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0:00[Music]
0:02the focus of my talk is really the
0:03disconnect between kind of what you're
0:05expected to believe in really modern
0:09upper middle class life not just
0:11Academia and reality and I talk about
0:14everything from perceptions of Native
0:16Americans is very peaceful across the
0:18great warrior tribes to some of the
0:20claims made by black lives matter and by
0:23the by the altri and response today just
0:25things that everyone's heard but that
0:27are completely untrue why why does that
0:29happen what's the what's the root
0:32there welcome again to the Wednesday
0:35speaker series thank you so much for all
0:36of you for making such an effort to be
0:38out here we are on a real tear here of
0:41fantastic speakers who bring us closer
0:43to our State admission of the Fess
0:46Pursuit Of Truth and we are going to
0:48look at that from a different angle
0:49again this week with our wonderful guest
0:51speaker uh who's been in the house and
0:53has already spent some time with some of
0:55you in close discussion which is
0:56fantastic thank you very much for doing
0:58that sir it strikes me when I was
1:01gathering my introduction for today that
1:04the term hate crime is part of the the
1:07Lexicon of political language um for you
1:10all growing up um maybe when you were in
1:13high school this is a term that you
1:14would have become very familiar with but
1:17it was almost completely absent from
1:19mine uh and it may be that uh my parents
1:23my grandparents maybe that was a term uh
1:25indeed that they did actually grapple
1:27with um but I know it was not something
1:29that ever kind of raised its head while
1:32I was at school um two decades ago so in
1:36service of the persuit of truth I
1:38visited a website named USA
1:41facts presume that's where I learn facts
1:44about America not being
1:46American uh and it told me that reported
1:50hate crimes have risen 108% over the
1:52last 9
1:53years from a low of
1:565,597 in
1:582014 to
2:0011,643 in
2:032022 this seems extreme so I checked it
2:05with an even more trusted Source the
2:08FBI and the FBI tells us that indeed
2:11there has been a massive increase in
2:14hate crimes the FBI tells us that the
2:17data reveals hate crime incidents are
2:20indeed increasing year
2:22onye and maybe it's a good thing that
2:25our speaker for today um has
2:28investigated the idea of rising hate
2:31crimes
2:32extensively not just hate crimes
2:35investigated a whole number of things
2:37that have entered popular debate
2:40today um but still pose us with great
2:44difficulties in Discerning what the
2:45truth of the matter actually is and I
2:48suspect that maybe once trusted sources
2:52are not actually so trusted anymore
2:55whether that be institutions or perhaps
2:59and maybe this is something our speaker
3:00will get into
3:02individuals people given roles in
3:04society as truth tellers of course that
3:07person is Wilfred Riley who joins us
3:11today from Kentucky and our great dean
3:15of the senat for economics politics and
3:17history who himself is a habitual truth
3:19teller is going to come and say a few
3:22words uh to give a more fome welcome to
3:24Professor Riley would you welcome Dean
3:26Morgan maretta
3:33[Applause]
3:35when I talk to you like this I often
3:39take the opportunity to remind you that
3:42people are lying to
3:44you and I am thrilled today to have
3:49someone with us who will back me up on
3:52that today we had Wilford Riley one of
3:55the great Publican intellectuals of the
3:56current
3:58day I think whenever we have a speaker
4:00in especially on a Wednesday like this
4:03for the whole university you should ask
4:05yourself the question of why why that
4:08one why that person I could have asked a
4:11lot of
4:13people why
4:14him he was the top of my list of people
4:18I wanted to invite in speak to students
4:21and you should always ask why just like
4:23when Patrick Denine was here last week
4:26and and let me say something about a
4:27comparison of the two and why you're
4:29forc forunate to see them in a row
4:32Patrick Denine is one of the great
4:34classical
4:36Scholars he was speaking about high
4:40Theory today you're going to see high
4:44empiricism which is the partner of that
4:49it's the great ideas
4:51combined with the look at evidence that
4:55actually takes you where you want to go
4:59you're recall from last week's
5:01discussion what Professor Denine was
5:03telling you was that the
5:05Odyssey is not just a great adventure
5:07story it's about the seeking of
5:08knowledge what odesus really wanted was
5:10knowledge he was offered these deals
5:13about what knowledge would cost him and
5:15in the current day knowledge is
5:17especially difficult to find and the
5:20cost you will pay not just for finding
5:23it but for speaking it is excessively
5:26high and that's the combination of what
5:28you saw last week about high Theory and
5:30this week about high empiricism and if
5:32you can do both now you will be doing
5:35what uhx was designed to actually do
5:39what Professor Riley is known for is
5:41creatus empiricism he has this great
5:43phrase which I have stolen the uh most
5:45sincere form of flattery and use a lot
5:48that he says that in the current day you
5:50are told you have a duty to pretend a
5:54duty to pretend to pretend that the
5:57things that are socially acceptable are
5:59true even though you know they're not
6:02but you have a duty to pretend you do
6:06not have such a duty you have an
6:10obligation to
6:11observe I was talking to my son uh Mason
6:15who seven uh he wanted to know about
6:17Lord of the
6:18Flies which as you know is the
6:20spectacular novel by William Golding and
6:23you may not know that Golding in his
6:26early years was a liberal and then he
6:28fought in World War II which made him a
6:30conservative and he struggled the rest
6:32of his life trying to reconcile what he
6:35thought of humans from different
6:39ideological perspectives and there's
6:41this great essay of his called the hot
6:43Gates where he's looking at Old battles
6:47and he's asking
6:49himself what happened on these
6:51battlefields and he has this great
6:53phrase in this essay that we have the
6:55duty and the necessity of trying to
6:59understand
7:00the duty and the necessity of trying to
7:03understand and that is what I think we
7:07actually
7:08have will Riley has written three
7:11fascinating books he was first well
7:14known for hate crime hoax he wrote taboo
7:1710 facts you can't talk about and then
7:20he wrote lies my teacher taught me great
7:23great book all our attempts to
7:27understand things that people in the
7:28current world World wish you to not
7:32understand he's written popular articles
7:35now in the triple digits at uh
7:37commentary Newsweek academic questions
7:39qued national viiew law and Liberty Miz
7:41magazine tablet City Journal Trager U he
7:45has a particular Talent a knack for
7:48explaining important empirical topics to
7:52a popular
7:53audience and that is what he's going to
7:55be talking about today the crea's
7:57empiricism that uhx was founded to
8:01follow let me end here with a word about
8:05University mots and truth you all know
8:09that the motto of Harvard is Veritas I
8:12was an undergraduate at University of
8:14Pittsburgh and we used to joke that the
8:16Pittsburgh motto was veritus and verus
8:19truth and virtue which made us one step
8:21better than the Harvard undergrad
8:23because we also cared about virtue as
8:24well as truth you surely know that both
8:26are lacking on college campuses in the
8:29current day they're lacking truth
8:30because they're lacking courage they
8:32have not the courage to actually look at
8:34evidence that people don't want them to
8:35look
8:36at they have neither one you've also
8:39heard me talk about James Madison's
8:42personal
8:45motto Veritas nonverbal majestry the
8:50truth not the word of the teacher don't
8:54trust what is told you simply because
8:57someone has said it in investigate the
9:00evidence for yourself as he does as you
9:03should
9:04do I propose that as the motto for
9:08uatx veras nonverbal magistrate the
9:12truth not the word of the teacher
9:14imagine if we adopted it as ours it
9:16would be the most intellectually humble
9:18motto of every University in America the
9:20one that encourages you to question not
9:23just the truth but the teachers
9:24themselves the institution itself to
9:27challenge us even the teacher especially
9:31the teacher the skills you will learn
9:34doing that are the ones Professor Riley
9:36is going to talk about today know how to
9:38seek empirical evidence know how to
9:40interrogate that empirical evidence and
9:43have the courage to speak it and let the
9:46chips fall as they do that takes courage
9:52and that is why wilf Riley is
9:56here Professor Riley
10:06hello all right how are you
10:09guys yeah good good to hear so I'm will
10:13Riley I hope I don't disappoint after
10:16the introductions always a worry at some
10:18level as a speaker but I'm an associate
10:21professor of politics at Kentucky State
10:24University a historically black college
10:26located in the Kentucky state capital
10:29and I'm the author by now of as was
10:31noted a couple of books I wrote the book
10:33hate crime hoax uh I wrote a book called
10:36taboo 10 facts you can't talk about and
10:39I most recently wrote uh the book Lies
10:42my liberal teacher told me a response to
10:46an older book simply titled lies my
10:48teacher told me which I think updated it
10:50a bit for a a new and rather different
10:54era so I'm very happy to be here I love
10:57the U Austin model uh hope to return at
11:01some point in the future and my topic
11:04today is something that's sort of a
11:06through line across all of my books
11:09which is the extraordinary disconnect
11:12between reality and what it is politely
11:15conventional to believe in modern
11:18Academia and also in sort of upper
11:20middle class life more broadly so in an
11:25era where a very real survey question
11:27this is from a Gad s in 2021 is forgive
11:31me do you believe that some women have
11:339-in penises I believe with reason and
11:36you can answer that yes or no these are
11:38Anonymous but uh I believe with reason
11:40that this disconnect this Gap may be
11:43larger than it has been at any time
11:47since the era of essentially mandatory
11:49religion came to an end so in my lives
11:53book a Core theme is that the average
11:56educated person is constantly told
11:59basically two things by people in
12:02positions of intellectual Power by
12:05secondary Educators by uh professors and
12:08Don like myself uh by television news
12:13readers and uh similar Critters the
12:17first is that Society is essentially
12:20dominated by the political right uh and
12:24that these how would you say this these
12:27pro-social members of dominant groups
12:30present our society and our history in
12:33an unfairly positive light uh I think
12:37this is fairly non-controversial if you
12:39take 30 seconds to analyze the idea we
12:42hear constantly about white supremacy
12:45and the trickiness of the patriarchy and
12:48at least until a couple years ago about
12:50the importance of getting woke to the
12:52story that you're being
12:53fed um so theme one in society at least
12:58when I read through the ademic journals
12:59and so on is that a particular group of
13:03very conventional people uh control the
13:07narrative that you hear and are telling
13:09you lies in essence the second common
13:13theme is that this what I just described
13:16this constant positive message from the
13:19right is all untrue and that we
13:22westerners might very well have the
13:24worst civilization
13:26ever um we kept slaves we oppressed
13:30women to a unique degree we dropped huge
13:34Sun bombs on innocent people of color to
13:36end a
13:37war um how often have you heard that the
13:40two real pillars that the United States
13:43has built upon are slavery and
13:46genocide I'm having fun and puffing a
13:49very very small amount but this is all
13:51very conventional modern content it's uh
13:54ibram kendi Rich Delgado the 1619
13:58project
14:00uh Howard zin's people's histories of
14:02the United States and more uh old school
14:06boss men goes the narrative still run
14:09our white supremacist patriarchal
14:12postcolonial homophobic transphobic Demi
14:17phobic speciesist society and almost the
14:21real goal of a college education I was
14:23told this myself as a young
14:24African-American and Native man uh
14:27almost the real goal of a college
14:29education is learning about their
14:30untruths and about how oppressed you are
14:33in whatever unique way you may be
14:36oppressed that varies from personto
14:37person but in reality researching at
14:40least my latest two books what I found
14:43is that almost the exact opposite of
14:46this narrative is more accurate that's
14:48not to say there aren't power relations
14:50in society but the people presenting
14:53themselves as edgy resistors have in
14:56fact been in charge of many of our major
14:59major social institutions for decades
15:01and the content inside many of those
15:04institutions comes from
15:06them uh at present the center left of
15:09the democratic party controls the
15:10American White House every book that I
15:13just mentioned above the new 1619 volume
15:16uh everything by uh Dr zin the original
15:20lies my teacher told me is used in the
15:23schools as a textbook in fact a large
15:25part of writing my latest book to break
15:27from the script was reading 20 High
15:28School text books a fascinating exercise
15:31that many of you have probably just
15:32gotten pasted but um 1619 and the Zen
15:36education project in fact or offer
15:39entire curricula for your school so in
15:43our field of Academia or the field of
15:46Academia shared by uh all three
15:49introducers and speakers here the
15:51professorate leans between 84% and 93%
15:55to the left politically there's some
15:57dispute about the best way to count and
15:59track uh political contributions and
16:01that kind of thing but if we look at
16:03just straight political party membership
16:06as a co-author of mine Bob moranto did
16:08last year the uh academic departments
16:11vary between economics which is the
16:13friendliest to Republicans at 4.5
16:16Democrats to one
16:18padm uh and so that's over here and
16:21sociology where the ratio is 43.8
16:25to1 uh I'm not sure whether I'd put this
16:28on the serious Fields list but in
16:30Communications the breakdown is
16:32currently 108 to Zer so there weren't
16:35enough conservatives at top 300
16:38universities to break over 05% and be
16:43counted and the things that the actual
16:46thought leaders of today are telling
16:48people and the first thing I find again
16:49is that these people don't look
16:51necessarily much like what we're told
16:52they do the things the actual thought
16:54leaders of today are telling people
16:56don't seem to be notably more true than
17:00sort of the jingoistic content of the
17:02past so the book I just mentioned is
17:05obviously devoted to empirically
17:08breaking that down and there are quite a
17:10few examples given but since this is
