The Journey To Recover Dave Jonsson and Raven Rivera — Transcript

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1. 0:00Okay.
2. 0:00>> Hey, everybody. Welcome. This is uh Dave
3. 0:03here and I'm joined by my really good
4. 0:05friend Raven. Bro, how are you doing?
5. 0:08>> I'm doing good, healing up. Feels good.
6. 0:11>> Yeah, we're going to get into your story
7. 0:13in a moment. Give us a little bit about
8. 0:14where are you right now? Where Where in
9. 0:15the world are you?
10. 0:17>> I am in Pennsylvania right now uh at my
11. 0:19parents' house for the next 2 months to
12. 0:21heal up in outpatient recovery before I
13. 0:24return back to you know my normal life
14. 0:26in South Carolina for right now.
15. 0:29>> Come on, man. And uh man, I've I've met
16. 0:31you a few times at the skate conferences
17. 0:34and um you're honestly an inspiration of
18. 0:37faith and as someone who skates and
19. 0:40really has multiple disciplines,
20. 0:42surfing, skateboarding. We're going to
21. 0:43hear more about your story in a moment.
22. 0:46Um I want to cast up some vision for our
23. 0:48time together. I've written a book
24. 0:50called Recover.
25. 0:52And we Sometimes when we think of
26. 0:53recovery, we immediately think of AA or
27. 0:55we think of like kind of drugs and
28. 0:57alcohol.
29. 0:58But the journey of recovery is really a
30. 1:02time where we lose our cover and I'm
31. 1:05going to explain that in a moment and we
32. 1:07are trying to regain it. We are
33. 1:09recovering.
34. 1:10And um so, I'm going to say a word of
35. 1:12prayer and then Raven, I'm super honored
36. 1:14to get to have this conversation with
37. 1:15you and to talk through recovery and
38. 1:17what it looks like and how that's um
39. 1:19happening in your life. And so, let's
40. 1:20just pray together. Can't wait to get
41. 1:22into the content. So, God, I just thank
42. 1:23you so much for Raven. Thank you that
43. 1:25before the creation of the world, you
44. 1:27thought of him, you knew him. And Lord,
45. 1:29you are knitting a story that is uh I
46. 1:32know for your glory and his great joy.
47. 1:35Lord, I pray for anybody who's listening
48. 1:36right now who may be going through
49. 1:38recovery, whether it's physical,
50. 1:39emotional,
51. 1:40spiritual. Lord, I pray in Jesus' mighty
52. 1:43name, Father God, that we would recover
53. 1:45well.
54. 1:46And um and Lord, that you bless this
55. 1:48conversation in Jesus' name.
56. 1:50Amen.
57. 1:51So, Raven, let me um share with you a
58. 1:53little bit about how I got this idea and
59. 1:55and um
60. 1:57So, I in the last like three or four
61. 1:59months a lot of my friends have been
62. 2:02undergoing recovery, specifically
63. 2:04physical recovery. And you know me,
64. 2:07uh I'm a pro skateboarder and I attend a
65. 2:09lot of skate contests and one of the
66. 2:11things that you're constantly
67. 2:13encountering
68. 2:14is as a pro skateboarder either you're
69. 2:16in recovery yourself from an injury
70. 2:19or you have a close friend who is also
71. 2:21in or who is in recovery because it's
72. 2:23just the way that we
73. 2:24we kind of live. And um so as someone
74. 2:27who
75. 2:28is hopefully pushing out content that
76. 2:30helps people, I began thinking and I
77. 2:32started to feel really called from the
78. 2:34Lord to
79. 2:35you know, to speak to this this
80. 2:37uh let's just say this this um
81. 2:40this topic, recovery, which has a
82. 2:43million books already. Like why would I
83. 2:45why would I contribute to something that
84. 2:47a body of work that already has already
85. 2:49a thousand books?
86. 2:51When I but started to realize that
87. 2:53actually the simplicity of the word
88. 2:56recover
89. 2:57I when I looked online, there wasn't a
90. 3:00book that connected the dots
91. 3:03with this idea that you and I we really
92. 3:06appreciate cover. That is to say we got
93. 3:08our skin covered.
94. 3:10Uh
95. 3:11when we're healthy, we got our areas of
96. 3:14influence covered, we got our work
97. 3:15covered, we got our bills covered.
98. 3:18Uh we like cover actually. Uh
99. 3:20skateboarders, when it rains, guess
100. 3:22what? We want cover.
101. 3:24And
102. 3:26but there are times where we lose our
103. 3:27cover.
104. 3:28Specifically, maybe our skin ruptures
105. 3:30and guess what? We now we're seeing
106. 3:32muscle, we're seeing tendons. Well,
107. 3:34that's not good. Right?
108. 3:36Or something happens emotionally in our
109. 3:38lives
110. 3:39there's a rupture and guess what? Now
111. 3:41we're no longer able to go to work.
112. 3:43Or we have anxiety and now literally we
113. 3:46need to get someone to cover our shift.
114. 3:50And so I began thinking and meditating
115. 3:52on this idea a lot. And you know what? I
116. 3:53started reading the scriptures.
117. 3:55And bro,
118. 3:57this idea
119. 3:58started blowing my mind. Even Genesis
120. 4:01chapter 2 and 3.
121. 4:04Adam and Eve,
122. 4:06they sin.
123. 4:07And the first thing that they look for
124. 4:10is to cover.
125. 4:12They try to make with fig leaves
126. 4:16>> Yeah.
127. 4:16>> Then I
128. 4:17Then I started thinking about Job, if
129. 4:19you remember.
130. 4:20A guy who goes through the greatest
131. 4:22journey of recovery in the Bible. Well,
132. 4:25if you remember,
133. 4:27how does that story start? It says that
134. 4:28Lucifer or Satan
135. 4:31goes before God. And he you know what
136. 4:32the question he asked him? He says this.
137. 4:34He says,
138. 4:36"If you remove your hedge of protection
139. 4:38or cover over Job, he will you're going
140. 4:41to find out what's underneath. He's
141. 4:42going to curse you to your face."
142. 4:45And so Job's story is literally a whole
143. 4:47story about a man who lost his spiritual
144. 4:50covering.
145. 4:52And in so doing, he lost his family. His
146. 4:55skin became like leprous, like his
147. 4:57covering every every ounce of cover for
148. 4:59Job, gone.
149. 5:01And what was underneath, what was
150. 5:02exposed, was character.
151. 5:05And I can get into it. I mean, I can get
152. 5:07into it in into the book. You know that
153. 5:09um
154. 5:10Satan in Ex- Ezekiel 28, you know what
155. 5:13his title is in Ezekiel 28?
156. 5:16Oh oh covering angel.
157. 5:20So, what I believe is that God has
158. 5:22living veils in heaven because God's
159. 5:25essence is so pure and so holy that the
160. 5:27scriptures say that you can't look at
161. 5:29God like in the in the peak of heaven,
162. 5:31you can't see him and live.
