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0:00Welcome to the Daily Wire Strikes Back
0:03stage. I'm Jeremy Boring, lowercase G,
0:06lowercase K God King. Tonight, we're
0:08going to be talking cancel culture in an
0:10effort to answer the age-old question,
0:12just how rich is the left trying to make
0:13us with all this bullcrap?
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0:39I'm joined, per usual, by Smoking Mike
0:41Knowles, by Bartholomew Walsh, by the
0:44ghost of Andrew Klavan, and by the
0:45finest Ben Shapiro clone money can buy,
0:48still cheaper than the original, and of
0:50course, by the lovely one herself, Mrs.
0:52Elisha Krauss, here to take your
0:53questions. Elisha.
0:56Hey, how are you guys doing? And welcome
0:58to the Empire Strikes Back stage.
1:02The Daily Wire Strikes Back stage.
1:03Although, I don't know why you guys want
1:04to be relating to the Empire. I thought
1:06that we were the good guys and the woke
1:08mob that tried to cancel Gina was the
1:10Empire. But anyway,
1:11You're overthinking this, Elisha. You're
1:12overthinking [laughter] it.
1:14Sorry, I'm just trying to be accurate,
1:16God King. Anyway, it has been one of the
1:18biggest months in the Daily Wire history
1:20and we are so excited. I love the Sunday
1:22special with Gina and Ben. And we're
1:24going to tell you guys, this is just the
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1:28Gina and I so we can be BFFs and go for
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2:36I said that so that the guys in
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2:42Fellas, [laughter]
2:43we had an unbelievable
2:45last 2 weeks because the left has
2:47decided Yeah. in their infinite wisdom
2:51that making us just insanely wealthy
2:54[laughter]
2:55is their top priority. They've decided
2:57that they're going to cancel many, many
2:59valuable Hollywood entertainers and we
3:02have decided that we are going to make
3:05movies with those people, specifically
3:07with Gina Carano.
3:08Elisha mentioned the Sunday special,
3:10Ben.
3:11It really was. I think it may have been
3:12the best Sunday special ever. Gina
3:14telling her side of the story
3:16was just remarkable. I want to talk
3:18about what happened to Gina specifically
3:19for the three or four people who live
3:21under rocks and didn't
3:22pick up on it, but what I really want to
3:23talk about
3:25is the bifurcation of the culture, the
3:27bifurcation of the economy, the the the
3:30tragedy and the comedy of the whole
3:31thing, and the opportunities that it
3:33presents. So, would you mind walking us
3:34just briefly through Gina's story? So, I
3:36mean, the the way that Gina told it, and
3:38and first of all, you should watch the
3:39the Sunday special because it really
3:41does allow you to see her side of the
3:42story in her own words. And Gina is just
3:44a lovely human being. She's a wonderful,
3:46lovely human being. I had her over for a
3:48Friday night dinners. We actually had
3:49charades together. It was really nice.
3:50My kids loved her. And and what happened
3:53to Gina basically is that she tweeted a
3:55bunch of stuff that Disney didn't like.
3:56None of it was particularly horrifying
3:58or controversial. And they fired her. I
4:00mean, it really is that simple. It
4:02started off when she had tweeted a joke
4:04about the pressure that people receive
4:05online to put their pronouns in their in
4:07their Twitter profiles. She'd put in her
4:09Twitter profile beep boop boop, which is
4:10actually pretty funny.
4:11Pretty funny. I don't know if you're
4:12good. droid noises.
4:14[laughter]
4:14And and Disney like calls her into a
4:16room and they they wanted her to have
4:18kind of the woke mob do a Zoom session
4:20with her and she said, I don't really
4:21want to do that. I want to actually get
4:22in a room and talk with actual human
4:23beings. And and they they finally kind
4:26of let her do that. And then they would
4:27not let her do any press basically from
4:29then on. They cut her out of all of the
4:30press materials for The Mandalorian even
4:32though she's one of the bigger stars in
4:33the show.
4:34And then you fast forward and
4:36post-election, she started tweeting
4:38things that are fairly well accepted in
4:40conservative circles. Like, if you want
4:41to crack down on voter fraud, perhaps
4:42there should be voter ID. Right? She
4:44tweeted that like 2 days after the
4:45election. And people are like, oh, this
4:46means that she is in favor of lies about
4:48the No, that's that's not what she
4:50tweeted. And then a few days later, she
4:52tweeted something about how Americans
4:54should remove the mask from their eyes
4:55so they can see what's actually going on
4:56with regard to COVID. Again, this is a
4:58fairly mainstream conservative position,
5:00even for people like me. Plus, it
5:01doesn't even protect you from the virus.
5:03[laughter]
5:04If it's on your eyes, If it's on your
5:05eyes. Yeah, in any case, that that was
5:07that was really not particularly
5:09controversial. And then she tweeted out
5:11this this meme that was just a picture,
5:14very famous picture from the Holocaust,
5:16of a Jewish woman running away from
5:18German soldiers. And the text next to it
5:21was
5:22fairly generic. It just said,
5:24these sorts of evils don't happen in a
5:26vacuum. They start off with people
5:27dehumanizing other human beings. And if
5:28you treat people horribly, then
5:30eventually you could end up at this
5:31place. And so, you should remember this
5:33when you treat people horribly because
5:34of their politics, which is a fairly
5:36reasonable, generic statement. Now, I'm
5:38not a huge fan of Holocaust comparisons
5:39cuz I generally feel that most of them
5:40are overwrought, but there was nothing
5:41remotely anti-Semitic about this one.
5:43And in the and in the world of Holocaust
5:45comparisons, this one ranks like the
5:47lowest 10% in terms of controversial
5:48because that's a pretty generic
5:49statement about dehumanization of other
5:51people. In fact, I've seen the Auschwitz
5:53Memorial Museum put out very similar
5:54tweets actually about the generic nature
5:56of dehumanizing other people and how
5:58that leads to problems down the road
6:00including death for people. And so, you
6:02know, this turned into a big hullabaloo
6:04with Disney and Lucas Film deciding that
6:06it was time for Gina to be ousted.
6:07Apparently, this had been in the works
6:08for a couple of months. They had been
6:09meaning to announce her as a spin-off
6:11star from The Mandalorian in in one of
6:13their own series. They had canceled that
6:15in in December and they were looking for
6:16an excuse to can her. They used this as
6:18the excuse to can her despite the fact
6:19that Pedro Pascal, the actual star of
6:21The Mandalorian, had tweeted out a meme
6:22comparing Auschwitz to kids being held
6:24in cages in 2018 using a picture that
6:27was from the Palestinian Authority in
6:282014.
6:30And it was and of course, no blowback to
6:32that. So, you basically, after they can
6:34sell her and she found out about this
6:36essentially via the social media, the
6:38way we did.
6:39Same way we did.
6:39Right? I mean, we found out about the
6:40exact same time that Gina did. They
6:41didn't even give her the courtesy of a
6:42call. They just said, you're not coming
6:44back. That's it. In social media. Right?
6:46And and we saw this here at Daily Wire
6:48and we reached out. I reached out to her
6:50personally.
6:51And I said, listen, this is
6:52it's really tragic what's happening to
6:54you because it's not about the money,
6:56it's about the dream. If you ever go to
6:57Hollywood and you you work with folks in
6:59Hollywood and pretty much all of us
7:00except for Matt have actually have
7:02actually done this.
7:03People who move out to Hollywood move
7:04out there because their dream is to be
7:06in a show like The Mandalorian. I mean,
7:08it's the biggest show in TV right now.
7:10And to have a starring role in that. And
7:12to take that away from somebody
7:13summarily and to destroy their career in
7:14the process because they released a
7:15statement saying essentially she was an
7:17anti-Semite and that she was a racist
7:18and all this stuff.
7:19They categorized people on the basis of
7:20religion and ethnicity.
7:21Right? I mean, it's just a lie. It's
7:22just not true. And they and and for them
7:25to do that was an act of cruelty. It's
7:27an act of true cruelty. So, so I called
7:29her up and and I said to her, you know,
7:31it's terrible what's happening to you,
7:33but it's a real opportunity to punch
7:35back at these bastards. And we should
7:36punch back at them because nobody has
7:37ever said to them, you know what? Fine.
7:40You want to cancel me? I'm not canceled
7:41because there's a whole side of the
7:42political aisle that doesn't agree that
7:43I should be canceled. And so, you know
7:45what? I'm just going to go do my own
7:46thing over here. And so, that's when we
7:47announced and she good for her because
7:49it was an act of bravery on her part.
7:50For us, it was an opportunity, right?
7:52For us, it I mean, I'll be to be honest
7:54with you, whenever somebody in
7:56mainstream in in her mainstream culture
7:58is canceled, I put in a call. So, I
7:59probably put in over the course of the
8:00last four or five years at least 50
8:03calls to various mainstream figures who
8:04have been canceled for bad reasons. It's
8:06It's something that I just do on regular
8:08whether they're liberal or conservative.
8:09There are many people on the left I've
8:10done this for. And Gina was just another
8:12person who's like that. But Gina really
8:13took up the opportunity and said, okay,
8:15let's do this. This is an opportunity.
8:16I've been wanting to do this anyway.
8:18I don't deserve to be canceled and
8:20Americans need to be able to stand up
8:21for themselves. So, I'm happy to come
8:23over here and I'm happy to make a movie
8:24with you guys. And we could not be more
8:26pumped up about it. Our audience
8:27certainly couldn't be more pumped up.
8:28That is the biggest week in the history
8:29of the Daily Wire. I think people miss
8:30that
8:32Gina Carano is a real human. I mean,
8:34sometimes you read these stories about
8:35us or about political figures or about
8:37entertainment figures and we're
8:38two-dimensional. And that makes sense
8:40cuz we come to you on a screen, which
8:41automatic which makes us
8:42two-dimensional. Also because we have no
8:44souls and
8:44Yeah,
8:45I personally am two-dimensional.
8:47But Gina is an actual human. Yeah.
8:49They took they took her career away from
8:51her.
8:52Her agent dropped her. Her
8:54her
8:55attorney dropped her.
8:57Her publicist dropped her. Like, they
8:58took all the tools necessary to have a
9:00career away from her. They took the
9:02biggest show away from her.
9:04They took her ability to pay her bills
9:06away from her. They took her good name
9:07away from her. Lucas Film called her
9:09aberrant, said that she categorized
9:11people on the basis of religion and
9:12ethnicity, which she did not do. Funda I
9:15mean, it's it's defamation because it is
9:17100% untrue. That's not even a possible
9:20interpretation of the things that she
9:23has said.
9:24The fact that we were even able to get
9:25her on the phone in that situation, I
9:27think is fairly remarkable. She was
9:29having what must be one of the worst
9:31days Mhm. that a person can possibly
9:34endure when their career and their good
9:36name have
9:37Short of having a serious health
9:38problem, that's about as bad as it gets
9:39right there. But but you know, the the
9:40terrific thing about it and the reason
9:41I'm so glad you guys acted, I really I
9:43hate to compliment you because you know
9:45who you are. But but still, I I really
9:47am happy you acted is because
9:49we all support free speech. And that
9:51means when they take an Alex Jones off
9:53the air, I'm offended. I think Alex
9:55Jones should have a platform. I think
9:56he's he's a loon, but he should have a
9:58platform because who cares? You know, we
10:00can defeat him we can defeat his crazy.
10:02And they're making the frogs gay. With
10:03the truth. Yeah, they are making the
10:04frogs gay. They're making the frogs gay.
10:06And you know, but but the thing is we're
10:08defending a guy that we don't agree with
10:10that we think is is out of his mind.
10:12Here's a case where this woman did
10:14literally 0% wrong. He she her her tweet
10:18and I'm with you. I don't like Holocaust
10:20comparisons cuz they're over the top,
10:22but she didn't really even deal with
10:24that. She was making a perfectly valid
10:26point that you begin by dehumanizing
10:28people and you end by hurting them and
10:30that's what is happening in our society.
10:32It's a perfectly valid point.
10:34We're defending somebody who was
10:35actually wronged and that is a terrific
10:37position to be in because the left has
10:39been very clever and they go after the
10:41people on the
10:41And they they proved their point, too,
10:43because they they That's right. Not that
10:45they're going to cart her off to a
10:45concentration camp, but they dehumanized
10:47her Yeah.
10:48by by labeling her anti-semite, by lying
10:51about her, saying her saying that she
10:53was was, you know, categorizing people
10:55based on race and
10:56ethnicity. That's just flatly wrong.
10:59They know that they're lying, but they
11:01figure well, she deserves to be lied
11:02about and to be slandered because she's
11:04wrong about all these other things.
11:05Well, what was great There are two
11:06aspects of this that I want to talk
11:07about. I actually want to talk about
11:09Holocaust comparisons generally and I
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12:16Michael. Yes. They canceled her
12:19for nothing. Yeah.
12:20Why did they cancel her? They canceled
12:22her because it's very wrong to make any
12:27comparison to the Holocaust, especially
12:29after we just had literally Hitler be
12:31president for years. So, you're not you
12:33can't do that sort of thing. You know,
12:35it this is what is most chilling to me.
12:38We all support the American free speech
12:40tradition in the in this room. The left
12:42does not. We all support it. But we all
12:44think there were there are some things
12:45that if you, you know, if you walk up to
12:47the water cooler and you say Sieg Heil
12:49or, you know, you do something
12:51I think you should lose your job. I
12:52don't think you should be allowed to
12:53keep your movie or whatever. I think
12:54there are some things that are out of
12:56bounds.
12:58There are always things that are out of
12:59bounds.
13:00What this woman did was make an
13:03absolutely mainstream
13:06opinion that we all everybody left,
13:09right, and center would have agreed on
13:10even five or six years ago. But now they
13:13have so moved the goalposts in this
13:15country that if you if you have an
13:16American flag outside your house, you
13:19could be s- See, I'm actually not sure
13:21that this is right. I think that she was
13:23canceled for nothing
13:25because it was nothing. I think that
13:27we're living through a change in what
13:29cancel culture is and what the woke mob
13:31wants, that it's no longer about
13:33enforcing their rules. I think that it's
13:36it's like the Great Terror. I think it's
13:38just the imposition. Yes. I think that
13:40the arbitrariness of it. I think the
13:42randomness of it is actually part of the
13:44terror. If they can take down Gina for
13:46nothing, then they can take down you for
13:49Well, you see this happening. I mean,
13:50the rules are changing every single day.
13:52I mean, they're changing every single
13:53day and things that are overtly
13:54non-racist are now being treated as
13:56racist. I mean, you have Don McNeil
13:57losing his job at the New York Times for
13:59using the N-word to describe why using
14:01the N-word is wrong. Right? And in what
14:02situations using the N-word is wrong.
14:04You see the guy over at Slate, Mike
14:05Pesca, right? We're not big fans of
14:07Slate over here. Slate fired a guy for
14:09saying that maybe we should have a
14:10discussion about when use of the N-word
14:12is appropriate in like, for example,
14:13quoting someone who used the N-word. And
14:15they were and people at Slate were like,
14:16"Nope, can't have that." They they laid
14:18Mike Pesca off. The
14:20I think the most ridiculous example of
14:22somebody being canceled for non-racism
14:23that I've seen in the recent past I it
14:25is not really even Gina, although that
14:27was ridiculous. I think that it's what's
14:29going on with Chris Harrison over at The
14:30Bachelor. Right? So, I'm not I'm not a a
14:32fan of The Bachelor because I am a man.
14:34I have testosterone that runs in my
14:36body, but there this is one of the
14:38cultural institutions of the United
14:40States over the last 25 years, right? I
14:41mean, it's been going since 2002. It has
14:43been
14:44The Bachelor has been
14:46on the air for a majority of my lifetime
14:48on this planet, right? It's been on
14:50forever. And right. And the and The
14:53Bachelor basically just collapsed over
14:55the course of the last month because
14:57there's a the first black bachelor
14:59and he was dating one of the women there
15:01was a woman named Rachael Kirkconnell.
15:03When she committed the heinous sin of in
15:042018 going to a party at a plantation
15:07that was dubbed a a plantation party or
15:10something and she wore like a Scarlett
15:11O'Hara dress. Antebellum party.
15:12Antebellum party. Okay? And the idea was
15:15that this was racist because you can't
15:16have an antebellum party without
15:17acknowledging the sins of slavery. Which
15:19again, I I just hate to note this for
15:21all of you.
15:22Well, right. Then then you can dress up
15:24as whatever you want, right? Uh but
15:26I I hate to note this for everybody, but
15:27if you wear a costume from virtually any
15:29historic period prior to 1820, that
15:31culture had slavery
15:32right? I mean, like if you if you dress
15:33up as a Viking, then there was there
15:35there was slavery back then. If you
15:37dress up as a Roman, there was lots of
15:38slavery back then. In any case,
15:40and the the idea was that she was a
15:42racist for having gone to this party in
15:432018. So, the the Bachelor, who spoiler
15:46alert for women who are still watching
15:47The Bachelor, but it's out of the bag
15:49now. He ended up picking this woman,
15:50right? Rachael Kirkconnell is the woman
15:52he ended up picking at the end of The
15:53Bachelor. And so, he put out a statement
15:55on February 3rd in which he said, you
15:57know, she should be given a little bit
15:58of grace. Social media shouldn't be
15:59going after her. They shouldn't be
16:00digging up her parents' voting record.
16:02Like, give her give her a break. And so,
16:03Chris Harrison, the host, was on a show
16:05with Rachael Lindsay, a former host of
16:07the she's the the former Bachelorette,
16:09first black Bachelorette, I think. And
16:10she was interviewing him and Chris
16:12Harrison said, "You should give her a
16:13little bit of grace, right? Social media
16:15shouldn't be judge, jury, and execution
16:16or people should be treated with a
16:17little bit of grace. She can explain
16:18herself." And Rachael Lindsay then
16:20suggested that Chris Harrison, for
16:22saying she deserved grace, ought to
16:23apologize and essentially lose his job.
16:26And then, a couple of weeks later, like
16:28just this week, Matt James, who
16:29originally had defended Rachael
16:31Kirkconnell and was dating Rachael
16:32Kirkconnell, he put out a statement over
16:33the last 24 hours saying that Rachael
16:35Kirkconnell was essentially a racist,
16:37that Chris Harrison was a racist, that
16:38The Bachelor was racist, and that it was
16:41it was unthinkable that Chris Harrison
16:43could have said what he said in front of
16:44Rachael Rachael Lindsay, who then was
16:46forced to do, and I quote, the emotional
16:48labor the emotional labor of explaining
16:51to him the history of racism and slavery
16:53in this country. Emotional labor for
16:54what? What?
16:55What No. F is emotional labor. I've seen
16:57actual physical labor. My wife's done it
16:59several times. It's much it's much the
17:01same. Uh I can't even make this joke. It
17:03is so over the top.
17:04[laughter]
17:05I know if I make this joke how mad Ben's
17:06going to be at me, but I will say this.
17:09The fact that he used the term emotional
17:11labor
17:12is proof that they got to him. Yeah,
17:14that's right.
