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0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:02and educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:06proven guilty in a court of law. Any
0:08footage used in this video is obtained
0:10through public records and falls under
0:12fair use for the purpose of reporting,
0:14analysis, and public interest.
0:17>> I mean,
0:17>> not involved. It would be an adamant I
0:19didn't do.
0:20>> Oh, I didn't do it. I did. I definitely
0:22didn't do it. Like, this is absolutely I
0:25definitely This is,
0:27you know,
0:30On a spring morning in Chvy Chase,
0:32Maryland, 50-year-old Leslie Jennings
0:34Prier failed to show up for work.
0:36Something her co-workers knew
0:38immediately was out of character. When
0:40officers [music] entered her home to
0:42conduct a welfare check, the signs of a
0:44struggle emerged [music] almost at once.
0:46Blood smeared along the foyer, furniture
0:48overturned, and a rug pushed out of
0:50place [music] and stained. Upstairs, in
0:54the master bathroom shower stall,
0:55detectives found Leslie's body. The
0:58violence [music] inside that home was
0:59unmistakable, but the person responsible
1:02and the reason behind the attack
1:04remained hidden for more than two
1:05decades. It would take advances [music]
1:07in forensic genetic genealogy to finally
1:10reveal whose DNA Leslie fought to hold
1:12on to. This is the interrogation of
1:15Eugene Gilgore.
1:19>> Thank you.
1:21>> Hi, Eugene.
1:22>> Hello.
1:24>> Water, right? back
1:25>> and I'll be able to um
1:26>> if we need a break or something and let
1:28you know.
1:29>> Okay. Thank you.
1:31>> I am Detective Mcosten. This is
1:33Detective Dupo.
1:34>> Hi there.
1:35>> From Montgomery County.
1:36>> Okay.
1:38>> I'm sure you're wondering what this is
1:39all about.
1:40>> I would really like to know. Um this has
1:42been really really hard. Whatever's
1:45happening.
1:46>> Well, we're going to get through all of
1:48that with you. We just have to do some
1:50paperwork real quick.
1:51>> Yeah.
1:58Um before we can talk to you about
1:59anything, we have to read you your
2:00rights. Um so I have some of this filled
2:04out already, but um what is your
2:06physical condition today? You have any
2:07injuries? Are you feeling okay?
2:09>> Um I mean I'm feeling a little bit
2:11caught off guard and um I'm from the
2:13handcuffs there's seems to be a lump on
2:16my hand. I don't know if it
2:18>> okay
2:18>> is um
2:21but you know I I have no idea. Is it
2:24swelling? Is it a blood clot? I I don't
2:27know. Okay. I've been holding my hand
2:29above my heart just so hopefully it
2:32>> helps to heal. um you know otherwise
2:37um health conditions I mean I
2:44>> I've been under the weather.
2:46>> Okay.
2:47>> Um but
2:48>> but nothing
2:51>> Yeah. I mean nothing
2:53>> all right. Nothing that's um clouding
2:55your mental judgment or anything like
2:58that though.
2:59>> Um I mean
3:01>> anything else?
3:03Um, no.
3:04>> Okay. And um, are you sober right now?
3:08>> Yeah, I'm I'm Yeah, 100% sober. I've
3:13been sober for years.
3:15>> Ask everybody.
3:16>> Yeah, these are just the form questions.
3:18Um, what is your highest education
3:20level? Complete.
3:21>> High school.
3:24>> All right. And what time is it? 120.
3:39Uh, do you speak any other languages?
3:41>> Um, not fluent.
3:43>> Okay. So, English is you're comfortable.
3:45Okay.
3:46>> Mhm.
3:47>> All right. I'm going to read this to
3:48you. If you uh want me to stop or repeat
3:51anything, just interrupt me. Okay.
3:53>> You have the right now and at any time
3:54to remain silent. Anything you say may
3:57be used against you. You have the right
3:58to a lawyer before and during any
4:01questioning. If you cannot afford a
4:03lawyer, one will be appointed for you.
