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The illusion of self and the illusion of free will, explained | Annaka Harris — Transcript

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  1. 0:00- People often think that illusions are evolved
  2. 0:03for their usefulness,
  3. 0:04but the truth is that most illusions
  4. 0:06that we experience are actually glitches.
  5. 0:10One example of this is the illusion of self
  6. 0:13and the illusion of free will,
  7. 0:15and the illusion of free will
  8. 0:17and self are really two sides of the same coin.
  9. 0:19It's this experience we all have
  10. 0:22of being a solid entity,
  11. 0:25an unchanging entity that moves through time,
  12. 0:28that is somehow living somewhere inside my body.
  13. 0:32It's my body, it's my brain,
  14. 0:35and therefore, somehow separate from the physical world,
  15. 0:39and this illusion confuses us about our place in nature
  16. 0:44and the state of reality on on many different levels.
  17. 0:47But the truth is that there really is this positive way
  18. 0:50to view it.
  19. 0:57So I think that free will, for the most part,
  20. 1:00is an illusion.
  21. 1:01But when I talk about free will,
  22. 1:03I like to distinguish between conscious will and free will.
  23. 1:07So I use the term free will
  24. 1:09to talk about decision-making processes in nature,
  25. 1:12which there clearly are.
  26. 1:14If you look at something like a pea tendril,
  27. 1:18when it senses that it's close to a branch
  28. 1:21that it can wrap itself around,
  29. 1:22it starts growing more quickly in that direction,
  30. 1:26and then it changes the growth,
  31. 1:27so that it wraps itself around a branch.
  32. 1:30Most of us wouldn't consider that
  33. 1:32to be a free decision-making process.
  34. 1:35It's a cause and effect process that occurs in nature.
  35. 1:38And as you move up in complexity to the level of brains
  36. 1:42and then human brains,
  37. 1:44the number of factors that come into play
  38. 1:47are so expansive
  39. 1:50that it would be impossible for us to track them all.
  40. 1:53But it is a process,
  41. 1:56and it's a process by which the brain is interacting
  42. 1:59with the exterior world
  43. 2:01and measuring the different outcomes
  44. 2:05of the different possible futures,
  45. 2:06and then ultimately making a decision.
  46. 2:09This is something that I think we can refer to as free will,
  47. 2:13and that what many people mean by free will.
  48. 2:16The problem with having "free" in the title
  49. 2:21is that it's not free in the way we feel it is,
  50. 2:25and this is where the illusion comes in.
  51. 2:29We begin with this illusion of self,
  52. 2:32of being this solid, concrete entity
  53. 2:35that lives somewhere in the head,
  54. 2:37and even though we know better,
  55. 2:40feels as though it's separate from the physical world
  56. 2:42and separate from the cause-effect relationships
  57. 2:45that we know to be in place
  58. 2:47that could somehow freely make a decision,
  59. 2:51or freely intervene in the physical world outside
  60. 2:56of the relationships of cause and effect.
  61. 2:59And because everything we experience,
  62. 3:03everything we know takes place
  63. 3:05within this felt experience of consciousness,
  64. 3:08we often equate this feeling of self with consciousness,
  65. 3:14and that I think is clearly an illusion,
  66. 3:17and I call that conscious will
  67. 3:19because it is this feeling
  68. 3:21that my conscious experience is this self
  69. 3:24and is the thing that has this freedom,
  70. 3:26and this is how the illusion of self
  71. 3:28and the illusion of free will are related.
  72. 3:32There was a very interesting study done in 2013
  73. 3:35in which they put participants in an fMRI machine
  74. 3:39and showed them a screen,
  75. 3:40and presented two numbers on that screen,
  76. 3:43and they gave them the option of either adding
  77. 3:46or subtracting these two numbers,
  78. 3:49and they were scanning the activity
  79. 3:51of these participants' brains
  80. 3:53while they were doing this calculation,
  81. 3:55and the result of this study
  82. 3:57was that the experimenters could tell up to four seconds
  83. 4:02not only when this person was going to make the decision,
  84. 4:07but whether they decided to add or subtract,
  85. 4:10and so you get the sense viscerally that there's no self
  86. 4:15or free will making decisions behind the scenes,
  87. 4:19but that in terms of your conscious experience,
  88. 4:22a decision really arises.
  89. 4:27So when I talk about the illusion of self,
  90. 4:31this is often very hard for people
  91. 4:33to grasp what that could even mean,
  92. 4:36and so I'd first like to just be very clear
  93. 4:39about what I'm not talking about
  94. 4:41when I talk about the illusion of self.
  95. 4:43So what is not an illusion is the fact
  96. 4:46that we are organisms and systems in nature,
  97. 4:50and that we have certain tendencies,
  98. 4:52and that we're organized in a certain way,
  99. 4:54and so we can talk about ourselves in the same way
  100. 4:57that we can talk about a cat as another organism in nature,
  101. 5:00or even an ocean wave.
  102. 5:03But even though we can label it a wave
  103. 5:05and we can call it a wave
  104. 5:06and talk about the types of things waves do,
  105. 5:09we all understand
  106. 5:10that a wave is not a static thing in nature.
