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  1. 0:00If one headline could summarize the mood
  2. 0:02surrounding the cruise industry in 2008,
  3. 0:04[music] it's this: Go buy the trip and
  4. 0:07short the stock. The advice was
  5. 0:09declarative. A year into the Great
  6. 0:10Recession, it made sense. If ever there
  7. 0:13was going to be a screaming deal on a
  8. 0:14vacation, it'd be now. And if ever there
  9. 0:16was a time to bet against companies
  10. 0:18built around discretionary spending,
  11. 0:20it'd be now. If anything, the advice was
  12. 0:22a little late. Carnival Cruise [music]
  13. 0:24Lines, the biggest in the industry, was
  14. 0:27already trading at $16, roughly half of
  15. 0:30where it was a year prior. While Royal
  16. 0:31Caribbean, trading in the mid-30s in
  17. 0:332007, had fallen to a measly $7 a share.
  18. 0:37But both could and would drop lower as
  19. 0:40travel businesses reliant on 90 to 100%
  20. 0:42occupancy rates to keep the lights on
  21. 0:44just didn't engender much investor
  22. 0:46confidence in the century's [music]
  23. 0:47biggest economic downturn. For their
  24. 0:49part, though, the cruise companies got
  25. 0:51creative. Addressing what industry
  26. 0:53publications euphemistically called a
  27. 0:55challenging sales environment, they
  28. 0:56slashed room rates, they offered $200
  29. 0:58onboard credits, [music] and they
  30. 1:00included two for one airfare to get
  31. 1:02there. A sign of the times, Norwegian
  32. 1:04Cruise Lines, the third of the
  33. 1:05industry's big three, offered full
  34. 1:07refunds to those who booked a trip but
  35. 1:09could prove they had lost their job
  36. 1:10before embarkation. Wobbling, the
  37. 1:13aggressive maneuvering kept occupancy
  38. 1:14rates high enough to keep the companies
  39. 1:16upright. But doubts remained. Extreme
  40. 1:19discounting and last-minute deals could
  41. 1:21create difficult precedents should the
  42. 1:22economy bounce back. Cruising and
  43. 1:24leisure travel could take longer than
  44. 1:26other industries to bounce back, too.
  45. 1:28And then the big one. How would these
  46. 1:30companies, emboldened by their past two
  47. 1:32decades of success and growth but now
  48. 1:34struggling to find customers of any
  49. 1:36sort, fill the massive boats about to be
  50. 1:38delivered and activated in the next
  51. 1:40couple years? [music]
  52. 1:41The industry's big three saw the moment
  53. 1:43a bit differently. Certainly, recession
  54. 1:45wasn't something they expected, and each
  55. 1:47readily admitted that the global
  56. 1:48downturn hard rocked their respective
  57. 1:50boats. It was in the first line in
  58. 1:52Carnival's annual report. It was the
  59. 1:54theme of the first paragraph of Royal
  60. 1:56Caribbean's. and it was responsible for
  61. 1:58the reported losses at Norwegian.
  62. 2:01But, while each recognized things were
  63. 2:02rocky for the moment, they didn't share
  64. 2:04the belief that the industry had run
  65. 2:06headlong into an existential problem, or
  66. 2:08that [music] they had outkicked their
  67. 2:09own coverage. Rather, they saw
  68. 2:11revolution on the horizon.
  69. 2:14Royal Caribbean pointed to its brand new
  70. 2:16class of ships that they were betting
  71. 2:17their future on. Carnival had its own
  72. 2:19promising new boats on order, and
  73. 2:20Norwegian had just revamped its fleet to
  74. 2:22reflect an overhaul in its cruising
  75. 2:24style. If they could get through the
  76. 2:26downturn, they figured that the future
  77. 2:27of cruising, which [music] they
  78. 2:29themselves were introducing, was bright.
  79. 2:32They had reason to project confidence.