17:14human being walks around with the term
17:16emotional labor
17:17in their frontal lobe except woke
17:19leftists. Yeah. And that means that
17:20somebody came and sat him down and said,
17:22"Listen,
17:23uh the girl you've been dating and
17:24obviously like
17:25she doesn't matter. The show that's the
17:27only reason you have a platform at all,
17:30that doesn't matter. The only thing that
17:31matters if you want to keep have if you
17:33want to keep your house and your uh
17:36career and your good name is that you
17:38freaking get out there and walk the
17:39line."
17:40That's right. And and it I mean, the the
17:41utter cowardice of throwing under the
17:43bus the girl you were dating, right? And
17:45calling her a racist and then saying the
17:46guy who said exactly what you said,
17:48exactly what you said, like within days,
17:50that that guy's a racist, but you you're
17:52you're perfect, right? You're perfect.
17:53Which that's amazing. What? By by the
17:54way, I just have to add the caper to
17:56this. So, the again, my producers who
17:58the only reason I know about The
17:59Bachelor is cuz I have two producers.
18:01Yes, they are they're female. And and
18:04they they inform me of this. They have a
18:05TV remote. That's why.
18:06[laughter]
18:07Uh producer Savvy and producer Jessica,
18:09I I will say that they keep me updated
18:11on this stuff on a granular level. Uh
18:13and and they made me aware of a post
18:15from Rachael Lindsay that happened in
18:16the middle of the Black Lives Matter
18:17movement in the summer. And this post
18:19was a picture of Rachael Lindsay
18:20standing, I kid you not, in front of a
18:23Cadillac XT6.
18:25And the post was, "When I am fighting on
18:27behalf of Black Lives Matter, the way
18:29that I like to learn about black history
18:31is through podcasts about black history
18:33that I listen to on my Bose sound system
18:36in my Cadillac XT5."
18:38[laughter]
18:38Capitalism number one always wins, but
18:40number two,
18:40So good. like this is the person who is
18:42standing up against the racism and of
18:44the capitalist evil American system.
18:46This is the person who's doing emotional
18:47labor. Emotional labor? You're standing
18:49in front of a Cadillac XT6 in a
18:51sponsored ad on Instagram [laughter]
18:54to preach about Black Lives Matter and
18:55you're the person who's supposed to be
18:56the the great pope of wokeness here? I
18:59mean, it's insanity. How dare you? gets
19:01me is what a is what a grift it all is.
19:03It's correct. You know, 15 years ago you
19:05were taught discussing in an academic
19:07context the use of the N-word and now
19:10you're fired. But if you're a black mom
19:12who wants her kid to go to school, that
19:15can't happen because teachers unions are
19:17keeping you out. You know, if Bill Gates
19:19literally put out a system for teaching
19:22algebra to black kids where you got rid
19:24of the concept of right and wrong.
19:26[laughter]
19:27And I just thought like that that may be
19:30and and I'm like I've been around a long
19:31time. That's one of the most racist I've
19:33ever
19:33[laughter]
19:34actually heard. And and so, it's all a
19:36grift, you know, it's all nobody's doing
19:38anything for anybody, but this emotional
19:40panic is And and the corporations are
19:42buying into it.
19:43by the way. It's white America. Well, it
19:44is. It I mean, this is what Shelby
19:46Steele writes about. It's a bunch of
19:47woke white folks who get to maintain
19:48control over the auspices of power by
19:50saying, "Black folks don't have to do
19:51the work. It's our job to do the work.
19:53All you have to do is give me power and
19:54I can fix all of these things." Exactly.
19:56And corporate America has bought into
19:58this that that that ridiculous
20:00anti-racism training that Coca-Cola, or
20:02as I now call them Woka-Cola, put out
20:03there. You talked about this on your
20:04show. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and that's why
20:06we have to stipulate, I think, with with
20:07cancel culture that
20:09it it is a left-wing phenomenon. I I
20:12know on the left they always want to
20:13accuse the right of, "Oh, you're doing
20:15cancel culture." Because we criticize
20:16someone for having, you know, for their
20:18opinion.
20:19But, you know how people on the left say
20:21that
20:22only white people can be racist because
20:24we have institutional power
20:26and black people don't. Well, we know
20:27that that's totally bogus because number
20:29one,
20:30racism is a condition of the heart.
20:32Anyone could be racist. Number two, we
20:33had a black president. You know, I
20:34consider that to be institutional power.
20:36But, with with cancel culture, that
20:38actually is about institutional power.
20:41You can't cancel someone unless you own
20:43the institutions. Canceling someone is
20:45all about
20:46they lose their job, they lose their
20:47reputation,
20:49they lose their credibility, they lose
20:50everything. We on the right,
20:52unfortunately, don't have the ability to
20:53do that.
20:55Only the left can do that. So, the left
20:57So, cancel culture is a left-wing thing.
21:00It's what the left does and I think we
21:02need to be clear about that in our
21:04definition of it. Because that's that's
21:06what I think it is. The collapse of
21:07corporate America into wokeism is one of
21:09the great disturbing elements of the
21:10last several decades. It really is
21:12amazing cuz we were all taught that
21:14after you leave college, that you were
21:15going to get in the real world and then
21:16the real world would be a meritocracy
21:18and and all of the all of the kind of
21:20emotional crap that you learned in
21:21college and the microaggression
21:23nonsense, all that was going to stop. It
21:24turns out those people just took over
21:25the institutions and now you get it
21:27twice as hard from the corporations and
21:29the corporations have a real interest in
21:30promoting this stuff because number one,
21:32it's a great way to avoid liability,
21:34like discrimination liability. You say,
21:35"Oh, you know, we hired Robin DiAngelo
21:37for 20 grand to teach all of our people
21:39that they're racist. So, I mean, how can
21:40you sue us for that?" And also, all your
21:43woke staffers are the ones who are most
21:44likely to sue you. So, if you just give
21:45in to them, then they won't sue you.
21:47But, has anyone sued yet? I mean, we're
21:48waiting for a white They're They're at a
21:50point right now in these corporations
21:52where they actually single out. They
21:53say, "This is only for the white
21:54employees. Come to the room and we're
21:56going to tell you what a scumbag you
21:57are." Has any white employee actually
21:59stood up and said, "This is racial
22:00harassment"? But, look look what happens
22:02when you you know, when when Asian
22:03students sued Harvard, right? It wasn't
22:05white students suing about the
22:07affirmative action policies. It was
22:08Asian students who were also
22:09disadvantaged. The Asian students sue,
22:11what happens? Doesn't go anywhere. The
22:13DOJ under Trump looks into Yale for
22:16doing exactly the same thing. They're
22:17disadvantaging white and Asian students
22:19in their applications. What happens? The
22:21Biden administration gets rid of it. So,
22:23you know, if if I am a white employee
22:25and I'm being told be less white and I
22:26think I'm pretty swarthy. How much less
22:28white can I get? [laughter] If I'm
22:29thinking about suing, I look at the
22:31track record of of these lawsuits and I
22:33say, "Why would I waste my money?"
22:36That's true. It's true according to the
22:38This goes back to the institutional
22:39point that Matt was making. The
22:40institutions are now completely
22:42corrupted from the inside by the woke. I
22:44want to talk about that a little bit
22:45more. First, I want to talk about one of
22:46the most important things to me, which
22:48is
22:49me.
22:50[laughter]
22:51When it comes to being me, I like to
22:53spend as much time being me as humanly
22:55possible. And that means spending as
22:57little time doing the things that I
22:58don't want as is humanly possible. And
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23:03taking trips to the post office,
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23:41Sit at your house, don't go outside,
23:43don't pay attention to anybody else,
23:44look in the mirror, [laughter]
23:46occasionally break away to send out a
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23:52don't want to go to the post office, you
23:53want to go to stamps.com instead. Not
23:55that there's anything wrong with a post
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24:25know, enjoy being you for a minute. That
24:27is the first time I've ever heard the
24:28term hoi polloi in an advertisement.
24:31of all, I I was actually going to stop
24:32you. That is the best ad-lib you've ever
24:33done.
24:34[laughter]
24:35As somebody who does this
24:35professionally, let me just say, your
24:37skill set has grown, Jeremy. I mean,
24:40like I've heard you do some real bad
24:41ad-libs. Some horrible ad-libs. Some
24:42truly terrible ones. That was excellent.
24:44It was a really great segue in
24:46[laughter]
24:46and then it really made it personal and
24:47you made it about you. You really took
24:49your time and made it really excellent.
24:51That was really good. That's what it was
24:52about. The fact that you were talking
24:53about you, that's what it was.
24:54That's the kind of glow comes over your
24:55face.
24:57[laughter]
24:57There There is one note that I wanted to
24:58make as far as the the fact that
25:01cancellation is a left-wing phenomenon.
25:03And it is because it is connected to
25:04institutional power. Occasionally, you
25:06will see sort of a right-wing
25:07cancellation effort. So, for example,
25:08there was some talk about in college
25:11removing college scholarships from from
25:13kids who wanted to kneel for the
25:14national anthem or something. Like I'm
25:15not I'm not a big fan of that sort of
25:16thing. But, there there is it's not just
25:18that it's a left-wing phenomenon. It's
25:21that it's a left-wing mindset. There
25:22There's an actual mindset of
25:23cancellation that exists. And there's a
25:25study that I was looking at the other
25:27day that it's just a a truly amazing
25:29study. It was quoted in Harvard Business
25:31Review. What they did is they they took
25:33a panel of people of wide variety of
25:35political opinion, went all the way
25:37right to left. And then they offered
25:38them model corporation. It was like Jobs
25:41Corporation or something. And what they
25:43told them is that they they gave them
25:44three examples. One, Jobs Corporation is
25:46apolitical, how do you feel about it?
25:48They're like, "Okay, it seems like a
25:49nice corporation." Second was, "Jobs
25:51Corporation is liberal, how do you feel
25:52about it?" And they're like, "Hmm, kind
25:54of a nice corporation." And then they
25:55said, "Jobs Corporation is
25:56conservative." It dropped 33 points in
25:59the approval ratings. 33 points entirely
26:01because the left decided that it was now
26:03an evil business.
26:04Right? So, in other words, people people
26:06assume that corporate America is
26:07liberal. They assume it, right? That's
26:09why the first two results are the same.
26:10That's why apolitical and liberal end up
26:11with the same result. It also shows you
26:13the right does not care. The right is
26:15happy to shop wherever there is a good
26:16product. The left does care. The left
26:18wants their wokeism infused in
26:19everything. Well, there is good news for
26:21us in this, as you may have noticed,
26:23which is that, "Fine, you want to do
26:25this? You want to boycott any business
26:26that's conservative? There's half the
26:28country that believes they should be
26:29able to shop at businesses that are not
26:30going to shove this garbage down their
26:31throat and we are happy to start each
26:33and every one of those businesses and
26:34rake in the dough." That's right, Drew.
26:35This is where the left, I think, has
26:37lost their mind.
26:38Illiberalism is nothing new, right?
26:40There've always There's always been a
26:42streak of illiberalism even on the right
26:44and and the leftist is now illiberal.
26:46But, if you go back like to the '60s,
26:49illiberals on the right would like burn
26:51Beatles albums. And you're I'm sorry,
26:53the Beatles were a band who never got
26:55[laughter]
26:57They never got successful because all
26:58these illiberal conservatives burned
27:00their records and so then no one ever
27:01No, of course that's not how it works.
27:03There's a There is going to be a
27:05reaction against this idea of cancel
27:07culture
27:08that is going to make us more powerful.
27:11To quote well, the evil empire, "The
27:14more they tighten their grip, the more
27:16star systems will slip through their
27:17fingers." That's the opportunity that
27:18they've given us. I think it's bad for
27:20the world that the left is creating a
27:22dual culture. I think it's bad for the
27:23world that the left is creating a dual
27:25economy.
27:26But, I also think that to the extent
27:28that they've had almost unchecked power
27:31in the dominant culture and in the
27:32dominant economy, only the creation now
27:35of the dual economy gives us the the
27:37opportunity to maybe one day make a
27:39better economy and a better culture that
27:42one day has a chance of being dominant.
27:43And you know, this ties into your point
27:44on the arbitrariness of it because I I I
27:47think it's arbitrary when they say they
27:49have rules. And they make up the rules
27:51on the spot and the rules change day by
27:53day and they cancel you for whatever.
27:54But, what is not arbitrary is the people
27:56that they're canceling. People that
27:58they're canceling tend to hold views
28:00very similar to what we think. If you
28:02are in any way contradicting the
28:04left-wing orthodoxy, you are liable to
28:07be canceled and they'll make up some
28:09fake rule and This is exactly right.
28:10It's It's all It's all pretextual. It's
28:12They're doing all of this on the basis
28:14of who do we want to cancel? And then,
28:16how do we fit them into the box of sin?
28:18But, you know, this is this is actually
28:20I I was speaking to my son, Spencer
28:21Klavan, no relation,
28:23today and he and he makes the brilliant
28:25point, as he so frequently does, that
28:28this has a
28:29an almost exact analog
28:32in the Inquisition. In that Nobody
28:34expects it. Nobody ever [laughter]
28:36expects it.
28:37No. No, that that they said the Catholic
28:40Church said in the Inquisition, "We have
28:41this new technology, which is the
28:43printing press. How wonderful. It
28:45spreads information. You can now read
28:47the Bible. You can now have your own
28:48Bible. It's a It's a wonderful wonderful
28:50thing, but it's spreading some bad
28:52information as well and those people
28:54have to be burned at the stake and and
28:56put on the rack." Basically, the Twitter
28:59terms of service
28:59It was bad. Well, no. I'm I'm I'm in
29:02favor of the Inquisition. I'm following
29:03it so far, but then when does it go
29:05wrong?
29:05[laughter]
29:06The Twit The Twitter terms of service
29:08are the same thing. We have this
29:09wonderful internet. It's spreading
29:10information, but it's bad information
29:13and those people have to be burned at
29:14the stake and put on the rack. I know
29:15you guys are in favor of the
29:17This is This is right. You saw that
29:18House Democratic letter, right? There
29:19was two House Democrats who wrote a
29:21letter to Comcast and AT&T and Amazon
29:24and every major carrier in the country
29:25about inflammatory language and inciting
29:27language. They've broadened the
29:28definition of inflammatory and inciting
29:29to anything they disagree with. And then
29:31the idea is they're going to cudgel
29:32corporations into doing their work,
29:33which by the way does violate the First
29:34Amendment. You are not allowed to make
29:36private corporations into agencies of
29:38the government for purposes of quashing
29:39the First Amendment. There's case law on
29:40this. But, they're trying it anyway. And
29:43this is
29:44this is what they're doing.
29:45did you see what Amazon is doing this
29:46week?
29:47the hate speech standard? Oh my with
29:49Ryan T. Anderson, who's pal of some of
29:51us in this room, ahead of the Ethics and
29:53Public Policy Center. He's a Heritage
29:55formerly at Heritage Foundation. This
29:57guy is as mainstream and scholarly a
30:00conservative as it gets. And he came out
30:02with a book a few years ago. Greatest
30:03book title I've ever heard, When Harry
30:05Became Sally, Responding to the
30:07Transgender
30:08good book, too. And it's a really good
30:10book, and it's it's actually not in any
30:11way an inflammatory
30:12the way, it's a sensitive book. It's a
30:13very sensitive He has a bunch of stuff
30:15in there about how people who are
30:16suffering from gender dysphoria ought to
30:18be treated humanely, and there's no
30:19excuse for treating people badly. I
30:21mean, he's got a bunch of stuff in there
30:22that is that is directly a rebuttal to
30:24sort of the suggestion that people on
30:25the right don't hear about. No one who
30:26is a who doesn't say that. Of course.
30:28That's the funny thing about There's not
30:29even an issue.
30:30But what Amazon had done, they had taken
30:32off, you know, if the Confederate flag
30:34was really politically correct, they
30:35took that offline, or sometimes
30:36different symbols, they take that off.
30:38But they had this standard. They said,
30:39"We're not going to remove books for
30:41being politically incorrect." Because
30:42they don't want to be seen as burning
30:44books or banning books, as if as though
30:46it were the Inquisition. Very quietly,
30:48they took away that exception. And now,
30:51I mean
30:52We got a lot of books between all of us.
30:53By the way, uh Mein Kampf is still on on
30:55Amazon, but Ryan Anderson's book is not
30:56on Amazon.
30:57Unbelievable. You know, I I got into a
30:59brief I never do this, but I did get
31:00into a brief Twitter debate with our
31:02friend David French, who basically feels
31:04there should be no recourse
31:07because of the First Amendment, there
31:08should be no recourse when private
31:09entities who are multinational, richer
31:12than most two-thirds of governments,
31:14they have more money than two-thirds of
31:15the governments, collude together to
31:18essentially gut our rights. And my
31:20feeling is, wait, if the point of the
31:22First Amendment is to protect our
31:24rights, our rights don't go away because
31:26the First Amendment makes it difficult
31:28to cover
31:29a threat to them, but the threat to our
31:30rights right now is in this collusion
31:33between companies that may not be
31:35monopolies in and of themselves, but
31:37when they collude, they become
31:38essentially monopolies, and they're
31:40working in collusion with the government
31:42as well.
31:42Big tech, big government, big business,
31:44big big big. If that's if that is not a
31:46threat that needs to be dealt with, and
31:48I don't I you know, I'm not a lawyer, I
31:49don't care how you deal with it, but
31:51it's got to be dealt with. You cannot
31:52have a system where whereby we cannot
31:55attack the threats to our speech. Speech
31:57is given free The right to speech is
31:59given to us by God. So, I mean, that's
32:01the problem on the right where you've
32:03got at least half that are that are
32:06allergic to using the power of the
32:08government.
32:08Yeah. Uh whereas on the left, there's
32:10wide agreement. Of course, we're going
32:11to use the power of the government to do
32:12whatever we want. And I appreciate that
32:14on the right, at least there's a there's
32:16a debate about it, but it seems like
32:17there are some wide, you know, pretty
32:20large, significant preponderance that
32:22basically, they don't want to use the
32:23power of the government to do anything
32:24at all. Um and and I think that that
32:27kneecaps us. So, we're we're a huge fan
32:29way to use the power of government, and
32:30there's a and there's a stupid way.
32:31Of course.
