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0:08But yeah, Sir Winter is going to be
0:10asking me some questions [snorts] about
0:12Warrior Rust.
0:14>> [ __ ] I got problems on problems on
0:15problems on problems on problems on
0:16problems. I s my run through the money.
0:18[music] Depress be calling left on my
0:19blessings. I feel like I'm falling. The
0:21birdie is back. Tell me I'm garbage. I'm
0:23going through something that's why I
0:24ain't calling. Phone and progression is
0:25all that I wanted. A phone [music] with
0:27affection. Summon and double it cuz
0:28[ __ ] I got problems on problems on
0:29problems on problems on problems on
0:31problems. I solve them. I run through
0:32the money. [music] Depress be calling
0:33left on my blessings. I feel like I'm
0:35falling. The bird is back. Tell me I'm
0:37garbage. [music] I'm going through
0:38something that's why I ain't calling.
0:40It's all that I wanted. Affection. I
0:42summon and d it
0:55for a video of this magnitude. There's a
0:57few things I need to say quickly. First
0:59of all, I've tried to reach out to most
1:00people who are mentioned throughout the
1:02interview, and some of them have told me
1:03they don't even want their name
1:04mentioned in the video. I try to honor
1:05that by redacting their names. Second of
1:07all, Warrior was only able to use his
1:09phone to record this interview. I've
1:10tried fixing his audio quality as best I
1:12can, but it's a phone mic. It's not
1:14awful, but it isn't a studio quality
1:16mic. I've also added subtitles for you.
1:18And lastly, I've done a lot of
1:19interviews with people and put countless
1:21hours of research into everything
1:22Warrior has told me. Getting down into
1:24the trenches of 9-year-old drama all the
1:26way up until present day. And everything
1:27I've seen and heard firsthand over the
1:29years, the unprompted things I was told
1:31during my interviews with others, and
1:32the things I found where no one would
1:34ever think to or be able to look all
1:36tell me one thing. Everything Warrior
1:37has said in this interview that isn't a
1:39theory or allegation is indeed true.
1:41Now, some of those things I personally
1:43don't want to touch as it'll make
1:44mountains out of mole hills for the most
1:46part. But after this video is out,
1:47Warrior is free to talk about those
1:49things that were cut from the video and
1:50the redacted names as much as he
1:51pleases. This is his story after all.
1:54I'm just the librarian. I will be,
1:55however, saving the whole uncut
1:57interview with the chance that it could
1:58be released at a later date. With that
2:00being said, hopefully all my hard work
2:01has earned a sub and a like from you.
2:03But now Warrior has a monumental tale to
2:05tell. Enjoy.
2:15>> [music]
2:21>> So when you hear the name warrior,
2:24what's the first thing that comes to
2:25your mind?
2:28>> Roided out of his mind.
2:30>> Uh yeah, Sir Winter is going to be
2:32asking me some questions about Warrior
2:34Ruth. So, first thing that comes to mind
2:37is probably one of the best recoil
2:39players I've ever seen in my life.
2:42>> The first thing that comes to mind, huh?
2:44>> And yeah, wait, he was arrested. Does
2:46[music] that have anything to do with
2:47the training? I'm
2:47>> PvP Chad. Like, he's he's a PvP meat.
2:50>> I'm trying to think of the correct word.
2:52[laughter]
2:53>> Unintelligible [music] cuz I don't know
2:55what he's saying half the time.
2:56Hopefully that he's a Kraken fanboy.
3:00>> I mean, um, a loose a loose cannon.
3:02>> Probably controversy, I'd say. Crazy
3:04Beamer fanboys on steroids. Bro, you
3:06can't put it in the video, bro. Hey,
3:08[laughter]
3:11>> the first thing that comes to mind. Oh,
3:13there's a few things. PvP sweat.
3:15>> Sweat lord.
3:15>> If not the best, one of the best PvP
3:18>> players in Rust in terms of purely PvP.
3:21>> Yeah, one of the best. I would say
3:22>> one of the first streamers that really
3:24popularized PvP.
3:25>> He's the first one actually to host me
3:28on Twitch back in the day.
3:29>> He was always super kind to me.
3:31>> It's a little crazy of a dude. He you
3:33had him in a call and he was talking
3:34about this.
3:35>> Hey, this is from what I've heard. All
3:36right. Hey, [laughter]
3:37>> I wouldn't being admitting that.
3:39>> Think of the aim train clip with the MP5
3:41recoil back when it was learnable.
3:43There's that video of him doing the MP
3:44spray clipping a full magazine of an MP5
3:47and he's like hitting 25 head shot or
3:50something.
3:50>> Pack AK versus Warrior MP5. Like who
3:53would win?
3:53>> I remember the guy from 2019. He's a bit
3:55abrasive.
3:55>> A legend in the community. A really good
3:59player. Actually, when Warrior started
4:01doing the gambling [ __ ] I made an
4:02account on his code and I gambled on his
4:03code for a little bit. I was trying to
4:04help him out.
4:05>> Amazing PvPer. I've heard some things
4:07about him. You know,
4:08>> steroids. Everybody thought that Selena
4:10and Warrior were dating back in the day.
4:12>> A little bit of cheating here and there.
4:14>> I saw something about that. Actually, I
4:16am cool with a lot of streamers. It's
4:17just there's a couple.
4:19>> Let's talk about it. Let's Let's Let's
4:20talk about what's going on.
4:23>> Anyway. Yeah. Okay.
4:26>> Steroids.
4:27[laughter]
4:28So, like before we begin, you know, just
4:30so we're completely clear before we
4:32start, you're happy for me to record
4:34this conversation and potentially use
4:35password in a video?
4:37>> Of course, bro. Of course. If anything,
4:38I'm I'm sorry that I can't give you too
4:40much proof because like uh it will just
4:44a lot of other people's [ __ ] for no
4:46reason. But, bro, once once this kind of
4:47money's going around, like people are
4:49not playing fairs. It's common sense.
4:51>> Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that would
4:53Yeah, that's always going to be a thing.
4:54It's just, you know, on what scale is
4:56it? Yeah, exactly.
4:58>> Before we like get into everything, I
4:59just want to explain how I want to
5:01approach this. Uh, you know, I'm
5:03genuinely interested in hearing the
5:04whole story and I'm not coming into this
5:06assuming you're lying or assuming
5:07everything you say is true.
5:09>> I want to understand it properly. Then
5:11afterwards, I'll go through the evidence
5:12and verify what I can. Uh, if there's
5:16anything you tell me that you
5:17specifically don't want used publicly,
5:19just tell me at the time and I'll mark
5:20it as off the record.
5:22>> There'll probably be plenty of that. So,
5:23yeah, no worries.
5:24>> Sweet as. Uh, I'll probably interrupt.
5:26occasionally to like clarify like some
5:28names, dates or ask what evidence
5:31>> Yeah. Yep. and whatever evidence exists,
5:34but otherwise, you know, I just want you
5:36to tell the story in your own words. So,
5:38like rather than me throwing a bunch of
5:39questions at you immediately, I thought
5:41we could just like start with our own
5:42history with one another.
5:44>> Sure.
5:44>> Yeah. The first time I met you as in
5:47like it was without a video with K. The
5:50video Warrior was talking about was when
5:52he was playing with Carl years ago and
5:54he made some remark about me being [ __ ]
5:56at Rust. Me being me back then, of
5:57course, I had to respond where I said,
5:59"Who was that earshattering [ __ ] who
6:01called me [ __ ] Let's see his PvP
6:03talent, the Welsh Chad." Phenomenal clap
6:05back by me. But was it warranted?
6:07Absolutely not. But not knowing who
6:09Warrior was back then or his friends, I
6:11could never have known. I just put
6:12myself in their crosshairs. I was
6:14Discord bombed by Warrior and his
6:16friends where they all spam Sir Winter
6:17as a stupid n-word. They were all
6:19promptly blocked and I just forgot about
6:21it until Warrior reached out to me
6:22recently with a little reminder.
6:23[laughter]
6:24>> Yeah. You told me you like I was uh
6:26actually on your group's most hated list
6:28of streamers, but like somehow at the
6:31same time I was one of the most
6:32respected
6:33>> and you and I eventually made our piece
6:35and we've gone as far as being on the
6:37same team during the first kickoff
6:38event. So, when you reached out to me
6:40recently saying you wanted to like
6:41finally tell your story and gave me a
6:43small glimpse into what you've
6:44experienced behind the scenes over the
6:45last 11 years, I'll admit I was
6:47intrigued but also like a little
6:49skeptical. Um, some of the things you've
6:51told me are pretty extraordinary. And I
6:53think anyone watching this is probably
6:55going to have the same questions I do.
6:57And why should I trust your version of
7:00this story?
7:04>> Same reason they subscribed. I don't
7:05know. They just do. They just do. I sort
7:09of intention like this this house when I
7:12didn't build it. It was purchased with
7:14funds from
7:16all this like you know if you believe
7:19I'm laughing that's fine. You don't just
7:21have to believe it. [laughter] If I can
7:24if I can provide proof, it's
7:25non-inccriminate evidence that works in
7:27our favor. And if I can only provide
7:28contextual and the things I've
7:30anecdotally seen over the years, then
7:32absolutely that's all I can provide
7:33because it the lines blur unfortunately
7:38from a joke to serious reality quite
7:40easily.
7:41>> Yeah. Like so at the end of the day like
7:43this is your story and you're telling it
7:46and I'm just here to observe and you
7:48know ask questions and whatnot. So, you
7:50know, however,
7:51>> as you said about um giving you the
7:54footage and stuff is, yeah, because we
7:56literally hate you, bro, for no reason.
7:57Literally for no reason. Because you're
7:59successful and because he was a bit fat
8:00or whatever and we was kids and
8:02[laughter] it was like that's all it
8:03was. So now looking back on it, it feels
8:05just that the person to win essentially
8:09is the person putting in the effort.
8:10You've, you know, you've tried to keep
8:12the channel going like you've adjusted
8:14to the niches, you've done the
8:15documentary stuff. like, "Yeah, it's
8:17obviously it comes across as like some
8:19red hair in a trap, but no, it's simply
8:22just because you invited me to play that
8:23kick event." That's you looked after me,
8:27bro, in a time where I needed it. I was
8:29sat on a plane flying over to Rome to
8:31meet some people I'd never met, bro,
8:32that I just met on Discord that day.
8:34They just had come to Rome. I jumped on
8:35a flight and you messaged me as I was
8:37taking off and I was like, "It's so good
8:38to have that in the back pocket in case
8:40this meeting goes south." And but they
8:42keep me off the second one. That's what
8:43actually set this in motion. So, this is
8:45one of those instances where Warrior
8:47thought he was right about something but
8:48wasn't. What he's talking about is
8:49during the Kickoff 2 event in Rust. He
8:51was picked up to be on Train Rex's team.
8:53Train Rex ended up standing down and
8:55handed it to Meno. Meno stepped down 4
8:57days before the event started and gave
8:58his spot to E-RO, a popular Twitch
9:00streamer not associated with the Rust
9:01community at all, and he also happens to
9:03be Tyler 1's younger brother. Warrior
9:05was under the impression he was removed
9:06by Face Punch, which is factually
9:08incorrect because only Fancy Orb and
9:09Kick can decide who the captain is, and
9:11only a captain can decide who is in
9:13their team. When E-Rob took over the
9:15captaincy position, he allocated his co-
9:16captain spot to Angela Oreo, a just
9:18chatting Twitch streamer with about
9:2034,000 followers. So, with the two
9:22popular Twitch streamers now at the
9:23helm, who had no idea about who's who in
9:25the Rust community, upon reviewing their
9:26roster, they kicked Warrior. Warrior
9:28tried to reach out to find out what was
9:29happening, but Face Punch left him on
9:31red because they don't embold themselves
9:32in that side of things. And E-Rob and
9:34Angelo also left him on red because, you
9:36know, big Twitch streamers or something,
9:38I guess. I passed that info along to him
9:39and he agreed that outcome made sense.
9:41>> What were Temple Tops? You see the knock
9:44on effect is that Alistister has to step
9:45down.
9:47That's the knock that's the downstream
9:48knock on effect which you cannot prove
9:51at all is that Alistister has to step
9:54down off the basis of what Temple Taps
9:56has done. But it's the same thing that
9:57AirPods was doing and it's the same
9:59thing that allegedly other creators have
10:01been doing for many years much more
10:02successfully much more anonymously.
10:05>> And just to clarify that's accepting
10:07money from cheating companies to
10:09advertise their cheats indirectly.
10:12Yeah, we're basically just working with
10:13the enemy. Whatever the enemies, whether
10:15that's the casinos, whether that's the
10:16cheaters, they're working with the enemy
10:18for backhanders, but they just have
10:20plausible deniability. So like for
10:23Temple Taps to get game banned in Rust,
10:26he has to he has to violate the end user
10:28license agreement in Rust. He doesn't
10:30have Twitch can have no interaction. So
10:32he get he got both uh a ban on both or
10:34not? I watched your video, but he was
10:35unbanned when I looked yesterday. Right.
10:37Did he get a ban on Twitch at the same
10:38time or not?
10:39>> Uh no. So, that came after I spoke to
10:41Temple Taps about that. I was like,
10:43"What?"
10:45>> Yeah. He So, he got a 24-hour ban on
10:48Twitch for sexual misconduct or
10:51something. It was uh something to do
10:52with a an alert or something where
10:55someone was moaning.
10:56>> Did he show you the email?
10:57>> No, not this time. [laughter]
11:00>> Warrior is talking about Sinks in
11:02Coconut Bee's theory from my previous
11:04video about why Temple Taps was banned.
11:06In it, it's alleged that Temple Taps was
11:07taking money under the table to let
11:09cheating stream snipers farm him for
11:10content, where he'd give big reactions
11:12for the cheaters videos and their
11:13thumbnails and was paid in the form of
11:15anonymous gifted subscribers on Twitch
11:17as his inflated sub count didn't match
11:19the normal amount someone would normally
11:20have for around 200 to 400 viewers per
11:22stream. Ultimately, he was banned for
11:24scripting by Phase Punch after they did
11:25an investigation and even had a third
11:27party look into it as well, where both
11:29of them found that hundreds of instances
11:30of synthetic mouse movements were
11:32detected. What makes everyone so unsure
11:34about the situation is that Temple Taps
11:36is known to not be that skilled when it
11:37comes to PvP, which he himself has
11:39admitted. And from his fans and viewers
11:41perspectives, and even everyone else's,
11:43you can't actually tell if he's
11:44scripting or not with the naked eye. My
11:45theory on that is that if he actually
11:47was scripting, wherever he got them
11:48from, he got ratted out directly to Face
11:50Punch, who then began investigating him.
11:52Also, you can all stop harassing Sinks
11:54now over at Coconut Beast stands by this
11:56theory. But Sinks ultimately believes
11:58that he was actually just banned for
11:59scripting. Now, I've got a little bonus
12:01for you all. I actually reached out to
12:02Temple Taps for an interview, which he
12:04did agree to. Unfortunately, he must
12:06have changed his mind because he sent me
12:07an 8-minute voice recording that I'll
12:09play for you now with some footage from
12:10with NA Main in the background, which
12:12I'm playing and streaming on this
12:14Friday. Wipe at 3 p.m. EST. Feel free to
12:16come and ask me some questions about the
12:17video or any of my recent videos because
12:19I'll be recording and if the questions
12:21are interesting enough, I might even
12:22make another video out of it. Twitch
12:24link is in the description, but let's
12:26hear what Temple Taps has to say.
12:27Obviously, right up front, I'm going to
12:29say what is absolutely the 100% cold
12:32hard truth of the situation. I've never
12:34cheated in Rust, not one singular time.
12:36I've never downloaded a cheat. I've
12:38never been to cheat websites to like
12:39browse which ones are available. Uh like
12:41I don't have, you [music] know, like
12:42cheats for other games that are on my
12:44PC. I don't uh use an auto clicker. I
12:48don't have Razer macros. I don't use
12:50Nvidia. I don't use uh Reshade. I've
12:55never used any of these. Not not once
12:58uh with the exception of like maybe
13:00Nvidia like four years ago when you were
13:03allowed to use it, but I've never used
13:05it. Not even a singular time like Gamma
13:07or anything since it was disallowed
13:09years ago. Uh not a single piece of
13:11software, not auto hotkey, nothing. You
13:14know, get that right out of the right
13:15out of the way. But I think probably
13:16that's pretty obvious at this point.
13:1812,500 hours of live streamed Rust every
13:21single minute. And to those of you
13:23saying I delete VODs, I've never deleted
13:24a VOD. I haven't had VODs in 3 years,
13:27but there's plenty of clips. There's
13:28hundreds of hours of my shooting and my
13:30gameplay of clips. Um, if you ask any
13:32pro right now, and the reason I don't
13:34have VODs and haven't had them for
13:36years, is because most of my content
13:37surrounds raiding. By the way, I don't
13:38care about PvP. Everybody knows this. My
13:41VODs have me rocket raiding all day,
13:44every day, uh, you know, depoting rows
13:46and rows of rockets. So when I log out
13:48at night, if I have VODs enabled, people
13:50just scrub through the VODs, they find
13:51my base, they find my server, and they
13:53go for an easy offline with Rockets. So
13:55I disabled VODs years ago. You can ask
13:57anybody who's watched my stream. I
13:59haven't had VODs enabled for years.
14:01Okay, everybody knows that about my
14:03stream who's ever watched it, though.
14:04So, you know, that out of the way. Um,
14:08yeah, I I think it's also incredibly
14:10obvious that I haven't used scripts or
14:12any kind of other assistance in aim or
14:14PvP. Even if you ask like other pros who
14:17have seen me get banned and clearly like
14:20aren't sympathetic towards me, they
14:22admit that it's obvious I'm not
14:24cheating. I think everybody knows that.
14:26Even down to the last minute of the last
14:28hour of the last stream that I streamed,
14:30I'm spraying circles around people. It
14:32like it's it's very obviously
14:33unassisted. Um yeah, I the ban is false.
