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0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:02and educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:07proven guilty in a court of law. Any
0:09footage used in this video is obtained
0:11through public records and falls under
0:13fair use for the purpose of reporting,
0:15analysis, and public interest.
0:21Have a seat real quick.
0:25I'm going to beat these cars off a
0:27little bit now in just a sec.
0:32Yeah. Move the question for you.
0:48This one is loose. Okay. Give me another
0:51hand.
0:53Make sure loose. Yes.
1:05Just think.
1:08On the night of November 17th, 2017, two
1:12masked men entered a home on Laurel
1:14Avenue in Stock Island, Florida. They
1:16held three people at knife point. One
1:19woman's throat was slashed. Another man
1:20was stabbed. five times and left to die
1:22at the base of the stairs. His name was
1:25Matthew Bernett. The suspects fled, but
1:28they left behind blood, a trail of
1:30stolen belongings, and a witness who
1:32survived the attack. That witness, Paula
1:34Bilmont, said she knew one of the masked
1:36men. She called him Detroit. She told
1:39detectives she had met him more than 10
1:41times, and even under a mask, she
1:43recognized his walk, his voice, and his
1:46intent. Within days, police identified
1:48Rory Detroit Wilson as their prime
1:50suspect. He was placed under
1:52surveillance, caught discarding clothing
1:54and evidence into a trash bag. Later, he
1:57was brought in for questioning. At
1:59first, he denied everything. Then, he
2:01admitted to being in the apartment and
2:03to helping plan the robbery days
2:04earlier. This is the interrogation of
2:07Rory Detroit Wilson.
2:27Let's get get this shirt on before you
2:29freeze.
2:33You're going to take a cuff off someone.
2:35Yeah, you're not stupid. has already
2:37been
2:40I did all the
2:46[Music]
2:48[ __ ]
3:08My wife's okay. Yeah, she's okay.
3:13Make sure I do this soon.
3:25Everything
3:36What happened to my cell phone? I've got
3:39it done. Okay.
3:46I'm going to read you your rights. Okay.
3:48[Music]
3:49What's that? Right now, we just want to
3:50talk to you talk to you without reading
3:52your rights. All right.
3:55Before we ask you any questions, you
3:56must understand your rights. I got a I'm
3:58gonna see if I can read upside down on
4:00my to provocate. You have the right to
4:03remain silent. Anything you say can may
4:05be used against you in the court of law.
4:08You have the right to talk to a lawyer
4:10or for a law I can't do it that well.
4:13You have the right to talk to a lawyer
4:14for advice before we ask you any
4:16questions and to have a lawyer with you
4:18during questioning. Do you understand?
4:20Okay. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one
4:23will be appointed for you before any
4:24questioning if you wish. Do you
4:26understand? Okay. If you decide to
4:28answer questions now without a lawyer
4:30present, you will still have the right
4:31to stop answering questions at any time.
4:34You also have the right to stop
4:35answering questions any time if you
4:36until you talk to a lawyer. You
4:37understand all that? All right. Here's
4:39what I want you to do. Are you right or
4:41left here?
4:44Then just get there.
5:09or do you have any idea why you're here?
5:11Oh, first of all, before you swear and
5:13confirm that everything you're about to
5:14tell me is true and accurate to the best
5:15of your knowledge. Yes, sir. And your
5:17full name is
5:19And your date of birth? 12167.
5:23You have any idea why you're here?
5:28Do me a favor. I'm gonna take you back
5:30in time a little bit. All right. Tell me
5:31about your weekend. It's this past
5:33weekend.
5:36Okay. Past weekend. I worked over at Big
5:40Pass. When was that? This was like
5:44It was Friday. Okay. Who worked in?
5:48Randy McGra. That's my boss. Okay. We
5:52doing disaster relief. I know big pain.
5:56You know what I'm saying? After that, he
5:58brought me home. I took a shower, went
6:01to bed. Then I got home. Took a shower,
6:05went to bed. What time did you take a
6:06shower, went to bed? Was it dark? I got
6:09I got back. It was dark. Okay.
6:13What time do you think it was?
6:20Yeah.
6:21Yeah. Well,
6:24that's sad. I mean, I'm just guessing
6:27the time, but you know, I don't know.
6:29You know what I'm saying? Took me a
6:30little nap. I woke up,
6:35went to the um I went me a pack of
6:38cigarettes. Me and my buddy traffic. We
6:40walked up there to town, got a pack of
6:43cigarettes. What time was that?
6:46This was had be around about 8 8:30
6:50something like that. I'm just guessing
6:51the time cuz I don't know tell you the
6:54truth. So we got the cigarettes in the
6:57bag.
6:58I went upstairs had a couple of beers
7:01and my wife. Who did you have a couple
7:03beers with? Travis. So all right.
7:08So I just got to make sure I don't get
7:09confused off.
7:11Um, you and Travis left the house at
7:13what time to go get Tom? It was kind of
7:16it was dark outside. So, I say around
7:18about 7, 7:30, I guess. I'm looking so I
7:20was guessing on the times. You know what
7:22I'm saying? You know, I was tired. Which
7:24Tom did you go to? Right up the street
7:26from where I stayed. Okay. Right there
7:28on that corner. Okay. You know what I
7:30mean? Bought some cigarettes. He bought
7:32some cigarettes. We left. I went back to
7:35the house. Okay. You know what I'm
7:36saying? And that's all I did. You know,
7:39that's all that's all I do. You know, by
7:41my wife being pregnant, I can't go too
7:43far, right? You know what I'm saying?
7:45So, what route did you take to get to
7:47the top? Straight up the street. You
7:50didn't walk anywhere else? Oh, straight
7:52up. That's the only way I go up there.
7:53Straight up. Okay. Straight up. Then
7:55straight back down. And then you got
7:57back and you went upstairs with Travis.
7:59Yeah. We had a couple beers, I think,
8:01from just start talking. Then mom was
8:05blowing the phone up when you come home
8:08and went downstairs. That's that's what
8:10I did. Okay. That's all I do. You know,
8:13you know, it was nothing else from you
8:14know what I'm saying. Got to be at home.
8:16Was it just you and Travis upstairs at
8:18that point? It was it was me, Travis,
8:22Tyrone.
8:24Who's Tyrone?
8:26The white guy you um I put the cuffs on
8:29to before I came up. He was upstairs.
8:34The guy that was just here. The guy
8:37y'all put in the police car with the
8:40beard. Franklin. Yeah, I see. I just
8:42call I just mean all these dudes. What
8:45does he call you? He call me Nino. Nino.
8:48What other name you go by? Roy, you know
8:52that? Detroit?
8:55I heard that name for years. Used to be
8:58called that. Is that what it from
8:59Detroit but he back up north but it's le
9:04you know what I'm saying
9:06back
9:09nothing but the boy that's my name you
9:11know what I mean so like I said that's
9:14it you know I mean my neighbors they see
9:18me all the time
9:21what I do I go to work I come home like
9:24tonight I'm going to smoke me a
9:26cigarette you know about to get pills
9:28point at me and stuff though. But that's
9:30what I do cuz my girl pregnant.
9:34Okay. Yeah. So that's it. All right.
9:39Um,
9:41how do you know about your girl April? I
9:44take it April also doesn't like what's
9:46his name very much, does she?
9:48Tyrone or Ty. I know I met him when I
9:53when I first came down here.
9:56I I had to stay at God, right? You know
9:58what I'm saying? Me and the girl, she
10:00was pregnant. We stayed there for like a
10:03month. I got a job at Burger King. Saved
10:05all my money up and got that place so
10:08she can have a roof over her head being
10:10pregnant. She's up on me and my my
10:13family. I'm a family man. I'm a my son,
10:16you know, my newborn son. Yeah. So
10:19that's what I did and that's I end up
10:21moving to that dump I thought was legal
10:24but come to find out it's not legal.
10:28It's not residential, it's commercial.
10:30Yeah. So I went through the process of
10:32the course. I get paperwork this thick
10:34of a whole fight get my money back
10:37$1,000 and all right. So that's how it
10:43back that fast. That's the only place I
10:47um
10:49what about April? What's her name?
10:52Anthia. Ania.
10:55I don't know her. Who is that? I don't
10:57know her. I don't Um, tell me who you
11:01know from the treehouse.
11:05The treehouse.
11:12I know of that treehouse, but I don't
11:14know nobody know personally at that tree
11:17house. Like I don't I don't know, you
11:18know. I might have seen their faces, but
11:20I don't, you know, know him like that.
11:24Like I know like Travis or
11:28Frank. I know them. You know what I'm
11:30saying? We work together, but I really I
11:33don't know nobody in QS, you know what
11:35I'm saying? I know about face
11:37like that. You know what I mean? So
11:40that's it, bro. That's true.
11:43You know, I don't know know a lot of
11:46people. You know what I'm saying? Have
11:48you ever been to the treehouse? Yeah, I
11:50went over there. Been over there. When
11:53was the last time you were over there?
11:55About a month ago. About a month ago.
11:56about a month ago. That was my only Can
11:59I ask a question? What's that? I feel
12:01we're getting off on a bad start. What's
12:03that? Ask you a second ago about the
12:04treehouse. What was it? Act like you
12:06didn't know about if you had just been
12:08there a month ago. Because I'm I know
12:10another treehouse too now. Where's the
12:11other treehouse? Down in Baham village.
12:14Oh know about that. Yeah. Yeah. That's
12:17good. Right now. Yeah. West. All right.
12:21So who do you know from the treehouse
12:23that you met over there? But I see I got
12:27to me over there. I ain't trying to
12:29criminate myself, but I don't
12:34know, right? That's the only That's
12:36God's tr
12:43some dude was over there. What he look
12:45like?
12:47Like like short
12:50heavy set. You know what I'm saying?
12:53That's the only time any
13:03um
13:06tell me about Paula.
13:09You talking about the old lady.
13:12Everybody know her. She was, you know,
13:14she be riding through the neighborhood.
13:16That's like everybody know her. You know
13:18what I'm saying?
13:20That's help. I know her cuz I be seeing
13:23her on her bikes, you know, riding
13:25through the neighborhood. You know what
13:26I'm saying? Tell about Matthew. Who is
13:29that from the tree house? I don't know,
13:32man. I know. I told you I don't know
13:36about Hollywood.
13:41No, I heard about Hollywood,
13:44but
13:47said I don't really know nobody or
13:48something like that. I don't really
13:50encourage myself with people like that.
13:52You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm
13:54a positive person. So, I like being
13:56around positive people. People trying to
13:58work. You know what I'm saying? And
14:00better myself. You know, like I said, I
14:02don't really hang around with negative
14:04people.
14:06So, let's go back to Friday night. All
14:08right. What time did you get off work?
14:12I say it was like
14:15close to dark. Close. But it was still
14:18daylight after. Yeah. As a matter of
14:20fact, I had to catch the bus on. Okay.
14:24Yeah. I had to wait for the bus 2 hours.
14:28Gotcha. You know what I mean? Yeah. You
14:30know, I got m I caught the 6 the 612 bus
14:36of bus I was coming from and coming
14:38back. Now I walked home. You know what
14:41I'm saying? And it took me a shower
14:44told. Where'd you walk from? I walked
14:47from they let me they turned that corner
14:50you know. Do you know which street he's
14:52talking about the streets man?
14:56Okay I'm tell where they drop me off.
14:57They drive me off right
15:00like a boat place. It was like a boat
15:03place CVS that corner where you where
15:06the bus go down to the to the bus
15:09station down there. Okay. Dropped me off
15:12at the corner. It was me, three other
15:14Haitian women in my GM from Burger King.
15:18Okay. Gotcha. All us walked across the
15:21street. I came straight down and went
15:24home. Okay.
15:26And then soon as you got home, you took
15:28a shower. Took a shower. We left us one
15:29minute. And it was still daylight out of
15:31the day. No, it was dark. Oh, it was
15:32dark at this point. I said it's like an
15:34hour or something from, you know. So,
15:35what time you think it was you were
15:36home? Taking a shower.
15:39[ __ ] I don't I don't I mean I It was
15:42dark outside. It was dark. As a matter
15:45of fact, when I got back to stop, it was
15:49dark. The bus cuz the buses had their
15:52lights off. Okay. And I was dozing off
15:54on the bus. And I was tired, bro. Doing
15:57roof. That's what I do. I put blue tops
16:00on roof. Some stuff like that.
16:03That's what I do. All right.
16:07So, you you go back, you get off the
16:10bus, you go to your house, shower. It's
16:13dark. It just got dark. So, it been
16:16dark. It was dark. It was dark. I mean,
16:18not real pitch black, but you know, like
16:21about seven or something. All right. So,
16:23about seven. So, you take a shower, you
16:24take a quick nap. Yeah. And then get up.
16:28Realize I needed some cigarette. Yeah.
16:31You and Travis time. What time you think
16:33it is now? You got hurt. You said about
16:357:00. Took a nap or shower. Took a nap.
16:37What time do you think it is? I said
16:38probably
16:40it's got to be brown. 8 something. 8:00.
16:448. All right. I'm not sure. Don't quote
16:46me. I'm just saying. I'm No, I got you.
16:48I got you. You walk up to town, get the
16:50squares, come back. I'll go upstairs,
16:54take a cup of beer. She call me when you
16:57coming home.
17:00So, what time do you think it is that
17:01you went back downstairs? So
17:09stay home.
17:11Like when y'all came at night, that's
17:13why I be there this time. So what about
17:16uh
17:18about yesterday? What' you do yesterday
17:20all day?
17:22Stayed at home. What' you do at the
17:23house? Just watch TV. Play on my
17:27computer or watch some movies. Did you
17:30do any cleaning?
17:32Um yeah, I did. I need to clean. I
17:35cleaned the whole house on from the
17:37front to the back. Took one of the girls
17:40that was on the porch. Took it to the
17:42front. Then it's cuz it's a bad smell.
17:46Y'all probably smell in the same way in
17:48the back. I did the same thing. What'
17:49you do? I just um just ra my house. What
17:53do you mean by rake? Like outside?
17:55Outside. Okay. You know what I'm saying?
17:58Then like I said the same thing with the
17:59front. Actually, I had asked some guys
18:01upstairs to help me with it, but they
18:03didn't. And I got had my girl
18:05complaining about the smell. So, I I did
18:08it myself. I loaded on the You see, if
18:11you go right now, you can see it's a
18:12shopping cart
18:15and I um I set the boxes on the shopping
18:17cart and put it out to the curb. I'm
18:19always clean. I get OCD.
18:23That's like what I did, man. That's what
18:25I did. What about Did you clean the
18:27inside at all or just the outside?
18:30Um yeah, inside till I clean my back
18:34clean my bath and my toilets and stuff
18:36just to tell her to help her out cuz she
18:38prayed. Right. Right. That's it. You
18:40know that's it.
