The Jehovah's Witnesses Religion Quickly Explained and Refuted — Transcript

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1. 0:00This is Jehovah's Witness beliefs. One
2. 0:01day when judgment comes, your survival
3. 0:03is going to depend on following the
4. 0:05instructions of these eight guys in New
5. 0:07York. Like your literal earthly survival
6. 0:10will depend on it. Judgment will come
7. 0:11and you have to be ready at the drop of
8. 0:13a hat to just go do whatever they say.
9. 0:18All right, group number two. I've spent
10. 0:20many, many hours dealing with Jehovah's
11. 0:22Witnesses um individually from the time
12. 0:25I was like a teenager and they're
13. 0:26witnessing to me and I even
14. 0:28[clears throat] struck up kind of a
15. 0:29friendship with the JW as he was coming
16. 0:30back to my house like not even when he
17. 0:32was officially out witnessing in his
18. 0:34street clothes even, you know, um to
19. 0:37even producing lots of video content,
20. 0:39many hours of content. But let me just
21. 0:40do this like quick drink from the fire
22. 0:43hydrant drive by just shooting of
23. 0:45information about Jehovah's Witnesses.
24. 0:47That's probably a horrible analogy to
25. 0:49use, but um their attitude towards
26. 0:51Jesus. We'll start with that. Jehovah's
27. 0:52Witnesses are taught that Jesus is not
28. 0:56God, right, from all eternity, who's God
29. 0:58with us. Like the Mormons, they think
30. 1:00that he's a created being, but a
31. 1:02different being than the Mormons would
32. 1:03say. They think that Jesus is Michael
33. 1:05the Archangel. So, when the Bible talks
34. 1:08about Michael, that is Jesus. And now
35. 1:10there are some Christians who real
36. 1:12Christians who legitimately they they
37. 1:14think that Jesus is Michael the
38. 1:16Archangel, but they don't think he's
39. 1:17just Michael. They think Michael is like
40. 1:19a christophony. Okay? And I disagree
41. 1:21with that theology. I think it's I think
42. 1:23it's incorrect personally, but it
43. 1:25doesn't deny the deity of Christ the way
44. 1:26Jehovah's Witnesses do. They actually
45. 1:28teach that Jesus is a created being. He
46. 1:30didn't always exist. He was created by
47. 1:33God and he was the first created being
48. 1:35and then everything else was made
49. 1:37through him in some fashion. They also
50. 1:39would teach say that Jesus died on a on
51. 1:42not a cross but on a torture stake. And
52. 1:44that's how their translation puts it.
53. 1:46And that he was not bodily resurrected.
54. 1:48Did you hear that? Jesus was not bodily
55. 1:49resurrected. That's really key. So Jesus
56. 1:52isn't God. He's a created being. He's
57. 1:53Michael the Archangel uh who became a
58. 1:56man. And there's just tons in scripture
59. 1:59that talks about this. Hebrews 1 totally
60. 2:01refutes the idea that Jesus is an
61. 2:03angelic being. Colossians 1, it says
62. 2:05that everything was made through Jesus.
63. 2:07Everything. Not just some things, but
64. 2:09everything was made through Jesus, which
65. 2:10would mean he couldn't he wasn't made,
66. 2:13right? Because everything that was made
67. 2:14was made through him. In John 1, it says
68. 2:16everything again, everything that was
69. 2:17made was made through him. And apart
70. 2:19from him, nothing was made that was
71. 2:20made. Which is a pretty strong case for
72. 2:24Jesus is not the first created being.