14:37uh I haven't cheated and [music] you
14:40know uh I'm going to do my best to run
14:42through the other uh conspiracy theory
14:45which I totally understand. I sympathize
14:47since it's obvious I haven't actually
14:48used any aim assist or synthetic mouse
14:51movements. People want to come up with
14:52any other reason they can try to find as
14:54to why I might be banned. People just
14:56don't want to accept the fact that maybe
14:57the ban is just a mistake. And I get
14:59that. But yeah, I mean from where I'm
15:01sitting it absolutely is a mistake. And
15:03I'll explain why. Uh, the idea that I
15:06would, first of all, obviously I'm
15:08ethically against cheating. Second of
15:10all, cheaters that stream snipe me hurt
15:13my stream. You know, people always want
15:15to talk about how my reactions were just
15:16so ridiculous. You're absolutely right.
15:18My reactions were ridiculous. They
15:19weren't. At first, I got relentlessly
15:21stream sniped and [ __ ] on by these
15:24cheaters for months and months and
15:25months. At some point, every time I
15:27would report them, I had two choices.
15:29After I report them and I'm waiting for
15:30them to get banned and I've got rows of
15:31rockets in my base, I got two choices. I
15:33can stay in the base miserable and look
15:35like a an idiot while I'm live to
15:37hundreds and hundreds of viewers
15:39providing no entertainment or I can try
15:40and spin it into something that is at
15:42least entertaining for myself and my
15:43audience. That's when I started running
15:45out mindlessly and just like getting
15:47slammed, etc., etc., you know, and
15:50looking back on it, I mean, people did
15:52find that hilarious, but looking back on
15:53it, obviously, I regret it because I can
15:55see from how the outside
15:57like viewers who have never watched my
16:00stream to perceive it like I'm trying to
16:03encourage that behavior. Uh, like to be
16:05clear, I absolutely don't encourage it.
16:07Never have. Hate getting stream sniped.
16:09It ruins my [ __ ] stream. It disrupts
16:11my ability to raid. It disrupts my
16:13ability to create content. There's
16:14nothing fun about it. There's nothing I
16:15ever wanted to encourage about it. And I
16:17certainly absolutely ridiculously by the
16:18way I've never taken bribes in order to
16:21ham it up more than normal. These stream
16:23snipers are banned in my channel. When
16:25they make new accounts, I ban them.
16:27Hell, they were still making this red
16:28jacket guy was making a new account
16:30harassing me after the your first video
16:33came out, Winter, and I had to ban them
16:35again. These are not people who are in
16:37contact with me. Uh I put it on my
16:39[ __ ] mother's life. I have never been
16:41privately contacted by any cheat uh
16:43developer uh in order to like solicit me
16:46for payment. Uh I've never been emailed.
16:49I've never been tweeted at and I've
16:51never been DM'd. My DMs are closed. You
16:53can't even send me DMs on Discord. These
16:56people are not reaching out to me and
16:57making me offers. They're just [ __ ]
16:59me and then making content out of it.
17:02And you know, it seems insane to me that
17:04people theorize that there's some kind
17:05of massive amount of money being given
17:06to me through gifted subs. First of all,
17:0850% would go off the top. Second of all,
17:10the accounts are public and you can look
17:12at all the accounts that support my
17:13stream. They support my stream because
17:15I've busted my ass off. Stream 12,500
17:18hours of Rust. Stream the most hours uh
17:21per year last year, which is the last
17:23year I was unban, like I was able to
17:25play the whole year than any other
17:26streamer. Literally any other streamer.
17:28Me and Wabbit were the two highest hour
17:30streamers in the world in Rust. That's
17:32more than anybody else. Um, so, so the
17:36idea is here that some guy on YouTube
17:38making 500 to 5,000 views a video once
17:41or twice a month at some piss low .01%
17:45conversion rate that's making a few
17:46hundred extra dollars in sales because I
17:49happen to be in his video and scream and
17:51also there's other people in all those
17:52videos. I'm not the only victim here, by
17:54the way. is going to reach out to me
17:56with this few extra $100 a month because
17:58that is what the conversions are going
18:00to be for a video like that and get me
18:02to ham it up even more as to get a cut
18:05of this, bro. A cut that would then be
18:08reduced by 50% as half of it goes to
18:11Amazon. Like it's like a hundred bucks a
18:13month or something. [music] A ridiculous
18:14amount to think I would risk everything
18:16I've built for 5 years straight of my
18:18life. I mean it's an absolutely
18:20ludicrous theory mathematically. Like
18:22these videos are not like creating
18:24massive like sales conversions for these
18:26guys. These guys are just having fun
18:27[ __ ] on streamers. And uh yeah, do I
18:31regret choosing to try to have fun
18:35instead of just AFKing in my base and
18:37feeling miserable about it? I do kind of
18:39regret that because clearly it's created
18:41an image that is false about how I feel
18:43about getting stream sniped. I've always
18:44hated getting stream sniped. It's
18:46miserable. It hurts my content. Not once
18:49have I ever been approached by any of
18:50these people and offered to ham it up as
18:54it were as to how I'm getting killed by
18:56them when they're stream sniping me. All
18:57right, that's a matter of fact. You will
18:59not find a DM. You will not find an
19:01email. You will not find a tweet. It
19:03does not exist. I can promise you that
19:04it doesn't exist. Um there is there will
19:07no there will not be any evidence of any
19:10of these people offering me money in
19:12exchange for reacting better. It's a
19:14ridiculous theory. It holds no weight
19:16and it doesn't even mathematically work
19:18out. Again, just do the math on it. Tiny
19:21channels with no views. Half of the time
19:23I don't even know who it is that's
19:25hunting me. And if I do, if it's like
19:27one of those iconic guys like Red
19:28Jacket, I'm certainly not attempting to
19:30have it happen to me. You know, I'm
19:32incredibly fortunate to have the kind of
19:34community I do. They're insanely
19:36generous. Even to this day while I'm
19:37streaming an entirely different game,
19:39people are still coming through showing
19:40me love. And none of those people are
19:43cheat developers [music] trying to throw
19:45me some 50% reduced bone off the edge of
19:49a 5,000 view video. Okay. Um, I'm really
19:53really grateful to have the community I
19:54do and you know it is definitely an
19:56insulting to them. Uh, to have the
19:59general internet imagining that they are
20:01some kind of like underground cheat
20:02developers
20:04funneling me money through some kind of
20:07Twitch laundering service. It's
20:08ridiculous. Um, to those of you that
20:10still are supporting me, I really really
20:12appreciate it as you've been coming
20:13through week after week. And I do also
20:16just want to remind people at the end
20:17like please don't harass anybody. Don't
20:19harass any Face Punch [music] staff.
20:20They have nothing to do with this. Um, I
20:23am EAC banned. I still have an EAC an
20:26active open EAC appeal and I just have
20:29to hope it gets resolved. Um, I have no
20:31ill will towards anybody. I just Yeah, I
20:33don't want people thinking some things
20:35that are just objectively untrue. That's
20:37it. Also, I reached out to AirPods, but
20:39he basically told me he wasn't involved
20:41and he wish he had been. He may as well
20:42have made a bag on the way out, but no,
20:44he wasn't involved. It also didn't make
20:46sense for AirPods to be involved because
20:47he wasn't really a streamer and he
20:49hasn't done a face reveal. So, he can't
20:50really be farmed for big reactions
20:52>> because it's like, bro, he's going to
20:54get a 24-hour suspension while they
20:56investigate his account for fraud. And
20:57providing the IP address that was lined
21:00up to his machine and the hardware ID
21:02they have access to is just browser
21:04based. Well, it didn't come from Temple
21:06Taps. He's a victim. Whoever's been
21:08putting all these, oh, we're just
21:10assuming his subscriber count is
21:12obviously fraudulent. as I've been
21:13streaming every day for my entire life
21:14with no fraudulent subscriptions and it
21:16only a peak to about 1,500. That's every
21:18day. Go look at the um Social Blades and
21:20stuff. I tried to find them yesterday,
21:22but they don't track subs or something
21:25because there's other characters doing
21:26this. But yeah, he's they're loading him
21:28up with the Twitch money off all the
21:30accounts, clears through, gets the
21:32payment. He's always active. He's always
21:34shipping hot dogs in his mouth. It's a
21:36valid reason that he needs to have
21:374,500. There's 200 viewers, bro.
21:41I peak of like 1500 organic viewers in
21:44my prime mean co and stuff and we're
21:46only banging like 2,000 subs and I'm
21:49pushing [clears throat] for that. So
21:50it's like he's been consistently doing
21:53it for years and it lines up. Watch
21:54every stream. He's crying about
21:56cheaters, bro. He's just being weird and
21:57he keeps giving these red herrings
21:59telling everyone he's not cheating to
22:00he's overdoing it. It's like it's all
22:02you're going on about. We clearly know
22:03you're not cheating because you're
22:04actually probably playing at a lesser
22:05level than you should be to try
22:07obscuring. The issue is face punch
22:10instead of taking a blind eye like they
22:12have previously done for some reason
22:14come out and try and defend it. They're
22:15trying to obscure the story. When this
22:17comes out the face punch have side with
22:19the person who is taking backhanders
22:22from the developers of their game.
22:25You're going to see the bigger picture
22:26that yes it's all selfunding. Cheaters
22:30by accounts get banned. He promotes it.
22:32Face punch kind of take a blind eye. For
22:34some reason they try to protect him this
22:35time. If that comes out, that all falls
22:38on Alistister's head because he's the
22:40scapego. He's the COO or whatever, the
22:42one they can put on Twitter and give all
22:44the followers. It's held behind the
22:46scenes. They probably should take the
22:48blame. So, Alistister has jumped off the
22:50stinking ship, bro.
22:52>> With this, like it's a pretty heavy
22:54accusation, of course. Um, for this
22:56particular case, is there like any
22:59evidence there to back that type of
23:00thing up or
23:01>> just anecdotally, I've seen individuals
23:04potentially uh over the years? Yeah.
23:07Just didn't come from that person that I
23:10paid. You ain't got no
23:13bird came from that person. He's a
23:14victim. He's a victim to this. You know,
23:17they're just giving him money. These
23:18guys love him so much they're choosing
23:19to give him money. So, you can ban him
23:21in Twitch, but it's like he's going to
23:22cause such a scene. He's gonna make a He
23:24never They got no proof, but they
23:26probably got self-destructive messages.
23:28Like he set it up in a way where it's
23:30like
23:32he just have to cry a little bit. So
23:34he's ruining his mom dream and yet it
23:36will actually just bust kiss
23:40the
23:41massive company that you know it's in
23:43their best interest to keep him on the
23:45site farming people. He's played the
23:48role of I don't know what's going on.
23:50Blah blah blah. I'm crying a little bit.
23:53Face Punch for some reason even spoke on
23:56it. I don't know why they would. It's
23:57really weird. It's not happened before
23:59because AirPods was doing the same
24:01thing. Allegedly AirPods have a Discord
24:04just like one of his hit squads. It's
24:06like Lacron's streaming. They're just
24:07going to go put some guys on him. He's
24:08going to get ripped out of the mini
24:09every two seconds. They're going to be
24:10laughing in VC probably screen recording
24:12it. Just having a good laugh as kids do.
24:15But I don't think he's a kid now. You
24:16think he's pretty old? Because they
24:18always forget me to run the groups, bro.
24:20It's like I'm not going to be the face
24:22for whatever this group is. I don't even
24:24It's like me and the crowd might have a
24:26bit of banner, but like you are directly
24:28crippling his wage if every time he
24:30tries to go a pace, he cannot get the
24:32video. You understand this? He can't
24:34upload every week. He can't get into the
24:36algorithm. He can't grow because you put
24:38those hit. So you'd argue that's
24:40extortion. And then alleging is paying
24:43one of these groups to be able to play
24:45his own game. And it's like what is
24:48going on? This is mad. It's not really
24:50about Rust. These are like almost little
24:53clicks of teams all competing within
24:55Rust for the most clout of who's the
24:57most nefarious essentially all behind
24:59the scenes and then funnely through his
25:02content creators. It's actually mental
25:03when you put it like that. So yeah,
25:06there are some red eggs like Trrowy. He
25:09never break any rules poses. Well, oil
25:11rats cuz these guys are all clean.
25:16Believe
25:17>> you're starting off pretty heavy. So,
25:19why don't we just wind it back just a a
25:20little bit and we we'll get there. Um,
25:23>> you'll probably have to chop it all up
25:24and make it make sense. That's the
25:26problem. It's too much information.
25:27Like, co was bang on. You got 100 game
25:31band accounts.
25:32>> I mean, before we get into like all the
25:33crazy stuff, who is Warrior Russ and how
25:37did you end up becoming such a notorious
25:39person in Rust?
25:40>> So, I was I was in computer science. I
25:42was 15 years old, bro. I was the only
25:43normal kind of guy in there. Like I just
25:45did computer science because I knew
25:47every like 10 years ago not on a phone,
25:49bro. So what they going to do in 10
25:50years? If you don't do computer science
25:51or business studies, you're not future
25:52proofing yourself. It was common sense.
25:54So I just did computer science and one
25:55of the kids in the class, he's talking
25:56about Rust. It's like I ain't got no
25:58mates now. I was like, "Oh, I get Rust
25:59tonight." So I got got on Rust. Bro, the
26:02guys got offline on Steam. The hours are
26:03going up on Steam. They're hiding from
26:05me already. [laughter] So they don't
26:08want to play with me cuz it's like,
26:09yeah, I'm just going to steal the stuff
26:11at lunch and give them a hard time when
26:13I'm with the [ __ ] rugby boys. But
26:14when I'm in computer science, they're my
26:15gez. So they they know I'm a snake. They
26:17don't want to be with me. So they cut me
26:18off early. So I just left my own devices
26:19in Rust then. No friends don't want to
26:22play with me. So I started just like
26:24getting people off Reddit, you know,
26:26like get give me a base and like we'll
26:27team up. I wait for them to go chop
26:29trees or whatever and I'll just take the
26:31base. Like I was the only wild mic. So I
26:33was essentially scamming people really
26:35early on, but I had to get rushed for
26:37it, bro. Then I made friends with CC
26:39over some years and stuff and it's like
26:41now to get a base I'm just going to go
26:43on Reddit on Friday attack some guys
26:45stuff bag CCing and we'll give him
26:47verbal from the inside of the base as we
26:48stole it. So that's how I got into rust.
26:52A friend snake me and got me game
26:53banned. It didn't really to be honest my
26:55own greed got me game banned. I mean
26:57more metal stuff happened over the years
26:59like I had Bitcoin when it was new
27:00gamble at all when I was 14. Wish we
27:02have kept that.
27:02>> Wild Mike and CC are names you'll hear
27:04come up again throughout this interview
27:06for context on who they are. Wild Mike
27:07was one of the bigger characters from
27:09the underbelly of Rust. Notorious for
27:11stream sniping and harassment amongst
27:12other things that are spoken about by
27:14Warrior. CC is Carl Warrior's best
27:16friend over the years and a big part of
27:18this story. But Warrior gets into that
27:19CERN.
27:20>> It was just me and him versus the world
27:21essentially as you probably realized. I
27:23mean, we don't even know if he's alive
27:24or dead currently. So, that's the glad
27:26situation. One thing led to another. I
27:28got snaked by a friend who just posted
27:30some cheese in the card. I was like,
27:31"Yeah, sound. I'll take them. Like, I'm
27:33going to sell them on. Like, I'm not I'm
27:35not You silly bastard, bro. You just put
27:37that sauce there, bro. I'm renamed that
27:39file. I'm making a new Discord in 20
27:41minutes. This is now undetected. Cheat,
27:43whatever. Make some nice money. Deal
27:46with it. I left it on the PC, bro. I'm
27:47playing Rust. I'm just catching game
27:49mans. And I'm not sure why. I'm thinking
27:51it's cuz I'm so good cuz actually I'll
27:53sit here and just play and play until I
27:54get it done. I can just It's hard me
27:58literally replaying the exact pattern.
27:59You keep your eyes closed every time.
28:01It's so easy. I don't know. These guys
28:02can't do it. So, I get banned. He gives
28:06me the [ __ ] cheats. He denies that he
28:08meant to do it. Whatever. But because
28:10I've kept making new accounts because
28:11I'm un I'm unprivatey to this world at
28:14this time. I've now hardware debn
28:18[clears throat]
28:20legit. So imagine the scenario now to
28:23get around this. I have to inject
28:24cheats, turn them off to spoof the
28:27hardware ID to get on and play my game
28:30just because I got snaked. I did not
28:31understand the system, bro. So I'm
28:33emailing Facebook punch. offering them
28:35the maddest like you know if I jump into
28:38a game bro I'm going to climb the ranks
28:39so it's like I got into all the mad
28:40cheat sheets rust glory evil cheats aim
28:42kit and you all all this weird stuff and
28:45I ended up meeting all these individuals
28:48who became my friends for life off the
28:50back of that cheating got bored very
28:52quickly got very expensive it's
28:53thousands and thousands of pounds a
28:54month on accounts and whatnot you got to
28:56like if you can't bother doing all
28:58theing social engineering stuff just buy
29:00invites and stuff so just start chucking
29:02money at it gets very expensive very
29:03quickly I was targeting Alistister
29:05because of this and I've been beef with
29:08him was like a 16 17 year old kid
29:10spending [laughter] better money
29:13to the point where I spent enough to buy
29:15a new PC. I was like well I'd buy a new
29:18PC and buy a new Rooma and call myself
29:20Warrior
29:22and the rest basically just history.
29:24That's why it laughed to me that they
29:26almost cut me off a cheat. It's like,
29:27"No, I'm not cheating."
29:29Thought I was just a few weeks before
29:32my whole life. [laughter]
29:33>> Here, Warrior goes on to allege that a
29:36large content creator in the Rush scene
29:37was doing the same thing back in 2016.
29:39I'm not including their name for a
29:41reason because it was 10 years ago and
29:42was allegedly not even a ban from Rust
29:44itself, but another game.
