The AI Bubble Didn’t Pop. Hedge Fund Leverage Did. — Transcript
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- 0:00We got a lot to cover.
- 0:02A lot of slides, a lot of
- 0:05market internals. Hopefully, I'm going
- 0:06to be able to shed some uh
- 0:09uh
- 0:11some experience on
- 0:14what have you. See, I'm I'm hoodies up
- 0:16this week because I don't know if you
- 0:17guys read the news, but the air bubble
- 0:20has popped.
- 0:21That is the news that is coming out at
- 0:23the end of last week. And I have never
- 0:25received more panic emails from people
- 0:28I've known over the years in terms of
- 0:31does this remind you of '08? Does this
- 0:32remind you of '01? Is this the same type
- 0:35of situation? And the answer for
- 0:36everyone is
- 0:38uh my career began in 1994 with Mexico.
- 0:41I trade started trading a book 2 months
- 0:42before the devaluation. I was at Morgan
- 0:45Stanley. I was a young person involved
- 0:47in a market going through things I've
- 0:49never seen before. Then I was part of
- 0:51'97 and '99 in emerging markets trading
- 0:54everything through the EM crisis,
- 0:56including the closure of LTCM was on
- 0:58both sides of their business, meaning on
- 1:01the
- 1:02other side of their trades as they were
- 1:03doing things in Brazil, and then part of
- 1:05the shutdown, and then a bunch of them
- 1:07worked at Morgan Stanley, and it was
- 1:09like working with the greatest people
- 1:10I've ever been with because I got to ask
- 1:12them, "How could you how could what
- 1:14happened happened occur?" And you notice
- 1:18LTCM leverage lessons. I'll be going
- 1:20through those.
- 1:21I came back to the US. I took over the
- 1:23S&P. Then I was there for the dot-com
- 1:25bubble, managing ETF business, index
- 1:27businesses. I was a part of all of that
- 1:29on the other side of billion-dollar
- 1:31transactions every day.
- 1:33Then I traded a billion-dollar macro
- 1:35book throughout the great financial
- 1:36crisis, took money out of the banks
- 1:38weekly and put it into gold. I have
- 1:40traded all kinds of things and been
- 1:42involved as a CIO during COVID. I bring
- 1:46this up because
- 1:48this is not a bubble popping. It might
- 1:50be in the future. It's not now. So, with
- 1:53hoodies up,
- 1:54I'm going to give you guys a lot of
- 1:57different things to go through. Again,
- 1:59I'm doing this for your information,
- 2:01your education, and hopefully not this
- 2:03week. We didn't make money this week,
- 2:05but over the long term, the goal of this
- 2:07is to make sure that in weeks like this,
- 2:09you're paying attention to the stuff
- 2:11that's actually happening
- 2:12and not to the noise that's going on.
- 2:15There is a bubble being popped.
- 2:18It is not in the equity market, and it
- 2:20is not in the economy.
- 2:22This is a true number. This is the
- 2:25rolling drawdowns of the S&P 500 over
- 2:27time. Here is the Great Financial
- 2:30Crisis. Look at that, almost 60% peak to
- 2:33trough. Here's the dot-com bubble.
- 2:35Eventually got to 50.
- 2:37Here is COVID, got close to 40. Here is
- 2:41when the Fed's raising rates. Here is
- 2:43the tariff tantrum.
- 2:45Here we are now. We are 2.7%
- 2:48off the all-time highs in the S&P 500 as
- 2:50of the close of Friday.
- 2:52Guys,
- 2:54please.
- 2:56Here's the bubble that has popped. I
- 2:57will go through this. Hedge fund
- 2:59leverage has popped. It will never ever
- 3:01ever ever ever, in my opinion, exceed.
- 3:03And what we are going through is a
- 3:05constant deleveraging that needs to
- 3:08happen. CoreWeave, not a problem.
- 3:11Hedge funds, big problem. I'll go
- 3:13through the reasons why. This is
- 3:15multi-strat leverage, which peaked, and
- 3:17this is from
- 3:18the Treasury.
- 3:20Peaked, started to decline.
- 3:23You're going to see more of this. I'm
- 3:24going to go through why.
- 3:26Hedge funds leverage is in a complete
- 3:30and utter dismantling.
- 3:33There will never be a time where you
- 3:35will see it go up, in my opinion, based
- 3:37on the things that I'm going to show
- 3:38you,
- 3:39because at the end of the day, you have
- 3:41to provide a sharp ratio that makes
- 3:43sense. And we are seeing extraordinary
- 3:45moves. And remember, as I go through the
- 3:48leverage, the leverage in the hedge
- 3:49funds
- 3:50dramatically bigger than anything going
- 3:52on in AI right now, not even close.
- 3:56Here's the Coreweave chart. This is
- 3:57where we closed the week. I just want to
- 3:59show this because this is the fifth time
- 4:02the equity price has been here. Every
- 4:04single bubble I have ever traded when it
- 4:07has popped, the equity is down massively
- 4:11in the bubble popping situation way way
- 4:14way way further than this. By the time
- 4:16we get to the bubble popping, when you
- 4:18see the bubble popping. And again, maybe
- 4:20there will be an AI bubble in a year, in
- 4:222 years. We definitely are constrained
- 4:25like I said last week, capital is the
- 4:27biggest risk. We continue to tap the
- 4:29markets for more capital. This is not
- 4:31about non-payments, this is not about
- 4:33not earnings, this is not about GPU
- 4:34prices falling. So, we're ahead of the
- 4:36game on the fundamentals, which means
- 4:38like there's been in Coreweave where
- 4:40we've had these panics, we get a bounce
- 4:41and we get a bounce. Now, the bounces
- 4:43seem to be getting shorter
- 4:45and I don't have a problem like I said
- 4:46on the weekly video for subscribers with
- 4:49the equity price of of Coreweave
- 4:51building in a higher risk premium.
- 4:53But, look at what started this whole
- 4:55thing. And again, hedge funds were
- 4:57losing money from July in a historic
- 5:00fashion.
- 5:01They got a bounce somewhat in September,
- 5:04but as I'm going to show you, some news
- 5:05came out after I did the video last week
- 5:07that shocked me. I can't believe it
- 5:09wasn't more of a story. Gartner says
- 5:11over 3 and 1/2 trillion of AI
- 5:13infrastructure spending could be exposed
- 5:14to impairment by the end of 2030. First
- 5:16of all,
- 5:18we don't have this number yet.
- 5:20So, I I just want to make sure you
- 5:22realize what this is saying. I've never
- 5:23in my history of trading markets seen a
- 5:26forecast out to 2030 that anyone cared
- 5:28about.
- 5:29We're talking about 4 and change years
- 5:31from now
- 5:33could be exposed. And yet, people sent
- 5:35this to me going up, this is a problem
- 5:37for Coreweave. Coreweave might be in
- 5:39trouble then, but we have no idea what's
- 5:41going to happen. If interest rates go
- 5:43down, it's not a problem for them. If
- 5:45the cost of memory and everything goes
- 5:46down to building a data center, but the
- 5:48compute demand stays high, you can have
- 5:50massive endless compute demand. And as
- 5:52Jim Chanos has showed, it may not be a
- 5:55good equity business. It doesn't mean
- 5:57it's going to zero. It doesn't mean
- 5:58we're going to have an unwind. Here's a
- 6:00chart of the S&P, again, sitting near
- 6:02the all-time highs.
- 6:05Here
- 6:06this one's also astonishing. So, here
- 6:09are Friday's returns around the globe.
- 6:13So, the S&P's down 1%. Big deal. The VIX
- 6:16has been trading 16. So, we're barely
- 6:19getting one standard deviation falls. It
- 6:20had been like 100 days that we had gone
- 6:22without getting a 1% move. We had two of
- 6:24them last week. The Nasdaq's down two.
- 6:26On the same day that that's happening,
- 6:29look at these.
- 6:30I mean, again, Brazil's up, Mexico's up,
- 6:34Canada's up, Europe's up. Every single
- 6:36one of them is up.
- 6:38If you go look at the last 5 days, S&P
- 6:42down, so this is for the week, down 2%,
- 6:45down 4 and 1/2. Again, Europe's up
- 6:47across the board. Look at Mexico.
- 6:49Uh
- 6:50Nikkei's down. The AI trade is what's
- 6:53down. Again, the AI trade is down. So,
- 6:56year-to-date, here's where we they are.
- 6:57The S&P's up 12, Nasdaq's up 13. Again,
- 7:01bubbles popping. If people are right on
- 7:04this, they are the best forecasters I've
- 7:06ever seen. So,
- 7:08in January of 2007, just to give you one
- 7:12example, you can do this throughout the
- 7:13dot-com bubble. It did not become
- 7:15obvious what the problems were in the
- 7:16dot-com bubble until well after the
- 7:18equity market had started to fall, well
- 7:20after. In the case of here, we were
- 7:23getting defaults already. Like, the
- 7:26housing bubble was unwinding in 2006,
- 7:292007, way before. Probably 2007 is the
- 7:33better one. I think March of 2007 is
- 7:35when I associate as when at the fund we
- 7:38were at, we were short, we had the big
- 7:40short trade on as well. We started
- 7:42seeing these things which we knew were
- 7:45horrible mortgages that were being
- 7:47written. As I said in my subscriber
- 7:49thing this week,
- 7:50when I go through the core weave
- 7:52clients, remember the clients of the
- 7:54subprime mortgages? The story and thing
- 7:56strippers in Florida were getting
- 7:59mortgages. So, again, this is not the
- 8:01same scam that was done. There's demand
- 8:05for all of this. Here's AIG. You can go
- 8:07back and look at AIG stock price. I
- 8:09advise you to go look at Sienna stock
- 8:10price, which is another AI chart right
- 8:13now. But, when this thing finally fell,
- 8:16again, before we got to Lehman Brothers,
- 8:18which was in here,
- 8:19all of financials were down massively.
- 8:22The
- 8:23credit spreads were widening. Here's
- 8:25where we finish when people said, "How
- 8:27do I watch credit? How bad is credit?"
- 8:29Here is the high yield side
- 8:33of option adjusted spreads within side
- 8:35the cash bonds. So, again, are we doing
- 8:38anything other than what we did across
- 8:40so many different times here? Of course
- 8:42not. Is this COVID?
- 8:44No. Is this
- 8:47the fracking situation in by the
- 8:49[clears throat] time we got again to a
- 8:50serious problem in oil? No. And again,
- 8:53it's not to say that we can't get up to
- 8:54those levels. We can. We're not there
- 8:57yet. And now I'm going to take you
- 8:58through what this is from my
- 9:00perspective.
- 9:01I was heavily involved with Long-Term
- 9:03Capital Management. For those of you who
- 9:05haven't read this book, it's probably a
- 9:07good time to pull it out
- 9:09and go understand it.
- 9:11Hedge funds at the end of the day are
- 9:13leverage vehicles. They are making bets
- 9:17to some degree on volatility and
- 9:19correlation amongst a diversification of
- 9:22assets. For the most part, a multi-strat
- 9:24in particular, it's across different
- 9:25types of strategies. Hundreds of them in
- 9:28some of the largest places with
- 9:29thousands of investment professionals
- 9:32hoping that there'd be a low
- 9:33correlation. The problem is,
- 9:36since I've been involved with markets,
- 9:39hedge funds have focused their attention
- 9:41for the most part, the way that you
- 9:42really get diversified is by having high
- 9:45trading activity, which means you depend
- 9:49on stocks to move
- 9:52based on information.