17:14Columbus week uh I thought it might be
17:17interesting to start with chapter 3 uh
17:20lie III Native Americans spent all day
17:23in peaceful
17:25dancing so again this is an actual thing
17:29humans with mouths pretty much say um I
17:32was able to obtain as part of the
17:34research process for the book and uh
17:36shout out to Jane lingle the research
17:38associate that uh that helped with that
17:40work but I was able to obtain the
17:42official US Government curriculum on
17:45Native Americans and it reads a bit like
17:48the speech about how every single Rock
17:50has a name from the Disney movie
17:53pocah uh to quote one actual passage
17:56reads there was a love of every form of
17:58life the Native Americans did not kill
18:01anything they could not use they never
18:04killed an animal or a fish for the sport
18:06of it Native Americans lived in harmony
18:09with nature and did not abuse the
18:10natural world they were ecologists long
18:13before the word was ever used and in a
18:16better
18:17wise uh another passage argues that
18:20there is a fairly uh Universal
18:23and uh wonderful Native American value
18:26system that existed prior to 14 92 uh
18:30some components of it allegedly were
18:32these are all quotes from the document
18:34respect for one's fellow man no major
18:37Wars no poor and no rich and no jails
18:42taxes Borders or
18:44boundaries
18:46imagine um this is a pretty typical take
18:49and on the first of the topics we're
18:51going to talk about but uh history
18:52Central the major uh sort of secondary
18:55educational website also contains a lot
18:57of material about the original inhabit
19:00inhabitants of the United States of
19:02America they say most Native Americans
19:05had no need to farm the again a direct
19:07quote food and other resources all but
19:10fell from the sky the land was full of
19:12animals the sea was full of fish wood
19:15was plentiful and so on most people have
19:19heard some version of this take and
19:21basically believe it so the uh
19:23libertarian Think Tank the skeptic
19:25Research Center recently asked um just
19:28number of Americans white and black
19:30sample primarily how they feel about
19:32Native American Indians and they found
19:34that 71% 71.2% of people believe that
19:39quote the Native American tribes lived
19:41in peace and Harmony until the white man
19:44came um the obviously the reveal here is
19:48that the entire we westerners conquered
19:51Paradise take is simply BS to a rather
19:54striking degree on the sort of more real
19:58acad IA front Scholars writing for the
20:00journal American Antiquity and the
20:03website science 2.0 just confirmed that
20:06the most violent time in North American
20:09history was before any whites got here
20:13so looking at the Southwest around the
20:15time of the fall of the Anasazi one of
20:17the great uh native nations historically
20:20they note that about 90% of all male
20:23bodies showed signs of death by Warfare
20:26or murder uh hi trauma broken forearms
20:29as you try to defend yourself Etc one
20:32area that was studied went from a
20:34population of 40,000 43,000 to a
20:38population of none over a period of
20:42about 30 years and this is pretty
20:45typical for what used to be called
20:47Savage Life by the way uh until the
20:501960s about uh 55% of yanam Mamo men a
20:54free tribe that still exists in South
20:57America died in in violent duels or
21:01raids um so one suspects of course that
21:05what happened to women who were captured
21:07in this violence was no better so life
21:10was fairly cold and short before
21:13Christianity or modern science or
21:16feminism uh I'm not going to go on all
21:18day about Native Americans there
21:19actually multiple topics for me to
21:22complain about and review but uh
21:24obviously the great Southwestern native
21:26tribes were not alone uh the Aztecs in
21:29modern Mexico have become a bit
21:31legendary but it's worth going into why
21:34our Aztec society was structured to what
21:37we would consider a bizarre degree
21:39around the worship of a bloodthirsty
21:41Pantheon of War gods and the human
21:44sacrifice that went along with this so
21:47the long running flower wars between the
21:50Aztecs or the mexa and civilized
21:53neighbors like the chaloin were fought
21:56largely to get captives who were
21:58sacrificed in numbers of up to 20,000 to
22:01dedicate temples and the like they were
22:04also eaten uh we all know this at some
22:07level but it now appears that the Aztecs
22:09ate so many people that it actually
22:11affected their diet so uh per Bernard
22:14Ortiz de monano uh pretty obviously not
22:17someone who hates Hispanics or New World
22:20Indians Aztec cannibalism satisfied up
22:23to 7% of all Need for protein inside at
22:27least the um the Aztec capital the city
22:29of Tino chitlan this is apparently
22:32considered a low-end figure by the way
22:35um things weren't any nicer anywhere
22:38else not just in Native America but we
22:41could go into the Sue and tonawa and
22:43kamanchi and so on pretty easily but all
22:46of this obviously contributed to Warfare
22:48between native peoples and the incoming
22:51Americans many of whom by the way
22:53scotsmen uh Irishmen captured black West
22:57Africans and so on weren't significantly
23:00less
23:01warlike um we often hear that the USA
23:05broke uh every single treaty quote
23:07unquote with the great native tribes but
23:10the reality is that both sides almost
23:13invariably did so a raid across a border
23:17in force breaks a treaty and starts a
23:20war as we just saw in the Middle East
23:22and both groups as closely as I can
23:25figure this out did this on average
23:27against one another about once a month
23:30if you're talking about communities
23:31living in close proximity to one another
23:34uh living next to Hamas in fact is
23:37probably a pretty close analogy to
23:39living close to the kamanche I suppose
23:43you could flip that and say that living
23:45next to the United States at this time
23:47might have been viewed as living in
23:48close proximity to the nation of Israel
23:50but I tend to have sympathies in one to
23:52me pretty obvious Direction in that
23:54conflict but that's what I and a
23:56research associate and a lot of of
23:58previous Scholars found in the context
24:00of native North America that's a
24:03somewhat esoteric beginning place but
24:05pretty much every other serious topic
24:08that I looked at for the book and for
24:10the other books I've written followed
24:12the same pattern of Revelation the
24:15people claiming to be the sort of
24:17marginalized resistance in fact
24:19controlled most of the narrative and
24:21were basically lying about it uh so
24:24chapter two of the book deals with the
24:26Red Scare for example
24:28and I I was lucky enough to talk about
24:30this with some of some of you guys in
24:31the student audience earlier but the
24:33general view in upper middle class
24:36American Life at least when I was a
24:38younger man when I was a student I'd be
24:40curious to know what it is now but was
24:43that the United States irrationally
24:46panicked about communism during the
24:481950s and the 1960s so we were
24:51persecuting innocent left-leaning
24:54artists and writers in the service of
24:57stopping this this non-existent threat
25:00that was the conventional position
25:01people would use the term McCarthyism as
25:03a as a serious insult um there have been
25:07more than a dozen movies at least from
25:09the 12 minutes of research I did on that
25:11point made about this topic um Trumbo
25:15for example came out in 2015 and won a
25:17pack of awards it was dedicated to the
25:20life of the screenwriter Dalton trumo
25:22who was accused of being um a supporter
25:25of the Russians a quote unquote Pinko
25:27during this era
25:29in fact however the catch here is that
25:31it's no longer disputed at least in
25:34political science that there were
25:35hundreds of Russian spies in the United
25:38States during this sort of James Bond
25:40era the uh full venona cables
25:44V for anyone interested uh detailing
25:48Soviet contact with their overseas
25:50assets were decoded by both sides in the
25:531990s when the United States was fairly
25:56friendly with uh post Soviet
25:58kind of started the yelson era started
26:00the Putin era Russia and something
26:04that's fairly funny to me if not to the
26:07CIA is that virtually every falsely
26:11accused uh liberal cause celeb from this
26:15period aler hus Julius and Ethel
26:19Rosenberg uh Trumbo himself if I recall
26:22correctly actually just was a Russian
26:25spy so they were all guilty
26:28something that we are pressured to
26:30forget even now so the true story wasn't
26:33really Panic it wasn't really people
26:35freaking out about nothing it was people
26:37recognizing that there were actual enemy
26:39agents at the highest levels of our
26:42government and trying to make this point
26:45and being shouted down as irrational
26:48lunatics uh examples might come to mind
26:50for you guys today so and I mean the the
26:54list of these really does go on and on I
26:56mean within the first three chapters of
26:58of this one book the uh 1619 project is
27:02quoted and discussed for a while I mean
27:04u a review of The New York Times that
27:06came out a couple of years back now and
27:09obviously authors there like Nicole
27:11Hannah Jones argue that slavery was
27:14America's quote unquote original sin
27:17that slavery was worse in the United
27:19States than anywhere else ever to exist
27:23um that slavery shaped our entire
27:25society and so on down the line if it
27:28just out of curiosity raise your hand I
27:30guess if you read the 1619
27:32project a couple people I don't
27:34personally feel you're missing all that
27:35much but um the the argument of the 1619
27:39project basically is that almost
27:40everything in American society comes
27:42from historical slavery so one of the
27:44Articles argues that traffic jams are
27:46due to slavery cities were built to keep
27:50whites blacks and poor whites if I have
27:52this correct apart from one another um
27:56and so the the Contin existence of that
28:00that pattern of Urban Design is what
28:01causes traffic jams a couple people have
28:03actually looked at this and found that
28:04traffic is worse out west than anywhere
28:06else in cities that have been built in
28:07the past 40 years so perhaps not true uh
28:10another article claims that Americans
28:12eat a lot of sugar because that's what
28:14the slaves used to grow so I mean that's
28:17that's an absolute statement of the
28:19thesis so I mean there are about 15 of
28:21these total this ran in the New York
28:22Times magazine if you're interested in
28:24contemporary leftwing thought I'd
28:26recommend that in fact reading through
28:27this reading through the 1619 book which
28:29includes essays from ibram kendi Jen
28:31stefanek and so on down the line but
28:34again it's hard to imagine anything less
28:37true and this I think more so than the
28:40points about the Indian Wars and who is
28:41at fault is something that that is
28:44relevant today because the idea that the
28:46United States has a unique history of
28:48racial conflict although it would no
28:50doubt be amusing to an Irishman or
28:51Nigerian or many people to arrive here
28:53from other places it's something you
28:54hear constantly uh we recently pulled in
28:57the upper South and found that 41% of
29:00All American High School students think
29:02that only Americans ever had
29:04slaves
29:06so obviously again it it's hard to
29:09imagine anything less accurate uh
29:12slavery of course existed throughout all
29:14of human history you're already aware of
29:15that but um one interesting side note I
29:18found during the research process is
29:19that one of the first 10 or so human
29:21words was
29:22slave um humans began writing actually
29:25for a pretty ignoble reason people
29:27wanted to document the tribute that was
29:29being given to Kings and so on so the
29:31first words that we that we came up with
29:33were things like cow sheep sword
29:37prisoner and one of them in Samaran Kia
29:41form was slave uh it's a Corruption of
29:44the glyph for man from the mountains
29:47with some unfortunate additions and it
29:49basically means captured Warrior it's
29:51actually really interesting to break
29:53from the speech for a second to look at
29:55the old pictographic languages just to
29:57figure out how humans think I mean in I
30:01believe it's ideographic Mandarin
30:02Chinese the at least The Stereotype is
30:05that the word for opportunity is a
30:07combination of danger chance and some
30:11other similar symbols uh the samarians
30:13and a cadians and all that were even
30:15more blunt I mean the symbol for
30:17marriage is their equivalent of the
30:19heart sign being traded for a bag of
30:21money I mean it it's just you understand
30:25that man has come a long way uh if else
30:28and that we haven't totally abandoned
30:30what we used to be which is something in
30:32relationships and politics and so on to
30:34always keep in mind um but all right I
30:37mean just moving on the Greeks and
30:38especially the Romans practiced
30:40industrial scale slavery and treated
30:42slaves far worse than any North
30:45Americans uh the poor bastards fighting
30:47tigers shirtless in the arena were all
30:50all slaves all still in this case mostly
30:53captured Warriors the Arab slave trade
30:56uh in both blacks and whites
30:58interestingly enough uh lasted 1,000
31:01years and took 17 million people out of
31:04Africa alone it's worth noting that
31:06Muslim slave Raiders gave the world the
31:08two primary terms we use for slave slave
31:11itself comes from slav which means a
31:13Southeastern European people from a
31:15traditionally poorer region of Europe um
31:18they also use the word Abid which means
31:20specifically a black slave someone
31:22captured from the West and East African
31:24city states so I mean this is a a long
31:27form Human Institution by the way um
31:30this sounds almost too ridiculous to be
31:32true but a defense on the political left
31:35side of the fact that the Arabs traded
31:37in both black and white slaves with that
31:39at least they were not
31:40racist that American slavery is somehow
31:44worse because it ended up focusing on
31:45one ethnic group although for a shorter
31:47period of time but to a large extent if
31:51you add together the core nations of the
31:54West uh Britain France the USA for that
31:57matter American powers like Brazil if a
32:00bit late there the core contribution of
32:03the Western World to the global slave
32:05trade was ending it um that's the only
32:09unique thing about slavery in the west
32:11the rest was just as brutal and
32:13unpleasant and has focused on Military
32:15captives of slavery anywhere else I
32:17don't I don't think there's much more to
32:18say there uh it's a bit awkward to point
32:20this out but where Western colonialism
32:23defined as exported governance was not a
32:26major factor slavery often still endures
32:29so slavery remains common in morania
32:31today uh one of my major charitable
32:34causes actually is the ending of modern
32:35day slavery there are probably more