  80. 2:33[music]
  81. 2:34Until this point, the past two decades
  82. 2:36for the maturing industry had been red
  83. 2:38hot. Since 1990, total passengers had
  84. 2:41tripled, really hitting its stride in
  85. 2:42the 2000s. And as the Cruise Line
  86. 2:44International Association's 2009 slide
  87. 2:47deck acknowledged, even when obstacles
  88. 2:49arose, the graph still went up and to
  89. 2:52the right. What this graph, with its
  90. 2:54[music] upward trajectory and
  91. 2:55recognition of passenger resilience
  92. 2:57showed, was that the industry in the
  93. 2:58last two decades had zeroed in on its
  94. 3:01principal advantages.
  95. 3:02>> [music]
  96. 3:03>> For a majority American customer base,
  97. 3:05cruising was the cheapest, most
  98. 3:06hassle-free means of taking a vacation.
  99. 3:09Compared to researching a place, finding
  100. 3:11a hotel, booking airfare, then ground
  101. 3:13transportation, figuring out dinner
  102. 3:14every night, one could [music] just call
  103. 3:16a travel agent, put down a credit card
  104. 3:18for a single flat fee, and go on a trip,
  105. 3:20even leave the country, without having
  106. 3:22to do as much as renew a passport. A
  107. 3:25cruise, with package airfare, meals
  108. 3:27accounted for, destinations vetted, and
  109. 3:29excursions already configured, offered
  110. 3:31both the budget-focused and travel-weary
  111. 3:33a way to get out to good weather, or to
  112. 3:35see a corner of the world in a more
  113. 3:37comfortable way. Customers said as much.
  114. 3:39As these 2008 figures showed, multiple
  115. 3:41stops were important, but so too was the
  116. 3:43value, and especially the ease of it
  117. 3:45all, which surveyed as far more
  118. 3:47important to cruise vacationers than
  119. 3:48non-cruise vacationers. The problem was,
  120. 3:51this strategy [music] had a cap.
  121. 3:53Leaning into easy and convenient,
  122. 3:55cruises had established a reputation.
  123. 3:57They were for the newly wed and nearly
  124. 3:59dead. They lacked sophistication. They
  125. 4:02weren't cool, [music] and especially for
  126. 4:03kids, they were just out and out boring.
  127. 4:06But with their mid-recession era fleet
  128. 4:07expansion, Royal Caribbean was confident
  129. 4:09that it may have just bucked the trend,
  130. 4:11that it may have come across a concept
  131. 4:13to making cruising [music] cool. Their
  132. 4:16answer was this boat. When it launched
  133. 4:19in 2009, Oasis of the Seas was the
  134. 4:21largest passenger ship ever. But what's
  135. 4:24more important than sheer size was what
  136. 4:26it fit [music] inside. The ship was
  137. 4:28split into seven distinct zones that
  138. 4:29Royal Caribbean called neighborhoods.
  139. 4:31The youth zone programmed crayon classes
  140. 4:33for little ones to teen-only events for
  141. 4:35older kids. Entertainment Place hosted
  142. 4:37music and housed nightclubs. The pool
  143. 4:39and sports zone hosted everything from
  144. 4:41basketball courts to zip lines. The
  145. 4:42Vitality at Sea Spa provided 29
  146. 4:44treatment rooms and relaxation options.
  147. 4:46While Central Park, the Boardwalk, and
  148. 4:48the Royal Promenade collectively pulled
  149. 4:50together a simulation of a streetscape.
  150. 4:52The ship, by design, had something for
  151. 4:54everyone, or more accurately, some
  152. 4:56things for everyone. Rather than just
  153. 4:58drinking and eating and reading a book
  154. 5:00under the sun, every member of a
  155. 5:02three-generation family had a place on
  156. 5:04the boat that drew them in. The concept
  157. 5:06changed the trajectory of cruising. Two
  158. 5:09press releases from Royal Caribbean best
  159. 5:11encapsulate the industry's pivot. First,
  160. 5:13the announcement that the boat was on
  161. 5:14its way from Finland to Florida. [music]
  162. 5:16The release gets to the boat's many
  163. 5:17features early and then never leaves the
  164. 5:19subject. While it mentions how one can
  165. 5:21book a trip on the boat, there's never
  166. 5:23any mention as to where the boat is
  167. 5:25actually bound to sail. As for the
  168. 5:27announcement as to where the new pride
  169. 5:29of the Royal Caribbean was to visit in
  170. 5:30its first year of operation, well, that
  171. 5:32too is opened with a paragraph on
  172. 5:33amenities before getting to the part
  173. 5:35that's been overlooked, that the boat
  174. 5:37actually goes places. Of course, the
  175. 5:39principal culprit in this destination
  176. 5:41overlooking had been Royal Caribbean
  177. 5:42themselves. A tacit recognition that the
  178. 5:45business strategy was changing. The boat
  179. 5:47itself was becoming the destination.