- 9:53So, if you get really good information
- 9:56and you think companies are going to
- 9:57beat the quarter cuz you've worked
- 9:59really hard, you've done all the channel
- 10:00checks, and you've done things that a
- 10:01retail investor can't do historically,
- 10:05and they beat the the quarter, you
- 10:07should make money.
- 10:08Well, again, I show this all the time.
- 10:11Here's Nvidia. The stock price is
- 10:13effectively unchanged since October of
- 10:16last year. 1 year, it's effectively
- 10:18unchanged.
- 10:20Their earnings have blown away consensus
- 10:22in a way that nobody could have
- 10:23expected, and what we've had is a
- 10:25complete crash
- 10:28in their PE, which is now down off next
- 10:31year's earnings to 15, and depending on
- 10:33where you go, if you take the higher
- 10:34area, it's probably closer to 10.
- 10:38That's what's happened is as they beat
- 10:40numbers, the stock's not reacting that
- 10:42way. And it was fine when it was just
- 10:44Nvidia for most of this year, but it has
- 10:47spread to the entire AI trade, and this
- 10:49is why when I said back the fireworks
- 10:51show is over, this is directly what it
- 10:54was referenced to.
- 10:55You will never go through what you went
- 10:57through in the first quarter again, ever
- 10:59again in public stocks, ever. As far as
- 11:01I'm concerned, we have destroyed
- 11:03terminal value.
- 11:05That terminal value means that any
- 11:06company's earnings past 3 years, we have
- 11:09no idea whether they're going to survive
- 11:10or not.
- 11:12The hedge fund industry is at all-time
- 11:14record leverage.
- 11:15I'm going to move this over so you can
- 11:16see it. This is from the fret the the
- 11:20the Fed, and this is through Q1
- 11:23of this year.
- 11:24Okay? All time, but more importantly,
- 11:27look at the leverage effectively from
- 11:292018
- 11:31to 2023, it was unchanged. We've now
- 11:34gone up dramatically and more than
- 11:37doubled. The leverage provided by the
- 11:39prime brokers of the banks, another
- 11:41place where crypto is going to have an
- 11:43impact,
- 11:44is at all-time highs. Here it is from
- 11:48the OFR report.
- 11:50Breaks it out by category, multis.
- 11:53These are big numbers. Here's long-short
- 11:55equity.
- 11:57Close to two to one.
- 11:58You're borrowing money. So, hedge funds
- 12:00make money on leverage.
- 12:02And there are multiple ways that you can
- 12:04use when you use leverage. When you're
- 12:06not taking directional bets in the
- 12:08market. And again, the net exposure
- 12:09across the board for multis is very low.
- 12:12For long-short equity, it's been on the
- 12:14decline for most of this year, but the
- 12:15gross has remained high. Now, this is
- 12:18all through Q2. We know that July must
- 12:22have had an impact and these numbers
- 12:23must have come down because the vol has
- 12:26gone up so significantly as I showed on
- 12:29the factor side. It just means the
- 12:31instability within side all parts of the
- 12:33market and most importantly,
- 12:35there are very limited hedges for the AI
- 12:38trade because it is a cross sectors.
- 12:40There is no S&P put, as I will show you.
- 12:43Here's the leverage growth as I'm
- 12:45showing, 15% in hedge funds and then the
- 12:48BDs, which again, the broker-dealers,
- 12:50heavily involved with
- 12:55the prime brokerage, massive growth.
- 12:58When you're looking for leverage, like I
- 12:59said, we're talking about 40 to 60
- 13:02billion in core wave debt over the
- 13:04course of 6 years.
- 13:06Hedge funds have money, as we learned
- 13:08with situational awareness, that can
- 13:10become an issue in a matter of weeks.
- 13:14On that point,
- 13:16we all forget and everyone started
- 13:18bringing out X jokes, like this was the
- 13:22issue.
- 13:23This was just one of the issues in July.
- 13:26So, yes.
- 13:28To get a number here, again, we're
- 13:30caring about CoreWeave whose debt is
- 13:32spread out over the next seven years,
- 13:35six years. And at the same time, the
- 13:38clients they have are the biggest
- 13:40clients in the world with some of the
- 13:42best balance sheets in the world.
- 13:44Companies like Microsoft and Meta
- 13:47dominating their stuff. Are they not
- 13:49going to get paid by them? Is that
- 13:51really going to be an issue? Are they
- 13:53stripper-related?
- 13:55Here is what happens.
- 13:57These are the numbers that were reported
- 13:59by the Wall Street Journal that everyone
- 14:00kind of backed into. I don't really care
- 14:02whether or not this is for illustrations
- 14:04purposes. I do know one thing. They're
- 14:06not far off.
- 14:07So, if there's $11 billion of equity
- 14:11and $45 billion of positions,
- 14:15the borrowed capital
- 14:17is 33 billion.
- 14:20And as long as you're making money,
- 14:22there is not an issue.
- 14:24So, hedge funds are the problem, guys.
- 14:27Mark my words. They are the problems. In
- 14:30my world of terminal value being
- 14:32eradicated in the bank apocalypse and
- 14:34the pushback that I get, the pushback I
- 14:36got with Micron last year, this is a
- 14:38scenario that hedge funds are not being
- 14:41honest with themselves about how much
- 14:43the market structure has changed. And
- 14:46it's not just hedge funds that are
- 14:47feeling the pain. Mutual funds are
- 14:48feeling it, too. That's why I did the
- 14:51demo that I did last week to show the
- 14:53types of
- 14:55market structure changes that I'm trying
- 14:57to help people with on how bad this is
- 14:59going to be. You don't need as much
- 15:01leverage to make the same amount of
- 15:02money as we're going to see. So, the
- 15:04leverage is going to come down. That
- 15:05doesn't mean the hedge fund industry
- 15:06won't be producing the same types of
- 15:08returns.
- 15:10I think it's possible they can generate
- 15:12similar returns. The money might
- 15:13aggregate even more into the the bigger
- 15:15places that have an advantage on the
- 15:17risk management side, but I definitely
- 15:19think the market structure has changed
- 15:20making it more challenging to have a
- 15:22good sharp ratio.
- 15:24So, Vara, another
- 15:26multi-billion dollar hedge fund,
- 15:28$20 billion dollar flagship AI fund, the
- 15:31losses paired the year-to-date returns
- 15:33from to 65% through July.
- 15:36So, again,
- 15:37they fell 44%
- 15:39in a month. This was in August. So, this
- 15:42is not now, but these types of drops, I
- 15:45don't think people It wasn't just
- 15:46situational awareness.
- 15:49This one happened and came out after the
- 15:51bell last Friday. So, I didn't include
- 15:54this in my video. So, if you asked me to
- 15:56name
- 15:58the 10 best non-multi-strat hedge funds
- 16:01of this century, Lone Pine would
- 16:03absolutely be in there based on my
- 16:04experience with them, based on the way
- 16:07people talk about Steve Mandel.
- 16:10Just
- 16:11an incredible hedge fund.
- 16:13So, this is not even saying anything
- 16:15negative about them. They were up 44%
- 16:17and it erased the gains.
- 16:19It is the staggering drawdown that
- 16:21happened
- 16:23in a quarter.
- 16:25So, to be down, to give up 44% gains,
- 16:28assuming they're charging 20% on their
- 16:31AUM,
- 16:32that means that they lost over 55%
- 16:37in gross returns.
- 16:39That's That's a drawdown that again, I
- 16:42showed you in the S&P 500,
- 16:45that's equivalent to the great financial
- 16:46crisis drawdown by a hedge fund.
- 16:49One of the greatest hedge funds of all
- 16:51time.
- 16:54Here is their returns that I have
- 16:57basically on public data through Q2
- 17:00relative to the S&P.
- 17:02So,
- 17:03basically, they move a lot with the S&P.
- 17:06Based on what you're seeing over the
- 17:07course of the last 3 years, there is a
- 17:09high correlation to the S&P returns.
- 17:12This is what happened during the quarter
- 17:14that they lost 55%.
- 17:17This kind of stuff has never happened
- 17:19before in my career. I've never seen
- 17:21anything like this. This is LTCM-ish.
- 17:25That's what it is. Now,
- 17:27uh again, that was through September.
- 17:31Yes, this month has been a disaster. The
- 17:33reason I'm bringing this up is not
- 17:35because Lone Pine is in any way, shape,
- 17:37or form in trouble. That has nothing to
- 17:39do with this.
- 17:41This has to do with when you're
- 17:42short-stacked and you have that kind of
- 17:44a drawdown, you're already figuring out
- 17:46what's going to happen, what your people
- 17:47are going through, what the investors
- 17:49are going to say. There's a lot of work
- 17:50that goes on. And so, to put on risk at
- 17:53that point,
- 17:54it is is just very unlikely. And more
- 17:57importantly, to deal with any more
- 17:59losses come up, and that's what I would
- 18:01say is going on right now with inside
- 18:02the marketplace. You're seeing things.
- 18:05Jared Kubin is is someone who's great to
- 18:07watch on the quant side and just to
- 18:09highlight. But,
- 18:11he bloody last 21 days, this is through
- 18:13the middle of last week, and it's just
- 18:15showing how many names are up violently
- 18:17in terms of sectors. Here it is here.
- 18:20Again, what's down?
- 18:22It's not just the semiconductors.
- 18:26It is fertilizer and crop inputs. How
- 18:29often did we hear how easy it would be
- 18:31that we'd have food shortages and that
- 18:33uh
- 18:34these are all hedge fund trades that
- 18:36people had gotten into. You obviously
- 18:38have short SAS up here. You have short
- 18:40software up here.
- 18:42You just have a lot of different
- 18:44components that are not just related to
- 18:46that one thing. And the reason I know
- 18:48that's the case is this kind of stuff
- 18:50also doesn't happen. This is the Mexican
- 18:52stock market.
- 18:55Trading at 52, well, close to 52-week
- 18:58lows at the end of the quarter. It has
- 19:00gone straight up. Here is the monthly or
- 19:03the weekly return of the Mex Bolsa
- 19:06relative to the Qs going back over the
- 19:08last 3 years.
- 19:11Here is the chart of the Goldman Sachs
- 19:13crowded hedge fund longs relative to the
- 19:16S&P.
- 19:17So, again, this month here
- 19:21Vara down 44%. Situational awareness
- 19:23down I don't remember how much they were
- 19:25down, 60, 70, whatever to get to the to
- 19:28get bailed out by Ken.
- 19:30We barely got a bounce here. And this is
- 19:32the most important thing is the hedge
- 19:34funds, these are crowded long, so this
- 19:36includes the fertilizers, includes
- 19:37everything.
- 19:38It just never got a movement on it, very
- 19:40similar to momentum, which I'm not going
- 19:42to bring up.
- 19:44Here's what's happened so far this
- 19:45month, and it's been a straight line
- 19:47down. So, again, these are the equity
- 19:49positions that hedge funds are holding
- 19:52that are dominated by the AI trade
- 19:55because that's the only thing that
- 19:56works.
- 19:57That is about 25% of the market, which
- 20:00I've talked about. Everyone's in the
- 20:02same names.
- 20:03So, it's still up big for the year, and
- 20:06as I'm going to show you, semis are
- 20:08still up about 50% year-to-date despite
- 20:12all of this going on.
- 20:14Nvidia's PE has collapsed.