32:37slaves in the world today than at any
32:39previous time in history uh the major
32:41Arab states like Saudi Arabia didn't end
32:43formal slavery until the
32:451960s so again there's reality and
32:50there's what you're expected to believe
32:51and say and I think perhaps more
32:53importantly we see the same general sort
32:56of opposite of honesty pattern when it
32:59comes to Modern events so for much of
33:01the past decade the uh BLM quote unquote
33:04movement the black lives matter movement
33:06centered around black lives matter
33:08Global Network Foundation claimed that a
33:10near genocide was targeting black
33:12Americans and if this community is
33:15anything like Louisville or Chicago
33:17people to a very large extent just sort
33:19of went along with
33:20this um super lawyer Ben Crump an
33:24enjoyable guy actually with the with the
33:26gloves off but a super lawyer benp wrote
33:28a book that was actually called Open
33:29Season the legal genocide of colored
33:32people and if you add together his
33:35police and vigilante and even
33:37environmental totals essentially claimed
33:40that white Americans are wiping out tens
33:43of thousands of black Americans annually
33:46and again the book I think it's fallen
33:47off the bestseller list but can still be
33:48found on Amazon as Open Season the legal
33:51genocide I mean his his claims aren't
33:53really widely contested although almost
33:56all of them are false chobo from the
33:59black lives matter organization itself
34:01had a lower figure but he argued on
34:04Prime Time Fox News rather famously that
34:06an innocent presumably unarmed black man
34:09is murdered to use his language uh every
34:12day by law enforcement which would come
34:15to obviously just just under 400
34:18annually now then the actual numbers
34:21started dropping people started looking
34:23at at some of these these almost
34:25incredible in the literal sense uh AR
34:27arguments and and just sort of testing
34:29whether or not they were they were true
34:30whether they were valid so the first
34:32year that I and the invaluable Heather
34:34McDonald looked back in 2015 the total
34:38number of unarmed black people shot by
34:41white cops Caucasian on duty police
34:43officers was
34:4417 um last year and it's interesting
34:47that that's no longer a shocking total I
34:49mean for years you could ask rooms of
34:51young black or Urban white men what they
34:52thought the figure was and you'd get
34:53estimates like
34:552,000 so Perhaps Perhaps the tide is
34:57turned there but um last year the total
35:00across all uh Law Enforcement Officers
35:03including the 30 35% Black and Hispanic
35:06minority was
35:0816 um by the way well under a 100
35:11unarmed citizens of all Races are shot
35:14by the police
35:15annually uh it there are a lot of
35:18conflicts between police and citizens
35:20but it is extraordinarily easy not to be
35:22harmed by the police while you are not
35:23committing a crime there isn't even much
35:26plain interracial crime as it turns out
35:29uh I looked at this in the book as well
35:30there are about 600,000 classic
35:32interracial crimes in a typical year
35:35that's that's some of you know that's
35:36usually defined as a violent crime with
35:37a black per and a white victim or a
35:39white per and a black victim now that's
35:41out of about 20 million crimes so the
35:44classic index level at least violent
35:46they're more property crimes but violent
35:48interracial crimes are about 3% of all
35:51crime uh the person most likely to kill
35:54you is your
35:55ex-wife So and I've like I've said this
35:58lied a bunch of dinner party speeches
35:59and so on but it is worth noting there's
36:01a distinction here the person most
36:02likely to kill you is your ex-wife or
36:03your current husband so there's actually
36:06an interesting gender distinction there
36:08if this is still true like the men
36:09perhaps a bit stupider and more brutal
36:12uh anger in the moment uh women perhaps
36:14capable of longer lasting
36:16hatred uh I don't really know but I've
36:18I've always found the dichotomy there
36:20funny and something for both sexes to
36:21watch for but uh the interracial crime
36:25that does occur by the way is
36:26unfortunately very unpolitically correct
36:30uh it's consistently about 80% black on
36:33white that's some sometimes pointed out
36:35by the quote unquote dissident right
36:36online um I'd say if you're looking for
36:39an explanation you don't really need to
36:40go further than there are more white
36:42people they have more money and there's
36:45a higher Baseline black crime rate in
36:47the first place uh it's about 2.3 times
36:50the white crime rate as it turns out so
36:53I think and obviously interested in any
36:55comments questions you guys have about
36:57any of this so far but I think the final
36:59question and perhaps the most important
37:01question is why the opposite of the
37:03Truth storyline keeps playing out and to
37:06me not to be cliche but the sort of
37:08brain parasite that sometimes gets
37:10referred to as wokeness or kind of the
37:13modern successor ideology uh really does
37:16play a large role if you read your KY or
37:20your D'Angelo or your Marx or Riso or
37:23France boas these are ideas that they're
37:25only about 35 human ideas is and the the
37:29claim that all of I'm sure they're more
37:31than that if you go into patent numbers
37:32and so on but in terms of broad the core
37:35themes of the great religions what you
37:37should do and be in life there's a
37:39reason that philosophy has often
37:41criticized as footnotes to Aristotle and
37:43we often see the same sort of thing in
37:45political science I I tend to suspect
37:47that a number of Roman and Chinese
37:49generals had figured out what make
37:51cities function a very long time ago but
37:53um so this idea goes the idea I'm about
37:55to outline goes back quite a while it
37:57was quite a
37:58but wokeness or wokeism is not just a
38:01synonym for liberalism in fact the two
38:03in my opinion are opposites uh the term
38:06refers specifically to a three-part
38:08phenomenon that I once broke down in a
38:11published piece so I think and again
38:14appreciate critiques but component one
38:17is the idea that society today is
38:20systemically an intentionally setup to
38:23oppress and the group that is being
38:27oppressed can vary so the modern version
38:31of this really did begin with KL marks
38:33he took the idea from rouso by the way
38:36who said that Society was a trick
38:38designed by the people who currently had
38:39power to entrap everyone else so I mean
38:42the S sardonic French way of putting
38:44that is the law and its Glory commands
38:47both the wealthy man and the beggar not
38:49to sleep under bridges the idea in the
38:52context of property law was that people
38:53who had property wrote law to protect it
38:56and to keep everyone else from getting
38:58property but Marx took this theme to the
39:01highest level of development I believe
39:04that we've seen so far with if you put
39:06aside the nonsensical economic theory
39:09the kind of Core theme that the function
39:12of society facially neutral Society is
39:15to hold down certain groups of people
39:17Society is designed by the bouis as a
39:20tool to control the proletariat lump and
39:23proletariat those without power this is
39:25a primary top three function of society
39:28this isn't a full reading of marks
39:30because I consider the economic stuff
39:32not really worthy of much consideration
39:35but it is one of the core themes of the
39:37text and I think that the point I'm
39:39making here is that most other
39:41philosophies that come out of political
39:44critical study build on this but just
39:47change the group so if I had to say this
39:49in 30 seconds uh critical race Theory
39:53just takes out the rich man and subs in
39:54the white man all of society is designed
39:57for the benefit of white people the
39:59ruling class why is the SAT administered
40:02before you can enter College well it's
40:03not to see who the smartest people are
40:05there's no such thing as intelligence it
40:07is instead to guarantee that a large
40:09number of white and white adjacent
40:11whatever that means people get into
40:12college um radical feminism in my
40:15opinion some might disagree takes out
40:17the rich man and just Subs in the man so
40:20for example marriage is an institution
40:22designed by men to exploit women's
40:24domestic labor and get access to as much
40:26sex as possible
40:28men contribute very little to this
40:29relationship it's a common feminist
40:31critique there were obvious responses
40:33looking at some of the guys but it is it
40:35is a common statement in a queer theory
40:38for example you take out the rich man
40:40and you sub in maybe the good-look
40:42straight man something like that all of
40:44society is set up to benefit normative
40:46people who have normative
40:49sexualities upper middle class most
40:51likely attractive and this goes on and
40:53on I mean there's a journal of fat
40:55studies right now so the argument is
40:57that all of society is set up to benefit
41:00uh functional people is the term they
41:02use they don't just say skinny but not
41:04neurod Divergent not overweight so on
41:06Down the Line anyway the the core
41:08element of critical theory is all of
41:10society is set up to oppress someone
41:12maybe you just wanted to throw that in
41:14there the second
41:16element actually I think you'd be more
41:18likely to get nonsensically lumped into
41:20the oppressor class along with me I
41:21don't know if my skin tone would save me
41:23but anyway the second element which is a
41:26big one though this is actually the
41:28probably the key point for today the
41:29second element of critical theory first
41:30is all of society is set up to oppress
41:32and manipulate you and by the way if you
41:35think that sounds like nonsense you have
41:36false consciousness all five of the
41:39philosophical schools I've described so
41:41far use almost that exact term but the
41:43second element is that all performance
41:46gaps between large groups provide
41:48evidence of Oppression the sole variable
41:51that can cause these gaps in fact is
41:53people being oppressed and finally this
41:56is this one is not as relevant outside
41:58of the business world where I
41:59encountered it but the solution to this
42:01is equity in the modern legal sense
42:04which basically means proportional
42:06representation without regard to
42:09Performance so this is a simple idea
42:11kind of the Triune this is what they're
42:13actually talking about but it has many
42:15deep and troubling implications I would
42:18refer to this as an entropic or even
42:19evil idea when you think about it
42:22stretched out to it its logical
42:24conclusion so for example this means
42:26that when we see performance differences
42:29the group that is failing is in fact
42:31failing because other more successful
42:33people made them fail the people
42:36struggling or even doing evil are good
42:39and the people doing well are the root
42:41cause of
42:43evil it's not really fair and this is a
42:46response I got to my book you can log in
42:48to Amazon supposed you have to log in
42:50these days you go to Amazon good read
42:52several academic sites and see this
42:54comment um that I'm about to give it is
42:56not really fair to criticize the black
42:58or Muslim majority of slave Traders and
43:00I admit they were the majority because
43:02Africa and the Middle East are Global
43:04South regions and often were poorer than
43:07colonizing Europe even back then so the
43:11people selling slaves in those areas
43:13were doing what they had to no doubt you
43:16often see this argued quite explicitly
43:19and the real blame lies with those who
43:21were oppressing them so that they had to
43:23do that awful thing we westerners I'll
43:26throw my myself in that boat were the
43:28real slavers as we created the global
43:30conditions for slavery closer to home we
43:33certainly can't call out black on black
43:35crime or black onwhite crime the only
43:38mentionable cause for these obviously is
43:41white oppression of black people this
43:43even extends into feminism um which
43:47makes some more valid arguments across
43:49other points but I mean for example the
43:51sole cause of gender gaps like female
43:53underrepresentation among F-15 pilots in
43:56combat
43:57is
43:59sexism so or so it is conventional to
44:01believe the problem with this idea to me
44:05is that it is religious nonsense so in
44:08reality everything that you'll study at
44:10a university of this quality has
44:11multiple causes every single thing does
44:14this is one of the first rules of
44:16Statistics it's also one of the Baseline
44:18rules of common sense so at least a
44:21dozen things contribute to black white
44:25asian gaps in the United States which
44:26are something that I study
44:28professionally um to give perhaps the
44:30least controversial the average black
44:32man is 27 at least at the mod uh the
44:36average white man is
44:3858 53% of African-Americans and only 14%
44:43of whites live in the lower income South
44:46gender gaps exist largely because men
44:49and women are genetically different a
44:50rules like young males or the fighters
44:53exist among wolves and foxes so slavery
44:57had nothing to do with colonialism it
44:59existed when white Europe was a
45:01Backwater at the far end of the world
45:03far away from China and India and the
45:06midworld Sea and it persists most
45:08strongly where Europeans of whatever
45:10color never settled uh Native Americans
45:13importantly were relatively poor and
45:15warlike not because of Oppression and
45:17conflict involving whites or blacks but
45:20because of the exact opposite isolation
45:22on the far side of a giant ocean where
45:25trading partners of the that existed in
45:27the old world the Western India for
45:29example simply were not there to engage
45:31you so in real science we're always
45:34multi variant the last thing you ever
45:37want to do is attribute everything that
45:39you see to one thing or to one factor
45:42that's again what religions do with
45:45Karma or faith or sin so my message is
45:50never to do that perhaps outside of
45:52church if that's your thing seek the
45:54truth no matter how complex and popular
45:57it is and good on you guys for setting
45:59up an institution where that can be done
46:02I'm will Riley thanks for hosting
46:03[Music]
46:13me so I had this I took AP government
46:17and it turns out AP government is half
46:19AP government and half um and half uh
46:23politics so half of the time you only
46:25get two months to study govern
46:26government and the other half of the
46:28time you're learning that socialists are
46:29pro- free market and so I was wondering
46:33because you're talking about textbooks
46:34have you read the We the People textbook
46:37yeah actually we the people was one of
46:39the sources for my latest book um now
46:41the the textbook reading portion of that
46:43took place two and a half years ago my
46:46impression was that all the te almost
46:47all the textbooks maybe with the
46:49exception of An Unfinished Nation Lean
