The Pam Hupp story Part II: Chris Hayes investigates — Transcript

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1. 0:00[Music]
2. 0:03it appears that she was searching for a
3. 0:07[Music]
4. 0:09patsy that could possibly take some heat
5. 0:13off her that guy could have been me
6. 0:15long before Lewis Gump and burgers death
7. 0:17there was the knife attack that killed
8. 0:19Huff's friend Betsy who was dying of
9. 0:21cancer but why would anyone stab Betsy
10. 0:2355 times on her couch leaving the knife
11. 0:26in her neck here's what Pam Hupp said on
12. 0:29the witness stand about their
13. 0:30relationship
14. 0:32Pam Hop has told so many different
15. 0:35stories about where she was the night of
16. 0:37Betsy frías murder and her relationship
17. 0:39with the victim that the civil attorneys
18. 0:41for Betsy's daughter's Lea and Mariah
19. 0:43asked again did you have a sexual
20. 0:46relationship with Betsy for a sexual
21. 0:49Houma basis what sexual to you did you
22. 0:51ever tell enforcement officials that you
23. 0:53and Betsy were having a sexual
24. 0:55relationship I did she had a mad crush
25. 0:58on me she really really really loved me
26. 1:01loved me at that time and it just kept
27. 1:05growing from that Pam claimed Betsy
28. 1:07pressured her she started indicating
29. 1:10that she wanted more from me than just
30. 1:12you know a friend and
31. 1:15it's just not gonna happen I love that
32. 1:18seat I'm not in love with her never was
33. 1:20in love with her she was in love with me
34. 1:23she was in love and at that point when I
35. 1:28knew what was happening with her and my
36. 1:31friend I just let that go because it was
37. 1:34a small small thing to give her Pam told
38. 1:38an investigator she caved to Betsy's
39. 1:41desires we're drinking wine and stuff
40. 1:43like that she'd start crying or whatever
41. 1:44you try to cut something whatever wasn't
42. 1:47that many times it's just something I
43. 1:49sacrificed for her because it's
44. 1:53something someone else Hupp loved
45. 1:56suddenly died her mom fell off this
46. 1:59third-floor balcony Halloween 2013
47. 2:01I asked huff about her mother's violent
48. 2:04ending to date no one else has
49. 2:06interviewed her about it no prosecutor
50. 2:08no police officer June 2013 Lincoln
51. 2:11County investigators were talking to Pam
52. 2:13Huck before Russ Faria went on trial for
53. 2:15his wife's murder
54. 2:16at one point hop in the chief detective
55. 2:18discussed hops mom hop told the
56. 2:27detective her mother was a reason why
57. 2:29she could not have killed Betsy Faria
58. 2:34that I get when she dies my mom is
59. 2:37dementia and does them half the time
60. 2:39know who we are right he's been living
61. 2:42my mom in the condo oh my god that
62. 2:44sounds really morbid and stuff like that
63. 2:45but I am a life insurance person but I
64. 2:47really wanted money there was an easier
65. 2:51way than trying to combat somebody
66. 2:53that's physically stronger than me I'm
67. 2:55just saying four months after that
68. 2:57interview
69. 2:57Hopps mom Shirley Newman who was 77 fell
70. 3:00to her death on Halloween she went
71. 3:03through this third floor balcony of a
72. 3:05fenton senior living community Fox 2
73. 3:07obtained these pictures taken during the
74. 3:09st. Louis County police investigation
75. 3:11the top railing on the outdoor balcony
76. 3:13was intact but there's damage to the
77. 3:15vertical bars police believed the damage
78. 3:18was caused by newman's fall there were
79. 3:20no witnesses and no video police called
80. 3:23it an accident the st. Louis County
81. 3:25police report says HUP had taken her mom
82. 3:27to the doctor and brought her back to
83. 3:28the nursing home at 8:00 p.m. on the
84. 3:3030th and quote told the staff if Shirley
85. 3:33does not show up for breakfast to notify
86. 3:35the family Shirley did not show up for
87. 3:37breakfast she did not show up for lunch
88. 3:39a housekeeper found her dead after 2:30
89. 3:42on Halloween
90. 3:43a medical examiner investigator noted
91. 3:45Newman's hands and skin were slightly
92. 3:47pruney likely from the rain Newman's
93. 3:49post-mortem blood tests found point
94. 3:51eight four micrograms of ambien in her
95. 3:53blood toxicologists say that's eight
96. 3:56times what you should have in your blood
97. 3:58if you took the prescribed amount during
98. 3:59Fox 2's continuing investigation into
99. 4:02Betsy frías death which included
100. 4:04revealing evidence jurors never heard
101. 4:06like Betsy frías life insurance policy
102. 4:08proceeds that went to Pam hop I know it
103. 4:11I decided on a cold January day to see
104. 4:14if hop would talk to me
105. 4:15surprisingly she talked for 30 minutes
106. 4:17at her front door her mother had died
107. 4:19two months earlier how did your mom die
108. 4:23yeah whatever happened she died like the
109. 4:31people in the home say she committed
110. 4:33suicide so I'm not quite sure what's
111. 4:34going on really I'm sorry I mean just
112. 4:39jumped well I don't know because we
113. 4:43don't know yet
114. 4:44okay was she suicidal thanks I don't
115. 4:49know you know how do you know with
116. 4:50Alzheimer people's pup said she was
117. 4:52about to move her mom out of the senior
118. 4:54community she couldn't afford to live
119. 4:56there knew more than a year later in
120. 4:582015
121. 4:59pop is talking to Lincoln County
122. 5:00Prosecutor Leah ASCII in this recorded
123. 5:03pretrial meeting Russ Faria was about to
124. 5:05be retried for Betsy's murder they
125. 5:08discussed the 150 thousand dollar life
126. 5:10insurance proceeds Pam got and how Pam
127. 5:12promised but then refused to give it to
128. 5:15Betsy's daughters the women discussed
129. 5:24trial strategy complain about media
130. 5:26coverage and the topic shifts to Pam's
131. 5:29mother people she wants it we didn't so
132. 5:33everything she had I took a 210-pound
133. 5:40woman and drew her through a wait how do
134. 5:44you do that how do we do that
135. 5:46ask II never questioned the comment the
136. 5:49st. Louis County Police Department is
137. 5:51also asking for information from the
138. 5:52public during its review of Shirley
139. 5:55Newman's fatal fall
140. 5:58still to come the railing test see what
141. 6:01happens when Fox 2 forces hundreds of
142. 6:03pounds of weight into a railing it's
143. 6:05similar to the one mrs. Newman went
144. 6:06through our results after this
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