73. 2:26Which is why in the Jehovah's Witness
74. 2:27New World Translation, which I got I
75. 2:29have like five versions of it, but
76. 2:30here's one of them. [laughter] And in
77. 2:32their own version of the Bible, they
78. 2:34changed the Bible in exactly the places
79. 2:36that teach the truth about the deity of
80. 2:38Christ and him as creator. They
81. 2:41literally have made a a bad and it's
82. 2:43universally known as scholars. They know
83. 2:45this is not a good translation. Um but
84. 2:47they've made this translation to try to
85. 2:49support their theology. So they think
86. 2:50Michael became Jesus. Um and one of the
87. 2:54verses, I'll give you an example for you
88. 2:55guys might be interested. One of the
89. 2:56verses they'll quote for this is 1
90. 2:59Thessalonians 4:16. This is a passage of
91. 3:01scripture that talks about the the the
92. 3:03return of Christ, the second coming. And
93. 3:05it says, "The Lord himself, Jesus, will
94. 3:07descend from heaven with a cry of
95. 3:09command, with the voice of an archangel,
96. 3:11and with the sound of the trumpet of
97. 3:13God, and the dead in Christ will rise
98. 3:15first." They say, "Well, it's speaking
99. 3:16of Jesus." I agree. And they say, "Well,
100. 3:18if Jesus comes with the voice of an
101. 3:20archangel, as 1 Thessalonians 4:16 says,
102. 3:23then he must be an archangel." Um, there
103. 3:25are a few problems with this. Uh, one of
104. 3:28them is that if Jesus is Michael the
105. 3:30Archangel and he's a unique being, which
106. 3:32Jehovah's Witnesses would teach, why is
107. 3:34it just the voice of an archangel, like
108. 3:36he's one of many if he's the if he's
109. 3:38supposed to be singular? But also, it
110. 3:39also says he comes not just with the
111. 3:41voice of an archangel. But the scripture
112. 3:42says he comes with the sound of a
113. 3:44trumpet in the very next phrase of that
114. 3:46sentence. Does that make Jesus a
115. 3:47trumpet?
116. 3:49No. [laughter] But by by their logic,
117. 3:52Jesus have to be he's archangel. He's
118. 3:53also a giant trumpet. And that doesn't
119. 3:55make any sense. Um, then of course
120. 3:58there's the clear teachings that Jesus
121. 3:59is not an angel in Hebrews 1 and in the
122. 4:01other places in scripture where he is
123. 4:03the creator of all. They say Jesus did
124. 4:05not rise bodily. Instead, you might ask,
125. 4:07well, what happened to the body of
126. 4:08Jesus? Well, in Jehovah's Witness
127. 4:10teaching, the body of Jesus, it went
128. 4:12into the tomb and then dissolved and
129. 4:15that's why the tomb was empty. They went
130. 4:16to find it and God had like
131. 4:18disintegrated the body of Jesus. Then
132. 4:21when Jesus was resurrected, he was
133. 4:23resurrected with a spirit body. It's
134. 4:25difficult to ask people to explain what
135. 4:26a spirit body is. This is similar to
136. 4:28Mormonism, though they do have a
137. 4:29something called a spirit body, but they
138. 4:31won't define it very well, so it's a
139. 4:33little tough to talk about. But in
140. 4:34studies in the scriptures, this
141. 4:36[clears throat] is a Jehovah's Witness
142. 4:37source. In volume 5, page 454 of studies
143. 4:40in the scriptures, they say, "The man
144. 4:41Jesus is dead forever dead." You cannot
145. 4:46consider yourself Christian if you can
146. 4:47make a statement like that. That's a
147. 4:49denial of the central belief in the
148. 4:51resurrection of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15
149. 4:53talks about that. The gospels even show
150. 4:55that Jesus he this is kind of cool. It
151. 4:58it's like God knows every false
152. 5:00religious way of twisting Christianity
153. 5:02and he put in the scriptures all the
154. 5:05reputations we would ever need. So in
155. 5:07the gospels when Jesus appears to Thomas
156. 5:10he specifically tells them look it's I
157. 5:12flesh and blood and then he says touch
158. 5:15your hand and put it in the nail marks
159. 5:17in my hand and in my side. What Jesus
160. 5:20calls those marks is the nail marks.
