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The FULL Police Interrogation and CONFESSSION - Chris Watts — Transcript

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  21. 1:09I feel like you're probably ready to do
  22. 1:11that
  23. 1:12I didn't I didn't lie to you on that
  24. 1:14polygraph I promise
  25. 1:16Chris
  26. 1:18all right
  27. 1:20turned out for a minute take a deep
  28. 1:22breath
  29. 1:23and I want you to take a deep breath
  30. 1:25right now
  31. 1:32there's a reason you feel sick to your
  32. 1:34stomach and when people hold stuff
  33. 1:36inside it makes you physically ill
  34. 1:39and I can just tell on your face I could
  35. 1:41tell you tell from the second you walked
  36. 1:43in that you were wanting to just come
  37. 1:46clean and just be done with this
  38. 1:48and I appreciate that because you knew
  39. 1:50sitting down in that chair that you
  40. 1:52weren't going to pass today and you knew
  41. 1:54I was going to find out because I told
  42. 1:56you that and then you continued to stay
  43. 1:59knowing that you could at the end say
  44. 2:02you know what
  45. 2:03I just need to get this off my chest
  46. 2:05like I just need to tell you what
  47. 2:06happened
  48. 2:08we're not we're not here to play games
  49. 2:09we're not here to do any of that with
  50. 2:11you we just want to know what happened
  51. 2:14so can you start from the beginning and
  52. 2:16tell us what happened
  53. 2:18everything that after I told you I have
  54. 2:21not lied on this polygraph I am
  55. 2:23I don't know how much I could
  56. 2:26tell you right now like it's not an
  57. 2:29option right now because you did not
  58. 2:31pass the polygraph so I know you were
  59. 2:32being deceptive so that's not even an
  60. 2:34issue right now the issue right now is
  61. 2:36what happened to shananne
  62. 2:39Bella and Celeste that's the issue right
  63. 2:42now
  64. 2:44so let's talk about that
  65. 2:47I know I know you want to tell us I I
  66. 2:49can I can see it in your face
  67. 2:53holding this line in is going to do
  68. 2:55nothing for you I I know this like I'm
  69. 2:58not like trying to like cover things up
  70. 3:01like yeah but you kind of are because
  71. 3:03and it's normal normal people would do
  72. 3:06that there are more people that make a
  73. 3:08mistake initially are going to go I
  74. 3:10don't know what you're talking about I
  75. 3:11didn't do anything that's normal I would
  76. 3:14expect that
  77. 3:15it's just like if you ask your kid you
  78. 3:17know did you write on the wall they go
  79. 3:18no you're like you have marker on your
  80. 3:21hand like I know you just squirrel on
  81. 3:22the wall and they're like oh okay that's
  82. 3:24a natural reaction that someone's gonna
  83. 3:26initially lie about something like that
  84. 3:28and then eventually tell the truth so
  85. 3:30this is your eventually telling the
  86. 3:32truth time
  87. 3:34this is where this is where the rubber
  88. 3:36meets the road Chris
  89. 3:38like don't let this continue any longer
  90. 3:41please
  91. 3:42I'm not trying to make anything continue
  92. 3:45like I want them back home like
  93. 3:48but you know they're not coming back
  94. 3:50home
  95. 3:51you know that I don't know in the back
  96. 3:53of my head I hope they come back home
  97. 3:55but you know they're not I hope they
  98. 3:58come back home
  99. 4:01and I don't know they're not coming back
  100. 4:02home
  101. 4:06Chris Timmy and I are confused okay
  102. 4:09and here's what we're confused about
  103. 4:12I told you that we've done some work
  104. 4:14overnight yeah I told you that we've got
  105. 4:15a lot of movies okay that wasn't a lie I
  106. 4:18don't know we know a lot more than
  107. 4:19anything
  108. 4:21but here's what we're
  109. 4:24going to be you're this great guy and
  110. 4:25I'm not just telling you that okay I'm
  111. 4:27telling you that because everyone tells
  112. 4:29us that okay
  113. 4:31we can't find anyone to say anything bad
  114. 4:33about you Chris is a great guy he's a
  115. 4:35good father
  116. 4:36he's a good man
  117. 4:38confused as to why you're not taking
  118. 4:41your beautiful children
  119. 4:44how am I taking care of them right now
  120. 4:45right now where are they
  121. 4:49don't know where they're at
  122. 4:55I honest I do not know where they're at
  123. 5:01if I could have my babies back home
  124. 5:02right now I would
  125. 5:04I want them back I want everybody back
  126. 5:10to God's honest truth
  127. 5:36foreign
  128. 5:49foreign
  129. 6:13we just can't figure out
  130. 6:16where there's two Chris's okay
  131. 6:19we talked about that last night yes we
  132. 6:21just can't figure it out
  133. 6:25there's a Chris okay
  134. 6:29my first child routine I would say I
  135. 6:31don't know go after them all
  136. 6:33the truth right
  137. 6:35and so
  138. 6:36it is very surprising to me and it warms
  139. 6:38my heart that you're the type of dad who
  140. 6:41can pack a bag in the morning and you
  141. 6:43know what you have to put the foot in
  142. 6:44there and you know just what to put in
  143. 6:46there as a backup in case they have an
  144. 6:48accident okay
  145. 6:49closed captioning not available
  146. 7:19you today
  147. 7:21I know
  148. 7:23and this is very good
  149. 7:25I
  150. 7:29I'm not proud of it
  151. 7:31I
  152. 7:32I don't think anything like that could
  153. 7:34happen without a thing I ever do it but
  154. 7:35I did
  155. 7:42she accused me of it I denied it
  156. 7:45I I actually just on her and I feel
  157. 7:48horrible for it like she was pregnant
  158. 7:50and
  159. 7:51it was
  160. 7:54I don't wanna
  161. 7:58that didn't hurt her I cheated I hurt
  162. 8:01her emotionally I treated on her
  163. 8:03and
  164. 8:07I feel absolutely horrible about this
  165. 8:09but
  166. 8:10that's what I've been holding I think
  167. 8:11when I didn't go to the Rockies game I
  168. 8:14was with her
  169. 8:16I went to dinner with her
  170. 8:18okay
  171. 8:22keep going
  172. 8:24that five week sales alone I was my
  173. 8:27third Muslim most of the time
  174. 8:30you're doing a good job this is the
  175. 8:32crisp that I knew would come out today
  176. 8:33this is the crazy tells the truth
  177. 8:35because you're a truth teller
  178. 8:39and I'd say I thought I love Scott fell
  179. 8:41a little better
  180. 8:43absolutely okay I mean that's true
  181. 8:48who is her
  182. 8:50so I don't want to get her involved in
  183. 8:52this I don't want to ruin her life it's
  184. 8:54like it's some something like this I
  185. 8:55don't want her involved in this okay
  186. 8:57so can we talk about that a little bit
  187. 8:59yes
  188. 9:01I knew that you would say you didn't
  189. 9:04want to get her involved
  190. 9:05because I could use a city here she's a
  191. 9:08wonderful person like I mean she knew I
  192. 9:11was married yes and that's why we were
  193. 9:13going through the issues yes
  194. 9:17and I told her that you know we're going
  195. 9:19to get you know at the end like you're
  196. 9:20going to be separate like once I've
  197. 9:22figured out what that was I didn't know
  198. 9:23what that was going to be I know I had
  199. 9:25no idea I like you know
  200. 9:28I saw her took my breath away and I'd
  201. 9:32never thought in the years that could
  202. 9:34happen you know how do you think I'm a
  203. 9:36figure
  204. 9:36um like but like it was I never felt
  205. 9:40that way about anybody like anybody of
  206. 9:43all the time
  207. 9:45Christmas not your fault yeah no no
  208. 9:50can we do this
  209. 9:53I know you want to take care of her
  210. 9:55because it's because you're a type of
  211. 9:57guy that takes care of women
  212. 9:58and if you took care of your wife you
  213. 10:00took care of your daughters you were
  214. 10:01very good at taking care and you want to
  215. 10:03take care of her should we make a deal
  216. 10:08I don't think this girl
  217. 10:11did anything to hurt anybody but
  218. 10:14I can't walk out of here wondering
  219. 10:17so can we leave her out of it I'll try
  220. 10:19to get back to your wife and your
  221. 10:20daughters okay where are they
  222. 10:23I do not know
  223. 10:25that was what I was holding back like I
  224. 10:27didn't know like what I could I know
  225. 10:29Chris in the interview today you weren't
  226. 10:32asked about infidelity
  227. 10:34you were asked about that was I was
  228. 10:36holding back from last night
  229. 10:44it's not just the ones that we talked
  230. 10:46about being important
  231. 10:49like the ones you wanted me to lie about
  232. 10:51like is that what you're talking about
  233. 10:53no the words about her disappearance and
  234. 10:56knowing where she's at and about what
  235. 10:58you about paying her last
  236. 11:01night I was not lying about those things
  237. 11:05yes okay
  238. 11:08so
  239. 11:09I'm going into that interview today with
  240. 11:11Tammy where we stretch you in we knew we
  241. 11:14knew all about Nikki
  242. 11:17okay all about it
  243. 11:20and you're doing a very good job right
  244. 11:23now because you didn't have to tell us
  245. 11:24about it but you did
  246. 11:26um
  247. 11:27we could see it on your chest I can't in
  248. 11:29your eyes okay
  249. 11:31here's a challenge that we have
  250. 11:33we knew about Mickey and so we didn't
  251. 11:35need to ask you about her in the
  252. 11:37polygraph who just didn't lead to
  253. 11:39because we knew okay
  254. 11:40and so that's why we didn't ask you
  255. 11:43because we already knew the answer okay
  256. 11:45we're very very worried about your
  257. 11:47daughters and
  258. 11:49so can I tell you maybe
  259. 11:52based on the people that I talked to and
  260. 11:54Tammy's talks to based on all the
  261. 11:56investigations we've done based on
  262. 11:59your cell phone both your cell phones
  263. 12:01your wife's cell phone Nikki's cell
  264. 12:04phone
  265. 12:05okay
  266. 12:06based on talking with family members and