4:05You have the right to be taken promptly
4:07before a district court commissioner who
4:09is a judicial officer not connected with
4:11the police. A commissioner will inform
4:13you of each offense you are charged with
4:15and the penalties for each offense,
4:17provide you with a written copy of the
4:18charges against you, advise you of your
4:21right to counsel, make a pre-trial
4:23custody determination, and advise you
4:25whether you have a right to a
4:26preliminary hearing before a judge at a
4:28later time. Do you understand what I've
4:30just said?
4:31>> Mhm.
4:31>> Okay.
4:42All right. So, I'm going to let you look
4:44over this again. I just need you to
4:46initial each of those lines and sign
4:48right there. And that's only saying that
4:50we read this to you and that you
4:51understand.
4:57There's one on number six. Everybody
4:58always misses that one by your thumb.
5:03Thank you.
5:05Okay.
5:08219.
5:14Okay. So, now that that's out of the
5:16way, we are from McGomery County. We
5:19actually work in the cold case unit. Um,
5:22we investigate crimes that have been
5:25unsolved for quite a period of time.
5:27>> We investigate homicides and rape. So,
5:30um, we were working on a case that came
5:34from Chvy Chase and, um, when we were
5:37going through the case file, your name
5:39was in there, um, as someone that was
5:42related to the family, whether it we
5:45have a big list of people, but um,
5:47friends, family, something like that.
5:49So, um, do you recall back in 2001
5:53Leslie Pri?
5:55>> Yes. That she was murdered. Yeah.
5:57>> Yes. Okay. So that's the case that we
5:59are investigating. Um, so I you went to
6:04BCC with her daughter at the time,
6:06correct?
6:06>> Is that correct? Okay. And what was your
6:08relationship with Lauren, the daughter?
6:10>> Um, we had dated.
6:13>> Okay. And when did you guys date? Do you
6:16remember years?
6:17>> Exact dates, I'm not entirely sure. Um,
6:22>> were you in high school or was it after
6:24high school?
6:24>> Yeah, it was high school. Um,
6:29yeah. I'm not I'm not exactly sure.
6:31Maybe like
6:331994
6:35to 1997 or something around there.
6:38>> Okay. Um, and from your dates of birth,
6:41I can see you're um a little bit younger
6:43than Lauren. So, was she already
6:45graduated from high school or were you
6:46guys both still in high school when you
6:47guys were dating?
6:48>> We were both in high school. She had
6:51finished high school.
6:53Um, and I believe we had dated for a few
6:57months while she was in college, but um,
7:01but that was it.
7:02>> Okay. Um, so back then when you guys
7:07were dating, where did you live? Um,
7:14I lived in
7:18uh with my um
7:22with my mother in Rockville.
7:25>> Okay. Do you remember the address or
7:27what street or anything?
7:28>> I wish I did. I I don't.
7:30>> Okay. Um and you said you lived with
7:34your mother. Were your parents
7:35separated?
7:36>> Yeah.
7:36>> Okay. Where did your dad live? Uh he
7:38lived in um in uh in Chvy Chase and uh
7:45Yeah.
7:47>> Do you know the street or
7:48>> Yeah. Brookside Drive. Okay.
7:51>> Yeah.
7:52>> Um and so you and Lauren had dated well
7:57before her mother was killed. Do you
8:00remember um like were you still in touch
8:04with Lauren when this stuff happened to
8:06her mom? Um, no. We had broken up a
8:09couple years before, um, at least. Um,
8:13maybe longer. I I'm not sure. And, um,
8:20believe I reached out just to send my
8:22regards and, um, maybe saw her a couple
8:26times and, um, but that was it.
8:30>> Okay. Do you remember how you found out
8:31about it? Um, I remember I was at work
8:35and I believe she had actually told me
8:39that she had come into where I was
8:41working at a restaurant and she had had
8:44told me that what had happened.
8:46>> What restaurant was that? Do you
8:47remember?
8:47>> Um, it was uh a restaurant called
8:51Blacks.
8:52>> Okay.
8:53>> In Bethesda.
