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0:29[Applause]
0:39[Applause]
0:44This is a real mystery. friends and
0:46family of this young woman, Lacy
0:48Peterson, are gathering at the family
0:50home. You can see that they've been
0:52putting up fires in the neighborhood
0:53here for the last day and a half.
0:55They've also been canvasing a park which
0:57is nearby this area where Lacy was last
1:00seen on Christmas Eve about 9:30 in the
1:02morning. Her husband Scott had gone to
1:05the Bay Area to go fishing. When he
1:07returned, Lacy was nowhere to be found.
1:12>> No parent should ever have to think
1:13about the way their child was murdered.
1:16In my mind, I could hear Lacy say to me,
1:18"Mom, please find me and Connor and
1:20bring us home. I'm scared. Please don't
1:24leave us out here all alone."
1:29So on December 24th about uh 7:30 in the
1:34evening, I got a phone call and whenever
1:37the phone rings at night, I know it's
1:39probably work and it's bad news, but it
1:41was it was my sergeant. And Sergeant Al
1:44Carter told me that there was a missing
1:46person in Modesto and she was pregnant
1:49and the the officers on scene were
1:53wanting to have a detective come out and
1:55uh assist in their investigation.
1:58So I told him I'd go and it was
2:01Christmas Eve and we were at having
2:03dinner with my kids and my wife and I
2:05finished my dinner and I got in my car
2:09and I started heading towards Modesto
2:11about hour and a half away. When I
2:14arrived at Cavina which was the unusual
2:17part was there was a lot of people there
2:19in the driveway. I mean, there was co,
2:22you know, thermoses of coffee. People
2:24were already putting up flyers and I met
2:27with the sergeant and the officers and
2:29they kind of briefed me and then they
2:31introduced me to Scott and I introduced
2:34myself to him and I uh
2:37asked him to walk me through the house
2:39and kind of walk me through the day and
2:42tell me what he knew about when he last
2:45saw uh Lacy.
2:49[Music]
2:56I've been around the block a few times
2:58and I didn't I was just thinking it was
3:01a missing person case. I mean, I could
3:03hear uh on my way down I could hear uh
3:08the helicopters
3:09over the radio when when cops would
3:11talk. I heard they were in the park
3:14searching. So, I knew they were
3:15searching. And when I met Scott, I had
3:18no I mean, he just I've never met him
3:20before. He seemed like a nice guy. I
3:21just there to do my job. Scott walked me
3:24through the house, showed me his house.
3:27He allowed me to uh search his cars, his
3:31truck and her car. There was some things
3:33that were unusual for me for my, you
3:36know, just the my gut feelings. I wasn't
3:39feeling like, oh, he did something to
3:41her yet, but I had unusual or gut
3:45feelings about things. I mean, like when
3:47I searched his truck,
3:51uh, I opened the back door and it
3:54accidentally hit her Land Rover and he
3:58was right jolly on the spot with a,
4:01"Hey, Al," and he called me Al right
4:02from the beginning. Hey, I'll I'll move
4:04my truck or can I put this glove between
4:07the door and the Land Rover? And I said,
4:09"Hey, Scott, I'll you know, I'll be a
4:10little more careful. I'm not going to,
4:12you know, I won't do that again." But I
4:13mean, I'm thinking, "Okay, your wife's
4:15missing and you're focused right now on
4:17I bumped the door into the truck." And
4:21uh so I just was that was unusual. And
4:24then in the truck, I mean in the back of
4:27the truck, I noticed there was some
4:29umbrellas all wrapped in a blue tarp.
4:32And I asked him, I said, "What's what's
4:34this, Scott?" He says, "Oh, those are my
4:36outdoor umbrellas. I'm going to move
4:38them to the shop." And I'm in my head,
4:40I'm thinking, "Okay, why not just throw
4:42them in the truck? Move them to the shop
4:43and put them in there." But he's got
4:44them all wrapped up in a blue tarp. That
4:46was kind of weird. And then there was
4:48another big tarp in the back of the
4:49truck, all just kind of bunched up back
4:52there. And I just noted those things.
4:55And when I searched the interior of the
4:56truck, he had told me it was his
4:59decision to go fishing that morning.
5:02But in the truck, I found a receipt from
5:04Big Five where on the 20th, he had
5:07purchased a two-day fishing license and
5:09dated it the 23rd and 24th. And so I
5:12thought that didn't add up. And he told
5:15me that when he got home,
5:18he he took all his clothes off and put
5:22them in the washing machine because they
5:24were wet.
5:26and the the the jacket he was wearing
5:29when he was fishing was in his truck and
5:30it wasn't wet. And so I I'm just noting
5:33these things in my head and they're just
5:35they're not, you know, not adding up the
5:38way I would expect them to be. And so I
5:40just kept noting those things and uh and
5:45moved on. I asked him if he would take
5:47me to where the boat was, his shop, and
5:50he agreed and we went over to the shop.
5:53And all during this time, I'm telling
5:55Scott, uh,
5:58there's cops and detectives, searching,
6:02knocking on doors, interviewing people,
6:05but my primary job with you, Scott, is
6:08to eliminate you, or not eliminate you
6:12yet, but my job is to uh I don't want to
6:16say eliminate, but eliminate you as any
6:18kind of a suspect. And so, I have to ask
6:21you hard questions. and my experience
6:23tells me you're not going to like me
6:24very much by the end of this. He agreed
6:27and he said that he understood and uh he
6:30would answer all my questions. And then
6:32I asked him to come back to the police
6:34department for an interview.
6:36>> When do you realize you're going to go
6:38fish?
6:41>> That was a morning decision. I was also
6:44played all the club
6:49seemed too cold
6:51at the club. So she told what she was
6:53going to do for the day and
6:55>> Okay. So she told you what she was going
6:57to do for the day.
6:58>> Yeah.
6:59>> And what was that?
7:01>> Um she's going to finish cleaning up.
7:03Like I said, she
7:07um
7:09take the dog for a walk and then she is
7:11going to the store to buy for
7:14Christmas morning breakfast tomorrow.
7:19[Music]
7:45Well, so when I interviewed Scott, I
7:48mean, during the interview, I didn't
7:50really notice a lot. I mean, I'm just
7:53talking to him and he's answering my
7:54question, but then later when you I sit
7:56back and I watch it and I I I watch it.
7:59I mean, he is I mean, he's got his hands
8:02in his pockets. I mean, he's leaning
8:03back in the in the chair. I mean, it's
8:07comfortable. And I mean, I think at one
8:10point too, the phone rang and I mean, he
8:11he looked at it. He goes, "Oh, you know,
8:13that's just so and so." And he didn't
8:15even answer it. And I'm thinking, "Okay,
8:18what if that was so and so saying, "Hey,
8:20Lacy's over at my house." But I mean, he
8:22knew she wasn't coming back. And uh but
8:26I didn't know it when I was talking to
8:29him. I'm starting after I'm watching it,
8:32then I'm uh getting those feelings.
8:35Okay. So, if you got to the about five
8:38minutes to one, you get your boat in.
8:41How long you think you stay in the
8:42water?
8:44Felt like an hour and a half or so.
8:48>> Would you be uh willing for me to take a
8:51gunshot res? Sure.
9:00Exhaust show.
9:03What?
9:06>> Well, you showered after you said so.
9:31Did you have a map for that area or you
9:33know would you just we wing it? So you
9:36just when you got in your boat you took
9:38off. Did you go very far? Well I mean
9:43right mile north um found a
9:48like a little island kind of deal there.
9:59island had a bunch of trash on it. I
10:01remember a big sign that said no
10:03landing.
10:07[Music]
10:09It looked like some real pures around
10:11and I just assumed it would be a
10:13decent shallow area.
10:23[Music]
10:29Christmas day, I get a call from Al
10:31Brokini uh in the morning, right about
10:33nine o'clock. And first thing he does,
10:35he asked me what I'm doing. I said,
10:37well, you probably remember what I'm
10:38doing. I'm taking my kids over to their
10:40mom's. And I'm thinking, well, this is a
10:43call for overtime. And I asked him
10:45what's going on. He said he had a
10:47missing that um he was working. And I
10:50asked him if he needed any help, and he
10:52said he did. He told me that he had
10:54actually worked on this case from the
10:55prior evening on Christmas Eve. Uh he
10:58had been called out uh to talk to Scott
11:00and interview him regarding Lacy being
11:03missing. And in the process of doing
11:05this, he didn't find anything that was
11:07obvious that made him think that Scott
11:09had done anything wrong. But Scott's
11:11demeanor was a little bit too calm
11:13compared to the other family members.
11:15And he had documented a bunch of things
11:17that uh were essential later on in the
11:19investigation. uh like no forced entry
11:22into the house and Scott's demeanor and
11:24specific things that Scott did when he
11:26came back from fishing. When it came to
11:28his conversations, I remember the one
11:29that that was suspicious to me from the
11:31start, Brokini played it for me on that
11:33first day on Christmas Day. When Scott
11:36was coming back from Berkeley Marina,
11:38he'd made a call to Lacy. Uh her cell
11:40phone battery was dead. Uh people had
11:43known that, but he left a message. Um
11:45and it was words to the effect of, "Hey,
11:47beautiful. I'm coming back from
11:48fishing." and I'm not going to be able
11:50to make it to Vela Farms. Can you go
11:52pick up that uh gift basket for Papa and
11:56I love you? And it just it it just the
11:59tone of it to me was scripted um phrased
12:04in a way to show that he was devoted to
12:06this girl and and I don't want to have
12:08the suspicion on me so I'm leaving this
12:10recording to get you guys on a different
12:12track. So, we're suspicious of a lot of
12:15things because people that talk to
12:19detectives often times have a reason to
12:20lie and so you have to verify these
12:22through a variety of different ways.
12:25>> Okay, beautiful. I just left a message
12:27at home. Uh 2:15 Len Berkeley. I won't
12:30be able to get to the Villa Farms to get
12:31that basket for Papa. I was hoping you
12:34would get this message and go on out
12:36there. I'll see you in a bit. We love
12:38you. Bye.
12:40>> End of message. But in addition to that,
12:43he said that we had to go back out there
12:45and talk to Scott a little bit more,
12:46which was fine with me because I hadn't
12:48met him yet. And we pulled up on Coina,
12:50uh, facing south, pulled up next to the
12:52house on the curb there. And I saw Scott
12:55up to the left. He was walking from the
12:57southeast to the northwest and we got
12:59out of the car. Al greeted him. You
13:01remembered Al from the prior evening.
13:03And Al introduced me to Scott. And first
13:06impression, like anybody's first
13:07impression of Scott, is pleasant,
13:09friendly. Uh, very controlled. Uh, he
13:12wasn't panicked. He wasn't um frantic or
13:16anything like that. He didn't have a lot
13:18of questions for us, which seemed kind
13:21of strange for me, but I'd only been
13:22with him for a few moments at that time.
13:24So, right after that, I went over to
13:27talk to the neighbor to the south, Karen
13:28Service, to get more details from her,
13:30specifically when she found the dog, how
13:33she found the dog, and the things that
13:34were taking place uh on Christmas Eve
13:37for her that day. Karen was like one of
13:39the neighbors that you would really want
13:41to have living next door to you. She was
13:43um very friendly. She was uh very
13:46accurate about things that she
13:47remembered from the day prior as far as
13:49finding the dog with the leash, putting
13:51the dog back in the Peterson's backyard.
13:53In addition to that, she had left uh to
13:56go shopping in downtown Modesto and she
13:58had a receipt for a purchase that she
14:00made that helped us determine the time
14:02between when Scott left the house and
14:05when the dog was discovered. And that
14:08was very helpful to show that there
14:09wasn't a lot of time between when Scott
14:11pulled out of the driveway and the dog
14:13was found. So, she gave us background
14:16information about Scott and Lacy. She'd
14:18been to their house many times for
14:19barbecues and events and things like
14:21that and just good neighbors. Nothing
14:24bad to say about either one of them. Uh
14:27Scott was very helpful to her at her
14:29house. Scott was handy uh so he could
14:31fix things because she was living alone
14:34at that time. And again, just it started
14:36to become a common theme that we were
14:38finding that everybody pretty much loved
14:40Scott.
15:06One of the things that came up when I
15:07first met Scott, and this existed
15:09throughout all of our contacts, which
15:11were pretty much always pleasant, uh
15:13Scott was pretty easy to deal with. His
15:15cooperation was guarded um and it was
15:18limited. If we got into areas that he
15:20didn't want to go into, uh he would
15:22mention his attorney and that he'd have
15:24to run that information by his attorney.