46:51to the political left which isn't
46:53surprising some were some were quite
46:54good otherwise but uh did do you have a
46:56did you have a specific question about
46:57that book well I was just wondering
46:59because there's a lot of bias in it
47:00especially calling socialist Pro free
47:02market how do you um f so you're
47:05exposing all these textbooks but how do
47:06you find replacements when the AP
47:08curriculum in general is so twisted and
47:11also it's so attractive because you get
47:13college credit well I actually think
47:15that this is an important question so if
47:17you are not even necessarily
47:18conservative but heterodox and you want
47:21Alternatives I mean one thing you have
47:22to do is set them up I mean so A friend
47:26of mine has Colin Wright the biologist
47:28who makes the daring argument that there
47:29are two
47:30Sexes and he's recently started writing
47:34a series of of things that he hasn't had
47:36to do for a while but mid-level academic
47:38articles textbook chapters and so on
47:40just making this point that there are
47:41two two Sexes so that every textbook
47:43that goes out in human biology will
47:44contain a short chapter about how
47:46they're two Sexes and I mean I'm
47:49obviously assuming the reason he's doing
47:50this is a response to the politicized
47:52transgender movement so that people who
47:55are saying well OB obviously this claim
47:57is idiotic aren't just citing sardonic
48:00quillet articles or something like that
48:02so I mean I I think that first it is a
48:04problem that most of American higher and
48:07secondary education leans the way it
48:09does it's extremely weird I mean you
48:13might you might want to consider how the
48:15average just middle-of the road American
48:17Rhino Republican or standard liberal
48:20would react to an academy that was
48:2394% dominated by hard body conservatives
48:27from the religious right that kept
48:29writing academic articles about how all
48:31women should be Housewives or something
48:33I mean it's hard to even think of an
48:35equivalent but I mean like right now if
48:37I recall my figures correctly from econ
48:38live
48:4019% of University professors top 300
48:43schools identify as communist or Marxist
48:46now in mainstream Society about half of
48:481% of people identify as Communists you
48:50know meet a lot of Communists so we do
48:52need to fix that uh I think first thing
48:55would just be be very skeptical when you
48:56read through that stuff respond to it at
48:59at length in local as much as you can in
49:01local media so on but also at some point
49:03I mean someone's going to have to write
49:04a textbook from another angle I know new
49:07college in Florida is thinking about
49:08producing one uh perhaps you guys could
49:10do the same I mean individual writers
49:12should send in chapters but be aware and
49:14then then try to respond to some extent
49:17because there is going to have to be an
49:19alternative I mean like when I look
49:20through the textbooks and I found that
49:22you know 17 were politically liberal and
49:24two to three were politically moderate
49:26there there is is not over here and it
49:28reminds me of the rert Murdoch the old
49:30Fox boss man whatever you might think of
49:32him um once said he was asked you know
49:36and this is something we watched when I
49:37was I was in business he was asked what
49:39made you start this network what made
49:41you think you had client base and he
49:42said well 55% of the people in the
49:44country weren't being served and I I
49:46think that's the situation that we're in
49:47right now so whoever jumps into that
49:50market is going to do pretty well and
49:51perhaps it'll be some of you guys thank
49:54you
49:57I'm just interested in modern slavery
50:00and how we can try and end modern
50:01slavery like should I buy more fair
50:03trade chocolate
50:06or not not really um I mean so a serious
50:09answer if you are a college student is
50:11if you do drugs you should stop other
50:14than weed I mean like a lot of that
50:16stuff comes from countries where slave
50:18labor in essence is used to produce it
50:19but as a more serious answer because I
50:21don't think you have a ongoing cocaine
50:23problem or anything no comment at this
50:26time it's hard it's hard hard to tell
50:28buddy um but anyway but anyway um one
50:31thing I would just do is look up fight
50:33modern-day slavery let's see if the
50:35groups that um I've given to in the past
50:37are on the top couple yeah I mean there
50:39one thing you could do is get involved
50:41with any of these groups um I don't know
50:42if how much I trust the US Department of
50:44State but I've given to anti-slavery
50:47International free Burma Rangers which
50:50is a group that's fighting the the
50:51corrupt Myanmar government our rescue I
50:54mean so if it's something that you're
50:55interested in from a charitable
50:56perspective I would just if as you get
50:58that first I wouldn't necessarily do it
50:59as a college man but as you get that
51:01first decently paying job that's a cause
51:02where they're accepting donations uh you
51:04can go volunteer I mean a lot of direct
51:08action is just stuff like people
51:10blocking flights I mean green piece used
51:12to do this with um whaling ships and so
51:14on this is a little more serious but um
51:16yeah give um note that this is a problem
51:20that still goes on also a very simple
51:22thing you can do is just respond to
51:23people who are bringing up slavery as an
51:25issue that affected only black West
51:27Africans only you 200 years ago just in
51:30this country so discuss the current
51:32breadth of the issue and yeah I wouldn't
51:35do things that directly contribute it
51:36but it's honestly pretty hard to avoid
51:40buying things that aren't quote unquote
51:42fair trade I wouldn't make my entire
51:45life more complicated to try to do that
51:46I would write a check every couple of
51:47months or something like I mean I I just
51:49looked that up on a Samsung Galaxy and I
51:51mean I I don't think that was that was
51:53built entirely by American unionized
51:55labor first off I want to thank you for
51:56your time coming here this was a really
51:58interesting talk um but uh I wanted to
52:02kind of hear your thoughts on what's
52:04known as
52:05intersectionality uh how you were
52:07talking about you know feminism and like
52:09black Liv matter stuff how it's subbing
52:10in different like male or different
52:13privileged people but where
52:14intersectionality comes in that we hear
52:16so much about is all of those are
52:19correct and that it's actually all of
52:21the above instead of just realizing oh
52:23wait a minute no this is the same cope
52:26just with different words well I
52:28actually I have a professional response
52:30to that as a stats guy I think that
52:31intersectionality is just a badly done
52:33regression model I mean for those of you
52:35that are going into stats basically the
52:36idea of intersectionality is it's not
52:38just one thing that affects your life
52:40like being black it's as many as four
52:42I've never seen an analysis that they do
52:44that has more than that but it say if
52:45you're a black bisexual woman you will
52:48have a tougher life than if you're a
52:50black straight man that may be true but
52:52my response to that is when we actually
52:54look at life outcomes in real political
52:55science or economics you put like 80 not
52:58anymore the tastes have changed but you
53:00put say 12 things into the analysis and
53:02you'd certainly also want to look at
53:04social class IQ I mean attractiveness
53:08there are hundreds of things that
53:09determine where you will end up in life
53:12so intersectionality is just an attempt
53:14to look at only a couple of those
53:15variables from sort of a woke
53:17perspective in my position or in my
53:18opinion I'll actually one final comment
53:20on this one of the academic pieces I've
53:22written looks at sketched up at this
53:25point but looks at the impact of a bunch
53:29of different variables on an actual test
53:31of privilege if you Google check my
53:34privilege uh it sounds a little silly
53:36but you'll actually find a test that was
53:38designed by as I recall ivy league grad
53:39students that led the BuzzFeed website
53:41for a while it's got about 100 110
53:43questions that ask things like have you
53:45ever gone to bed hungry have you ever
53:48lost a physical fight that really do a
53:49pretty decent job of measuring your the
53:52ease of your life and I've administered
53:54that test uh students have asked to take
53:56it people have taken it pretty large
53:58groups and Greek organizations and the
54:00like and what you find if you look at
54:02the results and we haven't really done
54:03the huge 5,000 past human subjects
54:06version yet but what you find if you
54:08look at the results is that about 70% of
54:10privilege is just social class like it's
54:12just income if you put in a variable
54:14that asks what your income is for the
54:17young executive types or what your
54:18parents income is for students you'll
54:20find that the huge predictor of how easy
54:22and effective their life was was where
54:24they were raised what their background
54:26was so I I think that that's my response
54:28to intersectionality if it doesn't
54:29include class if it doesn't include
54:31politics Urban rural north south how
54:34good you look all that stuff it's pretty
54:36much
54:36worthless yeah I agree uh I think they
54:40do want to include that but they don't
54:41want to say it outright because it makes
54:43them look worse well it's it's a fairly
54:45awkward situation I mean so like a
54:47question that I used to ask just when I
54:49was a college guy debating but I mean
54:51this would be 2008 2009 was do you think
54:54Barack Obama is oppressed and it's
54:56almost just like the cliche easy first
54:59line opening chess move but I mean
55:02people would often say yeah and I would
55:05note that Barack Obama was the most
55:07powerful man in the world he could blow
55:09up the planet he's 64 um he's a
55:12millionaire IQ 140 or whatever elat
55:15translates to like doesn't that matter
55:17and people would say well what if he
55:19gets pulled over by a
55:20cop I mean and the answer is that the
55:23Secret Service would shoot the guy but
55:25it's just there are many many many
55:27variables that come into sorry many many
55:29variables that come into play thank you
55:33y thank you for being here uh you had
55:36mentioned that the source for the sort
55:39of uh ideology I guess is wokeism and I
55:43was curious how you thought that that
55:45ideology ended up uh sort of finding its
55:49way into the high levels of society like
55:51what do you think was the mechanism
55:52behind the proliferation of wokeism well
55:55that's that's an interesting question I
55:56thought you going to ask a slightly
55:57different question so I'll I'll answer
55:58that one first um I I think that the the
56:02woke mind virus to quota Gad said is
56:05probably one of the things that humans
56:08are just prone to so humans are
56:09competitive Predators I mean like when
56:12you see a reasonably Fair system like
56:14modern American secondary education and
56:17it produces very disperate results like
56:19average scores in the USA range from 910
56:22for Native Americans to 1260 for
56:24asian-americans when you see that of Gap
56:26it's very easy to conclude not well
56:29Native Americans should hit the books
56:30more which With A Little Bit of Sympathy
56:32actually pretty much is my my conclusion
56:34but it's very easy to conclude that the
56:36system is itself unfair so I think that
56:39the idea that Society was set up to hurt
56:41you especially since there has been very
56:43legitimate discrimination against for
56:44example women in the past I don't think
56:46anyone would deny that it's very easy to
56:49say well this is what's going on this is
56:51what causes these problems so I I think
56:53that's why wokeism is tempting like
56:55basically if you are currently a loser
56:58like right now I need to lose like 40
56:59pounds I mean I was a college level not
57:02extraordinarily good competitive athlete
57:04I just eat and relax too much but I mean
57:07another way that I could respond to that
57:09would be by saying well the American
57:10food system is designed to ruin my body
57:13or you know obesity is a genetic almost
57:16un overcomable problem or other things
57:18that have become increasingly popular if
57:19you're failing you can either blame
57:21yourself and the team around you or the
57:22world blaming the world is tempting how
57:24did this become popular why did people
57:27start believing this um I I think the
57:29short answer is that we had a temporary
57:31cultural revolution in the
57:321960s um most of the ideas that we're
57:35talking about today Great Society
57:36welfare critical race Theory radical not
57:39early wave we want jobs feminism all
57:41that stuff came out of this period
57:42between
57:445972 and I mean when those people when
57:46the revolution ended those people
57:48actually still remember my friend's dads
57:50hating to be teased about selling out
57:52growing up in the 80s like these people
57:53just went into business and Academia
57:56that's the answer these people that had
57:57been to a certain extent almost infected
57:59with these ideas during this period of
58:01AR clashing with the Communist Society
58:03went into very specific Fields how do
58:06you get 19% marxists in Academia you get
58:08a lot of Communists applying to 10e
58:09track
58:10jobs I think that I think that's the
58:12answer yeah thank
58:15you thank you Professor riy this is a
58:17very interesting talk as I mentioned
58:18earlier I'm a great fan of your work I
58:19was hoping that you could comment on a
58:21lie that you did not address in your
58:23talk although it might be in the book
58:24I've not had a chance to read it yet but
58:26um how is it that uh even though they
58:29have very comparable murder rates in
58:32fact if anything the Communists have the
58:33edge over the fascists um fascists
58:37killed 10 million people in the 20th
58:40century and Communists killed 50 to 150
58:43million people how is it that communism
58:45has this uh uh um is is treated or is
58:51perceived I think across Society
58:53particularly on the left but across
58:55society as some how um defensible where
58:59fascism clearly is not I think one glib
59:02but real answer is there aren't a lot of
59:03upper middle- class fascists but why why
59:06is that so why is that what why how has
59:08Communism survived a couple different
59:10reasons so first of all one of the
59:12reasons the I mean at root what I said
59:14is basically correct the reason
59:16communism is more tolerated than fascism
59:18is that a very large number of people in
59:20the media Academia in the knowledge
59:23producing institutions because I I don't
59:25think that left-wing purple-haired
59:27people control industrial business or
59:30something but a very large percentage of
59:32people in the knowledge producing
59:33institutions would identify as socialist
59:34or communist that that is almost
