The VERY FIRST Interview with Ian Huntley & Maxine Carr — Transcript

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1. 0:00So in this video, I'll be sharing with
2. 0:02you an incredible interview that was
3. 0:03conducted with the very first journalist
4. 0:06to approach both Ian Huntley and Maxine
5. 0:09Carr after Holly Wells and Jessica
6. 0:12Chapman's disappearance.
7. 0:15Now 4 days into the search for Holly and
8. 0:17Jessica, Brian Farmer of the Press
9. 0:19Association turned up unannounced at 5
10. 0:22College Close in Soham, home then to Ian
11. 0:25Huntley and Maxine Carr.
12. 0:28In this interview, Brian goes on to
13. 0:30describing great detail Huntley's
14. 0:32attempts at controlling the narrative,
15. 0:34Maxine Carr's false alibi, and the
16. 0:36general unease that Brian felt with Ian
17. 0:39Huntley's story. Take a listen to the
18. 0:42following.
19. 0:43I was the first person, not not through
20. 0:45any particular skill, just by a fluke
21. 0:48really. I was the first person to
22. 0:49interview Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr.
23. 0:52But But one of the sightings was um the
24. 0:55police said that the caretaker of Soham
25. 0:57Village College, which was the the
26. 0:59neighboring school to where the girls
27. 1:00went to. They went to the junior school
28. 1:02in Soham.
29. 1:03They said the caretaker had had seen
30. 1:06them outside his house. And And he at
31. 1:09that stage was thought to be the last
32. 1:10person to see them. So I decided that
33. 1:13the first thing I would do was go and
34. 1:15knock knock on the caretaker's door
35. 1:18for for two reasons really.
36. 1:20Um my logic would Sadly, I've covered
37. 1:22quite a lot of cases where children and
38. 1:25people have gone missing and been
39. 1:26murdered. My logic is that um
40. 1:29first of all, it's likely to be the the
41. 1:31person who's responsible for whatever
42. 1:33happened to Holly and Jessica. It's
43. 1:34likely to be someone local. It's someone
44. 1:36they know. It's not some wandering
45. 1:38monster who's arrived from outer space.
46. 1:41Uh uh uh um and it's probably a man. So
47. 1:44the last man to see them is probably a
48. 1:48the first person to go and speak to. And
49. 1:50And that's what we seem to know. So I um
50. 1:53I knew I didn't know anything about Ian
51. 1:56Huntley. I didn't know his name was Ian
52. 1:58Huntley. I don't recall seeing him
53. 2:00before and he had no idea that Maxine
54. 2:02Carr existed, but I simply wondered over
55. 2:05to where his house was and uh
56. 2:08knocked on the door.
57. 2:10Um Maxine Carr answered the door and I
58. 2:13remember Ian Huntley kind of poked his
59. 2:15head around
60. 2:16into the space um
61. 2:19I explained to Maxine Carr who I was. I
62. 2:21explained what the Press Association was
63. 2:24and uh I I asked if the caretaker was
64. 2:27there and Ian Huntley said that was him
65. 2:29and I asked if I could come in and just
66. 2:31have a chat.
67. 2:32Um I said, you know, it it it hopefully
68. 2:35what what you tell us about what you've
69. 2:37seen might help find the children.
70. 2:39Someone else might have seen you talking
71. 2:41to them.
72. 2:42Um it it it can only help. Then the
73. 2:45first strange
74. 2:46thing
75. 2:47>> Can I ask a question? Um what what while
76. 2:49while you're getting into this? So so
77. 2:52you walked into this house um and and
78. 2:57you know, when you looked at the
79. 2:58demeanor of these people, their their
80. 3:01approaches,
81. 3:03you've been around the block a few
82. 3:04times.
83. 3:06Um was there anything there that was
84. 3:07ringing alarm bells or or or did it just
85. 3:10seem like you know, a normal day?
86. 3:12And then the the first strange thing was
87. 3:14in my experience of covering stories
88. 3:16where children are missing.
89. 3:18Now, people might hate journalists and
90. 3:20not like journalists. That's quite
91. 3:21common and not want to We don't want to
92. 3:23talk to the press and so on, but when
93. 3:24children are missing in my experience,
94. 3:26people will normally help because they
95. 3:28understand that talking to journalists
96. 3:30and publicity might help find them.