  267. 12:08friends and people talking with everyone
  268. 12:10here's what we know okay and I'm not
  269. 12:12gonna lie to right now here's what we
  270. 12:13know okay question is good man
  271. 12:16everyone said it okay I'm not just
  272. 12:18telling you that because I you know I
  273. 12:20want to blow smoke here you're a good
  274. 12:21man okay
  275. 12:23nobody can fake answers about packing a
  276. 12:26backpack for nobody you either pack a
  277. 12:28backpack for your kids or you don't okay
  278. 12:32it should have been the happiest time of
  279. 12:34your marriage
  280. 12:36okay
  281. 12:38this should have been the happiest
  282. 12:40time she's making a little money she's
  283. 12:41making good money you're making great
  284. 12:43money you both have a job you have
  285. 12:45beautiful kids you have a beautiful
  286. 12:46house you're in Colorado clean air good
  287. 12:48people okay and on top of that
  288. 12:51you're pretty good now
  289. 12:53you're pretty sad okay this should have
  290. 12:56been a time in your marriage where you
  291. 12:58guys were happy and thriving and
  292. 12:59productive okay and I believe that
  293. 13:03shenan is the reason none of that
  294. 13:04happened
  295. 13:05I believe that she's a controlling
  296. 13:07person
  297. 13:09maybe doesn't listen to you as much as
  298. 13:10she should
  299. 13:15do whatever she wants and you can't
  300. 13:19okay
  301. 13:20I think if you were to go to a
  302. 13:21restaurant she would order whatever the
  303. 13:23hell she wants
  304. 13:24and as soon as you order a nice steaks
  305. 13:26he says well buddy
  306. 13:30a woman that lets her man do all the
  307. 13:32backpack packing and all of her cooking
  308. 13:34I'll do all the cooking but actually
  309. 13:36Cooks like I do like
  310. 13:39things here okay
  311. 13:41that's because you're a good person and
  312. 13:43I think that she started on the path to
  313. 13:45leave the marriage
  314. 13:48ironic that we're talking about even
  315. 13:50Nikki Nikki I think that she was the one
  316. 13:52who started on that path first
  317. 13:57what do you think about that
  318. 14:00I wouldn't have thought about that
  319. 14:04the other thing I think is interesting
  320. 14:05is
  321. 14:06even though she is that type of person
  322. 14:08that's controlling doesn't listen does
  323. 14:11what she wants is walking away from her
  324. 14:13kids
  325. 14:14here you are defending her
  326. 14:16because to your core you want to take
  327. 14:18care of the people you love
  328. 14:21okay
  329. 14:22and that's the reason why
  330. 14:25we want to give you an opportunity today
  331. 14:28to just help us find them okay
  332. 14:32will you do that for us I'll do whatever
  333. 14:35I can to help but find where they're at
  334. 14:37okay
  335. 14:39so when she asked you do you know
  336. 14:42where they are or are you going to tell
  337. 14:43the truth about where they are who
  338. 14:45failed miserably
  339. 14:46okay
  340. 14:48why
  341. 14:49I'm I'm a nervous person like every
  342. 14:52question to ask every question that felt
  343. 14:54like
  344. 14:55I did I wouldn't even say the right of
  345. 14:57thing that's not how the polygraph works
  346. 14:58I don't like I don't know like what it
  347. 15:01reads like I know what she was saying
  348. 15:03about the autonomy of of the process but
  349. 15:07like
  350. 15:10from where they're at
  351. 15:13Chris right now you're down to outside
  352. 15:14he's from across the country down
  353. 15:19you're lying to him
  354. 15:30goodbye to everyone you talked to
  355. 15:33and they all bought it
  356. 15:38will you please help us find your babies
  357. 15:41I want to find them I've told you over
  358. 15:44and over I want to find
  359. 15:50go back to that night
  360. 15:52you know that we have texts
  361. 15:56and we know there's an Alexa in your
  362. 15:58house and you know that those are
  363. 16:01trained to record distress
  364. 16:04okay
  365. 16:06you know that we know the content of
  366. 16:08Nikki's text messages and your text
  367. 16:10messages and shenan's text messages okay
  368. 16:14I don't know anyways I think he was
  369. 16:16until right now so
  370. 16:18okay
  371. 16:20tell us about that night again and
  372. 16:21please tell the truth it's not
  373. 16:25I told you that you're
  374. 16:27um I promise I've told you the
  375. 16:28truthfully
  376. 16:29I woke up at four o'clock
  377. 16:36got dressed got ready
  378. 16:39415
  379. 16:44at the house about separation
  380. 16:48did you guys talk about Nikki
  381. 16:51she accused me of like all right well
  382. 16:54you know
  383. 16:55is there somebody else sure
  384. 16:57okay he denied it yeah okay because she
  385. 17:00brought up like you know like Mom is
  386. 17:02there a 68 dollar charts I'm in it the
  387. 17:04other night okay I was there two of you
  388. 17:06and then once with two of you wasn't
  389. 17:08this okay that's me
  390. 17:11okay so it sounds like at that time
  391. 17:13there was maybe you weren't quite ready
  392. 17:14to say
  393. 17:16everything
  394. 17:19I couldn't say it okay
  395. 17:22I've already tried hard enough I
  396. 17:24couldn't I couldn't I couldn't say that
  397. 17:25okay
  398. 17:28what did she say
  399. 17:29I just told her like oh this separation
  400. 17:32has to be like I want separation okay
  401. 17:35is there any idea to sell the house of
  402. 17:37yours
  403. 17:38she initiated the realtor the week
  404. 17:40before an email why
  405. 17:43because we were talking about the
  406. 17:45marital issues just like well
  407. 17:47you can't live afford to live on our own
  408. 17:50well she can't afford to live on her own
  409. 17:51I can't afford the moment so she's like
  410. 17:53you need it
  411. 17:54contact me and you can see and who would
  412. 17:57you contact
  413. 17:58well she's got that and our realtor and
  414. 18:01yeah okay
  415. 18:03would Ann say the same thing that your
  416. 18:05wife caught initiated the contract okay
  417. 18:07sure
  418. 18:09and then on Monday I was I texted her to
  419. 18:12see if she could what she could do okay
  420. 18:15and that's in there too you're fired
  421. 18:17into that
  422. 18:18tell me about the pregnancy symptoms are
  423. 18:20you ready or hers
  424. 18:21she said about she's about 80 20. well
  425. 18:24I'll know I only did the pros and cons
  426. 18:26of it like after she got after she got
  427. 18:29pregnant she told her about that it was
  428. 18:31mainly my idea it's intern yeah I mean
  429. 18:35it was
  430. 18:36I wanted boy did you want to get
  431. 18:38pregnant okay and then after the fact
  432. 18:40she said it was mainly me that wanted
  433. 18:43and she was about you know
  434. 18:45because you're set me 30 against it at
  435. 18:47that point like she would tell her
  436. 18:48friends that you know I was like what 70
  437. 18:5130 against it like why
  438. 18:53okay
  439. 19:01can you understand that some of this
  440. 19:02just doesn't make sense
  441. 19:09how is it possible that a woman and two
  442. 19:12kids are just completely gone off the
  443. 19:14face of the Earth
  444. 19:16I've
  445. 19:18I have nothing on my hands that's I did
  446. 19:21nothing to those kids or her
  447. 19:24to make them vanish
  448. 19:27so tell me what happened I believe you
  449. 19:30that you didn't
  450. 19:34you didn't know I left I mean it's on
  451. 19:36video that I left and I was in my truck
  452. 19:38I didn't like load anything into my
  453. 19:40truck besides my tools my container my
  454. 19:43book bag my water jug my lunch box okay
  455. 19:46then what happened
  456. 19:49I drove out of the driveway you know
  457. 19:51before you drove out of the driveway
  458. 19:52what happened with your wife and your
  459. 19:54kids I didn't do anything like that
  460. 19:57they were still in the house
  461. 19:59where are they where do they go
  462. 20:02I sir I really don't know
  463. 20:04your wife's not the type of person to
  464. 20:05vanish I know she's not she had 10
  465. 20:07things on her schedule that meant
  466. 20:09there the next day that day the day
  467. 20:11after that with friends with a doctor
  468. 20:13okay she didn't leave because she wanted
  469. 20:16to okay that's what happened
  470. 20:19to her birthday kids
  471. 20:24I didn't do anything it wasn't an
  472. 20:26accident there was no accident I don't
  473. 20:28know if there was an accident in the
  474. 20:29house I wasn't there for it
  475. 20:31it's a big deal if it's an accident
  476. 20:33because we can work with that Chris
  477. 20:35may be what happened there's no I did
  478. 20:38not cause an accident I didn't do
  479. 20:40anything to my wife and kids
  480. 20:44which is a misunderstanding there's
  481. 20:46something to say like we had that talk
  482. 20:50there was an interesting where I I
  483. 20:51didn't tell her about the affair
  484. 20:55okay I didn't okay that was a
  485. 20:57misunderstanding question
  486. 20:58misunderstanding yeah good but
  487. 21:02I probably should have told her right
  488. 21:04then honestly I mean everything was out
  489. 21:06on the table anyway right I should have
  490. 21:09told her right then
  491. 21:10but I didn't because I I just couldn't
  492. 21:13put myself to do it
  493. 21:15what was your plan what were you gonna
  494. 21:16do I mean how is your separation going
  495. 21:18to work
  496. 21:20like once we got separated and I would
  497. 21:23get my own place and then I mean
  498. 21:2950 50s just played with the kids that's
  499. 21:31what I was hoping
  500. 21:33don't worry about Nikki
  501. 21:36take it slow and see if you know if
  502. 21:39anything develops like
  503. 21:42um
  504. 21:42you know at my own place
  505. 21:51I just find it hard to hear you talk
  506. 21:54about disease having this emotional
  507. 21:57you know conversation with Shannon and
  508. 22:00you're bawling and crying together
  509. 22:02and you have not shed one tear in two