8:54>> Okay. Um, let me see. So, you guys were
8:59just kind of cordial at the time, but
9:01you weren't really close. It's not like
9:03you guys kept touch that much.
9:05>> Correct.
9:05>> Okay. Um, when you guys were dating, how
9:09close were you with the family? Like,
9:10did you spend a lot of time at their
9:12house or did you know them real well?
9:14>> I knew the family. I, you know,
9:17definitely spent time, She spent time at
9:19my house. I've spent time at her house.
9:22Um,
9:23yeah. You know, for sure. Mhm. So, how
9:27were you close with her parents?
9:28>> I mean, I wouldn't say close with them.
9:31I don't know how much um I I don't know
9:35if close would be the right word. Um
9:39but they were friendly with me and and
9:43nice to me. So, um
9:47yeah, I mean
9:48>> Okay. Um let me see.
9:53Were you at her house a lot of the time?
9:56Um,
9:57>> or did you guys spend more time at your
9:59house or what did you guys do when you
10:00>> I mean it was a mix. My house, her
10:04house, go being out. I mean, we're young
10:07and teenagers, so there was, you know,
10:10going out and
10:12>> Okay.
10:12>> Yeah.
10:13>> When you say your house, was it your
10:15mom's house or your dad's house or both?
10:16>> Um, I probably my mom's house more so
10:20because I I lived with her.
10:22>> Okay. Yeah.
10:23>> Um, when you found out about Lauren's
10:27mom, do you remember who you were dating
10:29at the time or were you dating anybody?
10:31>> Um, I don't recall who I was dating at
10:34the time, but um, yeah. No, I'm I'm not
10:39100% certain. I mean, I had been dating,
10:41but I'm not sure.
10:43>> Okay. And so, you were working at a bar.
10:45Um, what else was going on in your life
10:47at that time? Um,
10:50I I can't recall. I mean,
10:53>> were you working or were you in school?
10:55College or
10:56>> Um, I worked I think I was
11:01in taking classes in college at the
11:05time.
11:06>> Um, where did you go to college?
11:08>> Uh, Montgomery College.
11:09>> Okay. In the Rockville or Tacoma Park?
11:12>> Um, but I took classes at both.
11:14>> Okay.
11:14>> Yeah. Um, and when you were younger, did
11:19you ever get in any trouble with the
11:20police or anything?
11:22>> Not particularly. No.
11:24>> Okay.
11:25>> Um,
11:27yeah. No, not not that I can recall.
11:31>> Okay. Um,
11:34how well did you know Lauren's mom?
11:38Like was there ever any kind of a
11:43weird relationship between you two after
11:46Lauren?
11:50>> No. Okay.
11:50>> I mean, I wasn't in touch, so I don't
11:53>> Okay. So, you were never like dating
11:55Lauren's mom or anything like that
11:57behind the scenes?
12:00>> No.
12:01>> Okay.
12:01>> I I just I wasn't I wasn't ever in
12:03touch. Um you know that
12:05>> Okay.
12:07Um, so the reason that we wanted to talk
12:10to you is because a lot of the people
12:12whose names are in the case file,
12:14they've been interviewed throughout the
12:16years and they've been asked to give DNA
12:18samples to compare to DNA from the crime
12:21scene. And most of the pretty much
12:24everybody that's in the list has been
12:26talked to has been eliminated as a
12:28suspect. Your name was actually in the
12:30file, but they never reached out to you
12:32or never spoke to you for some reason.
12:35So that's why we wanted to reach out to
12:36you and see if you remember, recall
12:39anything about the time when Leslie was
12:43killed. Anything that you remember about
12:46your life at the time that like could be
12:49relevant, any relationships you had with
12:51the family or anything like that?
12:54>> I I really don't recall.