97. 3:32But But Huntley and Carr were were a bit
98. 3:34reluctant and that struck me as a bit
99. 3:36odd. They didn't want to talk to the
100. 3:37press and they were were private people
101. 3:40and all that kind of stuff. So I had to
102. 3:42use a little bit of
103. 3:44soft soap and persuasion to persuade
104. 3:46them to let me in. And that surprised
105. 3:48me. I mean, I'm not saying it made me
106. 3:50think that
107. 3:51they're the killers or anything, but it
108. 3:52surprised me. But anyway, I'm I'm I
109. 3:55persuaded them to let me in and we sat
110. 3:56down
111. 3:58um in the in the living room. And the
112. 4:00first thing that I learned that um
113. 4:04I didn't know was that Maxine Carr had
114. 4:06been a
115. 4:07a classroom assistant at Holly and
116. 4:09Jessica's school.
117. 4:11She'd worked there for a year, I think
118. 4:12it was, and she she'd left
119. 4:14just a few weeks ago at the end of the
120. 4:16term.
121. 4:17So, we started off before asking Huntley
122. 4:19and Maxine about what he'd seen,
123. 4:22we're asking I was asking Maxine Carr
124. 4:24about what she knew about the girls. The
125. 4:25girls had made her a card on the day she
126. 4:27left. She showed us the card.
127. 4:29And the first strange thing that
128. 4:31happened was that I asked Maxine Carr if
129. 4:33at the school they'd done stranger
130. 4:35danger, you know, talking about don't
131. 4:37don't go away with strangers.
132. 4:39>> [snorts]
133. 4:39>> And she said, "Yes, they had." And I
134. 4:40asked Maxine Carr from her knowledge of
135. 4:43Holly and Jessica, "What
136. 4:45how did she think they'd react if, for
137. 4:47example, a man pulled up in a car and
138. 4:49said, 'Getting girls, I'll give you a
139. 4:51lift.'" And the first odd thing was was
140. 4:53that Ian Huntley answered the question
141. 4:55in a kind of emotional, upset,
142. 4:58excitable way. And and he said, "Well,
143. 5:02Jess Holly would get into the car, I
144. 5:04think, but Jessica wouldn't. She'd put
145. 5:06up a fight. She'd go mad." And and the
146. 5:08and the first thing that struck me there
147. 5:10was, "Well,
148. 5:11how could he know that? He's the
149. 5:13caretaker of another school they don't
150. 5:15go to." I mean,
151. 5:16uh uh if you asked how my daughter might
152. 5:18react to it, I I might have a rough idea
153. 5:21how my daughter might react, but Roy
154. 5:23wouldn't have any idea. So, the first
155. 5:25thing that struck me strange was, "Well,
156. 5:27how could he how could he know?"
157. 5:29So, I then switched my attention to him
158. 5:31and started asking him a little bit of a
159. 5:34about what he thought the girls would
160. 5:35react. And and then we started to talk
161. 5:37to him about
162. 5:38what had happened on the Sunday when
163. 5:40he'd seen them. And
164. 5:42what he said was was that um
165. 5:44him and Maxine had been out for a walk
166. 5:47with their dog. I I don't know if you
167. 5:48remember, but they had a an Alsatian
168. 5:51dog. She was called Sadie. She was a
169. 5:53great big Alsatian dog and she had very
170. 5:55long hair. She was quite furry.
171. 5:58And Huntley said they'd been out for a
172. 5:59walk in the afternoon. The dog had gone
173. 6:01in a stream or something and got wet and
174. 6:03muddy. They'd got a bit wet and muddy.
175. 6:05So, when they got back,
176. 6:07Maxine had gone inside to have a bath
177. 6:10and he taken the dog outside onto the
178. 6:12sort of quadrangle, the the public area
179. 6:15outside.
180. 6:16And he got a bucket and a hose and soap
181. 6:18and he got soap on the dog and hosing it
182. 6:21and washing it and so on. And at this
183. 6:23stage he said Holly and Jessica had come
184. 6:25wandering along in their Manchester
185. 6:26United shirts as they were having their
186. 6:29walk around the village
187. 6:31on a Sunday afternoon. I asked him what
188. 6:32they'd said and he said they'd asked how
189. 6:34Miss Carr was and had she got another
190. 6:37job and that kind of thing.