  510. 22:05days that you've been here no not one
  511. 22:08and I helped me understand that because
  512. 22:10I don't get it you're these are your
  513. 22:13baby girls
  514. 22:15and you have not shed one tear
  515. 22:18over them not being around
  516. 22:23Chris I lose my four-year-old in the
  517. 22:26store for 10 seconds and I start to go
  518. 22:29panic panic
  519. 22:31I have not seen any of that from you at
  520. 22:35all
  521. 22:38I would never do anything just because I
  522. 22:40haven't shed a tear
  523. 22:42yeah so that's weird is that weird
  524. 22:45don't don't
  525. 22:47look into that like I don't love myself
  526. 22:49you're
  527. 22:51crazy
  528. 22:53yeah
  529. 22:59I have them right now you're not reading
  530. 23:02stories to them at night you're not
  531. 23:04giving them Midnight snacks
  532. 23:06you're not giving them their medicine
  533. 23:08you're not waking up with him in the
  534. 23:10morning
  535. 23:12I know this like I so that should cause
  536. 23:14you pain it does cause pain
  537. 23:17but I don't see that
  538. 23:19I don't see that I want to see the Chris
  539. 23:21that cares I want to find Chris that you
  540. 23:23know feels bad about what he did and
  541. 23:25wants to
  542. 23:26you know get this off his chest and be
  543. 23:28done with this and let us find your
  544. 23:30little girls so that they're not out
  545. 23:32there in the middle of a field or
  546. 23:34whatever somewhere
  547. 23:35like don't do that I love those girls to
  548. 23:38show us that show us that
  549. 23:42show us this crisp not this Chris I'm
  550. 23:45not I'm not showing you that I'm I'm
  551. 23:48showing you the Chris that cares about
  552. 23:49his girl and his wife just because I
  553. 23:52haven't shed a tear it shouldn't make
  554. 23:53you feel like I haven't that the love
  555. 23:55isn't there for them
  556. 23:58it's weird
  557. 24:00I understand that you have to I I
  558. 24:02totally see where you're coming from
  559. 24:05trust me like there's nothing
  560. 24:08just because people can be pushed to the
  561. 24:11point where they do something that they
  562. 24:13regret
  563. 24:14it happens every single day oh no
  564. 24:17but part of what makes you a man is the
  565. 24:20guy that goes fucked up
  566. 24:24but this is what I did and I'm going to
  567. 24:26pay for what I did and I'm going to tell
  568. 24:27you what I did and I'm gonna
  569. 24:30be honest about it
  570. 24:32Chris we can keep talking to you once we
  571. 24:34find these girls okay but once we find
  572. 24:36these girls and your wife right no
  573. 24:38matter how we find them no matter what
  574. 24:40condition they're in
  575. 24:41we can keep talking to you you can tell
  576. 24:43us guys it's not as bad as it looks and
  577. 24:47you can say
  578. 24:48let me tell you what happened I was
  579. 24:50never comfortable with you Graham or
  580. 24:52with you Tammy I wasn't comfortable yet
  581. 24:53but now that everything's known now that
  582. 24:56the girls are found and shenan's found
  583. 24:58however they're found it's okay we can
  584. 25:01keep talking to you Chris did she man do
  585. 25:04something to them no I don't know I'm
  586. 25:06curious I have no clue no you wouldn't
  587. 25:08know because they didn't leave the house
  588. 25:10like well did you man do something to
  589. 25:13them and then did you feel like you had
  590. 25:15to do something to Shania
  591. 25:18they were at the house when I left
  592. 25:21they were there
  593. 25:23they weren't there they didn't leave
  594. 25:25they vanished
  595. 25:29they only
  596. 25:31way they could have left is in your
  597. 25:33truck
  598. 25:34there's no way because like I didn't
  599. 25:36just throw them in my truck
  600. 25:39you know your truck and GPS yes right
  601. 25:42yes because you've told your boss like
  602. 25:43hey I'm going this preparation I may be
  603. 25:45staying at a friend's house whatever you
  604. 25:47know that thing pings every 10 seconds
  605. 25:49yep so we will know
  606. 25:52exactly
  607. 25:55where you went and your company's giving
  608. 25:57that to us I know okay
  609. 26:01are we not asking the right question
  610. 26:03you're asking all the questions all the
  611. 26:05questions what are we not asking you
  612. 26:06right what are we doing wrong I'm not
  613. 26:08doing anything wrong
  614. 26:19I think she did anything to these kids
  615. 26:21we both love them in all our hearts
  616. 26:23there's no way
  617. 26:24because it was an accident
  618. 26:27something happened in the house that you
  619. 26:29know about
  620. 26:30you failed the polygraph test scores
  621. 26:32this is not about did you leave and your
  622. 26:34wife vanished and you didn't know
  623. 26:35anything about it that was not what you
  624. 26:37were asked okay
  625. 26:39we know that something happened to all
  626. 26:41three of them but I want to know
  627. 26:44if something happened to these baby
  628. 26:46girls first that you had to take into
  629. 26:48your own hands and deal with you had to
  630. 26:50clean it up Porsche yeah
  631. 26:55Crisco tell us
  632. 26:57there's something that happened to these
  633. 26:59baby girls
  634. 27:10before he came in I was watching videos
  635. 27:15we have no doubt you loved
  636. 27:21love and no doubt
  637. 27:23but we make mistakes
  638. 27:26that's okay
  639. 27:28because what we do with those mistakes
  640. 27:30that make us who we are
  641. 27:35crazy it seems like I'm thinking about
  642. 27:45thinking about this I feel like you
  643. 27:46cleaned up for her
  644. 27:50I feel like that's the type of guy that
  645. 27:52you are
  646. 28:01which one of these that's the breathing
  647. 28:03thing
  648. 28:05well they both have inhalers but she she
  649. 28:07has the eoe
  650. 28:09and stuff with esophagitis
  651. 28:11did she have problems breathing
  652. 28:17probably like with her allergies and
  653. 28:20whatnot I think if she had anything nice
  654. 28:22but she's tattooism with the endoscopies
  655. 28:24and everything in the surgery as I told
  656. 28:25you about
  657. 28:27do you think she had trouble breathing
  658. 28:28that night
  659. 28:30and Shannon freaked out
  660. 28:33and didn't want to live without her baby
  661. 28:36girl
  662. 28:43did you hear about the homicide that
  663. 28:45happened in Aurora or the guy beat that
  664. 28:48family to death as a Balkan hammer
  665. 28:53the only person that survived was a
  666. 28:54three-year-old
  667. 28:55sibling
  668. 28:57and actually grew up to be
  669. 28:59a total mess
  670. 29:00no family no Mom and Dad
  671. 29:03your brother or sister
  672. 29:05by herself
  673. 29:09she says I wish I could have died with
  674. 29:10them
  675. 29:12and there are times that people freak
  676. 29:15out I've seen it I mean I've been in
  677. 29:17love for some for almost 20 years I've
  678. 29:19seen it
  679. 29:21parents freak out and they're like oh my
  680. 29:24God like I can't
  681. 29:26have my baby girls live without each
  682. 29:29other their best friends
  683. 29:32to my twins they're you know they wake
  684. 29:35each other up in the morning
  685. 29:38and I understand that
  686. 29:43we had a mom in Castle Rock
  687. 29:46that suffocated both for baby girls
  688. 29:53I just my husband was going to take them
  689. 29:55and
  690. 29:56she couldn't just couldn't hear I
  691. 29:58thought I was doing right by them
  692. 30:02I thought I was saving them pain
  693. 30:07and I get it why
  694. 30:13it didn't have to live without their mom
  695. 30:20of course this is a weight that's going
  696. 30:22to be on you for the rest of your life
  697. 30:23until we resolve it tonight
  698. 30:27unless we can talk about this more
  699. 30:28tonight
  700. 30:29we're gonna follow you forever
  701. 30:31I promise you when you start talking to
  702. 30:33us you will feel better
  703. 30:35I know you already felt better about
  704. 30:36getting the Nikki off your chest
  705. 30:39please please don't like involve further
  706. 30:41than this or anything like that see
  707. 30:45you gotta help me help me I don't know
  708. 30:47thanks for giving you a Lifeline right
  709. 30:49now you need to take it you need to
  710. 30:50reach out and take it
  711. 30:58she had that dress on
  712. 31:00like
  713. 31:03on the dates I don't know
  714. 31:05it wasn't this
  715. 31:07but she had bedrooms on because I
  716. 31:09remember I had two buttons on the back
  717. 31:12I take them off should I get a program
  718. 31:14on that night
  719. 31:16did you guys make sure they were warm
  720. 31:18when they left the house
  721. 31:21we'll make sure they were warm
  722. 31:25and they're they're always warm they're
  723. 31:27they always have
  724. 31:28when they're in their beds are always
  725. 31:30worn
  726. 31:34women taking care of them at the very
  727. 31:36end
  728. 31:38they're always they're they're always
  729. 31:40taken care of they're always they never
  730. 31:42miss a meal
  731. 31:49you took them out of the house with
  732. 31:51their blankets and their animals
  733. 31:55like that's because you cared
  734. 32:00that's why Karen died
  735. 32:02I mean I'm always caring for these kids
  736. 32:04there's nothing in this invisible
  737. 32:07for my life
  738. 32:13I believe that
  739. 32:16I believe that I believe someone made a
  740. 32:18mistake whether it was you you or Shania
  741. 32:22and you've either cleaned up after
  742. 32:23shenan or you made the mistake and
  743. 32:27I want to believe that maybe shenan did
  744. 32:29it and you felt compelled to
  745. 32:33fix this so shenan didn't look bad
  746. 32:37that's what that's what I want to
  747. 32:38believe
  748. 32:41but I don't know you're not telling me
  749. 32:43that so it makes me think the worst like
  750. 32:45if you I did that to all three of them
  751. 32:53tell us Chris
  752. 32:57chicks are crazy can I was talking to my
  753. 32:59dad or something