12:56>> Okay. Um, so from the crime scene, we
13:00have DNA from the person who was there
13:03when Leslie died. So there's Leslie's
13:06blood all over the place, obviously. Um,
13:08but then there's also another DNA
13:10profile that was picked up from the
13:12crime scene, and we had put that into
13:16Cotus, our database from the National
13:18Cotus um, DNA index system, and it has
13:22never hit. So, whoever was there,
13:24whoever's DNA was also on the scene has
13:27never been arrested. And that's why we
13:29were going through doing all these
13:30elimination DNA samples to find out, you
13:33know, okay, well, this person couldn't
13:35have done it cuz we match their DNA to
13:37it. Um, so we realized that they never
13:40talked to you, never did anything, and
13:42we wanted to find out more about you,
13:46and if there was any kind of situation
13:48where you could have been at the house
13:51at that time.
13:53>> I I'm just I'm a little confused. So, to
13:56find out more and talk to me, why not
13:58just call me and ask me to come in and
14:01and talk to me versus
14:03have marshals come and arrest me and
14:06bring me in? I'm I'm just confused as to
14:08why that's the case.
14:10>> Well, because we needed to talk to you
14:13in a controlled environment and because
14:15there's a little bit more to it than
14:18what we've told you so far.
14:20>> Could Could you tell me?
14:21>> Well, we're getting there. I'm trying to
14:23give you an opportunity to be a little
14:24bit forthcoming before we
14:26>> I mean, I I I'm I feel very I feel a
14:30little bit trapped here. Like,
14:31>> well, you're under arrest, so you should
14:33feel trapped,
14:34>> right? And so I I think, you know, I I
14:37mean, probably asking for a lawyer is my
14:39best course of action at this point.
14:42>> Um,
14:43>> okay.
14:44>> Instead of doing any more discussing or
14:46talking about it, it just doesn't seem
14:49>> I don't understand. So, I'd like to have
14:51somebody
14:52>> That's why we're trying to talk to you
14:53about it.
14:53>> I know. And there's two of you and one
14:56of me. So, I I feel a little
14:57outnumbered. Um, and I probably would
15:00need some type of representation if I am
15:02under arrest, as you said, which which I
15:05am.
15:05>> Yeah.
15:06>> And so I I think that having a lawyer
15:08would be the best for me in in my
15:12interest at this point.
15:13>> That's totally fine. And we don't have
15:15to ask you any more questions, but we
15:17are going to just tell you some stuff.
15:19Okay.
15:20>> Okay. Um, so from the crime scene, the
15:23DNA that was taken, we actually have a
15:26sample of your DNA and it was compared
15:27to the crime scene DNA and it matched.
15:31So we know that you were there at the
15:34time when Leslie died.
15:35>> But I never gave a sample of DNA.
15:38>> That's correct. We obtained a sample
15:40from a discarded water bottle that you
15:42drank out of.
15:44So, you were followed and we collected
15:48it after you discarded it into the trash
15:50and it was swabbed and it was compared.
15:55So, your DNA matches the crime scene
15:57DNA.
16:01>> I don't know what to say. I I'm not
16:05I have no recollection. I have no
16:07memory. I have no I I I don't know what
16:11to say.
16:11>> Okay. Well, that's why we wanted to talk
16:13to you to find out if there's any other
16:16explanation, but we can't ask you any
16:19more questions if you want a lawyer
16:21present.
16:22>> Yeah, I I I think I should have a lawyer
16:24present. I just don't I don't know what
16:26to do or say. It doesn't make sense to
16:28me. So, I don't know. I don't know what
16:32to do.
16:35>> Do you have a lawyer that you
16:36[clears throat]
16:38>> No. Okay. I don't have to call. I don't
16:40know.
16:41>> [laughter]
16:42>> I probably called my girlfriend and ask
16:44her to help find someone. I don't know.
16:48>> You know, we wanted to try to see if
16:50there was another angle or another side
16:52to this story. And I mean,
16:55>> you know, we know
16:55>> why would my DNA be there?
16:57>> That's what we're trying to figure out.
16:58>> So, I don't know. I I I don't know. You
17:01know, I mean, I was in the house, but it
17:04was years before, you know, when I dated
17:06her.
17:06>> Correct. Um,
17:09I I don't know. I wish I could tell you.
17:12[laughter]
17:14I don't know.
17:17I don't know.
