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0:00Satan fell from heaven with 1/3 of
0:02angels. Why did he rebel?
0:04>> He wanted [music] to elevate himself
0:07uh above God.
0:08>> He does not lose his access card to
0:10heaven?
0:11>> No, come down.
0:13And they sleep with women, [music] and
0:15these women become pregnant, they give
0:17birth to these Nephilim.
0:19>> Mhm.
0:21When they are killed by the flood,
0:23>> Mhm.
0:27>> So, is it their spirits [music]
0:28that are demons?
0:29>> The evil spirits that we cast out of
0:31people today are the disembodied [music]
0:33spirits of these Nephilim.
0:37>> So, my only objection to that,
0:38>> Yes.
0:39>> just one objection. It feels like we got
0:41a lot of demons, though.
0:42>> Mhm.
0:43>> A legion. I mean, that's 6,000.
0:46>> Mhm.
0:46>> And
0:47I have a difficult time wrapping my
0:49brain around the fact that in Genesis 6,
0:52we had millions of people.
0:53>> Unclean spirits are still being created.
0:55>> Is there another rebellion that is going
0:57to take place, or is Satan's organized
0:59[music] kingdom is going to produce
1:02certain beings,
1:04aliens, um UFOs, and those people who
1:07will start coming into the human race?
1:10What are your thoughts?
1:10>> Today, we're going to go into a
1:12conversation about the origin of demons.
1:15We're going to address watchers, giants,
1:16principalities, the Nephilim. We're
1:18going to talk about also um the UFOs and
1:21the aliens and the disclosury that's
1:23about to happen by the US government
1:25about aliens and just about the
1:27spiritual realm. Now, this is not just
1:30going on bunny trails, uh talking about
1:32conspiracy theories. For us, it has a
1:34practical application to deliverance. It
1:37has a practical application to spiritual
1:39warfare, intercession, and that's
1:41exactly what we're going to be tackling
1:42in today. And I have no other but Pastor
1:45Richard with me today again. Glad you're
1:47here.
1:47>> Thank you for having me, Pastor. This is
1:49my absolute favorite type of of
1:52conversations. I'm excited.
1:54>> Mhm. So, uh most Christians were taught
1:57the very simple version of demonology.
2:00Satan rebels in heaven, takes 1/3 of
2:02angels with him, drops to Earth, and
2:05we're casting these demons out of people
2:08who fell from Satan, and then we don't
2:12have much knowledge about these
2:14principalities or powers in Ephesians
2:16chapter 6. So, that's kind of a fringe
2:18idea, and we just kind of stick with the
2:20very simple basics. Could you go into
2:23how this is not that simple,
2:26and there is more to it?
2:28>> Yeah.
2:28Absolutely. I think first of all,
2:31the context where Jesus was talking
2:34about
2:36that he saw the devil fall like
2:38lightning and everything,
2:40I think it's it's referring to primarily
2:43when
2:44Jesus overcame the devil on the cross
2:47and resurrection. And the reference of
2:50that in Revelation where he took them
2:53with him. I don't think that is
2:56according to scholars, one of the
2:58scholars that I really like to listen to
3:02read his books and so on is is of course
3:04Michael Heiser.
3:06But, it seemed to be that scholars
3:10agree that Revelation 12 and the third
3:12of the stars is more so about when Jesus
3:15overcame on the cross rather than like
3:17in the book of of Genesis chapter 1
3:20where the snake was found in the garden
3:22and he had a third of stars or or his
3:25own angels somewhere waiting for him to
3:27perform this kind of a thing. And so, I
3:29think in context is very important to
3:31understand. There's different
3:32worldviews, and there's the ANE, the
3:34ancient Near Eastern worldview that the
3:36book of Genesis really is in
3:40explaining the the different kind of
3:42cosmological order and so on and so
3:44forth. And then, the second temple
3:47worldview where Jesus came in to cast
3:49out the demons, and
3:51you know, to see scripture through the
3:53lens of the worldview that it was
3:55presented in is very important. Let me
3:57give you an example, Pastor. If I or you
3:59or any preacher preaches, you know,
4:01about hey,
4:03it is wrong, the Bible is against
4:05mutilation of children, you know, in
4:07context of today, the congregation would
4:10understand exactly what you're referring
4:12to.
4:12But if you would take that sermon and
4:14put it in a capsule and freeze it and
4:16then in hundreds of years or thousands
4:18of years later, they might not
4:21understand the context of mutilating
4:24children that we are referring to today.
4:25The culture, we all understand what that
4:28refers to. It refers to certain woke
4:30ideologies and so on and so forth. The
4:32same is for these worldviews. A lot of
4:34people they view scripture
4:36through a present-day worldview instead
4:38of the worldview that was back then.
4:40When you do some of the backdrop
4:42research understanding the cultural
4:44context of what was written,
4:47you can now get a better understanding
4:49of of the spiritual world. The Bible
4:51never says that the devil just rebelled
4:55him one time and all the demons came
4:57from there and that's just all the
4:59evilness and you know, we don't need to
5:01understand anything more. The Bible
5:03explains a lot more layers of different
5:05kind of rebellions all especially in the
5:09book of Genesis. We got the garden
5:11rebellion, flood
5:13and then we got the Tower of Babel, you
5:14know, and these different
5:15[clears throat] rebellions and how each
5:17time it produced a different effect on
5:20this fallen world.