163. 5:34So, veils are an act of mercy. And I
164. 5:36believe that Lucifer, being a
165. 5:37high-ranked angel, was somehow a
166. 5:39covering angel.
167. 5:41And so, here's here's a mind-blowing
168. 5:44thing that that I've come to believe
169. 5:45that that is that heaven is in recovery.
170. 5:49And that Jesus Christ on the cross
171. 5:53when he s- took upon the sin of the
172. 5:56world, you know what what he did is he
173. 5:58shed his blood and now whoever is
174. 6:00covered spiritually
175. 6:03by the blood of Jesus
176. 6:05has now the covering that heavenly
177. 6:07father looks down on required
178. 6:11to well, to get to heaven.
179. 6:14So, what started off is literally me
180. 6:16just writing a little book about getting
181. 6:18better
182. 6:20started
183. 6:21a whole
184. 6:23theological,
185. 6:25psychological
186. 6:27endeavor when I started to think about
187. 6:30wait a sec. When we injure ourselves
188. 6:33it's actually a time when we lose that
189. 6:36essence of cover.
190. 6:37And but here's the and that's the
191. 6:39problem, but here's the opportunity
192. 6:42is that when we lose our cover
193. 6:44it's an opportunity to to be exposed of
194. 6:47what's underneath.
195. 6:48And sometimes there's not only bacteria,
196. 6:50physical bacteria, guess what?
197. 6:52There's emotional trauma, spiritual
198. 6:55things. And so, when we are in that
199. 6:58moment of exposure
200. 7:01it's an opportunity to heal what's
201. 7:03underneath, to heal what's hidden.
202. 7:06And so, that's what I've been thinking
203. 7:07about, man. That's what I've been
204. 7:08writing about. And so, I wanted to get
205. 7:10into your story of recovery.
206. 7:13And and to kind of talk through this
207. 7:16idea together
208. 7:18your story, bro, because take us back to
209. 7:21that moment
210. 7:22where you're skating, you're on a trip,
211. 7:25you're surfing with PSA
212. 7:28Veritas skates ministries. I know his
213. 7:30crew well.
214. 7:32One day, you're you're healthy, you're
215. 7:35young, you got things covered, you know,
216. 7:38you you things are going all right.
217. 7:40And then the next thing you know, if you
218. 7:42could just lead us Raven back to kind of
219. 7:44what happened for the person who's
220. 7:47watching right now who um
221. 7:49you know, doesn't know your story.
222. 7:51Take us back to that moment, bro.
223. 7:54>> Yeah, for sure. Um it was June 27th. Um
224. 7:57and I've had a lot of crazy things
225. 7:59happen the last year. And so
226. 8:02I went down to see VSM, my friends in
227. 8:05Georgia in Brunswick, Georgia. And um
228. 8:08they were saying how they wanted to go
229. 8:09surfing that weekend. And so they would
230. 8:11we were going to hop in a van and go to
231. 8:13Jacksonville and surf. And I've only
232. 8:15been surfing a few times. I'm more of a
233. 8:16skateboarder. So, you know, I went down
234. 8:19there, we hung out, we got in the van,
235. 8:21we went to Florida.
236. 8:23And um you know, I stood up on a few
237. 8:25waves. And then there was one wave where
238. 8:29I caught it and then I fell off the
239. 8:30board.
240. 8:31And I didn't hit the bottom of the
241. 8:33ocean, didn't hit any rocks or coral
242. 8:34reefs, nothing like that. I was just
243. 8:37solely in the water floating.
244. 8:39And the waves, like water's a powerful
245. 8:41force and it kind of hyperextended my
246. 8:45back, almost like scorpion.
247. 8:47And um as a filmer and skateboarder,
248. 8:50you're always hunched forward, you know?
249. 8:52And surfing's one of those board sports
250. 8:54where you arch your back to paddle out
251. 8:56or to get up.
252. 8:57And so my back wasn't used to that. And
253. 8:59so I felt a little sore, but I kept
254. 9:01surfing.
255. 9:02And a few waves later, I stand up on the
256. 9:05board and as I'm bringing my front leg
257. 9:08up onto the board, it was like a noodle.
258. 9:11It like dragged onto the board.
259. 9:14And I remember thinking like, why does
260. 9:17my front leg feel like a thousand
261. 9:19pounds?
262. 9:20That it took everything in me to get it
263. 9:22onto the board. That was so weird. And
264. 9:24so
265. 9:25thank God I got out of the water cuz you
266. 9:28know, if I had stayed there and was
267. 9:30paralyzed in the water, like I wouldn't
268. 9:32be able to tread water or swim. I would
269. 9:34have
270. 9:35almost drowned maybe, you know?
271. 9:37Um and I was kind of far away from my
272. 9:38friends. And so,
273. 9:40I remember I was sitting there and my
274. 9:42Jake- my friend Jacob, he used to uh
275. 9:44be a part of Ride Nature. He like
276. 9:46paddled over. He's like, "Yo, you good?"
277. 9:48And I was like, "Dude, something feels
278. 9:50like really off." And um, so we paddled
279. 9:54back to shore. And, you know, I'm just
280. 9:57like trying to walk it off. And I'm
281. 9:59walking with him and I fell to the
282. 10:02floor.
283. 10:03I was like, "What's going on?" So, I
284. 10:04stand back up, no problem. Walk a little
285. 10:06bit more. I fall to the ground.
286. 10:09And then I stand back up, walk a little
287. 10:11bit more, and then I fell to the ground.
288. 10:13And then from that moment on, it was
289. 10:16like 40 It was like 45 minutes after my
290. 10:18injury, I couldn't feel or move anything
291. 10:21from the waist down.
292. 10:22And I couldn't even sit up. Like, I had
293. 10:24to use like both my hands to sit up. And
294. 10:28I looked at my friend Jacob, he thought
295. 10:29I was joking. I'm like, "Dude, for real.
296. 10:31Like, touch my leg. Like, I can't I
297. 10:32can't do anything." And so,
298. 10:35you know, I'm sitting there and I work
299. 10:37in the medical field. So, in my head,
300. 10:39I'm like, I pray this is not
301. 10:41neurological. But, in the back of my
302. 10:43head, I'm like, it probably is, you
303. 10:44know? And I'm sitting there, we called
304. 10:46the lifeguards over. They throw me on a
305. 10:48backboard and they do all their checks
306. 10:51on me. Check my reflexes in my legs,
307. 10:53nothing's moving. And I'm like, "Oh,
308. 10:56man."
309. 10:57Like, what is going on? And
310. 11:00from everything that I've experienced
311. 11:02this last year, part of me in my heart
312. 11:05knew that this was God trying to slow me
313. 11:08down to teach me something. You know?