17:24This is all
17:26very bewildering, very strange. [sighs]
17:36What's is there more that you're going
17:38to tell me? Is there more?
17:40>> I mean, we've told you plenty. We We
17:43can't continue to ask you questions.
17:47>> If you want to keep talking, we can, but
17:49if you want to stop, you have to let us
17:51know for sure.
17:52>> Yeah,
17:52>> we can tell you more about, you know,
17:55what we think happened.
17:58>> I I don't I mean, what do you think
18:01happened? I don't know. I can't verify.
18:03I don't know. I don't recall. I don't
18:05have any memory. I didn't do anything
18:08that you're talking about. So, I don't
18:10know. And I don't feel like I can I
18:14don't know how to answer or go into I
18:16don't want to to incrimidate myself with
18:19questions. You guys are professionals.
18:21I'm not I don't know. I I really do
18:24think I need an attorney. I need to use
18:26the phone and I need to call someone and
18:28I need to I need legal representation
18:30before I respond to anything else. I I
18:34>> Okay, that's fine. Um, we're not going
18:36to ask you any more questions.
18:44There's no tears coming out of your
18:45face.
18:47>> I'm very dry right now.
18:49>> You're dry?
18:50>> I'm very dry. I'm partially dehydrated.
18:53You can probably see my eyes are
18:54bloodshot red because I'm just tired and
18:58drained. I don't know what's going on.
19:00You want me to go drink water so I could
19:02tear? [laughter] Like, what is wrong
19:04with you?
19:05>> I don't want you to tear. I just don't
19:06want
19:07>> What are you [laughter] trying to say?
19:08>> I'm just trying to say that this seems a
19:10little put on.
19:11>> Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
19:15>> No.
19:16>> Oh my god. You're so full of it. You're
19:19you're just you're after this is this is
19:22the police. This is Yes. Like it makes
19:25sense. You know, it's in your eyes it's
19:28guilty until proven innocent. I get it.
19:30>> Well, honey, your DNA was in the crime
19:32scene. That's why like there's a reason.
19:35>> There's there's just there's there's
19:37there's due process, right? Due process.
19:40So, you're saying that so you're saying
19:42I'm guilty before I've even been put
19:44into a court of law? saying that there's
19:46probable cause to believe that you were
19:50there when
19:51>> I think what you were saying was the
19:53contrary to that. So, okay. But I don't
19:56remember. I don't know. I don't know. I
20:00don't know.
20:00>> What we're trying to figure out is how
20:02your blood was at the scene that day.
20:05>> If there's an alternate explanation,
20:07that's why we wanted to talk to you
20:08today. Okay. So, I feel like you just
20:10need to take a breath for a second.
20:13Okay.
20:15That's what we're trying to figure out.
20:17Why is your blood there?
20:21Could it have been, you know,
20:24an interrupted burglary? Did something
20:26happen where you didn't expect anybody
20:29to be home?
20:31>> I I have no idea. I don't remember. I
20:33don't recall.
20:35>> Again, you're asking me questions. I I
20:39don't know. And I asked you you did you
20:41just asked me a question and I asked for
20:44legal representation and you guys are
20:46very smug looking at me like I'm like
20:49I've done something and of course it's
20:52innocent until proven guilty. Right.
20:55>> Am I wrong or am I right?
20:56>> You are entitled to your due process.
20:58Absolutely.
20:59>> This is insane.
21:01This is insane. I don't I I really don't
21:05know what else to say other than please
21:08allow me to you you
21:11read it to me, right? That I am allowed
21:13legal representation.
21:15>> Absolutely.
21:15>> This would be the best thing for me to
21:17do right now.
21:19>> I'm not going to ask you any more
21:20questions. You said you wanted to know
21:22more, so we were telling you more.
21:25>> I'm sorry. I just I'm I'm really on edge
21:28and I can see
21:29>> upset and Yeah.
21:32Yeah.
21:32>> Okay. You would like legal
21:34representation. That is absolutely your
21:36right. We will not ask you any more
21:38questions. All right.
21:39>> And how do I go about doing this? What's
21:41that?