32:31And and I think that a lot of people are
32:33not distinguishing between the two, and
32:34so you end up with a really dumb kind of
32:36version of the argument, which is, we
32:38can either do nothing or we're going to
32:40be step in and and just tell them
32:42exactly what they have to do in all
32:43circumstances. The reality is that what
32:45is really happened, and this goes back
32:46to the Section 230 argument, especially
32:48when it comes to these platforms, is
32:49that what Section 230 was designed to do
32:51was it was designed to enshrine the
32:54ability for corporations to actually
32:56protect free speech. It was not the
32:58opposite. What the what Section 230 was
33:00was it it
33:02you know, just to get into a little bit
33:03of of legalism here because people don't
33:05understand Section 230 particularly
33:06well. Section 230 does not make a
33:08distinction between publishers and
33:09platforms. Section 230 says, "When you
33:10have an open thread, then you are not
33:12responsible legally for what appears in
33:14that open thread." So, Daily Wire is a
33:16private corporation, we're responsible
33:17for what we put up the data did, but our
33:19comments, we're not responsible for. If
33:21somebody puts up plagiarized material in
33:22the comments, we're not legally
33:23responsible for that. And so, that was
33:25an idea The goal here was to allow
33:27platforms to exist, cuz otherwise,
33:28platforms literally would not exist. So,
33:30what Section 230 did is it created an
33:32exception. The exception was
33:33specifically designed to allow platforms
33:36to get rid of material that was pretty
33:38much widely agreed to be excessive. So,
33:40somebody posts pornography in our in our
33:42comment section, so we can remove that.
33:43Somebody posts obscenity or actual
33:45incitement to violence, we can remove
33:46all of that. Instead, what has happened
33:48is, as so often happens with the
33:50government, the exception became the
33:51rule. So, then it became the government
33:53is going to tell corporations that if
33:54they don't use Section 230 to crack down
33:57on all the material government doesn't
33:58like then they're going to come after
34:00those corporations. So, the exception
34:02ate the rule. So, that exception was
34:03designed to be an exception, right? The
34:04idea was it was going to be a broad
34:06spectrum of ideas that were available,
34:07and only here and there were you going
34:09to kind of pinpoint and remove material
34:10that was truly offensive or truly
34:12terrible, and instead
34:13Truly truly indecent, right? Because the
34:16Communications Decency Act is where it
34:18comes from.
34:18truly indecent. And instead, what
34:19happened is that the left basically
34:21seized upon this opportunity to say,
34:22"Okay, well, now what these platforms
34:24really should do is they should act just
34:25like a publisher. They should edit all
34:27of the content. They should decide which
34:28books they are willing to put out and
34:29which books they're not willing to put
34:30out. And not only that, we're going to
34:31have congressional hearings, and we are
34:32going to say like as Dianne Feinstein
34:34says, 'If you don't do what we want you
34:36to do, we will regulate you into doing
34:37what we want you to do.'" So, if you
34:39actually want to fix this, there's a
34:40good proposal on the table from Marsha
34:41Blackburn, our senator here in
34:42Tennessee, uh to to take away the
34:45catch-all provision of Section 230. Cuz
34:47originally, Section 230 says that it it
34:49allows you to remove content that's
34:50obscene, content that is that is
34:53incitement to violence, content that
34:55normally be illegal, right? Like that
34:56kind of stuff. But there's also a
34:58catch-all provision that says, "Or
34:59anything otherwise objectionable." Yeah.
35:01And so, what her bill does, it takes
35:02away the otherwise objectionable
35:04language. So, now you cannot be relieved
35:06of liability if you if you just start
35:08willy-nilly taking down stuff. And I
35:10think that that's probably the right
35:11move.
35:11Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it's funny
35:13how people are blind to the fact that
35:16the enemy is is always
35:18pools of power. Power corrupts, absolute
35:20power corrupts absolutely. So, the left
35:22has this idea that the state is going to
35:24come in and make everything great, but
35:26it doesn't understand that the state is
35:27a bunch of people with power. And the
35:29right has this idea that big business is
35:30always going to be okay, but big
35:32business is also people with power. And
35:34the left used to know this. The left
35:35used to know that corporations can be
35:38alternative governments that have the
35:39power of governments again and can
35:40threaten you. You know, anybody with
35:42power, anybody with power has to be
35:45controlled. There's it's simply that
35:46because the people we're trying to
35:48protect are the ordinary guys, the
35:49little guys, who have the right to
35:51speak.
35:51I would just define power a little more
35:53specifically than that, which is, it's
35:54not about the bigness, it's about the
35:56actual power to compel. That's right.
35:57That's right.
35:58the problem is not big business. The
35:59problem is big business working in
36:00collusion with government in order to
36:01restrict your rights. Right? That's the
36:03stuff that's actually dangerous. Because
36:04what we tend to do when and
36:06conservatives tend to do this, too. We
36:07talk about big government versus small
36:08government. The question isn't big
36:09government versus small government, is
36:11what is it what are the delegated powers
36:12of government?
36:13Limited. Limited.
36:14Right? It is it is there there are
36:15specific purposes. The same thing is for
36:16a business. The question isn't big
36:18business or small business, it is
36:19business acting in favor of free markets
36:22and free labor, or is business acting
36:24against those things? Because I'm
36:25perfectly fine with a big business that
36:27does all the things that are in
36:28consonance with freedom being big and
36:30being competitive and winning.
36:31Hypothetically, I actually want to talk
36:33a little bit about why corporations went
36:34wrong and why I actually think that
36:36corporations are the biggest threat to
36:37the country right now. Yeah. Uh but
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38:29it's nice to get it right. You know,
38:31other than insinuating that you might
38:32kill your wife, that was an excellent
38:34[laughter] ad. Or that my wife might
38:35kill me.
38:35That's true. That's true.
38:37kind of want a little bit of rye on
38:38that.
38:39[laughter]
38:39I mean, it is true that the incentives
38:40sometimes get misaligned. I mean, right
38:42now, if I were to do something terrible
38:44to my wife she has much stronger
38:45incentive to kill me than divorce me.
38:47Mhm. And you [laughter] have no idea
38:48I've been a member found that for
38:50months, you know. If I'm ever found
38:52having been thrown off the back of a
38:53train for the double indemnity,
38:54obviously, then then you know exactly
38:56what happened. If I ever am found
38:58floating face down in my pool with three
38:59gunshot wounds in my back, I didn't just
39:01trip and hit my head and fall in
39:02[laughter] the pool.
39:03No matter what my wife
39:04Hillary Clinton. It was Hillary. You
39:06you're ridiculous.
39:06Speaking of people who might want to
39:07kill Ben, Elisha.
39:09[laughter]
39:11No, you have that all wrong. I like Ben.
39:12He signs my paychecks. It's Michael
39:14Knowles that I want
39:15[laughter]
39:17You know what you should say? Happy
39:18birthday. By the way, it was it was
39:19Elisha's birthday this week. Happy
39:20birthday.
39:20Happy birthday. Thank you. She's at
39:22least 25 years
39:25I wish. I'm 35. Now, if my husband
39:27decides to impregnate me again with
39:29another gorgeous child, I'm considered a
39:31geriatric pregnancy, which is just
39:33really depressing. [laughter]
39:34But, thanks for the birthday wishes,
39:36guys.
39:38There's a lot of lively chatter over on
39:40the chat box. And if you're like, "Well,
39:41hey, wait a second. I want to chat with
39:43you on the chat box. Well, how do I do
39:45that? How do I ask the guys a question?"
39:46Well, then that means you've already
39:47given me an answer. You're not a Daily
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40:10off. All right, this first question we
40:12have goes to the one and only Matt
40:14Walsh, who is finally in the backstage
40:16studio. Fans have been asking for that
40:18for a very long time, so welcome to
40:19backstage, Matt. Um people want to know,
40:22on a very serious note, when will you be
40:24joining Smokey Michael and the God King,
40:26and what instrument will you be playing?
40:29Mhm. I think this is like the third
40:30backstage. Like I said, I didn't make
40:31enough of an impression the first two
40:32times.
40:34Um [laughter]
40:34it was Wait, Matt Walsh is here right
40:36now? It's definitely a temporary
40:38[laughter]
40:39I do play the banjo, so I, you know, I
40:42I mean, I can I Yes. I can I can pick up
40:45a banjo and make noises with it, so
40:47Well, I can do that, but I have to
40:48hammer it against
40:49That's as far as my The The real story
40:51is that my wife bought me a banjo. Uh it
40:53was
40:54When we first got married, she bought me
40:55a banjo. It was my first birthday as a
40:57as a married person.
40:59And cuz I had been
41:00giving making all this noise about how I
41:02wanted to learn the banjo.
41:03And she bought it for me, and then what
41:05that meant was that for the next really
41:06for the last 10 years,
41:08it just kind of sits there, and she'll
41:09just periodically say, "So, you never
41:11learned that banjo, did you?"
41:12[laughter]
41:14That's it. I didn't learn it.
41:16Uh and how many other instruments do you
41:18play? Cuz people want some options here.
41:20No, I I don't play all I'm very good at
41:22not playing
41:23[laughter]
41:24every instrument. Would you say that
41:25you're as good at every instrument as
41:26you are? That's a good way to put it.
41:28Yeah.
41:29By the way, completely side note, but um
41:31Matt and I were outside, and uh the
41:33conversation turned to the faux
41:34masculinity of the show. And um and we
41:37decided to create a um a masculinity
41:39ranking of the hosts on the show.
41:41Okay.
41:42It it has a it has a it has but one
41:44standard. How many children have you
41:45sired?
41:46[laughter]
41:46So, by this ranking, it goes Matt, then
41:48me.
41:49Yeah.
41:49Then you, right?
41:50Yeah. And then you, and then you. Well,
41:53why tied for last place? Yeah, all
41:55right. I was I was going to tweet that
41:56out that Ben Shapiro said I'm the the
41:58manliest guy at the Daily Wire. So,
42:00we're the least said it's Yeah, I know.
42:01I mean, it's it's it's it's been said. I
42:02mean, he's a lumberjack, and he has like
42:0383 children. So, Jeremy and I are the
42:05least toxic people in this entire
42:07[clears throat] room. That's pretty
42:07[laughter] good.
42:08I did admit though that you
42:10So, we have four kids, but the first two
42:12were twins. So, it's kind of a
42:13two-for-one deal.
42:15For the same number of pregnancies, so
42:16That's right. But I'll happily take I
42:18think the beard gives me the
42:19tiebreakers.
42:20[laughter]
42:20I'll actually say though that I think
42:22one of the things that matters is can
42:24you change a tire? I mean, we're
42:25probably still tied for I would say
42:27that's right.
42:28I maybe mix it up to top three. Not only
42:29can change a tire, but have changed many
42:31tires frequently on rain-soaked
42:34freeways. Why? Then don't you have AAA?
42:36It was before you had AAA. You had a
42:38popper? No, you didn't have You didn't
42:40have phones. Well, what was wrong with
42:41tires when they were made
42:43of wood?
42:44[laughter]
42:45They were They were only through
42:46changing a tire.
42:48It was like BC, you know.
42:50[laughter]
42:51Have you ever changed a tire? Be honest.
42:53No. Have you seen me? Have I ever
42:55changed a tire? [laughter] I changed a
42:57tire once. I was visiting LA before I
42:59lived there, and I I was too cheap to
43:01get a good rental car, so I did a
43:03rent-a-wreck. I was driving a '91
43:05Plymouth Breeze around, you know. I I
43:07will tell you that I go in, I figured
43:09out how to do it.
43:10It was the manliest I've ever felt in
43:11[laughter] my
43:13By the way, there's a much higher chance
43:14that Alicia has changed a tire than I
43:16Yeah, Alicia's definitely changed a
43:17tire. I will say though that I had a
43:19blowout this weekend. And in my day, I
43:22mean, I grew up in rural Texas, I
43:23changed a lot of tires, you know. I used
43:25to be, when I was a youth, I would like
43:27stop and help other people change their
43:29tires when they broke down on the side
43:30of the road. Seemed like the thing to
43:31do. Uh but I've become soft. Yeah. Yeah.
43:33And I was driving We had this huge
43:35snowstorm, as did, you know, almost the
43:36entire south uh south of the country
43:38this last week.
43:40Florida, man. Woo!
43:43It wreaked holy hell on the roads here,
43:46right? All the freezing, all the ice.
43:48So, my wife and my baby and I, we rented
43:50uh a little Tesla. I thought maybe it'd
43:52be fun to have a Tesla. Elon Musk is
43:53cooler than me. So, I rented this Model
43:553 from a great family. Uh it was cool,
43:58pulled up uh to get this Tesla. It's
44:00really cold outside. I get out of the
44:01Uber. I'm walking up. This young uh
44:0317-year-old kid comes out of of his
44:05house, and I said, uh "Hey, man, good uh
44:08good to meet you." He goes, "Oh, yeah,
44:09it's real cool to meet you."
44:10And I said, "Yeah, I'm Jeremy." He goes,
44:12"Yeah, but yeah, I know." And I was
44:13like, "Oh, we live in a town where we're
44:16famous."
44:17[laughter]
44:18We've We're used to living in a place
44:19where people either didn't know who you
44:22were Or hated you.
44:23[laughter]
44:24Now we live somewhere where people are
44:26kind to us and like us. And so, I rented
44:28this Tesla from this kid. I drive it
44:30home,
44:31and uh park it in the in the garage,
44:33and then it dumps like 12,000 lbs of
44:35snow, uh and I didn't get to drive the
44:37car for a week. So, finally, I've got
44:39one day left on the rental, Saturday,
44:41and I jump in the car. I want to see if
44:42the baby seat'll fit. Throw the baby
44:43seat in the back, and then I jump in,
44:45Dagny jumps in. We We go for a ride, and
44:48uh I promptly hit one of these newfound
44:50potholes at full freeway speed, and
44:52knock the tire off the rim. Oh my gosh.
44:54The good news is,
44:56in a crisis, with my wife and my child
44:59in the car, I was able to figure out how
45:01to call roadside assistance. I was
45:03[laughter]
45:03able to solve the problem. I was able to
45:05get them on the phone, and they told me
45:07that they would be there in 4 hours.
45:09Apparently, a lot of people were broken
45:11down on the side of the road. So, I had
45:12to wait
45:134 hours.
45:13time I got a flat tire, which was now, I
45:15don't know, about 5, 6 years ago, I was
45:17in a very expensive BMW,
45:20and I was out in the middle of nowhere,
45:22In the trunk, right?
45:23Yeah, I was in the trunk.
45:24[laughter]
45:24The coyotes literally coyotes were
45:26circling around me, and I thought,
45:28"Well, I know how to change a tire." And
45:30I took out the jack from this very
45:32expensive BMW, and opened it up, and it
45:34cracked in half in my hands. And I
45:37thought, "I guess people don't do this
45:39anymore."
45:39[laughter]
45:40It was a prop. By the way,
45:42I mean, being as close to death as you
45:44are, did it ever occur to you that that
45:45would have been like the coolest way to
45:46die?
45:47Like just laying down with coyotes
45:49down on the side of the road after
45:50getting out of your BMW. [laughter]
45:51And that would have been the headline. I
45:52was Suspense writer and
45:54eaten by coyotes.
45:56[laughter]
45:57At your age, is there ever a time when
45:58coyotes aren't circling you?
46:01Vultures up ahead. No, the vultures the
46:03vultures they they travel with me.
46:05[laughter]
46:06I feel that they should pay, you know,
46:07pay my fares.
46:11Elisha.
46:12That The all those stories just revealed
46:14that I was more manly than Ben at my
46:16most pregnant with my second [laughter]
46:18child, because I put a spare tire on my
46:20family wagon, because it was also a
46:224-hour wait, even though LA did not get
46:24a blizzard, so yay that. Elisha, let me
46:26reiterate, I'm very wealthy.
46:28[laughter]
46:32Yeah, good point. All right, the next
46:34question goes to the God King. Jeremy
46:36Boring, these this subscriber must not
46:38know about Daily Wire 2, because they
46:40want to know if the Daily Wire, you
46:42know, it's entering into entertainment,
46:44you know, you're expanding all of the
46:45shows, you're bringing on new talent,
46:47you're writing and scripting movies.
46:49They want to know about sports. Yeah.
46:51Well, as you say, they obviously haven't
46:52been fans of the Daily Wire uh for long,
46:55because we do uh very intensive sports
46:57coverage every
46:59Is it three three Every three years.
47:02Four years. World Cup. Any Whenever the
47:04World Cup happens, which I cannot be
47:06bothered to know.
47:08Yeah. Uh we do the Daily Wire 2 uh
47:10coverage of uh the event. Michael and I
47:13have been covering it very well low
47:15these many years. Other than that, if
47:17you're talking about real sports that
47:18people are interested in that aren't
47:20anti-American, uh and that should be
47:22played by a first world country, I think
47:24it's a great idea. We have talked about
47:26it. I think it'd be a lot of fun uh to
47:28create a deeper collaboration with our
47:29friends over at Outkick. They have a
47:31great attitude. They're absolutely
47:32hilarious. Clay Travis is kind of a
47:34hero. He's right here in Nashville. And
47:36you know, we could If he But if he
47:37covered soccer, no doubt. No, we could
47:39we could call it Daily Wire 3. We could
47:42So, we can we can keep Daily Wire 2, but
47:44then we can put the sports. So, there's
47:46Daily Wire 1, Yeah. which is politics.
47:48Politics. There's Daily Wire 3, which is
47:50sports.
47:51Yeah. And Daily Wire 2 [laughter]
47:52for, you know, that other thing. The
47:54other thing.
47:56It's a great idea.
47:58The every the every four years thing. Uh
48:00the next question is for Drew. Drew,
48:02people want to know what projects are
48:04you working on now you have a little
48:05more free time since you don't have your
48:07daily show. And more importantly, um are
48:10there any people that will work with you
48:11in Hollywood since you're a very open
48:13conservative? No. Uh there are no
48:16[laughter]
48:16There are no people in Hollywood. Uh but
48:18I am as busy as I have ever been. Well,
48:20you got to stand in that coffin really
48:22apologetic.
48:22[laughter]
48:23Standing in the coffin, you know, you
48:25you got you got to be ready. It could
48:26happen any minute.
48:28[laughter]
48:29But no, I'm as as busy as I've ever
48:31been. I just sold I'm so delighted that
48:33I just sold uh to Thomas Nelson, the
48:36Christian publishers who published my
48:38memoir, I sold my essentially the sequel
48:40to my memoir, which is about literature
48:42and the Gospels.
48:43Does it have a better title? It's No.
48:46[laughter]
48:47It's called The Truth and Beauty. So,
48:48you'll hate it. Uh it would be so much
48:49better if it was called Yet Another
48:51Thing.
48:52[laughter]
48:52The Better Thing.
48:54I I am writing uh You know the
48:57I just finished You know the thing. I
48:58think.
48:59[laughter]
49:00I just finished uh a draft of the script
49:02we're going to do here, I hope, and uh
49:05another uh project script, and I've got
49:07a uh new series of mystery novels coming
49:09out. So, I'm as busy as I have ever
49:11been. And I it's only it's only because
49:13I of my uh hatred for Knowles that I've
49:16come here at all.
49:17[laughter]
49:18So, I can insult him. That's it.
49:19That's good, because when when you pass,
49:21there'll be just this whole trunk filled
49:22with unfinished [laughter] manuscripts
49:24that we can put out there one by one.
49:26did you take insurance out on me? I
49:27That's
49:28[laughter]
49:28policygenius.com
49:34All right, talking about scripts, Ben,
49:36everyone in the chat wants to know, have
49:39you seen a script for Gina's movie? What
49:41will it be about and when is it coming
49:43out? So actually this this question is
49:45better directed to Jeremy.