314. 11:11Um, of course, the adrenaline was going
315. 11:12a little bit, but in my head, I'm like,
316. 11:15"This is one of my biggest fears and it
317. 11:17happens it's happening right now."
318. 11:19And, you know, all I have right now is
319. 11:23God and I just need to talk to him
320. 11:25through this whole process, you know?
321. 11:27So, you know, I go to the They throw me
322. 11:28in the ambulance and that's what I do
323. 11:30for a living. And so, it was kind of
324. 11:31like funny to be on the other end of it.
325. 11:34And uh
326. 11:36I go to the ER,
327. 11:37and
328. 11:38you know, they throw me into the MRI for
329. 11:40like 3 hours,
330. 11:42do an hour of x-rays, and they told me
331. 11:44they're like, you have surfer's
332. 11:46myelopathy. And I'm like, what is that?
333. 11:48And they're like, pretty much it's kind
334. 11:49of like when you roll your ankle and it
335. 11:51gets swollen, you rolled your spinal
336. 11:53cord, and it's swollen. And so, there's
337. 11:56no signals getting past your lower back
338. 11:58right now.
339. 11:59And they said with neurological
340. 12:01injuries, the outcome is so
341. 12:03unpredictable. But this is the crazy
342. 12:06part. They said for you to get
343. 12:08inflammation in your spine without it
344. 12:10fracturing
345. 12:12is like a 1% chance out of all spinal
346. 12:15injuries. They said that there's only
347. 12:17like 400 and something cases of it ever.
348. 12:20And that's when I was like, man, this is
349. 12:23seriously divine intervention. But also,
350. 12:25what was divine intervention was that
351. 12:27where I landed was I think the fifth
352. 12:31best spinal rehabilitation facility in
353. 12:35the country. Which is so crazy. Yeah,
354. 12:38they have technology from like Asia that
355. 12:41only three facilities in this country
356. 12:43have. And so, where I landed was like
357. 12:45super super like super super blessed. It
358. 12:48was like God knew obviously this was
359. 12:50going to happen, but also his hand was
360. 12:52there to catch me with all these other
361. 12:54factors, like where I was, the fact I
362. 12:56didn't drive there and try to drive
363. 12:57myself to the
364. 12:58to the hospital. Like that and I got out
365. 13:00of the water at the time. All the timing
366. 13:02and the the location, everything. And
367. 13:05so,
368. 13:06I remember like sitting there, and after
369. 13:09all these crazy things have happened to
370. 13:11me this past year, I really thought like
371. 13:13I was out of like God's hedge like out
372. 13:17of that covering, you know? And then
373. 13:19when this happened, obviously like my
374. 13:20human fleshly side thought that man,
375. 13:22like is God paying attention? Like does
376. 13:24he see all the stuff I went through the
377. 13:26past year, and then of course this
378. 13:28happens like what's going on? But then I
379. 13:30also thought about all the times from
380. 13:33then and now in this injury that God was
381. 13:35there to like catch me cuz it could have
382. 13:37been way worse. I could have been in the
383. 13:38middle of nowhere. I could have not had
384. 13:39friends you know, around. And so
385. 13:43I was like super super thankful for that
386. 13:45and that was like super reassuring that
387. 13:47like yeah, this happened and it sucks.
388. 13:49But
389. 13:50like God still is in control of all
390. 13:53these things cuz that was a one in a
391. 13:54million chance injury, but also it was a
392. 13:56one in a million chance I would end up
393. 13:57at this facility right down the road,
394. 14:00you know.
395. 14:01So that was what was going through my
396. 14:03head the first week at least, you know.
397. 14:05>> Um
398. 14:06>> Yeah.
399. 14:07>> So
400. 14:08the um acronym that I use for the book
401. 14:11is ruptured
402. 14:12>> Mhm.
403. 14:12>> which is the moment that
404. 14:14the skin opens
405. 14:16the spine twists. It's the rupture. It's
406. 14:19the It's the break.
407. 14:20>> Mhm.
408. 14:21>> And then E is for exposure.
409. 14:24And because well, when the skin breaks
410. 14:28the muscle's exposed or the tendons are
411. 14:30exposed.
412. 14:32In this case, it's a little different
413. 14:34where it's an internal injury or when
414. 14:36it's a multiple
415. 14:38it's a little different, but
416. 14:40nevertheless
417. 14:41what happens is that we feel exposed.
418. 14:44Oh my gosh, do we ever? Oh, I remember
419. 14:46so I was in a plane accident.
420. 14:49There was a time period where my family
421. 14:50needed to help me get to the bathroom.
422. 14:52>> Mhm.
423. 14:54>> Um talking about exposed. I felt
424. 14:56exposed. Not just that, but I felt
425. 14:59my the things, my character, who I was.
426. 15:02When you undergo that kind of stress
427. 15:05you're not in your normal routine. You
428. 15:07can't you can't muscle through things.
429. 15:11Well
430. 15:12you feel exposed.
431. 15:14>> Mhm.
432. 15:15>> Have you felt exposed in this season?
433. 15:17>> Yes.
434. 15:18Um I think a lot of skateboarders have
435. 15:21gone through this
436. 15:22That we make skateboarding like our
437. 15:25identity. And of course that fluctuates
438. 15:27up and down every day. It's not like you
439. 15:28master it one day and then you're good
440. 15:30the rest of your life. You know, some
441. 15:31weeks you might feel like
442. 15:33you're very like using it as your
443. 15:35identity and then some days where you're
444. 15:36not. And so when that happened and it
445. 15:39took my legs away, not my arms but my
446. 15:41legs,
447. 15:42that was like a very specific like
448. 15:44finger that God was like putting his
449. 15:46finger on. It was like
450. 15:48I was identifying more with like how
451. 15:51good I was getting or the tricks I was
452. 15:53able to do, stuff like that. And so when
453. 15:56that was taken away,
454. 15:57you know, and like I think when we're
455. 15:59skateboarding trying to be better, we're
456. 16:01striving for like, you know, more
457. 16:03tricks, more style, more whatever
458. 16:05without being thankful for the fact that
459. 16:06we could just even ollie or kickflip,
460. 16:09you know? And so
461. 16:11you know, I remember thinking and
462. 16:12praying to God, venting to him, being
463. 16:14like, "God, like I'd be thankful just to
464. 16:16walk with a cane the rest of my life,
465. 16:18literally, you know, and be able to like
466. 16:20use the bathroom on my own. You know,
467. 16:22that was something I I took for granted,
468. 16:24you know, and I'm out here like just
469. 16:26trying to, you know, what more can I get
470. 16:28with the tricks and stuff like that?"
471. 16:30And so when this happened, you know, um
472. 16:33my identity instantly switched to like I
473. 16:36can never skateboard again. And so like
474. 16:39what am I going to hold on to?
