The FULL Police Interrogation and CONFESSSION - Chris Watts — Transcript
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- 1:09I feel like you're probably ready to do
- 1:11that
- 1:12I didn't I didn't lie to you on that
- 1:14polygraph I promise
- 1:16Chris
- 1:18all right
- 1:20turned out for a minute take a deep
- 1:22breath
- 1:23and I want you to take a deep breath
- 1:25right now
- 1:32there's a reason you feel sick to your
- 1:34stomach and when people hold stuff
- 1:36inside it makes you physically ill
- 1:39and I can just tell on your face I could
- 1:41tell you tell from the second you walked
- 1:43in that you were wanting to just come
- 1:46clean and just be done with this
- 1:48and I appreciate that because you knew
- 1:50sitting down in that chair that you
- 1:52weren't going to pass today and you knew
- 1:54I was going to find out because I told
- 1:56you that and then you continued to stay
- 1:59knowing that you could at the end say
- 2:02you know what
- 2:03I just need to get this off my chest
- 2:05like I just need to tell you what
- 2:06happened
- 2:08we're not we're not here to play games
- 2:09we're not here to do any of that with
- 2:11you we just want to know what happened
- 2:14so can you start from the beginning and
- 2:16tell us what happened
- 2:18everything that after I told you I have
- 2:21not lied on this polygraph I am
- 2:23I don't know how much I could
- 2:26tell you right now like it's not an
- 2:29option right now because you did not
- 2:31pass the polygraph so I know you were
- 2:32being deceptive so that's not even an
- 2:34issue right now the issue right now is
- 2:36what happened to shananne
- 2:39Bella and Celeste that's the issue right
- 2:42now
- 2:44so let's talk about that
- 2:47I know I know you want to tell us I I
- 2:49can I can see it in your face
- 2:53holding this line in is going to do
- 2:55nothing for you I I know this like I'm
- 2:58not like trying to like cover things up
- 3:01like yeah but you kind of are because
- 3:03and it's normal normal people would do
- 3:06that there are more people that make a
- 3:08mistake initially are going to go I
- 3:10don't know what you're talking about I
- 3:11didn't do anything that's normal I would
- 3:14expect that
- 3:15it's just like if you ask your kid you
- 3:17know did you write on the wall they go
- 3:18no you're like you have marker on your
- 3:21hand like I know you just squirrel on
- 3:22the wall and they're like oh okay that's
- 3:24a natural reaction that someone's gonna
- 3:26initially lie about something like that
- 3:28and then eventually tell the truth so
- 3:30this is your eventually telling the
- 3:32truth time
- 3:34this is where this is where the rubber
- 3:36meets the road Chris
- 3:38like don't let this continue any longer
- 3:41please
- 3:42I'm not trying to make anything continue
- 3:45like I want them back home like
- 3:48but you know they're not coming back
- 3:50home
- 3:51you know that I don't know in the back
- 3:53of my head I hope they come back home
- 3:55but you know they're not I hope they
- 3:58come back home
- 4:01and I don't know they're not coming back
- 4:02home
- 4:06Chris Timmy and I are confused okay
- 4:09and here's what we're confused about
- 4:12I told you that we've done some work
- 4:14overnight yeah I told you that we've got
- 4:15a lot of movies okay that wasn't a lie I
- 4:18don't know we know a lot more than
- 4:19anything
- 4:21but here's what we're
- 4:24going to be you're this great guy and
- 4:25I'm not just telling you that okay I'm
- 4:27telling you that because everyone tells
- 4:29us that okay
- 4:31we can't find anyone to say anything bad
- 4:33about you Chris is a great guy he's a
- 4:35good father
- 4:36he's a good man
- 4:38confused as to why you're not taking
- 4:41your beautiful children
- 4:44how am I taking care of them right now
- 4:45right now where are they
- 4:49don't know where they're at
- 4:55I honest I do not know where they're at
- 5:01if I could have my babies back home
- 5:02right now I would
- 5:04I want them back I want everybody back
- 5:10to God's honest truth
- 5:36foreign
- 5:49foreign
- 6:13we just can't figure out
- 6:16where there's two Chris's okay
- 6:19we talked about that last night yes we
- 6:21just can't figure it out
- 6:25there's a Chris okay
- 6:29my first child routine I would say I
- 6:31don't know go after them all
- 6:33the truth right
- 6:35and so
- 6:36it is very surprising to me and it warms
- 6:38my heart that you're the type of dad who
- 6:41can pack a bag in the morning and you
- 6:43know what you have to put the foot in
- 6:44there and you know just what to put in
- 6:46there as a backup in case they have an
- 6:48accident okay
- 6:49closed captioning not available
- 7:19you today
- 7:21I know
- 7:23and this is very good
- 7:25I
- 7:29I'm not proud of it
- 7:31I
- 7:32I don't think anything like that could
- 7:34happen without a thing I ever do it but
- 7:35I did
- 7:42she accused me of it I denied it
- 7:45I I actually just on her and I feel
- 7:48horrible for it like she was pregnant
- 7:50and
- 7:51it was
- 7:54I don't wanna
- 7:58that didn't hurt her I cheated I hurt
- 8:01her emotionally I treated on her
- 8:03and
- 8:07I feel absolutely horrible about this
- 8:09but
- 8:10that's what I've been holding I think
- 8:11when I didn't go to the Rockies game I
- 8:14was with her
- 8:16I went to dinner with her
- 8:18okay
- 8:22keep going
- 8:24that five week sales alone I was my
- 8:27third Muslim most of the time
- 8:30you're doing a good job this is the
- 8:32crisp that I knew would come out today
- 8:33this is the crazy tells the truth
- 8:35because you're a truth teller
- 8:39and I'd say I thought I love Scott fell
- 8:41a little better
- 8:43absolutely okay I mean that's true
- 8:48who is her
- 8:50so I don't want to get her involved in
- 8:52this I don't want to ruin her life it's
- 8:54like it's some something like this I
- 8:55don't want her involved in this okay
- 8:57so can we talk about that a little bit
- 8:59yes
- 9:01I knew that you would say you didn't
- 9:04want to get her involved
- 9:05because I could use a city here she's a
- 9:08wonderful person like I mean she knew I
- 9:11was married yes and that's why we were
- 9:13going through the issues yes
- 9:17and I told her that you know we're going
- 9:19to get you know at the end like you're
- 9:20going to be separate like once I've
- 9:22figured out what that was I didn't know
- 9:23what that was going to be I know I had
- 9:25no idea I like you know
- 9:28I saw her took my breath away and I'd
- 9:32never thought in the years that could
- 9:34happen you know how do you think I'm a
- 9:36figure
- 9:36um like but like it was I never felt
- 9:40that way about anybody like anybody of
- 9:43all the time
- 9:45Christmas not your fault yeah no no
- 9:50can we do this
- 9:53I know you want to take care of her
- 9:55because it's because you're a type of
- 9:57guy that takes care of women
- 9:58and if you took care of your wife you
- 10:00took care of your daughters you were
- 10:01very good at taking care and you want to
- 10:03take care of her should we make a deal
- 10:08I don't think this girl
- 10:11did anything to hurt anybody but
- 10:14I can't walk out of here wondering
- 10:17so can we leave her out of it I'll try
- 10:19to get back to your wife and your
- 10:20daughters okay where are they
- 10:23I do not know
- 10:25that was what I was holding back like I
- 10:27didn't know like what I could I know
- 10:29Chris in the interview today you weren't
- 10:32asked about infidelity
- 10:34you were asked about that was I was
- 10:36holding back from last night
- 10:44it's not just the ones that we talked
- 10:46about being important
- 10:49like the ones you wanted me to lie about
- 10:51like is that what you're talking about
- 10:53no the words about her disappearance and
- 10:56knowing where she's at and about what
- 10:58you about paying her last
- 11:01night I was not lying about those things
- 11:05yes okay
- 11:08so
- 11:09I'm going into that interview today with
- 11:11Tammy where we stretch you in we knew we
- 11:14knew all about Nikki
- 11:17okay all about it
- 11:20and you're doing a very good job right
- 11:23now because you didn't have to tell us
- 11:24about it but you did
- 11:26um
- 11:27we could see it on your chest I can't in
- 11:29your eyes okay
- 11:31here's a challenge that we have
- 11:33we knew about Mickey and so we didn't
- 11:35need to ask you about her in the
- 11:37polygraph who just didn't lead to
- 11:39because we knew okay
- 11:40and so that's why we didn't ask you
- 11:43because we already knew the answer okay
- 11:45we're very very worried about your
- 11:47daughters and
- 11:49so can I tell you maybe
- 11:52based on the people that I talked to and
- 11:54Tammy's talks to based on all the
- 11:56investigations we've done based on
