The story of Alison Botha - Frans du Toit and Theuns Kruger — Transcript

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2. 0:41hi my lovelies welcome back to truth
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12. 0:59today i'm going to be covering a case
13. 1:01that i've wanted to cover for a very
14. 1:02long time but i also wanted to try to
15. 1:05get as much research done as possible so
16. 1:07before i start i'm always going to say a
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26. 1:30they can afford to but
27. 1:32nonetheless i am deeply appreciative
28. 1:36the case i'm going to cover today there
29. 1:38is a documentary on and i would really
30. 1:40recommend you watching it and i'll put a
31. 1:42link so that you can kind of look at
32. 1:44that documentary because i watched this
33. 1:47when it first came out and then when i
34. 1:49started doing the true crime channel i
35. 1:51thought at some point i'm gonna cover it
36. 1:54but i needed to find out as much as i
37. 1:56could that wasn't simply taken from the
38. 1:59documentary if that makes sense although
39. 2:00understandably the victim's story is the
40. 2:03most important and real-life account
41. 2:05that there can be
42. 2:07this is on a woman called alison bother
43. 2:10so she went through a heinous attack
44. 2:13that i'm going to outline
45. 2:15but before i do
46. 2:17because this is going to concentrate a
47. 2:18lot more on her story because it's a
48. 2:21first account of it she tells it i also
49. 2:24want to just bring in who her attackers
50. 2:26were because man
51. 2:29there is not a lot
52. 2:31of stuff out there
53. 2:32about the histories of her attackers
54. 2:35nonetheless
55. 2:36i have done my best so there were two
56. 2:39attackers in this case and i'm just
57. 2:41going to tell you a little bit about
58. 2:42them before we get into the main area of
59. 2:44what actually happened to allison and
60. 2:46her
61. 2:47unbelievably inspiring
62. 2:50recovery
63. 2:52i'm going to say that
64. 2:53right from the get-go
65. 2:55this is a story of hope and resilience
66. 2:59but it begins with
67. 3:02sinister evil behavior that
68. 3:06very few of us could even imagine
69. 3:08surviving
70. 3:10the perpetrators were franz de trois
71. 3:13and tien's kruger
72. 3:16i hope i've got the pronunciations right
73. 3:18so i'm just going to refer to them as
74. 3:19franz and tien's purely because alison
75. 3:22refers to them that way in her
76. 3:24documentary so it will make sense if you
77. 3:26watch it after this that it's in line
78. 3:29with her description
79. 3:30so franz de tois who was he well he came
80. 3:33from a reasonably good family his father
81. 3:35was a police officer would you believe
82. 3:37it he was known at school to be quite a
83. 3:40lazy student so the people that he was
84. 3:44surrounded by said that he wasn't
85. 3:45somebody who made a lot of effort he was
86. 3:48brought up in a deeply religious family
87. 3:49they were christian
88. 3:51he did not feel that he connected with
89. 3:54the christian faith we'll talk about
90. 3:56what he believed in in a minute he
91. 3:58actually set fire to his school
92. 4:00dormitory
93. 4:01at 13.
94. 4:05i know straight away you're like
95. 4:0713
96. 4:08setting fire to things what scale does
97. 4:11that remind me of and you'd be right it
98. 4:13is a big red flag as far as psychopathy
99. 4:16goes not saying that i can say he is one
100. 4:18just saying bit of an indicator of red
101. 4:20flag
102. 4:21he gets expelled unsurprisingly and
103. 4:25one of the reasons that he blames his
104. 4:27behavior
105. 4:28such as setting fire to things not doing
106. 4:30well at school is that he is influenced
107. 4:32by
108. 4:34heavy metal music i know
109. 4:36like even i at this point i'm like
110. 4:38really
111. 4:40were you playing the records backwards
112. 4:42what were you doing like who gets
113. 4:44influenced by heavy metal music and
114. 4:46don't pretend a lot of people do because
115. 4:48boys in particular very rarely listen
116. 4:51deeply to lyrics and imagine what's
117. 4:52going on in them but anyway he says at
118. 4:54this age he's deeply influenced by heavy
119. 4:56metal music and he feels that it like
120. 4:58turns him towards a darker side i
121. 5:00appreciate that that's his experience
122. 5:03i'm just saying
123. 5:04i've listened to a lot of her meta music
124. 5:06a lot of you have and i don't think any
125. 5:08of us are setting fire to our schools
126. 5:11unless some of you have in which case
127. 5:12comment below whether his family were
128. 5:14embarrassed or whether they genuinely
129. 5:16needed to move it ended up that after
130. 5:18the fire they moved 93 miles away
131. 5:21understandably it would be really
132. 5:22awkward for franz's father being that he
133. 5:25was a police officer that is not going
134. 5:27to engrace yourself to the local
135. 5:29constabulary when your son is just
136. 5:31randomly setting fire to schools
137. 5:33at this point when he's still a young
138. 5:36teenager he meets a girl and she
139. 5:39basically says that she's a witch
140. 5:41she's also
141. 5:42something i find really useful on dating
142. 5:44profiles you know if you look in just
143. 5:46like what's my speciality
144. 5:49i'm a witch
145. 5:50like
146. 5:51the only reason i would believe that
147. 5:53somebody was a witch is if literally
148. 5:55they could do a trick like i say
149. 5:58create
150. 5:59a cake now and they just go boom and the
151. 6:01cake's there unless you can do that i
152. 6:03don't believe you i'm just saying maybe
153. 6:05i have high standards but
154. 6:06just saying you're a witch is not enough
155. 6:08but nonetheless they get sexually
156. 6:10involved they're both very young so we
157. 6:12know that he's having sex early and that
158. 6:14he has some kind of interest in shall we
159. 6:16say
160. 6:17the darker side of life please before
161. 6:19somebody screams at me that there are
162. 6:20white witches i know there are i know
163. 6:22there are good witches i know there are
164. 6:23bad witches i'm just saying that she was
165. 6:25one of the
166. 6:26bad witches
167. 6:28i feel like i'm talking about the wizard
168. 6:29of oz right now i really do you catch my
169. 6:32drift right so basically
170. 6:34he's having sex with a girl who says
171. 6:36that she's a witch and she's into dark
172. 6:38practices and apparently
173. 6:40still as teenagers they start doing
174. 6:42these incantations where she incites
175. 6:45demons
176. 6:47and he apparently becomes possessed
177. 6:50at this point when he's about 13 14 he
178. 6:52decides that he's a satanist so this is
179. 6:55disturbing behavior for somebody of this
180. 6:56age right
181. 6:58arguably as well it can be that when you
182. 6:59feel quite isolated and you don't feel
183. 7:01like you connect that you'll find things
184. 7:03to cling on to so it is possible that
185. 7:06young people get involved with things
186. 7:07that they shouldn't get involved with
187. 7:09just to be cool or to feel like they
188. 7:11have connections admit it how many of us
189. 7:13did ouija boards
190. 7:15i did a lot of ouija boards if it is
191. 7:17possible to be possessed by the devil or
192. 7:18demons i think i probably should have
193. 7:20because we did a lot of them
194. 7:23did you let me know
195. 7:25also it's at this point when he starts
196. 7:27having sex that he really recognises it
197. 7:29is having these kind of dark fantasies
198. 7:31when he's having sex he thinks about
199. 7:32what it'd be like to rape women and he
200. 7:35plays them out whilst having sex so we
201. 7:37also see this really disturbing behavior
202. 7:40he's starting to have sexual
203. 7:41relationships early but the way that
204. 7:43he's actually feeling turned on is to
205. 7:45imagine what it would be like to have