5:21>> And we were going to go through them
5:23layer by layer, but one thing that is
5:25clear and that is the devil is bad. He's
5:27an enemy of God.
5:29>> Yes.
5:29>> One thing is very clear is that while
5:32there might not be an agreement across
5:34the board on the origin of demons, there
5:36is a very clear agreement on their
5:39ending is they will burn in a lake of
5:41fire. We are commanded, given
5:43instruction to cast them out. The Bible
5:45does talk about a demonic
5:47infrastructure. His kingdom has rulers,
5:50it has hosts, it has principalities, and
5:52they are responsible for different
5:53things. And so, let's start from the
5:55beginning.
5:56>> Yes.
5:56>> That traditionally Satan fell from
5:59heaven with 1/3 of angels, and that is
6:02now of course being challenged with
6:04Michael Heiser as well as a lot of other
6:06scholars coming out and say there's more
6:08layers to it. So, what is the first fall
6:10that happened in the garden?
6:12>> So, the first fall is this divine
6:15entity. It's part He is part of the host
6:18of God. He's part of the sons of God.
6:20>> Mhm.
6:21>> The snake, the ancient serpent.
6:23>> Mhm.
6:23>> Uh and he uh rebelled against God, and
6:27that rebellion did not cast him out
6:30perpetually out of the presence of God
6:33because in the book of Job it talks
6:34about the accuser coming back and
6:36telling God, "I've been roaming the
6:37earth." So, and that's what we see a lot
6:40of the time we read into kind of like,
6:43"Hey, if you make a mistake, you're
6:45out." But, God
6:47Thank God that he didn't do that with
6:48us, you know. He he's he's patient and
6:51long-suffering. And so, also with that
6:53the the time will come for final
6:55judgment, but it hasn't come.
6:57>> of that rebellion? Why did he rebel?
6:59>> Yeah.
7:00>> In the garden.
7:00>> He wanted to elevate himself up above
7:04God.
7:05It was pride.
7:07He thought that he could do what God
7:09did.
7:10>> Mhm.
7:10>> And so, in that rebellion and he wanted
7:13to
7:14come and corrupt mankind because of
7:16that. And so, he comes to the garden and
7:20he probably was not exactly This is of
7:24course theologically argued about his
7:26actual shape or his actual form. A lot
7:28of theologians in the ancient Near
7:30Eastern worldview say that the garden is
7:32like a a meeting ground. It's not only
7:36referring to a physical garden, but it's
7:39The word garden is deeper. It's like a
7:41place where heaven and earth connect.
7:45It's a place where God walks among men
7:48and and and he doesn't walk everywhere.
7:50It's in the garden where he walks with
7:51men kind of a thing. And so he comes
7:54there and he deceives mankind and that
7:56is where Adam and Eve eat of the fruit
7:59and are cast out. And so that was the
8:01effect of the first rebellion where this
8:04divine entity tried to put himself above
8:07God ended up being cast
8:08>> rebellion there's no demons yet.
8:11In this rebellion he does not lose his
8:13access card to heaven. He's still part
8:15of the spiritual console that he shows
8:18up there.
8:20He can still go back and forth. So was
8:22it after Jesus' death that he loses his
8:25access to heaven?
8:27>> Yes.
8:27>> he's cast down?
8:28>> Yes. Yes. That's that's my belief
8:31according to Revelation where it talks
8:33about that that he's cast down and then
8:35the heaven says "Woe to earth because
8:37he's now permanently on earth" kind of a
8:40thing. And so
8:40>> So he pretty much no longer has the the
8:42code to get into heaven.
8:43>> That's the that's the point when you
8:44understand the worldview Jesus did not
8:47just die on the cross and resurrect on
8:50the third day for my personal salvation
8:52which is the most important for me of
8:54course but he also
8:56re-inherited the nations. He took claim
8:59of the nations back again. He overcame
9:02what the devil did. And so it's like a
9:04multi-faceted more
9:06bigger
9:08victory more than just died for my
9:09personal salvation. Of course that is
9:11for me the most important that I can
9:12have access to God now but it's a bigger
9:15it's a bigger event than just dying for
9:18my sake.
9:18>> And we'll unpack that a little bit more.
9:20So let's go to Genesis 6 now. So the
9:22first [clears throat] fall Satan rebels
9:24against God wants corrupt the humans to
9:26still has access to heaven until Jesus
9:28dethrones him completely and revokes his
9:30access by dying on the cross and
9:32resurrecting. What happens in Genesis 6?
9:35>> Yeah. Genesis 6 is most of people in in
9:38in our circles in my circles. This is
9:40one of the one of the passages. You
9:43know, it talks about the sons of God
9:45were filled with desire for the women of
9:47men and they choose to cross from the
9:50spiritual plane into the physical plane
9:53on Mount Hermon. A lot of this is it's
9:56very briefly mentioned in scripture, but
9:59the backdrop is often painted by books
10:02such as the Book of Watchers or the
10:04first book of Enoch which is not Canon.
10:06It's not inspired, but it is
10:10in my opinion a book that helps to
10:13enrich the the backdrop in which this
10:17event took place.
10:19>> Mhm.
10:19>> And so so they come down and they sleep
10:22with women and these women become
10:24pregnant. They give birth to offspring,
10:26hybrid offspring.
10:27>> Mhm.