  180. 5:50The destination-ification of the boat
  181. 5:52addressed another major challenge
  182. 5:54servicing the industry. In 2008, Royal
  183. 5:56Caribbean quietly altered this Northeast
  184. 5:59itinerary serviced by the Explorer of
  185. 6:00the Seas. It would cut stops [music] in
  186. 6:02Charlottetown, Sydney, and Quebec City.
  187. 6:05The trip would still last 9 days, it
  188. 6:07make up for the cuts with new domestic
  189. 6:09stops, but it wouldn't quite offer the
  190. 6:11same Eastern Canadian experience. It
  191. 6:14wasn't due to a lack of interest. It
  192. 6:15certainly wasn't due to the communities
  193. 6:17not wanting the business or the
  194. 6:18travelers not wanting to stop. It was
  195. 6:20down to Royal Caribbean not wanting to
  196. 6:22burn the fuel. In this industry, fuel is
  197. 6:25measured not in gallons or liters, but
  198. 6:27in metric tons. And in recent years,
  199. 6:30fuel cost has accounted for about 10%
  200. 6:31[music]
  201. 6:32of total operating expenses at Royal
  202. 6:34Caribbean, nearly matching the cost of
  203. 6:35payroll. Even though some companies will
  204. 6:37use hedging strategies to lock in future
  205. 6:39fuel at a given rate, the industry is
  206. 6:41uniquely vulnerable to fuel price
  207. 6:43variability, and it was no different in
  208. 6:442008 when the cost of crude more than
  209. 6:47doubled in the course of a year. The
  210. 6:49short-term fix, given that 60% of all
  211. 6:51fuel used on a cruise goes towards
  212. 6:52physical propulsion, was to cut stops,
  213. 6:55shorten routings, and slow the boats, or
  214. 6:57just add fuel surcharges. Neither goes
  215. 6:59over particularly well with the
  216. 7:00clientele. As a customer at the time
  217. 7:02pointed out, [music] for those that are
  218. 7:03invested in the destination itself, such
  219. 7:06changes in itineraries basically ruin an
  220. 7:08entire trip. But the long-term solution
  221. 7:10to better adjust for things they
  222. 7:12couldn't control was to focus on what
  223. 7:14they could. For Royal Caribbean and the
  224. 7:15rest, it was to alter the emphasis on
  225. 7:17the cruise experience. Make the trip
  226. 7:19about what they could guarantee, the
  227. 7:21boat and the experience it provides,
  228. 7:23rather than the stops the boat makes or
  229. 7:25doesn't.
  230. 7:26In the decade that followed, the
  231. 7:28innovation of strategy compelled
  232. 7:29innovation in design. Spearheaded by
  233. 7:31Royal Caribbean and the launch of the
  234. 7:33Oasis of the Seas, the industry entered
  235. 7:35a big boat bonanza. [music]
  236. 7:38Royal Caribbean's fleet boomed from this
  237. 7:40to this, adding an entirely new class of
  238. 7:43ships while doubling its offering in the
  239. 7:44Oasis class with two new additions. From
  240. 7:47'09 to '19, both Norwegian and Carnival
  241. 7:50added two new classes of their own and
  242. 7:52seven new boats each. Justifying the
  243. 7:54expansion of each was the increased
  244. 7:56investment into each brand's developing
  245. 7:58niche. Carnival was, as they put it,
  246. 8:00fun. They were the easiest as a family,
  247. 8:02running itineraries out of accessible
  248. 8:04and drivable ports. They were affordable
  249. 8:06and unpretentious. Norwegian, with an
  250. 8:08emphasis on its freestyle concept,
  251. 8:10essentially dining, recreating, doing
  252. 8:12anything really on your own schedule,
  253. 8:14was sleek and comparatively refined,
  254. 8:16welcoming to young professionals,
  255. 8:18adults, couples. While Royal Caribbean,
  256. 8:20as they put it, was increasingly amped,
  257. 8:23stuffing their ships with as many
  258. 8:24groundbreaking firsts as they could
  259. 8:26possibly imagine. There was something
  260. 8:28for everyone in the family, but it cost
  261. 8:29a bit more. All maintained their brand
  262. 8:31messaging and values through their ever
  263. 8:33bigger boats.
