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0:03This video is going to tell you about
0:05how it all went down. The details and
0:08the facts.
0:11Woman who had an affair with Chris Watts
0:14told our partners at the Denver Post
0:15that she hardly knew anything about
0:17Shannan and that she had only recently
0:19started a relationship with Chris. Well,
0:22there is now evidence to suggest that
0:23she knew about Shannan almost a year
0:25before the murders.
0:28Hi.
0:28>> Nicole later talked to police.
0:30>> And then one day he told me that he had
0:32two kids.
0:32>> Hi Bill.
0:34>> I was like, "That's pretty cool." And
0:37started telling me about his kids.
0:38>> That sounded like a sarcastic comment.
0:39>> No, I thought it was kind of cute. I was
0:41like, "Oh, he's a dad." It was like
0:43right around Father's Day, too.
0:46>> She learned he was married even though
0:48she says he didn't wear a wedding ring.
0:51>> The other woman claims she met Watts in
0:53June. She says she thought Watts was at
0:55the end of his divorce proceedings.
0:57>> I didn't know his significant other's
0:58name for a while.
0:59>> Uh, he's
1:01>> Do you know her name at this point?
1:02>> Yeah.
1:03>> Okay. Are you okay saying her name?
1:06>> It's Shenan.
1:08>> This video is going to be taking a look
1:09at the critical days leading up to the
1:11murders of pregnant Shenan Watts and her
1:13daughters Bella and Celeste Watts on
1:15August 13th, 2018.
1:18We will be looking at the week before
1:20the murders, paying particular attention
1:21to the days when Chris Watts spent time
1:24with his mistress on Wednesday, August
1:268th and Saturday, August 11, and some
1:29very curious facts about both Chris
1:32Watts and Nicole Kessinger on Friday,
1:35August 10th, and Sunday, August 12th,
1:38which of course was the eve of the
1:40murders. and what those days mean in
1:44regards to determining the role Nicole
1:47Kessinger may have played in the
1:49ultimate outcome of this horrific
1:51tragedy. And we will also be taking a
1:54look exclusive to this video at Shannan
1:56Watt's final Facebook post. These
1:59seemingly benign posts were removed from
2:02Shnan Watt's Facebook account and
2:05attempted to be scrubbed from the
2:07internet shortly after this tragedy
2:09happened. when you read the post and
2:12consider the whole picture, including
2:15Chris Watt's relationship with his wife
2:17and his mistress and particularly the
2:20known events
2:22that occurred in the week leading up to
2:24this tragedy.
2:26He might have some ideas why those posts
2:29were removed, and I'd like to know what
2:31yours are.
2:33>> The decision was made about 4 days ago.
2:35the decision to take the death penalty
2:37off the table in exchange for
2:39Christopher Watt's guilty plea to all
2:41nine counts he was originally charged
2:43with, including first-degree murder,
2:45first-degree murder of a child under 12,
2:47tampering with a deceased body, and
2:49unlawful termination of a pregnancy. The
2:52Watts family murders. This is
2:54undoubtedly one of the most horrific
2:56crime stories of our era. Over 5 years
3:00has passed and with each passing year,
3:03with each passing day, nothing about
3:05this case becomes more clear. Looking
3:08back on the investigation of this case
3:10and the prosecution of Chris Watts, you
3:12have to ask yourself, was anything ever
3:15meant to be clear? Was justice ever
3:18meant to be achieved?
3:22Chris Watts took the lives of of his
3:25wife who was 15 weeks pregnant, his
3:28four-year-old daughter Bella Watts, his
3:30three-year-old daughter Cece Watts.
3:32>> So, I'm here with my little munchkins,
3:36>> and the unborn baby that was going to be
3:39his very first son, baby Nico Watts.
3:49[Music]
3:57A good girl.
4:02>> Oh, I love it. Good job.
4:05>> High five.
4:05>> High five, baby.
4:07>> I want her. Don't kick her away.
4:13>> The murder of a pregnant woman.
4:17a three-year-old and four-year-old baby.
4:20And the way that the bodies were
4:22disposed of, it's absolutely
4:26egregious. There really aren't words
4:28that can describe how horrific this
4:30crime was. This is the kind of crime
4:33that causes us to put faith in the
4:35justice system and the prosecutor's
4:37office. Because after all, what more
4:40horrific crime could be committed than
4:43this?
4:44This is a kind of crime where if you
4:46give a crap about justice, you are going
4:49to make sure that anybody involved in
4:52committing this crime is discovered,
4:55charged, and prosecuted to the fullest
4:58extent of the law. Bella, will you tell
5:02everyone how old you're going to be?
5:04>> We
5:09unless of course you are the Weld County
5:11District Attorney, Michael J. Ror,
5:15>> stop asking about it. She didn't have
5:17anything to do with it. She wasn't there
5:18that morning. She voluntarily cooperated
5:21with law enforcement. She provided us
5:23all the information. I'm not going to
5:25tell you where she's at. Stop. Leave me
5:27alone.
5:29>> That was District Attorney Ror
5:31commenting on Nicole Kessinger in March
5:35of 2023. the Let's see what DA Ror had
5:39to say about Chris Watt's mistress after
5:43his sentencing in November of 2018.
5:47>> Can you give us a better uh idea of her
5:49role in the investigation, how
5:50forthcoming she was and how she helped.
5:53>> She originally came forward and and
5:56spoke to investigators on her own
5:58valition.
5:59Prior to the time, unfortunately, that
6:01she came in and spoke with
6:02investigators, she had deleted all of
6:04the information off of her phone that
6:06had any connection between her and Chris
6:08Watts. That hampered the investigation.
6:10Um, that hampered our ability to get
6:13that electronic digital um connection
6:15between the two. She was interviewed on
6:18multiple occasions. I believe that for
6:21the most part, she was forthcoming. It's
6:23clear that there are some major
6:24discrepancies between what District
6:26Attorney Ror said in 2018 after the
6:28sentencing and then what he said most
6:31recently and his wife's podcast in March
6:34of 20123.
6:36In his most recent recollection, he says
6:40that she came forth voluntarily and she
6:43was forthcoming with the information
6:45that she gave to investigators.
6:47Yet, in 2018, after Chris Watt's
6:49sentencing, he said that she hampered
6:53the investigation by not giving
6:55investigators all of the information.
6:58And then he says that he believes that
7:01she was forthcoming
7:03for the most part.
7:05Very different statements, work. We know
7:08the truth about Nicole Kessinger, and we
7:10know which of his statements is the
7:13accurate one, the 2018 statement or the
7:152023 statement. And the accurate
7:18statement is the 2018 statement and it's
7:20an understatement because we know Nicole
7:23Kessinger obstructed justice by
7:26destroying evidence. We know this
7:29hampered the investigation and we know
7:31that she was absolutely completely not
7:35at all forthcoming with investigators
7:39and we the public are left with far more
7:43questions than answers. And that's where
7:46we pick up here. This video seeks to
7:48answer the question, was there an
7:50ultimatum? Did Chris Watts mistress
7:52Nicole Kessinger give him an ultimatum?
7:55It's me or your family? According to
7:57Chris Watts in his jail house interview
7:59from February 2019, that Saturday,
8:02August 11th, the day of his date with
8:05Nicole Kessinger at the Lazy Dog
8:07restaurant, was pivotal. Listen to what
8:09he says about his feelings about that
8:13evening he spent out with Nicole
8:15Kessinger and if things could have
8:17ultimately have gone differently.
8:21Even I felt like you know like looking
8:24back at everything like just like
8:26reading the scripture more and more now
8:27I can see like you know God told like
8:29gave me opportunities to get out like
8:33even my friend Jeremy Lynro he even
8:35invited me because like it was his
8:37daughter that came watch the kids on
8:39Saturday that Saturday night and he was
8:42like hey we're going to Rocky game you
8:44want to go to New Bronco game and watch
8:46the Arizona Cardinal like in my mind it
8:48was like you
8:50go.
8:51>> Just Yeah. Just just say, "Hey, I I
8:53can't can't find a babysitter."
8:57>> Nikki.
8:57>> Yeah. And maybe that would have been
8:59like, you know, you know, like a light
9:02switch on my head goes off. Light switch
9:03in her head goes off. Maybe it just like
9:05goes different directions. That was kind
9:08of like my last like opportunity to kind
9:10of get out.
9:13Listening to that excerpt of his
9:15interview from prison begs the question,
9:17why did he feel that was his last
9:19opportunity to get out? Let's take a
9:22closer look at that week before the
9:24tragedy, paying particular attention to
9:26the days when Chris Watts and his
9:28mistress Nicole Kessinger spent time
9:30together.
9:42I just I really wanted them to fix it. I
9:45would have just like left the situation.
9:48>> So tell me why him Shenan calling a
9:50realtor and him mentioning that they
9:53were going to be divorced.
9:55>> Why why do you think it's important?
9:57>> Um because so after that he was like
10:00she's the one who called the realtor.
10:02And I remember I was like damn that was
10:04fast. cuz I knew he told me like we were
10:06going to put the house up, but they said
10:08he was like we didn't know how much to
10:10offer for it and we were kind of trying
10:11to find somebody and it like so for the
10:14first few weeks that I hung out with
10:15him, he kind of like dragged his feet
10:17on, hey, this is happening. And then
10:19after North Carolina, he's like, "Yeah,
10:21she wants to put the house up. She's on
10:23the call the realtor." And I was like
10:25kind of taken back, not necessarily at
10:26the speed of it given how long he said
10:29that they'd been separating, but the
10:30fact that she did it like the day after
10:33he supposedly sat down and had a
10:35conversation with her about, hey, do we
10:37fix this or do we not fix this
10:39relationship?
10:40>> If you are all familiar with Watts case,
10:42you know, like me, that there's a
10:44snowballs chance in hell that Chris
10:46Watts and Shannan Watts had a sitdown
10:48conversation while they were together in
10:50North Carolina. When Chris Watts came
10:53out to visit for the last week of
10:55Shannan, Bella, and Celeste solo trip
10:57across the country to North Carolina for
11:00a six-w weekek visit in the summer of
11:032018 just before Chris Watts, perhaps
11:07with the help of another, annihilated
11:09his family. Shannan Watt's best friend,
11:11Christina Mechum, learned what was
11:13really going on between Shannan and
11:15Chris in North Carolina.
11:18>> She sent me a picture. It's like this is
11:20how we are right now. They were in the
11:23same room but communicating through
11:26text. They were not talking with each
11:28other.