10:28>> And and that is the the second
10:30rebellion, the the rebellion of the
10:31watcher. These sons of God
10:33>> Sometimes people view it that these are
10:35descendants of Seth.
10:37>> Yes.
10:38>> But the problem with that view though,
10:41why it cannot be the sons of Seth, but
10:44it had to be the the sons of God
10:47as these spiritual beings. Why do you
10:49think is that?
10:50>> A lot of time
10:51in in scripture and in theology there is
10:53kind of like a flattening where they
10:55they want to simplify it and because
10:58world views change and everything, but
11:00essentially scripture is clear that
11:03these people crossed over from a
11:05spiritual to a physical plane. And so
11:07the descendants of Seth they would be
11:09humans
11:10and so there is no crossing over of the
11:13boundaries there. That's how they
11:15descend. They take themselves by oath
11:17saying that none of us can get out of
11:18this. We're all we go down together. And
11:21they do it and they trade all these
11:24knowledge with mankind for the women of
11:27men. So there's like a trade where like
11:28hey, we have sexual desire for these
11:32women. We want to sleep with them here.
11:34Let us give you guys all sorts of
11:36knowledge in in exchange for your women.
11:39>> Mhm.
11:39>> And so that happens and
11:41these women get pregnant and they give
11:43birth to now these Nephilim.
11:45>> Mhm.
11:46>> The Nephilim is now it talks about it
11:48that these are giants and there are
11:51different interpretations of how big
11:53they are.
11:54>> Mhm.
11:54>> And in some interpretations, I might be
11:56as big as an as a Nephilim.
11:59Because back then
12:00>> So are you a Nephilim?
12:02>> Who knows? I'm just kidding. I am not.
12:04I'm a child of God.
12:07And but but so some say that they were
12:09like 6 to 8 feet. Some say that they
12:11were really tall. So
12:13but the in essence the most important
12:15part is not their exact physical size
12:18but the fact that they were hybrid.
12:20>> Mhm.
12:20>> And so there was a cross contamination
12:22between the spiritual hosts and humans.
12:24>> Mhm. So and plus the word sons of God in
12:29Genesis is exactly the same word that is
12:31used in Job.
12:32>> Mhm.
12:32>> Not to describe humans but to describe
12:35uh spirit beings or describe these
12:37entities. And I heard an argument where
12:39people say, "Well, it cannot be that the
12:42spiritual beings had physical
12:44relationship with women because the
12:46Bible says the angels in heaven do not
12:48get married." But the problem with that
12:51view is that the Bible doesn't say that
12:53all angels cannot have sexual relations.
12:55It's angels in heaven that are with God
12:58>> Yeah.
12:58>> that are not doing these physical
13:00relationships with women. So but the
13:02ones that leave their abode
13:04>> Yeah.
13:04>> um they can do that. So
13:06if rebellion in Genesis 6, do you think
13:09that they were connected with this being
13:12the the rebel against God or that's a
13:15separate thing and it's later on that
13:18this main rebel, arch enemy of God, kind
13:21of merged all of them into one kingdom?
13:23>> Yeah. I think at that point
13:27uh scripture does not say, neither does
13:29as far as I know any of the books refer
13:32to Satan himself being part of it. There
13:34is other names of of leaders and
13:37different things that one of them being
13:38Azazel, mentioned later in the scripture
13:40as a goat demon in the
13:43wilderness. But generally, yes, I I do
13:45think that later on these rebellions,
13:47you know, when you're when you have a
13:49common enemy, and you become friends
13:51kind of a thing. So, um that's kind of
13:54the context of that. And then, what
13:56happened after that is, of course,
13:57because wickedness It's very interesting
14:00when you read that chapter there before
14:02the flood comes,
14:03it says that wickedness increased, and a
14:06lot of theologians would argue that
14:08because of the knowledge that was passed
14:10on from the sons of God, wickedness had
14:13accelerated deterioration where people
14:15started murdering each other to a higher
14:18degree. There was weapons that was
14:20created. There was higher level of
14:21seduction. And it even says that these
14:23sons of God engaged even in bestiality.
14:27And And so, that they are that that they
14:29defiled all flesh. And so, um
14:32>> So, the big issue with the flood wasn't
14:35the fact that people just were killing
14:36each other, but there was a
14:38contamination of a human race.
14:40>> Yes. At least that's what Enoch says. He
14:43adds to the picture. So, what pertains
14:46to us is that sin it was
14:50big on Earth and and corruption, you
14:52know, mankind was being corrupted not
14:55only corrupted through, you know, we're
14:58doing bad things corrupted, but
14:59corrupted to a deeper level. And so,
15:02yes, this is where the flood comes to
15:04wipe out this corruption completely.
15:07>> And it's important, and why I'm
15:09lingering a little bit on this, is
15:11because Jesus says, "As it was in the
15:13days of Noah, it will be in the time
15:16before the Son of Man comes back." Could
15:19it be that we will have like an episode
15:22two
15:23of the overlap between the spiritual
15:26entities coming and trying to
15:27contaminate the human race.