206. 7:47non-consensual sex he's obviously
207. 7:49engaged and shall we say things that are
208. 7:51not positive for an adolescent of his
209. 7:52age and it doesn't feel like he has
210. 7:55concerns about it if anything it's
211. 7:57something that he kind of incites more
212. 8:00and more
213. 8:01he's really average at school in fact
214. 8:02his peers know that he's very lazy when
215. 8:04he's 14 he has to do the year twice so
216. 8:07he's not excelling it's not that he
217. 8:08isn't bright it's that he's choosing not
218. 8:11to do well
219. 8:12so his parents eventually sent him into
220. 8:14the army
221. 8:15and basically when he's there he spends
222. 8:18three months of his time in the
223. 8:19detention barracks
224. 8:21so
225. 8:22he has problems with authority he's an
226. 8:24individual who doesn't like being told
227. 8:27what to do
228. 8:29after he's essentially let go of from
229. 8:31the army his parents then help him to
230. 8:33get a job and that's a job in a mine in
231. 8:36welcome which is in the free state in
232. 8:39south africa now
233. 8:41at this point he does manage to meet
234. 8:42somebody he meets a woman gets married
235. 8:46and he has a child
236. 8:48but then
237. 8:49pretty shortly after having the child
238. 8:51he leaves his wife because
239. 8:53she didn't satisfy him sexually that was
240. 8:55his reason
241. 8:58franz sounds like a delight doesn't he
242. 9:01when he's not having sex with witches
243. 9:03he's blaming his wife for her inadequacy
244. 9:06when we all know that it will certainly
245. 9:07be him with the problem
246. 9:09it's also worth noting that before the
247. 9:11attack on allison that we're going to
248. 9:13cover he had raped several women before
249. 9:15so he was quite happy to act alone and i
250. 9:18hate this category of rapists
251. 9:21and a lot of you will be like what
252. 9:22category what is this category there is
253. 9:24this category of rapist
254. 9:27known as the gentleman rapist
255. 9:30there is no such thing as a gentleman
256. 9:32rapist obviously but what they mean by
257. 9:34that is the fantasy that the rapist
258. 9:37constructs with his victim is that she's
259. 9:39enjoying it so he will often talk to her
260. 9:43try to charm her in bizarre ways ask
261. 9:46whether she likes it makes her say that
262. 9:48she's enjoying things that clearly she
263. 9:50would never like and almost is using his
264. 9:54wiles in his belief system to make what
265. 9:56his behavior is acceptable
266. 9:59so that's the kind of rapist he is he
267. 10:01isn't the huge aggressive predator he's
268. 10:05much more a predator who then disguises
269. 10:07in his own beliefs his behavior by
270. 10:10acting like he cares about what he's
271. 10:12doing
272. 10:13i think we can safely say by this point
273. 10:15he has fitted quite a lot of the
274. 10:17psychopath scale qualities can't we like
275. 10:20i said can't diagnose him but i think
276. 10:22we're all on the same page there
277. 10:24now in 1995 he moves to port elizabeth
278. 10:28that's again because his parents have
279. 10:30helped him out
280. 10:31they gave him some employment this time
281. 10:32as a driver for a chain of stationery
282. 10:34shops and it's going really well until
283. 10:37they find out that he's stealing from
284. 10:39his employer yes he's stealing money
285. 10:41from his employer
286. 10:43just a really great kind of employee
287. 10:45isn't a great kind of husband just a
288. 10:47great kind of human in general basically
289. 10:49gets a suspended sentence of three years
290. 10:52and at this point he thinks okay well
291. 10:54what will i do i'll open a she bean
292. 10:58i didn't know what one of those were
293. 10:59either basically it's a place where you
294. 11:01sell alcohol illegally that's where he
295. 11:04meets tian's johann kruger that's in
296. 11:061994.
297. 11:08and he is the other perpetrator he is
298. 11:10the accomplice in this crime
299. 11:12so let's look at teens tien's is
300. 11:14different
301. 11:15when you look at his childhood because
302. 11:18his childhood hadn't according to him
303. 11:20been very happy his father left his mum
304. 11:22shortly after she got pregnant and then
305. 11:25his father actually went to prison
306. 11:26himself so potentially we have a bit of
307. 11:28a genetic link there or at least a
308. 11:30social conditioning wing his mum was
309. 11:32married three times which i understand
310. 11:34would be quite difficult for any child
311. 11:36and he did experience violence he also
312. 11:39suggested that he was sexually abused by
313. 11:41his stepfather as a child what i will
314. 11:44say is that his stepfather has
315. 11:46vehemently denied this entirely and said
316. 11:49that he will sue people who claim that
317. 11:51that was the case so it has been very
318. 11:54very much resisted on his stepfather's
319. 11:57part i will also let it be known that it
320. 11:59was much later on that he claimed this
321. 12:01and i think potentially there was
322. 12:03reasoning behind it so that people
323. 12:05understood his actions more so make what
324. 12:08you will of whether this individual
325. 12:09really was abused or whether he used it
326. 12:12as a ruse to try to get an easier
327. 12:14sentence who knows i'm just giving you
328. 12:15the information he also felt suicidal at
329. 12:18times and he seriously contemplated
330. 12:20suicide on at least one occasion
331. 12:23he had a lot of bullying at school
332. 12:25and the reason for that which to you and
333. 12:28i this will seem ridiculous now
334. 12:30because honestly i just don't think kids
335. 12:34would react in the same way i know kids
336. 12:36are bullies still but he had a third
337. 12:38nipple so they called him dretit which
338. 12:41is three tit so
339. 12:43it really used to get to him they had
340. 12:45this third nipple and it meant he felt
341. 12:47isolated and it meant that he felt quite
342. 12:48rageful towards his peers
343. 12:51tien's also really struggled to get
344. 12:52sexual satisfaction with partners
345. 12:55because no one wanted to sleep with him
346. 12:56like literally that was the issue he was
347. 12:58frustrated because he couldn't find
348. 13:01consenting partners he was angry with
349. 13:04women because they wouldn't have sex
350. 13:06with him
351. 13:08there's a whole lot wrong with that idea
352. 13:11but when you think about the rise in in
353. 13:13cells at the moment for those of you who
354. 13:15don't know what incels are they are
355. 13:17young men particularly who feel really
356. 13:19angry that women won't sleep with them
357. 13:22and they get really rageful and they
358. 13:24really incite one another on because
359. 13:26they feel that women should just be
360. 13:27willingly parting their legs for them
361. 13:29essentially that's their philosophy and
362. 13:31they blame women not themselves they're
363. 13:34not like maybe i need to go on a charm
364. 13:35course maybe i need to think about the
365. 13:37way that i ask questions at dinner in an
366. 13:39appropriate manner maybe i need to think
367. 13:41about some interesting dates to take
368. 13:42them you know they don't think like that
369. 13:43they're like it's the woman who isn't
370. 13:45wanting to sleep with me it's her fault
371. 13:46so he kind of had that similar rage and
372. 13:49felt really upset that he couldn't find
373. 13:51partners now similarly to franz it seems
374. 13:54that tien's believed in the devil too
375. 13:57satan is very popular in this case and
376. 14:00his nicknames by people who knew him
377. 14:02were
378. 14:03damien
379. 14:04as in
380. 14:05from the movie
381. 14:07the omen
382. 14:08and chucky as in the murderous little
383. 14:11weird doll from chad's play so he was
384. 14:14obviously considered a really
385. 14:16well-adjusted young man
