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0:01all right brother
0:04all right brother
0:07all right
0:09I just got to ask you a few
0:11more questions
0:13oh you came down earlier and I mean you
0:15talked all right you don't have any
0:17weapons on you do you yeah that's just
0:19you are what's wrong
0:21you know I'm detective Patterson right
0:23yes do you remember put your hands up
0:25here you remember us talking earlier
0:27tonight
0:28right you remember me earlier in the day
0:31yes well we came down here and talked a
0:34little bit and then we left yes okay I
0:37need to know
0:38about this girl right here you know her
0:42yeah who is that Lauren gettings does
0:46she live next door to you yes
0:50when's the last time you seen her
0:52two or three weeks ago
0:55okay was you friends with Laura yes look
0:58at me when you taught me son okay
1:01was you friends with her yes close
1:04friends
1:05we were good I mean y'all were friends
1:07right both of y'all were all students
1:09are starting to be an attorney right yes
1:11what kind of law do you want to go into
1:12criminal law yes is that what you want
1:15to do for a living yes okay
1:18are you almost finished yes okay so you
1:21don't have too much more to do right no
1:23all right
1:25are you gonna stay here and make him I
1:28don't know did you used to work at the
1:30District Attorney's Office in Macon yes
1:32was you on the
1:33prosecutor side or the defense side
1:36prosecutor so you on our side right you
1:40never worked on the other side no did
1:42you like it when you were down there yes
1:45uh got along with everybody yes okay
1:50and you live next to Lauren for a long
1:52time yes okay do you know where she's at
1:55tonight no hmm
1:58no have you ever seen it with that dress
2:00on
2:02no
2:04you have no idea where she's at no
2:10oh
2:14[Music]
2:18yes
2:20uh branding
2:31oh okay uh my major didn't do that but
2:35okay all right all right
2:40look
2:42just tell me what happened brother
2:44I don't know well where's she at I need
2:47you I'm asking you for your help
2:50I'm a detective and I'm asking you for
2:53your help
2:54okay I'm asking you for help
2:57I need your help can you help me
3:01I don't know
3:03you don't know if you can help me
3:05yes I need your help
3:08help me out tell me what to do
3:10has anybody asked you for help today
3:14I need you I'm asking you as a friend
3:17for help
3:21can you help me
3:22I don't know
3:25what do you mean you don't know you
3:27can't help a friend out I don't know
3:29what you need I need to know where
3:31Lawrence at I don't know when's the last
3:34time you seen her two or three weeks ago
3:38has anybody have you ever seen anybody
3:39over her house the last couple nights
3:45if you knew where she was would you tell
3:46me
3:51what do you think happened to her
4:01and care that no one can find her yes
4:06I mean I don't know do you yes
4:16do you have a girlfriend no
4:20did you think Lauren was your girlfriend
4:22no
4:29I mean
4:32you said you didn't have any other cars
4:34right
4:35right
4:37well why would your everybody you went
4:39to school with for the last three and
4:41four years
4:42said that you own another car other than
4:46that geoprism everybody I've talked to
4:49all you friends you were in school with
4:52people that you worked at the District
4:53Attorney's office with said you have
4:55other cars other than that car
4:58and you're gonna sit here today and tell
5:00me you don't have another car I don't
5:02well where's it at
5:04I don't have one you never had another
5:07car besides that geoprism so if I call
5:10your granddaddy he's going to tell me
5:12that you only have one car yes what's
5:16his phone number I don't know yeah
5:19because I already have it
5:22you don't know his phone number no
5:27hmm
5:34I mean you seriously can't help us out
5:38his number is in my cell phone of course
5:40that's a start where's your cell phone
5:42at the apartment in your apartment
5:45I mean it's kind of late to be calling
5:47him does he stay up late I don't know
5:53do you have a grandmother or he's just
5:54him
5:55my grandmother passed away a while back
5:58yes
6:00but you're close to your grandfather
6:02right yes
6:04I mean don't he own some property or
6:06something he said a couple of Acres
6:09my granddaddy or my grandfather
6:13who lives in Pike County my granddaddy
6:16because he own any land down there yes
6:18okay
6:19and do sometimes you go down to visit
6:21him or something
6:23last time we met I went down and visited
6:26with my aunt and uncle
6:29what did he do for a living was he an
6:32attorney like you're he worked for the
6:34southern railroad company is anybody in
6:37your family an attorney no you're the
6:39only one that went through law school
6:40yes
6:42well that's an accomplishment don't you
6:45think
6:46yes I mean it took a long time right yes
6:50a lot of a lot of studying
7:00I think you told me earlier you were
7:01from up Atlanta or did you live in
7:04Atlanta or Griffin or something like
7:06that Lilburn
7:08you don't have any family left up there
7:09yes well who lives up there my parents
7:14hey brothers or sisters my sister lives
7:17in Tucker
7:19Georgia yes
7:21what's up with a pair of underwear that
7:23was in your apartment
7:25it was like a mask it was cut out like a
7:28mask do you you cut underwear out it
7:30looked like masks no
7:35how many guns did you have in your
7:37apartment three what are they do you
7:40know what they are
7:42all rightful what kind of rifle did you
7:45have an AK semi-automatic
7:48where'd you buy it from Classic Arms is
7:52that Atlanta or something online okay
7:56what kind of pistols are you on EAA
7:59Witness
8:00full size and compact okay
8:04what is that what about the one that was
8:05on the bed
8:06that's the full size that's the full
8:09size one where's the what was the other
8:10one the compact where was that at on the
8:14table by the bed yeah remember I was in
8:18there then you had that samurai sword
8:21yes that was just a I mean that's not
8:24it's an expensive sword or it's just
8:26some knockoff it's just one of the
8:27knockoff swords yes and what about the
8:30knife
8:31the big one that was remember you showed
8:34me it was dull
8:35yes what kind of knife is that because I
8:38don't know kukri
8:40so where do you get something like that
8:41online I bought it from a friend
8:45did you have any other knives in the
8:46house
8:47yes
8:48that I didn't see because you didn't
8:50show me no other knives that's the only
8:51one you showed me one of the knives did
8:53I miss there's a pocket knife that's on
8:55the table
8:56are you a knife collector or a knife
8:59person or no
9:01you just like knives I used to collect
9:04swords I mean do you know your swords
9:06yeah I mean to sell and trade swords no
9:10but you just bought here and there yes
9:13but you won't consider yourself like a
9:15sword expert no
9:17okay because you know they have that TV
9:19show where they sell stuff you know at
9:22night yeah on TV with I don't know what
9:25it's called The Knife shop or something
9:26like that
9:28have you ever seen what I'm talking
9:29about I don't know if you have cable TV
9:31or not
9:33all right
9:39you know tonight
9:43we're still looking for Lauren
9:46you know any of these other girls in
9:47this picture
9:49okay
9:53I know that she goes to the law school
9:55and I can't remember her name so she's
9:58still even be an attorney too yes
10:02is that how Lauren looked with the long
10:05hair the last time you've seen her
10:07yes that's how she looks yes
10:20oh this was in 2010.
10:32hmm
10:38who do you think
10:40took Lauren away I don't know well I
10:44need your help
10:45can you give me some what what is your
10:48observation of this
10:51I know you're smarter
10:53okay
10:55I know you have
10:57an observation you can tell me what's
11:00what do you think happened to her
11:03I think someone took her
11:08if you think
11:12I mean you watch TV shows right like you
11:14take the shows what's your observation
11:17how do you think somebody would take her
11:19if somebody did take her
11:21when she was running
11:24does she normally run all the time
11:26she runs I don't know how often you mean
11:30you think somebody might have took her
11:32when she was running like down the
11:33street somewhere yes
11:38you don't think somebody got her when
11:40she got back to her apartment
11:43I don't know
11:47well you know there was a body found in
11:49the trash can next to the apartments
11:51yes you do know that
11:53and it's a female white female's body
11:57right here
11:59right next to y'all's apartment
12:02feet within from her apartment
12:07I mean
12:12we don't know 100 sure it's Lauren
12:16but we're pretty confident it is
12:19we're waiting for some tests to be done
12:22to be 100 sure
12:25I mean who would who would
12:27do something with somebody throw them in
12:29a trash can
12:30I don't know I'm asking for your advice
12:33or your observation who in your complex
12:38would do something like that you live
12:40over there for three years
12:42that's tonight's the first night I think
12:44I've ever been over there
12:45[Music]
12:46and your expert opinion
12:50of all your knowledge are going through
12:52law school and all that
12:55who in that complex do I need to talk to
12:59I don't know
13:01no names come to mind you can't help me
13:03out a little bit
13:06huh
13:09you can't help me out
13:11I don't know
13:12you don't know anybody
13:16at all
13:19that lives in that complex
13:23well earlier you told me about a guy
13:24that lives in apartment 15.