- 20:17This is deleveraging, guys, and this
- 20:19started in here, and then as I show you
- 20:22all these hedge funds that had losses,
- 20:24and then you get these bounces as we
- 20:26head into hyperscaler earnings and the
- 20:29midterm elections. So, if you ask me
- 20:31what the pain trade is, the pain trade
- 20:33for this is to continue into the
- 20:35hyperscaler earnings and maybe all the
- 20:37way into the midterms.
- 20:39Take everyone out, they will not take
- 20:41risk on, and then in the end of the
- 20:42year,
- 20:43assuming I'm right and there's no AI
- 20:45bubble and this is just a positioning
- 20:47shakeout, you get a snapback. Here is
- 20:50the hedge fund
- 20:52that that chart now with monthly
- 20:54numbers.
- 20:55So, in July,
- 20:57it was down 10%. So, the crowded hedge
- 20:59fund names relative
- 21:03to the S&P.
- 21:05Hedge fund leverage was down already
- 21:07when this occurred in 2008. That's the
- 21:10thing I want to make sure you know. This
- 21:11does not include leverage. This is an
- 21:13unlevered number. This is just market
- 21:15neutral the stocks that are the most
- 21:18crowded according to Goldman Sachs
- 21:19relative to the S&P 500. So, these are
- 21:22market neutral, dollar neutral
- 21:24scenarios.
- 21:26There's beta in this to some degree, but
- 21:28as you can see like over time there's
- 21:31the movements this is an outsized move
- 21:33and again this is the Lehman post-Lehman
- 21:35Brothers move. So, hedge funds were
- 21:37already delevered at this scenario.
- 21:39Right here
- 21:41not delevered as much as they should
- 21:42have been based on all the metrics that
- 21:44I got. Deleveraging
- 21:45has come down. Here are
- 21:48the rolling four months.
- 21:51Again you're talking 15% over the last
- 21:54four months of that chart.
- 21:57Again, unlevered. So, if you add in the
- 22:00leverage that we've said, that would
- 22:01mean I mean a significant amount of
- 22:03losses.
- 22:05Here's here, but that really is all
- 22:07equities. So, I just want to make sure
- 22:09you know everything I'm showing you
- 22:10right now is equities. The real problem
- 22:12came in when it started to spread this
- 22:14month. That didn't happen in July. Here
- 22:17is the AI, the Goldman Sachs AI winners
- 22:19versus losers, which is the orange the
- 22:21white line and then the other line is
- 22:23that Goldman Sachs hedge fund. So, you
- 22:24can see this trade is basically at the
- 22:27end of the day it's the AI trade that
- 22:29every hedge fund has on.
- 22:31Everybody that it's it's the pair trade
- 22:33that everyone has on the winners versus
- 22:35losers and because they have a
- 22:37month-to-month bogey, because they have
- 22:39a drawdown level, because the majority
- 22:42of hedge funds don't have five-year
- 22:43locked up money, they've got short-term
- 22:45locked up money, they can't have
- 22:47drawdowns without their business
- 22:49becoming a risk. And I think this is the
- 22:51puking of a lot of businesses that had
- 22:54significant drawdowns that can't handle
- 22:56it anymore. Here is my thematic
- 22:58portfolio for the week.
- 23:00Last week was down 11%.
- 23:03This is worse than any week during July.
- 23:06The month isn't as bad as July, but the
- 23:08week is. That felt a lot like
- 23:11capitulation, but here's the place that
- 23:13it started to really become an issue.
- 23:16So, this is where you really start
- 23:17getting into the pods. The pods, the big
- 23:20multi-strats, they're going to be losing
- 23:22on the equity long short like everyone,
- 23:24but when credit starts to become an
- 23:27issue, that's when it really gets bad
- 23:28because credit starts to impact a lot of
- 23:31other strategies. I heard biotech was a
- 23:33major, major problem in September.
- 23:36Again, the weakening kind of spreading
- 23:38the contagion within side pods is always
- 23:41a big story, but when credit has this
- 23:43kind of week, this is HYG relative to
- 23:46IEF, which was sitting near all-time
- 23:49highs at the end of the quarter, which
- 23:51meant if you were running a credit
- 23:52strategy, everything was great. And this
- 23:54is a synthetic credit strategy. If
- 23:57you're just long HYG, and then you're
- 23:59short IEF, which is a treasury,
- 24:03that's theoretically taking out your
- 24:05rate exposure, and the only thing left
- 24:06is the credit credit side. And so, if
- 24:08spreads stay unchanged, you're just
- 24:10collecting the differential. So, it
- 24:12basically, since February, went up in
- 24:15kind of a straight line. Well, this gave
- 24:17back effectively all of the returns from
- 24:20the summer. So, in the same way that we
- 24:22had the July numbers, look what happened
- 24:24in July? Nothing.
- 24:26Nothing happened to credit.
- 24:28Here it is on a a weekly basis. Not
- 24:32anything like what happened with the
- 24:34tariff situation, but still, a big week.
- 24:38Here is the convert index. So, converts
- 24:42have joined the party. Why? Well,
- 24:44converts ex- extend from CoreWeave,
- 24:47uh MicroStrategy. It's a very
- 24:49concentrated world as well in in in
- 24:51in converts, but again, if the only
- 24:54place raising capital
- 24:56is AI, which is what's been happening.
- 24:58The size of the capital raises for AI,
- 25:01and not just SpaceX, not just Anthropic,
- 25:04not just OpenAI, but Broadcom coming to
- 25:07the market with over a hundred billion
- 25:08dollars this year. Google coming to the
- 25:10market between equities and bonds for
- 25:11over a hundred billion. We're talking
- 25:12about massive massive capital raises,
- 25:15which again the market has,
- 25:17but if you come to the market, the cash
- 25:20that people have might be from maturing
- 25:22bonds. They have to sell something to go
- 25:24buy things. People don't just have cash
- 25:27in most cases just sitting around
- 25:28endlessly. They got to sell something.
- 25:31Part of that was treasuries. Part of
- 25:32that ends up being some equities,
- 25:34whatever the case is, but converts have
- 25:36now started to get hit. And again, they
- 25:38were getting hit in July. They do have
- 25:40an equity one, but this is a very
- 25:41different fall. This is more of a
- 25:43waterfall. This was more of a reluctant
- 25:46fall that immediately bounced back and
- 25:48and made back most of the fall. Um the
- 25:51VIX did have a big move higher. Again,
- 25:53we're still at at at fairly reasonable
- 25:56levels, but the VIX was up 25 points in
- 25:59a week. VIX is the vol of the VIX. So
- 26:02people are buying call options. The VIX
- 26:04itself closed just below 20, which again
- 26:06is shocking that we could still be below
- 26:0820, but that's like I showed you, the
- 26:10S&P is not moving that much.
- 26:12Uh the Qs were down 5 and 1/2% for the
- 26:15week. The S&P, like I said, down 1.95,
- 26:19and over the last year that's one of
- 26:22one, two, three, four, five, six
- 26:25seven moves of a similar move. Um during
- 26:29the week, 350
- 26:32of the S&P 500 stocks were up on the
- 26:34week. So just like in the first chart,
- 26:37this was a unwind where we had been
- 26:40watching as equal weight and breadth had
- 26:42been getting hit
- 26:43while cap weight had been doing well.
- 26:46Well, that unwound in a vicious way so
- 26:48far last week. IWM M about 3%. Again, a
- 26:52big week but not uh one thing I will
- 26:54mention, it's been 6 weeks in a row for
- 26:57small cap and
- 26:58eight of the last nine with one little
- 27:01blurb, one little minor move higher.
- 27:04Uh Bitcoin for the crypto people
- 27:09didn't budge. Down 2.3%. So again,
- 27:13everyone who's continuing to say that
- 27:16or in the past has said Bitcoin's too
- 27:18volatile an asset to own. For everyone
- 27:21watching this that's deciding how much
- 27:22should be in their portfolio
- 27:24I'm going to say this over and over
- 27:25again. The majority of my portfolio
- 27:27moved into crypto. I'm very, very happy
- 27:30about that. I still have Marvell. I
- 27:31still have a little bit of Micron. I
- 27:33still have Nvidia. I still have Eli
- 27:35Lilly. I still have names like that, but
- 27:38the size of my AI portfolio is still
- 27:41significantly down and as I've said, it
- 27:42will never be as big as crypto again.
- 27:45Almost certainly
- 27:47based on my views and what's going to
- 27:49happen. There may be times where I add
- 27:51to AI for trading purposes.
- 27:53But the way Bitcoin is trading and
- 27:55hanging in there when everything else is
- 27:56blowing up this is a different kind of
- 27:59story as an asset class. The move index
- 28:02rates, you didn't get a big move in
- 28:04there. So this was really isolated to
- 28:06the equity market. So now let's go
- 28:08through
- 28:10the AI bear talk.
- 28:13So again, this is something that A16Z
- 28:17put out and I'm going to keep saying it.
- 28:19This index people have no idea how to
- 28:21read it. They just continue to say
- 28:23things about it. Then they mock out
- 28:25Jevons paradox. No matter who you talk
- 28:28to, no matter where it is, if you lis-
- 28:30listen to Jensen Huang
- 28:32and I guess people have this viewpoint
- 28:34that you can't listen to any of the
- 28:36people involved in it because they're
- 28:38going to lie to you. This is not 2007
- 28:41guys and this is not 2000. You actually
- 28:44need to listen to this cuz here's the
- 28:45one thing I will tell you with absolute
- 28:47certainty that occurred through the dot
- 28:49com bubble. The dot com bubble was built
- 28:52to have things like your smartphone, to
- 28:54have your app store, to have all of
- 28:56those things. That's what it was being
- 28:57built for. It ended up being right. The
- 28:59problem was we didn't have any money
- 29:01coming in to offset it. So, everyone's
- 29:04trying to find a way to create an image
- 29:06that the money's not coming in and yet
- 29:08GPU rental for the old ones, not the new
- 29:11ones, it just continues to sit there.
- 29:13And I'll as I'll show you
- 29:16This is This is a completely different
- 29:18world. So,
- 29:20Kuppy, who wrote a piece last year that
- 29:22I highlighted in terms of the ROIC risk,
- 29:25and I I bring this up I don't know the
- 29:28dude and I really don't care. This is
- 29:29not to pick on people. This is just
- 29:31basically to say
- 29:33people believe to compare this 100%
- 29:37to
- 29:39in this case
- 29:41the shell situation.
- 29:44Shell
- 29:45and
- 29:48open anything re- regarding
- 29:50intelligence.
- 29:51There is a similarity, which is the
- 29:54price goes down and the build out
- 29:56depends to some degree on the prices
- 29:58being up. The token prices are not the
- 30:01way to do this. The revenue is
- 30:04because in the case of oil, guess what?
- 30:06If oil goes down, well then revenues
- 30:07have to go down. In the case of AI, that
- 30:10is not the case. And so far, that has
- 30:12not been the case as this has gone down.
- 30:15The revenues can come, as I'll show you,
- 30:17from so many different places that this
- 30:19is not a one commodity thing. So, to
- 30:20compare it to oil
- 30:23is
- 30:24honestly, aside from the hey, this price
- 30:27is going down, I don't really use this
- 30:30thing that much and I'm not saying he
- 30:32doesn't. I'm just saying the majority of
- 30:33people, based on the data that I have,
- 30:35don't use it.
- 30:36They don't see any benefit for it. They
- 30:38don't think solving cancer matters.