386. 14:20one of the things that was noted by
387. 14:21people who knew him was that he just had
388. 14:22absolutely no feelings for anyone
389. 14:24although and i'll take a quote he liked
390. 14:27the ant he had been living with because
391. 14:29she gave him food and is friendly
392. 14:33a part of me wants to laugh because
393. 14:34obviously that's the lowest bar ever and
394. 14:36a part of me wants to go okay so we can
395. 14:39assume that tien's had a difficult life
396. 14:41right because
397. 14:42if that's your bar well she didn't hurt
398. 14:44me and she did feed me occasionally that
399. 14:47is not a good place so i'm gonna say
400. 14:48tien's unlike friends had a difficult
401. 14:50life growing up he also got involved in
402. 14:52drugs and alcohol really early on we
403. 14:54know that that can affect the developing
404. 14:55brain not giving him any excuses for
405. 14:58what he did i'm saying the contributing
406. 15:00factors towards are more exampled in his
407. 15:03upbringing than in france's upbringing
408. 15:05like a lot of individuals who maybe
409. 15:07don't feel that they've got direction
410. 15:09just like franz when he left school he
411. 15:11joined the army
412. 15:12and
413. 15:13bizarrely enough
414. 15:15also claimed to have an intense sexual
415. 15:17relationship with a satanic witch
416. 15:22maybe it's the same one
417. 15:24maybe that's her witchery
418. 15:27she just finds strange men to bamboozle
419. 15:32with her witchy wiles
420. 15:34either way both friends and teens claim
421. 15:36to have had
422. 15:38sex with a satanic witch consensual most
423. 15:41probably as well which was unusual with
424. 15:44rmo
425. 15:45i have to say
426. 15:47whether that's true or otherwise i don't
427. 15:49know but it's their story it's also
428. 15:52worth noting that tianzi's mum said that
429. 15:54her reflection on his childhood was that
430. 15:56actually they were quite close and they
431. 15:57did have fun but she also acknowledges
432. 15:59that she hardly had any contact with him
433. 16:01as he got older
434. 16:02which i find strange because
435. 16:04i can't go more
436. 16:06than
437. 16:08seven hours before
438. 16:10wanting a gps tag put on my child
439. 16:13like literally that not normal parenting
440. 16:15so the idea of not being in contact with
441. 16:17my kid for like years just would not
442. 16:18happen
443. 16:19also a psychiatrist who evaluated chins
444. 16:22said that he suffered really badly from
445. 16:24low self-image he seemed incredibly easy
446. 16:27to influence and the the whole premise
447. 16:30about satanism was about wanting to
448. 16:32belong he wanted to belong and shion's
449. 16:35also had this thing about wanting to
450. 16:37have the power of being a demon
451. 16:40so he felt that
452. 16:43being himself was not enough
453. 16:45there was something lacking about him
454. 16:47maybe it was his sexual prowess maybe it
455. 16:50was his conscience around the reality
456. 16:51that he couldn't hold down good
457. 16:52relationships and maybe it was his
458. 16:54desire to belong to something or someone
459. 16:57so the consequence of that is that
460. 16:58satanism influences him more than it
461. 17:01should and franz when he meets him gives
462. 17:04him that perfect opportunity to practice
463. 17:06that sense of being more dominant and i
464. 17:09guess that if you felt weak and
465. 17:10powerless and people are taking the mick
466. 17:12out of you for having your third nipple
467. 17:14the idea of being able to destroy them
468. 17:16as a demon potentially would satisfy you
469. 17:19in your imagination if nothing else so
470. 17:21you've got this perfect match aren't you
471. 17:22franz is the conscience-free manipulator
472. 17:25and chun's is the acceptance-seeking
473. 17:27impressionable misfit who no one really
474. 17:30likes
475. 17:31also noted when i did the research on my
476. 17:33personalities again not a lot is out
477. 17:35there but it definitely appears that
478. 17:37franz was the one who needed to be
479. 17:39dominant all the time
480. 17:41for example when they were selecting
481. 17:42victims it was him who selected them
482. 17:45when it was the initial approach to the
483. 17:47victim it was friends who went and did
484. 17:49it
485. 17:50he was the one who gave the orders that
486. 17:52doesn't make tians in any way shape or
487. 17:55form less guilty i'm just saying that's
488. 17:57how the relationship played out right so
489. 18:00now i've got you to understand a little
490. 18:02bit about the psychology and the history
491. 18:05of those two perpetrators let's tell you
492. 18:07the story of elephant bother which i
493. 18:08promise you will be worth listening to
494. 18:11so who was alison bother she was born on
495. 18:13september the 22nd 1967 in port
496. 18:16elizabeth south africa her parents were
497. 18:19divorced when she was 10 years old and
498. 18:21she spent most of her childhood living
499. 18:23with her mother and brother she was very
500. 18:25very close to her family in her early
501. 18:27years she was a really good girl she
502. 18:29lived what would be considered a normal
503. 18:31life whatever one of those is an average
504. 18:33life she served as a head girl at a
505. 18:35school so obviously she was bright that
506. 18:37was the colliergate high school for
507. 18:38girls in port elizabeth and when she
508. 18:40finished her education she actually went
509. 18:42traveling for about three years so she
510. 18:44obviously had some real wonderlust and
511. 18:46there would have been a confidence there
512. 18:47wouldn't there to be able to go and
513. 18:49travel like that so after she returned
514. 18:51home one of the things that her mum said
515. 18:52was that she was really glad because she
516. 18:54spent that entire three years just being
517. 18:56worried about her which you would i
518. 18:58completely understand that she did go to
519. 19:00secretarial school as well so she had
520. 19:03got herself educated but she did feel
521. 19:05that she didn't necessarily have a
522. 19:06particular dream
523. 19:08now alison found a job when she came
524. 19:10back from traveling as an insurance
525. 19:11broker she really enjoyed it and she was
526. 19:13great at it
527. 19:14when you listen to alice and talk about
528. 19:16herself she's like she wasn't
529. 19:17outstanding
530. 19:19but
531. 19:20the fact that she was head girl
532. 19:22the fact that she traveled the world the
533. 19:25fact that she did well when she got jobs
534. 19:26i think she probably
535. 19:28has a bit of an issue with humility
536. 19:30because to me if you've been a head girl
537. 19:32it means that you are outstanding at
538. 19:34your school but if you listen to her
539. 19:35describe herself she'll tell you a
540. 19:37different story she's also incredibly
541. 19:39beautiful really beautiful on december
542. 19:42the 18th 1994 alison is returning back
543. 19:45home after she's had a night out with
544. 19:46her friends she's just dropped one of
545. 19:47her friends off and she gets back just
546. 19:50about to get out of her car when the
547. 19:52passenger door swings open and she
548. 19:54doesn't even have a moment to do
549. 19:56anything when she finds herself with a
550. 19:58knife against her throat
551. 19:59and this guy is saying to her move over
552. 20:02or i'll kill you
553. 20:03can you imagine how terrifying that
554. 20:05would be
555. 20:06so in the blink of an eye she goes from
556. 20:09celebrating it's near christmas with all
557. 20:11of her friends to having a guy
558. 20:13with a knife against her neck
559. 20:16threatening to kill her now even though
560. 20:18he's put a knife to her throat and
561. 20:19driven her away
562. 20:21he hasn't actually said he's going to
563. 20:23hurt her in fact he's saying i just need
564. 20:24to use your car for an hour introduces