21:42>> When we're done talking to you, they're
21:43going to walk you back over to
21:45processing. And once they are done, I
21:48don't know if they've done fingerprints
21:49and all that stuff with you yet. Once
21:51they're done with all that and you meet
21:52with I think in DC, you're going to
21:54still meet with a commissioner and be
21:55charged with this paperwork for this or
21:58be served with it. and then you'll have
22:00an opportunity to make whatever phone
22:02calls you need to make.
22:03>> Okay.
22:04>> I believe that's the process. We're in
22:05DC, so I'm not super That's how it is in
22:07in Maryland.
22:08>> Okay.
22:09>> All right.
22:09>> Okay.
22:10>> And then at some point you will be taken
22:12back over to Maryland.
22:13>> Mhm.
22:14>> And um then you will figure out what
22:19they're going to do in terms of an
22:20attorney because you're in DC now. So I
22:22don't know if you need a different
22:23lawyer unless they're both Maryland and
22:26DC bar certified. I don't know. I don't
22:29know how that goes, but they'll explain
22:30it all to you when you get over there.
22:32>> And if that's a whole different you want
22:34to talk to us with your lawyer present,
22:35we can make arrangements for that.
22:37>> Okay.
22:38>> I just don't I don't I'm I'm really
22:41confused and I'm really at a loss and I
22:44I don't know. I don't have any
22:47recollection of being involved with any
22:49of this. I'm
22:53>> You keep saying you don't remember and
22:55you don't have any recollection. Well,
22:57>> but if somebody was
22:59>> not involved, it would be an adamant I
23:01didn't do.
23:01>> Oh, I didn't do it. I did. I definitely
23:04didn't do it. Like, this is absolutely I
23:07definitely This is, you know,
23:12I've been an alcoholic in recovery for
23:15years now. I've been sober for years.
23:17And there are many, many times in which
23:20it earlier life wasn't
23:23great. you know, abusive father uh
23:27issues at, you know, but at the same
23:30time, this isn't something that I
23:34I I know I didn't do it. I know I wasn't
23:37involved and I just don't understand how
23:40this has come to this. I really wish I
23:42knew and I really wish I could tell you
23:45some give you some answers and give you
23:46more feedback from an honest perspective
23:50because I just don't know. I just don't
23:53know. I don't
23:55>> I don't know either. That's why we
23:56wanted to talk to you. I don't know why
23:58your blood is there. Also, I don't know.
24:07>> Wow.
24:08>> The only person that knows is Leslie and
24:10she can't tell us.
24:13>> Wow.
24:18I can't believe it.
24:24My god.
24:31>> Do I get to make phone call? Do I get
24:34>> We're all done. Do you have any other
24:35questions for us?
24:36>> I I I don't I don't know. I If something
24:40comes up, I I mean, I'm I'm
24:43flabber. I I I don't know what to say or
24:46what to do or what to think right now.
24:48>> Okay. Well, after you talk to your
24:50attorney, if you want to talk to us
24:51again, my name and information is on the
24:54paperwork that you're going to get.
24:56>> You can have your attorney reach out to
24:57Montgomery County. He'll be able to
24:59figure out or he or she, whoever, um,
25:01we'll be able to figure out
25:02>> how to get in touch with us.
25:04>> Okay.
25:04>> Okay.
25:05>> All right.
25:12>> I think they need to put in a code.
25:35Thanks.
25:36>> Mhm.
25:37>> Yeah. Done.
25:40>> You need to go back.
25:43All
25:48right. Sure. Go ahead and stand up for
25:50me.
25:56>> We're going to go right back to where
25:57you were. Okay.
26:02>> Can I request like a blanket or
26:03something for that room? It's really
26:05cold.
26:05>> Um,
26:06>> a blanket like something to put over me
26:09or or like an extra layer of clothing or
26:11something? I I don't know if they
26:13provide that. Like I said, this I'm kind
26:14of a guest here as well.
26:16>> So,
26:17>> yeah, unfortunately, we don't have um
26:20that.