161. 5:22Meaning that the body that was on the
162. 5:23cross that got nailed, these are the
163. 5:26marks from that body, which means
164. 5:27scriptures teaching us Jesus rose with
165. 5:30the same body that he died with. That's
166. 5:32pretty significant. Um, however,
167. 5:35they would say, and this is on jw.org.
168. 5:37I'm going to quote them here. Jesus was
169. 5:39resurrected with a spirit body. So, he
170. 5:41comes as a spirit creature, not in the
171. 5:42flesh. And that would direct
172. 5:44contradiction with scripture, an
173. 5:46essential Christian truth. There's other
174. 5:48things about Jesus they would teach. Um,
175. 5:50for instance, we we look forward to the
176. 5:51second coming of Christ. They teach that
177. 5:53Jesus already did show up. His coming
178. 5:55already came and he had an invisible
179. 5:57return in 1914. Now, historically, the
180. 6:00the reason they got to this is
181. 6:01interesting. They were predicting this
182. 6:03sort of like Armageddon to happen in
183. 6:051914. Um, you know, the end of the
184. 6:07world. It didn't happen. So, then they
185. 6:09kind of backtracked and said, well,
186. 6:11Jesus returned invisibly. So, his rule
187. 6:14on earth began, but it's invisible. And
188. 6:15it's really now he's ruling from the
189. 6:18Watchtower organization secretly. But
190. 6:21Matthew 24, Jesus specifically warns if
191. 6:24anybody tells you that the Christ has
192. 6:26returned and he's in some secret room,
193. 6:28don't believe them because every eye
194. 6:30will see him. Everyone. So again,
195. 6:33scripture was refuting Jehovah's Witness
196. 6:35teaching before it had been invented.
197. 6:37It's it's kind of amazing when the
198. 6:38fornowledge of God there. Let's talk
199. 6:41about salvation. Um, so Jehovah's
200. 6:43Witness teaching about salvation, the
201. 6:44things that these people are taught, and
202. 6:46I and my heart goes out to Jehovah's
203. 6:47Witnesses. I care for them, but I I I
204. 6:49hate the things they're taught because
205. 6:50they're not true. There are four
206. 6:52requirements for salvation, and it's not
207. 6:54just Jesus. Let me give you a quote.
208. 6:56This is from studies in the scriptures.
209. 6:57This is an authoritative source for
210. 6:58them. Page 150, volume 1. The ransom for
211. 7:02all given by the man Christ Jesus does
212. 7:05not give or guarantee everlasting life
213. 7:07or blessing to any man. See, Jesus is
214. 7:10not enough. This is a really important
215. 7:11teaching for them. So there's four
216. 7:13requirements. You have to number one
217. 7:15take in the knowledge of God and of
218. 7:17Jesus Christ. But what they mean is the
219. 7:20knowledge that Jesus is a created being
220. 7:22whose body dissolved in the grave who
221. 7:24did not physically rise.
222. 7:26That's the false. So you have to take in
223. 7:28a false Christ as part of their
224. 7:29salvation rules. Number two, you have to
225. 7:31obey God's laws, which means you have
226. 7:32works you have to perform to earn your
227. 7:34salvation. This is when you reach out to
228. 7:37Jehovah's Witnesses, you can realize
229. 7:38they're laboring under a work system.
230. 7:40And the freedom and the peace and the
231. 7:43the salve for our weary souls comes
232. 7:45through realizing the gospel of grace.
233. 7:47And that that's the number one thing we
234. 7:49want to present to them. Number three,
235. 7:50you have to belong to Jehovah's
236. 7:52Witnesses organ organization. You have
237. 7:54to become a JW. If you're not officially
238. 7:56part of the JWS, you don't have
239. 7:58salvation. Now, imagine if you're So,
240. 8:01I'm part of Calvary Chapel churches.