475. 16:41And that is definitely, you know, your
476. 16:43identity in God and
477. 16:46how he sees you, you know? Because I
478. 16:49think we want tricks so that other
479. 16:51people, obviously for fun, but so that
480. 16:53other people can look at us like a
481. 16:55higher status skater maybe. And so when
482. 16:58that's taken away, it's like who is the
483. 17:01only person or the only thing that will
484. 17:03see you just as valuable before the
485. 17:05injury? And that's God, obviously.
486. 17:07>> Just got it.
487. 17:08Right there.
488. 17:10C stands for moment of clarity. I
489. 17:12remember when I was in the plane crash
490. 17:14and my femur was broken, my knee was all
491. 17:16twisted.
492. 17:17I had to wait a couple weeks and all of
493. 17:19a sudden I went to physiotherapy. I
494. 17:20wasn't allowed to go to physiotherapy
495. 17:22for the first like I think week or no,
496. 17:24probably 2 weeks. It was like, you know,
497. 17:25your body is like too messed up. I was
498. 17:27all purple. I needed to like just my
499. 17:29body like you know, and then I but then
500. 17:32I wheeled myself into the physiotherapy.
501. 17:35And
502. 17:36when Pat, my
503. 17:38who has laid out a plan for me,
504. 17:40and and again, he didn't give me
505. 17:42certainty that I was going to get
506. 17:44better.
507. 17:45But what that was was a it was a moment
508. 17:47of clarity.
509. 17:49It was a moment where I started to begin
510. 17:51to see well, it I was far I was still in
511. 17:53the tunnel, but I could see that if I
512. 17:55was faithful with the process
513. 17:58of physiotherapy,
514. 18:00I ate right,
515. 18:01then
516. 18:02I there's a potential to get out of
517. 18:04this.
518. 18:05It's kind of like talk about surfing. I
519. 18:07remember surfing one time and I write
520. 18:08this in the book. I remember surfing in
521. 18:09Hawaii and getting myself caught up in
522. 18:11some really bad waves.
523. 18:13And I was being plummeted. I was
524. 18:15underneath the water getting hit by the
525. 18:17surfboard.
526. 18:18And I had no idea which way was up or
527. 18:20down.
528. 18:22And when all of a sudden I look and I
529. 18:24see that the bubbles are going in the
530. 18:26opposite direction.
531. 18:28And the bubbles are going up, you know,
532. 18:30but I was upside down.
533. 18:32And what that gave me was it was a
534. 18:33moment of clarity.
535. 18:35I wasn't out of the water. I was still
536. 18:37in it. But I knew which way was up.
537. 18:40Have you had your moment of clarity yet?
538. 18:43>> Yes. Um The moment of clarity was, you
539. 18:47know,
540. 18:47what God was trying to teach me, you
541. 18:49know, um and how to make it out of this
542. 18:52first spiritually. Cuz you know, it also
543. 18:56occurred to me that like, you know, I
544. 18:58don't want to have hope and like be
545. 19:01doing good spiritually because I'm
546. 19:02physing you know, I'm physically
547. 19:04healing. You know, that's like a
548. 19:05transaction I'm making with God. That
549. 19:07shouldn't be made first. And so I wanted
550. 19:10to hope to be spiritually and mentally.
551. 19:13And um
552. 19:15I think
553. 19:16you know, I was asking myself like, what
554. 19:18am I going to do? Like, obviously like
555. 19:20which way is up, I guess, you know? I'm
556. 19:22realizing all these things about myself,
557. 19:24a lot of like sin I was still struggling
558. 19:26with, like, you know? And I'm like, you
559. 19:28know, what do I need to do? Do I need to
560. 19:30stop this sin first? Do I need to do
561. 19:32this? Do I need to do that first? And
562. 19:33like
563. 19:34I remember Paul said in the New
564. 19:36Testament that like the greatest thing,
565. 19:39cuz he experienced a lot and he's lost a
566. 19:41lot. And he said that the greatest thing
567. 19:42that he has come to realize is to just
568. 19:44get to know God. Just get to know him,
569. 19:47you know? All the hard stuff has been
570. 19:49done already. Just get to know him. And
571. 19:52so that's what I was doing. And you
572. 19:54know, I had I was realizing and learning
573. 19:56so many things that I'm like like I
574. 19:58think I told you before like I was like
575. 20:00writing it down and I'm like going to
576. 20:01put something like something small
577. 20:03together. And also just like organize my
578. 20:05thoughts. But yes, just get to know God.
579. 20:08Get to know him and talk to him.
580. 20:10You know?
581. 20:11>> Yeah.
582. 20:12Yeah. That's huge, man.
583. 20:14Moment of clarity is something that you
584. 20:16need to arrive at. No one can give you
585. 20:17your moment of clarity.
586. 20:19>> Mhm.
587. 20:20>> But it's it's the moment where all of a
588. 20:22sudden um
589. 20:23you know, when you there's when there's
590. 20:24so much pain constantly, you can't find
591. 20:26peace. Pain and peace don't go hand in
592. 20:28hand.
593. 20:30And but the moment that you're able to
594. 20:32manage the pain and you're able to find
595. 20:34any moment of peace, some
596. 20:36it sometimes if it's you know, and God
597. 20:37if God's grace finds you and and it
598. 20:39does,
599. 20:40you're able to find that moment of
600. 20:41clarity.
601. 20:42O is for ownership. Now, ownership in
602. 20:46some cases, like if someone hurts you,
603. 20:49well,
604. 20:52you have to recognize that
605. 20:54it's maybe not your your place to own.
606. 20:55But here's what I I really believe is
607. 20:57that God can't heal
608. 21:00things that we are not willing to take
609. 21:02ownership for.
610. 21:04Now,
611. 21:06you didn't own the wave. Wave didn't you
612. 21:08know
613. 21:09um
614. 21:10For like you know and this happens many
615. 21:11times with skateboarders. Sometimes
616. 21:13we'll get injured because of our own
617. 21:14stupidity, but sometimes someone rams
618. 21:17into us at the skatepark. You know what
619. 21:19I mean?
620. 21:21But
621. 21:22there is a real when we take ownership
622. 21:25in our recovery for whatever portion. It
623. 21:27may be only 25% of the pie. It could be
624. 21:2990% of the pie. It could be 100% of the
625. 21:31time. Like sometimes a lot of times we
626. 21:34have to own 100% of it, you know.
627. 21:37Uh but in your case I don't think it's a
628. 21:38I don't think it's you know it it's not
629. 21:40that's not the case.
630. 21:42But ownership is a is a very powerful
631. 21:44thing. It's it's looking at the journey
632. 21:46of of injury and rupture
633. 21:49and seeing which part of it you you can
634. 21:52own. You know maybe it's like the fact
635. 21:55that maybe you weren't ready to surf the
636. 21:57size of waves that you were doing, you
637. 21:58know, and
638. 22:00and it's not to guilt it's not to guilt
639. 22:02and shame, but it's rather to
640. 22:05to to understand to come to a place of
641. 22:07ownership and then to move forward.
