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0:05[Music]
0:15welcome back to debaters
0:16season two debate game trip for high
0:18school students here
0:19in vietnam produced and broadcasted by
0:22vtv7 the national educational channel of
0:24vietnam
0:25and british university vietnam
0:28i'm your host dustin chavier
0:31today this debate is very very exciting
0:35we have now
0:36entered the quarter finals yes we had
0:39six debates before
0:40six finalists quarterfinals are
0:42happening now the teams behind me
0:45very very fluent in english they're
0:47experienced
0:48they know how the format is and today
0:50the expectations for them
0:51are super super high
0:55and to make it even better the judges
0:58will pick
0:58somebody from the quarterfinals to move
1:00on so
1:02win or lose it's very important you guys
1:05do the best you possibly can
1:07because there will be a wild card that
1:08the judges do pick so keep that in mind
1:10so
1:11if you don't do well today it's going to
1:14be problematic so please please
1:16a games from all of you in today's
1:18motion that we regret
1:20the rise of choice feminism
1:24yes we are discussing feminism a topic
1:27that is widely discussed in western
1:29countries and i believe it's growing in
1:31vietnam
1:32i will be learning more about that today
1:34from our contestants behind me
1:36without further ado let me please
1:37welcome the contestants
1:41it's a pretty challenging motion when we
1:44have to research
1:45a lot about feminism and how it's going
1:48to work
1:49in the modern society so i think that
1:52we are pretty well prepared for the
1:54upcoming debate
1:56and we we hope that we will bring a high
1:59quality debate
2:00in the quad final
2:06the motion about regretting the the rise
2:09of choice feminism is
2:10a really vague motion and it's more
2:12relevant in the status quo right now
2:14so the challenge for proposition which
2:16is our team
2:18is that the team has to prove why the
2:20rise of choice feminism is harmful to
2:22the society
2:23most especially to feminist movement
2:25which lobbies the idea of equality at
2:27the same time
2:29women's representation or good
2:30representation in this the status quo
2:33so i believe it's a challenging motion
2:35at the same time it's a very interesting
2:37motion because they
2:38there are a lot of doors for
2:41each team to argue upon
2:45throughout the last match we've been
2:47able to learn
2:49from the feedbacks by the judges to
2:52improve
2:52our flexibility with our case to be able
2:54to develop it more throughout the
2:56first and second and third speeches
2:59[Music]
3:02while it is a very interesting and very
3:04uh trendy motion
3:06very relevant to today's issues i
3:08personally believe that
3:10since choice feminism isn't quite a very
3:12popular ideal
3:14within the mainstream feminism it would
3:16be extremely hard to debate
3:22because it's like quite a final it's
3:24very important for them to introduce
3:25next round
3:26so we prepare for them for two things
3:29third is on the
3:30ideas and the second thing is their
3:32performance
3:33because like feminism and feminist women
3:35are extremely important and
3:37controversial
3:38so we want them to give the best of
3:40their performance
3:41on their ideas and we make sure that
3:43they can create change
3:45and create some impact when they
3:47actually present this kind of idea to
3:49everyone on the television
3:54contestants i'm going to walk down here
3:57how are you guys feeling the
3:58quarterfinals yeah
4:00we have true happiness uh of that
4:03so yeah happy okay so feminism is
4:06feminism popular in vietnam
4:08yes i can say okay is this topic
4:10interesting for you guys
4:11yes yes so interesting good when it's
4:14interesting you have a lot more to
4:16discuss
4:16and hopefully a bit more passionate
4:19about it as well
4:20yes so let me walk over to the other
4:22side gentlemen
4:23is this an interesting topic for you
4:24guys it is quite fascinating
4:27we have discussed quite a lot on this in
4:29this tournament
4:31before the tournament and very possibly
4:33after this as well
4:34yes because in western countries it's
4:37widely discussed for
4:38many reasons but for you guys today i'm
4:40very curious to hear what you have to
4:42say
4:42so thank you and now we can't have a
4:46debate without our lovely
4:48[Music]
4:54judges
4:58so without further ado let's get started
5:00with the first debate
5:02so from the proposition team team choco
5:05chips please welcome no fan gwen jay
5:12to my left the opposition team team th x
5:15please welcome nolae
5:20all right i'm excited i'm really really
5:22excited but i'm going to start over here
5:23with the proposition team
5:26i was told in the casting round
5:29that they beat you in the casting round
5:31is that true yes
5:32in route two two in round two yes
5:35so how do you feel debating them in the
5:38quarterfinals
5:40um i feel a bit nervous but i think i
5:43can know it
5:44you can nail it ooh i like that i like
5:46that and over here
5:48since you guys already beat them in the
5:51casting round
5:52but now we're in the quarterfinals do
5:53you think you can beat them again
5:55i know if i perform to my best i can
5:58beat them again
5:59but there's a lot of outside factors in
6:02terms of the motion itself
6:04has changed quite a bit and we've had a
6:06lot of preparation since then so
6:09it could go either way okay so for the
6:11viewers at home this debate is more
6:13heated than you would actually
6:14think so the first round you guys are
6:16familiar but you have three minutes to
6:18deliver your speech
6:19poi is not open whatsoever proposition
6:23team you will be going first
6:24do you guys understand yes all right
6:28let the debate begin
6:34it's okay to stay weak because that's
6:36your choice the opposition here is
6:38tries to tell us that but we are here to
6:40say no we are here to regret the rise of
6:43choice feminism
6:44there are two burdens that the
6:46proposition is here to prove
6:48first the rise of choice feminism has
6:50created fundamental
6:51harms on women and the feminist movement
6:54second
6:54without the rise the world would have
6:56been better
6:58we believe that the choice of feminism
7:00in many cases
7:01are not their free will there are cause
7:03of choices and manipulations
7:05due to backgrounds social standards etc
7:08media and the best way to promote the
7:10right of women
7:12is the second weight feminism which is
7:14to promote women to seek for higher
7:17positions in the social letters
7:19comparing to the opposition
7:21they celebrate third world feminism
7:23which sends many ground messages
7:25that we are going to prove now moving on
7:28to our
7:29definitions so what is choice feminism
7:32it welcomes
7:33the individual choices of women such as
7:36taking part in sex work
7:37choosing how to choosing to be a
7:39housewife etc
7:41however we think that they thought it is
7:43the right to choose but in fact
7:45it is because they are influenced by
7:47many factors like social standards
7:49media which tell them to do so and what
7:52is the rise of choice feminism rise
7:55means
7:56there are more women adapting to it and
7:58is actively promoted
8:00the problem is when the adaptation of
8:02something it will lead to inappropriate
8:04consequences
8:05there are two main points why we regret
8:08fruit the rise of choice feminism
8:10is actually harmful second it attracted
8:13the feminist movement
8:15a claim one being the rise of choice
8:17feminism is not their freedom choice
8:19but they are forced to do so therefore
8:22even if
8:23their child resolves the problems they
8:25are still bad choices
8:26example sex work six it is about
8:29extremely poor working conditions and
8:31exploitation
8:32to women workers why some women did have
8:35a choice in pursuing this
8:37a lot of women are forced into doing so
8:40because of black alternatives and this
8:42choice of working
8:43reserves resolves their problem but it
8:46is still a bad choice and it
8:47is harmful to them with this choice
8:50famine
8:51rise of choice feminism does not fulfill
8:53the idea
8:54of empowerment through freedom of choice
8:57another example