15:29>> Absolutely. I believe so, and this is
15:31why it's so interesting to me to to
15:36a lot of my time in studying and stuff
15:38is on the beginnings because I think
15:41even as eschatologically, it it comes
15:44back just just like you said in that
15:46scripture. And so, yeah, there will
15:47probably be cross-contamination once
15:50again. And now, there are things that we
15:53could, you know,
15:54um
15:55think about. And so, I got this from
15:57Pastor Bryson actually, but but a lot of
15:59Christian theologians use it. There are
16:01things that we know. These are the
16:02things we preach, things we believe,
16:04these are things that we have a a solid
16:06grasp on. And then, there are things
16:08that we think. These are things that we
16:09hold with open hands, meaning it's still
16:11subject to change. I'm not going to
16:13preach this to my congregation. And so,
16:15for that reason, yes, I do
16:18>> have the Whatever we think about, we can
16:19talk here.
16:20>> Yeah. Yeah, we won't preach it. Yeah,
16:21we're not going to preach it.
16:22>> But we can talk about it. And for those
16:24of you who are listening, you can just
16:26hold it with an open hand. So, there are
16:28things that we know, there are things
16:29that we believe, and there are things
16:31that we think. And so,
16:33going back to the flood and going back
16:36to the Nephilim. So, then
16:39these giants, they go They're called
16:41watchers.
16:42>> So, the giants are called Nephilim,
16:44which is the offspring of the watchers,
16:47which are the sons of God, these these
16:49hosts of heaven.
16:50>> Uh-huh. So, these giants,
16:52when they are killed by the flood, so is
16:54it their spirits that are demons?
16:56>> Ex- exactly. You got it, Pastor. And so,
16:58the disembodied spirits, because this is
17:01an abomination before God, so he curses
17:04them saying that they will not pass on
17:07to afterlife. Their spirits will
17:09continue to Their souls will continue to
17:11linger on Earth. And this is where we
17:13get the unclean spirits from. The evil
17:16spirits that we cast out of people today
17:18are the disembodied spirits of these
17:21Nephilim.
17:22>> Mhm.
17:22>> And so they are still roaming looking
17:24for how to continue their corruption and
17:27their perversion and all those desires
17:30that they had back then to corrupt and
17:33and defile and just pleasure, you know,
17:37those things are are still the things
17:39that we see in people receiving
17:41deliverance.
17:42>> Mhm.
17:42>> What about these watchers? What happened
17:44to them?
17:45>> So the watchers, they get caught and
17:47they get sentenced and so according to
17:50scripture, they are in prison awaiting
17:53the final judgment. So some of them
17:57might be in the pit. These 200, it says
18:00pretty much that some of them are in the
18:02hills under the deepest cave under the
18:05deepest. So they are in different places
18:07held in spiritual bondage until the end
18:10of times where they will be thrown into
18:12the lake of fire together with with
18:13Satan.
18:14>> Mhm.
18:14>> So the first rebel,
18:16the one that resisted God, whom we call
18:19Satan,
18:19>> Yes.
18:20>> um and he was just more the one who
18:22opposes really the original word Satan
18:24is the one who opposes. His first
18:26punishment, I mean, there was in Genesis
18:28his punishment, but he didn't lose his
18:30access to heaven.
18:30>> Yeah.
18:31>> And Genesis 6, we have these sons of
18:34God, they cross the line from where
18:37they're supposed to be and they start
18:39sharing secrets,
18:40>> Yeah.
18:40>> medicine, technology, and the human race
18:43quickly got deteriorated because we
18:45started to use otherworldly machinery
18:48and things.
18:49>> Um God punishes them, locks them up in
18:51prison.
18:51>> Mhm.
18:52>> The children that they produced are
18:54destroyed in the flood, but their souls
18:57or their spirits
18:58>> Mhm.
18:58>> are unclean and they roam around, which
19:01would explain why demons have an
19:03insatiable desire for a body.
19:05>> Yeah.
19:06>> Because like angels don't need a body to
19:09function.
19:10>> Yeah.
19:10>> Angels are fine without the body. In
19:11fact, they have their own version of
19:13some kind of a glorious
19:14>> Yeah. a thing to him, but you don't see
19:16an angel seeking to possess a body.
19:19A demon on the other hand has this
19:22obsession to be in the body. Yeah.
19:26>> Yeah, exactly. And that's part of the
19:28worldview that the that the Jewish and
19:30that Christ came into is the fact that
19:32angel and a demon are not polar
19:35opposites. These are different
19:37creatures. An angel is someone who is a
19:39messenger of God with certain powers.
19:42Demons are just the disembodied spirits
19:45of these hybrid species. They're not
19:47>> So that's the second temple
19:49worldview that Jesus walked into.
19:51>> yes, exactly. And so and when when you
19:54have done deliverance for some time, you
19:56realize that a lot of these terms it
19:58actually adds up. We've got marine
19:59spirits. Of course, they all drowned.
20:02We've got the strong man. Yeah, they
20:04were strong men.
20:06So a lot of these like the the nature of
20:08these demons it it does refer back to
20:12like, yeah, in fact, they are like that.
20:15Of course, there were both men and
20:16women. And so there were both female and
20:18male. And you know, so a lot of those
20:20things it begins to
20:22add up with the experience that we have
20:24today in deliverance ministry. Now, once
20:26again, experience is not the leading,
20:28but it's a contribution to kind of like
20:31see what scripture
20:32>> my only objection to that, just one
20:34objection, it feels like we got a lot of
20:36demons though.
20:38A legion. I mean, that's 6,000. And
20:42I have a difficult time wrapping my
20:44brain around the fact that in Genesis 6,
20:46we had millions of people.