29:45>> And if anyone about this now, they knew
29:47it for years. Always cheating, was
29:49cheating. It's like even the steroid
29:51stuff punching the desk and like I don't
29:53care. I don't care about game, bro. you
29:56make like 50 60,000 a month. It's like I
29:58have to if I got to smash the monitor
30:00and just keep ordering new ones every
30:01day, I will. [laughter] So, how many
30:04years do we have to keep kind of putting
30:06this smoke screen entertainment? I
30:08almost I'm closer to 30 now than 20. Uh
30:11I don't get angry at the game. The way
30:13they're taking the game is not good
30:15unfortunately. I don't understand. I
30:17don't know. What do you What do you
30:18think? I'm just going to talk this
30:21podcast. Uh, so yeah, like the direction
30:24of the game obviously, um, I'm not
30:26playing Russ at the moment. I wasn't a
30:29fan. It just doesn't feel the same.
30:31It's, you know, maybe I've just gotten
30:33too old for it.
30:33>> It's just too much stuff.
30:35>> Yeah. I I I started this full-time when
30:37I was 26, I believe. I was I was mid20s.
30:4025 26. I'm now
30:42>> You were my age right now. That's
30:45>> I'm now 36.
30:49>> What would you tell 26y old you? keep
30:51your ego in check. Be a bit more humble
30:53[laughter]
30:54>> until 10y old me.
30:55>> But I also think I've always said, you
30:57know, you've got to have some kind of
30:58ego to make it big in
31:01>> if you want to be number one at summer.
31:02Like everyone else has to be number two
31:04by logic otherwise you've already lost
31:06going into the fight.
31:07>> So it was what you were saying like
31:08there's a lot to unpack there.
31:10>> There's so much too much toing I can't
31:12unpack it. I think that's a problem.
31:13>> I'll try and help you. Who was if you
31:15want to say who was the friend that
31:17snaked you? His name was Host, but this
31:19you just have like a random name like
31:20his name was host. Um, and then he
31:23changed it to I I7 Rocky. You can
31:26display all his name because bro, if
31:27this get to these people, I would love
31:28to speak to him for like 10 years. It
31:30was a bloody mouse script before I'd
31:32ever like heard of bloodies and stuff
31:34because he's telling me, "Bro, you don't
31:36need this. You can't put it in your
31:37mouse." And I'm like, "I'll find a way.
31:39Just give me it. I'll do it later." And
31:40I don't even get round to using it cuz
31:42obviously it's built for the bloody
31:44mouse. The hat goes in the mouse. I got
31:46raise and browse, bro.
31:49So now I'm got a cheat just sat on the
31:51desktop essentially running open in text
31:54while seeing booting up. It's like I'm
31:56not doing all my own IP and stuff, but I
31:58was too green. It was it was sad because
32:00I I I would have gone pro back then. I
32:02have all these videos. I documented
32:04everything. I deleted a whole second
32:05YouTube channel. It's all fully gone. I
32:07even like do all the email GDPR stuff.
32:09Like I have all cheating community, bro.
32:11I tried to reach out to him because I
32:13think the guy I was doing it with, he
32:14popped off, bro. I think he went super
32:16successful. Or maybe not. His name was
32:18originally Noxy Hex. He spelled it K N O
32:21X Y H E X. Then he renamed himself to
32:24SN. And then I believe someone told me a
32:26few months ago he's now called I want
32:28Sheets, which sounds expensive and
32:29sounds like he's probably got some whole
32:31big operation going on. So fair play to
32:33him. Imagine if he's the guy paying off
32:35Temple now. And it's like we were
32:38semi-legit all those we were legit until
32:40someone pissed us off and then like
32:42we'll just cheat you if we can't beat
32:43you legit. But we kind of could run most
32:45people legit. That's why it's funny. Or
32:46like he'll just get on and screen record
32:48everyone's base, right? He's just going
32:49to go around. It's like I got beat for
32:51this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy.
32:52He's on this bit of the map, this bit,
32:54this bit of the map. Right, there's the
32:55video. This wall, this wall, this wall.
32:57They start like you fully hands off and
32:59just like um temple tabs. You got full
33:01pause. Same with streaming. These
33:03streams where they're going to have the
33:04phone on the desk and some girl just
33:06going to text the phone talking about
33:07he's on your left, he's on your right,
33:08he's coming from he can't be in. No. Um
33:12to get plausible deniability streams IP
33:14you just have to be in [ __ ] tab you
33:15can't your account cannot be in there at
33:17all just like temple taps in his IP he
33:20want in broad they can't see any back
33:23like back door local information to your
33:25machine you can get away with a lot of
33:26stuff they know that maybe some of my
33:28old friends ran a channel called and
33:31we're taxing bread but they never spoke
33:34on it and it was like okay negligence is
33:36probably not a crime now they're
33:38covering for temple taps it's like
33:40what's he on him. Well, and then Ali
33:42like maybe maybe Temple Tabs got even
33:45more them or something.
33:46>> You've told me like this story goes back
33:4811 years.
33:49>> My whole life.
33:50>> Where does the story actually begin?
33:52>> I guess Warrior was conceived right as I
33:55stopped cheating. I just create the
33:56channel Warrior and that was when it all
33:58began. Carl made a bet with me that I
34:00would not last one week without getting
34:01banned for eight on Twitch. Made the
34:03account and I obviously didn't get
34:05banned. I was like, "It's you that'll
34:06get me banned, bro." we just start
34:09popping off and then before we know it
34:10we meet all these characters along the
34:12way and yeah literally it just started
34:14in 2017 but off the back of it we keep
34:16our ties with all these characters we
34:19meet on the way up who start to play key
34:21essential roles when you need specific
34:23things handling I suppose in that cyber
34:25world but yeah it crosses over into some
34:29real nefarious stuff I suppose easily
34:32for example I've flown all these guys
34:33around quite a lot like you know if I
34:35need I got if I'm if I'm calling favors,
34:38bro. I need to look after these guys.
34:39So, they get all the new games. They're
34:41getting flown around, bro. As best I
34:42can, it's like I'm rich. I've done a few
34:45trips. I've paid for probably Airbnbs
34:47and stuff. And every time like five or
34:48six, seven guys come over. Maybe when
34:50they leave like five, bro. Every time
34:52some guy was just a weird shape, bro.
34:53So, we had to be in weird. He's cut off
34:56every time. And we've cut it down to
34:57like four or five people. And this last
34:59one that we do, um, we only land back
35:02here wearing cuffs on the floor. And I'm
35:04thinking, oh, sound. Me and Kyle are
35:05going to be like, I mean, we was already
35:07like this, bro. It was me and him. Fire,
35:09but I give him anything. And now I never
35:12speak to him since that day. We nurse
35:13him, bro. We got put on the floor face
35:15first down. We all agreed. No one no one
35:17knew anything. No one said nothing. And
35:19now I'm thinking we're going boys for
35:21life, bro. He get put in a menal asylum,
35:23I think, and that's that's it. So, I
35:26think he's dead. I don't know. You've
35:27seen his Twitter and stuff.
35:28>> So, Carl isn't dead. At the time of
35:30Warrior and myself talking, he'd
35:32actually reached out to me with a few
35:33words of his own to say. Throughout this
35:35video, Warrior has told me that he loves
35:36you. It was you and him forever. You
35:38guys were brothers and so on. What's
35:40your take on why all this is coming out
35:42now? Well, I mean, I'd also talk the
35:44same way about him. It talks about me
35:46that he's probably the big brother I
35:47never got. He's he's we've been friends
35:49for like 10 years or something. Someone
35:51just messaged me like, "Sir, when I used
35:53you in like a TikTok or something and
35:55it's [music] it was because of where I
35:56found out and was saying like he's just
35:58having like a psychotic episode or
36:00something and I just felt bad, you know,
36:01it's hard seeing one of your your
36:03friends struggle like that. I don't know
36:05if he's really struggling or if it's
36:06like some sort of bit." But
36:07>> see, that's the thing with Warrior. It's
36:09always hard to know if it's a bit or if
36:11he's struggling or if he's putting on a
36:13character or if he's building hype. You
36:16just don't know. With Warrior, what
36:17happened with you two? You guys were
36:19like brothers and [music] now you don't
36:22really speak.
36:23>> I mean, I don't really speak with anyone
36:24that I used to play Rust with because I
36:26don't know, it was just some I had a bad
36:28few months and I just had to like get
36:30off Rust and I just [music] I realized
36:32that Wes and I we may have been like
36:35very very good friends and such, but
36:36there's just some fundamentals you can
36:38disagree on and then you know, you can't
36:40really see past that. But yeah, that's
36:41that's probably why we don't speak
36:43anymore. And I don't really speak with
36:44with any Ross people. I just kind of IRL
36:47and [ __ ] So,
36:48>> you mentioned something bad happened in
36:50Malta. Can you tell me about the Malta
36:52trip?
36:52>> I mean, the Malta trip was probably one
36:54of the funniest vacations I've been on,
36:56but also the saddest because I don't
36:59know what what do you want to know
37:00because
37:01>> I want to know about like the arrest and
37:03stuff like that.
37:03>> So, basically, one night in Malta, Chris
37:05and I, we were just chilling in our
37:07rooms, you know, our third friend, we
37:08had broke and we heard like a like a
37:10fight [music] happening outside and I I
37:13was so drunk, I couldn't be bothered
37:14going out and checking what was up. But
37:16then the next morning, I remember just
37:17waking up and [music] Alex's girlfriend,
37:20uh, she she wasn't there anymore. She
37:22had been returned to the airport and had
37:24to fly home by herself. And then we
37:26returned home to the UK a few days later
37:28and there was we arrived and there was
37:30new doors and there was likeing RSPCA
37:33posters on the on the door, like animal
37:35cruelty kind of thing. Fairly certain
37:37she had reported [music] him to just
37:39about any authority in the UK. And then
37:41like later that night just watching a
37:43Champions League and having a bunch of
37:46bunch of beers and [ __ ] and then
37:48suddenly I go outside and the LA just
37:50runs in and he's like the police are
37:52outside again.
38:01>> What's up with the door then? Are we
38:03fixing it?
38:04>> Yeah. 300 wood.
38:04>> I am 300 wood.
38:05>> I'm supposed to fix this. Is it is it is
38:08it like armored or is it a
38:10>> Do you have the blueprint or no?
38:13>> Wait, we don't have the blueprint for
38:14armor though. Can you craft it? We have
38:16a tier three.
38:18>> I'm [ __ ] [ __ ] myself. I'm drunk
38:19as hell, dude. And then we just go
38:21upstairs and they bang down the doors.
38:23It was [laughter] prettying funny, but
38:25it was just so it was unreal. It was
38:28like being online rated in Rust, but in
38:30real life. It was very strange. And I
38:32didn't I didn't really know like why it
38:34was happening at that time. I hadn't put
38:36two and two together yet.
38:37>> And what do you think happened?
38:39>> Well, I mean, his the girlfriend
38:41messaged me like a few um months later,
38:44a week later, I don't I can't really
38:45remember. And I I was just asking her
38:47what what happened. And then she told me
38:49that that they were like hitting each
38:50other and [ __ ] And he was [music] like
38:52driving really fast with her and the car
38:54had melt her to get back to the airport
38:56and she felt like her life was, you
38:58know, threatened in some capacity. And I
39:00just for me that's a that's a pretty big
39:03fundamental disagreement just like you
39:05know violence and such. So it's it's
39:07it's not something I really want to deal
39:09with. So that's that's also a reason why
39:10him and I we don't chat anymore.
39:12>> You mentioned at one point that he uh
39:14got violent with you or threatened you.
39:17>> Yeah. I mean it was before we went to
39:18Malta while while we're still in the UK.
39:20We're out for a drive and I was sat in
39:22the back seat. For some reason he had to
39:24like uh back his seat all the way back
39:25into my knees and I didn't even move. I
39:27was like getting squished between the
39:29seats and something fell off his seat
39:30because of me because of my knees and he
39:32he got out and he was like, "Dude, she
39:34said I'm just gonnaing beat you or
39:36something." And obviously he's
39:39riding out his head. So you could always
39:41point the the finger at that, but I'm
39:43just not a violent person.
39:44>> So in one of the clips someone said, you
39:47know, warriors got to be like pretty
39:48stupid to be out like to be doing this
39:50stuff and admitting to this stuff. And I
39:53just I remember thinking at the time
39:54they said it, I was like, I actually
39:56think it's quite the opposite. I think
39:57he's insanely intelligent, insanely
40:00calculating, and
40:02>> yeah, he has
40:03>> he's a bit of a tactician.
40:04>> Oh, yeah. Everything for him, it's it's
40:07sort of a game where he has to win and
40:09he has to put down a plan and [ __ ] He
40:10never really does anything without
40:12knowing the outcome already, if that
40:13makes sense.
40:14>> I I feel like I have a pretty good read
40:15on people as well. And I knew there'd be
40:17something in this for him. Like, I knew
40:19he wants something out of it. Like, if
40:21he wants this to happen, there's
40:22something going on.
40:23>> Yeah, that's an agenda for sure. Further
40:25into the interview, he was talking about
40:26the Selena person and also he just made
40:29a little side remark and I was like, you
40:31know, I'm basically the same thing right
40:33now. And he said, "Yeah, she was a
40:34useful tool."
40:35>> I've heard that as well. Yeah, that is
40:37kind of how he looks at some people.
40:38Interesting. I don't know why he would
40:39ever say that. Like even if I were like
40:41a bit insane, I don't think I'd ever
40:44ever call anyone a tool. You know what I
40:46mean?
40:46>> Yeah. Gave me an insight into like how
40:47warrior thinks and operates. It's just
40:49that one little remark and I was like,
40:51"Okay, that's opened up a whole
40:52different way of thinking." He's uh
40:54what's I think it's cynical. You'd say
40:56like cynical. He could be very cynical.
40:57He could be very coldblooded. As long as
40:59he gets something out of it, at the end
41:01of the day, he doesn't mind.
41:02>> Yeah. And honestly, like I'm kind of
41:04like waiting to see what that is after
41:06this video [laughter] drops. If we get
41:08back on track, how do you feel about
41:10Warrior now?
41:11>> Well, I'm always going to that's that'll
41:14always be my like my bro at the end of
41:16the day. It might be a bit strange now,
41:18but we we're still in the trenches
41:19together. We stilling we played so much
41:22Rust together. He's probably the person
41:23that I've spent the most time with in
41:25the world, so I won't I won't have
41:27anything too bad to say about him, but
41:29yeah. I mean, he's still my bro.
41:31>> Is there ever a world where you guys
41:32become friends again and hang out or
41:35>> Probably not. I mean, I I need to like
41:38completely cut anyone off with anything
41:40that reminds me of Rust because I have
41:42like [ __ ] Rust addiction, dude. And
41:44it's just going to keep ruining my life
41:45if I keep playing this game. So, as I
41:47said, it's just like some fun
41:48fundamental disagreements on how you
41:50treat people and such that are like
41:52non-negotiable for me. One of them
41:54being, you know, being a violent person
41:56isn't something I really want to be
41:57around.
41:58>> If he were to reach out to you, would
42:00you talk to him?
42:01>> Sure. I mean, no matter what happens,
42:02you'll still be the same funny guy, but
42:04it definitely wouldn't be like something
42:06where we'd we'd go on vacations together
42:08and [ __ ] again. I'm just going to say
42:10something and it's probably it's
42:12probably just going to be like it won't
42:13be straightforward. I'm probably going
42:15to be like saying like a lot and [ __ ]
42:17and I'm going to be saying the wrong
42:18words, but you can edit it in, you can
42:20edit it however, but think about what he
42:22is, I'm fairly certain he didn't have
42:23like a a great growing up, like a great
42:26upbringing. But at the end of the day,
42:28he always he was always kind to his
42:30friends till the Malta trip, but he was
42:32always very kind, very funny. You know,
42:34I' I'd be in in high school, dude. I'd
42:37be excited to come home and play Russ
42:38with him. He can be a very good person,
42:40but sometimes he can always also be like
42:42a kind of a kind of a [ __ ] Yeah,
42:44that's just him. It's just same for this
42:46guy. No one know anything, bro. He when
42:49he come off the plane, he asked me to
42:51give him a bottle of Jerger M. What? JG
42:54it's 22 quid, bro. It's 22 quid. I got
42:56this guy just going to chin Jerger M for
42:58breakfast. I'm thinking, what the [ __ ]
42:59have I just got myself into, bro? It's
43:01happening every time. He flashed some
43:02guy around the world and he's actually
43:04just tapped and he was lying by his age
43:05as well, bro, for years. I'm thinking
43:07this guy's older than he is. So, it's
43:09like that was the story with CeCe, but
43:11he just, you know, I pay him to be the
43:14editor just to try to put a roof over
43:17his head, bro. Like, I'd spend a lot of
43:18money on him. I give him I tried give
43:21him the game to be a streamer, but he
43:23just never
43:25gelled with it, I guess. I don't know.
43:27Went insane. He would drinking bottles
43:28of wine. So, he's he's gone insane. He's
43:30gone in my head. Um, and it's like,
43:32well, if I don't have Carl, yeah, other
43:34friends have died now. We've cut back so
43:36many people. I've got no one. So, it's
43:38like it don't even matter anymore whom I
43:40talk about or what I say. I've had 11
43:42years of this game. It's like we can
43:44just go be normal now. Live a normal
43:47life. But all the other stuff have been
43:49happening. Yeah. Streamers are getting
43:50taxed. People are getting robbed. People
43:52are cheating. No one's cheating on
43:54stream just because they can't get away
43:56with it.
43:56>> To touch back on Carl, the last time I
43:58saw him was in the kickoff event when he
44:01griefed the bass and quit halfway
44:02through.
44:04>> Yeah. with us.
44:06>> Yeah, he was obviously very distressed
44:08on the leadup to the event. He said he
44:10owed some bad people money. I thought he
44:12was joking, but then I said [laughter]
44:16>> he owed you money.
44:17>> My boys money. Well, yeah. Well, maybe.
44:20I don't know. But unless you're real
44:22people money as well, then that's
44:24probably the issue. Yeah.
44:26>> Yeah. I remember making a joke saying,
44:27"Oh, this guy owes the mafia money."
44:29He's like, "Oh, you're not far off it."