8:58could be of course of choice could be
9:00the idea of makeup
9:02the rise of choice feminism tells us
9:04that women should wear makeup because
9:06it's empowering however they are unable
9:09to recognize
9:10that wearing makeup is a product of
9:13portugal
9:14society and it matches the beauty
9:16standards
9:17this leads to shaming women who don't
9:19shave their body hair who
9:21don't have aquamarks simply don't
9:24or who don't simply don't like the ideal
9:27standards
9:29for the impact the rise of poisoning
9:31brought harm
9:32to the sex shoulder therefore more than
9:35proud to propose
9:37[Music]
9:40it is simply outrageous and
9:42self-destructive for a movement that
9:43stands for women's liberation
9:45to restrict their choice of what to do
9:47we do not regret the rise
9:49of choice feminism first of all some
9:51rebuttals for the proposition inside
9:54we have not received any sort of
9:55mechanism any sort of alternative
9:57that you have to our rise of choice
9:59feminism while on our side of the debate
10:01we are still maintaining traditional
10:03feminism how women can still
10:05just stand out from the patriarchal
10:08society without taking harm
10:09onto themselves we are trying to solve
10:11another problem that lies
10:13strictly to third world countries while
10:15you're doing nothing for them
10:17even on your side you've brought up the
10:19point that
10:20the choice are not being made by
10:22themselves they're being coerced into
10:23making that choice well on your side
10:25because you've not
10:26produced any sort of mechanism you're
10:27not creating agency for women either
10:29you're not changing the social situation
10:31they still remain the same you brought
10:33up examples like wearing makeup
10:35or women being involved in prostitution
10:38well these women in their own society
10:40they're already threatened they're
10:42already intimidated into that job
10:44if you try to push another layer of
10:46blame onto them
10:48by by opposition feminists themselves by
10:50traditional feminists who think that
10:51this is what they're doing
10:53it's bad you're creating another layer
10:55of intimidation onto them and this will
10:56hurt them more
10:57instead of helping them in any way
10:59therefore we do not think that their
11:01argument
11:01is legitimate in this debate in addition
11:04we do not think that they
11:05we they have already established choice
11:07feminism and we agree with it however we
11:09also have to establish
11:10and characterize the rise of choice
11:12feminism it affects most significantly
11:15because feminism is only trying to
11:17pervade into third world countries into
11:19developing societies
11:20and therefore the effect of the effect
11:22of this rise
11:23is most significant in conservative
11:25societies and they're most
11:27touched by this movement we think that
11:28we have two stakeholders in this debate
11:31first of all women in these societies
11:33especially in the third world who are
11:34having the least right
11:36and who are being the most oppressed in
11:38these societies in addition we also want
11:39to protect
11:40the feminist movement therefore we'll
11:42bring you two arguments
11:43why on our side we have justification
11:45for this right that you do
11:46not and on our side we can protect the
11:49wrong protect women
11:50and the feminist movement and you do not
11:52either first of all
11:54on our first argument we need to take
11:56into account three groups of women
11:58who are being affected first of all
12:00women who are already strong women who
12:01are already liberated and living in
12:03progressive societies
12:04they can choose to do whatever they want
12:06and of course they will choose to adhere
12:08to traditional feminism so they are out
12:10of the question however we need also to
12:12take
12:13into account women who choose to do that
12:15way in these progressive and to be
12:17adherent to the patriarchal society
12:18by their own willing and women in
12:20certain world societies who have no
12:22choice but
12:22they have to do what the men tell them
12:24to do you're disrespecting the choice of
12:26women
12:28in women in progressive societies with
12:29their choice and you're excluding and
12:31you're trying to create conflict
12:33against women is that what society
12:34you're not defending them at all you're
12:36telling them that they do not belong in
12:37the movement because they believe in
12:38something that you think is wrong
12:40and therefore you're creating a rift in
12:42the feminist movement that cannot be
12:44accepted i'm very proud to oppose
12:48you guys thank you that was a great
12:50first debate for the quarterfinals so
12:52first off
12:52thank you for that i will ask you
12:55questions
12:56after i hear from the judges though
12:58judges
12:59the first debate of the quarterfinals
13:02um i feel a little bit pity when the
13:05case of the prop
13:06sign today was not very neat no it was
13:08not very clean i think that you
13:10spent quite some time in there which
13:12resulted in your argument was a little
13:14bit
13:15simple it was not very deeply analyzed
13:17but i got the main idea from it
13:19and i think it's definitely a very very
13:22good ideas i think your team has very
13:24good
13:24material to work on now for the upside i
13:27think the upside today came up with very
13:28very strong rebuttals
13:30and i like the way that you try to rebut
13:32it you try to show me
13:34how it is actually you can put you only
13:36putting another layer of oppression onto
13:38the women i think that's a very very
13:40spot-on rebuttal
13:41uh aside from that i felt like the
13:44opposition side should also give me some
13:45context and characterization in order to
13:47make
13:48your arguments later on become clearer
13:50and i see that missing from
13:52the opposition sign today um i like the
13:54strategy when you brought up
13:56you know like question for the
13:58alternative of the proposition side
14:00which i
14:00believe the proposition so i should
14:03prepare to answer
14:04in the next turn ultimately i would give
14:06my points to the team that i think
14:08have done pretty much uh more
14:11contribution
14:12the material was more spot-on in this
14:14particular case
14:15providing the argument were actually
14:17quite you know similar to each other one
14:19team has case setup one team has good
14:21strategy
14:22i would go for the uh rebuttals that the
14:24opposition side gave to me so my 10
14:26points go for
14:27up thank you stuart
14:31i'll start with the proposition side um
14:33i i really like the fact that you know
14:35quite early on in your speech you
14:36outlined the burden of proof that these
14:38guys have to to um
14:39take on um and so for me that kind of
14:42sets up the debate in a really
14:43strong clear way and i'm glad that you
14:44did that because it kind of gives us a
14:46bit of a clear direction
14:47and also pushes uh some pressure onto
14:50the other side
14:51i agree with owen i thought the ideas
14:53some of the main components of the ideas
14:55were strong
14:56um what i'm really looking forward to in
14:58kind of the next
15:00few rounds with your teammates is them
15:02just pushing
15:03those ideas and developing them and
15:05seeing where they go
15:06and talking about the impact of those
15:08ideas so that's what i'm looking forward
15:10to
15:10the opposition side yes uh again um
15:14similar to wayne's comment your rebuttal
15:15was good um but
15:17one aspect that i'm interested in is
15:19this notion of the third world
15:20country that you include in your speech
15:22that's definitely something that i want
15:23to see
15:24develop at the moment i'm not 100 sure
15:27uh where it lies in your argument so i
15:29want to see that the clarity of that
15:31develop
15:31and i do really like the fact that you
15:33you mentioned that the other team didn't
15:35really have a mechanism
15:36and therefore there's no agency for for
15:38women to actually um you know take
15:40control of their lives in in a sense
15:41that's that's what they're kind of
15:43mentioning finally what i think is
15:44really good is that you very clearly
15:46outlines the stakeholders