642. 22:10Uh for skateboarders this is really
643. 22:11helpful because if we don't take
644. 22:13ownership in our injury injuries, that
645. 22:15is to say if we don't review our
646. 22:17injuries and say
647. 22:18man, well why did I get hurt? Was it
648. 22:20because I was tired and skateboarding I
649. 22:22should have just probably taken a seat
650. 22:24or was I did
651. 22:27I have had this happen so many times
652. 22:28where my body will intuitively tell me
653. 22:30at the end of my session
654. 22:32Dave, you're tired.
655. 22:34You skate enough. You've gotten enough
656. 22:35skating in. It's time for you to sit
657. 22:37down.
658. 22:38But I don't listen to that.
659. 22:40Instead, I'm I'm there. I'm wanting I'm
660. 22:42wanting to be a part of the hype.
661. 22:44>> Mhm.
662. 22:44>> And um
663. 22:46and then I'll get injured. I'll twist an
664. 22:48ankle.
665. 22:49You know, I that's happened so many
666. 22:51times.
667. 22:52Or I'm just getting to the session. I'm
668. 22:54not warmed up enough yet, but the
669. 22:56session's already going and I want to
670. 22:57participate.
671. 22:59And so then I'll try and go for
672. 23:00something that my body ain't ready for
673. 23:02yet.
674. 23:03And then I'll get hurt. I'll pull a
675. 23:04hamstring or something like that in that
676. 23:06case.
677. 23:08And
678. 23:10uh in order to move forward, it's really
679. 23:11important that we take ownership for
680. 23:13whatever portion of the pie is ours.
681. 23:16And sometimes it's a large portion,
682. 23:18other times it's not.
683. 23:20Uh have you ever thought about kind of
684. 23:21ownership
685. 23:22uh when it comes to your injury?
686. 23:24>> Oh, for sure. Um
687. 23:26with all the things that happened this
688. 23:28past year, uh and it was like it was
689. 23:30crazy, you know, I was um
690. 23:32I was like homeless like one time and
691. 23:34all this other stuff and
692. 23:36um it made me very bitter inside. Um I
693. 23:40didn't always I didn't really show it
694. 23:41outwardly, but I did have like a falling
695. 23:45out with
696. 23:46uh like two or three friends and I own
697. 23:49100% of that pie because of the way I
698. 23:52acted. And they were one of the first
699. 23:55ones to visit me in the hospital. And as
700. 23:58soon as they walked into the room, the
701. 24:00first thing I did was apologize to them.
702. 24:02That was the very first thing. And it
703. 24:05says that, you know, the peace of God,
704. 24:07you know, it's like a peaceful feeling
705. 24:08when it comes over you or over a
706. 24:10situation.
707. 24:11And it was just like I felt like I just
708. 24:13took a heavy book bag off when that
709. 24:15happened, you know? Cuz, you know,
710. 24:16that's one of the things that
711. 24:18>> You uh big heavy bag off, didn't you?
712. 24:20>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, and it felt good.
713. 24:23It felt good and like made me want to
714. 24:24think of like who else have I done this
715. 24:26to and just want to call them, you
716. 24:27>> Yeah.
717. 24:28>> Um
718. 24:29and so that was like one of the first
719. 24:31things I owned, you know, obviously the
720. 24:32second thing I owned was like and I
721. 24:34admitted it to God right away in the
722. 24:36ambulance. I was like, "God, I've made
723. 24:38so many otherworldly things that I
724. 24:40wanted to use to as ministry." You know,
725. 24:42I started worshipping the creation
726. 24:44rather than the creator. And that was a
727. 24:46big thing I owned, too. But um another
728. 24:49thing I owned was not being thankful for
729. 24:51I already had, you know, I'm in my 20s
730. 24:53and I'm like trying to do a lot of
731. 24:55things to get my life together with like
732. 24:56my career, my finances, and I was always
733. 24:59striving to be better like that cuz I
734. 25:00would compare my life to other people
735. 25:02who have their stuff together. And um
736. 25:05you know, that the rush of that, you
737. 25:07know, doesn't leave any room for rest.
738. 25:10And so, now that I'm like in a bed and I
739. 25:13can't move, I'm being forced to rest and
740. 25:16to just take this time and reflect. And
741. 25:18it made me thankful, like I remember the
742. 25:19first time I was able to use the
743. 25:21bathroom on my own kind of. I just like
744. 25:23thanked God. I was like,
745. 25:25>> Oh my goodness, this is the best thing
746. 25:26ever, you know.
747. 25:27>> Bathroom by yourself. I remember that
748. 25:28after plane crash, man. Oh my god.
749. 25:31You know?
750. 25:32>> Yeah.
751. 25:33>> Yeah.
752. 25:34So, my body was
753. 25:36my body was all purple for like
754. 25:38three, four weeks after.
755. 25:40>> Oh, seriously?
756. 25:41>> Yeah, cuz the impact of the plane crash
757. 25:43was so great on my body that
758. 25:45there's so much dead blood and then
759. 25:48and then it it started off, my whole
760. 25:49body was purple, but then by the end it
761. 25:50was like my legs were like deep purple
762. 25:52cuz all the blood dead blood went down.
763. 25:55>> Oh, yeah.
764. 25:57>> But I remember, yeah, using the first
765. 25:58the bathroom for the first time and
766. 26:00stuff like that. But it's funny how
767. 26:01injuries they
768. 26:03they actually lead us and push us to
769. 26:05deal with some of the things. Like it's
770. 26:06like we lose our cover.
771. 26:08And what's exposed underneath, all of a
772. 26:10sudden we can see with a greater
773. 26:11clarity.
774. 26:12>> Mhm.
775. 26:13>> And that's I see it's a it's an
776. 26:14opportunity to clean what's underneath,
777. 26:16not just physically. Like and I've had
778. 26:18I've had friends tell me like they get
779. 26:19injured and all of a sudden the the
780. 26:21doctors are are looking in in in your
781. 26:23body now and then then they find other
782. 26:24stuff. They find that, "Oh, there's a
783. 26:25tumor here."
784. 26:27You know what I mean? Like how many
785. 26:28times has that happened? Someone gets
786. 26:29injured and it's actually an act of
787. 26:31grace because guess what? There's that
788. 26:33exposure now leads to them going, "Oh my
789. 26:35gosh, there's other stuff that needs to
790. 26:36get taken taken care." But that's just
791. 26:38not physical, that's also emotional.
792. 26:40It's that when we when we have these
793. 26:42things happen in our lives,
794. 26:45often it's an opportunity to own
795. 26:48the crap that we've done
796. 26:50that that we haven't dealt with.
797. 26:52>> Mhm.