49:47So I will say that there are active and
49:49ongoing talks about what exactly the
49:51script should be. I know that Jeremy is
49:52is waiting through scripts right now
49:54looking for the right project. But
49:56because it is a development process and
49:58because we're working on a very personal
50:00level with Gina, it's going to take, you
50:02know, a little bit of time for us to
50:03find exactly what we want to do. I think
50:05it's important for people to understand
50:06that Gina
50:08part of what Gina wants in building this
50:09next stage of her career is not just to
50:10be an actress for hire, but to be a
50:11producer. She wants the ability to
50:13actually help craft the story,
50:15to to put her mark on whatever her next
50:17project is.
50:18We're working once again with our
50:20friends over at Bonfire Legend. Dallas
50:22Dallas Sonnier is going to produce
50:24Gina's film. He He read 60 scripts over
50:28the weekend. I looked at him and he was
50:30a shell of a man, you know. He couldn't
50:32tell you about any of them. He'd be
50:32like, which one did you like best? He
50:34goes, well, there was there's a western
50:35and a spaceship
50:36[laughter]
50:37and I was like, okay, you get some
50:38sleep. Send me the 15 or 16 best
50:40scripts, which he has done and we're and
50:41we're working our way through them.
50:44By the way,
50:45they should hire me for this, too.
50:47[laughter]
50:48Cuz I've got a great idea for it.
50:50So I guess I'm learning from
50:53Well, we're learning from Drew is he's
50:54never going to retire. And if he does
50:56retire, then he'll end up in the trunk
50:57eaten by coyotes or something.
50:58[laughter] It's Ben Shapiro's wish comes
50:59true. All right, so then the next
51:01question since that the God King
51:03answered that one.
51:04[laughter]
51:04The God King answered that last one. So
51:06Ben, I'll toss this one to you. It's a
51:07very good question. Somebody wants to
51:09know, hey, I become a Daily Wire
51:11subscriber, but what are you doing to
51:12protect yourself against Big Tech as we
51:15saw with Parler and other conservative
51:17sites that are just shut down because
51:19people like Google and Amazon say, hey,
51:22we're not going to allow you on our
51:23servers. Have you guys protected the
51:25Daily Wire and the subscribers against
51:26something like that? So we definitely
51:28have been working on figuring out
51:30alternative platforms that we could
51:31shift over to in case something like
51:33Amazon Web Services what they did to
51:35Parler ever happens to us. We've
51:36expended enormous time and energy and
51:38some money on exactly this sort of
51:40question. Again, I'm going to mis- I'm
51:42going to redirect the question to Jeremy
51:43because if for people to understand how
51:45the Daily Wire works, basically all
51:46business questions go here and all
51:48ideological questions go here and all
51:50questions about cigars that go there and
51:52all questions about not paying the bills
51:53go there
51:54[laughter]
51:54and all questions
51:56and all questions about just general
51:58malaise and cynicism go there.
52:00[laughter]
52:00That's that's basically the breakdown.
52:02And if you want somebody who's nice to
52:03you, then Alicia's here, too.
52:05I'll say that as Ben said, yeah, we've
52:07expended a lot of time into this
52:08question since what happened to Parler
52:10took place.
52:12The truth is the problem is greater than
52:14any company is going to be able to
52:15answer. You know, Amazon Web Services
52:19controls the servers for 50% of the
52:22entire World Wide Web. It's an
52:25unbelievable
52:27amount of infrastructure. So when people
52:28are like, why don't you build your own
52:29servers? It'd be like if in in 1982,
52:34the telephone companies
52:36had gotten involved in censorship and
52:37somebody had said, well, why don't you
52:38just build your own phone company? And
52:40my answer would be, okay, it took 100
52:43years to run phone lines to every rural
52:46household across a continent. That's
52:49what you're talking about.
52:50And what if we build all these servers?
52:52We We go raise a hundred billion dollars
52:54or a trillion dollars to build the kind
52:57of infrastructure on the server side
52:58that you need and then Amazon never
53:00actually acts against another
53:01conservative,
53:02but the but the
53:04ISP providers do. Like the the the
53:07problem that faces conservatives is so
53:10vast and to take on any part of it would
53:12take the wealth of a small nation
53:15to try to conquer. And then that may not
53:17be the the attack vector. There are like
53:18a hundred attack vectors that need to be
53:20solved. So what I really believe needs
53:22to happen here is several things.
53:24On one hand we need not to have to
53:27reinvent all of this, but to diversify
53:30our reliance on any one platform. So to
53:33Ben's point, we're looking at other
53:35potential data facilities, some that you
53:37might be able to put yourself on, some
53:39that you might be able to actually use
53:41as almost a shadow server where we're
53:42constantly being updated on a backup
53:44server and if something happens, you can
53:45very quickly and seamlessly move
53:47yourself over. Very expensive, not as
53:49expensive as building Amazon Web
53:51Services, but more than that, I think
53:53what needs to happen is conservative
53:56millionaires and billionaires need to
53:58change the way that they think about
54:00technology. There's a reason that Amazon
54:02can kick you off. It's that
54:04conservatives have no power at Amazon.
54:06There's a reason Facebook can kick you
54:07off. Conservatives have no or very
54:09little power at Facebook. There's a
54:10reason that Twitter can treat you the
54:11way they do.
54:13You you don't have a problem of
54:15conservatives being run out of their
54:16homes cuz conservatives are great at
54:18real estate. You don't have a problem of
54:19conservatives running out of gas.
54:21Conservatives are great at energy.
54:22There's just these different spheres
54:24that draw people with different
54:25mentalities. And I think the proof that
54:28conservatives
54:30don't have the mentality necessary to
54:32solve this problem is actually in the
54:34question.
54:36Are we building our own servers?
54:38The answer to the problems of bifurcated
54:42use of technology is not that we build
54:45what they currently have. There are
54:47conversations happening all over the
54:49world right now in real time that make
54:52servers obsolete. There are people
54:54talking about blockchain. There are
54:56people talking about things beyond
54:57blockchain, the names of which I don't
54:59know. There are kids with backpacks
55:00going to left-wing billionaires and
55:02left-wing venture capital funds and
55:05left-wing angel investors and creating
55:07the future and we're not a part of those
55:09conversations either. And the answer to
55:12how do you how do you
55:13solve the problem of it took a century
55:16to build all those phone lines
55:17isn't to go try to replicate that. It's
55:19to invent the cell phone. And until we
55:21change our mentality we're just going to
55:23lose on whatever the next thing is, too.
55:25Whatever the next thing is and we're
55:26going to build some crappy alternative
55:28version of what they've already got and
55:30it's not going to it's just going to
55:31further ghettoize us. We have to
55:32completely change the way that we think
55:34about this.
55:35a follow-up question to this because
55:37one of the things that is very
55:39frustrating to me is that conservatives
55:41seem very very reluctant to think that
55:44there may be legal remedies here. But it
55:46does seem that
55:48at some point, this is a new technology
55:51and the new technology needs new law and
55:54it needs new law to make sure that all
55:56of us have a chance to speak. If this is
55:58the way we speak to one another and it
56:00is, we should be able to speak to one
56:03another no matter what our political
56:04beliefs are. And so isn't there some
56:07place for lobbying
56:09lobbying and and things two things and
56:10then I'll let the lawyer talk. The first
56:12one is
56:13conservatives need to embrace lawfare.
56:15It's deeply distasteful. It's horrible.
56:17It's against our but we actually need to
56:19embrace it because those are the weapons
56:22being used against us. But
56:23but I'll also say this.
56:25One one reason that the Daily Wire
56:28we're not safe.
56:30But we are far less likely to be kicked
56:31off of
56:33servers than is Parler.
56:36It's because Parler wasn't conducting
56:38any actual economic activity. Parler is
56:40a is a free platform and everybody is
56:42using is using it for free. They don't
56:43have a vast ad network.
56:45If if some big tech company were to
56:49knock the Daily Wire off of their
56:51servers because of speech or something
56:52like that.
56:54We have
56:56over a hundred employees. We do millions
56:58and millions of dollars worth of
56:59business. We have
57:01tens of millions of fans. We have ads on
57:04our website every day doing, you know,
57:07hundreds of thousands of micro
57:09transactions. That goes all the way to
57:10the Supreme Court. There's actual
57:12damages. And one thing that one thing
57:14that you have to keep in mind when you
57:15talk about the law is the concept of
57:17damages. And the damages are just
57:18fundamentally different where we're
57:20concerned. This is why it happens. I
57:22mean, it's a it's a sorry state of
57:23affairs,
57:24but they're not unsophisticated about
57:26who they target. Yeah, I know that. They
57:28they target people who have the weakest
57:31opportunity to challenge them. And this
57:33is one of those areas where you're
57:35starting to see some state action.
57:36Right? Ron DeSantis has talked about
57:38going after some of the tech companies
57:40and making it so that they can't do this
57:41sort of stuff. Extending
57:42anti-discrimination law toward politics
57:45in the arena of technology, particularly
57:46free speech platforms. And it seems to
57:48me that if we've restricted freedom of
57:49association so strongly in this country
57:51that we already have anti-discrimination
57:52law that applies to every single element
57:54of American life except for your
57:56politics. Right? You can't you can't
57:57discriminate against somebody on the
57:59basis of religion, sex, age, disability,
58:01anything. And nobody is in favor of that
58:03sort of discrimination, but it used to
58:04be that freedom of association meant
58:06that you just sort of had to deal with
58:07the fact that sometimes people didn't
58:08want to hang out with you. But the left
58:09has completely made that obsolete.
58:11Right? You have to hang out with whoever
58:12the left says you have to hang out with
58:13and you have to do business with whoever
58:14the left says you have to do business
58:15with. I think there's going to be a
58:16strong move made, particularly in red
58:18states, against some of these
58:20corporations saying, if you guys start
58:22booting people, then we are going to
58:24take legal action against you. You're
58:25going to have violated our state law. Is
58:27there a chan-
58:29Is there a a concern that you can no
58:32longer have ideological organizations,
58:34for example, that the Daily Wire would
58:35have to have to hire left-wing activists
58:38to be employed? So you'd have to create
58:39actual legal carve-outs. You'd have to
58:41say, if you're an overtly partisan
58:42organization, then you can do this. In
58:45the same way that there are religious
58:46carve-outs for anti-discrimination law.
58:47Right? So you'd have to do that for
58:48overtly political organizations. It
58:50would pose a problem for 501c3s
58:52particularly. There are a lot of
58:53political 501c3s that have a
58:54conservative or a liberal bent and
58:56because they're nonprofit, they can't be
58:58overtly associated with a party or not
59:00associated with a party. And so it could
59:01get very muddy very fast. I mean,
59:03listen, in my preferred world
59:05as much as I hate discrimination, I hate
59:07cracking down on freedom of association
59:08more. In the same way that as much as I
59:10hate vile speech, I hate cracking down
59:12on free speech more. But it seems like
59:14that ship may have already sailed. So as
59:15long as that ship has already sailed,
59:17then the only alternative left is going
59:19to be an extension of
59:19anti-discrimination law into the field
59:21of politics. It already exists in places
59:22like California. It's just never been
59:23enforced really. And this is such an
59:25important key cuz we can say, well, we
59:26don't like this. I really wish we lived
59:28in a different world. But as you say,
59:30Jeremy, we've got to play with what
59:32we've got. You know, politics involves
59:34eternal principles. It also involves
59:37applying those principles to real
59:38circumstances that are all always
59:40changing. And if we want to survive, if
59:42we want to be smart about this, then
59:44you've got to you've got to play the
59:45game.
59:45And there's a difference between using
59:47the weapons that are the weapons of the
59:48battlefield and using the logic that
59:51they use. I'd always Right. I agree with
59:52this. I totally agree. It's It's what we
59:54always said about mutually assured
59:55destruction, right? When we launched
59:56Truth Revolt, we said we hate the
59:57tactics that we're about to use. As soon
59:58as you guys stop using them, we'll stop
59:59using them. Right. Right. And I And I
1:00:01think that that's accurate as far as a
1:00:02lot of these things, which is, you know,
1:00:04there's only one thing that is worse
1:00:06than having a nuclear weapon, and that's
1:00:07everybody else having one and you not
1:00:08having one. Right. And then That's
1:00:10right. And And it always bothers me. We
1:00:12play this hypocrisy game with the left,
1:00:14which I think is actually destructive.
1:00:16So, the left says, you know, you said it
1:00:17was a dark day when Obama was elected.
1:00:20Dark means that you didn't like the
1:00:22color of his skin. You think like That's
1:00:24not what it meant, but you said this,
1:00:26which is accepting their terms of
1:00:27battle. And I don't I don't agree with
1:00:29this at all. I I mean, I I'm really
1:00:32offended by the racial pathology of the
1:00:35left. I I think it is I think it is
1:00:38irreverent to the human condition. I
1:00:41think that the to to treat people
1:00:42according to the color of their skin is
1:00:45a wrong. And I think it's wrong no
1:00:47matter what color their skin is. I don't
1:00:49care if they're hypocrites about it.
1:00:52I want it to stop. I want to say that
1:00:54no, you know, if you're a black guy who
1:00:55did a bad thing, you did a bad thing.
1:00:57You're a white guy who did a bad thing,
1:00:59you did a bad thing. I don't care. I'm
1:01:00taking people as they come. And the idea
1:01:02now that they they're selling to us that
1:01:04anti that being non-racist is racist.
1:01:08Yeah. Is Is insane.
1:01:10Right. You can't You can't be
1:01:10non-racist. You're So, I I I You're
1:01:12either a patriot or you're racist or
1:01:13you're anti-racist. There's no third
1:01:14category called non-racist.
1:01:16That's That's why I think That's why I
1:01:18think cancel culture is so dangerous
1:01:19because what it does is it makes people
1:01:21afraid to say, "Your entire premise is
1:01:24wrong." Well, this is So, this is this
1:01:26is the biggest thing I think that when
1:01:27we when we talk about cancel culture.
1:01:28It's easy to point to the big
1:01:29circumstances of cancel culture like
1:01:31Chris Harrison Right. or or Gina. Um but
1:01:33the reality is the people it affects
1:01:35most are the people who are the
1:01:37low-level employees at Disney or
1:01:38whatever. Right? The people it affects
1:01:40most are not people like the people
1:01:41sitting in this room who talk for a
1:01:42living, right? Or or do business at a
1:01:44high level in politics. The people it
1:01:45affects the most are the people who work
1:01:47for Coca-Cola and who make $45,000 a
1:01:49year and don't have the labor mobility
1:01:51to be able to just move over to Pepsi,
1:01:53especially when Pepsi is teaching the
1:01:54exact same kind of stuff. What cancel
1:01:55culture is about is intimidating
1:01:57everybody into silence. It's not even
1:01:58about canceling anybody. It's about
1:02:00putting a head on a pike. And the more
1:02:01heads you put on pikes, the more people
1:02:02are scared to speak out. And they know
1:02:04that, which is why they're going to keep
1:02:05putting heads on pikes. In fact, it is
1:02:06imperative that they keep putting heads
1:02:07on pikes because the minute that the
1:02:09heads on the pike stop, somebody might
1:02:11push back against their dominance.
1:02:12That's why That's why I get so I get so
1:02:14disgusted. I'm almost at the point with
1:02:16cancel culture
1:02:17when a high-profile person gets canceled
1:02:20and they start apologizing like Chris
1:02:22Harrison did.
1:02:22Right. Agree. I'm at the point where I I
1:02:25despise you more Right. for apologizing
1:02:28than I do than I do despise the mob for
1:02:30canceling you in the first place. Like
1:02:31Chris Harrison is such a perfect
1:02:32example. Uh and we didn't even mention
1:02:35it in that interview that we we we
1:02:37originally talked about. He he
1:02:39He was It was at He was so circuitous in
1:02:43in standing up to
1:02:44He could not have been less aggressive
1:02:47in what he said. And he he kept
1:02:49uh articulate He kept He kept
1:02:51reiterating that, "Well, I'm not
1:02:52defending her, and I don't really know,
1:02:54and she might be a racist, but look,
1:02:55guys, maybe just maybe we shouldn't be
1:02:58destroying people's lives over this."
1:03:00And they still canceled him anyway. And
1:03:01then what does he do? He He falls to his
1:03:03to his knees
1:03:04and apologizes and admits
1:03:06He says, "Yeah, I am a racist." I mean,
1:03:07he he he he accepts their their
1:03:10accusations against him, even though
1:03:11he's not a racist. If you do that,
1:03:13then you're just as bad as them. And
1:03:15you're also all the other the the
1:03:17smaller people, the people you're
1:03:18talking about who don't have this kind
1:03:19of platform, you're throwing them under
1:03:21the bus, too, because
1:03:22you're not just as bad as them. You're
1:03:24actually worse because you're you're
1:03:26you're you've got all of their vices and
1:03:28cowardice. Like they're not worse,
1:03:29right? And that's why
1:03:31That's why That's why I I just want to
1:03:32say the the the genre of the public
1:03:35apology Yeah. has to go away. Even if
1:03:37what you did was wrong. Now, in Chris
1:03:40Harrison's case, all these other cases,
1:03:41Gina Carano, like they didn't do
1:03:42anything wrong. But
1:03:44even if you did something wrong and the
1:03:45cancel culture is coming after you,
1:03:47example
1:03:47still don't apologize for Morgan Wallen.
1:03:49I don't know if you guys tracked this
1:03:50story. One of the biggest country stars
1:03:52Oh, yes. Yes, I
1:03:54uh has a new album out. It's fantastic.
1:03:57He's a bit of a hell-raiser. Probably
1:03:58not our kind of guy. Uh he gets home
1:04:00from a long night of partying. Uh he's
1:04:02not being a very good neighbor. He gets
1:04:04out of a couple pickup trucks in front
1:04:06of his house. Some of his buddies,
1:04:08they're honking on the horn. I don't
1:04:09know, it's 1:30 in the morning or
1:04:10something. He's being a dick.
1:04:12And
1:04:13uh
1:04:14he's yelling at some of his buddies, and
1:04:16he uses a series of jocular pejoratives
1:04:19to describe his buddies, none of which
1:04:22can be said on
1:04:22His friends. His actual friends. None of
1:04:24which can be said on this show. He calls
1:04:26them nincompoops and turds
1:04:28nincompoops and yeah, exactly. Right. Uh
1:04:30poopy breath, all of it.
1:04:33[laughter]
1:04:33Then
1:04:35his neighbor,
1:04:36who's probably rightfully ticked off at
1:04:38the guy. It's 1:30 in the morning,
1:04:39you're trying to sleep. Apparently, on
1:04:41their security camera, their their
1:04:42doorbell camera, uh the next morning
1:04:44realizes uh that you can hear him using
1:04:47these words against his friends, and one
1:04:49of them is that one word that no one in
1:04:52America is allowed to say except for all
1:04:54of Hollywood, uh [laughter]
1:04:56children at church, uh if you're of a
1:04:59particular race. Yeah. Um and so, for
1:05:02this
1:05:03total Soviet-style erase erasure, he is
1:05:07dropped by his label. He is dropped by
1:05:10But his songs were climbing the charts.
