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The Psychopaths - Tommy Lynn Sells & Diane Downs In Their Own Disturbing Words — Transcript

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  1. 0:00Just before we get into this video, just
  2. 0:01want to say that there are parts in
  3. 0:04these interviews that are pretty
  4. 0:06graphic. And I'd just like to warn you
  5. 0:10just before you get too far into it. The
  6. 0:12two people that I want to look at
  7. 0:14tonight is Tommy Lyn Cells and Diane DS.
  8. 0:19Both of them murderers. One a serial
  9. 0:22killer, the other
  10. 0:25murdered her own children. Well,
  11. 0:28attempted. We'll get into that in a
  12. 0:30minute. They're not aware in these
  13. 0:31interviews of how they sound or the
  14. 0:34things that they're saying are so
  15. 0:36ludicrous and that's the most
  16. 0:38frightening thing. Now, it's fair to say
  17. 0:41that look at tonight is Tommy Lyn Cells
  18. 0:44did have a very bad, cruel, neglected
  19. 0:49upbringing, not only from getting into
  20. 0:52his teens, but well before even as a
  21. 0:55toddler, he was passed about. By the
  22. 0:57time he was 7 years old, he was drinking
  23. 0:59alcohol.
  24. 1:01Uh not long after this, he was also
  25. 1:05um he was hanging out with a fellow
  26. 1:07called Willie Clark who was doing things
  27. 1:11to him that should not have been
  28. 1:13happening. Um and his mother did not
  29. 1:16really put a stop to this very much. I
  30. 1:18think it appears that she may have had
  31. 1:21an inkling about this and we don't know
  32. 1:23whe what the reason for this was why she
  33. 1:26didn't really put a stop to it. However,
  34. 1:28she didn't. But he was actually passed
  35. 1:32to an aunt, back from his aunt, back to
  36. 1:35his mother, then to his grandmother,
  37. 1:37back to his mother, then his mother went
  38. 1:40off and left him. She took the other
  39. 1:42kids with her and left him because he
  40. 1:45was constantly getting in trouble. From
  41. 1:46the age of seven, he was drinking
  42. 1:49alcohol. So he was a handful. However,
  43. 1:53he was neglected and he was left. So by
  44. 1:56the time Tommy was 10, he was on
  45. 1:58narcotics. His mother had abandoned him
  46. 2:01well and truly by this time, took the
  47. 2:03other four children and he was staying
  48. 2:05with his grandmother. He was also on the
  49. 2:07streets as well sometimes. He was just
  50. 2:09coming and going and he started to live
  51. 2:12a nomadic lifestyle. You find this is
  52. 2:15pretty common with serial killers
  53. 2:16actually. Um, I mean, Tommy Lynn cells,
  54. 2:21he went uh Missouri,
  55. 2:25uh, Atlanta, New York, Arizona, Florida,
  56. 2:30he went all over. That was the same with
  57. 2:32um, Samuel Little, if you remember, he
  58. 2:36had a similar upbringing and he lived a
  59. 2:40nomadic lifestyle. He and he traveled
  60. 2:43from state to state. So, whilst Al was
  61. 2:45incarcerated, he was interviewed. I must
  62. 2:48warn you that there's parts of this
  63. 2:50interview that are pretty graphic. Um,
  64. 2:56if I do get if it does get demonetized
  65. 2:59and it disappears, this um I am going to
  66. 3:03put it on my Patreon. Um, but
  67. 3:07yeah, brace yourself. where I sat down
  68. 3:09with a 45year-old man who could arguably
  69. 3:13have one of the baddest brains in
  70. 3:15America.
  71. 3:16The first time I did a shot of dope, it
  72. 3:19was the best feeling I ever had in my
  73. 3:21life. And the first time I killed
  74. 3:24somebody, it was such a rush.
  75. 3:28And it was just like that shot.
  76. 3:31Every time I did it,
  77. 3:35it was that rush again. and I started
  78. 3:38chasing that high.
  79. 3:40Tommy Lin Cells was once a little boy
  80. 3:42growing up in St. Louis, but around the
  81. 3:44age of 14, he says he became addicted to
  82. 3:48killing. How many people have you
  83. 3:50killed?