- 11:59your cell phone both your cell phones
- 12:01your wife's cell phone Nikki's cell
- 12:04phone
- 12:05okay
- 12:06based on talking with family members and
- 12:08friends and people talking with everyone
- 12:10here's what we know okay and I'm not
- 12:12gonna lie to right now here's what we
- 12:13know okay question is good man
- 12:16everyone said it okay I'm not just
- 12:18telling you that because I you know I
- 12:20want to blow smoke here you're a good
- 12:21man okay
- 12:23nobody can fake answers about packing a
- 12:26backpack for nobody you either pack a
- 12:28backpack for your kids or you don't okay
- 12:32it should have been the happiest time of
- 12:34your marriage
- 12:36okay
- 12:38this should have been the happiest
- 12:40time she's making a little money she's
- 12:41making good money you're making great
- 12:43money you both have a job you have
- 12:45beautiful kids you have a beautiful
- 12:46house you're in Colorado clean air good
- 12:48people okay and on top of that
- 12:51you're pretty good now
- 12:53you're pretty sad okay this should have
- 12:56been a time in your marriage where you
- 12:58guys were happy and thriving and
- 12:59productive okay and I believe that
- 13:03shenan is the reason none of that
- 13:04happened
- 13:05I believe that she's a controlling
- 13:07person
- 13:09maybe doesn't listen to you as much as
- 13:10she should
- 13:15do whatever she wants and you can't
- 13:19okay
- 13:20I think if you were to go to a
- 13:21restaurant she would order whatever the
- 13:23hell she wants
- 13:24and as soon as you order a nice steaks
- 13:26he says well buddy
- 13:30a woman that lets her man do all the
- 13:32backpack packing and all of her cooking
- 13:34I'll do all the cooking but actually
- 13:36Cooks like I do like
- 13:39things here okay
- 13:41that's because you're a good person and
- 13:43I think that she started on the path to
- 13:45leave the marriage
- 13:48ironic that we're talking about even
- 13:50Nikki Nikki I think that she was the one
- 13:52who started on that path first
- 13:57what do you think about that
- 14:00I wouldn't have thought about that
- 14:04the other thing I think is interesting
- 14:05is
- 14:06even though she is that type of person
- 14:08that's controlling doesn't listen does
- 14:11what she wants is walking away from her
- 14:13kids
- 14:14here you are defending her
- 14:16because to your core you want to take
- 14:18care of the people you love
- 14:21okay
- 14:22and that's the reason why
- 14:25we want to give you an opportunity today
- 14:28to just help us find them okay
- 14:32will you do that for us I'll do whatever
- 14:35I can to help but find where they're at
- 14:37okay
- 14:39so when she asked you do you know
- 14:42where they are or are you going to tell
- 14:43the truth about where they are who
- 14:45failed miserably
- 14:46okay
- 14:48why
- 14:49I'm I'm a nervous person like every
- 14:52question to ask every question that felt
- 14:54like
- 14:55I did I wouldn't even say the right of
- 14:57thing that's not how the polygraph works
- 14:58I don't like I don't know like what it
- 15:01reads like I know what she was saying
- 15:03about the autonomy of of the process but
- 15:07like
- 15:10from where they're at
- 15:13Chris right now you're down to outside
- 15:14he's from across the country down
- 15:19you're lying to him
- 15:30goodbye to everyone you talked to
- 15:33and they all bought it
- 15:38will you please help us find your babies
- 15:41I want to find them I've told you over
- 15:44and over I want to find
- 15:50go back to that night
- 15:52you know that we have texts
- 15:56and we know there's an Alexa in your
- 15:58house and you know that those are
- 16:01trained to record distress
- 16:04okay
- 16:06you know that we know the content of
- 16:08Nikki's text messages and your text
- 16:10messages and shenan's text messages okay
- 16:14I don't know anyways I think he was
- 16:16until right now so
- 16:18okay
- 16:20tell us about that night again and
- 16:21please tell the truth it's not
- 16:25I told you that you're
- 16:27um I promise I've told you the
- 16:28truthfully
- 16:29I woke up at four o'clock
- 16:36got dressed got ready
- 16:39415
- 16:44at the house about separation
- 16:48did you guys talk about Nikki
- 16:51she accused me of like all right well
- 16:54you know
- 16:55is there somebody else sure
- 16:57okay he denied it yeah okay because she
- 17:00brought up like you know like Mom is
- 17:02there a 68 dollar charts I'm in it the
- 17:04other night okay I was there two of you
- 17:06and then once with two of you wasn't
- 17:08this okay that's me
- 17:11okay so it sounds like at that time
- 17:13there was maybe you weren't quite ready
- 17:14to say
- 17:16everything
- 17:19I couldn't say it okay
- 17:22I've already tried hard enough I
- 17:24couldn't I couldn't I couldn't say that
- 17:25okay
- 17:28what did she say
- 17:29I just told her like oh this separation
- 17:32has to be like I want separation okay
- 17:35is there any idea to sell the house of
- 17:37yours
- 17:38she initiated the realtor the week
- 17:40before an email why
- 17:43because we were talking about the
- 17:45marital issues just like well
- 17:47you can't live afford to live on our own
- 17:50well she can't afford to live on her own
- 17:51I can't afford the moment so she's like
- 17:53you need it
- 17:54contact me and you can see and who would
- 17:57you contact
- 17:58well she's got that and our realtor and
- 18:01yeah okay
- 18:03would Ann say the same thing that your
- 18:05wife caught initiated the contract okay
- 18:07sure
- 18:09and then on Monday I was I texted her to
- 18:12see if she could what she could do okay
- 18:15and that's in there too you're fired
- 18:17into that
- 18:18tell me about the pregnancy symptoms are
- 18:20you ready or hers
- 18:21she said about she's about 80 20. well
- 18:24I'll know I only did the pros and cons
- 18:26of it like after she got after she got
- 18:29pregnant she told her about that it was
- 18:31mainly my idea it's intern yeah I mean
- 18:35it was
- 18:36I wanted boy did you want to get
- 18:38pregnant okay and then after the fact
- 18:40she said it was mainly me that wanted
- 18:43and she was about you know
- 18:45because you're set me 30 against it at
- 18:47that point like she would tell her
- 18:48friends that you know I was like what 70
- 18:5130 against it like why
- 18:53okay
- 19:01can you understand that some of this
- 19:02just doesn't make sense
- 19:09how is it possible that a woman and two
- 19:12kids are just completely gone off the
- 19:14face of the Earth
- 19:16I've
- 19:18I have nothing on my hands that's I did
- 19:21nothing to those kids or her
- 19:24to make them vanish
- 19:27so tell me what happened I believe you
- 19:30that you didn't
- 19:34you didn't know I left I mean it's on
- 19:36video that I left and I was in my truck
- 19:38I didn't like load anything into my
- 19:40truck besides my tools my container my
- 19:43book bag my water jug my lunch box okay
- 19:46then what happened
- 19:49I drove out of the driveway you know
- 19:51before you drove out of the driveway
- 19:52what happened with your wife and your
- 19:54kids I didn't do anything like that
- 19:57they were still in the house
- 19:59where are they where do they go
- 20:02I sir I really don't know
- 20:04your wife's not the type of person to
- 20:05vanish I know she's not she had 10
- 20:07things on her schedule that meant
- 20:09there the next day that day the day
- 20:11after that with friends with a doctor
- 20:13okay she didn't leave because she wanted
- 20:16to okay that's what happened
- 20:19to her birthday kids
- 20:24I didn't do anything it wasn't an
- 20:26accident there was no accident I don't
- 20:28know if there was an accident in the
- 20:29house I wasn't there for it
- 20:31it's a big deal if it's an accident
- 20:33because we can work with that Chris
- 20:35may be what happened there's no I did
- 20:38not cause an accident I didn't do
- 20:40anything to my wife and kids
- 20:44which is a misunderstanding there's
- 20:46something to say like we had that talk
- 20:50there was an interesting where I I
- 20:51didn't tell her about the affair
- 20:55okay I didn't okay that was a
- 20:57misunderstanding question
- 20:58misunderstanding yeah good but
- 21:02I probably should have told her right
- 21:04then honestly I mean everything was out
- 21:06on the table anyway right I should have
- 21:09told her right then
- 21:10but I didn't because I I just couldn't
- 21:13put myself to do it
- 21:15what was your plan what were you gonna
- 21:16do I mean how is your separation going
- 21:18to work
- 21:20like once we got separated and I would
- 21:23get my own place and then I mean
- 21:2950 50s just played with the kids that's
- 21:31what I was hoping
- 21:33don't worry about Nikki