  754. 33:01do you want to bring him in here
  755. 33:06that flew across the country
  756. 33:08how about this
  757. 33:11if we brought your dad in here would you
  758. 33:14please tell him what happened
  759. 33:19here for like five or six hours and I'm
  760. 33:22like
  761. 33:23absolutely Chris
  762. 33:27it's not going to feel any better
  763. 33:31he deserves an answer
  764. 33:34it's your best friend
  765. 33:39there's only one person you wanted here
  766. 33:41lost your dad yes
  767. 33:45what would you tell him
  768. 33:48I I love them
  769. 33:53I just want to be by my side
  770. 33:59he knows more than we do the Arabic man
  771. 34:03and he knows
  772. 34:05as much as you want a protection your
  773. 34:07wife
  774. 34:11I think he would tell you to do the
  775. 34:12right thing
  776. 34:14before we get him
  777. 34:15can I go out there and talk to him
  778. 34:17well I don't know that you want to do it
  779. 34:19up there because there's a lot of people
  780. 34:20going through the Halls should we bring
  781. 34:22them in here
  782. 34:31we just asked a couple more questions
  783. 34:40it seems like you're about to
  784. 34:42get her off her chest
  785. 34:48is there any way that you can help us
  786. 34:50understand
  787. 34:52more about Shania and why maybe
  788. 34:55something happened
  789. 34:57so that we don't get a bad picture about
  790. 35:00her
  791. 35:03what I mean is
  792. 35:05what happened at night with her
  793. 35:10firstly after I talked to her
  794. 35:12with the girls
  795. 35:16it's like when we were having that
  796. 35:18conversation in bed there
  797. 35:22uh
  798. 35:24and I talked to her about separation in
  799. 35:27the house and just asking about the
  800. 35:29affair and
  801. 35:31that's that's how that conversation went
  802. 35:34and God she was destroyed she she had
  803. 35:36like mascara on her face all that I'm
  804. 35:39gonna do this
  805. 35:40that was emotional
  806. 35:43well how about this
  807. 35:46if we bring in your dad
  808. 35:48will you promised maybe I'll talk to him
  809. 35:53or you promised me to go tell him
  810. 35:54everything
  811. 35:57would it be easier if you told him than
  812. 35:59he told us
  813. 36:06I don't know if that's even easier
  814. 36:09or not I think you're the type of guy
  815. 36:10that
  816. 36:11needs to take responsibility because you
  817. 36:13always have taken responsibility you've
  818. 36:15always knew the right choice
  819. 36:16so I guess I'm just worried that if we
  820. 36:19bring your dad in here
  821. 36:21that could distract you
  822. 36:24what do you think
  823. 36:27that distract me from like talking to
  824. 36:29you yeah
  825. 36:31okay
  826. 36:35all right I know you'll do the right
  827. 36:38thing I do
  828. 36:39I don't know how long it's going to take
  829. 36:45I think that you need to think a little
  830. 36:46bit more about then
  831. 36:48okay
  832. 36:49you need to realize that your dad is not
  833. 36:51going to stop loving you no matter what
  834. 36:52you tell him you are his child
  835. 36:55and you will not stop loving you
  836. 36:59never and this is not the last chapter
  837. 37:02in any one story
  838. 37:13he's been here the whole time
  839. 37:15you know he didn't want to leave you
  840. 37:18have you ever seen uh sometimes when an
  841. 37:22animal's owner dies they stick around
  842. 37:24forever having Mr dad
  843. 37:32poor guy didn't want to leave today okay
  844. 37:36so keep that in mind
  845. 37:40he wants to hear it all
  846. 37:48okay
  847. 38:18I know
  848. 38:24what's going on
  849. 38:25[Music]
  850. 38:27and it's uh polygraph
  851. 38:30y failed it
  852. 38:32failed Americans there's just too much
  853. 38:35emotions it's
  854. 38:37so I mean they're
  855. 38:40not gonna let me go
  856. 38:46there's any reason why they shouldn't
  857. 38:48much another thing
  858. 38:50they know I had affair
  859. 38:54and and I know
  860. 38:56I can't think about that
  861. 39:08anything else you won't tell me what's
  862. 39:09what's going on or what happened or
  863. 39:12anything but
  864. 39:16we had that conversation that morning it
  865. 39:18was
  866. 39:21you know emotional it was
  867. 39:24told her about separation and everything
  868. 39:25like that
  869. 39:38I'm gonna help me downstairs
  870. 39:49well I don't want to protect her
  871. 39:52you don't want to protect me
  872. 39:55I don't know what else to say
  873. 40:23she started her with the kids
  874. 40:26paper
  875. 40:33oh
  876. 40:54go ahead and hear anything
  877. 40:58it came back up
  878. 41:00and they're gone
  879. 41:07out on the light in the top top 10 I'm
  880. 41:09talking to her about
  881. 41:13that I'm not talking about separation
  882. 41:15and everything about things
  883. 41:18I don't know like what else to say like
  884. 41:28that's on my kids
  885. 41:33foreign
  886. 42:07and went back upstairs and she has never
  887. 42:11seen anything
  888. 42:17[Music]
  889. 42:27they're blue
  890. 42:30each other
  891. 42:32I forgot the machine
  892. 42:45accomplish
  893. 42:53Ed like it's called cops about it
  894. 43:00there's no one to do all of the bodies
  895. 43:02off or something
  896. 43:07I didn't know what else
  897. 43:10nothing else to do didn't know what to
  898. 43:13do
  899. 43:15Spanish
  900. 43:25foreign
  901. 44:12um like in her heart I know she knew
  902. 44:13about the affair she just was waiting
  903. 44:15for me to say something for me to deny
  904. 44:17it again I think she would have lost it
  905. 44:21and she went off and told her about
  906. 44:23and that's the crying like happened
  907. 45:02I didn't tell her how much you just knew
  908. 45:04you just know
  909. 45:07you did not all along she doesn't know
  910. 45:33operational type
  911. 45:35so they're well I think she's new like
  912. 45:37if it was happening but I just denied it
  913. 45:56I'm going to deliver before from that of
  914. 45:58separation
  915. 46:02yeah
  916. 46:05she was hoping we go to counseling or
  917. 46:07something
  918. 46:19she lost it
  919. 46:22and lives
  920. 46:27at home too
  921. 46:43um
  922. 47:17you know
  923. 47:50last time
  924. 47:53until I come back to another day again
  925. 48:10you know again
  926. 48:24separation
  927. 48:27all right let's know if there was going
  928. 48:29on but we just profusely denied it
  929. 48:33and then
  930. 48:35I might totally Unchained all those new
  931. 48:37films
  932. 48:42for children
  933. 49:10range
  934. 49:20[Music]
  935. 49:34foreign
  936. 50:07after that conversation we had
  937. 50:10she accused me of the affair and I've
  938. 50:12seen in our hearts you know
  939. 50:15what was going on and she knew about the
  940. 50:17day the other night too screw because I
  941. 50:20mean
  942. 50:23about right now that was fun I told her
  943. 50:26I went to a Rockies game I went up to
  944. 50:29Bedford
  945. 50:34and I went downstairs
  946. 50:38but
  947. 50:44um
  948. 50:44we're you know who I wanted him to call
  949. 50:47the separation
  950. 50:50and that's the little one
  951. 51:00downstairs
  952. 51:04started packing up a few things and I
  953. 51:06heard us a couple things upstairs but
  954. 51:07anything of it
  955. 51:12opportunities
  956. 51:15get ready
  957. 51:34to talk to her again
  958. 51:39I saw him under
  959. 51:44those covers are like pulled off and
  960. 51:46shoes
  961. 51:47laying there
  962. 51:58it's like a little bit
  963. 52:02she was whenever
  964. 52:12freaked out
  965. 52:16all right on there I got on top of her
  966. 53:01I don't know what dude
  967. 53:10what happened
  968. 53:13there
  969. 53:17prescription
  970. 53:39that's right back in our bed
  971. 53:47s
  972. 53:52no idea
  973. 54:01like both my kids are blue and they're
  974. 54:04gone
  975. 54:12and just like blind just
  976. 54:18a person like
  977. 54:19history
  978. 54:21she hurt my kids
  979. 54:28like I didn't say anything to her
  980. 54:36what happened after singing in your bed
  981. 54:43in there
  982. 54:45do you know what to do
  983. 54:50she's acting
  984. 54:54just covered her up
  985. 55:24I really know
  986. 55:34because
  987. 55:42it's just the hard part
  988. 55:48Medical
  989. 55:50okay oh my God there's an opening in the
  990. 55:54back
  991. 55:55so where are they
  992. 56:13at that first location I went to that
  993. 56:15day
  994. 56:221519
  995. 56:25my location
  996. 56:31right there off the place
  997. 56:34you picked outside
  998. 56:42in there
  999. 56:52I don't know what to do
  1000. 56:54I know I didn't know what to fucking do
  1001. 56:58like mothers whether this makes sense
  1002. 57:01why would she hurt my fucking girls
  1003. 57:11took recording in something you know
  1004. 57:13they under the ground like
  1005. 57:17how would you find them
  1006. 57:21you take a job there
  1007. 57:34you and me and your dad
  1008. 57:38we can help you just get him out of a
  1009. 57:40cold
  1010. 57:41you know take care of him for the last
  1011. 57:43time
  1012. 57:56I'm sorry
  1013. 58:00I know you are
  1014. 58:04I know you came in today to do the right
  1015. 58:06thing
  1016. 58:09you don't have to come in you came in I
  1017. 58:12don't know
  1018. 58:40huh
  1019. 58:42please don't take anything less than me
  1020. 58:50are they all three out there yes okay
  1021. 58:55okay
  1022. 59:03[Music]
  1023. 59:07you saw it it's a monitor okay that's
  1024. 59:11why I write in there
  1025. 59:14don't you think
  1026. 59:18they were awesome
  1027. 59:22blue
  1028. 59:27and it's a step line right that did the
  1029. 59:29same thing to her
  1030. 59:39did you ever go into Bella's room
  1031. 59:44let's approaching it back in that's no
  1032. 59:47professor and wonder
  1033. 59:49the waist is laying the bed just
  1034. 59:51sprawled out
  1035. 59:58gotten packed up there
  1036. 1:00:00special stuff
  1037. 1:00:03what's the word you put on
  1038. 1:00:05get them out there
  1039. 1:00:10which part
  1040. 1:00:12icipated