- 30:39There's There's money with that. They
- 30:40don't think that solving math problems
- 30:42that go to physics that allow us to do
- 30:44things to make more efficient that no
- 30:45one would want to pay for that. They
- 30:47would like to pay for open source and
- 30:49cheaper models. It's just not true.
- 30:52I don't know what's happened to Carl
- 30:53Quintanilla, but it seems like he's just
- 30:55having a fun time putting out um
- 30:57bearish stuff. I mean, almost every It's
- 30:59almost like he's become a a
- 31:01bear. Must be some kind of way to get
- 31:03more people to pay attention. I have no
- 31:04idea, but
- 31:06I've been yet presented a credible
- 31:08framework as to where this money is
- 31:09going to come from. The reason I'm
- 31:10bringing this up, and this is not from
- 31:11Carl, this is from Barclays desk. The
- 31:13reason I'm bringing this up is
- 31:15nobody in 2009, so this is after the dot
- 31:18com bubble, nobody knew
- 31:21this was coming. Nobody did.
- 31:23When the iPhone came out, nobody knew
- 31:26where the revenues were coming from. And
- 31:28right now, the one thing I know with
- 31:30certainty is Barclays desk has no clue
- 31:34as to where the revenues are coming
- 31:36from.
- 31:37Where the revenues are coming from has a
- 31:40huge impact. Do they know where
- 31:41humanoids are going to be? Do they know
- 31:43how big consumer agents are going to be?
- 31:44I added everything here. We don't know.
- 31:47So, to say in 2030, which again is what
- 31:50we're getting to, that the revenues
- 31:51won't be here
- 31:53is just impossible for them to be right
- 31:56on or for the market to trade on. So,
- 31:58you follow the data and the
- 31:59extrapolation of the most recent
- 32:01numbers. Everyone else is jumping
- 32:02forward and saying, "I've been through
- 32:04this before. This is what it'll look
- 32:05like. This is too much being built."
- 32:07It's just not the case. So, here's
- 32:09Andrej Karpathy this week
- 32:12saying what I completely know, and the
- 32:14reason why I don't listen to macro
- 32:16podcasts anymore because I'm listening
- 32:18to people speak about something they
- 32:20know nothing about because they don't
- 32:22use it.
- 32:23So, he's talking about the fact that
- 32:26there's two groups of people.
- 32:28Most people on the planet have little or
- 32:30no exposure.
- 32:31The
- 32:32remaining of them, and not a high
- 32:34percent, the remaining people are casual
- 32:36users using it for chatbots.
- 32:38There are very few frontier professional
- 32:41users. So, how could anyone
- 32:44be able to say with certainty
- 32:47what's going to go on? This is far more
- 32:48complex than oil.
- 32:50This is more demand right now than the
- 32:53dot-com bubble ever saw on the
- 32:55build-out. So, again, I can keep showing
- 32:58you guys this, but this is coming from
- 33:00Andrej Karpathy.
- 33:02He's been honest throughout the process.
- 33:04He's the one who got it wrong. Agents
- 33:06weren't going to be here a year ago.
- 33:07They They're not only here, it's gone
- 33:09through. So, the AI debate
- 33:12the people on X that are bearish is
- 33:13being conducted by billions of people
- 33:15who have barely experienced the
- 33:16technology, millions who are beginning
- 33:18to understand its economic power, and a
- 33:21few thousand who are already living in a
- 33:23future the rest of the world cannot yet
- 33:25see. That is what exponential innovation
- 33:27is. Aaron Levie, if you want to know
- 33:29where all the tokens will get consumed
- 33:31in the future, it's agent swarms. We
- 33:33only started having agent swarms in the
- 33:36last 2 months. That's why we've had
- 33:38consumer agents, and that's why I keep
- 33:39highlighting. We are at a step-up
- 33:41function in demand right now, which is
- 33:44why you're seeing more and more interest
- 33:46in GPUs at this current time. DRAM
- 33:50prices made new highs after
- 33:51consolidating for weeks.
- 33:55All we're seeing with prices on demand
- 33:57is going higher. And that's coming
- 33:59because there's more money showing up in
- 34:02terms of demand. They're booked out as
- 34:04I'm going to show.
- 34:05Uh Patrick Collison talked about agents.
- 34:08I'm not going to spend all this time on
- 34:09it, but thanks to personal agents, we
- 34:12will probably get somewhat more rational
- 34:13in how we engage with companies.
- 34:15Basically, you're getting to the point
- 34:17where companies are starting to see the
- 34:21ability to use AI agents, and that's
- 34:23coming across. I just listened to a pod
- 34:26uh
- 34:26an interview with AI engineers this
- 34:28week, where they estimate at this point
- 34:30that agent workflows at companies, agent
- 34:33workflows, are only being used by about
- 34:352.2 or 2% of the companies.
- 34:382% of the companies. Now, over 50% are
- 34:41using
- 34:43coding agents. But, using agents for
- 34:45your workflows, which is when the job
- 34:47situation starts to deteriorate, which
- 34:49I'll talk about later,
- 34:51that is a different story. So, when
- 34:54you're thinking in bets again, and you
- 34:55listen to people,
- 34:57the prospect of a bet makes us examine
- 34:59our beliefs. The the whole point of this
- 35:01is
- 35:02in almost every case with people saying
- 35:04they're bearish, and especially people
- 35:06that have been bearish for over a year,
- 35:08which is almost everyone. I challenge
- 35:10you to go into X, find someone who's
- 35:12bearish right now, who wasn't bearish a
- 35:14year ago, 2 years ago, 3 years ago on
- 35:16the bubble trade. And not people that
- 35:18aren't taking a short-term, I think the
- 35:20market is overdone here and going down.
- 35:22That is the reason why I wrote the
- 35:23mid-cycle slowdown in May. That is the
- 35:25reason why I sold that of my the
- 35:27majority of my positions. That is the
- 35:28reason why I wrote the fireworks show
- 35:30was over, and we will never see that
- 35:31again. We will never see what we saw in
- 35:33the first quarter again. So, I'm being
- 35:34rational with the fact that to make
- 35:36alpha, you need a gen to compute.
- 35:38Everything else to me is up for risk.
- 35:41So, unfortunately, when you're listening
- 35:43to people say there's a bubble, by
- 35:44definition, they can't be Alexander
- 35:46Wang. He hasn't been through one.
- 35:48You can't listen to him talk about it.
- 35:50You can't listen to most people in AI
- 35:52talk about it
- 35:53because they haven't been through it.
- 35:54Now, Gavin Baker has, and Brad Gerstner
- 35:57has, but people choose to ignore them.
- 36:00The reason I bring this up with what's
- 36:02going on is this people should listen to
- 36:06this week.
- 36:07This people should listen to this week.
- 36:09This is Tibo
- 36:11from OpenAI. These are all ones I
- 36:13listened to this week. This one
- 36:15absolutely you should listen to. Dylan
- 36:17Patel
- 36:18absolutely has the most and best
- 36:21information of any research place on the
- 36:23street, because he has set up his
- 36:24business to be vertically integrated,
- 36:26meaning he covers only the AI situation.
- 36:30He covers the data centers. He covers
- 36:32the semiconductors. He covers Anthropic
- 36:34and OpenAI and models all this stuff
- 36:36out.
- 36:37They spoke this week. Go listen to them.
- 36:39Go hear how things are. This was on Alex
- 36:42Kantrowitz, who's great.
- 36:44The problem is for people, Alexander is
- 36:4729 years old. Tibo is in the early 30s.
- 36:50It's always good when you can find
- 36:51someone who's so mysterious that you
- 36:53can't even find his proper age. Dylan
- 36:55Patel is 30.
- 36:56When you're listening to people say the
- 36:58AI bubble has broken, they're not
- 36:59wearing a hoodie like me. They're
- 37:01telling you I've been through this. You
- 37:02don't know what you're missing.
- 37:04These kids don't matter. They've never
- 37:05seen this. The reality is
- 37:08these guys have built good businesses
- 37:10and their research has been dead on.
- 37:13Dylan Patel founded the company,
- 37:14SemiAnalysis, if you don't know this
- 37:16about it.
- 37:17Has 90 employees. It's in 11 different
- 37:19countries. In 2025, they had $20 million
- 37:21of revenue. Now they have $100 million
- 37:23in revenue. 90 employees, guys.
- 37:26This is the way AI is changing the world
- 37:29for real. So he not only knows this from
- 37:32his business being uncovering it, unlike
- 37:35the public banks,
- 37:37he's spending millions of dollars on AI
- 37:40and he's openly talking about it. So
- 37:42it's vertically integrated versus Wall
- 37:44Street.
- 37:48Exponential AI needs a new system. Why
- 37:50this wins. This is what my belief is is
- 37:54that all public companies are at risk.
- 37:56That's why I did the Stripe versus
- 37:57Citibank thing during
- 37:59the video last week.
- 38:01You're going to see this over and over
- 38:03again for me because we went from the
- 38:05industrial economy to the digital
- 38:07economy.
- 38:08From an investment standpoint, you only
- 38:10wanted to invest in the digital economy
- 38:11equity. Well, now no more private
- 38:14equity, no more private credit, no more
- 38:15VC, no more bonds, and no more public
- 38:17stocks.
- 38:19No more.
- 38:20You'll get some returns in equities for
- 38:22the next whatever 3 years, but the
- 38:24returns will be dwarfed in terms of the
- 38:26tokenized digital economy. That's what
- 38:29we're going through. The tokenized
- 38:30digital economy, places like this
- 38:32business.
- 38:33He has a hundred million in revenue.
- 38:37It's a big business, guys. That means
- 38:39his business I I I don't know where they
- 38:41would put it right now, but I do know
- 38:43this. You're probably talking about a
- 38:44market cap, I don't know if he went to
- 38:46market, billions of dollars.
- 38:48That's how fast these businesses are
- 38:50growing. And what he talked about was a
- 38:52year ago he was spending a hundred
- 38:54thousand dollars on AI. As of August it
- 38:57was up to 10 to 11 million.
- 39:00So, again, you're really talking about
- 39:03someone who's doing the work on it, but
- 39:05is also using it against his revenue
- 39:08that's come in. So, the question is
- 39:10how should you think about it? So, I
- 39:12wrote this. I went through it. People
- 39:15are not looking to make money right now.
- 39:16I'm just telling you the thing that I
- 39:18put out last week or earlier this week
- 39:20when the cost of intelligence collides
- 39:21with the demand for intelligence.
- 39:24AI agents and Vera Rubin are the place
- 39:26you want to be investing in for the next
- 39:2812 months within side the agentic
- 39:29compute. And I put together those 15
- 39:31names. Most of them are in the optical
- 39:33side as to who benefits.
- 39:35This week has been a blood fest, so you
- 39:38can go in and you're getting things at
- 39:39much lower levels. If you want to wait
- 39:41and wait for stability and wait for the
- 39:43hedge funds to be done liquidating, that
- 39:45might take another month. Um I don't
- 39:49know. It could end quicker than that,
- 39:50but based on how bad the numbers have
- 39:53been, would not surprise me to see more
- 39:55of this until we get into the hyper
- 39:57scalar numbers. Uh I did want to make
- 39:59sure that if you guys are interested in
- 40:00Jev, I had a lot of people that reached
- 40:02out. What is Jev? This video was
- 40:03fantastic, had over a million views uh
- 40:06as of last week. Very simple. It'll be
- 40:08in the uh
- 40:10all of these podcasts because there's so
- 40:12many of them. I still have I think two
- 40:13more to show you guys. I listened to at
- 40:15least seven or eight this week.