11:30>> So, do you remember how many days she
11:32was back in Colorado before leaving?
11:35>> Mhm.
11:35>> Do you know that?
11:36>> Cuz I don't remember when they got home.
11:38>> Right.
11:39>> I don't cuz I don't remember when they
11:41got home.
11:42>> Right.
11:43>> I don't. Miss Kessinger states that she
11:45doesn't remember when the Watts family
11:47altogether arrived home from North
11:49Carolina back to Frederick, Colorado.
11:52This is an absolute lie. And I'm going
11:55to show you how we know this in just a
11:57moment.
11:58This is a lie that must somehow be
12:02important to Miss Kessinger as she
12:05repeats this lie across several
12:08different interviews. Let's listen to
12:10what she had to say in the August 16th
12:13interview, the one with Kevin Kobach,
12:16also in person, her first inerson
12:17interview with him, where her dad is
12:19present.
12:21This excerpt from the interview occurs
12:24immediately after she denies that she
12:27knew that Shannan Watts was pregnant
12:30until the Tuesday after the murders. The
12:32day after the murders when she was
12:34reading the newspaper, remember? And we
12:36know that is a lie, too. take a listen.
12:40>> Um, all right. We can move past that.
12:44Um, the
12:47week that he comes back from North
12:49Carolina. You You don't remember?
12:50Somewhere in the first couple weeks of
12:51August.
12:52>> Yeah, I think it was the second week,
12:53but I don't remember off the top of my
12:54head.
12:54>> Keep in mind, this interview takes place
12:56on August 16th. The day the Watts family
13:00returned home from North Carolina was
13:03the evening of the 7th. So their first
13:07full day home back in Frederick,
13:10Colorado was August 8th, just 8 days
13:14before this interview.
13:16>> So we'll just use August as a time
13:19frame. Is that fair? Because you know he
13:21left in July and he comes back in
13:23August. How many times do you think you
13:25see him?
13:26>> I saw him a few times. I saw him this
13:28past Saturday. I saw him the Wednesday
13:31before that. And he wanted to see me
13:33more. I was the one who wanted my space.
13:35I was like, "Nope, your kids are home.
13:37Go hang out with your kids." And even on
13:40Wednesday, I cut it short. Like, he came
13:41and hung out with me for a few hours and
13:43then I was like, "Go chill with your
13:45kids." So, Wednesday was the day after
13:48the family returned home from North
13:50Carolina. And that was a very eventful
13:53day for Nicole Kessinger and Chris
13:54Watts. I'm sure it was a day that she
13:58remembers there. A lot of important
13:59things happened. And that's why we know
14:01that she knows exactly when they got
14:03home from North Carolina.
14:06She says, "I also saw him this past
14:08Saturday, which was just four days ago
14:11from this interview. That was the
14:13evening when they went on their date to
14:15the Lazy Dog restaurant. Saturday the
14:1811th, just a day and a half before the
14:21Watts family was annihilated in the
14:23early morning hours of Monday, August
14:2613th, Lazy Dog Date Day." Over the
14:28years, many people have speculated that
14:31planning happened planning towards the
14:34murder of pregnant Shannan, Bella, and
14:37Celeste. At the Lazy Dog, the evening of
14:40Saturday, August 11th, between Nicole
14:43Kessinger and Chris Watson. Some people
14:45even believe there were others involved,
14:47like Leave Jim Alone, perhaps. Now,
14:49according to Nicole Kessinger, all they
14:51did on that date was talk about macros.
14:54And she also admits that there was a lot
14:56of talk about Chris Watts moving into
14:59his new apartment. An event that was
15:02surely significant in the mind of Nicole
15:04Kessinger as Chris moving out of his
15:06house with his family and into an
15:09apartment on his own would signify the
15:12official end of his marriage to Shannan
15:15and the official beginning of his new
15:17life together with his mistress. What
15:20was said that evening at the lazy dog is
15:23a critical part of Nicole Kessinger's
15:25ultimatum and we will get to the details
15:29on what that was after we review what
15:33happened on the Wednesday when the
15:35couple were together. But Nicole
15:37Kassinger certainly would not have
15:38forgotten so quickly.
15:40>> And even on Wednesday, I cut it short
15:42like he came and hung out with me for a
15:44few hours and then I was like go chill
15:46with your kids. So, in the time when
15:49Chris Watts returned home from North
15:51Carolina with his family, the evening of
15:53August 7th through the early morning of
15:57August 13th, when Shannan, Bella,
15:59Celeste, and Nico were murdered, Nicole
16:02saw Chris twice, she says, once on
16:04Wednesday and once on Saturday. Now,
16:07it's important to put their meeting on
16:10Wednesday in context. It's critical that
16:13we understand this. That Wednesday,
16:16August 8th, when Nicole Kessinger
16:18apparently cut it short, Chris Watts was
16:23home in Colorado with his family for the
16:26first time, the first time ever
16:29apparently in the history of their
16:30dating. According to them, on August
16:328th, he's there in Colorado. Nicole is
16:35there in Colorado. And for the first
16:37time, his wife and children are also
16:39home.
16:40That dynamic and that change in the
16:43environment that Chris and Nicole were
16:47living their fantasy relationship in
16:50must have caused a lot of pressure for
16:53each of them and for their relationship
16:55in general. It is important to note that
16:59Chris Watts was home with his family in
17:02Colorado again for the first time during
17:05the entire duration of his short six
17:08week relationship with Nicole Kessinger
17:11for just under a week before his family
17:15was annihilated. It's also important to
17:19note that Shenan was only home on that
17:23Wednesday and Thursday the 8th and the
17:269th before she left for a Thrive Lavel
17:30trip in Arizona at 4:30 a.m. early
17:33Friday morning. So that means
17:37during the relationship of Chris and
17:40Nicole, that six week long relationship,
17:43Bella and Celeste were only there in
17:46Colorado with them, so to speak, just
17:48under a week, and Shenan was only in
17:51town for 2 days. Knowing that makes
17:56statements that Nicole Kessinger said
17:58during her interviews with law
17:59enforcement so very curious. for
18:02example, this statement here
18:06>> because like he could pretty much call
18:08me whenever he wanted. Like I was the
18:10one that would tell him like, "Hey, when
18:11your kids are awake, you need to spend
18:12time with your kids. Like do that." And
18:14then after they go to bed, like if you
18:16want to talk to me, you can talk to me.
18:18But it was never like this super super
18:20restricted thing. Like sometimes
18:24like right after work if I was like
18:26still talking to him, I get kind of
18:27bummed out and I you know, I tell him
18:29just like, "Oh, it's frustrating
18:30sometimes like having to like wait." But
18:32at the same time, I was never like,
18:34"This is horrible." Or, you know, it was
18:36always like, "I should."
18:39>> So, now that we know that the girls were
18:41only in town for 6 days during Chris and
18:45Nikki's entire relationship, and Chanel
18:46was only in town for 2 days, and Chris
18:49went to Nicole Kessinger's apartment
18:52right after work on Wednesday the 8th.
18:55That means there were only two days that
18:59Thursday and Friday when Nicole
19:01Kessinger would have had to have waited
19:03for Chris to call her after work to get
19:06all frustrated. But wait a minute. Chris
19:10and Nicole both took that Friday off of
19:13work. Listen carefully to Nicole
19:15Kessinger's response to interviewer
19:17Kevin Kobach when he asks about what
19:20Chris Watts did on Sunday. She's being
19:22forgetful as usual, but pay careful
19:25attention to what she says.
19:27>> Do you know what he did Sunday during
19:29the day?
19:30>> Um,
19:33I don't know what I did on Sunday during
19:35the day. I am so tired. Let me just
19:38think about this. Daniel came over
19:39Friday. I hung out with him Saturday.
19:42And then Sunday,
19:47when did Jim come in?
19:50>> Monday. Huh?
19:52Jim got here Monday.
19:54What did I do on Sunday? I am like
19:58drawing a blank. I'm really tired. I
20:00don't know. Can I get back to you on
20:02that?
20:02>> It is absolutely no surprise that she
20:04cannot remember what she did on Sunday.
20:06After all, Sunday was the evening going
20:08into the early morning when the family
20:11annihilation happened. It's also the
20:14evening when the 111 minute phone call
20:17happened that neither Chris or Nicole
20:19Kessinger will reveal any details about.
20:22Of course, she doesn't ever remember
20:24anything about Sunday. But did you catch
20:27that? She said Danielle came over on
20:29Friday. I hung out with him on Saturday.
20:32Danielle Hel, her friend, was in town
20:34Friday evening and spent the night at
20:36her apartment Friday night. Maybe that's
20:39why she had taken Friday off. So the
20:4110th Oh, you went to you went to the
20:43Rockies game.
20:44>> Yeah.
20:45>> Okay.
20:45>> I didn't see him that day.
20:49>> I was with my friends and I stayed with
20:51me that night.
20:53>> So now let's listen to Troy McCoy
20:55talking about meeting Chris Watts on the
20:57afternoon of Friday, August 11th. This
20:59is when Chris Watts gave Troy McCoy his
21:02Fire Stick to try to jailbreak it. Do
21:04you remember Chris Watts was trying to
21:06save expenses of sports channels and he
21:09was going to try to watch his sports
21:10through the Amazon Fire Stick and that
21:12was the purpose of the meeting.
21:14>> Okay. So, let's let's cover some uh some
21:18timeline stuff here.
21:19>> Yes, sir.
21:19>> So, let's let's start with start with on
21:21Sunday. So, Sunday would be the 12th.
21:24>> Yes.
21:24>> Did you talk to Chris at all on the 12?
21:26>> I didn't speak to him over the weekend.
21:28I seen him on Friday.
21:28>> I seen him on Friday. So, that was the
21:29last time you saw him before the work
21:31week.
21:32>> Yes. Okay. I seen him on Friday and he
21:33taken off Friday to uh take Shannan to
21:36the airport for Phoenix.
21:37>> Okay.
21:38>> And then he told me he wanted me to look
21:40at his Fire Stick that he bought. I
21:41said, "Okay." So
21:42>> TV Fire Stick, Amazon Fire Stick.
21:44>> So before the work day ended on Friday,
21:47he told me that he'd meet me at the
21:49Safeway parking lot there in Fort Lton
21:51and uh he showed up in their Lexus and
21:53Bell and CC were in the back seat. So he
21:55jumped out, gave me the Fire Stick, and
21:57right after he gave me the Fire Stick,
21:59that's whenever Cody called. Cody
22:00Roberts, the operator of the server 319,
22:03and said that he thought there was a
22:04leak in the bypass line.
