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0:00I think if you use a GLP-1 correctly,
0:03>> Mhm.
0:04>> it's my favorite tool in my toolbox.
0:06>> Yeah.
0:07>> Because we have so much safety data. I
0:09had a patient with chronic pelvic pain.
0:11She had given birth to two kids, and she
0:13was doing pelvic floor physical therapy,
0:15and she just had this chronic pelvic
0:16pain. She could not walk.
0:17>> Mhm.
0:18>> She was like, "Every time I walk, I'm in
0:19so much pain."
0:20We microdosed, and I'm talking like 0.25
0:23mg of a GLP-1.
0:25>> Mhm.
0:25>> And I was really I'm like she she was a
0:28you know, a
0:29normal girl.
0:30>> Yeah.
0:30>> Normal woman, normal body type, but I
0:32was like, "You're not going to lose
0:33[music] muscle.
0:34>> Yeah.
0:34>> You're going to eat the nutrition that
0:35you need to eat."
0:36>> Yep.
0:36>> We did the protein goals. She put on
0:39muscle,
0:40and her pain went away. Welcome to Glo
0:41Lab. We're going to have a lot of fun
0:43and learn a lot together.
0:46Peptide injections are really popular,
0:47especially on social media. But, I think
0:49it's really important to know that they
0:51are experimental. There aren't a lot of
0:53human studies, and [music] where you're
0:54getting it really matters. That's why my
0:57guest today is Mimi Deal. She is a
0:58board-certified nurse practitioner.
1:00[music] She's also the founder of Rebel
1:01Wellness here in Miami, where she really
1:03focuses on functional health, especially
1:05for women. I happen to be one of her
1:06patients, and I go to her because I have
1:09autoimmune diseases like my Hashimoto's,
1:11and I also work with her on my hormones.
1:13And one aspect that we work together on
1:15is peptide injections, and whether I
1:16actually need them or not. So, I really
1:18think this is an informational
1:19conversation for anyone that is
1:21considering peptide injections, because
1:23there's a lot to know about them. Mimi.
1:25>> Hi.
1:25>> Second time back.
1:27>> [laughter]
1:28>> You guys, this is one of my favorite
1:30people ever ever. I've been working with
1:33her for an entire year now, ever since
1:35you came onto the podcast, and we've
1:36been working on just like I mean,
1:37everything. We look at everything that's
1:39going on with my body.
1:40>> Everything.
1:41>> Yeah.
1:41>> Inside out. Like, it's so important to
1:43look at the whole picture. And you're
1:45very health knowledgeable. So, when I
1:47work with patients who know different
1:48things that are out there, like you send
1:50me things on Instagram, and I think you
1:51send me different peptides, and
1:53different
1:53>> waiting for me sometimes to send you
1:54something that you've already launched.
1:56Yeah.
1:56>> I'm like, "How many patients are going
1:57to send me this? I love it so much. But
1:59I love it because it opens the
2:00conversation. And patients nowadays,
2:02like I hate to say this, but it's true.
2:05The medical industry has changed.
2:07Whether you're going to a hospital or
2:10small offices, they're businesses. The
2:12big hospitals are businesses, the small
2:13offices are still businesses, and you as
2:15a patient need to be an educated
2:17consumer. In the same way you research
2:19your blush, your mascara, who's going to
2:21go color your hair, research who you're
2:23going to go see.
2:24>> Yeah. For sure, especially for today's
2:26topic because we are talking about
2:27specifically injectable peptides.
2:30>> Yes.
2:30>> Which is funny because last time we had
2:31you on the podcast, we talked more about
2:33like menopause and overall women's
2:35health, like functional health. But this
2:37topic I feel like over the last year has
2:39really exploded because I asked you
2:40about it and you're like, well, it's
2:42still experimental, like it's hard to
2:43get them sometimes, the you know, like
2:45there were all these like challenges.
2:47But now it suddenly it feels like you
2:48can get them anywhere.
2:50>> Well, that's the dangerous thing, to be
2:51honest. So, we touched on NAD last time.
2:54And that we could do a whole episode on,
2:56but in general peptides, what happened
2:59was that peptides are old medicine.
3:01Insulin is a peptide. Oxytocin, the
3:03hormone that you release when you have
3:05an orgasm, when you have a contraction,
3:08that's a peptide. Peptides are basically
3:10First, I want to start by saying like,
3:11what is a peptide, right? Yeah. So,
3:12peptides are amino acids. Amino acids,
3:16think of them as letters in the
3:17alphabet. Then, when amino acids come
3:20together, they form a peptide, which is
3:22a word. And then, when you have a lot of
3:24words together, you get a sentence or a
3:26protein. So, many many uh peptides
3:28become a protein. So, that's what a
3:29peptide is. A peptide is an amino acid,
3:32and it sends a message to your body.
3:34>> Right.
3:34>> Your body naturally makes peptides. We
3:37produce 300 peptides. Insulin is a
3:40life-saving peptide. GLP-1, semaglutide,
3:43Ozempic, Mounjaro, tirzepatide, all
3:45peptides. So, peptides have been around
3:47for a while. They've also been used in
3:50off-label ways. So, like bodybuilders
3:53kind of started using them first
3:55experimentally in themselves.
3:56>> I actually think of it's for me, it was
3:58bodybuilders who started talking to me
4:00about peptides. It was a lot of like
4:02when I was working out with my personal
4:04trainers and all that and I would say to
4:05them like, "Why aren't I growing muscles
4:07faster?" Or, you know, like, "Why do I
4:10Why do I feel so weak?" Or like, "How do
4:11I get like a more, you know, like
4:13voluminous body over the next 2 months
4:15and stuff?" And they would say, "Well,
4:17you know that this person that you're
4:18showing me on Instagram is likely on
4:20some kind of a peptide.
4:21>> Yeah.
4:22>> Right?
4:22>> So, they started. Like, I I think they
4:24started with the bodybuilding world,
4:25right? Kind of like the way that things
4:27were secret, black market, you know,
4:29like behind the scenes your trainer
4:30would give them to you, whatever, you
4:31know, like there was less regulation.
4:33Then there was like a popularity that
4:36came out. Yeah, peptides became more
4:37popular. With that popularity, grifters
4:39came into the world and they started
4:41saying like,
4:42"Yes, I can make money off of a person.
4:44I can tell them that this is the
4:46end-all, be-all, that, "Oh my gosh, with
4:47this peptide you are going to have the
4:48tightest ass you've ever had. I'm going
4:50to give you this mister morlin your butt
4:52will bounce like it's never bounced,
4:54right? Like it's going to be amazing.
4:55>> Yep.
4:56>> But what happens is
4:57people who look at peptides like that
4:59are selling you a lie.
5:00>> I do want to throw out there, I have
5:02been on different peptides. And the
5:03first time I ever got on injectable
5:05peptides was with one of my personal
5:07trainers in the past. And that was
5:09because I had complained about not
5:11growing muscle. But then when I met you
5:12and we started talking about like HRT
5:14and everything, it, you know, it turned
5:16out it could also be something like, I
5:18mean, women just don't naturally
5:20>> It's hard to grow muscle.
