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0:00I was 23 years old and I asked myself a
0:02question. Why do some people walk or
0:04talk, some people live their life? Why
0:05do some people do what they say and
0:06others don't? I want to know the answer
0:08to that. People talk about I sabotage.
0:10[music]
0:11I've never seen sabotage. Impulsive,
0:13compulsive, addictive behaviors [music]
0:15are compensations for unfulfilled
0:17highest values.
0:18>> What is the direct cost of living life
0:21in this state of unawareness?
0:23>> In a nutshell, entropy, which we call
0:25illness. But our intuition, it is trying
0:28to whisper to us the side that we're
0:30ignoring. Now, what I've done is I've
0:32developed systems of asking questions to
0:34help us see the part that we've
0:36overlooked. I now ask the question, now
0:39you get to be authentic and you get to
0:41know thyself. You get to be yourself.
0:42You get to love yourself. When you can't
0:44wait to get up in the morning and do
0:45something extremely inspiring and
0:47meaningful, you're not distracted by
0:49immediate gratification cuz you're now
0:51focusing on long-term vision. So if you
0:53don't fill your day with high priority
0:54actions that inspire you, you'll
0:56automatically shrink your space and time
0:58horizons for a quick fix. So what you
1:00say means very little. What your life
1:02demonstrates means everything.
1:10Hey everyone, welcome back to the know
1:12podcast. Our guest today is a renowned
1:15human behavior expert, international
1:17best seller, author, speaker, someone
1:20who has supported millions of people
1:22move beyond confined and limiting
1:24beliefs that that hold them back in
1:26life. And our last conversation was
1:29incredible. I loved it so much and you
1:30guys really really resonated with it as
1:32well. So I am so pleased to have back
1:35Dr. John D. Martini. Thank you for
1:36coming back.
1:37>> Thank you for having me.
1:40>> I'd like to dive right in. you've spoken
1:42to throughout your work about this
1:44hidden order behind all life throughout
1:46the cosmos and the human developmental
1:48journey and behind every experience,
1:51every judgment, every perception, there
1:53is a hidden order waiting to be
1:55realized. Uh could you set the framework
1:58for what you feel that is so that we can
2:01see how it might support us in living a
2:04more fulfilled human experience?
2:06>> What a great question to start off with.
2:08Thank you.
2:11There were two gentlemen that came from
2:14MIT that created information theory
2:18and there was another named Claude
2:20Shannon who took that and kind of put it
2:22out on the map.
2:24He basically said that disorder is or
2:29randomness was missing information
2:33and
2:34the order was the reclaiming of that
2:36information.
2:39Another mathematician
2:42um Steven Wolfrom said that
2:46most of us have a computational boundary
2:48and our ability to identify information
2:50that's missing and therefore we tend to
2:53see things from a chaotic disordered
2:56perspective.
2:59But if we can ask questions since the
3:01quality of our lives is based on the
3:02questions we ask. If we can ask
3:05questions that make us conscious of what
3:07was unconscious
3:09and reclaim the information that we
3:11think is missing, which is not, but we
3:13think it is because we're unconscious of
3:15it because we filter it out with
3:16subjective bias. [sighs]
3:18And we access that information.
3:21We can reclaim and discover the hidden
3:25order in the apparent chaos.
3:29So, I'll use an analogy.
3:31>> [laughter]
3:31>> You have to tell me when to stop cuz
3:33I'll keep going.
3:33>> Keep rolling.
3:37You meet somebody
3:39that you're attracted to.
3:42Your amigdula assigns a veilency to it
3:45as a positive experience. Prey something
3:47you want to consume and eat. So you have
3:50an impulse to seek it out.
3:53And
3:55because in order to survive we needed
3:58false positives to assume that that was
4:01prey instead of assuming it's not or
4:03predator instead of assuming it's not.
4:06We heir on the idea that it is more
4:08positive than negative or more negative
4:10than positive. We tend to skew and bias
4:13our interpretation of reality. So if we
4:16see something that we're attracted to,
4:18we become conscious of the positives and
4:20unconscious the negatives. Whatever
4:22we're unconscious of is missing
4:24information.
4:26We're asleep. We're unawwake.
4:28We're not seeing it.
4:32So if we infatuate with something or
4:34admire something or seek something,
4:36we're partly blind to the downsides of
4:39the catch.
4:42The same thing on reverse. If we see
4:44something that we think is uh more
4:46predator and we're conscious of the
4:48downside, unconscious of the upsides, we
4:51skew again on with false positives. And
4:53to do that primarily because we need to
4:55be able to run faster than the prey and
4:57run faster than the predator to survive.
5:01So as a survival mechanism, we skew our
5:04interpretation of reality and we become
5:07conscious and unconscious.
5:10conscious of the positives, unconscious
5:11the negatives, or conscious of the
5:12negatives, unconscious the positives.
5:15And each time we do that, we're now in
5:17our amiga seeking or avoiding and
5:22storing that information in our
5:24hippocampus
5:26um as episodic memories of something
5:30that we can not starve by and something
5:33we can escape and something we can not
5:36be eaten by.
5:38So, as long as we have these skewed
5:39views, we're missing information. We're
5:42not seeing the whole.
5:45A day, a week, a month, a year, 5 years
5:47later, after we capture this prey, this
5:50this person we're admiring, we start to
5:53discover some of the downsides that we
5:55didn't see initially.
5:56And the same thing, what we thought was
5:58terrible a day, a week, a month, a year,
6:005 years later, we can look back and go,
6:01I'm so grateful I had that experience.
6:04seemed terrible initially but it
6:05actually gave me a catalyst for in
6:07independence or innovation or something.
6:11So our first interpretation can be
6:13skewed and we can misinformation and be
6:17unconscious of part of it and therefore
6:20we see chaos. We see the disorder and
6:23we're caught in a kind of a cyclic
6:25oscillation in our perceptions and
6:27actions.
6:30But our intuition, which is nothing but
6:33negative feedback systems in our brain
6:35trying to make us see the whole so we
6:37can be fully conscious and awakened and
6:39enlightened
6:40uh and love. It is trying to whisper to
6:43us the side that we're ignoring when
6:45we're infatuated or resentful or seeking
6:48or avoiding. And so it is constantly
6:51trying to bring into our conscious
6:53awareness the part we're unconscious of
6:55so we can be fully conscious.
6:58Now, what I've done is I've developed
7:01systems of asking questions that are
7:03prompted by what we have inside our
7:05intuition to help us see the part that
7:08we've overlooked and become fully
7:11conscious. And when we do, we discover
7:14what I call the hidden order. It was
7:16only hidden from our conscious
7:18awareness. The order was there the whole
7:21time.
7:23We could call it the implicate order if
7:24we use David Bow's terms. We could call
7:26the divine order if we use theological
7:28terms,
7:30but it's basically where we realize that
7:33at our full conscious awareness,
7:36nothing's missing.
7:38But in our
7:40personas, our mass, our imposttor
7:42syndromes, we have information that's
7:45missing. So disorder means missing
7:48information. Reclaiming that information
7:51allows us to see the hidden order, the
7:52meaning behind things. We impose and
7:55project false meanings on things
7:57initially. This is good. This is bad.
7:59And we get trapped in moral hypocrisies.
8:03But once we go probing deeper and
8:05discovering the information that's
8:06missing, we find the true golden mean,
8:09the real meaning behind things. And it's
8:12a synthesis and synchronicity of the
8:14complimentary opposites. And we have by
8:18definition love. I always say love is
8:20the synthesis synchronicity of all
8:22complimentary opposites. All the unity
8:24of opposites that Heraclitus described.
8:27And so
8:28asking questions and become cognizant of
8:32and trusting our intuition which
8:33sometimes meditation can you know
8:37percolate and bring to the surface and
8:39then you're now clear and aware and you
8:41don't have noise and static. You have
8:43the channel of the signal of the soul,
8:45you might say, coming through. And when
8:48you do that, you have a glimpse of
8:50knowing yourself. You have a glimpse of
8:53not because if you put somebody on a
8:54pedestal and are attracted to them,
8:56you'll tend to minimize yourself, which
8:58is inauthenticity. And if you put
8:59somebody in the pit and exaggerate
9:01yourself, you're inauthentic. But if
9:03you're able to be fully conscious of
9:04both sides and have pure reflective
9:06awareness, which is a true intimacy with
9:08the universe and now you get to be
9:11authentic and you get to know thyself,
9:14you get to be yourself. You get to love
9:16yourself. and the hidden order. I I
9:19really believe that the symptoms of our
9:21physiology, psychology, sociology, and
9:24even theological feedback, business
9:27feedback is nothing more than a feedback
9:30to guide us back to knowing the truth
9:32about ourel, our authentic self where we
9:34have sustainable fair exchange with
9:36other people instead of trying to get
9:38something for nothing for narcissism or
9:40trying to give something for nothing for
9:41altruism. Both of which are skewed
9:44interpretations of reality. So, I' I
9:46would much rather um use the feedback
9:50from the universe and become more
9:52consciously aware and ask quality
9:54questions and become aware of the whole
9:57because aware of the whole uh balances
9:59out the autonomic nervous system,
10:01balances out the brain waves, takes the
10:04delta from the parasympathetic and the
10:07beta from the sympathetic and puts it
10:08into the alphatheta junction and then
10:11all of a sudden initiates a gamma
10:13synchronicity, a eureka moment, an aha
10:15moment where are actually seeing the
10:16whole and we have tears of gratitude
10:18because we've now access now the hidden
10:20order.
10:22>> Sign me up.
10:24So
10:25this is something that I feel very
10:27called and have for a while in my life
10:29to experience life as it is to see
10:31people as they are to not be so
10:33identified through the lens and
10:34cognitive bias of my own rosecolored
10:37tinted glasses. To see people uh as who
10:40they are for how I want them to show up
10:42instead of who they are in this moment.
10:45And so for those that strive to live
10:48with the cognizance of this hidden order
10:50to like you said become a being who is
10:53in love which is the recognition the
10:55synthesis and synchronization of
10:56complimentary opposites which you
10:58mentioned to have our first impressions
11:01upon life. How have you trained yourself
11:03to be aware of the upside and the
11:06downside the the complimentary
11:08opposites? Um, ho how have you
11:10cultivated your perception to be able to
11:13live from that place where you're seeing
11:15life in a more objective sense?
11:18>> I don't want to mislead people in
11:19thinking that I stay there.
11:21>> How have you made progress? [laughter]
11:23>> I don't even know if it's progress. I
11:25I'm going to reframe that.
11:26>> Okay. Um,
11:30Socrates was considered a wise
11:32individual, but he
11:35spoofed that cuz he said, "I know
11:38nothing."
11:39And what he was really saying is when
11:41you infatuate with somebody, you really
11:44don't know who they are. You're blind to
11:46the downsides. When you resent somebody,
11:48you don't really know who they are.
11:49You're blind to the upsides.
11:52But when you actually get to see both
11:53sides simultaneously as Wilhelm W called
11:55the law of contrast simultaneously and
11:59you have the tears of gratitude and feel
12:00love for somebody you get to know
12:02yourself you only have certainty when
12:04you imbalance both sides simultaneously
12:08so
12:11I have moments where I know
12:14but whatever I know what I don't know is
12:16always an infinite what I know is always
12:19a finite it's an infantessimal
12:22So I you have to live as Einstein said
12:24in holy curiosity to continually embrace
12:27the next mystery. You have the history
12:30of what you know but you have the
12:31mystery of what's to come. And even if
12:34you're present and you're not in the
12:36state of time, you still have the
12:38mysteries of what's unknown because no
12:40matter what you conceive in your
12:42infinitude, it's still finite because
12:45it's only what we know today.
12:47So I would say enlightenment is a
12:49relative term more so than I'm now
12:51enlightened. I would consider myself a
12:53relatively aware individual. That's it.
12:56Now each time I go into the next
12:58mystery, I'm now confronted by the
13:01polarities.
13:03And uh so I don't have this idea that I
13:06stay there or I'm mostly there cuz I'm
13:11if you're growing, you're continually
13:12confronting your next mystery. And if
13:14you're not, you're stagnant. you're not
13:16really pushing yourself or allowing
13:18yourself to emerge.
13:20So, I don't want to give the impression
13:21that, you know, I'm any different than
13:23anybody else because I don't think that
13:24would be fair to people because then it
13:26would make it think, well, I need to be
13:27like that or and make people look up or
13:29down at people. I don't find that
13:31productive.
13:33So, but I do when I am confronted with
13:36that, I have accumulated a series of
13:39questions because the questions I ask
13:42are make me more conscious of things
13:44that I'm overlooking.
13:46So I hold myself accountable by the
13:47questions. So if I now I'm confronted by
13:50something that I think well oh wow
13:52that's amazing or or yeah I don't like
13:54that and I put a a spin on it and I and
13:57I put a moral illusion on it or
14:00something then I will watch my
14:02physiology respond by a seeking
14:04avoidance response. I'm now in my
14:06amydala. I'm not in my executive center.
14:08I'm not self-governed. I'm not knowing
14:11myself. I'm distorting myself by the law
14:14of contrast to things that I'm
14:15exaggerating or minimizing around me. So
14:18then I just if I find it's mild and it's
14:22not really perturbing me, I may just be
14:24patient and pass through it. If I find
14:26that it's now distracting and occupying
14:28space and time in a mind, I may then
14:31address the questions and pull them out,
14:33maybe even on a piece of paper, and
14:34start asking the questions to help me
14:36look at what I'm overlooking.
14:39Our physiology
14:41is an amazing feedback.
14:45So if you are infatuated with something
14:48and are attracted to it and impulsively
14:50seeking it and it occupies space and
14:53time your mind and is stored in the
14:54hypocampus which creates the existential
14:57world we live in because it's putting
14:58things in space and time which makes us
15:00existential.
15:02um that occupation of space and time in
15:06the mind. That intrusive thought at
15:08night when you're sleeping preoccupies
15:10your mind and it clouds the clarity of
15:12the mind. So when you're sleeping, it's
15:14a bit disturbing. The same thing if
15:16you're resentful, if you're highly
15:17resentful to something, it's hard to
15:18sleep. Highly infatuate, it's hard to
15:20sleep. So the insomnic,
15:22you know, responses that we have at
15:24night are letting us know that we have a
15:26skewed subjectively interpretation of
15:28reality and we're not seeing things
15:30whole and objective. And so it's guiding
15:33us to ask the questions to
15:35counterbalance
15:37um the content that's occupying our mind
15:40to help us stabilize ourselves. And and
15:42the second we're back to being
15:43ourselves, we sleep soundly.