- 40:17All on the AI chip trade.
- 40:21Again,
- 40:22there's no way to forecast the
- 40:24exponential. So, you have to deal with
- 40:25the fact that you're going to have these
- 40:27ups and downs within side something
- 40:28that's going to go on. That's why in
- 40:31this week's AI video of what I did, I
- 40:33went through this to kind of give people
- 40:35the ability to dip jab. I know I did a
- 40:36lot of over the last 2 weeks, a lot of
- 40:39videos, a lot of stuff came out. The
- 40:41Vera Rubin report, remember you can go
- 40:43get this off the website. You can do
- 40:45this yourself. I did the Agentech
- 40:46consumer inflection. You guys can go do
- 40:48this on your own. This is the time to be
- 40:50doing your homework on these names if
- 40:52you're not in the position the hedge
- 40:54funds are. So, if you're sitting at
- 40:55home, even if you've had a drawdown in
- 40:57terms of things going, your entry point
- 40:59is getting better
- 41:01assuming there's not a bubble. And
- 41:03that's my job here is to basically go
- 41:04through and say we're not in a bubble
- 41:06phase, but we are in a deleveraging
- 41:07phase. It is a very, very difficult game
- 41:10to know when the hedge fund pain is gone
- 41:12because when you're dealing with $14
- 41:13trillion of
- 41:15of
- 41:17positioning there and the growth has
- 41:20been enormous, it could take a while
- 41:23even if the the fundamentals are still
- 41:25strong and that's part of the leverage
- 41:26thing.
- 41:27I also included the technical side.
- 41:29Again, you guys that are new to it, I'm
- 41:31showing you this if you didn't go
- 41:32through it because there's a lot to use
- 41:35each week on this stuff. All of the
- 41:37technical sheets, all of fundamental
- 41:38sheets, all of the stuff in AI you want
- 41:41to be on top of. And again, I go through
- 41:43the different ways the resources and the
- 41:46stuff that are there. I give you the
- 41:48prompt on it so you can go through it.
- 41:50And that's basically what it does. It's
- 41:51taking 100 names, it's going through,
- 41:53you're going through the Jeff process
- 41:55which again, go look at the video I put
- 41:57on the subscriber site. It will show you
- 41:59how you can do this. And effectively,
- 42:01you are doing what hedge funds are doing
- 42:03and that's the other reason why the
- 42:04market structure is changing. The
- 42:05competition for hedge funds in terms of
- 42:07the speed to ideas is gone.
- 42:10I am about to list something and put
- 42:12money into something with my crypto. So,
- 42:15the tokenized world is beginning, guys.
- 42:17The market structure has forever
- 42:19changed. It is a deleveraging event.
- 42:21You're going to hear me talk about this
- 42:23more and more. Tokenization is the final
- 42:25part of the deleveraging stage for hedge
- 42:27funds. So, hedge fund risk managers
- 42:30I actually don't want to talk to the
- 42:31risk managers. Hedge fund senior people
- 42:33that want to reach out and talk, I'm
- 42:34happy to go through at least my thoughts
- 42:36on it so you guys can go through it.
- 42:37But, tokenization is going to change the
- 42:39way covariance matrices work and the way
- 42:42that margin is going to be provided. So,
- 42:44again, I go from 100 names down to 15
- 42:47using this process. You guys can set it
- 42:49up yourself.
- 42:50And that way you are effectively doing
- 42:52what hedge funds do, taking thematic
- 42:54research, whittling it down, combining
- 42:56it with fundamentals and technicals and
- 42:58earnings progression, getting an answer
- 43:00within seconds.
- 43:03Watch that video. This is the one that
- 43:05you need to watch this week aside from
- 43:07the other two that I'm going to go
- 43:08through. But, to get back to it of his
- 43:10side in there, AI capex is already
- 43:12bigger than most people think. He says
- 43:14this could be close to $2 trillion or 5
- 43:16to 6% of GDP next year.
- 43:19The big debate in whether revenue can
- 43:21catch up the infrastructure. He says
- 43:23OpenAI and Anthropic alone could
- 43:25potentially reach 600 to 700 billion.
- 43:27The reason I wanted to show this,
- 43:28they're going to finish combined this
- 43:29year somewhere around 170 billion.
- 43:32All he's saying
- 43:34and again, this is the the thing to me
- 43:36that I just don't think people
- 43:37understand.
- 43:39So, everyone was going through the
- 43:40Anthropic thing this week. So, Anthropic
- 43:42is on pace for 90 to 100 billion for
- 43:44this year. Last year they finished the
- 43:45year at nine.
- 43:47At nine.
- 43:49So, they're 10 times again and 10 times
- 43:52the year before that and 10 times the
- 43:53year before that. And right now he's
- 43:55saying combined for OpenAI and Anthropic
- 43:58maybe 600 700. So, let's take the bottom
- 44:00end, 600.
- 44:02Well, that would mean between the two of
- 44:04them they're doing about three times.
- 44:06So, he's talking about a rapid
- 44:07deceleration.
- 44:09This is already built in
- 44:11he's saying 600, 700, and that's
- 44:12basically what David Sacks and Gavin
- 44:15Baker and Chamath gave as their answers
- 44:18about
- 44:19a month and a half ago. Sorry to the
- 44:21guys who are focused on the way oil
- 44:24trades in the dot-com bubble they went
- 44:26through. If you're not in Silicon Valley
- 44:28and you're not actually talking to the
- 44:29people heavily involved. Brad Gerstner's
- 44:31an investor. He was at an investment
- 44:34at the investment day with Anthropic
- 44:36this week. He saw everything. He spoke
- 44:37on TV.
- 44:39I
- 44:40I I just don't even know. Um the biggest
- 44:42revenue opportunity may not be today's
- 44:44token pricing. Jordan says people are
- 44:45too narrowly focused on cloud cloud
- 44:47subscriptions. This is a critical thing.
- 44:50And per token API revenue. If frontier
- 44:52AI systems can perform knowledge work
- 44:54across coding, robotics, self-driving,
- 44:56and drug discovery, health care, chip
- 44:58design, and other industries,
- 45:00the revenue pool could be much larger
- 45:01than today's software-like products.
- 45:04Again, this is the part of what I said
- 45:06at the beginning. When you have
- 45:07exponential growth, nobody has any idea.
- 45:09The Barclays desk is not including any
- 45:12of this in where the revenue's coming
- 45:14from.
- 45:15They are doing basic human linear
- 45:17garbage work. End of story.
- 45:20You didn't predict
- 45:22the dot-com the the post-iPhone era. And
- 45:25trust me, if you did, you would have
- 45:26made a fortune and not be working
- 45:27anymore cuz you just would have gone out
- 45:29and bought the Mag 7. The Mag 7
- 45:31dominated the world. We are going to see
- 45:33a similar thing in AI
- 45:35companies. I don't think it'll be OpenAI
- 45:38and Anthropic. I have no problem if
- 45:39people say to me that I don't think
- 45:41they'll ever be worth 10 trillion.
- 45:42Great. So, if they're worth one and a
- 45:44half right now to two, and next year
- 45:47they're still worth one and a half to
- 45:48two,
- 45:50they've won.
- 45:51That's the part I don't understand that
- 45:52people don't get. If they just stay at
- 45:54the same level,
- 45:55they've won.
- 45:57These companies are up so much from
- 45:58where they where they were before. AI
- 46:00could supercharge productivity in
- 46:02industries and flat head count and
- 46:05with flat head count and I think that's
- 46:06what we're going to see. So again, I
- 46:08bring this Barclays desk up cuz I just I
- 46:10think it's so stupid for people not only
- 46:12to write it, but then for a reporter to
- 46:15put it out there. It's only one reason
- 46:16to put it out there.
- 46:18To be bearish. That's it. Like what's
- 46:20the purpose for you guys reading that?
- 46:22It means nothing. They can't predict
- 46:25what this is going to be. Go look at
- 46:26their trading desk and see if they got
- 46:28Micron going from $10 a share to $80 a
- 46:31share. The answer is no. I guarantee you
- 46:33they were off by a factor of five at
- 46:35least. So
- 46:37you can't predict this stuff. No one
- 46:39can. And I'm not saying I can. I'm just
- 46:41saying that the path continues to move
- 46:43at this pace and unless we see a change
- 46:45in the revenue growth, unless we see a
- 46:47change in and I don't mean the revenue
- 46:49growth of a oh my gosh, in August it was
- 46:52slightly lower than July. That means
- 46:54they've lost it. That is complete
- 46:55garbage in terms of the Anthropic and
- 46:57Open AI stuff. Looking at a quarter
- 46:59return for a company and saying that
- 47:01that's the end of it is just ridiculous.
- 47:03Especially when we just launched
- 47:04Grokbot, we just launched Muse, Meta.
- 47:07You're going to have more and more
- 47:08people using other parts of AI where
- 47:11revenues are going to be coming through.
- 47:12Here's the other problem I have and
- 47:14again, we look at this buildout. Canals.
- 47:17We're comparing this stuff 5 years, 20
- 47:20years.
- 47:2220 years.
- 47:2317 years.
- 47:257 years.
- 47:27We're near two of this and yet we're
- 47:29saying the bubble is here. We're saying
- 47:31there's been 10 trillion, this is a
- 47:33bubble. We haven't even started the bulk
- 47:36of the CapEx. It's just starting.
- 47:41If there's a bubble,
- 47:43I'm guessing.
- 47:45In fiber it took 7 years of buildout. In
- 47:47this case we're saying in year two while
- 47:49everything still looks positive.
- 47:52It's just insane.
- 47:54And again, we're doing everything out to
- 47:552030. I've never seen forecast in my
- 47:57career to reiterate out to 2030. We
- 48:00we've been dealing with what's the
- 48:01economy going to be in a quarter? Is
- 48:03there going to be a recession next year?
- 48:04Now we're talking about 2030? How many
- 48:07things can be different than what's
- 48:08expected in 5 years with exponential
- 48:10innovation? That's why I'm bringing this
- 48:12up all this 2030 stuff. This got brought
- 48:14out again. Bains has AI needs 6
- 48:16trillion. They're going to be short by
- 48:18800 billion. I mean, this is insanity.
- 48:22Out to 2031 you're giving me a forecast
- 48:24on how short you're going to be?
- 48:26So again, here's here's CoreWeave.
- 48:29Uh trading this is before Friday. This
- 48:31is after Thursday.
- 48:32Um
- 48:33again, trading in this range they've
- 48:35been in. Here are their clients
- 48:37Microsoft, OpenAI, Meta, Anthropic,
- 48:39Mistral
- 48:40Jane Street. Like
- 48:42are they going to default? I I mean,
- 48:44maybe down the road, not in the next
- 48:46couple years.
- 48:48Uh we cared about this last week. We got
- 48:52this. It's only two trill the two
- 48:54trillion could be 1.9 uh blah blah blah.
- 48:57Again, Jared Cuban came out and
- 48:59basically did the math after everyone
- 49:00was going through it saying, "Oh,
- 49:02they're coming in light." And he just
- 49:03went through it and I love what he said,
- 49:05"You have to do the work and run the
- 49:06math."
- 49:08Let me clear some things up.
- 49:10100 billion end of year seems pretty
- 49:11straightforward. I I there's no way to
- 49:14look at it and not be able to come up
- 49:15with at least 90.