5:20>> muscle, right? And so and so we started
5:23talking about like hormone replacement
5:25therapy and everything too is another
5:26way to to really build your muscle. So,
5:29I do want to point out there are
5:30different ways to do that. But something
5:32I think that was really interesting in
5:34working with you, you've always been
5:35very, I guess, methodical about it and
5:37thoughtful about peptides. Like if I
5:39bring up a peptide to Mimi, you're kind
5:41of like, "No, well, let's talk about
5:43what could be the side effects of this?"
5:45Or, you know, like issues when we need
5:46to make sure we do your labs to make
5:48sure that you're okay to do this because
5:50you know, there there could be things
5:51that happen. So can we talk about that a
5:53little bit?
5:53>> Absolutely. So when it comes to peptides
5:55and I think this is how you're going to
5:56know if you're working with a
5:57responsible peptide provider. We look at
5:59them in terms of systems. Like whenever
6:02someone asks me about a peptide, I say
6:03what what are we going to do with it?
6:05Like what's the purpose? Are we working
6:06on metabolism? Are we working on, you
6:09know, weights, body composition, muscle
6:11building? Are we working on your immune
6:13health? What what are we working on?
6:15Right? So like let's pick like our goal.
6:18And then we have to do labs. I firmly
6:20believe we have to do labs because
6:22a lot of these peptides, we only have
6:25animal studies and we only have in vitro
6:28studies, meaning in a test tube, in a
6:30little petri dish, right?
6:31>> dish, right? Or it's not an actual
6:33human. It's just seeing what it does to
6:34cells that sit inside a petri dish,
6:36right? Which is like so powerful.
6:39>> But that doesn't always translate.
6:40Right. So then we say, okay, this is
6:42going to be an N of one, a study of one.
6:45Because I do believe medicine is
6:46personalized. There is no other human
6:49being on this planet like you. Right?
6:51Right? Like you are just you and there's
6:53no one like you. I feel like Dr. Seuss
6:54every time I say it, right? So
6:56I'm going to look at your labs. I'm
6:58going to say, what is your personal
7:00history?
7:01>> Yeah.
7:01>> Do you have a history of cancer? Because
7:03then unfortunately, you're probably not
7:05going to be a candidate for a lot of
7:06peptides that would stimulate growth.
7:09Like some popular ones you hear on
7:11social media are BPC 157, okay? That's
7:14body protective compound 157. And that
7:17one, we really have minimal human
7:19studies on.
7:20>> Mhm.
7:21>> It's one of the most popular ones. I
7:22think it's because it's really benign in
7:25what it could do if it was bad. What we
7:27do see of the good is good.
7:28>> What's the good?
7:29>> It's anecdotal. So it's
7:30anti-inflammatory potentially.
7:31>> Okay.
7:32>> It's made in our gut.
7:33>> Oh.
7:33>> BPC is a peptide that we produce
7:35naturally in our gut.
7:36>> Okay.
7:36>> And now there's actually a a clinical
7:39trial going on in China
7:41>> Okay.
7:41>> for some muscle injury, I can't remember
7:44the exact specifics. There's also
7:46another small, not a perfect trial that
7:48was done here in the US by a physician
7:50here in the US, a small study where he
7:52injected BPC into patients' knees who
7:55were complaining of knee pain, and they
7:57reported improvement of pain.
7:58>> Okay.
7:58>> Then we have animal studies.
8:00>> Right.
8:01>> I personally have used BPC on myself.
8:02>> Okay. How have you used it?
8:04>> Yes.
8:04>> Okay.
8:05>> [laughter]
8:06>> I can't even remember at this point.
8:07>> You have. So, I personally think about
8:09how I use it very intentionally, very
8:11carefully. So, I'm going to go on to
8:13Glow Stack, and then we'll talk about
8:14how I used it.
8:15>> Right. That's when I used it.
8:16>> You did Glow Stack post-op.
8:18>> Mhm.
8:18>> So, I use Glow Glow Stack post-op
8:20because the mechanism behind why we're
8:23using it is what matters here. And we
8:25know in a conversation that we had very
8:28openly that, look, this is not going to
8:30replace you eating
8:32really well post-op.
8:33>> Mhm.
8:34>> It's not going to replace you sleeping
8:35post-op, op, recovering. You know, you
8:37can't just go run right after. No, you
8:39have to rest, recover. You have to do
8:40like the hyperbaric, the red light, all
8:42the things, but this is a tool. And so,
8:44the combination of something called BPC
8:46157, TB4, or sometimes the synthetic is
8:49TB5, thymosin beta 4, that's also
8:52another healing peptide. It helps with
8:54kind of the way that wounds close.
8:57>> Mhm.
8:57>> And then GHK-Cu, which I know you're
8:59familiar with GHK-Cu.
9:00>> Exactly, the copper peptide, which is
9:02very well studied in skin. You use it in
9:04your multi-peptide serum.
9:05>> I use copper I love copper peptides.
9:08>> I've used it. I bought it. I was like, I
9:09got to try this one.
9:10>> The peptide serum I put on.
9:11>> So, but what what GHK-Cu does, which is
9:13amazing, it has it has antioxidant
9:15properties. It helps kind of
9:17potentially, I have to say potentially,
9:19help the way that scars form to be
9:21flatter for my patients who are post-op,
9:23who don't have a cancer history. I say
9:26we can use this as an adjunct tool.
9:28>> Mhm.
9:29>> And what sets the way I do it apart is
9:32that we will do labs. We make sure you
9:34don't have a cancer history. In some
9:35patients, I'll do even a blood test to
9:37make sure they don't have any cancer
9:38cells growing. And we'll even do vitamin
9:41levels because if you're on the glow
9:42stack, it has copper. Copper impacts
9:44zinc. And so we need to make sure your
9:45zinc levels are okay so that we don't
9:47deplete them further or we can make sure
9:49to supplement well. And then we we put
9:52you on them for a short precise period
9:54of time.
9:55>> Right.
9:55>> It's not like you're indefinitely on
9:57indefinitely on this peptide. You're on
9:58it for a short precise amount of time
10:01with a target in mind. Post-op healing.
10:04>> What I see on Instagram is people on
10:06GHK-Cu every single day just because for
10:08fun, and I'm like, "Mm, there's a cutoff
10:09day here." Like you are not going to be
10:10on this forever.
10:11>> Well, you know, the and the other thing,
10:12you know, I've actually had somebody
10:14give me um GHK-Cu like a couple years
10:18ago just on its own, and I I took it for
10:20like two, three days, and I was like,
10:22"This burns."
10:23>> Burns so bad, right?
10:24>> Yeah, it like on its own, and I actually
10:25when you had mentioned the glow stack
10:26and I looked at the peptides, that was
10:28the first thing I said. I was like, "Is
10:29this going to hurt?" Cuz I stopped
10:30taking it because I didn't like it. But
10:33what I like about your process is you're
10:34combining the peptides or like you're
10:36you're suggesting like a stack so that
10:38they're actually working to complement
10:40each other and actually give you some
10:41sort of benefit or potentially give you
10:42that benefit that you're looking for.
10:44Whereas like what I am finding with a
10:46lot of these people who don't really
10:47understand the mechanisms behind these
10:50peptides, they're just saying like,
10:51"This one gives you a glow. It helps
10:52your skin. This one does this." And so
10:54you might just be getting piecemeal.