18:44Um tell me about the white bag you put
18:45out yesterday. The white trash bag. The
18:48white trash bag. Yeah. That you put out
18:54a white Yeah. And you put it up. There's
18:57no question on this. You put the white
18:58trash bag up. You didn't put out the
19:00trash. You put it out right next to your
19:03neighbors. Pretty much
19:05I had it. I had a no white bag from the
19:08white bag with no white bag. Is that
19:10when I have the wrong color?
19:12I do have the wrong color. Yeah. I
19:13didn't put What color was it? Black. The
19:15black. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. That that
19:18came all from the garbage out my house
19:20and all the stuff outside this this
19:23trash. Bought the Halloween candy and
19:26stuff like that. this trash. You know
19:28what I'm saying? Stuff like that.
19:32Okay. What else was in there? Um, it was
19:35I It was a white garbage can out there.
19:38My garbage girl. It was full up and I
19:41got I just got I don't know what was in
19:42it. So, I just put the black bag over
19:45and I dumped it in there. You know what
19:47I'm saying? I just t the key in the
19:50California. What if I tell you that
19:52didn't exactly happen?
19:54Well, how did it happen? You put other
19:57stuff in it from inside it and dump the
19:59thing in it. No, no, no. I I dumped the
20:02the thing first, then house, I was
20:05getting like bags and stuff like that.
20:07Those bags? Garbage. What kind of
20:10garbage? Like hangers.
20:13Hangers. Um Um
20:16I don't know what it was, man. It's I
20:18just cleaning. You know what I'm saying?
20:19I was on the clean break. That's all.
20:21That's all it was. I mean, I don't know
20:23exactly. This was trash. accumulate in
20:26my house cuz I don't have a trash can in
20:28my house. So we used the grocery bags to
20:31put our trash in. So I just was taking
20:33them and put them in the garbage. So I
20:35swing.
20:39Can you tell me it?
20:43Just some key ones. Maybe I don't
20:46remember. There were hangers in there.
20:47Yep. Were there clothes in there? Yes.
20:50What clothes were in there?
20:53Oh, it was it's a red. It was a red
20:55shirt. Okay. That was my board. I had
20:58red shirt and gray shirt that was
21:00hanging on my porch that we used like
21:02when we get out the shower and we put
21:04our feet on. Yeah. Then we put them out
21:07there, hang them up on the back porch.
21:09And that's that's what I know in there.
21:13Is there a black shirt in there?
21:16About the black shirt? About the black
21:18shirt that I didn't put no black shirt
21:20in there. You put a black shirt in
21:21there. I'm not. This isn't I mean I can
21:25promise you that you're the one who put
21:27it in there. We I'll be honest. We
21:30watched you all day. Okay. You see I
21:32ain't do know I did was do was clean.
21:34All I told you all I did was dump the
21:36garbage man. You know what I'm saying? I
21:38ain't black. I don't remember. What else
21:41was there? Black pair of shorts too. Is
21:43that correct?
21:45No. No. Not that that I none my n I did
21:49not put no no black shirt or no black
21:51shorts in that you know what I'm saying
21:52in that bag. I just was cleaning up
21:55around my you know cuz matter fact my
21:56neighbors complaining about the flies
21:58and the smell. That's why I was doing
22:01you know. So I mean he had that
22:04yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. I did it cuz I
22:08got back to work. I had to stop back to
22:11work Friday. You know what I'm saying?
22:12Back at Burger King. I was getting
22:14myself together. You know what I mean?
22:15for my giants. So at 8 o'clock on Friday
22:21approximately because you're not sure
22:22what time so say that for sure but 8
22:25o'clock you walked to Tom. I walked to
22:27Tom. Okay. Which way did you go?
22:31Straight up. So you you weren't on Live
22:34or walking down that way there where
22:36Well, was it every street? Live. No,
22:40straight up. That's my street coming out
22:43my front door. straight as the time and
22:46straight back. My only routes I take.
22:49And you went inside. You didn't just get
22:51to the door and then walk away. I went
22:53inside. What are you wearing then?
23:01I
23:03figure you mean you just got up to a
23:06shower, took a nap, get up, put on
23:08clothes. Yeah. Think about those clothes
23:10you put on.
23:13Yeah. Like
23:16I play I some shorts on like a little
23:20t-shirt
23:21like a blue probably my blue
23:25t-shirt with a gray on it thing and
23:27probably I don't really you know what
23:30I'm saying I work so much you know I'll
23:31be tired you know what I'm saying so you
23:34know where did you get the Halloween
23:36mask that's at your house which one I'm
23:39not sure which one was it
23:42there's one like right by the door
23:44That's the people upstairs. Okay.
23:46Michelle and CJ, they should stay. They
23:49stayed up there. So that's why the
23:50reason we went through all that stuff
23:52through, you know, the the lights and
23:55the whole place cuz things up there.
23:59That's what they are. You know what I'm
24:00saying? They don't I ain't no secret. I
24:02don't like them. They don't like me cuz
24:04I call them all what they are. You know
24:06what I'm saying? That's the problems.
24:08All the problems going over at that
24:10address. Matter of fact, the ones who
24:12told me about the place when I was at
24:14Burger King. Well, I got somewhere else
24:16where y'all can live at you and your
24:18girl. You know what I'm saying? But
24:19y'all, we you out there. What's your
24:21money? The landlord don't want y'all
24:23money. Give it to us. They call yourself
24:25the caretaker of the property. Y about
24:28the BS.
24:30You know. All right. I'm going to love
24:32it with a complete degree. All right.
24:34Your name has come up multiple times,
24:37multiple people and a downfire. All
24:40right. That's why first I'll let you go
24:42by the name Detroit.
24:45Just
24:47because this isn't coming from just one
24:49person is coming from multiple people.
24:51Okay. All right. All right. And also put
24:54you at the treehouse.
24:57Tree house. The treehouse on Mortal
25:00Avenue where you stayed. Where I stay?
25:03You said you stayed a month ago or
25:04whatever. Over there a month ago. Yeah.
25:07pick up something.
25:09Hold on. It's not good. So, we have
25:12people putting you there Friday and also
25:16I have video from Tom Thumb. All right.
25:19And I've gone through partial. I have to
25:21go through some more because you said
25:22your times may not be exactly correct,
25:25but I went through it at the time we're
25:26talking about you're not at Tom Thumb.
25:28So, maybe your time is off a little bit.
25:30So, I go through and I can verify one
25:31way or another that I was. Yeah. We also
25:35have
25:37Uh, Florida Keys Electric Company video
25:39from them. Okay. Okay. They put you
25:41somewhere else.
25:43Friday. Friday about 8:00 p.m. A little
25:46bit before I guess it was.
25:50Where was I at? Where was I at? That's
25:52where I would like you to tell me. I'm
25:54trying to figure
25:57I told you everything I knew far where I
25:59was coming from. You know what I'm
26:00saying? They had to even come from
26:02across the street, coming from the bus.
26:05This was way after that bus.
26:10I can't I can't
26:13you know what I'm saying? And then fire
26:16people saying my name.
26:19I ain't no control of that. You know
26:21what I'm saying? A lot of people don't
26:22like me. Really tell you the truth. Hold
26:24on back. Because nobody knows you. So
26:27why don't they like you? Because I am. I
26:29don't take no [ __ ] and I don't deal with
26:32nothing negative. That's what that cops.
26:34That's why I got I got put out of cops
26:36cuz I ain't I don't like being around
26:38negative people and that's all that was.
26:41You know what I'm saying? I'm not
26:42perfect. Okay. You know what I'm saying?
26:44But I'm on a mission. I'm on a mission
26:46to take care of myself and be a better
26:49person for my son. That's it. We ain't
26:52trying to work like that. I want nothing
26:54to do with you. That just how it is. I
26:57need you to to work with me here big
26:59time cuz think about Friday not a lot
27:01because I'm going to level with you
27:02right now. You're looking at murder.
27:03Okay. Who? At murder. Oh no.
27:07No. That's not me. Not me. Bro, I ain't
27:11No. That's That's why I'm here. Okay.
27:14But you got the wrong person on nothing.
27:18I ain't check my record. Nothing.
27:22Unfortunately, in this case, I'm not
27:23looking okay. At records, right? because
27:25the pastor means nothing to me. I'm
27:28looking I'm looking at Friday. Friday is
27:30what's important to me. All right. Okay.
27:32And I need help because I got some
27:36issues with your story so far that I
27:39can't I can't validate. Yeah. And if I
27:41can't validate things, that causes
27:43problems. Um and I've got multiple
27:48witnesses
27:50that are putting you where you don't
27:52want to be put. And here's the truth.
27:55Maybe you went there and you know there
27:57were two people there. It wasn't just
27:59one. Mhm. And maybe you went there to do
28:02something stupid but not kill anybody.
28:05No. No. I was I was no
28:10but that's you got the wrong person that
28:13cussing somebody out like that. That's
28:16my bad. But far as you know
28:19no that's not me. I'm not.
28:22No, you got the wrong person around.
28:25It's not me, bro. Seriously. When was
28:28the last time you got the treehouse? I
28:30told her a month ago when I went and
28:32bought some weed. Matter of fact, God
28:34took me over there and I dealt with this
28:36fat dude. Little short fat dude. Got the
28:39weed. White or black? He's a black.
28:43You know what I mean? I don't know. My
28:46you know,
28:48tell me this. Maybe you can help me out.
28:50Why would everybody in the neighborhood
28:54like I know you said and I'll be honest
28:56telling well nobody likes me doesn't
28:59help me
29:01and say that nobody likes me when
29:02previously you told me that nobody knows
29:05you doesn't make sense so I need to know
29:08why people will put you out I don't know
29:12I mean you know ask my neighbors you
29:15know they they know they know me they
29:17see me every day you know what I'm
29:18saying
29:19They see me in the back of my house
29:22smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer.
29:24Everybody on that whole stretch know me.
29:26You know what I'm saying? Know what kind
29:28of person I am? Know I take care of my
29:30family. What you talking about something
29:31about some some murder? No, that's not
29:34even my You even heard about the murder.
29:37Yeah, I heard all the news and
29:39everything. My matter of fact, my
29:41neighbor talking to me about it tonight.
29:43Brian, he talking, you know, like I'm
29:45like, who's Brian? Tell me about Brian.
29:47the skinny dude straight next door to
29:50me. All right. Cool guy. Real cool guy.
29:53You know what I'm saying? He just tell
29:54me right now for real. You know what I'm
29:57saying? That like I said, that's not
29:59anymore. I'm never
30:02even came home. The only mess with my
30:05I'mma tell you the truth. But this still
30:08this whole like that. No, bro. No.
30:11You got to help me up because right now,
30:14you know,
30:16things aren't adding up at all. Okay.
30:18I'm being honest with you. A whole lot.
30:20Okay. Well, like I said, I I'm telling a
30:23lot of guys, too. I ain't running
30:26nobody. I ain't even on my mind. You
30:28know what I'm saying? My man is working.
30:30That's it. I'll tell you what. I'm going
30:32to step out for a little. All right. No,
30:33cuz I got to make a phone call anyway.
30:35And I need you to think about Friday
30:36night. All right. Think about why maybe
30:38you weren't at Tom Think you were. Why
30:40you on another street
30:43instead of there? I don't know why the
30:47street I was on.
30:49Seriously, I don't know what and think
30:51about the clothes you threw out
30:52yesterday. How those may have gotten in
30:53there, what the deal with those clothes
30:56might be. Someone else may have thrown
30:57them there or whatever. I just need to
30:58know what to deal with. I just clean up
31:01um like I told you um all I just clean
31:04up, you know what I'm saying? around my
31:05house getting all this stuff from
31:07hanging on on matter of fact it's a
31:09shirt right now was hanging up on the
31:12back porch you know what I'm saying you
31:14know what I mean that's all dude
31:15collecting all the garbage you got you
31:18got to understand coming from law okay
31:20we have issues is you took this one bag
31:23and you separated it from your property
31:25you know you moved it closer to the
31:27neighbor's house it was just one bag I
31:29put the whole guy No that's yeah just
31:31one bag move over to to my biters.
31:34That's why I always keep all my garbage.
31:36Even my garbage cans where the garbage
31:38can there. Yeah. No doing this. You
31:43know, my every my talking to you. We got
31:46to get into the toilet. Yeah. That's my
31:48everyday thing. You know what I'm
31:50saying? What you when you say you watch
31:52me when you saw me doing this what I do.
31:54You know what I'm saying? I clean. I
31:56clean. I get OCD. Like I clean. That's
31:59all I done. That's true. But can I be
32:01honest with you too? I need help with
32:02this OCD thing because I know a lot of
32:04people that are OCD. I'll be honest with
32:06you. My sergeant big time. You take OCD?
32:09Okay. I I just was in your house, right?
32:12Yeah. I don't know of a single OCD
32:14person that could live in my house. Oh,
32:16you mean that the storage room? Yeah.
32:18That's not my house. Is that where
32:19you're sleeping? I don't know. You're in
32:21the back. We just went. Yeah. You sleep?
32:25Yeah. Yeah. Them two rooms. Yeah. That's
32:27where I sleep. It's clean. It's clean
32:30for OCD clean. It's clean the best I
32:33can. It's clean the best I can clean it.
32:36You know what I'm saying? Far, you know,
32:38device and stuff. You know what I'm
32:39saying? Yep. So, but like I said, you
32:42know what I'm saying? You probably got
32:44the wrong [ __ ] on that. That's a my
32:46wrong. Here's the problem. It's not just
32:48me that has the wrong person apparently.
32:50Okay. There's a whole bunch of people
32:51that has the wrong person. I don't come
32:52here off of one person. I don't come
32:53here off of two people. Okay. All right.
32:56Fine. So, I got to figure out what's
32:58going on. And I'll be honest, like I
33:00said, I'm not going to lie to you
33:01through this. I don't lie. No point to
33:03Yeah. Right now, you are looking at I'm
33:06not going to lie to you and say that.
33:08And right now, you're not free to leave.
33:11I mean, what on what grounds? What what
33:14what grounds? Because you've been picked
33:16out. I've been picked out. Level for
33:19starters. And there's other things, too,
33:21that I don't want to get involved or I
33:22won't talk about right now. Okay. Okay.
33:24He said, "But here's the what I want you
33:26to do." Okay? I want you to take a
33:28minute. I want to step out. I want to
33:30give you a minute. I don't really start.
33:32I mean, fine. You fine. I don't need no
33:36minute cuz I'm I'm not about to Oh,
33:38admit somebody did not do, bro. I put
33:40down my unborn child. I'm not about to
33:43admit that, bro. That's not me. I know.
33:46By no means you admit you didn't. I did
33:49not do that, bro. I didn't, man.
33:51Seriously. I swear to God on my life
33:53right now. So, let's back it up again.