15:26Pretty unusual for us in a situation
15:28like this. Usually people don't do that.
15:30They have the right to do it, but
15:31generally they don't. They don't put
15:33limits on their cooperation. But
15:35comparing Scott, from the day I met him
15:38all the way until the last time I saw
15:40him, he never showed any frantic desire
15:45to figure out what happened to Lacy
15:47compared to her mom Sharon, her sister
15:50Amy, her brother Brent. Um, everybody
15:54that was from Lacy's circle, whether it
15:56was Stacy or Lori or Renee or Kim or Ron
16:00Gransky, um, Dennis Roachcha, Lacy's
16:03father, everybody was frantic about
16:06where she was, what happened to her,
16:08when she was coming back, with the
16:10exception of Scott. Now, this could mean
16:12that he just had an enormous amount of
16:13self-control, which I believe he does,
16:16but it also um I've seen it before in
16:19other cases where I had guys like this
16:21that didn't show that. So, it was
16:24something I'd seen before. It didn't
16:26mean that he had killed her, but because
16:28of his demeanor and because of his
16:30limited cooperation, it just meant that
16:32we had to keep digging until we could
16:34find out that he either didn't have
16:36anything to do with Lacy's disappearance
16:38or enough evidence came up to show us
16:40that he did.
17:24[Music]
17:47[Music]
18:11[Music]
18:24keeping all angles open right now, but
18:26from talking to the family and friends
18:29of the family um who are been extremely
18:33cooperative and helpful in this
18:34investigation, this is completely out of
18:36character for her and her lifestyle.
18:39Scott was very cooperative when it came
18:42to giving a timeline on what he was
18:43doing when he was talking to Al Brokini.
18:45So, he explained that he had uh loaded
18:48some uh patio umbrellas into the back of
18:50his pickup truck and he had had these in
18:53the backyard and he was moving those
18:55over to his warehouse so they wouldn't
18:57be around apparently during the holiday
18:59season. And as he did that, he had the
19:03truck backed in the driveway. And a
19:06couple of the neighbors had mentioned
19:07they had never ever seen him back the
19:10truck in the driveway. So when he backed
19:12it in, it was real handy. The back of
19:14the truck was right by the door that
19:16goes out from the um it's kind of like a
19:18TV room uh that they had in the front of
19:21the house. It was a converted garage and
19:23there was a side door on the north side
19:25that went out to the truck. and he
19:28loaded the patio umbrellas into the
19:30truck. My belief is he loaded those on
19:32top of Lacy as a way to disguise her so
19:34that if anybody looked in the bed of the
19:36truck, they wouldn't see her. She was
19:37probably wrapped up in something. I
19:39don't know what it was. There was all
19:41sorts of different theories on whether
19:43it was a blue tarp or whether it was a
19:45blanket or anything like that, but it
19:47fits with some little minor evidence
19:50things that were noticed early on. there
19:51was a a a throw rug that was by this
19:54door that goes out to the north side of
19:56the house by the carport and that throw
19:59rug was bunched up by the door. Now,
20:01Scott gave the explanation to that that
20:03the cat or the dog had done that and
20:06maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but it
20:08wouldn't be inconsistent with dragging a
20:11dead body from the bedroom across the
20:14floor through that TV room out to the
20:17truck and bunching up the rug in the
20:19process. So, the thing about the patio
20:22umbrellas that was kind of interesting
20:24was he didn't leave them at the
20:26warehouse. He did bring them back to the
20:28house after he returned from the fishing
20:30trip. And so, that's it. By itself, it
20:35really means nothing. But when you start
20:38categories of evidence and you start
20:42putting these things together and adding
20:44them up, you start making a list of
20:46circumstantial evidence that doesn't
20:49make sense. And the umbrellas being
20:52returned were part of that. So when
20:54Scott left the house, we were able to
20:57determine through cell phone records and
20:59where his cell phone was pinging on the
21:02antennas that he drove to his warehouse
21:05over in West Modesto near the freeway
21:08and he stayed there for a certain period
21:09of time. His explanation while he was
21:11there is he checked his um email. He had
21:15a mortising tool that had been delivered
21:18for woodworking and that he partially
21:21assembled while he was there. And then
21:23he backed the truck in and hooked up the
21:26boat trailer to the truck. And then he
21:29drove up to Berkeley Marina, launched
21:31the boat, drove or
21:34piloted the boat north through the bay
21:36towards Brooks Island. He had specific
21:39details about the sign that was on
21:41Brooks Island as far as you can't land
21:43here. You can't get on the the island,
21:45there's no trespassing there. And then
21:47he came back. He had a a timed stamped
21:51parking permit that he'd gotten when he
21:52pulled into the parking lot there at
21:54Berkeley Marina. Um, apparently some
21:57guys saw him either launching his boat
21:59or recovering his boat with the trailer,
22:01trying to load it, and I guess he backed
22:03a trailer about the way I would, not
22:05very skilled, and and um they made some
22:08remarks on it, and he was noticed. And
22:10I'm not sure if that was the reason that
22:12he finally changed his alibi that
22:15originally he had told earlier was going
22:17to be for golfing.
22:19The day before when he had gotten his
22:21haircut uh by uh Lacy's sister Amy, he
22:26had mentioned to her that on Christmas
22:28Eve he was going to go golfing at Del
22:30Rio Country Club. He'd also told this to
22:33Ron Gransky, who was Lacy's stepdad,
22:36Sharon's longtime companion. And later
22:41on he changed that alibi. He said it was
22:43too cold to go golfing. So he decided to
22:45go fishing.
22:47Well, that doesn't make much sense to
22:49me. Uh you go out on the water, it's
22:52going to be colder on the water than it
22:54is going to be on the golf course. And
22:55then of course you're driving 80 miles
22:58to go up to Berkeley to launch your
22:59boat. It didn't seem to make too much
23:01sense when he could just go up to the
23:02Sierras up to Woodward Reservoir, maybe
23:0430 mi away, and launch his boat up
23:05there. But regardless, this is one of
23:08the things that he did when he went
23:10there. Now, there's been people in the
23:11past that have made remarks about uh
23:14Lacy being in the bed of the truck and
23:16that she could have been spotted. Well,
23:18maybe she could have been if she wasn't
23:20wrapped up, if she wasn't disguised, if
23:22she wasn't under the patio umbrellas.
23:24But also, this is on Christmas Eve, and
23:27there wasn't a lot of activity at this
23:29warehouse. It was kind of like a kind of
23:31like a strip mall warehouse, overhead
23:33doors, things like that. But there was
23:35no flurry of activity before the
23:38holidays because it wasn't retail kind
23:41of uh situation where people are
23:43shopping. So it would have been real
23:45easy for him to back the truck partially
23:47into the warehouse itself and transfer
23:51Lacy's wrapped up body into the boat,
23:54cover the boat with the boat cover, and
23:56then hook the trailer up to the truck
23:58and drive up to Berkeley. And once he
24:01got up there, he said he took the boat
24:03out for a while. He said he did some
24:05fishing, but he was never specific with
24:07any of the officers or even with Brokini
24:09as far as what he was fishing for. He
24:12had a two-day fishing license that he
24:15had purchased on December 20th, but he
24:18had not filled in the date as far as
24:19when he was going to be fishing uh when
24:21he purchased the license. So, that to me
24:24also goes along with some premeditation
24:26because it was open-ended as far as if
24:29or when he was going to kill Lacy. But
24:32in addition to that, his packages of
24:35lures, which were for freshwater
24:37fishing, substantially different from
24:38saltwater fishing, had not even been
24:40opened. So the boat did test positive
24:43for having salt water in the motor and
24:45in the bottom of the boat. But there was
24:47no evidence that he was doing any
24:49fishing and he couldn't speak
24:50specifically about fishing. Whereas if
24:53you go across the street here to my
24:54neighbor's house and you mention fishing
24:56for him to him, he'll talk to you for
24:58three hours about it and he knows
24:59exactly what he's looking for. So open
25:02things like this that don't really make
25:04sense make detectives suspicious. U and
25:08we look for answers on things like that
25:11and that's what we were doing with
25:12Scott.
25:13>> Okay. So one thing uh that I found
25:18interesting or during the investigation
25:20was Scott was telling me how concerned
25:24he was cuz he couldn't get a hold of
25:27Lacy. He went fishing. He called her
25:30twice from the boat ramp. Then he called
25:32her again from the gas station and he's
25:35concerned because he's not getting a
25:37hold of her. And so then he he uh goes
25:41back to the shop, drops the boat off,
25:43goes home, and he finds his dog running
25:47around with a leash. That's pretty
25:49concerning to him, too. And then he
25:51finds the door unlocked. He says that's
25:53really concerning to him. But he's So
25:56he's really nervous. He's concerned. But
25:58what does he do? He goes in and only
26:02washes the clothes he's wearing. He
26:04takes the dirty stuff out of the washer.
26:06There's a hamper full of clothes, but he
26:08only washes his shirt and his, you know,
26:11his pants, what he was wearing. Then he
26:14eats some pizza. Then he takes a shower,
26:17gets dressed, then he calls Ron and
26:21Sharon and basically says, "Lacy's
26:23missing. Do you know where she's at?" I
26:25mean, so he's telling me he's real
26:28concerned, but the his actions aren't
26:30showing he's concerned. His actions are
26:32showing, you know, something else. And
26:34so I think
26:36that concerned me, you know, leaving the
26:40leash on the dog and leaving the gate
26:41open, the dog, he knows the dog's going
26:44to run around and it was a rainy day and
26:48and the neighbor found the dog and put
26:49it back and shut the gate. But yeah, I
26:51think that was part of his plan.
26:54Uh the people that whoever has Lacy, uh
26:57the reward is 500,000. Take the money.
27:00Bring my daughter back safe and take the
27:02money and go and get away free. Get out
27:04of here. Just go with the money. Take
27:06the reward and go. Thank you.
27:18The Medina home, which is directly
27:19across the street from the Petersons,
27:21was burglarized around the same time as
27:23Lacy Peterson would have went missing
27:25while walking her dog. A local resident,
27:28a woman by the name of Diane Jackson,
27:29told authorities that as she drove by in
27:32the direction of the park, and this
27:33would have been on December 24th at
27:35about 11:40 a.m., she saw a van parked
27:38in front of the Medina home. Three men
27:41were next to the van and glared at Diane
27:43Jackson as she drove by.
27:48>> One of the pieces of evidence or things
27:51that happened during this case that we
27:53had to deal with was uh there was a
27:56burglary across the street from uh
27:59Scott's house. And this occurred right
28:02around the same time as Lacy went
28:04missing. And so we had a group of
28:08detectives assigned to the burglary
28:10case. If you run it out to a logical
28:12conclusion, if the burglars abducted
28:15Lacy, first off, if they're going to try
28:18and frame Scott, they're not going to
28:20hide the body on the bottom of San
28:22Francisco Bay. Are they going to take
28:24the risk to transport the body when
28:27everybody's looking for Lacy from
28:29Modesto to San Francisco Bay? Much
28:31different than when Scott was going up
28:32there when nobody was looking for Lacy.
28:34In addition to that, um I I I see a lot
28:37of Boers down here and most of them are
28:39not burglars. So to think that there's
28:41burglars that are out boating and things
28:43like that seems kind of suspicious uh to
28:46me that people would actually believe
28:47that they uh pretty much confessed to
28:50the burglary.
28:52They said, you know, one of them, one of
28:55these guys was riding his bike around
28:57the day after Christmas and uh found
28:59that or Christmas Day or the day after
29:02and he uh sees this house is empty and
29:06they he breaks in and sees a safe. So,
29:08he leaves and goes and gets his friend
29:10that has a a a truck and they go back to
29:13the house and they steal the safe and
29:15they steal all the property. Well, after
29:17they got caught, they turned all of that
29:19stuff in. They turned in property from
29:22other burglaries that they had done. Uh
29:26there was a half million dollar reward
29:28that was leading for the return of Lacy
29:31or her or un you know uninjured
29:33recovery. And there was a $50,000 reward
29:36leading to the recovery of her remains
29:38if she was murdered or had met death
29:41some way. And nobody came forward to
29:44collect those uh rewards. One lives with
29:47his mom and the other one lives with his
29:49mom in a shack in the backyard. But I
29:52mean, they had alibis.
29:54People know where they are on Christmas.
29:56I mean, all their alibis checked out.