10:55Like it's like, "Yeah, they're just
10:56giving you a peptide to start
10:58injecting."
10:58>> And the really important part here is
11:01sourcing.
11:01>> Mhm.
11:02>> Where are the peptides being sourced
11:03from?
11:04>> Right.
11:04>> So
11:06it's a legal gray area, and it's always
11:08a challenge, but I think things are
11:10going to change. What I hear down the
11:11rumor mill is that a lot of the peptides
11:13are on something called a category two
11:15do not compound list.
11:16>> Okay.
11:16>> There are certain states that have
11:17exemptions and are able to produce it.
11:19>> Mhm.
11:20>> Okay? And so these do not compound
11:22lists, basically it means that
11:24compounding pharmacies can't make it.
11:25>> Right.
11:26>> So if a compounding pharmacy can't make
11:27it, then you're going to get get it from
11:29a gray market, right? Or some research
11:31place. I am very meticulous about
11:33sourcing and I think as a consumer you
11:35need to be aware and say, "Hey, where
11:37are you getting this peptide from?" You
11:38can still source it from a 503A
11:40pharmacy.
11:41>> Okay.
11:41>> There are stipulations and things, but
11:43why do I say get it from an a 503A
11:45pharmacy versus research-based pharmacy
11:48or research grade pharmacies? Because
11:50these 503A pharmacies are being
11:52inspected.
11:53>> Mhm.
11:54>> They are They have to send them out and
11:56you can ask like is there third-party
11:57testing? Do you have certificates of
12:00authenticity? And I have people like on
12:02Instagram and they're like, "Oh, I I
12:03have a certificate of authenticity from
12:05this research pharmacy." And I'm like,
12:06"But how do you know they didn't make it
12:07on Canva?"
12:08>> Right.
12:09>> Like how do you know it's legit?
12:10>> Yeah.
12:10>> How do you know the testing is there?
12:11And I just think it's really risky and
12:14really gray. So for example, this
12:15morning I got an email
12:16>> Yeah.
12:17>> from a pharmacy
12:17>> Okay.
12:18>> selling me peptides for like basically
12:20something that costs normally like $500
12:23for $45.
12:25>> Interesting.
12:25>> like, "Wow, I mean this is insane. Like
12:27what a what a what a price. Like
12:29>> You're like, "This is like Groupon."
12:31>> like, "What I'm like this can't be
12:32real." I literally was like, "This can't
12:33be real."
12:34So I sent it to my uncle who's a
12:36compound pharmacist and I'm like, "Is
12:38this legit?" And he's like He's very
12:41involved with legislation in the
12:43pharmacy world and he's a compound
12:44pharmacist himself. So he takes his job
12:46very seriously, very responsibly.
12:47>> Mhm.
12:48>> He takes pride in creating medications
12:51for people who need them.
12:52>> Right.
12:53>> So when he sees pharmacies doing this
12:54he's like, "No, these are crazy
12:56pharmacies that are popping up taking
12:57advantage of this desire for peptides
13:01>> Yeah.
13:01>> and monopolizing. And then they'll
13:02disappear then they'll get a slap on the
13:04wrist. They'll make their money and
13:05they'll run.
13:06>> Right.
13:07>> You want a
13:08an established long-standing farm
13:10pharmacy and as a provider I use a 503A
13:12pharmacy and I I know that it might be
13:15like something that people desperately
13:16feel that a peptide is going to make
13:17them feel better.
13:19And there are some that are clinically
13:20studied and FDA approved and that I can
13:22use more flexibly.
13:23>> Right.
13:24>> And I can touch on those in just a
13:25minute.
13:25>> Yeah, we will. Yeah.
13:26>> But it's not worth your health to risk
13:28it on our research-grade peptide. It's
13:30just not.
13:30>> Yeah, I know. And And by the way, do as
13:33I say, not as I do, cuz sometimes I am
13:34willing to be like a like a guinea pig
13:36and stuff. And you know, like I I think
13:38something that people also don't
13:39consider is, you know, when I started
13:41working with you, you started giving me
13:42these itty-bitty
13:44needles.
13:45>> Yeah.
13:45>> my injections, right? That I mean, I
13:47didn't get massive needles from the last
13:49person that was giving me just like
13:50these one-off peptides, you know? But,
13:52they weren't the little bitty ones that
13:54you were giving me. Like they were a
13:55little bit bigger. They're like, you
13:56know, just like you're so thoughtful
13:58about every
13:59>> Yeah.
13:59>> step of the process of any kind of
14:01injectable that I I think people don't
14:03consider that part, either. It's like,
14:05you know, that you're They're just
14:07getting whatever they can get.
14:08>> Right. And I
14:08>> Whereas, you're very specific about what
14:10you want to give your patient.
14:11>> I am. I'm very meticulous. I'm I'm a
14:13little upset. I always say like, I know
14:14I'm a little control freak. I know I'm a
14:15little cuckoo about this, but it's
14:17because I always say like,
14:19safety, patient safety, your safety is
14:20my priority.
14:21>> Yeah.
14:22>> And it should be whenever we're doing
14:23something that's not traditionally the
14:25standard of care, because it's not.
14:27>> Right.
14:27>> So, like there's this one peptide. It's
14:29called Well, there's a few, but like one
14:30in particular, it's called that TA1,
14:33thymosin alpha 1. Thymo- Thymosin alpha
14:351, or TA1. I TA1, TA1. We're just going
14:38to call it TA1. So, there's TA1. And in
14:39other countries, it's approved, and they
14:41use it as an adjunct for like hepatitis,
14:43for cancer. But, here it's not approved.
14:45So, like if you have a patient that's
14:47struggling with like immunity, this is
14:49potentially a tool that you could bring
14:50up to that that I could bring up to
14:51them, and I can say, "Hey, look, you
14:52keep getting sick. Your or your immune
14:54system's garbage. Really, like we need
14:56to bolster this immune system. Let Do
14:58you want to try this?"
14:59>> Yeah.
14:59>> That's been used in Europe, in other
15:01countries, is approved. Obviously, I
15:03talk about all of this with my patients.
15:05But, that's a little bit more more of a
15:07reasonable option, too, because that's
15:09got human studies. Another FDA-approved
15:10peptide that I think is amazing that I'm
15:12actually on right now.
15:13>> You know I'm always on something when
15:14I'm here.
15:14>> I'm like, "I'm trying this one now." Um
15:16it's called SS-31.
15:17>> Okay.
15:17>> Elamipretide. Elamipretide, SS-31.
15:20>> Okay.
15:20>> It's actually FDA-approved
15:22>> Okay.
15:22>> for something called Barth syndrome.
15:24>> Okay.
15:24>> So that's a condition where young boys,
15:27it's a genetic condition in males, they
15:28don't have energy in their cells,
15:29basically. And this was actually studied
15:31and approved in
15:33these young males for energy to their
15:36cells because it allowed them to walk
15:37further and to do more. And this is a
15:40fatal condition.
15:40>> Okay.
15:41>> So granted, I don't use it for patients
15:43with Barth, but I use it for people who
15:45are struggling with long COVID for
15:46fatigue. You know, like if if somebody's
15:49got a lot of fatigue, that is a tool
15:51that I can say, "Hey, your iron's good.