- 49:18More importantly, we're talking about
- 49:20whether they come in at 90 or 100 when
- 49:23as open as a 16Z put out
- 49:26the labs have added more revenue in 2026
- 49:28than all of public software combined and
- 49:30we're calling them a failure or slowing
- 49:32down.
- 49:34Um Broadcom, this was a headline by the
- 49:36media likens many AI investors to casino
- 49:39gamblers.
- 49:40It's not what he said.
- 49:42Gavin Baker volatility on misunderstood
- 49:45news flow. Everything I've shown you
- 49:47today is misunderstood news flow plus
- 49:50the the the chest beating of the bears
- 49:53coming out seeing the bubbles pop then
- 49:54weak at the S&P is two two and a half
- 49:56percent off the all-time highs. We had
- 49:59deep seek day. We had liberation day. We
- 50:00had Kimmy. We had blah blah blah
- 50:02everything out and then a mistranslation
- 50:04of Hak Tan's comments yesterday because
- 50:07he basically did not say what
- 50:09they said he did. He did not say people
- 50:11were gambling on AI. He actually said
- 50:14that OpenAI and guessing whether they
- 50:17had a it was 70 billion or 50 billion
- 50:20and jumping to the gun and making
- 50:22decisions off that. That's gambling.
- 50:24That is hedge funds.
- 50:26That is AI agents trading. Make sense to
- 50:28me.
- 50:29Um you get all these jumps and all these
- 50:31moves. You also had CXMT this week and
- 50:34the fact that they were coming out with
- 50:35stuff. So all memory names were going to
- 50:37get hit. So you had all of this stuff
- 50:39happening and again I I feel bad for the
- 50:41people who do all this research and then
- 50:43something comes out and everyone
- 50:45immediately sells the stocks and then
- 50:47they get called up. I go through this as
- 50:49well.
- 50:50And Elon Musk basically came in. He got
- 50:52involved and he said, "Yeah, problem is
- 50:54RAM supply." So
- 50:56you know, whatever. And remember, here
- 50:58are the facts.
- 51:00Four weeks ago, Micron estimates signed
- 51:02agreements represent more than 35% of
- 51:04its revenue through 2030. So remember
- 51:05the 2030 forecast for what CapEx will be
- 51:08and how this will be the biggest bubble
- 51:10in history
- 51:11in five years. How we have a situation
- 51:15where Bain says we're not going to get
- 51:16the revenues in five years. How Gartner
- 51:19says the neoclass could blow up in five
- 51:22years.
- 51:24Here are the
- 51:25contracts. So the these are not forecast
- 51:28by those guys that have no no facts to
- 51:30them. That's just their guess, okay? And
- 51:33that's a fact. That is just their guess.
- 51:35Micron has signed agreements of its
- 51:37revenue through 2030.
- 51:40ASML
- 51:41AI chip demand is stretching into 2030.
- 51:43It already expects supply shortages
- 51:44through 2028. Nvidia-backed Lumentum
- 51:47sold out of AI parts till 2029.
- 51:50You have to literally go through and
- 51:54just realize what I'm showing you.
- 51:57Pe- papers writing how in 5 years there
- 52:00could be problems at the same time that
- 52:03real business is being constructed that
- 52:05is sold out until then.
- 52:08Amazon CEO Andy Jassy told him AI
- 52:10computer sold out beyond 2028.
- 52:16Nvidia just guided for 70%
- 52:19revenue growth. This is from a month ago
- 52:22or a month and a half ago.
- 52:2570% revenue growth.
- 52:27It was expected to be I think 40.
- 52:30It It came in at 70 for next year.
- 52:34Jensen Huang guided to 70%, which is
- 52:37going to be higher than that just based
- 52:39on his track record.
- 52:42Uh
- 52:43>> [sighs]
- 52:43>> Meta Muse just came out.
- 52:45So again, as people are saying there's
- 52:47not They're forecasting where revenues
- 52:48are going to be
- 52:50and we're getting new progress. As
- 52:52progress comes out, as we break cancer
- 52:54research, as we do robotics, and as I'm
- 52:57going to show you everything is
- 52:58accelerating, revenues will accelerate,
- 53:00too. As the progress gets better, it
- 53:02gets easier for people to pay them to
- 53:04use it. Plain and simple.
- 53:06I don't know why this is hard to
- 53:07understand.
- 53:11This is the video I did uh on Thursday
- 53:13putting the If you haven't seen it, go
- 53:15watch it. Um again, it's a lot of it is
- 53:17is in this or some of it is. This is
- 53:19where we closed on Friday. This is the
- 53:21most bizarre thing to me. I'm listening
- 53:23to bubble talk and how this is ending
- 53:25and this is like I said,
- 53:27do you know how many AI bubble
- 53:28prickings we've had in this period? Like
- 53:31it's non-stop. Here's where semis are
- 53:33after all of the panic of July and all
- 53:35of the panic of this month.
- 53:38The SMH is up 50% year-to-date, slightly
- 53:41more than last year. I think the most
- 53:43important thing is the we've
- 53:46If you've ignored semis, you're ignoring
- 53:48basically the mag seven now. Let's
- 53:50assume that it started in 2019 when
- 53:52machine learning and the cloud and
- 53:54everything really started to to to
- 53:56become more of a a thing. The
- 53:58transformer papers, everything.
- 54:01All you had to do is invest in
- 54:02semiconductors. You've had seven of the
- 54:04last eight years effectively be 40% or
- 54:06greater.
- 54:08And yet people are saying the bubble has
- 54:09popped. You're just missing the
- 54:10opportunity. Regardless of what the
- 54:12charts look like of how fast things went
- 54:14up this year,
- 54:15Oh God. And here's the same thing in the
- 54:18S&P. And I just wanted to show this for
- 54:20people who have joined here to
- 54:23avoid the news, send this to your family
- 54:25members, send it to everyone.
- 54:26Compounding is why I got involved in the
- 54:28markets. My father was a construction
- 54:31worker, didn't get didn't finish high
- 54:32school, left school in the ninth grade,
- 54:35taught me handicapping, taught me math,
- 54:37taught me everything to go through. But
- 54:38what he really taught me was, I don't
- 54:40want to be a construction worker based
- 54:42on your hearing, based on your back,
- 54:44based on the electrocution times, based
- 54:47on me needing to siphon gas. I didn't
- 54:48want to do that. My mother handed me a
- 54:50book and it was on compounding. This is
- 54:53what the S&P 500 has done. If you were
- 54:55in the last 10 years, you got 17%
- 54:57annualized. If you were in the last 20,
- 54:59you got 13. The last 30, 12. The last
- 55:0140, 13. This is not cherry-picking
- 55:03numbers. This is just using the last
- 55:05decade, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50
- 55:08double digits in every case. Back to 90
- 55:11years. This is what's happened, guys.
- 55:14It's been getting better recently. But
- 55:16this is what happened. Let's just take
- 55:19the last 50.
- 55:20So if you put $6,000 in 50 years ago,
- 55:23I'm sorry, if you put $10 in
- 55:26every month, just $10 for 50 years and
- 55:30ignored everything in the papers, the
- 55:33value of that $10 each month for 50
- 55:35years, $10 is now $478,000.
- 55:39And this has got in a 2 and 1/2%
- 55:41dividend to just use it in there.
- 55:44Guys, compounding is your friend. And
- 55:46the S&P 500 and all investments,
- 55:49effectively equities represent
- 55:52innovation. So, if you believe AI is
- 55:54going to continue to have an impact on
- 55:55the world for now, you want public
- 55:57stocks, but you also want to involve in
- 55:59tokenized things as soon as you can. I
- 56:01don't think VC and any of that stuff is
- 56:03going to be able to monetize because
- 56:05they're cherry-picking out of the
- 56:06billion of winners, and I don't think
- 56:08you can do that anymore. Here's the log
- 56:10chart of the S&P 500. Are there periods
- 56:12of time where it goes sideways? That's
- 56:14why I just showed you what the returns
- 56:16are. But the reality is when you're at
- 56:17all-time highs, you're at all-time highs
- 56:19for the last 90 years. Could there be a
- 56:22correction that takes us back 20%? Yes,
- 56:25we've seen a bunch of those since 2019.
- 56:28It shouldn't be part of it. This is the
- 56:29thing that got me going. When I read
- 56:31this in a book my mother gave me, a
- 56:33penny doubled every day from day one to
- 56:36the end of the month, by the time you
- 56:38get to day 31, there's $10.7 million.
- 56:41That's why I got interested in not being
- 56:43electrocuted.
- 56:46This is the chart of where we are. I
- 56:48show this time and time again. And the
- 56:50one thing I know is that this is
- 56:52incredibly disruptive to hedge funds and
- 56:54leverage
- 56:55because it makes certainty gone.
- 56:58Hedge funds invest in certainty, end of
- 57:01story. They
- 57:03trade their book. They get out of it. I
- 57:05was in one, had my own
- 57:07for 20 years.
- 57:10It's about short-term arbitrage. It's
- 57:13about arbitraging something in the
- 57:15future, but not carrying
- 57:17long positions for long periods of time.
- 57:19We are entering a period right now of
- 57:21complete uncertainty, so leverage has to
- 57:23come down.
- 57:25For all the negative things you've heard
- 57:26on OpenAI and Anthropic, here's where
- 57:28they were 2 years ago
- 57:30valuation-wise versus today. And I'm
- 57:33this easy. Anthropic is more like a bit
- 57:35a peer. We're talking about companies
- 57:37that have gone from less than a hundred
- 57:39billion dollars in Anthropic's case,
- 57:41less than
- 57:42five billion dollars
- 57:44to two trillion, and we're saying
- 57:45they're not successful, and you're
- 57:46trying to pick the top of this. It's
- 57:48just moronic.
- 57:50It really is. SpaceX, how many people
- 57:53continue to say that SpaceX blah blah
- 57:55blah blah blah.
- 57:56Here's the valuation. These are just the
- 57:58facts. If you invested in them, you're
- 58:00doing great. Here's what the S&P did
- 58:02over the last year, 16%.
- 58:05Boring. Public equities are in trouble
- 58:08on a comparable basis to things that are
- 58:10moving on the hyper the the exponential.
- 58:13The exponential are AI trades. I gave
- 58:15you Anthropic and OpenAI, but this could
- 58:16have been Cursor. This could have been
- 58:18so many different companies, OpenRouter,
- 58:20that have been purchased. SemiAnalysis
- 58:23goes from a zero-based company or 200
- 58:25million to 2 billion, whatever you want
- 58:27to say. If you do 20 times their
- 58:28revenue.
- 58:30Somewhere within here at this point
- 58:31because of the growth, you have to
- 58:32understand that public companies just
- 58:34can't grow this fast with AI. And you
- 58:37don't know where the revenues are going
- 58:38to be coming from because you're only
- 58:39focused on a few companies. That's not
- 58:41the case.
- 58:42Very important interview, listen to
- 58:43Zuckerberg and Alexander Wang. First of
- 58:46all, we had heard a lot about the
- 58:47relationship. Um this was a great
- 58:49interview on on Cheeky Pawn.