  84. 3:52Lord, I don't know.
  85. 3:56I I don't know.
  86. 3:5710?
  87. 3:59Yeah.
  88. 4:0020?
  89. 4:01Probably.
  90. 4:0230.
  91. 4:03It's up there.
  92. 4:0450. But see you, I'm not Billy the kid
  93. 4:09and making notches on on my my holster.
  94. 4:13So
  95. 4:15I know it's been a lot. I am hatred.
  96. 4:17When you look at me, you look at hate.
  97. 4:19When I look at you, I look at hate.
  98. 4:21When you look at me, you know what hate
  99. 4:23is. I don't know what love is. Two words
  100. 4:26I don't like to use is love and sorry
  101. 4:29because I'm about hate. Vicious cycle. I
  102. 4:32couldn't help but be grateful for the
  103. 4:34glass between us.
  104. 4:36I don't have no feelings
  105. 4:39no more. No emotion, no.
  106. 4:42I like to watch the eyes fade, the pupil
  107. 4:46fade.
  108. 4:47What do you like about that?
  109. 4:49It It's just like setting their soul
  110. 4:52free.
  111. 4:53What are you thinking and feeling when
  112. 4:57you kill someone?
  113. 4:58It's just like that drug. I'm after that
  114. 5:01drug again. I I don't have a on and off
  115. 5:04switch. I'm just after that drug. I'm
  116. 5:08after that feeling.
  117. 5:10I wonder if you could just tell me what
  118. 5:12happened as you were killing her. Did
  119. 5:14she Did she give birth to a baby?
  120. 5:20You know, you're pushing your luck.
  121. 5:22I'm sorry.
  122. 5:23Let's Let's not get Let's not get into
  123. 5:26blood and guts because because that's
  124. 5:28what you're trying to get into. You also
  125. 5:30killed children.
  126. 5:33Some got killed. Yes.
  127. 5:35Now, why would that happen?
  128. 5:37I didn't want them to live through the
  129. 5:39pain I live through.
  130. 5:41The young girl named Crystal,
  131. 5:45she came to her fate by having a
  132. 5:48sleepover at her friends
  133. 5:50um where Tommy cells was was staying.
  134. 5:54She was so brave, that little girl, and
  135. 5:56so smart. She actually pretended that
  136. 6:00she was dead when he did what he did to
  137. 6:03her. Um, and with that, she actually ran
  138. 6:08ran and ran in that state to her
  139. 6:11neighbors and wrote down I'll put the
  140. 6:14letter up. Actually wrote down what had
  141. 6:17happened. It was because of that little
  142. 6:19girl's bravery, Crystal's bravery, that
  143. 6:21Tommy Linels was incarcerated. without
  144. 6:25her, he'd have carried on. But because
  145. 6:29she she acted like she was dead and then
  146. 6:31she ran and ran and ran and then wrote
  147. 6:33down everything,
  148. 6:36then that's how they got it.
  149. 6:38After what I had seen him do, he had no
  150. 6:40emotion in his eyes.
  151. 6:53That emptiness evident as we spoke.
  152. 6:56So, what if I called you something that
  153. 6:58you didn't like and you'd think about
  154. 7:00killing me?
  155. 7:02Well, if we was in a fight and
  156. 7:07you know, get your head down in the
  157. 7:09concrete, then, you know, so be it. But
  158. 7:13what happens when my head goes down to
  159. 7:14the concrete?
  160. 7:15Well, what do you think happened? It
  161. 7:17cracks like a coconut.
  162. 7:21And then what happens?
  163. 7:24You die.
  164. 7:26But for some of the families of his
  165. 7:28victims, ending that brain function was
  166. 7:30what was important. Cells was on death
  167. 7:33row for more than 13 years. The most
  168. 7:35recent delay over the exact makeup of
  169. 7:38the drug cocktail that would be used to
  170. 7:40kill him. Cells said the pain of the
  171. 7:43death penalty pad in comparison to his
  172. 7:47life. I suffer more here than I'll ever
  173. 7:51suffer in that grave.
  174. 7:56I have to live with it every day. Now,
  175. 8:00when they kill me, at least I'll be free
  176. 8:03then.