15:53You're eating great. You're sleeping 7
15:54hours, but you still feel like you're
15:56dragging booty? Like let's try SS-31."
15:58And if they are open to trying it, then
16:00we'll try it. So that's one that's FDA
16:01approved.
16:02>> Yeah. Well, you know what I love is that
16:03you're never even with me, you're never
16:05saying like this is for sure going to do
16:07something. You're really just giving
16:08like these are alternative options.
16:10>> Mhm.
16:11>> The you know, like like you just said,
16:13you know, it's not like there's that
16:14many studies on this or like we've only
16:16got animal studies or we've got these,
16:17you know, in vitro studies and stuff,
16:19but like here's something we can try.
16:21And I think that's like the key here is
16:23you don't want to go to somebody who's
16:25going to be like, "No, this is for sure
16:26going to do something for you." Right?
16:27>> Yeah. Yeah, because how do I mean,
16:29listen, I I don't even know for sure
16:32that an antibiotic is going to for sure
16:34knock out your UTI unless I get a
16:35culture and a sensitivity back and then
16:37I know for sure that that antibiotic
16:39will work. I think in medicine we have
16:41to say there's a science and there's an
16:43art and there's the unique person,
16:45right? Peptides are a tool in the the
16:48landscape of your health.
16:50>> Right.
16:50>> But they're not the only tool.
16:52>> And our health is dynamic, right? Like
16:53it's always constantly changing.
16:54Sometimes something does fix or like
16:56temporarily fix something or helps you
16:58through I guess like an issue you're
17:00dealing with, but then you start to
17:02experience something else or like it
17:03needs to change or like you said, you
17:04don't indefinitely stay on these
17:06injectable peptides, right? Let's talk
17:07about some of the I guess popular
17:10peptides starting probably with like the
17:11GLP-1s because people don't realize that
17:14these are a form of injectable peptides
17:16that are actually approved and widely
17:17used right now.
17:18>> Yeah. Yeah, and GLP-1s were first
17:19approved for diabetes. They were not
17:21approved for weight loss.
17:23>> Mhm.
17:24>> And that's an off-label use. Yeah, and
17:25they started being used off-label for
17:27weight loss.
17:27>> Mhm.
17:28>> Which is probably the most popular way
17:29it's being used at this time.
17:30>> amazing though. I mean, I think if you
17:34use a GLP-1
17:36correctly,
17:36>> Mhm.
17:37>> it's my favorite tool in my toolbox
17:39because we have so much safety data.
17:41>> Mhm.
17:41>> I had a patient with chronic pelvic
17:43pain. She had given birth to two kids
17:46and she was doing pelvic floor physical
17:47therapy and she just had this chronic
17:48pelvic pain. She could not walk.
17:50>> Mhm.
17:51>> She was like, "Every time I walk, I'm in
17:51so much pain."
17:53We microdosed and I'm talking like 0.25
17:56mg of a GLP-1.
17:58>> Mhm.
17:58>> And I was really I'm like she she was a
18:01you know, a
18:02normal girl.
18:02>> Yeah.
18:03>> A normal woman, normal body type, but I
18:05was like, "You're not going to lose
18:06muscle.
18:06>> Yeah.
18:07>> You're going to eat the nutrition that
18:08you need to eat.
18:09>> Yep.
18:09>> We did the protein goals. She put on
18:11muscle
18:12and her pain went away.
18:13>> That's because it has anti-inflammatory
18:15>> It has anti-inflammatory properties. So,
18:17it potentially has anti-inflammatory
18:18properties. A lot of patients will
18:20report that they feel less puffy, less
18:22bloated, and there are some diuretic
18:24properties there too. So, one thing that
18:27I don't think people realize is when
18:28you're on a GLP-1, you need to still
18:30hydrate and you have to push hydration.
18:32I had an actually really interesting
18:33thing because GLP-1s work in the brain
18:35and they work in the gut.
18:36>> Mhm.
18:36>> Right? So, they work in the brain to
18:37kind of say, "Hey, impulses of hunger or
18:40or, you know, emotional eating and these
18:42type of things slow down." And they work
18:44in the gut to slow down digestion and
18:45they potentially tell your body, "Hey,
18:46we need to produce insulin or we don't."
18:48So, they work in that way. But, it can
18:50actually have like a counter effect,
18:52right? So, if you're a person who really
18:53really loves eating and the joy of food,
18:56I had one patient who was like, "I don't
18:57want to be on a GLP-1 anymore." And we
18:58were on a microdose and she was like, "I
19:00don't want to be on a GLP-1 anymore. It
19:01made me sad."
19:02>> Oh, we don't
19:04>> Yeah.
19:04>> And I was like, "Get off that
19:05immediately. We will find another way to
19:07manage inflammation." Because she was
19:09like, "I just don't feel like that
19:10excitement that I would get when I would
19:12go out to eat and and I'm talking like
19:13we were on a baby dose.
19:14>> Yeah.
19:15>> But
19:15>> I'm like if that's like part of being
19:17alive too and like we chase longevity
19:19and we want health span and lifespan but
19:21like we need to live.
19:22>> Yeah.
19:23>> And if food brings joy, we have to
19:25>> Yeah, for sure. Well, you know what's
19:26interesting? So so throwing out there
19:28also that you got me on tirzepatide but
19:31microdosing but the conversation we had
19:33and I think that people had these
19:34experiences, right? I had said that one
19:36time for like a month a while back I had
19:39like a friend who's a nurse practitioner
19:41give me a semaglutide it was probably
19:42like old school Ozempic.
19:44>> Yeah.
19:44>> And I felt she gave me too much. I felt
19:47super sick on it. I hated it. I was like
19:49I'm never going to do this again. And
19:50then you're like, but first off
19:52tirzepatide.
19:53>> Yes.
19:54>> [laughter]
19:54>> And you were like and microdosing it cuz
19:56I was like I don't want to necessarily
19:57lose weight. I don't want to lose
19:58muscle. I don't want to feel like again
20:01cuz I also enjoy food and eating and
20:02stuff and just also like feeding my body
20:04after working out and everything. And I
20:06had said that like when I was on the on
20:08the Ozempic it just made me feel like I
20:10didn't have energy. I felt nauseous. It
20:13almost felt like I was pregnant. Like
20:15that first trimester of pregnancy where
20:16you're just nauseous and sick and even
20:18though you're supposed to be eating
20:19protein I was eating bread.
20:20>> Yeah, yeah.
20:21>> What's happening here? Yeah.
20:23>> And so I was like that I was like
20:24worried about that happening if I ever
20:25microdosed
20:27any other kind of GLP-1 and then you you
20:29were like just try it for your
20:31inflammation.
20:31>> Yeah.
20:32>> I think it's a really common thing that
20:34I actually see is patients that have a
20:35little PTSD from being started on too
20:38high of a dose. So
20:39the FDA starting dose of semaglutide is
20:410.25 for semaglutide and 2.5 mg for
20:44tirzepatide. I will start my patients
20:46significantly lower that than that
20:48sometimes at 0.5 mg for tirzepatide.
20:52I'm not telling you this to experiment
20:53on yourself.
20:53>> No.