15:46And the same thing if if uh we polarize
15:49our perception and we're seeking
15:51something now, we fear its loss. And if
15:53we're trying to avoid something, now we
15:55fear its gain. So insomnia is basically
15:58a culmination of the accumulation of the
16:00fear of losses and fear of gains. I
16:03always say the master lives in a world
16:04of transformation and resiliency and the
16:06masses live in the illusions of gain and
16:08loss. So when we have that we have all
16:11this noise and when I when I am aware
16:14that I do that I will then bring up the
16:17questions and hold myself accountable to
16:20bring back the balance sheet
16:22>> and and see things as it is um instead
16:25of as it is perceived. You know it was
16:29David Hume a Scottish philosopher who
16:32when he was studying uh values he said
16:34there's is and there's ought and when we
16:38and the Gita said as it is verse as it's
16:41not and so what we do is we go through
16:44and we sometimes get in indoctrinated
16:47and inculcated uh injected
16:49[clears throat] values by outer
16:50authorities or normative deontological
16:52belief systems that this is the way it
16:55should be ought to be supposed to be got
16:57to be have to you need to be etc.
16:59instead of what it is. And so if I find
17:02myself hearing imperative language
17:04inside me uh directed towards me or
17:08directed towards others, I know that I'm
17:10in an imposttor syndrome and I know it's
17:12time to ask the questions to equilibrate
17:13to mine and bring myself to what is
17:16because what is is the magnificence and
17:18hidden order of the universe. It's
17:20always there waiting for us to become
17:22aware of it but we tend to impose our
17:25distortions on it. uh only to create our
17:28symptomatology as a feedback to guide us
17:30back to seeing what is because the
17:32magnificence of what is far exceeds any
17:34of the fantasies we impose on it.
17:37>> Would you mind sharing a question or two
17:39of those?
17:40>> Sure.
17:41Um,
17:43let's say that I meet somebody that I
17:45admire and look up to and I infatuate
17:47and I'm too humbled to admit what I see
17:49in them is inside me and I think they
17:52have figured something or known
17:53something either intellectually or in
17:56business or in finance or in
17:58relationship or in social settings or
18:01social savvy or physical fitness or
18:03spiritual awareness or whatever. I have
18:05the illusion that there's something
18:07missing
18:08at the level of the soul. Well,
18:10nothing's missing. You have pluromic
18:12fulfillment at the level of the senses.
18:15Things appear to be missing and you have
18:17komic emptiness and unfulfillment. So if
18:21I have a moment where I I'm too humble
18:23that to see what I see in them, I
18:26immediately ask, what specific trait,
18:28action or inaction, do I perceive this
18:31individual displaying or demonstrating
18:33that I admire, look up to, or seek most?
18:38And I pinpoint the components. It may be
18:41multiple
18:43and they may be composite traits or
18:45singular traits. I identify what that
18:47is. So it's not nebulous.
18:50I just identify it. And then I ask the
18:52second question. All right, John. Go to
18:55a moment where and when you perceive
18:58yourself displaying or demonstrating the
19:00same specific trait, action or inaction
19:03and identify where it was when it was.
19:05So I'm activating the hippocampus and uh
19:08to whom it was so I get the direction
19:10and location and who perceived me so I
19:13can have reflection and transparency and
19:16identify that where I've done it when
19:19I've done it until the quantity and
19:20quality are completely equal and there's
19:23no question I'm certain that I have
19:26reflective awareness again and instead
19:28of having deflective awareness where I'm
19:30too humble I'm now reflective awareness
19:32and I realize that it was a projection
19:33of me just like it said in Romans 2:1 in
19:36the New Testament, uh, when you judge
19:38other people, beware. You've done the
19:40same thing. You're pointing a finger.
19:41It's you. But that works not only on
19:43things you dislike, but things you like,
19:45things you despise and admire. So, I go
19:48in there and I hold myself accountable
19:49until I see that. And then I even did a
19:52preemptive strike 41 years ago. I did
19:54preemptive strike by going to the Oxford
19:56English dictionary and identifying all
19:58possible traits found in the dictionary
20:00inside me. So I didn't have to wait and
20:02react by a, you know, a a reaction from
20:06hindsight. I could proactively
20:09identify all those traits inside me to
20:10realize that nothing's missing in me.
20:12But still occasionally I'll get it from
20:14an angle that I haven't identified.
20:17If I do that and I own that, I soften
20:21some of the judgment.
20:23My reflective awareness goes up. I'm
20:26more poised.
20:28And then I asked the next question
20:30because if I was under the assumption
20:32that there were more positives and
20:34negatives that I admired.
20:37Admire means to get close and look at. I
20:40want to get close and look to it. I um I
20:44now ask the question go to the moment
20:47exactly where and when I perceive this
20:49individual displaying or demonstrating
20:51the specific trait that I admire most
20:54and at that moment what are the
20:56downsides so I can strengthen my
20:58intuition and become aware of what I
21:01overlooked. What are the downsides
21:04spiritually? What are the downsides?
21:05Intellectually the downsides business,
21:07finance, family, social, physical. I go
21:10through and hold myself accountable to
21:13identify where I see the downsides to
21:17balance it because otherwise if I don't
21:20I'm going to have my my veency for my
21:22amigdula run me instead of my executive
21:24center where I see things objectively
21:27instead of seeing things as it is with
21:30both sides I'm seeing it as it is it
21:32being interpreted as it I think it
21:34should be and in the process of doing it
21:37once I get the quantity of the downsides
21:41equaling the upsides and it is neither
21:43positive nor negative. I get a tear of
21:46gratitude to realize that there was the
21:48hidden order sitting there the whole
21:50time and I had been you know that I had
21:53skewed and distorted the reality and got
21:55caught in my illusion. I then go another
21:58question.
22:00I then go go to a moment John back to
22:03where and when you do it because if you
22:06perceive them having a trait you admired
22:09that means you were proud
22:11of yourself when you did it and pride is
22:14your imposttor syndrome it's not who you
22:16are pride is an exaggeration of who you
22:18are so I go back to where I perceive
22:20myself doing it and take each of the
22:22individuals I did it to and each of the
22:24individuals who perceive me doing it and
22:26I find out the downsides to them and I
22:29don't allow myself to speculate. I only
22:31look at ones that I'm certain about of
22:33the downsides to them. To calm down my
22:35pride for self-government purposes and
22:38allow myself to see that the only reason
22:41I was admiring them is because I was
22:44actually proud of myself and they're
22:46bringing it out of me and that's why but
22:49I'm too humble at that moment to admit
22:50that I'm storing that pride and they're
22:53now reflecting and bring it to my
22:54service. So they came into my life to
22:56help me realize of my imposttor, my
22:59exaggeration myself. And when I
23:01exaggerate myself, I tend to project my
23:03values onto other people and expect them
23:04to live in my values, which is futile.
23:06It's nonsustainable. So I go in there
23:09and I find out how it served the people
23:11that I did it to through each episode
23:13that I can identify that I listed to
23:17balance it and who perceived it. because
23:20sometimes your pride is not from who you
23:22did things to, but you did it in front
23:24of people that perceived it. Once I get
23:27those level, um it's quite different in
23:31how I interpret what's going on. But I
23:33go don't stop there. I start asking the
23:36question now go to a moment where and
23:38when I perceive them demonstrating that
23:41trait again, I ask who are they
23:43demonstrating it to? In this case, me or
23:45it could be somebody else. And now I go
23:48and ask where and when do they display
23:51the exact opposite trait to the same
23:53individual. So I break my label because
23:56sometimes we go through and build labels
23:57and say well they're always that way or
23:58most the time they're that way. So I go
24:00in there and counterbalance it and hold
24:02myself accountable to find out where
24:03they are displaying the opposite trait,
24:06the anti trait. Because when you do
24:08things that support people's values,
24:10they respond one way. And you do
24:12something that challenge your values,
24:13they can respond completely opposite.
24:15You support my values, I can be nice as
24:16a pussycat. You challenge my values, I
24:18can be mean as a tiger. So, I b make
24:20sure that I hold myself accountable to
24:22rebalance the equation on what I
24:23perceive in them. Or otherwise, I'm
24:26still holding on to a skewed view that
24:28they're more they're this and I put a
24:30label on people instead of love people.
24:33When I do that, um, I'm already now in a
24:36different frame. I'm more fully aware.
24:39My intu intuition has been strengthened
24:42because I've honored it by the question.
24:45But I have another question I ask. Go to
24:48the moment where and when you perceive
24:50this individual displaying and
24:51demonstrating the trait that you admired
24:53most. You there at that moment. Where
24:56are you? When are you? What exactly are
25:00they doing? Again, make sure you're
25:01really clear on it. What is the context?
25:04You're in a dynamic. You're not a
25:06victim. you've done something to
25:07initiate that response. Maybe you were
25:10proud and maybe resilient, resistant to
25:12them. Maybe you challenged their idea.
25:14Maybe that's why they were critical to
25:15you maybe or praised you or something.
25:18You identify what that is. You look at
25:20who they did it to, which is you. And
25:22now you go at that moment, you close
25:24your eyes and you get access to what is
25:27called the anti-memory in the brain. And
25:29you find out who is doing exactly the
25:31opposite, real or virtual, one or many,
25:34male or female, close or distant.
25:37And you find out who is actually doing
25:39the opposite because the mind will never
25:42have a perception without the opposite
25:43perception to counterbalance the brain
25:46to keep the excitation and inhibition
25:47ratios in the brain in equilibrium. So
25:50it'll create a virtual or real
25:52situation. So I make sure I find out
25:55where that is. So I realized now there's
25:58the hidden order there that that
26:00whatever my perception is I couldn't
26:03perceive. No phenomenal perceptions can
26:05occur without contrast. So I then
26:08identify where was the opposite because
26:10that perception required an opposite in
26:12order to perceive. If you infatuate with
26:15something you have to resent its
26:16opposite and you have to be aware of
26:18that in order to even perceive it in the
26:20first place. So I make myself fully
26:22aware of both of those. And when I do,
26:25there's a gamma synchronicity. The
26:27autonomics come into balance. There's a
26:29resilience and adaptability. And I'm now
26:31in a more authentic state because I'm
26:34not seeing the skewed view. I'm seeing
26:36what's actually there. Actuality, not
26:38reality. Self-actualization, if you want
26:41to call it, self um knowing.
26:48Then I go to another question. I got 80
26:50of these. I can keep going. I have
26:52another question. go to the moment where
26:54and when I perceive them in
26:56demonstrating the trait again. And in
26:58that moment, the only reason I admired
27:00it is because in the past when somebody
27:04does the opposite behavior,
27:06I'm avoiding that. I've associated pain
27:08in my hippocampus with it. So that's why
27:11I'm admiring that trait. So I go in
27:13there and ask if at that moment they had
27:16done exactly the opposite behavior. The
27:18very thing I would not want them to do
27:21at the moment I admired them. What would
27:24been the benefit? And I stack up the
27:26benefits of that in that moment if they
27:28had done the opposite trait. No
27:30speculations. I only look for benefits
27:32I'm certain about. I stack up the
27:34benefits to break my wound which is
27:37making me now label that an admirable
27:39trait and making me too humbled to admit
27:43that where I've done it because our
27:45amigula tends to want to be addicted to
27:48pride and fantasy and wants to be
27:50subdicted away from shame and nightmare.
27:53It's just the way the miga does for
27:55survival purposes. So I go in there and
27:57I I crack the the opposite the nightmare
28:00and I find the benefits of that. And
28:02when I do, I realize that there's
28:04nothing to change. My instead of me
28:07having a desire to change me relative to
28:09them because I'm infatuate and admiring
28:11them, I have no desire to change
28:13anything. My human will now matches what
28:16is or divine will or the hidden order.
28:18And now I realize I'm now poised and all
28:21the noise in the brain's gone and now
28:23I'm clear and I'm now in a state of
28:24presence. And so I would I use the tool
28:28to ask those questions. Those are seven
28:30questions. But I can go even further. I
28:32can go in there and ask what I the next
28:35question and go to the moment when where
28:38they did that. And at that exact moment
28:40that they did the action um where were
28:43they in time? Well, in other words, if
28:47they were if they're doing something I'm
28:48admiring, are they doing something that
28:51is admiring about what they're going to
28:52do in the future or what they did in the
28:54past? I can put a temporal component on
28:56it. And since temporal has entanglement,
28:59just like space has entanglement, I can
29:01then go and find out when I'm doing uh
29:03the question on who's doing the
29:05opposite, I can find out where they're
29:07doing it. And I have done this enough to
29:09know that if you're admiring something
29:11about what they're about to do in the
29:12future, you're actually despising
29:14something about what somebody did in the
29:16past to counterbalance it to make sure
29:18your mind is present. Your brain is
29:20constantly trying to keep temporal in
29:22entanglement where memory and
29:24imaginations are counterbalancing each
29:26other to make sure you're present. So I
29:28I go through and I ask these questions.
29:30Like I said, I could do 80 of them, but
29:31those are the first eight.
29:35I love seeing the way your mind works
29:37and and deciphering and uh creating
29:40depth around the context in which the
29:41qualities emerge and the traits emerge
29:43that you admire, despise and what you
29:45perceive in your surroundings. You
29:47mentioned how The masses will live in
29:50this illusion of gain and loss. What is
29:53the direct practical cost of living life
29:56in this state of unawareness?
29:59In a nutshell, entropy, the arrow of
30:02time,
30:03aging,
30:05and epigenetically and autonomically
30:07induced symptomatology to try to guide
30:09them back, which we call illness.
30:14>> Sounds like like death. uh entropy Frank
30:19Tipler called nega entropy life physics
30:22and entropy death physics we usually
30:24call it death physics in physics
30:25>> death physics
30:26>> because it's going towards dissipation
30:29and heat uh death and yeah it's it's a
30:33pessimistic death physics instead of
30:36negropy which is Irwin Schroinger's term
30:38for life physics
30:40>> and so then in living in accordance with
30:42life physics what have you seen as what
30:46becomes available to you energetically
30:48def uh redefining what the aging process
30:51quote unquote is.
30:52>> You just said it. You have a you have
30:54more vitality. Whenever you're living in
30:56your executive center in your med
30:58prefrontal cortex, your mitochondria are
31:00more likely to duplicate and more likely
31:02to give more energy. The oxidative
31:04postalization process is enhanced.
31:06Whenever you're in your amygdala, you
31:08get cell death and danger responses and
31:10mitochondria are shut down. So, your
31:13vitality and your energy levels go up.
31:15Um and um your immortality goes up
31:19because you're present.
31:21As Deepo used to say, a timeless mind
31:23aids this body. You have less literally
31:25physiological entropy.
31:28You're every time you infatuate with
31:30something and activate a parasympathetic
31:32response or resent something and
31:34activate a sympathetic response, a rest
31:36and digest because you want to consume
31:38it anabolically grow. The other one you
31:40want to avoid it and you know
31:41catabolically decay. Both of those
31:44mechanisms create epigenetic responses
31:47of acetylation and methylation and they
31:50induce responses of mitosis or
31:52apoptosis. And anytime those those two
31:56systems get out of balance, we have an
31:57illness. So illness is nothing more than
32:00a feedback mechanism to guide us. If
32:02we're conscious and know what applied
32:04physiology means, it's guiding us back
32:06to the center to try to help us live as
32:10you described where you know yourself.
32:12We have no sense of who you are and um
32:15and the profoundness of who you are uh
32:17is more profound than I think we can
32:20comprehend.