565. 20:26himself as clinton this is actually
566. 20:28friends by the way he tells her that he
567. 20:31just wants to use a car for an hour and
568. 20:33it will be fine
569. 20:34he also starts asking the questions like
570. 20:36do you have a boyfriend which is hugely
571. 20:37inappropriate no one wants to answer
572. 20:38that when you just kidnap me at
573. 20:40knifepoint
574. 20:41and alison says in her own words that
575. 20:44when he was having that conversation she
576. 20:46kind of convinced herself that it'd be
577. 20:48okay
578. 20:49that maybe this was a situation where
579. 20:51she'd been carjacked he'd use the car
580. 20:53he'd let her go
581. 20:54that was her hope
582. 20:56but then he stops the car and he picks
583. 20:59up another person and that's teens and
584. 21:02she says the moment that she saw teens
585. 21:04in the rear-view mirror she realized
586. 21:06that she was in trouble
587. 21:07she said that he looked absolutely dead
588. 21:10behind the eyes
589. 21:12and that she knew in that moment that
590. 21:14she was in danger that something bad was
591. 21:15going to happen i mean i don't think she
592. 21:16could have predicted what happened but
593. 21:19certainly
594. 21:20it chilled her
595. 21:22they then drive
596. 21:24a long way and she's being taken away
597. 21:26from all residential areas and she
598. 21:28realizes that she has no idea where
599. 21:30she's going but it's a long way from
600. 21:32home
601. 21:33they then pull over the car into
602. 21:35basically an alcove the alcove where
603. 21:37they pulled was off-road and it was down
604. 21:39a track it was a really sandy area and
605. 21:41it had like all barbecues there and
606. 21:43things like that so there were literally
607. 21:44no witnesses around at all she was
608. 21:46completely on her own
609. 21:48and they actually asked her
610. 21:51are you gonna put up a fight
611. 21:54now
612. 21:54think about that
613. 21:56these two guys armed
614. 21:58in the middle of nowhere
615. 22:01no witnesses
616. 22:02no one to save you
617. 22:04and they're asking you are you gonna
618. 22:05fight
619. 22:06clearly you're gonna be like no i'll be
620. 22:09as compliant as hell please leave me
621. 22:11alone
622. 22:12franz forces there to have oral sex and
623. 22:15then he does the same to her and one of
624. 22:16the things that she really struggles
625. 22:18with in the documentary and when she
626. 22:20talks about this in interviews is that
627. 22:21she had an orgasm now for people
628. 22:24listening you might be horrified by that
629. 22:26but it's actually a protective mechanism
630. 22:28also think about high anxiety and the
631. 22:30way that places look at soul and
632. 22:31adrenaline levels and understand that
633. 22:33this is something that rape victims
634. 22:35really struggle with so it is not
635. 22:36unusual can you imagine how awful that
636. 22:39is can you imagine how terrible it is
637. 22:41for anybody who is violated to orgasm it
638. 22:44feels like your body is completely
639. 22:46betraying you doesn't it but it's not
640. 22:48it's a protective mechanism it's why
641. 22:49women should never feel ashamed of
642. 22:52having that conversation it's why alison
643. 22:54talks about it because in that moment
644. 22:57your body is in defense mode it will do
645. 22:59whatever it needs to survive
646. 23:02after she's been raped by friends
647. 23:06he actually asks tians whether he wants
648. 23:07to do the same but he wants to have sex
649. 23:09with her
650. 23:10and
651. 23:11tians makes it clear that he doesn't
652. 23:13want to have sex with her instead he
653. 23:14wants to f her
654. 23:17and this is where that
655. 23:18ridiculous psychology that franz has
656. 23:21comes in
657. 23:22he actually says that tn shouldn't use
658. 23:25language like that in front of a lady
659. 23:27that alison is really classy
660. 23:30but for alison there's this clear
661. 23:32recognition
662. 23:33that franz was bad enough but tien's is
663. 23:37another level
664. 23:38and when he starts having sex with her
665. 23:40he also starts to choke her
666. 23:42some discussion takes place between the
667. 23:44men as well
668. 23:45and that is
669. 23:46that they think that they're going to
670. 23:47have to kill her so she's hearing this
671. 23:50can you imagine how terrifying that
672. 23:51would be
673. 23:53so she's been raped
674. 23:55she's been kidnapped she's in the middle
675. 23:57of nowhere
676. 23:58and now the perpetrators are talking
677. 24:00about murdering her
678. 24:03and the attack
679. 24:04on alison
680. 24:05is
681. 24:06horrific she was stabbed multiple times
682. 24:10and alison said that she actually
683. 24:12remembered thinking at the time that
684. 24:14franz specifically wanted to mutilate
685. 24:17her reproductive organs
686. 24:19that that was what he was aiming for
687. 24:22and actually they were really annoyed
688. 24:23because they thought they killed her and
689. 24:25then her leg twitched
690. 24:27so then
691. 24:28tiens took over
692. 24:30and that's when together
693. 24:34they slit a throat 17 times just let
694. 24:37that sink in
695. 24:4017 times
696. 24:42now that friends and teens have carried
697. 24:43out this utterly barbaric in their
698. 24:45belief murder
699. 24:47they drive away
700. 24:49leave her naked
701. 24:51as far as seconds then she's absolutely
702. 24:53dead after all who could survive that
703. 24:55kind of brutality
704. 24:57how alison is alive at this point i have
705. 25:00no idea
706. 25:01you just think about that over 30 times
707. 25:03in the abdomen 17 times slashed across
708. 25:06her throat she's completely naked
709. 25:08completely vulnerable and she's in the
710. 25:09middle of nowhere
711. 25:11and one of the things that she says she
712. 25:12becomes really aware of is her breathing
713. 25:14and the reason that she can hear her
714. 25:16breathing so loudly is because they've
715. 25:18severed her windpipe
716. 25:20and she talks about the fact that in
717. 25:22that moment she just thought i'm gonna
718. 25:24die
719. 25:25and she physically felt herself leave
720. 25:28her body
721. 25:29completely
722. 25:30like she feels herself above her body
723. 25:32and she can actually see her body all
724. 25:35slashed and or broken and she said that
725. 25:38all she could hear was silence
726. 25:41so there's no connection with a physical
727. 25:43form
728. 25:44and she knows she's dying
729. 25:47but
730. 25:47she talks about the fact that even
731. 25:49though she feels this distance
732. 25:51and even though she knows that she's
733. 25:53left her body physically
734. 25:55she knows that she still has a choice
735. 25:57and that she still can make a choice to
736. 26:00return to her body so she chooses to do
737. 26:02so and the reason that she gives for
738. 26:04that is that she says that she realized
739. 26:07i wanted a chance to live my life better
740. 26:10i wanted to make my mark
741. 26:12and in that moment she came back into my
742. 26:14body a lot of people who have near-death
743. 26:17experiences talk about that moment that
744. 26:19choice
745. 26:20knowing that there is an option for them
746. 26:22to return that might not be easy but
747. 26:25it'll be transformative and the story
748. 26:27that i'm telling you today is all about
749. 26:29transformation
750. 26:32when she gets back into her body she
751. 26:33still doesn't know that she's going to
752. 26:34live shall we stay but she knows that
753. 26:36she's got to do something
754. 26:38so she wants to make sure that her
755. 26:40perpetrators are court can you believe
756. 26:42that she does this
757. 26:45so she has had all of those injuries
758. 26:49just
759. 26:50imagine
760. 26:51what a stage she's in
761. 26:53and she writes in the sand
762. 26:56friends
763. 26:57and tiens because she's heard them