798. 26:52>> That has been hidden by a cover that
799. 26:56that may have actually
800. 26:57grown over the the thing that the
801. 26:59bitterness and the anger or whatever the
802. 27:01sin or whatever it was, right?
803. 27:02>> Mhm.
804. 27:03>> So, which leads me to V, which is
805. 27:06vulnerability.
806. 27:07And that is a Oh, at the well of
807. 27:11vulnerability is joy. If you want true
808. 27:13genuine joy, you can't be full truly
809. 27:15genuinely joyful without being truly
810. 27:18vulnerable
811. 27:20with those around you. And vulnerability
812. 27:22also, when it comes to healing,
813. 27:26it's
814. 27:27trusting people in your life
815. 27:30to help you heal.
816. 27:31Like
817. 27:33I think of Beaver Fleming.
818. 27:35And he needed to be so vulnerable with
819. 27:38me when he twisted his knee, bro. I
820. 27:40don't know if you saw on his Instagram,
821. 27:42but we were in Arizona.
822. 27:44And he went out for this kickflip and
823. 27:46landed back on his board and his board,
824. 27:48bro,
825. 27:49landed
826. 27:50He broke his ACL, MCL, PCL, and meniscus
827. 27:53all in one go. His knee's bent to the
828. 27:56right 90°.
829. 27:58He can't get up. There's 200 people
830. 28:00watching the demo. I run over there.
831. 28:03Beaver's shouting. I'm all, "What do you
832. 28:05want me to do?" And he says, I said I
833. 28:07said, "Do you want me to put it back
834. 28:08in?"
835. 28:10And he just said, "Do what you got to
836. 28:11do."
837. 28:12And in that moment
838. 28:14he was incredibly vulnerable. I mean,
839. 28:16he's he's in front of all this crowd and
840. 28:18I
841. 28:19I pulled on that leg and I and I put
842. 28:21that thing back in. It went like shlup
843. 28:23shlup. It made these two little clicking
844. 28:25that noises.
845. 28:27But he told me that when he went to go
846. 28:29see the surgeon,
847. 28:30normally what happens is and you could
848. 28:32you could attest to this being working
849. 28:33in a an ambulance,
850. 28:35if you find somebody and they he's
851. 28:37they've got a knee all bent out of
852. 28:39shape, they're not going to try and put
853. 28:41it back in there on the spot. They're
854. 28:42going to cast you as you are and they're
855. 28:44going to get you to the hospital as soon
856. 28:45as possible. Probably do it as soon as
857. 28:47you can.
858. 28:48But what Bieber told me is that because
859. 28:51he was able to get his knee back in
860. 28:53right away,
861. 28:55that helped with the healing because it
862. 28:57was at least positioned and back in the
863. 28:59same spot.
864. 29:01But he needed to he needed to have a a
865. 29:04vulnerability where he's Okay.
866. 29:07I trust him.
867. 29:10And uh I talked about how
868. 29:12human journey of recovery that's very
869. 29:14important.
870. 29:16You can be vulnerable with.
871. 29:18>> Yeah.
872. 29:19>> That
873. 29:20we are we we have the willingness to
874. 29:22say, "Okay, what do you see in me that I
875. 29:25don't necessarily see in myself, you
876. 29:26know?"
877. 29:28Uh what do you see wound? Literally,
878. 29:30what do you see in the wound that
879. 29:32that you can help clean that I can't
880. 29:35help clean myself,
881. 29:36you know?
882. 29:38So having people in our lives that we
883. 29:39trust enough to be vulnerable with,
884. 29:42um
885. 29:43well, helps with our recovery.
886. 29:45>> For sure.
887. 29:46Yeah.
888. 29:47>> And you felt
889. 29:48um this journey uh
890. 29:51giving you the ability to be vulnerable
891. 29:53with other people?
892. 29:54>> Yes, and um a lot of the times, man,
893. 29:57they uh they beat me to it before I even
894. 29:59ask, you know? Um
895. 30:01so my roommate he's a solid Christian.
896. 30:03Um
897. 30:04when he visited me in the hospital,
898. 30:06you know, he even pointed out he he knew
899. 30:08exactly, you know, uh
900. 30:10what I was thinking is, you know, the
901. 30:12whole
902. 30:13cuz I take idolatry very seriously. Um
903. 30:15the whole making skateboarding an idol.
904. 30:17He's like, "Think about it. Like you got
905. 30:18hurt from your legs down, not your neck
906. 30:20down." You know? And
907. 30:23I was like, "Dude, yeah, 100%." And so
908. 30:26because this is this is like a a
909. 30:28spiritual thing, not like a like a I
910. 30:30guess a physical thing, like putting
911. 30:31your knee back in place, I just remember
912. 30:33telling God I had like a serious moment
913. 30:36for like an hour where I I wheeled
914. 30:37myself out in the wheelchair to this
915. 30:39lake behind in hospital.
916. 30:41And I just prayed to him and I told God
917. 30:43and I still stand by this like
918. 30:45do we do we you need to do in the sense
919. 30:47of like
920. 30:48>> Come on.
921. 30:48>> If I if I heal up and I'm able to walk,
922. 30:51but I can never jump again or run again
923. 30:53or skate again, I'm seriously completely
924. 30:57okay with that. You know, I've told God
925. 30:59that and I still tell God that and I
926. 31:01have a lot of peace in saying that. Um
927. 31:04because you know
928. 31:07for me when I was striving to be a super
929. 31:08good skateboarder, it's like it's cool,
930. 31:11but at the same time it's like I didn't
931. 31:13have as much peace
932. 31:15and until now I'm just like possibly
933. 31:17letting that go, you know. I'll be happy
934. 31:18just filming skateboarding rest of my
935. 31:20life, you know. Um but that is the one
936. 31:23thing that was the that was the big uh
937. 31:26do we you need to do moment. Um and you
938. 31:28know, I'm still healing, so I don't know
939. 31:29what that's going to look like, but
940. 31:31regardless, I'm seriously
941. 31:33okay with whatever happens, you know.
942. 31:35>> Yeah.
943. 31:36>> So.
944. 31:36>> That's so brave.
945. 31:38And I see that in your life, man, and
946. 31:40and uh I see how open that is
947. 31:42that even you for doing this
948. 31:43conversation, you know, I see that in in
949. 31:46in your life, man.
950. 31:47The the last
951. 31:49uh couple letters are are where things
952. 31:51get a little bit more exciting. And
953. 31:53you're going to get to this moment and
954. 31:54you're going to wake up one day
955. 31:56and you're going to have enough strength
956. 31:57in your legs to pop an ollie.
957. 32:00>> Yeah.
958. 32:02>> Enough articulation and your your your
959. 32:05nervous system is going to be aware
960. 32:06enough to flick a kickflip, you know?
961. 32:09>> Yeah.
962. 32:09>> And that's where the E of empowerment
963. 32:11comes in, you know, where all of a
964. 32:13sudden
965. 32:15you're no longer in the place of of of
966. 32:18being hurt, but now you can you're
967. 32:20empowered.