29:59Their polygraphs were clean. They went
30:01to jail for the burglaries. Uh, we
30:04recovered all kinds of property, but
30:06nothing from Lacy. That was the most
30:11um thoroughly investigated burglary that
30:14we've, you know, done in a long time.
30:16I'm It was thorough. And uh they went to
30:20jail. They did not want to go to jail
30:24with anybody thinking they were involved
30:26in that case. That was one thing both of
30:28them made perfectly clear. There's
30:30certain crimes that people that get
30:33incarcerated don't care about, but there
30:35is a classification of crimes where if
30:38you abduct and kill a mother, a pregnant
30:41mother, you're not going to be looked
30:42upon too favorably by the other people
30:44that are locked up with you. And to
30:46think that these guys are going to jail.
30:48One of them had a warrant. Of course,
30:49they're both arrested for the burglary,
30:50and they know they're going to get
30:51locked up. They were almost begging to
30:53get polygraphs so that they could show
30:55the other inmates that they had nothing
30:57to do with this. All the property that
31:00was taken from the Medina burglary was
31:02recovered and other property that wasn't
31:04even associated with that burglary was
31:06recovered because people that these
31:08burglars had sold that property to or
31:12given it to, they wanted away from that.
31:15And so other property that wasn't even
31:16associated with Medina's burglary was
31:18recovered. We even had a guy that came
31:20in the lobby of the police department
31:21with a bag full of stolen property,
31:23dumped it, masked up, ran out. we they
31:26couldn't catch him because he went down
31:27the street. And this this is the the way
31:31people felt about this case. They didn't
31:32want to be anywhere near it to be
31:35dragged into it. As time went by, of
31:37course, a lot of people are trying to
31:39find reasonable doubt in Scott's uh
31:41guilt by claiming that um well, there
31:43there was that burglary across the
31:45street and um and they we we have that
31:48saying that there's no coincidences in
31:50homicide uh investigations. And that's
31:52generally true. And then people say,
31:55"Well, that's a coincidence, John."
31:57Well, it is, but when you take that by
31:59itself and then you compare it with all
32:02the other coincidences of the stack of
32:05circumstantial evidence against Scott,
32:08the Medina burglary is pretty
32:11minor in comparison.
32:12>> I mean, those guys, like I said, they
32:15live in their backyard with their mother
32:17and ride bikes. There's $500,000 reward.
32:22If they had Lacy somewhere in the shed
32:26with them, they're going to get turned
32:28in. I mean, that's just the bottom line.
32:30I used to I used to carry $500 and I
32:33could buy information from any one of
32:35those guys for a hundred bucks. And so
32:39that's ridiculous. Now, if you're doing
32:43property crime and you're stealing
32:44things from people's homes to support a
32:46drug habit or whatever you're using it
32:48for, to think that if more than one
32:51person knew about Lacy being abducted,
32:54to think that their loyalty would trump
32:57uh a half million dollars,
32:59well, you're you're looking at things
33:02differently than I do. I just don't see
33:04it happening that way, especially when
33:06rewards come out and people come forward
33:08for $50.
33:23We were getting calls of of people
33:25seeing a a pregnant lady walking a dog.
33:28So, we had a knock on a lot of doors. We
33:31interviewed a lot of people. Um, we
33:33found two other pregnant ladies that
33:35were walking their dogs on Christmas.
33:37They were interviewed. Nobody
33:40could
33:42positively say they saw Lacy walking
33:47a dog. In a nutshell,
33:50there was, I believe it was about a 20
33:52minute time window between when Scott
33:54left and when uh Karen Service put the
33:58dog in the backyard. And so the skeptics
34:02want the reasonable doubt to reflect
34:05that during that period of time, Lacy
34:08had come back from the walk, had seen
34:11the burglary taking place across the
34:13street, confronted the burglars in the
34:15van. She'd been abducted in the van,
34:18tossed in there, and and taken away.
34:21Well, it's interesting. You've got all
34:22these different people that come forward
34:24and claim they saw Lacy walking that day
34:27and in a variety of different locations,
34:29all these different sightings, but on
34:31when you scrutinize it a little bit
34:33more, none of the people that claimed
34:34they saw Lacy that day knew her before
34:37that day. So, they couldn't make a match
34:40on familiar facial recognition the way
34:42you could if you see your neighbor day
34:44in and day out.
34:45>> There's a lady missing and you want to
34:47be helpful. Nobody is being uh there
34:49weren't like being sinister or nothing.
34:51They really saw a pregnant lady walking
34:53a dog, they called it in. But when you
34:56show them a photo lineup where if you
34:57show them, did you know? Do you know
34:59Lacy? Well, they never they didn't know
35:01her. But in addition to that, there were
35:04three other gals attractive that walked
35:06the neighborhood. Two of which were
35:08pregnant. One had a chocolate lab. One
35:10had a golden retriever. easily could
35:12have miss been mistaken as Lacy by
35:15somebody who's not specifically familiar
35:17with any of those gals. And so when it
35:20comes to that, intentions often times
35:22are good, but sometimes they're not.
35:24Sometimes people just want to get
35:26involved in the big thing that's going
35:27on. And there might be some of that
35:29going on here. Like if you knew a person
35:34walking, you'd recognize them and you'd
35:36say, "Yeah, okay, that's my neighbor
35:38walking her dog." But if you didn't know
35:39him, uh,
35:42you'd just call in and say you saw a
35:44pregnant lady. So there was there was no
35:47credible Lacy sightings. None.
36:21[Music]
36:23When Al Brokini first looked in the
36:25warehouse on Christmas Eve, he went
36:27there with Scott and Scott told Al that
36:31there was no power in the warehouse, so
36:33they couldn't turn on the lights inside
36:35the warehouse.
36:36Um, Al chocked that up to that there was
36:39no power in the warehouse section, but
36:41not necessarily the office, which would
36:42have allowed Scott to use his computer
36:44and things like that. So, Al turned his
36:46headlights into the warehouse and there
36:49was the aluminum boat that was on the
36:51trailer, but in addition to that
36:53aluminum boat, there was a flatbed
36:55trailer that was rectangular, had the
36:58wheels, and it had wood on the uh floor
37:01of it. This was used for hauling
37:03fertilizer because Scott sold
37:05fertilizer.
37:07on this flatbed trailer. Al looked and
37:11he saw what he believed to be four to
37:13five crescentshaped rings that were
37:15about the size of like a coffee can or a
37:19bucket that one would use if they mixed
37:21up readymix cement and poured it into
37:24the bucket to harden it to make homemade
37:27anchors that people often use on boats
37:30when they're fishing in fresh water. As
37:32the cement is curing into concrete, they
37:35take a U-shaped bend of reinforcing bar,
37:39they call rebar, and they stick it down
37:41into the cement itself. So, you have a
37:44loop which is going to be locked into
37:47the concrete once it hardens. Of course,
37:49you can tie a rope to that, throw it
37:50over the side of the boat. There's your
37:51anchor. And there was one anchor that
37:54was found in the boat. Found in the
37:56front of the boat. Um, bucket wasn't on
37:58it. We never did recover the bucket.
38:00Don't know where that is. suspect it's
38:01probably on the bottom of San Francisco
38:03Bay. But the funny thing about the
38:06anchor that was in the front of Scott's
38:07boat is there was no anchor rope for it.
38:10And an anchor really isn't going to do
38:12you a lot of good if you're anchoring
38:13your boat if you don't have a rope to
38:15attach it to. So just little things like
38:17this make detectives suspicious and it
38:22puts us in a position where we need to
38:23look at these things a little bit
38:25further. But as they start to mount up,
38:28they start to be more than just
38:30interesting. They start to become kind
38:31of compelling.
38:37I've been asked the question of why the
38:39Peterson case has become so big and and
38:42for us working murderers uh
38:46140 of them I think is a little more
38:48than 140 when I retired.
38:51There were we had a lot of interesting
38:53cases. A lot of intriguing cases. And
38:55this wasn't really in necessarily in the
38:56top 10 of really intriguing cases. It
38:58was the the media interest in it made it
39:03kind of what it was.
39:06Slow news cycle. Um I don't know, maybe
39:09there wasn't much going on that the news
39:10people could, you know, grab on to. But
39:13you throw on top of it, it's a holiday
39:15season. You've got a girl who's pregnant
39:17and of course there's an enormous uh
39:21amount of people that are watching the
39:22news that can identify with that, put
39:24themselves in that position. You've got
39:27an attractive uh victim, you've got an
39:30attractive husband, you've got a
39:32mystery, and as the local news grabbed
39:36on to it, I had heard in the past that
39:40there were family members that had
39:41notified uh the major network, at least
39:45one of the major networks, and mentioned
39:46this case because they had a contact
39:48there in New York or someplace back
39:51east. and that might have kickstarted
39:53the national interest in the case. But
39:56with that, of course, the way the media
39:58works is they don't want to be the ones
39:59left out of a big uh story. So, they all
40:02pile on top of it and grab for every
40:04bite they can get. Um, it made our job a
40:07little bit more difficult because there
40:09was um a lot of things that we wouldn't
40:12have had to do if the media hadn't been
40:14so um attracted to this case. It created
40:17a lot of wild goose chases that we had
40:19to go down that we knew were probably
40:21ridiculous from the start. We had a lot
40:23of people that wanted to get involved in
40:24this case that had nothing to do with
40:26it. I remember there was one person that
40:28claimed they'd seen Lacy in a grocery
40:30store up in Washington and the local
40:33authorities up there spent an enormous
40:35amount of time reviewing videotape and
40:37things like that and they finally
40:39determined that this person was making
40:40it up. And you get a lot of people that
40:43that come forward. I gosh, I remember
40:45all the psychics that would call and it
40:47would be interesting. They'd call and
40:50they'd want to, you know, who am I
40:52talking to? And I'm thinking to myself,
40:53well, you're the psychic. You ought to
40:54know who you're talking to. And they'd
40:56always say things like, well, we believe
40:58her remains are in salt water or
41:00something like that. And like, well,
41:02that's helpful. You know, threequarters
41:04of the surface of the earth is covered
41:05in salt water, so that doesn't narrow it
41:07down much. But we had to spend time with
41:09all those people, and it took up a lot
41:11of investigative time to put those
41:13things together. You can't leave them.
41:15You can't leave those things hanging
41:16because the defense is pretty sharp most
41:18of the time. And if they see that you
41:21didn't do something that you should have
41:22done and it looks one-sided that you're
41:25only going after Scott, uh then they're
41:27going to attack you viciously in court.
41:30And the funny thing about Scott is for
41:33the first several days, like first week
41:35or so, we couldn't find anything wrong
41:38with this guy. I mean, he was just the
41:41all-American boy, college student. He's
41:44got the baby on the way. He's got the
41:46pretty wife. He's belongs to the country
41:48club. He's got all these things going.
41:50He's got this circle of friends. And and
41:53just nobody had a bad word to say about
41:55him until Amber came forward. We almost
41:59like hit a lull in the investigation
42:01right at the end of December, beginning
42:03of January. And we were in the office
42:05and we had a tip line up 24 hours a day.
42:08And I was standing behind one of our
42:10clerks, Bev, and she was typing and I
42:13was reading over her shoulder and she's
42:15typing, uh, Scott Peterson's my
42:18boyfriend. You know, I met him on
42:20November 20th and he, you know, he calls
42:23me every day and I'm like, Bev, uh, is
42:26that lady on the phone? And she said,
42:28"Yeah." And so I took the phone from her
42:30and it was a gal. She says her name was
42:33Amber Fry and she said she's dating
42:35Scott Peterson and that's her boyfriend.
42:36And I said, "Does he know you're
42:38calling?" And she said, "No." I said,
42:40"Well, don't tell him."
42:41>> And Al got a couple more tidbits from
42:43her and said, "We're on our way. Don't
42:46go anywhere." And she said, "Yeah, I'll
42:48wait for you guys." So he grabs me. We
42:50go into the sergeant's office and we
42:51tell Al Carter, you we've got this lead
42:53down in Fresno. And Al said, "Go. Just
42:57don't tell anybody about it." Detective
42:59Buer and I uh let our sergeant and
43:02Detective Grogan know where we're going
43:04and we drove straight to her house and
43:07met with her and her friend Sean Sibi
43:10that uh had introduced Scott to Amber.
43:14And
43:16from there she told us a story that was
43:18pretty incredible.