  1041. 1:00:15foreign
  1042. 1:00:48this is the same thing
  1043. 1:00:57did Shannon fight back at all
  1044. 1:01:05the rage that I had after seeing that
  1045. 1:01:07night
  1046. 1:01:18how do you know Shazam was dead
  1047. 1:01:23smooth
  1048. 1:01:38um
  1049. 1:01:39our Facebook page like two days ago
  1050. 1:01:43yeah there's like four or five foot long
  1051. 1:01:46maybe no yeah
  1052. 1:01:51Shannon yeah
  1053. 1:01:56and keep his voice
  1054. 1:02:11what what do you say to this
  1055. 1:02:14something similar to that
  1056. 1:02:17um
  1057. 1:02:19just about a sheep over across the head
  1058. 1:02:22oh well Queen City was feet hanging out
  1059. 1:02:24saying like Bella had another
  1060. 1:02:26kid won't do that
  1061. 1:02:30do you remember that Grace
  1062. 1:02:32what do you think
  1063. 1:02:36should I make fun of it
  1064. 1:02:40I thought it was funny
  1065. 1:02:45I don't know
  1066. 1:02:56about their followers
  1067. 1:03:01foreign
  1068. 1:03:32you stayed he wanted to talk you know it
  1069. 1:03:35was going to be hard and still staying
  1070. 1:03:36up with a good man does
  1071. 1:03:41six hours
  1072. 1:03:53I'm not afraid to come out and say about
  1073. 1:03:54the kids they
  1074. 1:03:56they don't know
  1075. 1:03:58if you don't know when you look good
  1076. 1:04:04foreign
  1077. 1:04:27[Music]
  1078. 1:04:38foreign
  1079. 1:05:14are you trying to save Cece
  1080. 1:05:17it's hard
  1081. 1:05:19it's one of the movies
  1082. 1:05:22like that
  1083. 1:05:33where did you put them out there because
  1084. 1:05:35that's really important
  1085. 1:05:47all right
  1086. 1:06:06counting something are they under
  1087. 1:06:07something
  1088. 1:06:10I don't know what else to do
  1089. 1:06:13I know I didn't know what else to do I
  1090. 1:06:16was so scared I know
  1091. 1:06:20I think oh I just did this that's did
  1092. 1:06:22that
  1093. 1:06:23what do I do
  1094. 1:06:26anything that I would do from that was
  1095. 1:06:28just going to be
  1096. 1:06:30instances and just a horrible thing
  1097. 1:06:36you're into spawn and I think what can
  1098. 1:06:38you do right
  1099. 1:06:40because your body just kind of takes up
  1100. 1:07:21I'm sure
  1101. 1:07:29what's gonna happen
  1102. 1:07:32we're gonna help him get out of there
  1103. 1:07:36he's like what
  1104. 1:07:38would you prefer them when you're one of
  1105. 1:07:40your co-workers oh my God no no no no
  1106. 1:07:42I don't know
  1107. 1:07:53everybody thinks of a good man they're
  1108. 1:07:55going to see this you're like what the
  1109. 1:07:57fuck did you do Chris it was like I
  1110. 1:07:59should go to California
  1111. 1:08:01well they weren't in your shoes they
  1112. 1:08:02don't know they won't live in your life
  1113. 1:08:04I know but still it's sick
  1114. 1:08:07I can't remember like
  1115. 1:08:12we'll just go a little steps at a time
  1116. 1:08:17okay
  1117. 1:08:24this is there's good for their own
  1118. 1:08:26opinions anyways
  1119. 1:08:27let's figure everything out anyway
  1120. 1:08:30we'll just take a little steps tonight
  1121. 1:08:32then how about that
  1122. 1:08:39do you have to have any of them with you
  1123. 1:08:40no no what do you prefer you can you and
  1124. 1:08:43me and Tammy and Ronnie get in the car
  1125. 1:08:45and just drive out there
  1126. 1:08:48this point
  1127. 1:08:51Chris I know they're gone but they're
  1128. 1:08:53still your babies and you're still there
  1129. 1:08:59you go watch someone else to find them
  1130. 1:09:03you know I promise you
  1131. 1:09:20'll take us
  1132. 1:09:26foreign
  1133. 1:09:57foreign
  1134. 1:10:06[Music]
  1135. 1:10:30foreign
  1136. 1:11:12foreign
  1137. 1:11:16[Music]
  1138. 1:11:39anything by broadcasting any of this
  1139. 1:11:42that's not what law enforcement is
  1140. 1:11:43everybody about so we're entire best to
  1141. 1:11:46handle that as discreetly as possible
  1142. 1:11:48but
  1143. 1:11:50to
  1144. 1:11:53I'm not familiar with my bottom up
  1145. 1:11:55around here either I've only been here a
  1146. 1:11:58few years
  1147. 1:12:00with another lawyer or something for
  1148. 1:12:02another public defender but somebody
  1149. 1:12:03else
  1150. 1:12:09get your phone
  1151. 1:12:10you've got it okay
  1152. 1:12:20so if you go for it we'll talk a little
  1153. 1:12:21bit more
  1154. 1:12:24I think we have a picture is it serving
  1155. 1:12:27319
  1156. 1:12:28I think we have a picture
  1157. 1:12:31I'm kind of walk you through that I'm
  1158. 1:12:33sure you have a ton of questions for us
  1159. 1:12:34about you know how your night month and
  1160. 1:12:37week is going to look
  1161. 1:12:39um
  1162. 1:12:41somebody's just telling him
  1163. 1:12:43I'm going to show him that picture yeah
  1164. 1:12:48and then we're going to talk a little
  1165. 1:12:49bit about how the rest of the night's
  1166. 1:12:50gonna go
  1167. 1:12:52um that looks familiar to you what is
  1168. 1:12:54that the VRC service or anything okay
  1169. 1:12:59we're about
  1170. 1:13:01just a man and the girls
  1171. 1:13:06how old is this picture
  1172. 1:13:08today
  1173. 1:13:28can you work it for me
  1174. 1:13:41I think it's the Pittsburgh
  1175. 1:13:47man okay and where are the girls at
  1176. 1:13:51mm-hmm
  1177. 1:13:52Denise him so which one is do you know
  1178. 1:13:55which one
  1179. 1:14:00are they in the tanks
  1180. 1:14:03can somebody who doesn't know what
  1181. 1:14:04they're doing open notes
  1182. 1:14:09it's an extra oil and water
  1183. 1:14:17tell me the sheet from down here what is
  1184. 1:14:20that from
  1185. 1:14:22the Chanel was wrapped in
  1186. 1:14:25what about the curlies
  1187. 1:14:32I hope they're blankets or anything
  1188. 1:14:36bring their blankets and toys and stuff
  1189. 1:14:38though
  1190. 1:14:40probably a blue American orange or
  1191. 1:14:41something right here
  1192. 1:14:44or did you shut them or put them
  1193. 1:14:47right here with us
  1194. 1:14:52so how did you dig this out I was doing
  1195. 1:14:55this under cert
  1196. 1:14:57how did you take that
  1197. 1:15:00smell what's up it's like a workshop
  1198. 1:15:03is it still there
  1199. 1:15:13tuition interest
  1200. 1:15:25her underwear
  1201. 1:15:30sure they're black or gray
  1202. 1:15:32blue
  1203. 1:15:38how much time pass do you think from the
  1204. 1:15:41time that
  1205. 1:15:42is back in the bed
  1206. 1:15:45until you
  1207. 1:15:46put them in the truck
  1208. 1:16:05I'm not sure
  1209. 1:16:09we're talking minutes hours
  1210. 1:16:11something else
  1211. 1:16:15when I left the house you know like from
  1212. 1:16:18when you got her in the bed to when you
  1213. 1:16:21put him in the trunk
  1214. 1:16:23how long did that
  1215. 1:16:24how long the time was that
  1216. 1:16:32that's like when
  1217. 1:16:34pushing it in my truck from from the bed
  1218. 1:16:36to the Truck Yeah from your master bed
  1219. 1:16:39to the truck you know
  1220. 1:16:45are you talking about covering her up or
  1221. 1:16:47something
  1222. 1:16:47yeah
  1223. 1:16:49she
  1224. 1:16:56is there anything else about anything
  1225. 1:16:57out here that
  1226. 1:16:59has stuff that you've left in certain
  1227. 1:17:02spots or
  1228. 1:17:03you sure they're blankets and toys
  1229. 1:17:05aren't going to be in there as well
  1230. 1:17:07not because it was regular addiction
  1231. 1:17:14can you do me a huge favor and just
  1232. 1:17:16write your name on the bottom
  1233. 1:17:20make those marks
  1234. 1:17:25I'm just going to write the date on
  1235. 1:17:31date on it's made 15 18.
  1236. 1:17:34at 5 56.
  1237. 1:17:43okay
  1238. 1:17:50um
  1239. 1:17:52and the girls with their pajamas were
  1240. 1:17:58both
  1241. 1:18:00nightgowns
  1242. 1:18:05Celeste I think was that pink one with
  1243. 1:18:08the like herbs on it okay
  1244. 1:18:11those was
  1245. 1:18:13their unicorn I believe on it
  1246. 1:18:17okay
  1247. 1:18:19so it sounds like I mean it feels like
  1248. 1:18:21to me now we know pretty well how to go
  1249. 1:18:23get him is there anything else we need
  1250. 1:18:25to know
  1251. 1:18:41think about how to get them yeah
  1252. 1:18:44just uh does someone have to climb them
  1253. 1:18:46to the top and unscrew something and
  1254. 1:18:48then lower something down to get them
  1255. 1:18:50they're like
  1256. 1:18:52it's just a hatch from the top and
  1257. 1:18:54they're like 20 foot tanks
  1258. 1:18:56far down are they
  1259. 1:19:00wherever the food that was in the tank
  1260. 1:19:02I'm not sure okay what was it when you
  1261. 1:19:05were there I don't know
  1262. 1:19:10sorry
  1263. 1:19:12you may go out there
  1264. 1:19:15I don't think so would you prefer not to
  1265. 1:19:16I didn't know if you needed help going
  1266. 1:19:19getting there you know you know I don't
  1267. 1:19:21know um I think once we got that picture
  1268. 1:19:23because we didn't really know how much
  1269. 1:19:27about the location that the other police
  1270. 1:19:29officers knew that it sounds like they
  1271. 1:19:31knew somehow right right how to get to
  1272. 1:19:34319 so and I think that's how they got
  1273. 1:19:37that picture
  1274. 1:19:44does your um
  1275. 1:19:47does your Nanny came
  1276. 1:19:50do you have that camera
  1277. 1:19:51it's a monitor are you monitor it is
  1278. 1:19:54Video One
  1279. 1:19:55it's like it Cycles back and forth
  1280. 1:19:57between one probably the room oh okay
  1281. 1:20:00okay
  1282. 1:20:02is there any chance it records
  1283. 1:20:15just knowing that at the fair or
  1284. 1:20:19she knew she just needed me to admit it
  1285. 1:20:21and I would admit it yeah
  1286. 1:20:23okay
  1287. 1:20:27so we just started talking about
  1288. 1:20:29um I asked him if there's any chance
  1289. 1:20:30that the nanny cam could have recorded
  1290. 1:20:33doing what she did
  1291. 1:20:35and then we kind of we were just getting
  1292. 1:20:37into
  1293. 1:20:38you know
  1294. 1:20:39what Chris thinks about why she's found
  1295. 1:20:42um