764. 26:59talking
765. 27:00they drop their cover
766. 27:02during the drive
767. 27:03she knows who they are
768. 27:05so as far as she was concerned in that
769. 27:07moment even if she was going to die
770. 27:09getting back in that body meant that the
771. 27:11police would know who had killed her
772. 27:13and then heartbreakingly she also wrote
773. 27:16i love mum
774. 27:17or mom i should say we'd say mum in the
775. 27:21uk
776. 27:24about this point
777. 27:25she talks about
778. 27:27the realisation that something wet is
779. 27:29around her legs
780. 27:31and she puts her hands down and she
781. 27:34realizes that it's her intestines
782. 27:37and her intestines have basically all
783. 27:39come out because they've disemboweled
784. 27:40her
785. 27:42so
786. 27:43in spite of being in this agony in spite
787. 27:45of this horror that's going on she
788. 27:48reaches over for a denim shirt that she
789. 27:49had with her because obviously they've
790. 27:51left her clothes
791. 27:52even though she was left naked they
792. 27:54hadn't taken the clothes with her so she
793. 27:56then gathers her intestines in
794. 27:59basically covering them
795. 28:01now i have no idea how she manages to
796. 28:04get to her feet but there is something
797. 28:06going on in her that says that she has
798. 28:08to try and there is this
799. 28:11horrific description really when she
800. 28:13talks about the fact that when she
801. 28:15starts to get up everything goes black
802. 28:17and she doesn't know why and then she
803. 28:18realizes and it's because her throat is
804. 28:20cut so badly that her head is almost
805. 28:22decapitated so she has to push her head
806. 28:24back on this is true
807. 28:26i'm not making this up
808. 28:27doctors will verify it
809. 28:29that's how serious that was
810. 28:32it was because the muscle in her neck
811. 28:34had been caught
812. 28:36she had to reposition her head
813. 28:39now
814. 28:40what is insane
815. 28:42about this story and beautiful
816. 28:46is that alison was a long way
817. 28:48from the main road
818. 28:50a long way
819. 28:52think about her injuries
820. 28:54think about the blood loss
821. 28:56she's holding it intestines together
822. 28:59with her denim shirt
823. 29:01her head is all but decapitated
824. 29:04and the road is a long way away
825. 29:06and all she felt
826. 29:08was something lifting her
827. 29:10kid you're not
828. 29:13get
829. 29:14chills when i think about it i did the
830. 29:16first time i watched it you've got to
831. 29:17watch it now because you'll be like the
832. 29:18same
833. 29:20and
834. 29:21she just felt self-carried
835. 29:23she literally felt herself lifted and
836. 29:25carried all the way to the road
837. 29:28and then she's laid on the road
838. 29:31now there's no way
839. 29:33that somebody in her condition could
840. 29:35have made it by herself there's no way
841. 29:37and then you think about somebody
842. 29:39finding her and carrying no way
843. 29:41as far as she's concerned that was an
844. 29:43angel as far as she's concerned that's
845. 29:44what saved her
846. 29:46and also
847. 29:47then a car appears
848. 29:49and she's thinking to herself oh my god
849. 29:50it could be her killers
850. 29:53but ironically this car drives away that
851. 29:55drives me insane when i hear that bit
852. 29:57because imagine being somebody finding a
853. 29:59woman cuts pieces in the road clearly
854. 30:01naked clearly in a horrendous state and
855. 30:03you just drive away fortunately within
856. 30:05moments another car arrives and that car
857. 30:07is being driven by 20 year old
858. 30:09veterinary student tian ellard and
859. 30:11what's incredible about this experience
860. 30:12is it doesn't just change alison's life
861. 30:15it changes tien's life too he and his
862. 30:17friends in the car are absolutely
863. 30:19stunned of course they are they can see
864. 30:21instantly this girl has been
865. 30:22horrifically horrifically abused and he
866. 30:24actually kneels down next to her tells
867. 30:26her that she's going to be all right and
868. 30:28one of his friends has got a mobile
869. 30:29phone which is amazing because it was
870. 30:31literally at this point really new
871. 30:34technology
872. 30:35so
873. 30:36the chance
874. 30:37that not only would a car pull up but
875. 30:40that car
876. 30:41in the middle of nowhere has got
877. 30:43somebody with a mobile phone that hardly
878. 30:45anybody had is unreal a miracle
879. 30:49so they call for an ambulance and you
880. 30:50know how long that ambulance takes
881. 30:5350
882. 30:54minutes
883. 30:5650 minutes how she didn't die
884. 30:58no one knows and if it isn't shocking
885. 31:00enough that the ambulance took 50
886. 31:01minutes to arrive when you've got
887. 31:03someone who's literally clinging on for
888. 31:04life elif said that more worryingly they
889. 31:08drove really slowly to the hospital and
890. 31:10he assumed that the ambulance drivers
891. 31:12and paramedics thought there was no way
892. 31:14that she was going to live they had
893. 31:15never seen injuries
894. 31:17on anyone like this who lived and that's
895. 31:21per se in the hospital it's known
896. 31:23historically as the case where she
897. 31:26should not have lived no one had ever
898. 31:28come close to being that injured and
899. 31:30surviving and what's amazing is that
900. 31:34ellard's life changed the moment that he
901. 31:37actually met alison because he decided
902. 31:40to stop training to be a vet and instead
903. 31:43he trained to be a doctor and he grants
904. 31:45that experience as the reason for it
905. 31:49when she arrives at hospital
906. 31:52no one can believe
907. 31:53what she's like they can't believe the
908. 31:56brutality and extent of her injuries her
909. 31:58specialist in intensive care said in his
910. 31:59entire career he had never treated
911. 32:02anyone who had experienced horror like
912. 32:04she had
913. 32:05in fact when you watch him talk about he
914. 32:07still cries because he's so affected by
915. 32:09it
916. 32:10the horrific wound to her neck affected
917. 32:13a trachea they cut through her windpipe
918. 32:16her throat was slipped from ear to ear
919. 32:18that in itself
920. 32:20is
921. 32:21unbelievable to imagine surviving alison
922. 32:24was also disembowelled and remember what
923. 32:26i said about where she had been raped
924. 32:29there was like barbecue debris there was
925. 32:32sound there was dirt
926. 32:34and that meant that when they were
927. 32:35looking at her bowel which was obviously
928. 32:37all disemboweled with her intestines
929. 32:40they were literally covered in charcoal
930. 32:43sand and dirt
931. 32:44and
932. 32:45the doctors who operated on her to save
933. 32:47her life that evening thought that there
934. 32:49was absolutely no way that she'd ever be
935. 32:50able to have children because she was so
936. 32:52badly damaged now the intensive care
937. 32:54doctor has a hell of a lot of work to do
938. 32:56and there is also another surgeon on
939. 32:58call and it's unbelievable
940. 33:00because
941. 33:01in spite of the fact that alison is
942. 33:04clinging on for dear life
943. 33:06she needs more than ent which is ear
944. 33:09nose and throat because obviously her
945. 33:10throat is in just such a state she's
946. 33:12obviously got all these other injuries
947. 33:14that requires a surgeon who can be an
948. 33:16expert there and it turns out the
949. 33:18surgeon who is on call because he
950. 33:20trained in india he was actually trained
951. 33:23in all surgery so his specialism was ent
952. 33:27but he was actually qualified as a
953. 33:28general surgeon
954. 33:30and he knew that he could do it he knew
955. 33:32he could help her
956. 33:34and
957. 33:35the truth is that when you think about
958. 33:37what they had to do