44:31And um I was like, "Oh, he actually
44:35sounds like he's being serious." So I
44:36kind of just like let it
44:38>> let it be. Yeah. He was on for that
44:40event like for a solid 48 hours or 30
44:43something hours or something like that.
44:45>> And then next round.
44:48>> Yeah.
44:50>> Good.
44:50>> He griefed all the electrics and piping
44:52in the base. Like undid it all.
44:54>> I took his gear set off him. I I put his
44:56gear set. He was showing off this fancy
44:59system. So I banged him. Put it I said
45:00that's sick. could put it through the
45:01gear set system so it all dispersed
45:02through the base. next. He's unplugged
45:04everything and he's cried. I like, you
45:07know, maybe it was just a straw that
45:09brought the camels back, but like it
45:10joke. Shoot me. It's my guess. You know,
45:13it's a stream.
45:16>> He always takes time.
45:17>> After he left, it was it was very clear
45:19that he was
45:21>> mental. Yeah. Having a mental problem. I
45:24just kind of I I let him be.
45:26>> You know, it was a bit upsetting. Uh
45:28but, you know, it's also like I could
45:30see he's going through a problem right
45:31now. I'm not going to harp on about it
45:33or anything.
45:33>> Alcohol, bro. It's [ __ ] bad stuff.
45:36Literally, I cut open the door to that
45:37[ __ ]
45:39>> I just got to smoke, but no. Yeah, it's
45:41like you probably do owe some people
45:43money. So, hope he's all good. Every
45:44time I come on the stream, everyone's
45:45sping me talking about you got to do
45:46your own thing. You got to do your own
45:47thing. One one day, he don't even know
45:48this, bro. I kept a secret cuz it was a
45:50bit sad. One of his top donators
45:52messaged me. He's like, I'm just going
45:53to donate to K cuz you don't stream.
45:55Like, oh [ __ ] [laughter]
45:57So I fired it up that day and yeah
45:59before I knew it it just took off and
46:02you know honestly on life bro I never
46:04the warrior brand is clean for that
46:06reason that's why there's no game on
46:07that account but if I release all the
46:08stuff they probably will you know retro
46:11game so it's fully clean no BS nothing
46:14it was designed for that purpose
46:16>> how do you feel the community will react
46:18to let's say confession like I don't
46:21know clearing the closet how do how do
46:23you think they'll react
46:25>> the closet
46:26[laughter]
46:27Come on. Um, I think they'll take it
46:29pretty bad cuz they're weird, bro. Like
46:31look at the Play Russ subreddit. They
46:33get they get game devs that cater to
46:34their every need and they still have a
46:36problem. So it's like you'll never
46:37appease everyone if this land with one
46:40disgruntled young man who thinks he's a
46:42dead end and you can't like switch from
46:45like cheat or whatever. You know, it's a
46:47grander issue that the reality is your
46:49situation is never um like Vinci. play.
46:53It's um you can morph it, you can sculpt
46:55it, bro. So, you might be cheating
46:56today, but within a few years, you might
46:57be the biggest, we must stream ever, but
46:59I did not think I could come out and
47:00give that message to the people because
47:02these Reddit frogs are going to be like,
47:04"Yeah, we know. He's been cheating. He's
47:06been doing this and that. Red Track has
47:08been game banned him." And if enough
47:09motion got behind that, well, with
47:11Alistister stepping down, he was in
47:12charge, it probably would be. So, it's
47:14like that's fine, but technically you
47:16came by, you know, an innocent
47:18individual who's just trying to help
47:20people. It don't really make any sense.
47:22It's not to flex the bad stuff we did.
47:24It's more so that the system once you've
47:26made a few mistakes will try and keep
47:28you making mistakes, but you don't have
47:29to. You can literally just buy a new PC,
47:32make a new name, and as long like, and
47:33you can go go be the biggest streamer,
47:35but you shouldn't be able to. You can
47:36get released for having possession of a
47:38zombie house back last year and sort
47:41out, you know, like you can just fix
47:44your situation because I do coaching. I
47:46need a bit of cash. So, I also want some
47:48coaching out. Tons of people pay me for
47:50coaching and it's like I'm trying to
47:52tell this guy, you know, jump out of
47:53bed, bro. Do something good today. And
47:54he's like, I'm having a [ __ ] day. He's
47:56like, me too, bro. We'll get the [ __ ]
47:57out of bed. Just lock in. Do something.
48:00So that's the message. It's not about
48:02flexing the stuff we did. Allegedly,
48:05it's just Bor was legit. You can be
48:09whatever. Like don't go working normal
48:11job. Do whatever you want. It really
48:14don't matter. Flow.
48:18I've lost a lot of friends to this now.
48:19We like, you know, some actually have
48:21died, some are in jail, some have got
48:23more money than they ever need and they
48:24disappear into the sunset, but everyone
48:26gets that different path. But it's
48:28really cool and unique, but I'd still be
48:29trapped working a shitty dead end job if
48:31I never take the risk. So, just take the
48:32risk. You did probably, right? You took
48:34the risk to start your channel, bro. Who
48:36was around back? Let's be there was who
48:38was there? Holdas was around back then.
48:40Rhino Crunch. So, you might know, but I
48:43was always told the story with Rhino
48:44Crunch was he was given he's the reason
48:46that we're not allowed admin rights on
48:48uh only face punch restrict their admin
48:50rights because I was always like trying
48:52to push to get admin rights on vanilla
48:53servers so I can do nefarious things and
48:55I probably could have got him if Rhino
48:57Cru didn't spawn in a th00and C4 and
49:00then die to the guy with a th00and C4
49:02bro and now he's just give a th00and C4
49:04on vanilla ser
49:08this can't happen I believe but this is
49:10this is what I mean this is I got told
49:12like seven years ago, it might be
49:13bollocks, but like I believe it is true.
49:15Yeah, they give him admin to deal with
49:17these nefarious snipers. The game's only
49:19got like five, 6,000 concurrent players,
49:21whatever it is. All of a sudden, he's
49:22like, "Yeah, we'll just these guys are
49:24problem. We'll spawn it in. We'll go
49:25raid up. Get rid of them." He's the raid
49:27up and now given these guys more
49:29artillery than was even conceivable, but
49:31he spawned in and now no one can have
49:33that feature.
49:34>> Yeah. So, I was in the there was a Slack
49:35group formed uh around that time with
49:38like the top tier content creators and
49:40Faze Punch. And I remember going in
49:42there and just straight away getting
49:44stuck into Rhino Crunch. Uh this is like
49:46before he done anything wrong. The
49:48reason he got had that stripped from him
49:50is because he was banning apparent
49:53stream snipers.
49:55>> He's just [ __ ] wild with it.
49:57>> Yeah. Yeah. And then Gary came in and
50:00stripped it from him because it was
50:01Homesy who was advocating for him to
50:03have it. And then yeah, Gary removed it
50:05and no one else was allowed to have it,
50:08which I find like perfectly fine. Like
50:11>> yeah, that is fine. The system now is
50:13good. You give theing thing, the guy's
50:15cheating, he's gone. It's so simple.
50:17>> You mentioned to me like you had many
50:19different names other than Warrior. Is
50:22Warrior the last name you had or does it
50:25go?
50:25>> Yeah, Warrior is my Warrior was the last
50:27one, right? Cuz I met Warrior and then
50:29go legit. So, but like I was always
50:31changing it before that. I just got
50:32stuck with warrior because some guy
50:34called me a con warrior and it just I
50:37was all right. I used to call myself a
50:39con warrior and the warrior bit stuck. I
50:41made a video one day of blueprint
50:42comment on it because I swear because he
50:44commented on it. It got 50k views. I've
50:46been making uh recollections of every
50:48wipe just so that I had the memories to
50:50look back on. Now those recollections I
50:52just put them on as public, right? And
50:53then they started getting views and
50:55that's what um kind of took the channel
50:56off in that direction where I forgot.
50:58I've kind of forgot I forgot what we
51:00talking about is this
51:02>> multiple different names and was war
51:04your last one.
51:04>> Yeah. So yeah, before that it was just
51:06like nonsense stuff like one of them was
51:08um team skank t e a m s k e n g and that
51:13was because of Noxyax. He was called
51:15team Noxy. So I was team skank was team
51:17Noxy. Yeah. And then before that it'
51:19just be like Yeah. Just just nonsense
51:21like cheating names like just stuff it
51:24they had no substance to them. I was
51:26forgotten in like two seconds just like
51:27numbers and strings and stuff cringe
51:29stuff but yeah I have many many names
51:31before that the most common one was poop
51:33I suppose I just couldn't think of
51:35anything to name it so I've got a poop
51:36because there's probably still a videos
51:38that have my voice in some guy keying me
51:41with um like aing s naked and I just
51:44snap on his head and put like 20 bullets
51:45in his head but because I've got the
51:47fast projectile on too fast like the
51:49bullets have hit the guy's head before
51:51the server can pick it up so it's
51:52glitching out so I'm not doing any
51:53damage I'm getting all invalid and I'm
51:55just like tweaking the [ __ ] out. Like,
51:56how's this guy just killed me, bro?
51:57Like, I've got 20 bullets in his head
51:58and none of them are counting. So,
52:00that's just a little that I somehow get
52:02leaked. I don't even know how. That got
52:03leaked in 2019 in EU Rust clans because
52:06we stream sniped allegedly. P95.
52:08>> Pete 95. Did you say?
52:10>> Yeah. He was on hap on the same server
52:12and it's like um we just rock up and
52:13[ __ ] his [ __ ] up and then I make like a
52:16meme mocking him because he have a
52:17discord with 10,000 people in or
52:19whatever for all you Russ players. So,
52:20it's like okay if I go I'm punching
52:22upwards there. If I just always punch
52:24upwards, bro. Same with Koko. Same with
52:25I never pushed that album on. So I just
52:27go straight for P95's neck. He makes a
52:29reaction video. That is what got those
52:31videos leaked, but he's also what
52:32started my um channel because I do work
52:35Chinese cab and stuff. Some guy I have a
52:37real job, bro, while this is going on.
52:39And some guy hack mying work. He get my
52:42national insurance number. This is a
52:44real deal crowd by the way. And we
52:45basically just agree that right, it's
52:46getting a bit serious now. I only called
52:48you a no no. So if I was you, I'd leave
52:52it. And yeah, he this guy work for the
52:54company that manage all the companies I
52:56work for. He showed a system, pull a
52:58national insurance number, he gave it to
53:00me a piece of this is this you and
53:02thinking oh man I ain't got no job [ __ ]
53:06So that imagine that was that was
53:08stressful.
53:08>> What did he ever do with the
53:09information?
53:10>> Nothing because he he wasing stolen
53:12information, right? So it's like oh it's
53:13all well and good he can go he can show
53:15anyone whatever but it's like you stole
53:16that information too but you're getting
53:18fired as well. Like you got a hell of a
53:19lot better job than me so he don't do
53:21it. But just cuz I was a kid and I can't
53:23understand the same [ __ ] word. They
53:24trigger everyone, right? That's why they
53:26use that word. Like, you know, it's not
53:28the intention behind the word. You call
53:30someone. They start tweaking out and
53:32then you start laughing at them.
53:33>> I still remember when I reacted in a
53:37comment to I don't know. You said I
53:39can't even remember what it was, but it
53:41was dumb. It was just so dumb. It didn't
53:42even need me to react to it. But of
53:44course, like you go back then I got
53:46Discord rated by you guys. Like there
53:48was there was a decent amount of you and
53:50you were all just like sitter is a
53:51stupid nword and all of this and I was
53:53just like oh [ __ ] and I just we all just
53:56uh
53:56>> I think we just blocked you and that was
53:59I think the last I really ever heard of
54:02it
54:02>> cuz that system is literally like people
54:04are all going about oh I'm getting bored
54:05online and stuff. Yeah, block them. The
54:06system works good like they have to go
54:08make a new IP address and everything.
54:10It's like you are going to outscale them
54:12faster than they can keep creating
54:14accounts. That's where the system works.
54:15Yeah, you did the right thing. You just
54:16blocked it and it went away. didn't add
54:17fuel to the fire. It's like the crone
54:19adds fuel to the fire, adds fuel to the
54:21fire, temple taps adds fuel to the fire
54:24because they are profitering downstream.
54:26And the thing is multiple groups could
54:29that then come together and form
54:31whatever I guess was AirPods click bro
54:32because they want me to run it. I'm like
54:34I am not involved in this bro like why
54:37would I ever jeopardize a channel making
54:38loads of money to wind the grown up?
54:41It's like this is such a backhanded
54:43thing. But they really will do this.
54:44They'll throw everything away just to
54:46wind the corrup and stuff. The GTA RP
54:49guys are just as bad. They'll put
54:50windows through for a bit of money. All
54:52sorts like I just did to myself for that
54:54reason. The horrible.
54:56>> This is a a perfect kind of segue into
54:58the next question. You've said there was
55:00basically an underground world operating
55:02behind Rust that most players and
55:05creators don't even know exists. What
55:07was that world?
55:08>> Yeah. Well, here's one for you then.
55:10There's a way to like validate this. I
55:11wonder if the website still exists. If
55:12you have your browser there, you can
55:13type it in. It's called
55:17I wonder if it's it was called something
55:18like this. Does that even bring a result
55:20up? I don't even know if I can see but
55:21like this where we used to get all the
55:23accounts from. It was before Helen Wong
55:25days or whatever.
55:27>> Social engineering forum.
55:30>> I guess they've renamed it. It was where
55:32you used to buy Rust accounts. But yeah,
55:33social engineering forum I guess would
55:34be the logical step for it to turn into.
55:37Um Yes.
55:38>> In Russian that
55:40>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was the OG
55:41place back. wasn't the resources there
55:44was now. There wasn't the cheats now.
55:46There wasn't there's so much more
55:47information stuff now. It's really easy.
55:49But yeah, there is a whole underworld
55:50because I used to release these videos,
55:52right? And then in the in my friends,
55:55you'd see a guy called Vendor, you'd see
55:56a guy called SN, you'd see a guy called
55:59Ais, you'd see a guy called Green Tea,
56:02you'd see a guy called Danist, you'd
56:04maybe see a guy called Sammy, you might
56:05see Russ Flame, you might see a pixel,
56:08you might see eyeball. The point is
56:10these are all like or they were well
56:12half of them make the cheats and half of
56:14them use the cheats. It's like uh so
56:16yeah there is a whole underworld but if
56:18I have all these friends imagine well
56:21I've met many other people that also
56:22have the equivalent and then it's like
56:24hang on this guy's got an army this
56:25guy's got an army. They're just waring
56:27with each other for kind of online
56:28clout. It's kind of really weird to see
56:30and an innocent person like the crow
56:32think he could have jump in on it. I was
56:33never able to stream the game in peace
56:35and they just harassed him like to his
56:40life and he actually becomes real target
56:41harassment.
56:44>> Yeah, I've seen it go pretty far many
56:46times. Um,
56:48>> it just never ends.
56:49>> I think it's time I finally introduce
56:51Lacron or as he's known in our world,
56:54the raid boss. Lone is a streamer within
56:56the Rust scene who to this day faces
56:58relentless stream sniping from cheaters,
57:00non- cheaters, some other content
57:02creators. I mean, the guy's just been
57:03put through the ringer over the years. I
57:04know a lot of people don't particularly
57:06like him, but he's never been anything
57:07but a friendly guy to me in the few
57:09instances our paths have crossed over
57:10the past 10 years or so, but I did
57:12decide to reach out to him and ask if
57:13he'd be interested to talk about it all,
57:14and he actually said yes. Uh, I'm Lone.
57:17I stream Rust. Uh, people call me the
57:20raid boss. Um,
57:24I'm not very good at raids though, so at
57:26least not anymore. But, uh, I've been
57:28streaming Russ since 2017. I don't know
57:32really what else to say honestly.
57:34>> That's fine. So, you're the victim of
57:36streamer harassment from organized
57:38groups. Can you tell me a little bit
57:40about this?
57:40>> Um, are you talking about specifically
57:42like Warriors group?
57:44>> Uh, we can generalize to begin with.
57:46>> Um, yeah. So, I think a lot of people
57:49are uh there's a few main groups that
57:51used to stream snipe me a lot. They
57:53don't really do it anymore. I think
57:54they've kind of grown out of it, but uh
57:56some of them are like um Navy Blue and
58:00Wild Mike and the IB Clan. They pretty
58:02much had like a like a Stream Sniper
58:05Discord where they would collect all of
58:07the streamers uh Steam IDs and have them
58:10in like a specific channel and uh I have
58:14screenshots somewhere. I just I don't
58:16remember where they are, but it I
58:18remember seeing specifically like all of
58:21like it was like me and like a bunch of
58:23like maybe top 20 Rush streamers and it
58:26was all our Steam IDs, all our battle
58:28metrics, what servers we played on, and
58:31people would have like a channel for
58:32each streamer and they would click on it
58:34and it would have all this information
58:36on who's going to be sniping them and
58:38when they're going to be sniping. They
58:40would post clips and all that stuff. And
58:42that was mainly I think it was Navy
58:45Blue, Wild Mike, [music] and the IB Clan
58:48who did that. I can't think of off the
58:50top of my head any like major stream
58:52sniping groups. I think that's the big
58:55one that has been targeting like
58:57streamers mainly other than like
59:00other I wouldn't call them stream sniper
59:03groups. I mean, you have Warriors group
59:05who did that to me and a couple other
59:07streamers for a while. And then there's
59:09a few other streamers who have been
59:11involved in stuff like that, but that's
59:12pretty much it.
59:13>> Are you able to tell me a little bit
59:14about Warrior's group or Warrior by
59:18himself specifically stream sniping you
59:20and the harassment and stuff that
59:21followed?