968. 32:22And Raven come, bro, you're going to
969. 32:23you're going to experience that
970. 32:26sometime soon.
971. 32:28>> Yeah.
972. 32:28>> And what we do with our empowerment is
973. 32:30really important.
974. 32:33Because what we can do is and that and
975. 32:35that's when the R the last letter in
976. 32:37recover, of course, is R,
977. 32:39is when we get the opportunity to
978. 32:40return.
979. 32:42And that that returning looks a little
980. 32:44different for everybody. Sometimes it's
981. 32:45returning to the person who hurt you.
982. 32:47Now, that's not your case. You can't you
983. 32:49you know that wave is is is come and
984. 32:51gone.
985. 32:52Um
986. 32:54but sometimes returning looks like going
987. 32:57to the younger generation that follows
988. 32:59you and to teach and teaching them the
989. 33:01lessons that you learned.
990. 33:03>> Mhm.
991. 33:04>> Um sometimes sometimes returning is
992. 33:06going back to the place of trauma
993. 33:09and uh and and and coming back and
994. 33:12showing that place that that that that
995. 33:14environment
996. 33:16that you're not only back, but you're
997. 33:18back stronger. You're empowered.
998. 33:20Cuz
999. 33:21physically the body, guess what?
1000. 33:23The plane crash where I where the my
1001. 33:26eyebrow right here
1002. 33:27is actually here and stronger.
1003. 33:30>> Mhm.
1004. 33:30>> My leg my my femur is guess what? It's
1005. 33:33stronger. It's actually more empowered
1006. 33:34because it's it's gone through it.
1007. 33:37And that's the crazy thing is that
1008. 33:41through the difficulty and journey, if
1009. 33:43we're faithful with the process,
1010. 33:45well, guess what? Many of us we come
1011. 33:48back stronger.
1012. 33:50Many of us come back empowered.
1013. 33:53And um
1014. 33:55I know that you're not quite there yet,
1015. 33:56but when you come through through out of
1016. 33:59this,
1017. 34:01um what are you going to
1018. 34:03um
1019. 34:04do with your your healing and and and
1020. 34:07when you think about return,
1021. 34:09what does return look like for Raven?
1022. 34:11Who who who who do you need to return
1023. 34:13to?
1024. 34:15>> Um
1025. 34:16returning
1026. 34:17uh
1027. 34:18definitely returning uh to a better
1028. 34:20Christian community.
1029. 34:22Um I feel like I was definitely hanging
1030. 34:25around uh people who
1031. 34:28you know, I guess claimed to be
1032. 34:29Christians, but I wasn't seeing maybe
1033. 34:31much fruit in their life. Um and you
1034. 34:34know, there's a balance there of like
1035. 34:35ministering to those people and then
1036. 34:36hanging out with them. And so I remember
1037. 34:39like making like
1038. 34:40just a list of those things of play like
1039. 34:43maybe places or people I won't go back
1040. 34:45and hang out with.
1041. 34:47Or not as much.
1042. 34:49Definitely if I do return to
1043. 34:50skateboarding, returning back to it with
1044. 34:52a different mindset, not a
1045. 34:54self-glorifying mindset. Um
1046. 34:57cuz when I would make uh different skate
1047. 34:59videos like apart from skate ministry
1048. 35:01just for like other people, I was
1049. 35:03becoming to be like very like kind of
1050. 35:05known in the local area like and um you
1051. 35:08know, telling myself like if I keep
1052. 35:10doing that aside from skate ministry,
1053. 35:12like I won't even put my name on the
1054. 35:13video, stuff like that. Um
1055. 35:16but uh the empowering part of it is that
1056. 35:20the doctors at the ICU said that there
1057. 35:22was probably only a 30% chance I'd walk
1058. 35:25again.
1059. 35:26And so uh they said like if you did walk
1060. 35:29again, it would probably you'd probably
1061. 35:30be able to stand up maybe after 3
1062. 35:32months. And after 3 weeks, I stood up on
1063. 35:34my own.
1064. 35:35And that was
1065. 35:36>> on.
1066. 35:37>> And I just remember thinking like cuz
1067. 35:38you know, the human part of me was still
1068. 35:39feeling kind of defeated like man, like
1069. 35:42will I ever heal or whatever, like you
1070. 35:44know, is this too great to you know,
1071. 35:47overcome? And I just remember God when
1072. 35:49he healed the lame man, he said that you
1073. 35:51know, he looked at the faith of his
1074. 35:53friends.
1075. 35:54You know, and that was pleasing to him.
1076. 35:56And I'm so thankful for everyone that
1077. 35:58prayed for me because you know, on my
1078. 36:00behalf, they lifted me up and that was
1079. 36:03super empowering to see that God was
1080. 36:04being faithful to their prayers, you
1081. 36:06know, even if I didn't have a lot of
1082. 36:07hope.
1083. 36:08>> Yeah.
1084. 36:09>> So
1085. 36:10Yeah.
1086. 36:10>> That's so good, man. And so those are
1087. 36:13the seven steps of recover that I've
1088. 36:14written in the book. The last one I talk
1089. 36:16about the eighth step and it's optional.
1090. 36:19Recovery
1091. 36:20recovery ends with the with the letter
1092. 36:22Y.
1093. 36:23And when we get injured like this,
1094. 36:26um it's not always helpful to in the
1095. 36:28beginning of the process to begin asking
1096. 36:30this.
1097. 36:31>> Yeah.
1098. 36:32>> But it's the question why, right? Now,
1099. 36:34once once we're at that that stage of
1100. 36:37return,
1101. 36:38it's actually really important to ask
1102. 36:40the question
1103. 36:41why.
1104. 36:42And I talk about how the letter Y, if
1105. 36:44you look at the shape of the letter,
1106. 36:46it's kind of like two dots that are
1107. 36:48joining into one
1108. 36:49and then journeying together.
1109. 36:52And I think a lot of times God uses
1110. 36:55suffering
1111. 36:56to bring us closer to him
1112. 36:59>> Yeah.
1113. 36:59>> so that we can journey together, right?
1114. 37:01Together with God. And um,
1115. 37:04what I want to believe for is that for
1116. 37:06me, like the plane crash, we all go, you
1117. 37:08know, people, you know, I'll tell you
1118. 37:10this is that
1119. 37:11the weeks after the plane crash, asking
1120. 37:13the question why was not helpful. Uh, it
1121. 37:16led to survivor guilt. It I didn't have
1122. 37:19the answer.