- 21:36take it slow and see if you know if
- 21:39anything develops like
- 21:42um
- 21:42you know at my own place
- 21:51I just find it hard to hear you talk
- 21:54about disease having this emotional
- 21:57you know conversation with Shannon and
- 22:00you're bawling and crying together
- 22:02and you have not shed one tear in two
- 22:05days that you've been here no not one
- 22:08and I helped me understand that because
- 22:10I don't get it you're these are your
- 22:13baby girls
- 22:15and you have not shed one tear
- 22:18over them not being around
- 22:23Chris I lose my four-year-old in the
- 22:26store for 10 seconds and I start to go
- 22:29panic panic
- 22:31I have not seen any of that from you at
- 22:35all
- 22:38I would never do anything just because I
- 22:40haven't shed a tear
- 22:42yeah so that's weird is that weird
- 22:45don't don't
- 22:47look into that like I don't love myself
- 22:49you're
- 22:51crazy
- 22:53yeah
- 22:59I have them right now you're not reading
- 23:02stories to them at night you're not
- 23:04giving them Midnight snacks
- 23:06you're not giving them their medicine
- 23:08you're not waking up with him in the
- 23:10morning
- 23:12I know this like I so that should cause
- 23:14you pain it does cause pain
- 23:17but I don't see that
- 23:19I don't see that I want to see the Chris
- 23:21that cares I want to find Chris that you
- 23:23know feels bad about what he did and
- 23:25wants to
- 23:26you know get this off his chest and be
- 23:28done with this and let us find your
- 23:30little girls so that they're not out
- 23:32there in the middle of a field or
- 23:34whatever somewhere
- 23:35like don't do that I love those girls to
- 23:38show us that show us that
- 23:42show us this crisp not this Chris I'm
- 23:45not I'm not showing you that I'm I'm
- 23:48showing you the Chris that cares about
- 23:49his girl and his wife just because I
- 23:52haven't shed a tear it shouldn't make
- 23:53you feel like I haven't that the love
- 23:55isn't there for them
- 23:58it's weird
- 24:00I understand that you have to I I
- 24:02totally see where you're coming from
- 24:05trust me like there's nothing
- 24:08just because people can be pushed to the
- 24:11point where they do something that they
- 24:13regret
- 24:14it happens every single day oh no
- 24:17but part of what makes you a man is the
- 24:20guy that goes fucked up
- 24:24but this is what I did and I'm going to
- 24:26pay for what I did and I'm going to tell
- 24:27you what I did and I'm gonna
- 24:30be honest about it
- 24:32Chris we can keep talking to you once we
- 24:34find these girls okay but once we find
- 24:36these girls and your wife right no
- 24:38matter how we find them no matter what
- 24:40condition they're in
- 24:41we can keep talking to you you can tell
- 24:43us guys it's not as bad as it looks and
- 24:47you can say
- 24:48let me tell you what happened I was
- 24:50never comfortable with you Graham or
- 24:52with you Tammy I wasn't comfortable yet
- 24:53but now that everything's known now that
- 24:56the girls are found and shenan's found
- 24:58however they're found it's okay we can
- 25:01keep talking to you Chris did she man do
- 25:04something to them no I don't know I'm
- 25:06curious I have no clue no you wouldn't
- 25:08know because they didn't leave the house
- 25:10like well did you man do something to
- 25:13them and then did you feel like you had
- 25:15to do something to Shania
- 25:18they were at the house when I left
- 25:21they were there
- 25:23they weren't there they didn't leave
- 25:25they vanished
- 25:29they only
- 25:31way they could have left is in your
- 25:33truck
- 25:34there's no way because like I didn't
- 25:36just throw them in my truck
- 25:39you know your truck and GPS yes right
- 25:42yes because you've told your boss like
- 25:43hey I'm going this preparation I may be
- 25:45staying at a friend's house whatever you
- 25:47know that thing pings every 10 seconds
- 25:49yep so we will know
- 25:52exactly
- 25:55where you went and your company's giving
- 25:57that to us I know okay
- 26:01are we not asking the right question
- 26:03you're asking all the questions all the
- 26:05questions what are we not asking you
- 26:06right what are we doing wrong I'm not
- 26:08doing anything wrong
- 26:19I think she did anything to these kids
- 26:21we both love them in all our hearts
- 26:23there's no way
- 26:24because it was an accident
- 26:27something happened in the house that you
- 26:29know about
- 26:30you failed the polygraph test scores
- 26:32this is not about did you leave and your
- 26:34wife vanished and you didn't know
- 26:35anything about it that was not what you
- 26:37were asked okay
- 26:39we know that something happened to all
- 26:41three of them but I want to know
- 26:44if something happened to these baby
- 26:46girls first that you had to take into
- 26:48your own hands and deal with you had to
- 26:50clean it up Porsche yeah
- 26:55Crisco tell us
- 26:57there's something that happened to these
- 26:59baby girls
- 27:10before he came in I was watching videos
- 27:15we have no doubt you loved
- 27:21love and no doubt
- 27:23but we make mistakes
- 27:26that's okay
- 27:28because what we do with those mistakes
- 27:30that make us who we are
- 27:35crazy it seems like I'm thinking about
- 27:45thinking about this I feel like you
- 27:46cleaned up for her
- 27:50I feel like that's the type of guy that
- 27:52you are
- 28:01which one of these that's the breathing
- 28:03thing
- 28:05well they both have inhalers but she she
- 28:07has the eoe
- 28:09and stuff with esophagitis
- 28:11did she have problems breathing
- 28:17probably like with her allergies and
- 28:20whatnot I think if she had anything nice
- 28:22but she's tattooism with the endoscopies
- 28:24and everything in the surgery as I told
- 28:25you about
- 28:27do you think she had trouble breathing
- 28:28that night
- 28:30and Shannon freaked out
- 28:33and didn't want to live without her baby
- 28:36girl
- 28:43did you hear about the homicide that
- 28:45happened in Aurora or the guy beat that
- 28:48family to death as a Balkan hammer
- 28:53the only person that survived was a
- 28:54three-year-old
- 28:55sibling
- 28:57and actually grew up to be
- 28:59a total mess
- 29:00no family no Mom and Dad
- 29:03your brother or sister
- 29:05by herself
- 29:09she says I wish I could have died with
- 29:10them
- 29:12and there are times that people freak
- 29:15out I've seen it I mean I've been in
- 29:17love for some for almost 20 years I've
- 29:19seen it
- 29:21parents freak out and they're like oh my
- 29:24God like I can't
- 29:26have my baby girls live without each
- 29:29other their best friends
- 29:32to my twins they're you know they wake
- 29:35each other up in the morning
- 29:38and I understand that
- 29:43we had a mom in Castle Rock
- 29:46that suffocated both for baby girls
- 29:53I just my husband was going to take them
- 29:55and
- 29:56she couldn't just couldn't hear I
- 29:58thought I was doing right by them
- 30:02I thought I was saving them pain
- 30:07and I get it why
- 30:13it didn't have to live without their mom
- 30:20of course this is a weight that's going
- 30:22to be on you for the rest of your life
- 30:23until we resolve it tonight
- 30:27unless we can talk about this more
- 30:28tonight
- 30:29we're gonna follow you forever
- 30:31I promise you when you start talking to
- 30:33us you will feel better
- 30:35I know you already felt better about
- 30:36getting the Nikki off your chest
- 30:39please please don't like involve further
- 30:41than this or anything like that see
- 30:45you gotta help me help me I don't know
- 30:47thanks for giving you a Lifeline right
- 30:49now you need to take it you need to
- 30:50reach out and take it
- 30:58she had that dress on
- 31:00like
- 31:03on the dates I don't know
- 31:05it wasn't this
- 31:07but she had bedrooms on because I
- 31:09remember I had two buttons on the back
- 31:12I take them off should I get a program
- 31:14on that night
- 31:16did you guys make sure they were warm
- 31:18when they left the house
- 31:21we'll make sure they were warm
- 31:25and they're they're always warm they're
- 31:27they always have
- 31:28when they're in their beds are always
- 31:30worn
- 31:34women taking care of them at the very
- 31:36end
- 31:38they're always they're they're always
- 31:40taken care of they're always they never
- 31:42miss a meal
- 31:49you took them out of the house with
- 31:51their blankets and their animals
- 31:55like that's because you cared
- 32:00that's why Karen died
- 32:02I mean I'm always caring for these kids
- 32:04there's nothing in this invisible
- 32:07for my life
- 32:13I believe that
- 32:16I believe that I believe someone made a
- 32:18mistake whether it was you you or Shania
- 32:22and you've either cleaned up after