15:48involved with this and so you know as
15:50your first round to mention the
15:52stakeholders
15:52is incredibly important um for me
15:56uh given both sides and in terms of
16:00how clearly i see the arguments and
16:02where which side i think the arguments
16:04will develop
16:05most uh strongly from i'm gonna have to
16:07give it to the opposition side as well
16:09thank you stuart and hill uh thank you
16:12guys for opening this quarter final
16:14round
16:14i actually enjoy and i think so far of
16:17this season this is the best
16:18first round i have witnessed so we we're
16:21done on both of you guys
16:22now i think um i do share similar
16:25comments and feedback with the two uh
16:27judges that um with the uh proposition
16:30team
16:31is a very yes is the the ideas are still
16:34on the basic level and fundamental but
16:35at least it's a
16:36it's a clear structure and easy to
16:38follow and you have examples to back it
16:40up as well so i think um
16:42and you spend quite a good time to lay
16:44out the context
16:45in terms of how you define um the the
16:48context of the society nowadays what
16:50leads to the rise of the choice of
16:51feminism
16:52then i think um that is the good thing i
16:54have to give to you but i agree with my
16:56judges that
16:56the ideas are still on a very basic
16:59level and
16:59need further enrichment um and it lacks
17:02the
17:03the complexity i think that is something
17:05that the second debater and the third
17:07debater need to look into
17:08look at that in different lengths and
17:10more complex lengths as well
17:11um but i do like the fact that you
17:13highlight a point where
17:15you see what are the reasons that lead
17:17to the rise
17:18of choice mechanism i think the debate
17:20here should also focus
17:21on with the opposition team i do agree
17:24with the judge that you have a very
17:25strong rebuttal
17:26in terms of like say the other team they
17:28don't have a alternative mechanism as
17:29well as
17:30used to maintain the traditional uh
17:32feminism and a layer
17:34but i think you spend too much time on
17:36the on the rebuttals and when you go to
17:38your argument
17:38there's only like 45 seconds left and
17:40that's why you can only
17:41name out the three stakeholders um three
17:44different groups of women
17:45in different societies and then you kind
17:47of like did not have enough time to
17:49really push
17:50and see like uh what are the the
17:52reasoning for each of these groups and
17:54how
17:54uh your case uh will turn out for each
17:57of these groups right so i think the
17:58second debater and 30 beta need to pick
18:00up on that
18:01and and in which further i think um the
18:04reason why i get my 10 point to one team
18:06is because
18:06i want to really want to see you guys
18:08really dig into the world the rise
18:10not just choice feminism i think one
18:14team has given me more
18:15of that um underlying reason why we have
18:18to look at the rights here instead
18:20so that's why my ten boy go to the
18:21proposition team okay
18:24judges thank you gee i'm gonna start
18:27with you
18:28you know personally for being the
18:30proposition on this side
18:31i feel like it's slightly harder for you
18:34guys you're
18:35disadvantaged but you got 10 points
18:38yeah i think you're relieved a bit
18:42relief but still
18:44because right now it's a 20-point
18:45difference you know the first round
18:47already
18:48things can definitely change but you did
18:50get 10 points which is significant
18:52thank you so mint i think you're quite
18:54happy i saw some of
18:56the fist pumps and yes yes yes secretly
18:58you're doing that
19:00you're happy relieved relieved yeah you
19:03got 20 points yeah
19:04so you're winning right now quite
19:06honestly i'm not really confident
19:08doing this motion so yeah getting a lead
19:11in the first round it's
19:12rather important in a match of this
19:14stature that is especially for the
19:16mindset as well
19:17it helps you guys because you're
19:18familiar with how the debates go and you
19:20already know that you can still lose
19:22so min jay thank you so much so please
19:24go back to your seats thank you guys
19:27currently choco chips they have 10
19:30points to my left team th x they have
19:3320 points we just finished the first
19:35round and both teams know that things
19:38can change
19:38entirely with the second third and final
19:41reply speech
19:42we'll begin the second debate right
19:44after the break
19:47[Music]
19:51with this choice famine rise of choice
19:53feminism
19:54does not fulfill the idea of empowerment
19:57through freedom of choice
19:59if you try to push another layer of
20:01blame onto them you're creating another
20:03layer of intimidation onto them and this
20:05will hurt them
20:06more instead of helping them in any way
20:08i feel a little bit pity when the case
20:10of the prop sign today
20:12was not very neat it was not very clean
20:22so welcome back to debaters season 2
20:25currently the proposition team has 10
20:27points the opposition team has
20:2920 points we are going to begin the
20:31second
20:32debate from team choco chips please
20:36welcome
20:36wayne new jen from the opposition team
20:40team thx please welcome lane yeah
20:45okay second round you guys have lots and
20:49lots of notes
20:50novels that you're writing like the
20:51judges you are going against the british
20:54accent
20:54are you feeling confident with the
20:55british accent
20:58um i think that
21:01the accents of this evaluator
21:04is really important but it also depends
21:07on the other
21:09other factors like contents and she does
21:12have the british accent also men with
21:13the british accent
21:14but it's just a fun way with the
21:16debaters but it doesn't mean anything
21:19but let me come over here so yes
21:22you're down by 10 points oh it's okay
21:25maybe again or all 30 points
21:29yes maybe you can do that i could
21:32oh you could we will see though we will
21:35see
21:36so you guys are already familiar with
21:38the second round you have four minutes
21:40to deliver your speech
21:41poi is entirely open
21:44proposition team you will be going first
21:46opposition team you will be going second
21:48you guys understand yes perfect
21:52let the debate begin
21:53[Music]
21:57first let me remind you guys what the
21:59alternative
22:00we bring here today we encourage women
22:03to perceive the ultimate goal in their
22:05life
22:05and orient them to go for higher
22:07position
22:08in the society so let me go to
22:11some rebuttal for the opposition side
22:15you say that we are here just to create
22:17conflict to the society
22:19but however the conflict already existed
22:23in the world and what you do is let them
22:26live in the society
22:27what where they cannot stand up for what
22:30they believe to be right
22:31but you do not lead them to pursue for
22:35like
22:35higher position in the society and if
22:38the women
22:38in the world of opposition they just do
22:41what they can
22:42which is not that much and they will
22:45like do
22:45like what men told them then the society
22:48will look down on them
22:49and the prejudice would come because
22:52they
22:52hey is the third wall the prejudice it's
22:55strong
22:56so let's come to our argument why the
22:58rights of choice feminism backtrack the
23:01feminist movement
23:03let's come to some important
23:05characterization hey
23:06rights and women enjoy right now it's a
23:09pretty
23:10uh easy product if the collective
23:12efforts of the feminist movement
23:14reproductive rights employment rights
23:16among others
23:17i product of the waves of feminism
23:20fought for the thousands of women
23:22who march and rally on the streets hence
23:24the life of women
23:25is always tied to the movement whether
23:28or not she like it
23:30so what the rights of choice feminism
23:32done
23:33in society just to distant women from
23:36the collective
23:37because of the narrative that whatever
23:39they're doing is their choice
23:41so the rights of child feminism changed
23:43the way we view feminism
23:45from a collective standpoint towards an
23:48individualistic approach
23:50uh one because everything is about