13:28I mean he's a decent guy
13:30I think so
13:32don't y'all have a laundry room there or
13:34something yeah but everybody has access
13:36to the laundry room yes
13:40does anybody been working on the
13:42apartments below you in the last couple
13:45weeks that you've noticed
13:47haven't seen anyone
13:51but you don't you don't know if they've
13:54been doing work on that apartment number
13:55one no
14:02I mean earlier today me and you sit here
14:05and talk normal what's going on with you
14:07now why are you acting like this
14:09I need to know
14:11why all of a sudden you're acting like
14:13this
14:14hmm
14:16I don't understand okay earlier today we
14:19sat here and talked
14:22but now you're acting like you don't
14:25know what's going on
14:28hmm
14:33when does something happen or something
14:34to you
14:38I mean why are you not why are you
14:40shutting down why are you not talking to
14:42me
14:43I don't know you don't know are you
14:46scared
14:47no
14:50I mean you're not scared are you no
14:55are you sad that something had an alarm
14:57if that's her in that trash can yes
15:07when's the last time you you said you
15:10can't remember the last time earlier
15:12today that you took the trash out to the
15:14trash can
15:15right am I wrong
15:17I mean because you said you liked stayed
15:20inside the whole
15:22the whole weekend I think because you
15:24had all your food and all that
15:26you never went to Kroger over the
15:28weekend or Walmart or anything I don't
15:31remember
15:34but you could have
15:36no when you go to Kroger when you do go
15:40to the store to get your food do you use
15:42a credit card or you pay cash
15:44cash do you have a Kroger card yes
15:49so the crawler card should be able to
15:51tell if you were at Kroger this weekend
15:53right
15:54yes
16:01do you swipe your card and just enter
16:03your cell phone number they scan it well
16:06because I entered my phone though
16:08because I can't
16:09never remember to bring my car
16:13but you don't remember if you went over
16:15the bank you drive your car you walk
16:17over there I drive
16:20you ever go to Walmart on Easter the
16:23Great Highway or which Walmart do you go
16:25to when you go to Walmart Gray Highway
16:27you don't ever go out to Zebulon Road
16:30I don't think so
16:32yeah I've been out there you know where
16:33Zeppelin wrote the new Walmart
16:36no you know
16:38so you just basically go to the long
16:40Railway yes
16:42okay
16:44do you know where you're at tonight
16:46yes where are you at detective Bureau
16:50okay
16:53and you know why
16:55we've been working all day trying to
16:57find Lauren right yes because her family
16:59wants to know where she's at yes and I
17:02don't know what to tell her family
17:05so I'm asking you what do I need to tell
17:07her fam
17:08I don't know
17:10what what do you want me to tell them I
17:12don't know
17:14huh
17:17you're gonna have to tell me what to
17:18tell her family
17:21it's all on you brother
17:23what he wanted me to tell the family
17:27huh
17:28no well I need to know
17:32I need to know
17:35okay
17:38if something happened to Lauren and you
17:40know you need to tell me
17:45if you know something
17:47because I need to know
17:49because her family's down here
17:52want to know what happened to her
17:55I don't know
18:01you don't know
18:03that's what you want me to tell her
18:05mother and her father
18:07that you don't know
18:09I don't know not that you're sorry that
18:11she's missing I thought you've been
18:13trying to help me all day find her but
18:15you just wanted me to tell her I don't
18:17know
18:19I don't know are you a sorry piece of
18:21[ __ ] that you want me to tell her that
18:26you got your ass on that [ __ ] news
18:29and stood out there
18:31and gave a media report that her mother
18:34saw
18:37about her missing daughter
18:41and you want me to sit there and tell
18:42them that you don't know
18:46is that what you want me to tell them
18:49because you're all over the news
18:52you sure stood out there and ran your
18:54mouth to the news media
18:55but now you're going to get out here and
18:58you don't [ __ ] know
19:00you know
19:02you're just a sorry piece of [ __ ] that
19:05don't give a [ __ ]
19:07right
19:09yeah well why'd you tell the media
19:12everything
19:13do you need to see what you told the
19:15media today
19:16it was on 11 o'clock news while I'm
19:18asking you
19:20tell me I want to know
19:23I don't know where she is that ain't
19:26what you told the media
19:31you didn't stand in front of that camera
19:33and say I don't know
19:35I don't know
19:36I don't know
19:48right
19:50you buy all these weapons was you ever
19:52in the military no
19:56what do you need all these weapons for
19:58are you scared somebody's gonna hurt you
20:01no
20:02what do you need all these weapons for
20:06why there's a reason why
20:09were you molested as a child no then why
20:13do you need all these weapons
20:16why give me one good reason
20:20Just Give Me One Reason
20:22I have wow
20:24does it make you feel important no
20:28hmm
20:29are you a big guy because you got a
20:31weapon no
20:33do you even know how to use it yes
20:38I need you to tell me what you want me
20:40to tell her mother
20:42and then I won't ask you another thing
20:44I'm not going to tell her mother that
20:46you don't know because her mother saw
20:48you on the news tonight
20:50and she cried all the way down to Macon
20:53because you had the balls to get on the
20:55news and tell everybody everything
21:00you didn't have no problem talking to
21:02the news when they asked you questions
21:06I'm asking you questions
21:09where's Lauren
21:11I don't know yes you do know
21:14you do know
21:17you do know
21:19you know
21:22you know
21:25you do know
21:29and everybody in making those you knows
21:31because you got your sorry ass on the
21:32news and told everybody
21:35so every friend you have in Macon
21:38knows that you know
21:44everybody go to school with every one of
21:47your professors everybody
21:50knows that you know
21:53because you got on the news tonight and
21:55told everybody that you know
21:58how do you think
22:01[Music]
22:04you think you're gonna be a walk down
22:06the street tomorrow and nobody bother
22:07you
22:09hmm
22:11think nobody's gonna come over and knock
22:13on the door
22:15to see if you want to talk to the media
22:17again
22:19no oh they're gonna be over there
22:21brother
22:24so this little act that you're doing
22:26right now
22:28ain't working with me
22:30okay because you didn't have no problem
22:33talking to the media
22:38no problem
22:40so you just snap out of it and tell me
22:43what the hell happened
22:45so we can move on
22:48I don't know well
22:51how many times you gonna say I don't
22:53know
22:54huh
22:57how many times you gonna say it
23:01what are you gonna say I remember I
23:04don't want to remember what happened to
23:06her
23:08how many times you gonna say that
23:12if you did something
23:16that you regret
23:19and you let me know
23:22I didn't
23:24oh dear I don't know well a body was
23:29found over here right next to where you
23:31live
23:33and what do you have in your Apartments
23:35a lot of knives
23:39a lot of guns
23:42right
23:43yes
23:52and I'm asking you
23:54about it and you're just saying I don't
23:56know
23:58that's all that's the only answer you
24:00can give is I don't know
24:01it's six hours or a couple hours ago he
24:04was out there telling the media
24:05everything you didn't stand in front of
24:06that camera and say I don't know
24:08you were actually answering questions
24:12right
24:15how many interviews you give
24:17three
24:18I don't know you gave like three
24:23do you think that was a proper thing to
24:24do
24:25when a mother's looking for her child
24:28they asked me what happened and what did
24:31you tell them
24:33what did you tell them
24:35that Lauren was missing okay what else
24:38did you tell them
24:39that we had gone looking for her
24:43okay
24:44and what
24:45and that we hadn't found her
24:49what else do they ask to
24:51I don't remember why don't you remember
24:55I don't you're telling me
24:59that you went through Law School
25:01well you went through college first
25:03right you graduated from college yes and
25:06now you're in law school did you
25:07graduate from law school yeah but you
25:09don't [ __ ] remember what they asked
25:11you this afternoon no huh I just don't
25:15[ __ ] believe that [ __ ]
25:18don't stand up yet
25:21what's up buddy
25:24you talk to him about his guns yeah when
25:27was the last time you shot those guns
25:28all right
25:30you've never shot a gun no have you ever
25:32shot any gun in your whole life no no
25:39so you bought three guns that you've
25:41never shot
25:42yes why
25:45for what
25:47to have for what I'm asking for what
25:52do you want to have them what makes do
25:54they give you I mean tell me why it's
25:55important to you to have three guns
26:03that's an easy question
26:05Come on talk to me buddy me and you
26:07talked all day today we ain't had a
26:09problem communicating
26:11why is it important for you to have
26:13three guns
26:18do you not know
26:20okay
26:22um you got a girlfriend no
26:26who's your best friend
26:28Michael Quinn Michael who Quinn who is
26:32he he was a law student with me is he
26:35just does he still a lawsuit no he