20:54>> 0.5 mg of tirzepatide to 1 mg and then I
20:57would rather them say to me, I don't
20:59really feel anything.
21:00>> Yeah.
21:00>> But I'll monitor their body composition.
21:02>> Yeah.
21:03>> And I personally microdose a GLP-1.
21:05>> Yeah.
21:05>> I found for my undiagnosed autoimmune
21:08whatever I have going on, it helps me so
21:09much with my joint pain.
21:10>> Yeah.
21:11>> And I will say that I think people have
21:14to be careful because growing up when at
21:16a time when skinny was in,
21:18>> Mhm.
21:19>> like
21:20stick skinny was like the only way to be
21:22and having a big booty girl is sorry.
21:23>> we should be honest and like admit that
21:25like with especially with the uprise of
21:27like GLP-1s, yeah.
21:28>> Yeah.
21:29>> Everybody actually, no matter what with
21:31body positivity and everything, we can
21:33see how people just immediately fall
21:35right back into I just want to be a
21:37skinny
21:37>> Right. And I think like so so definitely
21:39like you got to worry about people's
21:40mentality and like the psychology behind
21:42it and not and make sure that they're
21:43not going to go off the deep end.
21:45>> And I'm I'm vigilant of that because I
21:48want and what I tell everybody is I get
21:50it, skinny is kind of trending again.
21:52>> Mhm.
21:52>> But I don't want you to be skinny.
21:53>> Yeah.
21:54>> Because what happens when a big booty's
21:55back in again?
21:56>> Yeah.
21:57>> It will come back. Everything comes
21:58back.
21:58>> never go out of style.
21:59>> right? Like so
21:59>> Like the massive ones, fine, out of
22:01style. But like a healthy juicy butt
22:03>> Yeah, like we love the booty, right? So
22:05I'm like, I want you to be a strong old
22:07lady. Like I want you to be 80 80 90 100
22:11and be super strong. Yeah, like guns,
22:14you know, booty, like feel like you're
22:16not falling off of a toilet seat. And so
22:18we can still do that with GLP-1s.
22:20>> And I love that you pointed out that
22:21like you want people to almost be like
22:23it's not like I don't feel anything.
22:25I'll throw out there like with the
22:26tirzepatide, felt nothing cuz it's such
22:27a small dose and I think like you told
22:29me to do it like weekly, but I think
22:30like at this point cuz I travel so much
22:32and stuff, I don't want to take it with
22:33me. So I'll do it like every 2 weeks or
22:35something like that. And it's like the
22:35smallest amount. It's so such a small
22:37amount that even when I I I like think
22:39about this every time I put the the
22:40needle into like pull a little bit out,
22:42it's like boop. It's like a little like
22:43boop.
22:44And then boop, like it just feels like a
22:46like it's just very little, but I do
22:48overall feel better. Like actually, this
22:50is really the only thing I'm doing right
22:51now. I had been on the Glow Stack and
22:53we'll talk about that next. And then you
22:54got me on the microdosing of tirzepatide
22:56and I have to say like people are always
22:58like, what's your immune system? Like
22:59what are you you're for your immune
23:00system that you're traveling so much to
23:02all these different countries, all these
23:04different time zones, and then you get
23:06back and you're like not sick. And
23:08honestly, I just think it's the
23:09tirzepatide.
23:09>> I think it helps with the immune system,
23:11too. I mean, there's anti-cancer studies
23:13on it. Like, there's a lot of benefits
23:15to GLP-1s. And so, I think it's just in
23:18the way that you use it. And
23:20truly, muscle is the organ of longevity.
23:22>> Yep.
23:22>> Like, I
23:23>> 100%.
23:24>> So, we don't want to lose that. So, we
23:26have to work really intentionally. And
23:27I'm not going to lie, like, with your
23:28travel schedule, sometimes I think, "Oh
23:29my god, I want to put Susan on this."
23:30Or, "I want to put her on that."
23:31>> Yeah.
23:31>> And
23:32And like, I have so many ideas. But, you
23:33don't need it.
23:34>> Yeah.
23:34>> So, if you don't need it,
23:35>> Yeah.
23:36>> it's a tool.
23:36>> And you know that I'm going to come to
23:37you with questions. I'm going to be
23:38like, "Hey, I'm feeling this way." But,
23:40like, lately, I mean, a year of working
23:42with Mimi, you guys, I feel amazing. I
23:43want to talk about some of the most
23:44popular peptides. Um, the glow stack is
23:47probably one of them. But, you actually
23:48you keep mentioning NAD. And I And I do
23:50want to talk about that really quickly,
23:52just touch on it. Because NAD, I think,
23:54is one of those injectables that like
23:55got really popular fast. Um, and I
23:58remember talking to you about it. And
24:00you weren't anti-NAD. You're like,
24:02"Let's try it." But, you also were had
24:03it like an opinion about it because the
24:05information about it's constantly
24:06changing. So, let's talk about it.
24:07>> I still have an opinion about NAD. So,
24:09NAD is not a peptide. It's a coenzyme,
24:11right? And we make NAD in our bodies.
24:14And as we age, it declines. Right. NAD
24:16is great. But, what people don't realize
24:18is that you need other vitamins to
24:21support the production of NAD.
24:22>> Right.
24:23>> You need B12. You need folate. There's
24:25like a whole I could show you the
24:27videos. There's like a whole organic
24:28chemistry course that we have to take
24:30>> Okay.
24:30>> potentially. Like, there's a lot that
24:32goes beyond just NAD. And we need a lot
24:34in order to produce NAD.
24:35>> Mhm.
24:36>> So, people are pushing doing NAD, NAD,
24:37NAD. But, the problem is that there's no
24:39nuance behind it. That they're just
24:41giving NAD. And they're not looking at
24:43the person's health picture.
24:45>> Mhm.
24:45>> So, if you don't like, potentially give
24:48NAD with B12 or folate or something
24:50called betaine, then it could
24:52potentially cause an increase in
24:54something called homocysteine. And then,
24:56that increase in homocysteine is related
24:58to not causes but related to negative
25:01cardiac outcomes.
25:02>> Okay.
25:03>> So we need to be careful. And people
25:04will say, "Oh my gosh, I got this NAD
25:05infusion. I felt so sick. It must be
25:08working."
25:09>> It must be working. It must be working.
25:11>> And I'm like, "Well,
25:13>> Yeah.
25:13>> actually what happened was that the NAD
25:16can sometimes have a a vasodilatory
25:18effect, meaning it opens up your blood
25:19vessels. And so your heart rate
25:21increases and your blood pressure drops
25:23and you feel like garbage.
25:24>> Yeah.
25:24>> There are places and cases and I know
25:26clinicians who use NAD for long COVID
25:28patients, for Parkinson's patients and
25:30they use it for a lot of people. And I
25:32will still use NAD. Like if I have a
25:34cocktail, which I really do but if I do,
25:36the day after, I'll do an NAD shot
25:38because alcohol can deplete your NAD
25:40levels.
25:40>> Right.
25:41>> So I'm more like, let's intentionally
25:43use this NAD.