23:52freedom of choice and
23:53individual improv empowerment more and
23:56more women
23:57become like self-interested and unable
24:00to consider the general views
24:02of families movement two when freedom of
24:05choice is the dominant discourse
24:07it weakens the movement because instead
24:09of cohering as one
24:11women excuse himself by saying i remind
24:13me own choice
24:14so instead of getting more numbers in
24:17rallies
24:18or invoking policies the rights of
24:20choice feminism has made it harder
24:22to make women college together no thanks
24:25three their choices in the state school
24:28that made it significantly
24:29harder to advance women's rights when
24:32more and more women
24:33choose to be housewife assess the
24:35discourse on
24:37dismantling the narrative that women
24:39shouldn't be
24:41content at home to step backwards so
24:44what are the impacts hey first there are
24:47lots of women who care about the cause
24:50for the collective two when they are
24:53last swimming
24:54we are unable to vote progressive
24:56politicians
24:57we are weak in number and three
25:00we are unable to sway more moderates
25:02because
25:03they are they see that some women are
25:05not affected
25:06so they think that there's nothing wrong
25:09so
25:10uh the rise of choice feminism just
25:13weakened the foundation of feminist
25:15movement compared to the world that the
25:17proposition side brings here today
25:19first we can ensure that the whole
25:22movement
25:23fights against the social standard in
25:25patriarchal countries
25:27and two we care and we consider
25:30whether the choice of the women is right
25:32or not and we orient them to choose the
25:35right thing
25:35which is higher position in the society
25:38and by that they can first
25:40overcome their background or even they
25:42cannot at least they try
25:44they climb on the social ladder and by
25:46that they change
25:47how the society look down on them how
25:50the society
25:50see them and that's how we protect the
25:52women here proud to propose
25:58we believe that the true happiness only
26:01happens
26:01when women got their freedom of choice
26:04respected
26:05first some rebuttal you claim that the
26:07number of
26:08women that have the same ideas are less
26:10in our world
26:11therefore your solution is to force them
26:14to work together
26:16in order to achieve something that they
26:18don't really want
26:19but that's not the logical why first of
26:22all
26:23we believe that in our world we give the
26:25woman
26:26more choice by giving them the choice
26:29feminism
26:30because we give them something that they
26:32can consider they can take things
26:34into evaluation while in the world what
26:37is the
26:38uh what is the proposition world is the
26:40world where
26:41women only have one choice and they
26:43didn't even get to evaluate
26:46all the contents that they have so if we
26:49force them to follow by one chain
26:50it is going against even against the
26:54uh the initial purpose of the feminism
26:57which to give them uh leave a sense of
27:00liberals
27:01even in their thinking therefore we
27:03believe that's worthless
27:05secondly talking about the patriarchy
27:08uh problem that the proposition gave up
27:11okay so we accept it so
27:12even when our choice uh feminism
27:16reinforce the patriarchy we we still
27:18think it is worth it
27:20why because when when women support the
27:23idea
27:24in the choice feminism they are also
27:26understanding the
27:27uh the meaning of the of other
27:32feminist movement which enhance them
27:34that
27:35they can also understand and
27:38know the ideas of other feminist
27:40movement that they can support
27:42the other feminist movement that goes
27:44against patriarchy so we think it's
27:46worth it
27:47now coming to our second idea is that we
27:49believe that
27:50the uh our choice feminism in our world
27:53had a positive side
27:54on all three groups of women
27:58in our stakeholders why because let's
28:01first go into the
28:02uh contextualization and also a bit of
28:05characterization
28:06the women are living in a conservative
28:09background
28:10it is where they have conservative
28:11parents in a conservative society
28:14and they are also judged by conserve
28:16conservative
28:17women what is the case it is that when
28:20women do not follow the transaction
28:22like such as they want to stay at home
28:25and do the housework
28:26they are also being valued by the other
28:28woman other successful women in this
28:30society because
28:31they all only highly value the uh
28:35the outwork the position in the society
28:37but not the contribution of them to the
28:39family
28:39so we believe that uh in this world
28:42women are even
28:44being pressured by the
28:47being pressed by the world that the
28:49woman
28:50cannot express themselves and it will
28:52create more of the discrimination
28:54between the two groups of women why is
28:57this a problem
28:58it is when they have the discrimination
29:00we believe that they cannot
29:01or express themselves in order to make
29:04uh feminism as a whole a better
29:07so why in our world they are better
29:09because women
29:10in our in our world where they choose to
29:12do what they want
29:13they are they are supported by the
29:15choice feminism
29:16it means that it gives them more
29:18confidence more belief in themselves
29:20and it also gives the other google women
29:23who are successful who
29:24have high position in a society to have
29:26a more positive
29:28look and more understandable look on
29:30them in
29:31and in our world is where only the woman
29:33can
29:34have the same idea the core value of
29:36feminism is that
29:37when they do something even that
29:40it is not like each other we still
29:42towards a core value of
29:45uh feminism and make women more
29:48liberals that's why we think we won the
29:51debate
29:53all right second round that was good
29:56i'm very curious to hear what the judges
29:58have to say because jang over here
30:01lots of energy passionate about it here
30:04the rebuttals the remarks
30:05this is getting good i'm really really
30:08excited
30:09judges view now with the
30:12first team with the proposition team i
30:14think when you
30:16do your rebuttal for the opposition
30:17team's argument i don't think it's a
30:19very
30:20strong rebuttal and i think you kind of
30:22know it as well
30:23however when you go into your arguments
30:26i think
30:26now i see a jump from the first debater
30:29to the second debater
30:30your ids are getting so complicated and
30:33so complex
30:34with many nuances and that is what i
30:36like when i see the structure
30:38i think there's two things i really want
30:40your team to go and
30:41dig deep into the third round because i
30:43think that gonna be your strongest
30:45argument
30:46which is when you support the rise of
30:49choice feminism it will create
30:51a social narrative that narrative when
30:53it gets out of control
30:55can make the society go from a
30:56collective mindset into an
30:58individualistic mindset
30:59i think that is a very smart reasoning
31:02so try with the third debater
31:04trying to dig deep into that and see how
31:06the rise of choice feminism when get out
31:07of control
31:08can push society more from collective uh
31:11collectivism into individualism and what
31:13could be the potential
31:14blind spot there now go into the
31:17opposition
31:18team i do appreciate the effect that the
31:20the effort you trying to complement for
31:22the first debater by explaining on
31:24the the the situation and
31:26characterization of women in the third
31:27world
31:28uh country with a conservative
31:30background however
31:31i didn't see quite clearly the cut off
31:33from the first argument
31:35and they go to the second argument like
31:37the second argument of you is a little
31:39bit blurry right now
31:40so i think your third debater need to
31:42bring up to another level
31:43rather than just focus on like just
31:45women women and look at the lens in
31:47multiple perspectives then just focus on
31:48the women right
31:49so for that particular reason my 10
31:51point this round go to the proposition