22:05>> That's on 319, you said?
22:07>> Yes, the service 319. Okay. Yeah.
22:08Because that bypass line is now locked
22:10and tagged out cuz we done that Monday
22:11morning.
22:12>> Okay. Oh, that's okay. So, Bella
22:15>> Bell and CC.
22:17>> Yeah.
22:18>> We're in the back seat.
22:19>> Yes, sir.
22:19>> And was was Shannan Shannan Shannan?
22:23>> No, sir.
22:23>> Was she taking her to the airport?
22:24>> You took her there? Yes. Do
22:25>> you remember about what time this was?
22:27Um, let me look back through my text
22:29messages I gave in because he told me he
22:31was point he was sitting by the uh 5.0.
22:33There was an orange Mustang sitting in
22:34the parking lot.
22:35>> Okay.
22:36>> I think it was one of the ladies that uh
22:38Well, it looked just like the one I used
22:39to have.
22:39>> Okay.
22:40>> Cuz I had a red one. I was telling you
22:41about that earlier.
22:42>> Yeah.
22:42>> So, and he's a huge Ford guy cuz he was
22:44a master mechanic for
22:45>> Yeah, I remember he said something about
22:46that.
22:47>> Sorry.
22:48>> No problem.
22:49>> Chris Watts. Okay. Okay. Thanks for your
22:53link. He just sent it there. Okay. Right
22:55here. It's at uh 3:05.
22:58>> Okay. Just whenever you send me the text
23:00message here, part
23:01>> Friday, August 10th, off of work because
23:05Chris Watts needed to take Shannan to
23:06the airport as Troy McCoy reported. We
23:09know that that is not the case. He did
23:11not take Shannan to the airport. Nicole
23:14Atinson picked Shannan up from her home
23:16around 4:30 a.m. That is a well-known
23:19and documented fact. and the girls were
23:22going to daycare or they had been going
23:26to daycare before they left for North
23:29Carolina. So, it makes sense that maybe
23:32Chris wouldn't want to take him that
23:33day, but he could have. So, we wonder
23:36why did Chris Watts take off that day.
23:39And again, we have no idea why Nicole
23:42Kessinger did not go to work that day.
23:44They both report that they did not see
23:46one another that day. Do you believe
23:48that's true? Leave a comment below
23:50letting us know what you think. Now, I'm
23:53not going to spend a whole lot of time
23:54on it, but many people have created
23:57theories about exactly what happened
24:00that created this tragedy that had to do
24:03with Chris Watts and Troy McCoy
24:06exchanging that fire stick. You see,
24:10their coworker Cody Roberts reported
24:12that there was a leak at Survey 319
24:15while Chris and Troy were meeting in
24:17that parking lot that Troy was talking
24:19about. The timing is kind of ironic.
24:23Now, many people bring up this fire
24:25stick as being something suspicious.
24:28People who are proponents of the
24:31so-called explosion theory, some of them
24:33say that perhaps the fire stick was used
24:35as a detonation device. I personally do
24:38not believe that is the case because I
24:40don't believe in any kind of explosion
24:42theory around this case. And Chris Watts
24:46talks about using the Fire Stick to
24:49watch sporting events with both Shenan
24:52and Nicole Kessinger. It makes sense
24:55that he might want to, you know, use
24:57that way of watching the sporting events
24:59that he really enjoyed. We know that
25:01that is true because we do know that
25:03Chris Watts and Shannan Watts were
25:05headed towards their second bankruptcy
25:07and Chris was aware the finances were
25:09pretty tight and those sporting event
25:13channels on cable are wicked expensive.
25:16So, it was really only one day. So that
25:19one day of Nicole Kessinger having to
25:22wait a little while for Chris Watts to
25:24call her after work because he was with
25:26his children must have made a real
25:29impression on her. But remember Nicole
25:33Kessinger cannot recall when Shannan and
25:36Chris
25:38got back from North Carolina even though
25:41it was just eight days prior to this
25:44August 16th interview. Hm.
25:48I wonder why she won't admit to knowing
25:51when they returned home.
25:55On that ever important Wednesday, August
25:578th, the first day the family was back
26:00in Colorado. He goes to work on that
26:03day. But right after work, we know from
26:04his Geotab information that he drives
26:07right over to Nicole Kzinger's apartment
26:09immediately after work. I always wonder
26:12how Chris Watts got away with this, so
26:14to speak. We know that he was a creature
26:17of habit, as was Shannan. Their family
26:20had a very strict routine, and Chris was
26:23generally home between 3:30 and 4. So, I
26:27wonder how Chris got away with going to
26:30Nicole Kessinger's house for hours after
26:32work on that very first day. They were
26:34home from North Carolina without Shannan
26:38giving him a hard time. So on that
26:40Wednesday, August 8th, the first full
26:43day the Watts family was home,
26:46he stays there until 6:00 p.m., which
26:49just gives him enough time to leave her
26:52apartment, go pick up Shannan, and
26:55arrive at the ultrasound appointment to
26:59find out the gender of the baby that was
27:00scheduled for 7:30 p.m. that evening.
27:03Now, Shannan Watts was over the moon
27:05because Chris agreed to attend that
27:09ultrasound appointment with her. We know
27:11that August 8th was a big day for
27:14Shannan Watts. It also turned out to be
27:17a critical day for the relationship of
27:19Nicole Kassinger and Chris Watts. Here's
27:23a brief summary of the many important
27:26events that happened on that day. I do
27:30want to note that I detailed all of the
27:32events of this very important day in the
27:35history of this tragedy in the original
27:38ultimatum video which is linked in the
27:40description below. All of Shenan's text
27:42messages between herself and her friends
27:44during the time when she was concerned
27:46about Chris's behavior and their
27:47relationship are documented in the
27:50investigative discovery. So, if Shannan
27:52was suspicious about what he was doing
27:54after work that day, she would certainly
27:57have discussed it with one of her
27:58friends, and it wouldn't have appeared
28:00in the discovery.
28:02Listen to her best friend, Christina
28:04Meechum, talking about the routine
28:06nature of Shannan Watt's personality and
28:09the Watts family's life. I mean, like
28:12when Nikki went by the house, things
28:15didn't make sense to me at all because
28:18it just he she she said routine. She
28:22said routine like she's OCD. She has
28:26everything in order. She um she
28:29literally has a plan for everything. Um
28:33she's not a person to derive from those
28:36plans, right? This is what she's going
28:38to do. This is what's going to happen.
28:39The kids have times they go to take
28:41naps. They, you know, things go a
28:43certain way. You know, she she has a
28:46routine. Even what she wears, even the
28:49flipflops that she wears um is a routine
28:52for her.
28:53>> I wonder what Chris told Shannan about
28:55what he was doing after work on that
28:57day. We know from the investigative
28:59discovery that just 2 minutes after
29:03arriving at Nicole Kessinger's
29:05apartment, he modified Shannan Watt's
29:08contact information in his phone. I have
29:10to surmise that he was changing the
29:13contact name so it didn't say Shannan
29:16Watts or whatever he called her in his
29:18contact list, but rather something else.
29:21Although we know that Nicole Kessinger
29:23knew that Shannan Watts was pregnant
29:25with Chris's child, I doubt that he
29:28wanted to tell his mistress that he had
29:31to leave at a certain time because he
29:33had to go check out to attend an
29:35ultrasound appointment with his wife to
29:39find out the sex of their baby to be.
29:42Uh, yeah, I don't think so. I'm pretty
29:45sure that's what he did. We know that he
29:47stays there for several hours at Nicole
29:50Kessinger's apartment and leaves right
29:53around 6:00. He stays just up until the
29:56time when he would need to leave to be
29:59able to go get Shenan and make it to the
30:01ultrasound appointment at 7:30 p.m. on
30:04time. So, he's there for about 3 hours.
30:08Also on that day, while Chris is at
30:12Nicole Kessinger's apartment, Nicole
30:14Kessinger gives Chris Watts a key to her
30:18apartment. One of the confessions that
30:20Chris Watts makes in his letters from
30:23Christopher, the compilation book by
30:26Charlene Kadel, is that when Nicole
30:28Kassinger gave him a key to her
30:30apartment, he felt like it made the
30:33relationship official, that she was very
30:36serious about him and their future
30:38together.
30:40Shortly after Chris Watts leaves Miss
30:42Kessinger's apartment that evening, Miss
30:45Kessinger googles for the first time
30:48something as explicit as this. This
30:51statement literally verbatim quote
30:54marrying your mistress. We certainly
30:58know what's on Nicole Kessinger's mind
31:01when Chris Watts leaves her apartment on
31:03that day.
31:04>> We also know on that day that Chris
31:07Watts deletes his Facebook account. We
31:09know this because Dave Bombhover asked
31:11him about this in the jailhouse
31:12interview. And also Shannan asked Chris
31:16about this through text and he and his
31:18father Ronnie also discuss the deletion
31:21of his Facebook account through text
31:23messages.
31:24He tells Dave Bombhover that the reason
31:26he deleted his Facebook account is
31:28because he just learned that Nikki told
31:32her friends about him and he didn't want
31:35them to look him up and see that his
31:39wife was pregnant. Everything was moving
31:42very quickly for Chris and Nikki after
31:44the family returned back to Colorado
31:46from North Carolina. She gives him a key
31:48to her apartment. And it makes sense to
31:50me that it was during that time while
31:52Chris and Nikki were at her apartment
31:54after work that day that they discussed
31:57that Nicole had told her friends about
32:00Chris. And we do know that there is some
32:02truth to that, that Nicole Kessinger was
32:05telling her friends about Chris Watts.
32:08We know from the discovery and from
32:10Nicole Kessinger's interviews that she
32:12had a conversation, a text conversation
32:14with her very best friend, Charlotte
32:16Nelson, telling him all about this man
32:19that she just met, how wonderful he was,
32:22and a number of details and explicit
32:25facts regarding their physical and
32:27intimate relationship.
32:29And do you know what day she for the
32:32first time told her best friend
32:34Charlotte Nelson about her new bow, her
32:37new love interest, the person for whom
32:41she's googling marrying your mistress
32:43and looking for wedding dresses online
32:45for hours and hours.