  107. 5:13It's a process,
  108. 5:14and our brains are very much the same thing.
  109. 5:17They are processes in nature that are ever-changing,
  110. 5:20ever-evolving,
  111. 5:22that we are in constant communication
  112. 5:24with the external world,
  113. 5:26and that the boundaries between ourselves and the world
  114. 5:31and ourselves and each other are not as solid
  115. 5:34and firm as they appear to us
  116. 5:36or that they feel to us to be,
  117. 5:38especially when we feel like a static self.
  118. 5:42So the neuroscience is really still in its infancy,
  119. 5:45but we're starting to learn more
  120. 5:47and more about how this illusion of self gets created.
  121. 5:51Part of it has to do with something called change blindness,
  122. 5:55which we know about in vision.
  123. 5:57We have a blind spot in our visual field
  124. 5:59that we are not conscious of,
  125. 6:00that we don't detect,
  126. 6:01and neuroscientists are just now starting to understand
  127. 6:05that there is a change blindness with respect
  128. 6:08to our experience over time,
  129. 6:10so that we don't notice how different each
  130. 6:14of our experiences in every moment are from every other,
  131. 6:19which adds to this illusion of being a solid entity
  132. 6:22that moves through time unchanged,
  133. 6:25and we also know that memory plays a role
  134. 6:28in creating this experience of self as well.
  135. 6:33There's a sense in which all of the memories
  136. 6:37that we have access to over time were being experienced
  137. 6:42by the same subject,
  138. 6:44and you can imagine if your memories weren't strung together
  139. 6:48and your experience was just of each present moment,
  140. 6:51there'd be much less of a sense
  141. 6:53of a self moving through time.
  142. 6:56We're also learning a little bit more
  143. 6:58about what neuroscientists refer to
  144. 7:00as the default mode network.
  145. 7:02So we know that when the default mode network is active,
  146. 7:06we are highly aware of this illusion of self,
  147. 7:10and it tends to quiet down when we're experiencing
  148. 7:13what people talk about as a flow state.
  149. 7:15So when we're very immersed in our work,
  150. 7:17if we're very immersed in a sport,
  151. 7:19when people are under the influence
  152. 7:21of some psychedelic substances,
  153. 7:23or various meditation techniques
  154. 7:25that quiet down the default mode network,
  155. 7:28we are not so aware of self versus other
  156. 7:32or self versus world,
  157. 7:34which is actually closer to the underlying reality.
  158. 7:40So many people find this realization
  159. 7:42to be quite disconcerting,
  160. 7:44which is understandable,
  161. 7:46and I think one way to address that is levels of usefulness.
  162. 7:50The vast majority of the time,
  163. 7:52it is not useful or helpful to realize
  164. 7:56that there's an illusion of sorts taking place.
  165. 7:59One example I like to give
  166. 8:01is that we more or less walk around with the illusion
  167. 8:04that the Earth is flat,
  168. 8:05and we act as though the Earth is flat,
  169. 8:07and that's the best way to go about our everyday lives.
  170. 8:09If we constantly reminded ourselves
  171. 8:12that the Earth is a sphere, and had to keep that in mind,
  172. 8:14and had to feel that way everywhere we went,
  173. 8:16it would just be an annoying distraction,
  174. 8:19and would get in the way of all kinds of activities
  175. 8:21and would not be helpful.
  176. 8:22And the same is true of the illusion of self
  177. 8:24and the illusion of free will.
  178. 8:27There are places where it's useful.
  179. 8:29It's useful, obviously, for the sciences
  180. 8:31and for neuroscience,
  181. 8:32but it actually can also be useful psychologically
  182. 8:36in certain circumstances, and again,
  183. 8:38this isn't something you wanna remind yourself of
  184. 8:39in every moment,
  185. 8:41but there are moments where realizing
  186. 8:44that there's an experience
  187. 8:47of conscious will taking place
  188. 8:51can be quite liberating.
  189. 8:55Many people get stuck in feeling responsible
  190. 8:58for their psychological state,
  191. 9:01and there's a way in which simply being
  192. 9:04with whatever uncomfortable emotions you're experiencing,
  193. 9:07whether it's sadness or frustration or anger,
  194. 9:11being with them rather than believing
  195. 9:14that you are controlling them can be extremely beneficial
  196. 9:18for psychological wellbeing.
  197. 9:21There are also ways
  198. 9:22that we can apply this in our relationships
  199. 9:24with other people.
  200. 9:26I sometimes talk about the fact
  201. 9:27that you would never get angry at a tornado,
  202. 9:30and that doesn't mean anger doesn't have a place
  203. 9:32in society and culture.
  204. 9:34But there are times when anger can overcome us
  205. 9:38and start to rule our lives in a way
  206. 9:41that is incredibly unhelpful and unhealthy,
  207. 9:45and when we understand
  208. 9:48that our brains are essentially processes playing out
  209. 9:51in nature,
  210. 9:52and there isn't a solid self to every person
  211. 9:57that is somehow evil
  212. 9:58or worthy of blame can also be liberating
  213. 10:02to notice in certain circumstances.
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