31:52team
31:56stuart for the proposition side
31:59i thought your round was incredibly
32:02strong
32:02um i do like the way that you have
32:05really
32:06pushed uh this past just you know um
32:10a group of women in society and that is
32:11actually at the societal level
32:13and also including notions of you know
32:15how does this affect the politicians
32:17and what ramifications uh does this have
32:19as well so i think
32:20pushing that um and really putting it
32:23beyond kind of the immediate
32:24group of people that we may be looking
32:26at is is a good route
32:28uh for you guys um for the
32:31opposition side i think your rebuttals
32:34uh were strong
32:35um again for me uh like you i want to
32:38see kind of the broader impacts now i
32:40want to start see at a greater level how
32:41is this actually impacting
32:43not just this group of people but a
32:44large group of people for me
32:46therefore i in terms of the direction of
32:49the arguments and where i think
32:52it can go my ten points will go to the
32:54proposition side for this round
32:57all right i think the debate was nice
33:02uh both of you guys show very very nice
33:04skill set
33:05but in terms of the content i think that
33:08it lacks up some analogy
33:10like some of something to you know to
33:12help illustrate for what you are saying
33:13in here
33:14so i would love to hear some examples of
33:16analogies like that in the next turns
33:18um regarding the rebuttals today i think
33:20that jang
33:21improved a lot like she tried to explain
33:24a lot of problem
33:25that was happening in the previous round
33:28and i think that some of your
33:30rebuttals actually work um especially
33:32when you talk about how
33:34the oppositions are actually going to
33:35just creating more conflict
33:37and your side is actually going to you
33:39know like reduce the counseling
33:40everything like that i think it's a very
33:42nice idea
33:43um but in terms of explaining the
33:45argument i think even though the impact
33:47was
33:47very very nicely done the reasoning that
33:50you step
33:51up you're preparing for that impact was
33:53actually not as
33:54it's a little bit shaky for me but i
33:56will not say immediately like where or
33:59or how because it would be unfair for
34:01your team as well
34:02now for hui i think that your speech
34:05today is nice uh i love the rebuttal
34:07especially when you talk about you know
34:09like how
34:10um you're going to you know like eva
34:12like evaluate the women is not going to
34:14be you know like
34:15having the chance to evaluate on
34:17different you know areas but only
34:19you know they have to everybody have to
34:22achieve for one single goal i think that
34:24part is golden
34:25but you start from there i didn't see a
34:27little bit push in there
34:28to make that into one very strong
34:30extension because if i were you i would
34:32do
34:32much more than that um comparing the
34:35argument i must say that the argument
34:37of the peroxide is slightly stronger in
34:40terms of the impact
34:41but for the upside i think the reasoning
34:44that you put
34:44in there was persuasive for me so it was
34:47actually a
34:48har a tough call on a very very small
34:51margin
34:52my points would go to the team that is
34:54right now
34:55raising a question that i think have not
34:58been answered
34:59by the other team which is the question
35:01of why
35:02we have to do this particular thing and
35:05i think this is the opposition side i'm
35:07still giving my 10 points to them
35:09all right this is getting interesting
35:12now
35:12it is 30 30. we are tied i like to see
35:17this
35:17this is uh action-packed debate right
35:19now
35:21yes you didn't get all 30 points but you
35:24were able to tie the debate how are you
35:26feeling
35:27i i really want 30 points
35:30so maybe i'll just like try harder in
35:33the red light speech
35:34david well i hope you do try harder
35:36because we want you guys to do the best
35:37you possibly can
35:38but it's time so you're not losing all
35:40right
35:43yes you got 10 points
35:46now you guys are tied what are your
35:48thoughts
35:49i believe in my teammate i think he can
35:51get the points and
35:52contestants thank you so much please
35:55return back to your seats thank you
35:57currently right now the teams are tied
36:00with 30 points for coco chips and 30
36:02points for th
36:04x this is getting interesting we have
36:07the third round
36:08right after the break
36:16so what the rights of choice feminism
36:19done
36:20in society just to distant women from
36:22the collective
36:23because of the narrative that whatever
36:25they're doing is their choice
36:27if we force them to follow by one chain
36:30it is going against
36:31even against the uh the initial purpose
36:35of the feminism
36:36i want to start see at a greater level
36:38how is this actually impacting
36:40not just this group of people but a
36:41large group of people
36:54[Music]
36:59welcome back to the third round of the
37:01debaters
37:02currently we are tied with 30 and
37:0530. this round is extremely important
37:08before we go to the final reply speech
37:10without further ado let me please
37:12welcome the contestants
37:14to my right from the proposition team
37:16team choco chips please welcome
37:18lei and to my left from the
37:22opposition team team th x please welcome
37:24that minkoy
37:27okay you guys it's tied are you feeling
37:30nervous right now
37:32are you feeling nervous yes of course
37:34because in front of me is the brilliant
37:36debater
37:37yeah i learned that last debate he's a
37:39very accomplished debater but
37:41how i saw your performance last time i
37:43think you're also extremely
37:44excellent so it's going to be a good
37:47match so don't be
37:48don't be that nervous okay it's gonna be
37:51okay it's gonna be okay
37:53koi yeah are you as nervous as khan
37:56um i'm all right because we used to be
37:59excellent mate so i
38:01know him in and out really yes why
38:04didn't you tell me this
38:05oh you don't ask you could i please
38:08share more information with me i didn't
38:09know you guys are ex-teammates
38:11uh yeah so this is a good history then
38:12between you two yeah
38:14i'm really really excited because this
38:17debate
38:17so far has been probably one of the
38:19better debates on the debate
38:21show so you guys the third round you
38:24have four minutes to deliver your speech
38:26poi is entirely open do you guys
38:29understand
38:30yep awesome khan from the proposition
38:33team you are going
38:34first okay all right let the debate
38:38begin
38:39[Music]
38:43in the safe zone feed your baby with
38:45milk doesn't bring
38:46true happiness true happiness only comes
38:48from when we fight for the
38:50underprivileged women in this society
38:53and when we can keep
38:54when we can protect the righteous free
38:56will of the woman
38:57in society is the week it's gonna be the
39:00winner today so before i come to the
39:02main clashes in this debate i will
39:03answer two burdens that the opposition
39:05side have gave to the proposition
39:07first of all they say that by the second
39:09wave in the proposition
39:10we will bring the oppression towards the
39:12underprivileged women in society
39:14i would answer is wrong why because
39:17first of all the
39:18in the society has has already uh
39:21existed nothing that they women they
39:23cannot
39:23be better into suicide because while
39:26they cannot be better as men they don't
39:28have the
39:28enough ability to follow the mentality
39:31to follow their own passion
39:32in the conservation conservative country
39:35therefore they only stay at home and
39:36become a
39:38household and house worker they all need
39:39a simple job as anyone can do so second
39:42of all they give me a burden that
39:44in our society they will have a more
39:46understandable look why is answering so
39:48only for the high class women which is
39:51not an essential
39:52material in this debate because why
39:54because only they they can perceive the
39:56higher
39:56position in conservative conservative
39:58country and this question
40:00is only the answer because in the