  177. 8:04Last night, Tommy Linell's final appeal
  178. 8:07was rejected. He was executed at 6:27
  179. 8:10p.m.
  180. 8:11When asked if he wanted to make a last
  181. 8:13statement, uh, he just simply answered
  182. 8:15no. For the family of Katie Harris, it
  183. 8:18was long overdue.
  184. 8:19Now it's a day of
  185. 8:21closure and celebration that justice has
  186. 8:24been served.
  187. 8:24So yes, Cells did receive the death
  188. 8:26sentence. What I don't understand with
  189. 8:27this is that he did say, you heard it in
  190. 8:30that interview that he did say that um
  191. 8:33you know if that happened then he'd be
  192. 8:36away from all this and um more or less
  193. 8:40he'd rest in peace and he wouldn't have
  194. 8:42to wake up uh thinking about it every
  195. 8:45day. I don't think for one minute he
  196. 8:47woke up thinking about it every day
  197. 8:49basically because 10 minutes before he
  198. 8:51was laughing about what he did and what
  199. 8:54he can do and what he's capable of his
  200. 8:55capabilities in quite a lot of these
  201. 8:58crimes. Um whether that was with
  202. 9:03without going into too too much detail
  203. 9:05no matter who that was to he was very
  204. 9:09clear on what he's capable of doing. So,
  205. 9:13um I don't believe for a minute that he
  206. 9:16that that was true that he felt that at
  207. 9:18least he would be out of it and have to
  208. 9:20think about it every day because the
  209. 9:22other thing is he'd also put in an
  210. 9:24appeal. So, if that was the case, why
  211. 9:26put in an appeal?
  212. 9:28Um and he got the easy way out in a lot
  213. 9:31of respect because he literally um got
  214. 9:34an injection and went to sleep. more or
  215. 9:36less said that within a few minutes he
  216. 9:38was snoring and 13 minutes later um he
  217. 9:42was pronounced dead. So he got off
  218. 9:45lightly in comparison to what a lot of
  219. 9:49his victims went through. Anyway, let's
  220. 9:52move on to the next one. If I can just
  221. 9:54jump in here and just ask that um only
  222. 9:5850% of people that watch the videos
  223. 10:00actually press the like button. Um, if
  224. 10:03you could just change that for me and
  225. 10:05just hit that tiger like button down
  226. 10:07there, take you one second, I really do
  227. 10:10appreciate it because it will help the
  228. 10:11channel out. Thank you. I'm going to let
  229. 10:13Diane DS describe everything that she
  230. 10:16did with her children, her family, but
  231. 10:18it was basically for her to be with
  232. 10:21another man
  233. 10:23rather than a husband. So, this was for
  234. 10:26love. the blood that just kept gushing
  235. 10:28out of her mouth and and
  236. 10:30she tried to wipe her whole family out
  237. 10:32because a fellow that that she was
  238. 10:34seeing didn't want a ready-made family.
  239. 10:38Elizabeth Diane Downs says the family
  240. 10:40was on a sightseeing trip when a
  241. 10:42shaggyhaired stranger flagged her down
  242. 10:44and demanded her car. She refused and
  243. 10:47the asalant shot Downs and her children
  244. 10:49at close range with a 22 caliber gun.
  245. 10:529-year-old Christy was shot first
  246. 10:54through the hand into the chest as she
  247. 10:56tried to protect herself. 3-year-old
  248. 10:59Danny was shot in the back and is now
  249. 11:01paralyzed from the waist down.
  250. 11:037-year-old Cheryl was shot twice from
  251. 11:05behind and died on the way to the
  252. 11:07hospital. The gun was never found and
  253. 11:09neither was the shaggyhaired stranger.
  254. 11:11Police started suspecting DS as the
  255. 11:13culprit. The prosecution claims her
  256. 11:16obsessive love for an ex-boyfriend in
  257. 11:18Arizona was her motive. The state says
  258. 11:21Downs felt her children were getting in
  259. 11:23the way and preventing a romantic
  260. 11:25relationship with that former boyfriend.