59:36certainly the reason the question as to
59:39why that is I mean I think that in World
59:42War II the fascists were largely
59:44defeated I mean Hitler was crushed
59:46killed himself melini was hanged fascism
59:49did not appear to be an enduring
59:52ideology likely to survive if I had to
59:54speculate on this communism did I mean
59:56our great rival was the USSR the USSR
59:59funded a great deal of the American left
1:00:01a lot of the peace movement and because
1:00:03of that you saw the this continue on in
1:00:08American society um quite a bit longer I
1:00:10also think communism just sounds better
1:00:12than
1:00:13fascism fascism says you know some
1:00:15people are better than others many of
1:00:16you should just follow orders let's go
1:00:17fight for the country communism in
1:00:20practice produces the same outcomes but
1:00:22what communism says to some extent is
1:00:25all of us are almost entirely equal we
1:00:27are being robbed by a small group of
1:00:30external Predators why don't we defeat
1:00:33them unify together and make Utopia so I
1:00:36think that people often say well the
1:00:38Communist sure they may have killed 10
1:00:40times as many people but they had good
1:00:41intentions okay so that's what that's
1:00:43the answer I was looking for they had
1:00:45good intentions thank you appreciate it
1:00:48thank you for an Illuminating talk I'm
1:00:50curious about the persuasiveness of
1:00:52empirical falsification so when we hear
1:00:55these these stories and these Illusions
1:00:57to for instance the incarceration of or
1:01:00the the murdering of black men we these
1:01:03are not simply um indications of facts
1:01:05and if they were so then they could
1:01:06simply be falsified by pointing to
1:01:08evidence rather they're indications of
1:01:09myths myths that sustain our vision of
1:01:11what America ought to be and it occurs
1:01:13to me that the effort to falsify them
1:01:16merely pivots upon the the observations
1:01:19we can make about the world but doesn't
1:01:20in fact inform how we tell the story
1:01:22again that is it it doesn't it doesn't
1:01:24create new myths it simply allows us the
1:01:26option of reinform our myths so I wonder
1:01:29if the better option is not simply to
1:01:31point to the falsification of facts but
1:01:32rather to try to Invision a new myth
1:01:34that would be better than the old myth
1:01:35that is a way of indicating things that
1:01:38are happening that allows to tell a
1:01:39better story and if that's the case then
1:01:41can we not entirely dispense with what
1:01:43you call religious nonsense should we
1:01:44not Inspire to be the myth makers rather
1:01:46than the falsifiers I think that's a
1:01:48great that's a great question that's
1:01:50that's a very good question I I think
1:01:51that there are two responses one of
1:01:53course there are almost mythical replies
1:01:57and the sense of the literary use of the
1:02:00term Mythos I mean so and many of them
1:02:04just come immediately to mind like no
1:02:06this is the land of the free in a
1:02:07reasonably Fair place and so on so yes I
1:02:09I think people should Advance some of
1:02:10those too I would speculate that many of
1:02:13those aren't dramatically more true than
1:02:17you I mean if you talk about American
1:02:18history our history was in fact a great
1:02:21and clean conquest or something that's
1:02:22not really accurate either but to the
1:02:24extent people can develop a
1:02:27modern Mythos a modern idea of what we
1:02:30can be and ought to be yes I think
1:02:32people should do that you guys should
1:02:33all start working on that um but there's
1:02:35actually a second part though as you
1:02:37know when you debate you debate for the
1:02:39audience not for your opponent like I
1:02:41mean I've had debates with everyone from
1:02:43Jared Taylor of the the alt-right to at
1:02:46least online ibram kendi and neither of
1:02:48those guys is going to change their
1:02:49position and become a Civic nationalist
1:02:52so when you're talking you're talking
1:02:54for all the people that perhaps 100 or
1:02:56so people in this room and around it
1:02:58that are that are listening to you so I
1:03:00don't think most people know that all
1:03:01the stuff BLM said even now was just
1:03:03excuse me like the skeptic
1:03:06Research Center again great Think Tank
1:03:08looked at uh what Urban black and white
1:03:11men thought was the case in terms of
1:03:12relationships with the police and they
1:03:14found that the average man they were
1:03:17asked about the number of unarmed black
1:03:18people they think are killed annually
1:03:20and so 35% of them at least on the left
1:03:23said about a thousand another 14 to 15%
1:03:27said about 10,000 this is the number of
1:03:28unarmed brothers that were killed
1:03:30annually and 8% said more than that now
1:03:33to put that in context there are only
1:03:35about 20,000 murders in a year and we're
1:03:39over represented but African-Americans
1:03:41make up maybe half of those so people
1:03:43thought there were as many police
1:03:45shootings of innocent people as there
1:03:46were murders and when you confront
1:03:48someone who believes that with the
1:03:50actual number of unarmed people that
1:03:52were killed by the police 10 I think
1:03:55very often I have seen dramatic
1:03:56reversals I have seen people leave
1:03:58movements and so on so both would be my
1:04:00suggestion thank you for your time here
1:04:03my question to you was about the Red
1:04:06Scare because the narrative that I was
1:04:08told in school was that the Red Scare
1:04:11prosecuted um people who were suspected
1:04:14Communists not necessarily Russian spies
1:04:16um you know professors Hollywood
1:04:19directors um stuff like that uh is that
1:04:23narrative distorted and if not what
1:04:25exactly would the people tried to be
1:04:28guilty
1:04:29of well I I think that's a fascinating
1:04:31question and the implication is are you
1:04:34allowed to believe in things that are
1:04:36crazy and antithetical to your Society
1:04:39but that fall under that General domain
1:04:41of free speech so I mean I I think the
1:04:43first response would
1:04:45be we know if you just go to the
1:04:48encyclopedia article for The Bona cables
1:04:50a number of political scientists have
1:04:51put up the list of everyone that was in
1:04:52the venona cables so we know that about
1:04:55700 of the people that were harassed
1:04:57during the Red Scare were just Russian
1:04:58spies I that's a that's a pretty large
1:05:00Cadre of of Russian agents in the United
1:05:03States I mean you know there were people
1:05:06there were people who were likely
1:05:07Russian assets if not agents I mean
1:05:09sitting with Truman at Yalta so that
1:05:11that's point one this was this was
1:05:12something that got fairly deep into the
1:05:14United States so you're faced with those
1:05:16kind of preventing 911 sort of questions
1:05:19um you know there were other I don't
1:05:22think I don't think anyone to deny that
1:05:23the Red Scare sometimes cross the no one
1:05:26would deny that huok and the Senate
1:05:28unamerican Activities Committee
1:05:30specifically sometimes cross some lines
1:05:31during that era um I think again the
1:05:34question is that most people do not know
1:05:37that probably the top let's limit it to
1:05:39500 targets of the Red Scare were
1:05:41actually involved with the Russians so I
1:05:43I think that that's that's the sort of
1:05:45debunking or the point that's important
1:05:47there um I actually got this question
1:05:49earlier and it's been very very well
1:05:51phrased both times um should you be able
1:05:55to have have a policy that let's say
1:05:56would keep people out of the government
1:06:00that want to work with entities that are
1:06:02aiming at destroying your Society I
1:06:04would say yeah I don't really have a
1:06:05problem with that I mean if you're a
1:06:06member of the American Communist Party
1:06:08in the 1950s one of the things you were
1:06:10dedicated to is the destruction of the
1:06:11United States I mean I've read their
1:06:14Charter so it's if you just say well I'm
1:06:16a socialist or I'm a bit of a Marxist I
1:06:17don't your boss might tease you but I
1:06:20don't I don't see government officials
1:06:21investigating you even then the question
1:06:23was are you or have you ever been a
1:06:25member of the Communist party and I I
1:06:27guess that that is my last line this is
1:06:28this is an opinion statement but the
1:06:30equivalent would be perhaps being a
1:06:31member of Hamas today I don't see any
1:06:33reason that we would have
1:06:36[Music]
1:06:37to maintain you in a federal working
1:06:40position or any Civic job
1:06:43or help you avoid some tough questions
1:06:46from Congress if you were a member
1:06:48associate of that organization so you
1:06:50some lines were crossed but I think the
1:06:51basic the basic point was was valid can
1:06:54I ask a followup sure yeah uh do you
1:06:56think there should be a legal difference
1:06:58in a court of law for if you were spying
1:07:00for a friendly country like Japan versus
1:07:04like a
1:07:05a hostile or not as friendly country
1:07:09like China well there there is we don't
1:07:11kill you I mean and I that that's said a
1:07:13bit glibly but as I understand uh if you
1:07:15are engaged in Espionage for non-hostile
1:07:18power and I don't know whether this is
1:07:19the upper cap on the law or just a
1:07:21gentleman's convention but you are
1:07:23you're not going to die you're not
1:07:26you're not going into the r equivalent
1:07:29of the Russian Gula Guantanamo or
1:07:31something like that so in practice the I
1:07:34as I understand we have one crime of
1:07:35Espionage and the maximum penalties for
1:07:37Espionage are extremely high what you're
1:07:39describing I think would fall under
1:07:40mitigating circumstances or incidental
1:07:43factors in the case but yeah in practice
1:07:45we're not going to treat a Japanese spy
1:07:46the way we would treat a a Russian spy
1:07:49people spying for Israel Mexico and
1:07:51countries like that are actually if you
1:07:53kind of get into Google Scholar and dig
1:07:55into that TI of articles that happens
1:07:56pretty often you'll find spies from
1:07:58unexpected countries like Nigeria you
1:08:01know and you just what do you I mean you
1:08:02I would suspect we give them a beating
1:08:03and send them home I mean that sounds a
1:08:05bit inelegant but I mean I assume they
1:08:07go to an unpleasant place for a couple
1:08:08weeks and we put them on a plane and
1:08:09ship them out so yes that that seems
1:08:11more appropriate to me than execution or
1:08:13something like that hello thank you for
1:08:16your time um I'm always struck in
1:08:18conversations like this about the idea
1:08:21of a culturally dominant narrative that
1:08:24you know still here we are and because
1:08:27we aren't part of that culturally
1:08:28dominant narrative we are sort of able
1:08:31to promote these ideas and profit off
1:08:33them and still talk about them I mean
1:08:36we're still free to discuss so I'm kind
1:08:38of curious in what ways you think that
1:08:40we as conservatives or heterodox
1:08:43thinkers are tangibly victimized by this
1:08:47dominant narrative well I don't I don't
1:08:49think that anyone in the United States I
1:08:51mean I I understand you asked the
1:08:52question that way for a reason but I
1:08:53don't really think anyone in the United
1:08:54States is is Vic victimized today I mean
1:08:57or oppressed or something like that I
1:08:59suppose there might be Native Americans
1:09:00on reservations or something like that
1:09:02or people who've been sex traffic but if
1:09:04you see like a black guy a white guy and
1:09:06a Hispanic guy arguing about who
1:09:08currently suffers more discrimination
1:09:09like they're all going to make it there
1:09:11are two points there one you're asking
1:09:13what's the Practical impact of being
1:09:15non-dominant in narrative right now the
1:09:17the short answer would be Society
1:09:19doesn't cater to you and you do face
1:09:20discrimination I mean that that's really
1:09:22it I mean so for those of you that plan
1:09:24on going into academ if you're good
1:09:26you'll probably get hired but bear in
1:09:27mind that you're entering a workspace
1:09:29where 90% of the people are going to
1:09:32disagree with you on most things and are
1:09:34going to view very basic things like
1:09:37saying well I'm not that much of a
1:09:39feminist or you know as a black guy I
1:09:41feel I have a slight advantage over my
1:09:42white buddies things you might not agree
1:09:44with but they would come up in any
1:09:45casual dinner party conversation as
1:09:48horrible I mean like you can literally
1:09:50end your career I've talked to some of
1:09:52your faculty members here but people
1:09:53have sent business emails saying
1:09:55disagree with your University policy on
1:09:57October 7th and that's you know you can
1:10:00get shown the door for that unless you
1:10:02have fullon tenure same thing could
1:10:04happen in the business world so that
1:10:05that's the answer I think you'll face
1:10:06annoying frequent
1:10:08discrimination first of all thank you
1:10:10for your time again um I have a two-part
1:10:12question how is it advantageous for
1:10:15left-wing politicians to side with the
1:10:17idea that us politicians have
1:10:20historically been oppressive and the
1:10:22second part is how can it make sense
1:10:24that these same politicians are losing
1:10:27the support of the working class well
1:10:30so the I think the short answer for this
1:10:33gets into again in uh business we used
1:10:36to call this The Horizon window like
1:10:38where the Paper Company cuts down all
1:10:39the trees why would you ever do
1:10:41something so stupid well because we need
1:10:42to sell a lot of paper this quarter I
1:10:44mean I don't think that left-wing
1:10:46politicians backing the idea that the
1:10:48United States of America is an evil
1:10:51place that shouldn't exist or some of
1:10:52the more extreme things you hear will in
1:10:55the End Produce good results uh I think
1:10:58right now people say that stuff because
1:11:00they know a large audience wants to hear
1:11:01it uh students want to hear it members
1:11:04of certain activist minority groups want
1:11:05to hear it so I mean like one of the
1:11:07major pressure points on kamla Harris
1:11:09right now is that if you listen to
1:11:10democratic Consultants one of whom's a
1:11:12good buddy of mine who will not be named
1:11:14here but like if you listen to them one
1:11:16of the big points of pressure on KLA
1:11:17Harris is that she's not denouncing the
1:11:19genocide in Gaza I mean the the war
1:11:22begun by Hamas about a year ago and I
1:11:25think that I wouldn't be surprised if
1:11:26she did as well as denouncing Arab
1:11:28atrocities against the Israelis why
1:11:30would you say something like that well
1:11:31because it gets you a million votes I I
1:11:33think that's the short answer um sorry
1:11:36what was the second part of the question
1:11:37how can it make sense that these same
1:11:40leftwing politicians are losing the
1:11:41support of the working class oh that
1:11:43that's excellent question but I mean I I