59:22>> Yeah, so this it was a long time ago, so
59:25I don't remember like all the details,
59:26but it was pretty much Warrior uh he had
59:29a teammate named Selena and he had a
59:31teammate named Oxing. It was them three
59:34that would show up all the time on
59:36servers that I would play on. Um, a lot
59:38of times it was just his two teammates,
59:42Selena and Oxing, who would show up on
59:44the same servers as me. And I would
59:46catch them in the viewer list. I would
59:47catch them sniping. Every time I would
59:50see that Warrior has been in my stream
59:51recently, but a lot of times he isn't
59:54the one that's actually doing it. It's
59:56his teammates. And then I found out
59:58that, you know, he would just sit there
59:59and watch them do that. And, you know,
1:00:02he didn't really care about it. But uh
1:00:04that was like I can't even remember how
1:00:07many years ago that was. But um it was
1:00:09mainly his teammates that were involved
1:00:11and then come to find out his teammate
1:00:14Selena was gamebanned. I don't know. I
1:00:17guess she was cheating or whatever. But
1:00:18yeah, it was just mainly them three. Um,
1:00:21I think Warriors sniped me a handful of
1:00:24times, but it's mainly him advocating
1:00:28for his teammates to go out and do that.
1:00:30And then he would just sit there and
1:00:31kind of laugh at her or watch it and he
1:00:34would just see him in in my viewer list.
1:00:35He didn't really give a [ __ ] But that's
1:00:38pretty much it when it comes to him.
1:00:39Selena, he talked about this Selena
1:00:42person.
1:00:43>> And apparently,
1:00:45you know, he said, you know, some of
1:00:46these streamers, like Slethon, for
1:00:48example, might want to check who they're
1:00:50associating with because we've had
1:00:51people in their backlines for years now.
1:00:54And Selena was one of the people. I
1:00:56believe he mentioned
1:00:57>> that was that was playing with Slethon.
1:01:00>> Not playing with him, but like I think a
1:01:02moderator maybe in the Discord or a
1:01:04moderator.
1:01:05>> I never knew about that. The only
1:01:07information that I have on Selena is
1:01:09everybody thought that Selena and
1:01:11Warrior were dating back in the day.
1:01:12That was always his teammate. Like Ox,
1:01:15it was Oxang, Selena, and Warrior. And
1:01:17they were like the dynamic, you know,
1:01:19instead of duo, a trio. It was just
1:01:21them. And then I found out recently that
1:01:23she ended up getting gamebanned. I don't
1:01:25know if she was cheating the whole time
1:01:26or what, but it's pretty much stuff like
1:01:29that. But I don't know too much more
1:01:30about her. Did Were you ever around
1:01:32during the Wild Mike days?
1:01:33>> Uh, I keep hearing about this guy. I
1:01:35don't know who he is though, but I keep
1:01:37hearing about Wild Mike.
1:01:39>> Wild Mike, he used to uh join clans
1:01:43randomly and play with them for the day
1:01:45and then he would record himself
1:01:49insighting them and their reactions and
1:01:51then post it on YouTube. So he would do
1:01:53that and then he would go stream snipe
1:01:54streamers.
1:01:55>> So you mentioned that you have thousands
1:01:57and thousands of screenshots of people
1:02:00harassing you and stream sniping you and
1:02:02mentioned like creators are as well. How
1:02:04do you think you're perceived amongst
1:02:05the Russ community?
1:02:07>> That's an interesting question because I
1:02:10feel like back then I used to complain
1:02:12about stream sniping a lot and there was
1:02:16always a lot of um it goes back to like
1:02:20Navy Blue and IB and all them. They used
1:02:23to post videos and clips of me crying
1:02:25and stream sn or complaining about
1:02:27getting stream sniped and all this
1:02:29stuff. And I feel like that type of uh
1:02:33uh I guess publicity spread to other
1:02:36streamers. And I don't know if it gave
1:02:39people bad juju or what, but I feel like
1:02:42a lot of people have this just weird
1:02:45vibe about me that just people don't
1:02:47want to mess with me. I mean, there's a
1:02:49lot of streamers that I've had beef
1:02:52with, but I don't know why I have beef
1:02:54with them. They just for some reason
1:02:56they don't like me. And I don't know. I
1:02:59don't know if it's just my personality.
1:03:00I don't know what it is, but I don't
1:03:03know. There's just a lot of streamers.
1:03:06Um I I mean I could go through them like
1:03:09me and Coco have had beef and one day
1:03:12we're cool, one day we're not. There
1:03:14isn't really like a whole lot that goes
1:03:16on. Like I've never like done anything
1:03:18specifically to any streamer that should
1:03:21make a streamer dislike me so much. But
1:03:23I I just feel like me back in the day
1:03:26complaining so much about stream snipers
1:03:28and then these videos that these stream
1:03:30snipers post on YouTube and the first
1:03:34interaction that a streamer sees is
1:03:36those videos of me. It just rubs them
1:03:38the wrong way entirely. And I think it's
1:03:42just gone widespread over the years. And
1:03:44it's just like I'm like the black cat of
1:03:47Russ essentially. Like I've never done
1:03:48anything in specific for people to hate
1:03:50me. It's just like oh this Lucron guy
1:03:53complains or I don't I don't know. But I
1:03:56wish people would you know take more
1:03:58time to get to know me and actually see
1:04:00that I'm not as bad as it seems. But I
1:04:03don't know. I just feel like my name has
1:04:05been tainted for whatever reason. It's
1:04:07nothing as specific. So yeah,
1:04:10>> it's very interesting you uh say that
1:04:13because I feel like me as a person, I'm
1:04:15in a perfect position to tell you how I
1:04:18feel about you because I don't honestly
1:04:19really know you well. I know of you.
1:04:22I've
1:04:23>> had maybe a couple of conversations over
1:04:25the years with you here and there, just
1:04:27brief ones and whatnot.
1:04:29>> I I I've seen stuff about you and heard
1:04:31stuff about you. My perception is like
1:04:34I've never had beef with you. Also, at
1:04:36the same time, you sound like someone
1:04:39that I probably shouldn't collab with or
1:04:41anything like that while, you know,
1:04:42while I was making Russ content. But
1:04:45personally, I've never had like any beef
1:04:47with you or anything. You've been
1:04:49nothing but nice to me and I feel like
1:04:51I've been respectful to you. It's just
1:04:54uh Yeah,
1:04:55>> the I think you said it perfectly. Um
1:04:57you are the black cat of rust.
1:04:59>> Yeah, I I have no idea how to fix that
1:05:01either. It's just like anytime like even
1:05:04if if I have if I have like a
1:05:07disagreement with one big streamer then
1:05:10you know he's friends with a bunch of
1:05:12different streamers and you know he's
1:05:14going to say something about that and
1:05:15then all of a sudden all these guys
1:05:17don't like me for whatever reason and
1:05:19I've tried to go to like individual
1:05:20streamers and try and like clear up beef
1:05:23and stuff but it's just I don't know
1:05:25it's just for some reason something
1:05:29about me just nobody wants to mess with
1:05:31And I wish things could change. I mean,
1:05:34maybe they are they'll gradually do it
1:05:36over time, but I think there's just so
1:05:39much I think honestly I think a lot of
1:05:42it is is that I don't collab with a lot
1:05:44of people. So, nobody actually gets time
1:05:45to know who I am. All they see is clips
1:05:48of me complaining or cuz drama sells.
1:05:51So, you're not going to see the good
1:05:53stuff. You're just going to see me
1:05:55yelling or screaming or me seem like
1:05:57this bad guy. But, I don't know. It It's
1:06:00weird though because it's like there's
1:06:01only like a few streamers that I know
1:06:03for sure I have beef with for a reason.
1:06:06Like for example like Liftomper, he
1:06:09doesn't like me because I think in like
1:06:112023 I yelled at a teammate and life it
1:06:15rubbed him the like the wrong way. He
1:06:17thought I was like bullying him. So then
1:06:19I went to life somber and like oh I'm
1:06:21sorry like I apologize this teammate. I
1:06:22didn't mean to like seem like that. And
1:06:24he's like yeah we're cool. We're cool.
1:06:26It's all good. It's all good. And then
1:06:27ever since that though, life sumper like
1:06:31openly dislikes me. And it's been like
1:06:34it's been like 3 years and it just
1:06:36there's no like letting that go. So I
1:06:40mean that is a specific instance where I
1:06:43I actually did something not directly to
1:06:46him but for some reason he's holding on
1:06:48to that. But like oil rats for example,
1:06:51I don't think he likes me but I've never
1:06:53even talked to him before. So, it's
1:06:55like, what did I do? You know,
1:06:57>> content creators speak to each other.
1:06:59>> Oh, yeah. That's another thing about
1:07:01Selena. She would always sit in my
1:07:03stream like no matter what. Like, she
1:07:05was there pretty much the entire time
1:07:08that they would snipe. They wouldn't
1:07:10just they wouldn't like leave the viewer
1:07:11list. She would just sit there. It was
1:07:13It was the strangest thing. I just never
1:07:15understood it.
1:07:16>> So, you have some pretty wild dedicated
1:07:18haters.
1:07:19>> Yes. Oh, man. this these like these guys
1:07:22are dedicated, but it it goes beyond
1:07:25that. I like we're talking like death
1:07:27threats, doxing, all kinds of stuff.
1:07:30>> You've been doc?
1:07:31>> Uh yeah, I had I had somebody find my
1:07:35dad's phone number and call him. I don't
1:07:38know how that happened, but there's just
1:07:40some pe I mean
1:07:42>> some people are just crazy, bro.
1:07:43>> Some people are just demented. It's just
1:07:45just going to happen. There's out of,
1:07:47you know, however many people are in
1:07:49Rust, some people are going to be
1:07:50actually be like full on psychotic
1:07:53>> with this website and stuff and um the
1:07:56crew of people and you said like half of
1:07:58them are like using the cheats, half of
1:08:00them are making them were these just
1:08:03like normal people, not content creators
1:08:05or anything like that. Yeah, these were
1:08:07just guys that like over the years I'd
1:08:09played like the old wife with or bumped
1:08:10into or they knew the friend of a friend
1:08:12like over Yeah, we make this group we
1:08:15call it like uh well it was an acronym
1:08:19for CC's name, right? like call record
1:08:21like uh it was just a discord
1:08:23essentially community before we have to
1:08:24move to Telegram because they always get
1:08:26banned and stuff of like 10 of us who
1:08:29yeah like one guy make this none of
1:08:31those guys they're all character
1:08:33references they had one gone but like
1:08:35yeah just essentially the equivalent of
1:08:36those who just stick around and when the
1:08:39stream ends we all jump in cord smoke a
1:08:41joint get some pizza gamble like [ __ ]
1:08:43and then someone going to justing go oh
1:08:45[ __ ] l watch this
1:08:49100 head shots come through there,
1:08:51everyone laugh, screen record it, and go
1:08:52about their day and then onto the next
1:08:54one and then onto the next one. For
1:08:55example, right, if any of this is cap,
1:08:58if this plays out and it's true, you can
1:09:00pull this out and maybe it happens in
1:09:01real time. Sleó needs to very urgently
1:09:05audit his members. Like, we've had
1:09:08moderator in this guy's channel for 5
1:09:10years, bro. You can all like they could
1:09:11have banned all your viewers, whatever.
1:09:13He somehow I'm pretty sure Selena still
1:09:15has that back door. So, you need to be
1:09:18careful. I don't know. We never do
1:09:20anything with it. I like you never do
1:09:22anything with it stuff, but like um for
1:09:24some reason he just because she's a
1:09:25girl, he give a full mod to his channel.
1:09:27It's like can do whatever then update
1:09:30title like they could do they could put
1:09:32racist [ __ ] They could do whatever. And
1:09:34he's had that mole in the back of his
1:09:36channel for years just sat there. It
1:09:38never have to get active cuz he never
1:09:40mouth.
1:09:40>> Her name was Selena.
1:09:41>> Yeah, Selena for years, bro. The only
1:09:44reason I play with this one is cuz uh
1:09:46quickly realize she the most backoring
1:09:49conniving snaking individual you ever
1:09:51met in your life. And it's like yeah
1:09:53when I need to promote a gambler or a
1:09:55casino she I will just load her account
1:09:57up with 20 quid. She going to sit in
1:09:58general pinging at everyone when she's
1:10:01burning that money through the next guy
1:10:03want to impress her. Yeah man, you go
1:10:04load that account up. Yeah, go through
1:10:06this link. Nice. The cookies just linked
1:10:07it to my coach. Cheers, bro. I make one
1:10:09casino of 7 million. [clears throat]
1:10:11>> Wow. And he tried to snag me. He tried
1:10:13to snag me, bro. We have a big fallout
1:10:15allegedly some people got robbed and
1:10:16stuff. And that's what I'm saying. It's
1:10:18like these are lumps of money like uh
1:10:22that people get, you know, six figures
1:10:25like people get a lot less money in the
1:10:28real world. So it's like it's been so
1:10:30many years now, but like yeah, allegedly
1:10:32like when people think like I just jump
1:10:35into bed with these casinos not knowing
1:10:37what I'm getting into. It's like no,
1:10:38bro. They know what they're getting
1:10:39into. The reason they use a currency,
1:10:41the reason they don't have USD, you
1:10:43know, you put your skins in the site,
1:10:45you don't get USD. They cannot give you
1:10:48USD. It's illegal. They can give you a
1:10:49currency that is valued as ever so 1%
1:10:52under USD and matches USD perfectly that
1:10:56has a stupid little Rust logo in the
1:10:58coin. And now we didn't give you
1:10:59currency. They gave you uh on-site
1:11:02balance. So it's not a casino. It's like
1:11:05what the [ __ ] But you did that till
1:11:07you're 18. So I basically this thing I
1:11:09robbed them. I actually on the way out I
1:11:11just basically take all of that as much
1:11:12I can get off all of them.
1:11:14>> I mean that's that's a very common
1:11:16practice with all not even shady
1:11:18companies but shady stuff they do like
1:11:21stuff that would be considered shady
1:11:22such as Blizzard with the Overwatch
1:11:26coins, whatever they're called. It's a
1:11:27way to get people to spend more money
1:11:29and also get around laws. Imagine when
1:11:32imagine when he jumped on the loot box,
1:11:34bro. He start open the loot boxes. He
1:11:35start opening the Pokémon cards when
1:11:36he's 8 9 years old, bro. He's hunting.
1:11:39He's hunting. He's chasing the eye. He's
1:11:40chasing the eye. Before he knows it,
1:11:42bro. He's open enough loot boxes, enough
1:11:44Pokemon packs, enough little braind
1:11:47destroying
1:11:49dopamine receptive things that just
1:11:51release a little bit doping like that
1:11:52that he gets to 18, bro. He's loading
1:11:54up. He's loading up the real casinos.
1:11:56>> Yeah, I agree. I think
1:11:58>> I think one of the beautiful things
1:11:59about um basically growing up on the
1:12:01internet is we are the first wave of of
1:12:06like adults that can like that knows
1:12:09what goes on and we'll be more
1:12:11protective of our kids and stuff.
1:12:14>> My niece said she get on Roblox.
1:12:16>> I said that last night about my niece
1:12:19they said you know she can play Roblox
1:12:21or something. I was like no it's a
1:12:22pedophile ring. No
1:12:24>> broad men. I've never played Roblox in
1:12:26my life. I don't need to jump on Discord
1:12:27and see Roblox. It's like, what are we
1:12:28doing on Roblox, bro? It's 11. You're
1:12:3120.
1:12:32>> Yeah, I know. It's It's an odd thing.
1:12:35It's, you know, it's like going to a
1:12:37children's birthday party or something
1:12:38as an adult.
1:12:40>> And there's fun games, sure, but it's
1:12:43not your party. [laughter]
1:12:44>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
1:12:47>> Whacking the pin at the kids party,
1:12:49pushing the kids out the way. So, it's
1:12:51the same thing. It's weird, bro. It's
1:12:52always been that when a guy say play
1:12:53Roblox I'm thinking oh god he's either a
1:12:55cheater or that you know I'm like that's
1:12:58another thing over the years guys would
1:13:00disappear that loads of them like where'
1:13:02that guy go oh he was doing this weird
1:13:04thing what all the time to the point
1:13:08where like you actually don't know do
1:13:08any of these guys you just know their
1:13:10discord persona just let you know where
1:13:12he is just cuz I punch the chair up or
1:13:14whatever and stuff it's like can just do
1:13:17that on the fly if I need to. [laughter]
1:13:23In the in our conversations on the
1:13:25leadup to this, it was kind of like an
1:13:27erratic all over the place conversation,
1:13:29you said you have ADHD. I do too, so I
1:13:31know what you're talking about. Uh, at
1:13:34one point you said you guys basically
1:13:36ran the game from behind. What did you
1:13:38mean by that?
1:13:40>> So, it's like the reason that when you
1:13:43put streamer mode on, they have to put a
1:13:45picture there is because Lacron has
1:13:46looked at that many [ __ ] of on the top.
1:13:49It's like, you know, uh the reason that
1:13:53the looting macro is in there is because
1:13:55we have it on the mouse to spam right
1:13:57click years before. We could do a whole
1:13:59invent of rockets in like 2 seconds and
1:14:02some [clears throat] guys see this
1:14:02release it gets added. Alt looking down,
1:14:06head up. I literally tell you need to
1:14:08fix this. I should hold breakdown. It's
1:14:10like you cannot defeat me if I can just
1:14:13hold the angle until you are quite
1:14:15literally at the perfect distance every
1:14:17time to just flick up a triple from an
1:14:18invisible position. How is that fair?
1:14:21It's like cheating. I'm looking at you
1:14:22through the wall holding the angle.
1:14:24That's ESP. Extra sensory perception.
1:14:26That's what the cheat is. So I get all
1:14:29looking up fixed. Um hollow becoming
1:14:32tier two. I wish I had done me ruin the
1:14:35game. I tell him tell him bring holo
1:14:37tier two. You don't need to be tier
1:14:38three. It's going to be so much more
1:14:39fun. It kind of just turned every It
1:14:41turned Tommy into an AK
1:14:44do. It's why I told him to do it and he
1:14:46do it. So the reality is yeah actually
1:14:47hang on is it [ __ ] their game or
1:14:49mine? Because all these little changes
1:14:50over the years we've either influenced
1:14:52or directly had added through our
1:14:56exploits. For example, the Steam array,
1:14:59I somehow managed to spam that many
1:15:00emojis. I think it's 32. There's only 32
1:15:03bits of information that a name could
1:15:05hold or something and let the emoji
1:15:07count for an extra value. So when the
1:15:09person aim at me in the game and it
1:15:10rendered my name even from a scope a
1:15:13distance, the game was closed because
1:15:15that they really return a value of 33
1:15:17when it can only do 32 and it's a fable
1:15:20exception. The game closes just shuts
1:15:22because I just found emojis to have an
1:15:25obscure name every time I'm walking out
1:15:27the front door. His game's closing
1:15:30before he shoot me and Carling tell the
1:15:32devs about this. I would add that
1:15:33further. The only way to get around it
1:15:35was you have to play in streamer mode so
1:15:37that you're not rendering the 33
1:15:39character name. I wouldn't be able to
1:15:40use that fan on your PC. You got uh like
1:15:43I've got I've got all the videos from
1:15:45Junkyard and stuff. Um I could get like
1:15:50>> Okay. Okay.