20:49What how do you reconcile that in your
20:50own head?
20:50>> I know.
20:52I actually had this conversation with a
20:54member of my church recently. And his
20:56view was that
20:58demons they're still evil people and
21:02their soul roams, which I don't think is
21:03scriptural at all.
21:05I believe, and this is the only way that
21:08I can reconcile, because I understand
21:10what you're saying. I I I ran the
21:11numbers and like it's it's it doesn't it
21:14it's too much. So, there must be some
21:17way, and now these are things that I
21:19think. I don't have a definite answer on
21:21everything. Either Either in some way,
21:24shape, or form uh unclean spirits are
21:26still being created or reproducing, for
21:30example. Now, I I I lean towards the one
21:33where
21:34when
21:35women, physical women, have a spirit
21:38spouse that we talked about in another
21:40episode, and they have children in their
21:43dreams.
21:44>> Mhm.
21:45>> And they have a covenant with a spirit
21:46spouse. I'm just exploring it. This is
21:49not something that I would ever preach
21:51about, but that possibly these are
21:53actual unclean spirit offspring.
21:55>> Mhm.
21:56Yeah, the spiritual world is a lot more
21:59colorful and a lot more dimensional than
22:02just this flat kind of a black and white
22:04as we have grown to be accustomed to it.
22:07So, definitely something to explore,
22:09because even the version of Satan
22:12falling with angels, 1/3 of angels from
22:14heaven, you know, it's not very
22:16convincing that those are the demons. It
22:18doesn't change the fact. We need to cast
22:19them out regardless whether they are
22:21this or that. But definitely
22:22[clears throat]
22:23um
22:24the other aspect of the rebellion, two
22:26rebellions, and now we're going to
22:27address the third rebellion.
22:29It almost feels like people keep
22:31rebelling against God.
22:33And I was like when I was thinking, cuz
22:35I remember when I came across this
22:36information,
22:38and I was like, man, God has a lot of
22:39splits in his kingdom, way more than
22:41some
22:42churches, you know?
22:43>> [laughter]
22:43>> And I was like, man, I mean, why would
22:45you rebel against such a perfect loving
22:47being? And then the fear comes in, and
22:49I'm just going to be honest with you.
22:51Like if these beings were with God, and
22:53they just, you know, tripped up like
22:55that, I mean, here we are going to be
22:57spending eternity with God. Are we? Like
23:00I know that we're redeemed, but I'm
23:01like, you know, is there like not even
23:03one chance percentage that we might
23:06do something?
23:07Do like rebellion number four?
23:09>> Yeah.
23:09>> Or something. And so those are kind of
23:11my thoughts and processing when I was
23:13reading about this and learning about
23:14this. It does make most sense even
23:16biblically with this view that the
23:19spiritual world, the council of God, the
23:22falling, the watchers,
23:24then the what happened in the garden.
23:27And now let's go to the Tower of Babel.
23:28So Noah survived.
23:31>> Mhm.
23:31>> The Tower of Babel
23:32Babel is coming. And then there's a
23:34verse in Deuteronomy. Could you kind of
23:36talk about that verse and what does it
23:38mean? Where are the principalities and
23:40this third rebellion that happened?
23:41>> Yes. So this is what Michael Heiser
23:44calls the Deuteronomy 32 worldview where
23:47God assigns the nations to lesser
23:50Elohim, meaning other hosts of heaven,
23:53other gods who are is gods with small g.
23:57So we are not polytheistic.
23:59>> Yeah.
24:00>> There is only one God, the creator of
24:02all, who is the only one worthy of
24:04worship, but there are other hosts of
24:06heaven. And this is where the western
24:08kind of mindset is so difficult because
24:10we've been so,
24:11you know, trained to like there's one
24:13God. And there is only one God, but
24:16there are other creations that he
24:18created that were assigned just like we
24:21were created to have dominion over the
24:23earth. That's the first instruction. He
24:25said, "Have dominion over this earth."
24:27And so he created everything with a
24:29purpose. And so but because of free
24:31will. And so these lesser gods, they
24:34were assigned to different
24:36areas of the earth.
24:38Daniel 10 talks about the prince of
24:39Persia.
24:40>> Mhm.
24:41>> And there are different kind of princes
24:43>> Mhm.
24:43>> over different regions. And then at the
24:46Tower of Babel, he disinherits the
24:49nations because of the the disobedience.
24:52And he chooses to give them all
24:55different languages. And now you have
24:58different regions, and you have other
25:00people, but Jacob remains mine, and the
25:02people of Israel will be my covenant
25:04people that I will continue my plan and
25:06purpose in. And so,
25:08that's where the principalities comes
25:10in. There are these lesser Elohim who
25:13are reigning over different areas here
25:15on Earth.
25:16>> Mhm. So, these sons of God that God
25:19pretty much assigns different
25:20territories, and God chooses Jacob as
25:23his inheritance.
25:25>> Yes.
25:25>> So,
25:26do they flip and rebel against God?
25:28>> Yes. So, eventually they flip and they
25:31rebel against God. Some of them I would
25:33say probably all of them because there's
25:35only one nation that God remains
25:37faithful to. Everything else has been
25:39disinherited.