1:05:12He's dropped by his label. He's dropped
1:05:13by both of the major radio entities in
1:05:16the country who who collectively own all
1:05:20of the radio stations. He's dropped by
1:05:22his
1:05:23The Country Music Awards took him off.
1:05:24The Country Music Awards disqualifies
1:05:26him. The AMAs Everybody disqualifies
1:05:28him.
1:05:29He
1:05:30He said something distasteful. He said
1:05:33several distasteful things. He said one
1:05:35thing that we as a society know there
1:05:37are special rules around. I actually
1:05:39don't accept those I don't agree with
1:05:42those rules, but there's no denying the
1:05:43existence of those rules.
1:05:45Um Nevertheless, he said it in a
1:05:47non-racial context to his friends
1:05:49privately. It was captured essentially
1:05:51by a disgruntled voyeuristic neighbor.
1:05:54Uh and for this, we've erased him from
1:05:55from civilization. He didn't do anything
1:05:59wrong. He did do something gross. Yeah.
1:06:02He didn't do anything wrong. He did not
1:06:04do anything racist. The apology that he
1:06:06put out
1:06:08to the people who have destroyed his
1:06:10life on the basis of nothing
1:06:13grants them
1:06:15Right. grants them their premise. Will
1:06:17they give him his career back?
1:06:20Of course, they're not going to give him
1:06:21his career back.
1:06:22Well, well, but there's no redemption.
1:06:24And think about the asymmetry here for a
1:06:26second, too, because when you say he
1:06:27didn't do anything wrong, well, he did
1:06:29something wrong. He came home late. He
1:06:30woke up his neighbor. He was a jerk, you
1:06:32know, so He's using words he shouldn't
1:06:34use, but he didn't use them but he
1:06:35didn't use them in the way that is the
1:06:36racist way to use that word. You find a
1:06:38black guy and shout the N-word at him,
1:06:40right? If you're thinking about what
1:06:42sort of punishment these sorts of things
1:06:43should entail, should it entail
1:06:46destroying your entire life and erasing
1:06:48you from society?
1:06:48There's no proportionality here. This is
1:06:50the This is the thing though that I
1:06:51think that too many conservatives don't
1:06:53understand, which is this is the fight
1:06:55that we're in. So, we're not in the
1:06:57fight where we have to storm Normandy,
1:06:59where we have to
1:07:00come off the ships and the machine guns
1:07:01are coming out. This is the fight we're
1:07:03in. And so And so, when you say, "Oh,
1:07:05this is going to cost you money, or this
1:07:08is going to cost you your job, or this
1:07:10is going to cost you your friends." This
1:07:12is the fight we're in. And those guys
1:07:13who stormed Normandy actually got
1:07:15bullets in the head and they you were
1:07:16were killed, lost their lives. And I'm
1:07:18worried that like we don't understand as
1:07:21a
1:07:22as a half of the country, we don't
1:07:25understand that the losses we're
1:07:27suffering are the losses you suffer when
1:07:29you are in a fight Yeah. that has to be
1:07:31won.
1:07:31to And you're going to you're going to
1:07:32suffer those losses anyway. That's what
1:07:34If the cancel mob is coming after you,
1:07:36what you have to understand is there's a
1:07:37very good chance that they that they
1:07:38will destroy your life.
1:07:40They might not. I mean, you might you
1:07:41might beat them. Gina Carano beat them.
1:07:44You might not beat them. They might
1:07:45destroy you. But that's going to happen
1:07:47anyway. And so, what you can decide
1:07:49right now is whether you're going to
1:07:50have your dignity on the way out.
1:07:51Morgan Wallen decided that he's not
1:07:53going to have his dignity because he
1:07:54apologized to these people who Here's
1:07:56the thing about an apology.
1:07:57You apologize to people who you have
1:07:59actually harmed. Oh, exactly. And so, if
1:08:01Morgan Wallen had gone to his neighbors
1:08:03and knocked on their door personally
1:08:04without any cameras there and said,
1:08:06"Listen, if I, you know, if you had to
1:08:08hear that, I'm so sorry. I apologize to
1:08:10you.
1:08:10That was obnoxious of me."
1:08:12too many. I should have gotten home
1:08:13earlier. Sorry. And then if he had just
1:08:14gone and done his his video thing and
1:08:16said, "Listen, I I I I spoke to my
1:08:18neighbors. I'm not going to tell you
1:08:19what that conversation was. It's none of
1:08:20your business. But to all you people out
1:08:22there that are trying to destroy me, I
1:08:24do not apologize to you because you were
1:08:26not harmed by what I did. You don't
1:08:27really care.
1:08:28That's right. You're excited for the
1:08:29opportunity to destroy my life just
1:08:31because you get a kick out of it. So, I
1:08:32do not apologize to you. If you were
1:08:34offended, I'm glad you were offended.
1:08:36That's all I have to say about it." It's
1:08:38You've got to do this. You're And the
1:08:38thing is, if he had if he had said that,
1:08:40he'd be in the same spot today that he
1:08:41is that that that he is anyway.
1:08:43It really But I do think there's a
1:08:44special duty that adheres to people who
1:08:45have the power to do that. Because if
1:08:47Morgan Wallen had done that, it would
1:08:49have meant a hell of a lot more than the
1:08:50local employee at Coca-Cola, right? When
1:08:52we when we like what we did with Gina, I
1:08:54think is is And I mean, pat ourselves on
1:08:55the back, but we deserve a pat on the
1:08:56back
1:08:57We're We're Mother Teresa. I mean, like
1:08:58it's actually No, you actually did
1:08:59something Like like I I And I think the
1:09:01audience knows this, which is why we had
1:09:03the best week we've ever had in the
1:09:04history of the company over this. The
1:09:06the
1:09:07By By putting our money where our mouth
1:09:09is and saying we're not going to allow
1:09:11people to be canceled, that was a
1:09:12statement in the culture. And that's a
1:09:13statement that more business people need
1:09:15to make. I mean,
1:09:17I'll be real with you. I would hire
1:09:18Morgan Wallen tomorrow. I tried to reach
1:09:20out to Morgan. Right. I mean, I would I
1:09:21would hire Morgan Wallen tomorrow
1:09:22because I don't think that what Morgan
1:09:23Wallen did was intended to harm black
1:09:26people, and I don't think that what he
1:09:27did did harm black people. Right? And I
1:09:29I think that what he did was being an
1:09:30ass. Right? And And guess what? Being an
1:09:32ass is a bad thing to do. And again, he
1:09:34should apologize if he's able. But that
1:09:36is a legal thing to do in the United
1:09:37States, and sometimes people are asses,
1:09:38and there should be forgiveness
1:09:39available to people who are asses. And
1:09:40again, and again, the president of the
1:09:43United States won't help schools open so
1:09:45black people can send their children to
1:09:46get educated.
1:09:48And it's like the real things aren't
1:09:49happening.
1:09:50there's a phrase that that Jeremy once
1:09:51said in a in a very similar sort of
1:09:54cancellation situation. And it it
1:09:56resonates here, and that is that cowards
1:09:58get their friends killed. And that's
1:10:00that's really what we're talking about
1:10:01here. Because it's not just that they're
1:10:02a coward because they're backing down in
1:10:04the hopes that they'll get their career
1:10:05back. It's the cowardice that gets
1:10:06everybody else killed. Because now you
1:10:08set the new standard, and you've
1:10:09reinforced the standard. This came up
1:10:11originally in the context of Mark
1:10:12Duplass, who of course is this famous
1:10:14director, producer, actor who
1:10:16committed the grave sin of once having
1:10:18said a nice thing about me on Twitter.
1:10:19Right? He came to the office, I gave him
1:10:20an hour and a half of my time.
1:10:22I I canceled him for that. Well, yeah, I
1:10:23mean, of course, but
1:10:24I gave him an hour and a half of my
1:10:25time. We talked about the second
1:10:26amendment stuff. I was very nice to him.
1:10:27And as he was leaving, I said,
1:10:29"For your own sake, do not post on
1:10:31social media that you were here cuz
1:10:32they're going to wreck you for it." And
1:10:33a couple weeks later, he got it into his
1:10:34head that he was going to do a nice
1:10:35thing, and he tweeted out, "I miss I
1:10:37disagree with Ben Shapiro about a lot of
1:10:38things, but he did a nice thing for me
1:10:40when he didn't have to, and he's
1:10:41well-intentioned." He got hit so hard
1:10:42that he not only pulled down that tweet,
1:10:43he then issued a groveling apology.
1:10:45Right? And then what ended up happening
1:10:46on the back of that groveling apology is
1:10:48that James Gunn came out and defended
1:10:49him. And then everybody on the right
1:10:51resurfaced James Gunn's old material,
1:10:52and James Gunn ended up getting fired,
1:10:53right? And I ended up defending James
1:10:55Gunn in this bizarre situation. So, I
1:10:57was like, "Damn knows. Like, just by
1:10:58existing, I took out half the Marvel
1:11:00universe." And [laughter] And what And
1:11:02what Jeremy said at the time is, "The
1:11:03thing about cowards is they rarely get
1:11:05themselves killed. They get all their
1:11:06friends killed." Because when you duck
1:11:07out of the battle, what you end up doing
1:11:09is granting the opposition their entire
1:11:11premise, and that premise is then used
1:11:12against all the people who heretofore
1:11:14were your friends. And so, that's
1:11:15exactly right. You should only Apologies
1:11:17are wonderful thing when you have done a
1:11:19wrong thing. If you want to have a good
1:11:20marriage, apologize first thing in the
1:11:21morning to your wife.
1:11:23[laughter]
1:11:24But the reality It doesn't matter what
1:11:26you say. It's the first word out of your
1:11:28mouth in the morning. But But when when
1:11:30it comes to public policy, the issuing
1:11:32of these Maoist struggle session
1:11:34apologies for things that you haven't
1:11:36done wrong to people you have not
1:11:37wronged. When people issue apologies,
1:11:39and they say, "To everyone who is
1:11:40offended by this." Well, no. If you're
1:11:42offended by this wrongly, I'm I'm sorry.
1:11:44Your your emotions may even be
1:11:45authentic, but that does not mean they
1:11:46are justified, and you do not deserve an
1:11:48apology. Well, you know, on this point
1:11:50of Maoism, I think that's actually the
1:11:52perfect term. There there was this
1:11:53phenomenon in the '70s with the New York
1:11:55radical women's group. They coined the
1:11:57term or sort of popularized the term
1:11:59consciousness raising. And there were
1:12:01these famous meetings where you'd get
1:12:02all these housewives to come together,
1:12:04and they would I call them wine and
1:12:06cheese soirees. They complain the whole
1:12:08time. And there's a famous essay about
1:12:10this by Carol Hanisch. And she says that
1:12:12there was a woman who came, and she
1:12:13said, "You know, before I came here
1:12:15tonight, ladies, I had no idea how
1:12:17oppressed I was. But darn it, when I
1:12:19leave, I am so oppressed and furious and
1:12:21aggrieved." Yeah. And that you see this
1:12:23now, people trying to convince
1:12:25themselves to be aggrieved and offended
1:12:28by some public comment that no one cares
1:12:30about.
1:12:30to say one thing in Mark Wallen's
1:12:33Is it Mark? Morgan. Morgan. Sorry. I
1:12:35said it
1:12:35in Morgan Wallen's defense.
1:12:38And that's that I think that for us, we
1:12:41live in this space, and we know about
1:12:42this fight. I think when when they come
1:12:45for you, and you haven't thought about
1:12:47these things in advance, Yeah, that's a
1:12:48really good point. they are taking your
1:12:50life and your name We talked about it
1:12:52with Gina. They're taking your career
1:12:53and your good And you good name away,
1:12:54and Not just that, everybody who's
1:12:55surrounding you is telling you to do it.
1:12:57I mean, honestly, the best thing that
1:12:58happened to Gina in this whole thing is
1:13:00that her agency didn't dump her. Yeah.
1:13:01Because if her agency hadn't dumped her,
1:13:03we would have called her up, and you
1:13:04know what her agent would have said?
1:13:05"Don't take their call."
1:13:05No way. "Don't take their call. Because
1:13:07if you work with them, you'll never work
1:13:08in this town again." Now, the reality is
1:13:09they were never going to let Gina work
1:13:10in the town again anyway. Right? But her
1:13:12agent would have said, "No, maybe in a
1:13:13few years, you know, you go away for a
1:13:15while, you kind of earn your way back in
1:13:16with bit parts." I guarantee what
1:13:18happened with Morgan Wallen is that his
1:13:19initial reaction was probably, "I don't
1:13:21even know what is going on right now."
1:13:22And his agent got on the phone with him,
1:13:24and his agent probably said to him,
1:13:25"Listen, you need to issue an apology
1:13:27right now. Maybe we can put out this
1:13:28fire right now, and then the news cycle
1:13:30will move on, but you need to at least
1:13:31issue the apology this And And if you if
1:13:33if you've never been through the fire,
1:13:35it is egregious. I mean, it is it is
1:13:37truly one of the worst I can tell you
1:13:40that as a person who gets trended on
1:13:41Twitter approximately every two and a
1:13:42half weeks, right? I mean,
1:13:43it is never fun. Whether it is justified
1:13:45or unjustified, it is never fun. And
1:13:48that's as somebody who does it
1:13:48professionally, right? I basically trend
1:13:50on Twitter professionally. If you are
1:13:51somebody who only trends once in your
1:13:53life, and that time is because you are
1:13:55losing your job and your livelihood,
1:13:57and it's a tsunami of media coverage.
1:13:59Like, a tsunami. Because the more you
1:14:00trend, the less big the bumps are.
1:14:02Honestly, like in terms of the
1:14:03differential from norm. Like, the the
1:14:05normal for me is that I get mentioned on
1:14:06Twitter a lot, and then on a few days a
1:14:08month, I get mentioned like a a super
1:14:10lot. But if you're Gina, you don't get
1:14:12mentioned on Twitter all that often
1:14:13except for people who are saying they
1:14:13enjoy you in The Mandalorian. And then
1:14:15one day, you are the only thing that
1:14:17everyone in the country is talking
1:14:18about. by a deluge of emails, often
1:14:21phone calls. It's overwhelming. And
1:14:23people don't know that it passes to you.
1:14:25You know, before we started, Matt and I
1:14:26were talking about Media Matters, who do
1:14:29nothing, but they sit around, and they
1:14:31listen to us, and try and twist our
1:14:33words into
1:14:34And publicize our shows. And publicize
1:14:35our shows. But they try to they try to
1:14:37make us sound like terrible people for
1:14:38things that we say, which in context are
1:14:41actually not terrible at all. And I I
1:14:43have to admit, it's a terrible
1:14:45You're going to hate me for this. I
1:14:47actually have pity for them. Like,
1:14:48that's your job. Your job is to like try
1:14:51and make other people look bad, and to
1:14:52listen to us, and
1:14:53And I just think like, you know, I think
1:14:55end of your life, like you're going to
1:14:56stand before the throne of God, and he's
1:14:57going to go like, "What did you do?"
1:14:59Yeah. Well, I Yeah. No, they're they're
1:15:02These are damaged people. There's no
1:15:03question about that. And it it does get
1:15:05to your point, which is I don't I don't
1:15:07need to accept their standard. You know,
1:15:09if they if if they basically on the
1:15:11left, all they exist to do is call us
1:15:13all racist every day.
1:15:14And then one day, a clip of Joe Biden
1:15:16goes around, and it's he stumbles on his
1:15:18words cuz it's a day that ends in Y, and
1:15:20he sort of sounds like he said the
1:15:22N-word, and then we all sort of giggle
1:15:24about that. I don't care. I don't think
1:15:26he really said that. I don't I don't
1:15:27think he is some bigot. I don't think
1:15:30that I just think it's playing into
1:15:32their game, pointing out a hypocrisy
1:15:34that they don't care about cuz they
1:15:35don't care about the rules anyway. They
1:15:37just don't like us. I would much rather
1:15:39do what I'm going to do. I would much
1:15:41rather build culture, make movies with
1:15:43people we want to work with, do those
1:15:45sorts of things, than worry about their
1:15:46stupid rules, which change every day.
1:15:48right. It mean this is the thing that I
1:15:49cling to is that racism is an actual
1:15:52philosophy, which I I don't hold. I
1:15:55don't think any of the people in this
1:15:56room hold. It It's not a slip of the
1:15:58tongue. It's not something that you
1:16:00might have said that was untoward. It's
1:16:01not even a moment of anger when some
1:16:03tribal glitch in your brain goes off.
1:16:06It's an actual way of life. I know
1:16:08racist. They They actually think the
1:16:10things that these, you know, people are
1:16:12being canceled for.
1:16:13I just don't accept the terms. I do not
1:16:16accept the terms of the argument. I
1:16:17don't accept that
1:16:19as you say, if if somebody shouted a
1:16:21word he shouldn't shout, well, that's a
1:16:22bad thing, but it's not necessarily a
1:16:24racist thing. This thing you're talking
1:16:26about the bachelor. I I just think it's
1:16:28absurd. I'll even go a step further.
1:16:30especially cuz we know it's a grift
1:16:31because of the governor of Virginia who
1:16:33doesn't get canceled for it because then
1:16:34a Republican
1:16:35I'll even go a step further. Shouting a
1:16:37racial pejorative
1:16:39is not necessarily
1:16:41racist. That's right. That's right. No,
1:16:43you're absolutely right. Doing something
1:16:45racist
1:16:47does not necessarily make you a racist.
1:16:49It means you did a racist thing. So,
1:16:51there are there actually even there's an
1:16:53even another gradation, which is I think
1:16:55a very interesting point you just made.
1:16:56Sometimes people in their worst moments
1:16:58actually do succumb to the worst
1:17:00thoughts. That's right. That doesn't
1:17:01actually define them. You know, people
1:17:03say all the time like
1:17:05And this is not to let them off the
1:17:06hook. This just points out that there
1:17:07are gradations of sin.
1:17:09of And what the left has decided is
1:17:10there are no gradations of sin. There is
1:17:11just the damned and the woke, and that's
1:17:13it. There There's this thing that people
1:17:15used to say back in college. It's like,
1:17:16well, you know, you'd you'd have a
1:17:18couple too many drinks, and you'd say
1:17:19something you shouldn't about one of
1:17:20your buddies or whatever, and you'd
1:17:22apologize the next day. And they'd be
1:17:24like, "No, what you say when you're
1:17:25drunk is that's who you really are. I
1:17:26saw the real you." Uh because all your
1:17:28inhibitions were gone. You said what you
1:17:29really believe.
1:17:30And that never resonated with me.
1:17:32Yeah, that's ridiculous. Cuz what I
1:17:33actually thought was, "No,
1:17:35when my inhibitions were gone, when my
1:17:38rational mind was gone, when I was only
1:17:40giving in to my vices and basest
1:17:43passions, you're you're you're saying
1:17:45that that's the real me. But no, the
1:17:47real me is all of the things that I've
1:17:49built on top of my worst impulses.