33:55All right. Okay. Because this is where I
33:57need your help. This is where Okay.
34:00Here's where
34:03there's some kind of beef somewhere.
34:05Okay.
34:07And whether
34:11someone's got beef with you and trying
34:13to do something like this or whether
34:16someone set you up to do something and
34:18then something bad happened when you
34:19were there that you had no intention of
34:21happening.
34:23Come on, man. And I'm not saying that
34:25you killed anybody in that case.
34:28Officer, I did not kill nobody. I don't
34:31know who killed nobody. You know what
34:33I'm saying? When you call me there
34:35tonight, that's where I be at. You say
34:37you was watching me yesterday. I was at
34:39home. That's where I be at. I don't know
34:41what's the people you talking with your
34:43people. I don't know really. I don't
34:46know. You know what I'm saying? But like
34:47you said, you had me under surve. That's
34:50where I be at. Like tonight, I don't go
34:53I don't do nothing. I don't do nothing.
34:55So I'm telling you that's all I got.
34:56I'll do now. I'll be there with my girl
34:59comfort her and the baby. You know what
35:02I'm saying? How about even be stupid
35:04even to do something and I got a baby
35:07body to clean this world. No, that's not
35:08me. I'm way smarter than that, brother.
35:11Is there anybody else at that house that
35:12looks identical to you or anything? I'll
35:15be honest. Here's the problems. I even
35:17have evidence trailing to your place.
35:19Not all the way up to your door. Yeah,
35:20but taking the bath to your house,
35:25I go through the back door. You know
35:27what I'm saying? That's that's my entry.
35:29What? Going upstairs, that's on them up
35:32there. Honest God, true. Matter of fact,
35:35my girl don't even like me up there. You
35:38know what I mean? Okay. She Yeah, she
35:41Yeah, she up there. Yeah, she don't like
35:43me up there. I don't cuz she know I
35:44don't do She know I'm better than what
35:47goes on there. I really can't tell what
35:49goes up there. home up there cuz I
35:51really don't see it. But when I see it,
35:53I smoke a cigarette, drink a beer, I'm
35:56out. I got to go cuz she call me. [ __ ]
35:58you doing up there for I don't want you
36:00around. I don't. You know what I'm
36:02saying? I I I don't seriously. That's I
36:05got your mom. My back entrance is in the
36:08back of my house where my neighbors can
36:10see. Well, y'all came out there tonight
36:11where I step out, smoke a cigarette, not
36:14go back in the house. All right. You
36:15know what I'm saying? All of that would
36:17go on upstairs and there'd be a lot of
36:20people over there. You know what I mean?
36:22I don't have nothing to do with that.
36:25You know what I'm saying? Tell you what,
36:26give me a couple. You hungry? Yeah. You
36:29want a piece of pizza? Yeah.
36:32Okay.
36:34You got some more. You need water?
36:36Yours? What's that? Give me a little
36:39just cuz it's pain. Yeah. I'll get you
36:42some food. Okay.
36:45You like pepperoni and mushrooms? That's
36:47cool.
37:04Finished with that water. You want
37:05another one?
37:09Perfect.
37:26Hey, first I just want to clear up that
37:28probably wasn't the most clear with the
37:29DNA. Obviously, you know, we get a lot
37:32of evidence coming in and everything
37:33else from the scene and other places and
37:35it just gives us so we can compare it.
37:37Oh yeah. Well, I ain't been
37:40If I ain't told you I go and do it ain't
37:43nothing good
37:45nothing trust I ain't nothing do nothing
37:48I do is go to work and take care of my
37:51family but it's all I do you know what
37:53I'm saying when's the baby
37:57do oh really anytime now yeah anytime
38:01now be at home
38:04do nothing I go to work
38:07last couple days I've been You know what
38:09I'm saying? No, right cuz you make
38:12complain in pain. So I say I'm stick
38:14here. I'm stick by the house where I
38:16used to live. That's why I made the
38:18house. I was a mailbox and back to the
38:22house. Bro, like I said, what go
38:24downstairs?
38:26I don't know, bro. I mean, I know it's a
38:28lot of legal [ __ ] go up there, but
38:31to do with me, you know what I mean? You
38:33know what I'm saying? My girl, she
38:35probably probably talk to her. She
38:36probably don't like nobody up there and
38:39she don't like me up there. So I don't
38:40be up there that much. So I go be
38:42smoking cigarette. That's why I could be
38:44outside smoking [ __ ] getting bit up by a
38:46mosquito. Okay, that's it. You know I'm
38:49not a bad guy, bro. I'm definitely ain't
38:51no damn murderer, bro. Only raised like
38:54that, bro. Come on. That's not me. Okay,
38:56you know it's not, you know, honest
38:59truth, bro. I did a lot of [ __ ] in my
39:02life, but never did nothing like that. I
39:04wouldn't even do it.
39:07It's best know I got a baby on the way
39:09right now. Come on. I need that smack
39:12myself in the face. That's my concern.
39:16Okay.
39:20Um I mean we have talked to April.
39:22Obviously they've been talking to her
39:24and they just called because things that
39:26she talked about. Um
39:29I do have some questions those things
39:31you said. So,
39:35first I'm curious, uh, you you were
39:37pretty
39:39consistent that nobody calls you
39:40Detroit.
39:42I mean, they probably some part people I
39:46I don't go by cuz that's not my name.
39:48They call me they want to call me. I
39:51don't have to answer. You know what I
39:52mean? Is there a reason that even April
39:54would say that you go by Detroit?
39:57because some like I said some people
40:00might call me without me on my answer.
40:02You know what I mean? Okay. Cuz I don't
40:04trust people. You know what I'm saying?
40:06And if I wait even even the type of
40:08restraint anyway, you know what I'm
40:10saying? But since I've been here, I've
40:12been getting screwed over the other got
40:16screwed over my money here. You know
40:18what I'm saying? Own this place. When I
40:20first got here, I guess unless my loan
40:23some money, I got screwed that. So I I
40:27was getting tired the whole Key West
40:28thing. Anyway, I go have my baby for the
40:31house, bro. Give a little bit and I go
40:34just move. You know what I'm saying? Cuz
40:36it's just so it's negative, bro. I don't
40:39like being around negative stuff, bro.
40:41No, that's honestly choke, bro. Okay.
40:43You know, I mean, I'm not a bad I try to
40:46help you. You know what I'm saying? I
40:48give to share my bad. I'm not a bad
40:50person. I don't I just don't like
40:52negativity, you know, being around me.
40:55That's why I be at home, right? And I
40:57don't think you're a bad person. I
40:58really don't. I'm not, bro. Seriously,
41:00I'm not. Where you're at the wrong place
41:01at the wrong time kind of thing. No. No.
41:06Move that D. You take that D. Get that D
41:08because you said the DNA go clear my
41:11name if I had some some crime scene.
41:14That's why I clarified. I should have
41:15said clear your name. Obviously, you
41:16have DNA from the seed and everything
41:18else that we can compare things to.
41:20There's more than, you know, it's more
41:22than DNA alone.
41:25You ain't ain't nothing in my house. You
41:27know what I'm saying? You know about me,
41:30sir. I mean, this I'm supposed to keep
41:32it real. No about What What were you
41:34wearing again Friday night when you got
41:35up? Did you Were you able to remember?
41:38Probably
41:41know what I mean. I just I just throw I
41:42just throw shorts on the t-shirt on.
41:45What they look like?
41:47Probably like blue. Blue. Blue. My
41:50favorite color. I wear like blue. Blue
41:53and gray. You see, I got, you know, solo
41:56work. Yeah.
41:59So, and what did you do the rest of the
42:01weekend?
42:03Did you hang out with your wife a lot?
42:05All the time. The entire time.
42:09Let me see. I probably probably went
42:10upstairs for a minute, but
42:13far I go upstairs or my place like
42:17hanging out. Hanging out. Yeah. you
42:19know.
42:23Um, what time did you go to bed? What
42:26time did you fall asleep?
42:28She uh bed
42:30tell you I I remember she I was sitting
42:33in the chair and she told me to get in
42:36the bed. I was I was in the chair going
42:39sitting in the chair and she told me to
42:41get in the bed. Do you remember her
42:43telling her to mind her own business?
42:48Think back
42:52around midnight.
43:00Is there a reason she would have said
43:01that? You told me that.
43:07Something about Tyrone being outside.
43:12She hate Ty. So she probably she hates
43:15I'm she just don't like him. So I don't
43:19even remember that. You know what I'm
43:20saying? I don't about Tyro being naked
43:23from the waist down putting his clothes
43:24in a little baggie
43:30that I don't where I want to help you
43:32here. I do
43:34naked but it's
43:37closed.
43:40put them in a little baggie like the
43:41little baggie that you put in the big
43:43black bag.
43:49I mean, I'm sorry for this. Take a
43:52minute. Take a minute. Take a minute to
43:54think.
43:59I'm not in the hood, man. Take your time
44:00to think. It's important that we get the
44:02facts.
44:07No, I don't check it. I don't remember.
44:10I don't remember doing that, man. My She
44:13said I said, "Man, my bed." You're still
44:15up watching TV. Okay. Okay. And
44:18apparently she woke up. Fine. Walked
44:21out. Yeah. Found Rory naked from the
44:23waist down outside by a shed type thing.
44:26Found me naked.
44:29Who did I say? No, I said be outside.
44:32Found Tyrone. I guess she calls him Ty.
44:34Ty. Found naked from the waist down.
44:38Okay. outside of the shed putting his
44:40clothes in the small baggie,
44:42like the ones that were in the big trash
44:44bag that you had had.
44:47And when she started to say something,
44:50you told her that she needs to mind her
44:52own business.
44:57And then the rest of the weekend, you
45:00pretty much spent upstairs with Tai,
45:04talking to Tai way more than normal.
45:07I mean that's, you know, that's, you
45:09know, we used to smoke, right? You know,
45:11I cop, you know what I'm saying? He been
45:13there since the hurricane. You know what
45:16I mean? But and I'll be honest with you,
45:18so far I got to go back now talking
45:20about it because apparently he's lied to
45:23me
45:25cuz her story now completely contradicts
45:28this. Well, what I'm going to say is the
45:31truth, bro. You know what I'm saying?
45:33Well, I'll be honest. All right. And not
45:35by no means do I want to make you mad.
45:36You heard? But you can't tell me that
45:38everything you've been telling me is
45:40honest when now all of a sudden I'm
45:43finding details aren't honest. You know,
45:45but I'm still like, you know, me, bro.
45:47No, I'm saying with you. Me. You know
45:49what I'm saying? You were You were very
45:51adamant at the beginning about Detroit
45:53and now no one's called me that in a
45:54long time. They have been. You know what
45:56I'm saying? I don't They haven't. I
45:58don't, you know, they make they can call
46:00me anything. I mean, I'm going try to
46:02tell you. I don't answer. But April
46:04calls you
46:06sometimes. It piss me off. Just to piss
46:09me off. You know what I'm saying? That's
46:11why. You know what I'm saying? Why does
46:12it piss you off? Because that's not my
46:15name. You know what I'm saying? You got
46:17four, five. Nino is not your name,
46:19right? Yeah, but I prefer Nino. Why do
46:22you prefer Nino over Detroit? Why would
46:23Detroit piss you off and not Nino?
46:26Neither one is your name. Yeah, but you
46:28know this this person from some good
46:30friends up up north called me that's how
46:34would how would Tai know
46:39that's what he called me? Yeah, but if
46:40it was your good friends up north they
46:42called you that. How would he know that
46:43to call you that? because he'd be
46:45hearing me on the phone when I talk to
46:47people from north and then he hear
46:54that's the only way
46:59just I apologize on the phone when
47:02you're talking you good
47:07I mean you know cuz I get a lot of phone
47:09calls from from my people up you know
47:11what I'm saying checking on me see how
47:13I'm doing you know while coming home for
47:15Thanksgiving, Christmas, holidays like
47:17that. So, April will be able to verify
47:19that. That's good. Yeah, that's what I'm
47:21saying. And when they call you, you
47:24know, like I said, but and I also am
47:26curious because April said that people
47:28down here call you like that's normal
47:30for you to She didn't say it takes you
47:32off or anything like that. Oh, no. She
47:34know what it do though. She know I ain't
47:37got nothing to know what I'm saying.
47:41Nothing. On the other hand, I ain't
47:42trying to protect nobody, but I dare so
47:45know I ain't you know what I'm saying? I
47:46ain't But here's again, you got to help
47:50me understand because I don't I'll be
47:53perfectly honest. And she's your she
47:55your baby.
47:57Yeah, she your baby mama. She not your
47:58wife or anything, but pretty much is
48:00like isn't. But she Yeah, exactly. You
48:03guys been together a long time. If my my
48:06baby mama come in and say why is Rory
48:10out front at the shed undressing putting
48:12clothes in the bag one I would remember
48:14that and that's one of those things that
48:15just you know it's not an everyday
48:17thing. Yeah. I mean Rory's or not Rory
48:20T's a little strange. I've noticed that
48:22but that strange. Yeah. I mean so I
48:26can't say I'm confused about how
48:27something like that you forget. But I
48:30didn't seen him. I ain't seen him do
48:32that. But I mean, is it you think
48:35April's lying to us? I mean, she ain't
48:38never told me about that. Okay. So, she
48:41is lying to us. Say she lying. I don't
48:43say that cuz she I mean, she's just
48:45telling us that, you know, obviously she
48:47has spoke to you and you told her to
48:50mind her a business. Probably like, you
48:52know, about
48:53something like that. I me
48:56[ __ ] myself. When the hell you I mean
48:59what the hell you doing, bro? I'm saying
49:02I mean I can't honestly tell you, you
49:04know, I just got you, bro. Seriously, so
49:08why would Help me out here? Why would
49:10April lie to us about that? Maybe she
49:13didn't like it. Maybe she she said she
49:16saw him. Yeah,
49:19I don't know. April, but April bipol,
49:23you know, but I didn't see that. I
49:26can't, you know what I'm saying? I'm not
49:28going to stay outside of my dinner, bro.
49:30You know what I'm saying? It don't no
49:31matter what. That just me. I'm not going
49:34to, you know, I'm not going to allow
49:35nobody even allow on myself. You know
49:38what I'm saying? But what you talking
49:40about, you know, I'm facing that's
49:43that's all BS for you know. Mama always
49:46told me what's in the dark will come to
49:48light. It never had nothing to do with
49:50that, bro. You know what I'm saying? I
49:51agree with that. You know, I agree to
49:54the Lord. Absolutely. You know, but like
49:56I said, my thing is my my my son, bro,
49:59you know, that's all it's about, man.