191. 6:39I said, "What else, you know?" And he
192. 6:41said, "Oh, nothing else." And I said,
193. 6:42"Go through word for word what you said
194. 6:44and they said." And he said, "Well, they
195. 6:46just asked how Miss Carr was."
196. 6:48I must have gone through it with him
197. 6:50I don't know, four or five times. What
198. 6:52struck me as odd was was it's not what
199. 6:53they'd said, it's what they haven't
200. 6:55said. I couldn't really believe that
201. 6:57there were two 10-year-old girls on
202. 6:59earth who on a sunny August afternoon
203. 7:01wouldn't see a man washing a big hairy
204. 7:04dog with soap and water who wouldn't be
205. 7:06overcome by the dog. They'd say, "Well,
206. 7:08well, that dog's so cute, aren't they?"
207. 7:09Don't you They never seemed to notice
208. 7:11the dog.
209. 7:12And I didn't I didn't believe him. I
210. 7:14didn't think that could be true.
211. 7:17Um and then then the next thing was I I
212. 7:20I started to think that from what he'd
213. 7:22said there was something not right here.
214. 7:24So, I
215. 7:25I rang our photographer who wasn't
216. 7:26there.
217. 7:27And he came to the house. Um Maxine Carr
218. 7:31posed with this card that um
219. 7:33that the girls had bought her and was
220. 7:35happy to pose. And then we said to to
221. 7:37Huntley, "Would you be photographed and
222. 7:39so on?"
223. 7:40And we said it might help find the
224. 7:42girls. and he he was adamant he wouldn't
225. 7:44be photographed. He got quite angry and
226. 7:46aggressive and wouldn't be photographed.
227. 7:47And he said the strange thing, he said,
228. 7:49"Even my mother doesn't have a
229. 7:51photograph of me." Well, in my
230. 7:53experience, if people don't want to be
231. 7:55photographed, it's because they realize
232. 7:57that if someone sees their photograph,
233. 7:59they'll recognize them. The The woman
234. 8:01they left behind will see them or
235. 8:04or the man they don't know.
236. 8:05Um
237. 8:06So, um he wouldn't have his photograph
238. 8:09taken. We couldn't force him to or pin
239. 8:11him down or anything. So, we we left the
240. 8:13house.
241. 8:14And then, um I uh the the photographer
242. 8:17had to go off to do something else. So,
243. 8:19I um
244. 8:20sat at I parked my car across from his
245. 8:22house and I had a little plastic camera
246. 8:25and I was thinking we've got to
247. 8:26photograph him. Not photograph him
248. 8:28because
249. 8:29uh I was thinking that the police will
250. 8:31be there to arrest him. So, we we'll
251. 8:33need a photograph
252. 8:35when he's arrested. Um And anyway, after
253. 8:38sitting there for half an hour or
254. 8:39something, a local newspaper
255. 8:41photographer I knew got got well called
256. 8:43called Helen
257. 8:44and she climbed into the passenger seat
258. 8:47with a
259. 8:48with a box of cheese and onion
260. 8:49sandwiches and a flask of coffee and
261. 8:51said, "Can I come and sit and eat my
262. 8:52lunch with you?" And I said, "You You
263. 8:54sure can. You can give me a sandwich and
264. 8:56get your camera out. And if anybody
265. 8:58comes out of that house, you photograph
266. 8:59them." And Huntley came out and that's
267. 9:01the photograph
268. 9:03of him famous photograph of him sitting
269. 9:05in the car and in the window behind is
270. 9:07the is is the local newspapers picture.
271. 9:10And I think that was the only picture
272. 9:11taken.
273. 9:13And one interesting thing about the
274. 9:15photograph is that
275. 9:17Huntley was arrested the following week.
276. 9:19So, we published the photograph the the
277. 9:21following week to say this is the man
278. 9:22who's been arrested.
279. 9:24And it [snorts] wasn't a particularly
280. 9:25None of the photographers who looked at
281. 9:27it thought it was a particularly good
282. 9:27photograph. But
283. 9:30I I've got two brothers. As Roy said,
284. 9:31one used to play for Stoke. But the the
285. 9:33other one was a quite a senior detective
286. 9:35and he'd not long
287. 9:37um retired. And he rang me up when he
288. 9:40saw the photograph in the newspapers and
289. 9:42said what a fascinating photographer. I
290. 9:44think you've got the right man, Brian.
291. 9:46What he'd seen in the photograph was not
292. 9:48Huntley. He'd seen the tires on the car.