25:44>> What is the difference between injecting
25:46it with just like a needle? The
25:48infusions, like the IV infusions cuz I I
25:50hear people say all this all the time
25:51that they're doing an IV infusion of it
25:53this week or something and I'm like, how
25:55is that going to help them if they're
25:56not doing it like on a daily or weekly
25:58basis with injectables, right? With the
26:00injection. And then there's also
26:01obviously the supplements, right? That
26:03you can actually just orally take. Is
26:05there a difference or do we not know?
26:07>> So there is a difference. It also
26:08depends on the peptide. Okay, so let's
26:10start with NAD.
26:11>> Mhm.
26:12>> NAD itself as an oral molecule is too
26:14big and your digestive enzymes will
26:16break it down.
26:17>> Okay.
26:18>> So NAD itself orally
26:21trash. Right, trash. NMN and NR, these
26:24are precursors to NAD and your body
26:26converts them. And they're actually very
26:28very well studied in humans, NMN and NR.
26:31And so those orally
26:33>> But probably with a whole stack of other
26:36nutrients and vitamins to
26:36>> probably want to do like something with
26:38betaine, B12, folate but also you want
26:41to check your labs because how's your
26:43B12? How's your folate? Like, you know?
26:45So that's NAD. And then if you do an
26:47injection, it's not so aggressive. So
26:49anytime you you something through an IV,
26:51it's going to feel more potent, right?
26:53It's going straight into the vein. When
26:55you do an injection into your
26:56subcutaneous fat, you're almost creating
26:58like a little bleb in the fat that
27:01slowly disperses over time.
27:03>> Okay.
27:04>> I'm a slow and steady kind of girl.
27:05Yeah. The turtle won the race anyways,
27:07you know, we're going to get there. So,
27:08let's get there with tranquility
27:11and not palpitations, you
27:12>> Right. Right. Right.
27:13>> Then BPC 157, that one's made in the
27:15gut. Right. So, that's a really cool
27:17peptide because that one orally you can
27:19take it and the digestive juices don't
27:21really break it down.
27:22>> Okay.
27:23>> That's a really interesting peptide that
27:25potentially could be used in patients
27:27with like H. pylori, celiacs, uh like
27:30stomach issues
27:31>> Okay.
27:31>> because it reduces inflammation. And so,
27:33like when you have an inflammatory gut
27:34condition, again sourcing matters,
27:37that is a potential peptide that could
27:38be beneficial that you can take orally.
27:40Okay. But, if you are dealing with like
27:42a torn ligament or a knee injury, then
27:45we're going to inject that peptide. And
27:47there are even some practitioners
27:48>> Like locally, like where it's hurting
27:49at?
27:50>> like, you know, I have a best friend and
27:52she pulled her knee. She was like a
27:53nothing and she pulled her knee and we
27:54did a round of BPC on her knee
27:56and she felt better. She didn't have to
27:58get surgery. I mean, maybe she will need
28:00to eventually, but it did delay it. Now,
28:03the question always comes up, is this
28:04placebo or is this real life? To which I
28:05say, if it works, who cares?
28:08>> Right.
28:09>> Like truly, you feel better. The mind is
28:11powerful. If you this tool allowed your
28:13mind to help you heal, then I think
28:14that's still a win. But, I guess it
28:16depends.
28:16>> Yeah.
28:17>> Then there's other peptides that so it
28:19that you can't do orally because they'll
28:21break down.
28:21>> Okay. So, it really is kind of dependent
28:23on each of these peptides or coenzymes
28:25or everything.
28:26>> Yeah. And NAD itself is just a really
28:28big molecule. There's even the theory of
28:30like it's so big, even if you inject
28:32NAD, does it really raise your plasma
28:34levels of NAD? And that's a question
28:36mark. But, there's now a conversation
28:38around something called CD38 and CD38
28:42actually degrades or breaks down your
28:44NAD. So, if If can come up with
28:45something that says to CD38, "Hey, stop
28:48breaking down NAD." then we can
28:49naturally boost NAD levels.
28:51>> Mhm.
28:52>> another cool tool. We just don't have
28:53that yet.
28:53>> Yeah. You know, you bring up another
28:55point of like why it's important to work
28:57with a real practitioner like you, like
28:59a medical practitioner, while you're
29:00doing any of these types of injectables
29:02and it's because the the information is
29:04constantly changing, especially as it
29:05becomes more popular. Like you saying
29:07that now there's a study happening in
29:08China with these peptides and stuff.
29:10It's like it's obviously becoming more
29:11popular. There might be more studies
29:13that come out. More information will
29:14absolutely come out, whether it's good
29:16or bad information, as everything
29:18changes and it's it's really important
29:20to have someone like you to keep your
29:22patients informed about stuff that
29:24they're taking, right?
29:25>> Yeah.
29:26>> So.
29:26>> Oh, and now you just made me remember
29:27TB4. There's actually a study um in dry
29:30eyes, so eye drops that you can
29:32potentially use for dry eyes and that's
29:33a phase two, phase three trial in dry
29:35eyes as we get older, like I don't know,
29:36I have dry eyes all the time and I wear
29:38contacts. So, I this is a very promising
29:41interesting use of TB4. That's why it's
29:43like it's not that it's
29:46dangerous or crazy or experimental. It's
29:48a little bit of both, depending on how
29:49you use it.
29:50>> [laughter]
29:51>> Right. It depends on how it's used, you
29:53know?
29:53>> Right. Right.
29:54>> So, I don't know. It's
29:55>> So, going to a medical professional is
29:56probably key number one.
29:58>> Yes, I think going to a medical
29:59professional is important.
30:01>> Let's touch on uh the glow stack has
30:02three different peptides and I feel like
30:04I see a lot of people on them. I did
30:06mine for like two and a half, three
30:07months almost and this was post surgery.
30:09So, this is what you suggested post
30:10surgery.
30:11Let's tell everybody what these these
30:13peptides do.
30:13>> So, the glow stack is a combination of
30:15three peptides, BPC 157, TB4, and
30:19GHK-Cu. The pharmacy that I use that
30:21makes it actually tests that the
30:23potency, meaning that they all still
30:25work when they're combined. Because
30:26sometimes when you combine these
30:27peptides, they actually don't work.
30:29>> Right.
30:29>> They inactivate each other because they
30:31require different pHs. So, it's
30:32important to know that if they're
30:34combined, were they tested for potency?
30:36>> Yeah.
30:36>> And they were.
30:37>> Right.
30:38>> And actually I'll point out in skin care
30:40for Naturium, when we use our copper
30:41peptides we encapsulated the copper
30:43peptides because copper peptides since
30:45they act like antioxidants can actually
30:47be very unstable. So that's a good point
30:49to bring up to people.
30:50>> Yeah.
30:50>> And the studies on GHK-Cu topical in a
30:52nano lipid carrier are how they
30:55penetrate the skin. So when I saw that
30:57Naturium had it made that way of course
30:59I bought it.
31:00>> So that glow stack is really great for
31:02>> It's great for I like to use it post-op
31:04or post injury.
31:06>> Mhm.
31:06>> Because for example if you have a breast
31:08implant I used it for my I had an
31:11explant done and I did it for my breast
31:13explant and my surgeon was like your
31:14scars healed so well. Now granted I also
31:17did hyperbaric oxygen I did the peptide
31:20and I did my very nutritious high
31:23protein diet right?
31:24>> Right.