959. 33:39they had to get every bit of her
960. 33:40intestine
961. 33:42and they had to do things like scrub it
962. 33:44clean
963. 33:45literally with a scrubbing brush at
964. 33:46times because the infection that you can
965. 33:48cause down there
966. 33:50when dirt is left remember the bowel is
967. 33:52a really mucky area anyway can be
968. 33:55catastrophic it can cause blood
969. 33:56poisoning is why people die
970. 33:58so
971. 33:59imagine at this moment in time
972. 34:02the series of events that have led you
973. 34:04to alison being in the theater
974. 34:07with a doctor who's qualified to deal
975. 34:09with those horrific injuries
976. 34:13it's nothing short of miraculous is it
977. 34:16even more so is this
978. 34:18in spite of alison being in that state
979. 34:20she was able to consent
980. 34:22to her surgery she was able to sign her
981. 34:25name and she even wrote her mother's
982. 34:27phone number down because she wanted him
983. 34:28to be called
984. 34:30like
985. 34:32it's unreal isn't it the icu doctor said
986. 34:34without that particular on-call surgeon
987. 34:37they wouldn't be able to do it because
988. 34:39he absolutely
989. 34:41manifested the most unbelievable healing
990. 34:44on that evening
991. 34:45and both doctors said that in spite of
992. 34:48the fact that they are medics in spite
993. 34:50of the fact that they are surgeons in
994. 34:51spite of the fact that you know they are
995. 34:53scientists
996. 34:56they cannot
997. 34:58question anything other
998. 35:00than a miracle occurred they really
999. 35:02believe that
1000. 35:03that there is no other reason for her
1001. 35:06survival that somehow in spite of all
1002. 35:08her horrific injuries when they looked
1003. 35:11at what had occurred bear in mind how
1004. 35:13many times she was stabbed in the
1005. 35:14abdomen bear in mind the throat right
1006. 35:18when they actually explored her injuries
1007. 35:20none of her lungs hearts were damaged
1008. 35:23the bowel injury didn't result in any
1009. 35:24infection and her trachea
1010. 35:27healed perfectly
1011. 35:30also
1012. 35:31the hospital was so caring
1013. 35:33and that icu doctor he stayed with her
1014. 35:36all night
1015. 35:37he just wanted to make sure that she got
1016. 35:38through
1017. 35:40now the following morning the police
1018. 35:41obviously show up at the hospital
1019. 35:43and
1020. 35:44they take a book of pictures because
1021. 35:46they want to try to find out as soon as
1022. 35:49possible who these horrific attempted
1023. 35:51murderers and rapists are
1024. 35:53and she's unreal
1025. 35:55because not only does she point out
1026. 35:58both of her rapists she then writes the
1027. 36:00name down
1028. 36:02so she's that strong think about this
1029. 36:04has been 24 hours of this horrific thing
1030. 36:06happening
1031. 36:08the doctor is then told look
1032. 36:10as much as this is really powerful that
1033. 36:12she's written the names down and she's
1034. 36:14identified them the chief prosecutor has
1035. 36:16said that the case would be stronger if
1036. 36:18she could actually say who her attackers
1037. 36:20were
1038. 36:22so then the doctor has to go and say to
1039. 36:23allison look the chief prosecutor has
1040. 36:25said that if you can speak their names
1041. 36:28it will be far more powerful i
1042. 36:30understand why because obviously anybody
1043. 36:32can write names down right so that would
1044. 36:34give a defense an opportunity to say
1045. 36:35well it wasn't actually our client who
1046. 36:37did that but as soon as the doctor says
1047. 36:40it she writes down take it out
1048. 36:44now the doctor was really worried
1049. 36:45because they just fixed a trachea and he
1050. 36:47was deeply worried that it might affect
1051. 36:49the surgery affect her healing and she
1052. 36:51didn't care she just wanted those
1053. 36:53perpetrators taken she wanted them taken
1054. 36:56down
1055. 36:57and when he took the tube out she
1056. 36:59basically said that feels wonderful
1057. 37:02again just shocks you to imagine that
1058. 37:04how can somebody have that mindset hours
1059. 37:07after this horrific crime
1060. 37:08that having that tube removed is
1061. 37:10wonderful
1062. 37:12and then she said the names franz and
1063. 37:14tiens
1064. 37:16it was a really short amount of time
1065. 37:18that she was in icu then she got
1066. 37:19discharged to awards and basically
1067. 37:22started her journey to recovery and it's
1068. 37:24worth letting you know that her injuries
1069. 37:26were so severe so devastating that a lot
1070. 37:28of her friends couldn't even face
1071. 37:29visiting her for a few days
1072. 37:31because they were so overwhelmed with
1073. 37:33what had happened and then
1074. 37:35when they did go and visit her they were
1075. 37:37absolutely blindsided
1076. 37:40she had the most incredible resilience
1077. 37:42though her friends talk about the fact
1078. 37:43that she was joking
1079. 37:45and that they shouldn't cry because she
1080. 37:46hadn't cracked a nail and she hadn't
1081. 37:50in all of that horror in all of that
1082. 37:51attack
1083. 37:52alison's perfect nails had stayed intact
1084. 37:56but what kind of resilience have you got
1085. 38:00to crack a joke like that i mean i'm
1086. 38:01into gallows humor guys you know i am
1087. 38:03you gotta you gotta learn to laugh
1088. 38:04haven't you but i don't think i would be
1089. 38:06able to be quite as resilient in such a
1090. 38:08situation and everybody who met alison
1091. 38:11since that day
1092. 38:13has felt completely stunned by her story
1093. 38:16and that was the beginning of her
1094. 38:18journey really she needed plastic
1095. 38:20surgery she used to constantly have to
1096. 38:22have her abdomen scraped out for healing
1097. 38:25and she said that when she looks at what
1098. 38:28they put her through
1099. 38:29all her recovery felt was pain that's
1100. 38:32the only way that she can describe it
1101. 38:33she still has pain these days but
1102. 38:35nothing compared to them you know she
1103. 38:37has manageable pain now because of
1104. 38:39alison's case two other women's cases
1105. 38:41are also recognised so two women had
1106. 38:42reported attacks themselves they'd had
1107. 38:45their lives threatened
1108. 38:46by these men but nonetheless they came
1109. 38:49forward and that gave weight to alison's
1110. 38:52case so both the men are arrested and
1111. 38:54both are unbelievably shocked
1112. 38:57because of course
1113. 38:59they think they've murdered alison
1114. 39:02they're not expecting her to be the star
1115. 39:04witness and in fact detective humpel who
1116. 39:07was one of the prosecuting officers said
1117. 39:09that when he told franz that he had him
1118. 39:12and that alison was alive he just kind
1119. 39:14of went well there's nothing i can do
1120. 39:15you've got me bang to write so to speak
1121. 39:18it must have been so deeply satisfying
1122. 39:20and in that moment franz actually took
1123. 39:22off a ring
1124. 39:24that belonged to alison
1125. 39:26that was covered in allison's blood
1126. 39:28the arrogance of it
1127. 39:30unbelievable but i imagine that deep
1128. 39:33satisfaction of the detective where he's
1129. 39:36just like i have you and there is
1130. 39:38nothing that you can do about it i also
1131. 39:40have to say about that detective who
1132. 39:41suddenly died in 2020 he had a heart
1133. 39:44attack in 2020
1134. 39:45but it was a career defining moment for
1135. 39:47him it really was and he knew that he
1136. 39:50wanted those men put away for life and
1137. 39:53everybody who worked the case said that
1138. 39:56that officer prepared for that trial
1139. 39:59like they had never seen anyone prepare
1140. 40:02they wanted to make sure that neither of
1141. 40:04those men saw the light of day again