32:48That day, the first time she told her
32:50best friend Charlotte Nelson about Chris
32:53Watts was Sunday, August 12th. That's
32:57right. The day before, just hours before
33:02Chris Watt's family was murdered. Is
33:05that coincidental timing or what? Or did
33:09Nicole Kessinger know that she should
33:11start telling her friends to tell her
33:13best friend for the first time about her
33:16new bow? because she knew that in a very
33:19short time from then he was going to be
33:22free and clear to be with her and only
33:24her. Free of his family, of his pregnant
33:27wife, and of his two children, ready to
33:29start a fresh new life with Nicole
33:32Kessinger, putting her in the seat of
33:35first fiddle. So, let's shift back to
33:38Nicole Kessinger's recollection of the
33:42days before the murders, the weeks
33:43before the murders, the time before the
33:45murders since the Watts family returned
33:47home from North Carolina to Frederick,
33:49Colorado,
33:51and when Chris Watts in her mind was
33:53moving closer to holding those keys to
33:57her apartment permanently in his back
33:59pocket or the console of his truck or
34:01wherever he puts his keys. and also her
34:04very selective memory and her emphasis
34:10on the Watts family selling that house
34:1328 25 Saratoga Trail and then it was
34:17like we're filing for divorce we're
34:19selling the house and this was like all
34:22as soon as they were come back from
34:23North Carolina like boom boom boom boom
34:24boom
34:24>> will you recall when he gets back from
34:26North Carolina?
34:27>> No, I don't even know how long he was
34:28out there. I know it was like less than
34:29two weeks and more than one.
34:31>> Okay.
34:31>> I don't remember.
34:33I just I really wanted them to fix it. I
34:36would have just like left the situation.
34:38I you know he told me like we were going
34:40to put the house up, but they said he
34:41was like we didn't know how much to
34:43offer for it and we were kind of trying
34:44to find somebody and it like so for the
34:47first few weeks that I hung out with
34:48him, he kind of like dragged his feet
34:50on, hey, this is happening. And then
34:52after North Carolina, he's like, yeah,
34:53she wants to put the house up. She's
34:55going to call the realtor. And I was
34:56like kind of kicking back, not
34:57necessarily at the speed of it given how
35:00long he said that they'd been
35:01separating, but the fact that she did it
35:03like the day after he supposedly sat
35:06down and had a conversation with her
35:07about, hey, do we fix this or do we not
35:09fix this relationship?
35:11>> So, do you remember how many days she
35:13was back in Colorado before leaving?
35:16>> Do you know that?
35:17>> Because I don't remember when they got
35:18home.
35:18>> Right.
35:20>> Can't remember. But it's okay, Miss
35:21Kessinger, because we here at Wattsy
35:23Obsession have done the math for you.
35:26After the Watts family got home from
35:28North Carolina, Shannan Watts was home a
35:32total of 2 days before she was murdered.
35:36>> They get home. He had told you in North
35:38Carolina that they agreed to
35:40>> end their finalized their relationship.
35:42>> Yeah.
35:43>> They get home and she immediately wants
35:45to sell the house.
35:46>> Yes. And then um so I mean I started
35:50thinking, okay, well I know in Colorado
35:52houses sell very fast here. So I was
35:54like, what's your plan, you know? And I
35:57was like, cuz you might want to be
35:58prepared. And I remember that's when the
36:01whole concept came up of you probably
36:04need to start looking for a new place
36:06pretty quick. And that was when he was
36:09kind of overwhelmed with it. And I told
36:10him, I was like, look, like I just moved
36:12a few months ago. Um and uh I was like
36:15to find a place that was comfortable for
36:17me was like it took
36:20like a lot of research and I that's when
36:23I offered to help. I was like I'll help
36:25you and he seemed pretty gung-ho about
36:28it for like the first week and he seemed
36:31very grateful and I was putting in work
36:33on it and I was like calling him and
36:35kind of letting him know about places
36:37and there really wasn't that many
36:38options in Brighton. Um, I found one. I
36:41actually texted it to myself before I
36:42texted it to him because I was going, I
36:44still have that in my phone, too. Um,
36:48because I found it and it was great, but
36:49it was like right at the beginning of my
36:51search and I was like, I don't want to
36:53inundate.
36:53>> So, you said a week. Do you think you
36:55worked on that for a week?
36:56>> No, I honestly only probably spent like
36:58a few hours over a few days and just
37:01trying to like line it up.
37:02>> Just trying to think about how many days
37:04she had been back while you were working
37:06on that. Do you know what I'm saying?
37:07Oh,
37:08>> so you said did you actually work on it
37:10for a week straight?
37:11>> No, no, no. It was just like a couple
37:12days after work I would just like spend
37:14a couple hours if I had time like at the
37:17end of my day or if I didn't go to the
37:18gym and just sit down and I mean I can
37:21give you a date on one that I worked on
37:22because I texted that one to myself.
37:24>> Okay. Now, pay very careful attention to
37:28the next thing that she is about to say
37:30here.
37:31>> I mean, I can give you a date on one
37:32that I worked on because I texted that
37:34one myself. This one, I loved this one.
37:36Um, when is this? Saturday, August 11th.
37:40>> That's the night you guys went out.
37:42>> Uh, yeah.
37:46>> To uh a lazy dog.
37:47>> Yes.
37:48>> Or the two the two lazy dogs.
37:50>> Yeah.
37:51>> Did you catch that? Oh. Oh, I can give
37:53you a date here. I text the listening to
37:55myself and it's the date is August 11th.
38:00The silence is deafening. silence like
38:03we have not yet heard from Chris Watt's
38:06mistress before after she says, "Oh, it
38:09was August 11th." All of a sudden, she's
38:12speechless because law enforcement is
38:15not supposed to know what was really
38:17being discussed at dinner that evening.
38:19They're just supposed to believe that
38:21the entire time Kessinger and Watts were
38:23talking about Chris Watts diet and
38:26macros.
38:27>> I can give you a date on one that I
38:29worked on because I texted that one to
38:30myself. This one. I love this one. Um,
38:34when is this? Saturday, August 11th.
38:37>> That's the night you guys went out.
38:39>> Uh, yeah.
38:43>> To uh the lazy dog.
38:45>> Yes.
38:45>> Or the two the two lazy dogs.
38:48>> Yeah.
38:49>> Okay. So, this little sound excerpt that
38:52I'm playing here is 35 minutes into the
38:552hour and 20 minute final interview
38:58between Nicole Kessinger and Kevin
39:00Kobach. Now, up until this point, all
39:04that she has told Kevin Kobach about
39:06what they had discussed at the Lazy Dog
39:09that Saturday night, just about a day
39:11and a half before the murders, was Chris
39:14Watt's diet, his macros, dialing them in
39:19when she is asked about their date at
39:22the Lazy Dog restaurant on Saturday,
39:24August 11th.
39:27Saturday
39:29during your dinner. Um, what what kind
39:32of conversation did you guys have?
39:36>> I I don't
39:38>> The question is, Saturday during your
39:40dinner, what kind of conversation did
39:41you have? And let's just look at her
39:43response, her reaction. Again, again, we
39:46have a moment of silence. Very rare for
39:48this mistress.
39:50>> During your dinner, um, what what kind
39:53of conversation would you guys have?
39:57I I don't even Oh,
40:02I don't even Oh, she clearly does not
40:06want to answer that question. She's not.
40:08>> Do you guys catch that? Let me just go
40:10back again because she just like I think
40:12it's so so clear how badly she does not
40:16want to answer this question.
40:20>> Um, what what kind of conversation did
40:22you guys have?
40:25I I don't
40:27>> The question is, Saturday during your
40:29dinner, what kind of conversation did
40:30you have? And let's just look at her
40:33response, her reaction again. Again, we
40:35have a moment of silence. Very rare for
40:38this mistress.
40:40>> During your dinner, um what kind of
40:43conversation did you guys have?
40:46I I don't Oh,
40:51I I don't Oh, she clearly does not want
40:56to answer that question. She's not
40:57willing to answer the question. What was
40:58the conversation when you guys were out
41:00of the lazy dog restaurant? She has
41:03selective memory about so many things
41:06throughout the hours upon hours of all
41:08of her five interviews.
41:11You know, right here we're talking about
41:12not knowing when the family got home
41:14from North Carolina back to Colorado,
41:17even though it was just a week before
41:19this interview, right? And then to say
41:22that she doesn't know what they're they
41:25talked about at the Lazy Dog restaurant
41:26or act like she doesn't remember. It was
41:294 days 4 days before this interview. Of
41:32course, she remembers. Of course, she
41:35remembers these things cuz she remembers
41:36the details about so many insignificant
41:39things. So, we have to ask the question,
41:42why is Nicole Kessinger Chris Watt's
41:45mistress lying to law enforcement? Now,
41:49it's one thing to have selective memory
41:53about just random things, but here she's
41:55being directly questioned about recent
41:58events pertaining to the murders of a
42:0215week old pregnant woman and her two
42:04baby girls. Oh, by the way, the person
42:06who killed them, perhaps with the help
42:08of another, is her boyfriend. And this
42:10woman gets off without any hard
42:12questions with no charges. Although from
42:15what we already know about what she did,
42:17she should have been charged. She has no
42:20penalties, no consequences or
42:22repercussions. Law enforcement
42:24completely let her off the hook. And we
42:26have to ask
42:27>> Saturday
42:29>> during your dinner. Um what what kind of
42:32conversation did you guys have?
42:36>> I I don't remember. Oh, I uh so he's
42:41been trying to like eat a little
42:42healthier than he normally does and he's
42:44always like been in the working out
42:45since I knew him and he like tries to
42:47eat clean, but he was trying to like
42:50step it up a little bit and nothing like
42:52the people who do like the competitions
42:53and the shows that are all super
42:54restrictive and it's nothing like that.
42:56It's just like day-to-day general
42:57maintenance.
42:57>> Wait, wait, wait. What? What did she
42:59just say?
43:01>> The people who do like the competitions
43:02and the shows that are all super
43:04restrictive. Yeah, the people that do
43:05the competitions and the shows that are
43:06all super restrictive and stuff, you
43:08know, like the professional
43:10bodybuilders, like what is she talking
43:12about? It's crap like this, ramblings
43:15like this, complete nonsensical,
43:18irrelevant. What the hell are you
43:19talking about, girl? stuff like this
43:22that she spews for the whole nine hours
43:25of interviews that she does over those
43:26five interviews that lets us know she
43:29has no interest in helping this
43:31investigation and no interest in telling
43:34the truth. Why is that?
43:38There's nothing like that. It's just
43:39like day-to-day general maintenance, but
43:41it's how I eat and it's pretty healthy.