- 32:23shenan or you made the mistake and
- 32:27I want to believe that maybe shenan did
- 32:29it and you felt compelled to
- 32:33fix this so shenan didn't look bad
- 32:37that's what that's what I want to
- 32:38believe
- 32:41but I don't know you're not telling me
- 32:43that so it makes me think the worst like
- 32:45if you I did that to all three of them
- 32:53tell us Chris
- 32:57chicks are crazy can I was talking to my
- 32:59dad or something
- 33:01do you want to bring him in here
- 33:06that flew across the country
- 33:08how about this
- 33:11if we brought your dad in here would you
- 33:14please tell him what happened
- 33:19here for like five or six hours and I'm
- 33:22like
- 33:23absolutely Chris
- 33:27it's not going to feel any better
- 33:31he deserves an answer
- 33:34it's your best friend
- 33:39there's only one person you wanted here
- 33:41lost your dad yes
- 33:45what would you tell him
- 33:48I I love them
- 33:53I just want to be by my side
- 33:59he knows more than we do the Arabic man
- 34:03and he knows
- 34:05as much as you want a protection your
- 34:07wife
- 34:11I think he would tell you to do the
- 34:12right thing
- 34:14before we get him
- 34:15can I go out there and talk to him
- 34:17well I don't know that you want to do it
- 34:19up there because there's a lot of people
- 34:20going through the Halls should we bring
- 34:22them in here
- 34:31we just asked a couple more questions
- 34:40it seems like you're about to
- 34:42get her off her chest
- 34:48is there any way that you can help us
- 34:50understand
- 34:52more about Shania and why maybe
- 34:55something happened
- 34:57so that we don't get a bad picture about
- 35:00her
- 35:03what I mean is
- 35:05what happened at night with her
- 35:10firstly after I talked to her
- 35:12with the girls
- 35:16it's like when we were having that
- 35:18conversation in bed there
- 35:22uh
- 35:24and I talked to her about separation in
- 35:27the house and just asking about the
- 35:29affair and
- 35:31that's that's how that conversation went
- 35:34and God she was destroyed she she had
- 35:36like mascara on her face all that I'm
- 35:39gonna do this
- 35:40that was emotional
- 35:43well how about this
- 35:46if we bring in your dad
- 35:48will you promised maybe I'll talk to him
- 35:53or you promised me to go tell him
- 35:54everything
- 35:57would it be easier if you told him than
- 35:59he told us
- 36:06I don't know if that's even easier
- 36:09or not I think you're the type of guy
- 36:10that
- 36:11needs to take responsibility because you
- 36:13always have taken responsibility you've
- 36:15always knew the right choice
- 36:16so I guess I'm just worried that if we
- 36:19bring your dad in here
- 36:21that could distract you
- 36:24what do you think
- 36:27that distract me from like talking to
- 36:29you yeah
- 36:31okay
- 36:35all right I know you'll do the right
- 36:38thing I do
- 36:39I don't know how long it's going to take
- 36:45I think that you need to think a little
- 36:46bit more about then
- 36:48okay
- 36:49you need to realize that your dad is not
- 36:51going to stop loving you no matter what
- 36:52you tell him you are his child
- 36:55and you will not stop loving you
- 36:59never and this is not the last chapter
- 37:02in any one story
- 37:13he's been here the whole time
- 37:15you know he didn't want to leave you
- 37:18have you ever seen uh sometimes when an
- 37:22animal's owner dies they stick around
- 37:24forever having Mr dad
- 37:32poor guy didn't want to leave today okay
- 37:36so keep that in mind
- 37:40he wants to hear it all
- 37:48okay
- 38:18I know
- 38:24what's going on
- 38:25[Music]
- 38:27and it's uh polygraph
- 38:30y failed it
- 38:32failed Americans there's just too much
- 38:35emotions it's
- 38:37so I mean they're
- 38:40not gonna let me go
- 38:46there's any reason why they shouldn't
- 38:48much another thing
- 38:50they know I had affair
- 38:54and and I know
- 38:56I can't think about that
- 39:08anything else you won't tell me what's
- 39:09what's going on or what happened or
- 39:12anything but
- 39:16we had that conversation that morning it
- 39:18was
- 39:21you know emotional it was
- 39:24told her about separation and everything
- 39:25like that
- 39:38I'm gonna help me downstairs
- 39:49well I don't want to protect her
- 39:52you don't want to protect me
- 39:55I don't know what else to say
- 40:23she started her with the kids
- 40:26paper
- 40:33oh
- 40:54go ahead and hear anything
- 40:58it came back up
- 41:00and they're gone
- 41:07out on the light in the top top 10 I'm
- 41:09talking to her about
- 41:13that I'm not talking about separation
- 41:15and everything about things
- 41:18I don't know like what else to say like
- 41:28that's on my kids
- 41:33foreign
- 42:07and went back upstairs and she has never
- 42:11seen anything
- 42:17[Music]
- 42:27they're blue
- 42:30each other
- 42:32I forgot the machine
- 42:45accomplish
- 42:53Ed like it's called cops about it
- 43:00there's no one to do all of the bodies
- 43:02off or something
- 43:07I didn't know what else
- 43:10nothing else to do didn't know what to
- 43:13do
- 43:15Spanish
- 43:25foreign
- 44:12um like in her heart I know she knew
- 44:13about the affair she just was waiting
- 44:15for me to say something for me to deny
- 44:17it again I think she would have lost it
- 44:21and she went off and told her about
- 44:23and that's the crying like happened
- 45:02I didn't tell her how much you just knew
- 45:04you just know
- 45:07you did not all along she doesn't know
- 45:33operational type
- 45:35so they're well I think she's new like
- 45:37if it was happening but I just denied it
- 45:56I'm going to deliver before from that of
- 45:58separation
- 46:02yeah
- 46:05she was hoping we go to counseling or
- 46:07something
- 46:19she lost it
- 46:22and lives
- 46:27at home too
- 46:43um
- 47:17you know
- 47:50last time
- 47:53until I come back to another day again
- 48:10you know again
- 48:24separation
- 48:27all right let's know if there was going
- 48:29on but we just profusely denied it
- 48:33and then
- 48:35I might totally Unchained all those new
- 48:37films
- 48:42for children
- 49:10range
- 49:20[Music]
- 49:34foreign
- 50:07after that conversation we had
- 50:10she accused me of the affair and I've
- 50:12seen in our hearts you know
- 50:15what was going on and she knew about the
- 50:17day the other night too screw because I
- 50:20mean
- 50:23about right now that was fun I told her
- 50:26I went to a Rockies game I went up to
- 50:29Bedford
- 50:34and I went downstairs
- 50:38but
- 50:44um
- 50:44we're you know who I wanted him to call
- 50:47the separation
- 50:50and that's the little one
- 51:00downstairs
- 51:04started packing up a few things and I
- 51:06heard us a couple things upstairs but
- 51:07anything of it
- 51:12opportunities
- 51:15get ready
- 51:34to talk to her again
- 51:39I saw him under
- 51:44those covers are like pulled off and
- 51:46shoes
- 51:47laying there
- 51:58it's like a little bit
- 52:02she was whenever
- 52:12freaked out
- 52:16all right on there I got on top of her
- 53:01I don't know what dude
- 53:10what happened
- 53:13there
- 53:17prescription
- 53:39that's right back in our bed
- 53:47s
- 53:52no idea
- 54:01like both my kids are blue and they're
- 54:04gone
- 54:12and just like blind just
- 54:18a person like
- 54:19history
- 54:21she hurt my kids
- 54:28like I didn't say anything to her
- 54:36what happened after singing in your bed
- 54:43in there
- 54:45do you know what to do
- 54:50she's acting
- 54:54just covered her up
- 55:24I really know
- 55:34because
- 55:42it's just the hard part
- 55:48Medical
- 55:50okay oh my God there's an opening in the
- 55:54back
- 55:55so where are they
- 56:13at that first location I went to that
- 56:15day
- 56:221519
- 56:25my location
- 56:31right there off the place
- 56:34you picked outside
- 56:42in there
- 56:52I don't know what to do
- 56:54I know I didn't know what to fucking do
- 56:58like mothers whether this makes sense
- 57:01why would she hurt my fucking girls
- 57:11took recording in something you know
- 57:13they under the ground like
- 57:17how would you find them
- 57:21you take a job there
- 57:34you and me and your dad
- 57:38we can help you just get him out of a
- 57:40cold
- 57:41you know take care of him for the last
- 57:43time
- 57:56I'm sorry
- 58:00I know you are
- 58:04I know you came in today to do the right
- 58:06thing
- 58:09you don't have to come in you came in I
- 58:12don't know
- 58:40huh
- 58:42please don't take anything less than me
- 58:50are they all three out there yes okay
- 58:55okay
- 59:03[Music]
- 59:07you saw it it's a monitor okay that's
- 59:11why I write in there
- 59:14don't you think
- 59:18they were awesome
- 59:22blue
- 59:27and it's a step line right that did the
- 59:29same thing to her