293. 9:51He noticed that you could see three
294. 9:52tires on Huntley's old car and all three
295. 9:55of those tires were brand new. And his
296. 9:57question was
297. 9:59why is a caretaker got three new tires
298. 10:01on an old car? He's probably got four
299. 10:03new tires on an old car.
300. 10:05He's got four new tires on an old car
301. 10:07because the tires he had on Sunday are
302. 10:09covered in mud from where he deposited
303. 10:11the bodies. And that was true. The
304. 10:13picture played a part in the trial. I
305. 10:16rang the police or my brother told me to
306. 10:18ring the police and ask if they were
307. 10:19checking tire places.
308. 10:22They were indeed. Later that day they
309. 10:23found the old tires at the tire place.
310. 10:25And I'm not sure that
311. 10:29I did anything particularly unusual. I I
312. 10:31think I think that if if if I did
313. 10:33anything well when I was interviewing
314. 10:35him,
315. 10:36I think it wasn't that I
316. 10:38asked questions. I think it was that I
317. 10:40listened. I've always been a I've always
318. 10:43been of the view and I've always been
319. 10:44trained
320. 10:46that
321. 10:47when you interview someone,
322. 10:49the most important thing is not the
323. 10:51questions you ask, it's the way you
324. 10:53listen to their answers.
325. 10:55Oddly, one of one of the most difficult
326. 10:57things I've always found and this will
327. 10:58sound silly cuz I've been a journalist
328. 11:00forever. But one of the most difficult
329. 11:01things I've always found to do
330. 11:04is to ask someone questions and take a
331. 11:06note because it's very hard to listen to
332. 11:08what they're saying while you're writing
333. 11:10down a note. So I've always developed a
334. 11:12technique of not taking a note,
335. 11:15of listening to what they're saying, and
336. 11:17then if they say something interesting,
337. 11:18then in Colombo kind of style to say,
338. 11:21"Oh,
339. 11:22do you just mind if I take a note of
340. 11:24that so I can remember?" And it's very
341. 11:26hard, but if you don't listen,
342. 11:30>> And
343. 11:31you're not giving yourself time to
344. 11:33evaluate what you said. So, it might
345. 11:35have been that when he and Huntley said,
346. 11:38you know,
347. 11:39the
348. 11:40Holly would have reacted like that and
349. 11:41Jessica like that. I I could have just
350. 11:43written it down and gone and reported
351. 11:45it.
352. 11:46But but I think the key to it was
353. 11:47listening to it and thinking about it.
354. 11:50It made me realize that well,
355. 11:52what what he had said couldn't possibly
356. 11:54be right, could it? Cuz he couldn't It's
357. 11:56It's simply impossible for him to know
358. 12:00how they would have reacted. It's It's
359. 12:01impossible.
360. 12:02And and likewise with the dog, I could
361. 12:04have simply written down that that's
362. 12:06what they'd said. But
363. 12:08but it didn't It's just not right, is
364. 12:10it? No girls would react like that. So,
365. 12:11I think if anything, the key It It It is
366. 12:14is listening. I was all I was always
367. 12:16taught and I was on a weekly paper that
368. 12:19when journalists ask questions, they're
369. 12:20not guard dogs. We don't snap at people
370. 12:23and pin them down. What we are are sheep
371. 12:26dogs. We want to guide our interviewee
372. 12:29from one corner of a field to the other
373. 12:31corner of a field.
374. 12:32We don't mind if they ramble on the way.
375. 12:34We don't mind if they start telling us
376. 12:36about what their neighbor did or where
377. 12:38their wife went yesterday because when
378. 12:40they ramble, sometimes they tell you
379. 12:42little gems of information that you
380. 12:44couldn't possibly know to ask. So, all
381. 12:46you do is gently They start talking too
382. 12:49much about what their wife did at the
383. 12:51gym, you just gently nudge them back in
384. 12:53the But you must always let them ramble
385. 12:55and and let them listen and and evaluate
386. 12:59and think about what they say. So, I
387. 13:00think if I did anything well,
388. 13:02it's probably that I listened to what
389. 13:05Ian Huntley said and had a good think
390. 13:06about it. The The great irony is that
391. 13:09Maxine Carr didn't say anything to me
392. 13:12that seemed unlikely. She described how
393. 13:14they'd had Sunday lunch and gone for a
394. 13:15walk.