26:38graduated when was the last time you
26:40talked to him
26:41before he moved up to Boston how long
26:44ago was that a few weeks a few weeks
26:47like a month two months two weeks three
26:49weeks what
26:51the beginning of June beginning of June
26:55beginning of June
26:59okay
27:02so let me ask you a question how
27:04you say you don't know where Lauren is
27:06right
27:07right
27:09you said you told me earlier you alone
27:10were friends right yes
27:13how would you describe y'all's
27:15relationship
27:17he was my friend
27:18my friend she was your friend
27:20what did you ever do things for us you
27:23ever do things for you what did she ever
27:24do for you
27:26we talked we talked what'd y'all talk
27:29about
27:30news the news
27:33okay
27:35um
27:36earlier you was telling me something
27:37about you fixed your computer before
27:40I couldn't fix it you couldn't fix it
27:42what was wrong with it
27:44not remember how long ago was that
27:50around graduation well how long ago was
27:53that
27:54middle of May middle of May
27:57so you were over in her apartment in the
27:59middle of May yes have you been over
28:01there since then yes when was the last
28:03time you were over there
28:04[Music]
28:06before last night have you ever been
28:09over there with Lauren since the time
28:11you worked on her computer in the middle
28:12of May no
28:14how many times have you been in her
28:16apartment with her hanging out
28:26you don't know
28:30if you had to guess
28:32what was just I mean one time two times
28:35three times what
28:39maybe two maybe two see if I had only
28:42been somewhere twice
28:44I could remember that if I had been
28:47there
28:48over 50 times and you asked me how many
28:50times I've been like I don't know a lot
28:52but the fact that you've only been there
28:53twice when I say how many times you've
28:55been you say you don't know that's just
28:57odd to me
28:58does that make sense to you
29:01yes that does make sense so what I'm
29:03saying right now makes sense no
29:11when was the last time you saw Lauren
29:13two or three weeks ago and you have you
29:16been on vacation for the last couple
29:17weeks you
29:19you've been home every night yes has she
29:22been at home every night I don't know
29:24has she been on vacation
29:26I think she was away for a while how
29:29long
29:30[Music]
29:31were you looking for
29:33no
29:35let me tell you even if I didn't talk to
29:38my neighbors I know if my neighbors have
29:41been in and out I hear them come in I
29:43hear them go out I see them when they
29:45walk by my window I've lived in
29:46apartments most of my life
29:48so the fact that you haven't seen her in
29:50two or three weeks that's just odd to me
29:53I will be it makes me feel like you're
29:55not being honest with me Stephen
30:00why would you not be honest with me I am
30:03being honest Stephen it just doesn't
30:04feel like it buddy
30:06you know
30:08I get the sense that
30:11there's something wearing heavy on your
30:12heart right now
30:14and it's breaking you down
30:18and you feel bad about it I can tell you
30:21you haven't slept much have you in the
30:24last few days have you no
30:27like something's Weighing on your mind
30:29ain't it we were looking for Lauren you
30:32started looking for Lauren yesterday yes
30:34but you haven't slept in several days
30:36have you
30:37yes you have yes earlier when I talked
30:40to you you said you hadn't slept been
30:42days that this morning was the first
30:44time he was able to get any sleep was
30:45this morning for a little bit no
30:48yes that's what you said
30:53that's what you told me
30:59so I asked you well if you haven't been
31:00able to sleep in several days what have
31:01you been doing studying and you said
31:03yeah studying
31:06you don't remember that
31:16what I want you to do I'm going to ask
31:19you this question
31:20I want you to describe to me how you
31:23feel right now
31:33you don't know how to answer that with a
31:34yes or no do you
31:36I don't know what's going on
31:42Lauren's missing
31:45this pretty little girl right here
31:48your neighbor
31:52she's missing
31:55I know
31:57you went looking for her last night yes
32:01did you hurt Lauren no
32:04Stephen did you hurt Lauren no
32:08I know this is hard for you to tell it
32:12but it's Weighing on you right now ain't
32:13it Stephen
32:15I didn't do it
32:18I know you can probably help me with who
32:20did
32:23can't you buddy I don't know
32:29just didn't you know
32:31and I me and you both know it's no
32:34different than when you was a little kid
32:35right
32:37and you reached in that cookie jar and
32:39you got caught after your mama told you
32:41not to get that cookie you know as soon
32:43as you did you get a cookie
32:44no and whenever you tell a lie you feel
32:48bad about it right then one with every
32:51light is a chance you're gonna get
32:52called
32:55and that weighs on you
32:58because you know you did something bad
33:03am I right
33:05didn't do it you didn't take the cookie
33:08no
33:14what'd you do buddy
33:19I didn't do anything
33:21would you do the Lord
33:23I didn't do anything you saw Lauren last
33:26night though yesterday
33:28no
33:30what time was it that she went out to do
33:32a laundry
33:33I don't know
33:35where were you at yesterday
33:37at home
33:39what'd you do at home
33:41tell me everything you did yesterday
33:44from the time you woke up to the time
33:46you went to sleep
33:51I checked the news that what uh
33:55I don't remember was it yesterday
33:57morning
33:59I don't remember what'd you do when you
34:01woke up
34:04I think I checked the news all right you
34:06check the news okay
34:15what'd you do after that
34:19I watched some videos online
34:23to clean up
34:25no you didn't
34:28no
34:29you smell like you've been cleaning up
34:31like you've been using cleaner to clean
34:33up
34:34I know what that smells like my wife
34:35smells like that all the time when she
34:37cleans the house
34:39you've been using some kind of cleaner
34:40to clean up your apartment haven't you
34:42no
34:43Stephen did you tell me you live it like
34:45how does your apartment get cleaned
34:49I cleaned it okay when was the last time
34:52you cleaned it Stephen
34:54I don't remember
34:56was it this week no you mean you go a
34:59whole week without cleaning yes why
35:03that's horrible Stephen
35:05was it possibly over the weekend last
35:07weekend
35:08no it wasn't if you can't remember
35:14then how is it that you can tell me that
35:16you didn't clean up your apartment last
35:17weekend
35:19a minute ago you couldn't remember
35:25I don't remember cleaning last weekend
35:29so you it isn't that you didn't
35:31it's that you just don't remember
35:36right
35:43help me out buddy
35:45right
35:47I don't understand just don't understand
35:58I don't know how else to say it Stephen
36:00let me tell you what I think
36:03I think that she was a friend of yours
36:06look at her right here
36:08I think that she was a friend of yours
36:12and I think something happens to you
36:20used to watch her come in and out of her
36:22apartment didn't you
36:24no
36:26I mean then how are y'all friends if
36:28y'all were if me and you friends we
36:30lived next door to each other every time
36:33I see look at what I see y'all there's
36:34my buddy going in
36:36because we friends I'm gonna pay
36:39attention to when you come in and out
36:40didn't you just tell me that y'all were
36:42friends yes
36:44but you don't you didn't pay attention
36:46to when she came in and out no
36:48no Stephen you're lying now you're lying
36:53you just lying that's a lie
36:57you you ever see her come in and out of
36:59her apartment
37:00yes you did when was the last time
37:05you don't remember like last week maybe
37:09I don't think so you don't think so
37:14Stephen you understand that everything
37:15that you're saying it doesn't make any
37:17sense at all none
37:20none
37:22you totally contradict everything that
37:26relates to human behavior
37:28we have skills to be able to observe
37:30things to hear things to see things
37:32there are natural things out there that
37:34draw our attention every day such as
37:36when you're driving down the road and
37:38somebody hits the horn you look around
37:40you know what I'm saying this is a
37:42natural reaction if you're sitting in
37:44your living room you hear the door stand
37:46next to you you automatically think my
37:48neighbor's home
37:50right
37:51you're you're telling me that those kind
37:53of things don't happen in your life
37:57you asked if I watched
37:59I didn't watch have you noticed that
38:02she's came in and out of our house in
38:04the last week or two
38:06I don't remember
38:09foreign
38:15foreign
38:19the last time I saw her was two or three
38:21weeks ago dude where at
38:24she was going out running when I was
38:27coming in what were you coming in from
38:29for our preparation bar preparation
38:33what's the bar preparation
38:35oh you're preparing for the bar exam yes
38:38okay
38:39[Music]
38:41well how y'all doing
38:43we're just talking
38:45he doesn't seem to remember our whole
38:47life
38:50everything's yes or no I don't remember
38:55a lot of things aren't making anything I
38:57got to be honest with you Stephen
38:59me personally
39:01I don't feel like you're being honest
39:04okay
39:06well Stephen you said you're gonna help
39:07me out right