1:11:45think it's just the flip side of what
1:11:46you just said I I think that denouncing
1:11:49America denouncing major allies like
1:11:51Israel or for that matter some of the
1:11:52frenzy about Latin America on the right
1:11:54that kind of stuff is not going to be
1:11:56productive I don't think most people
1:11:58want to hear that so why are they doing
1:11:59it a aoral sociopathy basically why does
1:12:02a politician do anything except take
1:12:03your money um and is it why are they
1:12:07losing the vote of the working class I
1:12:09think the short answer is that Working
1:12:10Class People are more likely than upper
1:12:13middle class college students to
1:12:14disagree with most of these policies so
1:12:17Morgan and I actually talked about this
1:12:18a little bit I mean you guys here among
1:12:20the institutions that are doing some
1:12:21good statistical work on this but
1:12:23there's a major split in the Democrat
1:12:25party between people that are just
1:12:26liberal often members of minority groups
1:12:29feminist women um you know union workers
1:12:33like all just people who say like I
1:12:36obviously like America I think we're a
1:12:37Force for good but I also want
1:12:39Healthcare I mean like what's a
1:12:41reasonable left-wing issue child care I
1:12:43mean like they're all kind of reasonable
1:12:44leftwing issues actually so I mean
1:12:45there's a big split between those people
1:12:47and people who think that the the woke
1:12:51ideas are have a coherent value like
1:12:53it's disrespectful not to use someone's
1:12:55preferred pronouns or something like
1:12:57that and what you actually find you
1:12:59might you might correct this a little
1:13:00bit but what you actually find is that
1:13:01the people who are more woke are more
1:13:03upper class uh more college educated so
1:13:07on by far than the people who aren't so
1:13:09I think that a lot of the things that
1:13:11are being pushed by like the left in the
1:13:13political sense aren't things most
1:13:14Democrats want said that two or three
1:13:16times just sort of rambling but that
1:13:19that's basically the issue also a last
1:13:21point the Democrats are are trying to
1:13:24figure out right now how how to handle
1:13:25being the party of the
1:13:26rich so I mean as you've seen growth in
1:13:30sectors like Tech and Dei and you've
1:13:32seen a decline in sectors like
1:13:33industrial manufacturing The Stereotype
1:13:36of the businessman as being right-wing
1:13:38is changing I mean like the largest
1:13:41donors to the Democratic party are
1:13:42companies like Goldman Sachs you know
1:13:44Halbert this would have been unheard of
1:13:4620 years ago so I mean if you if you're
1:13:49trying to appeal to that new donor base
1:13:50that new voter base how does that affect
1:13:52your current voter base Bernie Sanders
1:13:54has said this very explicitly like he
1:13:56cow out a little bit during his last
1:13:58campaign but his basic point is you know
1:13:59you can like me or dislike me but I'm
1:14:01almost a Marxist I'm a socialist I want
1:14:03to give money to poor people why are we
1:14:05talking about like black Harvard
1:14:06students dating problems I mean like
1:14:09what what does that have to do with
1:14:10anything like I'm supposed to be working
1:14:11for the miners and so on and you guys
1:14:13are supposed to be working for
1:14:14management and we're supposed to be in
1:14:15the middle and I I think that's a pretty
1:14:17reasonable perspective for a leftist to
1:14:18have Professor thank you for your time
1:14:21of course I have a quick question about
1:14:23um tabos which you discussed in the
1:14:25library and online I guess taboos being
1:14:28the obvious thing that we um it's
1:14:31uncomfortable to talk about so with the
1:14:34examples you gave like with race and and
1:14:37gender and some of other some of those
1:14:38other taboo subjects they don't
1:14:41initially begin as tabos and then they
1:14:43change into becoming tabos so what do
1:14:46you think are the causes of that and how
1:14:49can we like identify something that
1:14:51might be in that category in the future
1:14:53the causes are really varied and are
1:14:56hard to predict I mean they the the
1:14:59primary cause is changing social moods
1:15:01and attitudes but I
1:15:03don't I don't even I I think there's a
1:15:06lot of research on what predicts those
1:15:08but I don't I haven't seen the the best
1:15:11Nate silver type quants that look at
1:15:13where macro what's the book macro Trends
1:15:15where that stuff's going to go in the
1:15:16future um have a pretty good record I
1:15:19have a good record of predicting that as
1:15:20I recall the latest macr trends book
1:15:22came out about two or three years ago
1:15:23and predicted AI would never have
1:15:25anything so I I tend to be pretty pretty
1:15:28skeptical of that stuff but basically
1:15:29your definition of a taboo is on point a
1:15:31taboo is an obvious an obvious or
1:15:33obviously true thing that you can't say
1:15:35um men and women are different there are
1:15:38different test scores in different
1:15:39ethnic groups cops are in the hood more
1:15:42because there's more crime there um just
1:15:44just on and on you anyone can think of
1:15:4610 but what those will be in the
1:15:50future I don't know they tend to be the
1:15:53the rate of change tends to be almost
1:15:55unexpected a taboo is something that you
1:15:57could logically see as problematic but
1:16:00that also is almost certainly real
1:16:03something maybe eating meat I could see
1:16:06as uh lab grown meat becomes more common
1:16:08one of the critiques of you guys will be
1:16:10like you Savages ate the Flesh of living
1:16:12animals so it it's very hard to predict
1:16:14like for 10,000 years humans enslaved
1:16:18battle captives and made them
1:16:20work now we let them go or kill them I
1:16:23mean it's the second more developed not
1:16:25really but we've we've come to the idea
1:16:27that this thing which you can understand
1:16:29as bad that we don't need anymore okay
1:16:32this is an answer to your question
1:16:34things that could be understood as bad
1:16:36that are no longer needed perhaps are
1:16:38very likely to become tabos so I mean I
1:16:40I think that the criticism of you guys
1:16:43uh in this generation one would probably
1:16:45be eating
1:16:47meat um another would probably be misuse
1:16:50of digital media like something like 3%
1:16:52of all young people are on only fans
1:16:53right now
1:16:55I mean I I have no idea but I think
1:16:56they're going they're going to vary up
1:16:58and down and they would be rather
1:17:00difficult for us to
1:17:04predict that wasn't a great answer this
1:17:06one will be thank you for coming out
1:17:09I've just really appreciate your lecture
1:17:11your points are sharp and your humor is
1:17:14it's really great I I I find it
1:17:17personally like top tier my question is
1:17:21more of just in your opinion I would
1:17:24guess uh to me it seems that political
1:17:27parties aren't so much as people
1:17:30figuring things out through facts as
1:17:31much as it is almost like a personality
1:17:34uh trait that kind of pulls them towards
1:17:37one side of the spectrum do you think
1:17:39that uh more empathetic people or people
1:17:43wishing to escape some form of
1:17:46resentment or trauma or
1:17:48more I guess pinpointed or tempted to
1:17:52fall into ideas such as Marxism and from
1:17:55that do you think that there's something
1:17:58psychological going on in our culture
1:18:01that is slowly affecting us to lean more
1:18:04towards the face of resentment for the
1:18:06world yeah that's I mean all these have
1:18:08been really good questions U I'm not the
1:18:10give yourself a round of applause type
1:18:12of gy like good good stuff um so in
1:18:15terms of answering that question yeah so
1:18:17the first part is just I mean if you if
1:18:19that's an Insight you came to on your
1:18:20own it's it's an impressive one yes like
1:18:22personality traits and predictable
1:18:24traits do predict your politics um if
1:18:26you see that someone is a conservative
1:18:28military AE male with past military
1:18:30service they're a conservative it's
1:18:31about 94 95% I forget the latest
1:18:34research but yeah so I mean obviously
1:18:36your your traits do predict uh how you
1:18:38vote the more empathic you are there are
1:18:41articles on this I haven't read them
1:18:42recently but I would imagine the more
1:18:43you want to give to others the more
1:18:44likely you are to be a socialist yet um
1:18:47I think the more interesting part of
1:18:48that is so why are we moving left now
1:18:52why is at least the youth population
1:18:54moving to a point where 61% of people
1:18:56say socialism is good um I think that
1:18:59the answer is because people are
1:19:00becoming weak and soft but I I would I
1:19:03would probably phrase that differently
1:19:04at a different audience but I mean like
1:19:07to some extent I I think that those
1:19:08experiences that that train people in
1:19:11the lack of empathy which is very
1:19:13important by the way empathy is
1:19:14generally bad outside your family and
1:19:15friends like if you have a $100 and you
1:19:19could take the person you like the most
1:19:21on a date or you could help your aging
1:19:23mother or you could give that to a
1:19:24homeless guy
1:19:25they're all not evil options but the
1:19:26worst of those is to give that to a
1:19:27homeless guy and there are multiple
1:19:29examples in ethics books that break this
1:19:31down so I think we're becoming more
1:19:33empathic because the training in the
1:19:35lack of empathy uh military service
1:19:37rates are down rates of Varsity athletic
1:19:39participation are down um even just
1:19:41growing up in large families where
1:19:43you'll Spar sometimes with your brothers
1:19:45but then help them out if they have an
1:19:46issue with their homework that's down so
1:19:48people have trouble disconnecting that
1:19:50Baseline level of emotion from how you
1:19:52should behave in life unless you're evil
1:19:54every one feels sorry for those that are
1:19:56suffering the question is how much do
1:19:58you take from yourself the people
1:20:01closest to you uh so on down the line to
1:20:04to help people that are currently in
1:20:05that situation and they're actually like
1:20:07the Ancients actually answered this I
1:20:08mean both the Greeks and the Hebrews
1:20:10said 10% maybe you add that up at the
1:20:12end of the year that's what I and my
1:20:14fiance do when we give to charity so
1:20:16like there is an answer there well
1:20:17actually that's affected by the fact
1:20:18that now I have to pay taxes um but
1:20:22there is an answer there but just being
1:20:24access L empathic is not a good thing
1:20:26and I think we are training people to do
1:20:27that I think there's a lot of evidence
1:20:28of that okay I was just going to ask you
1:20:30keep talking about like the results and
1:20:32the differences between ethnicities
1:20:34races and you've acknowledged that there
1:20:36is biological difference between genders
1:20:39so do you think this also applies to
1:20:41races like is there a reason like I was
1:20:43just looking at the stats and stuff like
1:20:45how drastically different I think it's
1:20:46like 14 times more between non-hispanic
1:20:49blacks non-hispanic whites uh for
1:20:51violent crime rate and do you think
1:20:54maybe that's because certain people live
1:20:55together for like 3 four 5,000 years
1:20:58developed a certain way and then when we
1:21:00push them all together they're going to
1:21:01be different yeah so I I first of all I
1:21:04don't think that's an evil idea I mean
1:21:06hereditarianism as that's called is one
1:21:08of those things that was for a long time
1:21:09just a respectable scientific Paradigm I
1:21:11argue against it personally but I've
1:21:13read Charles Murray Arthur Jensen so on
1:21:16um in terms of some of that stuff I tend
1:21:19to think that so the short answer is
1:21:22hereditarianism is a legitimate
1:21:23scientific paradigm there could be
1:21:26biogenetic differences between human
1:21:27ethnic groups I mean if nothing else you
1:21:28notice they're all different colors
1:21:30right I mean like there obviously are
1:21:32people have bright red hair and so forth
1:21:34I mean you know um by no means just
1:21:36yourself I recently did looked at some
1:21:38interesting data on Ireland but I I tend
1:21:41to think that the actual gaps that we
1:21:43would see between large racial groups
1:21:45given equal training would be pretty
1:21:47small I mean so like the 14x uh BW
1:21:51violent crime Gap that actually it's
1:21:53down to down to but down to 11x that's
1:21:55only for murder if you go to the uh BJs
1:21:59and CVS the barreu of Justice statistics
1:22:01National Crime victimization survey and
1:22:03I'd recommend you do that as opposed to
1:22:05like either black guys or alt guys on
1:22:07the internet not that that's where this
1:22:08sort of information comes from but like
1:22:11I would like if you look at the full
1:22:13column on crime like all the index
1:22:15crimes which includes like arson child
1:22:17molestation human trafficking which is
1:22:19very heavily Hispanic crime right now um
1:22:21the black violent crime rate is about
1:22:232.3x the white rate uh whites actually
1:22:25dominate some property crimes because of
1:22:27the impact of opiates and Appalachia you
1:22:29know and in fact actually the county
1:22:32jail is one of the most diverse places
1:22:33you'll ever be unless you join the
1:22:35military I mean right now crime is about
1:22:3755% Caucasian it's 25% black which is a
1:22:402 to1 over representation not can't
1:22:42minimize that and it's 20% uh Hispanic
1:22:45so no when I look at figures like that I
1:22:47don't think that's primarily genetic I
1:22:49would say the biggest cause of high
1:22:51crime rates in the black community is
1:22:53Extreme rates of family collapse
1:22:55so I mean if you read Tom Soul or anyone
1:22:57like that you know in 1938 and 1946
1:23:00they're kind of bracketing World War II
1:23:02the illegitimacy rate or out of wedlock
1:23:03birth rate if you prefer in the black
1:23:05community was 11% uh whites are do we're
1:23:07doing even better at the time it was
1:23:08four to 5 per. but I mean now if you
1:23:10look at those rates it's I think 38.5%
1:23:13for whites I don't want to overstate for
1:23:15anyone but it's 55% for
1:23:17mexican-americans 65% for Puerto Ricans
1:23:2067% for Natives and 69% for
1:23:22African-Americans so we're doing the
1:23:24worse but it's the worst of like a
1:23:26prettyy bad lineup and I mean I would
1:23:28say that when you look at that for
1:23:30Caucasians I mean that 900% increase and
1:23:33that variable um that stuff is almost
1:23:36certainly cultural I wouldn't use the
1:23:37term
1:23:38environmental people that look at that
1:23:40often are looking at the single variable
1:23:42of sces or
1:23:43income um so you like you don't equalize
1:23:46black and white IQ scores for example if
1:23:48you just adjust for income but if you
1:23:50adjust for literally two or three other
1:23:52things like father in the home books in
1:23:53the home you gener really do uh my