- 58:52I highly recommend um listening to the
- 58:54entire thing. It's about
- 58:56two hours. Um
- 58:58he talks about the compute and the spin
- 59:01not working out. He talks about the neo
- 59:04clouds and why they don't have as it is
- 59:06easy as they do. He talks about the fact
- 59:09that GPUs are basically higher than they
- 59:12were a year ago. The value of even an
- 59:14H100, the old ones, at this point is
- 59:17higher than it was last year. This is
- 59:18him saying this when talking about
- 59:21all of this. So, again,
- 59:24if GPUs remain productive longer than
- 59:26expected, then they can generate more
- 59:27revenue from the same hardware with an
- 59:29AI. This is just someone who's giving
- 59:31you the positive readout. If GPU prices
- 59:33are going higher, it's very hard to be
- 59:35bearish on CoreWeave and not bearish.
- 59:37You can be bearish on the equity. You
- 59:39can be bearish on the bonds.
- 59:41To say it's an AI bubble bursting is
- 59:43just very hard when the GPU prices are
- 59:45going up. OpenAI's GPT-6 may lead to
- 59:49robotics breakthrough as soon as next
- 59:50year. So, Unitree uh
- 59:53which as I was told by Emad Mostaque,
- 59:56who I I was at dinner at this week and
- 59:59shocked me. I didn't realize Unitree had
- 1:00:01only sold uh
- 1:00:03about 11,000
- 1:00:05robots this year.
- 1:00:08Humanoids, robots. Um
- 1:00:10So, when the
- 1:00:13I This is really a big deal because it's
- 1:00:15a Chinese company, very important to the
- 1:00:16government,
- 1:00:18saying OpenAI's latest advances have
- 1:00:21accelerated prospects for a GPT moment
- 1:00:23in embodied intelligence. Think about
- 1:00:26what that means. It's two things. For
- 1:00:27all of you who say the Chinese are at
- 1:00:29the same level, which they're not, this
- 1:00:32is about Astra.
- 1:00:34Okay?
- 1:00:35We are two models ahead of Astra right
- 1:00:37now, which they haven't released, and my
- 1:00:39guess is, especially since we're not
- 1:00:41seeing as many Chinese
- 1:00:43new models come out,
- 1:00:45distillation may be over and the
- 1:00:47benefits of OpenAI and Anthropic, which
- 1:00:50was talked about by Dylan Patel, if you
- 1:00:51listen to the podcast,
- 1:00:54may not be released. This was also
- 1:00:56talked about on the Zuckerberg one. We
- 1:00:58might be reaching a point where we never
- 1:01:00see, or at least for a long time,
- 1:01:02the models better than Astra and Opus
- 1:01:045.5. That may be it for us. Because
- 1:01:07there may be a reason now to not have
- 1:01:10them come out to avoid distillation, and
- 1:01:12that would create a really big gap
- 1:01:14between the Chinese and the US, and this
- 1:01:17whole open-source thing would be in
- 1:01:18trouble because one of the major reasons
- 1:01:20for open-source is catch staying close
- 1:01:22is you release the model and then
- 1:01:25there's distillation. Well, if we're not
- 1:01:26doing that and if we're leading to
- 1:01:28robotics, why wouldn't they keep the
- 1:01:31models for robotics to themselves at
- 1:01:33this point? So, Frontier Model
- 1:01:34Intelligence, as was said by the
- 1:01:38Semianalysis guys, reaches a point where
- 1:01:40their revenues are not going to be about
- 1:01:43consumers paying for it or even honestly
- 1:01:45some enterprises paying for it. The
- 1:01:47majority of the big enterprises are
- 1:01:48going to continue to pay for Frontier
- 1:01:51models.
- 1:01:52But, the reality is most of their
- 1:01:53business going forward may be from
- 1:01:55biotech. It may be from
- 1:01:57from nano
- 1:01:58technology and materials. It may be from
- 1:02:00robotics. It may be from
- 1:02:03That's probably where it's going to be
- 1:02:05and that revenue hasn't even started
- 1:02:07yet.
- 1:02:08Astro makes a robotics breakthrough
- 1:02:09closer because it potentially solves the
- 1:02:11hardest remaining problem in humanoid
- 1:02:12robots, moving from a robot that can
- 1:02:14perform a program task to one that can
- 1:02:16understand a goal, reason through
- 1:02:18unfamiliar situations, and adapt actions
- 1:02:20to the physical world. This is how
- 1:02:22important it is for the humanoid
- 1:02:25explosion. So, again, personal agents,
- 1:02:28agent swarms, solving math problems, and
- 1:02:30robotics are all together. Do not get
- 1:02:32bearish AI compute with all of this
- 1:02:34hitting right now, guys, as I have my
- 1:02:35hoodie on.
- 1:02:37Brad Gerstner, Jensen Huang, Clark Tang,
- 1:02:40great thing to listen to if you want to
- 1:02:43feel better about AI.
- 1:02:46From the guy who's been right the entire
- 1:02:48time.
- 1:02:50Uh Frontier Labs are roughly a third of
- 1:02:52the business, not the whole story. He's
- 1:02:54basically saying, "Why is so much
- 1:02:57pressure Why is everyone focused so much
- 1:02:59on Open AI and Anthropic?" And he goes
- 1:03:01through the math of where
- 1:03:04the 10 trillion
- 1:03:06What it includes, like where the
- 1:03:08revenues are going to come from. And one
- 1:03:09of the things he says right off the bat
- 1:03:10is you have to understand it's 500
- 1:03:13billion a year just for new compute the
- 1:03:15way it's always been.
- 1:03:17So, again, to listen to him go through
- 1:03:19this and to break down
- 1:03:21from someone who's been right
- 1:03:23consistently, and he talks and makes
- 1:03:25jokes about it, whose business is
- 1:03:27booming and he's involved with every
- 1:03:29company in there, to listen to him
- 1:03:31answer all the questions. He doesn't
- 1:03:33care about where CoreWeave's debt is.
- 1:03:35That's why he came out and said,
- 1:03:36"They're fine. Their cost of capital is
- 1:03:38actually lower." Which again, then
- 1:03:39people laugh at. They don't even go do
- 1:03:41the work, which arguably is true.
- 1:03:45So, again, as you go through this and
- 1:03:47you don't figure it out and you don't
- 1:03:49think about it, you're just responding
- 1:03:51to things. And I get it when prices are
- 1:03:53going down, your mind runs to places
- 1:03:55that don't make sense. I'm just telling
- 1:03:57you hedge funds are doing this.
- 1:03:59This is a hedge fund deleveraging event.
- 1:04:01Now, the Korean market was involved in
- 1:04:04the first part of the year. Retail got
- 1:04:05in. It led to hedge funds going down.
- 1:04:07This is another leg of hedge funds, but
- 1:04:09remember, hedge funds that are near
- 1:04:11closure don't have a stack anymore.
- 1:04:13Hedge funds that have been beaten down,
- 1:04:15like the ones I showed, that are flat
- 1:04:17for the year and now could be down 10 or
- 1:04:1915% if they didn't get out of their
- 1:04:21positions, they're going to take things
- 1:04:23off because they don't want to be down
- 1:04:2440 and they've already seen a down 50.
- 1:04:27So, you start running into issues and
- 1:04:29primes start getting worried and people
- 1:04:31start coming in and investors are going
- 1:04:33through it.
- 1:04:34It's not a fun story, especially when
- 1:04:36it's happening across the board because
- 1:04:39that makes the primes even more worried.
- 1:04:41So, again, the frontier labs are a
- 1:04:43slice, they're not the engine. Bucket
- 1:04:44one, classical compute. I'm just giving
- 1:04:46you the three that he mentions here. You
- 1:04:48should really go through it on your own.
- 1:04:51I'm going to try to start to speed this
- 1:04:52up a little bit cuz this is a long
- 1:04:53video, but there's a lot of important
- 1:04:55things in there and hopefully you guys
- 1:04:56are getting it from it. Uh this is
- 1:04:57talking about his track record where
- 1:04:59he's basically been right throughout the
- 1:05:00entire time of doing the interviews in
- 1:05:03terms of how much compute would be
- 1:05:04spent, how things would do, what would
- 1:05:06happen to GPU prices. All of that's been
- 1:05:09there. And then Brad on the
- 1:05:11inevitability of AI. this is the most
- 1:05:13important exchange in the conversation.
- 1:05:15Brad is pushing back on Jensen's own
- 1:05:17answer to Ezra Klein, where he gave
- 1:05:18something like there's two or three
- 1:05:20years of visibility before the bubble
- 1:05:21question becomes live. Brad reframes it.
- 1:05:25This is not a CapEx cycle with a visible
- 1:05:27end. It's a fundamental re-architecture
- 1:05:29of global compute permanently.
- 1:05:32Huang's one-word answer was forever. So,
- 1:05:36I completely agree with this and this is
- 1:05:38the reason why
- 1:05:40the dot-com bubble was a mismatch
- 1:05:43between the demand not being there while
- 1:05:46the supply was being built on leverage
- 1:05:49by the companies that had nothing to do
- 1:05:52with the demand.
- 1:05:53This was about the fiber companies
- 1:05:55putting up the rails. This is very
- 1:05:57similar to crypto. Crypto didn't have
- 1:06:00the users, they didn't have the demand.
- 1:06:01Now, they're going to have the demand
- 1:06:03from the AI agents, which is why I say
- 1:06:05it's the same thing to me as the end of
- 1:06:07the dot-com bubble for crypto and why my
- 1:06:09positions are in crypto.
- 1:06:11His point, which I completely agree
- 1:06:13with, there is no end to this build-out.
- 1:06:16There is no end. And because the
- 1:06:17progress is driving the demand and the
- 1:06:19progress keeps accelerating, as I've
- 1:06:21shown you, I cannot make it any clearer.
- 1:06:24Token use has gone higher as progress
- 1:06:27moves forward. As the models get better,
- 1:06:29they're able to do more things that
- 1:06:31generate revenues.
- 1:06:33That is not a guess, so you guys know.
- 1:06:35That has been a fact. That's why
- 1:06:37listening to people saying they know
- 1:06:39what the revenues are going to look like
- 1:06:40in 2030 when they didn't even get
- 1:06:42Micron's revenue is
- 1:06:44literally ridiculous to listen to these
- 1:06:46people, including Gartner Group. It is a
- 1:06:49joke.
- 1:06:51Here have been the revenues
- 1:06:53for Nvidia relative to the consensus.
- 1:06:55And what Brad Gerstner was showing on
- 1:06:57here is where it was just a year ago.
- 1:07:00This was the consensus, again.
- 1:07:04This is what the consensus was for Look
- 1:07:06how far off the street was.
- 1:07:09And yet the stock price is unchanged as
- 1:07:11I said.
- 1:07:12Think about it. If you're a hedge fund
- 1:07:15and you thought the street thought that
- 1:07:17for 2029 it would be 305 and now it's at
- 1:07:20982
- 1:07:22a trillion dollars and you
- 1:07:25watch this happen and made no money.
- 1:07:27Of course you have to get out of things.
- 1:07:30Of course you do.
- 1:07:31This is the only thing right now and
- 1:07:34this is more of a slowing thing.
- 1:07:37I think what the market is going through
- 1:07:39is that the capital coming to the market
- 1:07:41is just causing the market to have
- 1:07:43trouble dealing with this stuff.
- 1:07:46As more money needs to be raised and
- 1:07:48people go I'd rather I got to make sure
- 1:07:50I have money for open AI. I have to make
- 1:07:51sure I have money for Anthropic. And
- 1:07:53whether it's mutual funds or this
- 1:07:55they have to raise cash.