241. 8:03Imagine if I was teaching guys. If
242. 8:04you're not part of Calvary Chapel,
243. 8:06you're going to hell. [laughter]
244. 8:08That alone is enough of a red flag to
245. 8:10know that you don't want to be part of
246. 8:11Calvary Chapel at that point. Um, yeah,
247. 8:14you have to actually belong to their
248. 8:15organization. And they use various
249. 8:18scriptures to try to support this, but
250. 8:19they're all radically out of context.
251. 8:21So, um, number four, I'll give you
252. 8:23number four now. Loyalty. Loyalty is
253. 8:26required. Now, loyalty is a pretty
254. 8:27generic thing to say. You got to be
255. 8:29loyal. But what they mean and where they
256. 8:31measure loyalty, one of the number one
257. 8:32ways they measure it is that you're
258. 8:34promoting the JW organization by going
259. 8:36doortodoor or in some way giving out
260. 8:39magazines and JW material.
261. 8:43This is why Jehovah's Witnesses are
262. 8:45going doortodoor. It's part of the
263. 8:47salvation deal for them. You're required
264. 8:50to go at least an hour a month to be
265. 8:52considered an active publisher. And if
266. 8:54you're not an active publisher, if
267. 8:55you're an inactive publisher, you're in
268. 8:57danger that when Armageddon comes around
269. 8:59the corner, you may you may suffer as a
270. 9:02result. You might be outside. So, this
271. 9:04this is um very much a workspace thing.
272. 9:07Very much a workspace thing. And you can
273. 9:09kind of see this when you see them go
274. 9:10door to door. And in my neighborhood, I
275. 9:12noticed this where they would um
276. 9:14everywhere I've lived, I've noticed this
277. 9:15that Jehovah's Witnesses would often
278. 9:17walk really slow doortodoor. And I
279. 9:19always thought that was so weird because
280. 9:20I've witnessed I'm not witnessing door
281. 9:22to door. I've got tracks and I'm
282. 9:23thinking I got two hours, right? And I I
283. 9:25hit like probably 20 times as many
284. 9:28houses as they do because I'm in a
285. 9:29hurry.
286. 9:31Huh?
287. 9:31They got to get through that hour.
288. 9:33Yeah. And and I and so when I actually
289. 9:36interviewed some former JWS, they told
290. 9:38me that this was this wasn't just my
291. 9:39observation. This was like a well-known
292. 9:41fact. And they call it the pioneer plot.
293. 9:44That's like the nickname they have for
294. 9:46it because they're considered pioneers
295. 9:47going out. They call it the pioneer plot
296. 9:49where you just like walk real nice and
297. 9:50slow so you don't have to because it's
298. 9:52uncomfortable to encounter people on
299. 9:54their door and and and the JWs get all
300. 9:56kinds of mistreatment and rude behavior
301. 9:58from people um that is wrong and I
302. 10:01understand why they would have a hard
303. 10:02time with it. All right, let's talk
304. 10:04about authority. That's salvation.
305. 10:05[clears throat]
306. 10:06Jehovah's Witness beliefs about
307. 10:07authority. They say the Bible's their
308. 10:09authority, but there's a big problem and
309. 10:11that is that they have a butchered Bible
310. 10:14translation and they become
311. 10:15conspiratorial that all other Bible
312. 10:17translations are not trustworthy. So
313. 10:19when you show them a verse that refutes
314. 10:22their theology, the immediate thought
315. 10:24is, "Oh, but that's been changed because
316. 10:26they trust the organization." They
317. 10:29instead of having the Bible ultimately
318. 10:31as their authority, the real authority
319. 10:32is what's called the governing body. And
320. 10:35what you have to understand about the
321. 10:37Jehovah's Witnesses is not just a name
322. 10:38given to people who have shared beliefs,
323. 10:40but rather it's actually a governmental
324. 10:42group. And they're run by the governing
325. 10:45body, which is eight men who live in New
326. 10:47York City. They they to quote them, they
327. 10:50formulate doctrine. They oversee
328. 10:52publishing and they send out these two
329. 10:54magazines. You've seen them on your
330. 10:55doorstep. The Watchtower and the Awake
331. 10:57magazine. And one day, this is Jehovah's
332. 11:00Witness beliefs. One day when judgment
333. 11:02comes, your survival is going to depend
334. 11:04on following the instructions of these
335. 11:06eight guys in New York. Like your
336. 11:08literal earthly survival will depend on
337. 11:10it. Judgment will come and you have to
338. 11:12be ready at the drop of a hat to just go
339. 11:14do whatever they say. Let me quote some
340. 11:15sources on this because I want people to
341. 11:17know this is this is not me making I'm
342. 11:18not trying to rip on JWS. I wish the
343. 11:20theology was better than this. Right.