  1296. 1:20:43who's his family
  1297. 1:20:44distress from knowing about the other
  1298. 1:20:47girl
  1299. 1:20:52knowing that she didn't really know
  1300. 1:20:53right I mean she knew
  1301. 1:21:06can we talk about a couple tough things
  1302. 1:21:10um I think we need to get it out of the
  1303. 1:21:11way
  1304. 1:21:12and just really get it out just to make
  1305. 1:21:15sure you have every chance to explain
  1306. 1:21:18exactly what happened and we have every
  1307. 1:21:19chance to ask questions
  1308. 1:21:22um
  1309. 1:21:23so the conversation happened
  1310. 1:21:27you go downstairs
  1311. 1:21:29she's still upstairs and then you see
  1312. 1:21:32what
  1313. 1:21:33I heard this commotion upstairs just
  1314. 1:21:36like you know like
  1315. 1:21:38okay
  1316. 1:21:42in the beginning of it
  1317. 1:21:53so it's not as though that annoys me to
  1318. 1:21:55run up you just found it okay
  1319. 1:22:02let's look at the Monitor and
  1320. 1:22:05it feels unbelt and where is the monitor
  1321. 1:22:08where's the screen that you look at is
  1322. 1:22:09it up or downstairs it's upstairs okay
  1323. 1:22:12so you go upstairs look at the monitor
  1324. 1:22:13yeah oh you're a master bedroom okay
  1325. 1:22:16yeah all right
  1326. 1:22:17it's still right there okay
  1327. 1:22:22and it's on Bella her covers were pulled
  1328. 1:22:25back she was just called out laying
  1329. 1:22:27there
  1330. 1:22:31and then it cycled over and so they got
  1331. 1:22:32three four five seconds
  1332. 1:22:36like interval between when they when it
  1333. 1:22:38Cycles from the room
  1334. 1:22:41and cycle it over the series room
  1335. 1:22:43that's when I saw her on top of her
  1336. 1:22:45that's not right now
  1337. 1:22:56we don't want anything to be uh
  1338. 1:23:00correct or inaccurate or or anything
  1339. 1:23:02like that
  1340. 1:23:04was your wife on top of CC
  1341. 1:23:08what did that look like I mean was she
  1342. 1:23:10straddling her
  1343. 1:23:12and where were they
  1344. 1:23:14call me back
  1345. 1:23:16and so your wife was on top of it I mean
  1346. 1:23:18squishy 11 minutes that's that's when I
  1347. 1:23:21was walking out from the back okay
  1348. 1:23:23I see a song in the back yeah yeah but
  1349. 1:23:25she was doing this it looked like it was
  1350. 1:23:27like this yeah okay
  1351. 1:23:28and then was she she face up face down
  1352. 1:23:33to the side oh she's laying on her side
  1353. 1:23:35okay that's when I pulled her off okay
  1354. 1:23:40she was blue okay there's no movement at
  1355. 1:23:43all
  1356. 1:23:44she was limp and blue her limping in
  1357. 1:23:46blue blue and blue okay it's like her
  1358. 1:23:48body it was like right he took it arm up
  1359. 1:23:51and then Falls okay
  1360. 1:23:54and then what happened
  1361. 1:23:56I looked at her and I just
  1362. 1:23:59on top of her and
  1363. 1:24:00you're gonna sell some shenan did the
  1364. 1:24:02same thing okay did you have to knock
  1365. 1:24:04her down no
  1366. 1:24:06she was already on the ground I was like
  1367. 1:24:08I just pulled her off on the bed and oh
  1368. 1:24:10kind of one movement okay so it's not as
  1369. 1:24:12though yeah I just pulled it out you
  1370. 1:24:14know like I wanna
  1371. 1:24:16pull her down I said that I I didn't
  1372. 1:24:19know I lost it sure
  1373. 1:24:21is laying on the ground
  1374. 1:24:24on the bed
  1375. 1:24:25yeah like and she was on top
  1376. 1:24:29of older
  1377. 1:24:30and
  1378. 1:24:31um
  1379. 1:24:39sure that's probably a queen of some
  1380. 1:24:41sort okay for those more I think
  1381. 1:25:02so where was the last
  1382. 1:25:04volume to the top to the top yeah
  1383. 1:25:10propulsion and down it was a cross place
  1384. 1:25:26so then if this picture as you're
  1385. 1:25:28standing in the doorway to go in with
  1386. 1:25:31his hand is that we're okay
  1387. 1:25:35and then so were they closer to this
  1388. 1:25:38side or this side
  1389. 1:25:40in the seats in the middle
  1390. 1:25:42and into your worth is right on top of
  1391. 1:25:44her you can just see that and then did
  1392. 1:25:46you pull it this way or that way or both
  1393. 1:25:48where her head was on this side right
  1394. 1:25:51over here yeah on the left if you're
  1395. 1:25:53looking at it okay did you put it fine
  1396. 1:25:56oh oh I lost it so much that it didn't
  1397. 1:26:00feel like she did okay
  1398. 1:26:01you're a pretty strong dude
  1399. 1:26:03[Music]
  1400. 1:26:04um
  1401. 1:26:06um did she
  1402. 1:26:07yelling was she screaming was she
  1403. 1:26:08talking when she's scratching you
  1404. 1:26:10nothing but
  1405. 1:26:13um
  1406. 1:26:13and you guys and stuff
  1407. 1:26:17such anger that nothing I didn't feel
  1408. 1:26:20anything okay
  1409. 1:26:21all right like if she did nothing
  1410. 1:26:23nothing's on me was it quick was it slow
  1411. 1:26:27was it
  1412. 1:26:30also Anonymous felt like it was it was
  1413. 1:26:32over
  1414. 1:26:34Princeton professed okay fell out
  1415. 1:26:38is it possible or next broken
  1416. 1:26:41oh so okay
  1417. 1:26:43never programs about
  1418. 1:26:47all right
  1419. 1:26:49um was it a joke like this or was it
  1420. 1:26:52like a headlock
  1421. 1:27:02like that
  1422. 1:27:07and your wife Michelle her with one hand
  1423. 1:27:09or two hands
  1424. 1:27:10and I just left in the back I couldn't
  1425. 1:27:12really like
  1426. 1:27:12what I tell
  1427. 1:27:18oh she was on top of her
  1428. 1:27:20the monitor is not like
  1429. 1:27:23color it's black and white
  1430. 1:27:25nighttime is black and white okay
  1431. 1:27:30it's dark
  1432. 1:27:31can you because you went up the stairs
  1433. 1:27:33right to talk to
  1434. 1:27:35shenanigan
  1435. 1:27:36and then
  1436. 1:27:38did you think it's weird that she found
  1437. 1:27:39in the room where you left her
  1438. 1:27:41so I walked in and looked around
  1439. 1:27:44saw the Monitor and I saw Bella
  1440. 1:27:47and so started CT pretty fast and that's
  1441. 1:27:49when I saw that
  1442. 1:27:52foreign
  1443. 1:28:06no okay
  1444. 1:28:12people in my family have always said
  1445. 1:28:14she's unstable my friends
  1446. 1:28:16I'd never like would have thought
  1447. 1:28:18too many fucking years
  1448. 1:28:20who says she's unstable
  1449. 1:28:23um my family my friend Mark
  1450. 1:28:27people that have seen her around me
  1451. 1:28:33oh my bad picture of her
  1452. 1:28:35well it doesn't look good I'm not gonna
  1453. 1:28:37lie
  1454. 1:28:39looks actually pretty bad
  1455. 1:28:47these girls you know fell on Cece and
  1456. 1:28:50Shania is it possible when we get them
  1457. 1:28:54that we're going to see anything other
  1458. 1:28:57than the cause of death being her hands
  1459. 1:29:03and what I mean by that and I should be
  1460. 1:29:04very clear
  1461. 1:29:05is that
  1462. 1:29:07um it
  1463. 1:29:09it's some some of it's hard to believe
  1464. 1:29:11that your wife did it or not right you
  1465. 1:29:13can imagine that oh no okay so is it
  1466. 1:29:16possible that
  1467. 1:29:17maybe she
  1468. 1:29:19did one
  1469. 1:29:22and then you got shenan so easy to
  1470. 1:29:25Shannon what she did to one of your
  1471. 1:29:26daughters and then you had to just do it
  1472. 1:29:28to the other one so I think okay
  1473. 1:29:30someone's there that's not no no okay
  1474. 1:29:35is it possible that
  1475. 1:29:37is there any other way where we might
  1476. 1:29:39see your hands on the girl's neck
  1477. 1:29:42and you know what I mean because when we
  1478. 1:29:44find Their little bodies oh no we're
  1479. 1:29:46gonna see the diameter of someone's hand
  1480. 1:29:48yeah and someone's fingers right so is
  1481. 1:29:51it at all possible or no see yours no
  1482. 1:29:54all right and I know it's hard and I
  1483. 1:29:56know you're probably getting angry at my
  1484. 1:29:57question but we have to ask
  1485. 1:30:01um okay
  1486. 1:30:06can you think of that question
  1487. 1:30:11let my family down
  1488. 1:30:15I got my tat down on my mom my sister my
  1489. 1:30:19nephew needs his friends co-workers
  1490. 1:30:26everybody
  1491. 1:30:33can I ask you another tough question
  1492. 1:30:35and just get it all on the table
  1493. 1:30:39shenan
  1494. 1:30:42choking strangling
  1495. 1:30:45for us
  1496. 1:30:48and you get her off of Celeste
  1497. 1:30:51do you think
  1498. 1:30:53um about calling an ambulance
  1499. 1:31:00and I've never seen
  1500. 1:31:02something like that in my life
  1501. 1:31:05I mean she just like way over like
  1502. 1:31:07nothing was moving at all no gas no
  1503. 1:31:11breath
  1504. 1:31:12just totally just oh okay doing the
  1505. 1:31:16shower for a long time no I
  1506. 1:31:20I know a lot of about
  1507. 1:31:22ecology and there's Partners like
  1508. 1:31:24working what people are thinking and
  1509. 1:31:25most parents
  1510. 1:31:27will never even want to Fathom that
  1511. 1:31:30their kids or the kid is dead even if
  1512. 1:31:32their kids stiff blue in bed I mean
  1513. 1:31:35stiff like been dead all night they
  1514. 1:31:37still call the ambulance to see if
  1515. 1:31:39someone can revive their child
  1516. 1:31:42when the animals get that gets there and
  1517. 1:31:44they're like
  1518. 1:31:46that has been dead all night like
  1519. 1:31:48there's nothing we could do the person's
  1520. 1:31:50like what are you why are you not doing
  1521. 1:31:51something what are you talking about
  1522. 1:31:53but that's what I'm that's what we're
  1523. 1:31:54used to so I just that's why I want you
  1524. 1:31:56to explain to me like what was going on
  1525. 1:31:58in your head and where did I felt for
  1526. 1:32:00what she was what she did
  1527. 1:32:04I just took over
  1528. 1:32:13but do you see that yeah
  1529. 1:32:16that's the order coming from those
  1530. 1:32:18parents would still try and call me
  1531. 1:32:19where you're coming from
  1532. 1:32:21wow
  1533. 1:32:39I just I would hate for
  1534. 1:32:42shenan to get a bad rap