32:23>> Our computational boundaries limit us
32:25from our awareness of who we really are.
32:27>> Yeah.
32:29Another phenomena that pulls us away
32:30from our center, which I've heard you
32:32speak to many times, is the comparative
32:35phenomena. When especially in the age we
32:37live, we have more stimulus and
32:39opportunities for this now maybe more
32:41than ever through social media where
32:44we're doing we it's such a disservice to
32:46live life swimming against the own tide
32:48of how our intelligence wants to express
32:51itself and trying to be secondhand
32:53versions of other people. And I've heard
32:56you mention the quote which I love also
32:57from Einstein about how everyone's a
32:59genius but if you judge a fish by its
33:01ability to climb a tree it's going to
33:02think it's stupid. And so for you who's
33:06someone who's so clearly defined their
33:08values, what's most meaningful,
33:10prioritizing that in their life, living
33:12in alignment with how life's
33:14intelligence wants to move through you,
33:16so to speak. Can you speak to the
33:18importance of recognizing how uh like
33:22our own unique intelligence and genius
33:24and living in accordance with that, not
33:26comparing to other people?
33:28Well, each individual, and I may have
33:30mentioned this on that, our previous
33:32one, each individual lives by a
33:34hierarchy of values, a set of
33:36priorities.
33:37And somebody asked me just this weekend
33:39at my breakthrough experience program,
33:41how do those come about? So maybe let me
33:44develop that and tie these together.
33:47Anytime you put somebody on a pedestal
33:50and minimize yourself by the law of
33:52contrast
33:55and you are too humble to admit what you
33:57see in them is inside you, you have a
33:59disowned part,
34:01a missing part, a deflected part, or as
34:05Plato called it, a dismembered part
34:09that leaves you feeling an emptiness.
34:12Which is why anytime you judge, you feel
34:14empty and a void.
34:19That's the conscious enmiration.
34:21But you have an unconscious despise of
34:24that opposite at the same moment. In
34:26fact, you can't even admire something
34:28without despising its opposite
34:30simultaneously. But one you're conscious
34:31of the other one you're unconscious of.
34:34When you're despising something, you're
34:38too proud to admit what you see in them
34:40is inside you. And you are
34:44disowning that part, dismembering that
34:47part and deflecting that part.
34:51When you do, you have now an emptiness
34:53and a void. So every time you judge, you
34:56create emptiness.
34:58The Nostis call that can unfulfillment
35:01emptiness.
35:03But those voids of what you judge that
35:06you have incomplete awareness about are
35:09also great feedback mechanisms because
35:12they're letting you know what you
35:13haven't loved and giving you an
35:14opportunity to love.
35:16>> It's an intelligent design.
35:18>> It's an intelligent feedback.
35:20Empedicles,
35:22the guy that created the cosmogonic
35:23cycle of the descent of the soul into
35:25incarnation and the resurrection of the
35:27soul beckoned it, which most theologies
35:29of the Abrahamic religions were emerging
35:31from.
35:33He believed that there was the four
35:35elements, fire, air, water, and air, and
35:37earth, and the synthesis of that, which
35:40was the ether. And if they're all
35:41unified, you have love. But if they are
35:44dispersed entropically,
35:47they're now creating strife or judgment.
35:50So anytime we disperse and separate the
35:53inseparables, divide the indivisibles,
35:55label the unlabelables, polarize the
35:56unpolarizables, you know, and name the
35:59ineffables as if these are actual
36:03and create these polarities of judgment
36:06as if they're isolated from each other.
36:08Instead of synthesizing it, we create
36:11judgment and emptiness. And that
36:12emptiness
36:14is what gives rise to our hierarchy of
36:17values. And our hierarchy of values,
36:20particularly our highest value, the end
36:21in mind, the telos, as Aristotle called
36:24it, where the existential world ends and
36:26the essential self and soul emerges.
36:30That highest value is the most efficient
36:32and effective pathway, dharmic pathway
36:36to fulfill the greatest amount of voids
36:40with the greatest amount of value.
36:42Therefore giving us pluro as the gnostic
36:45said fullness
36:47where nothing's missing. We're now
36:49seeing things as they are because in
36:51actuality there's nothing missing and
36:53just in our reality of our senses which
36:55deal with contrast and incomplete
36:58awareness and biases do we have that. So
37:02it's our voids that determine our
37:03values. It's our judgment determines
37:07what our hierarchy of values actually
37:08is. And that's unique to each individual
37:11because they no two people have the same
37:13vantage point. The uncertainty principle
37:15Heisenberg says that no two can occupy
37:18the same no two quantum numbers can be
37:20exactly the same in the same spaceime.
37:22So what we do is we have individualized
37:25ourself and our experiences which give
37:27rise to our voids and our judgments that
37:30then give rise to the hierarchy of our
37:31values. And a hierarchy of values is
37:33dictating how we perceive, decide and
37:35act to make us aware of what we've
37:37overlooked. And to be able to go to an
37:39objective state where we're neutral,
37:41where we're not judging. And in the
37:44moment we're not judging and loving and
37:45seeing both sides simultaneously, the
37:47voids are dissolved and we have moment
37:49of fulfillment. And that's grace.
37:51Because when we're in this judgment
37:53state, we're trying to change ourselves
37:54to be like somebody else or trying to
37:56change others to be like us, which is
38:00dissipative and nonsustainable and
38:02futile. But the second we actually bring
38:04those into equilibrium and see the
38:06fullness, there's nothing to change. And
38:09now we have maximum simplicity as the
38:12hermetics teach. And we now have
38:15sustainable fair exchange because we're
38:17all equal. We're not seeing any
38:19difference and we have maximum utility
38:22and that's where we have the most
38:23fulfillment and we've made a difference
38:27without even doing anything but being
38:28our uniqueness.
38:33>> What would you say is the most direct
38:35inquiry one could employ in their life
38:38to discover what that is for them?
38:42>> Well, I use my value determination
38:45process. I look at what their life
38:47demonstrates
38:49to find out what is most meaningful and
38:52fulfilling and purposeful for them.
38:53>> What happens if their life is
38:55demonstrating things that really
38:57actually don't have much meaning to
38:59them?
39:00>> Actually, that's their misperception.
39:03>> Um,
39:05I'd like to address that because that's
39:07a very common thing out there. They
39:08people talk about I sabotage. I've never
39:11seen sabotage.
39:13I've seen people who don't really know
39:16what is their life is demonstrating as
39:18valuable to them who are now comparing
39:21themselves to other people putting
39:23people on pedestals trying to be second
39:24to being somebody else injecting the
39:26values of those people into their lives
39:28and thinking it should be this when
39:32their actual life is demonstrating a
39:34hierarchy of values and they're living
39:35by it but they're not honoring it.
39:37>> Can you give me an example of that?
39:39>> Yeah. Um, it hap it happens every week.
39:42People say, "Well, I really say I want
39:45to be wealthy. I want to be I want to be
39:47abundantly wealthy. I want to have, you
39:49know, more money at the end of my month
39:50and money at money month at the end of
39:52my money." But the hierarchy of their
39:55values doesn't have deferred
39:58gratification and asset accumulation to
40:02allow them to have the passive income
40:04for what they say they want. They have a
40:06higher value on buying consumables that
40:08depreciate and their life's values show
40:11that these things are more important
40:12than the deferred gratification and
40:14wealth accumulation. So then they beat
40:16themselves up and they think I keep
40:18sabotaging my finances. No matter what I
40:19do, I can't get ahead. And what they
40:22actually are saying they want,
40:26what they actually are demonstrating
40:27they want, two different things. So many
40:30people don't know themselves. That's why
40:33this is so important. They don't know
40:35themselves. They think they do. But what
40:38they've done is they've inculcated and
40:39injected the values of outer authorities
40:41that they admire into their life and
40:43clouded the clarity of their own highest
40:45value and mission. And then they're
40:47basically claiming that something's
40:49important to them when their life
40:50doesn't demonstrate it. Your life
40:52demonstrates what you value. It every
40:54decision you make, every, you know,
40:56perception, decision, action you take is
40:58based on what you value. So what you say
41:01means very little. What your life
41:03demonstrates means everything.
41:05>> So what happens when someone's life is
41:07demonstrating that they really value
41:09dopamineeric impulses? They just follow
41:12from pleasure to pleasure, compulsive
41:13thing to compulsive thing. Uh that their
41:17their behavior is de demonstrating that
41:19they value quick hits, quick dopamine
41:22hits, and yet there is a deeper sense
41:24there are deeper values that are perhaps
41:26underneath the current level of their
41:28awareness that they could discover. So,
41:31how how do you help delineate between
41:35what someone's behaviors are in this
41:37moment, which might say I value,
41:40you know, food, sex, and sleep,
41:43[laughter] and an abundance of it,
41:45versus there's actually deeper values
41:46that I I still have yet to discover.
41:50Impulsive,
41:52compulsive, immediate, gratifying,
41:55addictive behaviors are compensations
41:57for unfulfilled highest values.
42:01So what I do is I ask that even though
42:04they're doing the behavior with their
42:05amydala and they're looking for
42:07immediate gratification if I go and find
42:10out what are the benefits they're
42:12getting out of it because they wouldn't
42:13be doing it. No, no one moves a muscle
42:15without a motive. Even a pictor has said
42:17that even the terrorist believes they're
42:19doing the greatest good. [laughter]
42:21>> Yeah. Yeah. Hitler thought he was doing
42:23God's work.
42:23>> Exactly. He thought he was doing what
42:25Levotsky thought was the the puranian
42:27stock. Right. So,
42:30uh, I go in there and I help them
42:31identify what their unconscious motives
42:34are for their behavior.
42:37What they find is there's an underlying
42:40value that's really important to them,
42:42but they don't have strategies to be
42:44able to fulfill that. And the
42:46unfulfillment that's coming is making
42:48them back in their amigdula. So, I can
42:51still identify what their values are
42:53that transcend what looks like their
42:54immediate gratification. And finding
42:57that is liberating because I had I'll
43:00use an example. I had a gentleman that
43:03um a consultant that asked me to
43:05intervene on one of his clients
43:08and it was a gentleman who just sold a
43:10company just about a year earlier and
43:13generated about a $750 million net to
43:16himself.
43:17And since he's sold his company, his
43:20drinking has skyrocketed. I mean, he's
43:24basically staying drunk most the day,
43:26drinking 20some drinks at least a day
43:30and staying kind of slouchous or
43:32whatever it is throughout the day. And
43:34so no matter what this guy is trying to
43:36do in consulting with him, he can't get
43:38him to stop. He's just he's not
43:41productive.
43:43So I asked him when did he increase his
43:45drinking? He said, 'Well, since I've
43:47sold the business, I said, um, you sold
43:50the business because you burned out from
43:52talking to him, burned out on doing
43:55actions in there that were not
43:57meaningful and inspiring to you that you
43:58had once delegated and then all of a
44:01sudden the person you delegated to that
44:03was getting it done wasn't there and
44:04then you got burned out because you were
44:06now having to do something that was
44:07uninspiring. So, you decide to sell it.
44:09But what you really love to do was doing
44:12deals. He was a dealmaker and uh as long
44:15as he's doing deals, preparing for the
44:18deals, he doesn't drink. And when he's
44:20doing the deals, there's no drinking.
44:21He's doing the deal. So, what we did is
44:24we got him to the company he sold. He
44:27went back to the person that he sold the
44:28company to and said, "If I do some deals
44:31for you, because I still got
44:33connections. If I did deals for you,
44:36could I get a fair cut and make you make
44:39sure you make even more profit and help
44:41you grow the business and I have no
44:43intention of taking over and starting a
44:45competitive business or whatever. And
44:47the guy said, "I can't argue with that.
44:49Absolutely." The second he got into
44:52something that was extremely meaningful,
44:54high in his values, deeply meaningful,
44:56very inspiring,
44:58um his drinking went way down. is he
45:02might have a drink, but he didn't get
45:03sloshed because he had something he
45:05couldn't wait to get up in the morning
45:06and do. When you can't wait to get up in
45:08the morning and do something extremely
45:10inspiring and meaningful, you're not
45:12distracted by immediate gratification
45:13because you're now focusing on long-term
45:15v vision. So, if you don't fill your day
45:17with high priority actions that inspire
45:19you and that help expand the space and
45:21time horizons of your vision, you'll
45:23automatically go into the amiga for
45:26immediate gratification and shrink your
45:27space and time horizons for a quick fix.
45:30So it's an unfulfillment response. So
45:33fill your day with high priority
45:34actions. If I'm teaching, I love
45:37teaching, right? I love researching
45:38writing. If my day is filled with that,
45:40I'm pretty inspired guy. If I'm not
45:42doing that, I can find myself being
45:44easily distracted. Distractions are the
45:46impulses and instincts that the amiga
45:48assigns veency to that capture our
45:51attention that we admire or despise or
45:53look up to or down on. And so our
45:55judgments are a feedback mechanism to
45:58let us know we're not being oursel.
46:01Let me stop and really get that. That's
46:03really significant.
46:05Our judgments are symptoms of not being
46:08oursel. Because when we're actually
46:10being oursel, we're too inspired and
46:13we're focused and inspired by what we're
46:14doing and engage in doing something
46:16that's in sustainable fair exchange with
46:18other people and we transcend the
46:20judgment world.
46:22I think that's so powerful because we
46:24often fall into the habit of judging and
46:26shaming emotions we don't want to feel,
46:29signals and judgments we don't want to
46:30have in our experience. But you're
46:32inviting the perspective that there's an
46:34intelligent hidden order. There's a
46:36design that is actually very useful and
46:38necessary for you to come back into your
46:40center into what you really value. So we
46:42can perceive all of these challenging
46:45experiences of life actually with a lot
46:46of grace and and gratitude.
46:48>> They're on the way.
46:49>> Yeah.
46:49>> Not in the way. Yeah,
46:51>> I I I' I'd like to address this just
46:53popped in my head. So,
46:57I have the opportunity to speak to all
46:59different types of groups. And a lot of
47:01them are business entrepreneurs
47:03and leaders that have ambitions. And the
47:08word ambition means a condition of both
47:10sidedness. Ambi ambidextrous.
47:15If you can see both sides
47:16simultaneously, you actually expand the
47:18space and time horizons and accomplish
47:19the most because you're objective.
47:22But sometimes people with their amigdula
47:25uh create a fantasy. A fantasy is a
47:28positive without a negative. A nightmare
47:30is a negative without a positive. So our
47:32miga wants to avoid the nightmare and
47:34seek the fantasy. It wants to avoid the
47:35shame and seek the pride. So it's
47:38constantly trying to look for advantage
47:40over disadvantage, pleasure over pain.
47:42It's hedonic.