344. 11:23So, from Watchtower 2013, July 15th,
345. 11:26page 20, the faithful slave, and that's
346. 11:29a nickname they have for their own
347. 11:30organization, and they're really
348. 11:31referring to the to the eight men in New
349. 11:33York. The faithful slave is the channel
350. 11:35through which Jesus is feeding his true
351. 11:37followers in this time of the end. It is
352. 11:40vital that we recognize the faithful
353. 11:42slave. Our spiritual health and our
354. 11:44relationship with God depend on this
355. 11:47channel. Obedience to these men
356. 11:49determines your salvation.
357. 11:52Then we have um from jw.org on the 10th
358. 11:55of November 2012 which says the faithful
359. 11:58and discrete slave was appointed over
360. 12:00Jesus's domestics in 1919. That means
361. 12:03the church. The slave is the small
362. 12:06composite group of anointed brothers
363. 12:08serving at world headquarters. That's
364. 12:10eight guys in New York during Christ's
365. 12:12presence. That's because they believe
366. 12:14Jesus is invisibly present somehow with
367. 12:16them who are directly involved in
368. 12:19preparing and dispensing spiritual food.
369. 12:21When this group work together as the
370. 12:23governing body, they act as the faithful
371. 12:25and discrete slave. Now, this has been
372. 12:27an evolution over time. Originally, the
373. 12:29faithful and discreet slave was all the
374. 12:31Jehovah's Witnesses. Then it became the
375. 12:33leadership, just the general leadership
376. 12:35organization. Then it became the eight
377. 12:37guys, which is why in 2012 it's eight
378. 12:40guys in New York. you go back 60 years,
379. 12:43it's more of a group thing. So, they've
380. 12:45um slowly amassed more power and control
381. 12:47over time. Let me give you a couple
382. 12:50other things. Um, miscellaneous other
383. 12:52stuff. This organ, this organization,
384. 12:54this religion's only existed since about
385. 12:56the 1870s. That was when it was first
386. 12:58founded. So, it's pretty new. Kind of
387. 12:59like LDS church. It's actually not just
388. 13:02a religious belief. It's an insulated,
389. 13:04and this is key. It's an insulated
390. 13:06social community. This is the biggest
391. 13:09thing with dealing with JWS is realizing
392. 13:11they're part of an insulated social
393. 13:13community. They're told, "Never Google
394. 13:17Jehovah's Witnesses." They're told this
395. 13:20from their leaders. Don't ever Google
396. 13:22our group. That's I mean, from our
397. 13:25perspective, oh, you think, well, that's
398. 13:26creepy. But I want you to understand the
399. 13:28suspicion this creates because they're
400. 13:29going to look at you guys as you try to
401. 13:31witness to them with all this suspicion.