  261. 11:27I have been through that night so many
  262. 11:29times. I've even been through it with my
  263. 11:31psychologist. It's very hard. It's very
  264. 11:33tearful. There are a lot of memories
  265. 11:35that
  266. 11:37um
  267. 11:39I don't know a lot of people when
  268. 11:42something traumatic happens to them,
  269. 11:43they suppress it immediately. I kept
  270. 11:47those memories because I knew that I was
  271. 11:49the only person that was going to be
  272. 11:51able to tell them what happened when we
  273. 11:52got to the hospital. And when I got
  274. 11:54there, the first thing I said was call
  275. 11:56the doctors. Second thing was the blood
  276. 11:58type. Third thing was call the cops
  277. 12:00because they've got to they've got to
  278. 12:01find him. And so I had to remember as
  279. 12:05much as I could remember. The other
  280. 12:06thing that brought it to light that
  281. 12:08Diane was involved in this was because
  282. 12:10when she was going to the hospital to
  283. 12:12see her children, um, one of one of the
  284. 12:15the little girls readings on the on the
  285. 12:18monitors was going off the chart.
  286. 12:20They're experienced and they would see
  287. 12:22the opposite effect. When a child hears
  288. 12:24a parent, a mom or a father, everything
  289. 12:27settles down and they become more
  290. 12:29relaxed. But in this case, everything
  291. 12:32was going off the RTER scale for them.
  292. 12:34And that is what highlighted it even
  293. 12:36more. Obviously, her story didn't add up
  294. 12:39anyway, but they had to keep her away
  295. 12:42from them children. They knew that once
  296. 12:44that had started happening, they just
  297. 12:46knew that they couldn't let her near the
  298. 12:47kids.
  299. 12:48When this man shot my daughter, my first
  300. 12:50reaction was to snap back to my
  301. 12:52childhood, to the pain that had happened
  302. 12:55to me back then, my marriage, my
  303. 12:58entrapment by society. This man was
  304. 13:00bigger than me. He was stronger than me.
  305. 13:01He had more power because he had a gun.
  306. 13:04He was in control and I was not. And I
  307. 13:07had there was nothing I could do. And I
  308. 13:09stood there and I looked at Christy
  309. 13:10reaching and the blood that just kept
  310. 13:14gushing out of her mouth and and I what
  311. 13:18do you do?
  312. 13:19You just stand there trapped and then
  313. 13:23and then the gun kept firing and firing
  314. 13:25and firing and it it it made it was
  315. 13:27monotonous. It just kept going. It was
  316. 13:30like a slow motion picture.
  317. 13:33And then he swung around towards me and
  318. 13:36I and this is something that I did not
  319. 13:38recall when I was explaining to the cops
  320. 13:41because there it was it wasn't like a
  321. 13:43movie when I was telling them. I was
  322. 13:44telling them what happened the important
  323. 13:46details. He shot my kids. I pushed him.
  324. 13:47I ran and when he swung around, he was
  325. 13:51pointing. When he swung around, it hit
  326. 13:53the tips of my fingers. The gun hit the
  327. 13:55tips of my fingers and that snapped me
  328. 13:56and I went, "Wait a minute. I'm not
  329. 13:59trapped by society. I don't care if he
  330. 14:01is bigger. If I stand here and I say,
  331. 14:05"Yeah, here. Take the keys. I mean,
  332. 14:07there's nothing I can do. You win
  333. 14:08because you have the gun. My kids are
  334. 14:10gonna die." And I'm not going to let my
  335. 14:13kids die. And so instead of giving him
  336. 14:15the keys, I fainted throwing the keys.
  337. 14:19Everybody says, "You sure were lucky."
  338. 14:21Well, I don't feel very lucky. I
  339. 14:23couldn't tie my damn shoes for about two
  340. 14:25months. It is very painful. It is still
  341. 14:27painful. I have a steel plate in my arm.