  264. 8:36Bigger boats didn't sink the industry
  265. 8:37like some had feared, they broke the
  266. 8:39industry into a new [music] strata. 18
  267. 8:42million global passengers in 2009
  268. 8:44reached nearly 30 million by 2019.
  269. 8:46>> [music]
  270. 8:46>> And more than ever, the diversity of the
  271. 8:48destination of these guests had
  272. 8:50flattened out, with over a third
  273. 8:51choosing the Caribbean. For Royal
  274. 8:53Caribbean, annual itineraries used to
  275. 8:55look like this. A lot of West Coast
  276. 8:57options, a lot of East [music] Coast
  277. 8:58ports of departure, a lot of variety. By
  278. 9:012019, it looked like this. A lot of
  279. 9:03Caribbean with a lot of the Caribbean
  280. 9:05cruises being serviced from US ports
  281. 9:07near and near to [music] the Caribbean.
  282. 9:10By 2024, it looked like this. Even more
  283. 9:12Caribbean and a new wrinkle, shorter
  284. 9:14average trips. Some of this is explained
  285. 9:17by simple physical limitations. Cruising
  286. 9:19in Alaska or Canada or Europe is only
  287. 9:22feasible during the summer, while the
  288. 9:23Caribbean is year-round. Or the fact
  289. 9:25that Oasis class boats carrying the most
  290. 9:27customers just can't access ports like
  291. 9:29Baltimore's because they're too big to
  292. 9:31clear under the Chesapeake Bay Bridge
  293. 9:32safely. It's also recognition that
  294. 9:35diversity of destination is also just
  295. 9:36less central to the considerations of
  296. 9:38the traveler as the boats themselves
  297. 9:40have become a more central attraction.
  298. 9:42And this, in turn, helps the company.
  299. 9:44First, the fuel savings. [music] Simply,
  300. 9:46the distance is fractional for Caribbean
  301. 9:48routing than a California to Mexico
  302. 9:50routing, which not only saves mileage,
  303. 9:52but if it's a cruise drawn out across 7
  304. 9:54days, the boat can go slower.
  305. 9:56Then there's the fact that Royal
  306. 9:57Caribbean has its own private resource
  307. 9:59within the islands, [music] as does
  308. 10:00Carnival, as does Norwegian. Now, rather
  309. 10:03than passengers spending money in port
  310. 10:04of call communities, that money's being
  311. 10:06spent in their extended experience.
  312. 10:09Beyond the company islands and the
  313. 10:10comparative fuel savings, there's also
  314. 10:12the image work. Because its itineraries
  315. 10:14are plotting and pretty limited, it can
  316. 10:16present fuel savings as a win in the
  317. 10:18ever contentious environmental impact
  318. 10:19assessment of these boats, that they're
  319. 10:21being more fuel efficient than ever. By
  320. 10:24rightly maneuvering to adjust for
  321. 10:25consumer taste, big cruise has a won,
  322. 10:28and they've kept winning. Through a
  323. 10:30global pandemic that, again, certainly
  324. 10:32seemed like the end of the industry, the
  325. 10:33boats have only gotten bigger, and
  326. 10:35cruising, now offering shorter and
  327. 10:37shorter routings for PTO-crunched
  328. 10:39millennials, has only gotten more
  329. 10:41mainstream. But the industry is
  330. 10:42innovating again. This time, not through
  331. 10:44extreme size, but increasingly extreme
  332. 10:46experiences.