395. 13:17But the truth was that Maxine Carr
396. 13:18wasn't even in the house. Every word she
397. 13:20said was a lie.
398. 13:22She wasn't even there on that Sunday.
399. 13:24She was in Lincolnshire at a party or
400. 13:26something. Well,
401. 13:28but [snorts] but it was only what Ian
402. 13:29said that made me think that well, I
403. 13:32don't think he's telling the truth. And
404. 13:33then it made me think well, if he's not
405. 13:35telling the truth, she must know he's
406. 13:37not telling the truth. So, I'm not sure
407. 13:38that he's telling the truth. And in
408. 13:41terms of what I did with the
409. 13:42information, obviously wrote stories
410. 13:44about
411. 13:45we went and wrote a story about what
412. 13:46Maxine Carr had said and and what
413. 13:48Huntley had said.
414. 13:49But after we'd done that and after we
415. 13:51got a photograph, I rang my brother, my
416. 13:53policeman brother, told him
417. 13:56what Huntley had said, told him how I
418. 13:57thought it was so strange what he'd
419. 13:59said.
420. 14:00And my brother who'd been retired My
421. 14:02brother was a the chief superintendent.
422. 14:04He was a detective for most of his time
423. 14:06in Cheshire.
424. 14:07And um
425. 14:08he he said I simply had to ring
426. 14:10Cambridgeshire police straight away and
427. 14:11let them know. He said if he'd been
428. 14:13there, there would have been grounds for
429. 14:14arrest. When you was sort of
430. 14:18getting this feedback and and and you
431. 14:20was coming to the conclusion that that
432. 14:22Ian was lying,
433. 14:24uh Ian only was lying. What what was
434. 14:26going on? I mean, you know,
435. 14:29how was you I mean, was you nervous? Was
436. 14:32you I mean, how did you feel when when
437. 14:34when you knew something was lying? You
438. 14:36must have been thinking, this person in
439. 14:38front of me
440. 14:40very probably murdered two little girls.
441. 14:44And I mean, what was your instinct?
442. 14:47Excuse me. No I wasn't thinking like
443. 14:49that. I'm a reporter. So, so
444. 14:52the first thought is is when we're
445. 14:56when we're covering stories about
446. 14:58missing children or missing people,
447. 15:00the first thought is that what we want
448. 15:02to have are photographs of people who
449. 15:04are arrested. So, my first thought
450. 15:07wasn't anything like that. I know most
451. 15:09people would think it would be like
452. 15:10that, but but but I'm a reporter and
453. 15:14every day all I do are sad things. I do
454. 15:16horrible things all the time.
455. 15:19The the the sort of horror the viewer
456. 15:21would see, journalists when they're
457. 15:23working don't see. You're You're
458. 15:24concentrating on the on the work in
459. 15:27front of you. So, my first thought as he
460. 15:28was saying it, I wasn't thinking I've
461. 15:31caught the killer or anything like that.
462. 15:33I was thinking that
463. 15:34he must be a suspect. There's a chance
464. 15:37he's going to be arrested.
465. 15:39We need to make sure I've got a a proper
466. 15:42note of everything he said. And we need
467. 15:45to make sure we've got a photograph of
468. 15:46him because if he's arrested, no one
469. 15:48else will have a photograph of him. We
470. 15:50need to make sure. So, that was what was
471. 15:51in my mind. That's the
472. 15:53It It I know it's it sounds strange
473. 15:55because you watch these things on
474. 15:57television and it's horrifying and and
475. 15:59when I watch it on television, it's
476. 16:00horrifying, too. But when you're
477. 16:02working, you're just concentrating on
478. 16:04one thing at a time, one step at a time.
479. 16:07You've got to be there. You You haven't
480. 16:08got time really to sit back and think
481. 16:11and I've covered
482. 16:12some horrific things, you know,
483. 16:14Hillsborough and things like that. But
484. 16:16you're not sitting there looking at it
485. 16:17in the in a big picture. You're sitting
486. 16:20one step at a time, just trying to do
487. 16:22your job because if journalists do their
488. 16:24job professionally one step at a time,
489. 16:26then in the long run
490. 16:28everyone should benefit. You You haven't
491. 16:29really got time to be sitting there
492. 16:31thinking, well,
493. 16:33my goodness, this might be a murderer.