43:19>> And because we're trying to keep kind of
43:20a clamp on details like this cuz we
43:23don't want it getting out. We get to
43:24Amber's place and she's got her friend
43:26Shawn Sibi there with her and Shawn is
43:29uh the u Amber's friend who had
43:32introduced Scott to Amber. Uh Shawn had
43:35been at a pest convention for
43:37agricultural pest convention down in
43:39Anaheim I think in like November or
43:41something like that or October and she
43:43had met Scott down there along with
43:45other people that were involved in
43:46fertilizer and pest things for
43:48agriculture. And Scott had projected
43:51himself at this uh convention that he
43:54was single and he was looking for a
43:56girlfriend and things like that. And and
43:58Shawn started talking to him. She was
44:00engaged, so she wasn't interested in
44:01him. And she said, you know, she thought
44:03of Amber and she, you know, I got this
44:05friend. She's really nice, but you know,
44:07don't break her heart. You know, don't
44:08treat her like garbage. And Scott has a,
44:12you know, he's very engaging. He's
44:13charming and things like that. And so he
44:18ends up contacting Amber. They start
44:20dating and when we get down to Amber's
44:23place, she starts telling us about how
44:25he started romancing her from the start
44:27by bringing her roses and um he had
44:31strawberries and champagne in his room
44:34at the the Sherin or the Rison, whatever
44:37he was staying at.
44:38>> November 20th. Uh and Scott said he was
44:42not married. It was a blind date. Scott
44:44asked Amber, "Hey, do you mind coming up
44:45to my room um so I can clean up and
44:49change and go to dinner?" And so she
44:51agreed and he wowed her uh and then they
44:55went to dinner and that's their dating
44:58relationship started right then on
45:00November 20th and it just kind of took
45:03off from there. He told her that he
45:04lived in Sacramento, but his office was
45:06in Modesto and and he traveled a lot and
45:09fed her these stories about overseas
45:12travel. And part of it was probably
45:13true, but not all of it. And um he
45:16mentioned to her that he was going to be
45:19having uh uh a lot of travel during the
45:21holidays and through January, but he was
45:24going to be available for a lot more
45:25time together after the end of January.
45:28And she is just digging all this because
45:31uh she's looking for a good guy. She's a
45:33single mother. I think her daughter was
45:35about two years old at the time. And
45:37Scott was very attentive with her
45:39daughter and all that. And and Amber was
45:42interesting to talk to because she it's
45:45almost I got the impression she didn't
45:48think that we would believe her on this.
45:50And so she had wine corks from they'd
45:53had bottles of wine at dinner and she
45:55had programs from events they had gone
45:58to and and things like this. And so
46:00she's showing us all these items that
46:04confirm that they had been going to
46:07dinner and doing all these different
46:08things. And we really had no reason to
46:11to
46:12disbelieve her at this point. Uh Sean
46:15Sibi, we interviewed them separately,
46:16recorded of course, and she provided the
46:19same information, but not as with as
46:21much detail as Amber did. And then what
46:24what we found out throughout all this is
46:26Amber didn't watch television and she
46:29Fresno was not in the Sacramento market
46:31for media coverage. So at the beginning
46:33before the new the news coverage got
46:35giant, she wouldn't have caught it
46:37anyway because she wasn't watching TV.
46:39But a friend of hers who was a Fresno
46:41cop um he'd caught the coverage and he
46:44had remembered that she was dating a guy
46:47named Scott Peterson. And so he had told
46:49her that you probably ought to get a
46:51hold of these Modesto cops. The guy
46:53you're dating could be the same guy
46:55that's involved in this missing thing.
46:57And so that's why she finally called us.
47:00And when we finished up with the
47:02interview, we had pretty much all the
47:04information we need. Uh at that time, uh
47:07we were going to go eat lunch. So we
47:09asked them if if Shawn and Amber wanted
47:11to go with us. We figured, well, if
47:12we're eating and they're eating with us,
47:14they might come up with some other
47:15things that we remember, and we can jot
47:16those down, too. before we went to the
47:18restaurant, Amber comes out with this
47:20little jewel out of left field. Totally
47:22unexpected. And she goes, "Um, she'd be
47:25interested in some pictures."
47:27And I'm thinking, "Well, uh, what?" And
47:30she said, "Well, if Scott and I," it's
47:32like, "Yeah, we'd we'd probably be
47:34interested in those." And so, we go to
47:37Write Aid or CVS, Walgreens, I don't
47:39remember which it was. And she gives a
47:41claim ticket to the gal behind the
47:42counter, and she comes out with this
47:44envelope that's got the double pictures.
47:46So, it's got photo prints but doubles.
47:50And um you know, this is kind of before
47:51cell phone camera stuff was out there.
47:54And we open these things up and here
47:57they are. Um Scott in the tuxedo, Amber
48:00in the red dress. I mean, just a whole
48:02slew of these pictures, them sitting on
48:04the couch, you know, he's whispering in
48:06her ear, all this ridiculousness. And
48:08these are just epic. And anybody who's
48:10probably watching this probably saw
48:13those pictures. And um so yeah, it kind
48:16of locked in at that time that she
48:18wasn't full of um you know, baloney. She
48:20was telling the truth and we said,
48:23"Yeah, we'll take these pictures.
48:24That'll be good." soon as we saw the
48:25photo of him at the Christmas party with
48:28Amber and after interviewing Amber and
48:31she's telling us all these
48:35stories and gifts and cards and things
48:39and they're all coming from Scott's shop
48:41and the fact that she even told us the
48:44first day that Scott had told her on
48:49December 9th that he lied to her
48:52originally when he said he wasn't
48:54married and he broke down and he was
48:57sobbing and she was consoling him and he
49:00had said he lost his wife and this was
49:03going to be the first holiday without
49:05her and when we get to the drugstore
49:07right next door is a radio shack and I
49:09said well if he calls you every day do
49:10you mind I'm going to go buy you a tape
49:12recorder some tapes and a wire you plug
49:15it in your phone and she said I'll you
49:18know okay and so I bought it and we
49:20didn't really know what her alliance was
49:22at that time but she called us So, we
49:24thought it's probably worth a gamble.
49:26>> And I'm plugging it in her phone for her
49:28and I'm showing her, okay, when he
49:30calls, push the these two buttons and
49:33sure enough, the phone rings right while
49:35I'm holding it and it's him.
49:36>> The number shows up on her screen. Al
49:38recognizes the number. I didn't. And so
49:41Al told her, "Well, take that call." And
49:42so she did. So she started talking to
49:44him.
49:44>> And I said, "Amber,
49:46you know you're on and uh don't tell him
49:49that we're here." and she talked to him
49:52like she was his girlfriend, you know,
49:54or and uh she did a great job. And after
49:59when we left, I left her with a whole
50:01bunch of tapes and I just asked her to
50:03every time he calls you to tape it for
50:05us and we'd pick them up.
50:07>> I finally calmed down from it. So,
50:11>> I'm sorry, baby. I'm so good for you.
50:15>> I miss you, too.
50:17I miss you.
50:20You don't deserve any pain or any
50:21heartache or any arguments or anything.
50:24>> So then why don't you tell me something
50:25nice?
50:27Tell you how wonderful you are.
50:30That's pretty easy to do.
50:33Howful you are.
50:36I always call you when I tell you you're
50:38special.
50:40Well, she didn't know it at that time,
50:41but we already had a court-ordered wire
50:44intercept going on Scott's phone, so
50:45that call was going to be picked up
50:47anyway.
50:48>> Our our next thing was to record Scott's
50:51conversations,
50:53follow him, continue zeroing in on him.
50:57That was my job. Other people did other
50:59things, but my job was to stay with
51:01Scott, clear him of any involvement in
51:05this. The family still doesn't know any
51:07of this. We're just zeroing in on Scott
51:10now.
51:11>> Amber was interesting because she was
51:14very fragile and I was the only single
51:18guy in the unit. All the other guys I
51:20worked with were married and they so Al
51:22Carter assigned her to me to kind of be
51:26her handler because we knew that she was
51:29going to be calling at all hours because
51:31every time she got off the phone from a
51:33call with Scott, she was kind of a wreck
51:36for a while. So, she'd call me and then
51:38I'd kind of have to talk to her about
51:40what's going on and everything and calm
51:43her down. I didn't tell her what to say.
51:44We didn't have to because she she
51:48no training whatsoever. We're not
51:50getting paid or anything like that, but
51:52she was able to weave these
51:54conversations into bringing out details
51:57from the past that she had told us
51:58about, but we had no documentation on.
52:01And Scott apparently had no idea that
52:04this was going on. Well, we also had
52:06Amber's call on a wire intercept to make
52:09sure that we could monitor her calls if
52:11she wasn't recording them so that we
52:13would know that she wasn't filling Scott
52:15with information of what was going on.
52:17>> What were you hoping to get?
52:19>> Well, I was we were hoping to get I
52:22don't know, incriminating information,
52:23but at first they never I mean they talk
52:26like boyfriend and girlfriend. Even
52:28though his wife was missing, she claimed
52:31to not know about it. But what Amber
52:34didn't know was as soon as we did that,
52:37we also went and got a phone, put a
52:40phone tap. We tapped Scott's phone, his
52:43home, his two cell phones because we
52:47wanted to confirm that Amber was being
52:50straight with us. She wasn't like
52:52conspiring behind our back with him. She
52:56had over 29 hours of recorded phone
52:59conversation during the time that we had
53:00her up uh on the wire. And in that
53:03amount of time, I think she missed eight
53:05minutes of conversation, probably when
53:07she was hooking the device up, her
53:08daughter's in the backseat of the car,
53:10things like that. But her uh her ability
53:14to keep things calm and not tip her hand
53:18that she'd already talked to us was
53:19remarkable. I thought she did a
53:21fantastic job and apparently the jury
53:23did too because they enjoyed that or
53:25found it very useful in the trial.
53:27>> So, while we're still listening to the
53:30Amber and Scott talk and we're
53:33wiretapping Scott's phone, we get
53:35information from the inquire that they
53:40have the photo of Amber and Scott and
53:43they're going to publish it the next
53:44day. Although Al Brokini and I had taken
53:47the photo prints from Amber when we'd
53:50gotten those at the photo counter,
53:53I had left
53:56the negatives to those photos with Amber
53:59so that she would know that we trusted
54:01her. And I and there were other photos
54:03on there that had nothing to do with the
54:04Peterson case. I didn't think we could
54:06really take those. Uh she said that she
54:08was going to make sure they were
54:09protected. I I can speculate on that,
54:11but that's not necessary. Anyway,
54:13somehow those photos either got out or
54:16they were photos taken by somebody who
54:18was there and they got released and the
54:21next thing you know the National
54:22Enquirers got one of the photos with
54:24Amber in the red dress and Scott in the
54:26tux and they're going to run it in that
54:29week's edition of the National Enquirer.
54:32So that pushed us to have to
54:37break the news to to Sharon and to Lee
54:40and Jackie. Well, we have never dealt
54:43with that before on a case. We've dealt
54:45with a lot of things in homicide before.
54:47So, we roundt that. What do we do on
54:49that? Well, you can't you can't ignore
54:51it. And at the same time, we don't have
54:54the authority to tell the inquirer,
54:55don't run it there. First amendment
54:57rights trump what we want done on the
54:59case. And so, we knew that they were
55:01going to publish it. But we also don't
55:03want the family members, especially the
55:05roaches. Um, you know, can you can
55:07imagine Sharon going to the grocery
55:09store and she's at the check stand and
55:11here's a picture of Scott and Amber who
55:14she'd never met there at the check
55:17stand. We can't do that to the family.
55:19So, we
55:21called Sharon and Ron Gransky and asked
55:23them if they would come down to our
55:25office so that we could talk to them.
55:28And this wasn't something that we did
55:29very often. So, Brokini and I were going
55:31to speak with them. Craig Grogan uh
55:34along with another Modesto officer who
55:36had a pilot's license and Phil Owen,
55:38another Modesto detective took a a plane
55:40and they flew down to San Diego to meet
55:43with Scott's parents. And the plan was
55:45that both sets of family members were
55:48going to be shown this photo. And uh I
55:52wasn't in the San Diego part of the
55:54trip, so I not going to comment too much
55:56on that, but we brought Sharon in and
55:59Ron and they were um they were
56:03apprehensive cuz we didn't call them to
56:05come and meet with us very often and
56:08made a little bit of small talk and
56:09everything. And they were scheduled to
56:11do an interview that night with Greta
56:12Van Sustern. So this was before they
56:15were going to do the interview. So, we
56:16had the um photo and I had it in a
56:19folder and Sharon was sitting across
56:21from me and I said, "Well, there's some
56:22things that have developed on this case
56:24and we want to make you aware of them
56:26before you get surprised and ambushed by
56:28them."