1123. 37:20Now,
1124. 37:2118 years later,
1125. 37:23um, I don't have necessarily an answer
1126. 37:26for why it happened. Like I don't have a
1127. 37:28I don't have a sentence, but here's what
1128. 37:29I do have
1129. 37:30is I have moments, peoples, and places
1130. 37:34that that answer that question. In the
1131. 37:35sense that there are people who I can
1132. 37:36point to who I can say that's my right
1133. 37:38there because they either became a
1134. 37:41Christian because of my story or journey
1135. 37:42or they
1136. 37:43my my suffering helped them in some way.
1137. 37:46Um,
1138. 37:48so the why is a really important
1139. 37:50question to ask and to embrace at the
1140. 37:52right time.
1141. 37:54And what I'm believing for is that
1142. 37:56there's a really big why, Raven. Oh my
1143. 37:59goodness, there's a massive why.
1144. 38:02And you may not know until you get to
1145. 38:04heaven, but here's what I do know is
1146. 38:06that there is a why.
1147. 38:08And the why is
1148. 38:11um,
1149. 38:11you Oh, I'm getting a phone call.
1150. 38:15How are you good? Yeah, I think I think
1151. 38:17the why is is impact, man. I think this
1152. 38:19is this story and journey is going to
1153. 38:20impact a lot of people.
1154. 38:22And it gives you a level of compassion
1155. 38:26for people who have undergone physical
1156. 38:29injury
1157. 38:31you didn't have before. Now you have a
1158. 38:33compassionate heart in a way that you
1159. 38:35didn't have before, you know?
1160. 38:37And so
1161. 38:38any any last final thoughts when it
1162. 38:40comes to to why and I'm not asking I'm
1163. 38:43not you know, you've already kind of
1164. 38:45already talked a little bit about it.
1165. 38:46You felt like God was slowing you down
1166. 38:48to to embrace you know that to cut off
1167. 38:52the idolism of skateboarding.
1168. 38:54>> Mhm.
1169. 38:56>> But yeah, any thoughts on on just that
1170. 38:59last part and
1171. 39:01>> Oh, yeah.
1172. 39:02>> I want to pray for you, man.
1173. 39:03>> The first thing I noticed was um
1174. 39:06uh
1175. 39:08you know, when I look at like how God
1176. 39:09can be using this outside of like my
1177. 39:11personal spiritual life is I was getting
1178. 39:14a lot of texts and DMs
1179. 39:17consistently from the same people. Not
1180. 39:20just one time.
1181. 39:21And they were people I knew from before
1182. 39:23that I never and they expressed to me
1183. 39:25that they hate God. And they hate what I
1184. 39:27believe. And they were telling me, you
1185. 39:30know, every other day that they were
1186. 39:31praying for me.
1187. 39:33And, you know, if they really were, that
1188. 39:36is awesome. And this injury would be
1189. 39:38worth it if that's the case because, you
1190. 39:40know, um
1191. 39:42when reality hits you in the face but
1192. 39:44then also hits in the face of other
1193. 39:45people, you know, they they will
1194. 39:47definitely look up just the way you are.
1195. 39:49And that is something I noticed that I'm
1196. 39:52thankful for. Um
1197. 39:53that there are people and I'm telling
1198. 39:55you it's like it blows my mind because
1199. 39:56only I know, but I never thought that
1200. 39:59and that's wrong of me to think too
1201. 40:00also, but you know, that they would pray
1202. 40:04or, you know, look to God in any way and
1203. 40:06the fact that they did and told me and
1204. 40:08they were consistently doing it every
1205. 40:09other day telling me that was awesome.
1206. 40:12And I've had other moments like that too
1207. 40:14and in my head I'm like if that's the
1208. 40:15case, this is worth it. Yeah. This is
1209. 40:17definitely worth it. Um
1210. 40:20And so, yeah, and then I'm sure there's
1211. 40:21other things too that I won't know until
1212. 40:23I get to heaven.
1213. 40:25Um and also, maybe, you know, this
1214. 40:27injury happened so that another injury
1215. 40:29would would not have happened, you know,
1216. 40:32>> Yeah.
1217. 40:32>> uh later on.
1218. 40:34>> But you one day I believe that you'll
1219. 40:35find out.
1220. 40:36>> Yeah, for sure, you know. Um cuz I
1221. 40:40>> to offer you is I'd love to help you as
1222. 40:42you emerge back and as you start to be
1223. 40:44empowered in return.
1224. 40:46If you are looking to launch this story
1225. 40:50and journey into motivational being and
1226. 40:52speaking, being brought into
1227. 40:53environments like schools and and and
1228. 40:55community centers and
1229. 40:57and speak cuz this story, man, you're
1230. 40:59going to, you know, got the end of it,
1231. 41:00you're going to have a story. You're
1232. 41:01going to have a journey.
1233. 41:03And uh to use that to empower people who
1234. 41:06are in their earlier pros- journey of of
1235. 41:09recovery.
1236. 41:10It's a really powerful thing.
1237. 41:12>> That'd be cool, yeah.
1238. 41:14Yes, for sure.
1239. 41:15>> Yeah, man.
1240. 41:16>> Yes, sir.
1241. 41:17>> Wow.
1242. 41:18Well, hey, man, let me say a word of
1243. 41:19prayer for for you. I'm looking forward
1244. 41:21to hearing uh in the months to come how
1245. 41:23God's going to use this.
1246. 41:25And um I'm really thankful that we got
1247. 41:27to have this conversation, bro.
1248. 41:29>> Yes, sir. I appreciate you, man. Thank
1249. 41:30you.
1250. 41:31>> Cool, let's pray. Lord, I just thank you
1251. 41:33so much for my friend Raven.
1252. 41:35Lord, I thank you for uh your
1253. 41:36faithfulness in his life. Lord, thank
1254. 41:37you for his humility.
1255. 41:39Thank you for his hunger.
1256. 41:41Lord, thank you that he is hustling in
1257. 41:43the PT, physical therapy, Father God.
1258. 41:46Uh Lord, I pray right now that your
1259. 41:47spirit would just be ministering to him,
1260. 41:50speaking to him, giving him wisdom,
1261. 41:52vision going forward, Father God. And I
1262. 41:54do pray in your timing, in your way, for
1263. 41:56your glory, and his abundant, great joy,
1264. 42:00Lord, that you would use this for your
1265. 42:02kingdom, where the enemy would not have
1266. 42:04the last laugh, that what he meant for
1267. 42:06evil will turn for great good for your
1268. 42:08kingdom, for Raven, for his future,
1269. 42:12Lord, for his impact. And so we pray all
1270. 42:14these things in the mighty name of
1271. 42:15Jesus. Amen.
1272. 42:18>> Thank you, Dave. Appreciate you, man.
1273. 42:20Raven, thanks for joining the
1274. 42:22conversation. If anybody is looking to
1275. 42:24grab a copy of Recover, you can find it
1276. 42:26on amazon.com. Just type in Recover Dave
1277. 42:29Johnson. Notice two s's.
1278. 42:31Otherwise, guys, thanks so much for
1279. 42:32joining us and have a great day.