494. 16:35You You
495. 16:35You can't I met lots of murderers and so
496. 16:37on. I mean,
497. 16:39since it's happened and sometimes in the
498. 16:42you know, the still of the night when I
499. 16:43think about it, I think he probably what
500. 16:45he said about how Holly and Jessica
501. 16:47would react was probably exactly how
502. 16:50Holly and Jessica did react. He probably
503. 16:52at that moment was telling the truth.
504. 16:54And [snorts] that when they came into
505. 16:55the house and whatever he did,
506. 16:58that's exactly what happened and and it
507. 17:00happened in that house while I was
508. 17:02there. But I thought about that since.
509. 17:04But at the time,
510. 17:06I wasn't thinking like that. I was just
511. 17:08really thinking we need to make sure
512. 17:10we've got a photograph of him. Uh and I
513. 17:12I need to make sure I get out of him as
514. 17:14much information as I can and get it
515. 17:16written down cuz at some point it'll be
516. 17:17useful. I mean, obviously then
517. 17:19we would we weren't writing stories
518. 17:21saying that he's a suspect or he's done
519. 17:23it. It was too we didn't You can't write
520. 17:25anything like that, you know.
521. 17:27It It was just a matter of waiting until
522. 17:29he was arrested, sort of thing. I I I
523. 17:31did, you know, it took about a week for
524. 17:32them to arrest him, you know.
525. 17:35So, there you go. The other odd thing
526. 17:36about Huntley, which I don't know if you
527. 17:38read about, that
528. 17:39So, so that happened at about I
529. 17:41interviewed him at about
530. 17:44half past 11, 12 o'clock midday on the
531. 17:47um
532. 17:48on the Thursday after they disappeared,
533. 17:50which would have been the 8th. So, the
534. 17:51other strange thing that happened was
535. 17:53that at about 6:00 on that day, on
536. 17:56Thursday the 8th,
537. 17:58the local BBC were doing one of those
538. 18:00live interviews outside the school, you
539. 18:02know, where they have a reporter
540. 18:04standing outside saying, you know, like
541. 18:07like like the day's today, sort of
542. 18:09thing.
543. 18:10And
544. 18:11the reporter was standing out there with
545. 18:13a with one of the producers and the
546. 18:15cameraman was all set up outside and a
547. 18:18few people was were standing watching
548. 18:21the excitement of watching BBC look at
549. 18:24do the footage.
550. 18:25And there was a a BBC producer there
551. 18:28called Debbie Tubby, who's a
552. 18:30mate of mine, she still works at the
553. 18:31BBC.
554. 18:33And they were waiting for a call from
555. 18:35the newsroom to say the 6:00 news had
556. 18:37finished.
557. 18:39We're on, it's half past six. It was
558. 18:40about
559. 18:4125 past six and her phone rang.
560. 18:45And and it was some mundane call. It was
561. 18:47her mother ringing to say that, you
562. 18:49know, she'd
563. 18:51washed her blouse and turned it pink or
564. 18:53something mundane. And she said into the
565. 18:56phone, "Really?" like that. And Ian
566. 18:59Huntley was standing watching the
567. 19:01filming and standing near her.
568. 19:03And when she when she put put her phone
569. 19:05down and put her phone in her pocket, he
570. 19:08said to her, "Have they found the the
571. 19:10clothes?"
572. 19:12And she looked at him and said, "Who are
573. 19:13you?" And he said, "Oh, I'm Ian Huntley,
574. 19:14the caretaker." And she said, "What did
575. 19:16you just sorry say?"
576. 19:17"Have they found the girls' clothes?"
577. 19:19She said, "Yeah, they found the girls'
578. 19:20clothes." Now, she then rang the police
579. 19:22and said,
580. 19:23"This is very strange. This man called
581. 19:25Ian Huntley was standing next to me, and
582. 19:26he heard me say really on the phone.
583. 19:29And he's just asked me if they've found
584. 19:30the girls' clothes."
585. 19:31"Well, how does he know the girls
586. 19:32haven't got their clothes on them?
587. 19:35How does he know the girls' clothes have
588. 19:37become separated from them?"
589. 19:39So, oddly, on the same day, two
590. 19:41journalists rang the police to say that
591. 19:43Huntley
592. 19:45was saying strange things
593. 19:47that I've never come across before. And
594. 19:48I didn't know she'd rung the police at
595. 19:50that. I'd found out a day or two later,
596. 19:52and she didn't know I had.