  342. 14:29I will for a year and a half. the the
  343. 14:32scar is going to be there forever. I'm
  344. 14:34going to remember that night for the
  345. 14:35rest of my life whether I want to or
  346. 14:36not. I don't think I was very lucky. I
  347. 14:39think my kids were lucky. If I had been
  348. 14:41shot the way they were, we all would
  349. 14:43have died except maybe Danny. What do I
  350. 14:45see most is blood coming out of
  351. 14:47Christiey's mouth because that's what I
  352. 14:49see. Um I I can't see Danny and I can't
  353. 14:53see Sher. Sherry was laying on the floor
  354. 14:56and driving to the hospital. I don't
  355. 14:59know the sounds that were made at the
  356. 15:00initial shooting because I was on the
  357. 15:02outside and all I could hear.
  358. 15:05I c I can't hear anything but gunshots
  359. 15:08and I can I can see things, you know. I
  360. 15:11that's it. Driving to the hospital, I
  361. 15:13can smell blood. I can not hear Cheryl.
  362. 15:17Cheryl's not making a sound. Danny is
  363. 15:20just crying real real soft. So So that
  364. 15:22sound stays in my mind. And the fact
  365. 15:24that Christiey's choking and just and
  366. 15:26then I'm yelling at her and screaming at
  367. 15:28her to to roll over on her face because
  368. 15:32I was trying to keep her from choking on
  369. 15:34her blood and it just didn't dawn on me
  370. 15:36that she was shot in the chest and that
  371. 15:37the blood was coming from her chest, not
  372. 15:39going down into her chest. Um, to be
  373. 15:42honest, it made me a better person
  374. 15:44because I know all the mistakes. I know
  375. 15:45not what not to do to my kids. I know
  376. 15:48what to avoid. Uh, one thing is to not
  377. 15:50be married.
  378. 15:52And that may seem very harsh, but I
  379. 15:55honestly don't believe that children
  380. 15:57need fathers. And they're nice to have
  381. 16:00around sometimes when they can do things
  382. 16:03to help you. But when they are mentally
  383. 16:05abusive, when they are harsh, and the
  384. 16:08way my ex-husband was, they're more a
  385. 16:10deterrent to the children than a help.
  386. 16:12And unless you can find a good father,
  387. 16:15there is no need for them. Diane says
  388. 16:18her marriage with Steve DS deteriorated
  389. 16:20when friction arose over an unexpected
  390. 16:23pregnancy.
  391. 16:24Okay. After I had Christy and after I
  392. 16:26had Cheryl,
  393. 16:28Steve had a vasectomy.
  394. 16:30It didn't work. And he never went back
  395. 16:33to get checked to see if it worked. He
  396. 16:35just figured doctors know what they're
  397. 16:37doing. It must have worked. So after I
  398. 16:40think it's uh you're supposed to wait 10
  399. 16:43weeks, be on some kind of contraceptive
  400. 16:45for 10 weeks and then you're safe. And
  401. 16:46you check,
  402. 16:47but you're supposed to check. Yeah. He
  403. 16:49never went back because he was just too
  404. 16:50busy and the doctor probably knew what
  405. 16:52he was doing. Well, I got pregnant and I
  406. 16:54knew that I wasn't messing around with
  407. 16:55anybody and that if I was pregnant
  408. 16:58because I know what being pregnant feels
  409. 17:00like. I know how I got that way and I
  410. 17:02told him about it and he gave me heck.
  411. 17:05Oh,
  412. 17:06he was Danny or is Danny not?
  413. 17:08That was the child that I aborted. Steve
  414. 17:10put me through hell with that one and I
  415. 17:12had an abortion. Cheryl was collicky.
  416. 17:14Steve was bitching. We f I made Steve go
  417. 17:17back to the doctor or shut up. Don't
  418. 17:18accuse me until you know. The doctor
  419. 17:20said, "Yeah, you are fertile. I guess I
  420. 17:22goofed up. Come on in and we'll go ahead
  421. 17:24and do it again." Well, I was pregnant.
  422. 17:26So, I was 20 years old, had two kids. I
  423. 17:29was collicky. My husband was a bastard.
  424. 17:32I'm sorry. And I had an abortion. And I
  425. 17:36felt so horrible about it that I had
  426. 17:39killed somebody like that. I didn't kill
  427. 17:42it myself, but I hired a doctor to do
  428. 17:44it. Yeah.
  429. 17:46And so I asked my husband to have his
  430. 17:48vasctomy changed, reversed. He refused.