- 59:39did you ever go into Bella's room
- 59:44let's approaching it back in that's no
- 59:47professor and wonder
- 59:49the waist is laying the bed just
- 59:51sprawled out
- 59:58gotten packed up there
- 1:00:00special stuff
- 1:00:03what's the word you put on
- 1:00:05get them out there
- 1:00:10which part
- 1:00:12icipated
- 1:00:15foreign
- 1:00:48this is the same thing
- 1:00:57did Shannon fight back at all
- 1:01:05the rage that I had after seeing that
- 1:01:07night
- 1:01:18how do you know Shazam was dead
- 1:01:23smooth
- 1:01:38um
- 1:01:39our Facebook page like two days ago
- 1:01:43yeah there's like four or five foot long
- 1:01:46maybe no yeah
- 1:01:51Shannon yeah
- 1:01:56and keep his voice
- 1:02:11what what do you say to this
- 1:02:14something similar to that
- 1:02:17um
- 1:02:19just about a sheep over across the head
- 1:02:22oh well Queen City was feet hanging out
- 1:02:24saying like Bella had another
- 1:02:26kid won't do that
- 1:02:30do you remember that Grace
- 1:02:32what do you think
- 1:02:36should I make fun of it
- 1:02:40I thought it was funny
- 1:02:45I don't know
- 1:02:56about their followers
- 1:03:01foreign
- 1:03:32you stayed he wanted to talk you know it
- 1:03:35was going to be hard and still staying
- 1:03:36up with a good man does
- 1:03:41six hours
- 1:03:53I'm not afraid to come out and say about
- 1:03:54the kids they
- 1:03:56they don't know
- 1:03:58if you don't know when you look good
- 1:04:04foreign
- 1:04:27[Music]
- 1:04:38foreign
- 1:05:14are you trying to save Cece
- 1:05:17it's hard
- 1:05:19it's one of the movies
- 1:05:22like that
- 1:05:33where did you put them out there because
- 1:05:35that's really important
- 1:05:47all right
- 1:06:06counting something are they under
- 1:06:07something
- 1:06:10I don't know what else to do
- 1:06:13I know I didn't know what else to do I
- 1:06:16was so scared I know
- 1:06:20I think oh I just did this that's did
- 1:06:22that
- 1:06:23what do I do
- 1:06:26anything that I would do from that was
- 1:06:28just going to be
- 1:06:30instances and just a horrible thing
- 1:06:36you're into spawn and I think what can
- 1:06:38you do right
- 1:06:40because your body just kind of takes up
- 1:07:21I'm sure
- 1:07:29what's gonna happen
- 1:07:32we're gonna help him get out of there
- 1:07:36he's like what
- 1:07:38would you prefer them when you're one of
- 1:07:40your co-workers oh my God no no no no
- 1:07:42I don't know
- 1:07:53everybody thinks of a good man they're
- 1:07:55going to see this you're like what the
- 1:07:57fuck did you do Chris it was like I
- 1:07:59should go to California
- 1:08:01well they weren't in your shoes they
- 1:08:02don't know they won't live in your life
- 1:08:04I know but still it's sick
- 1:08:07I can't remember like
- 1:08:12we'll just go a little steps at a time
- 1:08:17okay
- 1:08:24this is there's good for their own
- 1:08:26opinions anyways
- 1:08:27let's figure everything out anyway
- 1:08:30we'll just take a little steps tonight
- 1:08:32then how about that
- 1:08:39do you have to have any of them with you
- 1:08:40no no what do you prefer you can you and
- 1:08:43me and Tammy and Ronnie get in the car
- 1:08:45and just drive out there
- 1:08:48this point
- 1:08:51Chris I know they're gone but they're
- 1:08:53still your babies and you're still there
- 1:08:59you go watch someone else to find them
- 1:09:03you know I promise you
- 1:09:20'll take us
- 1:09:26foreign
- 1:09:57foreign
- 1:10:06[Music]
- 1:10:30foreign
- 1:11:12foreign
- 1:11:16[Music]
- 1:11:39anything by broadcasting any of this
- 1:11:42that's not what law enforcement is
- 1:11:43everybody about so we're entire best to
- 1:11:46handle that as discreetly as possible
- 1:11:48but
- 1:11:50to
- 1:11:53I'm not familiar with my bottom up
- 1:11:55around here either I've only been here a
- 1:11:58few years
- 1:12:00with another lawyer or something for
- 1:12:02another public defender but somebody
- 1:12:03else
- 1:12:09get your phone
- 1:12:10you've got it okay
- 1:12:20so if you go for it we'll talk a little
- 1:12:21bit more
- 1:12:24I think we have a picture is it serving
- 1:12:27319
- 1:12:28I think we have a picture
- 1:12:31I'm kind of walk you through that I'm
- 1:12:33sure you have a ton of questions for us
- 1:12:34about you know how your night month and
- 1:12:37week is going to look
- 1:12:39um
- 1:12:41somebody's just telling him
- 1:12:43I'm going to show him that picture yeah
- 1:12:48and then we're going to talk a little
- 1:12:49bit about how the rest of the night's
- 1:12:50gonna go
- 1:12:52um that looks familiar to you what is
- 1:12:54that the VRC service or anything okay
- 1:12:59we're about
- 1:13:01just a man and the girls
- 1:13:06how old is this picture
- 1:13:08today
- 1:13:28can you work it for me
- 1:13:41I think it's the Pittsburgh
- 1:13:47man okay and where are the girls at
- 1:13:51mm-hmm
- 1:13:52Denise him so which one is do you know
- 1:13:55which one
- 1:14:00are they in the tanks
- 1:14:03can somebody who doesn't know what
- 1:14:04they're doing open notes
- 1:14:09it's an extra oil and water
- 1:14:17tell me the sheet from down here what is
- 1:14:20that from
- 1:14:22the Chanel was wrapped in
- 1:14:25what about the curlies
- 1:14:32I hope they're blankets or anything
- 1:14:36bring their blankets and toys and stuff
- 1:14:38though
- 1:14:40probably a blue American orange or
- 1:14:41something right here
- 1:14:44or did you shut them or put them
- 1:14:47right here with us
- 1:14:52so how did you dig this out I was doing
- 1:14:55this under cert
- 1:14:57how did you take that
- 1:15:00smell what's up it's like a workshop
- 1:15:03is it still there
- 1:15:13tuition interest
- 1:15:25her underwear
- 1:15:30sure they're black or gray
- 1:15:32blue
- 1:15:38how much time pass do you think from the
- 1:15:41time that
- 1:15:42is back in the bed
- 1:15:45until you
- 1:15:46put them in the truck
- 1:16:05I'm not sure
- 1:16:09we're talking minutes hours
- 1:16:11something else
- 1:16:15when I left the house you know like from
- 1:16:18when you got her in the bed to when you
- 1:16:21put him in the trunk
- 1:16:23how long did that
- 1:16:24how long the time was that
- 1:16:32that's like when
- 1:16:34pushing it in my truck from from the bed
- 1:16:36to the Truck Yeah from your master bed
- 1:16:39to the truck you know
- 1:16:45are you talking about covering her up or
- 1:16:47something
- 1:16:47yeah
- 1:16:49she
- 1:16:56is there anything else about anything
- 1:16:57out here that
- 1:16:59has stuff that you've left in certain
- 1:17:02spots or
- 1:17:03you sure they're blankets and toys
- 1:17:05aren't going to be in there as well
- 1:17:07not because it was regular addiction
- 1:17:14can you do me a huge favor and just
- 1:17:16write your name on the bottom
- 1:17:20make those marks
- 1:17:25I'm just going to write the date on
- 1:17:31date on it's made 15 18.
- 1:17:34at 5 56.
- 1:17:43okay
- 1:17:50um
- 1:17:52and the girls with their pajamas were
- 1:17:58both
- 1:18:00nightgowns
- 1:18:05Celeste I think was that pink one with
- 1:18:08the like herbs on it okay
- 1:18:11those was
- 1:18:13their unicorn I believe on it
- 1:18:17okay
- 1:18:19so it sounds like I mean it feels like
- 1:18:21to me now we know pretty well how to go
- 1:18:23get him is there anything else we need
- 1:18:25to know
- 1:18:41think about how to get them yeah
- 1:18:44just uh does someone have to climb them
- 1:18:46to the top and unscrew something and
- 1:18:48then lower something down to get them
- 1:18:50they're like
- 1:18:52it's just a hatch from the top and
- 1:18:54they're like 20 foot tanks
- 1:18:56far down are they
- 1:19:00wherever the food that was in the tank
- 1:19:02I'm not sure okay what was it when you
- 1:19:05were there I don't know
- 1:19:10sorry
- 1:19:12you may go out there
- 1:19:15I don't think so would you prefer not to
- 1:19:16I didn't know if you needed help going
- 1:19:19getting there you know you know I don't
- 1:19:21know um I think once we got that picture
- 1:19:23because we didn't really know how much
- 1:19:27about the location that the other police
- 1:19:29officers knew that it sounds like they
- 1:19:31knew somehow right right how to get to
- 1:19:34319 so and I think that's how they got
- 1:19:37that picture
- 1:19:44does your um
- 1:19:47does your Nanny came
- 1:19:50do you have that camera
- 1:19:51it's a monitor are you monitor it is
- 1:19:54Video One
- 1:19:55it's like it Cycles back and forth
- 1:19:57between one probably the room oh okay
- 1:20:00okay
- 1:20:02is there any chance it records
- 1:20:15just knowing that at the fair or
- 1:20:19she knew she just needed me to admit it
- 1:20:21and I would admit it yeah
- 1:20:23okay
- 1:20:27so we just started talking about
- 1:20:29um I asked him if there's any chance
- 1:20:30that the nanny cam could have recorded