1:23:55response to this is I think the
1:23:56culturalists are probably about 80 to
1:23:5890% right but I think people should
1:24:00actually do more research on this like
1:24:02you should throw the genetic proxy use
1:24:04Twins or something like that and the
1:24:05cultural proxy hours of study in the
1:24:07model that like tests racism and see
1:24:10which one of them works better and I
1:24:11think what you'd find is most of the
1:24:12time racism would have no impact left at
1:24:14all yeah thanks for asking the question
1:24:15that's one of those things that
1:24:16obviously a lot of people wonder about
1:24:19um I really don't think we know much
1:24:21about racial differences I just don't
1:24:22think they're going to be particularly
1:24:25large like I mean I was a distance
1:24:27runner for a while and also would be
1:24:29basketball player but better at running
1:24:3050 pounds ago and the I once looked at
1:24:35all the track records by race because
1:24:37the stereotype is this is one of the
1:24:39things that's most clearly racially
1:24:40defined right you always see a bunch of
1:24:41Kenyan guys then a bunch of white guys
1:24:43then a bunch of Asian guys and then like
1:24:45everyone who's not getting paid and I
1:24:46mean I was curious about what the what
1:24:49the top performances were and there are
1:24:50racial differences but like the the top
1:24:53Kenyan time is uh 2 hours and 2 minutes
1:24:56for the marathon the 26 mile the top
1:24:59white time is actually quite good it's
1:25:01like 204 something they're trying not to
1:25:03count it right now because of wind
1:25:05resistance or something this wasn't my
1:25:06race thank God but um the top Asian
1:25:08times is like 205 I think that those are
1:25:10the kind of gaps you'd see where you see
1:25:12one group dominating certain things like
1:25:14man we have a lot of Jewish American
1:25:16astronauts but if you were really
1:25:18looking at who's making the varsity
1:25:20football team or something like that it
1:25:22would be extremely diverse given equal
1:25:23starting point thank you for your time
1:25:25and I appreciate your work very much um
1:25:28in terms of when we're trying to discuss
1:25:30these issues with people who might have
1:25:32been you know partially or fully
1:25:35infected by the woke mind virus um you
1:25:38know many of these people like are our
1:25:41fellow members of society they might be
1:25:42our neighbors in my like discussions
1:25:44with them it's been very difficult
1:25:46because it feels like we're talking past
1:25:48each other so what would you recommend
1:25:51um as like I've tried like dunking them
1:25:54with Statistics which uh you know might
1:25:57feel good temporarily but I feel like it
1:25:59it draws us further apart from having a
1:26:01productive um conversation that will
1:26:04lead them to the truth so what would you
1:26:06recommend have you had any experiences
1:26:08with discussing these matters with
1:26:10people maybe um people who aren't like
1:26:13within the dark Triad you know there are
1:26:15many people who are just allies um and
1:26:17are not like Psychopathic or sociopathic
1:26:21um so what would you recommend as in
1:26:23terms of like helpful rhetoric
1:26:24strategies or what have you I would
1:26:26recommend the two old Debaters tricks
1:26:29one Define your terms like what do you
1:26:31mean uh and you're going to often find
1:26:34so if you're talking to someone the one
1:26:36thing that's consistent with all woke
1:26:37people is that they think all
1:26:38differences fit their three-point model
1:26:40so you have to understand Society is set
1:26:42up to oppress you have to understand Gap
1:26:44show oppression you have to understand
1:26:45the solution is equity so like every
1:26:47time someone has told me like let me
1:26:48educate you we need to have a
1:26:49conversation about race it breaks down
1:26:51to those things like don't you know that
1:26:53there is systemic oppression in the
1:26:55United States or something like that um
1:26:58so I think the first point would be like
1:27:00Define your terms is that the framework
1:27:02you're coming from one and second what
1:27:04do you mean by things like systemic
1:27:05oppression and then I I just ask a lot
1:27:08of questions when I'm talking with
1:27:09someone like I mean one of the ones I
1:27:11used recently when someone is arguing
1:27:13that almost no black students would
1:27:15could succeed was just I did pull up a
1:27:17stat it was some of my stuff on
1:27:18discrimination but I said I mean like
1:27:20statistically it looks like overweight
1:27:21white women have a bit of a harder time
1:27:24do you think no overweight white women
1:27:26can succeed I was like that's ridiculous
1:27:28you think chubby white girls can't make
1:27:29it that's insulting you're a sexist and
1:27:31I was like that's what you're saying
1:27:33though right you don't think people can
1:27:35study 5% more and that that's something
1:27:37that rarely comes up in these
1:27:38conversations like uh I recently wrote a
1:27:41response this was one of my academic
1:27:42pieces to the the whole literature on
1:27:46kind of audit studies which are studies
1:27:47where you send in a thousand resumés to
1:27:50a business and you see whether white
1:27:52guys are more likely to get hired than
1:27:53black guys and I had two questions in
1:27:55the article one um if you gave the white
1:27:58guy and the black guy the same name but
1:27:59indicate the black guy is black like his
1:28:01name is Mark Blackman instead of like
1:28:04Jus which is an actual name that's been
1:28:06used like is there any difference in
1:28:08hiring um and the second article was if
1:28:10your name is the second question was if
1:28:11your name was jqu is couldn't you just
1:28:13apply as like Jay Thomas Brown so I I
1:28:16think that basic question of are there
1:28:17very easy ways to get around most of
1:28:20these barriers that's something that's
1:28:21almost never asked I'd like to see asked
1:28:22more but for you to answer your question
1:28:24directly um I would ask people to Define
1:28:26exactly what they're talking about and
1:28:27make them say that like do you think
1:28:29that I am as a male a member of an
1:28:31oppressor group do you think that I mean
1:28:34do you actually view this as a
1:28:35systemically racist country how what do
1:28:37you mean that's point one and then start
1:28:39asking them questions like okay so if
1:28:41this this systemic racism has whites on
1:28:43the top who would you expect to be the
1:28:45richest group in the country if you're
1:28:46really having like an ongoing sitting
1:28:49there with a glass of wine conversation
1:28:50about this okay is that the richest
1:28:52group in the country who would you
1:28:53expect to be the second is that third is
1:28:56that the poorest is that and I mean I
1:28:58actually think it's pretty hard to
1:29:00sustain this looking at the the real
1:29:02data I mean like the wealthiest group in
1:29:04the country right now is
1:29:06indian-americans number two is Jews
1:29:08Jewish Americans number three is
1:29:10Taiwanese people so I mean if you
1:29:12actually say well historically what
1:29:13discrimination has there ever been
1:29:14against Jews I mean I I think then then
1:29:16you're in you're in a losing you're in a
1:29:18losing battle the poorest group right
1:29:20now is
1:29:21Appalachians so Scots Irish people who
1:29:24live in in the mountains in the the
1:29:26southeast so I mean I would just I would
1:29:28ask questions what do you mean what do
1:29:29you mean can you defend this I I
1:29:31wouldn't attack I wouldn't say like
1:29:32you're obviously an idiot just make them
1:29:35make them support their their thesis
1:29:37okay I'll try that on Twitter thank you
1:29:39yeah and that's the I mean Twitter is a
1:29:41site that exists for dunking on people
1:29:43that's mostly what I do on Twitter I'll
1:29:44retweet someone with comments like this
1:29:46is the stupidest thing I've ever seen
1:29:48and then that's generally what goes
1:29:50viral but I don't I don't really think
1:29:51that changes too many Minds like you do
1:29:53that what one thing that's worth noting
1:29:54is that there's nothing wrong with
1:29:56preaching to the choir like if you're
1:29:58the pastor in a church you want to
1:30:00preach to the choir because they're in
1:30:02the church so there's nothing wrong with
1:30:04helping out your friends or jumping into
1:30:06arguments but just understand you're not
1:30:07going to change a skilled opponent's
1:30:09mind that way really ever uh thank you
1:30:11for coming and give us giving us some of
1:30:13your time uh I wanted to ask we always
1:30:16hear about politicians saying we Unity
1:30:18we need to unify Barack Obama in 2004
1:30:21saying not just red States blue States
1:30:22but the United States but
1:30:25conservatives have claimed that Obama in
1:30:27his 2012 campaign and 2012 term his
1:30:30rhetoric worse in racial relations
1:30:32Democrats claimed Donald Trump and his
1:30:33entirety worsened racial racial
1:30:35relations the 2020 BLM riots and then
1:30:39this election term you see KLA and Trump
1:30:41both uh campaigning specifically to
1:30:43African-American the African-American
1:30:44community so in your opinion what is
1:30:46this what is the sole contributor or
1:30:49contributors that have led to this
1:30:51perceived worsening of racial
1:30:52relationships in the United States
1:30:54well I mean I I think that the const the
1:30:57constant back and forth between the
1:30:58people of different races and political
1:31:00parties which to me comes more from the
1:31:02left is what's worse in race relations I
1:31:03don't think there's a debate about that
1:31:04this again is empirical data that I've
1:31:06worked with I mean and the one thing
1:31:08that people have to remember I'm temp to
1:31:10say some like you young whipper snappers
1:31:12but like when I was growing up in like
1:31:141998 in Chicago we weren't living in the
1:31:17Jim Crow South so I mean like most
1:31:19people probably 55% of relationships at
1:31:22my high school are interracial so when
1:31:24people in that kind of Jordan and bird
1:31:26era were pulled about race relations um
1:31:29about 70% of both whites and blacks said
1:31:31they were good um asian-americans as
1:31:33well actually 64% something like that
1:31:36now if you pull people about race
1:31:37relations uh only 30% of whites and 33%
1:31:40of minority say they're good so we've
1:31:42empirically tanked race relations during
1:31:44the era of wokeness And The Angry alt
1:31:46response and C in fact you kind of
1:31:48wonder if that was the goal I mean I
1:31:50would wonder how many of these people
1:31:51that are on social media saying all this
1:31:53kind of crap are you know foreign agents
1:31:56that's certainly something I would look
1:31:57into if I were a Chinese spy with some
1:32:00wit but we've made this worse um and I I
1:32:04guess to get into your question I I
1:32:06think the rhetoric from the Democrats
1:32:08overall now obviously I openly have a
1:32:10center-right bias but the rhetoric from
1:32:12the Democrats I don't think has been any
1:32:13better in fact I think it's been
1:32:14slightly worse more than slightly worse
1:32:16I mean and this is this is an important
1:32:18point because we frequently hear like
1:32:19we've never heard anything like Trump
1:32:20before I mean kamla Harris the other day
1:32:23literally said if this guy's elected we
1:32:25won't have our democracy anymore we have
1:32:27to do everything we can anything we can
1:32:29think of to stop this guy now this is
1:32:30someone who's been shot at twice I mean
1:32:33so I don't I don't four times okay I I
1:32:36only knew I know the I didn't think the
1:32:38third guy got close enough to shoot at
1:32:39him there 30 time whatever just a few
1:32:42what's an assassination attempt between
1:32:43friends but I mean like so when you when
1:32:47you know someone's trying to kill your
1:32:48rival and you go out there and say like
1:32:50my God we're never going back do
1:32:52whatever it takes I mean I I do think
1:32:54that because of the slant in the media
1:32:56there's less focus on that than there is
1:32:57on Trump's equivalent nonsense I don't
1:32:59by the way like I'm not a I I'm gonna
1:33:02vote for him over Harris but I don't
1:33:04think that Trump is an ideal candidate
1:33:08either he's 80 years old and often goes
1:33:12off on these sort of rants himself I
1:33:14mean I think there's a play like a lot
1:33:16of people have said when mitt Ry and
1:33:18Barack Obama ran against each other you
1:33:19know I found them both boring and they
1:33:20said a lot of crap about each other but
1:33:22they both looked like they were
1:33:23professionals who could avoid starting a
1:33:24war for at least a couple of months and
1:33:26I think that a the general perspective
1:33:29on our elections has fallen off in terms
1:33:31of confidence since then I think that
1:33:33the reasons for that are obvious but I
1:33:35mean I think that this rhetoric is yes
1:33:37it's harmful it has damaged race
1:33:38relations we can measure that
1:33:39empirically and yeah I think the worst
1:33:40of it's come from the left the last line
1:33:43for me because I I think there's one
1:33:44followup you might have but last line
1:33:46for me um I think the BLM situation is
1:33:50actually the classic example of this
1:33:52right where like people are allowed to
1:33:53go on National television and say like
1:33:54there's a genocide going on every day
1:33:57several of us are killed I mean none of
1:33:58this had any bore any resemblance to the
1:34:00truth so I think that's the C that's the
1:34:03craziest thing about that era in history
1:34:04thanks for being here
1:34:06um with your convincing reputation of
1:34:11all the incredible statements that have
1:34:13been fed to us through the media and
1:34:15other people you you made a couple
1:34:19statements of your own that to me
1:34:21sounded uh incredible and you didn't
1:34:23qualify them during your uh presentation
1:34:27one of them was the statement about uh
1:34:31there being more slaves in the world now
1:34:34than there were ever before which uh you
1:34:39know may be true but maybe there's other
1:34:41things to consider like m per percentage
1:34:45wise how many what slavery actually
1:34:47means all these other factors to
1:34:49consider and the other one was uh that
1:34:52all the people prose uted by the ha were
1:34:56uh were all guilty of
1:34:58Espionage um which you did qualify later
1:35:02but my question is not so much whether
1:35:04or not these claims are true but
1:35:07shouldn't we when we're trying to
1:35:10address nonsense and uh unmiracle claims
1:35:15from the left uh not a try to avoid at
1:35:19all cost making our own unqualified
1:35:21claims because then we just have
1:35:24uh a textbook from the EXT from one
1:35:26extreme and a textbook from The Other
1:35:28Extreme but very little balance yeah so
1:35:30again as with the hereditarianism
1:35:32question I mean thanks for asking that
1:35:34obviously yeah I I I think there's a
1:35:37fairly obvious difference so the the
1:35:38first point would simply be I don't