1:16:00Oh Jesus. I see him. I see him.
1:16:04guy on him.
1:16:09>> That one got leaked. So I just go under
1:16:10the map with a silenced gun and then
1:16:12just go AFK and play my phone. And then
1:16:14anyone that walk past, he just kill him
1:16:16with a silencer. I'm over the floor.
1:16:18Kyle loots him up, chops the body up.
1:16:19[laughter] There's nothing there.
1:16:21Allegedly, all my friends are just
1:16:22taxing people and doing all the maddest
1:16:25stuff. But some of them even trick me
1:16:27like gluten. I bring him to the events
1:16:29and he was scripting all the events. I
1:16:31don't need to bring a cheater. You know,
1:16:32the whole warrior brand is for legit. I
1:16:34don't Or he in his head to keep up with
1:16:36us think he need to have cheats. So he
1:16:39cheats. So he's tripling people calling
1:16:40two body shots. Talk about what the [ __ ]
1:16:42you just died. He needs 50 HP in the
1:16:43return. No, he put free in the guy's
1:16:45head. But because it's some random
1:16:47Russian Slavic girl, he's never going to
1:16:49clip it. He never going to see it. And
1:16:50he literally fool us for years. And that
1:16:52was the reason he got cut from the group
1:16:54essentially because it's like that's
1:16:56psychop, you know, psychopathic behavior
1:16:58essentially. Like he's managed to hide
1:17:00that. so well that like it's a good
1:17:02trait to have.
1:17:05It's just not for the underling
1:17:06essentially. So he got caught quick,
1:17:08bro. Like Carl said, "Don't talk to me
1:17:10anymore. We never speak to him." I was
1:17:12like the right mom.
1:17:13>> And what was his name?
1:17:14>> Gluten guy. I play with him every day
1:17:17for years when we are like best of
1:17:19friends. We'd meet we play UK in six,
1:17:21seven hours a day. That's why I'm
1:17:23thinking this guy is legit. But he's he
1:17:24meet these other clicks, these AirPods
1:17:27equivalents, these guys that sit on uh
1:17:29Rtoria USA main like these guys who play
1:17:31NA. These freak weirdos, these like you
1:17:35know they're like I don't want to say
1:17:39any names. Um
1:17:41Ferb and Chase, bro, they're fully
1:17:42innocent guys. FB, Chase, and Storm are
1:17:44fully innocent guys, but it's like I bet
1:17:47they have a whole lot of friends that
1:17:48they've met over the years from playing
1:17:50these main servers and just hanging
1:17:52around with degenerate individuals like
1:17:53I did that. Yeah, it literally all stems
1:17:57from NA. As soon as these people start
1:17:59associating with the NA kids, they want
1:18:00to be cool. They're going to literally
1:18:02they're just cheating and it's like
1:18:06now he's being
1:18:08now he's gone. And just to clarify on
1:18:11that for uh Chase and Snow are all legit
1:18:15players.
1:18:16>> All legit. Well, they're the most called
1:18:17out players. You would think Chase is
1:18:18banned on the story. They call him
1:18:20DMA20. It's like, bro, he's got into
1:18:21theing private code through manual
1:18:24review Facebook. You don't think one guy
1:18:26at Facebook punch sat down and seen
1:18:282,000 comments calling CH for cheating
1:18:31before he got added into the private
1:18:33Discord and maybe watched a little bit
1:18:35of his footage and gave it the all
1:18:37clear. All these people can convince
1:18:39themselves that the people on the TV and
1:18:41stuff are cheating in front of them is
1:18:43insane. Like
1:18:46what [ __ ] you know, you accidentally
1:18:48hit one hop through wrong. You say that
1:18:50guy's going around the corners too
1:18:52wrong. It lags and shows on the stream
1:18:54like that Claraara situation. It's never
1:18:57good unless there's new technology
1:18:59within the last five years where I've
1:19:00kind of been like offering like this DMA
1:19:03stuff where apparently you can just have
1:19:04two PCs set up and it does fully work I
1:19:07believe. But people still get banners,
1:19:09so I don't know.
1:19:11>> You kept on saying that they were trying
1:19:12to get you to run the operations or
1:19:14whatever. Um,
1:19:15>> yeah. So like Wild Mike like the
1:19:17equivalent of like airport like there
1:19:19was like so we have a very strict
1:19:22regimen
1:19:23all new game around they do what I say.
1:19:26If it's too much they're going to back
1:19:27off and it's simple. So when wild Mike
1:19:29coming around talking about yeah
1:19:31integrate us in let us work in we you
1:19:33know you can you can be this kind of
1:19:36like face for like harassing the cro I'm
1:19:40like what like I make Tik Tok so I
1:19:43harass these guys as a joke so they make
1:19:45them back so that we get mutual benefit
1:19:48but there's no real beef here. These
1:19:50guys hate this guy's guts. They don't
1:19:52know him. He's parasocial. It's insane.
1:19:54So yeah, Wild Mike, he was like the
1:19:56little general for these other little
1:19:57underlings like um characters of the
1:20:01years like I guess Bray Rags and stuff.
1:20:05What's the other one? Starky. I mean
1:20:08they're all funny guys, bro. Like they
1:20:09all make me laugh because they just take
1:20:11the piss out of the cron and stuff. But
1:20:13yeah, they come to me like we see what
1:20:15you're doing allegedly. Whatever. They
1:20:17watching stuff through screen share that
1:20:18happens to be going on in a discord
1:20:20apparently is what I was doing. So
1:20:22nothing. But they decide, can you try to
1:20:25lead us and kind of refine us into a
1:20:27better weapon to hurt the cron more? And
1:20:30I said, no, bro. Like if I don't reply,
1:20:32I just ignore it fully. I didn't give it
1:20:33any chance to manifest. But yeah, so
1:20:36they probably latched on to AirPods,
1:20:38right? Because I get invited to a
1:20:39Discord. I join it and first thing they
1:20:42tell me is, "Oh, by the way, this being
1:20:43in this Discord is a game banable
1:20:44offense." So I leave it straight away
1:20:46because they say, "Oh, yeah, AirPods
1:20:48discord and whatever." says Discord
1:20:49airport's got game for I'm thinking
1:20:51[ __ ] hell. I'm thinking what the [ __ ]
1:20:52are you doing in here for a sec, bro?
1:20:54Like it's [ __ ] he and then why did
1:20:57you bring me in here? Uh but yeah, so
1:21:01they probably launched over me.
1:21:04>> Would you consider what Tacular did ASP?
1:21:07>> What the [ __ ] Yes, these cheat, bro.
1:21:09You can see I literally wait for night
1:21:11time. I have one gun. I need I have one
1:21:13piece MP5. I don't even want to play the
1:21:16game. Don't put me on the game. I need
1:21:17to play for like six hours to make his
1:21:18money. So I can play the game. I got one
1:21:20gun I need to multiply. I'm taking out
1:21:22night time. I'm pressing alt. I'm
1:21:24changing to filter three and yes it is
1:21:26perfect daytime. That's what they're
1:21:28doing. I stopped this in 2021. His
1:21:31retort was god forbid a player needs to
1:21:33cheat to win. What the [ __ ] Well
1:21:35essentially that's what he told him
1:21:36right in that court. He said well god
1:21:38forbid a player needs a little. He was
1:21:39like god forbid I want to see my
1:21:41opponents or something was what he said
1:21:42which essentially god forbid I want to
1:21:44chew. just saying yes, son. And do you
1:21:47mean secret? Why does he get to give the
1:21:49ego thing? He's not even on stage. He's
1:21:51not even on gear. So why is he getting
1:21:52like what? They triggered his ego, I
1:21:54guess. And he he paid the price for it,
1:21:56but he he could have spun it into the
1:21:58best thing ever. He's lucky he even got
1:21:59his account back. And I said the first
1:22:00day he'll get back permanently, but he
1:22:03got back.
1:22:03>> He is perma banned. He didn't get his
1:22:05account back. He had to make a new one.
1:22:07>> That's his That's his slap on the wrist.
1:22:09AI is [ __ ] everything. And AI cheats.
1:22:11Couldn't believe it when people started
1:22:12telling me they combined AI and cheats.
1:22:14It's like, yeah, that's insane because a
1:22:16cheat already is AI, right? It's using a
1:22:18computer to aim for you. So now imagine
1:22:20they're using like AI that can see
1:22:24images and stuff.
1:22:25>> Well, that is a thing that happening
1:22:27currently
1:22:29or it's the monitors.
1:22:30>> Yeah, exactly. So it's like we never
1:22:32have that back in the day. Monitor, you
1:22:34can it'll literally spot someone off in
1:22:36the distance and put a little box around
1:22:37them and it'll predict where they're
1:22:39moving to and stuff. So if you see
1:22:40someone go through a bush and they don't
1:22:42come out the other side, it'll just have
1:22:43a box in the bush. It's kind of like
1:22:45worrying how far this is going to go.
1:22:47>> And it becomes the guy who has the most
1:22:49money wins. The Russian kid with a bomb
1:22:51kicking off and 20 FPS. You just want to
1:22:54have a bit of fun. Nice bro. You got a
1:22:55box for road in a bush. That's not fun.
1:22:58>> It's like we get on for fun no more. I
1:22:59thought video games was a fun pastime.
1:23:01I'm coming to assimilate.
1:23:02>> You said it at the start. When there's
1:23:04serious money involved, that [ __ ] goes
1:23:05out the window.
1:23:08soon as I seen 50k in a month coming or
1:23:11I think most 160k had in a week like
1:23:15it's like yeah well that's like what's
1:23:18getting rewards but it ruined your
1:23:19perception of life money value of people
1:23:23some guy a problem it's like well what's
1:23:24£10,000 give you for that problem you go
1:23:27a lot [ __ ] off it ruin your whole
1:23:30perception for life too much too young
1:23:32it just war you especially if you're
1:23:34kind of geared towards running wild with
1:23:36it like I was youing destroy my real
1:23:38life band. I eventually got half a mill
1:23:41half a mill now and I got to run it all
1:23:42back up was fun to me. Like this is the
1:23:44fun part. So before I step foot into my
1:23:47newest venture, I guess my normal life,
1:23:49I go back and I order it 11 years and
1:23:51I'm like, "Oh my god, how the we just
1:23:53had this stuff sat here, bro. Clean this
1:23:56[ __ ] up now." And it's like, yeah, that
1:23:58guy's dead now. Carl might be somewhere.
1:24:01We had to cut these three guys off. And
1:24:03it's just been a mad [ __ ] trip to
1:24:05look back on. It was never about Rust.
1:24:07Who was it?
1:24:09>> His name was Chari. Um he's almost he be
1:24:12in some of the steam groups on my
1:24:13account was wreck your bones. I guess
1:24:15that was his name. He was um he was like
1:24:17one of the first people to get skaked in
1:24:19the CSG. That was his thing. That's all
1:24:22he used to do. He needed a lick, bro.
1:24:24Cuz he have such a low UID. Like he have
1:24:26like some stupid low ID that mean like
1:24:29he get the cheat super early. He sell
1:24:30that account. But like as soon as you
1:24:32give him some crypto, bro, you just
1:24:34probably why the universe kill him. He
1:24:36just had a heart attack and he was not
1:24:37like massively fat and he was only 20.
1:24:40Really weird because Yeah. Like he he
1:24:42just scammed people for a ski account.
1:24:44Didn't he have a ski cheat, bro? The
1:24:45only him and a guy called me. Me either
1:24:50guy if you found him. It's like he have
1:24:52a ski cheat as well. They're the only
1:24:53two people that ever seen with the ski
1:24:55cheat sheet. It never even get released.
1:24:56I don't think that would have been
1:24:58insane. Um because this was before
1:25:00cheats were popular. You couldn't just
1:25:01Google cheats. It was I know a guy who
1:25:03knows a guy who's going to pay for an
1:25:04invite to rush glory to Aim kit to evil
1:25:07cheats to anyone I don't ninja to
1:25:08Kwware. You should look up this
1:25:10individual bro because I I could never
1:25:11get to the bottom of it. He's Australian
1:25:13so you might you might like it. He's
1:25:14called Freestyler. Just call type in
1:25:16freestyler rust like Australia whatever
1:25:19at some point like I believe he was the
1:25:21same time period. I always wonder if
1:25:23there was a crossover but um yeah
1:25:25freestyler was doing some [ __ ] I could
1:25:27never figure out and that was so many
1:25:28years ago. I wonder what he's up to.
1:25:30There's a connection with a guy called
1:25:31Swirl, S W U R L the links just die off.
1:25:36I can trace them all back through. I've
1:25:37got loads of Steam groups. I got loads
1:25:39of pictures. I still got loads of videos
1:25:40and stuff, but not as much as I had. I
1:25:42genuinely had terabytes of stuff. In
1:25:44fact, I'll show you the hard drive.
1:25:46People think I'm not even like telling
1:25:48the truth, bro. Like, it was all on it,
1:25:50but um
1:25:55I I'll remove all the cloud-based files,
1:25:57right? all the stuff we speak about all
1:25:59this stuff. It took many many weeks.
1:26:02Then you just left with the hard drives.
1:26:04I don't know what I did, but I was all
1:26:06right. I'll just have one hard drive
1:26:07left. It's going to have all my memories
1:26:08with the boys who've died and stuff and
1:26:10maybe some of the less nice stuff we did
1:26:12to look back on. I must have destroyed
1:26:14it or something as well with with all of
1:26:16the uh physical material. So, it's gone
1:26:19unfortunately.
1:26:20>> What are the worst things you personally
1:26:22did like during those years, do you
1:26:24think? if you want to say
1:26:25>> I guess um just looking for problems. I
1:26:28just like you know it's like I'm going
1:26:29to go and up suspect he just well they
1:26:33allegedly all these guys all the casinos
1:26:35allegedly like I just don't know what to
1:26:38back to back [laughter]
1:26:39but um you know they'll come back anyway
1:26:42but I do that. So allegedly, yeah, we
1:26:45just take we just take place like lots
1:26:47and lots of know little bit 500 quid
1:26:50here, 100 quid, not much. Little little
1:26:52bits of money from these casinos over
1:26:53the years. They just slip off and cuz
1:26:55they're evil, bro. You know, make them 7
1:26:57million. That's horrendous. Just one of
1:26:59them above 10 plus sevening million. And
1:27:03they're always popping up, bro. Every
1:27:04week. What do we delve into, though?
1:27:06This is the most nefarious
1:27:07misunderstood. I can back this up with
1:27:09real stuff. I went to Rome, bro.
1:27:11Remember the sauce. I went to bomb the
1:27:12hole with the casinos. But they spent
1:27:14£500,000 in one night in the club, bro.
1:27:16I've never seen anything like this. I
1:27:18never met Imam. You know, Imam is, bro.
1:27:20I swear to you, I'm thinking this guy is
1:27:22homeless. And I'm thinking I'm going to
1:27:24rock him right now. And the guy told me
1:27:25that he's worth closer to a billion. I'm
1:27:28thinking, oh my god, what the [ __ ] Cuz
1:27:31I'm thinking he's some cracking mushy. I
1:27:33love you. I love you. I'm What the [ __ ]
1:27:34Cuz I'm with this [ __ ] S ger. He's
1:27:37like, oh no, that's the imam. He spent
1:27:39500 bikes, bro, on that party for the
1:27:40night. And that was when I went and met.
1:27:43that owns casinos because I wanted to
1:27:44get a job. Didn't have any contacts. I'm
1:27:46just going to rock up and hang around
1:27:48outside the building till I catch
1:27:49someone. I could probably convince him
1:27:50to give me a job eventually. Like who
1:27:52the jump on a plane to Malt on a wing
1:27:54notice with a pre-existing channel ready
1:27:56to go and 7 million generated for these
1:27:58people. So I started doing slots, didn't
1:28:00I? I mean the starting wage is £6,000 a
1:28:02month and and I off back
1:28:05six grand a month on top of what you get
1:28:07from streaming. You can [snorts] easily
1:28:08do 10 bags a month because six is built
1:28:11there. two from YouTube, two from
1:28:12Twitch, but that's the method. You get
1:28:1410 10 a month cushy living and you'll
1:28:16get six from the gambling sponsor, but
1:28:18you have to sell you some. But it's a
1:28:19horrendous industry starting salary six
1:28:22bags a month. This meeting up with guys
1:28:24claiming 250 a month and they are like
1:28:26the biggest guns I ever seen.
1:28:28>> Is this just a guy from the casino you
1:28:31were at in Malta or is this a Russ
1:28:33casino owner?
1:28:34>> There's loads of these guys. So every
1:28:35year they all link up in Malta, right?
1:28:38And they just get [ __ ] up and it
1:28:40becomes this kind of like I'm a flex
1:28:42like this guy coming from a he look like
1:28:44the [ __ ] like evil evil bro they got
1:28:49midgets in the club dancing they got
1:28:51women sp demonic I' never been in it I
1:28:54got the I wonder if I still have the
1:28:55pictures I've been through like six
1:28:56phones since then and I got bro I got a
1:28:58graphine phone here that'll destroy
1:28:59itself when I put a passcode in. So, if
1:29:01you want to buy that off me, bro. If
1:29:02anyone wants to buy pre-loaded phones,
1:29:03grab me and there's my plug. I'll sell
1:29:05you pass code indestru. That's not
1:29:07illegal. So, I don't have the pictures
1:29:10of they got midgets doing demonic [ __ ]
1:29:13They're lighting fire. It's like
1:29:14rituals. The guys the G wagon in thising
1:29:17robe, bro, with like all etchings in and
1:29:19it's like
1:29:21this is just evil. It's evil to the
1:29:23core. Very strange people. It seems a
1:29:26random NPC. But the owners of some of
1:29:28these cuz you just leave out in mobile
1:29:30as well because it's 5% tax. You pay 30%
1:29:335%. They give you 30 back as a
1:29:35government and you pay five. But I
1:29:37really want nothing else to do with it
1:29:39because I learn of the knock on effect.