56:28>> And uh John just
56:32shared the photo and slid it across the
56:35table and it uh Sharon just broke down
56:39and and she just like why why did he
56:43have to kill her? Sharon Roachcha looked
56:45at it and I just remember her words. She
56:48just said, "Why did he have to kill
56:49her?" And then she buried her head in
56:51her hands and started weeping. And
56:54Gransky pretty much in the same
56:55condition. And
56:59I think this is probably the first time
57:00that she
57:02had concrete proof that probably
57:05substantiated the fears that she had all
57:07along that Lacy wasn't coming home. And
57:10we gave them a little bit quick briefing
57:12on what took place on this and we said,
57:13you know, don't draw any necessarily
57:14conclusions for this. You know, keep an
57:16open mind and then they cancelled their
57:18interview with Greta and then they left
57:21the office. So that was pretty much it
57:24on that. It was um it's that's
57:26heartbreaking for when you see that even
57:28though you're not related to these
57:29people, you you can try to understand
57:32what their pain is like, but pretty
57:34difficult if you're not in that boat.
57:36>> It was pretty sad.
57:39compared to the way it went in San Diego
57:42when they showed it to Lee. Lee looked
57:45at it and said, "So, so what?" I mean,
57:49you know, just because he's having an
57:51affair doesn't mean he killed, you know,
57:53Lacy. It was no big deal to the Peterson
57:57side of the family.
58:51I wrote a search warrant for Scott's DNA
58:54for his hair, blood, saliva,
58:58um, and then fingerprints, palm prints,
59:01and pictures of his him his his body.
59:04And I we called him in and I said, "We
59:06have a search warrant to get this stuff
59:08from you." So, while he's in there, um,
59:11we show him a a a faxed copy of the
59:14photo. We ran it through a fax machine,
59:17so it was black and white. And when we
59:19showed it to him, we said, "Hey, we got
59:21a tip." Uh, and we showed him the photo
59:23and he picked it up and he's looking at
59:25it and he goes, "You don't think that's
59:27me, do you?" And we said, "Well, we
59:30don't know. This is the tip we got." No.
59:31He said, "That ain't me." And he gave it
59:34back.
59:40Okay, first of all, I met Scott Peterson
59:43November 20th, 2002. I was introduced to
59:47him. I was told he was unmarried.
59:50Scott told me he was not married.
59:54We did have a romantic relationship.
59:57When I discovered he was involved in the
59:59disappear or the Lucy Peterson
1:00:01disappearance case, I immediately
1:00:04contacted the Modesto Police Department.
1:00:07just her saying it wasn't enough. We
1:00:09needed to cooperate her and that's what
1:00:13we were able she was able to do on those
1:00:15phone calls. She got him to admit that
1:00:18he had told her that he lost his wife on
1:00:20December 9th.
1:00:22>> You deserve so much better.
1:00:25There's no question so much better.
1:00:27>> Yeah. And I deserve to understand an
1:00:29explanation of why you told me you had
1:00:31lost your wife and this was the first
1:00:33holidays you'd spend without her. That
1:00:35was December 9th. You told me this. And
1:00:38now all a sudden your wife's missing.
1:00:40Are you captioning me?
1:00:44>> Did you hear me?
1:00:45>> I did. I I I I don't know what to say.
1:00:49>> I I think an explanation would uh be a
1:00:52start.
1:00:54>> I know you absolutely deserve an
1:00:57explanation.
1:00:57>> Yes, I do. I do. And you want to protect
1:01:00me from the media? Why did you involve
1:01:02me in this?
1:01:04How long were you looking for me? Scott,
1:01:07>> I'm sorry.
1:01:07>> How long were you looking for me?
1:01:10>> Looking for you?
1:01:11>> Isn't that what you told Sean? You were
1:01:12looking for me or someone like me?
1:01:16>> When Al Brokini called me in on
1:01:18Christmas Day and he told me what had
1:01:20happened to Lacy and that she was
1:01:21missing. And then he did the bio on her
1:01:23and told me about her. My belief was
1:01:26this was a murder case and at the time
1:01:28it was a nobody case. There is a
1:01:31protocol to follow when you're
1:01:33investigating a case where you don't yet
1:01:35have a body and I had just had one of
1:01:37those the August prior and I had that
1:01:41protocol and so we started working this
1:01:44as a nobody homicide. We didn't tell the
1:01:45media that. We certainly didn't tell the
1:01:47family that. But you can only
1:01:51gather evidence in chronological order
1:01:54if you know what you're doing. And if
1:01:56you don't work it as a homicide from the
1:01:57beginning, you're going to overlook and
1:01:59you're going to lose evidence that
1:02:00you're going to need later on. So those
1:02:02things are kept confidential in the
1:02:04investigation. You don't release that.
1:02:06Um, and when it came to this, we got to
1:02:10the point where
1:02:13there were little avalanches of
1:02:15information that would come in. So like
1:02:17when Amber came up on the radar, there
1:02:19was like an avalanche of things that we
1:02:21had to do within a short period of time.
1:02:23And just about the time we were
1:02:24finishing getting that all investigated,
1:02:27then another avalanche of information
1:02:29would come in. And the the case kind of
1:02:30had that for the whole four months or so
1:02:33that we worked on it. Uh when we were
1:02:35getting towards the tail end before the
1:02:37bodies showed up, there really wasn't
1:02:39much left to do on this except convince
1:02:42the DA to file charges against Scott,
1:02:44get an arrest warrant, and bring him in
1:02:46and start the process. We're still
1:02:48zeroing in on Scott and we're searching
1:02:52the bay. And you got to remember Scott
1:02:55on five occasions
1:02:57drove from Modesto to the bay to watch
1:03:01just to look at us. And we followed him
1:03:05a couple times. We tracked him with
1:03:07trackers a couple times. But I mean, he
1:03:10drives up there. There's police there.
1:03:13He could get out and say, "Hey, uh,
1:03:15what's going on? How's it doing? You
1:03:16guys find anything?" But no, he just
1:03:18drives, looks five minutes at the most,
1:03:21and goes back.
1:03:22>> Scott is a very um very charming, very
1:03:25convincing person.
1:03:27And
1:03:29you, we saw this throughout his phone
1:03:31calls, uh whether he was talking to his
1:03:33dad and his, you know, brother, things
1:03:36like that. He could transition from
1:03:39weeping with Amber on the phone over
1:03:42something and then the next moment he's
1:03:44on a phone call talking to his dad about
1:03:46going to have cocktails in Delmare or
1:03:48something like that. His his
1:03:50chameleonike ability to transition from
1:03:53one role to another was was very
1:03:56interesting. Great actor. But his phone
1:03:58conversations they they kind of showed a
1:04:01a side of him also and they can be
1:04:03interpreted a couple of different ways
1:04:04depending on how you want to look at it.
1:04:06There was one call in particular. Uh
1:04:08media frenzy was taking place when the
1:04:11bay search was uh locating something
1:04:14that was on the bottom of San Francisco
1:04:16Bay that could have been a body. San
1:04:18Francisco, Marin County, Oakland. They
1:04:22every city on the bay had a boat. We put
1:04:25a detective on every boat and with a
1:04:29dive team from th those cities. And so I
1:04:32was on the Marin County boat and uh they
1:04:36had sonar boats out there and they would
1:04:38search for
1:04:41objects that looked like it could be a
1:04:43body and if they found one they would
1:04:45pinpoint it and then we would send a
1:04:47boat there and we would send divers down
1:04:50and to figure out what it was. One of
1:04:52the things they found they found
1:04:55something that looked like you know like
1:04:56this like it could be a body. This is
1:04:59before she came up. And so it was late
1:05:02at night. The dive team couldn't go down
1:05:03in the dark. So they're going to go down
1:05:05the next morning.
1:05:07So
1:05:09big anticipation. All the news know
1:05:12they're all waiting. Sharon, this is
1:05:14before Sharon knew about Amber. Sharon's
1:05:17still on Scott's side. And uh Scott
1:05:21decides he has to go to work that day.
1:05:24So he leaves. Well, we we don't follow
1:05:26him, but we know where he's at by his
1:05:29phone, and uh everybody's waiting,
1:05:32holding their breath. The dive team goes
1:05:34down, comes up. It turns out it's just a
1:05:37big anchor, an old anchor.
1:05:39>> And so, this information was given to uh
1:05:42Sharon Roach. So, she called Scott on
1:05:44his cell. And Scott had a habit of very
1:05:47seldom picking up the phone. He would
1:05:48screen his calls, listen to the
1:05:50voicemails, and then decide what to do
1:05:51with the calls. Well, the call from
1:05:54Sharon uh said that
1:05:57it was a boat anchor. Nothing to worry
1:05:58about there. Of course, we knew that
1:06:00we're going to find her. You know, just
1:06:02some sweet message from Sharon to Scott.
1:06:05Well, we got the wire tap on him so we
1:06:07could hear him and so we can hear him
1:06:10pick up his messages. Soon as he starts
1:06:11dialing, we can we hear it. He dials his
1:06:14puts his code in and hears Sharon's
1:06:16message.
1:06:17>> You have one unheard message. First
1:06:20message. Hi Scott, this is mom. It's
1:06:23about4 211. Just want to know I just got
1:06:26a call from Ron Ron Clard. He's at
1:06:28Marina and it was a boat anchor. Of
1:06:30course, we knew it wasn't Lacy, but I
1:06:32just wanted you to know. Um I'm going to
1:06:34call your house in case you don't get
1:06:36this message first. Bye.
1:06:39>> Message erased.
1:06:40>> And then you hear him go
1:06:44just like that. Like
1:06:47now he's been radio silent all day.
1:06:50Well, now all of a sudden after he has
1:06:53that moment, meaning it wasn't her, they
1:06:57didn't find her yet. Uh, now he's on the
1:07:00phone ordering pizza and, you know,
1:07:02x-rated movies from the hotel he's
1:07:05staying at. And, uh, then so he can go
1:07:08from ordering a pizza and an x-rated
1:07:10movie to his sister calling him and he
1:07:13answers and now he's blow he's
1:07:15blubbering like a baby. Oh my god, he's
1:07:17just crying and but
1:07:21the next phone call he's fine again. I
1:07:23mean, it's just the man was a piece of
1:07:26work. Now, other people could say, and I
1:07:29can see it both ways, they can say,
1:07:30"Well, he made that whistle because he
1:07:32was relieved that Lacy could still be
1:07:34out there." Well, it just depends on
1:07:35which way you look at it and which way
1:07:37it goes. And that's what the jury is
1:07:38for, is to make those determinations.
1:07:40But Scott, he he was talking to Amber
1:07:43when he was at the vigil on New Year's
1:07:45Eve. And there were there's a photo uh
1:07:47that was taken of Scott. He's all
1:07:49smiles. Everybody else is a wreck. And
1:07:52he's on the phone talking to Amber. Uh
1:07:55she's down in Fresno. He's in Modesto.
1:07:57He's talking about how he's over in
1:07:58Paris uh walking on the decoed or
1:08:03covered cobblestones
1:08:05uh during the fireworks by the Eiffel
1:08:07Tower. and um that there's American pop
1:08:11songs being played in the background,
1:08:13painting a vivid, incredible picture um
1:08:17of what he's doing over there with the
1:08:18correct time frame, too. He's got it
1:08:21right at New Year's celebration, you
1:08:23know, which is the time frame between
1:08:25Modesto and and Paris. Uh the guy, he
1:08:28really was gifted in putting these
1:08:30things together. Great actor. Um but he
1:08:33he's at his wife's vigil on this. And to
1:08:36me, this is a pretty strong indicator
1:08:39that he just didn't give a crap about
1:08:41Lacy. He was tired of all this hoopla.
1:08:44He just wanted it to be over. And it
1:08:47hearkens back to that one thing that he
1:08:49told Amber early on that after January,
1:08:51he would have a lot more time to devote
1:08:53to their relationship. And I my
1:08:56suspicions is he compared the media
1:09:00length and coverage on Kristen Smart,
1:09:02the missing girl from down there in St.
1:09:04Louis Abyspo to uh this thing and
1:09:08probably thought it was going to be over
1:09:10within a month, not having any idea that
1:09:12the media was going to grab onto this
1:09:14like a pitbull and not let go.
1:09:18>> Happy New Year.
1:09:19>> Happy to call you.
1:09:21>> Thank you.
1:09:22>> Are you there?
1:09:22>> I'm here.
1:09:24>> I wish you could hear me.
1:09:26>> I'm on the uh I think I think that
1:09:28you're there. I'm near the Eiffel Tower,
1:09:32which is unreal.