50:01You know, before even this before even
50:03coming to Key West, it's all about my
50:05baby working hard to put a roof over
50:08here. Chewing the April don't like
50:10nobody who I hang around. April want all
50:13my time. That why I try to give her all
50:15my time to keep her happy. But for
50:17somebody take me away from April 15
50:20minutes,
50:22April don't like it. That's just April.
50:24We going through this for five years,
50:26bro. Police been on been my house
50:29numerous times, bro. She know what I'm
50:31saying. Numerous time cuz her
50:34insecurities, you know, check the file,
50:36everything. Yeah, we saw the there's a
50:38domestic in the past over there. Yeah.
50:40Well, not no domestic, but you know,
50:42just call what y'all might call it was
50:44no violence, nothing like that. No.
50:46Yeah. Domestic just means you guys were
50:47in argument. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it
50:49it be about. You know what I'm saying?
50:52She want me with her 24/7. She just
50:55she's like that. That's why I've been
50:57trying I've been trying to do especially
50:59her being pregnant. I've been trying to
51:01be that. You know what I mean?
51:05I just got you, bro. You know, I don't
51:08know what else I can say. But so who did
51:10the the Halloween mask downstairs? Who
51:13did that belong to? That was like
51:15Michelle and CJ's know they would be
51:17decorating and [ __ ] but they they not
51:19there. I don't know. They've been there.
51:21They might come there. You know what I'm
51:23saying? Is there a reason why April
51:25would say it belongs to Tai?
51:30I know that's She don't like T. I told
51:34she don't like him. Ain't no secret. You
51:36know what I'm saying? But I know that
51:38you told me was in that hallway, right?
51:41That's Michelle and CJ's stairs. I think
51:45it's right to get to the steps. Am I
51:46correct on that? Where was it at? I'm
51:47trying to remember. Like going up the
51:49stairs in the front. That's their
51:50interest. My interest is in the back.
51:53Okay. That's the interest I use. Okay.
51:56But it was hard. I just wanted to make
51:58sure we were talking about the same
51:59matter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You
52:00talking to the screen.
52:02It's like it's like a screen one time.
52:04Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That thing been
52:06hanging up there for the longest. Okay.
52:08You know what I mean? And the beads and
52:10stuff like that, you know? work.
52:15And
52:19um
52:21we found a pair of shoes upstairs, too.
52:24A pair of tennis shoes. Okay. That had a
52:27bunch of blood on top of them.
52:30Upstairs? Yeah. Okay. I stay downstairs
52:34one. Do you know anything about them,
52:35man? No, I don't I don't need nothing to
52:37borrow them. I don't. Honestly, I don't.
52:40You know what I'm saying? I don't you
52:42know everything in my house it's mine.
52:46Okay. I'm I'm not everything because I'm
52:50holding some of Travis stuff cuz he had
52:51went to jail. Right. Right. You know
52:56I don't know who done it. You know what
52:58I'm saying? Ramp page the place took a
53:00lot of his stuff. So he trust me the
53:03first room not the room I was sleeping
53:05in the first room. That's a lot of
53:07stuff. I'm keeping it for him. Gotcha.
53:09You know what I mean? You know, like I
53:11said, man, you know, I'm not a bad
53:12person. I'm a good person from, you
53:14know, I'm trying to help somebody out,
53:15but I'm not going to allow nobody. You
53:17know what I'm saying? And I'm not going
53:19to take nothing from nobody. I'm go out
53:21there and work for my That's all I've
53:22been doing all my life. You know what
53:24I'm saying? Cuz I ain't been in trouble
53:25since 2010. I learned my lesson and I've
53:29been straight forward since then. Got
53:32you. You know what I mean? No, no, you
53:36no rooms, no hand, none of that, bro.
53:38All right. You know what I'm saying?
53:39That's that's not me. I you know I'm a I
53:42ain't perfect. I'm trying to change my
53:44life for my kids, bro. They're getting
53:46older. You know what I mean? You know,
53:49so when you came back from the Tom
53:51Thumb, did you go in through the your
53:54normal door like you're going into your
53:55house and then go upstairs? Yeah, I went
53:58I went to my own
54:01office where my key. Yeah. I don't get a
54:03key to that front door. Okay, there you
54:06go. So you walked past April and all
54:08that then? What you mean walk past?
54:10Well, because you came in normal tour,
54:12which is when y'all came put on guns on
54:17scared mess. I ain't going to lie. You
54:19would have walked past April then to go
54:21upstairs. April in the back. She in the
54:23front, right? But you came in like you
54:27went by your bedroom, correct? Yeah.
54:29Yeah, she was there when I was there.
54:32Is there a reason she would have said
54:34that you left the house about 7:30 and
54:37came home about 9?
54:42That's probably the time I told her when
54:43I was when I went and got the cigarette.
54:46I went upstairs, had a couple of beers,
54:48but she saw you coming so she wouldn't
54:50know you were upstairs. She's saying you
54:51didn't come to the house cuz she saw you
54:53coming back to the house that night.
54:58She probably got to time me cuz I I got
55:00told I was no flight from upstairs to my
55:03house.
55:05That's where I was at. I that's why I
55:07don't go nowhere where I be at in the
55:08house. I might have my time mixed up.
55:11You know what I'm saying? But that's
55:12where that's where I go from my poss.
55:19If I was I was upstairs. No, from the
55:22house for a half. No. Where would I be?
55:24Where would I go?
55:27Nah, that's impossible. Nah,
55:31I mean, I don't even go nowhere like
55:34that. What the Tom Thumb might walk up
55:37to Jollies, you know what I mean? The
55:39liquor store or the Burger King. That's
55:42my routine. Tom Thumb. So, I mean, you
55:45may have done that that night. No. No. I
55:47didn't do all that. Tom Th
55:52only Tom. Yeah, that's only where we
55:56went. Tom D.
55:58And it was you and
56:01Travis. Can you describe Travis for
56:04white guy? So, um
56:08I
56:09good dude. He work He work up at Big P.
56:11He work at Big P. Oh, he worked for the
56:13same place you work. No, not the same
56:15place. Okay. Different location. Good
56:18guy though, bro. You know what I'm
56:19saying? Get another good I try to hang
56:21out myself. good people. You know what
56:25I'm saying? So, if I need to rush my
56:27girl to the hospital, he'll do it. You
56:29know what I'm saying? Got you. You know,
56:32cuz he got he got on some humbug, you
56:35know, he got arrested, you know, for the
56:37humbug being upstairs. I said, "Why she
56:40be on me so much like that while being
56:42out there?" But like when the police
56:44came up there, Rodriguez, all them know
56:46me from Burger King. All you know, the
56:47sheriff that they know me. He like,
56:50"Look, I know that man." You know what
56:52I'm saying? Like the dead phone a weed
56:54paint. You know what I'm saying? Some
56:56weed on camera.
56:59I got you. You know what I'm saying? All
57:00right. Going back downstairs.
57:03Went to jail. F my buddy. Oh, Travis.
57:07You know what I'm saying? For a week.
57:08But he went to court today. Oh, they
57:10they could change it though. But yeah,
57:13you know what I'm saying? You know,
57:16I don't know what I can say to you. you
57:18know, um, you know, I don't know, my
57:21name came up in come up in this this BS.
57:24You know what I'm saying? That's what it
57:26is. But we just have people that are
57:28putting you at the treehouse. So, I'm
57:30just trying to figure out. Ain't no way.
57:31And no, ain't no problem.
57:34Ain't no way. One more time. It's been
57:38like a month ago. I only got some weed.
57:40I ain't put me whoever. Can you think of
57:43anybody over there that has to share
57:45with you?
57:57I mean, cuz I mean
58:01I don't know, bro. I mean, I'm I'm
58:03trying to be I I'm honest. You But
58:07whoever whoever don't like me got
58:08problem with their self, you know what
58:10I'm saying? Cuz I'm a good dude. You
58:12know what I'm saying? I try to help. You
58:13know what I'm saying? They people people
58:15be jealous, envious, a lot of that. I
58:17see a lot of that going on in Key West.
58:20You know what I'm saying? You know, even
58:22like my neighbor, I knew he was lying
58:25though. Like he told he told the um my
58:29buddy Travis might scratch up his truck.
58:32He told me that um he saw the girl do
58:35it. But see, I knew he was lying though
58:37because this earlier that day, they had
58:39an altercation about a bad drug deal.
58:44They beat him. Who? They beat who? They
58:47beat her neighbor, bro. I guess he's the
58:49only drug. Who beat him? Huh? Who Who's
58:52the one who beat him? It was a guy tell
58:55you tell his name, but I'm not
58:58I'm not You know what I'm saying? Not
58:59looking for
59:01anyway. Is there someone that lives in
59:02your house or is that what you're
59:04talking about? the guy who the neighbor
59:07see
59:10it's four units back there right you
59:12know what I mean one to my right had a
59:16issue with one of the guys upstairs him
59:19and this girl you know what I'm saying
59:22and I knew about it and he stood right
59:26there in my face and said he saw that
59:28girl do that which I knew he was lying
59:30so I mean it's a lot of it's a lot of
59:32stuff going on on It's the island, bro.
59:35You know what I'm saying? It is. But
59:38like I said, I don't do nothing to
59:39nobody, bro. I don't. We have, you know
59:41what I'm saying? Me and my girl, we get
59:43into it. No, never no f, you know,
59:47that's that baby or her first baby. So,
59:50she scared too. You know what I'm
59:52saying? But
59:54the world know
59:56ain't no she don't like.
1:00:00I ain't know. I know that. So easy. Got
1:00:06you. She just say me and you went
1:00:09fishing. Even we would even hear with
1:00:11that. We went fishing like a lot. She
1:00:14wouldn't like it. Yeah. You know how she
1:00:16she real insecure and I don't be doing
1:00:19nothing. I'll be at home while at work.
1:00:21You know what I'm saying? She used to
1:00:22work at Burger King with me. Yeah.
1:00:26They fired her cuz she's making scenes
1:00:27cuz I was too nice to the customers
1:00:30saying don't me.
1:00:34So, you know, sister thing at at my
1:00:37house.
1:00:39Um, sort of. But do you know who that
1:00:42is?
1:00:44Who the hell is that? You recognize her?
1:00:47No. What's that?
1:00:50I don't know her.
1:00:53I was her my life. Like who the hell is
1:00:55that? Never seen her. Never. Yeah.
1:00:59Never. But you talking about now I'm
1:01:01curious what you talking about. What you
1:01:04What you found at my house? What's that?
1:01:06You say you found obviously I told you
1:01:07about the sneaker we found. That ain't
1:01:09my house. That's up there. Well, it's
1:01:10all saying your house. I mean in the
1:01:12area. Oh, cool. We obviously found the
1:01:16mask. Oh yeah.
1:01:18But the test right now ain't none of my
1:01:21myself. Come on. I never touch that
1:01:23stuff. Never. I'm like alone. And none
1:01:26of the clothes obviously that we picked
1:01:28up from the trash bag, the black trash
1:01:30bag are yours. So none of your DNA is
1:01:32going to come back on any of those on
1:01:33them shirts on like old like old shirt
1:01:36or like for my feet like that. Yeah.
1:01:38Well, I told you I was using them for to
1:01:41dry out with look most too little for
1:01:45me. That's why they was you know got too
1:01:47little including the black one. The
1:01:50black I said don't you know what I'm
1:01:52saying?
1:01:54with you know that's not going to be
1:01:56yours anyway so it's not a big deal so
1:02:00you know
1:02:01why you know my girl stress man
1:02:06girl said also when you were gone for
1:02:08that hour and a half you wearing uh
1:02:11black shirt and black shorts
1:02:15she got that
1:02:19I don't know she wouldn't have had it
1:02:22home. I didn't have that on. No, she
1:02:26wouldn't say nothing like that.
1:02:30I don't know, bro. She wouldn't say
1:02:32that. You know what I mean?
1:02:36You know what I mean? Both you and Ty
1:02:40when you guys left the house were
1:02:42wearing black. She said both was wearing
1:02:44black when he left at about 7:30.
1:02:50No. Okay.
1:02:54No, she was not I mean I wasn't there.
1:02:56Yeah, she say I can tell you that is
1:02:59what she said. That part I can tell you.
1:03:00Yeah, but she wouldn't try to hurt me
1:03:02anyway. I don't think she was doing
1:03:04anything hurting. She was just telling
1:03:05me what she saw. But not
1:03:09I don't remember. No black. No. Hey,
1:03:14I don't own that much black stuff. Okay.
1:03:16Yeah, you go through my wardrobe. I
1:03:18don't own that much black stuff. Blue
1:03:20and gray. That's my favorite colors. I
1:03:23got you. You know what I'm saying? Maybe
1:03:24with dark blue or but nothing black. You
1:03:27know what I'm saying? But again, I can't
1:03:30speak cuz I wasn't there. But all I can
1:03:32tell you is that I'm just telling you
1:03:34what she said. It's not me. She okay
1:03:37though, right? No, she's fine.
1:03:38Absolutely.
1:03:43[ __ ] I mean I can you know I've been
1:03:45honest with you bro but that what you
1:03:47said I had no part of that and then I
1:03:52saw
1:03:54was I get news alerts on my phone which
1:03:58you I think I Yeah. Yeah. That's that's
1:04:01right. I get news been telling me about
1:04:04it. You know what I'm saying? I watch
1:04:05the news a lot. You know what I mean?
1:04:07Absolutely. And then my neighbor was
1:04:08talking about it. That's far as that.
1:04:10That's the only thing I knew about it.
1:04:12And then on the news stuff it says that
1:04:15um they said what three guys something
1:04:18something like that. I mean I just read
1:04:20I just I be problem and they said they
1:04:23was wearing masks. So I mean how can
1:04:25somebody say that I was I was they saw
1:04:28me somewhere and right there on on the
1:04:31thing three or four guys something like
1:04:33that they said they was wearing mask and
1:04:36if anybody if if anybody need help with
1:04:38this it was a number. That's the only
1:04:40thing I remember about that. It's on my
1:04:41phone. I mean, I'll be honest with you.
1:04:42You got to keep in mind we are very
1:04:45limited in what we put out. I mean, and
1:04:48the news gets about 25% of what we put
1:04:51out. They get 25% right. Well, well, I'm
1:04:53just saying though, you know, I mean,
1:04:54cuz like if if these did they man how
1:04:59how my you know what I'm saying? Go
1:05:01point me out. I ain't been in Orlando. I
1:05:03ain't been in trouble to be in Atlanta.
1:05:05You know what I'm saying? So, how
1:05:06somebody pick me up, you know what I'm
1:05:08saying? That's That's why I That's why I
1:05:11was saying thinking. I mean, why why all
1:05:13this coming from? That's why I was
1:05:14asking if you had beef with people.
1:05:16Maybe that would explain that, but I
1:05:17guess you don't.
1:05:20Far from Cox though. Losers up in CS.
1:05:24What are their names? Help me out.