1:17:51All the things that I've built on top of
1:17:53my intrinsic tribalistic way of looking
1:17:56at things, or my selfish ways of looking
1:17:58at things, or my, you know, vain ways of
1:18:01looking at things, or my hateful We we
1:18:03all have the seed of sin in us.
1:18:06What we build on top of that is the real
1:18:08us. This is why we, you know, when I was
1:18:10talking about Rush a lot of this week,
1:18:12as we all were and thinking about Rush.
1:18:15And
1:18:16you know, I was really obviously I think
1:18:18all of us were really just moved by the
1:18:20passing of this guy, and all these
1:18:22liberals celebrating his death, and
1:18:24publishing things that
1:18:26he had said, some of which were
1:18:28untoward. Most of the things they
1:18:30published he never said. Yeah. But now
1:18:32and again, he said something that I
1:18:34thought like, "I don't agree with that,
1:18:35and I don't think probably Rush, if you
1:18:37pushed him to the wall, would agree with
1:18:38it." But he spoke 3 hours a day live to
1:18:41people. That's more than people It's 30
1:18:43years. More than to their spouses. You
1:18:45do not speak to your spouse 3 hours a
1:18:47day. And And And what I say to all these
1:18:50people is, "You ever say anything to
1:18:51your spouse that
1:18:52you're glad didn't become public?" I
1:18:54mean, this is this is what I I have,
1:18:55yeah.
1:18:55is what I wrote in the New York Times,
1:18:57which frankly, I'm shocked that they
1:18:58they solicited an op-ed from me. I will
1:19:00I will say, they took out a slap I had
1:19:03at the New York Times in that piece.
1:19:04There was originally
1:19:05I know.
1:19:06I mentioned the fact that the headline
1:19:08in the New York Times about Rush was
1:19:09that he had like turned talk radio into
1:19:10an aggressive right-wing attack machine.
1:19:12And their headline about Ayatollah
1:19:13Khomeini was thoughtful religious
1:19:14leader, right?
1:19:15But [laughter] it But the um
1:19:18But the the point that I was making is
1:19:19that what the left did with Rush is what
1:19:22they are going to do with all of us.
1:19:23They're like the So in in Judaism,
1:19:26so to teach y'all about a different
1:19:28religion. So in Judaism, [laughter]
1:19:29Satan is not a character who's opposed
1:19:32to God. That's not what Satan is. Satan
1:19:33is known as the accuser because he's
1:19:34essentially the prosecutor. The idea is
1:19:36that after you die, Satan comes and he
1:19:38basically is the one who is going to try
1:19:40you in court before God. He's the one
1:19:42who strings together all of your sort of
1:19:44worst moments, right? And and that is
1:19:47what this is. And this will come for all
1:19:49of us. I said in the piece that it
1:19:51wouldn't have mattered if it had been
1:19:52Tucker or if it had been Shawn or if it
1:19:53had been me or if it had been you or if
1:19:54it had been anybody who's prominent on
1:19:56the right, the reaction would have been
1:19:57the same because all our lives would
1:19:58have been would have been a compendium
1:20:00of the worst moments of us taken out of
1:20:02context and robbed of all meaning,
1:20:05right? That's all it would have been.
1:20:06And that's what you saw in the CNN
1:20:07montage, right? The montage of Rush was
1:20:08like Sandra Fluke and it was the AIDS
1:20:10stuff from 1980 88 and it was it was all
1:20:12this it was like the out of the 30 years
1:20:15of material, what are the six worst
1:20:16things he did and can we use those
1:20:18things to rag on him? Can we use those
1:20:20things to characterize his entire life?
1:20:22And we should all refuse to accept this
1:20:24frame. We should refuse to accept this
1:20:26frame. The reality is that we are all a
1:20:28compendium of all the things that we
1:20:29have done over the course of our life,
1:20:30most of which people never see. And for
1:20:32those of us who are in public life,
1:20:34yeah, the the notion that everything
1:20:35that you do can be boiled down into one
1:20:37bad tweet or one bad moment. All that
1:20:40really is is because it can be done to
1:20:41anybody. Can be all that anybody But it
1:20:43doesn't isn't. But it isn't.
1:20:44It isn't but the but because it can be
1:20:46done to anybody, that's how you know who
1:20:48they hate.
1:20:49Right? Because you can do it with
1:20:49anybody. Literally anybody. Right. And
1:20:51be but there's only one side of the
1:20:53aisle that chooses to do this to. Those
1:20:54are the people that they cancel. And so
1:20:55don't accept the standard that this is
1:20:56how people should be characterized.
1:20:58I think it's so important for us to
1:21:00reject this framework for the sake of
1:21:02our children. Yes. Because our our
1:21:04children, I mean I feel
1:21:06please think of the
1:21:07Think of the
1:21:08[laughter]
1:21:09Let's actually think about the children
1:21:10because our kids not my kids but so many
1:21:13kids are are starting out on social
1:21:15media
1:21:16Yep. at the age of like eight years old.
1:21:18Yeah. And or even if they start at
1:21:20social media at 14 or 15. And and just
1:21:23everything they think that everything
1:21:25that enters their head is documented
1:21:27forever online and you got to think
1:21:28about
1:21:29what we're what we're starting right now
1:21:31with this cancel culture if it continues
1:21:32like this. Yeah. 30 years from now, all
1:21:34of our children are ruined. They're
1:21:36their lives are ruined. I'm legitimately
1:21:38grateful to God that I grew up before
1:21:40cell phones. Oh my God. Right. You know,
1:21:42also on this Rush point, I mean you you
1:21:44figure these kids are going to be on
1:21:45social media all the time. Imagine
1:21:47what's going to crop up. Imagine if
1:21:48you've been on air for 3 hours a day for
1:21:51for 30 years and your job by the way is
1:21:53to be provocative especially earlier on
1:21:55in the career and the best thing they
1:21:57got on you is an AIDS joke you made in
1:22:001980
1:22:01[laughter]
1:22:01and can you imagine that? I think like I
1:22:03wake up in the morning, right?
1:22:05We actually pray this sort of thing. We
1:22:06say, God have mercy on me, a miserable
1:22:08sinner. You think of these lines from
1:22:10Shakespeare of like
1:22:11I could accuse myself of such things
1:22:13that it would be better that my mother
1:22:14had not borne me. All the sins we all
1:22:17commit. That's the best they got on the
1:22:18guy. He's pretty clean. He's
1:22:20[laughter]
1:22:20pretty well. And we're we're taking out
1:22:21of a con like
1:22:23the other thing we're doing is we're not
1:22:24taking of course the time when these
1:22:26things were said into context at all.
1:22:28And we and we you know, forget about
1:22:291980. We're going back to the 1840s and
1:22:32saying like whatever someone did back
1:22:34then, we're going to hold them to the
1:22:35standards of the year 2021 which of
1:22:37course is complete madness.
1:22:39I mean as somebody who is writing
1:22:40publicly from the time I was 17, I can
1:22:41say the great majority of the things I
1:22:42regret having written occurred between
1:22:44the ages of 17 and 22. Right. Right?
1:22:46Like because when you're first starting
1:22:47out, number one, you're trying to get
1:22:48attention. And number two, your thoughts
1:22:50aren't fully formed. If you don't get
1:22:51better at what you do over time become a
1:22:53better thinker over time, you're not
1:22:54being a human being.
1:22:55That's just called maturing. And so
1:22:58the and and the media celebrate this
1:22:59stuff. This is how the it's the easiest
1:23:00form of fake journalism, right? This is
1:23:02the other thing is that the media have
1:23:03made an entire model. The same people
1:23:05who whine about the fact that we get
1:23:06good traffic over at Daily Wire because
1:23:08we happen to be conservative
1:23:09and and then say that we're clickbait.
1:23:11These are the same people who will run a
1:23:123,000 word piece about some jackass of a
1:23:1519-year-old student who decides to out
1:23:18a high school cheerleader who once
1:23:20texted something about learning to
1:23:23thrive and quoted a rap lyric with the N
1:23:25word in it and got her kicked off the
1:23:26University of Tennessee cheerleading
1:23:28team. The New York Times actually did
1:23:29that. The New York Times ran a long
1:23:30piece about this this terrible student.
1:23:32I mean this guy's a
1:23:34terrible person who literally held
1:23:35There's a 15-year-old girl as she got
1:23:37her driver's permit. She put up a video
1:23:39on her phone saying something like I can
1:23:41drive now N word and it was obviously
1:23:43meant to quote a rap lyric. I mean
1:23:45clearly meant to quote a rap lyric.
1:23:46Soft R. This was not a epithet aimed at
1:23:49a racial slur. Everybody acknowledged
1:23:50this, right? This is fully obvious. And
1:23:53this jerk decided cuz he was in her
1:23:54class, he decided that he was going to
1:23:56hold on to this video. He waited until I
1:23:58think it was 3 years later. Just kept
1:24:00this video around. Waited until 3 years
1:24:02later when Black Lives Matter happened
1:24:03and she made the grave misfortune of
1:24:05posting something in support of Black
1:24:07Lives Matter. And he said, well, you say
1:24:09you support Black Lives Matter, you said
1:24:10this. Boom. Puts out the video. The
1:24:12University of Tennessee
1:24:14withdraws her her cheerleading
1:24:15scholarship which was her dream was to
1:24:16be the on the University of Tennessee
1:24:18cheerleading team which is one of the
1:24:19great cheerleading teams in the country.
1:24:20She had to withdraw her entire admission
1:24:23from University of Tennessee over this.
1:24:25Okay, we are creating an unlivable
1:24:26culture. It is only livable for people
1:24:28on the hard left. And by the way,
1:24:29everybody knows this. Everybody It it's
1:24:31not even going to be livable for them.
1:24:34Ultimately, it's not, yeah. Revolutions
1:24:36Revolutions eat their own. Every one of
1:24:38them is going to burn. All the people
1:24:40like you talk about our publicists over
1:24:42at Media Matters and Sleeping Giants and
1:24:44Judd Lum Lum and Kevin Roose and Kara
1:24:46Swisher, they don't know they're all
1:24:49doomed. Not because of us.
1:24:51[laughter]
1:24:51Not because of us because they're not
1:24:5323. Yeah. They're not woke 23-year-olds.
1:24:56The woke 23-year-olds will one day eat
1:24:59them for lunch. Yeah. Yeah, but think of
1:25:02poor Trotsky, you know? Trotsky
1:25:04[laughter] thought he had it so well.
1:25:05Yeah. Yeah. If you ever hear a ringing
1:25:07in your ear, guys. Nice pick. Nice pick.
1:25:09And it ain't us bringing
1:25:11That's That's why you know, sometimes
1:25:12you hear people on the right and they'll
1:25:13lament this happening to some of the
1:25:14cancellers.
1:25:16Nope.
1:25:17Nope. They deserve every bit of what
1:25:18they've got coming to them. They built
1:25:20this and they they deserve what they
1:25:21have coming to them. I can object to it
1:25:22happening to them and still recognize
1:25:23that they have exactly what they built
1:25:25coming to them.
1:25:26It's It's really interesting to me who
1:25:28has always you know, I've been an artist
1:25:30all my life. Half the people I know are
1:25:32gay. I've worked with all these gay
1:25:33people. I've always enjoyed their
1:25:35company. They're hilariously funny. All
1:25:37this stuff. I once went snorkeling with
1:25:38Ryan Anderson who wrote When [laughter]
1:25:39Harry Became Sally. So I'm Ryan and I
1:25:42together as one gay guy.
1:25:43Yeah, that I mean I don't know
1:25:46But I remember but I remember back in
1:25:47the day, seriously, liberals liberals
1:25:50who wouldn't come back to my house
1:25:52because they met a gay person there.
1:25:54They wouldn't come back to to see me
1:25:55because they'd come to a party and there
1:25:57was a gay couple there. And and those
1:25:59same people those same people are
1:26:00walking around with their rainbow flags
1:26:02now and and and canceling any and I just
1:26:05think like it's it's all malarkey. This
1:26:07is the thing that really gets me. It's
1:26:09all a grift. It has nothing to do with
1:26:12the happiness of gay people, of black
1:26:15people, of women, of trans It has
1:26:16nothing to do with any of that. Is the
1:26:18world happier because of cancel culture?
1:26:20It is much much more
1:26:21by the way, this is sort of the thesis
1:26:23of the my first book with words
1:26:25[laughter]
1:26:25is this kind of thing.
1:26:26minute. Wait a minute. This is shocking.
1:26:28We'll see if I can finish it. It but
1:26:30that political correctness basically
1:26:31replaces moral codes with speech codes.
1:26:33The old moral codes with the new speech
1:26:35codes. So it matters much less what you
1:26:36do. It actually doesn't really matter at
1:26:38all what you do. It matters what you say
1:26:40and the imposition of that because the
1:26:42My Fair Lady is like it doesn't matter
1:26:44what you do as long as you say it
1:26:46correctly. I think about this with the
1:26:47actor Armie Hammer. Yeah, Armie. Who you
1:26:49guys know was
1:26:51many years ago a good a good friend of
1:26:53mine, a good pal of mine and in later
1:26:55years we've not been close. Our our
1:26:58paths have taken us in different
1:26:58directions and he doesn't share our
1:27:00politics but still a guy I'm very fond
1:27:02of. Um
1:27:04and he said some things on to some gals
1:27:07that are
1:27:09hard to read. Yeah. [clears throat]
1:27:10Yeah. They're weird. He He expressed
1:27:12sexual predilections to them and for
1:27:15that
1:27:16he's being erased from the world.
1:27:17I I don't even understand the story.
1:27:19This is my point. So Armie says, you
1:27:22know,
1:27:23I want to eat toes and I'd like to eat
1:27:24your rib and some other things. And who
1:27:26among us hasn't?
1:27:27Ribs are delicious.
1:27:29[laughter]
1:27:30Oh wait, human
1:27:33Just taking back what Adam once gave.
1:27:35[laughter]
1:27:36If
1:27:38Armie didn't eat anybody. Yeah, right.
1:27:40Armie didn't
1:27:42drug and sodomize a 13-year-old girl
1:27:46like Roman Polanski did and Harrison
1:27:49Ford flew to France to give him an
1:27:51honorary Oscar. Yeah. Like This is why I
1:27:54don't get this.
1:27:55It's only what you say. There he he
1:27:57expressed some words. He expressed some
1:27:59dark fantasies.
1:28:02As I understood the story, he he has
1:28:04some kind of weird sexual fetish that he
1:28:06performed on some of these girls who
1:28:09were there. They didn't stop him from
1:28:11doing this. I'm not understand I don't
1:28:13understand what he's being canceled for.
1:28:15Like in other words, like I I saw what
1:28:17he was doing.
1:28:17in consensual sex. Yeah. And he said
1:28:20that he would like to eat a rib or eat a
1:28:21couple of toes
1:28:22in some direct messages and for this he
1:28:24must be destroyed.
1:28:25Now, I'm not making a moral defense of
1:28:28No, that Yeah, it is. It is definitely
1:28:29very disordered. But I am saying what
1:28:33what did he I was trying to think of
1:28:34puns to be honest with you. No, come on.
1:28:36Come on. No, there yeah, there were
1:28:37there were a lot of good ones, right?
1:28:39[laughter]
1:28:39Talk to me after the show.
1:28:41That was an interesting
1:28:43story because it should cuz Cosmopolitan
1:28:45magazine actually published an article
1:28:47after that
1:28:49defending um cannibalism fetishes.
1:28:52That's right. And I I read I read the
1:28:54article for some reason. I always Yeah,
1:28:56I read the article for some reason and
1:28:57it just struck me that um
1:29:00that this is kind of off topic a little
1:29:01bit I guess but it's just our culture
1:29:03has no language anymore
1:29:05to condemn
1:29:07any kind of perversion because it's all
1:29:09about consent. And so it
1:29:11the only language the only the only
1:29:13moral rule we have left is consent. And
1:29:15that's all comes down to consent. And as
1:29:17long as people consent, then we have no
1:29:18language with which to condemn anything.
1:29:21And so this article was going through
1:29:23it it you know it couldn't just come out
1:29:25and say, "Well, this is wrong to want to
1:29:27eat people. That's weird and wrong." It
1:29:28couldn't say that. So instead it was
1:29:30trying to figure out how, "Well, he
1:29:32didn't really have consent and
1:29:33you know how they did this the the
1:29:35greatest version of this, forget forget
1:29:36Army's thing, was Marilyn Manson.
1:29:39Marilyn Manson is being accused by the
1:29:40actress Evan Rachel Wood, who's very
1:29:42left-wing but just testified on this and
1:29:44some other women of engaging in very
1:29:47sort of bizarre sexual behaviors. We're
1:29:49not just talking about fantasies
1:29:50anymore. And
1:29:52the thing is these women were in
1:29:53long-standing relationships with him.
1:29:55And so when Evan Rachel Wood, and I I
1:29:57really take her side in this, but she's
1:29:58saying, "Well, I know we were in a
1:30:00consensual relationship, but it wasn't
1:30:02really consensual because, you know, I
1:30:04was brainwashed, he manipulated me, you
1:30:06know,
1:30:07fine I I totally understand that
1:30:09argument. But that argument doesn't work
1:30:12in the modern liberal framework."
1:30:13Actually I don't I actually disagree
1:30:15with you guys about this. I I think I
1:30:16agree with a fundamental point that
1:30:19you're making that consent isn't the
1:30:20ultimate definition of morality. Yeah.
1:30:22But consent is
1:30:24consent but that doesn't mean that
1:30:26consent isn't a standard. Yeah. And I
1:30:28don't And it's a legal standard for
1:30:30sure. Well, it's more that is the only
1:30:31standard that the left applies. How do
1:30:32you cancel somebody on the basis of
1:30:34violate of violating a standard you have
1:30:35not violated?
1:30:36Right. Right. I mean I I can understand
1:30:38conservatives saying, "That's weird and
1:30:39perverse and we don't want to be
1:30:41And and it's always wrong. We're not
1:30:42going to be patronizing businesses with
1:30:44people who want to eat each other's toes
1:30:45cuz it's weird. Um but for liberals for
1:30:48whom literally nothing is off limits so
1:30:50long as it is consensual, there is no
1:30:52there is no basis for canceling
1:30:54It's a weak It's a weak standard. So but
1:30:55the but the point is they they've
1:30:58If if if your standard for judging the
1:31:00morality of a sexual act is is is
1:31:01something like love, uh devotion, you
1:31:04are you respecting the dignity of the
1:31:06other person, well then you don't have
1:31:07to talk about consent at all because
1:31:09that's included in the love, devotion,
1:31:10and dignity bit. Uh but you get rid of
1:31:12all that and it all comes down to to to
1:31:14consent. And that's why you have all
1:31:15these you know, all these cases on
1:31:18college campuses. A woman wakes up the
1:31:19next day
1:31:21she had consensual sex with a man, but
1:31:22she feels used and cheap and dirty. And
1:31:25and and she and she was used. You know,
1:31:27she was used like an object, but she did
1:31:29consent to it. And the problem is not
1:31:31that she didn't consent, the problem is
1:31:32that it was not sex with dignity and
1:31:33love. But she doesn't have that
1:31:35language. So instead she figures, "Well,
1:31:37this feels wrong and I didn't really
1:31:38give consent." So I must yeah, I must
1:31:40not have gotten give given consent even
1:31:41though I did. And so
1:31:43That's a great point. That is absolute
1:31:44You know, It It is a great point
1:31:46until you say you're taking Rachel Evan
1:31:48Wood's side. I'm I'm I'm sort of taking
1:31:50her side. I'm not taking it all the way.