1:35:40think that I'm trying to lie so if
1:35:41someone comes up and and this is an
1:35:43important Point like if someone comes up
1:35:44and says hey I disagree with that claim
1:35:48can we review it I think most people who
1:35:50aren't hacks are going to just say yeah
1:35:51I mean so that that that that's the
1:35:53chord difference I mean if you go up to
1:35:54someone who's incredibly woke or for
1:35:56that matter on the the furthest edge of
1:35:58the dissonant right and you say hey what
1:36:00makes you say that are you willing to
1:36:02sit down and talk about it with me
1:36:03they're going to say hell no I mean
1:36:05unless you're willing to convert to my
1:36:07perspective generally at least in my
1:36:08experience as it turns out um both of
1:36:10those claims are at least defensible I
1:36:12might give you the second one but there
1:36:13are there are more slaves in the world
1:36:15today than there were in the past now
1:36:17the the question there is a per capita
1:36:19analysis right so if there are a 100
1:36:21million slaves today which is an
1:36:22argument you ly here when people invoke
1:36:24morania morania they count Bond surf
1:36:27them in Saudi Arabia South India so on I
1:36:29mean that's a reasonable figure in the
1:36:31past I mean like during the entire
1:36:33Atlantic slave trade there were 12
1:36:34million slaves mostly black West African
1:36:36sold out of Africa uh Arab slave Trad 17
1:36:39million Africans maybe six million
1:36:41whites so I mean then this is over a
1:36:43course of time of course so I mean the
1:36:44Atlantic slave trade went on for about
1:36:46300 years yeah they there were more
1:36:47slaves today now the the response which
1:36:50you gave intelligently is there also
1:36:51more people yeah I mean but that I
1:36:54didn't say slaves per capita you know
1:36:55there just a bunch of slaves and I think
1:36:57if you told most people that there are
1:36:58100 million slaves today it was 40
1:37:00million is a perhaps a more realistic
1:37:02like definite bonded not leaving figure
1:37:05I think they would be very shocked by
1:37:06that again the majority of people think
1:37:09of slavery in my experience in the
1:37:11United States as something bad that
1:37:14happened to black people in the United
1:37:15States or most black people in the west
1:37:18that is not accurate I mean the huge
1:37:21majority of slaves today are not in this
1:37:23part of the world like I mentioned one
1:37:25of the groups that's responding to this
1:37:26is in Burma so no I think it's a good
1:37:28point and I you know I do vet through
1:37:30these speeches that's something I might
1:37:31do a little little more intensely but no
1:37:33I I think that one's defensible the
1:37:35everyone was a Russian spy well I think
1:37:38that refers to the the people in that
1:37:40paragraph So I mean you've got uh his
1:37:43you've got the spe the Rosenberg so on
1:37:46probably the top five or six cause
1:37:50celebs on the left like they are people
1:37:52mentioned in the venod cable
1:37:54with handlers I mean like there's not
1:37:57really any dispute in those cases so I
1:37:59mean I it's a good point so always you
1:38:02should always as an author and speaker
1:38:04read more closely like thanks for
1:38:05pointing that out but I mean I I
1:38:07wouldn't put that in the same category
1:38:08as there are there's a genocide of black
1:38:10people in the United States or something
1:38:12yeah I guess what I was trying to say
1:38:14was just that a textbook that argues
1:38:16that there are more slaves now than
1:38:18there are today without saying that for
1:38:20instance there are way fewer proponents
1:38:22of slavery would also be a biased
1:38:24textbook well yeah I mean so like if I
1:38:28that again that that is a good point if
1:38:30I were to write this as a book I mean I
1:38:32think in the slavery section I would
1:38:34defin it's a good point it's an accurate
1:38:36point but if I were to write the slavery
1:38:38section I'm pretty sure I'd mention that
1:38:40there are there's an anti-slavery
1:38:42movement today as well that sort of
1:38:44thing you know some of these questions
1:38:46though like I'm actually the one time
1:38:49I've ever asked a group it happened to
1:38:50be adult males how they actually felt
1:38:52about slavery absent from conventional
1:38:54morality but like if we changed our
1:38:56policy so that people we defeated in war
1:38:59would be forced to work in the United
1:39:00States for 30 years or something would
1:39:01you support that I I I don't claim that
1:39:03this data is representative but about
1:39:0465% of them said yeah I have no problem
1:39:06with that and I see a couple people
1:39:08nodding I I don't think most people
1:39:09would have any particular problem in
1:39:11slaving battle captives as opposed to
1:39:12shooting them you know so it's the I
1:39:16don't actually know if we are more
1:39:17opposed to slavery than we have been in
1:39:18any previous time there were Athenian
1:39:20arguments against slavery ngar I believe
1:39:23the Buddhist philosopher uh spoke out
1:39:25against slavery although he mostly
1:39:26argued for the gentler treating of
1:39:27slaves Aristotle on the other hand
1:39:29argued for slavery you know the the tool
1:39:32that talks need to be fed but you can
1:39:33beat it you know the Eman significant um
1:39:37proem manpat movement in the United
1:39:39States in the 1800s but I mean I now
1:39:42we're kind we're kind of getting into
1:39:43the weeds here your your point was a
1:39:44good point yes yeah it's always always
1:39:47good idea to check what you say definely
1:39:49Sir last one hello um so I appreciate
1:39:54you pointing out the importance of uh
1:39:56restoring facts to conversations um but
1:40:01uh I'm wondering if by focusing on
1:40:02factual inaccuracies of a of claims
1:40:06you're
1:40:07missing important wisdom that or kernels
1:40:11of truth even if they're small that that
1:40:13that um position has for instance um as
1:40:17we heard at the beginning rate crimes
1:40:19rate crimes hate crime rates sorry I
1:40:22just misspoke hate crime rates have
1:40:25increased uh recently uh unless the FBI
1:40:28is lying to us maybe that's the case now
1:40:31um
1:40:33but it pointing out that there's some
1:40:38inaccuracy in the rhetoric about that
1:40:40doesn't change the fact that we should
1:40:43probably be addressing the hate crimes
1:40:44that do occur I think there are two
1:40:47levels to that um I'm going to write
1:40:49both these down at the first level I
1:40:51mean when you say well there's some
1:40:52kernels of Truth even in the The
1:40:54Narrative of the the black lives matter
1:40:56guys and the dissidents going back and
1:40:58forth that part the second part I
1:41:00basically agree with the the first part
1:41:02I I don't believe in Poetic truth I'm a
1:41:04boring statistician like if someone says
1:41:07like we saw this a lot with George Floyd
1:41:08where people said like a man was
1:41:10murdered as happen so often as reminds
1:41:13us of Emitt tail and the Strange Fruit
1:41:15swinging from Southern like my reaction
1:41:17to this is kind of cut the bull like
1:41:20it's it's unfortunate that this guy died
1:41:22in this encounter with police
1:41:23uh I think I it would have been hard to
1:41:26prove murder to in that case speaking of
1:41:27somebody who trained as a lawyer but you
1:41:29know that's not ideal policing take him
1:41:30to court but does is does that represent
1:41:33some deep failing of the Western World
1:41:36the USA and Britain and Ireland no um
1:41:39not at all so I I don't think the poetic
1:41:41truth like the the used angle Matthew
1:41:44Shepard comes up in this context in the
1:41:46gay right space I have a sort of speak
1:41:48not ill of the Dead policy I mean like
1:41:49so I'm not going to unpack each one of
1:41:51these cases but like a lot of those held
1:41:53up to the light people should have
1:41:55certainly done some jail time but we're
1:41:57not really looking at martyrdom Jacob
1:41:59Blake probably the second most famous
1:42:00black lives matter a martyr after uh Mr
1:42:03Floyd was literally a rapist who went
1:42:05back to his wife or his victim's house
1:42:08uh and tried to steal her car so he was
1:42:10attempting to drive off in her vehicle
1:42:13with a couple kids in it when he got
1:42:15into a physical fight with an officer
1:42:16the officer pulls a service weapon and
1:42:18shoots him uh seven times again you can
1:42:21you can argue for prosecuting excessive
1:42:23force in that one case although I
1:42:24wouldn't I just would have dropped that
1:42:25under the circumstances but uh can you
1:42:27say that this means something about
1:42:29American police officers they're hunting
1:42:31rapist to the end of the world I mean I
1:42:32I don't think you can the second point
1:42:35is actually is is legitimate most of
1:42:37these points aren't actually they're
1:42:38actually just quite valid but um you
1:42:41know if you're looking at something so
1:42:43for example if in hate crime hoax I find
1:42:44that almost 20% of these high-profile
1:42:46hate incidents or all the hate incidents
1:42:48more than that of the high profiles are
1:42:49fake do you write that book knowing that
1:42:52they're actually is hate crime and maybe
1:42:55more to the point there actually is
1:42:56racial violence there actually is sexual
1:42:58assault knowing that people are there
1:43:00are people that are going to use that to
1:43:02present a false imager skepticism about
1:43:04it uh I think the answer is yeah because
1:43:06it's extremely relevant that a quarter
1:43:08of the cases aren't real like if you're
1:43:10a police detective you need to know that
1:43:13or you're going to sentence a very large
1:43:14number of innocent people to jail yeah
1:43:17so I mean you you definitely present
1:43:18that information and throughout the book
1:43:19I actually kind of and again some maybe
1:43:22some of you do better on your talks like
1:43:23I and many other people are you know
1:43:26shouty charismatic and a public speaking
1:43:28appearance whereas you're not in an
1:43:29academic Journal article but in the book
1:43:31itself I mean that Point's made
1:43:32consistently like x% of sexual assault
1:43:34claims are real X percent of you know
1:43:37racial violence claims are real like if
1:43:38someone excuse me gets their ass kicked
1:43:39outside a country bar at 4: a.m like
1:43:41that happened there's a category of
1:43:44offenses though where people are saying
1:43:45things like Jesse Smet claimed that he
1:43:47walked through the young executive
1:43:49neighborhood in Chicago at 2: in the
1:43:51morning this neighborhood's 10 % black
1:43:5310% gay uh 87% Hillary Clinton voters
1:43:56and he was set upon by two brutes that
1:43:58he was able to beat back as just a tough
1:44:00guy and so on and I mean when that comes
1:44:02up you can't say oh well that surely
1:44:04happened just to enforce a narrative
1:44:07because you end up looking like a fool
1:44:08now a third Point kind of down the
1:44:10middle when you have hard data like you
1:44:13just presented another question would be
1:44:14the validity of the data so the FBI hate
1:44:16crime data actually is really bad the
1:44:18FBI has gotten into this problem
1:44:21recently where a lot and because Donald
1:44:23Trump has said this a lot of academics
1:44:24aren't really going to note this point
1:44:26but like one of the reasons that you
1:44:28often get insane figures for the
1:44:29African-American crime rate is that it's
1:44:32usually taken from the What's called the
1:44:34FBI UCR that's the Uniform Crime Report
1:44:37from the fibbies the FBI there's a
1:44:39better crime data source comes from
1:44:41basically the census called The BJs and
1:44:42CVS blah blah blah but the problem with
1:44:45the FBI crime report is that most people
1:44:47don't report to it there's a long
1:44:49complicated document you have to fill
1:44:51out to send in all the statistics from
1:44:53your Police Department over the course
1:44:54of a year which could make your
1:44:55department look like a bunch of ignorant
1:44:57hacks so you're basically putting out
1:44:58all this work for nothing um so in the
1:45:02UCR like one thing I found out and
1:45:05anyone academics watching free to
1:45:06challenge me on this but one thing I
1:45:08found out is that poor white departments
1:45:09almost never report so I mean like if
1:45:12you're looking at why there's a big
1:45:13difference in African-American crime
1:45:15totals over here versus over here it's
1:45:17because the areas that have poor and
1:45:18violent white guys aren't going to
1:45:19contribute over here generally speaking
1:45:22much of the time
1:45:23um so when you see something like so
1:45:27like a couple of years ago the FBI
1:45:28reporting rate in what's called nibbers
1:45:30their new UCR system dropped to around
1:45:3460% and that's number of towns not
1:45:36number of people it's now back up to
1:45:38normal it's now back up to around 90
1:45:41which also isn't that good but like you
1:45:42you'd have to look at what year that's
1:45:44coming from so on um the one time I took
1:45:47a look at the FBI data just on hate
1:45:49crimes it was I think 2021 because
1:45:52someone made this challenge to the book
1:45:53and like you want to respond to it you
1:45:54want to be sincere about it and the
1:45:56argument was that hate crimes had
1:45:57increased by
1:45:591500 but the first thing that I found
1:46:01was that reporting departments like the
1:46:03number of departments that actually
1:46:03reported in had increased by a thousand
1:46:06so each department would have had to
1:46:08report 1.5 hate crimes to account for
1:46:10that difference and I I mentioned that
1:46:12to the guy who pointed this out and he
1:46:14and I said you know we should break this
1:46:15down across all 1,000 small cities and
1:46:17that did not happen but I mean that I I
1:46:20would be skeptical about some of that
1:46:21stuff where you see these bounces in
1:46:23crime uh same thing with last comment
1:46:25and I do want to hear if there's a final
1:46:27response of you but I would apply this
1:46:28to some extent to Federal samee data
1:46:31usually just as a data point where so
1:46:34like the Biden Administration will say
1:46:35we created X number of jobs and then six
1:46:37months later after the fiscal year ends
1:46:39he usually end in July they'll say sorry
1:46:40we overestimated about 880,000 I mean
1:46:43this just happened so I mean it's uh
1:46:45Trump was just as bad with this but I I
1:46:48am not sure I I wouldn't be surprised if
1:46:49hate crimes have increased by one or
1:46:512,000 just given the level of raal
1:46:53tensions and yeah that is something to
1:46:54note but I I do think that data source
1:46:56has a lot of issues and at the broader
1:46:58poetic Point like until you can prove
1:47:00the validity of the data on on no I
1:47:01don't I don't think one case involving
1:47:03say an abused lesbian woman or something
1:47:05that really says much about the country
1:47:07you'd have to show the context but that
1:47:09that's a qualitative quantitative thing
1:47:10right other people would disagree
1:47:12[Applause]

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