1:05:28I mean, I don't know. If there's someone
1:05:29that would that would, you know, smittle
1:05:31you type thing, now's the time to tell
1:05:32me about that. That's what I need to do.
1:05:37Why don't people jealous of me anyway?
1:05:39Why she going to work all the time? Why
1:05:41don't you come in with money in my
1:05:42pocket all the time?
1:05:44Just nice. Take my girl out somewhere.
1:05:47You know what I'm saying? So, a lot of
1:05:49people do jealous of me now. You know
1:05:50what I'm saying? Jealousy,
1:05:54you know, real jealous for
1:05:59you. Gotcha. I mean, you know what I
1:06:01mean? If they give up me, I'm not going
1:06:05to give up on my life. I'm saying
1:06:09with all you, you know, I'm in my prime.
1:06:12That's fine. You know, keep on working,
1:06:14doing what I got to do. You know what
1:06:16I'm saying? Cuz I ain't going to settle
1:06:18for I wasn't raised like that. I was
1:06:20raised or rock. I ain't really never get
1:06:22a whooping my way. I was, you know, out
1:06:25of eight out the baby the I get
1:06:27everything I want. You know what I'm
1:06:29saying? So that's how I raised up a
1:06:33better life, you know. Yeah. But when I
1:06:35was in CS,
1:06:37it wasn't like that. You drive me crazy.
1:06:40Well, that was my motive, my my
1:06:42initiative to get up out of there quick
1:06:43as I did. You know, I did work 60 70
1:06:46hours at Burger King, right? Jones.
1:06:50I know a lot of your officers from
1:06:52Rogue, all of them. They know me from
1:06:54there. Know me working. You know what
1:06:56I'm saying?
1:06:58I save my money and get out of there.
1:07:00But you know, that's just me. You know,
1:07:04they see me on the street, they waving
1:07:06at, how you doing? Call me by my first
1:07:08night. Know they know me. You know what
1:07:10I mean? They know they've been to my
1:07:12house. They they been when they went
1:07:15upstairs for well well before. You know
1:07:18what I'm saying? I come out speak to
1:07:19them. How you doing? You know. Yeah.
1:07:23Yeah. I didn't apolog
1:07:31between 7 and 8. That's where I
1:07:33apologize. I always tell you also and I
1:07:36know you had a job to do. Absolutely,
1:07:38Mr. Christian. But for me,
1:07:42I'm be wrong with me, bro, because
1:07:44that's not my animal. You know what I'm
1:07:46saying? It it it's not my bro, you know.
1:07:49Well, I just remember when I told you,
1:07:50but like I was I mean I do have a couple
1:07:53questions because April's telling us Ty
1:07:56and Travis left together between 4 and
1:07:575. You left the house alone between like
1:08:007 and 8, 7:30.
1:08:04Like I said, I can't get the times cuz I
1:08:06was time,
1:08:09right? You know what I'm saying? But me
1:08:11and Charlie went to the store, but I
1:08:14know that for a fact. Are you positive
1:08:15he left the house together? Maybe you
1:08:16guys met up somewhere. We left. We left.
1:08:21We left.
1:08:23We left because I was telling him, a
1:08:25matter of fact, how I know cuz he was
1:08:27about to drive his truck. Walk. I like
1:08:29no. He said, "Where you going?" I said,
1:08:30"Go me some squares." Said, "Man, you
1:08:33know he be driving, man. Chill out."
1:08:36That's when he that's exactly why he
1:08:38that's when he came and we walked up
1:08:39there. So, he was in his you met him in
1:08:41his truck. He wasn't at the house. We're
1:08:43not missing
1:08:45his truck. Bos, man, you know me
1:08:48driving, bro. You know what I'm saying?
1:08:49Cuz he wanted want me to ride with him.
1:08:52No, bro. I ain't get I ain't doing all
1:08:54of that, man. I'm I'm gone. You know
1:08:56what I'm saying? Gotcha. You know, so
1:08:59yeah, but
1:09:02like hell
1:09:04me blue and gray my colors, but that's
1:09:06like I got them on the my colors, right?
1:09:09That's what I wear. Obviously, I got
1:09:14concerned because your boyfriend mama
1:09:16was putting you in different clothes
1:09:17when it is what it is.
1:09:20You know, you do your job, bro. I ain't
1:09:22Look, I ain't got no amic issue, bro.
1:09:25It's what you do. You supposed to do it
1:09:27cuz somebody wants to do the same thing.
1:09:31But me, I ain't nothing to do with that,
1:09:33bro.
1:09:34God me down right now. I had nothing to
1:09:38do with that. That my emo stuff like
1:09:41that. I don't hang around with people
1:09:43like that.
1:09:46I got you.
1:09:48So,
1:09:51can you think back to me for Friday
1:09:52night to just try to help me out with
1:09:53the Rory thing? Because that part
1:09:55obviously is very concerning. Rory,
1:09:57that's me. Why would you want to do that
1:09:59with your name? My fault. It was a tie
1:10:01thing. Um,
1:10:04maybe you saw something that can help me
1:10:05with this, you know, because I mean,
1:10:08just try to think back because I mean,
1:10:10obviously, like you said, I mean, that's
1:10:11odd to you, too. Why the freak would he
1:10:13be doing that, you know?
1:10:15I can't I can't see that, man. It was
1:10:19shed. What What shed they talking about?
1:10:21I don't know. Like, I can't that part
1:10:22I'm not going to get right. Ain't no
1:10:24[ __ ] but he was outside at some part.
1:10:27Butt naked. I was from the waist down. I
1:10:29mean, he still had a white t-shirt on. I
1:10:31think she said butt naked besides that.
1:10:35Yeah, I can't remember. I can't
1:10:38remember that because I if I saw
1:10:42something I don't tell Especially if
1:10:44it's going to protect me, but I ain't
1:10:46going to make up no line, right? You
1:10:48know what I'm saying? I something I know
1:10:50I didn't do, but I ain't going to make
1:10:52up no lie. Nobody else want to do that
1:10:55to me. You know what I'm saying? I ain't
1:10:56I ain't going to do it. So, I don't
1:10:59[ __ ] I don't even know, bro. I I don't
1:11:01know. All right. And I was wrong. It was
1:11:04actually a storage area inside the
1:11:05house. It wasn't even outside. It was
1:11:06inside.
1:11:14Yeah. I was I supposed to be standing
1:11:16there with him? No, no, no. You were
1:11:18still watching TV at that point.
1:11:20I I don't I don't know. So, I mean, I
1:11:23can't tell you, sir. So, I don't know.
1:11:25You you see you know where the storage
1:11:26area is at the house or Yeah. The one
1:11:28the one that y'all went through the one
1:11:30you had me sitting there right by the
1:11:32front door. The front door to go up the
1:11:34stairs. See that's that's that's to go
1:11:36upstairs. Yep. Right. Okay. On the same
1:11:40I got to walk and come in the back or
1:11:43that's where my key fit at. You know
1:11:45what I'm saying? I can't get in the door
1:11:48like that. Think back to it because it
1:11:50was around midnight so you may have been
1:11:51tired or whatever. Midnight. Yeah. I was
1:11:54asleep. No, you're still awake. You're
1:11:56watching TV, but you may have been
1:11:57driving or something. She told me to go
1:11:59to bed. She I was in the chair.
1:12:03Did you say something to her before she
1:12:04said go to bed? Thinkful.
1:12:15Well, I mean, I ain't going to lie. I
1:12:17can't remember. You know, I You know, I
1:12:19know it's the age of what? You know what
1:12:21I'm saying? But I can't remember. I know
1:12:23I will have myself in the house watching
1:12:27TV, everything like I told you. I I know
1:12:30I know this. I know. She said, "I made
1:12:33up your bed, lay down. I was sitting in
1:12:37the chair, calm herself watching TV."
1:12:39What were you watching? Oh,
1:12:42that's good.
1:12:44Probably something she like cuz she she
1:12:47running control. She was still awake at
1:12:49that point, too. Yeah, she was awake.
1:12:51She want told me to go to sleep. Get in
1:12:53the bed. And I got in the bed and I went
1:12:57to sleep. Okay. You know what I'm
1:12:59saying? Like stuff.
1:13:03I'm tired as hell. I was I was in the
1:13:06bed. I said, "Let me go get my last
1:13:07cigarette smoke cuz I can't smoke in the
1:13:10house, right?" So I went outside with
1:13:12the cigarette.
1:13:14That's it. Let the guy know. Came back
1:13:17in and went crawler. Uhhuh. So you went
1:13:20outside. She told you to go to bed and
1:13:22that's when you went outside one last
1:13:24one. I'm talking about tonight. Oh, I'm
1:13:26sorry. Yeah, tonight when y'all saw me
1:13:30at That's what I That's what I do at
1:13:33night. Now, you know, I'm talking about
1:13:35Friday night, right? Okay. When I did, I
1:13:37don't even think I smoke. I I was so
1:13:40tired. I was, you know, I was just
1:13:43working. You know what I'm saying?
1:13:45Right. The whole thing with Rory though,
1:13:47Rory, whole thing with Ty was Friday
1:13:49night, not tonight. I may have confused
1:13:50you there. No, no, it was Friday night
1:13:53that that that she says that he was I
1:13:55think I guess cuz I I didn't see him
1:13:57naked. You know what I mean? So I I
1:13:59don't know what she told you. I don't I
1:14:00don't hear. Right. So you can't remember
1:14:03I don't see that man there being naked.
1:14:07I don't I don't if I look like if you if
1:14:10you being naked I remember that I'm
1:14:13saying but I you know I don't remember
1:14:15that.
1:14:17So, but tonight I'm talking tonight I
1:14:20was on my way watching a movie my
1:14:23routine go smoke my last cigarette and
1:14:27then when y'all showed up on came
1:14:31what the hell going on you know that's
1:14:35like okay what
1:14:37that was it you see and she was in her
1:14:40night stuff we was on our way to bed
1:14:42that's what we do you know what I'm
1:14:44saying we hang out nowhere like that.
1:14:47I'm going to tell you she don't like
1:14:49friends. So I'm not going to tell nobody
1:14:52cuz somebody did something wrong.
1:14:55I'm confir.
1:14:57But me I, you know, right now she, you
1:15:00know, I don't see why you could even
1:15:02come to my house and just crush me. But
1:15:04just, you know, now I got like, damn,
1:15:05look at my neck. They might think I'm
1:15:07the one of the which I don't care cuz
1:15:09you know what I'm saying? But what's who
1:15:11you know look at this guy you know they
1:15:14don't look at like that and we're I
1:15:16don't want to lie to you and mislead you
1:15:17in any way. Okay. So I want to be clear
1:15:19about something because I'm worried now
1:15:21that I wasn't we have a lot of things
1:15:23that put you at the treehouse. Okay. I
1:15:26want to be clear about that. I don't
1:15:28want to mislead you in any that's that's
1:15:31why you're here not at the house. Okay.
1:15:34Okay. No, I don't I don't see what you
1:15:36got to put me in at no tree house. Okay.
1:15:41You know what I'm saying? I mean, I
1:15:42would love to see what you you know what
1:15:44I'm saying? What you got on me to put me
1:15:47at a tree house?
1:15:50You know what I'm saying? When people
1:15:51tell you I'm at home at you know what
1:15:55I'm saying? Well, here's the thing. I
1:15:56mean, and I'm not trying to get on you
1:15:58or anything, of course, but we don't
1:16:00have people putting you at the house.
1:16:04You ask my neighbors, my all all them
1:16:06all all them people outside barbecuing
1:16:10and stuff like that. Well, we can I mean
1:16:12all right. I can put you there earlier
1:16:15in the evening. I can put you there
1:16:18later at night. Mhm. But during the time
1:16:20it is sitting is when I can't put you
1:16:23there. Oh wow. See I mean
1:16:27what time in
1:16:31what time? I mean, what
1:16:34what time did it to go? I mean, I don't
1:16:36know. I mean, what time you said?
1:16:41Check it out. I'm going to bring a
1:16:42chair. Absolutely.
1:16:45This is my captain.
1:16:47How you doing, Captain? Detroit? I'm
1:16:50doing good. Pretty pretty. There you go.
1:16:51Detroit. Yeah. Call me Rory. Rory. I
1:16:55call you Rory. Yeah.
1:16:59Rory, I've been listening to you. She's
1:17:02been at the house, too, so she knows a
1:17:03little bit more on it, right? Yeah. I'm
1:17:05going to tell you a little bit about me.
1:17:06All right. Okay. Been doing this job for
1:17:0835 years, right? Almost longer than
1:17:11she's been alive. Okay. Okay. Okay. And
1:17:14I'm going to tell you what I learned
1:17:16from my grandmother very, very, very
1:17:17long time ago. She was a little German
1:17:19Luther woman, 4 foot 10, right? Had a
1:17:22wicked backhand. You cursed in her
1:17:24house, you got it. Right. Whack right
1:17:26across the mouth. Right. Smartest woman
1:17:28I ever knew in my life. And here's why.
1:17:31Because Rama, when you got a chance to
1:17:33talk to her would tell you this. No
1:17:34matter how thin you roll a piece of
1:17:35paper, there's two sides to the paper.
1:17:37Exactly. You're right. And no matter how
1:17:39thin the story is, there's two sides to
1:17:41the story. One. Now, I'm going to let
1:17:43you know the side of the story that
1:17:45we've heard about you. And then I'm
1:17:47going to give you a chance to tell us
1:17:50your side of the story. Okay? Cuz
1:17:52somewhere between this side of the
1:17:53paper, Rory, and that side of the paper
1:17:55in the middle is the truth. Okay. Right.
1:17:57And we never fully get the truth, but
1:17:59somewhere between that is really as
1:18:01close as we can get. So, here's what
1:18:02here's what I've got. Okay. At 8:11 p.m.
1:18:07Mhm. In your neighborhood, there are I'm
1:18:11going to say 16 cameras. Okay. Pointed
1:18:15in all different directions. And if you
1:18:17ever get the luxury of walking around
1:18:19your neighborhood, I want you to start
1:18:21looking corners of the buildings and the
1:18:23poles. And these aren't cheap black and
1:18:25white like put them on big old tube
1:18:26television. These are high density night
1:18:30cameras. Color nice cameras. And they're
1:18:34all over your neighborhood. Yes, sir.
1:18:36And we have spent 4 days walking through
1:18:38the neighborhood. Now, here's what we
1:18:40got today. 8:11 p.m. Who do we have in
1:18:44video? The guy you call Ty. The guy that
1:18:47I know as Franklin Tucker. Okay. Okay.
1:18:49He is walking from the warehouse where
1:18:51you all live. down Second Street by
1:18:54himself going towards Laurel Avenue.
1:18:58At 8:15 we get a phone call 911
1:19:03that somebody has been stabbed and we
1:19:06think the guy is dead.