47:44So it's basically trying to set a a what
47:47it thinks is a goal that has more
47:50advantage and disadvantage, more
47:51positives, negatives, more pleasures and
47:52pains, more support than challenge. And
47:55by doing it, it creates a fantasy. Our
47:58intuition is designed to counterbalance
48:00that, to make us whole, to see things as
48:02they are, not as we're skewing. So our
48:05intuition brings up anxiety, fears,
48:09phobias, to balance the filia. It
48:11balances it with a phobia and a
48:13nightmare and anxiety and doubt and
48:15uncertainty and feelings of
48:18self-sabotage and all those things. All
48:20of those are important feedback systems
48:24to let us know that we're not pursuing a
48:26real objective. We're pursuing a
48:28fantasy.
48:30So, we think it's a weakness, but it's
48:32not. It's a it's a flawless response
48:36to guide us to set real objectives,
48:39not fantasies.
48:41Now the ratios of goals can skew all the
48:44way from a fantasy which is all positive
48:46no negative fantasy illusion mania to an
48:51objective which is a perfect balance of
48:53positive negative and there's a whole
48:55spectrum in between. The more fantasy it
48:58is the more our nightmares come to wake
49:00us up.
49:02If it's up here, you get a little bit
49:04less anxiety. But once you get to the
49:06very top,
49:08there's at the very top there's no
49:10anxiety because what strategic planning
49:13in the executive center in the brain is
49:14for to mitigate the anxieties and to
49:19calm and dampen the fantasies. The
49:22executive center uses glutamate and
49:24GABA, the facilitator inhibitory
49:27transmitter to neutralize whatever is
49:29stimulated and inhibited in our fantasy.
49:32So it's trying to calm it down. Our
49:34intuition
49:36is counterbalancing our gut impulse to
49:39seek and our gut instinct to avoid. So
49:42our intuition is a negative feedback.
49:44Those are positive feedbacks that
49:46dramatize and polarize. The intuition is
49:49a negative feedback to neutralize and
49:51bring things back into objectivity where
49:52you see both sides. Imagine being in a
49:55relationship with somebody and you
49:57expected them to be positive, never
49:58negative, happy, never sad, you know,
50:01one-sided. They're never going to live
50:03up to that. But when you expect them to
50:05be a two-sided individual and to live
50:08according to their own highest values,
50:10you have a realistic expectation and can
50:12have a fulfilling relationship. But if
50:14not, you have a fantasy about who
50:15they're going to be. They're going to be
50:16more positive, negative, and they're
50:17going to live in your values, not their
50:19own. And these are distortions.
50:21The same thing with goals. Just like in
50:23relationships, we set goals that are not
50:26really goals and objectives. They're
50:28fantasies. And then we have anxieties.
50:31Anxieties and fears and phobias are not
50:34our enemy. I may people say, "You need
50:36to get rid of that." No, they're there
50:39very precisely and deconstructed there
50:42to make sure that you're not going after
50:44delusions and fantasies to set real
50:47objectives. The executive center is
50:49designed to strategically plan to
50:51transform fantasies into objectives to
50:54maximize the potential and actualization
50:57of our potential so we can achieve. And
51:00that's what ambition really is. The
51:02ability to see both sides and have both
51:03sides in the pursuit. When you are able
51:06to embrace the pl the pain and the
51:08pleasure equally in the pursuit of some
51:09purpose, you're not in your passions,
51:11you're in your mission. You're not in
51:14your sufferings, you're in your
51:16servings. And that's what liberates
51:18people from a lot of the frustrations in
51:21the so-called achievement world.
51:26>> It it makes me think how when someone
51:28has a meaningful mission they've
51:29declared in their life, how it changes
51:31what they notice on the way and what uh
51:33their the bandwidth for what they they
51:36can they can take along the way.
51:38>> Well, when they're when they're in their
51:39amigdala, things are more black and
51:42white. when they're in executive s
51:44things are more gray.
51:46It's neither positive negative here.
51:48It's either positive negative here.
51:50>> You've mentioned the amygdala and how
51:53often we are living our life through the
51:55perception of it. Uh many times
51:57throughout this conversation, what what
52:00do you feel like the path of evolution
52:01is as a human being? cuz I I I see the
52:04sort of limbic lizard brain way of
52:06operating through duality and gain and
52:08loss and this like kind of old paradigm
52:10that um we're here to live through and
52:14then like where are we going to as
52:16what's possible within human
52:17consciousness? I'm curious what your
52:18thoughts are.
52:19>> Well, this this leads to uh an
52:22interesting slippery slope.
52:26A lot of people like to promote an opium
52:30of the future, which I try to debunk a
52:33coniclastic. I'm an iconic class in that
52:36respect because whatever you know,
52:39there's always the next mystery
52:41>> and with that next mystery, you're going
52:42to use that part of the brain again.
52:45So, we're we're not going to get to a
52:48point where we're done. I think that's I
52:51mean if you take the planet and you take
52:54this little earth and one astronomical
52:57unit away is is the sun that's about 93
53:01million miles. So from the sun the earth
53:04is almost in disccernible and on the
53:07earth it's spinning at about 800 to
53:081,000 miles an hour you know at the
53:10equator and on there is a guy meditating
53:13there and he's and he says I I am I
53:16enlightened I am enlightened. I am
53:17enlightened. I'm enlightened. I'm all
53:20aware.
53:21But to the sun, which is this vast sun
53:23compared to this dot,
53:26um it's almost unicernable.
53:30Now, if we go from the sun 26 to 28,000
53:33light years away,
53:36186 miles a second, 864,000 seconds a
53:40day, times 365
53:43times 26,000.
53:46If we go to the center of the Milky Way
53:47and we sit in the the throat of the
53:51Sagittary A black hole and we're looking
53:54out from that and we're following
53:57Hawking radiation to kind of look at the
53:59Earth if we can imagine it. Uh we can't
54:02see the sun. There's too much dust and
54:05clouds. We can't see the Earth. So the
54:08guy that's going around and says I'm I'm
54:10enlightened. I'm enlightened. I'm
54:11enlightened. that has a relative
54:13awareness based on dogma that it's been
54:16taught and observations and the
54:20paradigms and dialectics and teachings
54:22that they've accumulated through a
54:24finite period of time of 72 to give or
54:26take years.
54:29Um it's a it's a relative endarkment.
54:33Now we have a local group of of galaxies
54:36and then we have the Virgo cluster. Then
54:39we have the Lona supercluster and the
54:41great attractor and that's part of a
54:43filament of a bigger web in the cosmic
54:46web of immensity and that's simply the
54:50observable universe and we don't even
54:53know what's beyond the observable
54:54universe. We speculate.
54:57So whatever we know [laughter]
55:00and put it in perspective is as Socrates
55:04said it's an infantessimal.
55:07So we tend to think and we try to create
55:09esquetologies
55:11uh at the end of the earth at the end of
55:13our life at the end of times that are uh
55:18anxiety reducing esquetologies for our
55:22phobia of death and our extinction and
55:25our insignificance. So, we create things
55:27that compensate for those
55:28insignificances by creating, you know,
55:31we're going to be enlightened and we're
55:33going to be all aware and or we're going
55:34to go to this eternal salvation or
55:37something in order to compensate for our
55:40anxiety. But our anxiety is basically a
55:43compensation for all the fantasies we're
55:45still holding on to
55:48because we're still living in fear with
55:50our miglets. Our miga is the source of
55:52our mortal fears and all of our
55:54moralities and all of our judgments and
55:57esquetologies.
55:59If all of a sudden we actually had a
56:01glimpse of
56:04a bigger picture, we realize that that's
56:07kind of trivial, [laughter]
56:09a trivial pursuit.
56:12So where is it all going?
56:15Uh this is a very interesting video I
56:18watched recently about uh on the
56:22pertinence or impertinence of existence.
56:25It's a very challenging question because
56:27it's creates anxiety for for most
56:30people.
56:32>> Uh the question of like why anything
56:34exists at all or
56:35>> not so much that is is what is our
56:37significance? [laughter]
56:39>> Yeah. [snorts] Let's take the most
56:41advanced u human being that we know of
56:44that's been living and made a
56:46difference. They might leave a mark for
56:483 or 4 thousand years. We might have a
56:50text of Shabbaka that may go 10,000
56:52years, but then it starts to fade
56:55[laughter]
56:56and all the people that were there just
57:00and so we have anxiety about that
57:03extinction of being. So we create these
57:06esquetologies to make us feel like we're
57:08going to do something that's immortal
57:09and great. And I'm I'm a believer that
57:12that's sort of a necessary aspect of our
57:14existence because it feels futile
57:15otherwise. But at the same time, if we
57:18stop and really look at that a billion
57:20years from now, Dr. John D. Martini is
57:24it was not probably even known about.
57:27I'm probably back to dust. cosmic dust.
57:30Now, because of information theory and
57:33and um there's a conservation of
57:35information, whatever information that
57:38may have been accumulated in the
57:40experience of the earth that may be
57:42eventually in the cycles of the red
57:44giant phase of the of the solar system
57:46and eventually be engulfed and and maybe
57:49eventually merge with another solar
57:51system and eventually go into a white
57:52dwarf and a black hole. That information
57:55may be then skewed back out into another
57:57solar system and continue to go on and
57:59we may have significance that can
58:01perpetuates as an immortal expression of
58:03what contribution we made in our
58:05evolution.
58:06I can't deny it or confirm it, but um
58:10I'd rather believe that because it gives
58:13me some sort of meaning and some sort of
58:15purpose than it would be to know that it
58:18was just poofed.
58:19>> Yeah. I always simultaneously whenever I
58:22zoom out to the degree in which you just
58:24did and you have this cosmological
58:26perspective of the sheer insignificance
58:29of us on [snorts] on that scale. I both
58:32have complete awe and wonder as to how
58:35magical and how much there is unknown
58:37and yet to be discovered. And then also
58:39like I'm I'm curious your thoughts about
58:40slipping into into nihilism where like
58:42none of this really even matters, you
58:44know?
58:45>> Well, this is the thing. uh if we go
58:47down into the subatomics and go towards
58:50planks uh dimension 1* 10 33rd
58:54centimeters or something we go down
58:55there we seem very significant
58:59so we're now vast beings compared to
59:03this thing and so we have massive
59:05significance relatively speaking
59:08relativity if we go to
59:12[laughter]
59:13the vastness of the observable and
59:15beyond ond uh we becomes now an
59:18infantessimal.
59:20So we both have significance and
59:22insignificance. The question is can we
59:24wrap our head around that and become
59:27conscious of both of them at the same
59:29time? Otherwise we have a conscious self
59:32that we exaggerate and again we're
59:35puffing ourselves up in pride and
59:37pertinence and or we do the other and
59:39insignificant. And I think that we're
59:42here to integrate the two and to honor
59:45both because it keeps us in check and it
59:47keeps us growing.
59:50It's interesting to see the overlay and
59:52how you probably would say they're one
59:53and the same when you look at the
59:54cosmological perspective and also the
59:56human developmental process like the the
1:00:00journey of finding back and and and
1:00:01returning back into balance from both
1:00:03polarities.
1:00:03>> We can't prove that that giant cosmos is
1:00:06not
1:00:07starting over. We don't know. We don't
1:00:09know if that's a reiteration or not.
1:00:12It's an interesting plausible
1:00:14possibility.
1:00:15>> Yeah,
1:00:15>> we might be. You know, in Men in Black,
1:00:18you know, there's a there's a cat with a
1:00:20little thing and it's who knows.
1:00:22[laughter]
1:00:24I don't want to say that I know that
1:00:25answer. I don't know that answer.
1:00:27>> I'm curious to hear what your
1:00:28speculation on when you mentioned Bow's
1:00:31implicate order earlier in the the
1:00:32conversation. And you look at the
1:00:34Buddhist philosophy of interest net and
1:00:36how we are connected at levels we are
1:00:38possibly be only beginning to be able to
1:00:40comprehend and uh we are fed this
1:00:44materialist reductionistic notion of how
1:00:46the world works mechanistically and uh
1:00:50the way that you're describing life and
1:00:53the intelligence of life operating
1:00:55within this deeper hidden order uh feels
1:00:58feels very exciting but also in like a
1:01:02it feels like a new paradigm that is
1:01:04going to be continued to be fortified
1:01:06with scientific rigor over the next
1:01:08decade and century. So, I'm just
1:01:10curious, what do you is there anything
1:01:12that you're speculating on in terms of
1:01:14like how this all is working that you
1:01:17haven't really spoken to much before?
1:01:22Okay. It's a kind of a big question.
1:01:24>> No, I I love that question. Um, I do
1:01:29think about interesting questions
1:01:30sometimes since I was a kid.
1:01:32When Sputnik I was watching a movie the
1:01:35other day, October the sky. I don't know
1:01:38if you've seen this,
1:01:40but a young boy looks up into the sky
1:01:43with his father when he was very young
1:01:46and he sees Sputnik go across. Sputnik
1:01:48had just been launched. This is 1957.
1:01:52And in 1957, I looked out from the
1:01:55backyard and I saw Sputnik go across the
1:01:57sky.
1:01:58And I thought, I want to understand
1:02:01that. So, I started at 4 um going out at
1:02:05night, sneaking out at night, going
1:02:06through my window with a Corsica coffee
1:02:09cake can and a piece of paper and some
1:02:12pencil and I would draw the outline of
1:02:16the moon and I watched the asterisms of
1:02:18the moon each night and I tried to time
1:02:20it where I would go out in weird hours
1:02:22just to get to capture the asterisms of
1:02:24the moon and to see the star backgrounds
1:02:26behind it and map these things. My whole
1:02:27room was covered in these maps. When I
1:02:29was four, my parents used to just look
1:02:31out the window and think, okay, they
1:02:34didn't stop me. They were curious, but I
1:02:36was interested in astronomy. I've been
1:02:39it's one of my areas that I've written a
1:02:40lot about and cosmology and physics and
1:02:43astrophysics and stuff. So, I've been
1:02:45fascinated by that.
1:02:48Um, but I now
1:02:51speculate, and I can only say speculate,
1:02:55that
1:02:56we live in an potentially infinite
1:02:59universe
1:03:01with an infinite number of complimentary
1:03:05opposites
1:03:08at all scales of being in existence
1:03:12for eternity.
1:03:15So in in instead of having the divine
1:03:18plan go from dark to light or from
1:03:22negative to positive or you know these
1:03:26amygdala driven constructs that are
1:03:29anthropomorphic and geocentric and very
1:03:32limited.
1:03:34What would happen if that every moment
1:03:36we perceive
1:03:38no matter what it is because I in my
1:03:40breakthrough experience program as I
1:03:42take people through it I take whatever
1:03:44perception it is it doesn't matter what
1:03:46their perception is I show them where
1:03:47the synthesis and synchronous of
1:03:49opposites and I bring them to a tier of
1:03:51gratitude for it and when I they do that
1:03:54they realize that no matter what they're
1:03:56perceiving no matter what time or space
1:03:59there's the divine order there there's
1:04:01the tier of gratitude if you ask the
1:04:04right questions and become aware of it.
1:04:06So I speculate that there's an infinite
1:04:11number of those potential perceptions
1:04:16in this participatory universe that we
1:04:18are participating in as part of a
1:04:20reflective conscious being at all scales
1:04:24from the subatomic plank where our
1:04:26mathematics begins to break down to the
1:04:28astronomic.