43:42And um he's been losing a lot of weight.
43:45He lost,
43:47I want to say, like 13 pounds in the
43:49time that we were hanging out. And
43:50honestly, when you start eating a little
43:52bit cleaner and you start working out a
43:53little bit harder the first couple
43:55months, especially for a man, cuz they
43:56lose weight faster, it's not something
43:59that's like that drastic to me, but it
44:01did stand out that it was like a little
44:02much. And so, I was like, whoa. Like,
44:04maybe.
44:04>> Seriously, guys, I am sorry that you are
44:07listening to this in my video right now,
44:08but I'm going to speed it up here. We're
44:10going to listen to it on so she could be
44:12talking really fast. But I think it's
44:14important to understand how long she was
44:16talking about absolutely nothing. Not
44:18answering the question that was asked
44:20well because she's lying. And I mean,
44:22who would really think that this answer
44:24is genuine and how Kevin Kobach just
44:28patiently waits for her to finish with
44:30her diet tribe and then says, "Okay, so
44:33that was, you know, the bulk of your
44:35conversation. All this [ __ ] that you're
44:36telling me now, the macronutrients." and
44:38she's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." Um, it's
44:43important. What does she not want to
44:45talk about that was discussed at dinner
44:47when they were at the lazy dog or what
44:49happened that evening that she doesn't
44:51want law enforcement to know about?
44:54So, let me look at them. So, he had been
44:56working on his My Fitness Pal app and
44:57like programming like all stuff he
44:58needs. And I just started going through
45:00them and I was like trying to figure out
45:01like where his ratios were. We actually
45:03spent a lot of time doing that because
45:04he had asked me to do it for him. Um
45:05because I just was at the point where I
45:06was like if his weight loss slows down
45:08in a few weeks he'll be fine and if it
45:10doesn't then his macros are a little
45:12off. It's not like that big of a deal
45:13like in the workout community. This is
45:14like a very normal thing. But
45:15>> there any other outside concerns like
45:16potential drug use, alcohol use, any of
45:18that stuff that that led you to go he's
45:20lost extreme amount of weight in such a
45:21short period of time.
45:22>> No. And I wouldn't call it extreme. It
45:23was just like it it was it was a lot.
45:25But I mean when I first started working
45:27out I dropped like 12 pounds in two
45:28weeks when I first first started like
45:29hitting it hard with the diet. So, the
45:31fact that he lost like that much weight,
45:33it wasn't, like I said, it was it was
45:35not a surprising amount. I just didn't
45:36want it to be like a sustained amount.
45:37But, no, I didn't think anything weird
45:38of it just because of like how inner
45:40knitted I am with the like workout
45:42community and I know like this is
45:43possible. But it just he the thing that
45:45concerned me about it, I guess it wasn't
45:46even concerned, but the thing that like
45:47kind of red lighted me like, hey, this
45:49might be carrying on is the fact that
45:50his macros were like pretty dialed in.
45:53Like, I had wrote them and he like
45:54didn't stay exactly on them, but his
45:56calorie intake was about where it needed
45:57to be. my experience anyways for like
46:00what he was trying to achieve. And so I
46:02don't know, he didn't seem to have a
46:03problem with it. He liked where he was
46:05at with all of that.
46:06>> So that was your main conversation
46:07Saturday.
46:08>> That was like a big chunk while we were
46:10there is like us actually going through
46:11because I was like going through each
46:12item like why do you have why are your
46:15ratios off?
46:16>> Do you know where his kids or wife were
46:18that night? Good old Kessenger using a
46:21technique she is comfortable with when
46:22she does not want to answer a question,
46:24when she wants to obuscate, confuse, and
46:27redirect whoever she's speaking with,
46:30and that is to just ramble on about
46:31[ __ ] that has no consequence or
46:34meaning for anything that they should be
46:37talking about right now.
46:39One of the primary signs that somebody
46:41is telling a lie in their narrative
46:44story or if you're they're being asked
46:46questions is that what they say does not
46:51match the question asked. And this
46:54happens through all of the five
46:57interviews, almost nine hours of
46:59interviews with Nicole Kessinger as it
47:02relates to this tragedy.
47:05So, the comfortable conversation that
47:08Nicole Kousinger just defaulted to when
47:10Kevin Kobach asked her about, "Hey, what
47:13did you guys talk about at the Lazy Dog
47:15is, you know, the fitness app and the
47:18workouts and the dialing it in and the
47:20macros and the diet and how she helped
47:24Chris Watts." And if that sounds a
47:27little familiar to you and you hadn't
47:29heard the those words verbatim before,
47:31it might be because another time when
47:33Nicole Kassinger does not want to tell
47:35law enforcement what she was up to or
47:38what was said, she defaulted to talking
47:43about helping Chris Watts out with his
47:45fitness app. She's
47:47>> I think this is a really interesting
47:48point that she goes to these like same
47:50similar topics when she wants to avoid
47:53you know answering a certain question. I
47:55I think this is super interesting and
47:57this is a technique that compulsive
47:59liars certainly do use good with working
48:01out but you know he needs to dial it in
48:04with the macros and the diet. And that
48:06was when she ended up at his house on
48:10the morning of the 4th of July after he
48:13left her apartment because Shenan was
48:14freaking out because she couldn't get a
48:16hold of him and she was pissed. She just
48:19shows up on his doorstep. This is just a
48:21few days after they started dating.
48:25I just sat on the floor and it was on
48:26the 4th of July. It was the morning of
48:28the fourth and I was helping him
48:31uh to set up my fitness pal app and like
48:35track his food, his calories and stuff
48:37cuz he does pretty good with the working
48:38out and stuff and he asked me he's like
48:40can you help me just like get this
48:41dialed in? It's like yeah I can do that.
48:43So that he invited me up to the house
48:45and I was already kind of hesitant to do
48:46it cuz I was like there are other people
48:48that live here and I just felt like it
48:50was an amazing space. It takes one
48:52special kind of personality to talk
48:55about such meaningless self-involved
48:58crap and show no concern for the victims
49:03under these circumstances and all the
49:05while lying her way through this nearly
49:084hour interview. Lies, lies, lies.
49:15Now, although Nicole Kessinger had
49:17certainly mentioned Chris Watts getting
49:20an apartment, moving out of the house,
49:21and getting an apartment of his own, and
49:23her helping him with those efforts
49:25before this, what I consider to be a
49:27slip when she says, "Oh, well, the day I
49:29texted to myself, it was August 11th.
49:32Crickets crickets like we've never heard
49:34from her before." Cuz I don't think he
49:36was supposed to know. I don't think that
49:38law enforcement was supposed to know
49:40about the heat that Nicole Kessinger was
49:42putting on Chris in that week and those
49:45days and those hours leading up to the
49:47family annihilation.
49:49The high pressure that she was applying
49:51for him to make a move and make it now.
49:54And most of all, the ultimatum that she
49:57laid down before him. Just days and
50:01hours before Shannan, 15 weeks pregnant,
50:04Bella and Celeste were murdered.
50:07Now, this is just one piece of the
50:09puzzle that lets us know that there was
50:12in fact an ultimatum delivered from
50:14Nicole Kessinger to Chris Watts, but I
50:16want you to just take note here and put
50:18a bookmark in it that this is in fact a
50:21piece of that puzzle we're going to
50:23refer back to. All right, go get
50:25yourself a glass of water, a glass of
50:27wine, or a cup of coffee, but get ready
50:28to pay attention. The following excerpts
50:31are going to cover a pivotal, compelling
50:3520inut span of Nicole Kessinger's
50:38interview from August 16th, 2018. The
50:41one where her dad was present. Again,
50:43it's just going to be excerpts, but I
50:45need you to listen carefully.
50:48And we're going to start out when Nicole
50:50Kessinger is talking all about those
50:52macros when she is asked about their
50:56date at the Lazy Dog restaurant on
50:58Saturday, August 11th.
51:01>> Saturday
51:03during your dinner, um, what kind of
51:06conversation did you guys have?
51:10So, just like Nicole Kessinger did not
51:11want to tell law enforcement that she
51:13had a tantrum on the 4th of July and
51:15showed up at Chris Watt's house and all
51:17of the rest, she didn't want to tell law
51:19enforcement what she and Chris talked
51:21about at the Lazy Dog because it had
51:24very much to do with Chris Watt's
51:27relationship with his wife again, just
51:29like it did on the morning of the 4th of
51:31July when Jana wanted Chris to answer
51:34the phone immediately and was
51:35questioning him because he wasn't. and
51:38he responded to that and that upset his
51:42mistress.
51:44Something was going on with Shannan and
51:46Chris that weekend of the Lazy Dog date.
51:51And on August 11th, just before the
51:55murders,
51:57they had Nicole feeling very
51:58uncomfortable about Chris and Shan's
52:00relationship. She was freaking out,
52:04throwing a tantrum, needed things to be
52:06her way, making demands, telling Chris
52:09how it was going to be, pushing him
52:11around, berating and belittling Shenan,
52:14and caring about no one other than
52:16herself.
52:18>> Do you know where his kids or wife were
52:20that night
52:21>> on Saturday?
52:22>> Yeah, his kid Well, you know, his kids
52:24are with the babysitter. Do you know
52:25where his wife is?
52:26>> She's in Arizona.
52:27>> Okay. How do you know that?
52:28>> Cuz you told me.
52:29>> Okay. Do you know what she's doing
52:31there?
52:31>> I think she's on a business trip. He
52:34didn't even tell me right away. He
52:35actually told me I think like on
52:37Saturday or something. It might have
52:39been like Friday or something. I don't I
52:41honestly don't remember. I just remember
52:43I was like really surprised where he's
52:44like, "Hey, like I'm going to try to get
52:47a babysitter if you want to hang out or
52:49something like that." And I was like,
52:50"Why do you need a babysitter? Like your
52:52wife's home." He's like, "No, she's out
52:53of town." I was like, "Oh,
52:55>> okay. Is there much conversation
52:57regarding
52:59>> and check out the body language from
53:02Miss Kassinger?
53:03>> I just asked him what time she was
53:05coming home on Sunday and he just said
53:06really late.
53:08>> Okay.
53:08>> And that was it. I mean there's nothing
53:10really to talk about with that.
53:12>> And she ends by saying when he asked if
53:16they talked about Shannan. Yeah. Well,
53:18there no there there's nothing really to
53:20talk about with that.