25:41And so, yeah, so all these
25:43principalities they reign over different
25:44regions. In Psalm 82 he says, "You will
25:46die like mortal men." And this is where
25:48the Sethite view comes in. We're like,
25:50"Hey, it's difficult to comprehend
25:53that him talking to spiritual beings
25:55here as opposed to physical beings
25:56because he's the way he's referencing it
25:59and you're going to die like
26:01you have to think sit on the scripture
26:03for a minute to comprehend that like,
26:05"Oh, this could actually be a spiritual
26:07conversation."
26:09And it it aligns with the Tower of Babel
26:12and everything that happened there. So,
26:13these principalities rebel. They want to
26:16take over. They just couldn't handle
26:17ruling over something without beginning
26:19to be corrupted by by that. And so,
26:22these different principalities now rebel
26:25against God, and they remain in power
26:29even in their rebellion.
26:31>> Mhm.
26:31>> And so, up until today the Bible says
26:34that one day they will all be held
26:36accountable. When Jesus comes back,
26:38>> Mhm.
26:38>> the end of all these things come. But,
26:41currently we are still living under that
26:44where the principalities are ruling over
26:47these territories that they were
26:48allotted from that time.
26:50>> So, by the time Jesus comes in the
26:51second temple worldview,
26:53>> Mhm.
26:54>> they already saw Satan as like the
26:57arch-enemy that had these reb- these
27:00rebels all organized.
27:02>> Yeah.
27:03>> Correct?
27:03>> Yeah. He was He's now the the leader of
27:06the crew kind of a thing that the
27:08archetype of the anti-god, antichrist,
27:12anti-everything. And so, all of them
27:14kind of fall under this category. Uh one
27:17thing that I do believe is that demonic
27:19kingdom and Satan's kingdom,
27:21generally speaking, isn't perfectly
27:25hier- hierarchical. Once again, this is
27:27me thinking about things, but if God is
27:30the god of order,
27:31>> Mhm.
27:31>> then if people submit to ranks in in in
27:35the demonic kingdom, in general, that
27:36means that there is some order there,
27:38too. And And there can be no order when
27:41God is absent. So, I think that it's a
27:43pretty chaotic reign
27:45>> Mhm.
27:45>> where a lot of backstabbing, where
27:47they're constantly And so, like, that's
27:48why there is no like organized where all
27:52principalities come together against
27:54Like, it's always they're backbiting.
27:56They're like So, there's this chaos,
27:58just corruption across the board. And
28:00so, for that reason, it's kind of
28:02Sometimes people like, "Well, if it's
28:03the devil, why don't they all just come
28:05to it?" It's because they don't have any
28:07[clears throat] good or godly nature in
28:08them.
28:09>> Mhm.
28:09>> Spirit of division.
28:10>> Yeah.
28:10>> And stuff. So, Jesus dies on the cross.
28:13And when he dies on the cross, he saves
28:15us. But, we also know that his
28:18resurrection is going to usher our
28:19resurrection. We know creation groans
28:21for the redemption of the sons of God.
28:23What did it do to Satan? What did it do
28:26to the Nephilims? And what did it do to
28:29the principalities?
28:30>> Yeah. So, to Satan, it first,
28:32prophetically, it put an end to
28:36his power legally. Now, he's still
28:38roaming. He's still doing these things,
28:41but it was the hit where the gates of
28:44hell shall not prevail against the
28:45church. Now, because Christ died, he
28:47took back and redeemed what he did in
28:50the Garden of Eden to those who choose
28:52to accept that. And so, experientially,
28:55it doesn't mean that sickness is gone
28:57from the surface of the earth, but one
28:59day it will be, but legally, his powers
29:02are broken. The Book of Colossians 2:15
29:05even says at the cross he stripped the
29:07powers from the different principalities
29:10and stuff. So, at the cross, he restores
29:13and redeems what happened in the garden.
29:15He gives the power to the church, even
29:18before them, but he gives the power to
29:19the church to cast out the demons. He
29:21says, "If I cast out demons by the
29:24finger of God, you know the kingdom of
29:25God is at hand." And then he says and
29:27tells them, "Go out, make these signs,
29:28cast out demons." So, now the authority
29:30that he single-handedly had when he
29:33walked the earth, he delegated that to
29:35his church to now go and cast out demons
29:38from people here on earth, and also to
29:40wage war against these principalities,
29:43not in the traditional sense that some
29:45denominations like, "Hey, we should go
29:46into the third heaven and pray against
29:49all those things." But rather take the
29:50ground that they have taken over by
29:54preaching the gospel, by by setting the
29:57captives free, and taking ground for
29:59Jesus. And so, all these things happen
30:02at the cross, and this is now the last
30:04chapter kind of where the church is now
30:06continuing the work.
30:08>> And these demons are still on earth
30:10unless they're expelled. Principalities
30:13are still in their positions, but they
30:15no longer have the legal authority
30:17because now we have the authority to
30:19preach the gospel, and then Satan has
30:21fell from heaven. He is disarmed, yet
30:24he's still a dangerous foe, and one day
30:27he will be totally removed and well,
30:29first bound, and then totally cast into
30:30the lake of fire. And so,
30:33now if we circle into the end times,
30:37when it comes to the end times, it will
30:38be like the days of Noah. And maybe we
30:40will go from what we know to be true,
30:43what we believe to be true, into more of
30:44what we think. What will that look like?