  431. 17:51I asked him for a year. He kept saying
  432. 17:53no. I said fine, I will find a suitable
  433. 17:56donor. I watched people I worked with. I
  434. 17:59picked somebody that was attractive,
  435. 18:00that was healthy, that was not abusive
  436. 18:02of drugs and alcohol and such. Was
  437. 18:05strong, you know, bone structure, the
  438. 18:07whole bit. A good specimen. It was
  439. 18:09really clinical. It was really terrible.
  440. 18:11And I seduced him. and I know my cycle.
  441. 18:15And it only took once and I got
  442. 18:17pregnant. I went home and about a week
  443. 18:19later I told Steve I was pregnant. And
  444. 18:21he goes, "How do you know?" And I says,
  445. 18:22"Well, I know my cycle. I know I'm
  446. 18:24pregnant." And he was really upset. For
  447. 18:26that whole nine months, he put me
  448. 18:27through hell every day, every night. It
  449. 18:30was terrible. Just railed on me
  450. 18:32constantly. Told me to get an abortion,
  451. 18:35the whole bit. And then after the baby
  452. 18:37was born, he told me, "If you have a
  453. 18:40girl baby, I might let you stay around,
  454. 18:43but if you have a boy, I'm kicking you
  455. 18:45both out on your butts, and you're going
  456. 18:47to take those two with you also, cuz how
  457. 18:49do I know they're mine?" That kind of
  458. 18:51attitude. Well, I lived with that for
  459. 18:53nine months. When Danny was born, Steve,
  460. 18:56cuz Okay, the reason I had to be a girl
  461. 18:58was because Christy was supposed to be a
  462. 19:00boy. I was so cruel and mean. I had a
  463. 19:02girl and Steve just couldn't stand it.
  464. 19:04Got one more chance, Diane. Cheryl
  465. 19:06better be a boy. Well, Cheryl turned out
  466. 19:08being a girl. He came into the recovery
  467. 19:10room. He goes, "Well, where is he?" I
  468. 19:12said, "He's a she." He says, "How could
  469. 19:13you do that? You know, we're not having
  470. 19:15any more kids." Crazy. Flipped out. So,
  471. 19:19if I was going to have another one, I
  472. 19:20better darn sure have a girl. Well, when
  473. 19:22Danny was born, he was a boy. And my
  474. 19:25first thought was, I'm dead. He's dead.
  475. 19:28What's he going to do to that baby? And
  476. 19:29then I didn't care. I mean, that was my
  477. 19:32baby. that was supposedly the baby that
  478. 19:34was going to replace the one that I had
  479. 19:35aborted. And as soon as I looked at
  480. 19:37Danny, I said, "You can't. That's that's
  481. 19:40a boy baby. That's" and I just knew that
  482. 19:42the baby I'd aborted was a girl. I named
  483. 19:43her Carrie and everything. There's just
  484. 19:45a different human being altogether. You
  485. 19:47know,
  486. 19:48a whole lot of emotion on that delivery
  487. 19:50table. And Steve standing there right
  488. 19:51beside me looking at me like, "You
  489. 19:53witch, how could you do this? You're
  490. 19:56out." You know, and Dr. George hand
  491. 19:58handed Daniel to Steve. And from that
  492. 20:01point on, Steve spent the rest of the
  493. 20:03the past four years trying to prove to
  494. 20:06people that he was not biased and not
  495. 20:09prejudice, thereby becoming bias and
  496. 20:11prejudice. DS knew a lengthy murder
  497. 20:14trial would make her private life public
  498. 20:16territory. She's very frank about being
  499. 20:19a surrogate mother. She ran a surrogate
  500. 20:21program in Arizona and gave birth to
  501. 20:24another couple's child.
  502. 20:26Diane lost visitation rights to her own
  503. 20:28two surviving children after the murder.
  504. 20:30She was found guilty of contempt of
  505. 20:32court for seeing them in a secret visit
  506. 20:34set up by her ex-husband Steve. Police
  507. 20:37found out about the visit in a letter DS
  508. 20:39wrote to her former boyfriend, Robert
  509. 20:41Nicobacher, known as Nick, in Arizona.