1142. 40:06because the prosecution wanted to have a
1143. 40:08really strong case it meant that alison
1144. 40:09had to have lots of tests she had loads
1145. 40:11of indignified pictures taken she had
1146. 40:14pubic hair removed all of this while she
1147. 40:16still had open wounds just imagine
1148. 40:18having those tests and having to have
1149. 40:20the psychological steel to manage it
1150. 40:22the investigators who were trying the
1151. 40:24case took it so personally
1152. 40:27so personally they absolutely wanted to
1153. 40:29nail it in fact alison's case was the
1154. 40:31first case in south africa ever to use a
1155. 40:33two-way mirror so that's where the
1156. 40:35perpetrators are on one side and you can
1157. 40:36see them perfectly but they can't see
1158. 40:38you and alison this is like literally
1159. 40:42days really after she's got out of
1160. 40:44hospital
1161. 40:45she actually goes and picks them out
1162. 40:48so she's in this tiny little room and
1163. 40:50she said that that's one of the times
1164. 40:52that she felt total panic because
1165. 40:54suddenly she's face to face with her
1166. 40:56attackers by the way that is now the way
1167. 40:59that they've always carried on picking
1168. 41:01out those particular perpetrators using
1169. 41:03those two-way mirrors but consequently
1170. 41:06she had to deal with the reality of
1171. 41:08suddenly seeing the people who tried to
1172. 41:10murder her and even though it took her a
1173. 41:12few moments she just said six and
1174. 41:14thirteen even though they look different
1175. 41:16she said even though they look different
1176. 41:18six and thirteen and she got him
1177. 41:21absolutely got them when the prosecutor
1178. 41:24who was trying the case looked at the
1179. 41:27information around alison's experience
1180. 41:29she said it was completely distressing
1181. 41:31because she had never dealt with
1182. 41:32somebody who lived she said usually
1183. 41:35people who've gone through these kind of
1184. 41:36situations they deceased
1185. 41:38and suddenly there is this living
1186. 41:39speaking woman who is actually taking
1187. 41:42her perpetrators to court
1188. 41:44whilst franz was awaiting trial he
1189. 41:46actually asked whether he could see a
1190. 41:48pastor because he said that he was full
1191. 41:50of demons and he wanted them exorcised
1192. 41:53so to speak now the pastor who went and
1193. 41:55saw him said that he was apparently
1194. 41:57possessed by incubus and sanchibus but
1195. 42:00apparently successfully exercised him
1196. 42:05i would like video footage of that
1197. 42:07because all i'm going to say is the
1198. 42:08exercises that i have seen on horror
1199. 42:10movies are very clearly demonic
1200. 42:12profession and if i saw that i would be
1201. 42:14convinced but unless his head is
1202. 42:15spinning and there is green stuff being
1203. 42:17projectile vomited and he's speaking in
1204. 42:19latin then i'm not having it i think
1205. 42:22probably he was hoping it would help in
1206. 42:24his case
1207. 42:26also the investigating officer detective
1208. 42:28humper actually refused to handcuff
1209. 42:31either of them when they came up for
1210. 42:32trial because he basically said i'm not
1211. 42:35going to hank with you
1212. 42:36because you can then run and if you run
1213. 42:38i can shoot you literally that's what he
1214. 42:40wanted he felt so angry so incensed that
1215. 42:43these men had carried out such a
1216. 42:45horrific attack that he just wanted to
1217. 42:47give them the option to let loose so he
1218. 42:50could kill him
1219. 42:52when the sentencing occurred the judge
1220. 42:54felt so strongly that he actually wrote
1221. 42:56down how he felt that they should never
1222. 42:58ever be allowed out it's quite unusual
1223. 43:00apparently he's never done it before in
1224. 43:02his career but he wanted to make it so
1225. 43:05clear and so documented that if somebody
1226. 43:07did let them out of prison and they did
1227. 43:09go on to reoffend that he had done
1228. 43:11everything in his power to prevent that
1229. 43:14i think that's really brave also the
1230. 43:17death penalty had stopped being used in
1231. 43:19south africa at this point but he said
1232. 43:21even though that would have been a huge
1233. 43:23decision for him to take if it had still
1234. 43:25been constitutional he would have put
1235. 43:27them to death that's how he felt about
1236. 43:30these two men
1237. 43:32alison talks about the fact that she
1238. 43:34didn't actually find the court case
1239. 43:35traumatic she felt more like she was
1240. 43:37just observing it
1241. 43:39she found it difficult in the media of
1242. 43:41course seeing her story played out in
1243. 43:43the media was very challenging on the
1244. 43:45trial both tiens and franz pleaded
1245. 43:47guilty to eight charges that included
1246. 43:49kidnapping rape and attempted murder and
1247. 43:51they were both found guilty and
1248. 43:53sentenced to life in prison on the 7th
1249. 43:55of august 1995. france was actually
1250. 43:57given three life terms with no parole
1251. 44:00chinese was given a full life term plus
1252. 44:0325 years with no parole
1253. 44:06and
1254. 44:06even though you'd go oh great they'll
1255. 44:08never walk the streets it doesn't always
1256. 44:10work that way because they do get
1257. 44:11opportunities still for parole so alison
1258. 44:14does have to live with fear that these
1259. 44:16guys could get out after attackers have
1260. 44:19been sent to prison that's really where
1261. 44:20alison's journey truly begins you know
1262. 44:23her healing she has to move home with a
1263. 44:25mother this is a woman who had traveled
1264. 44:27the world who'd been fully independent
1265. 44:29and she's suddenly living with a mother
1266. 44:30albeit that her mom's amazing and
1267. 44:32deserves a medal of course she does
1268. 44:34because she's an awesome mum but
1269. 44:36she has to relearn everything she even
1270. 44:39talks about what it was like having her
1271. 44:41first bath and like seeing herself for
1272. 44:43the first time in the mirror
1273. 44:45and seeing the injuries
1274. 44:47and she talks about the fact that that
1275. 44:48really signified and symbolized a really
1276. 44:50deep depression
1277. 44:52she stopped going to work she avoided
1278. 44:54phone calls she said that she started to
1279. 44:55overeat it was all that kind of
1280. 44:57self-loathing
1281. 44:58and she said that everything in her life
1282. 45:00that was bad she'd just say it's my
1283. 45:02attacker's fault but then she realized
1284. 45:04the more that i do that the more power
1285. 45:06i'm giving them
1286. 45:08like she took herself back to that
1287. 45:10moment
1288. 45:11where she felt herself raised from her
1289. 45:13body
1290. 45:14where she felt herself looking down
1291. 45:16saying
1292. 45:17i want to do better i want a better life
1293. 45:19and she realized that that's what she
1294. 45:21needed to do
1295. 45:22she needed to make a choice
1296. 45:24and at that moment in time when she's
1297. 45:26going through this deep depression and
1298. 45:28she's having this kind of epiphany she
1299. 45:30suddenly gets this opportunity to go and
1300. 45:32speak at the rotary club
1301. 45:35to talk about
1302. 45:36her life-changing experience
1303. 45:39and she said she was never more
1304. 45:41terrified than the idea of public
1305. 45:43speaking but she thought i've survived
1306. 45:44this why not
1307. 45:47and that event
1308. 45:49changed everything
1309. 45:52alison bertha has become an
1310. 45:54international survivor
1311. 45:57she's traveled all over the world giving
1312. 46:00speeches helping others heal
1313. 46:02she has the abc she calls it
1314. 46:06attitude belief and choice
1315. 46:09basically what she's saying is you can't