1:29:40It's like I'm massively hyperaggressive.
1:29:42I'm massively paranoid. I open door in
1:29:44real life. I expect some dick to be
1:29:46right on the other side of it because my
1:29:49whole thinking neural pathways have been
1:29:51molded since uh childhood is rough. So
1:29:54for that reason I want to blow the lid.
1:29:56I was trying to bid off everything so
1:29:58that maybe some resource helped one or
1:30:01two people and actually leave on a good
1:30:03note and not a bad.
1:30:04>> At this point the interview had been
1:30:06going on for a long time. So we decided
1:30:07to have a little intermission. So when
1:30:09you see Warrior come back with a
1:30:10different shirt on that's why. When you
1:30:12got back from Malta one trip you were
1:30:15arrested. I've looked everywhere for the
1:30:16video. I remember seeing it at the time.
1:30:18I'm like what the what's going on there?
1:30:19>> There's nothing foring ruinsome bro.
1:30:21There's nothing you won't find anything.
1:30:23Well, you might find a video on Twitter
1:30:25from Carl that he posted where he's
1:30:27telling the guy that he needs [ __ ]
1:30:28metal frags to repair my door. Yeah, it
1:30:30cost me [ __ ] 2,000 quid that been on
1:30:32for 3 days, maybe. I got that door put
1:30:34on while I was out with the country.
1:30:36>> Would you be interested in talking about
1:30:38why or what happened there or anything
1:30:40like that?
1:30:40>> Yeah, I got I got released. I just got a
1:30:42warning. Um, it was threat to kill
1:30:44allegedly.
1:30:45>> What happened there
1:30:46>> in Muller? I allegedly threatened to
1:30:48kill someone, but God knows like what
1:30:51such a strange sequence of events that
1:30:53should not even make sense. Allegedly,
1:30:55I've had an argument with someone, a
1:30:56friend to do them in. They've called the
1:30:58police when they've come back to the UK.
1:31:00They only been back for a few hours.
1:31:01We're all just smoking, B in the garage,
1:31:02chilling, watching my footy. So,
1:31:04everyone come back to my house. There
1:31:05was Carl um another person and they all
1:31:09going back to different countries. It
1:31:10was sick. It was actually like a mental
1:31:12trip. Good time. I'm just finishing off
1:31:14a join CC's in so much for you. I hear
1:31:16these car doors slamming [clears throat]
1:31:18every time I'm smoking or anytime in
1:31:20general. I hear car doors slamming. Who
1:31:21the [ __ ] slamming car doors? So I put my
1:31:23head out the garage. There's beds coming
1:31:26down allegingly. I guess this is all
1:31:27like finished. I guess so. So you can
1:31:28just talk about it, right? I assume. So
1:31:30I've got the [ __ ] thing that says
1:31:31it's all done and dusted. I don't see
1:31:32why I wouldn't be able to. So yeah, I
1:31:33seen all these beds coming the garden
1:31:35back inside literally as I've got the
1:31:37door locked. What? They're on the
1:31:39handle. A few weeks before they were
1:31:41trying to get in and they couldn't get
1:31:42in for another issue. Um, similar thing
1:31:45with a different person I think. So
1:31:47they're outside going mad. Loads of
1:31:49them. I'm so [ __ ] g [laughter]
1:31:53but the other guys he he's not he can't
1:31:55smoke this green, bro. He keeps whiting.
1:31:57He keeps throwing. He know he's out of
1:31:59his depth. So on the sofa chilling, feet
1:32:02up doing his thing. TV's on. Obviously
1:32:04mashing the door up. Come out. Come out.
1:32:05Come out. Turn all the lights off. We
1:32:06get all the boys upstairs. I'm like,
1:32:08what the [ __ ] are we going to do?
1:32:09Essentially, I'm like they shouldn't be
1:32:11able to get in. I am just a normal
1:32:13streamer, not a criminal. I have no
1:32:15previous thingies. They should not be
1:32:17able to smash him. Like need a [ __ ]
1:32:19warrant or whatever. And uh yeah, we're
1:32:21just in the dark. It's like 10 at night.
1:32:23This other guy's taking a piss. He don't
1:32:25give a me and Cece are tweaking. Well,
1:32:27mostly I'm tweaking, I guess, cuz it's
1:32:29my G. So he looks out the window.
1:32:31Flashlight's coming up. Is that all
1:32:32black? Oh, [ __ ]
1:32:35That's like the armed ones. So they're
1:32:37probably going to get in this door that
1:32:38I've literally just had put on 3 days
1:32:40ago. The guy's telling me if they can
1:32:42get in, forget it. I want a sound. I'm
1:32:43like, but they might get in anyway. So,
1:32:45we got time. So, we hear like a bomb off
1:32:47chilling. So, just up, figure it all
1:32:49out. Before I know it, the [ __ ] door
1:32:52just comes off. And yeah, they're in
1:32:54now. Armed police make yourself known.
1:32:56And the other guys like I think we
1:32:58should make ourselves known like the
1:32:59alternative being get shot and killed
1:33:02obviously. So, we are to come down these
1:33:04stairs. Hands up. That's essentially the
1:33:06main story.
1:33:08>> That's a pretty serious
1:33:11to relive it. Yeah. Yeah.
1:33:12>> It's a pretty serious response to just
1:33:14saying, you know, I'll I'll kill you or
1:33:15something to someone.
1:33:16>> He said, well, apparently it's a threat
1:33:17to kill. Yeah. It's a threat to a human
1:33:19life, so they have to follow it up and I
1:33:20didn't answer the dog. So, that's fair.
1:33:22Fair fair enough. Makes sense. I was
1:33:24just trying to figure I was just like
1:33:25confused, right? I just landed. I don't
1:33:27know the going on. I guess if previously
1:33:29they think I might not have been in or
1:33:30for whatever reason, not answered the
1:33:32door on a previous attempt where they
1:33:34couldn't get in. It's like two times on
1:33:36record they can't get in. Maybe that
1:33:38seems like they probably want to get in
1:33:39and figure some [ __ ] out. They come with
1:33:40some pretty heavy force. And yeah, we're
1:33:42all just downstairs now. Three guys,
1:33:44three different nationalities. No
1:33:46plausible like this scenario just looks
1:33:49[ __ ] weird. And I've got all the
1:33:50malest Oh, bro. I still got all theing
1:33:52proper [ __ ] [ __ ] cars and stuff
1:33:55and [ __ ] and stinking away like you know
1:33:56they see me smoking weed and stuff. So
1:33:59depressed. Like the cob was mad. I'm
1:34:01fast as [ __ ] and he put my arms around
1:34:03my back and [ __ ] and it's like I I lost
1:34:06the footage. I made them send me the
1:34:08footage. They give you a week to
1:34:09download it. I didn't realize. I just
1:34:11honestly I didn't feel like taking the
1:34:12piss putting it out. But um you know
1:34:16they searched my house and because there
1:34:18was um a weapon they said an offensive
1:34:21weapon. Yeah. They got charged with
1:34:22possession offensive weapon this they
1:34:24said there was a zombie knife a big like
1:34:2515in zombie knife next to the bed which
1:34:28is actually not really true. But it was
1:34:30maybe somewhere like there but allegedly
1:34:31come downstairs whatever it was if I
1:34:33don't know but no one say word bro if
1:34:36police come just unmute your mic the
1:34:38further you know he can say to you that
1:34:39you are now under whatever blah blah
1:34:41blah it's like that just means all this
1:34:43is now going to be shown to you again
1:34:44when you're appear in that courtroom in
1:34:46front of some people so that's all
1:34:48they're telling you just unplug your mic
1:34:50you don't know anything so we all just
1:34:51mu if no one tells me who's knes you're
1:34:54all going and I'm like come on no one's
1:34:56a [ __ ] word and he just grabs me cuz
1:34:58I'm the voteer I'm Alex. I'm who they
1:35:00come for. He said, "Who's Alex?" Who's
1:35:01Alex? No one tell who Alex is. CeCe's
1:35:03trying to crack jokes and [ __ ] and I'm
1:35:05kicking him in the leg, bro. I'm getting
1:35:07pressed cuz I'm like, "Shut the up,
1:35:09man." He's like, "Oh, you're such a good
1:35:10guy." He just flies all around. Yeah,
1:35:11mom. Just keep keep [ __ ] talking.
1:35:13What are you doing? Like the other guy's
1:35:15not clocking up, shut up. The cop just
1:35:18turns and tells K's weird. Go. You're
1:35:20just weird, man. So, honestly, we all
1:35:22burst out laughing and stuff. So, yeah.
1:35:24They bagged me up, take me off to uh to
1:35:27the cells because there was uh class B
1:35:30drugs and there was a zombie on it
1:35:32allegedly.
1:35:32>> Who was the person who called the
1:35:34police? You don't have to say that
1:35:35either, by the way. Like someone like
1:35:37the Rust community would know or or was
1:35:39it a Russ player friend?
1:35:40>> No, no, no. It was it was a civilian. It
1:35:42was just a civilian who got caught up in
1:35:44wrong.
1:35:45>> I directed the conversation back towards
1:35:47Rust where we began to speak about
1:35:48Coconut B and his theory on Warrior.
1:35:50>> Coco has been right for years, bro.
1:35:52That's what I'm saying. Like it's not
1:35:53that anyone's right or wrong. It's like
1:35:55um I guess it kind of come pre cuz it
1:35:57was all years ago. But you just don't
1:35:59give oxygen to the fire that needs to
1:36:01burn. So you just ignore if has nothing
1:36:03to latch on to. No one's going to find
1:36:05these profiles. The only person that
1:36:06have them is face punch and um Reddit
1:36:08admins and stuff. If Reddit adins have
1:36:09them then they all share lists. So that
1:36:10means all the Russ servers must know
1:36:12about me. That guy was yeah in theory
1:36:14right but not as warrior. I was like a
1:36:17kid. So technically was a warrior. But
1:36:19yeah
1:36:19>> to summarize what Koko was right about.
1:36:22What exactly was Koko right about?
1:36:24>> Let's talk about it. Let's let's let's
1:36:26talk about what's going on.
1:36:27>> During the video, Warrior said that your
1:36:30theories were bang on. What were those
1:36:32theories?
1:36:33>> So, back during CO, I got hit up. Now,
1:36:36this is this is like the weird thing.
1:36:38Like, I'm actually I want to tell you
1:36:40this. I didn't I haven't told you this
1:36:41yet, but back in CO, I got hit up by uh
1:36:45multiple cheating organizations saying,
1:36:46"Hey, we'll give you an x amount of
1:36:48money uh if you promote our product. It
1:36:50could be inconspicuous. All you got to
1:36:51do is name drop us a couple times like
1:36:53like 12 20 promotions. We'll give you
1:36:56upwards of I don't know like $150,000.
1:36:58Like a a lot of money. A lot of money.
1:37:01And to me back then, I mean, it still is
1:37:03a lot of money, but to me back then that
1:37:04was life-changing money. So, how these
1:37:07guys actually hit me up was through
1:37:09Telegram. You you know what Telegram is
1:37:11for Winter?
1:37:11>> Recently had to learn about it. Uh
1:37:14because that's how Warrior wants to
1:37:15communicate.
1:37:16>> H Okay. So like Telegram is like an
1:37:19encryption messaging software, but the
1:37:21thing about Telegram is you can only
1:37:22message people if you have like their
1:37:24direct number, right? So it's like my
1:37:26theory, my theory is these cheating
1:37:29organizations are actually it's either
1:37:31someone in my network gave my
1:37:34information away or a Russ casino is
1:37:37running these operations and they use
1:37:39that number to give my number away
1:37:41because I use Telegram to communicate
1:37:42with casinos. That's my theory because
1:37:44it's these Russ casinos, they have so
1:37:46much liquidity, why not invest it into
1:37:48cheating software and have a cheating
1:37:49organization and make even more money.
1:37:51You know what I mean? That's my theory.
1:37:52I I have no proof about it. I'm not name
1:37:54dropping anyone either. I don't know
1:37:56who's guilty, but that's that's my
1:37:58theory
1:37:59>> from the context I got while speaking to
1:38:01Warrior. The theory that seemed he
1:38:04seemed to be talking about was you being
1:38:07right about cheating and stream sniping
1:38:11and so on.
1:38:12>> Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm I'm spot on.
1:38:14Like I I think I I think Temple Taps was
1:38:16just the like he there's no surely he
1:38:19can't be the only creator that's been
1:38:20promoting cheats, right? Like there's no
1:38:22way that he's the only person that's
1:38:24been involved in this. Nah, I I don't
1:38:26buy it. I think uh I think a couple
1:38:28people are guilty [music] and they took
1:38:31the deal. You know,
1:38:32>> I've spoken to Temple Taps and asked if
1:38:35he'd like to do an interview as well. He
1:38:37agreed, but then towards the end of the
1:38:39night, he said that he was now too wiped
1:38:42to do the interview and just sent me an
1:38:448-minute recording of his voice giving
1:38:46his thoughts and whatnot. I actually
1:38:48haven't listened to it yet, but I have
1:38:51that sitting there, but I imagine it's
1:38:53the the same script that we've been
1:38:56hearing.
1:38:57>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it probably is. I was
1:39:00kind of hoping to get him in an
1:39:01interview as well, so I could uh give
1:39:03him a couple more invasive questions, I
1:39:06guess, but maybe he saw that coming and
1:39:08decided it was best to go against it,
1:39:11you know?
1:39:11>> Well, I mean, like, if you're innocent,
1:39:13bro, you you should come on and just
1:39:15talk about it, you know? Like, I'm
1:39:16actually I think he knows the reason why
1:39:19he got banned. He's still playing
1:39:20stupid, which there's people in his
1:39:22community that believe him. And like I
1:39:24said, I said [music] that if I'm wrong
1:39:26about this, I will apologize. I I said
1:39:29that I said if I'm completely wrong
1:39:31about this and this isn't real, like
1:39:33yeah, like I'll apologize. But what do
1:39:35you think about the whole Temple Taps
1:39:36thing? You think uh you think there's
1:39:38more to meet the eye or you think he was
1:39:40scripting? Cuz I I don't think he was
1:39:41scripting. I don't think he was
1:39:43cheating.
1:39:43>> As someone who really looked into this
1:39:46whole story and covered this story, it's
1:39:48hard to believe he was actually
1:39:49scripting. I mean, maybe like I can't
1:39:53see face punch flying. Um, but also
1:39:57maybe, you know, they didn't give the
1:39:59whole truth.
1:39:59>> I think they have to lie. I think they
1:40:01have to lie to say face because they
1:40:03don't want more creators selling and
1:40:04endorsing cheats. So, it's a lot easier
1:40:06to say he was using a third party
1:40:08software. And it's better for the
1:40:10company. It's a smart move as well
1:40:12because who wants to promote that [ __ ]
1:40:13right? Like, as a company, why would you
1:40:15want to promote that and be like, "Hey,
1:40:16this guy got banned for big money deals
1:40:18and if you're desperate, it's there."
1:40:20You know what I mean? So, I think it's
1:40:21just like a big corporate like company
1:40:23move on. It's a smart move. I'd do the
1:40:24same move if I was face punch. I think
1:40:27uh I think my theory was spot on. But
1:40:29you did happen to have this
1:40:30conversation. I have to ask you a
1:40:32question. You you talked about how
1:40:33warrior is kind of blowing the nail here
1:40:35and he's kind of blowing loose with
1:40:36what's going on. Like what what did he
1:40:38talk about with you?
1:40:39>> So after everything you've heard and
1:40:41I've shown you, what do you think of
1:40:43Warrior as a person?
1:40:45>> Warrior as a person. I think he's a
1:40:47[ __ ] piece of [ __ ] I think he's a
1:40:49[ __ ] piece of [ __ ] and he hates on
1:40:51creators that made it because it reminds
1:40:52him of his own [ __ ] failures. And I
1:40:54think he screens slipes creators and he
1:40:56tries to grief. Here's what I think in
1:40:58the creator world is I think in the in
1:41:00the game of Rust like our game, this
1:41:01doesn't apply to other games. I think uh
1:41:04I think intention is everything. And if
1:41:06you're entire concept of content is to
1:41:09grief and screen snipe creators and try
1:41:11to ruin their [ __ ] and what they got
1:41:13going on just because their their light
1:41:15shines a little brighter than yours. I
1:41:17think that kind of tells everything
1:41:18about who you are as an artist.
1:41:20Successful artists don't smear other
1:41:22artists art just for existing. And I
1:41:25[music] think uh I'd love for the chance
1:41:27to knock him the [ __ ] out and I would
1:41:28love for the chance to hurt him in a
1:41:30boxing ring. We talked about it, but he
1:41:32hopped on some steroids. And you know, I
1:41:35think if you hop oning juice, you have
1:41:38no right to criticize anyone what they
1:41:40look like, especially when your genetic
1:41:42natural is what it was. So that's that's
1:41:45my thought on him as a person. Do I am I
1:41:48happy about where his career has is
1:41:50headed? Honestly, no. I don't think I've
1:41:54ever been happy about like a guy that
1:41:56I've had problems with like and their
1:41:57dream kind of dies cuz it's again it's
1:42:00how can I hate on someone that has the
1:42:02same dream as me, you know, winner. Like
1:42:04we're all we're all in this ecosystem
1:42:06together and we're all creators here and
1:42:08we're all this is what we we do to eat
1:42:10and provide. So yeah, it does feel
1:42:13negative and like I do feel bad for him
1:42:16reclin declining in viewership and he's
1:42:19getting complacent in it. But I mean
1:42:20this is like nothing new. This is like
1:42:22what the third time he's deleted all his
1:42:24[ __ ] and [ __ ] just tucked tail and
1:42:26walked away. Where's the love for your
1:42:28community? What about what about your
1:42:29community and the people that supported
1:42:31you? No explanation. You're just going
1:42:32to walk away after they supported you
1:42:34fulfill your dreams.