53:22Wow. Remember again, Shenhan pot's
53:26remains were just recovered hours before
53:29this interview. And for people who
53:31wonder why the world can't stand Nicole
53:34Kessinger, here is a shining well really
53:38a dimming example.
53:41>> Not really. I just asked him what time
53:42she was coming home on Sunday and he
53:44just said really late.
53:45>> Okay.
53:46>> And that was it. I mean, there's nothing
53:48really to talk about with that.
53:49>> Okay. So, your conversation's mainly
53:52health related.
53:54>> Um, you guys return to your house and
53:56then he goes home and then you talk to
53:59him for um a few hours on Sunday.
54:03>> All right. This is Kevin Kobach's first
54:06attempt at taking a crack at trying to
54:09discover what that 111 minute phone
54:12conversation was about that happened
54:14literally just
54:17a few near hours
54:202 3 4 5 hours before Chris Watt's family
54:26was murdered. Now something you might
54:28find interesting. How many times did
54:30Kevin Kobach ask her about what was
54:33discussed during that 111 minute phone
54:35conversation on Sunday just hours before
54:37the murders? You know how many times he
54:40asked her about that phone call? I can
54:42tell you it was at least eight times. I
54:44counted eight times. Eight significant
54:46times where he asked her directly or
54:49tried to follow up and really try to get
54:51an answer from her. And did she give him
54:53any meaningful information or truth
54:56about the 111 minute phone call? any of
54:58those eight at least times. He asked her
55:01directly about what was up that phone
55:03call. Like it was long, weird timing. It
55:06was the longest phone call in her 3
55:08months of phone records that they
55:11obtained per the discovery by far. The
55:15second longest phone call on her phone
55:18records was only 52 minutes. At 111
55:21minutes, it was significantly longer,
55:24significantly
55:25closer to the time of the murders of
55:28Shenan, Bella, and Celeste than any
55:31other phone call. And you know what
55:32else? You may have heard me talk about
55:34this before in one of my phone data
55:37videos.
55:39on her phone bill. The 111 minute phone
55:42conversation
55:44is right next to the 6:16 a.m. phone
55:49ping that happened right outside the
55:51Watt's house. That's right. No other
55:54activity happened on Nicole Kessinger's
55:56phone between that 111 minute phone
55:58conversation just hours before the
56:00murders and her 6:16 a.m. ping right in
56:03front of the Watts house. that would
56:05have happened just hours, minutes,
56:08moments after the murders.
56:12>> So, I that's another important point I
56:13just want to highlight on her. As far as
56:15her phone activity goes, these two
56:17events are next to one another
56:19chronologically. Nothing happened
56:20between them. As far as her phone
56:21activity, the end of the 111 minute
56:24phone conversation, and there's a whole
56:26lot around that that's interesting. We
56:29talked about that during the last live
56:30stream. Talk about it again and again
56:32and again. It's all really important
56:33stuff. And then the 6:16 a.m. phone
56:36ping. From the end of the 111 minute
56:38phone conversation to when her phone
56:40pinged in Frederick, Colorado at 6:16
56:42a.m., there was no other activity on her
56:45phone. That's important, man. Like, how
56:51how
56:52was she not interrogated and
56:54investigated heavily?
56:58And then you talked to him for um a few
57:02hours on Sunday.
57:04>> Did I? Are you asking me? Are you
57:06talking
57:06>> asking you?
57:07>> Oh, I was like I don't even know.
57:10Sunday, honestly. Oh, on So, wait a
57:13minute. That was Saturday. This is We're
57:15talking about Saturday. We're not
57:16talking about Sunday, right?
57:17>> This is a dimming example of one of the
57:19travesties of the dynamic of this
57:21interview that Nicole Kessinger is
57:23allowed to just lead him all over the
57:25place in whichever direction she wants
57:26to go. He asked about the 111minute
57:28phone conversation on Sunday. She's just
57:30like, "Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
57:31We're on Saturday." Well, there's
57:33nothing more to talk about on Saturday.
57:36Nothing else happened unless she wants
57:38to mention her Google search for Shannan
57:42Watts, Chris Watts, Ronnie Watts, and
57:452825 Saratoga Trail. That happened 2
57:49minutes after Chris Watts left her
57:51apartment at 10:02 p.m. after their
57:56dinner at the Lazy Dog that Saturday
57:58evening. Aside from that, nothing else
58:01happened apparently. Since most of you
58:03have already listened to many of the
58:05Nicole Kessinger interviews and
58:08specifically the one from August 16th,
58:10one where her dad is present, I'm just
58:12going to tell you that as he asks her,
58:14as Kevin Kobach asks Nicole Kessinger
58:16about the 111 minute phone conversation,
58:20she successfully detours him for about
58:2310 minutes going off about Nutgate
58:27talking about CC Watt's apparent tree
58:30nut allergy and the fight Shannan and
58:32Cindy Watts got into as a result while
58:35they were in North Carolina on July 9th.
58:38You guys probably know a whole lot about
58:40that whole situation. And if you don't,
58:42I have plenty videos created about
58:44Nuckate on my channel.
58:47She just talks and talks and talks and
58:49talks and talks and talks and talks in
58:51circles and really doesn't get anywhere.
58:52So, finally Kevin Colbeach cuts her off
58:56about that and tries again to redirect
58:58her.
59:01So, after successfully ending the
59:04tangent Nicole Kessinger was taking him
59:06on about the tree nut allergies and the
59:08nutgate argument between Shazan and
59:10Cindy Watts,
59:12he's going to go back to trying to
59:14question her about the 111 minute phone
59:16conversation. What I'm thinking is he's
59:18realizing that's probably not a good
59:20idea to try to launch right back into
59:22because she's already on alert that he's
59:24trying to probe around about it and she
59:26is being defensive and evasive. So he
59:30just asks her about the nature of their
59:33relationship of her relationship with
59:35Chris Watts while they were dating for
59:37the apparent 6 weeks that they were
59:39together. Nicole Kessinger talks about
59:42their affection for one another and
59:44saying I love you and there's that weird
59:46story about how he said I love you to
59:48her while he was in North Carolina and
59:51she said well hear it from her yourself.
59:54I was like, "Don't say that to me. Like,
59:57please go try to fit." And I mean, and
59:59that might even mean the text, too.
1:00:00Like, don't don't like don't say those
1:00:03words to me and then go wife and lay in
1:00:06bed with another woman. Like, just don't
1:00:08do that.
1:00:08>> Wow. As a side note, I wonder if her dad
1:00:12is
1:00:14impressed at all at what comes out of
1:00:16Nicole Kassinger's mouth.
1:00:18>> I mean, the nerve for her to say that.
1:00:21Don't say you love me and then go lay in
1:00:23bed with another woman. Dude, that woman
1:00:25is his wife, [ __ ] Get out the way,
1:00:28[ __ ] It's his wife. I just can't even
1:00:30believe those words came out of her
1:00:32mouth
1:00:33during this interview. He just sits
1:00:35there. What is going through his head?
1:00:37Or is he just used to this crap? Okay,
1:00:40as we start to move towards talking
1:00:42about the the moment, the event, the
1:00:45thing that made Nicole Kessinger snap
1:00:47that pushed her over the edge and caused
1:00:49her to deliver the ultimatum to Chris
1:00:52Watts. It's me or your family. I just
1:00:55want to point out a couple things about
1:00:57that little excerpt that we just heard
1:00:59about Nicole Kessinger saying, "Oh, you
1:01:01know, don't say I love you and don't go
1:01:03lay in bed with another woman." So
1:01:06gross, right?
1:01:08First of all, I think we see time and
1:01:10time again the complete lack of
1:01:12compassion that Kessinger has for
1:01:14Shannan Watts. I mean, for God's sake,
1:01:16she doesn't even care that the woman was
1:01:17just murdered. She certainly doesn't
1:01:20care about the relationship dynamics
1:01:22that were going on between Chris and
1:01:24Shenan, who had been together for years
1:01:26and years and years and years while they
1:01:28were in North Carolina. You know, all
1:01:31she really wants is to be with Chris
1:01:33Watts obsessively. And God knows why,
1:01:36but I mean that's where this woman is
1:01:38at. Also, this is just one example of
1:01:42the many examples where you see a clear
1:01:46display of contempt and disgust for
1:01:51Shannan Watts. And these are the ugliest
1:01:54human emotions that we feel towards
1:01:57another person. And when people are
1:01:59feeling contempt, disdain or disgust for
1:02:03someone, there is really almost a
1:02:07necessary hatred for that person. And
1:02:10also those feelings in and of themselves
1:02:12are so uncomfortable because they are so
1:02:15ugly and intense to hold inside that
1:02:19people will usually do just about
1:02:20anything to eventually escape that
1:02:22feeling, including irrational things. So
1:02:25when Chris Watt says, "I love you to
1:02:27Kessinger." when he's in North Carolina,
1:02:29she tells him what she thinks about
1:02:30that. So, listen carefully to this. I
1:02:32always notice this and I think that this
1:02:35is so important.
1:02:36>> Don't say those words to me and then go
1:02:38try to make peace with your life.
1:02:40>> Did you catch it? She says don't say
1:02:42those words to me and go try to make
1:02:43peace with your life wife. You know, she
1:02:46almost says life, but she then corrects
1:02:48herself and says wife. Well, why is this
1:02:51significant? Because I think it's not
1:02:53just Chris Watt's wife that Nicole
1:02:56Kessinger has a problem with and really
1:02:58would like out of the picture so she can
1:03:00have that hunk of hot loving all to
1:03:02herself. I believe she has a problem
1:03:05with his entire life that doesn't
1:03:09revolve around her. So that would be of
1:03:12course his children and Shannan at this
1:03:16point. And I'm sure if you know their
1:03:18relationship did continue, they are on a
1:03:21trajectory for her to have a problem
1:03:22with everything in his life other than
1:03:25her, but that's a whole different video.
1:03:29Nicole Kessinger is not okay with any
1:03:31aspect of Chris Watt's life that is not
1:03:34Nicole Kessinger.
1:03:36I mean, do you guys agree? Leave a
1:03:38comment down below. So eventually Kevin
1:03:41Kobach tries to again redirect her to
1:03:43the topic at hand finding out
1:03:45information about the murders of
1:03:46Shannan, Bella, and Celeste and says,
1:03:49"Well, you know, during the course of
1:03:50your relationship,
1:03:52you know, the kids and the wife were
1:03:54gone most of the time. You got to spend
1:03:56a lot of time together." And listen to
1:03:58how she answers.