39:09for this investigation because we needed
39:11your help we're asking you for help
39:13right that's what we remember I told you
39:16that yes and you told me you're gonna
39:18help me yeah right
39:20you're gonna help me find Lauren right
39:22yes
39:24and ask for your opinion your
39:26observation of what happened there to
39:28her yes right and what
39:30what did you tell me
39:32I thought someone snatched her
39:35all right
39:37where do you think someone might have
39:39snatched her from when she was if you're
39:42the detective you're the police
39:43detective
39:45it's your investigation
39:47where would you start your investigation
39:53come on now
39:55you watch TV right
39:57yes okay you made it to college right
40:01yes you made it just about through law
40:03school right yes
40:05so you should know
40:08where would you start your investigation
40:12where she was last seen okay
40:16so in this case where was she last seen
40:19at garen's house Karen
40:23that's the guy that lives up on
40:25street right friend of hers yes okay
40:31all right and that was on I think she
40:34left there on Saturday morning yes am I
40:37right okay
40:39now
40:40where do you think she went from
40:43their house
40:45I don't know
40:46all right you're the detective now all
40:49right
40:49it's your case
40:52what would you do
40:54check at her home okay we did that
40:59with you know that's what we did today
41:01right yeah let's check you saw us out
41:04there when we knocked on your door
41:06she's not there
41:13you know I need your help in finding her
41:17and what do we need to do
41:20what do we need to do that we haven't
41:21done
41:23I don't know you don't know
41:28so if you had this case you wouldn't be
41:29able to solve is that what you're saying
41:31because you're not smart enough to solve
41:34it
41:35or you think you're smart enough to be a
41:37detective
41:39I don't know no
41:42you gotta be killing me Stephen
41:47so Stephen listen to me
41:51we're real people and we're here to talk
41:53to you we're trying we're I'd like to
41:56think that we're friends okay friends
41:59communicate back and forth the only
42:02thing you've said is yes or no and I
42:04don't know
42:05okay
42:06it makes me feel like you're treating me
42:08like you don't like me and I feel like
42:10I've looked out for you today
42:12everything you said you wanted I've
42:14given you I've tried to give you food
42:16several times you know I feel like we
42:19talked you told me about how you like to
42:21look at porn on the internet
42:23um you expressed to me that you're a
42:25virgin correct yes I mean that's the
42:27kind of stuff you tell friends you know
42:29what I'm saying
42:30right yes we we need to know where your
42:34other car is at I know you have I
42:35already know you own another car okay
42:45you've been using somebody else's car
42:48yeah everyone I interviewed today say
42:51you have another car
42:53these people aren't making this up
42:56you have another vehicle
43:02so your grandfather's a liar
43:04is that what you're saying
43:07you're calling your grandfather a liar I
43:10just talked to her
43:11and he said you own another car I don't
43:18so he's lied to me
43:20Stephen we're telling way too many lies
43:22so you're telling me they're like I'm
43:24willing to tell me
43:26that you're a virgin and that you you
43:28told me you jack off the porn on the
43:30internet but you don't want to admit to
43:32having another call that makes me think
43:33you got something to hide Stephen that
43:36concerns me you tell me things that most
43:39people wouldn't tell somebody else but
43:40yet you lie about something so I'm
43:42trying to hide that you have another car
43:44what's the big deal I don't have it I
43:46got three calls
43:48you do no I don't it's not a joke what
43:51happened to it I've never had another
43:53car that's the only car you've ever had
43:54in Macon yes okay let me go talk to him
43:57again because that's not what he's
43:59saying
44:07Stephen
44:12what happened alone
44:13yeah you like her don't you she's my
44:17friend did you ever think about having
44:19sex with her no
44:21you never tried to talk to her on a
44:24dating level yeah let me go talk they
44:27got his grandfather let me go talk make
44:29sure that
44:31he owns another car because he's telling
44:34us he doesn't
44:40be right back so you telling me she got
44:44a pretty girl right there yes you
44:46telling me you looked at a pretty girl
44:48like that and you never once thought
44:49ever man
44:53she looks good
44:56you never thought that
45:02I don't understand
45:07what do you mean you don't understand
45:08did you know when you're sitting there
45:10you see a girl walking down the road
45:12and he said man that girl looks good you
45:14ever said good looking girl or you think
45:16yourself man that girl looks good yes
45:18you never thought that about her yes
45:23so you mean to tell me you look at porn
45:25on the internet
45:28and get off to that but you never looked
45:31at her and said man I wonder would it be
45:32like to have sex with her yes you have
45:35no
45:40have you ever thought about what it
45:41would be like to have sex alone no
45:44you've never imagined having sex alone
45:46no
45:47no have you ever had sex for long no
45:53what do you know about that body we
45:54found today
45:55I don't know you don't know
46:09what if I told you
46:14that I believe that you do know
46:17I don't what if I told you that I could
46:19prove it
46:21I don't know you don't know
46:24is there a chance
46:27but you do admit there's a chance
46:30that I possibly have evidence to show
46:32that you do have something to do with
46:34that body correct
46:36I don't know you don't know
46:40because if I hadn't done anything I'd
46:43say no there's no way
46:46but you say you don't know why is that
46:48why do you say you don't know is there a
46:50chance that maybe something's there
46:52no why did you say you don't know
46:54because I don't know because you're
46:57worried about something maybe something
46:58to happen that maybe something got mixed
47:01up with something you're worried about
47:03that no
47:04now why do you say I don't know because
47:07I don't
47:09know how would you not know
47:15if I was asking you did you just rob a
47:18bank if you didn't you'd say no not I
47:20don't know right right so why do you say
47:24I don't know
47:25because I don't know you don't know if
47:27you had anything to do with that body I
47:29didn't
47:31you didn't
47:32are you sure yes
47:35what if I said I could prove that you
47:37did
47:39I don't know
47:43could you explain it
47:45I don't know
47:48today you told an investigator
47:51that you were worried
47:55about us possibly finding blood in your
47:57apartment
47:58didn't you
48:00I don't remember you did it
48:03now why would you be worried about that
48:08we all looked in Lauren's apartment did
48:11you see blood no then what would make
48:13you think that that there was blood
48:15taken over there nothing would make you
48:18think that unless you saw it because see
48:21I didn't see no blood
48:25none other large friends saw blood but I
48:28know now that blood was there
48:31and now I believe you saw it
48:35you saw that blood
48:37you know that blood was there and that's
48:40why you're worried about it no
48:45did you know why did you have blood up
48:47in the inside of your nose
48:49I don't know
48:57you don't know
49:00but you saw that blood that's the only
49:02way that you would be worried about it
49:04because that's like saying
49:07I'm worried about
49:11Red Rose is being under my pillow
49:14but yet I never put on that that doesn't
49:16make any sense you know
49:19um your brain doesn't even think to
49:21operate like that unless you knew
49:23something was there
49:26does that make sense
49:28that makes sense to you're a smart guy
49:30right
49:34I don't understand
49:38you knew that there was blood in that
49:40apartment
49:41no yes you did Stephen
49:46yes you did
49:50there's blood in your apartment
49:52Stephen
49:57that's right
49:59there's blood in your apartment
50:02Stephen this is hard buddy I know this
50:05is hard
50:07and I can tell it's only you want to let
50:09it go there's blood in your apartment
50:11Stephen you didn't get it all up
50:15it didn't all come off
50:17you scrubbing you wiped but we can tell
50:20that don't you watch CSI
50:26yeah we know it
50:33Stephen
50:35why is there blood in your bathroom
50:39yes you do know why Steven I don't has
50:42anybody else been in your bathroom
50:45police were in there other than the
50:47police
50:49who else has been in there
50:52no one
50:55and you recently cleaned your bathroom
50:57didn't you no how long ago
51:00I don't remember a couple days ago no
51:03no over the weekend no
51:06no you don't know I don't remember
51:09cleaning it do you use drugs no you ever
51:13use acid no
51:15are you you're on medication no
51:28you're lying Stephen
51:30I wanted to give you an opportunity to
51:32tell it
51:34I wanted to be here with you to go
51:37through that process because I know
51:39you're not a monster man
51:42I know you're not a bad guy
51:45just a hard-working student trying to
51:47pass a bar exam engine
51:49you ain't got a lot of support from your
51:50family do you yes you do
51:54a lot of people can't say that
51:56and the fact that you do have support