40:02underprivileged woman in society
40:04and that's why that's these main
40:07stakeholders
40:07we need to be considered in this debate
40:10so let me come i will be
40:11moving into the main question uh first
40:13of all which side has the righteous free
40:16will
40:16of the underprivileged women second
40:19whether the choice feminism is
40:20beneficial for women and
40:22third of all is the benefits of feminism
40:24so i will answer the first
40:26uh the first question which is uh which
40:28i have the righteous free will of under
40:31privileged feminism first of all why the
40:33choice to engage no
40:35why the choice to engage in sexual is
40:37valid it becomes problematic when the
40:39overwhelming
40:40uh discourse states that sex work is
40:43a valid choice why some women they did
40:45have a choice in pursuing
40:47say what a lot of women are forced into
40:49the sex industry because of the lack of
40:52alternatives they are poor unable to go
40:54to school
40:55and pressure themselves to uh and they
40:57have to pressure themselves to earn
40:59money
40:59therefore sex work is their own only
41:02choice
41:02with this choice feminism doesn't
41:04fulfill the idea of
41:06empowering through the freedom of choice
41:08what this simply
41:09means because there are a hundred women
41:12who say this is my choice
41:13i'm empowered by this choice we are
41:15unable to hear
41:17that the the cause of maybe uh one or
41:20two women
41:21who might be saying that they uh they
41:23didn't have a choice
41:24they were forced in doing so so right
41:26from the beginning this is not their
41:27choice
41:28because they only follow the standard in
41:30the society which means they don't come
41:32up and
41:32and uh and give them enough
41:35encouragement
41:36to follow the writer's choice you just
41:37give them the you really make one
41:39second of all another single would be
41:41the idea of cosmic luxury then make up
41:43the rise of choice in feminism tell us
41:45that women should use makeup because
41:48they believe into
41:49it into will be in power however women
41:52are unable to recognize that using
41:54makeup is the product of
41:56the patriarchal society that
41:57continuously must the idea be
41:59abused standard this has lead to the
42:01things like shaming or who
42:03which uh women they don't have an
42:05ability to follow that kind of standard
42:07they will be
42:08pressurized and oppressed in this
42:10society and only when you answer the
42:12problem
42:13where you went after that you somehow
42:15when women they follow this kind of
42:17standard it will change prejudice in
42:19society unless
42:21you can answer that question you have to
42:22follow the opposition side so probably
42:24have to take display in this
42:25argumentation
42:26second order whether the choice of
42:28feminism is beneficial for women right
42:31we understand that from rapid beginnings
42:33these debate this
42:34the choices of women are not be
42:36considered to be important because they
42:37have to follow following
42:39in conservative country and the third
42:41world and to answer this question
42:42because you
42:43already took taking the place happy to
42:45propose
42:46[Music]
42:50judges let's take a step back at this
42:52debate and look at it strategically
42:53first question even if the choices made
42:56within choice feminism
42:57is coercion as side proposition race so
43:00what
43:01site opposition brought to you a case
43:02that brought you the idea that the
43:04ideological purity of the feminist
43:06movement as it is
43:08is bad right so are you going to tell
43:10these women who have been
43:11forced into prostitution forced into
43:13pornography that
43:15their choice is not valid that the the
43:17fact that the woman within the feminist
43:19movement is not going to value what
43:20they're going to
43:21do and simply put on another layer of
43:23oppression on them
43:24secondly there is a clear contradiction
43:26within the case of say proposition
43:28because the reason why we said this
43:29isn't really coercion because if
43:31it is true that women are forced on
43:33their side of the house then why is it
43:35the case that they are advocating for
43:36the fact that they need to do
43:37more than what they can right because if
43:39they were forced into things such as
43:41prostitution then they surely would have
43:43wanted to do more things to be a ceo if
43:45they had wanted to
43:46in these cases we believe that this is a
43:48severe negligence
43:50on the ability and on the circumstances
43:52of these poor women
43:53first of all they have an incredibly
43:55eurocentric view and approach to this
43:56debate
43:57individualism right because
43:58individualism is a reason
44:00why in the western countries as it is
44:02feminism no longer
44:03exists the fact that feminism
44:05traditionally already currently exists
44:07alongside the choice feminism as it is
44:09means that individualism isn't
44:11a factor that is killing feminism in
44:13western developed countries
44:15it is the kind of fanatical ideological
44:18fanaticism that uh the feminism movement
44:21is currently pushing in these sort of
44:22countries
44:23is the reason why conservative forces
44:24suggest president donald trump could
44:26push the idea that feminism is so
44:28radical and should not be worked with
44:30not the individualism in of itself
44:32so stepping into the rebuttals of their
44:34case
44:35from the first speech they raised the
44:36idea of how um
44:38trying to advocate for works and choices
44:40that are bad choices like sex
44:41work is smart right but even if you are
44:44not pushing
44:44uh say uh choice feminism right what are
44:47you going to tell
44:47these sort of women who are backed into
44:49a corner what are they going to be doing
44:51right because even if you're supporting
44:53second wave feminism you're not going to
44:54get these uh
44:55um get these women any more income
44:57they're not going to
44:58remove these women from the bottom of
45:00the society if uh if
45:02from from their current position they
45:04don't want to be a prostitute but they
45:05do not have the ability to rise above
45:07the station right and this is exactly
45:08the reason why second wave
45:10feminism isn't the current status of
45:12feminism right because women
45:13adopt the new more fanatical feminism in
45:17response to the kind of negligence the
45:19side proposition demonstrates right
45:21because the kind of choice feminism we
45:23provided
45:23provides this course within the feminine
45:25feminism
45:26movement it provides the feminism
45:28movement with more of a
45:30perspective to consider the position of
45:33these sort of women and to improve
45:34themselves secondly there is a point of
45:36say
45:36shaming women who don't make up because
45:38we conform to picture
45:39because society but this is against the
45:41very notion of what we're standing for
45:42right because we're talking about
45:43choice feminism these women respect each
45:45other's choice and say that every single
45:47choice of theirs is a feminist we do not
45:49believe that
45:49they will shame other women when they
45:51choose not to make up this is simply
45:53just strawmen in our case first of all
45:55they reached the point of how there will
45:57be less women caring about politics
45:58individualist mindset without coherence
46:00within the feminist society but this is
46:02something mentally not true
46:04because even within the uh the feminist
46:07movement
46:07right even if they are very much a
46:09choice feminist for example they're
46:10still approach
46:11my choice right they're still pro the
46:13kind of things that like uh we respect
46:15the kind of choice that other women
46:16make which means that even if they are
46:18activists we believe that they will
46:19still participate in the feminist
46:21movement in some ways because they still
46:22kind of respect the choice that other
46:24women make which means that from the
46:26first start they're already an ally of
46:28the feminist movement which already
46:29helps compared to the status quo where
46:31they simply
46:31are not engaged within the feminist
46:33movement as a whole because the feminist