  333. 10:48There's a prevailing thought shared
  334. 10:49across the industry that no cruise
  335. 10:51company is competing with or even
  336. 10:53thinking about the other cruise
  337. 10:55companies. They're competing with a
  338. 10:56land-based travel. So now, land-based
  339. 11:00travel is fighting back. You won't find
  340. 11:02Ritz-Carlton referring to its growing
  341. 11:04fleet of commercial superyachts as
  342. 11:05cruise ships.
  343. 11:06>> [music]
  344. 11:06>> In an industry where 1,000 guests
  345. 11:08qualifies a ship as small or boutique,
  346. 11:11the Ritz's first passenger ship, the
  347. 11:12Evrima, holds only 298 guests. Perhaps
  348. 11:16not a cruise ship, the Evrima does
  349. 11:18commercially cruise, booking out [music]
  350. 11:207-day itineraries on plotting
  351. 11:21Mediterranean routes in the summer and
  352. 11:23Caribbean routes in the winter. And the
  353. 11:25offering is meant to fill a niche within
  354. 11:26the industry. It was positioned to fill
  355. 11:28the ultra-luxury cruising void with a
  356. 11:30purpose-built boat that blended elements
  357. 11:32of cruises and super yachts. Providing
  358. 11:34the requisite confidence to invest
  359. 11:36[music] in a $300 million project like
  360. 11:37this was the fact that cruising is
  361. 11:39pretty in line with the company's core
  362. 11:41competencies. The Ritz relies on loyalty
  363. 11:43in the luxury hotel sector. Whether in
  364. 11:45Aspen or New York, all their properties
  365. 11:47have a similar warm yet refined look and
  366. 11:49feel. They have staff trained to
  367. 11:51remember names and to go [music] the
  368. 11:52extra mile to help a guest. They have
  369. 11:54restaurants run by empowered and
  370. 11:56long-serving chefs. All these are things
  371. 11:58that keep customers coming back even
  372. 11:59strong customers to visit far-flung
  373. 12:01vacation destinations because they have
  374. 12:03so much faith in the hotel. All these
  375. 12:05aspects are easily transferable over to
  376. 12:07a super yacht. The boat, with its ample
  377. 12:09exposed wood grain, looks like a Ritz
  378. 12:11while the dining experience was designed
  379. 12:13by the head chef at the Ritz-Carlton in
  380. 12:15Wolfsburg. As for customer service, it's
  381. 12:17the same as the hotels, too. Staff smile
  382. 12:20and make eye contact with passing guests
  383. 12:22[music] at 10 ft and greet them at 5
  384. 12:24just like they're trained to do on land.
  385. 12:26They're also empowered to spend up to
  386. 12:27$2,000 to resolve an issue that a guest
  387. 12:29runs into without management
  388. 12:31green-lighting it. On water, the Ritz
  389. 12:33believed it could provide what it does
  390. 12:34on land and its customers trusted it as
  391. 12:36much. In the first year of service, the
  392. 12:38Evrima welcomed guests that half the
  393. 12:40time had never ever taken a cruise
  394. 12:42before.
  395. 12:43>> [music]
  396. 12:43>> While the Ritz-Carlton may have been the
  397. 12:44first, the rest are coming. The first of
  398. 12:46the Four Seasons and Orient Expresses
  399. 12:48respective forays into the space are set
  400. 12:50to hit the water in 2026, while Aman's
  401. 12:52will hit the water in 2027.
  402. 12:55Leaning into loyalty and brand trust is
  403. 12:57not a strategy reserved just for the
  404. 12:59ultra luxury yacht. Disney has taken a
  405. 13:01similar approach with their own niche. A
  406. 13:03relatively small player in the industry
  407. 13:04beginning in the early 2000s, Disney,
  408. 13:07too, saw opportunity in pivoting to a
  409. 13:08more exciting and experiential cruising
  410. 13:10model toward the end of the decade. With
  411. 13:12new ships on the water in the early
  412. 13:142010s and new ships on order by
  413. 13:16mid-decade, the company invested in the
  414. 13:18sector with confidence because
  415. 13:19leadership saw it as an intuitive
  416. 13:21extension of the brand and its services
  417. 13:23rather than an expansion into a a space.