1:03:59>> Um, you guys are talking multiple times
1:04:02a day at least. You're
1:04:05>> you're seeing each other on a regular
1:04:06basis.
1:04:08Um, so it it's a very u and and his wife
1:04:12is not around nor are his children. So
1:04:15there's a lot of time for you guys to
1:04:16build your relationship in this first
1:04:19four four weeks or so. Is that fair?
1:04:21>> Yeah. And even when she she was back, I
1:04:24mean, it was still like we were still
1:04:25spending time together. He was still
1:04:27spending time with his children and I
1:04:28had my own life.
1:04:29>> Uh uh uh. Kassinger, law enforcement may
1:04:31not be on to you, but we are over here.
1:04:34What's the obsession? While she was
1:04:36back, we were still spending time
1:04:37together. Remember, we determined that
1:04:39during the course of their supposed six
1:04:41week relationship, Shannan was only home
1:04:44for literally two days of that,
1:04:48two days, August 8th and August 9th.
1:04:52Although what she is saying right here
1:04:54is a complete lie, a nonsensical and
1:04:58provable lie, there is the slightest bit
1:05:01of truth in what she's saying. Because
1:05:02yes, while Shannan was home in Colorado,
1:05:06she did spend time with Chris Watts on
1:05:08one day, and that was Wednesday,
1:05:12August 8th. In Nicole Kessinger's mind,
1:05:14and in reality, August 8th was an
1:05:16absolutely critical day to the eventual
1:05:19outcome of this horrible tragedy. And as
1:05:22crazy as it feels, we've got to hand it
1:05:24to her. She is right about that. August
1:05:268th was clearly a very important day
1:05:30related to the outcome of this crime. If
1:05:32you saw the ultimate in part one, you
1:05:34know that is absolute fact.
1:05:37Also important to the ultimate outcome
1:05:39of this horrible tragedy are all the
1:05:41other days that we have mentioned in
1:05:43this video and ultimatum one. And that
1:05:46is that Friday, August 10th, when
1:05:48Shannan leaves to go to Arizona for the
1:05:51weekend and Chris and Nicole Kazinger
1:05:53both take off of work and Chris and Troy
1:05:56McCoy meet through exchange fire stick.
1:05:58Although I think that doesn't have
1:05:59anything to do with crime. You're going
1:06:01to let me know what you think about
1:06:02that.
1:06:03Also, a critical day related to the
1:06:06outcome of this crime is Saturday,
1:06:08August 11th, the day of the lazy dog
1:06:11day. And of course, Sunday, August 12th,
1:06:13the day of the 111 minute phone
1:06:15conversation. And in all of those days
1:06:17that I just mentioned, there is so much
1:06:19that happened that is critical to this
1:06:23tragedy occurring on August 13th, 2018
1:06:27that still remains unsaid. What we have
1:06:31learned from examining the truth of this
1:06:33case over the past several years is that
1:06:36critical moments on those last critical
1:06:39days often times also remain
1:06:42undocumented in the case discovery.
1:06:47Tell you one thing, things start to look
1:06:48very interesting when you closely
1:06:51examine what exists, what has been
1:06:54hidden, and what has been altered, what
1:06:58has been destroyed, what exists in
1:07:00discovery, combined with what we learned
1:07:03about Kessinger's actions and behaviors
1:07:05in the days following the tragedy, and
1:07:08what she was trying to hide while she
1:07:10was being interviewed by law
1:07:12enforcement. When we compare what is
1:07:14known to be true and the stories that
1:07:17she clearly made up when she was being
1:07:19interviewed shows us that she is likely
1:07:23somehow involved in this horrible,
1:07:26horrible tragedy. And what does not
1:07:30appear in Discovery may indicate her
1:07:32guilt even more so than what is in that
1:07:36discovery document within the 1,960
1:07:41pages. So, here's what's real funny
1:07:44about the discovery.
1:07:46There are a lot of important events
1:07:49missing from the date August 12th, 2018.
1:07:54That is a day before Shenan, Bella,
1:07:56Celeste, and unborn baby Nico were
1:07:58murdered in the wee early morning hours
1:08:02of Monday, August 13th. It is a critical
1:08:06day and there are so many critical
1:08:08details that are missing from Shannan
1:08:11Watt's deleted post to Nicole's
1:08:14Kessingers's conversations with other
1:08:17people besides Chris Watts and the 111
1:08:21minute phone conversation between Chris
1:08:23Watts and Nicole Kessinger.
1:08:26Even though the very first item, the
1:08:29very first items in the official
1:08:32discovery timeline is about Nicole
1:08:34Kessinger. It says on September 7th,
1:08:382017, Nicole Kessinger, Google searched
1:08:42the name Shenan Watts.
1:08:47Although Nicole Kessinger's name is
1:08:49littered throughout the Discovery
1:08:50timeline, starting with September 1st,
1:08:532017, and she appears in it all the way
1:08:56through, her name literally appears
1:08:59scores of times in that Discovery
1:09:02timeline until, remarkably, Saturday,
1:09:05August 11th, 2018.
1:09:08The last mention of Nicole Kessinger
1:09:12until her mentioning goes dark the
1:09:15following day that Sunday, August 12th,
1:09:17the day before the murders, is a search
1:09:20that she made after she and Chris went
1:09:22out on a date to the Lazy Dog
1:09:24restaurant, one location and then
1:09:26another. That timeline entry states at
1:09:3022:04 hours, so that's 10:04 p.m. Having
1:09:35concluded her evening trrist with Watts,
1:09:37Kessinger searched the internet on
1:09:38topics like Chris Watts, Shannan Watts,
1:09:42Ronnie Watts, and 28 25 Saratoga Trail.
1:09:47And then all of a sudden on Sunday,
1:09:51August 12th, Nicole Kessinger disappears
1:09:54from the Discovery timeline. Not to be
1:09:56mentioned, not even once.
1:10:00Conspicuously missing is the 111 minute
1:10:04phone conversation between Watts and
1:10:07Kessinger that Kevin Kobach asked her
1:10:10about over the course of his four
1:10:12interviews with her. Asked about that
1:10:15conversation a total of nine times. All
1:10:19right. So although neither Nicole
1:10:21Kessinger or Chris Watts will tell
1:10:24authorities or anybody what the 111
1:10:28minute phone call was about, there are a
1:10:31few things we do know about this phone
1:10:32call. So let's talk about those. So,
1:10:36this phone call started at 9:28 p.m. on
1:10:40Sunday, August 12th. And the call ended
1:10:43at 11:19 p.m. Again, Sunday, August
1:10:4612th, which is just about exactly 2 and
1:10:501/2 hours before Shannan Watts is seen
1:10:54on her Ring Cam security camera footage
1:10:57and the Vivven Alert alerts when she's
1:11:00coming home. and she's seen walking from
1:11:02Nicole Atinson's car up to her house and
1:11:06through the front door. Again, this call
1:11:09ends just about exactly 2 and 1/2 hours
1:11:13before that moment when Shannan Watts
1:11:16enters her house for the final time.
1:11:20We know from the discovery that several
1:11:22different things were happening around
1:11:25the time of and during that 111 minute
1:11:28phone conversation between Nicole
1:11:30Kessinger and Chris Watts.
1:11:34At the time of the 111 minute phone
1:11:36call, Shannan was in Arizona. She was at
1:11:39the airport awaiting her flight back
1:11:41home to Denver, Colorado. She was
1:11:44supposed to arrive home around 11:00
1:11:46p.m. However, flights were delayed due
1:11:49to storms in Arizona at 9:29, just 1
1:11:54minute after the 111 minute phone call
1:11:56started. Isn't that kind of strange? The
1:11:59discovery says Shannan made an
1:12:00unanswered call to Watts.
1:12:04And then 13 minutes later at 9:44,
1:12:07Shannan told Watts that she tried
1:12:09calling him to give him an update. She's
1:12:11letting him know at that time the flight
1:12:12crew is not even there yet. So, she's
1:12:14going to definitely be significantly
1:12:17late. At 11:21 p.m.,
1:12:212 minutes after Chris gets off the phone
1:12:24with Kessinger, Watts finally reply
1:12:27saying, "Holy crap, sorry, I passed out
1:12:30on the couch. That's going to be late."
1:12:33We know that Shannan landed in the
1:12:35Denver airport a little before 1:00 a.m.
1:12:38and at 1:48 a.m. just about exactly 2
1:12:42and 1/2 hours after the 111 minute phone
1:12:45call ended. The discovery says Watt's
1:12:49phone logged the vivid alert of Shenan's
1:12:52entry into their home. We know that
1:12:55anywhere from a moment after Shannan
1:12:58walked through the front door of 2825
1:13:00Saratoga Trail for the very last time to
1:13:04just under 4 hours after she walked
1:13:07through that front door. Her life
1:13:09tragically was ended. We know this
1:13:12because Chris Watt's work truck leaves
1:13:15for Survey 319 at 5:46 a.m. the early
1:13:21morning of Monday, August 13th, 2018, a
1:13:25day that will live in infamy.
1:13:29What you will not find in the discovery
1:13:32on August 13th or the day before August
1:13:3512th in the timeline is any mentioning
1:13:38of Nicole Kessinger whatsoever.
1:13:42There's no indication of what Nicole
1:13:44Kessinger is doing the day before the
1:13:47murders, the eve of the murders,
1:13:50or the day of the murders?
1:13:53None at all.
1:13:55Do you remember these posts, Shannan
1:13:58Watt's final Facebook posts that were
1:14:02deleted, that were scrubbed from
1:14:03Shenan's Facebook account and seemingly
1:14:06the internet shortly after this tragedy
1:14:09happened. Ready to get home to Chris and
1:14:13the girls, she wrote around 300 p.m. on
1:14:16August 12th, the day before the murders,
1:14:18while she was in Arizona on her Thrive
1:14:21trip.
1:14:23And then there was one more post. It was
1:14:25Shannan Watt's final post to Facebook.