1:19:08Okay.
1:19:10At 8:19 p.m. What do we have on the same
1:19:14high density camera?
1:19:16You
1:19:17and Ty walking down Second Street coming
1:19:21from Laurel Avenue. That was
1:19:25Let me tell you what I have. Okay. Okay.
1:19:28And you're not walking like you're
1:19:29smoking a cigarette stroll. You're
1:19:31moving. Okay. And you're moving in the
1:19:34clothes. Wearing the clothes that April
1:19:37told us you were both wearing. Now she's
1:19:40really, really worried about you, Rory.
1:19:42I know she's scared to death. She's
1:19:44having her first baby and she knows
1:19:47you're not coming home.
1:19:49She knows that. Now, what she told me is
1:19:52she thinks you are a good man and you've
1:19:55been a good husband to her and a good
1:19:58and you'll be a good father to the baby.
1:20:00My only problem with you, Rory, is
1:20:01you're trying to make that baby go to
1:20:03Michigan State University. Now, as a
1:20:05person from Michigan, come on, Rory.
1:20:08There's only one college in Michigan.
1:20:10It's U of M. Yeah. And then I But like I
1:20:14said, now Rory, here's what's happening.
1:20:18This is what I have. Okay. Yeah. I think
1:20:21what happened Friday is there was some
1:20:24kind of scheme, a plan thought through.
1:20:27Here's what I know. You guys have been
1:20:29struggling with money. Mhm. You've been
1:20:32working your ass off, picking up
1:20:33landscaping jobs, doing whatever you can
1:20:36with with She thinks you're going to
1:20:38work with Tai
1:20:41P. That's what I've been doing. I ain't
1:20:43been doing no landscaping. She thinks
1:20:45that some of the jobs that you've been
1:20:46picking up have been to with Ty. Do you
1:20:48think she hopes that when you leave with
1:20:51Ty that you're going to work? Because
1:20:53you know she doesn't like Ty. I tell him
1:20:56at all. She She hates him. She hates
1:20:58him. I know. And she said that she's
1:21:00been trying to convince you that he is a
1:21:02bad guy for you. And that your words to
1:21:04her, and I quote, "He's never crossed
1:21:06me." And as long as he's never crossed
1:21:09me and he's done right by me, I'm going
1:21:11to do right by him. That's I would tell
1:21:13him. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I
1:21:15put his shirt on my back. You know, it
1:21:17didn't cross me. But like I said, this
1:21:20incident, I had no claim. Yep. And Roy,
1:21:24you know what I know happened? This what
1:21:25I know happened. Mhm. Ty, for the first
1:21:28time in your friendship, crossed you
1:21:32because he lost his temper. He did
1:21:34something that wasn't part of the plan
1:21:36and a really bad mistake happened and
1:21:39somebody died and it's part of a really
1:21:41bad mistake. Cuz here's what I know.
1:21:43You're hurting for money. There's no
1:21:45power in that place. You're borrowing
1:21:47power from a neighbor. Right. Right.
1:21:48Right. And food is hard. And that baby
1:21:50is due any day. I mean, I get I mean,
1:21:53that might be their story up there. you
1:21:55know, the fool, you know, I got to, you
1:21:57know, she April says you absolutely take
1:22:01care of her and that baby and that your
1:22:03number one concern every day when you
1:22:04come home is how are you? How's the
1:22:06baby? She knows in her heart and soul
1:22:09you are a good man and that you would
1:22:12never do anything wrong by her or wrong
1:22:14by that baby. Never. Never. And I don't
1:22:17think you would either because I' I've
1:22:19talked to both of you tonight. I talked
1:22:20to you and I talked to Ty and what I see
1:22:23is you as a decent man, a decent father
1:22:28getting caught up in something that was
1:22:29a bad mistake. What I see, Ty, is a guy
1:22:33that April has known all along was going
1:22:36to cross you. And he did. And he is
1:22:39making you to be the guy that planned
1:22:41this, thought this out, and did the bad
1:22:43thing.
1:22:45So Rory, hear me out because he's jammed
1:22:48up and he doesn't want to be jammed up.
1:22:50And April called it a long time ago.
1:22:53April told you, Rory, don't trust him.
1:22:56Don't trust him. Don't trust him. I
1:22:58don't like him. She said, "I hate him."
1:23:01Right? You know, she hates him. She's
1:23:04got really good womanly instinct.
1:23:07So, here's what I think happened. You
1:23:09all know that there's a little bit of
1:23:10money in a place where there's going to
1:23:12be a little bit of money for a little
1:23:13bit of time. And so this is what
1:23:15happens. We see Ty on the video at 811.
1:23:18I don't know where you come into the
1:23:19picture because you're not walking down
1:23:21Second Street. April knows Ty and Travis
1:23:24left between four and five in Travis's
1:23:26truck. She knows you were home all day.
1:23:29Not at work. You didn't go to work on
1:23:30Friday. You were home all day, Rory. All
1:23:34day. She knows you were.
1:23:36Between 7 and 8:00, closer to 8, you
1:23:39left the house. You were wearing a black
1:23:41shirt and black shorts. She thinks flip
1:23:43flops, but she's not sure on the shoes.
1:23:46You left the house. You came home around
1:23:489:00. And she said you didn't behave any
1:23:51differently, but she thought something
1:23:52was off. Didn't know what you didn't say
1:23:56anything to her. And you know why you
1:23:57didn't say anything to her, Rory? Cuz
1:23:59you're a decent man who's taken care of
1:24:01the mother of your child. You're a
1:24:04decent guy. Cuz if you said something to
1:24:05her, she would know and it would hurt
1:24:08her. It would crush her. It would kill
1:24:10her uncle that you got all wrapped up in
1:24:13something that was a bad something,
1:24:15right? So, you didn't say anything,
1:24:17Rory. But she knew something was a
1:24:19little off. Now, here's what happens.
1:24:22It's midnight. She hears a noise up in
1:24:25the storage room, and she said she's
1:24:26scared because she thinks somebody's
1:24:28trying to break up in the house. And she
1:24:30said there's always people trying to get
1:24:32up in there. So, she goes to see what
1:24:34the noise is. Mhm. And she knows the
1:24:38door sticks, so she pushed it really
1:24:41hard, right? And there's no way you can
1:24:43be quiet when you open the door. So she
1:24:46pushes it real hard. And there stands
1:24:48Todd naked from the waist down cuz his
1:24:52pants are already off. And he's not even
1:24:54wearing any boxers. And his pants are on
1:24:56the floor. And he's in the process of
1:24:58pulling his black shirt over his head.
1:25:02and he takes it off and he puts it in a
1:25:04plastic bag like you get at the gas
1:25:06station and she thinks it's really weird
1:25:09that he's doing that and can't figure
1:25:12out what he's doing, but he doesn't say
1:25:14anything to her and she walks out of the
1:25:17storage room and shuts the door. What
1:25:19you say to her is, "Why are you up in
1:25:21his business? Why you being so nosy?
1:25:24Why'd you have to go look?" And she said
1:25:27to you, "I thought somebody was breaking
1:25:29in." You were on the phone talking to
1:25:32somebody at midnight. Rory, she didn't
1:25:34know who. She didn't know what, but she
1:25:37said the minute she told you, not about
1:25:40what she saw, but that she thought
1:25:43somebody was breaking in and that's the
1:25:44only reason she went up and checked, you
1:25:46let it go. You let it go. And and she
1:25:50said, "Ty has never spoken to her about
1:25:52that." And you've never spoken. But she
1:25:54said, "The last four days, you've been
1:25:55upstairs more than you've ever been
1:25:57upstairs. You've been outside on the
1:25:59porch more than you've ever been outside
1:26:00on the porch. I can't smoke cigarettes
1:26:02around. Yep. And she said it's more than
1:26:05just smoking the cigarettes. And you've
1:26:06been on the phone a lot now. She's
1:26:09worried. She's scared. And this is what
1:26:11I know, Rory, from talking with her. You
1:26:14are a good, decent man. You are trying
1:26:17to do right by her and by your baby.
1:26:20Well, I do. You know what I'm saying?
1:26:22Yep. That's what And here's what I think
1:26:23happened. You're trying to do right.
1:26:26You're going to get a little bit more
1:26:27money.
1:26:28you're going to go get $1,000 because
1:26:30somebody's got $1,000 and you know
1:26:32somebody's got $1,000. That's that's the
1:26:35other part of this that I know, Rory,
1:26:36because not only have we been watching
1:26:38video cameras, we've been talking to
1:26:40lots of people and there and Paula is
1:26:43holding $1,000 that Anthea gave her. And
1:26:47Anatheia is all pissed off because Paula
1:26:50took that money and kicked her ass out
1:26:52and Anatha wants the money back and
1:26:54Anatha tells people Paul is holding a
1:26:56thousand. So, I think Tai comes up with
1:26:59this cockami plan that listen, we're
1:27:02going to go up in there. We're going to
1:27:03get that money. We're going to make it
1:27:05quick. We're going to make it fast.
1:27:06They're not going to know it's us. We're
1:27:07both going to put on mask. We're going
1:27:08to wear black clothes. We're going to go
1:27:10up there and we're going to take that
1:27:11money. And then things go to [ __ ] Rory
1:27:13up there. If he did, if he made them
1:27:16plans, it wasn't with me. C. I'm telling
1:27:18you, it wasn't with me. If you made if
1:27:20you made them plans, it wasn't with me.
1:27:23That's not my mo. You know what I'm
1:27:25saying? I get food stamps. You know what
1:27:28I'm saying? We got enough food. You know
1:27:30what I'm saying? I'm about to go back to
1:27:32work. But if he if if that's true what
1:27:34you saying and he made them plans, he
1:27:37ain't make it with me. Cuz I would have
1:27:39told him no. R cuz I got a baby coming.
1:27:42I ain't about to do nothing to
1:27:43jeopardize my baby. I a take care of
1:27:46mine. Where she need I'mma get it. Y you
1:27:48know what I'm saying? I if I got to put
1:27:50roofs or or cut trees up in in in big
1:27:54pine, I'mma do it. But all that other
1:27:56stuff, I'm not going to do it cuz I
1:27:58enjoy my freedom. I got in trouble 2008.
1:28:02Okay. I had to do 30 months for for
1:28:05something stupid. I was wrote a check.
1:28:08Ain't nobody get hurt. Nothing. I did
1:28:11two and a half years. That was it. I
1:28:13ain't been in trouble since then. Check
1:28:15my record. If he had a plan, it wasn't
1:28:17with me on cap. Seriously, Rory, I'm
1:28:20going to tell you something else. I
1:28:21know. What? I know you might not have
1:28:24followed through with it, but I know you
1:28:25just recently made a threat when you
1:28:28when you learned that you were going to
1:28:30get evicted
1:28:31and there was a conversation about you
1:28:34need to get up and out of here and you
1:28:36get the paper. You get served with the
1:28:37notice, right? You talked to a guy named
1:28:40Robert and you told him, "I don't have a
1:28:43problem with you, but I got a problem
1:28:44with him." And you pointed to Daniel and
1:28:46what did you tell Daniel you were going
1:28:48to do to him? I think I see I see split.
1:28:50I see come in my house. It's gonna be a
1:28:53problem. Said, "Well, I once again being
1:28:55the smart man I am, I took it. I got at
1:28:58my house this thick full of court." He
1:29:02Oh, he he the one trying to evict me.
1:29:06Unlawful. I got a letter from Supreme
1:29:08Court. All this all this paperwork he
1:29:11got. So the the [ __ ] he tried to give
1:29:13me was unlawful. What' you tell him you
1:29:15were going to do to him though if he
1:29:16tried to put you out?
1:29:18What did I tell him? I'm gonna beat you
1:29:21with a baseball bat.
1:29:24No,
1:29:25I want a baseball bat. Well, I'm not
1:29:27saying you do, Rory. What I'm telling
1:29:29you is I know that you might not have
1:29:30made any mistakes since 2008, but I
1:29:33think you made a big one Friday night. I
1:29:35really do. And I and I think what you're
1:29:37you're recognizing is
1:29:40I got jammed up, but I don't want to be
1:29:43jammed up because I got a baby on the
1:29:44way. And I get that. I honestly get
1:29:47that.
1:29:48Cap. If he made some plans like that, it
1:29:50wasn't with me.
1:29:52It wasn't with me. Cap Rory, how do you
1:29:55explain four minutes after a 911 call?
1:29:58Mhm. Where the person is said the guy
1:30:01has been stabbed, he's face down, he's
1:30:04in a pool of blood, he's unresponsive.
1:30:07Well, how do you explain you and Tai
1:30:10walking away from that area down Second
1:30:12Street dressed in the exact clothing
1:30:14that April told us you were both wearing
1:30:16that day together down Second Street? 4
1:30:20minutes after the guy got murdered. How,
1:30:22Rory? Explain it. Let me tell you
1:30:24something, Cuz I was That wasn't I
1:30:27wasn't with I was with Travis. Travis.
1:30:30He had a black truck. Dodge Ram. I was
1:30:33never I wasn't with Tyrone. You know
1:30:35what I'm saying?
1:30:36Look at them camera. Them pictures good.
1:30:38I was not with him. I was with Travis.
1:30:42We was coming from Tom Thur. That where
1:30:45he's coming from. No. Walking the other
1:30:47way, honey. This way to my house. That's
1:30:49what he's talking about. Right. From Tom
1:30:51Thumb. The other way. Rory. From Laurel
1:30:53to your house. 811. I've got Tai on
1:30:57video. Okay. Coming from the house.
1:30:59Coming from going towards Tom Th. No.
1:31:02Going towards Laurel Avenue. What is
1:31:04What is Noah? Where the guy got hurt the
1:31:06tree house. Okay. 8:11. Ty is leaving
1:31:10the house, walking down Second Street
1:31:12going toward the treehouse. At 8:19, 4
1:31:15minutes after the hey, the guy's dead
1:31:18phone call to 911. What do I have on
1:31:21video? You and Ty walking down Second
1:31:24Street from the treehouse to your house.
1:31:27Now, if you weren't with Ty, how are you
1:31:30on this video? I was with Travis. I was
1:31:33I was never walk with T. That's what I'm
1:31:35trying to tell you. I was with Travis. I
1:31:37was never with T. Show me that. I'm tell
1:31:39that was not me. I was with Travis with
1:31:42the black truck coming from town. I was
1:31:44I wasn't with Tone. I promise you I
1:31:47wasn't. Okay. I wasn't I was not coming.
1:31:51No. Hell no. No. No. That was No. I was
1:31:54with Travis and he tell you that if I
1:31:57call right, he'll tell you why I was
1:31:59with him. Ask one question. about that.