1:04:30And as we are expanding our awareness
1:04:32and becoming you know solarized and
1:04:35galacticized and continue
1:04:38uh supergalacticized and go
1:04:43that whatever we perceive the equal and
1:04:45opposite was going to be will in our
1:04:48perception and will give us an
1:04:50experience of seeing the hidden order at
1:04:52that scale at all scales it's available
1:04:57for eternity
1:04:59and to me that would be the most
1:05:01everpresent loving
1:05:03view.
1:05:06Not an idea that we're now going to go
1:05:07to some imperion um at the edge of our
1:05:11solar system and then sit there and
1:05:14praise some insecure deity or something.
1:05:18I'd rather see that the entire thing is
1:05:21a is a conscious state. It's a pen
1:05:24pychism in that respect at all scales of
1:05:27existence. And we have the capacity and
1:05:30it is constantly giving us the
1:05:33opportunity to discover the magnificent
1:05:36hidden order and the divine presence and
1:05:39love if you want to call it that in that
1:05:41moment at any scale no matter what the
1:05:44scale of pair of opposites. In other
1:05:46words, as the black hole is taking in
1:05:49stars, it's simultaneously birthing new
1:05:52stars. The pairs of opposites are there.
1:05:55As the particle and antiparticles are
1:05:57annihilating, they're simultaneously
1:05:59generating at the pl at the planks level
1:06:02at the quantum vacuum. So whether it's
1:06:05small or large as below or above,
1:06:07whatever it is, there's nothing but a
1:06:10synchronicity and synthesis of compary
1:06:12opposites and experience of love at all
1:06:14scales if we know how to ask the right
1:06:16question and become present with both
1:06:17simultaneously.
1:06:19And I think that we live in a universe
1:06:21that is going to give us the opportunity
1:06:23to continue to explore that with every
1:06:27vehicle we have, telescope, astronomical
1:06:30uh or microscope, whatever it is. And no
1:06:32matter where we go, no matter what size
1:06:34or magnitude or any location or any
1:06:37other thing, anything in the existential
1:06:38world is going to lead us back to the
1:06:40essential self.
1:06:43And so I think that's what the universe
1:06:44is really. It's as Plato says for the
1:06:47sake of love and we're and our own
1:06:51conscious awareness and intentions are
1:06:53all remodeling it. So we're constantly
1:06:54remodeling. It's never the same. We're
1:06:56we're all involved in a remodeling
1:06:58system.
1:07:00>> Do you think that essential self is
1:07:02something that we all share like that
1:07:04being is shared? Do you think that?
1:07:08>> Although I I found this quote in a text
1:07:11about Schopenhau. I was never able to
1:07:12find it in any of his texts but somebody
1:07:14quoted it so I don't know if it's a true
1:07:16quote or not. We become our true self to
1:07:19the degree that we make everything else
1:07:21ourself.
1:07:23So anything that separates self and
1:07:25other which is a distinction the
1:07:28primordial boundary from the Adam kman
1:07:31of the cobalistic tree into the Adam and
1:07:34Eve which differentiates a duality of
1:07:36some form any form of duality that
1:07:39separation in self and other the
1:07:41existential beginning as pedically
1:07:43described uh that would actually be in a
1:07:47sense um a pure reflectible universe
1:07:53My girlfriend Donna um is working on a
1:07:56book called The Reflective Universe.
1:07:58It's very possible that everything that
1:08:00is ever observed is a reflection of us
1:08:03and we we really don't know the
1:08:05boundaries of who we are. [laughter]
1:08:08>> It really resonates through the Vic lens
1:08:11of the two or the one becoming two for
1:08:14the joy of becoming one again. Like the
1:08:16>> that's the cosmogonic cycle.
1:08:18>> Mhm. the the essence going into
1:08:20existence and the existence returning to
1:08:22the essence and in a in a cosmogonic
1:08:24cycle a self-regenerating system.
1:08:28>> It feels like also from the cosmological
1:08:30scale from the big bane and the
1:08:31expansion to then the contraction to
1:08:34also like the you could zoom out of the
1:08:36biological level and the same thing the
1:08:38contraction and expansion that is
1:08:40happening pervasively throughout the
1:08:41universe. If that is an accurate
1:08:44assessment,
1:08:45>> do you think that is?
1:08:46>> In my textbook, I wrote, let's see now,
1:08:4993, I think, reputations of the Big Bang
1:08:52Theory that I've been accumulating for
1:08:55many, many years. So, I I don't think
1:08:57there's too many ad hoc components to
1:08:59that
1:09:00>> to say that that's the conclusion that
1:09:03we have today. And many cosmologists are
1:09:05questioning that and tackling that and
1:09:07challenging that. Um, but that's the
1:09:10model we have today, just like that's
1:09:12the model we have in religions. And
1:09:14religions, uh, Sam Harris did a nice
1:09:16thing as as the atheist. He said, he
1:09:18said, "The difference between a theist
1:09:20and an atheist is one God."
1:09:23You know, the the the the Christian
1:09:25doesn't believe in 900 gods that have
1:09:26once live lived and that he's an atheist
1:09:29to them. And Sam said, "I'm I'm closer
1:09:31to you than I am different. I just don't
1:09:33believe in that one, too."
1:09:35>> The the anthropomorphic god that
1:09:36Zenaphane's warned against. and and the
1:09:39warned against are concoctions of the
1:09:42amigdala to avoid the phobias and to
1:09:45create defilas to survive as a mortal
1:09:48being. And uh there's a there's a much
1:09:50more transcendent state and in theology
1:09:52and in cosmology. And this cosmology we
1:09:56have here is is got it's got weakness.
1:09:59Let's put it that way.
1:10:00>> I could I could do a whole thing on that
1:10:02one.
1:10:03It's I love speaking to you not just
1:10:06because of what you're saying but the
1:10:08excitement in which what you're saying
1:10:09is coming from. I can tell the sincere
1:10:11passion and desire to understand reality
1:10:14to the degree we can and uh
1:10:18how you're speaking to instead of moving
1:10:20through life through this top down
1:10:21processing like moving through each
1:10:23mystery one after the other through the
1:10:26bottom up processing of you know
1:10:27experience seeing what's alive for you
1:10:29in in each moment. um is uh it's such a
1:10:32more beautiful fruitful way to live life
1:10:34that I feel like we all get to we all
1:10:38can embody more of. And for somebody
1:10:40that's discovered your highest priority
1:10:42values and live life in according to
1:10:44that which is most meaningful and yet
1:10:47you still have all of these other very
1:10:49interesting passions and ex explorations
1:10:52that maybe isn't your highest priority
1:10:54value of what teaching and writing. Um,
1:10:59I'm curious how you think about the the
1:11:02different aspects of self that we like
1:11:04we feel most ignited by. For example,
1:11:06music is something that is not my
1:11:08highest priority value in life, but it's
1:11:09something that I'm ignited by and I love
1:11:11studying and is will probably be a
1:11:12lifelong journey. Um, I'm curious like
1:11:15how do you think of these different
1:11:16buckets in your life, all these
1:11:17different passions and interests and
1:11:19curiosities and how you prioritize what
1:11:21you spend your time doing?
1:11:25when I was 17 and I met Paul Bragg and
1:11:30his presentation inspired me to believe
1:11:32that maybe someday I could become
1:11:34intelligent and overcome my learning
1:11:36challenges.
1:11:38He mentioned universal loss
1:11:41and I didn't know what they meant really
1:11:43but they sounded cool.
1:11:47And so when I left Hawaii and I returned
1:11:49to Texas and began my pursuit of trying
1:11:52to overcome my learning challenges,
1:11:54speaking problems and comprehension and
1:11:57things, I um was watching a particular
1:12:02show with David Keredine called Kung Fu
1:12:07and he talked about his Shaolin master
1:12:10and I I love the word master. Just
1:12:13sounded cool. Universal law master. They
1:12:16somehow resonated with me.
1:12:19So I set out at age 18, I wanted to
1:12:21master my life. I didn't know what that
1:12:23meant, but it sounded cool. So I divided
1:12:27life into seven areas. Spiritual,
1:12:30mental, vocational, financial, family,
1:12:32social, and physical. And I made a
1:12:34commitment to uh learn everything I can
1:12:37about those topics and become masterful
1:12:41in those. I want to create original
1:12:43ideas that serve human beings across the
1:12:44planet.
1:12:46Mentally, I want to create a global
1:12:48business. My teaching was in every
1:12:49country around the world. I want to
1:12:51become financially independent. I wanted
1:12:54to have a global family. As you know, I
1:12:56live on a ship called the world that
1:12:58goes around the world. That was because
1:12:59I had that dream. I want to have social
1:13:03influence, meet amazing people, and have
1:13:05influence and learn from great minds. I
1:13:08also want to have a vital body, an
1:13:10energized body. I'm 71 in a couple
1:13:12months, and I'm still going. And I
1:13:15wanted to create not a new religion. I
1:13:18had no interest in that. I was
1:13:20interested in a movement that would
1:13:23inspire people regardless of their
1:13:24backgrounds. They could be any faith of
1:13:27any form.
1:13:29And that was my dream to do that. I also
1:13:32had a desire to understand the laws of
1:13:35the universe.
1:13:37And so I came back, got a dictionary
1:13:40out, got a encyclopedia out. What is the
1:13:43law of the universe? what does universal
1:13:45law mean?
1:13:46And it led me to natural laws. And there
1:13:49was a distinction between natural laws
1:13:51of the observable universe and universal
1:13:53laws that are even broader.
1:13:56And that led me to a pursuit called the
1:13:58logos.
1:14:00And the logos goes back to Heracitis.
1:14:04and he considered that there was an
1:14:06order and pattern and a a plan to the
1:14:10universe like the Stoics and the Greeks
1:14:12sometimes did.
1:14:15And I want to know what this logos was.
1:14:18In fact, I'm writing a text on the logos
1:14:20right now. And um devouring everything I
1:14:23can from every angle I can on that topic
1:14:25and hit it.
1:14:28And that logos gave rise to theologies.
1:14:33So I made a list of every knownology
1:14:36that somebody could study, every
1:14:38discipline or ology you could study in
1:14:41every field. And then I realized that
1:14:43the ologies were all wavelength based.
1:14:47So you have the subatomic particles,
1:14:50particle physics, they're small
1:14:52wavelengths. You got the astronomic that
1:14:54are large wavelengths.
1:14:56You've got myology, muscles, and
1:14:58physiology and psychology. Each of these
1:15:01are wavelengths
1:15:03of structures that you're exploring
1:15:06that you're now finding those same laws
1:15:08apply to.
1:15:10So I thought that all the ologies are
1:15:13dispersements from the one to the many
1:15:16of the logos the plan. And so I made a
1:15:20commitment to myself that I would read
1:15:23at least a hundred books on everyology
1:15:26which is why I've got 31,000 books now
1:15:28in my head.
1:15:29So
1:15:31I wanted to do that because I I wanted
1:15:33to have a body of knowledge that would
1:15:34stand the test of time and if I studied
1:15:37all the different disciplines and I
1:15:39found common themes and common
1:15:41principles that were universal
1:15:44um it would increase the probability
1:15:46that the material I'm presenting is
1:15:48something as solid and will it will
1:15:49stand.
1:15:51So I just started going from the
1:15:53smallest to the largest
1:15:56and starting with the principles of
1:15:57quantum mechanics when I was 18 by Paul
1:15:59Drack studying particle and
1:16:00antiparticles and studying uh Max
1:16:03Planck's work on all of his planks um
1:16:07you know principles and all of his units
1:16:10plank units and trying to figure out how
1:16:13he did that with five universal
1:16:14constants and how he put this whole
1:16:16structure together which was absolutely
1:16:18ingenious and I started to do whatever I
1:16:20could to find that what is the most
1:16:22common universal laws the law of
1:16:24complimentary opposites
1:16:26the law of the one to many the law of
1:16:29conservation
1:16:31nether's theorem of symmetries and I
1:16:34started to accumulate ones that I felt
1:16:37at all scales of existence there they
1:16:39were
1:16:41even if they're talking about strong
1:16:42nuclear force
1:16:44the proton or the neutron with a strong
1:16:46nuclear force and the mison and the
1:16:49quantum vacuum fluctuations and all that
1:16:51still apply at the universe scale. So I
1:16:54basically tried to find that and
1:16:55identify those and then apply that to
1:16:57human behavior and the evolution human
1:16:59consciousness. So that's been my thing.
1:17:01So there's no discipline that's not part
1:17:04of my mission. There's no discipline
1:17:06other than possibly cooking [laughter]
1:17:09and driving. I don't drive or cook.
1:17:12And so those those but if if if
1:17:15>> if I could probably easily show the
1:17:17dynamics sitting in the way cars are
1:17:19designed and the engineering of that to
1:17:21the same laws
1:17:22>> but I just haven't had an interest in
1:17:23those for some reason
1:17:24>> but pretty well all the other
1:17:26disciplines
1:17:27uh 300 different disciplines and ologies
1:17:30that I've explored and tried to devour
1:17:32>> for one objective the evolution of human
1:17:35consciousness and what are the most
1:17:38fundamental principles that I can rely
1:17:39on to to teach. So I if I'm teaching my
1:17:42teachings will not be a fad, not be a
1:17:44trend. It'll be a classic.
1:17:47>> Very inspiring. I'm inspired by that. I
1:17:50think it's uh
1:17:51>> well we probably have a resonant
1:17:53>> Yeah.
1:17:53>> both I mean know thyself and that's what
1:17:56it's about.
1:17:57>> Yeah.
1:17:57>> And you know I think
1:18:00I think that true science and true
1:18:03religion don't fight.
1:18:06>> I don't believe that those are fighting.
1:18:07I don't know why they would ever fight.
1:18:10And I'm not talking about faith-based
1:18:13religion because of course there'd be
1:18:15discrepancies
1:18:17because those are things you can never
1:18:18have certainty about. But I believe that
1:18:20we can pursue these universal laws and
1:18:23continue to expand our awareness and
1:18:24certainty and they can be very
1:18:27spiritually awakening.
1:18:30Many people like to separate materialism
1:18:32and spiritualism. I see them as
1:18:34inseparable
1:18:37because a state of equinimity which is
1:18:39our authentic self is also the thing
1:18:42that maximizes sustainable fair exchange
1:18:45in the material world for economics.
1:18:48It's also the same principle that builds
1:18:51engineering structures that are stable.
1:18:53So no matter what area we go that
1:18:55there's no separation in there. So I
1:18:57don't believe you have to create a
1:19:00pseudo anthropomorphic
1:19:03geocentric
1:19:05theology
1:19:07except as a stage of awareness only. I
1:19:11think you can go all the way to the most
1:19:13advanced mathematics and come to a
1:19:14realization of the divine.
1:19:18But the divine means to emanate light.