402. 13:33I' I've got JW telling me on my videos,
403. 13:35Mike, you're you're an apostate. I'm
404. 13:36sure you're a secretly an apostate JW
405. 13:38and so I so I can just ignore you and
406. 13:40not listen to you and and you're you're
407. 13:42a liar. Um but that's it's not that
408. 13:44they're trying to be mean. It's that
409. 13:46they've been paranoia has been created
410. 13:48in them towards everybody. So here's
411. 13:50some conspiratorial things that they're
412. 13:52being told. Um if you do have to
413. 13:54research only use jw.org,
414. 13:57right? Or other watchtower websites for
415. 13:59research. That's I mean that's not
416. 14:00really research, right? Research which
417. 14:02means always check our source. what we
418. 14:05say. That's your research. [laughter]
419. 14:06That's not really research. Um there
420. 14:09they believe that all Christianity has
421. 14:10been apostate since the 2n century. They
422. 14:13believe that the Bible has been been
423. 14:15butchered and that they've fixed it with
424. 14:17their New World Translation. All other
425. 14:18translations are suspect. They believe
426. 14:20the Holy Spirit is God's active force.
427. 14:22He's impersonal. That's just a random
428. 14:23thing. They believe the Trinity is
429. 14:25pagan. They believe that you need to
430. 14:27call God Jehovah or else. They believe
431. 14:29that birthday celebrations are pagan.
432. 14:31Military service is pagan. Christmas is
433. 14:33pagan. Easter is pagan. You all are
434. 14:35pagan and that's why we can't trust you.
435. 14:38So it creates this insulated social
436. 14:40community. So that breaking through that
437. 14:42has to do with a lot of trying to create
438. 14:43goodwill between you and a Jehovah's
439. 14:45Witness person where they realize like
440. 14:47I'm not here to attack you, right? I'm
441. 14:49trying to share what I think is good and
442. 14:51wonderful truth with you. And a lot of
443. 14:53reaching them, how to approach them is
444. 14:55going to be like getting them to
445. 14:57question the governing body because so
446. 14:59much of what they believe is depending
447. 15:00on just trusting those guys. So, I would
448. 15:03recommend a few things. Use JW sources.
449. 15:06What I've held up earlier, this is a
450. 15:07kingdom interlinear. I know a little bit
451. 15:09of Greek. And so, I'm able to actually
452. 15:11use this. It has the Greek alongside
453. 15:12with their translation. And I can show
454. 15:14in their own works where they've
455. 15:16mistransated the Bible. And then I can
456. 15:18pull up to the front and I can say, and
457. 15:20I've done this before. I, you know, I
458. 15:22share this with the with Jehovah's
459. 15:23Witnesses. They go, "Well, that's not
460. 15:25that's not Watchtower literature." So,
461. 15:26they were going to ignore everything I
462. 15:28said. And I said, "Oh, no, but it is.
463. 15:30Look, this is Watchtower. published by
464. 15:31you guys. And now he was like, "Oh, you
465. 15:34see the this the suspect attitude
466. 15:37towards everyone other than the
467. 15:39Watchtower means that you even if it
468. 15:41looks like this proves Jehovah's Witness
469. 15:43teaching wrong, we can ignore it because
470. 15:45it's not from our own sources." So I say
471. 15:48use their own sources whenever possible.
472. 15:49If you want to prove the deity of Jesus,
473. 15:50prove it from their New World
474. 15:51Translation. There are still passages
475. 15:53that do that. If you want to talk about
476. 15:55weird beliefs or problems, go to go to
477. 15:57Watchtower literature. And now it's
478. 15:59easier than ever. They actually have a a
479. 16:02phone app. I got my phone over here
480. 16:03somewhere. Uh that it's it's JW um
481. 16:06library. That's the name of the app. And
482. 16:08you can access the inner linear for
483. 16:10free. This thing used to be hard to get.