1:09:34The crowd is huge.
1:09:36>> The crowd's huge.
1:09:37>> Amber.
1:09:39>> Yes, I'm here.
1:09:40>> Amber, you're there. I can't hear you
1:09:42right now, but I'll call you on your
1:09:43knees.
1:09:47[Music]
1:09:53I'm always suspicious of the person
1:09:54closest to the victim. And that's how
1:09:56you start a murder investigation is you
1:09:58always look at the person closest
1:10:00because you have to work outwards from
1:10:02there. and you're going to be attacked
1:10:05in court if you don't clear people that
1:10:07are close to the victim. So, this is the
1:10:09reason that detectives have to have, you
1:10:12know, the obnoxious task of asking close
1:10:15family members things that are
1:10:16uncomfortable. You like, are you do you
1:10:18have anybody else on the side? You know,
1:10:20do you have a drug habit? Do you have a
1:10:22gambling habit? Anything like this that
1:10:24could come up that would, you know, give
1:10:25a motive or something like that. So with
1:10:28Scott, as as time went by, that first
1:10:30week, it was really tough to find
1:10:32anything wrong with him. And so I wasn't
1:10:34convinced that he had anything to do
1:10:35with it. I just was pretty much
1:10:36convinced that Lacy wasn't coming home.
1:10:38But once Amber came forward and then we
1:10:39saw there was this other side of the
1:10:41guy, then as we start adding up all the
1:10:44circumstantial evidence, it starts
1:10:46becoming much more interesting, much
1:10:48more compelling. At the same time that
1:10:50we're clearing out anybody else that
1:10:52could have anything to do with this. So
1:10:54whether it was some other violent
1:10:55offender that was on parole in the
1:10:56community and as those guys are getting
1:10:59cleared from involvement by verifying
1:11:01their alibis and more questions are
1:11:03coming up from Scott. His condition or
1:11:05his uh cooperation becomes more
1:11:07conditional as that goes on. It gets to
1:11:10the point where it's starting to become
1:11:12pretty obvious that he had something to
1:11:14do with this little things that came up
1:11:16during this time period before Amber
1:11:19came forward. Nobody had anything bad to
1:11:20say about Scott. And that's partially
1:11:23because people are smart. They don't
1:11:24want to create an atmosphere where if he
1:11:26didn't have anything to do with it,
1:11:28those words are going to haunt them in
1:11:29the relationship in the future. But over
1:11:31and above that, when Amber came forward
1:11:33now, it kind of on peeled back layers of
1:11:36this onion and people would start
1:11:38telling us information whether it was
1:11:40Lacy's friends, family members, things
1:11:43like that. little tidbits about they
1:11:46were at a barbecue the the summer before
1:11:48Lacy became pregnant and there was a new
1:11:51baby there and everybody was holding the
1:11:53baby and when they were trying to get
1:11:55Scott to hold the baby he recoiled from
1:11:58it like it was a rattlesnake. He didn't
1:11:59want to be involved in that. Um, I
1:12:01remember there was a quote that somebody
1:12:03had attributed to him that when Lacy
1:12:05became pregnant and they were at a
1:12:06barbecue and they said something to him
1:12:08about, "Well, you're probably pretty
1:12:09excited about the baby coming along."
1:12:11And he made this offhand, yeah, kind of
1:12:13humorous comment. Well, I was kind of
1:12:15hoping for infertility. Well, by
1:12:17themselves, they really mean nothing.
1:12:19But they also start to paint a picture
1:12:21of a reluctant father, somebody who
1:12:23really isn't too excited about all this.
1:12:25There were things that uh during the
1:12:28time that Lacy was pregnant, Scott
1:12:30really didn't have much to do with
1:12:32touching Lacy's stomach and and feeling
1:12:34the baby or anything like that. And
1:12:37Sharon mentioned things like that.
1:12:40Little things that that don't really
1:12:42mean anything early on that they didn't
1:12:43want to say anything about, but when
1:12:45they start coming forward, then they
1:12:47start adding up and we just keep
1:12:50gathering and taking these uh these
1:12:52facts where they go.
1:12:58[Music]
1:13:19Jim Brazzleton was the district attorney
1:13:21in Sansaw County at the time, gifted
1:13:24prosecutor, but we we didn't plead with
1:13:26him, but we told him, "Hey, this is what
1:13:28we've got. We think we got a good case
1:13:29here." and he pretty much said, "I need
1:13:32a body before you get a filing." And we
1:13:34just thought, "Well, okay, that's the
1:13:36way it goes." So, we were clearing up
1:13:38and and tidying up loose ends so we
1:13:40weren't going to be in a rush. And then,
1:13:42just like on clockwork, uh, we get a big
1:13:45storm that comes through San Francisco
1:13:47Bay. And when it does that, the tidal
1:13:50surge
1:13:52apparently was violent enough to
1:13:55separate Connor from Lacy and he drifted
1:13:59ashore. And then it was enough to
1:14:02separate her from her limbs. And then
1:14:04her remains were brought ashore over a
1:14:06period of a couple of days.
1:14:15The body of a woman washed up on shore
1:14:17was discovered yesterday in Richmond,
1:14:19which is on the East Bay side of the San
1:14:20Francisco Bay yesterday. One day
1:14:23earlier, about a mile away from that
1:14:24location, a different person discovered
1:14:26the body of a nearly fullterm fetus.
1:14:28Each was found within 5 miles of the
1:14:30Berkeley Marina. Significant because
1:14:32that is where Scott Peterson, Lacy's
1:14:35husband, said he was fishing all day on
1:14:37Christmas Eve, the day he says she
1:14:40disappeared.
1:14:50We're still hoping something's going to
1:14:54happen, but we're in another one of
1:14:55those lols. And uh
1:14:59when we get the word that a baby has
1:15:01been found in the Berkeley Marina, and
1:15:04the baby is found right around where
1:15:07Scott told me he was going, where he
1:15:09went fishing. I remember when the first
1:15:11body was found, I was not optimistic at
1:15:14all. When Connor was discovered, I
1:15:15thought, "Yeah, there's a lot of people
1:15:16in the Bay Area and somebody else could
1:15:18have dumped a child in here." And it's
1:15:20not the first time that happened.
1:15:30We don't know anything yet, but the next
1:15:32day when the a body comes up
1:15:38wearing maternity clothes,
1:15:41doesn't have a head, doesn't have some
1:15:43limbs.
1:15:44Uh, we are fairly certain that that's
1:15:47Lacy and Connor.
1:15:59Scott Peterson has been under a cloud of
1:16:01suspicion from the very beginning.
1:16:03Police have never named him as an
1:16:04official suspect, but they also have
1:16:06never been able to rule him out. When
1:16:08Lacy Peterson vanished, she was 7 and a
1:16:10half months pregnant with a boy. Police
1:16:13confirmed that the baby found with its
1:16:15umbilical cord still attached was indeed
1:16:17a boy.
1:16:27when Lacy's remains were found um in the
1:16:30condition they were found. Uh that kind
1:16:32of pretty much cinched it. So we
1:16:34probably were on the right track then at
1:16:36that time, but we still had to wait for
1:16:37DNA. Detective Grogan wrote up a a Remy
1:16:41warrant for the arrest of Scott Peterson
1:16:44and I called the Department of Justice.
1:16:47They have a surveillance team and I
1:16:49asked them to find Scott in San Diego
1:16:52and just watch him. We we got the
1:16:55warrant and you know it's the judge
1:16:59asked us uh it's kind of a just a
1:17:03handshake deal with the judge. He signed
1:17:05a million- dollar warrant but he said
1:17:07can you not arrest him until the DNA
1:17:10comes back? And so we we agreed but we
1:17:13have a warrant and signed in in hand.
1:17:15And so, uh,
1:17:18Scott's hard to find. I mean, he's the
1:17:20car. I had a tracker on his car, but he
1:17:23sold it in Sun San Diego. So, we found
1:17:25him through the wire tap on his phone,
1:17:28so I could find I I we found him. We set
1:17:31up surveillance on him. He knew it right
1:17:33away. California Department of Justice
1:17:35was a great just a great agency to work
1:17:39with. Uh, one of their lead agents,
1:17:41Ernie Leone, fantastic. His whole crew,
1:17:44great guys.
1:17:45um skilled agents um and they had Scott
1:17:48under surveillance. So, we
1:17:51were able to get an arrest warrant for
1:17:53Scott uh pre-complaint arrest warrant
1:17:56and uh Al Carter, Al Brochini, Craig
1:18:00Rogan, and I the the four of us jumped
1:18:02in two separate cars and we drove down
1:18:05to San Diego and then the next day we
1:18:09started following Scott with great
1:18:11assistance from DOJ. And Scott knew he
1:18:14was being tailed. Uh claims were he
1:18:16thought it was the media. Maybe he did,
1:18:18maybe he thought it was us. Who knows?
1:18:19Only he knows. Only he would tell.
1:18:21Probably won't, but he could. And we
1:18:24started following him. But his driving
1:18:25was was becoming dangerous. He he was a
1:18:28pretty good driver. He started driving
1:18:30like crazy. He was uh flipping off the
1:18:34people, surveilling him. He was calling
1:18:36his brother. We could hear the phone
1:18:38call. He thinks they're private eyes or
1:18:40they're news people. He doesn't know
1:18:41they're cops. But he's telling his
1:18:44brother, "I can't really come uh golfing
1:18:47with you today because I got these
1:18:48photographers following me and if they
1:18:50see me on the golf course, that's not
1:18:52going to look good." And but he's
1:18:54driving so bad that even the helicopter
1:18:57that we had up watching them lost them.
1:19:01He just would drive
1:19:04very fast, slam his brakes on on the
1:19:06freeway and pull to the side. And you
1:19:08know, four or five undercover cars would
1:19:11be going by him. He would go into these
1:19:13neighborhoods and uh do U-turns and he
1:19:17just drove terrible and it got to the
1:19:19point where it was dangerous. He'd be in
1:19:21the left lane and he'd cross over three
1:19:22lanes of traffic, take an off-ramp. We
1:19:25couldn't do that. You know, we'd roll
1:19:26the car and so he was able to avoid and
1:19:29evade our tail on him. One of the agents
1:19:33saw him crossing an intersection right
1:19:34in front of him and so the chase was
1:19:36back on. It was a no lights and siren.
1:19:39But finally, our concern was and Craig
1:19:41Grogan's call was because he's a case
1:19:43agent was we need to make the arrest on
1:19:45Scott even before the DNA results come
1:19:49back. And the arrangement was the judge
1:19:51gave us the arrest warrant with the
1:19:53request to hold the execution of the
1:19:55warrant until the DOJ DNA results were
1:19:58announced. But the concern was that
1:20:01erratic driving was going to injure one
1:20:03of us or somebody who wasn't even
1:20:05connected to the case. So, it was
1:20:07dangerous for the undercover officers.
1:20:09And we're thinking here we are holding
1:20:11this million-doll warrant and if one of
1:20:14those guys gets killed or a a civilian
1:20:17gets killed by this driving,
1:20:21you know, is what is the judge going to
1:20:23back us up or are we going to be looking
1:20:25dirty? So, we just made a decision.
1:20:28Arrest them. And
1:20:31we called it into the undercover guys
1:20:33and just said just arrest them. That's
1:20:35when he was arrested at Tory Pines at
1:20:37the entrance to the golf course.
1:20:40Talked to him right there at the scene
1:20:41of the arrest. No outrage, no protest.
1:20:45You got the wrong guy. You guys are
1:20:48rookies. This is amateur hour. You guys,
1:20:49you don't know your what you're doing. I
1:20:52mean, he just was pleasant as usual. And
1:20:56um anyway, hair was dyed, of course, you
1:20:59know, trying to disguise himself. And
1:21:02that was pretty much his demeanor. And I
1:21:04know if it was me, I would have been
1:21:06protesting, making a lot of noise about
1:21:08it, but Scott, he's pretty cool cucumber
1:21:12for the most part when it comes to these
1:21:13things. The DA didn't come in yet, so we
1:21:16had him under arrest. We took him to a
1:21:18DOJ office. I took a bunch of pictures
1:21:20of him to show that, you know, he was
1:21:23not beat up or anything. And we searched
1:21:26his car. And I I mean, he had a lot of
1:21:28money. He had $14,000 or something. He
1:21:30had five cell phones. He had IDs from
1:21:34his brother and other people. He was had
1:21:37a tuxedo in there, but camping gear. I
1:21:39mean, he was ready for anything.