46:34movement they cried them as beings
46:36activists as not helping the movement
46:38enough
46:38first of all we provide you with the
46:40kind of moderate moderacy that will help
46:42moderates to enter
46:43the movement because this way we accept
46:45the women and know that their views
46:47regardless of what instead of the kind
46:49of financial system
46:50that not only provide provide or import
46:53munition for conservative men
46:54and conservative politicians but also
46:56the listed franchises
46:58the kind of women who were already
46:59traditional in their own mindset so
47:01proud to oppose
47:05this is heating up i have some questions
47:07for you though afterwards as well
47:09i want to ask the judges first i'm
47:10extremely curious to hear what they have
47:12to say
47:13and then i will be going to you guys in
47:15a second judges
47:17hugh let's start with you you've been
47:20very impressed so far
47:22so this is the third round this is the
47:24really really good match
47:26and i still don't know which 10 point
47:28which team the 10 point goes to
47:30so now with the proposition team i want
47:32to focus more on the
47:33the the clash resolution rather than the
47:36rebounders because i think the rebuttal
47:37is a little bit lacking for me now the
47:40reason why i focus on the clash is
47:42because you
47:42actually do quite well on the first one
47:44when you focus on the free will
47:47of um of women in conservative society
47:50in third world countries
47:51i think you are very smart and focused
47:54on the world
47:55narratives because i think all of these
47:57choices eventually will lead to a
47:58narrative
47:59and the narrative can be used as a
48:01strong cause but it can still be
48:03abused or exploited for a worse
48:05direction
48:06right but you run out of time
48:09for the second idea which is when i go
48:11to the society level from collectivism
48:13to individualism
48:14that is where i want to see more because
48:16i think like that is such a strong
48:17argument of the second debater and if
48:19you push
48:20that battery it's going to be a great
48:22ending to
48:23uh already good uh debate right now the
48:26opposition team i
48:27appreciate the fact that you come in and
48:29with the first and the second debaters
48:31um you guys are still lacking in terms
48:33of like pushing the battery of the
48:34arguments towards society level
48:36and there's a lot of arguments of the
48:38previous team
48:39of the other team that you guys haven't
48:41addressed i think you spend time
48:43rebutting a lot of the the ideas um
48:46from free choice to coercion to even
48:49like collectivism switched to
48:50individualism
48:51so i appreciate that i think in this
48:54round
48:55i have to give it to a team that
48:58actually taking
48:59the third round into further and further
49:01extensions
49:02and that's why my ten point go to the
49:04opposition team in this round
49:05okay right thank you hill
49:10stuart yeah i think this is probably the
49:14best round
49:14i've seen so far in the debate is to be
49:16honest with you the whole show
49:18the whole show up today i think this has
49:20been my favorite round um
49:22for the the proposition sides um
49:26you came in and you developed those
49:28ideas from your previous rounds
49:29really really well um for me actually i
49:32know i mentioned at the start
49:33a lot of what i wanted the teams to
49:36focus on was their timing
49:37i think you actually managed to do that
49:38fantastically you managed to include
49:40your uh
49:41rebuttals but you also managed to kind
49:43of develop and uh strengthen your points
49:45and for me it didn't feel uh that rushed
49:48towards the ends
49:50um i know there's still a bit of room to
49:52to kind of utilize in your reply speech
49:54but i think actually your timing
49:56for your round was was fantastic for the
49:57opposition side
49:59for me the strength was really uh in
50:01your that the points that you uh
50:03developed and i think
50:04actually something that may not have
50:06been fully addressed um
50:08by the other side is that well why can't
50:10there be a coexistence of choice
50:12feminism
50:12and traditional feminism and and i think
50:16you guys pushed that idea quite well and
50:18also you know
50:20why should there be an added layer of
50:21burden from a feminist movement onto a
50:24new form of feminism whilst there's
50:26already
50:26this kind of layer of pressure from
50:28other external forces as well
50:30and so for me
50:34it's difficult um but i think in terms
50:37of the strength
50:39of the points themselves uh i would go
50:42for
50:42minhoy with the opposition side okay
50:47all right
50:50i think that it is clear that code did
50:53an amazing job
50:55for the rebuttals part i must say that
50:57there is basically nothing else to add
50:59on like your
51:00rebuttals was so on point nice priority
51:04of the ideas and how you basically
51:06tackle
51:07every single thing even the smallest
51:09detail and i must say that
51:11if i were there i i must say that i
51:13might not be able to do as well as you
51:15but when i look back at the whole
51:19case in here there were some ideas i
51:21cannot fully credit for them
51:23because they look quite new to me
51:25especially about the unlying idea and
51:27how you
51:28lift everything up to individualism in
51:30the society level i know that those are
51:32great ideas and i know that there are
51:34some judges
51:35that can consider crediting for them but
51:38i cannot fully credit for everything you
51:40say
51:41so when i look back of the case of both
51:44team i see that there is still
51:45some light for the proposition side i
51:48think the opposition side have not
51:50put out completely uh for the props i i
51:53do believe you did a great job today
51:55because comparing between
51:57the case i think that the case of the
51:59prop site is more probably you know like
52:01planned out
52:02it was easier easier to follow than the
52:04case of the upside
52:06i must say that in this turn i'm not
52:08going to judge based on
52:09individual performance i'm going to give
52:12one more chance
52:13for the proposition sign because
52:15honestly the upside has not win
52:18in this debate completely so i'm going
52:20to give my 10 points to the prop sign in
52:22this debate today
52:24all right this is a very
52:27interesting turn of events but i want to
52:30start with you
52:31okay please correct me if i'm wrong but
52:34when you started your speech you made a
52:36little joke about their team name is
52:37that correct
52:38a little bit that was a joke right i
52:40just uh it's just a good joke because
52:42they are my friend they're all my
52:43friends no
52:44i thought it was awesome i'm sitting
52:46back there laughing oh thank you because
52:48i'm looking at his face and i'm like koi
52:49it's like
52:52and i'm like okay that was great so high
52:54five to that that was awesome that's
52:56true happiness
52:56yes literally i love
53:00that i absolutely love that so i'm gonna
53:01walk over to here koi
53:03so is this relationship of yours gonna
53:06change because he was making fun of your
53:08team name early on in a speech
53:10um i think it was fine because our
53:11second speaker we also kind of made
53:13light of
53:14our name when he said kind of like to
53:15have true happiness women need to have
53:17their own choice so okay yeah
53:19i think it was like a back and forth on
53:20that name yeah because when you said
53:21that like your face
53:23i just it was priceless i hope they
53:24caught that on camera because uh
53:26it was just it was so good thank you so
53:29much please go back to your seats thank
53:31you
53:31so currently right now we just finished
53:33the third debate
53:34team choco chips has 40 points
53:38team th x has 50 points
53:42there's still 15 more points to give
53:44from the judges in the final reply
53:46speech
53:46however we'll get back to you right
53:48after the break
53:51[Music]
53:54woman women are unable to recognize that
53:57using makeup is the product of
53:59the patriarchal society that
54:00continuously must the idea be
54:03abused this standard but even if you are