30:47If it's going to look like the days of
30:49Noah, and the days of Noah had these
30:51other beings coming in, is there another
30:54rebellion that is going to take place,
30:56or is this Satan's organized kingdom is
30:59going to produce certain beings,
31:03aliens, UFOs, and those people who will
31:07start coming into the human race?
31:09>> Yeah.
31:10>> What are your thoughts?
31:11>> So, my thoughts on the stuff that's just
31:13being released about UFOs and all those
31:15things and aliens, I think that um it's
31:19nothing new. Um they're from a different
31:22plane,
31:23not a different planet. Whatever, you
31:25know, kind of they're they're they're
31:27from the spiritual realm.
31:29And we have seen throughout scripture
31:30that God would open the eyes of people,
31:33like Elisha's servant, and suddenly he
31:35saw chariots of fire and all these kind
31:37of things. And so, I
31:39I think, in a sense, even though
31:41scripture does not specifically say that
31:44the veil is going to thin in the end
31:47times, I believe that
31:49this is what we're seeing. The book of
31:51Isaiah talked about talks about darkness
31:53getting thicker, and then the book of
31:55Daniel 10 talks talks about the light
31:57getting stronger. So, if the darkness is
31:59getting thicker, the light is getting
32:00stronger, it's leading up to this
32:03ultimate showdown kind of a thing. And I
32:05do believe that this is going to uh lead
32:08into that kind of narrative. Now, uh may
32:11I just present something? So, think
32:13about the fact that it talks about the
32:16mark of the beast, right? On the hand or
32:17on the on the forehead. And a lot of
32:19people saying, "Hey, you know, in Sweden
32:20they're taking the chip already."
32:22>> Mhm.
32:22>> And like, "Hey, this is this Is this the
32:24mark of the beast?"
32:25I don't think it is. Now, once again,
32:27this is stuff that I think. Because if I
32:29amputate my hand, it's been reversed.
32:32Unless there's a spiritual implication
32:34to a tattoo or a mark or something.
32:37But I believe that it's something that
32:39will be put into our body that cannot be
32:43reversed.
32:45For example, something that affects our
32:47blood.
32:48>> Mhm.
32:49>> Something that affects our very image of
32:52God, what makes us human, something that
32:55affects our DNA that is affected kind of
32:59Now, I don't want to go into and say,
33:00"Hey, you know,
33:01me personally, I think that certain um
33:04things that happened in the last year,
33:05they were dry runs spiritually. I don't
33:07think that there's a government behind
33:09like, you know, everyone has to take the
33:11whatever
33:12and but I do believe that it was a
33:14spiritual dry run. And so, there's
33:16actually research already in China where
33:18they are injecting a certain animal DNA
33:22into soldiers to make them more
33:25resistant to radioactivity.
33:28>> Mhm.
33:28>> There's already research on it.
33:30>> Mhm.
33:30>> Imagine, Pastor, if one day medical
33:32research comes up and says, "Hey,
33:35there's an injection now, you don't need
33:37glasses anymore."
33:38>> Mhm.
33:38>> I mean, it's not that far-fetched to
33:40imagine that.
33:41>> it's not.
33:42>> It could be they don't need to specify
33:44what is in it. It's the DNA of some owl
33:47or something that makes your vision
33:49sharp again. And then another thing
33:51comes and another thing and this will
33:53give you longer life, this will give you
33:55resistant to cancer. It will all sound
33:58good in the beginning.
33:59>> Almost like what the watchers offered to
34:01the human race.
34:02>> Exactly. They didn't know it would
34:03corrupt them. They thought this is good
34:05stuff. In fact, right now there's even
34:07research which is I'm not saying it's
34:09good or bad, I'm just stating the facts.
34:11There's research called CRISPR where
34:13people go in and they can actually
34:15change the the genome of a DNA of an
34:18unborn baby to remove certain diseases
34:22or malfunctions in the DNA, the building
34:24blocks. And so, there's already a lot of
34:26research going on. There was actually
34:28some a baby
34:29who was cured through this through this
34:32mythology of some kind of a liver thing
34:34a deformity that they could change the
34:36DNA and he was cured [clears throat]
34:37from it. And so I think it will grow and
34:40then imagine, you know, hey, you can
34:41live longer, you won't die from this.
34:44And then suddenly we talk about the book
34:47of Revelation where the witnesses come
34:49down from heaven and they're breathing
34:51fire from their mouths
34:53and they're going to be unstoppable and
34:55unkillable. Sounds a lot like an alien
34:58invasion.
34:59And then [clears throat]
35:00nobody's going to be able to to kill
35:02them unless until the the Antichrist the
35:05beast comes
35:06>> [snorts]
35:06>> and he of course already being
35:08transhuman
35:10because of all these things are able to
35:12overcome them.
35:14And now he said, "Hey, this is the first
35:16attack. Another one is coming. Anyone
35:18who doesn't join force this is not
35:20nation against nation anymore. This is
35:22now the earth against them.
35:25I took these things to make me stronger
35:27to overcome the aliens. Now all of you
35:29we got to take it so that we can
35:31overcome. Now I'm this is once again I'm
35:33just I'm just having fun here and
35:37and then and then you know, I already
35:39saw what happened when people didn't
35:40want to take certain certain shots in
35:42the past where like,
35:43"You don't care about us. You don't want
35:45us." And so imagine now it's the earth.