- 1:20:33doing what she did
- 1:20:35and then we kind of we were just getting
- 1:20:37into
- 1:20:38you know
- 1:20:39what Chris thinks about why she's found
- 1:20:42um
- 1:20:43who's his family
- 1:20:44distress from knowing about the other
- 1:20:47girl
- 1:20:52knowing that she didn't really know
- 1:20:53right I mean she knew
- 1:21:06can we talk about a couple tough things
- 1:21:10um I think we need to get it out of the
- 1:21:11way
- 1:21:12and just really get it out just to make
- 1:21:15sure you have every chance to explain
- 1:21:18exactly what happened and we have every
- 1:21:19chance to ask questions
- 1:21:22um
- 1:21:23so the conversation happened
- 1:21:27you go downstairs
- 1:21:29she's still upstairs and then you see
- 1:21:32what
- 1:21:33I heard this commotion upstairs just
- 1:21:36like you know like
- 1:21:38okay
- 1:21:42in the beginning of it
- 1:21:53so it's not as though that annoys me to
- 1:21:55run up you just found it okay
- 1:22:02let's look at the Monitor and
- 1:22:05it feels unbelt and where is the monitor
- 1:22:08where's the screen that you look at is
- 1:22:09it up or downstairs it's upstairs okay
- 1:22:12so you go upstairs look at the monitor
- 1:22:13yeah oh you're a master bedroom okay
- 1:22:16yeah all right
- 1:22:17it's still right there okay
- 1:22:22and it's on Bella her covers were pulled
- 1:22:25back she was just called out laying
- 1:22:27there
- 1:22:31and then it cycled over and so they got
- 1:22:32three four five seconds
- 1:22:36like interval between when they when it
- 1:22:38Cycles from the room
- 1:22:41and cycle it over the series room
- 1:22:43that's when I saw her on top of her
- 1:22:45that's not right now
- 1:22:56we don't want anything to be uh
- 1:23:00correct or inaccurate or or anything
- 1:23:02like that
- 1:23:04was your wife on top of CC
- 1:23:08what did that look like I mean was she
- 1:23:10straddling her
- 1:23:12and where were they
- 1:23:14call me back
- 1:23:16and so your wife was on top of it I mean
- 1:23:18squishy 11 minutes that's that's when I
- 1:23:21was walking out from the back okay
- 1:23:23I see a song in the back yeah yeah but
- 1:23:25she was doing this it looked like it was
- 1:23:27like this yeah okay
- 1:23:28and then was she she face up face down
- 1:23:33to the side oh she's laying on her side
- 1:23:35okay that's when I pulled her off okay
- 1:23:40she was blue okay there's no movement at
- 1:23:43all
- 1:23:44she was limp and blue her limping in
- 1:23:46blue blue and blue okay it's like her
- 1:23:48body it was like right he took it arm up
- 1:23:51and then Falls okay
- 1:23:54and then what happened
- 1:23:56I looked at her and I just
- 1:23:59on top of her and
- 1:24:00you're gonna sell some shenan did the
- 1:24:02same thing okay did you have to knock
- 1:24:04her down no
- 1:24:06she was already on the ground I was like
- 1:24:08I just pulled her off on the bed and oh
- 1:24:10kind of one movement okay so it's not as
- 1:24:12though yeah I just pulled it out you
- 1:24:14know like I wanna
- 1:24:16pull her down I said that I I didn't
- 1:24:19know I lost it sure
- 1:24:21is laying on the ground
- 1:24:24on the bed
- 1:24:25yeah like and she was on top
- 1:24:29of older
- 1:24:30and
- 1:24:31um
- 1:24:39sure that's probably a queen of some
- 1:24:41sort okay for those more I think
- 1:25:02so where was the last
- 1:25:04volume to the top to the top yeah
- 1:25:10propulsion and down it was a cross place
- 1:25:26so then if this picture as you're
- 1:25:28standing in the doorway to go in with
- 1:25:31his hand is that we're okay
- 1:25:35and then so were they closer to this
- 1:25:38side or this side
- 1:25:40in the seats in the middle
- 1:25:42and into your worth is right on top of
- 1:25:44her you can just see that and then did
- 1:25:46you pull it this way or that way or both
- 1:25:48where her head was on this side right
- 1:25:51over here yeah on the left if you're
- 1:25:53looking at it okay did you put it fine
- 1:25:56oh oh I lost it so much that it didn't
- 1:26:00feel like she did okay
- 1:26:01you're a pretty strong dude
- 1:26:03[Music]
- 1:26:04um
- 1:26:06um did she
- 1:26:07yelling was she screaming was she
- 1:26:08talking when she's scratching you
- 1:26:10nothing but
- 1:26:13um
- 1:26:13and you guys and stuff
- 1:26:17such anger that nothing I didn't feel
- 1:26:20anything okay
- 1:26:21all right like if she did nothing
- 1:26:23nothing's on me was it quick was it slow
- 1:26:27was it
- 1:26:30also Anonymous felt like it was it was
- 1:26:32over
- 1:26:34Princeton professed okay fell out
- 1:26:38is it possible or next broken
- 1:26:41oh so okay
- 1:26:43never programs about
- 1:26:47all right
- 1:26:49um was it a joke like this or was it
- 1:26:52like a headlock
- 1:27:02like that
- 1:27:07and your wife Michelle her with one hand
- 1:27:09or two hands
- 1:27:10and I just left in the back I couldn't
- 1:27:12really like
- 1:27:12what I tell
- 1:27:18oh she was on top of her
- 1:27:20the monitor is not like
- 1:27:23color it's black and white
- 1:27:25nighttime is black and white okay
- 1:27:30it's dark
- 1:27:31can you because you went up the stairs
- 1:27:33right to talk to
- 1:27:35shenanigan
- 1:27:36and then
- 1:27:38did you think it's weird that she found
- 1:27:39in the room where you left her
- 1:27:41so I walked in and looked around
- 1:27:44saw the Monitor and I saw Bella
- 1:27:47and so started CT pretty fast and that's
- 1:27:49when I saw that
- 1:27:52foreign
- 1:28:06no okay
- 1:28:12people in my family have always said
- 1:28:14she's unstable my friends
- 1:28:16I'd never like would have thought
- 1:28:18too many fucking years
- 1:28:20who says she's unstable
- 1:28:23um my family my friend Mark
- 1:28:27people that have seen her around me
- 1:28:33oh my bad picture of her
- 1:28:35well it doesn't look good I'm not gonna
- 1:28:37lie
- 1:28:39looks actually pretty bad
- 1:28:47these girls you know fell on Cece and
- 1:28:50Shania is it possible when we get them
- 1:28:54that we're going to see anything other
- 1:28:57than the cause of death being her hands
- 1:29:03and what I mean by that and I should be
- 1:29:04very clear
- 1:29:05is that
- 1:29:07um it
- 1:29:09it's some some of it's hard to believe
- 1:29:11that your wife did it or not right you
- 1:29:13can imagine that oh no okay so is it
- 1:29:16possible that
- 1:29:17maybe she
- 1:29:19did one
- 1:29:22and then you got shenan so easy to
- 1:29:25Shannon what she did to one of your
- 1:29:26daughters and then you had to just do it
- 1:29:28to the other one so I think okay
- 1:29:30someone's there that's not no no okay
- 1:29:35is it possible that
- 1:29:37is there any other way where we might
- 1:29:39see your hands on the girl's neck
- 1:29:42and you know what I mean because when we
- 1:29:44find Their little bodies oh no we're
- 1:29:46gonna see the diameter of someone's hand
- 1:29:48yeah and someone's fingers right so is
- 1:29:51it at all possible or no see yours no
- 1:29:54all right and I know it's hard and I
- 1:29:56know you're probably getting angry at my
- 1:29:57question but we have to ask
- 1:30:01um okay
- 1:30:06can you think of that question
- 1:30:11let my family down
- 1:30:15I got my tat down on my mom my sister my
- 1:30:19nephew needs his friends co-workers
- 1:30:26everybody
- 1:30:33can I ask you another tough question
- 1:30:35and just get it all on the table
- 1:30:39shenan
- 1:30:42choking strangling
- 1:30:45for us
- 1:30:48and you get her off of Celeste
- 1:30:51do you think
- 1:30:53um about calling an ambulance
- 1:31:00and I've never seen
- 1:31:02something like that in my life
- 1:31:05I mean she just like way over like
- 1:31:07nothing was moving at all no gas no
- 1:31:11breath
- 1:31:12just totally just oh okay doing the
- 1:31:16shower for a long time no I
- 1:31:20I know a lot of about
- 1:31:22ecology and there's Partners like
- 1:31:24working what people are thinking and
- 1:31:25most parents
- 1:31:27will never even want to Fathom that
- 1:31:30their kids or the kid is dead even if
- 1:31:32their kids stiff blue in bed I mean
- 1:31:35stiff like been dead all night they
- 1:31:37still call the ambulance to see if
- 1:31:39someone can revive their child
- 1:31:42when the animals get that gets there and
- 1:31:44they're like
- 1:31:46that has been dead all night like
- 1:31:48there's nothing we could do the person's
- 1:31:50like what are you why are you not doing
- 1:31:51something what are you talking about
- 1:31:53but that's what I'm that's what we're
- 1:31:54used to so I just that's why I want you
- 1:31:56to explain to me like what was going on
- 1:31:58in your head and where did I felt for
- 1:32:00what she was what she did
- 1:32:04I just took over
- 1:32:13but do you see that yeah
- 1:32:16that's the order coming from those
- 1:32:18parents would still try and call me