484. 16:12I had to like hunt for it, you know. So
485. 16:14yeah. Um I'd also recommend you guys
486. 16:16stick to one issue, study it well, be
487. 16:19ready, and do not let them change the
488. 16:20subject when you start nailing them down
489. 16:22on a problem with the theology. Don't
490. 16:23just say, "Hey, can we come back to that
491. 16:25later? I I want to finish this talk
492. 16:26first." And for this, I have hours and
493. 16:29hours of free content on my on my
494. 16:30YouTube channel. Like, I'm not trying to
495. 16:31get anything out of you. I've spent a
496. 16:33lot of time prepping this. I have a
497. 16:34whole video on how to reach Jehovah's
498. 16:36Witnesses with strategies and stuff. But
499. 16:38number one is going to be like like what
500. 16:39you said, Alan. Show them love. They're
501. 16:41used to being mistreated. They're
502. 16:43suspicious of outsiders. You got to
503. 16:45break through that with not fake love,
504. 16:48right? Genuine compassion and care for
505. 16:50them as human beings.
506. 16:51Yeah.
507. 16:52Yeah.
508. 16:52What do you think, Alan? You got
509. 16:53anything to add or or take away, maybe?
510. 16:55No. First of all, thank you for that
511. 16:56thorough reply, guys. And um also, I'm
512. 16:58going to ask Mike to send me some links,
513. 17:00uh or I'll try to snag them from his
514. 17:02YouTube channel. Um you know, just the
515. 17:05work that he's done because like I said,
516. 17:06we're not going to be able to cover
517. 17:07everything here. But if you're really
518. 17:08serious about really trying to reach
519. 17:10these six groups, and that was the
520. 17:12second group that we talked about. If
521. 17:13you're just coming in, we already talked
522. 17:15about the Mormon uh well, the Mormon
523. 17:18Church, which uh the Latter Church of
524. 17:20Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And
525. 17:22now, uh, Mike gave us a good thorough,
526. 17:24um, explanation on Jehovah's Witnesses,
527. 17:27but if you're really wanting to go
528. 17:28deeper, then both of us have some
529. 17:30resources. I'm going to try to link all
530. 17:31the videos that we have, both of our
531. 17:33channels below um, in the description.
532. 17:36Uh, but also, Mike, uh, if you want to
533. 17:38quickly comment on this one, and I
534. 17:40actually have a video on my channel
535. 17:41about this specific topic, but what are
536. 17:43your thoughts on their idea that only
537. 17:45144,000 people are going to go to
538. 17:47heaven?
539. 17:48Yeah. So, this is really, really
540. 17:51involved, but I'll give the super short
541. 17:52summary, right? Originally, they teach
542. 17:54in Revelation 144,000. These are like
543. 17:57the only saved people, period.
544. 17:59But as their numbers grew, you know,
545. 18:01they're going to go to heaven. They're
546. 18:02like, "Well, we got more than 144,000,
547. 18:04so we got to explain what happens to the
548. 18:06rest of our followers." So, then they
549. 18:07said, "Okay, the 144,000, they're the
550. 18:09ones that go to heaven, and the rest of
551. 18:10us live on paradise earth." So, they
552. 18:12separate our eternal future destinies in
553. 18:15two locations. One is heaven and you're
554. 18:17kind of without a body. You're bodyless
555. 18:19in heaven. And the rest of them, most of
556. 18:21the Jehovah's Witnesses, think they'll
557. 18:22live on paradise earth. And now they're
558. 18:24told like, "You don't want to be one of
559. 18:25the 144. You get no body. You want to
560. 18:27live on paradise earth." Now, in
561. 18:28Revelation, the 144,000 are just 144,000
562. 18:32Jewish people, all right, that are
563. 18:34they're not the only people saved.
564. 18:35They're not the only ones who experience
565. 18:36heaven or something. And then heaven,
566. 18:38when it does come, it comes to earth,
567. 18:41right? The new heavens and new earth
568. 18:42meet. There isn't paradise, earth, and
569. 18:44then heaven a different location. Like
570. 18:46heaven and earth meet, man, Jerusalem
571. 18:47comes down, man. That's the whole
572. 18:49consummation of glorious relationship
573. 18:51with God and each other. So yeah, those
574. 18:53are the um I guess that's the short
575. 18:54version. Yeah.