  510. 20:44You fought for Steve to get custody of
  511. 20:46the kids and then you wrote a letter to
  512. 20:47your former boyfriend telling him that
  513. 20:49Steve was an unfit father for your
  514. 20:51children. A lot of people won't
  515. 20:53understand that, Diane. But Steve is
  516. 20:55different than most people. He can
  517. 20:59Steve pointed an empty gun at my head at
  518. 21:01one time and pulled the trigger. Do you
  519. 21:03know why? He wanted me to marry him.
  520. 21:06That is crazy.
  521. 21:09CSD, I believe, is very careful in
  522. 21:12picking out the people that care for a
  523. 21:13child that they think has been abused.
  524. 21:15And right now, they believe that Christy
  525. 21:17has been one of the most abused children
  526. 21:19in the world. Granted, she was shot, but
  527. 21:21before that, she was never abused. But
  528. 21:24they believe that that's probably true.
  529. 21:26And so they're going to put Christy in a
  530. 21:27very very good place. And so I know that
  531. 21:29Christiey's in a good home.
  532. 21:32And so I just decided that it was better
  533. 21:33that Christy be in a safe in a sta a
  534. 21:37mentally stable environment rather than
  535. 21:40to be with Steve and even cry in front
  536. 21:43of my family. And I can go to my room
  537. 21:45and I can write in this diary, this
  538. 21:48record book
  539. 21:50some of my fears and and it's really
  540. 21:52even sketchy. I don't write in a lot of
  541. 21:54detail. There are days when I'm
  542. 21:55overwhelmed with with emotion and the
  543. 21:58book will be rather emotional, but but
  544. 21:59very few days, it's just sitting in
  545. 22:01front of the book and and writing down
  546. 22:04little sentences and then being able to
  547. 22:05cry over it and and feel emotionally
  548. 22:08everything that that I don't physically
  549. 22:10write down. And it's a very good
  550. 22:12release. It's uh it's therapy in a way.
  551. 22:15It's also a way of keeping a record
  552. 22:17because in the beginning, so many things
  553. 22:18were said to me that were denied later.
  554. 22:22Oh, it's so sad.
  555. 22:23Have you ever thought of the fact that
  556. 22:25you're writing these things could be
  557. 22:27used against you or in your favor at any
  558. 22:30future time?
  559. 22:31No, I didn't because I never thought the
  560. 22:33book would be made public. I got
  561. 22:34pregnant because I miss Christy and I
  562. 22:37miss Danny and I miss Cheryl so much.
  563. 22:39I'm never going to see Cheryl on Earth
  564. 22:41again. And I just You can't replace
  565. 22:45children, but you can replace the effect
  566. 22:47that they give you. And they give me
  567. 22:49love. They give me satisfaction. They
  568. 22:51give me stability. They give me a reason
  569. 22:52to live and a reason to be happy and and
  570. 22:55that's gone. They took it from me. But
  571. 22:58children are so easy to conceive.
  572. 23:01Obviously, everyone is curious who the
  573. 23:03father is. And I know you probably don't
  574. 23:05want to talk about that. Does the father
  575. 23:06know who he is?
  576. 23:07Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's why I won't
  577. 23:09talk about it because he feels as
  578. 23:10privately about this child as I do.
  579. 23:13What would you do given this current
  580. 23:15situation if they said they took if they
  581. 23:18took away your kids and then they went
  582. 23:20one step further and said, "We think
  583. 23:22you're an unfit mother.
  584. 23:23We're going to take away this one." I
  585. 23:24don't know how they're going to do it.
  586. 23:27One of the I I'd like to see them try to
  587. 23:29take this baby from me. And
  588. 23:32how how could they do it? They're going
  589. 23:34to have to wait a long time to do it.
  590. 23:36Hopefully, this thing will be cleared up
  591. 23:37by then. I don't know that they could do
  592. 23:40this. take it away after it's born. I
  593. 23:43don't know. I've never even talked to my
  594. 23:45attorney about it because it seems so,
  595. 23:48let's put it the way the DA says. It's
  596. 23:49laughable.