- 1:32:19where you're coming from
- 1:32:21wow
- 1:32:39I just I would hate for
- 1:32:42shenan to get a bad rap
- 1:32:44she didn't have anything to do it you
- 1:32:46know it's not fair enough
- 1:32:49yeah
- 1:32:52like enough bad stuff has happened but
- 1:32:54like we need to stop the bad stuff
- 1:33:01that is true
- 1:33:13I want to make sure
- 1:33:18so you're good with the public knowing
- 1:33:19that shenan killed her daughters I did
- 1:33:21not hurt these girls are you okay with
- 1:33:23the public knowing that shenan yes
- 1:33:25because I did not have these girls
- 1:33:32Chris I'm not sure
- 1:33:53if you didn't save them either
- 1:33:57you know
- 1:33:58know that
- 1:34:02I know that should I foundations either
- 1:34:06this makes sense nothing like why she
- 1:34:09would be there any I know this makes
- 1:34:12sense
- 1:34:18you sure didn't touch
- 1:34:20it oh my God no
- 1:34:26no Chris you can imagine that
- 1:34:32we're pretty cynical in our jobs right
- 1:34:34and tonight we've had to talk a lot
- 1:34:37about a lot of things and
- 1:34:42don't get mad but what it looks like is
- 1:34:44that
- 1:34:46you found a new life
- 1:34:48and the only way to get that new elect
- 1:34:49was to get rid of the old life
- 1:34:52and I think that you killed these girls
- 1:34:55before their mom came home and then
- 1:34:57killed him now
- 1:35:00and that's what we're kind of left
- 1:35:01that's what we have to believe because
- 1:35:03it just doesn't make sense I mean to her
- 1:35:06point
- 1:35:07if I walked in and my kid was
- 1:35:09decapitated I call an ambulance right
- 1:35:12knowing there's no hope it just it just
- 1:35:15doesn't make sense it just doesn't add
- 1:35:17up so
- 1:35:19either you're this monster so I just
- 1:35:22want this young hot girlfriend so I'm
- 1:35:24going to kill everyone and hope it works
- 1:35:26out
- 1:35:26for something
- 1:35:29so I think we're very very close to the
- 1:35:32truth but not about there it is
- 1:35:38so if you're not that monster I'm not a
- 1:35:40monster I didn't
- 1:35:43home my babies okay
- 1:35:52so
- 1:35:57I know but you know we're getting later
- 1:36:00into the day we've done this a few times
- 1:36:01and we we talk and we show you a little
- 1:36:06bit of what we're working with some
- 1:36:07evidence and facts that we know and then
- 1:36:08we kind of get our way to the truth
- 1:36:11okay everything absolutely true
- 1:36:16so what's going to happen when their
- 1:36:18cause of death comes back to you for the
- 1:36:20girls not going to okay
- 1:36:22are you sure I'm 100 positive it's not
- 1:36:25going to come back to me
- 1:36:27who's going to come back
- 1:36:29that was on top of CC okay
- 1:36:37I just want the truth
- 1:36:41Bella was laid out sprawling her bed
- 1:36:45and I saw
- 1:36:46shooting on top of see if you start
- 1:36:47raining in there
- 1:36:51and what happens when a coroner looks
- 1:36:54and says it's easy or fingerprints on
- 1:36:56her
- 1:37:00okay what is it going to be
- 1:37:01it's gonna be Shazam
- 1:37:03pretty sure well we don't know about
- 1:37:04Bella Ryan but we don't know about that
- 1:37:07it's just I'm speech now on top of red
- 1:37:10okay that's the commotion I heard
- 1:37:12upstairs you know I'm assuming okay
- 1:37:18why take their bodies out of the house
- 1:37:21and
- 1:37:23how scared I didn't know what else to do
- 1:37:25okay nothing nothing
- 1:37:29was gonna
- 1:37:30I didn't know what to do yeah
- 1:37:33honestly didn't know what to do it
- 1:37:35scared of what
- 1:37:37scared of what everything was gonna look
- 1:37:39like there's my two babies were gone and
- 1:37:41I just did that to my wife
- 1:37:44and I was the only one left in the house
- 1:37:46what do you expect was gonna happen yeah
- 1:37:48they do look bad right hey look I mean
- 1:37:51this was a nightmare yeah
- 1:37:55okay
- 1:37:59this can give them any problems as
- 1:38:01you've had listening
- 1:38:04at the end of the day
- 1:38:06it's too much of a pretty good Mom right
- 1:38:10that was a pretty good dad as well
- 1:38:14apparently known person until you don't
- 1:38:16know a person
- 1:38:26hate for
- 1:38:29someone who can't defend themselves
- 1:38:33like shenan and Bella Angela
- 1:38:37like I mean if if you're not being too
- 1:38:40tall about
- 1:38:42who took their lives
- 1:38:44like that's on them too and you don't
- 1:38:47want to do that to them not doing that
- 1:38:49though
- 1:38:53I understand I mean I'm not doing that
- 1:38:55to them
- 1:39:04I do think you were a good dad I think
- 1:39:06you're I think shenan was a good mom
- 1:39:08I think you guys were doing everything
- 1:39:10you could possibly do for those girls
- 1:39:12and look at them
- 1:39:15why didn't you push your hand on things
- 1:39:27I didn't know what else to do
- 1:39:30how far down is she
- 1:39:37like two feet Maybe
- 1:39:40how long does it take you to take that
- 1:39:44give me an idea
- 1:39:52does anyone ever like go up this ladder
- 1:39:55and like look in things
- 1:39:58so how are you gonna avoid that or is it
- 1:40:01you that does that anybody that goes to
- 1:40:04location
- 1:40:06how often is that done that those tanks
- 1:40:08are checked
- 1:40:13than just their
- 1:40:15making enough oil or whatnot what's a
- 1:40:18leak
- 1:40:19so do you want someone to find them
- 1:40:23and no one else could do something
- 1:40:26that's the location I was going out to
- 1:40:27that morning and that's
- 1:40:30I didn't know what else to do
- 1:40:33so you weren't thinking that far ahead
- 1:40:34no
- 1:40:37no
- 1:40:49yesterday when you were talking
- 1:40:53um and again this is before we kind of
- 1:40:55got to this moment today
- 1:40:57you mentioned that
- 1:41:00we were talking shit I don't know where
- 1:41:01they are I don't know where they are and
- 1:41:03then you said something along the lines
- 1:41:04of whatever happened to him is acted
- 1:41:06pure evil what does that mean
- 1:41:12what is this
- 1:41:14the people that I saw
- 1:41:16a walk behind
- 1:41:17the topic
- 1:41:21too and I thought evil for God did Mr
- 1:41:23Man
- 1:41:27okay
- 1:41:33so
- 1:41:35one other thing that doesn't make sense
- 1:41:36to me
- 1:41:38is well I don't know
- 1:41:47can you walk me through again
- 1:41:50when you walked in what did she look
- 1:41:52like
- 1:41:54what did she she never look like all
- 1:41:55yourselves are back
- 1:41:57was it the same shirt that you buried
- 1:41:58during
- 1:41:59same underwear
- 1:42:01and then when she wearing pajamas
- 1:42:04for that yeah that's what she said oh
- 1:42:07she's been Center everywhere and no
- 1:42:09pajamas no shorts nothing like that so
- 1:42:11then when you grab her
- 1:42:14um just as is that's how she gets to the
- 1:42:16drug and how she gets to the site
- 1:42:22so did Japan ever go to bed
- 1:42:26like I put her back into bed no no like
- 1:42:29when she got home
- 1:42:31did any of that happen where she went
- 1:42:33like she got into bed and then you woke
- 1:42:34her up at four like that too because it
- 1:42:37looks like there's some purchase of some
- 1:42:39hair care products and
- 1:42:43let you know about that
- 1:42:46and her credit card was denied
- 1:42:51you know
- 1:42:52you said you don't really use for credit
- 1:42:54cards though my credit card no would you
- 1:42:57have bought hair care products at 2 30
- 1:42:59in the morning that morning
- 1:43:02did she
- 1:43:03get mad at you because there's no money
- 1:43:07to show about like was that part of this
- 1:43:10is the first I've heard of that
- 1:43:13as far as your hair care products in the
- 1:43:14car are coming tonight I mean
- 1:43:17and I'm not lying about that I'm just
- 1:43:19that's why I'm asking about that is
- 1:43:20something that came up
- 1:43:23is there any reason that she would have
- 1:43:25a black eye Shania
- 1:43:28it's not from a slap or a punch or
- 1:43:31nothing like that whatever okay punch
- 1:43:33yourself
- 1:43:35is there any reason she would have a
- 1:43:36stat mark on her money no
- 1:43:39and no other reason for death
- 1:43:42Coroner's not going to find rat poison
- 1:43:44in her stomach
- 1:43:48the only way that she died she was
- 1:43:50living breathing and wasn't living
- 1:43:52breathing after your hands on her neck
- 1:44:09what were you talking to
- 1:44:11Nikki about before your wife got home
- 1:44:17of course you go
- 1:44:19you talked for like several hours
- 1:44:23and we talk a lot
- 1:44:26conversations
- 1:44:28random conversations we talk a lot
- 1:44:32does Nikki know about any of this
- 1:44:35seriously
- 1:44:37no way I mean she knows like from the
- 1:44:40news and everything like that
- 1:44:43anything else you can show her anything
- 1:44:48does she know your wife was pregnant
- 1:44:50she doesn't know and I told her that