1:19:22And I think the thing that unites
1:19:24spiritual and material and science and
1:19:27religion is purely light. The study of
1:19:28optics. I think Newton was on to it. I
1:19:31think Newton was trying to study optics
1:19:34for a number of reasons because he was a
1:19:36devout spiritual student but he was also
1:19:39a scientist of the highest caliber. His
1:19:42Principia and his work on optics is
1:19:45masterpieces. And then Maxwell in his
1:19:48work on you know the ford of
1:19:50differential equations of the calculus
1:19:53for light is a masterpiece. I was flying
1:19:56from San Francisco to France and I just
1:20:00happened to be sitting in the business
1:20:02where there were three seats in the
1:20:03middle and two seats on the ends and I
1:20:05was sitting there and right next to me
1:20:06was Carl and Stephanie Brown and they're
1:20:10on their way to Geneva and they're
1:20:12particle physicist. One's a theoretical,
1:20:15one's a practical particle physicist,
1:20:17married, you know, one's really
1:20:19grounded, one's esoteric, and I'm
1:20:21sitting next to Carl and we had a
1:20:23phenomenal conversation and it's about a
1:20:269 and a half hour flight or something
1:20:27like that. I thought I was going to
1:20:29sleep cuz I was going to speak when I
1:20:30landed. So, I was going to shower and
1:20:32get on to speak, but there's no way I'm
1:20:34gonna stop if I got a particle physicist
1:20:37guy here. And so, we just went down the
1:20:39rabbit hole. We went down and just
1:20:41explored it. He was really cool guy and
1:20:44he's passed now. But so we explored
1:20:48those mysteries at the very depth of the
1:20:52particle physics world. And um to me,
1:20:57my love of exploration and and and
1:21:00study, every time I find another piece
1:21:03of the jigsaw puzzle that fits in,
1:21:05either through linguistics, I learn a
1:21:07new word allows it to go in or just a
1:21:10construct allows it to fit. I'm brought
1:21:12to tears
1:21:15a gamma synchronicity, a eureka moment.
1:21:18And the moment I do that, it's almost
1:21:20like I'm fulfilling my mission now. And
1:21:23I can't wait to share that with
1:21:25somebody. And that's those are the two
1:21:27that's the those are the pinnacles of my
1:21:30being right there. Now, if you go and
1:21:33ask people in every country, and I've
1:21:35gotten to speak in 161 countries, I've
1:21:36met cultures of all different types. If
1:21:39you ask them,
1:21:41how many of you had a moment where
1:21:43you've been brought to tears of
1:21:44inspiration and gratitude that you know
1:21:48that you know that you know that that is
1:21:51deeply meaningful? pay attention to it
1:21:53and it's something about your path and
1:21:56your authenticity. Everybody knows that.
1:21:59They just know it inside.
1:22:01So I love maximizing those that my when
1:22:05I did developed the D Martini method and
1:22:08I developed some of the questions.
1:22:10There's two of the questions are
1:22:12designed specifically to maximize how to
1:22:15access and increase the frequency
1:22:17intensity and duration of that because
1:22:20that is one of the greatest guides that
1:22:22we have that is transcendent to the
1:22:25subordination or superordination of
1:22:27other people that can distract us and
1:22:30allows us to guide ourselves to a great
1:22:32magnificent path of exploring the
1:22:35universe which we have innately within
1:22:36us. No matter what our background is,
1:22:39there's a part of us that's wanting to
1:22:40explore the universe because it's us. We
1:22:43want to know ourself. We want to know
1:22:44thyself.
1:22:46So that's probably the most meaningful
1:22:49and inspiring things that I get to do on
1:22:51a daily basis.
1:22:53>> I think by living in alignment with that
1:22:55which brings you most joy, you also
1:22:57become a reference point and an
1:22:58inspiration for other people to discover
1:23:00that within themselves. The person who
1:23:03quoted this is escaping my mind, but to
1:23:06not ask what the world needs, but ask
1:23:08what makes you come most alive because
1:23:10what the world needs is people who come
1:23:11most alive. And discovering those the
1:23:15hierarchy of values, the things that
1:23:16bring you most excitement in life, uh is
1:23:19just uh is an empowerful reminder and
1:23:22refinement too of
1:23:24it's we're living it to like in my own
1:23:26life to a relative degree in alignment
1:23:28with those values and the things that
1:23:30are most meaningful to me. And uh I'm
1:23:32just curious to to cuz you mentioned it
1:23:34briefly in the practical sense. How do
1:23:37you actually delegate all that is not as
1:23:39meaningful to you in life? Like how how
1:23:41have you set up your life in a way so
1:23:42you can
1:23:43>> Yeah. [laughter]
1:23:45>> I learned [clears throat]
1:23:47I was 23 years old. I was entering into
1:23:49professional school and I asked myself a
1:23:52question. Uh why do some people walk
1:23:54their talk? Some people limp their life.
1:23:56Why do some people do what they say and
1:23:58others don't? as McGregor did in 1960 at
1:24:01MIT. Why does some people have
1:24:04spontaneous action and some people need
1:24:06to be extrinsically motivated with
1:24:08reward and punishment? I want to know
1:24:10the answer to that.
1:24:13It led me to a very obvious study called
1:24:16axiology, which is a study of value and
1:24:18worth because that's what drives human
1:24:21beings.
1:24:23And I realized that led me to David
1:24:25Hume's work, which I mentioned earlier.
1:24:28And David Hume, a Scottish philosopher,
1:24:30said that there's is versus ought.
1:24:34I found that those are exactly
1:24:36the distinctions between intrinsic drive
1:24:38and exttrinsic drive.
1:24:41If you know what the hierarchy of values
1:24:44actually are, the is
1:24:47not what they ought to be, the
1:24:50conformity of society's deontological
1:24:52normative ethics.
1:24:54You access your greatest potential.
1:24:59You can actualize your potential.
1:25:03Ernest Becker who wrote the denial of
1:25:05death a pulit surprise winner he
1:25:08beautifully stated that people are
1:25:10confronted by their mortality
1:25:13and the anxiety
1:25:15of the escological mystery
1:25:18and so they create two mechanisms
1:25:21[clears throat] to survive it. a path of
1:25:23individual heroism,
1:25:25a path of immortality for the
1:25:27individual, or a path of immortality
1:25:30through the collective conformity.
1:25:33These go into oblivion and leave no
1:25:36mark.
1:25:38These leave a mark, but they're
1:25:41radically opposed and offended. And you
1:25:46know, as Young says, we live in a world
1:25:48that we want to be ourselves in a world
1:25:50that doesn't want us to be.
1:25:52And we want to make a difference, but we
1:25:53can't make a difference conforming. We
1:25:55can only make a difference following an
1:25:57individual path.
1:26:00So all of the studies on axiology, there
1:26:03were 12 textbooks in English available
1:26:05at the time, only 12 that I had access
1:26:08to, none of them satisfied me because
1:26:11it's all about how you ought to be and
1:26:14how people should be and how to fit into
1:26:16society. is all designed for theological
1:26:19and social political governance of
1:26:23societies to work in in a system that
1:26:26are easily controlled.
1:26:30There's an individual path, the unbared
1:26:32visionary, as Ian Rand said.
1:26:35I was interested in that.
1:26:38The trailblazer, the one with the
1:26:40machete walking through the thing and
1:26:41not following a path, but creating a
1:26:43path.
1:26:45the one that had the dharmic path, not
1:26:47the karmic wheel.
1:26:50So
1:26:52when I did that, I realized I'm going to
1:26:54have to create my own value
1:26:56determination process to discover what
1:26:59it actually is, not what it people think
1:27:03it should be because all of it, Schwarz
1:27:05and Hartman and all the people that were
1:27:06doing axiology at the time were asking
1:27:10questions. If you're in this setting,
1:27:11how would you respond?
1:27:13knowing full well that they would
1:27:15respond in order to not be rejected. So
1:27:17you can't go by what they say. You got
1:27:19to go by what their life demonstrates.
1:27:22So I set up a criteria to do value
1:27:24determination which is on my website to
1:27:27get a closer to an objective what is not
1:27:31what it ought to be to be able to then
1:27:34find out what is intrinsically driving
1:27:36them. Because when you actually find
1:27:38that out and prioritize your life
1:27:40according to that, you don't have the
1:27:43internal conflicts, you don't have the
1:27:45fantasies as much, you don't have the
1:27:48self-sabotaging personal development
1:27:50stuff. You just walk your path.
1:27:55So,
1:27:57how do I do it and delegate? I learned
1:27:59from a book by Alec McKenzie in 1982,
1:28:04October 1982,
1:28:07reading the time trap.
1:28:09And in there, he basically gave all the
1:28:12criteria why people don't delegate.
1:28:15Um, I can do it better than them. By the
1:28:17time I do it, I could have I give it to
1:28:19him. I could have just done it. By the
1:28:20time I explain it to them, well, they're
1:28:21going to do it differently anyway. All
1:28:24the different reasons for doing it. But
1:28:25I realize that you will trap your life
1:28:27if you're not delegating. You can't
1:28:30self-actualize your life very easily
1:28:32without delegation.
1:28:34Unless you completely simplify your life
1:28:36and do like the cynic diioynesies that
1:28:38live in a a barrel with a dog and have
1:28:41nothing, no attachment or a Gandhi
1:28:43approach.
1:28:45So I basically learned at age 27 the
1:28:49importance of prioritization because if
1:28:51you don't fill your day with high
1:28:52priority actions that inspire you, your
1:28:54day is going to fill up with low
1:28:55priority distractions that don't. And
1:28:57the distractions that don't are going to
1:28:58be unfulfilling and distracting
1:29:02to create a frustration to go back to
1:29:05priority to get you back to yourselves
1:29:08because these are not you. This highest
1:29:10value is the onlogical identity that
1:29:12revolves around your highest value.
1:29:14Whatever your highest value is, if you
1:29:16ask anybody who are they, they're going
1:29:17to tell you whatever is highest under
1:29:18value. That's going to be their answer.
1:29:20Mine's teacher of if you're raising a
1:29:23children and your highest value is of
1:29:24being a mother, if you ask her who are
1:29:26you, she'll say I'm a mother. If you go
1:29:28to a person who's a serial entrepreneur
1:29:30and ask him, even though he's got three
1:29:31or four kids, you ask him who are you?
1:29:33He's not going to say I'm a father. He's
1:29:34going to say I'm an entrepreneur.
1:29:36Because whatever is highest on one's
1:29:37value, their ontological identity
1:29:39revolves around their teological purpose
1:29:41revolves around and their
1:29:42epistemological area of expertise excels
1:29:44there. So that's where they're most
1:29:46powerful.
1:29:48So finding that out and delegating
1:29:51anything else
1:29:53that devalues you is what I set out to
1:29:56do at age 27. And within 18 months, I
1:29:58pretty well gave it all away. And I
1:30:01basically teach, research, write, and
1:30:03travel. That's about it. Teach,
1:30:07research, write and travel. I don't I'm
1:30:09pretty useless outside that I I
1:30:12technology I delegate business
1:30:15administration. I just teach research,
1:30:18write, travel pretty well every day.
1:30:22>> I'm pretty uh like I say, I'm an idiot
1:30:24outside that. I'm relatively aware
1:30:26inside that.
1:30:26>> Yeah. I uh
1:30:30I'm I'm like that 27. I'm 28, so I'm
1:30:33like I'm at that point where I'm
1:30:35transitioning into that full-time
1:30:37delegation of all the things that aren't
1:30:39highest priority, value, most meaningful
1:30:40to me. But is there something that just
1:30:43that feel that you feel called to share
1:30:44about what uh would serve someone like
1:30:47myself who's embarking on the journey of
1:30:49life, getting to hopefully living a life
1:30:51that is most meaningful and aligned with
1:30:53my values decades down the road?
1:30:57I I wouldn't change anything back there,
1:31:01but I would say that it was I was very
1:31:03grateful
1:31:04to go through a few uh intermediate
1:31:08steps
1:31:10to get feedback on how important it is
1:31:13not to try to be second at being
1:31:16somebody else and not try to worry about
1:31:20whether people like or dislike you. When
1:31:23you
1:31:25niece in his beyond good and evil and
1:31:30Mchaveli in his prince
1:31:32say basically some overlapping ideas
1:31:35that when you can embrace both sides of
1:31:37yourself and be the hero and the
1:31:39villain, the saint and the sinner and
1:31:41realize nothing's missing in you. You're
1:31:44the most extreme of everything that
1:31:45could be even known. The most virtuous,
1:31:48the most vicious. When you can embrace
1:31:51all of that, then you're not going to be
1:31:53distracted by people's opinions.
1:31:56But as long as you're disowning any of
1:31:58those, the world on the outside will run
1:32:00you and you'll have evoked potentials
1:32:01instead of spontaneous potentials
1:32:03guiding your life. So, you know, there
1:32:07was a concern in my 20s uh what will
1:32:11people think or what would happen if I
1:32:14did this? And that gradually kind of
1:32:18became less of priority if that makes
1:32:20any sense because I realized that I
1:32:23could have the whole world against me
1:32:24but the question is do I have my soul
1:32:27against me?
1:32:29My soul being the state of unconditional
1:32:31love in my most authentic state.
1:32:34And
1:32:36you're going to be liked and disliked no
1:32:38matter what you do. I tell people,
1:32:39you're only going to grow to the level
1:32:41of embracing of the hero and villain.
1:32:45So, if you can embrace this much hero,
1:32:48but only this much villain, you're only
1:32:49going to grow to that level.
1:32:52You have to be able to be liked and
1:32:55disliked by the same number of people.
1:32:57And if you can do that, I mean, Donald's
1:32:58a good example that Donald's got a
1:33:00billion people liking and disliking him
1:33:03at least, maybe four billion liking and
1:33:05disliking him. Who knows?
1:33:07So because of that, he's probably on
1:33:10every newspaper in every country every
1:33:12single day, his influence.
1:33:15Um, how well can you embrace and own all
1:33:19your parts?
1:33:21If you any part you're disowning is
1:33:23emptiness.
1:33:25Any part that you could ever imagine in
1:33:28anything that you don't own is your
1:33:30emptiness. So that would be the the
1:33:33journey is to um
1:33:36learn to appreciate. But 41 years ago
1:33:40I was uh about 30 years old. And at the
1:33:44time I as I mentioned earlier I went to
1:33:46the Oxford English dictionary and I went
1:33:49and identified every one of the traits
1:33:50inside me because that was my attempt to
1:33:53try to own the parts and have a
1:33:55preemptive strike instead of having to
1:33:56wait till people push my buttons and
1:33:58react with for with hindsight. I'd
1:34:01rather have foresight and identify it.
1:34:03So when I saw that and people would say
1:34:05things about me, I'd go, okay, that's
1:34:06true, too.
1:34:08You know, somebody says, you know,
1:34:10you're this or that, if I can honor that
1:34:13and see that, I don't have a reaction.