26:23>> And um they said mentioned I'd be able
26:25to make a phone call or
26:27>> um
26:28>> let's walk and we could talk about it.
26:29She could probably explain the process
26:31here in DC. I don't know when they allow
26:33you to make a phone call.
26:34>> Um actually, your phone call question.
26:38Um,
26:40your phone call is up to the detective.
26:45So, they'll just allow the phone call.
26:47>> You You said that it was up to you guys.
26:50>> Well, it's not it's not my case. I'm a
26:52DC detective,
26:53>> right?
26:54>> It's up to them. They say you can make a
26:56call. You can make the call, but it has
26:57to be made on speaker phone,
26:59>> right?
27:00>> You go back in there. We can get your
27:01phone or do we
27:03>> you know the number I need I need my
27:06phone.
27:08We can't give you a call.
27:08>> Yeah, you can give me
27:10>> I mean I can I can try to remember it if
27:12you give me an attempt or two.
27:13>> Okay, I'll you can go back in and you
27:17can do it.
27:18>> Thank you.
27:32Oh, he can't do it in the room here.
27:36>> Yeah.
27:50>> You already know.
27:54Who is it you're trying to call?
27:56>> I'm trying to call um my girlfriend so
27:58she can try to find me a lawyer.
28:01>> I mean, I don't have any lawyer's
28:03numbers, so I would need to
28:06help with that.
28:07>> If you want to continue talking to us
28:08with a lawyer, that's one thing. If you
28:10want to just find a lawyer, then you can
28:12do that after they serve you with the
28:14paperwork and everything.
28:15>> So, is that
28:16>> What do you What do you mean? I I'm a
28:18little confused. So you can Are you
28:20trying to get a lawyer to sit with you
28:22while we talk to you or do you just want
28:24to talk to a lawyer and then
28:26>> I mean I want to talk to my girlfriend
28:28and let her know what's happened and she
28:29doesn't has no idea. We live together.
28:32>> Okay. So you can make that phone call
28:34after you're serving the paperwork,
28:35>> but in addition I need I was I need to
28:38call I need a number for I don't have a
28:41number for a lawyer. So I was going to
28:43call her and ask for her assistance with
28:44it.
28:45>> Right. When you get over to the jail,
28:47you'll be able to make that phone call.
28:48I thought you were calling a lawyer
28:49right now. I'm sorry. That was my
28:51mistake.
28:52>> But I I'm calling somebody that will
28:53call a lawyer for me. And she just
28:57mentioned it's up to you for me to make
28:58a phone call.
28:59>> Sir, what we're trying to figure out is
29:01if you want the lawyer to be here while
29:03we're talking to you and questioning you
29:04or if you're just
29:05>> Yeah. Yes, I would.
29:06>> So, do you want to continue talking to
29:08us or do you just want to talk to a
29:10lawyer
29:10>> with a lawyer present? Yeah, sure. I'd
29:12be happy to, but I need to understand my
29:15rights and and you know have some
29:16representation instead of me being
29:18alone. You know, two against one is not
29:21>> Okay.
29:22>> Well, and you can also have that
29:23opportunity when you get to Maryland.
29:24>> Yeah.
29:25>> Once you cuz that process of finding a
29:28lawyer and getting somebody to come out
29:29and stuff is going to take not just one
29:32day. It it'll be a
29:34>> draw cut off for today. It's cut off for
29:3610.
29:36>> So once you find an attorney and
29:38>> cut off for what? I'm sorry.
29:40>> So
29:41>> no, go ahead. Can I Okay. So, here in
29:43DC, our tor cut off time is around 10:00
29:4710:30, which means that if you haven't
29:49been processed and if you haven't
29:51arrived at the courts by 10:00 10:30,
29:54you'll have to wait to see the judge the
29:56next day.
29:57>> Okay?
29:57>> So, you'll see the judge here in DC in
30:00the morning or tomorrow sometime, and
30:02then they'll the process of them extra
30:05night back to Maryland and all of that
30:06stuff goes into play.
30:08>> Okay. So, so you're saying I need to
30:10spend a night here?