- 1:44:53she didn't know at the time
- 1:44:55how come you didn't tell her I was
- 1:44:58scared too
- 1:45:01I felt like you know
- 1:45:05like she wasn't even like gone on a date
- 1:45:07with me and she knew that so it's
- 1:45:11did she know you were married with kids
- 1:45:13yes okay but just not pregnant yes
- 1:45:19that's all that you know like we were we
- 1:45:21were actively tried
- 1:45:23before we met
- 1:45:26um trying to get pregnant okay
- 1:45:32um you can imagine that when we go talk
- 1:45:34to people going forward everyone's going
- 1:45:37to try to distance themselves from any
- 1:45:39of this yes and so it's what's going to
- 1:45:42happen when Nikki says no it was our
- 1:45:44plan to kill everyone and run off
- 1:45:45together
- 1:45:51we were going to talk to her absolutely
- 1:45:53we have to
- 1:45:58so can we eat ahead of that for you can
- 1:46:01we can hold that out right now I mean so
- 1:46:04are you sure she's not going to say oh I
- 1:46:06kind of knew he was going to kill him no
- 1:46:07she's not going to say no okay
- 1:46:10and she's not gonna say boy we were
- 1:46:12making plans about buying a house or an
- 1:46:14apartment she can say that like she
- 1:46:17really gives us
- 1:46:18like once I had my own place like you
- 1:46:20know like hang out more okay
- 1:46:22so after this information after that
- 1:46:24dust settled then you would have
- 1:46:26availability to go scenicing can you
- 1:46:29send talks like that
- 1:46:30yeah I mean like she generally like me
- 1:46:37please don't put her name out there
- 1:46:45so it's just like that we we never try
- 1:46:47to put out but I'm just really but you
- 1:46:49guys that they got from an affair they
- 1:46:51would they would drag her through the
- 1:46:53mud I don't want that you know we're
- 1:46:55certainly not going to try to make that
- 1:46:56happen
- 1:46:59ing I know this press conference except
- 1:47:04everything
- 1:47:10so what do you think about everything
- 1:47:11now
- 1:47:18you feel sorry for what you did
- 1:47:21I wish I would I would have lost some
- 1:47:23control
- 1:47:30and then did that
- 1:47:34one
- 1:47:36thing yes
- 1:47:49um
- 1:48:03so after we after we look at their
- 1:48:05bodies
- 1:48:06we're gonna have a lot more questions
- 1:48:09things are going to be different than
- 1:48:11if you're willing we'd love to talk to
- 1:48:13you then too
- 1:48:27he's really good today Chris
- 1:48:29really good
- 1:48:30I think you have about 24 hours of
- 1:48:34not just a hellish nightmare thrust upon
- 1:48:36you and
- 1:48:37you know you certainly did what you did
- 1:48:38but
- 1:48:39I think into collages to make it better
- 1:48:41today
- 1:48:44sorry I'll ask you last night before
- 1:48:46everybody
- 1:48:51I'm not okay you were here for a reason
- 1:48:54well there's a reason why I didn't
- 1:48:57that I came in because
- 1:49:01that's the reason why I come in with a
- 1:49:02lawyer agreement so it's like kind of
- 1:49:04this is gonna happen so
- 1:49:08we appreciate that
- 1:49:24you know eventually they were gonna find
- 1:49:26them out there
- 1:49:28so it was kind of inevitable
- 1:49:31and you were just been sitting at home
- 1:49:33waiting for that moment to happen
- 1:49:38and then one then what does it look like
- 1:49:41it looks
- 1:49:51probably
- 1:49:57there's many people that say that you're
- 1:49:59an amazing guy and you would never do
- 1:50:01anything bad and never has never lost
- 1:50:02your temper and you know all those
- 1:50:05people that say that about you
- 1:50:07there's
- 1:50:08just as many that would say that about
- 1:50:10Cheyenne
- 1:50:12so
- 1:50:13we're going to struggle with that for a
- 1:50:16while
- 1:50:17I'm struggling with it right now I'll be
- 1:50:19honest I know who you are I'm a mom
- 1:50:22anybody would
- 1:50:27how do we prove the best that she handed
- 1:50:29it
- 1:50:36the body I guess that's the only thing
- 1:50:37here
- 1:50:41's another okay
- 1:50:45but there are going to be hand marks
- 1:50:47like they weren't supposed to know
- 1:50:52and Bella I don't know but
- 1:50:57there was no problem on top of her I
- 1:50:59didn't see uh
- 1:51:08why were there sheets in the trash
- 1:51:11in the kitchen
- 1:51:13those are the same ones out there
- 1:51:16foreign
- 1:51:32[Music]
- 1:51:34like you didn't even try and hide that
- 1:51:37but I I was so scared I didn't know what
- 1:51:39to do
- 1:51:41did someone come up on you or something
- 1:51:43no
- 1:51:45were you afraid they were going to start
- 1:51:46showing up
- 1:51:47I know they're they're on their way out
- 1:51:49there but I mean
- 1:51:51it's a long way out there
- 1:51:52so I know um
- 1:51:54before I forget I knew the victor a lot
- 1:51:57of electron
- 1:51:59IC routers and stuff
- 1:52:02um
- 1:52:02like that's not going to show that she
- 1:52:04was using her phone like at a time that
- 1:52:06you said
- 1:52:07she was
- 1:52:09in the kids or something right okay do
- 1:52:12you what is the password to like all the
- 1:52:14electronics in your house I know there
- 1:52:16was an iPad iPad should be 2385
- 1:52:20two three eight five
- 1:52:24is there a there's not one for the Apple
- 1:52:26watches right there should be two three
- 1:52:28eight five
- 1:52:30is that for yours too uh three three
- 1:52:33seven
- 1:52:39two three seven
- 1:52:44two three and one other stuff do you
- 1:52:46have to do is there a router like is
- 1:52:47there a password for that shiny chair of
- 1:52:50six
- 1:52:53and stole from uh
- 1:52:58s-h-i-n-y-c-h-a-i-r-6 number six
- 1:53:04and then what else is was it is there a
- 1:53:07desktop computer yeah that one yes if it
- 1:53:10has a password it'd be
- 1:53:12um 428
- 1:53:14-4915
- 1:53:16capital S lowercase w
- 1:53:21okay
- 1:53:24is there anything else from the house as
- 1:53:26far as Electronics go and tablets
- 1:53:29that's the only real set the other one
- 1:53:31is the kids stuff but there's like
- 1:53:33they're just like
- 1:53:36and you're you have an iPhone what which
- 1:53:39one is that your personal life is iPhone
- 1:53:41like
- 1:53:46what's the temperature
- 1:53:50and what about your work phone Sam
- 1:53:54there's others on here
- 1:53:57and I was wishing man had a iPhone right
- 1:54:01and what was her password
- 1:54:03so it changed to zero one three one
- 1:54:07nineteen
- 1:54:09what was that password the uh due date
- 1:54:13the next day okay
- 1:54:15Nikki told me that one Nicole told me
- 1:54:17though
- 1:54:21yeah it was getting us very confusing so
- 1:54:24no other electronics uh what about the
- 1:54:27echo does it have a password no no you
- 1:54:29never know if it did or not okay
- 1:54:32let me just say Alexa and it starts
- 1:54:34listening oh to Alexa is it that Echo
- 1:54:37Show s yeah yeah okay the big product
- 1:54:40it's called the nickel okay
- 1:54:43any other ones that you can think of
- 1:54:50okay
- 1:54:52where do you guys Bank
- 1:54:53Chase in USA
- 1:54:55which one was the um when you went out
- 1:54:58to dinner with Nikki okay that was Chase
- 1:55:02and USAA is that mortgage is that bank
- 1:55:05uh chases are mortgage under okay
- 1:55:11because checking to them too I just
- 1:55:18use
- 1:55:20uh we use that to pay mortgage too but
- 1:55:23it's just another she had that before
- 1:55:25she met me
- 1:55:27and in the account that you had
- 1:55:28personally
- 1:55:30beyond all of this okay
- 1:55:45through the boys
- 1:55:54oh the um security system
- 1:56:04that's either going to be three three
- 1:56:05seven or two three five one or two
- 1:56:11and the passcode like like this mustang
- 1:56:14for
- 1:56:15the easier enough to talk to them proper
- 1:56:18passcode
- 1:56:25and then what email is associated with
- 1:56:27that question and then watch gmail.com
- 1:56:42uh it's just any error if most of your
- 1:56:45password do that okay
- 1:56:48it was on everything
- 1:56:51yeah what is that there's a phone number
- 1:56:52inside yeah what phone number is that
- 1:56:55her ex-husband's mom
- 1:56:58okay that's weird just stick with the
- 1:57:01password you just remembered that she
- 1:57:03said it that long
- 1:57:11do you have any other questions for us
- 1:57:14here's the bathroom yes of course
- 1:57:17um we need to do one quick thing
- 1:57:20what we know
- 1:57:22we're going to um
- 1:57:24and check that you don't have any
- 1:57:25weapons on your
- 1:57:26own
- 1:57:30we'll do that we'll go to the bathroom
- 1:57:32I'm not going to go in the stall with
- 1:57:34you but I'm going to go with you
- 1:57:35and then we'll come right back here
- 1:57:36we'll make a decision about how the rest
- 1:57:37of the night goes
- 1:57:39all right so you might have seen it up
- 1:57:40second check
- 1:57:52foreign
- 1:58:13[Music]
- 1:58:27foreign
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