51:58from your family
52:00should make things easier your family
52:02wants to feel like they've raised
52:03somebody that tells the truth and is
52:05honest right yes did you hurt that girl
52:08Stephen no
52:11have you ever heard anyone Stephen
52:14yeah
52:28never hurt anyone
52:30no I've heard people Stephen
52:35I've made mistakes in my life
52:38it's not even normal to say you've never
52:40heard anybody
52:41sometimes people get mad and they say
52:43things they don't mean to say it hurts
52:46you never keep the dog or a cat
52:48[Music]
52:50you ever hurt your the kids that live up
52:53there with your parents
52:55do you love those kids don't you yes
52:58okay
53:00if something happened to one of those
53:01kids you
53:03be upset right yes
53:06well something happened though
53:08this lady's child Lauren okay
53:13you love Europe
53:15all the kids up there with your mama
53:17right yes
53:19and you do anything for them right yes I
53:22mean they college and said hey we need
53:23you
53:24help us out you'd help them out right
53:26yes we need you to help us out
53:31okay
53:34tell me about your family
53:37before adopted siblings but you love
53:41very much right yes okay what about your
53:44mama
53:45he's a homemaker okay
53:48what about your daddy
53:50painter
53:53close family
53:56y'all close yes
53:59was the last time you talked to him
54:01we'll move that together
54:04what was that
54:0515 weeks ago
54:08did you go up there to see him or they
54:10come down and see you we went to
54:12Buckner's I like both the chicken place
54:16where the table spins around yes
54:20stroll with that metal yes
54:24foreign
54:29they bring all the kids with them yes
54:34they come back and make them well
54:37[Music]
54:39they asked you how you was doing in
54:41school whatever yes
54:43all right
54:48you had total
54:51detector Chapman that you've never shot
54:53any of those guns that were in your
54:55apartment yes have you no well you never
55:00went to the shooting range here in Macon
55:01did some shooting
55:04huh no
55:06any gun no
55:11you know did you made the mistake and
55:13told people at school that you used to
55:14go to the shooting range and shoot no
55:17you've never said that
55:19no
55:21do you even know how to load
55:24yes SKS is that that was an SKS right no
55:27what was it an AK same well same thing
55:32just different you don't even know how
55:34to load it yes what kind of rounds to
55:37take
55:39762-39 okay
55:42what's the capacity of that clip that
55:44you had 30 rounds
55:46what's it loaded
55:48is it loaded
55:50the magazine is full okay got a round in
55:54the chamber no why not
55:58safer that way
56:00Cipher it's just you in the apartment
56:01right
56:03yes why do you think it's safe for that
56:06one
56:08no chance of it getting knocked over and
56:10going off
56:12I mean no one lives with you just you
56:16bullets can travel distance well how do
56:19you know that
56:21I've read up about it
56:27on what the computer yes okay
56:31what about your pistols
56:34you never fired any of those pistols no
56:38were they loaded tonight
56:41the magazine is full on the 10
56:43millimeter okay
56:46there's one around in the chamber in
56:49nine millimeter and a full magazine it
56:51was the nine millimeter the full size
56:53one with the compact one compact
56:59and you've never even fired any of those
57:01weapons no where do you buy your ammo
57:04have you ever purchased any ammo here
57:06make them yes from where
57:09A to Z guns
57:11was that on viable Avenue yes when's the
57:14last time he was lazy guns years ago
57:18Do you have a a permit yeah to carry on
57:22you do
57:23here in Bibb County yes
57:28you applied when you was working down at
57:30the county or
57:31I applied last fall okay so you have
57:36your card yes is it with you yes can I
57:39see ya
57:43they make they still make you take your
57:44fingerprint dollar yes
57:47let me see your car
57:50how much does it cost now
57:53you remember around eighty dollars
58:01so it expires in 2016. yes
58:07do you have any pictures of the kids
58:08yeah no they didn't give you no pictures
58:12when they were in school
58:15got a picture of your parents no you got
58:17no pictures no
58:21you have some at your apartment some
58:25God
58:26what do the kids call you
58:28Stephen okay
58:31so you're just a brother or uncle or
58:34brother brother Stephen none of them
58:36ever come visit you here in Macon
58:42[Applause]
58:45um
58:56about this car
58:59when you first moved to Macon did you
59:01have another automobile no
59:04never
59:05you know when you moved to making us you
59:07brought that Geo prison with you yes
59:11you never left a car back there at your
59:13mother's no why'd you tell everybody at
59:16school
59:17that you had that other vehicle
59:19I didn't
59:21so everyone we talked to just made that
59:24story up
59:26about you talking about your other
59:28vehicle
59:30I don't have another vehicle
59:35when's the last time you've been to
59:37Kroger in Bakersfield
59:39I don't remember
59:41okay because I asked you that when's the
59:43last time you were at Walmart
59:48it's been a long time can you even give
59:51me that much
59:52no
59:54a week or so
59:56Maybe
59:58do you even have a credit card yes which
1:00:02credit card do you use the most
1:00:04Visa it's just as a bank name or just a
1:00:07Visa
1:00:09First Financial Bank is that here in
1:00:11Macon no First Financial
1:00:15you got a bank account with them no
1:00:17no who's accountant they just sent you a
1:00:19Visa
1:00:21you don't have no bank account
1:00:23s
1:00:26you putting all your money in your house
1:00:28with all the food you got in there I
1:00:30have an account with Wachovia here in
1:00:32Macon yes
1:00:35is do you buy your uh stuff at Walmart
1:00:37with this Visa card no oh how do you
1:00:41usually pay for stuff at Walmart with
1:00:43cash
1:00:45do you have a job no why do you get cash
1:00:50student loans so you're just living off
1:00:53your student loans yes
1:01:04so you hadn't worked like a job in a
1:01:07while no
1:01:12are you planning on getting a job yes
1:01:18I mean because your lungs are going to
1:01:19run out sooner or later right yes
1:01:29and how long you got left to finish your
1:01:31school up are you finished completely
1:01:33yes
1:01:35why don't you plan on moving out of that
1:01:37apartment
1:01:39on July 15th where you plan on uh
1:01:44going when you move out back to my
1:01:47parents and where is that at Lilburn
1:01:56do you even know your mother's phone
1:01:58number
1:01:59I know the home phone number what's that
1:02:01what's the area code over there 770 uh
1:02:04three eight one uh-huh five zero three
1:02:08one
1:02:09what's your mother's line Glenda
1:02:16has she ever had a drug problem
1:02:18no
1:02:20she's been home your whole entire life
1:02:21raising you
1:02:23mostly where was she when she was mostly
1:02:26raising you preschool oh she has school
1:02:29teacher as well yes
1:02:43do you know how
1:02:45I've already told you that there was a
1:02:47body discovered right in the trash
1:02:49containers over there
1:02:52near your apartment
1:02:55do you know how that body got in the
1:02:57trash can no
1:03:02do you have any black trash bags in your
1:03:04apartment like uh
1:03:06that you use for trash no
1:03:10do you can you help me do you know where
1:03:12any black trash bags are in that
1:03:14apartment complex
1:03:16have you ever seen any around
1:03:18has someone been over there cleaning up
1:03:20or
1:03:23have you ever seen anybody painting an
1:03:25apartment
1:03:26have you seen any painters because
1:03:28you're home most of the day right yes
1:03:31have you seen any of that no
1:03:34do you know when the garbage man usually
1:03:35comes over there no
1:03:39do you know anything
1:03:41yes what do you know
1:03:44I asked you for help what do you know
1:03:47you haven't provided me with nothing
1:03:51I mean
1:03:52when's the last time you were in that
1:03:54laundry room
1:03:55Apartments last night what were you
1:03:59doing last night Luke and I were looking
1:04:01for Lauren a job see anything unusual or
1:04:05out of place no
1:04:07okay there was one washer that had
1:04:10clothes in it whose clothes were lady
1:04:12you know Luke said they looked like a
1:04:15guy's clothes
1:04:16but you didn't look in the machine I
1:04:20didn't look into Taylor
1:04:30what kind of knife did you have on you
1:04:32tonight
1:04:33a little throwing knife
1:04:35where'd you have it on your front pocket
1:04:37yes
1:04:42do you own any saws or
1:04:46anything like that no
1:04:49there's not anything in your car is
1:04:51there no in the trunk or anything
1:04:55no when's the last time you've actually
1:04:57drove your car
1:05:00like went somewhere in the car
1:05:05a few days all right today's
1:05:08was now Friday but yesterday was
1:05:12Thursday that's when you met me yes have
1:05:15you drove driven your car this week at
1:05:17all yes what day
1:05:21you don't remember
1:05:24what do you remember about your car
1:05:27I drove to Kroger
1:05:29in bagansville
1:05:31across the river
1:05:33when when do you think that might have
1:05:35been
1:05:37I don't remember
1:05:39you don't remember
1:05:49why would you go to Kroger
1:05:51to get something what
1:05:54dinner
1:05:55you got a lot of food in your house
1:05:57right yes
1:06:00what day do you think that might have