1:34:15They can't control me. But if they if I
1:34:18try to disown it, they can manipulate me
1:34:20and I can be influenced by them for fear
1:34:22of losing or gaining or something and
1:34:24get attached one way or the other. These
1:34:26are the Buddhist attachments that stop
1:34:27people from being themselves.
1:34:33that shift from perceiving life
1:34:35happening to me as a victim versus for
1:34:38me, as me, through me. Uh
1:34:41the the way that you spoke to and what I
1:34:43really resonated with in our last
1:34:44conversation, too, is how you mentioned
1:34:48that you devoted your life to the love
1:34:50of wisdom and the wisdom of love.
1:34:52>> Yeah,
1:34:54that Howard Hughes is the one that
1:34:56stimulated that one.
1:34:59It feels like you've been speaking to it
1:35:01throughout this whole conversation, but
1:35:03what would you what would how would you
1:35:05describe the essence of what wisdom is?
1:35:09It's inseparable from love.
1:35:12It's the synthesis and synchronicity of
1:35:14all opposites.
1:35:15The dialectic that Zeno put together,
1:35:18even though predated, there's predates
1:35:20to that. Um, you take a proposition, you
1:35:24take the opposite proposition,
1:35:27and if you're in your amiga, you call it
1:35:29a debate, and you both want to be right
1:35:32and both want to be proud and hold on to
1:35:34the fantasy that the other person is
1:35:35going to come onto your side.
1:35:38As you go from debate to the dialectic,
1:35:41you start to incorporate the other side
1:35:43into your awareness and to eventually
1:35:45both become aware of both sides
1:35:46simultaneously, the synthesis, as Hegel
1:35:49described.
1:35:51And the synthesis and synchronicity of
1:35:54any complimentary opposite is going to
1:35:56experience love at any scale no matter
1:35:59what you're perceiving.
1:36:01That's why whenever I'm researching I'm
1:36:02always whenever I read a piece of
1:36:04literature um and there's any bias to a
1:36:07site I'm looking for the other
1:36:08literature that was written
1:36:10simultaneously by the law of aristic
1:36:11escalation. There's you know when the
1:36:14when the theory of evolution comes about
1:36:161859 or so by Darwin uh the theory of
1:36:20entropy came out the path of evolution
1:36:23and life and the path of death and they
1:36:26were entangled pairs of opposites coming
1:36:28out of the same city basically and so
1:36:30this is part of nature a unity of
1:36:33opposites. Will Durant did a beautiful
1:36:34piece on the philosophy history or story
1:36:36of philosophy and civilizations. A
1:36:39beautiful rendition of the unity of
1:36:42opposites and the dialectic is
1:36:44underlying all the different uh
1:36:47cultures.
1:36:49So
1:36:51I believe that there's a there's an
1:36:52evolution from
1:36:55taking aside and being opinionated and
1:36:58black and white and absolutist just like
1:37:00there is in morality. There's absolute
1:37:01morality and there's relative
1:37:03situational ethics and morality and
1:37:05that's the evolution from the most dense
1:37:08to the most etheric etheric or rarified.
1:37:11I think that's what we're here to do to
1:37:15utilize that and wisdom and love the
1:37:19love of wisdom the wisdom of love are
1:37:21the same pursuit. Now,
1:37:24uh, Swedenborg did a beautiful job on it
1:37:27and he wrote um, wisdom was the light of
1:37:30the sun and love was the the warmth of
1:37:33the sun.
1:37:35And I I I love that analogy in his
1:37:37books. I devoured all of Swedenborg's
1:37:40books and just lived and studied his
1:37:42books back in my 20s. And um, I love
1:37:45that little rendition of it. It's a
1:37:47smaller book he did.
1:37:49But
1:37:51wisdom, the pursuit of wisdom has been I
1:37:54have cufflings that say love and wisdom
1:37:55on them. I don't have them on today, but
1:37:57I carry their go wherever I go. Gold and
1:38:00silver ones because [clears throat] the
1:38:02wisdom of love and the love of wisdom is
1:38:04what I was told by Howard Hughes to
1:38:06gain. And
1:38:08that's been pretty well the pursuit. The
1:38:10love of wisdom, the wisdom of love. I
1:38:12don't think they're separated. Could you
1:38:14give me your like five, six top
1:38:17individuals who have influenced you most
1:38:18on that journey because I think you
1:38:21mentioned many throughout and it's rare
1:38:23that I get to speak with somebody who's
1:38:24so well read across so many different
1:38:26disciplines.
1:38:28Um, who who do you think are the best
1:38:30thinkers in embracing that understanding
1:38:32of wisdom and love? The best writers,
1:38:34best teachers you've studied?
1:38:37>> That's a good question because I'm just
1:38:45I don't know if I got an answer for
1:38:46that. Uh, the best.
1:38:49>> Well, the most impactful for you
1:38:50perhaps.
1:38:52>> Well,
1:38:56there's a beautiful book I think I
1:38:58mentioned last time, Centopicanin
1:39:01by Mortimer Adler that I've loved
1:39:03reading that I encourage anybody to
1:39:06read. It's a two volume set. Each are
1:39:09about 900 pages each.
1:39:11And it is um a summary of the greatest
1:39:15minds
1:39:17in the western world
1:39:20from the all the way to modern
1:39:23psychologies and philosophies.
1:39:26Um
1:39:28summarized
1:39:30sin topic, a [clears throat] synthesis
1:39:32of the topics that every human being are
1:39:35wise to study.
1:39:37And it [clears throat] starts out with A
1:39:40and goes all the way through the
1:39:41alphabet.
1:39:43And that's probably those two volumes
1:39:47are probably the most significant
1:39:48volumes that a person's probably going
1:39:50to read probably to read. And and
1:39:53there's hundreds of philosophers sitting
1:39:56inside there.
1:39:58So yeah, I think that uh that would be
1:40:01the it wouldn't be a human being, one
1:40:04being although there's been many people
1:40:06that have influenced me. I had a a
1:40:08gentleman named Lakishwaram
1:40:11who was an Indian mystic who I met at 23
1:40:16who had six PhDs.
1:40:20a doctor of philosophy, a doctor of
1:40:22osteopathy, a doctor of medicine, a
1:40:24doctor of chiropractic, a doctor of
1:40:25physiology, a doctor of divinity,
1:40:29very aware guy.
1:40:31And I got to be his student and learn
1:40:34from him and we explored the mysteries
1:40:38together or he shared what he understood
1:40:41the mysteries questions. Whence do we
1:40:44come? Why, where do we go? Why are we
1:40:46here? Who are we? Do we have free will
1:40:48and predestination? the basic mystery
1:40:50questions.
1:40:52And that was uh an influence and he had
1:40:54an influence on my exploration of the
1:40:56mysteries,
1:40:57the mystery uh traditions, the
1:41:01comparative religions and comparative
1:41:03philosophies and the sciences
1:41:06and some of the arts that expressed
1:41:07those. So he had an impact on me. But
1:41:11I'd have to say that the the great books
1:41:14of the western world that I got a hold
1:41:15of when I was 21 and more and more Adler
1:41:18synopic in volumes one and two which are
1:41:20the two volumes that started off are two
1:41:24it's an introduction to a PhD on life.
1:41:26It's a great set of volumes just for
1:41:29people to to feed their mind.
1:41:32>> How do you learn in a way that you're
1:41:33able to integrate and synthesize the
1:41:35information?
1:41:38How have you learned how to learn? Okay,
1:41:40that's a great one. Okay, now let's
1:41:43let's play with that one.
1:41:45I had learning problems as you know. So,
1:41:48as I started to learn and read at age
1:41:5018, I um
1:41:54anything I asked myself what worked and
1:41:56what didn't work today and I kept record
1:41:57of it. What allowed me to go more
1:41:59efficiently and what allowed me to be
1:42:01less efficient.
1:42:03I noticed a bunch of things. I noticed
1:42:04when I was reading a book, some books I
1:42:07would get my reticular activating system
1:42:09to would make me fade some topics and
1:42:12other topics I would be engaged and
1:42:13wouldn't want to go to sleep
1:42:16and I watched that polarity and I looked
1:42:18at the content and I asked why is it
1:42:19doing that? This is before I knew about
1:42:21values
1:42:23and the only way to get through that
1:42:25when I would read. So I wanted to study
1:42:26all the disciplines but some were less
1:42:28inspiring than others is that if I read
1:42:3120 minutes doing this by the time I was
1:42:32fading I would then stop and read 20
1:42:34minutes over here and I would be wake up
1:42:36again. And I kept myself going back and
1:42:38forth between those to keep myself
1:42:40awake. So I could read 20 hours a day
1:42:42because that was my objective to try to
1:42:44at least devour because I slept four
1:42:46hours a day for 35 years and I just read
1:42:49pretty well or shared. So I found that
1:42:52then I found that sitting up did a whole
1:42:56lot better, you know, sitting up in a
1:42:58proper posture was way better at reading
1:43:00than slouching or sitting sideways. So I
1:43:03found the proper temperature. I found
1:43:06water. I drank water. I found anything
1:43:09that caused any perturbation of blood
1:43:11sugar affected reading and learning. So
1:43:14I drank water and I did yoga breathing
1:43:17and I did yogic uh recall at night. And
1:43:21there were certain things that I just
1:43:23accumulated what was working and not
1:43:24working.
1:43:27I learned about visual guides in reading
1:43:30and I started using visual guides and I
1:43:32got faster and faster to where I could
1:43:33read one day 11,000 pages. I really
1:43:36devoured the reading.
1:43:38[clears throat]
1:43:39But I also learned that if I take one
1:43:42common theme that I tie all my reading
1:43:45to, when I turned 23 and I learned about
1:43:48values, my my reading accelerated
1:43:51vastly. I mean it just took off because
1:43:54then I realized if I ask the question
1:43:57how is this topic helping me fulfill
1:43:59what's most deeply meaningful my highest
1:44:01value what's most inspiring what's most
1:44:03meaningful if I link that and make links
1:44:06the more links I do the more
1:44:08photographic and autographic the
1:44:09information becomes
1:44:12so that was a major breakthrough on that
1:44:14then I learned another thing when I was
1:44:16doing a presentation to a group of 400
1:44:18dentists on on TMJ I was studying
1:44:21chiropractic and astronomy and dentistry
1:44:23at the same time in medicine. And so
1:44:25when I was when I was doing a
1:44:27presentation to a group of 400 dentists,
1:44:29a guy asked me this challenging question
1:44:32and out of my mind came a literally a
1:44:34photographic image of Gray's anatomy.
1:44:37And I was just reading it off the page
1:44:38to him. And then he goes, "Okay, okay, I
1:44:42got it. You you gave me the answer." And
1:44:45then I went home that night and I go,
1:44:46"How did I know that page?" Because I
1:44:47was not aware I had that page. I
1:44:50realized one of the great principles of
1:44:52learning
1:44:53that you have conscious awareness which
1:44:56is 0.004%.
1:44:59And unconscious awareness which is
1:45:00vastly more. So when you're devouring
1:45:03information you're only getting a small
1:45:05percentage of it. Even though I'm was
1:45:08could photograph things still got not
1:45:10everything.
1:45:12But then when I found out that the
1:45:13second I had a purpose for reading
1:45:18the pulvinar nuclei filters the
1:45:20information and takes it out of the
1:45:21unconscious and puts it into the
1:45:23conscious awareness.
1:45:25So when I did that when the guy asked me
1:45:27the question out of my unconscious I
1:45:31didn't even know I knew that page but my
1:45:34eyes saw it but my pulver nuclei
1:45:37filtered it out as not pertinent out of
1:45:39the infinitude to give me what was most
1:45:41priority
1:45:43and so that area of the brain the top
1:45:45end of the reticular activating system
1:45:47wakes us up and allows us to get the
1:45:48most pertinent information out of the
1:45:50infinitude that we we're facing. So when
1:45:54you asked the question, now I had a
1:45:55purpose for that. It went higher on my
1:45:58values and it came from the unconscious
1:46:00up into the conscious awareness. Well,
1:46:02that was a big breakthrough for me
1:46:04because now I realize I can just devour
1:46:07volumes and volumes of material visually
1:46:10and the second somebody asked me a
1:46:12question, doesn't matter what it is, I
1:46:15got access to it. And so I then started
1:46:18to do presentations with Q&A to expedite
1:46:22my infinitude unconscious into the
1:46:25conscious awareness to speed up my
1:46:26learning. And that was really very very
1:46:29uh eye opening for me. So now I realized
1:46:31and I also realized that why I was
1:46:33waking up and going to sleep originally
1:46:35was valuedriven. When things were linked
1:46:37to my values, I got the reticular
1:46:39activating system and the pulvinar
1:46:41nuclei allowed it in. If it wasn't
1:46:43linked, fall asleep, unimportant.
1:46:46So then I realized that whatever I read,
1:46:49every class I took, it's part of my
1:46:50speedreading program that I taught for
1:46:52years. I would take whatever class you
1:46:55were taking, whatever the topic is, and
1:46:56I asked how specifically is studying
1:46:59this topic helping me fulfill my highest
1:47:02value, the most important information,
1:47:05which is the evolution of human
1:47:06consciousness and how to maximize human
1:47:08awareness and potential and to help
1:47:11people understand the divine
1:47:12magnificent. So, I would link whatever
1:47:15it is, physics, mathematics, science, I
1:47:17don't care what it is, I would link it
1:47:19except cars and
1:47:21>> cooking. I linked it all to that
1:47:23objective because I didn't want to take
1:47:26up time eating. I wanted I wanted I used
1:47:29to have um all these bowls of nuts and
1:47:32seeds and dried fruit and a thing of
1:47:34water here and my eating and I had a
1:47:37thimble uh and a sponge that was wet
1:47:41because as I was speedreading my my
1:47:43fingers would get [laughter] I would
1:47:45lose the finger uh fingerprints as I'm
1:47:49reading. So I had to use a thimble and I
1:47:51had to use a sponge to moisten it to be
1:47:53able to keep turning pages. And I had
1:47:55food there so I wouldn't lose time
1:47:56having to be distracted by eating. The
1:47:58only thing that would distract me from
1:48:00my reading was to go pee. [laughter]
1:48:03>> You were reading so much the literal
1:48:05text.
1:48:05>> The fingers the fingertips were gone. I
1:48:08couldn't do it cuz it because you burn
1:48:09you you get the pages get hot and you
1:48:11end up getting [laughter] you get
1:48:12burned. Your fingers get burned.
1:48:14>> Oh my god. It's just an incredible
1:48:16visual. Wow.
1:48:19But I learned that the the visual
1:48:22reading, you know, you most people read
1:48:24at the speed at which they speak.
1:48:27>> And if you speak fast, you can read
1:48:28fast. If you can't, you're going to read
1:48:29slow. Guarantee it. Because your
1:48:31phonemes, that is how you were taught
1:48:32reading.
1:48:33>> Yeah.
1:48:34>> You have to break the sound barrier, go
1:48:36into the visual system to be able to go
1:48:37to faster reading. And so I just allowed
1:48:40myself to devour information. And I
1:48:43didn't even care if I got it
1:48:45consciously. Hm.