1:31:51where I disagree with you. I agree with
1:31:53everything you just said as a moral
1:31:54standard.
1:31:55But I'm not I'm not saying that Marilyn
1:31:56Manson for the for the the sort of
1:31:59consensual acts that he's being accused
1:32:01of hit not being consensual or
1:32:02something. I'm not I'm not saying he
1:32:04ought to go to jail for I think I think
1:32:05you're saying that I think you're making
1:32:06the same point that Matt is. He's not he
1:32:07you're you're not saying that you take
1:32:08Evan Rachel Wood's side in the sense
1:32:10that he has violated some sort of
1:32:12left-wing cultural standard and ought to
1:32:14or civil law. ought to be or civil law.
1:32:16And ought to be ended that way. I think
1:32:17you're just saying what what Matt is
1:32:18saying, which is that violated moral
1:32:20law. I I fundamentally though object to
1:32:22the idea that you can retroactively
1:32:24remove consent because of regret.
1:32:27No, I agree. Absolutely. Absolutely.
1:32:29But but the point that Matt is making is
1:32:31such a perceptive one, which is that
1:32:33people aren't actively
1:32:34it's it's a lie, in other words, when
1:32:36they say that they're retroactively
1:32:37removing consent, the only moral
1:32:39standard they have is consent. But they
1:32:40know they feel like something wrong just
1:32:42happened to them, so they do not have
1:32:43the language to express that You know
1:32:45what they're getting what morality has
1:32:46been violated other than by
1:32:47retroactively saying that the only value
1:32:49they have was violated. Since I know it
1:32:51was bad, it must not have been consent.
1:32:52Correct. I know exactly. There's an
1:32:53irony here though, which is that you
1:32:55have these left-wingers grappling at
1:32:57this very traditional definition of
1:33:00consent and liberty. The kind of
1:33:02Aristotelian or old classical Christian
1:33:04idea, which is that if you're constantly
1:33:07in vice and sin, you're not actually
1:33:09free, right? The man who sins is a slave
1:33:11to sin. The The example I use is the
1:33:13heroin addict. By By the kind of modern
1:33:15leftist standard of liberty, the heroin
1:33:17addict is the freest guy in the world,
1:33:19right? As long as he's got a couple
1:33:20bucks in his pocket, he can shoot up, he
1:33:21can pursue his appetites however he
1:33:23wants. But we all know the heroin addict
1:33:26is the least free person on earth.
1:33:28This is This is the thing, you know, you
1:33:30and I like the show Billions Billions is
1:33:32it Yeah. And and it features this this
1:33:34guy who's a prosecutor who is a a
1:33:37masochist. He's a sexual masochist and
1:33:39it begins and he's you know, for me like
1:33:41masochism and sado-masochism is like you
1:33:43flick people with a towel, you know, but
1:33:45this is like sticking cigarettes on me.
1:33:47I was like [laughter] it's not it's not
1:33:49a joke, you know, but he's in a loving
1:33:51relationship with his wife where they do
1:33:53this thing. And what you're left with is
1:33:56something's wrong with him. Yeah. You
1:33:57know, it's not it's not that they're
1:33:59doing anything illegal and it's not even
1:34:00that they're outside of a a loving
1:34:02relationship because for a large period
1:34:04of the show they're actually in a loving
1:34:06relationship, but something's the matter
1:34:07with him. And and it's you know, it's
1:34:09when I look at
1:34:11the guy who's supposed to be a girl
1:34:13who's in the
1:34:14now the Health and Human Services, but
1:34:16Rachel Levine
1:34:18I think like you know,
1:34:19I have nothing but sympathy for this
1:34:21person. Yeah. But something's wrong with
1:34:23him. You know, there's something the
1:34:25matter with him. And and I think that
1:34:26like we have to be able to talk about
1:34:28that without necessarily
1:34:31moral judgment, but at least with some
1:34:33kind of
1:34:33Because right now the argument is,
1:34:35"Well, you can do whatever you want as
1:34:36long as you consent to it." But the
1:34:38question then is, "Well,
1:34:40if there's something that's a little
1:34:41wrong, maybe we do need to qualify
1:34:43that." But two things can be true at
1:34:44once, which is two things can be true at
1:34:46once, which is you can do anything that
1:34:49you consent to as long as you're an
1:34:50adult, but that doesn't make it right.
1:34:51That's right. And this is something that
1:34:52and this is this is something that and
1:34:53and this is an ethos that is completely
1:34:56foreign to the left. Yeah.
1:34:57Right. This is where they're running
1:34:58into trouble because the ethos that you
1:34:59can do something wrong but still it can
1:35:02be wrong Yeah. Yeah. is something that
1:35:04the left isn't fundamentally does not
1:35:05accept, right? It's why they're now
1:35:06cracking back against freedom of
1:35:07association and freedom of speech and
1:35:09all individual rights, right? If you can
1:35:10misuse freedom of speech, that means
1:35:12that freedom of speech should actively
1:35:13be curbed. Right.
1:35:14If you misuse freedom of association,
1:35:15freedom of association should should
1:35:16actively be curbed. The right
1:35:18understands that there is a difference
1:35:19between the right to do wrong and the
1:35:22possibility of doing wrong with that
1:35:24right. Right? That that you can you can
1:35:26abuse a right, but that doesn't vitiate
1:35:28the central right that you're talking
1:35:29about. The left fundamentally does not
1:35:31understand this. So what this creates is
1:35:32this bizarre situation where they'll
1:35:34know something is wrong and they can't
1:35:35explain why it's wrong or which rule it
1:35:38has violated. And so they have to post
1:35:39facto create a rule that allows them to
1:35:42bar that thing.
1:35:43Right? Because because they can't accept
1:35:45the idea that somebody could do
1:35:46something wrong and also it wouldn't
1:35:47violate any of their chief principles
1:35:48because in essence they're
1:35:49authoritarian, right? In essence
1:35:51everything they don't like ought to be
1:35:52banned. And so if they can't even come
1:35:54up with a good reason in their own head
1:35:55why it ought to be banned, they will
1:35:56come up with a new rule or they will
1:35:57spin the rule so that that thing ought
1:35:59to be banned. And that's incredibly
1:36:00dangerous. This is the my only question
1:36:02for any leftist ever really. This is
1:36:04what This is what I would ask if I got
1:36:05to ask a question at a Democrat debate.
1:36:08Is Is there anything that you believe is
1:36:11bad
1:36:12that should not be banned by government?
1:36:15Is there anything you believe is good
1:36:17that should not be mandated by
1:36:18government?
1:36:20You know,
1:36:21it's so it's it's incredibly biblical
1:36:23even for your half of the Bible.
1:36:25[laughter]
1:36:26No, it's incredibly biblical that what
1:36:28we talk about why God allows
1:36:31evil. And there's a
1:36:32large body of discussion about this. And
1:36:35one of the ideas is that because he
1:36:37believes that men have to be free and
1:36:40men and women have to be free in order
1:36:41to love God, in order to serve God
1:36:43freely. But that means that you can not
1:36:45do that. And so that's that's the the
1:36:47relationship of power to the people who
1:36:50are less powerful is yes, you have to
1:36:52have the right to do things that are are
1:36:54wrong.
1:36:54But I do think I think That doesn't mean
1:36:55that they're right. That's why wokeism
1:36:57is a pagan religion. Yes. Yeah, I know.
1:36:59Wokeism does not allow I do I do think
1:37:00though the left is saying something even
1:37:02more radical, which is they're saying,
1:37:04"I'm not really free." You know, in the
1:37:05case of Evan Rachel Wood or something,
1:37:06she's saying, "I'm not free to consent
1:37:09for whatever reason, you know, I I was
1:37:10manipulated or whatever." And this
1:37:13actually gets to something the Founders
1:37:15talked about. This gets to something
1:37:17that sort of classical Lord Acton talks
1:37:19about actually, classical theoreticians
1:37:22of of liberty, which is
1:37:24to be free, you actually have to be a a
1:37:27moral and religious people in the words
1:37:28of John Adams, or you need to
1:37:31practice the virtues and and cultivate
1:37:32that. The point of liberal education is
1:37:34to do this, right? It's why we take
1:37:36little kids who are just basically
1:37:38appetite machines and doing everything
1:37:39that's bad for them, we educate them in
1:37:41their liberty and hopefully they can
1:37:43kind of tame it and be able to master
1:37:46that. But what the left is saying is
1:37:49we don't have that. We we're just
1:37:51appetite Well, one one Well, so one of
1:37:52the things that that happened and just
1:37:54philosophically that was a really
1:37:56radical shift in in sort of how Western
1:37:58thought went is that it used to be that
1:38:01people perceived natural law in the way
1:38:02the Catholic Church perceived natural
1:38:04law, which is you can look at the at the
1:38:05way that nature is constituted and you
1:38:06can derive from it rational rules as to
1:38:08how the world should work and natural
1:38:10rules of virtue as to how you should
1:38:11live your life, right? And that is
1:38:13embedded in the laws of nature and
1:38:14nature's God as is the language of the
1:38:16of the Declaration of Independence. And
1:38:18the there was a shift that happened, I
1:38:20particularly in the 19th century, from
1:38:22the idea of natural law to nature as
1:38:25guide, right? As in scientific nature.
1:38:27As in if something happened to you and
1:38:28it was natural to you, you had a natural
1:38:30desire, then this meant that this
1:38:32natural desire was justified. And you
1:38:34see this is this you can see this in in
1:38:36I mean to to be, you know, as as sort of
1:38:39cretinous as possible in terms of public
1:38:40culture, if you look at Lady Gaga's Born
1:38:42This Way, right? This is the argument.
1:38:43If it is natural for you to do it, is
1:38:45therefore good for you. Well, that is
1:38:46the precise opposite of what natural law
1:38:48suggests, which is it may be natural for
1:38:50you to have a particular inclination,
1:38:51but the world around you suggests a
1:38:53particular set of rules and you are
1:38:54supposed to incline yourself toward that
1:38:56particular set of rules in violation of
1:38:58your own right in in cuz man was meant
1:39:00to reason. But the the the this goes
1:39:02back to I think the another fundamental
1:39:05distinction that the left is is now
1:39:07attempting to conflate. There was an
1:39:08entire editorial in the New York Times
1:39:10today that was kind of fascinating. And
1:39:12it was a complaint about why Western
1:39:13philosophy was so focused on separating
1:39:15man from animals. I don't know if you
1:39:16guys saw this. It was kind of
1:39:17fascinating. All right, it was it was an
1:39:19entire essay about why do you know, all
1:39:21of Western philosophy is dedicated
1:39:22toward the idea that man is not the same
1:39:24as a squirrel. And this is very bad. We
1:39:26should actually allow man to just be the
1:39:27same as a squirrel because squirrels are
1:39:29natural and squirrels have and and human
1:39:31beings are natural and we should
1:39:32acknowledge we are not just our reason,
1:39:33we are not just our prefrontal cortex,
1:39:35we are all of the elements of us, right?
1:39:37And Western philosophy was built around
1:39:39the idea that we are not the same as
1:39:40animals specifically because Western
1:39:42philosophy was built around the idea
1:39:43that man was made for a purpose. And
1:39:45that [clears throat] purpose was to
1:39:46reason. That purpose was to use our
1:39:48brains in order to seek out God and to
1:39:50seek out the rules to live a virtuous
1:39:52life. And the left has attempted to
1:39:53vitiate that. This is why This is why
1:39:56Darwinian theory did so much damage to
1:39:57religion. Not because there's anything
1:39:59that doesn't fit in terms of evolution
1:40:01religion. You can square that circle for
1:40:02sure. But what really finished it was
1:40:05the idea that man is an animal and once
1:40:07you treat man as an animal and there's
1:40:08no fixed nature. Nature's evolving or
1:40:11But but more importantly that that
1:40:13you there is nothing better about the
1:40:15prefrontal cortex than the amygdala. And
1:40:16there's nothing there's nothing
1:40:17preferable about being a reasonable
1:40:19person as opposed to being an emotional
1:40:20person or a person who just follows
1:40:22their passion follows their nature.
1:40:23worth pointing out when Woodrow Wilson
1:40:25our you know, sort of first first
1:40:27progressive president in American
1:40:28history. Yeah, the first you know, and
1:40:29and the first left progressive
1:40:30president. He who destroyed the entire
1:40:32country. When he writes about what is
1:40:34progress, what is progressivism, he uses
1:40:37that exact exa- example. He says the
1:40:38Constitution is based on the science of
1:40:41Newton. Fixed laws, permanent nature,
1:40:44all these sorts of things. But we know
1:40:46that's bunk. We now live in the age of
1:40:48Darwin. I don't think Woodrow
1:40:49[clears throat] Wilson understood Darwin
1:40:50very well anyway, but he says Darwin,
1:40:52nothing's fixed. It's all just kind of a
1:40:54continuum man, we're not that different
1:40:56and therefore throw out all those
1:40:59permanent So have we got have we gotten
1:41:00to a point where cuz I've been thinking
1:41:02about this a lot. Have we gotten to a
1:41:03point where
1:41:06the whole conversation around rights is
1:41:08is just hopeless
1:41:10because we can't
1:41:12you get a hundred Americans into a room,
1:41:14you ask them what what is what does it
1:41:15mean to have a right, what is a human
1:41:17right and you're not going to get even a
1:41:1950% agreement. Nobody has an idea even
1:41:20what these things are. We don't have the
1:41:22same We don't have the philosophical
1:41:23grounding for it. Have we gotten to a
1:41:25point where where we you know, maybe we
1:41:27stop
1:41:28maybe we as conservatives stop framing
1:41:30our arguments so much around rights and
1:41:32find a different framework for it. Like
1:41:33so for example
1:41:35um
1:41:36abortion.
1:41:38And so for for so long pro-lifers would
1:41:40say we have a right to life.
1:41:42And that that that actually raises a lot
1:41:44of questions. Like what what do you mean
1:41:45a right to life? A a right against whom?
1:41:47Who who are you claiming this right
1:41:49against?
1:41:50Right, exactly. And if if you have a
1:41:52right to life, does that mean that you
1:41:53can't be executed and so on.
1:41:54Um maybe a better
1:41:56our word would be responsibility. And so
1:41:58what we should be saying is
1:42:00and I believe we do have a right to life
1:42:02understood a certain way, but maybe we
1:42:04should be saying that
1:42:05um a parent has a responsibility
1:42:08to their child. And what that means at a
1:42:11minimum is that you can't kill your
1:42:12child. You have to provide for them. We
1:42:14all agree with that when it comes to
1:42:15born children. You let your kids starve
1:42:17to death, you go to jail. It's kind of
1:42:18traditional conservative framing too.
1:42:20Maybe maybe responsibility instead of
1:42:21right.
1:42:22I got into this brief Twitter exchange
1:42:24with David French, one one of the things
1:42:26I said was
1:42:27you you are endowed by your creator with
1:42:30certain rights and government is
1:42:32instituted among men to ensure those
1:42:34rights. So if those rights are under
1:42:36threat, it doesn't matter where they're
1:42:38under threat. From government has a
1:42:39right to stop that threat. And many many
1:42:42people came on this this Twitter thread
1:42:44and said, oh, any argument from God is
1:42:47absurd.
1:42:48But the problem the problem with that is
1:42:50that's actually the axiom of our
1:42:52civilization. It is the self-evident
1:42:55truth that doesn't have to be proved, it
1:42:57only has to be asserted because
1:42:58everything else is built on top of it.
1:43:00You can't remove it. You cannot remove
1:43:02that assumption and we shouldn't be
1:43:03afraid to make that assumption because
1:43:05it's the axiom of the
1:43:07common argument that the founders
1:43:09consistently made and which they were
1:43:10right about, which is that the other
1:43:11half of right is duty.
1:43:13All right, rights and duties were just
1:43:14the flip side of each other. Your right
1:43:15to life is my duty not to kill you.
1:43:17Right? And and your right to free speech
1:43:18is my duty not to inhibit your free
1:43:19speech. And we all understood this
1:43:20fundamentally. What we have done is we
1:43:22have dumped the duty and we have kept
1:43:24the rights. And so once you dump the
1:43:25duty, then you can have rights against
1:43:27anyone for anything because you have no
1:43:29duty not to infringe on them.
1:43:30going to say dump the duty is a funny
1:43:32phrase, but go ahead.
1:43:33[laughter]
1:43:34That got very Yeah, it's true. Bringing
1:43:35nothing back to the show. I I think on
1:43:38that elevated note, I want to [laughter]
1:43:40do something that we haven't done in a
1:43:41while. I'm going to This has been a
1:43:42great conversation. I want to wrap out
1:43:45the show with 10 rapid-fire questions
1:43:48from our dailywire.com subscribers.
1:43:50Elecia is going to bring them to us.
1:43:51Here's the rules.
1:43:53What whoever the question is addressed
1:43:55at, they're the only one to make an
1:43:57answer and it's a
1:43:58and it's a fast pithy answer. We want to
1:44:00get through 10 rapid-fire questions.
1:44:02[laughter]
1:44:03Elecia.
1:44:05All right, the first question goes to
1:44:06Michael Knowles. A dailywire.com member
1:44:08wants to know they live in a liberal
1:44:10Mecca and they're considering leaving
1:44:11like the dailywire.com did, but should
1:44:14they be considering this and what do you
1:44:16think their options and decision-making
1:44:17should be considering they don't have a
1:44:19job or housing situation set up yet?
1:44:21Well, you're probably more likely to get
1:44:22a job in a cheaper house in a
1:44:24conservative place. So I think those are
1:44:25both marks actually in favor of coming
1:44:27here. I love it. I wish we came here
1:44:29sooner. I love being in a red state and
1:44:32specifically in Tennessee. All I will
1:44:36have a caveat here is
1:44:38I feel I got a lot out of growing up in
1:44:42left-wing places cuz I learned all the
1:44:44stupidest arguments and it cost me a lot
1:44:46of time and it impelled a lot of bad
1:44:47behavior, but I feel I came out stronger
1:44:49and wiser for it. That was a
1:44:51constructive process.
1:44:53However, if you're already formed and
1:44:55comfort is your is your goal, come on
1:44:57over baby, Tennessee is fabulous.
1:45:00All right, this question goes to Matt.