30:11>> Oh, yeah. You'll be here. Yes.
30:13>> Once you get the lawyer figured out,
30:15they can contact us if you want to talk
30:17to us again.
30:18>> So, can I call a lawyer right now?
30:20>> You will once you get over and you get
30:22>> process process,
30:23>> but that's not until tomorrow.
30:25>> Um, when you see the So, normally what
30:28happens is they'll they'll appoint you a
30:32point a court appointed attorney. I'm
30:36sorry. I couldn't get together. they do
30:38that. Um, and then you'll decide, you
30:41know, if this is who you want to use or
30:42if you want to go and get your own. But
30:45that's all a process down the line. It's
30:47not a process that we would do like
30:49right here, like right now.
30:50>> Okay.
30:51>> Okay.
30:52>> Now, what you can do if you if they
30:54allow you to is you can call your
30:55girlfriend, let her know what's going
30:57on, and tell her to work on getting you
30:58an attorney.
30:59>> Yeah.
30:59>> You can at least do that. But as far as
31:01like trying to get an attorney now and
31:03having her come in,
31:04>> we're not going to mess with that right
31:05now. when you get to jail, he can make
31:08it to jail.
31:10>> So, he's going to go over there.
31:12>> They're going to process him and then
31:14he's going to go down. He's going to
31:15>> Aren't I allowed to call
31:17>> to um our central cell block and he'll
31:19be down there?
31:21>> No, they they have no phone.
31:23>> Okay.
31:24>> That's why he either has to do it here
31:26>> or he either has to do it when he gets
31:28over I mean across the hall. Okay.
31:31>> Well, once he gets down to uh central
31:33cell block, it's no help.
31:34>> What's across the hall?
31:36>> Just um where they at housing where to
31:39just have them until they're transported
31:40down to Central
31:41>> and they have phones there.
31:43>> Okay. So, you can make a phone call
31:44there. You can ask there.
31:45>> Okay.
31:45>> I mean, they're asking can I make a
31:47phone call?
31:47>> You will be able to. Yes.
31:49>> So, today I'll be able to make a phone.
31:50>> You'll be able to call your girlfriend
31:51once we walk you across before we put
31:53you back in the sale. We'll let you
31:54ride.
31:55>> Will I be able to see my cell phone to
31:56get the phone number? No.
32:00who memorizes numbers. Um,
32:03>> I don't remember. I memorized my
32:05husband's number. Most of four numbers I
32:07do remember.
32:08>> Yeah,
32:08>> everybody's different, but
32:10>> So, you don't remember it?
32:11>> I mean, I I think I might be able to to
32:14to remember it. I might have to give it
32:16a couple attempts just to make sure.
32:19>> Okay, we're ready.
32:22>> Thank you, lady.
32:23>> Thank you.
32:30In the years that followed his arrest,
32:32the case moved steadily toward
32:33resolution. Prosecutors ultimately
32:36accepted a plea to seconddegree murder,
32:38noting that the evidence did not support
32:40premeditation, but [music] did confirm
32:42that Leslie fought her attacker with
32:43enough force to leave his DNA beneath
32:45her fingernails. In May [music] 2025,
32:49Eugene Theodore Gilgore entered that
32:51plea in a Montgomery County courtroom.
32:53At sentencing [music] a few months
32:55later, the judge imposed a 30-year term
32:57with all but 22 years to serve, followed
33:00by 5 years of supervised probation.
33:02Leslie's family, [music] who had carried
33:04the weight of the unanswered questions
33:06for more than two decades, delivered
33:08their statements before the court,
33:09speaking to the loss and the long
33:11silence that had followed her death.
33:13Gilgore apologized and [music] claimed
33:14he had been too intoxicated to remember
33:16the events, but he offered no motive and
33:18provided no further explanation. He was
33:21taken into [music] state custody to
33:22begin serving his sentence. The case,
33:25once stalled for more than 20 years,
33:27reached its legal conclusion [music]
33:28through a combination of preserved
33:30evidence, advancing forensic science,
33:32and the persistence [music] of
33:33investigators who refused to let it
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