1:21:41Clothing that would work for a elegant
1:21:43event at the yacht club to hiking boots
1:21:46if you're camping in the Sierras. Um,
1:21:49when a guy is arrested in California, if
1:21:53he's arrested outside of the county
1:21:55where the charges are going to be filed,
1:21:56he has the right to say, "I'm not going
1:21:58back with you guys." and he can request
1:22:01being booked into the local jail in the
1:22:03jurisdiction where he's arrested. And I
1:22:05was kind of hoping Scott would do that.
1:22:06I didn't want to drive back up to
1:22:07Modesto with him in the back seat, but
1:22:09he Scott's pretty pleasant. He I'll go
1:22:12back with you. I was like, "Oh, great.
1:22:14That's fantastic." So, anyway, it's a
1:22:17like a six-hour drive from San Diego to
1:22:18Modesto, and you're not going to have
1:22:20him cuffed behind his back for a drive
1:22:23like that. So you put them in uh ankle
1:22:26cuffs with a chain between them so you
1:22:29can walk but they don't have enough
1:22:30length so he can't run. Um and then you
1:22:33have a belt a chain belt that goes
1:22:35around him with a padlock and handcuffs
1:22:38that are at the hips so he can have his
1:22:41hands here. He can you know scratch his
1:22:44face or something like that but he's
1:22:46cuffed so he can't fight you and he
1:22:48can't you know choke you when you're
1:22:49driving. sitting behind me and we drive
1:22:51and and Grogan's next to him. Al Carter
1:22:55and Al Brochini are in their car and um
1:22:58we get the call from DOJ that the
1:23:01results confirmed that the remains were
1:23:03Connor and Lacy. Craig tells that after
1:23:05the call to Scott and he makes like a
1:23:08little sniffle, like a half-hearted
1:23:10attempt to show some emotion and I'm
1:23:12kind of looking in the mirror at him and
1:23:14it was it just wasn't anything. And I
1:23:18thought, well, that pretty much cinches
1:23:20it for me because a guy who kills his
1:23:22wife 4 months earlier, that's about the
1:23:23reaction he's going to have.
1:23:26We drive a few more miles. We're getting
1:23:28into Bakersfield and getting gas. And
1:23:30it's cops like to eat. I mean, you can
1:23:33tell by some of them because they're
1:23:34kind of large and some of them maybe
1:23:36not. So, but we're we still got another
1:23:39three and a half hours from Bakersfield
1:23:41back to Modesto. Three hours. And so, I
1:23:44open up the back door of the car. I'm
1:23:46putting gas in it. And I asked Scott, I
1:23:48said, "Hey, we're going to get a bite to
1:23:49eat. You know, we'll feed you if you
1:23:50want to if you want to eat with us." And
1:23:52he was, you know, he was pleasant the
1:23:54whole time. He wasn't kicking the seat
1:23:55or going wacky or anything like that.
1:23:57And just told him, "Well, you know,
1:23:59we're probably going to get fast food.
1:24:01You're not going to do a sit down at
1:24:02Outback." And he he said, "Well, what
1:24:05are you getting?" And I said, "Well, I
1:24:06know there's an an In-N-Out Burger.
1:24:08People that don't live in California,
1:24:10In-N-Out Burger is pretty popular in
1:24:12California. Pretty good burgers." And um
1:24:15so I said, "We'll stop there and grab
1:24:16you some if you want something." And he
1:24:18just kind of gave a like a thoughtful
1:24:20look and he said, "I'll have a double
1:24:22double with cheese, a fry, and a small
1:24:25vanilla shake." And I'm thinking, "Well,
1:24:28that's a pretty good order other than
1:24:29the cheese." Um I don't know why you'd
1:24:31put cheese in a burger, but people do.
1:24:33And I said, "Yeah, you got it." And
1:24:35closed the door. One last piece of
1:24:38circumstantial evidence that told me
1:24:39that he did it. Uh if you've ever
1:24:41experienced a death in a family, uh
1:24:44trauma like that, food is pretty low on
1:24:47your priority list. being able to eat
1:24:49after receiving news like that,
1:24:52especially when you contrast it, and
1:24:54this is a thing that I think some people
1:24:55miss out on, when you look at the
1:24:57interviews, whether it was Diane Sawyer,
1:25:01um Ted Roland's or Gloria Gomez, and
1:25:03they're talking to Scott and he's faking
1:25:06this emotion about missing out on his
1:25:09son. And then when he's finally given
1:25:13this information that his son is dead,
1:25:15his wife is dead, and he still wants a
1:25:17burger.
1:25:19I guess you can still think that he
1:25:21didn't do it, but I'm not part of that
1:25:23camp.
1:25:28I I was involved in a lot of homicides
1:25:30and a lot of jury trials, so I I wasn't
1:25:33afraid of uh defense attorneys. I wasn't
1:25:35afraid to testify. I felt like I was
1:25:38pretty pretty good at it really. But
1:25:41with G when Gyros came on,
1:25:45the DAS would tell me, Al, he's got you.
1:25:49Gyaragos has you. He says he's got you.
1:25:52You're going, you know, you're going
1:25:54down. I'm like, he I don't know what
1:25:56he's talking about. I have no idea what
1:25:57he's talking about. And uh I'd see
1:26:01Gyaragos before the trial. I mean, you
1:26:03know, he it's hard to be nice to
1:26:05somebody you're going to you like try to
1:26:07backstab. And so I'd be with John and
1:26:10Grogan and maybe the sergeant and
1:26:12Gyaragos would be there with his
1:26:13investigator and we'd be going to the
1:26:16evidence room and Garos would open the
1:26:17door and everybody would get to walk in.
1:26:20When I'd get there, he'd shut he'd close
1:26:21the door, make me I'd have to open it
1:26:23myself and go in. And it was just so it
1:26:25was a it was just a thing with me and
1:26:28him. I don't know, but I didn't know
1:26:30what it was. And now I'm testifying and
1:26:34it's Garagos's turn. And we come to a
1:26:38point where I'm on the stand and then
1:26:41there's a sidebar and then they go in
1:26:43the judges chambers and they come out
1:26:45and I could see the DAs and they have
1:26:48concerned looks on their faces. I'm
1:26:50like, uh oh, something's coming. And so
1:26:54Gargo's it we so what we do is we
1:26:58dictate our reports into a tape.
1:27:01Somebody types them for us, sends it
1:27:03back to us, and then we can correct them
1:27:06or change them or do whatever and then
1:27:08sign it and turn in our reports. Well,
1:27:12he's got my tape and I've never I've
1:27:14never heard this. Nobody's ever done it
1:27:16before, but my voice on a cassette tape
1:27:19and it's reading something about uh I
1:27:23can't tell you for verbatim what it
1:27:24says, but what it basically says is I
1:27:27spoke to so and so. I spoke to, you
1:27:29know, Mr. Jones and he told me the lady
1:27:33that has a shop across from him
1:27:38told him that Lacy had come to her shop
1:27:42on Christmas Eve to use the bathroom.
1:27:44And so I put that in my I taped it. I
1:27:47put it in my report. It's hearsay, but I
1:27:50I put it in there. And so uh then after
1:27:54I dictated my tape, we go into the war
1:27:57room and we're all detectives talking
1:27:59and we're telling them and I said, "Oh
1:28:00yeah, I talked to Mr. Jones and he said
1:28:02the lady across from him told him that
1:28:04on Christmas Eve, Lacy came and used the
1:28:06bathroom or something like that." and
1:28:08and Detective Holmes says, "Oh yeah, I
1:28:10interviewed her and she told me that
1:28:13Lacy came and used the bathroom." And so
1:28:15he whole wrote a whole report about it.
1:28:16And so when I got my report, I took it
1:28:18out. I I took out that section because
1:28:22it's in Holmes' report. He interviewed
1:28:24the lady that actually had Lacy there.
1:28:26So now I'm in court on a Friday at 2:30
1:28:31or 3:00, my voice up there and then he
1:28:36types out my report and that sentence is
1:28:38missing
1:28:39and he's like, "Who took that out of
1:28:43your report?"
1:28:45And I said, "I did." And now the whole
1:28:51room full of news reporters that I see
1:28:54on TV, it's a big deal. It's a huge
1:28:57deal. And now it's break time. He wants
1:29:00a break for the weekend. So this little
1:29:02bomb he dropped is going to just
1:29:05percolate over the weekend that I took
1:29:07out exculpatory
1:29:10evidence from my police report.
1:29:13I knew it was BS, but it it made it
1:29:17looks bad, but it was not bad. And we're
1:29:22all under a gag order. Can't talk about
1:29:25it. Everybody's calling Everybody's
1:29:26calling the police department about me
1:29:29and about me taking out exculpatory
1:29:31evidence. And finally, one of my He's a
1:29:34good friend of mine. Uh he told the guy
1:29:38on the he told the reporter, "Hey, he
1:29:41took it out because it's in Detective
1:29:43Holmes's report." Well, that got
1:29:46reported over the weekend. And on Monday
1:29:49when we came to court, oh my Gyros, who
1:29:53usually walked in with a big smile, a
1:29:54coke and a different pair of sunglasses
1:29:56every day, stomped in there, peed
1:30:01off and they had a went to the judge and
1:30:04the gag order was violated. And man,
1:30:07they judge came out and ordered to have
1:30:10my chief of police there the next day.
1:30:12And actually a captain went and uh the
1:30:16judge told him if a gag order gets
1:30:18violated again, I'm going to put you in
1:30:20jail. And so it never got
1:30:24uh violated again. But the truth is I
1:30:28took something out of my report that was
1:30:31I could have never testified to it. I
1:30:33could never test Mr. Jones couldn't
1:30:35testify to it. But
1:30:38it was a big deal. And that wasn't the
1:30:40only thing I made. I made mistakes.
1:30:42Gargo found every one of them. And uh I
1:30:45felt bad. I mean I there was a point
1:30:47where I was like make it stop. I mean if
1:30:52I didn't cross a tea, he found a reason
1:30:54to talk about it for an hour. Nothing to
1:30:55do with Scott. It's all about me. And uh
1:30:59so I was feeling pretty bad there for a
1:31:01while. But after because I'd see Sharon
1:31:04and the family, I'd see him right there
1:31:06in the front row. And you know, they're
1:31:09beating me up pretty bad, making me look
1:31:11like a, you know, a terrible detective
1:31:13and all. And uh when the guilty verdicts
1:31:16came and I talked, I got to talk to her
1:31:19and she said, "You know, I never lost
1:31:23faith in you." And my department after
1:31:26we went in, my chief and the command
1:31:28staff said, "We we knew. We never lost
1:31:30faith in you. That's just that's the
1:31:32game they play.