31:24>> So people who have an injury what it
31:26could potentially do is it decreases
31:28inflammation.
31:29>> Mhm.
31:29>> It tells your fibroblasts and basically
31:33like collagen and blood vessels to
31:36regenerate.
31:37>> Mhm.
31:37>> So it has does something potentially
31:38called angiogenesis which is the growth
31:40of new blood vessels and that's where we
31:42go could this cause cancer?
31:43>> Right.
31:44>> have to be careful.
31:45And then GHK-Cu oh my gosh it's so cool
31:47in theory the mechanism of GHK-Cu it
31:50communicates with the cells and it can
31:52either upregulate or downregulate cells
31:54meaning it can either tell them to
31:55behave or not behave in certain ways to
31:58your genes. And so it has this really
32:00powerful anti-inflammatory antioxidant
32:02communication kind of throughout our
32:03body. And so we use it or I use it
32:07post-op.
32:08>> Okay. That
32:08>> to support the healing.
32:09>> We've also heard about the Wolverine
32:11stack on social media. What is this one?
32:12>> Okay. Wolverine stack. No it's awesome.
32:14Wolverine stack is great and I will use
32:16it in patients with like a
32:18musculoskeletal or soft tissue injury.
32:21It's awesome. Orthopedic surgeons often
32:23use it and they actually used it before
32:25I used it. Not all orthos use it but
32:28some orthos use it. Dr. William Seeds is
32:30an orthopedic surgeon turned peptide
32:32guru educator and he he even talks about
32:35how he used this and he used collagen
32:38and different modalities to help heal
32:39his patients and he was like I didn't
32:40need surgery and so I changed what I was
32:42doing. But it's BPC 157 and TB4. They
32:45work together with angiogenesis,
32:47anti-inflammatory, wound healing
32:50and it's a great tool in the toolbox.
32:51>> Right.
32:52>> And and
32:52>> But it it's just removing the
32:54>> The GHK-Cu.
32:55>> Yes, the no copper peptides
32:56>> Yeah, no copper peptides which for me if
32:59I have a patient that I haven't been
33:01able to do really recent labs on
33:03>> Yeah.
33:03>> maybe that would be a good choice
33:05because we know that I don't need to
33:07know what their copper levels look like.
33:08>> Right. Right, right, right.
33:09>> What do their zinc levels look like? I
33:10can put them on this BPC 157, Wolverine
33:12stock, TB4. We have very minimal human
33:15studies on BPC 157. We have like two or
33:18three.
33:18>> Right.
33:18>> There's one clinical trial going on
33:19right now and then TB4 we have a few
33:21human studies in other countries too but
33:23like we always could use more studies
33:25but who's going to who's doing it?
33:27>> And it's already making money so it's
33:28always that's actually the issue, right?
33:30>> That's the issue, yes.
33:30>> Tesamorelin?
33:31>> Oh, I love tesamorelin. So tesamorelin
33:34is
33:34>> Tesamorelin?
33:36>> Tesamorelin. But I I mean that's the way
33:37I say it. Basically communicates with
33:41your brain to tell your body to produce
33:43more growth hormone.
33:44>> Okay.
33:44>> And it's actually FDA approved for HIV
33:47lipodystrophy. So lipodystrophy means
33:50like your fat is not where it should be
33:52and particularly in the belly fat
33:54visceral organs and so that is a peptide
33:56that I will use in my patients
33:57off-label.
33:58>> Mhm.
33:59>> And so people will be like oh these are
34:00all not FDA approved but if you only
34:02want to do what's FDA approved we can
34:04absolutely use FDA approved peptides and
34:06your clinician should know the
34:07difference of what's FDA approved like
34:09tesamorelin which is FDA approved in
34:11patients with lipodystrophy who have HIV
34:14a very specific population but we can
34:15use it off-label in patients who don't
34:18have HIV, who have belly fat, who have a
34:21low IGF-1, who are having a hard time
34:24losing fat and putting on muscle. Now it
34:26can cause bloating, it can cause water
34:28retention and in some cases it can cause
34:30blood sugar to rise and so we look at
34:33labs because we need to monitor that.
34:34The reason why GHK-Cu is so popular is
34:37because it hits so many things.
34:39Performance, oh my gosh, it can help
34:41with my antioxidant capacity, it's
34:43anti-inflammatory, it helps with my
34:45skin. And so it has a lot of promise.
34:48>> Right.
34:48>> But I want to see what the actual proof
34:50is and I think we see that over time.
34:51CJC, did we talk about that? Oh, we
34:52didn't, but CJC is similar to
34:54Tesamorelin that it communicates with
34:55the brain to produce more growth
34:57hormone. Right now it's on the do not
34:58compound list. There was and there have
35:00been human clinical trials on it. There
35:03was one death associated with one of the
35:04clinical trials, but it wasn't related
35:06to that.
35:07>> Okay.
35:08>> So but it's it's again potentially for
35:10muscle building, but I'm always like,
35:12well, we can use the Tesamorelin which
35:14is FDA approved and a little bit more
35:17>> has more studies on
35:17>> more studies.
35:18>> Okay. So if somebody's saying CJC, ask
35:20more questions.
35:21>> Yeah, but it's still a good option.
35:22>> It's still a good option.
35:23>> yeah, it's still a good option. It's
35:24just again harder to source safely. Some
35:26pharmacies don't want to produce it
35:27because of
35:28>> the studies
35:29>> the gray area and the legalities, but
35:30hopefully things will be changing and
35:32rumor has it that peptides will be
35:34moving from category two to category
35:35one, which means that we'll be able to
35:36compound them again. And the reason why
35:38that's happening is because
35:39>> They're already off-label, gray market.
35:42>> Yes, a friend of mine sent me a picture
35:43of she lives in California, she was at
35:44the gym and they're literally selling
35:46vials of peptides at her gym.
35:47>> Shut up.
35:48>> But she could lose her license if she
35:49prescribes them.
35:50>> Right. That's ridiculous.
35:51>> Tell me
35:52>> Make it make sense.
35:52>> Make it make sense.
35:53>> Make it make sense.
35:54>> Make it so that the actual medical
35:55practitioners can do it.
35:56>> Yeah, safely.
35:57>> TA1, did we talk about that?
35:58>> Oh, yeah. So Thymosin alpha 1, that's
36:00the one that's been studied in other
36:01countries that's immunomodulatory. So it
36:03can help potentially with immune
36:06function and as we age our thymus gland
36:09gets smaller and so it can support that.
36:11So say that you're traveling a lot and
36:12you're getting sick, that would be a
36:14good tool that we could put in the
36:14toolbox.
36:15>> All right.
36:16>> It's used it for hepatitis and in other
36:18countries it's approved, but it's just
36:19not approved here.
36:20>> And then as far as longevity goes, how
36:22do peptides fit in? Like are all of
36:24these peptide these injectable peptides
36:25basically for longevity?
36:27>> So I think they could be a tool in your
36:29toolbox. Are they going to replace a
36:31strong diet and exercise?
36:34>> No.
36:34>> Right. They're a tool. They can support,
36:36but not replace
36:37>> Mhm.