- 1:07:58And I think all of this stuff that's
- 1:07:59been going on
- 1:08:01for SpaceX, for the bonds, for
- 1:08:03everything, the way that rates have
- 1:08:04moved, it's all been related.
- 1:08:07There's plenty of capital in the world
- 1:08:08for the AI build out. If it ends up
- 1:08:10being 20 trillion and not 10 trillion,
- 1:08:13there's plenty of capital but it will
- 1:08:14have to come from somewhere. If the
- 1:08:16revenues are coming in, people would
- 1:08:18rather own bonds at some point in
- 1:08:21CoreWeave than they would the Treasury.
- 1:08:23Absolutely. Someone this week said would
- 1:08:25you rather buy the equity or the bonds
- 1:08:26and I said I'd rather buy the bonds.
- 1:08:29That's where my mentality is at this
- 1:08:31point. I just think at this point with
- 1:08:32the panic that's going on and what
- 1:08:34people are doing if I had to have a
- 1:08:35choice, I'd rather have the debt at this
- 1:08:37point at these levels. When Genius
- 1:08:39Failed.
- 1:08:40So again, we're going out to 2030, we've
- 1:08:43lost all certainty. I watched as LTCM
- 1:08:46had trades on like Brazilian Telebras
- 1:08:49preferreds versus ordinaries that traded
- 1:08:51at a spread. The preferreds traded at a
- 1:08:53higher price
- 1:08:54but every day the privatization was
- 1:08:56going to happen, that was all going to
- 1:08:57converge to zero, the spread. So if
- 1:09:00you're trading at a 5 to 10% spread
- 1:09:04and 6 months from now you're going to
- 1:09:05have a privatization event, that should
- 1:09:08collapse to zero. So, if you put that
- 1:09:10trade on along with a bunch of other
- 1:09:11spread trades on, which is what LTCM
- 1:09:13did,
- 1:09:14you think you're going to make money.
- 1:09:16But, here's the problem. This is the
- 1:09:17lessons from leverage. And I want to
- 1:09:19make sure that for those of you this is
- 1:09:21even for people managing money at a
- 1:09:23freaking hedge fund who've never thought
- 1:09:24about this stuff.
- 1:09:26Lessons from leverage.
- 1:09:28Your fundamental thesis can be correct.
- 1:09:32But, the timing.
- 1:09:34If the AI trade, if all of Nvidia, if
- 1:09:37all of a sudden next year Nvidia is up
- 1:09:38300% and goes back to where it was
- 1:09:40before, nothing changed. It's just the
- 1:09:43timing you got wrong. You were in it,
- 1:09:44you couldn't wait because you've got
- 1:09:46investors who are measuring you on a
- 1:09:4812-month basis. The volatility. We've
- 1:09:50had a dramatic shift in the Vixy Q.
- 1:09:53Single name vol has exploded. Index vol
- 1:09:56has barely budged. You have no hedges.
- 1:09:59So, you can be wrong on volatility of
- 1:10:01the markets and the relationship of
- 1:10:02volatility to the index. The financing.
- 1:10:05You can have rates move higher. That can
- 1:10:06cause a problem on things. You've got to
- 1:10:08borrow more money. Maybe the banks can't
- 1:10:10lend as much or maybe your cost of
- 1:10:12capital is going up and your investors
- 1:10:14are like, "Hey, I can now invest in
- 1:10:15Libor plus 400. I don't need you guys
- 1:10:18anymore."
- 1:10:19Crowding. There can be too many people
- 1:10:21in the trade, which I think is one of
- 1:10:22the major problems, while
- 1:10:25liquidity is dropping off, which again,
- 1:10:27we've seen. Correlation. You can have
- 1:10:29breaks in correlation for periods of
- 1:10:31time. Well, we're definitely seeing that
- 1:10:32right now where the Mex Bolsa is going
- 1:10:34higher at the same time that the Qs are
- 1:10:36going down. So, if you've been sitting
- 1:10:38there riding a winner of Okay, I'm going
- 1:10:39to be long Qs. I need some shorts on it.
- 1:10:41Oh, the Mex Bolsa is trading at 52-week
- 1:10:43lows. That's a good short. Blah blah
- 1:10:45blah. Liquidity. Obviously, this was a
- 1:10:47major one with LTCM. Once it went
- 1:10:49through, they couldn't get out of it.
- 1:10:51And then the position sizing and I think
- 1:10:54situational awareness. Gone through it.
- 1:10:55That's why I did this stack on moral
- 1:10:57philosophy. I've done presentations
- 1:10:59mainly for mutual funds at this point.
- 1:11:01This is the way I see this going. We
- 1:11:02went from a normal distribution curve
- 1:11:04where we knew that 5 years from now Ford
- 1:11:07would still be in business. Again,
- 1:11:09unless there's some serious recession,
- 1:11:10but in this case with growth going, we
- 1:11:13are getting a weird world where we've
- 1:11:15got losers, think retail mall names,
- 1:11:17winner, think Amazon, and then we have a
- 1:11:19bunch of names right now like bank
- 1:11:21stocks that are sitting in the middle
- 1:11:23here that I think will gradually go into
- 1:11:25here leaving very few AI winners, and I
- 1:11:28think over time more of these will come
- 1:11:30over here.
- 1:11:32The losers will be have no growth. They
- 1:11:35will have their growth eradicated from
- 1:11:37AI. And that's just the fact. Here are
- 1:11:40the hyperscalers. Remember,
- 1:11:42arguably the most important space aside
- 1:11:45from Nvidia and their GPUs is what the
- 1:11:48hyperscalers stock price is doing. If
- 1:11:50capital's the issue,
- 1:11:52their stocks made new all-time highs as
- 1:11:54a group. And again, this is Amazon. This
- 1:11:56is Meta. This is Google. This is
- 1:11:58Microsoft. This is
- 1:11:59those four names.
- 1:12:02I did want to bring this up. Uh one one
- 1:12:04data point um which I think is important
- 1:12:07and becoming more important. Consumer
- 1:12:08confidence made the lowest level since
- 1:12:102013.
- 1:12:12Yes, the lowest level. We are below when
- 1:12:15there was a pandemic and millions of
- 1:12:16people were dying.
- 1:12:18We're lower than that. That's how bad
- 1:12:20things are in the way people view it as
- 1:12:22we go into the midterms. Since 2014,
- 1:12:26the unemployment rate here was 200 basis
- 1:12:28points higher than it is today.
- 1:12:30To show the importance of this from the
- 1:12:32jobless situation, jobs is what drives
- 1:12:34this historically. This is the
- 1:12:37unemployment rate, and this is now that
- 1:12:39consumer confidence number inverted, and
- 1:12:41this is back to 1970.
- 1:12:43It is the jobs market that drives this
- 1:12:46historically. Now, we've seen the jobs
- 1:12:49market slightly weaken, but this year
- 1:12:50has been fine. But like I've said
- 1:12:53before, the jobs market is far weaker
- 1:12:55than economists will tell you.
- 1:12:57This is inside the number of that
- 1:13:00consumer confidence. This is the jobs
- 1:13:01plentiful versus hard to get inverted
- 1:13:04again. So, hard
- 1:13:06hard to get jobs
- 1:13:09versus plentiful,
- 1:13:10you've got, again,
- 1:13:13the It says the unemployment rate should
- 1:13:15be closer to six, just like it was back
- 1:13:16in 2013.
- 1:13:18Uh Warren Pies put this out uh last
- 1:13:21week. And again, financials and tech
- 1:13:23payrolls are shrinking. Aside from
- 1:13:26nursing jobs,
- 1:13:27health care jobs, we are negative now
- 1:13:29for whatever it's been, 18 months.
- 1:13:32And he's just highlighting that this is
- 1:13:34a dramatic change in terms of what has
- 1:13:36gone on in the past. And we're entering
- 1:13:39a new period where the agent workflows
- 1:13:41are about to be adopted. So, I do think
- 1:13:43you're going to have a labor kind of
- 1:13:45situation. You can view how that
- 1:13:47matters. It's not a recession type
- 1:13:49thing. It's a
- 1:13:51profit margin type thing, but it's also
- 1:13:52a politics thing. It could be a Fed
- 1:13:54thing.
- 1:13:55Uh we'll just have to see. And remember,
- 1:13:58another way that we've seen this is
- 1:14:00we're right now looking at uh earnings
- 1:14:02growth in the S&P at 29%. So, up here.
- 1:14:06And this is the year-over-year jobs
- 1:14:10creation relative to it. So, to finish
- 1:14:12up, very short week in crypto. I did
- 1:14:15this video. I continue to go through
- 1:14:16learn the stack. For those people who
- 1:14:18have joined, remember to watch the
- 1:14:19videos. I'll have another one come out
- 1:14:21this week on It's been a busy week,
- 1:14:23obviously, with the video I did on the
- 1:14:24AI side. I will continue to go through
- 1:14:26it. Um last week, we went through the
- 1:14:29Oracle data and interop middleware and
- 1:14:31the settlement and smart contract rails.
- 1:14:33For those of you interested, especially
- 1:14:35in tokenization, I think you should
- 1:14:38sign up if you haven't already uh
- 1:14:40particularly on the hedge fund and
- 1:14:41mutual fund side and really start to get
- 1:14:43these. Uh I think you should be doing
- 1:14:45your homework now. As you're getting
- 1:14:48as you're watching the horrible trade in
- 1:14:50the AI thing, crypto is going to be a
- 1:14:52very different thing next year. Um
- 1:14:55privacy is the theme that I covered last
- 1:14:57week, very important. Here is the
- 1:14:59month-to-date. So, the index is down 7%
- 1:15:02Bitcoin's down 2 and 1/2 since August
- 1:15:05again, still crushing it since June.
- 1:15:08Same thing as AI has worsened, they have
- 1:15:11done well.
- 1:15:12Uh still bull market here. Did see some
- 1:15:16weakness in the names on the 50-day.
- 1:15:17Only 20 names above the 50-day, but in
- 1:15:20terms of the 200-day and what's rising
- 1:15:21in the slopes, good. And again, a
- 1:15:24correction within side a very large
- 1:15:26market. Bitcoin is hanging in here. I
- 1:15:28don't think we're going to see a move
- 1:15:30higher in Bitcoin until we see some
- 1:15:32stabilization in the hedge fund
- 1:15:35scenario. Uh but hopefully it'll be able
- 1:15:37in here. It would not surprise me if it
- 1:15:39kept meandering back down towards the 75
- 1:15:42area.
- 1:15:43Uh just in there. And the final piece of
- 1:15:46information, which I will cover in a
- 1:15:47paper this week, related to crypto.
- 1:15:51I think it is shocking
- 1:15:53this number that their net interest
- 1:15:55income could reach $107
- 1:15:58billion according to them next year.
- 1:16:00This money, as I showed last week with
- 1:16:02Stripe, is about to come out of the
- 1:16:04market. All right. Long one, an
- 1:16:06important one. Um I need to keep you
- 1:16:08guys happy. I gave you a hoodies up
- 1:16:11uh week.
- 1:16:13I'll see you next week. And if big
- 1:16:15things are happening during the week, uh
- 1:16:16I will keep you up with one, two, three,
- 1:16:19who knows how many videos I might have
- 1:16:21to do this week because of all the news
- 1:16:22going on. Stay calm.
- 1:16:26Don't worry about the bubble, but for
- 1:16:27hedge funds,
- 1:16:29this is the end of leverage in hedge
- 1:16:31funds uh as a rising situation. See you.
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