  418. 13:26It's reflected in corporate structure.
  419. 13:28Rather than a component that's
  420. 13:29outsourced or siloed, Disney Cruises
  421. 13:31exists within Disney Experiences, the
  422. 13:34same division that runs the famed parks.
  423. 13:36All this means that the cruise line is
  424. 13:38designed by, led by, informed by
  425. 13:40strategy and best practices honed from
  426. 13:42running parks and hotels since the
  427. 13:441950s. Similar to Ritz-Carlton, they
  428. 13:47stay busy and bring back repeat
  429. 13:49customers because they employ what works
  430. 13:51on land. The thematic style of the boats
  431. 13:54works for kids, costume staff members
  432. 13:56charm parents by accommodating food
  433. 13:58allergies and replacing a dropped ice
  434. 14:00cream. The entertainment, from shows to
  435. 14:02rides, broadly works for just about
  436. 14:04everyone, regardless of generation.
  437. 14:06While the company intersperses some
  438. 14:08pretty unique itineraries within its
  439. 14:09heavy dosing of Caribbean routings that
  440. 14:11usually pass through Disney's Castaway
  441. 14:13or Lookout Keys, it's most often the
  442. 14:15on-boat experience that guests talk
  443. 14:17about. Up to a 2.2% market share,
  444. 14:21Disney's introduced a new boat in 2025,
  445. 14:23expecting another in 2026, and another
  446. 14:26in 2027, all of which from their largest
  447. 14:29line, the Wish class. All major
  448. 14:31investments, but investments justified
  449. 14:33by a confidence that it can deliver at
  450. 14:35sea what it does on land. Disney Cruises
  451. 14:38is growing fast, but in an industry
  452. 14:41that's not seeming to slow, it's not
  453. 14:43setting the pace, it's just keeping up
  454. 14:44with the rest. In a conversation with
  455. 14:46Royal Caribbean leadership reflecting on
  456. 14:48strategy during the Great Recession,
  457. 14:50company leadership expressed one regret,
  458. 14:53that they slowed future ship orders for
  459. 14:55the following decade to quietly hedge
  460. 14:57for some slowdown. When cruising bounced
  461. 14:59back remarkably fast, when their new
  462. 15:01boats are ready delivered were leading
  463. 15:03the way, they were momentarily behind
  464. 15:05again. It was a lesson that they and the
  465. 15:07rest carried into COVID. The industry
  466. 15:10would obviously slow, but not forever,
  467. 15:12and they'd be ready when travel
  468. 15:14returned.
  469. 15:15Perhaps counterintuitively, what the big
  470. 15:17boat bonanza of the last two decades
  471. 15:18reflects is an industry increasingly
  472. 15:21aware of its own advantageous
  473. 15:23flexibility. With foundational cost and
  474. 15:25convenience advantage, cruising simply
  475. 15:27outcompetes the rest of the vacation
  476. 15:29sector in its nimbleness. A hotel can
  477. 15:31renovate, certainly, but a cruise can
  478. 15:33reinvent its ship from the ground up.
  479. 15:36And more importantly, a ship moves. If
  480. 15:39fuel prices are up, a ship can move
  481. 15:41less. If a destination grows dull or too
  482. 15:44expensive or politically unstable, an
  483. 15:46itinerary can simply change. If consumer
  484. 15:49preference asks for shorter routing so a
  485. 15:51younger clientele can save some PTO, the
  486. 15:53cruise industry can accommodate. While
  487. 15:55the reputation of a lack of
  488. 15:57sophistication may linger, a sense that
  489. 15:59cruises can be boring or weird or
  490. 16:01sketchy still exists, the industry
  491. 16:03doesn't just persist, it thrives. 50
  492. 16:07separate new builds are set to hit the
  493. 16:08water from 2026 to 2030. Some big enough
  494. 16:11for 5 to 6,000 guests, and about half
  495. 16:14with 1,000 plus guest occupancies. The
  496. 16:17race for more and bigger boats just
  497. 16:20won't stop.
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