1:45:03People want to know, do you think that
1:45:04the general public or major corporations
1:45:07will ever grow a spine and just say no
1:45:10to the woke mob and the Twitterati?
1:45:13No.
1:45:14[laughter]
1:45:16Supposed to be rapid-fire, right? God
1:45:18king, I think Matt took that like those
1:45:20instructions a little too seriously.
1:45:22[laughter] Can we give him like 280
1:45:24characters?
1:45:26I think he said it all.
1:45:30All right, Drew, who would win a cage
1:45:32match between Gina Carano and the entire
1:45:34dailywire.com Oh, we'd we'd be killed.
1:45:36Are you kidding? She'd kill us.
1:45:37[laughter]
1:45:39In in my youth I might have given her
1:45:41one I might have gotten one slug in, but
1:45:42now it's it's over.
1:45:45Media matter. In his youth Andrew Klavan
1:45:47would have punched a woman.
1:45:48[laughter]
1:45:49Headlines write themselves.
1:45:52[gasps]
1:45:53All right,
1:45:54Jeremy, people want to know what kind of
1:45:56cigars are you guys smoking? I'm not
1:45:58smoking tonight. So I'm going to kick
1:46:00the question over to Mickey. Little
1:46:02Davidoff Colorado Claro. Not a super
1:46:05duper expensive cigar, but it's got six
1:46:06years age on it from our buddies at our
1:46:08old shop in LA.
1:46:11Ben, it is award season even though it
1:46:12seems a little weird in this age of
1:46:14COVID and people want to know what are
1:46:16your Oscar picks.
1:46:17Oh my god. Well, all the ones that
1:46:18they've talked about for Oscars this
1:46:20year absolutely suck or I haven't seen
1:46:21them. So I I I really haven't seen many
1:46:24good movies this year. Run Hide Fight
1:46:25should win all of the Oscars.
1:46:26[laughter]
1:46:27Aside from Aside from Run Hide Fight,
1:46:28the unproduced Gina Carano film should
1:46:30obviously also be nominated for next
1:46:32year's Oscars. 2022. 2022. I
1:46:34you know, I'm trying to think of
1:46:36anything that's really Have you guys
1:46:37seen anything good this year? I'm like
1:46:38I'm really I'm really trying to All the
1:46:40Oscar movies it's like Call Me By Your
1:46:41Moonlight or some nonsense and no one
1:46:43watches it. The Gentleman was Was that
1:46:45this year? Cuz that was a good
1:46:46Was it the Guy Ritchie film? Okay, I'll
1:46:47have to I'll have to give that one a
1:46:48look.
1:46:48It's really fun.
1:46:51I got nothing.
1:46:52Jeremy, this
1:46:53this question is for you. A
1:46:54dailywire.com member wants to know which
1:46:56actor are you kind of hoping gets
1:46:58canceled next so you guys can snatch
1:46:59[laughter] him up?
1:47:01Well, I have a list.
1:47:02I
1:47:04I hate to say an answer to that because
1:47:06it's so terrible. I will say that on the
1:47:07same day that fire Gina Carano was
1:47:10trending,
1:47:11fire Chris Pratt was trending and
1:47:14for God's sake, Hollywood, please.
1:47:16[laughter]
1:47:16Please please send Chris Pratt to us.
1:47:21I love me some Chris Pratt. Out of all
1:47:23the Chrises, he's obvy the best. All
1:47:25righty.
1:47:26Michael, do you think that we need more
1:47:27conservatives going into politics or
1:47:29going into cultural positions like
1:47:31filmmaking and producing and editing and
1:47:34all those things? Well, I think the
1:47:36answer is yes and I also think it's a
1:47:37little bit of a blurry distinction, you
1:47:39know, because obviously politics, the
1:47:41biggest definition of it is what we all
1:47:43do together, but it's a it's a
1:47:45two-pronged approach because forget
1:47:47elected politicians, they're always
1:47:48going to be sociopaths running for that.
1:47:50It's the bureaucracy that we lose in,
1:47:51the actual administrative state and the
1:47:54entire cultural apparatus and we just
1:47:56don't have anybody in any of those
1:47:58areas. So we we need to go into both and
1:48:00both both are important. I don't think
1:48:02it's only win the culture and forget
1:48:03about politics and I don't think it's
1:48:05only focus on bureaucratic politics and
1:48:07ignore culture. And technology and tech
1:48:09and everything. Yeah.
1:48:12Matt, earlier on Twitter I saw that you
1:48:14retweeted Tomi Lahren. She said
1:48:16Trump-DeSantis 2024. You said you agreed
1:48:19with half of the ticket. Other than
1:48:20[laughter]
1:48:21Other than Ron DeSantis, who would you
1:48:23pick? Like what are your top three for
1:48:25the GOP in 2024? I I don't have a top
1:48:28three. I I like Ron DeSantis.
1:48:31I I hate almost all politicians. So for
1:48:33me to even say I like him is is me going
1:48:35out on a limb. And I I I give him you
1:48:37know, that we've got three years four
1:48:39years left before so he could easily
1:48:40disappoint me. I'll I'll be ready to
1:48:42toss him to the curb if he does, but um
1:48:44I like Ron DeSantis.
1:48:45Ron DeSantis. Ron DeSantis is great.
1:48:47He's
1:48:47the governor of my excellent new state
1:48:49of Florida. He's a stud.
1:48:51And I I really feel we don't have time
1:48:53to get into all this. It's supposed to
1:48:54be rapid-fire, but I feel very strongly
1:48:56that uh
1:48:58Ron DeSantis on the top of the ticket is
1:49:00a great idea. Trump on the top of the
1:49:01ticket, I don't know if we want to
1:49:03do all this again in 2024. Um so I I
1:49:07hate to interrupt cuz I said we had to
1:49:08be rapid fire, but
1:49:10Candace Owens could would be formidable
1:49:12if she actually decided to make good on
1:49:13her tweet threat. It is true. It would
1:49:16be formidable.
1:49:16It is a true story.
1:49:17I wouldn't want to run against her. I, I
1:49:18also, just to put a little plug in here,
1:49:21I would like to be the first podcast
1:49:23host. You know, so there's other There
1:49:25are other Republican politicians who
1:49:26could be out there. Wouldn't mind doing
1:49:28a podcast from Cancun. Yeah, just
1:49:30throwing that out there.
1:49:31Something I'm encouraging people to do.
1:49:34Uh, we all know that Michael is hoping
1:49:35that Ben runs so then he can get his
1:49:37radio slot.
1:49:38That's true. That's the way I could
1:49:39actually become the first podcast host
1:49:41if I took [laughter] his podcast.
1:49:44Drew, do you plan on double masking?
1:49:47No, I don't even single mask. I
1:49:49[laughter]
1:49:49I only wear a mask when I walk into a a
1:49:52store and on the front of the store it
1:49:54says you have to have a mask to you have
1:49:56to wear a mask to enter the store.
1:49:57Otherwise, I haven't worn a mask since
1:49:59this whole thing began.
1:50:00Drew's Drew's Drew's immune to death.
1:50:02That's what happens after you've been
1:50:03dead for 5
1:50:03If I If I were If I were going to die,
1:50:05I'd have died already. Let's Let's face
1:50:07it.
1:50:07I just say I know we're not supposed to
1:50:09speak, but but on the the mask thing I
1:50:11discovered this weekend that when you're
1:50:12wearing a suit jacket, if you wear the
1:50:14neck gaiter, which is my move, and you
1:50:16wear it around your neck, it actually
1:50:17looks like an ascot. Um, so it's kind of
1:50:19it kind of works like that, so. Yeah,
1:50:21yeah. Yeah, yeah.
1:50:23No, I I haven't done I haven't done
1:50:24anything that anything that Anthony
1:50:26Fauci says I do the opposite.
1:50:28[laughter]
1:50:28Well, quick note there, by the way. I've
1:50:30heard that I've heard that, um, I I did
1:50:32an Anthony Fauci impersonation the other
1:50:33day and I heard from a lot of our
1:50:35listeners that your Anthony Fauci
1:50:36impersonation might This is the only
1:50:38nice thing I've ever said about Michael
1:50:38Knowles. I don't know what you're
1:50:40talking about.
1:50:41[laughter]
1:50:43In 10 or 15 years, maybe I'll have done
1:50:45a good impression.
1:50:48[laughter]
1:50:48That is good. That's
1:50:51Solid stuff.
1:50:52We know how Ben feels about Fauci and
1:50:55the vaccine, but Ben, somebody wants to
1:50:57know if you get the vaccine, is it okay,
1:50:59I know it's against Jewish law to get a
1:51:01tattoo, but this Daily Wire subscriber
1:51:02wants to know, would you get it tattooed
1:51:04on your arm or somewhere that you got
1:51:05the vaccine so then you don't have to
1:51:07wear a mask anymore and you can go to a
1:51:08baseball game
1:51:09I've been hearing you talk about a lot
1:51:11on your podcast. So, a couple of things.
1:51:12One, Jews not big into tattoos. Two,
1:51:15[laughter] Jews super not big into
1:51:16governments giving you tattoos.
1:51:18Right? So, that's the thing.
1:51:20[laughter]
1:51:20I think it was an optional.
1:51:22Something about that just sounds
1:51:24weird to me. Like, I don't mean to put
1:51:26too fine a point on it, [laughter] but
1:51:27it's kind of uncomfortable. I mean,
1:51:29you know.
1:51:30But, um, yeah, I'm I'm not in favor of
1:51:33as a general liberty matter. I'm not in
1:51:35favor of the idea that you should be
1:51:36barred from all public places unless you
1:51:38have a vaccine green card. I do think
1:51:41that our public officials are doing us
1:51:43an enormous disservice in continuing to
1:51:45lie to us and say that you can't go back
1:51:47to regular life after you've had the
1:51:48vaccine. It's literally the only tool
1:51:50that we know of right now that is going
1:51:52to give you the kind of safety,
1:51:54particularly if you're older, from the
1:51:55disease that would reduce this to below
1:51:57the risk of the flu. I mean, if you get
1:51:59these vaccines, these vaccines are 99%
1:52:01effective in preventing death, 95%
1:52:03effective in preventing serious illness,
1:52:05and 90% effective in preventing
1:52:06transmission. So, this bizarre idea that
1:52:09after you get the vaccine you're going
1:52:10to be still living with the mask and
1:52:11socially distancing in 2022 is
1:52:13anti-science. It is bizarre and it
1:52:15actually encourages people not to get
1:52:16the vaccine cuz if I'm 37
1:52:18and I'm thinking to myself, okay, well,
1:52:20there's may there may be like the risk
1:52:21of getting a little sick from the
1:52:22vaccine. I won't feel so good. I don't
1:52:23know what the long-term effects of the
1:52:24vaccine are. And listen, if I get COVID
1:52:26I'm not going to die anyway. I'm 37.
1:52:28And then you tell me, okay, but you can
1:52:30go back to regular life. I might think
1:52:31to myself, okay, that that seems like
1:52:33it's worth the risk. But if you keep
1:52:34telling 25-year-olds that they can't go
1:52:36back to regular life after they get the
1:52:37vaccine, who in their right mind would
1:52:39get the vaccine? And you have all of
1:52:40these idiots like Fauci saying, you may
1:52:43you maybe we'll never go back to our
1:52:45regular life. Maybe we'll never do it.
1:52:46Never. And it's like, what are you
1:52:48Why? Why? It's
1:52:50I mean, it's a scientific miracle. And
1:52:52first of all,
1:52:53the we've been ripping on big business a
1:52:54lot. Let me just say that the greatest
1:52:56thing in the world is Big Pharma.
1:52:58Big Pharma, they're unbelievable what
1:53:00they do. They generated a cure for a
1:53:02disease in less than a year. It's
1:53:03unbelievable. But But as far as kind of
1:53:05the general concept of the government
1:53:06mandating
1:53:08vaccine cards to go anywhere, that that
1:53:10raises I think serious liberty concerns.
1:53:12I think frankly people would start
1:53:13forging them to go wherever they want
1:53:15anyway. They're They're They're making
1:53:17the same mistake now that they made in
1:53:18March. Again, it's just being replayed
1:53:20because in March they told everyone,
1:53:22don't wear a mask. It's stupid to wear a
1:53:23mask. The surgeon general said, people
1:53:24stop wearing masks. And the reason they
1:53:26said that is because they don't want us
1:53:27to run out and they didn't trust us to
1:53:28not run out and and buy all the medical
1:53:30masks and then cuz they wanted it to go
1:53:31to all the Exactly. Not to us plebians.
1:53:33And so for now now with the vaccine
1:53:35they're doing the same thing again where
1:53:37they're saying, oh, no, you know, if you
1:53:39get the vaccine you still have to wear
1:53:40the mask uh, because they don't trust
1:53:44people who aren't vaccinated to not wear
1:53:46the mask because they think that if they
1:53:47if they start allowing people to Well,
1:53:49if you wear the if you if you get the
1:53:50vaccine you're not going to wear a mask,
1:53:52then they think everyone's not going to
1:53:52wear it. It's They're not trusting
1:53:54people to wear it.
1:53:54to they seem to think there are three
1:53:56choices here and there are only two.
1:53:57Right? They think that there is a third
1:53:58choice where everybody gets vaccinated
1:54:00and then doesn't go out and party.
1:54:01There's only two choices. Everybody gets
1:54:03vaccinated and parties. And nobody gets
1:54:05vaccinated and parties. No, right? There
1:54:07is no third choice where everybody
1:54:08continues to lock down until the end of
1:54:10time, especially after being vaccinated.
1:54:12It's idiotic. Like, this is one thing
1:54:13that Israel is doing right with the
1:54:15vaccine. They've done a lot of things
1:54:16right, but one thing they're doing
1:54:16right. I mean, they have shot and a shot
1:54:18night at the bars. They're telling
1:54:19people like, come and get a shot and
1:54:20we'll give you a free shot. They they're
1:54:22encouraging people to actively do this.
1:54:24And that is a That is a smart thing to
1:54:26do. That is a smart thing to do.
1:54:30All right, um, Matt, people want to know
1:54:32how is it finally being a Daily Wire HQ
1:54:35in Nashville and how different is it
1:54:37doing your show from there?
1:54:39Uh, it's pretty nice. I have a I have a
1:54:40series of complaints that I could
1:54:42[laughter]
1:54:44Um, much of them having to do with the
1:54:45break room. Uh, there's a lot of, you
1:54:48know, the other day I wanted to grab
1:54:49some half and half and all they had was
1:54:50coconut milk and like soy milk and
1:54:53almond milk. I've everything except for
1:54:55for real milk.
1:54:57Um,
1:54:57[laughter]
1:54:58there's also a lot of seaweed related
1:55:00snacks that I don't really understand.
1:55:02Must be an LA thing, but
1:55:04[laughter]
1:55:05I think you should take it up with your
1:55:06supervisor.
1:55:07I will.
1:55:08I've already registered with HR, but
1:55:10they told me
1:55:10[laughter]
1:55:11no way, so.
1:55:13Said it wasn't a valid complaint.
1:55:14They're not going to be investigating
1:55:15that. Too bad, so sad. Michael Knowles,
1:55:17I heard from a little birdie maybe named
1:55:19Dave Rubin that he's slightly bitter
1:55:21that the night before the Daily Wire
1:55:23announced their move to Nashville you
1:55:24claimed that you were staying here in
1:55:26California.
1:55:27there. I was there.
1:55:28it? So, there were there were a couple
1:55:31couple of these nights. Rubin never
1:55:33forgave you for this. Now, in my
1:55:36defense,
1:55:37nobody tells me nothing around here,
1:55:38okay? In my In my defense, seriously,
1:55:40these guys they're not telling me stuff.
1:55:42To be fair, I didn't want you to come.
1:55:43Yeah, this is
1:55:44[laughter]
1:55:44Please, Dave, get Knowles to stay. But
1:55:47it was funny because I was a di- This
1:55:49was actually we had our truly our
1:55:50farewell dinner. It was you, me, Drew,
1:55:54Adam Carolla, Prager was there, and then
1:55:56we all you guys I think you guys were
1:55:57already gone at this point. And then we
1:55:59really high-tailed it. But I was at
1:56:00Dave's place and he said, you know,
1:56:02Knowles, you know, Knowles, we're going
1:56:05to just take back California and we're
1:56:07going to you know, [laughter] we're
1:56:08going to just win back the hearts and
1:56:10minds and get rid of Newsom. I was like,
1:56:12yeah, man, hell yeah, and we're going
1:56:13[laughter] to yeah, F O A and yeah, all
1:56:15this stuff. And then like 6 hours later
1:56:17I was like, yo, bye, Dave.
1:56:19[laughter]
1:56:19See you out there, buddy. So, what
1:56:20you're telling me is that you're a liar
1:56:22who puts personality mirrors. I cannot
1:56:24believe it. I cannot [laughter] believe
1:56:26it. You ever think about acting? Yeah,
1:56:28maybe.
1:56:30It's uh Is there a part in that Gina
1:56:32Carano movie? Dave Rubin ain't staying
1:56:33in California. He'll be gone He'll be in
1:56:35Florida tomorrow. He's like, you'll
1:56:36you're going to walk outside and and
1:56:38we're going to grow old together as Jews
1:56:39in Florida.
1:56:40[laughter]
1:56:43Elisha, how many questions have we done?
1:56:45At least like one and a half.
1:56:46We've done more than 10, but I'm just
1:56:47still like rolling through them because
1:56:49I you know, you hadn't stopped me.
1:56:50Last question.
1:56:53All right, last question goes to you,
1:56:54God King, and it kind of piggybacks onto
1:56:56you asking if Michael if he had
1:56:58considered getting into acting, which he
1:56:59hadn't done in a while unless that's
1:57:01what he's doing every day on his
1:57:02podcast.
1:57:03Will any of the
1:57:05[gasps]
1:57:06Will any of the Daily Wire talent be
1:57:08making cameos in the upcoming Daily Wire
1:57:11entertainment scripted shows? Ooh,
1:57:13wouldn't you like to know, dear
1:57:15audience? [laughter]
1:57:16Uh, all that I'm willing to say on this
1:57:18topic is yes. Damn it.
1:57:20[laughter]
1:57:21I think I said too much.
1:57:23I meant to say, ah.
1:57:25Listen, be sure to tune in for Ben's
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1:57:37membership today over at dailywire.com.
1:57:40Don't miss the opportunity to see Ben
1:57:42brandish facts and logic.
1:57:44I want In In my original draft I said
1:57:46facts and or logic. Someone has
1:57:47obviously corrected the teleprompter.
1:57:49[laughter]
1:57:49Thanks again for joining us for the
1:57:50Daily Wire, the Empire Strikes Back
1:57:53Stage. We will see you next time.
1:58:02Well, hey there. Now's the time when you
1:58:04hit that like button for me so we can
1:58:06keep smoking cigars and drinking whiskey
1:58:08for your amusement. Or, in Ben's case,
1:58:10eating popcorn directly off the floor.
1:58:13He's weird.

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