1:32:01When she brought up, this is bothered
1:32:03me. When she brought up about the fact
1:32:05that you didn't actually work on Friday,
1:32:07you acknowledged her as being right
1:32:09because I'm I don't I work I work. It
1:32:13had to be Friday. It was Friday, Friday,
1:32:15Saturday. You immediately acknowledged
1:32:18her. I'm listening to what I do. You
1:32:21acknowledged because I've been watching
1:32:23I've got your body language down. Right.
1:32:25Right. Right. Okay. When you agree, like
1:32:27you just did with me there, right? When
1:32:29you agree that, okay, I'm right on
1:32:31something, you shake your head. Yes. But
1:32:33I'll be saying, right, right, I got No,
1:32:35no. When you don't agree with something,
1:32:38you don't like something, right? You
1:32:40don't say anything. When she said April,
1:32:43you didn't actually work for you. Like,
1:32:44yeah, right. You can call up a boss
1:32:46bear, Randy. Randy McGrath. Randy McGra,
1:32:50that's the guy I worked for in Big Pine.
1:32:52But I know for for a fact that I was not
1:32:54walking with um with um with with T. I
1:32:58was not I was coming from the store with
1:33:00um Travis. And you can call his number
1:33:03in my phone. You can call him right now.
1:33:05Ask him where he's coming from. Tom th
1:33:08that night who who was with that in that
1:33:11camera with Tong. It wasn't me. It
1:33:14wasn't. It wasn't you. Why would
1:33:17somebody tell us you were at the
1:33:19treehouse? Why would somebody tell us
1:33:22it's you involved in this? Who who who
1:33:25would try to take you if you're the good
1:33:27guy that you say you are and you have
1:33:29not been involved in anything since
1:33:312008. Who would try to jam you up with
1:33:34this?
1:33:35Yeah, I ain't going to lie. Ain't no
1:33:37telling. There's a lot of people.
1:33:39Somebody give me a name. Rory, help me
1:33:42help you. I am not going to go eeny
1:33:44meeny miny Rory. I'm can of murder on
1:33:47Rory. Yeah, that's that's not even my
1:33:49emote. No, no. Taking a life. That's not
1:33:52me, Cap. It's not me. I wouldn't do
1:33:54nothing like that. I don't think you
1:33:55intended to save Rory. I didn't do it. I
1:33:58know. And you know what? I am absolutely
1:34:00convinced that night. You didn't kill
1:34:02him. I didn't kill nobody. No, I know
1:34:04you did, Rory. I ain't going to say I
1:34:06did. You know, you know, you know what
1:34:08happened? Ty did. Ty did. I know, Rory.
1:34:12Ty did it. You know Ty did it. You
1:34:15didn't kill anybody. I know you didn't
1:34:17kill anybody because it's not you. It's
1:34:19not who you are. It's not what you're
1:34:20about. It's not who you want to be. You
1:34:24got wrapped up in that. However, he got
1:34:26you into that. And it went bad. It went
1:34:29sideways in a hurry. And before you know
1:34:31it, Tai stabbing a guy. Not only
1:34:34stabbing a guy, Rory, but in the back
1:34:37like a coward in the back and then
1:34:41running. I don't. So, you didn't do it.
1:34:45I know you didn't do it, but I know Ty
1:34:48did. And I also know this, Rory. You
1:34:50were there. And there's that two sides
1:34:53of the piece of paper. And you get this
1:34:55one chance to tell us your side of the
1:34:57story, Rory. One chance. We We're all
1:35:00you've got right now. You didn't kill
1:35:03anybody. I absolutely believe you
1:35:05because you didn't. But you were there
1:35:07when somebody died and it was an
1:35:09accident. It was That's when you got
1:35:12with Todd. I'm I'm telling you I can't
1:35:15tell you we make up nothing. I can't
1:35:17Rory. Who's making it up? Give me a
1:35:19name. If you are absolutely insistent,
1:35:21you are not there. Who would try to jam
1:35:24you up like this? Nobody went eeny meeny
1:35:27miny Rory.
1:35:29No. What happened is, hey, easy money.
1:35:32Let's go do this. There was never any
1:35:36plan, no whatsoever about hurting
1:35:39anybody. Nobody was going to hurt
1:35:41anybody. In fact, I know I know that you
1:35:45never intended to even cut anybody.
1:35:48I know you didn't. I absolutely know you
1:35:51didn't. Your job was to be big and be
1:35:55scary and make somebody give you a
1:35:57purse, make somebody give you money.
1:36:00And then Ty lost his mind
1:36:04and bad things happened. You know why
1:36:06bad things happen? Because nobody
1:36:08expected Matt to come upstairs and help.
1:36:11And Matt, all he did was come upstairs,
1:36:14Rory, to try to help. That's all he did.
1:36:17He had no reason to die. Ty had no
1:36:19reason to kill him. Ty was afraid now.
1:36:23[ __ ] we're getting caught. This is bad.
1:36:25We got to get out of here. And all of a
1:36:28sudden, based on that, Matt's dead. But
1:36:31did anybody mean to kill him? No. It's
1:36:34not like you all sat there with with
1:36:35masks and knives and said, "You know
1:36:37what? Let's go kill him. He's got to die
1:36:39tonight. We are going to slice his
1:36:40throat. We're going to cut him up into
1:36:42pieces." None of that was planned. Rory,
1:36:44there's a big difference between
1:36:46planning a murder and planning to hurt
1:36:49somebody and going there. I understand
1:36:51what you're saying, Cap. But like I
1:36:52said, if you said you saying T did,
1:36:57that's something you got. You know what
1:36:58I'm saying? Cuz ain't no way he can tell
1:37:01you I was there. If he there, he lying.
1:37:04You know what I'm saying? I don't know
1:37:06if he did it. That's between him and
1:37:08God. But I know what I didn't do. I
1:37:10know. I know what I didn't do. You're
1:37:11gonna close your eyes tonight with a
1:37:13clean conscience, knowing I ain't hurt
1:37:15no. I ain't never hurt nobody. Yep. And
1:37:16you're going to close your eyes tonight
1:37:17with a clean conscience, knowing you
1:37:19didn't kill somebody, but you're not
1:37:21going to sleep well tonight. You know
1:37:22why I know you're not going to sleep
1:37:23well? Cuz you got a young lady sitting
1:37:27in a in a place that's completely dark,
1:37:30scared to death. that you're not coming
1:37:32home and there's going to be nobody
1:37:34there to hold her hand when her first
1:37:37baby is born.
1:37:39And she's Rory, she's thinking you're
1:37:41going to do right by her tonight. She's
1:37:43home praying that you're going to do
1:37:45right by her and that you're going to
1:37:47make this right and you're going to just
1:37:49tell us what happened. I can't tell what
1:37:52I don't know what happened though. Catch
1:37:54what I'm saying. You I can't I I got
1:37:57telling you know
1:37:59I can't just make up nothing. You know
1:38:01that I don't know. You know what I'm
1:38:02saying? I don't know. But you know what?
1:38:04You didn't know? Nothing. I ain't I
1:38:08didn't
1:38:10I didn't that I that hated my mo. I
1:38:13didn't do nothing. You know what I'm
1:38:14saying? Like I told she hate my friend.
1:38:17So what she she saw that's on her. I
1:38:20can't you know. No. She's She's not
1:38:22doing this to get back at Ty. And you
1:38:24know that, Rory. April's not talking to
1:38:26us to get back at Tai. April's trying to
1:38:28make it right for you. She know I ain't
1:38:31do nothing. If Listen, what about
1:38:35if I would if I was to do something,
1:38:37I'mma tell anything I ever did, I'mma
1:38:40tell a about something. You know what
1:38:43I'm saying? And that's the honest kind
1:38:44of truth. So, I couldn't tell her. I
1:38:48ain't know about this like I told him
1:38:50until my neighbor and then the news
1:38:53things on my phone. That's how I found
1:38:55out about it. You know what I'm saying?
1:38:56Then I see all the police present in the
1:38:58neighborhood. You know what I'm saying?
1:39:00I said I was like, "Look, I don't know
1:39:02what's going on, but I'm I'mma stay at
1:39:04the house with you. Make sure you all
1:39:06right cuz I don't know what's going on."
1:39:07You know what I'm saying? Now, my exact
1:39:09words to her, she said, "Okay, I
1:39:10appreciate that." Like I said before,
1:39:13she don't need know some tree house, all
1:39:16that. No, I cannot pull over. That
1:39:19wasn't me. It wasn't me. That's why like
1:39:22take my DNA. It wasn't me. You know what
1:39:25I'm saying? We're going to be doing a
1:39:26lot of that. We're going to take ties
1:39:29and yours and subpoenas on phone records
1:39:32so we'll know who was talking to who and
1:39:33when. Yeah. You can do all that. Videos
1:39:35will be enhanced so we can show you who
1:39:37you were with when. And the videos are
1:39:40just starting to come in. Rory said
1:39:42tonight to tell detective picture. I
1:39:45wasn't I wasn't walking with I I know
1:39:48that I can't I got much you I see you
1:39:51trying to help me. I cannot say that I
1:39:53was walking with T that night cuz I was
1:39:54walking with Travis that night. I know
1:39:56that boy. I was never with Tai coming up
1:39:59from the um whatever the street you
1:40:01talking about. You know what I'm saying?
1:40:02I don't know the name of you know what
1:40:04I'm saying? All I know TH in the street
1:40:06I stay on. I was not walking with
1:40:08Tyrone. You know what I mean? with what
1:40:10T got going on. Definit
1:40:14C. He ain't never crossed me. Didn't me
1:40:18no wrong. He tried to have stay at the
1:40:20hurricane with me. You know what I'm
1:40:21saying? We didn't went to the Hall fish
1:40:23drunk together. But far since him
1:40:26knowing him as a person. I you know I
1:40:29just I don't you know what I mean? I
1:40:31don't know what he capable of. I bet I
1:40:33know one thing with Rory Hank Wilson
1:40:35capable of and that's doing good. I'm
1:40:37not about to hurt nobody, bro. You know
1:40:39what I'm saying? I don't care for how
1:40:42much. You know what I'm saying? Cuz I
1:40:43got mine myself. I work like I be doing
1:40:46with these hand while these calluses on
1:40:48my hands. You know what I'm saying? I
1:40:50ain't going to take nothing from nobody,
1:40:51bro. You know what I'm saying? Let them
1:40:54don't hurt nobody for self. No, I can
1:40:56get up there myself. You know what I
1:40:58mean? That's why I really selling drugs.
1:41:01That ain't never been my cup of tea
1:41:03either. I about to get out there
1:41:04working, man. made me feel better as a
1:41:06man. You know you one thing you did take
1:41:09care I love my my my
1:41:12April and my son. That's all I be
1:41:14talking about. You know what I mean? And
1:41:16I ain't about to do nothing to
1:41:18jeopardize. So like I said what come in
1:41:20what's in the D going come in the light
1:41:21cuz God know that I didn't have nothing
1:41:24to do with this person and this going to
1:41:25come off. Seriously I know that for a
1:41:28fact. I'm a man. It hurt me that when
1:41:31she just told me that she did without no
1:41:32lights on, you know. That's why I'm just
1:41:35really just going crazy. Not really
1:41:36crazy, but just that's bothering me what
1:41:39you just told me. You know, cuz you know
1:41:41I I just thought I get question. I you
1:41:44know, come for what? I mean, I ain't did
1:41:48nothing, bro. At the house. You told me
1:41:50you was watching me. That's what I do. I
1:41:52be at the house with my with my girl,
1:41:54bro, and my baby. I ain't telling you we
1:41:57hurt nobody, man. or take it for
1:41:59nothing, nothing for nobody.
1:42:02Rory, today I want you to remember
1:42:04today's date. It's November 22nd. Okay.
1:42:06Today, today is the day that Rory did
1:42:10something that April thought he would
1:42:12never do, and that's not be there for
1:42:15her. Yeah. Today is the day that Ty did
1:42:20what April knew Ty was always going to
1:42:22do, and he crossed you and she warned
1:42:25you. She begged you to stay away from
1:42:28him, right? And you wouldn't listen.
1:42:31Today is the day that two things that
1:42:33never should have happened to you
1:42:34happened to you today.
1:42:37Ty crossed you and you're not there for
1:42:39April. How could he cross me? Well, I
1:42:41mean, how did he cross me? I mean, why
1:42:43he cross me? Why do you think he's in
1:42:46your house taking off bloody clothes,
1:42:48putting them in a bag, Rory?
1:42:51Why? He did that out in your house.
1:42:54April
1:42:56with the storage. Yeah, that's that's
1:42:58separate upstairs. My house is you.
1:43:02See, I don't even know. Your girl saw
1:43:04her. But she ain't never tell me though.
1:43:06I know she was afraid, Rory. She was
1:43:08afraid. If she would have told me, I
1:43:09would have said something about it. See,
1:43:11I don't know. I'm in the dark a lot of
1:43:13stuff. C. She ain't never tell me that
1:43:16cuz I would I would like, "What the hell
1:43:18are you doing?" I would have questioned
1:43:20that. I'm going to question it because
1:43:22she's told you over and over and over
1:43:24again, don't trust him. But see, stuff
1:43:26like that. Yeah, but stuff like that.
1:43:28She was afraid you wouldn't listen
1:43:29again, Rory. No, that's been eating her
1:43:32since Friday. She should have told me.
1:43:34She should have told me, man. I don't
1:43:35even [ __ ] down here. I would have
1:43:37called her police myself.
1:43:39I would have called her myself. Think
1:43:41about what you told her that night, why
1:43:43would she tell you?
1:43:45What did you tell her that night? What
1:43:46did I tell her? What did she say? What
1:43:48you said? You told me she said I said
1:43:50matter on B, but I tell her that all the
1:43:51time. I was I was off a little bit and
1:43:53the captain corrected me on that. What
1:43:55did What did you tell her? I don't
1:43:57remember. I Why you being so nosy? Why
1:44:00you up in his business?
1:44:03Why you up there? What are you looking
1:44:05at? So she immediately felt like you
1:44:08were attacking her and thought not going
1:44:10to say anything. But I didn't I didn't
1:44:12mean to cuz
1:44:14you right. Every day she tell me, "Don't
1:44:17don't hang out. Don't you worry about
1:44:19that." But I I got so used to it, man.
1:44:22Just don't worry. Don't worry about it.