1:42:36[ __ ] off.
1:42:37>> He just was like, "Oh, Warriors just
1:42:39used to be this mad cheater." and it was
1:42:41like nah no [laughter]
1:42:43like yeah it just bang on
1:42:45>> I feel like Lronone's been bought up a
1:42:47bunch this guy this guy sounds like he
1:42:49is going through the ringer with these
1:42:51people harassing the [ __ ] out of him do
1:42:52you think it's going like too far for
1:42:54Lacron or
1:42:55>> depends if you're looking at Lacron or
1:42:57Vinnie right it's he probably know just
1:42:59he can't be that stupid bro I think he
1:43:01just playing into it because like Temple
1:43:03taps he kind of become stuck in so while
1:43:05he might not have been profiteering
1:43:07through subs his way to recoup it He's
1:43:10giving them the clips they need to sell
1:43:12their scripts. So people are going to
1:43:14tune in to laugh and watch and mock him.
1:43:16His role is the jester. I had to be
1:43:18thising killer machine putting stuff
1:43:20down throughout. His role was to be the
1:43:21jester. So he's directly um profiting
1:43:24off that underworld there just through a
1:43:26different mechanism to temple tops.
1:43:28>> How is he profiting off of this?
1:43:30>> Because like there's no he know that
1:43:32like if you just don't give attention to
1:43:34him, it goes away. So he make it into a
1:43:37massive scene, bro. The only time his
1:43:39[ __ ] clips are making, clips are
1:43:41popping, views are flying up is when
1:43:43he's tweaking about some hacker and he's
1:43:45just lost like an inver rockets. Other
1:43:46than that, no one cares. He's crawling
1:43:48through the jungle with a s. That's the
1:43:50penultimate finale. It's not the raid.
1:43:52He's become built to this system of
1:43:54being the guy that no one likes, but
1:43:55it's just an ax. It's probably and it
1:43:57pays better than a regular job. So, he's
1:43:59stuck doing it and now he's engaged and
1:44:01that's mad to me. What's your husband do
1:44:02for a living? He pretend to get mad at
1:44:04kids online. That's awesome. Another
1:44:07thing that interests me with the temple
1:44:08situation is I remember years ago that
1:44:11Twitch implemented a rule that if you
1:44:13are a cheater, you're perma banned from
1:44:15the website or banned to some degree or
1:44:17something like that.
1:44:18>> You can't display any cheating content
1:44:20and stuff like box stuff and [ __ ] like
1:44:22that. Yeah, you're gone, bro. If that's
1:44:23what you're doing, you're gone. So, how
1:44:25the is not cheats and face punch and and
1:44:29face punch come out and said he was
1:44:30cheating as well. No.
1:44:31>> Yeah, they did.
1:44:32And there's the whole thing just like
1:44:34>> I brought the conversation back to
1:44:36streamers being extorted where warrior
1:44:38alleges that a popular Rush streamer had
1:44:39hired one of his stream snipers who had
1:44:41made a dedicated channel to messing with
1:44:42said streamer basically to get him to
1:44:44stop harassing him. I remember you
1:44:46saying allegedly got extorted 1.5k.
1:44:49>> Oh uh no well I don't know. He was
1:44:51paying him 50 a video for quite a while.
1:44:53I don't know what it probably work out
1:44:54like couple like he would say yeah I'm
1:44:56just off to work. Like he stopped me
1:44:58quit. He loved it. He was getting paid
1:44:59[ __ ] loads because a smart guy. He
1:45:02see an individual making really good
1:45:04videos but also just so he's like just
1:45:07make the videos then.
1:45:08>> So what he became editor
1:45:10>> and then the other he was was he paying
1:45:12for editing or was he just paying for
1:45:13leave him alone with the cheeks?
1:45:15>> Yeah I imagine probably a bit of both
1:45:16but I also don't think had a very
1:45:19successful YouTube channel from memory
1:45:21like he's a success. [clears throat]
1:45:22It was like it was like 50 quid but to
1:45:24my kid that's that's his cheeks up. You
1:45:26pay his cheeks up.
1:45:30[laughter] Keep loving it.
1:45:31>> So the next part that I bring up is
1:45:33about his relationship with a trans
1:45:34person which I brought up because I know
1:45:36you'd all kill me if I didn't. This is
1:45:38what he had to say about it.
1:45:39>> She did love it probably to be honest.
1:45:40She love it like she but yeah I did
1:45:42definitely worry because like bro they
1:45:44send my parents stuff loads of [ __ ] like
1:45:45they try to extort me and blackmail me
1:45:47like loads of times with those leaks.
1:45:48It's like I made the leaks. So then I
1:45:50actually go take that back to my mom and
1:45:51dad just say before it comes to you from
1:45:54someone else.
1:45:57I've done it for like people understand
1:45:59how like years and years and years like
1:46:01it's not just
1:46:03on the street. [snorts] I was supposed
1:46:05to go and see Maria about three or four
1:46:07years ago but I ended up getting a real
1:46:09relationship that went on for quite a
1:46:10few years and then when I got out I was
1:46:12like well I was randomly just thinking
1:46:13oh the [ __ ] Mar up to then text me
1:46:15like call me [ __ ] like start liking my
1:46:18[ __ ] is like what the cuz I swear down
1:46:19bro you think about some [ __ ] going to
1:46:21happen so she's like look at my stuff
1:46:22whatever you see how I say she it's like
1:46:25this person has had facial
1:46:27reconstructive surgery this person can
1:46:30play a girl better than a girl it's mad
1:46:33but like because you will say like he
1:46:35say she like you don't really suck if
1:46:37you hang around with the real world
1:46:39other than being 6'4 genuinely like uh
1:46:42and I guess big feet it's mad because I
1:46:44choose to approach you with open mind I
1:46:46was taking train and test and all these
1:46:48drugs. It's like how am I any different
1:46:49to putting hormones in my body? I want
1:46:51to see what the inner mechanisms of this
1:46:54person's mind actually has. This
1:46:56person's also clearing like big money on
1:46:58old fans and [ __ ] and this person teach
1:47:00me how to cook rice. It's like what the
1:47:02[ __ ] Why? I learned how to meal prep
1:47:04off the back end of ragging around. All
1:47:06the comments are just all about that
1:47:08now. But the reality was I just needed
1:47:09to try and generate a bit of media and
1:47:11hype. So, I thought, well, if I'm going
1:47:12I'll try and recoup some funds out of
1:47:14the trip and uh I'll post it because
1:47:18it's like some guys have leaked that it
1:47:19will happen anyway by like monitoring
1:47:21what's going on and stuff. So, I have to
1:47:23lean into it. So, I just lean into
1:47:25>> I notic you leaned into it pretty
1:47:26heavily.
1:47:27>> Of course, cuz otherwise like uh it
1:47:28takes the power away from it, right? If
1:47:30you give the power to the item to have
1:47:32control over you, it just never works.
1:47:34So, I just anything I do public I I just
1:47:38brandish it down. So, this is the note I
1:47:40kind of want to end on. After hearing
1:47:42everything that you've said to me today
1:47:44and like at the end of this
1:47:45conversation, it feels like the person
1:47:48you're exposing the most out of anyone
1:47:50is yourself.
1:47:52>> Unfortunately, yes. It's like people
1:47:54want me to give them all kinds of stuff.
1:47:56But yeah, the reality is because I'm not
1:47:58worried about act. It's like technically
1:48:01it'll be Alex. But yeah, you know, I
1:48:03just start this warrior channel last
1:48:05three weeks without getting banned or
1:48:06whatever. Here we are. Like it's been a
1:48:08whole
1:48:09weird range of things happened on the
1:48:11way. But yeah, but now I'm bored of
1:48:13doing that. It's like and it ends up
1:48:14talking about broad rage went this and
1:48:17that. It's like no quite the opposite
1:48:20rage was temporarily used as a way to
1:48:21generate a bit of content in a window
1:48:23where it lined up with putting some more
1:48:24muscle mass on my friend. That's all,
1:48:26bro. And you just saw that through the
1:48:28lens of the Tik Tok. It's the parasocial
1:48:30weirdos, bro, that think they know you
1:48:32and stuff about come do this and that.
1:48:34It's like you don't need to tell me you
1:48:35do anything. If you're outside, I'm
1:48:36going to see you. You're outside when I
1:48:37see you. If you're not, you're not. I
1:48:38don't care. You're a loser, bro. I
1:48:40didn't go commenting on people's stuff
1:48:42in my life. Like if it's a friend and
1:48:44stuff maybe, but never catch me leaving
1:48:45that weirdo like proper just creature
1:48:48level hatred like these guys do and
1:48:51stuff. I don't know. But it always
1:48:52annoyed me. That's why like um give me
1:48:54the flack for being let the guy come up,
1:48:57but I never was like I actually turned
1:48:59them all down. But Rusty a villain
1:49:00>> and it was a good paying job. I I
1:49:02literally say to myself, I'm willing to
1:49:04accept like half of whatever the work
1:49:06like half whatever a normal wage is in
1:49:08order to uh play a video game all day.
1:49:11Before you know it, yeah, you soon pass
1:49:12that. But then you could argue, yeah,
1:49:14cuz you just one guy wait a ton of
1:49:17crypto that he got from cheats or some
1:49:18just juice you up like Temple Tops, you
1:49:20know. And I guess the argument is was it
1:49:23streaming at Pizza in Progress as the
1:49:24door said, or was it just having a laugh
1:49:27with the boys? There was a bit of
1:49:28streaming going on in the background. It
1:49:30might have been more so the second
1:49:32eruption.
1:49:36>> So, after everything I've just shown
1:49:38you, what's your thoughts now about
1:49:40Warrior?
1:49:41>> Honestly, I mean, he obviously seems
1:49:43like somebody that just wants you guys
1:49:44back. That's why he's here.
1:49:45>> I kind of suspected I have spoken to
1:49:48Warrior and he's been quite nice to me.
1:49:50>> I would argue that's the wrong reason to
1:49:52be doing content creation as a whole. I
1:49:54think it's kind of shitty,
1:49:55>> but I didn't want [music] to be on the
1:49:57wrong side because of all of those
1:49:59things that you've sent me that you've
1:50:01shown me. I I kind of feared that that
1:50:03would be something that would happen.
1:50:04>> I don't [music] know. He seems to just
1:50:05want to take the short way out of
1:50:07everything. He just bags out on
1:50:08everything he can.
1:50:09>> Seems like there's not really a lot of
1:50:11morals when it comes to this guy. That's
1:50:13pretty crazy [music] to say the least.
1:50:14>> It sounds like a pretty bad guy after
1:50:16that. I'm not going to lie. Makes me
1:50:18scared of him now. you live and you
1:50:20learn. As long as you take into account
1:50:22mistakes of your past and not try to do
1:50:24them in the future, I feel like
1:50:26everything, you know, everything can
1:50:28change. That's I I don't know if it's a
1:50:31right example, but you could look at
1:50:32Vincent this for example.
1:50:34>> I don't really know exactly what's going
1:50:35on with him all the way, but I just know
1:50:37he's struggling with a ton of different
1:50:39crazy things. And um I guess your your
1:50:41video is going to answer all this.
1:50:43>> I don't give a to be honest. It's still
1:50:44my G. That guy was like one of the first
1:50:46people to reach out to me when I was
1:50:48banned. My opinion on him won't change.
1:50:50Even though like there's like negative
1:50:52things surrounding him, you can't judge
1:50:54someone by the things that they've done
1:50:55wrong. You can only judge them by how
1:50:56they've treated you. I don't think he's
1:50:58a bad guy. I just think he's just
1:51:00different to everyone else. I feel like
1:51:01the Russ scene and content scene in
1:51:03general is mainly just people trying
1:51:05their [music] hardest to put on this
1:51:06really cool image of them where they
1:51:08look really friendly and nice, whereas I
1:51:10don't feel like he's ever tried to do
1:51:11that, which is why I think he has such
1:51:12like a big loyal fan base. upsetting,
1:51:15bro. I used to [music] really like his
1:51:16content.
1:51:16>> I'd love to say he's more of a legend
1:51:18than I thought he was based on
1:51:19everything after the second point.
1:51:21>> The only reason I tried to even learn
1:51:23the MP5 recoil was because of him and
1:51:25his clips that I kept seeing all the
1:51:26time.
1:51:26>> Yeah. Toxic is the word I'd use. Yeah.
1:51:28Yeah. That kind of lines up with what I
1:51:29what I'm seeing. I guess
1:51:31>> I hold nothing against him to be honest.
1:51:33I bet if you asked all the other Rush
1:51:34creators out there, there's probably
1:51:36hundreds of things like this that they
1:51:38have hidden away.
1:51:39>> He's still a PvP sweep. He's a [ __ ]
1:51:41[ __ ]
1:51:42If that's true, what you've just shown
1:51:44me, he's an [ __ ]
1:51:45>> Disappointed. Yeah, I'd say
1:51:47disappointed, but the rest of it just
1:51:49screams warrior. So,
1:51:50>> an interesting fell who maybe lost
1:51:52himself a little bit, but also at the
1:51:54same time is maybe coming back a little
1:51:56bit into a reality. Like, I don't know
1:51:59him well enough.
1:52:00>> And I literally don't have anything
1:52:01negative to say about him other than the
1:52:02fact that was always like, "All right,
1:52:05who would win? Dracula or warrior?" And
1:52:07[ __ ] said Warrior, bro. Like,
1:52:09that pisses me off. That's an ego hurt,
1:52:11but I still have love for him. So, I
1:52:13honestly Okay,
1:52:14>> that's pretty crazy to say the least. I
1:52:16never would have thought any of these
1:52:18things to be honest.
1:52:19>> He made mistakes and I think if he just
1:52:22stands up to his mistakes from the past
1:52:24and goes forward with a lot of positive
1:52:29things, I believe he can come back into
1:52:32like the the Rust main scene, I guess,
1:52:34cuz he was a main part in like the early
1:52:37220s, I believe.
1:52:38>> I don't know. My my impression of
1:52:40Warrior is uh obviously it's hard to
1:52:42understand what he's saying, but he does
1:52:43seem to be a little bit neurotic. He's a
1:52:45little crazy of a dude. I don't know if
1:52:47it's the steroids or what, but he's
1:52:49definitely a little out there sometimes,
1:52:51but overall, I like the guy personally.
1:52:52>> He couldn't even gain muscle naturally.
1:52:55He had to take steroids and then he sold
1:52:56peptides to his community and then
1:52:58[music] I don't know, bro. It's just not
1:53:00the route I want to go. That's for sure.
1:53:02But also, I respected him a lot back in
1:53:05the day. I just think maybe he hasn't
1:53:07changed. Maybe it was all just a
1:53:08character.
1:53:12>> So, I've got this final question, which
1:53:14is, you know, for the audience and
1:53:16stuff. Why are you doing this now? And
1:53:18what do you want to happen when this
1:53:19video comes out?
1:53:20>> I don't want anything to happen, but
1:53:22it's the final nail in the coffin,
1:53:23right? It's just a dressing like topics
1:53:26that have always interested me, you
1:53:28know, trying to rem, you know, I guess
1:53:30reminisce, linking up with old friends,
1:53:33see where their lives took them. The
1:53:34only way I guess is to publicly talk
1:53:36about it then to wake people up to how
1:53:39badly some of these guys really do think
1:53:41about their fans and stuff like they
1:53:43just feel like numbers which kind of sad
1:53:46especially when they're supposed to be
1:53:47advocate for their them really you know
1:53:49it's their niche that's who they go to.
1:53:52Um, but the reason now uh I just get
1:53:54into a relationship is serious like I
1:53:57have a chance to actually create a
1:54:00lasting mark on the world I suppose.
1:54:02Then I said if that come up again I
1:54:04would seize it fully with both hands. So
1:54:07I won't let it slip. This also ties in
1:54:09as a good time to kind of wrap it all
1:54:10off and then yeah I'm just going to have
1:54:12a normal life. I'll still post Tik Toks
1:54:15and stuff. I'll always create things. So
1:54:17I'll probably be around more than ever.
1:54:18That's the unfortunate reality. Maybe
1:54:20I'll make a R server or something. Maybe
1:54:22if the game mech I don't recognize I
1:54:25mean by the point I still get to it
1:54:26either way. Nothing never changes. So no
1:54:31actual goals just
1:54:34being warrior. Now
1:54:38if you made it this far thank you so
1:54:40much for watching. I know that was a
1:54:42lot. You know throughout this whole
1:54:43video I think I only used about half of
1:54:44our interview. So if you want to see
1:54:46even more I'm going to release that on
1:54:47my Patreon. I even have heaps of footage
1:54:49of all the Russ guys reacting to when I
1:54:51dropped all the information on them
1:54:52about what warrior had done. It's a good
1:54:54way to help support the channel and I'm
1:54:55going to start throwing my supporters
1:54:56names on the screen at the end of every
1:54:58video. [ __ ] he was finessing them
1:55:00[ __ ]
1:55:00>> You'll also get early footage from
1:55:02future topics ahead of time, deleted
1:55:03scenes, all that stuff that might be
1:55:05considered a little too juicy or
1:55:07controversial to put in a video. I
1:55:09easily put over 100 hours into this
1:55:11video. So hopefully I've earned your
1:55:12subscription here on YouTube, too. Big
1:55:14shout out to Jack Shepard. He's the guy
1:55:16who tried fixing warriors dog [ __ ] phone
1:55:18mic as best as he could. He also makes
1:55:20similar videos. Go check him out. He's
1:55:22awesome. Also, we spoke heavily on
1:55:24Temple Taps throughout the whole video.
1:55:25And if you want to know all the details
1:55:27to that, I made an in-depth video on the
1:55:29whole situation right before this one.
1:55:31Anyway, peace.

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