1:06:02been
1:06:05was it over the weekend
1:06:07no
1:06:08was it Monday
1:06:11I don't think so was it Tuesday
1:06:15I don't think so what day would you
1:06:16think it was if you had to pick a day
1:06:19what day was you hungry on
1:06:28Wednesday maybe
1:06:30Wednesday
1:06:33you don't remember what you bought
1:06:37dinner frozen dinner
1:06:39kind of like the frozen section
1:06:41microwave dinner
1:06:43no
1:06:48Frozen thing you cook in the oven yes
1:06:52okay did you go over there by yourself
1:06:53yes
1:06:57did you go anywhere else at night
1:07:00yeah that day just during the program
1:07:02and then you came home
1:07:04yes
1:07:05would you go anywhere this week like
1:07:08I don't know shopping at the mall or
1:07:11looking at guns and ANZ or
1:07:15you go anywhere else no
1:07:18when's the last time you cleaned your
1:07:19car
1:07:21I haven't since I got it back where'd
1:07:24you get it back from my parents and how
1:07:28would they have it for their van was in
1:07:30a wreck
1:07:33so what they do come get your car or yes
1:07:37so they came to Macon got your car and
1:07:40then left the wreck was down here
1:07:43oh and make them yes so they were
1:07:46staying with you when they were in the
1:07:48wreck no
1:07:51well what were they doing to make them
1:07:53the van was going to be worked on here
1:07:56in Macon yes well where's the van at now
1:07:59do they got it back it was totaled
1:08:04so they were in Macon and they get they
1:08:06were in a wrecking making my mom was
1:08:10and she was down here in Macon because
1:08:14the air conditioner was malfunctioning
1:08:17why was she a Macon though
1:08:19because there's a place in Macon that's
1:08:22the best at air conditioning repair and
1:08:25you told her
1:08:26about to come down and making to get our
1:08:28air conditioners fixed no
1:08:31well how do you know that
1:08:32she told me oh
1:08:35so she just drove the bacon to get her
1:08:36air conditioner fixed yes she was in a
1:08:39wreck yes totaled out her car her van
1:08:42yes
1:08:44until she came to your house to get your
1:08:46car
1:08:47I drove her back
1:08:49I was following
1:08:54he drove her back to where to my
1:08:56apartment
1:08:57where was the van
1:08:59it was towed
1:09:01okay because it's told she's to stay at
1:09:04your apartment spend the night with you
1:09:05no
1:09:07she stayed just a few minutes and leave
1:09:09or what
1:09:10she stayed about an hour
1:09:13when's the last time you talked to your
1:09:15mother Glenda
1:09:16I don't remember it's been a while
1:09:20it's been a few days
1:09:22do you call her every day no you don't
1:09:26check on the kids
1:09:27no
1:09:33show me that scratch again that you
1:09:35showed me earlier that was it a
1:09:40what would you say happened there
1:09:42I think I scratched myself in my sleep
1:09:46oh
1:09:48foreign
1:09:51are you gonna be able to help me with
1:09:52this case or not because I need to tell
1:09:54the parent something huh I don't know
1:10:00you don't know what you don't know what
1:10:02happened
1:10:04why don't you know if you can help
1:10:06because I don't know if I know what you
1:10:08need
1:10:10I need to know
1:10:12if you know where Lauren's at or do you
1:10:16know who took alarm I don't you told me
1:10:18that if you were working the case you
1:10:20would think somebody would take her when
1:10:21she was running
1:10:23why would you say that when we looked in
1:10:26her apartment there was no sign that was
1:10:28broken into
1:10:33okay so you're figuring something I
1:10:35might have took her while she was out
1:10:36running
1:10:38yeah what's up what you're saying
1:10:40did you see her go running this weekend
1:10:42at all no well that would help if you
1:10:45did
1:10:47what time did she normally run on at
1:10:49night or daytime
1:10:51can you at least tell me that
1:10:53I don't know did she like to run in the
1:10:57early morning or the late night
1:10:59the last time I saw her was Midday like
1:11:03noonish yes okay
1:11:07okay she was going running when I was
1:11:08coming back from bar prep
1:11:12it's that been a while
1:11:13two or three weeks
1:11:18okay she speak to you no
1:11:22you just just saw her outrun I was in my
1:11:26car
1:11:28well did you see her when you were like
1:11:30pulling in the parking lot or you just
1:11:32saw her running down the road
1:11:35was she outside her apartment getting
1:11:37ready to go run or was she already
1:11:39running at the time you saw her already
1:11:41running okay she was about running by
1:11:44herself yes she didn't have a dog with
1:11:46her didn't she no
1:11:52did you get along with everybody when
1:11:54you worked down with the District
1:11:55Attorney's Office yes no problems no
1:11:59do you like doing what you
1:12:02used to do down there or what yes
1:12:10who did you work for I mean who was your
1:12:13help out everybody or you're assigned to
1:12:16just
1:12:18a certain person
1:12:19mainly Jonathan Adams
1:12:23okay how long did you work down there
1:12:26spring semester
1:12:28and you enjoy doing that kind of work
1:12:30yes so you should be able to help me
1:12:33right yes because you're on our side
1:12:36right yes all right
1:12:39what do you think I need to do
1:12:41I don't know there we go again with that
1:12:44I don't know
1:12:45come on now you can give me some advice
1:12:49right
1:12:51you can't give me some advice
1:12:56or what I should do next
1:12:59huh
1:13:04you can't tell me what you think I
1:13:06should do next
1:13:08I don't know well we found a body
1:13:12I'll tell the apartment right we know
1:13:15that right yes
1:13:17you saying you
1:13:19didn't hear or see anything like the
1:13:22whole time you've been there over the
1:13:23weekend right right we've talked to you
1:13:25right right we've taught the most of all
1:13:29her friends is there anybody else we
1:13:31need to talk to
1:13:32that you might know that we didn't
1:13:38let's talk about the apartment complex
1:13:40anybody in that complex anybody else we
1:13:42need to talk to
1:13:46talk to
1:13:59who lives below you
1:14:01an older woman and her son were they
1:14:04home tonight or today
1:14:07I don't know you didn't see him no
1:14:11do you ever see him yes
1:14:17but you don't know if they were home
1:14:19today yeah
1:14:21she doesn't have a car
1:14:24so it's really hard to tell if they're
1:14:26home yes you ever talk to her yes
1:14:32does she work anywhere
1:14:34I don't know
1:14:36do you ever get tired of saying I don't
1:14:38know
1:14:42hmm
1:14:45[Music]
1:14:48what else you got in your wallet there
1:14:50brother
1:14:52my bear card
1:14:54what's that used for
1:14:55to get into the building
1:15:01what else you got
1:15:02my bank card
1:15:07my Kroger card
1:15:09is that the car you use it growing yes
1:15:19come on right down this number
1:15:23since you don't know the last time you
1:15:25were there
1:15:26I'm assuming you used your card when you
1:15:29were there yes right
1:15:33I always use my card
1:15:35that's what I'm gonna write down another
1:15:42you can remember that you always use
1:15:44your card but you can't remember last
1:15:45time you were there
1:15:47I always use my card well what if you
1:15:49didn't use them
1:15:52what else you got in there
1:15:55my borders card
1:16:07ink cart
1:16:13my ID
1:16:21what's that
1:16:24voter registration
1:16:29what's up Mercer what's up Mercer lock
1:16:32have card what's that use a free camera
1:16:34at home oh that's just the phone numbers
1:16:36for cab companies
1:16:39here in Monica come on what's that car
1:16:42right there
1:16:46Can't Stop
1:16:51no phone numbers or anything
1:16:55um
1:17:03okay put your money back up in there
1:17:06it's a hundred dollar bill up over there
1:17:08what do you roll with all that money
1:17:10you're fighting for my granddaddy gave
1:17:12it to me
1:17:24do you take any medication no
1:17:27have you ever taken any medication no
1:17:31do you have any kind of mental problem
1:17:32no
1:17:42you know what's crazy I was talking to
1:17:45people that he works with and everything
1:17:46they talk about height he's always
1:17:48expresses himself he don't know he's
1:17:51vague talkative didn't they say you're
1:17:52so talkative buddy that you always so
1:17:55friendly you stop in and say hello and
1:17:57you talk why is it that you're acting so
1:18:00short with us tonight if you if you have
1:18:02all this captain of Personality about
1:18:04you why is it that everything that we
1:18:06get from you is yes nor I don't know
1:18:09I don't know
1:18:12were you sure we're talking to the media
1:18:14tonight
1:18:15weren't you
1:18:19they asked what happened yeah that's
1:18:21what we're asking you what happened
1:18:22what'd you tell them
1:18:24I told them you just knew that you
1:18:26didn't know
1:18:29hmm
1:18:32do you drink at all do you drink beer no
1:18:37well at least I gotta know stuff I don't
1:18:40know
1:18:45Stephen
1:18:49you know
1:18:53we had to go to our best resources when
1:18:56we're trying to do anything
1:18:58you know it's kind of like the guy who
1:18:59wants to get his oil changed he goes to
1:19:01Jiffy Lube
1:19:02you know what I'm saying we're looking
1:19:04for Lauren and you said you were her
1:19:06friend
1:19:07on to her friend yes y'all good friends
1:19:10yes how good of friends are y'all
1:19:13for your friends like how do the France