1:44:24Don't worry about it. But I swear to
1:44:26God, if she would have told me that that
1:44:28night and told me what he did, I would
1:44:30have called the police, especially while
1:44:32in my place. You know what I'm saying? I
1:44:34would have I my unborn child. I would
1:44:37have I didn't know. See, that's why I
1:44:40said I don't know. So I can't I can't
1:44:42say now if I was saw and this that I
1:44:45would say you know what I'm saying
1:44:47that's the honest God of truth but you
1:44:49know what I'm saying I got a baby on the
1:44:51way in and three week I'm not about to
1:44:54do none of this jeopardize I for my bro
1:44:57I go get on I got to I work a double I
1:45:01start backing this Friday bro for my kid
1:45:07didn't matter something me get off the
1:45:08bus cuz he's on the same bus coming from
1:45:10big ass. You know what I'm saying? When
1:45:11I told y'all that's when I walked home
1:45:13when it let me up at CVS. You know what
1:45:16I'm saying? I'm not lying, bro. I'm in
1:45:18the dark just like y'all is. I'm trying
1:45:19to figure out put this [ __ ] together,
1:45:21too. Because like I said, she ain't
1:45:22never tell me that she saw T in that
1:45:25storage room taking on those clothes cuz
1:45:28I would I should ask about that. She
1:45:30like, "What's up? What's going on?" You
1:45:33know what I'm saying? I I ain't about to
1:45:34do nothing to jump, bro. Sick. That's
1:45:37the honest God truth for real, bro. You
1:45:40know what I'm saying? I ain't know
1:45:41nothing about that. The Catholic came
1:45:42and told me. You ain't even tell me
1:45:44that. You know what I'm saying? I'm
1:45:46trying to tell you the truth. I want you
1:45:47to tell me the truth, too. I know part
1:45:49of that, did I? You know, I'm just split
1:45:51my ain't trying to tell you the truth so
1:45:52I can get this matter over with. You
1:45:54know what I'm saying? But I know one
1:45:56thing. Roy Hank Wilson ain't hurt nobody
1:46:00or ain't trying to run nobody cuz my
1:46:02wife is over there at that house right
1:46:03now where she told me sitting in the
1:46:05dark right now woring about me and she
1:46:08know I'mma do [ __ ] like this man she
1:46:10know I don't do nothing like this she my
1:46:12mo I go out there and work like I work
1:46:14two jobs bro seriously man that's the
1:46:17honest God of truth what he doing I
1:46:20don't know what he doing you know what
1:46:22I'm saying but I know what I'm doing
1:46:25that's honest guy truth Bro, seriously,
1:46:30that's this all I know. I'm telling what
1:46:32I know. Otherwise, I'm so crop up at the
1:46:34house.
1:46:36I I hate to do this, but I got to repeat
1:46:39the exact same thing. Captain said it
1:46:41better than I could have ever said it.
1:46:43And I'll be honest, it even hurts me is
1:46:46that this is going to be a day that you
1:46:49never forget because she was right. All
1:46:52right. Tie frost you completely.
1:46:56And you did the one thing that you
1:46:58probably never thought you would do
1:47:01and that's betray her. I ain't never
1:47:04betrayed her, bro. I don't know how this
1:47:05man can cross me and he what he what can
1:47:08he say? I can't wait to see that video
1:47:11come up and she said that was I knew I
1:47:14was walking with Travis. Bro, you call
1:47:15him right now on the phone and ask me
1:47:18him walk up to the time thing. He going
1:47:20to tell you, yeah, I'm telling you I was
1:47:22never walking with Tyrone. So when he
1:47:24down there telling y'all, you know what
1:47:28I'm saying? He telling on his stuff cuz
1:47:30he can't he ain't got nothing telling me
1:47:32I ain't did nothing. And Rory, I go
1:47:34back, give me the name of the person who
1:47:37would try to jam you up with this. Who
1:47:41hates Rory Hank Wilson so badly that he
1:47:45would say that he did something that you
1:47:49wouldn't do? There's a few of them. You
1:47:51got Will, you got Crystal.
1:47:54I'm talking about all the people was
1:47:56upstairs. So, I told him to get out cuz
1:47:57this ain't no hang out. This it just it
1:48:00goes back to that. Um, you got dude
1:48:04named John with the wigs. You know what
1:48:06I'm saying? With wix hair. Um, his
1:48:10friend, you know, it's just a lot of put
1:48:12out. You know what I'm saying? Y'all got
1:48:13to go, bro. First off, y'all ain't
1:48:16paying no rent. You know what I'm
1:48:18saying? Y'all been eating off. He likes
1:48:20Freo. You know what I mean? So that's
1:48:23why I talking a lot. A lot of people
1:48:24don't like they don't they don't know.
1:48:26They don't but they don't like me. You
1:48:28know what I'm saying? That's why I don't
1:48:29go by that name as no Detroit cuz that
1:48:31ain't my name. You know what I'm saying?
1:48:33That's probably what them people know me
1:48:34as. You know from them people are
1:48:36talking. But I ain't never tell nobody
1:48:38my name Detroit. I'm from Detroit. So
1:48:40that's where them names like that come
1:48:42from. But my name is Roy. A lot of
1:48:44people call me Roy or Nino. I don't go
1:48:46back on the on the name Detroit, but I
1:48:49It's a lot of them people out there,
1:48:51man. Even from cops, even from the dudes
1:48:53to the girls, from cops, people upstairs
1:48:57in that place where they free leveling
1:48:59at. It's a lot of I mean, you know, I
1:49:02don't know the names like that. You know
1:49:04what I'm saying? I don't. But one thing
1:49:07I do know, I know I ain't hurt nobody,
1:49:10bro. And I know I you know, I know I
1:49:12didn't do that, man. and my girl a do no
1:49:15[ __ ] like that. Obviously the dumbest
1:49:17person in the world. You about to have a
1:49:19baby to do some [ __ ] like that and
1:49:21income tax come right around wrong. You
1:49:23know what I mean? I ain't I was he hurt
1:49:25for no money like that. Why I got to go
1:49:27do something stupid. Bro, captain said
1:49:30it and I had said it. Yeah, we don't
1:49:32believe you did the murder. I Yeah, I
1:49:34didn't I didn't I didn't difference
1:49:36between doing the murder via the
1:49:38treehouse. Yeah. But see, I'm turning,
1:49:41bro. I had nothing to do with that. What
1:49:43he did not put two two together. She
1:49:46told me he changing clothes. Maybe he
1:49:48had something to do with it. But I can't
1:49:49just say I saw it. But because I didn't,
1:49:53I know nothing about it. But if I would
1:49:55have saw it, I would have said so.
1:49:58Protect my protect me and mine. Hell
1:50:00yeah, I would have said so. You can call
1:50:02snitch if you want to. But I would have
1:50:04told
1:50:05me and mine. But I didn't know. I didn't
1:50:08even know that. She just told me. You I
1:50:10ain't know that. I ain't know April saw
1:50:12that. She didn't tell me. But I can get
1:50:15you. She would have told me. I would
1:50:17have questioned that [ __ ] Trust me.
1:50:19Excuse my language. And I would have
1:50:21called 911.
1:50:23Seriously, bro. I don't play that like
1:50:25that. It ain't that serious. Wor, I'm
1:50:27going to leave the room. I'm going to
1:50:28leave you the thought. The next time you
1:50:29talk to April, the next time you have a
1:50:31conversation, Yeah. like the mother of
1:50:33your son, right? I want you to think
1:50:36long and hard what you're going to have
1:50:38to say in the way of making this right
1:50:41and apologizing to her.
1:50:44But I mean, I even do know why I even do
1:50:46nothing, though. Okay. I'm going to let
1:50:49you know that this is a situation where
1:50:52you could do right by her and do right
1:50:54by your son and do right by you. And we
1:50:57know you didn't hurt anybody. You didn't
1:51:01intend to hurt anybody. And you sure as
1:51:03heck never meant to kill anybody. And
1:51:06you didn't kill anybody. I know that. We
1:51:09all know that. April said in her heart
1:51:11and soul, she knows you're not capable
1:51:14of killing a person. She knows like
1:51:16that. Well, I don't do none of that. I
1:51:18don't believe for one minute fish, not
1:51:20catch them. You release the You don't
1:51:22release the fish. That ain't in me like
1:51:25that. I don't believe for one minute you
1:51:26killed anybody. Don't worry. I do think
1:51:29you were there. That's my phone right
1:51:31there.
1:51:34my phone.
1:51:37Rory, why are you on the phone at
1:51:39midnight?
1:51:41Probably talking to some people. I don't
1:51:43even know if I was on the phone that
1:51:44night. I mean, I be getting my days
1:51:46mixed up, but I don't know. My my age
1:51:48was a like I'm trying I'm not
1:51:52fell into bed tonight. A lot of a lot of
1:51:55my people,
1:51:57you know what I'm saying? Dallas, you
1:51:59know what I'm saying?
1:52:00I know I know a lot of people, bro. I
1:52:02got a lot of friends. You know what I'm
1:52:04saying? So, not probably people in Key
1:52:06West, but you know, other places. You
1:52:09know what I'm saying? You know, but um
1:52:13like I say, bro, get that phone, check
1:52:16that phone, call Travis right now, ask
1:52:19him what did me and Roy do that did we
1:52:21walk up to our own time? He going to
1:52:23tell you, yeah, whoever was in that
1:52:25picture with with Tyrone wasn't me.
1:52:29I know that on my unborn child, it
1:52:31wasn't me. You know what I mean? It
1:52:34wasn't.
1:52:36I can promise you we will talk to
1:52:37Charles. Absolutely. I can promise that.
1:52:39As long as we can find him. Yeah. That
1:52:42probably was him calling my phone. I
1:52:44know April didn't tell him what
1:52:45happened. He probably worried sick about
1:52:47me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cuz
1:52:49he know I ain't like that. Just like
1:52:51April know. He probably worried. He
1:52:53probably worried about me. You know what
1:52:56I mean? I'm sitting in a room with
1:52:57handcuffs. So man, come on, bro. I You
1:53:00know what I'm saying? He could have just
1:53:02called me and told me I would
1:53:04voluntarily
1:53:06listen. And then let me say this to you
1:53:08guys. If somebody did a crime so hinous
1:53:11as this, you would stick around. Not you
1:53:15know what I'm saying? Come on. That
1:53:16makes sense. I ain't going nowhere. I
1:53:18got a really plausible explanation for
1:53:20why you stuck around. Your girl is due
1:53:23to drop a baby any day. she's praying is
1:53:25going to be the day before or after her
1:53:28birthday. Birthday Monday. Yep. Because
1:53:30she says she doesn't want to have the
1:53:32baby or her get screwed out of birthday
1:53:34gifts. And when you have the same
1:53:36birthday, somebody ends up taking a
1:53:38licking plans. We have plans. She said
1:53:41she knows it's going to be hers. So,
1:53:42she's hoping she has the baby before.
1:53:44Yeah. Or after her. So, that's a real
1:53:47good explanation. The other thing is you
1:53:49got a job and it's hard to find a place
1:53:52to stay. And and like I explained to
1:53:54April, it's not the best place in the
1:53:56world to live right now, but it sure is
1:53:58not the worst either, right? It's a roof
1:54:00over your head and there's food in your
1:54:02belly, which I provided that. I provided
1:54:04that. I did what I tonight. She's home
1:54:06alone in the dark.
1:54:12Probably with Ty in a very short period
1:54:15of time. Rory, read between the lines.
1:54:19But Ty, who do you think is going to be
1:54:21walking away from this building tonight?
1:54:24You or Ty? And then ask yourself, how
1:54:27come he gets to walk away and you don't?
1:54:31Because I mean, I I wasn't there. So I
1:54:33mean, yeah. Rob, what do you you telling
1:54:36me that he said he was he done it?
1:54:38That's what you told me. I'm ask telling
1:54:41you you're staying here and he's going
1:54:43home. So you read between the lines and
1:54:46in what world does that happen and why
1:54:50would that happen and you know when he
1:54:52leaves here Rory guess where he's going
1:54:54and guess who's terrified of him that's
1:54:58a lie bro I can't believe that man said
1:55:01I put that [ __ ] on me I had nothing to
1:55:03do with it lying he lying put two and
1:55:06two together if he was in the storage
1:55:08room taking out the clothes taking his
1:55:11clothes off why would he do that he
1:55:14never done that.
1:55:16I don't know the answer to that, Rory.
1:55:17If I So all I got say, okay, that like
1:55:19me. Okay. Well, he was he done it. I can
1:55:23go home if I say if I if I can say but
1:55:26yeah, Tam,
1:55:28I can go home. That's Won't you make it
1:55:30easy? You know, cuz I I didn't do fill
1:55:32in the blanks. Tell me what I need to
1:55:33know. What I what I know what you know.
1:55:36Tell me the details, Rory. Make me
1:55:38believe you were there and you saw what
1:55:39you saw.
1:55:41That's how that works. You know how that
1:55:42works. It's really simple. When
1:55:45something happens and there's two sides
1:55:47to the story and I've only heard one
1:55:48story and it's got all the details and
1:55:51you're sitting in here not telling me
1:55:52your side of the story. Guess what? I
1:55:55got one side of the story to go with
1:55:57Rory and that's all I got. And that side
1:55:59of the story's got an awful lot of
1:56:01details about what happened Friday
1:56:03night. Your side jack squat. Nothing
1:56:06other than I wasn't there. Okay. I don't
1:56:10believe that you were there. I believe
1:56:13wholeheartedly you did not kill Matt.
1:56:17You never went there to hurt anybody,
1:56:19but you were there. And so whose story
1:56:21is being listened to? Ties. Cuz he's the
1:56:25only one telling a story. You're
1:56:27choosing not to tell one. That's your
1:56:29right. You could sit here all night long
1:56:31and say, "Wasn't me. Didn't do it. Did I
1:56:33didn't do it." Well, can you I know you
1:56:35didn't. I know you didn't kill. No, you
1:56:37didn't murder him, Rory. Didn't kill
1:56:39nobody. But like I said, at the end of
1:56:40this night when April's sitting home in
1:56:43the dark and Tai's leaving this building
1:56:46and he's going home to her. After hours
1:56:49of questioning, Rory Wilson finally
1:56:51admitted to being at the apartment on
1:56:53the night Matthew Bonnet was killed. He
1:56:55claimed the robbery was never supposed
1:56:57to turn violent, but that version didn't
1:56:59hold up. Police identified two other
1:57:01suspects, Franklin Ty Tucker and John
1:57:04Travis Johnson. Johnson later confessed
1:57:07to driving the getaway car in exchange
1:57:09for a reduced sentence. He told
1:57:11detectives that Wilson and Tucker had
1:57:12planned the robbery to settle a drug
1:57:14debt. According to witness testimony, it
1:57:17was Wilson who put a knife to Paula
1:57:18Bonte's neck and demanded everything she
1:57:21had. When Bernett arrived and tried to
1:57:24intervene, he was stabbed five times. In
1:57:27December 2022, a jury convicted Wilson
1:57:30of robbery and homicide. He was
1:57:32sentenced to life without the
1:57:33possibility of parole. Tucker
1:57:35represented himself in a high-profile
1:57:37trial that ended in a mistrial. Months
1:57:40later, he accepted a plea deal and was
1:57:42released after being sentenced to time
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