1:48:47>> I would specifically set up questions
1:48:50for people to ask me to find out what I
1:48:53did read
1:48:54>> to prove to me that I could get access
1:48:55to the unconscious.
1:48:57>> So that's the way that you would train
1:48:59your recall capacity. Would you was
1:49:01there a note takingaking or highlighting
1:49:03system or?
1:49:04>> Yes. As I was speedreading it, I use a
1:49:07pencil.
1:49:08>> Uhhuh.
1:49:08>> And I created a coding system.
1:49:11uh spiritual, mental, vocational,
1:49:14financial, family, social and physical
1:49:15because I wanted to master those areas.
1:49:17And then I did spiritual
1:49:20SPM, spiritual meditation, SPA,
1:49:24affirmations, SP, you know, rituals, R.
1:49:28So I [clears throat] broke every thing I
1:49:30was studying into these subcomponents.
1:49:33And then as I'm speedreading going
1:49:35through it with a pencil and and you you
1:49:37start out with you're doing a line and
1:49:39line on line and then you end up
1:49:41narrowing it tighter and eventually just
1:49:43go down the page. But whenever I would
1:49:45read something that was of pertinence or
1:49:47a quote or something, I would
1:49:49immediately put out a coding on the side
1:49:50of the page and I'd underline what that
1:49:54thing is as I'm going through it. So
1:49:56then I could hand that and delegate that
1:49:58to a lady that typed 110 words a minute
1:50:01to type that out and put the reference
1:50:02in there and to categorize them
1:50:04alphabetically into my encyclopedia
1:50:06system. So that way I could just keep
1:50:08reading and then I would have the
1:50:10information all sorted and all ready for
1:50:12me when I needed it. And it was by
1:50:13topics. I use synopican idea and I would
1:50:17synthesize the topics and then whenever
1:50:19I was doing a presentation I'd pull up
1:50:20everything that I'd ever read from any
1:50:22other source or any seminar and I did it
1:50:24on index cards originally. So I only put
1:50:27one idea per card and I put all the
1:50:28cards through these u topical systems
1:50:32and abbreviated it and I had my own
1:50:35abbreviation system and kind of a
1:50:38shorthand. So when I took notes from
1:50:40classes, I developed a shorthand. I took
1:50:42all the vowels out and I just put
1:50:43consonants ends and I shortened it down
1:50:46so I could get every single word that
1:50:47anybody said and I could quote back to
1:50:49them. Um, and that way I had the best
1:50:51notes. And then I would sell those to
1:50:53students that would want to do it
1:50:54because I got the top grades. They'd
1:50:56want to get my notes and I would sell
1:50:58them. That way I was getting paid to
1:50:59study because I always say anytime you
1:51:01want to do what you love, you always
1:51:02going to ask, "How do I get handsomely
1:51:04paid to do what I love?"
1:51:05>> So I got paid to study. I made $100,000
1:51:08a year teaching and studying when I was
1:51:13in school, when I was in my early 20s.
1:51:18As someone who's devoured such a heap of
1:51:20knowledge and information, how do you
1:51:22delineate what's your own original idea
1:51:25versus information you've read?
1:51:27>> Good question. Hard because it's a
1:51:30synthesis.
1:51:32Now my methodology
1:51:34uh that I've developed is an original
1:51:38piece of work but this underlying
1:51:41components you can trace back.
1:51:44So um when you're doing where do I do
1:51:47the same thing? Well, that can go back
1:51:49to Islamic teachings the sixth century.
1:51:53You can go back to Christian teachings
1:51:55in the first century. and go back to
1:51:57Egyptian teachings on tomb in uh four
1:52:01millennium back and I don't know some
1:52:04earlier text uh I have a friend that's
1:52:06got the largest collection of private
1:52:08texts in the world and um about almost
1:52:11$6 billion worth of ancient manuscripts
1:52:13and texts that he got out of Iraq and
1:52:15different places around the world and
1:52:17looking at some of his oldest texts a
1:52:20lot of stuff goes back 3,000 4,000 years
1:52:22if you can decipher it and put it into
1:52:24because I couldn't decipher the uniform
1:52:25but I see the English translation of it.
1:52:28Some of these principles go way back and
1:52:30some of them don't even have a name on
1:52:32where they originate.
1:52:33So I'm an originator of a new form of
1:52:36comi common combining things.
1:52:38Origination can be sometimes a new
1:52:39combination
1:52:41but some of the principles don't know it
1:52:44for new. Now the complete synthesis
1:52:46synchronistic opposites which I call my
1:52:49great discovery which is to me the
1:52:51greatest discovery in psychology that's
1:52:53that's I've come across um I haven't
1:52:57seen anywhere but I've seen reference to
1:52:59it in Jung's work but he didn't have a
1:53:02tool then how to do it I saw it as as
1:53:05unity of opposites in heritis work but
1:53:07he didn't have a tool to do it so I was
1:53:09able to create the tool that allowed
1:53:11them to do it I spoke at uh New York
1:53:13University to the physics department,
1:53:15psychology department, and there's a
1:53:17packed room hot. At the end of it, the
1:53:20professor said, "If Jung was alive
1:53:22today, he'd be using your method." I
1:53:23said, "I believe that." Because he he
1:53:26understood, but he didn't and he had a
1:53:27framework, but he didn't have a tool to
1:53:29access the synchronicity
1:53:32uh and simultaneity.
1:53:35Wilhelm want in 1897 in his principles
1:53:38of psychology said that there's
1:53:40simultaneous contrast and sequential
1:53:42contrast. sequential contracts that
1:53:44creates the perturbations and the
1:53:45vicissitudes of perception but the
1:53:48simultaneous contracts is where love and
1:53:50wisdom is he said if you have that you
1:53:52got stability
1:53:54so but he didn't have a tool no
1:53:56reference in it in his text so I think
1:53:59I've developed a tool on how to do that
1:54:01that's methodical that's reproducible
1:54:03that's duplicatable that works in every
1:54:05culture translatable so that part I
1:54:08think is relatively original until I
1:54:11find somebody that maybe have done that
1:54:12earlier that I just didn't have didn't
1:54:13come across yet.
1:54:15>> Yeah. I always find it fascinating even
1:54:16in my own life with my own writing where
1:54:19I like come across what I think or
1:54:21perceive in the moment as an relatively
1:54:23novel idea or phrasing of of wording and
1:54:26then [snorts] come to read some sort of
1:54:28ancient text or like this guy Iban Arabi
1:54:30who's uh an amazing writer and like
1:54:33thousands years back saying saying the
1:54:36exact same thing and it's uh
1:54:40I guess it just makes me inquire about
1:54:43the possibility of what an original idea
1:54:46really even is, if it's possible, the
1:54:49rarity of one, if so. Uh, and then what
1:54:52seems like when you devour such a large
1:54:54heap of information and you're creating
1:54:56what is a unique sort of framework or
1:54:58model that maybe has never been uh put
1:55:00together in the way that you have with
1:55:02your value system and the D Martini
1:55:03process, for example. Well, Herbert
1:55:05Spencer
1:55:07was trying to create kind of a universal
1:55:10evolutionary model.
1:55:12you know, the survival of the fittest is
1:55:14from him that Darwin kind of played with
1:55:17and that has a completely different
1:55:19distorted meaning today. It's like
1:55:21aggression. The survival of the fitness
1:55:23has nothing to do with aggression really
1:55:26because I'll use an analogy. If you're
1:55:29infatuated with somebody
1:55:32and um they represent prey
1:55:36and you had no predator and you had only
1:55:39prey, you'd be gluttonous and fat and
1:55:41lose fitness. If you had predator and
1:55:45you resented somebody and they represent
1:55:46predator and no prey, you starve in a
1:55:50maze shape and lose fitness. But if you
1:55:54put the prey and predator together, you
1:55:56maximize fitness. So survival of the
1:56:00fitness or thrival of the fitness is
1:56:03really the person who's able to
1:56:04integrate the pair of opposites, not the
1:56:07person that dominates.
1:56:09Although they dominate because they
1:56:10survive, they're not having to be
1:56:12aggressive any more than passive.
1:56:15They've integrated it. Because if
1:56:17they're aggressive to a predator, they
1:56:20may be passive to their own offspring.
1:56:24You know, when you're when you're
1:56:25protecting your own children, you're
1:56:28being kind and you're being cruel. And
1:56:30people think you can separate the
1:56:32inseparables, but you can't. That's why
1:56:34nice and mean are not really separable.
1:56:36People think, "Well, that's a nice
1:56:37thing." No, it isn't. Or that's a mean
1:56:38thing. No, it isn't. It's neither.
1:56:42[laughter]
1:56:42We've got caught in the trap of the
1:56:44labels and naming the inevitables.
1:56:48A big golden thread throughout this
1:56:50whole conversation and what I think will
1:56:52leave more evoked within my own life is
1:56:56when somebody comes to me with a
1:56:57perceived problem or thought around
1:56:59reality uh a perception a judgment when
1:57:03it comes up within me it's just such a
1:57:06liberating it it feels so much more
1:57:08spacious to have the inquiry of what is
1:57:10the complimentary opposite what is the
1:57:13other perspective that is also here
1:57:15coupled within this experience and it
1:57:17allows I feel like it just will continue
1:57:19to allow me and allow everybody who's
1:57:21listening to walk through life not
1:57:23clinging on to our ideas of how reality
1:57:26should be in a dogmatic persona but uh
1:57:29allowing the mystery to to permeate our
1:57:31being a bit more
1:57:33>> that's well said that's that summarizes
1:57:35it uh holy curiosity Einstein said he
1:57:40used to say and I'm paraphrasing it's
1:57:42enough for me on a daily base to sit in
1:57:44awe contemplating
1:57:47the intelligence that permeates the
1:57:49universe. I think that's a nice way of
1:57:52saying it. And
1:57:55you know whether or not somebody
1:57:57the mysteries of reductionism that
1:58:00they've been trying to solve on the hard
1:58:01problem in consciousness
1:58:04um hasn't been solved. And believe it or
1:58:07not, some of the prescratics already
1:58:10conceived the brain as the as the
1:58:12receipt of the of the consciousness.
1:58:14That was already that's back at the
1:58:16pistocratics
1:58:17and
1:58:19we haven't really made a whole lot of
1:58:21progress there. We've reduced it down to
1:58:23quantum levels and now there's quantum
1:58:26theories you know and microtubules and
1:58:28there's tubulin and now there's quantum
1:58:30entanglement. Now there's photo
1:58:32dissection of of biomolelecules and
1:58:35photons going all over the body and
1:58:36there I mean I've I've I've had fun with
1:58:38it.
1:58:40To me, the most fundamental level of
1:58:42consciousness would be the quantum
1:58:44vacuum creating virtual photons and
1:58:47virtual particle nanoparticles.
1:58:50And at that level, that's one thing
1:58:52common pany to all parts of the brain.
1:58:56So maybe it's going in out just like a a
1:58:59proton is actually an inner play of
1:59:02quarks and gluons and bisonons and it's
1:59:05a dance out of the quantum vacuum into
1:59:08existence and not and we we think
1:59:09they're stable systems but they're
1:59:11actually murky and um it's possible that
1:59:14the information that's sitting in there
1:59:16and the storage of that um is the same
1:59:19thing as our consciousness. It's
1:59:21actually just emerging and submerging in
1:59:24the quantum vacuum into our into our
1:59:26brain and then out of our brain. I mean
1:59:28we be looking for this you know pursuit
1:59:30of this finding this location in the
1:59:32brain right even though we know that it
1:59:34integrates in the media prefrontal
1:59:35cortex of ventral we know that we have
1:59:37action potentials there um and we have
1:59:40different modules of the brain for
1:59:42different functions because if we can
1:59:44destroy that area we can alter those
1:59:46functions. There's still something more
1:59:48fundamental. And
1:59:51right now with our level of
1:59:53understanding and our math, the quantum
1:59:55vacuum would probably be the most pans
1:59:57psychic source that may be underlying
1:59:59the whole thing. But this is just
2:00:01speculation.
2:00:02>> I love so much of what you just shared
2:00:05and will need to be postponed
2:00:08additionally for for a third
2:00:09conversation at some point. But I just
2:00:11find it I do find it so fascinating um
2:00:14how I'm also in the midst of preparing
2:00:17for a podcast I'm doing tomorrow with
2:00:19Dr. Ian McIllchrist who
2:00:21>> Oh, he's bright.
2:00:21>> He's he's amazing.
2:00:22>> Lovely guy.
2:00:23>> Um but
2:00:23>> he understands unitive opposites.
2:00:26>> Yeah, I'm excited. This is a a full
2:00:27week. I'm excited these conversations
2:00:29all bounce and fulfill off of one
2:00:30another. And uh but I I just bring that
2:00:33up because he speaks the different ways
2:00:35and capacities of knowing both within
2:00:37the left and left and and right
2:00:39hemisphere. Um and a in inherent
2:00:42asymmetry within our brain and how great
2:00:44innovation almost unanimously comes
2:00:47through letting go of priors and known
2:00:50and the imagination and the intuition is
2:00:52actually where the great discoveries
2:00:54throughout all ages have come from and
2:00:56what that could say about our own life
2:00:58as we come into that place of stillness
2:01:00and quiet and allow us to renovate what
2:01:02it means to be human in our life, you
2:01:04know. So, it's a it's a great balance
2:01:06and I've just appreciated your awareness
2:01:08of of the two. So,
2:01:10>> well, I loved our conversation last time
2:01:13and I'd love this conversation this time
2:01:15and who knows, maybe there'll be another
2:01:17time.
2:01:17>> I I feel I feel so honored if so the
2:01:20this conversation is so fulfilling and
2:01:23uh it is I can tell by the excitement
2:01:26and aliveness throughout the whole
2:01:28conversation both this time and last
2:01:30like this is just uh it's such a gift to
2:01:32be able to do this to have these values
2:01:34to have these curiosities but then to be
2:01:36in conversation about it. um it's just
2:01:39so meaningful for me. So, thank you so
2:01:41much for the work.
2:01:42>> Thank you for the great questions and
2:01:43for the opportunity to be with you again
2:01:45and uh whoever may be listening um just
2:01:50know that there's a 12step program
2:01:51called Survivors of D. Martini.
2:01:53[laughter]
2:01:55So, in case you didn't understand uh
2:01:58something I said, maybe I'll have the
2:02:00opportunity to someday meet you and
2:02:02clarify it. Yeah, I yeah, thank you for
2:02:05mentioning I mean everybody linked in
2:02:08description as always will be our guests
2:02:11information or his work, his courses. Uh
2:02:14we scratched the tip of the tip of the
2:02:15iceberg when it comes to your process
2:02:17and uh being able to actually really
2:02:19identify our own core values and and all
2:02:21these things. And so I encourage people
2:02:23to if they feel called take a gander. Uh
2:02:27thank you so much.
2:02:28>> Thank you again
2:02:28>> everybody. Thank you. Until next time,
2:02:30be well. We did it.
2:02:33Found it.
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