36:38>> the essentials, which are diet and
36:40exercise. And I think that they can help
36:41in really acute situations like long
36:43COVID or Parkinson's or they can add
36:46quality of life potentially for somebody
36:48who has like a knee injury, but really
36:49enjoys playing pickleball.
36:51>> Right. And gets relief from it. How
36:52about for anti-aging? Like for the
36:54actual like skin and look and your hair
36:55and everything?
36:56>> I would love to say yes, but I I think
36:58we need more studies
36:59>> Yeah.
36:59>> to say that it actively works. We know
37:01GHK-Cu topically can improve collagen. I
37:04think it there was a study done with
37:05GHK-Cu, vitamin C, and tretinoin and
37:08GHK-Cu had better outcomes than both
37:10vitamin C and tretinoin.
37:11>> Oh, that's interesting.
37:12>> Yeah. But I don't know if I would get
37:14rid of my tret and my vitamin C. I think
37:15I might just add it to the mix, right?
37:16Cuz it helps boost collagen. But again,
37:18I think it's part of a bigger picture,
37:20right? You can use the GHK-Cu and maybe
37:22if you're open to being a guinea pig and
37:23experimenting with yourself safely with
37:26the right sourcing, maybe you try a
37:27cycle of the GHK or the glow stack
37:29cautiously knowing that there are risks
37:31and that there's not enough studies and
37:33see how you feel with your skin. But do
37:36I think it's going to replace Sculptra,
37:38laser, and facelifts? No.
37:39>> Right. Of course not. Of course not.
37:41>> I'm going [laughter] to get mine, you
37:42know? I don't
37:42>> For sure, 100%. So, I guess to end this
37:44conversation about injectable peptides,
37:46we know people are going to go out and
37:49and try to get peptides. It's so
37:50popular. I see conversations about it
37:52pop up every single day.
37:54What should people be looking for when
37:56they are trying to source it? Like if
37:58whether it's with a medical practitioner
37:59or with somebody else that like sells it
38:01online or something, what questions
38:03should they be asking?
38:04>> I think we need to have people ask about
38:06sourcing.
38:07>> Mhm.
38:07>> So, where is this peptide coming from?
38:09Is it coming from a 503A pharmacy? Is it
38:11coming from a research use only
38:13pharmacy? If it is coming from a
38:14research use only pharmacy, that's a red
38:16flag.
38:17>> Mhm.
38:17>> I wouldn't do it. If your medication has
38:19any particulate in it, if it's chunky,
38:22don't use it. Right? If it's foamy,
38:23don't use it. Right? I mean, I would
38:25just say work with a educated clinician
38:28who's not afraid of the hard questions,
38:29who can tell you, "I don't know. Let me
38:30look that up." Cuz that's a superpower
38:32to be able to say, "I don't know. I can
38:33look that up." We don't know it all.
38:35This is an evolving field. Sourcing is
38:37really important because I am seeing a
38:38lot of people get it from just random
38:41places online and they're not asking
38:43enough questions.
38:44>> Yeah. How about if somebody's just
38:46recommending like one peptide to you? Or
38:48if you go to a person that's selling it
38:50and you're like, "I just I want to be on
38:52copper peptides. I I just give that to
38:54me." And they're like, "Okay." Is that a
38:55red flag?
38:56>> For me, yes. Because I know that it can
38:59impact zinc levels. If you're not
39:01looking at your patient's zinc levels,
39:03that's really important because zinc and
39:04copper can impact the way your blood
39:07cells form.
39:08So, for example, patients who have
39:09chronically low white blood cell count,
39:11sometimes you'll check their copper and
39:12their zinc and they'll have low copper.
39:14And when you address the low copper,
39:16their white blood cells improve.
39:18I think it's a red flag.
39:19>> Yeah. Yeah. Like they need a maybe even
39:21potentially check your labs. Say they
39:23need need to check your labs, but also
39:25maybe even suggest other things or
39:26stacks.
39:27>> Yes. Or like, how are you eating,
39:29sleeping, pooping?
39:31>> [laughter]
39:31>> Like all the main health questions
39:33first.
39:33>> If someone's not asking about those core
39:36functions, yeah. And they're just trying
39:38to sell you a peptide and they If
39:40someone tells you that a peptide is
39:41going to do it all, you run. Right? It's
39:43not going to do it all. You'll need to
39:44do the work. The peptide's just going to
39:46I always say it's sprinkles. You're the
39:48cake that have to be baked. And you got
39:50to be frosted. Then we can throw the
39:51sprinkles on top.
39:52>> Yeah, that makes sense. They're a tool,
39:53like you keep saying. I I really like
39:55that you're referring to injectable
39:57peptides as a tool because I think
39:58that's what people need to remember.
39:59They're a tool in the overall toolbox.
40:02And that's it.
40:02>> and they're not going to replace
40:04the daily behaviors that you have to do
40:06that are work.
40:06>> Being healthy.
40:07>> Yeah.
40:08>> Yeah. Maymay, thank you so much. We
40:10could talk about this forever. So, and
40:11and like I you sitting here, I already
40:13have like other things I've heard about
40:14and everything and I want to ask you
40:15questions and stuff. So, I'm just going
40:17to end this conversation right here and
40:19I'm sure people will have more
40:19questions, so we can always have you
40:20back.
40:21>> Thank you, Susan. I love chatting with
40:22you.
40:23>> I love chatting with you. Where can
40:24people find you?
40:25>> Oh, people can find me at Revere
40:27Wellness or we actually started a
40:29podcast too, inspired by you.
40:30>> Love it.
40:31>> plug it, it's called the Revere Rundown.
40:32>> Yep.
40:33>> It's basically answering common
40:34questions that we get from our patients.
40:36>> Yep.
40:36>> And I have a very boutique practice. I
40:39like to know all of my patients by name,
40:41their kids, what they do, where they
40:42are, like their lives. And so, in order
40:44to touch more lives and truly my
40:46delusional goal of like changing
40:48people's lives for the better, I
40:49launched this podcast called the Revere
40:51Rundown to hopefully help others live
40:52better.
40:53>> Yeah, and you know, really quickly, I
40:54think cuz we were talking about
40:56about injectable peptides, but that's
40:57not what you really focus on.
40:59>> Yeah.
40:59>> Will you just tell everybody why they
41:00would want to maybe work with you?
41:02>> Yeah. Oh, thank you. So, I focus on an
41:04inside-out approach to wellness. That
41:07looks differently for everybody, but
41:08it's usually by looking at like hormone
41:10optimization,
41:11how you're pooping, how you're sleeping,
41:13how you're eating, and then how we can
41:15optimize your life. I truly want my
41:16patients to have like the strong old
41:19lady body, strong old man body cuz I see
41:21their husbands too sometimes
41:22occasionally. I primarily work with
41:24women, but they're always like my
41:25husband's jealous or my boyfriend's
41:26jealous. Can he come see you? My son
41:27wants to come see you. And then I'm
41:28like, of course, you know, cuz we treat
41:29the whole family.
41:30>> Yeah, I focus on an inside-out approach.
41:32I truly believe that if you're healthy
41:33on the inside, not just your body, but
41:35your mind,
41:36then it shows on the outside and that's
41:39what we do, optimal wellness that way.
41:41>> Thank you so much.
41:42>> Thank you, Susan. I appreciate it.
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