  1535. 1:32:44she didn't have anything to do it you
  1536. 1:32:46know it's not fair enough
  1537. 1:32:49yeah
  1538. 1:32:52like enough bad stuff has happened but
  1539. 1:32:54like we need to stop the bad stuff
  1540. 1:33:01that is true
  1541. 1:33:13I want to make sure
  1542. 1:33:18so you're good with the public knowing
  1543. 1:33:19that shenan killed her daughters I did
  1544. 1:33:21not hurt these girls are you okay with
  1545. 1:33:23the public knowing that shenan yes
  1546. 1:33:25because I did not have these girls
  1547. 1:33:32Chris I'm not sure
  1548. 1:33:53if you didn't save them either
  1549. 1:33:57you know
  1550. 1:33:58know that
  1551. 1:34:02I know that should I foundations either
  1552. 1:34:06this makes sense nothing like why she
  1553. 1:34:09would be there any I know this makes
  1554. 1:34:12sense
  1555. 1:34:18you sure didn't touch
  1556. 1:34:20it oh my God no
  1557. 1:34:26no Chris you can imagine that
  1558. 1:34:32we're pretty cynical in our jobs right
  1559. 1:34:34and tonight we've had to talk a lot
  1560. 1:34:37about a lot of things and
  1561. 1:34:42don't get mad but what it looks like is
  1562. 1:34:44that
  1563. 1:34:46you found a new life
  1564. 1:34:48and the only way to get that new elect
  1565. 1:34:49was to get rid of the old life
  1566. 1:34:52and I think that you killed these girls
  1567. 1:34:55before their mom came home and then
  1568. 1:34:57killed him now
  1569. 1:35:00and that's what we're kind of left
  1570. 1:35:01that's what we have to believe because
  1571. 1:35:03it just doesn't make sense I mean to her
  1572. 1:35:06point
  1573. 1:35:07if I walked in and my kid was
  1574. 1:35:09decapitated I call an ambulance right
  1575. 1:35:12knowing there's no hope it just it just
  1576. 1:35:15doesn't make sense it just doesn't add
  1577. 1:35:17up so
  1578. 1:35:19either you're this monster so I just
  1579. 1:35:22want this young hot girlfriend so I'm
  1580. 1:35:24going to kill everyone and hope it works
  1581. 1:35:26out
  1582. 1:35:26for something
  1583. 1:35:29so I think we're very very close to the
  1584. 1:35:32truth but not about there it is
  1585. 1:35:38so if you're not that monster I'm not a
  1586. 1:35:40monster I didn't
  1587. 1:35:43home my babies okay
  1588. 1:35:52so
  1589. 1:35:57I know but you know we're getting later
  1590. 1:36:00into the day we've done this a few times
  1591. 1:36:01and we we talk and we show you a little
  1592. 1:36:06bit of what we're working with some
  1593. 1:36:07evidence and facts that we know and then
  1594. 1:36:08we kind of get our way to the truth
  1595. 1:36:11okay everything absolutely true
  1596. 1:36:16so what's going to happen when their
  1597. 1:36:18cause of death comes back to you for the
  1598. 1:36:20girls not going to okay
  1599. 1:36:22are you sure I'm 100 positive it's not
  1600. 1:36:25going to come back to me
  1601. 1:36:27who's going to come back
  1602. 1:36:29that was on top of CC okay
  1603. 1:36:37I just want the truth
  1604. 1:36:41Bella was laid out sprawling her bed
  1605. 1:36:45and I saw
  1606. 1:36:46shooting on top of see if you start
  1607. 1:36:47raining in there
  1608. 1:36:51and what happens when a coroner looks
  1609. 1:36:54and says it's easy or fingerprints on
  1610. 1:36:56her
  1611. 1:37:00okay what is it going to be
  1612. 1:37:01it's gonna be Shazam
  1613. 1:37:03pretty sure well we don't know about
  1614. 1:37:04Bella Ryan but we don't know about that
  1615. 1:37:07it's just I'm speech now on top of red
  1616. 1:37:10okay that's the commotion I heard
  1617. 1:37:12upstairs you know I'm assuming okay
  1618. 1:37:18why take their bodies out of the house
  1619. 1:37:21and
  1620. 1:37:23how scared I didn't know what else to do
  1621. 1:37:25okay nothing nothing
  1622. 1:37:29was gonna
  1623. 1:37:30I didn't know what to do yeah
  1624. 1:37:33honestly didn't know what to do it
  1625. 1:37:35scared of what
  1626. 1:37:37scared of what everything was gonna look
  1627. 1:37:39like there's my two babies were gone and
  1628. 1:37:41I just did that to my wife
  1629. 1:37:44and I was the only one left in the house
  1630. 1:37:46what do you expect was gonna happen yeah
  1631. 1:37:48they do look bad right hey look I mean
  1632. 1:37:51this was a nightmare yeah
  1633. 1:37:55okay
  1634. 1:37:59this can give them any problems as
  1635. 1:38:01you've had listening
  1636. 1:38:04at the end of the day
  1637. 1:38:06it's too much of a pretty good Mom right
  1638. 1:38:10that was a pretty good dad as well
  1639. 1:38:14apparently known person until you don't
  1640. 1:38:16know a person
  1641. 1:38:26hate for
  1642. 1:38:29someone who can't defend themselves
  1643. 1:38:33like shenan and Bella Angela
  1644. 1:38:37like I mean if if you're not being too
  1645. 1:38:40tall about
  1646. 1:38:42who took their lives
  1647. 1:38:44like that's on them too and you don't
  1648. 1:38:47want to do that to them not doing that
  1649. 1:38:49though
  1650. 1:38:53I understand I mean I'm not doing that
  1651. 1:38:55to them
  1652. 1:39:04I do think you were a good dad I think
  1653. 1:39:06you're I think shenan was a good mom
  1654. 1:39:08I think you guys were doing everything
  1655. 1:39:10you could possibly do for those girls
  1656. 1:39:12and look at them
  1657. 1:39:15why didn't you push your hand on things
  1658. 1:39:27I didn't know what else to do
  1659. 1:39:30how far down is she
  1660. 1:39:37like two feet Maybe
  1661. 1:39:40how long does it take you to take that
  1662. 1:39:44give me an idea
  1663. 1:39:52does anyone ever like go up this ladder
  1664. 1:39:55and like look in things
  1665. 1:39:58so how are you gonna avoid that or is it
  1666. 1:40:01you that does that anybody that goes to
  1667. 1:40:04location
  1668. 1:40:06how often is that done that those tanks
  1669. 1:40:08are checked
  1670. 1:40:13than just their
  1671. 1:40:15making enough oil or whatnot what's a
  1672. 1:40:18leak
  1673. 1:40:19so do you want someone to find them
  1674. 1:40:23and no one else could do something
  1675. 1:40:26that's the location I was going out to
  1676. 1:40:27that morning and that's
  1677. 1:40:30I didn't know what else to do
  1678. 1:40:33so you weren't thinking that far ahead
  1679. 1:40:34no
  1680. 1:40:37no
  1681. 1:40:49yesterday when you were talking
  1682. 1:40:53um and again this is before we kind of
  1683. 1:40:55got to this moment today
  1684. 1:40:57you mentioned that
  1685. 1:41:00we were talking shit I don't know where
  1686. 1:41:01they are I don't know where they are and
  1687. 1:41:03then you said something along the lines
  1688. 1:41:04of whatever happened to him is acted
  1689. 1:41:06pure evil what does that mean
  1690. 1:41:12what is this
  1691. 1:41:14the people that I saw
  1692. 1:41:16a walk behind
  1693. 1:41:17the topic
  1694. 1:41:21too and I thought evil for God did Mr
  1695. 1:41:23Man
  1696. 1:41:27okay
  1697. 1:41:33so
  1698. 1:41:35one other thing that doesn't make sense
  1699. 1:41:36to me
  1700. 1:41:38is well I don't know
  1701. 1:41:47can you walk me through again
  1702. 1:41:50when you walked in what did she look
  1703. 1:41:52like
  1704. 1:41:54what did she she never look like all
  1705. 1:41:55yourselves are back
  1706. 1:41:57was it the same shirt that you buried
  1707. 1:41:58during
  1708. 1:41:59same underwear
  1709. 1:42:01and then when she wearing pajamas
  1710. 1:42:04for that yeah that's what she said oh
  1711. 1:42:07she's been Center everywhere and no
  1712. 1:42:09pajamas no shorts nothing like that so
  1713. 1:42:11then when you grab her
  1714. 1:42:14um just as is that's how she gets to the
  1715. 1:42:16drug and how she gets to the site
  1716. 1:42:22so did Japan ever go to bed
  1717. 1:42:26like I put her back into bed no no like
  1718. 1:42:29when she got home
  1719. 1:42:31did any of that happen where she went
  1720. 1:42:33like she got into bed and then you woke
  1721. 1:42:34her up at four like that too because it
  1722. 1:42:37looks like there's some purchase of some
  1723. 1:42:39hair care products and
  1724. 1:42:43let you know about that
  1725. 1:42:46and her credit card was denied
  1726. 1:42:51you know
  1727. 1:42:52you said you don't really use for credit
  1728. 1:42:54cards though my credit card no would you
  1729. 1:42:57have bought hair care products at 2 30
  1730. 1:42:59in the morning that morning
  1731. 1:43:02did she
  1732. 1:43:03get mad at you because there's no money
  1733. 1:43:07to show about like was that part of this
  1734. 1:43:10is the first I've heard of that
  1735. 1:43:13as far as your hair care products in the
  1736. 1:43:14car are coming tonight I mean
  1737. 1:43:17and I'm not lying about that I'm just
  1738. 1:43:19that's why I'm asking about that is
  1739. 1:43:20something that came up
  1740. 1:43:23is there any reason that she would have
  1741. 1:43:25a black eye Shania
  1742. 1:43:28it's not from a slap or a punch or
  1743. 1:43:31nothing like that whatever okay punch
  1744. 1:43:33yourself
  1745. 1:43:35is there any reason she would have a
  1746. 1:43:36stat mark on her money no
  1747. 1:43:39and no other reason for death
  1748. 1:43:42Coroner's not going to find rat poison
  1749. 1:43:44in her stomach
  1750. 1:43:48the only way that she died she was
  1751. 1:43:50living breathing and wasn't living
  1752. 1:43:52breathing after your hands on her neck
  1753. 1:44:09what were you talking to
  1754. 1:44:11Nikki about before your wife got home
  1755. 1:44:17of course you go
  1756. 1:44:19you talked for like several hours
  1757. 1:44:23and we talk a lot
  1758. 1:44:26conversations
  1759. 1:44:28random conversations we talk a lot
  1760. 1:44:32does Nikki know about any of this
  1761. 1:44:35seriously
  1762. 1:44:37no way I mean she knows like from the
  1763. 1:44:40news and everything like that
  1764. 1:44:43anything else you can show her anything
  1765. 1:44:48does she know your wife was pregnant
  1766. 1:44:50she doesn't know and I told her that
  1767. 1:44:53she didn't know at the time
  1768. 1:44:55how come you didn't tell her I was