54:05not pushing uh say
54:06uh choice feminism right what are you
54:08going to tell these sort of women who
54:10are backed into a corner what are they
54:11going to
54:12be doing right so now with the
54:13proposition team i want to focus more on
54:15the
54:17the clash resolution rather than the
54:22rebounders
54:26[Music]
54:27welcome back to the debater season
54:29streak this is the quarter finals and
54:31the final reply
54:33speech there is a 10 point difference
54:36left and the judges have 15 more points
54:38to give
54:39and this final reply speech is quite
54:41interesting because one
54:42it's the quarterfinals and two it's also
54:45a battle of the british
54:46accents yes let me please welcome the
54:49contestants to the final reply speech
54:52from the proposition team please welcome
54:55wang chang
54:58okay from the opposition team please
55:01welcome roland
55:06all right yes you are down 10 points
55:10how are you feeling yeah i can feel a
55:12lot of pressure in my shoulder right now
55:14but yeah because all the judges need to
55:17win
55:18so all the judges right here need to
55:20give you the five points in order for
55:21your team to win
55:22yes it's so hard especially
55:26in front of me who i consider to be
55:29really really smart
55:30yes i actually would consider all of you
55:32to be very very
55:34smart contestants so min
55:38i think in the first round you won 20
55:40points correct
55:41do you think you can win just one judge
55:44that's all you need you just need
55:45one judge how about three
55:50zhang oi did you hear that yes the
55:53confidence is
55:54radiating so you're going to try to win
55:55all three judges
55:57of course i love this this is getting
56:00good
56:01jang is your confidence kind of going
56:03down a little bit at the moment
56:04no actually i believe in my voice
56:08and my accent ooh okay speaking of
56:10accent
56:11all right min yes
56:15final reply speech you have two minutes
56:18to deliver your speech
56:19and poi is not open do you guys
56:23understand
56:24proposition team you are going second to
56:27opposition team
56:28min you are going first are you guys
56:30ready
56:31yes awesome i am very excited
56:34let the debate begin
56:38[Music]
56:41but if all women were as strong as the
56:43pop as the proposition assumes them to
56:45be
56:45what then is the point of campaigning
56:48for women's rights in your case
56:50you have provided that lead us with no
56:52sort of mechanism no sort of system
56:54therefore your impact on your case
56:57arguments are also applicable to your
56:59own side so therefore we think that
57:01in terms of their own case throughout
57:03this debate we've seen nothing that
57:04separates them from our own world
57:07we've only seen them criticizing the
57:09rise of choice feminism why was damaging
57:11to women themselves and
57:12damaging to the movement however we do
57:14not see how that stands out from our
57:16world
57:16where we also maintain your own
57:18traditional feminism
57:20however when we take into account choice
57:22feminism as well we're also benefiting
57:24women from developing countries the
57:25people who you seem to be forgetting so
57:28much
57:28throughout this debate and your
57:30worldview is sort of
57:32like a very eurocentric view where you
57:34do not take into account you assume that
57:35every woman
57:36is as strong as you can think them to be
57:38you can think of them to be
57:40when they try to do what conservative
57:42people think is obscene
57:44it stands against them after we already
57:46demonstrated
57:47with our third and second speaker it
57:48creates a sort of animosity against the
57:51movement
57:51we are you're only trying to tell us
57:54that you are damaging it further because
57:56you're trying to make sure that these
57:57people
57:58are being pushed as far as possible
58:00pushed as radically
58:01as possible your case well in comparison
58:04to our case when we present
58:06with a conservative people the view that
58:08when a
58:09husband moves into a marriage and when
58:11their
58:12wife chooses to be housewife instead of
58:14him forcing it
58:15on that woman isn't that enough of a
58:17woman's liberation isn't that enough of
58:19a push
58:20towards gradually achieving the woman's
58:22liberation
58:23instead of when on your side you're
58:25creating no sort of benefit
58:27you're creating no sort of distinction
58:28and that's why on our side we were the
58:30victor today
58:36so let me compare what we've done today
58:39in terms of individual
58:41well we we all agree that we have to
58:44focus on
58:44the women who are underprivileged who
58:47have a lot of pressure on their shoulder
58:49so they said that they will let
58:52the women choose what they want and that
58:55is the free will
58:56however we have successfully uh
58:59proved that it is not actually it is not
59:03necessary their free will and they're
59:05free like
59:06once they're free they truly dream
59:09demand
59:10which can lead to their true happiness
59:12but because
59:13they are underprivileged they will just
59:15want it easy and they can excuse
59:17is my way and they can accept the
59:20background and they will compromise it
59:22so we believe that once you still uh
59:25let them choose what they want you will
59:28let them choose
59:29like you still let the bad choices
59:32uh to be in your cases so in in our case
59:36we don't let them choose the bad uh the
59:38bad choices
59:39so that we believe we are the one who
59:41can truly
59:42bring the true happiness to um
59:45women who can let them um to
59:49the higher position in the society so in
59:52terms of
59:52uh society uh we all agree that we are
59:56here today for the society
59:57to fight against the prejudice in the
1:00:00society
1:00:01and this is strong we all know that
1:00:03because here we are
1:00:05like in the third world countries the
1:00:06prejudice is strong
1:00:08so that diversity and liberty cannot
1:00:11like really fight that we really have we
1:00:14do
1:00:15really need the collective hey to fight
1:00:18those
1:00:18um strong prejudices and we we are the
1:00:21one
1:00:22who have all the women to fight one way
1:00:25to fight one prejudice and to win that
1:00:28prejudice
1:00:28we have all the women together to
1:00:32win that prejudice so we are here today
1:00:35proud to propose
1:00:39we're done yes we're officially
1:00:42done no more debating jang you happy
1:00:46yes min happy quite
1:00:49quite happy okay you know you got all
1:00:51the judges
1:00:52no not yet i will know before you guys
1:00:55but thank you
1:00:56so much both of you in this round we do
1:00:58not hear from the judges
1:01:00so this is a silent round so contestants
1:01:02thank you so much and please
1:01:04return back to your seats we just
1:01:07finished the final reply speech with 40
1:01:09points on the proposition team team
1:01:11choco chips
1:01:12team thx has 50 points
1:01:15we will find out the results after
1:01:19the break
1:01:28welcome back to the final results of
1:01:30tonight's debates
1:01:32teams i think the judges have also
1:01:35agreed that this was
1:01:36one of the best debates so far the first
1:01:40five points 45 points
1:01:45to proposition team team choco chips
1:01:49the next 10 points
1:01:52is it team choco chips or thx
1:01:58the winner of tonight's debate in the
1:02:01quarterfinals
1:02:02with a total of
1:02:0760 points goes to the opposition team
1:02:10team
1:02:102 hx
1:02:14so congratulations you guys and again
1:02:18don't worry because there's still a
1:02:19chance to move to the semifinals
1:02:21and tonight the judges were thrilled
1:02:23with all of your performances
1:02:25which is something that is um you should
1:02:28be
1:02:28happy about because that's probably a
1:02:30good indication
1:02:31that you might be moving on so for you
1:02:34guys thank you so much for watching i
1:02:36also want to give a big shout out to our
1:02:37sponsor british university vietnam so
1:02:39thank you so much
1:02:41and as always make sure to have a great
1:02:43night take care
1:02:44see you later with another episode on
1:02:45the debaters
1:02:51[Music]
1:03:14[Music]
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