1316. 46:10control what happens in your life
1317. 46:12but you can control what you choose to
1318. 46:14do with it
1319. 46:15and that in itself demonstrates doesn't
1320. 46:18it
1321. 46:19the willingness to reframe the worst
1322. 46:21things that can happen to you in your
1323. 46:23life and make it into something
1324. 46:24productive and positive and hopeful i
1325. 46:26mean she would not have chosen to go
1326. 46:28through that attack of course she
1327. 46:29wouldn't have it was horrific but what
1328. 46:31she took from it what she did with it it
1329. 46:33didn't just change her life it changed
1330. 46:35so many other people's lives to the belt
1331. 46:37like she has influenced so many if you
1332. 46:39see her speak she is inspiring
1333. 46:41she also says that there's only been one
1334. 46:43other time where she fell into a
1335. 46:44depression and that's when she found out
1336. 46:46that her attackers might get parole
1337. 46:48don't worry
1338. 46:49i checked
1339. 46:50they didn't they didn't get parole
1340. 46:53but she said when they actually were
1341. 46:55looking at applying for it or she felt
1342. 46:57with these memories returning that she
1343. 47:00would have to go through reliving it
1344. 47:01because that's what you have to do don't
1345. 47:02you when somebody's going to get parole
1346. 47:04you have to give victim statements and
1347. 47:06impact statements and you have to relive
1348. 47:08it
1349. 47:08and bizarrely
1350. 47:10because obviously we know the internet
1351. 47:12exists hence why i'm doing this but
1352. 47:14bizarrely
1353. 47:15franz's fiance
1354. 47:18her mother so france has a fiancee by
1355. 47:20the way at this point yes you heard me
1356. 47:21right france multiple rapist
1357. 47:25slasher
1358. 47:27psychopath yeah he's managed to bag
1359. 47:29himself a fiance
1360. 47:31that's so enamored with friends because
1361. 47:32you would i mean if i was looking for a
1362. 47:34son-in-law i definitely want a raper
1363. 47:36ripper for a son-in-law but so enamored
1364. 47:39is the family that this mother
1365. 47:42writes to alison and is like oh please
1366. 47:44help release him
1367. 47:46i kid you not that actually happened
1368. 47:48please help her please release him
1369. 47:50alison
1370. 47:51don't be a [ __ ]
1371. 47:52release the person who would have
1372. 47:53murdered you
1373. 47:56that actually legitimately happened and
1374. 48:00so alison understandably then lets the
1375. 48:02authorities know what the hell is
1376. 48:03happening no one should have any contact
1377. 48:05with me and this should not be happening
1378. 48:07how is this woman aware of who i am
1379. 48:09where i am etc how are they having
1380. 48:11contact in prison and so on and so forth
1381. 48:14and she actually wrote to the
1382. 48:15authorities and said whatever you do
1383. 48:16keep this communication between me and
1384. 48:19you confidential so that's exactly what
1385. 48:21they did no they didn't they gave him a
1386. 48:23copy
1387. 48:26they gave friends a copy
1388. 48:30of alison's
1389. 48:31response
1390. 48:34and you know what he did he was like
1391. 48:36oh i should feel really ashamed of that
1392. 48:38shouldn't i no that's not what he did he
1393. 48:39said actually what i want is a profit
1394. 48:42share
1395. 48:43of all of your speaking engagements
1396. 48:45because at the end of the day if i
1397. 48:47hadn't done what i did to you you
1398. 48:49wouldn't have created this life view
1399. 48:52i think when we go through the
1400. 48:53psychopathy checklist we can just add
1401. 48:55narcissism to it can't we there we go
1402. 48:58complete narcissism i nearly murdered
1403. 49:00you but because you've made a life for
1404. 49:02yourself having healed and been hugely
1405. 49:04resilient the opposite of what i am i
1406. 49:06now require you to share your profits
1407. 49:08with me
1408. 49:09you will be surprised to realize that
1409. 49:10that didn't happen apparently that
1410. 49:13wasn't legally
1411. 49:14sound the final thing that i want to
1412. 49:16talk about before i finish this what i
1413. 49:19hope to have been an inspiring hopeful
1414. 49:21story for a change is that alison in
1415. 49:23spite of those horrific injuries to her
1416. 49:25womb in spite of them at trying to steal
1417. 49:27her opportunity to have children they
1418. 49:29failed because alison managed to have
1419. 49:32two children
1420. 49:33and guess what
1421. 49:35the next bit that i tell you if you
1422. 49:37don't cry you will realize that you have
1423. 49:40no soul by the way so i'm just gonna let
1424. 49:42you know that her second child's birth
1425. 49:45was assisted by the man who saved her
1426. 49:46life that 20 year old vet student whose
1427. 49:50life changed as equally as hers the
1428. 49:53night that he found her on that road
1429. 49:56makes me want to cry every time
1430. 49:58i think about that makes me want to cry
1431. 50:00but can you imagine the fact that he was
1432. 50:02there for a second child's birth
1433. 50:04so in 2015 by the way they did become
1434. 50:06eligible for parole as i said but they
1435. 50:09had it refused
1436. 50:10as a side note i also think it's
1437. 50:11important to recognize that franz's
1438. 50:13father killed himself two years after
1439. 50:15they were sentenced so clearly his
1440. 50:17father had a huge conscience about what
1441. 50:19his son did and it also is a stark
1442. 50:22reminder that perpetrators belong to
1443. 50:24families and sometimes those families
1444. 50:27are complete innocent bystanders in the
1445. 50:30car crash of the child's life that
1446. 50:32unfolds and in this case it seems very
1447. 50:34fitting where franz is concerned
1448. 50:37i hope you've got something positive out
1449. 50:39of today's story like i said i'm going
1450. 50:41to put the link in for the documentary
1451. 50:44because it is really inspiring it's
1452. 50:47beautiful to watch you will cry several
1453. 50:49times like i did even talking about it
1454. 50:51makes me want to cry i hope there's
1455. 50:53something that you can take from today's
1456. 50:54story it's that even in the bleakest of
1457. 50:57moments there is always light that even
1458. 51:00when the most tragic of experiences
1459. 51:03unfold and we feel like a complete
1460. 51:05victim
1461. 51:06there is still an opportunity to decide
1462. 51:08that instead we are a survivor and
1463. 51:10that isn't an easy journey christ i
1464. 51:13completely know it isn't i think that
1465. 51:15i'm definitely on a journey to trying to
1466. 51:18be some kind of survivor and it's
1467. 51:20definitely not linear and it's certainly
1468. 51:21not simple but when you listen to
1469. 51:23stories like alison's it's just a nice
1470. 51:26gentle reminder that even when you think
1471. 51:28you want to give up there really is
1472. 51:30reason to keep going and it's a thank
1473. 51:33you and a dedication to an incredible
1474. 51:35woman who is mind-blowingly powerful
1475. 51:38incredibly strong unbelievably humble
1476. 51:40and i think for every single one of us
1477. 51:42watching this tonight we will all agree
1478. 51:44that her story is one that we'll take
1479. 51:46with us for the rest of our lives
1480. 51:48certainly i will thank you for watching
1481. 51:50i think it's been quite a long one and
1482. 51:53like i said please watch the documentary
1483. 51:55it's absolutely
1484. 51:56beautiful and if you've enjoyed
1485. 51:58listening please give me a comment give
1486. 52:00me a like even better give me a
1487. 52:02subscribe and i'll see you again very
1488. 52:04very soon i did this without crying a
1489. 52:07lot there is a few tears but i had to
1490. 52:09stop and start again
1491. 52:11hence why my makeup doesn't look as good
1492. 52:13sorry
1493. 52:15[Music]
1494. 52:55you