  1769. 1:44:58scared too
  1770. 1:45:01I felt like you know
  1771. 1:45:05like she wasn't even like gone on a date
  1772. 1:45:07with me and she knew that so it's
  1773. 1:45:11did she know you were married with kids
  1774. 1:45:13yes okay but just not pregnant yes
  1775. 1:45:19that's all that you know like we were we
  1776. 1:45:21were actively tried
  1777. 1:45:23before we met
  1778. 1:45:26um trying to get pregnant okay
  1779. 1:45:32um you can imagine that when we go talk
  1780. 1:45:34to people going forward everyone's going
  1781. 1:45:37to try to distance themselves from any
  1782. 1:45:39of this yes and so it's what's going to
  1783. 1:45:42happen when Nikki says no it was our
  1784. 1:45:44plan to kill everyone and run off
  1785. 1:45:45together
  1786. 1:45:51we were going to talk to her absolutely
  1787. 1:45:53we have to
  1788. 1:45:58so can we eat ahead of that for you can
  1789. 1:46:01we can hold that out right now I mean so
  1790. 1:46:04are you sure she's not going to say oh I
  1791. 1:46:06kind of knew he was going to kill him no
  1792. 1:46:07she's not going to say no okay
  1793. 1:46:10and she's not gonna say boy we were
  1794. 1:46:12making plans about buying a house or an
  1795. 1:46:14apartment she can say that like she
  1796. 1:46:17really gives us
  1797. 1:46:18like once I had my own place like you
  1798. 1:46:20know like hang out more okay
  1799. 1:46:22so after this information after that
  1800. 1:46:24dust settled then you would have
  1801. 1:46:26availability to go scenicing can you
  1802. 1:46:29send talks like that
  1803. 1:46:30yeah I mean like she generally like me
  1804. 1:46:37please don't put her name out there
  1805. 1:46:45so it's just like that we we never try
  1806. 1:46:47to put out but I'm just really but you
  1807. 1:46:49guys that they got from an affair they
  1808. 1:46:51would they would drag her through the
  1809. 1:46:53mud I don't want that you know we're
  1810. 1:46:55certainly not going to try to make that
  1811. 1:46:56happen
  1812. 1:46:59ing I know this press conference except
  1813. 1:47:04everything
  1814. 1:47:10so what do you think about everything
  1815. 1:47:11now
  1816. 1:47:18you feel sorry for what you did
  1817. 1:47:21I wish I would I would have lost some
  1818. 1:47:23control
  1819. 1:47:30and then did that
  1820. 1:47:34one
  1821. 1:47:36thing yes
  1822. 1:47:49um
  1823. 1:48:03so after we after we look at their
  1824. 1:48:05bodies
  1825. 1:48:06we're gonna have a lot more questions
  1826. 1:48:09things are going to be different than
  1827. 1:48:11if you're willing we'd love to talk to
  1828. 1:48:13you then too
  1829. 1:48:27he's really good today Chris
  1830. 1:48:29really good
  1831. 1:48:30I think you have about 24 hours of
  1832. 1:48:34not just a hellish nightmare thrust upon
  1833. 1:48:36you and
  1834. 1:48:37you know you certainly did what you did
  1835. 1:48:38but
  1836. 1:48:39I think into collages to make it better
  1837. 1:48:41today
  1838. 1:48:44sorry I'll ask you last night before
  1839. 1:48:46everybody
  1840. 1:48:51I'm not okay you were here for a reason
  1841. 1:48:54well there's a reason why I didn't
  1842. 1:48:57that I came in because
  1843. 1:49:01that's the reason why I come in with a
  1844. 1:49:02lawyer agreement so it's like kind of
  1845. 1:49:04this is gonna happen so
  1846. 1:49:08we appreciate that
  1847. 1:49:24you know eventually they were gonna find
  1848. 1:49:26them out there
  1849. 1:49:28so it was kind of inevitable
  1850. 1:49:31and you were just been sitting at home
  1851. 1:49:33waiting for that moment to happen
  1852. 1:49:38and then one then what does it look like
  1853. 1:49:41it looks
  1854. 1:49:51probably
  1855. 1:49:57there's many people that say that you're
  1856. 1:49:59an amazing guy and you would never do
  1857. 1:50:01anything bad and never has never lost
  1858. 1:50:02your temper and you know all those
  1859. 1:50:05people that say that about you
  1860. 1:50:07there's
  1861. 1:50:08just as many that would say that about
  1862. 1:50:10Cheyenne
  1863. 1:50:12so
  1864. 1:50:13we're going to struggle with that for a
  1865. 1:50:16while
  1866. 1:50:17I'm struggling with it right now I'll be
  1867. 1:50:19honest I know who you are I'm a mom
  1868. 1:50:22anybody would
  1869. 1:50:27how do we prove the best that she handed
  1870. 1:50:29it
  1871. 1:50:36the body I guess that's the only thing
  1872. 1:50:37here
  1873. 1:50:41's another okay
  1874. 1:50:45but there are going to be hand marks
  1875. 1:50:47like they weren't supposed to know
  1876. 1:50:52and Bella I don't know but
  1877. 1:50:57there was no problem on top of her I
  1878. 1:50:59didn't see uh
  1879. 1:51:08why were there sheets in the trash
  1880. 1:51:11in the kitchen
  1881. 1:51:13those are the same ones out there
  1882. 1:51:16foreign
  1883. 1:51:32[Music]
  1884. 1:51:34like you didn't even try and hide that
  1885. 1:51:37but I I was so scared I didn't know what
  1886. 1:51:39to do
  1887. 1:51:41did someone come up on you or something
  1888. 1:51:43no
  1889. 1:51:45were you afraid they were going to start
  1890. 1:51:46showing up
  1891. 1:51:47I know they're they're on their way out
  1892. 1:51:49there but I mean
  1893. 1:51:51it's a long way out there
  1894. 1:51:52so I know um
  1895. 1:51:54before I forget I knew the victor a lot
  1896. 1:51:57of electron
  1897. 1:51:59IC routers and stuff
  1898. 1:52:02um
  1899. 1:52:02like that's not going to show that she
  1900. 1:52:04was using her phone like at a time that
  1901. 1:52:06you said
  1902. 1:52:07she was
  1903. 1:52:09in the kids or something right okay do
  1904. 1:52:12you what is the password to like all the
  1905. 1:52:14electronics in your house I know there
  1906. 1:52:16was an iPad iPad should be 2385
  1907. 1:52:20two three eight five
  1908. 1:52:24is there a there's not one for the Apple
  1909. 1:52:26watches right there should be two three
  1910. 1:52:28eight five
  1911. 1:52:30is that for yours too uh three three
  1912. 1:52:33seven
  1913. 1:52:39two three seven
  1914. 1:52:44two three and one other stuff do you
  1915. 1:52:46have to do is there a router like is
  1916. 1:52:47there a password for that shiny chair of
  1917. 1:52:50six
  1918. 1:52:53and stole from uh
  1919. 1:52:58s-h-i-n-y-c-h-a-i-r-6 number six
  1920. 1:53:04and then what else is was it is there a
  1921. 1:53:07desktop computer yeah that one yes if it
  1922. 1:53:10has a password it'd be
  1923. 1:53:12um 428
  1924. 1:53:14-4915
  1925. 1:53:16capital S lowercase w
  1926. 1:53:21okay
  1927. 1:53:24is there anything else from the house as
  1928. 1:53:26far as Electronics go and tablets
  1929. 1:53:29that's the only real set the other one
  1930. 1:53:31is the kids stuff but there's like
  1931. 1:53:33they're just like
  1932. 1:53:36and you're you have an iPhone what which
  1933. 1:53:39one is that your personal life is iPhone
  1934. 1:53:41like
  1935. 1:53:46what's the temperature
  1936. 1:53:50and what about your work phone Sam
  1937. 1:53:54there's others on here
  1938. 1:53:57and I was wishing man had a iPhone right
  1939. 1:54:01and what was her password
  1940. 1:54:03so it changed to zero one three one
  1941. 1:54:07nineteen
  1942. 1:54:09what was that password the uh due date
  1943. 1:54:13the next day okay
  1944. 1:54:15Nikki told me that one Nicole told me
  1945. 1:54:17though
  1946. 1:54:21yeah it was getting us very confusing so
  1947. 1:54:24no other electronics uh what about the
  1948. 1:54:27echo does it have a password no no you
  1949. 1:54:29never know if it did or not okay
  1950. 1:54:32let me just say Alexa and it starts
  1951. 1:54:34listening oh to Alexa is it that Echo
  1952. 1:54:37Show s yeah yeah okay the big product
  1953. 1:54:40it's called the nickel okay
  1954. 1:54:43any other ones that you can think of
  1955. 1:54:50okay
  1956. 1:54:52where do you guys Bank
  1957. 1:54:53Chase in USA
  1958. 1:54:55which one was the um when you went out
  1959. 1:54:58to dinner with Nikki okay that was Chase
  1960. 1:55:02and USAA is that mortgage is that bank
  1961. 1:55:05uh chases are mortgage under okay
  1962. 1:55:11because checking to them too I just
  1963. 1:55:18use
  1964. 1:55:20uh we use that to pay mortgage too but
  1965. 1:55:23it's just another she had that before
  1966. 1:55:25she met me
  1967. 1:55:27and in the account that you had
  1968. 1:55:28personally
  1969. 1:55:30beyond all of this okay
  1970. 1:55:45through the boys
  1971. 1:55:54oh the um security system
  1972. 1:56:04that's either going to be three three
  1973. 1:56:05seven or two three five one or two
  1974. 1:56:11and the passcode like like this mustang
  1975. 1:56:14for
  1976. 1:56:15the easier enough to talk to them proper
  1977. 1:56:18passcode
  1978. 1:56:25and then what email is associated with
  1979. 1:56:27that question and then watch gmail.com
  1980. 1:56:42uh it's just any error if most of your
  1981. 1:56:45password do that okay
  1982. 1:56:48it was on everything
  1983. 1:56:51yeah what is that there's a phone number
  1984. 1:56:52inside yeah what phone number is that
  1985. 1:56:55her ex-husband's mom
  1986. 1:56:58okay that's weird just stick with the
  1987. 1:57:01password you just remembered that she
  1988. 1:57:03said it that long
  1989. 1:57:11do you have any other questions for us
  1990. 1:57:14here's the bathroom yes of course
  1991. 1:57:17um we need to do one quick thing
  1992. 1:57:20what we know
  1993. 1:57:22we're going to um
  1994. 1:57:24and check that you don't have any
  1995. 1:57:25weapons on your
  1996. 1:57:26own
  1997. 1:57:30we'll do that we'll go to the bathroom
  1998. 1:57:32I'm not going to go in the stall with
  1999. 1:57:34you but I'm going to go with you
  2000. 1:57:35and then we'll come right back here
  2001. 1:57:36we'll make a decision about how the rest
  2002. 1:57:37of the night goes
  2003. 1:57:39all right so you might have seen it up
  2004. 1:57:40second check
  2005. 1:57:52foreign
  2006. 1:58:13[Music]
  2007. 1:58:27foreign

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