  597. 23:51I die every day when I go to bed. I cry
  598. 23:53at night. Even now, I still cry. I dream
  599. 23:56about Cheryl. I dream about Cheryl
  600. 23:58reaching out with me with her arms and
  601. 23:59always giving me a kiss and saying, "I
  602. 24:02love you. I miss you. Where have you
  603. 24:03been?" It's almost as if she really is
  604. 24:04coming back and saying, "How come you're
  605. 24:08not here with me?"
  606. 24:10One time, it was right after Christy
  607. 24:12went to the foster home. I dreamed that
  608. 24:14Cheryl came to me. Well, Christy came to
  609. 24:15me and I said, "Christy, how did you
  610. 24:17find me?" And she said, "Cheryl brought
  611. 24:19me." And Cheryl came walking out of the
  612. 24:21shadows and there was blood on her shirt
  613. 24:23and I just Yeah, it was really spooky.
  614. 24:25And I said, "Cheryl, I thought you were
  615. 24:28dead." And she goes, "No, I was faking
  616. 24:29it. I knew they were going to take
  617. 24:30Christy away and she wouldn't be able to
  618. 24:31find you, so I brought you." And then
  619. 24:33Cheryl showed us how to sneak Danny out
  620. 24:34of the hospital and everything. It was
  621. 24:36it was a wonderful dream. It was
  622. 24:38wonderful cuz we were we were the four
  623. 24:39musketeers and we were together again.
  624. 24:41And and
  625. 24:42DS also says the children were shot
  626. 24:44inside the car, but police reports claim
  627. 24:47high velocity blood spatters were found
  628. 24:49on the outside of the car, on the
  629. 24:51passenger side.
  630. 24:52The DA has come up with this idea that
  631. 24:55somebody was shot on the outside of the
  632. 24:56car. On the passenger side of the car. I
  633. 24:59was on the driver's side of the car when
  634. 25:01I was shot. And that's why it was so I'm
  635. 25:04going it was planted and and it just
  636. 25:07seemed I mean it can't be real because
  637. 25:09they talk about blood spatter and when
  638. 25:11they say spatter I think something being
  639. 25:13shot out like the blood spatter in the
  640. 25:16car you know it was so uniform it was so
  641. 25:19regular same size droplets spread evenly
  642. 25:21in a pattern and when they say spatter
  643. 25:24that's what I thought of and we saw
  644. 25:26pictures of this so-called spatter
  645. 25:30it's drops When they took the kids, they
  646. 25:33took Chris and Sher out of the driver's
  647. 25:35side of the car
  648. 25:36and it's blood droplets. It's when they
  649. 25:38picked the kids up and carried them over
  650. 25:40the threshold, there is blood dripping
  651. 25:42down the side of the car. But at night,
  652. 25:44when I close my eyes, I can see Christy
  653. 25:46reaching her hand out to me while I'm
  654. 25:47driving and the blood just keep coming
  655. 25:50out of her mouth. And that maybe it'll
  656. 25:53fade too with time, but I I don't think
  657. 25:55so. That haunts me the most.
  658. 26:02Do you know I actually remember the
  659. 26:04dying down story and I remember thinking
  660. 26:06how weird it was cuz I just had my son
  661. 26:08around this time when this was
  662. 26:10happening. And um
  663. 26:13I also remember that when Diane DS was
  664. 26:16incarcerated, she did actually escape at
  665. 26:19one stage. Um I think it was a barbed
  666. 26:22wire 8ft barbed wire wall which I don't
  667. 26:25think is too out the too out the
  668. 26:28question to get over but she did she got
  669. 26:30over it and yeah she escaped. She was
  670. 26:33obviously captured again and she was
  671. 26:35given an extra 5 years for that. Her
  672. 26:39story also um they made a film about her
  673. 26:42her life story Farah Forset I'm just
  674. 26:46trying to think what it was called.
  675. 26:49um
  676. 26:51and also a book which um was documented.
  677. 26:54I'll try and find that. If I find it,
  678. 26:57I'll put it in the links below.
  679. 27:01So, she's where she needs to be as well.
  680. 27:04Okay. All right then. So, that's it for
  681. 27:07tonight. Um
  682. 27:10if you've enjoyed the channel tonight
  683. 27:12and you found it interesting, don't
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