1:19:20you don't understand
1:19:22you don't understand how good a friend's
1:19:24all are
1:19:26you don't understand what you're asking
1:19:28how good of friends are y'all
1:19:30we're friends
1:19:32are y'all close friends oh yeah just
1:19:35acquaintances
1:19:38um not study I mean how good of friends
1:19:41y'all
1:19:42we're friends I got really good friends
1:19:46I don't know you don't know how do you
1:19:50not know if you're not a really good
1:19:51friend let me ask you this
1:19:53maybe you're saying that because you
1:19:55don't know how she feels about you
1:19:58how do you feel about her do you
1:20:00consider her a really good friend
1:20:04she's a friend
1:20:06but not a really good friend
1:20:10you don't know how do you not know
1:20:12I don't know what you mean by really
1:20:14good
1:20:17are y'all really close
1:20:19no no you're not no so y'all you never
1:20:23told her in your personal business no
1:20:26she ever tell you any of hers
1:20:28no
1:20:30you ever see her upset
1:20:32no she was always a happy person wasn't
1:20:35she yes
1:20:45why are you acting like this Stephen
1:20:50you see how I'm able to talk in complete
1:20:52sentences
1:20:55like we're having a conversation but the
1:20:57only thing you're bringing to the table
1:20:58is a yes no or I don't know
1:21:05why is that Stephen
1:21:09I don't understand I don't understand
1:21:13what don't you understand
1:21:17I want to be able to help you to commit
1:21:18to be able to communicate with me better
1:21:20than that Stephen
1:21:22I feel like we can help each other
1:21:31Stephen did you hurt that girl no
1:21:37do you know where she's at no
1:21:42would you tell me if you did yes
1:21:55have you lied to me at all in this
1:21:57interview
1:21:58no
1:21:59yes you have Stephen
1:22:03you says you have
1:22:06when you say you don't know
1:22:08when the last time you cleaned your
1:22:10bathroom is
1:22:13that's a lie
1:22:16when you say you don't know the last
1:22:18time
1:22:19you saw her coming out of her apartment
1:22:21and you don't notice whether or not she
1:22:22comes in and out
1:22:25that's another lie
1:22:27your door is only a few feet from hers
1:22:34you've told some lies in this interview
1:22:36Stephen
1:22:40without a doubt
1:22:43when was the last time you did laundry
1:22:46a few weeks ago you ain't washed clothes
1:22:48in a few weeks
1:22:50yeah why
1:22:53a lot of clothes no you don't that's
1:22:55another lie
1:23:02that's right that's three lives Steven
1:23:05you don't have a lot of clothes
1:23:07yes I do nope
1:23:13you got enough underwear to last you
1:23:15three weeks
1:23:16yes
1:23:19do you wear the same pad underwear more
1:23:20than one day
1:23:21yes
1:23:24why
1:23:26because it's so clean enough to wear
1:23:35Steven I appreciate you coming down here
1:23:37today
1:23:38I'm talking to us okay
1:23:40I appreciate you cooperating with us and
1:23:44and helping us along
1:23:46but you've lied to me about at least
1:23:49three things in this interview
1:23:52and people don't lie on us they got
1:23:53something to hide
1:23:55why would you lie to me Stephen
1:23:58I didn't lie
1:23:59sure you did
1:24:01you said you don't even notice when she
1:24:03comes in and out of her apartment
1:24:05that's a lie Steven
1:24:08I said I didn't remember the last time
1:24:11have you ever watched her going to our
1:24:13apartment no you never how long y'all
1:24:15been neighbors three years three years
1:24:18you've never watched her walk through
1:24:20her front door
1:24:21yes
1:24:24five six I said you ever watched her
1:24:26walk into apartment you said no
1:24:33so I'm gonna ask you again if you ever
1:24:34watched her walk into our apartment yes
1:24:39when was the last time
1:24:42a long time ago how long
1:24:45before graduation it's been that long
1:24:48and you graduated when
1:24:50in May
1:24:56beginning of May into May in the middle
1:25:00and you hadn't seen her walking her
1:25:02apartment since
1:25:04did you ever help her carry up groceries
1:25:06and stuff like that no
1:25:08no
1:25:10you have a helper care laundry
1:25:13no
1:25:16she's never needed your help with
1:25:18anything
1:25:19she asked for help with the computer
1:25:22you have all for help with her for
1:25:24anything K and stuff or anything like
1:25:26that
1:25:27yes like what Stephen
1:25:29when she was moving out during the first
1:25:32summer
1:25:34what did you do
1:25:36she needed help moving stuff to her car
1:25:39and you helped her yes so you went and
1:25:42out of her apartment moving stuff yes
1:25:47how long did you help her
1:25:50few minutes that's it yes do you realize
1:25:54how you're talking right now does it not
1:25:56feel weird to you
1:25:57no
1:25:59would you say that this is how you talk
1:26:02all the time
1:26:04I don't understand
1:26:08you're just not expressing yourself at
1:26:11all everything's with you is yes no
1:26:15I don't remember I don't understand
1:26:22you can't help me out with anything you
1:26:24there's nothing you can tell me to help
1:26:26me about this
1:26:27beautiful girl right here Stephen that
1:26:29was your friend
1:26:33nothing you gonna let things go down
1:26:35like this
1:26:39I don't know what you want I want the
1:26:42truth Stephen
1:26:44I don't know where she is
1:26:46let me ask you this you I truly believe
1:26:49you don't know where she is right now
1:26:53where was she yesterday
1:26:56I don't know liar
1:27:08that's right
1:27:11you're lying
1:27:18why are you lying Stephen
1:27:21yes you are lying
1:27:23how long do you continue to do it she's
1:27:26got a mother and a father and a family
1:27:27out there that is sick over everything
1:27:31where's that little girl Stephen
1:27:34I don't know Steven you know
1:27:39where
1:27:41I don't know Steve
1:27:44you're going to look at this right here
1:27:46at this little girl right here
1:27:48and you're gonna say you don't know I
1:27:51know you know
1:27:53I don't know yes you know what are you
1:27:55gonna say tomorrow when I say we got
1:27:57your hair with the body
1:28:00what are you gonna say to me then
1:28:04because you know like I go like that
1:28:07look at my hair
1:28:09that's how easy it falls out look at all
1:28:12that on your head you don't think
1:28:14nothing fell out it did
1:28:20it did Stephen
1:28:24we just want to give you an opportunity
1:28:26to tell it
1:28:28so you didn't look like a monster at the
1:28:30end because you know what I don't
1:28:31believe that you're a monster Stephen
1:28:34I believe that you're a good guy you've
1:28:36been picked on girls didn't show you the
1:28:38respect that you deserved you did
1:28:40something stupid and I believe you feel
1:28:43bad about it and that's why y'all
1:28:45freaked out right now
1:28:47but I'm giving you the opportunity to
1:28:49get right
1:28:50I've given you an opportunity to show
1:28:53everybody you're not a monster that you
1:28:55feel bad about what happened your hands
1:28:58there man
1:29:00your hair is there
1:29:02we got your head with the body
1:29:05how is that Stephen
1:29:07I don't know yes you do know
1:29:13yes you do know Stephen
1:29:19that's right buddy see that
1:29:24look at it
1:29:29see how easy
1:29:34it happens and it happened to you
1:29:39why Stephen
1:29:43I don't understand oh you understand
1:29:47you understand exactly what I'm saying
1:29:50see this stuff right here your hair
1:29:52yeah get that out of your head when you
1:29:55was moving the body Stephen
1:30:02that's right
1:30:04do you remember moving the body
1:30:07yeah yes you do Stephen
1:30:14why man
1:30:17what happened
1:30:20why
1:30:25tell me bud
1:30:27I didn't do it yes you did Stephen your
1:30:30heads with the body quit lying
1:30:35we want you to tell it so that way
1:30:37people are understanding you're not a
1:30:38monster things just you got out of
1:30:40control it's a sickness
1:30:47why'd you do it Stephen
1:30:50why are you gonna keep telling that
1:30:55you heard that girl no yes you did
1:30:58Stephen
1:31:02you heard her man
1:31:05she was screaming
1:31:08screaming Stephen
1:31:11why
1:31:13and I know you feel bad about it
1:31:17I could see it in your face
1:31:20what came over you man
1:31:25what happened Stephen
1:31:27oh no
1:31:29I know you don't know
1:31:31you can't you couldn't control it could
1:31:33you
1:31:34I didn't do it
1:31:36Stephen
1:31:38how long are we going to continue to do
1:31:40this
1:31:41you did
1:31:43why is what I want to know
1:31:45I didn't do it
1:31:51Stephen you hurt that girl man
1:31:54and you got on the news today
1:31:57that's right
1:31:58you know what you been talking like this
1:32:00on the news buddy
1:32:09you hurt this girl
1:32:11no idea yes you did
1:32:15you hurt that girl
1:32:22[Music]
1:32:31why'd you hurt her Steven
1:32:33you heard that girl did you try to make
1:32:36her have sex with you I didn't call it
1:32:39who did it they got your hair they steal
1:32:44your hair and take it over there
1:32:49Stephen they steal your hair
1:32:55they didn't did they
1:33:00did they Stephen
1:33:04that's right it's all sinking in right
1:33:07now
1:33:09he knows is what you're thinking
1:33:12Stephen I don't want it to be a game
1:33:14between me and you
1:33:18I know it hurts and I know you're not an
1:33:20awful person and you want to tell it
1:33:22your hair was there Stephen
1:33:25we've all known it all along
1:33:29we wanted just to give you an