1:14:30The final post of her life that she
1:14:33posted to Facebook just hours before she
1:14:36was murdered at the hands of her very
1:14:40own husband. Shannan Watts was traveling
1:14:43to Denver International Airport from
1:14:45Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport
1:14:47August 12th, 11:09 p.m. in Phoenix,
1:14:51Arizona. ready to be home with Chris and
1:14:54the girls. Well, wouldn't you know, this
1:14:56very last post of Shenan's life was
1:14:58posted just 10 minutes before the 111
1:15:03minute phone conversation
1:15:05between Chris Watts and Nicole Kessinger
1:15:09ended. Now, I want you to listen very
1:15:11carefully to an excerpt of Chris Watts
1:15:13speaking in his interview from prison
1:15:15and also compare that to an excerpt of
1:15:18Nicole Kessinger's interview with law
1:15:19enforcement. remember that time she was
1:15:22talking about she was going over to his
1:15:24house on July 4th and they were, you
1:15:27know, of course talking about macros or
1:15:29dialing it in or working on the fitness
1:15:31pale app and she just went over there
1:15:33and she was just sitting on his carpet
1:15:35and sat on the floor and it was on the
1:15:374th of July. It was the morning of the
1:15:394th and I was helping him
1:15:42uh to set up my Fitness Pal app and like
1:15:46track his food, his calories and stuff
1:15:48cuz he does pretty good with the working
1:15:49out and stuff. And he asked me, he's
1:15:50like, "Can you help me just like get
1:15:52this dialed in?" It's like, "Yeah, I can
1:15:53do that." So that he invited me up to
1:15:56the house and I was already kind of
1:15:57hesitant to do it cuz I was like, "There
1:15:58are other people that live here." And I
1:16:00just felt like it was an invasion space.
1:16:02Okay, now listen very carefully to Chris
1:16:04Watt's version of this story and listen
1:16:07to what he has to say beyond just the
1:16:09facts of his story. Listen to what he's
1:16:12telling us it was she wanted that he
1:16:14wanted what she didn't want. How he was
1:16:16afraid things could turn out. And in
1:16:19particular, what I'm most interested in
1:16:21here that I think you should focus on
1:16:23are the questions that Graham Coder
1:16:26asks.
1:16:28>> That wasn't Jay. I was just letting it,
1:16:31you know, exponentially get worse,
1:16:34>> right? And if I told him like, hey,
1:16:38>> he would have been like, whoa, man,
1:16:39like, all right, take a step back and
1:16:40look, right? And like, don't like fall
1:16:43into that trap being you're going to be
1:16:46alone for 5 weeks.
1:16:48And there's times I wish, you know, like
1:16:50maybe Shenan didn't have to go away for
1:16:52five weeks. Maybe we all just went for
1:16:54one week. Yeah. Nothing ever happened.
1:16:57>> Yeah.
1:16:58It's only I mean five weeks alone that's
1:17:00the only reason really that would even
1:17:03almost allowed to happen.
1:17:06>> There are quite a few people who would
1:17:09tell us and who do tell us you need to
1:17:12look into Nikki Moore Nikki Kissinger
1:17:14all the way from the extreme end of
1:17:16things being Nikki's the one who ordered
1:17:18the hit.
1:17:20>> She was there hiding in the basement,
1:17:22>> you know. So the the extreme is she's
1:17:24the one who told Chris to do it. She's
1:17:26the real problem. all the way, that's
1:17:28the extreme side, and then all the way
1:17:29to, well, there were these texts where
1:17:32she was infatuated, she was in love, she
1:17:34was saying how good Chris was in the
1:17:35sack, and maybe we should look at her
1:17:38more. You know, what would you say to
1:17:39those people?
1:17:40>> Like, no, she she had her moments where
1:17:43I had to talk her like off a ledge kind
1:17:45of deal. What does that mean? It's like
1:17:48I guess after the fact there was like
1:17:49videos of her that she was like
1:17:51recording herself because she was like
1:17:52my bowler or something. I never knew
1:17:54that. But there it's like and she would
1:17:58get worked up about nothing. She would
1:18:00just like she came to my house once cuz
1:18:04I think it was like July
1:18:06July 4th. I I didn't have to work that
1:18:09day. So I didn't like get up at like,
1:18:11you know, 4:00 and go home.
1:18:13>> And she called me like
1:18:17and I didn't hear it cuz I was sleeping.
1:18:19I was just like
1:18:21and she was pissed. Shan was Shan was
1:18:24pissed and like I called her outside
1:18:27like where are you at? Like what? Like I
1:18:29was like I didn't have to work today. I
1:18:30was like called me at like you know
1:18:325:30. I was like the kids want to talk
1:18:34to you at 7:30. I'm like like I was
1:18:37sleeping. She's like, she just like, you
1:18:39know, screw you. Like, you know, like, I
1:18:42don't know where you're at. And
1:18:44I went back inside. I got to go. And she
1:18:48was just like, okay. And you come back
1:18:50and like go.
1:18:52>> So, wait a minute. You kind of lost me
1:18:53there. Were you at Nikki's place when
1:18:55Shenan called you?
1:18:56>> Yeah.
1:18:56>> Okay. And so, you were sleeping in her
1:18:58bed.
1:18:58>> Yeah. Cuz I wasn't going to work that
1:19:00day because I didn't have to that day.
1:19:01the first holiday I ever had off and you
1:19:04know she she pissed and you know kind of
1:19:07pissed Nikki off too that I just that I
1:19:09left but I think that's when she uh I'd
1:19:12call Nikki later and she was like you
1:19:14know she kind of realized that you know
1:19:17she'd always be like you know the second
1:19:19second she said second pill
1:19:22>> and because that's how I would come that
1:19:24day just you know I don't want to be
1:19:26anywhere else when she calls she was
1:19:28already pissed so
1:19:30>> it was stuff like that where she would
1:19:32like she would go
1:19:34she she said she would go on like uh
1:19:37websites and look at like will a
1:19:40relationship work with somebody like
1:19:42will a mistress work will a mistress
1:19:44turn into a relationship that's what she
1:19:46was looking at she would tell you that
1:19:48or
1:19:49>> okay
1:19:49>> yeah she said that she would go on
1:19:50websites and look at stuff like that
1:19:52just to I was like why do you even look
1:19:53at stuff like that she like I just want
1:19:55to see other people with experience
1:19:57>> but like so that confuses me though
1:19:58because I thought earlier you saying she
1:20:02thought you were heading toward a
1:20:03divorce. So why was she looking at
1:20:05herself at this?
1:20:06>> This was this was later on.
1:20:08>> Oh, like you know in August like first
1:20:11we go August when I told her like you
1:20:12know I had to have had that talk with
1:20:14her about separation.
1:20:15>> Uhhuh.
1:20:16>> That's when like she started looking at
1:20:17like apartments and stuff but like
1:20:18during our July
1:20:20>> relationship type thing there.
1:20:22>> Oh, I see.
1:20:22>> That's when she was looking up like you
1:20:24know know well it actually works.
1:20:27She told she told her friend Britney
1:20:29about it, I guess. And Britney told her
1:20:31not to do it, but she said she'd already
1:20:33made a decision.
1:20:34>> Okay.
1:20:36And so are those people absolutely wrong
1:20:38about Nikki? She wasn't asking you to
1:20:41get rid of your family?
1:20:42>> No.
1:20:42>> Are you sure?
1:20:44>> Okay. And no part of any of this was
1:20:46because she put it in your head or asked
1:20:49you to or you never I mean this whole
1:20:52this whole relationship contributed to
1:20:54it.
1:20:54>> Sure. But she never it never she didn't
1:20:58want to.
1:20:58>> I mean, was it ever like I wish you
1:21:00didn't have kids. I want to have, you
1:21:01know, kids of my own with you. Like,
1:21:04>> she wants I mean, she never knew if she
1:21:05wanted to have kids, but she said that,
1:21:08you know, at one point she said, "I'd
1:21:10like to give you a son."
1:21:11>> Some main points I gather from that
1:21:13excerpt are Nicole Kessinger's complete
1:21:16intolerance of Shannan Watts, of Shannan
1:21:19Watts period, and definitely Shannan
1:21:21Watts being in Chris's life. and really
1:21:25the whole family being part of Chris's
1:21:27life, but particularly Shenan.
1:21:31Also, Nicole Kessinger explicitly tells
1:21:34Chris she wants to give him a first son.
1:21:38We know that she knew that Shannan was
1:21:42pregnant with Chris's child from the
1:21:44very beginning.
1:21:46And there's a 50/50% chance that child
1:21:48was going to be a boy. So, what about
1:21:50that? And the information that we've
1:21:53recently learned is that it can be
1:21:56confirmed and
1:21:58relied upon to know that Nicole
1:22:00Kessinger, not only did she know that
1:22:02she now was pregnant with Chris's child,
1:22:04she was not okay with it.
1:22:07Also,
1:22:09Nicole Kessinger, she's afraid she's
1:22:11going to be second fiddle. She doesn't
1:22:12want to be second fiddle. Well, you
1:22:14know, honey, you're having an affair
1:22:16with a married man. That's what you are,
1:22:17and that's what you always will be.
1:22:21Also, we get a general idea of Nicole
1:22:24Kzinger's great instability in life. And
1:22:27this is something that most people would
1:22:28know if you've been following the case,
1:22:29just from what she says in her behavior.
1:22:32But this is a conclusion that Chris
1:22:34Watts, I guess, came to and can explain
1:22:36it from a firsthand perspective.
1:22:39And I think it's very interesting that
1:22:41this story, he says, he starts it out by
1:22:44saying sometimes she needed to be talked
1:22:46down from a ledge. Well,
1:22:50as it goes, apparently Shannan Watt's
1:22:53final Facebook post, those three posts
1:22:57that were posted on Sunday, June 12th,
1:23:00are what pushed Nicole Kessinger off
1:23:02that ledge. The point of no return. And
1:23:06that's when she delivered Chris Watts an
1:23:08ultimatum. It's me or your family.
1:23:16>> There are quite a few people who would
1:23:18tell us and who do tell us, you need to
1:23:21look into Nikki Moore, Nikki Kissinger,
1:23:24all the way from the extreme end of
1:23:25things being Nikki's the one who ordered
1:23:27the hit.
1:23:29>> She was there hiding in the basement.
1:23:31>> Yeah.
1:23:32>> You know, so the the extreme is she's
1:23:34the one who told Chris to do it. She's
1:23:35the real problem. All the way that's the
1:23:37extreme side. And then all the way to
1:23:39well, there were these texts where she
1:23:41was infatuated. She was in love. She was
1:23:43saying how good Chris was in the SAG and
1:23:46maybe we should look at her more. You
1:23:47know, what would you say to those
1:23:48people?
1:23:52But like, so that confuses me though
1:23:53because I thought earlier you were
1:23:56saying she thought you were heading
1:23:58toward a divorce.
1:24:03And so are those people absolutely wrong
1:24:06about Nikki? She wasn't asking you to
1:24:08get rid of your family? No.

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