35:48"You don't care about you're going to be
35:49weak. You don't deserve to live. What's
35:52wrong with you?" And now I know that
35:54this narrative
35:55it needs, you know, there's more details
35:58but I I can see how it can fit into
36:00other stories of of eschatology as well
36:03with with various things with the ethnic
36:05background of the Antichrist. My story
36:08what I say it doesn't specify if he's a
36:10Muslim or you know, whatever.
36:12But generally and then people take it
36:14and now they are no longer the image of
36:17God. The mark of the beast have now
36:19altered their image the the DNA that
36:22what makes us human and now we're
36:24transhuman.
36:26>> Mhm. And so there's a lot of people who
36:28are exploring this. I do believe I I I
36:31can see it. I can see it. And with AI
36:33somehow fitting in there as well, but
36:35primarily it's the chimera, it's the
36:37mixing of the
36:38>> Mhm.
36:39>> DNA that I believe at the end of times
36:42it will be like the days of Noah.
36:44>> Mhm.
36:44>> To summarize all this, so these
36:46enemies are operate differently. The
36:49demons, what we call the demons, the
36:51principalities,
36:52>> Yeah.
36:52>> and then also the the watchers. So, the
36:56watchers are locked up, the demons are
36:58cast out, and the principalities is that
37:00they are displaced through repentance,
37:02>> Yeah.
37:03>> holiness, and gospel preaching.
37:05>> Yes.
37:05>> And so, um what is your encouragement to
37:08us right now as we're heading into the
37:11end times as this stuff is developing? I
37:13mean, any moment from now the government
37:15could be releasing some of this
37:17information that could cause things in
37:18the Bible to just go alive. What is What
37:21is your personal expectation? And what
37:23are you going to tell your church? And
37:25how are you going to lead during this
37:26time?
37:26>> Yeah.
37:27So, personally, I am watching and
37:30praying. Nothing will ever take my eyes
37:33away from Jesus and the finished work on
37:36the cross.
37:37>> Mhm.
37:38>> I me personally, I just think about
37:41these things. It is not my job to
37:43predict the future. I will do what God
37:45has called me to do today, which is to
37:47save souls, make disciples, heal the
37:49sick, cast out demons until the end of
37:52times. I'm praying it will be really
37:54easy, you know, and everything will be
37:55well, you know. If it gets hard, my
37:57conviction is on Jesus. So, I will tell
37:59my people as well, don't be
38:02uh distracted or discouraged by wars,
38:05rumors of wars, or new things that are
38:07happening, an alien invasion, and this
38:09and that. Like, of course, it's signs
38:11that we're in the end times. Good for
38:13us. Good for us. We're getting closer.
38:16But all of these things should never
38:18distract us even for a moment from Jesus
38:21and what he did on the cross and the
38:23mission of the church that Jesus said,
38:26"Go and make disciples." And against the
38:30church, the gates of hell will not
38:31prevail. I love that because the gates
38:34of hell, it's not an offensive. Nobody
38:36takes a gate to war and attacks someone.
38:38It's a defensive structure. And that
38:40means that God has Jesus empowers his
38:43church to be on the offensive against
38:45the gates of hell. Not just It doesn't
38:47mean I will protect you from attack. It
38:49means I will empower you to take ground.
38:52That's that's our our goal. And I think
38:56there are principalities and there are
38:58powers of of the heavenlies and the
39:01wicked hosts of darkness and and over
39:03every region. But our job is not to like
39:06Oh, well, we cast you out from No,
39:08they're actually supposed to be there
39:10until the end of times. What we do is we
39:12go out and we preach and we displace
39:14them out of the hearts of people.
39:16And that's our goal. That's our mission.
39:18>> Amen. And whether
39:19this will be transhumanism, whether it's
39:22going to be Islamification of the of the
39:25world, or a guy in Europe that's going
39:27to rise up or
39:29>> Like in Left Behind, a Romanian.
39:31>> Or a or Roman Catholic Pope. Some people
39:34think that's going to be a Seventh-day
39:36Adventist thing. That's that's who
39:37Antichrist is. Whoever that's going to
39:39be, the point is their reign is going to
39:41be short.
39:42>> Yeah. Jesus is coming back. He will
39:44cleanse this earth again through fire.
39:46He will reign.
39:47He will bind Satan. He will then have
39:50the final battle and he will establish
39:52his kingdom. And that we know for sure.
39:54>> Yes.
39:55>> And how this how we get to that point,
39:57we can have different opinions. And I
39:58think it's good to explore them and to
40:01especially in light of what's happening
40:02right now with AI and with the
40:04government and and with that. So, that's
40:07why if you guys are following
40:09this ministry, you got to give your life
40:10to Jesus, get plugged in a local church,
40:12and get busy doing what Jesus called us
40:14to do. You might may fully know where
40:16those demons come from, but you can be
40:18fully assured that you have the
40:20authority to send them to hell, to send
40:23them to the lake of fire, to send them
40:24into the pit, and to cast them out of
40:26people. And that, my friend, is what we
40:27need to do. So, Rick, thank you so much
40:29for your time, and that you actually
40:31have a PDF that you go full into it
40:34called Watchers, Giants, and Princes.
40:37>> Yeah. Yeah, I I love this topic, and I'm
40:40still looking to release more of that
40:43kind of content. I I love to do deep
40:45dives into that. So, yeah, there's a lot
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40:50>> So, we're going to give that in the
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