1:33:31opportunity to tell what happened
1:33:36y'all have sex
1:33:38no
1:33:40to try to have sex
1:33:42no
1:33:43you think about having sex
1:33:46no liar
1:33:49kind of man didn't think about having
1:33:50sex
1:33:56you said earlier you like girls right
1:33:58yes you said she's a pretty girl right
1:34:01yes
1:34:02what'd you do to her Steven I didn't do
1:34:05anything you're lying you hurt that girl
1:34:08no I didn't sure it didn't that's why
1:34:10you're having this massive meltdown
1:34:12right now
1:34:13because you can't live with yourself can
1:34:15you
1:34:16it's overwhelming you isn't it
1:34:19tell the truth Stephen
1:34:21I didn't do it who did it I don't know
1:34:24yes you do Stephen
1:34:42why
1:34:46why did you hear that girl I didn't
1:34:50why'd you heard of Steve I didn't
1:35:07you hurt that girl now I'm sure you did
1:35:12you know it and I know it
1:35:15you just don't want to tell it Stephen
1:35:18but that's okay I know it I just want to
1:35:21give you an opportunity to tell it
1:35:23so people didn't think you were a
1:35:25monster
1:35:30you're not a monster are you Stephen no
1:35:36I know buddy
1:35:39I know you're not a monster
1:35:42tell me what happened
1:35:45I don't know you tried to have sex with
1:35:48her no she didn't want to have sex with
1:35:50you
1:35:51I didn't do it she didn't want to have
1:35:53sex with you Steve
1:35:55I don't know you don't know if she
1:35:57wanted to have sex with you
1:35:59I didn't do anything yes you did Steve
1:36:08she went into her apartment Stephen
1:36:13and you hurt that girl no I didn't
1:36:19you did Buddy
1:36:24you heard her Steven
1:36:26no I didn't
1:36:28they did
1:36:30[Music]
1:36:33why won't you tell me Stephen
1:36:36I didn't do it
1:36:47we'll take this from me you don't
1:36:48deserve to look at it
1:36:51just stay right here okay
1:36:52okay
1:36:55I appreciate all your cooperation
1:36:57tonight okay
1:36:59okay
1:42:15oh
1:42:17all right we're getting ready to go I
1:42:20just need to discuss a few more things
1:42:21with you
1:42:23you know the reason why we're down here
1:42:25is because Lauren's missing right yeah I
1:42:28just need you
1:42:30to please tell me
1:42:33[Music]
1:42:35give me a
1:42:37where you I know earlier today you told
1:42:39me you stayed home all weekend right in
1:42:41your apartment yes
1:42:46and uh
1:42:49did anybody see you
1:42:51did you talk to anybody over the weekend
1:42:53were you on your computer all weekend is
1:42:56there anything I can look at
1:42:59that I can say
1:43:02he couldn't be involved because he was
1:43:05on the computer
1:43:07or he was online on a porn site or
1:43:11he was online doing College work or
1:43:15anything
1:43:16that would exclude you as being involved
1:43:19altogether I mean
1:43:21did anybody see you this weekend at the
1:43:23house
1:43:24did you go out to get a newspaper
1:43:28did you wave to a neighbor or just
1:43:31locked yourself in all week yes nobody
1:43:34saw you no
1:43:36I mean wouldn't you just stay in the
1:43:38house all day yes I mean what do you do
1:43:41all day in the house
1:43:43play video games by yourself yes
1:43:47you never talk to anybody on the phone
1:43:49or anything if they call me well who
1:43:53called you
1:43:55Aaron
1:43:56I mean you've always done that your
1:43:58whole life you don't have no friends
1:44:01how can you go your own life without a
1:44:03friend
1:44:04I have friends we're there
1:44:09huh
1:44:11where they at
1:44:16you have any friends here making yes
1:44:18name one because everybody I talked to
1:44:20said they ain't your friend Ryan Granger
1:44:24Cass Lawson
1:44:25Ashley Morehouse
1:44:28the same people I talked to today and
1:44:31they're not your friend
1:44:34okay
1:44:37for not your friend
1:44:44I mean
1:44:47it's all over anyways
1:44:51I just want to know what was going on
1:44:52tonight
1:44:56the game's over I mean
1:45:00we know what you did to her so we just
1:45:02want to know what you
1:45:04if you're gonna tell us or not I didn't
1:45:06do anything
1:45:08that's what you say
1:45:11but we know different so you're [ __ ]
1:45:13either way
1:45:17you're [ __ ]
1:45:21we already know
1:45:26and everybody out there all your friends
1:45:27know that you're down here
1:45:29because of what happened alarm
1:45:32so all those friends that you thought
1:45:34you had are not your friends anymore
1:45:40okay there'll be no more video games
1:45:44all right
1:45:49oh
1:45:52This Is the End
1:45:55is there anything you want to say
1:45:57didn't do anything well that's what you
1:46:00say
1:46:03that's what you said stick to your story
1:46:07because it's over we're tired of talking
1:46:10to you
1:46:13okay we know you killed her
1:46:16we know you put her body in the trash
1:46:18can
1:46:20simple as that
1:46:24news media knows it
1:46:26Glenda knows that your mother
1:46:29your sister knows it
1:46:31your sister's husband knows the one that
1:46:34used to beat your sister he knows it
1:46:38you know what he said
1:46:41he's a crazy [ __ ] that's what he
1:46:43said
1:46:44what I call him
1:46:47that's your old family calling you crazy
1:46:53your old family said you're crazy
1:47:04nobody wants to see you
1:47:07nobody's coming to visit you
1:47:13so you can sit there with that dumb look
1:47:15on your face
1:47:16this over
1:47:20you enjoyed yourself and it's all over
1:47:22now
1:47:25okay
1:47:28anything you want to say I don't know
1:47:31I didn't do anything well that's what
1:47:34you say
1:47:35but I'm telling you you did
1:47:38okay simple as that you're not in charge
1:47:41I am
1:47:44I just took it away from you
1:47:47that's one thing you can't change
1:47:48brother
1:47:50you can't change that
1:47:53will no longer in charge of anything
1:48:02okay
1:48:03you understand that
1:48:12yeah
1:48:13talk to Glenda
1:48:16she's crying
1:48:24she's supposed to be coming down there
1:48:30I told my whole story
1:48:35they told me what you used to tell them
1:48:37about your next door neighbor too
1:48:44yeah
1:48:46what what you can't say nothing now
1:48:50you're speechless
1:48:52hmm
1:48:55yeah she should be in a little bit
1:49:00I promised her I'd let her see you and
1:49:02the kids I don't know if she's bringing
1:49:03them all or not before you go on down
1:49:06all right
1:49:09okay
1:49:10I didn't do anything doesn't matter what
1:49:12you think you did
1:49:15doesn't matter it's what I can prove
1:49:18okay
1:49:22okay Mr Smarty Pants
1:49:25hmm
1:49:29promised her I'll let her see you so I'm
1:49:31waiting on them to get out here
1:49:34all right
1:49:41okay
1:49:43I'm taking glinda's statement about what
1:49:45you should tell her about your neighbor
1:49:50about what you tell me about your guns
1:49:52and your knives and your sister's
1:49:55husbands coming
1:49:57because he said you crazy
1:50:03your sister is married still right
1:50:05yes
1:50:07he used to beat her back in the day
1:50:09huh
1:50:15well you sit there and think about it
1:50:16for a little bit okay
1:50:21got plenty of time to think now don't
1:50:23you
1:50:25hmm
1:50:28yeah
1:50:30got plenty of time with that you thought
1:50:33you were smarter than everybody else but
1:50:34you're not
1:50:38you're not
1:50:42the sad thing about it is you probably
1:50:43could have made something with your life
1:50:46you chose a different route because one
1:50:49you don't have a girlfriend and two
1:50:52you're never gonna get a girlfriend
1:51:06I'm listening
1:51:09I'm all ears
1:51:12know what you want me to say
1:51:15I want you to say nothing
1:51:18you're [ __ ] either way
1:51:23do you understand that
1:51:25I didn't do anything
1:51:27that's what you that's your salad story
1:51:36that's yourselves story
1:51:41foreign
1:51:46works both ways brother
1:51:50's birthplace
1:51:53ain't gonna be no more yellow
1:51:55ain't nobody gonna yell at you
1:51:58they're gonna come in here and cry and
1:52:01kiss you goodbye
1:52:03I'm gonna take their steak man and it's
1:52:06all over
1:52:10you do understand that right
1:52:13I didn't do anything that's what you say
1:52:19that's what you say
1:52:21because you haven't told us anything
1:52:30do you realize what I'm telling you
1:52:35well
1:52:39okay well you sit there and think about
1:52:41it a little bit okay
1:52:42I'll come back and check on you
1:52:58I thought you were smarter than
1:53:00everybody
1:53:03[ __ ] up
1:53:07[ __ ] up
1:53:09somebody always leaves something in a
1:53:11crime scene
1:53:13[ __ ] up
1:53:22I [ __ ] it up
1:53:26first I didn't really believe you had
1:53:28anything to do with it
1:53:35he said man it could have been him he
1:53:37used to work down the DA's office with
1:53:39us he's a good guy
1:53:41he used to help us out friendly guy and
1:53:44everything
1:53:46couldn't be him he could have done
1:53:47something like that
1:53:57foreign
1:54:05talking to you
1:54:08just waiting for them to come visit you
1:54:15are you through with your little show
1:54:16you've been putting on all day
1:54:18huh
1:54:21how are you doing
1:54:24hmm
1:54:28you're not gonna win
1:54:31too much evidence
1:54:35too much evidence
1:54:45appreciate you talking to me though just
1:54:47hang tight little glad to be out here in
1:54:49a minute
1:54:50all these will take her to drive down to
1:54:52the interstate
1:54:57okay
1:55:00foreign
1:59:37foreign
2:00:56people

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