1:31:35So
1:31:35>> his tactic was effective, but what what
1:31:40I didn't like about it was what was
1:31:42happening in court wasn't being what was
1:31:44reported on TV. And uh it's devastating
1:31:48to come home or have, you know, one of
1:31:50your family members call you from out of
1:31:52state and think that you're going to get
1:31:54fired or you're going to get arrested or
1:31:55you're going to you're a terrible
1:31:57detective when I knew I really didn't do
1:32:00anything wrong. I mean, it was all being
1:32:02spun wrong. I never got called a liar in
1:32:05court. I never was accused of being a
1:32:07perjurer in court. But I'd come out
1:32:09home, they'll turn the TV on and I'd be
1:32:11some guy would be saying I'm a vile
1:32:13little man and committed perjury over
1:32:15and over and over again. And so that's
1:32:17devastating. But as for a defense, I
1:32:20mean, I've been doing this for 20 years
1:32:22almost now, and that's their job. And he
1:32:24did his job. Over the years, one of the
1:32:27things I noticed in jury trials is the
1:32:31faces are different from the jurors, but
1:32:33the expressions seem to be the same with
1:32:36every juror on every trial. And it's
1:32:38really hard to read to get a good read
1:32:41on what their reactions are to different
1:32:43things. I know with with this trial,
1:32:46Amber was pretty much the star of it. Um
1:32:50people if they if they've never sat
1:32:51through a jury trial before, they've
1:32:52never seen what it's like other than on
1:32:54television, they don't really know how
1:32:56boring it can really be. And the thing
1:32:59is is it it's um laying out evidence
1:33:01over a period of time, especially when
1:33:03you have a lot of circumstantial
1:33:04evidence and then it's being attacked
1:33:06can seem like uh one of the most boring
1:33:09things you could be involved in and as a
1:33:11juror you're probably sitting there
1:33:12going when are you going to get to the
1:33:14point? But the thing is is there's
1:33:16procedures that have to be done and so
1:33:17jurors are kind of subjected to, you
1:33:19know, things. And the other thing that
1:33:21is present with jury trials a lot of the
1:33:23time is there's evidence that is not
1:33:25allowed to be heard by the jurors. I
1:33:28don't like that. I think everything
1:33:30should be presented to the jurors
1:33:32because it's the truth is the truth
1:33:34whether it cuts for or against. And this
1:33:36is one of the reasons that I've
1:33:37maintained and I was trained by one of
1:33:39the best detectives ever, uh, Dick
1:33:41Rydenower. He always told me, he said,
1:33:42"You put everything in your report that
1:33:45is good for the defendant and everything
1:33:48in your report that is bad for the
1:33:49defendant." Because if you leave things
1:33:51out of your report that are favorable
1:33:55for the guy that's going to be on trial
1:33:56and they're found out about, you'll be
1:33:59ripped apart to shreds on the witness
1:34:02stand. And it it's much easier if you
1:34:06just walk down the middle and you don't
1:34:08really take a side. Now, like with
1:34:10Scott, like I said, he's kind of kind of
1:34:13hard not to like other than the murder
1:34:16part of him. Um, so he I could walk
1:34:19through this case with him and I didn't
1:34:21really have any desire that well we have
1:34:23to get them. We were just searching for
1:34:25the truth and and it presenting it to a
1:34:28jury and they're the ones who are going
1:34:29to decide it. But um that the trial was
1:34:33just kind of a normal trial went a
1:34:34little bit longer because of the media
1:34:36coverage and all the things that went
1:34:37along with the case. But I thought we
1:34:39had a good judge there in Dookuchi. Um
1:34:40you'd since passed away and um there's
1:34:43some we had really good jurors. I
1:34:45thought um of course obviously I'm going
1:34:48to think that way because of the
1:34:49verdict, but they seem to analyze
1:34:51things. There's a couple of them in
1:34:53particular that um um speak frequently,
1:34:57maybe not frequently, but when you have
1:35:00shows like this, they're on it and and
1:35:01they have a very good uh demeanor about
1:35:04how they looked at the case.
1:35:05>> Yeah, I think the trial went I mean, I
1:35:08think the facts came out right on on
1:35:10this jury trial. I think the jurors got
1:35:12it right. Um, I'm sorry they took the
1:35:16death penalty off, but maybe I'm not.
1:35:18Now, maybe he's in general population
1:35:20and he's not doesn't got a single cell.
1:35:23But, uh, I think it went good. I'm not
1:35:26ashamed of anything I did in that trial
1:35:28or in that case. I didn't do any I
1:35:31didn't hide any evidence. I didn't fake
1:35:34any evidence. I mean, they can say what
1:35:36they want. I'm proud of Modesto PD and
1:35:38the work that we we did and what we put
1:35:41into that.
1:35:43The Los Angeles Innocence Project filing
1:35:45presents evidence the jury never heard
1:35:48when they convicted Scott Peterson for
1:35:49the death of his wife Lacy and their
1:35:51unborn son Connor in November of 2004.
1:35:54They write that the prosecution's case
1:35:55was based off circumstantial evidence
1:35:57and bluntly state no direct physical or
1:36:00forensic evidence was found supporting
1:36:02any part of the prosecution's theory or
1:36:05otherwise implicating Peterson.
1:36:07California state prisons are probably I
1:36:11I mean I'm just saying this from my
1:36:13aspect. I believe they're probably the
1:36:15most professional custodial organization
1:36:19in the world. Um I dealt with a lot of
1:36:22the parole agents over the years and
1:36:25went to many of the state prisons on
1:36:27different murder cases.
1:36:29These guys play major league baseball.
1:36:32They they do it right. And
1:36:36for the inmates, it's not a pleasant
1:36:39place to be. Um, it's dangerous.
1:36:43It is violent. It is noisy. It doesn't
1:36:46smell good. And it's
1:36:51it's just I I don't even like being
1:36:53there for a day. Uh, but I can't imagine
1:36:56being there for 20, 30 years because
1:36:58it's it's just hideous. It has a very
1:37:01interesting culture to it.
1:37:04um the state prisons because of the gang
1:37:06influence um
1:37:10it's not a pleasant place to be which is
1:37:13the reason that Scott is always going to
1:37:15maintain his innocence because if he
1:37:18ever admitted that he did this then his
1:37:20chances of ever getting out are gone. So
1:37:23of course when you've got a good uh good
1:37:26story you stay with it and that's his
1:37:28only hope of getting out. Uh the LA
1:37:30Innocence Project uh loosely connected
1:37:32with the Innocence Project uh has taken
1:37:35on this fight and their desire is to
1:37:38have more evidence tested. I have
1:37:41absolutely no problem whatsoever with
1:37:43any evidence being tested, retested,
1:37:45triple tested. Makes no difference to
1:37:47me. I believe the right guy is locked up
1:37:50for this crime and any evidence testing
1:37:53is not going to bring forth any other
1:37:55conclusion.
1:37:56If there's objections to testing
1:37:59evidence,
1:38:00and there may be legal ones that the
1:38:02attorneys have, but from my seat right
1:38:04here, I have no objection to testing
1:38:06evidence because I don't believe we have
1:38:08anything to hide whatsoever.
1:38:10>> I don't care about the bloody van
1:38:11because she was never in that van. On
1:38:14the day after Christmas,
1:38:17we go to Scott and we say, "We want to
1:38:21search the house again, like thoroughly
1:38:24search it. We want to search your
1:38:26computer and Lacy's computer. Maybe she
1:38:29had a stalker you don't know about.
1:38:31Maybe she had a boyfriend you don't know
1:38:33about. We want to search her phone
1:38:35records and your phone records for any
1:38:37kind of information. And he's shaking
1:38:40his head like, "Yeah, you know, that's
1:38:41that's a good idea. We should do that."
1:38:44And then we give him the form to all
1:38:48just sign right here and we're going to
1:38:50do that. And he reads it and he puts it
1:38:52down. He goes, "You don't expect me to
1:38:54sign that without a lawyer, do you?" And
1:38:56this is on December 26th. We're just
1:38:59trying to find his wife and now we got
1:39:00to get a lawyer or a search warrant.
1:39:03Well, we had the search warrant. We
1:39:05showed it to him. We said, "Well, sorry,
1:39:07Scott. I was expecting you to say that."
1:39:09And we have a search warrant anyway. So,
1:39:12uh, he looks at me, he's like, "Al,
1:39:16where's the trust?" And I'm like, "Yeah,
1:39:19Scott. Where's the trust? I mean, you
1:39:21got to go." So then we could search. But
1:39:23that's why the innocent project thing
1:39:25doesn't even a phase me. Go ahead and do
1:39:28DNA on the mattress in the van. Do all
1:39:30that as Lacy was never in there. I've
1:39:33said this before when they make noise
1:39:34that um
1:39:37we've got evidence that we want to test
1:39:38and the judge grants only some of it.
1:39:41I'm not I don't I'm not privy to all the
1:39:43information on what's been tested and
1:39:45what hasn't been. And if there's stuff
1:39:47that needs to be retested, my feeling is
1:39:49test it. Take away the mystery. take
1:39:51away the skepticism, show it for what it
1:39:54is, and put this thing to rest so that
1:39:58Scott can serve out his term.
1:40:01The baby didn't come out naturally cuz
1:40:03she still had her pants on. Uh to think
1:40:06that then they're going to these guys
1:40:08that ride bikes and don't even own a
1:40:10car, they're going to find a way to the
1:40:11Berkeley Marina and find a way to get in
1:40:13a boat. They're making a name for
1:40:14themselves. Maybe they're going to get
1:40:15some more business or something. But you
1:40:17know one thing, Scott is he is putting
1:40:20his family and Sharon's family through
1:40:24hell
1:40:25and it's wrong.
1:40:35So, you know,
1:40:38now that it's over, he's been convicted.
1:40:41I have my feelings on what happened. And
1:40:44I and the you got to remember on the
1:40:47very first day on Christmas Eve, I I
1:40:50photographed his hands and he has a a
1:40:53cut on his knuckle on a on his hand, a
1:40:56fresh one. It's not even scabbed over
1:40:58yet, so it's pretty pretty fresh. And
1:41:00there was blood in his truck. And so I
1:41:03believe that she sat on the end of her
1:41:07bed to like take her shoes off or put
1:41:09them on cuz the bed is made now. He
1:41:12tells me they got up on Christmas Eve
1:41:14and and they got out of bed and they ate
1:41:16cereal, watched TV, and then he went
1:41:18fishing and she went walking. Well, when
1:41:21he gets home, the bed's made.
1:41:25I think he just came up behind her.
1:41:29Either he bagged her with a bag over her
1:41:33head or he just strangled her and she
1:41:34scratched him and there's blood on the
1:41:38dvet his blood.
1:41:41I think he wrapped her in a tarp and he
1:41:43drugg her out to the truck, squishing
1:41:47that rug up against that door and then
1:41:51he puts her in the back of the truck and
1:41:54he's seen by somebody, a neighbor that
1:41:58says Merry Christmas to him and he says
1:42:00Merry Christmas and he's seen with a
1:42:03blue tarp and so
1:42:06he's got to have a reason to have a blue
1:42:08tarp in the back of his truck and so he
1:42:10wraps wraps up these umbrellas and puts
1:42:13them in the back of his truck.
1:42:15I think he takes her to the shop,
1:42:17transfers her to the boat.
1:42:20He made more than one anchor. Um, and we
1:42:24only found one in the boat. He admitted
1:42:28making one anchor, but there was no rope
1:42:30in the boat. No rope to to tie it off if
1:42:33you're going to throw it over. So,
1:42:37uh, I believe
1:42:40he put her in the boat because we did
1:42:42find a pair of needle-nose pliers in the
1:42:44boat with her hair wrapped around them.
1:42:48Not like on top of them, not sitting
1:42:51there, but wrapped around them. And so,
1:42:54I'm thinking he uh used and there was
1:42:57some chicken wire in his truck. I think
1:42:59he just put these anchors on her and got
1:43:02some hair on his pliers and threw her
1:43:04overboard.
1:43:06>> And premeditated, you think?
1:43:08>> So, I believe it was premeditated
1:43:10because he predicted she was lost on
1:43:12December 9th. He searched the tides of
1:43:16the San Francisco Bay on December 8th.
1:43:18He didn't search like, "What are you
1:43:20fishing for?" He's looking at the tides
1:43:22on December 8th. He buys the boat on
1:43:24December 9th. Nobody in his family,
1:43:28friends, nobody knew he owned a boat on
1:43:31December 9th. He buys a fishing license
1:43:33on December 20th and dates it for the
1:43:3723rd, 24th.
1:43:39So, I believe it's planned. Now, I I re
1:43:44really believe
1:43:46he wasn't going to tell anybody he even
1:43:48went fishing. But but by the grace of
1:43:52God, when he was backing his truck, the
1:43:55boat into the uh water, he hit the dock.
1:43:59And he told me when he was when he hit
1:44:02the dock, he saw some uh maintenance men
1:44:04up there and they were getting a pretty
1:44:06good laugh at how he was backing up this
1:44:08trailer. So, I think that's what made
1:44:11him change his story from cuz everybody
1:44:14knew he was going golfing, but from
1:44:16golfing to fishing. And even the very
1:44:19first neighbor he contacted, he said,
1:44:21"Hey, I've been golfing all day and I
1:44:23came home and Lacy's not here." Well, I
1:44:26think his original plan was to be
1:44:27golfing. And uh so I I really believe it
1:44:31was premeditated.
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1:46:21I'd see Ron around at restaurants and
1:46:23I'd talk to him and Sharon when I got
1:46:26promoted I I invited her and
1:46:30Ronda to come to my promotion and they
1:46:32name and I used to send Sharon a
1:46:35Christmas card every year cuz I would
1:46:38write stuff in them and I didn't just
1:46:40say like Al Broini or detective but
1:46:43after a while I thought
1:46:46that I'm a bad memory. I mean I'm
1:46:50sending her a Christmas card on
1:46:51Christmas the day her daughter and
1:46:54grandchild are
1:46:57killed. I said I I So I stopped I
1:47:00stopped. I didn't want her to I didn't
1:47:02want her me to make her think about that
1:47:07anymore.
1:47:08>> If you watch this and you're not in a
1:47:10coma from listening to me, think of
1:47:13Sharon. Um, and think of Lacy because
1:47:16that's really what this cold case was
1:47:17all about.
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