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0:00Hello podmates. I'm How Severino and
0:02welcome to our new podcast series. Mga
0:04kwento ng kasaysayan na may koneksyon pa
0:07rin sa kasalukuyan. Enjoy
0:11listening. Ang masasabing pinakaunang
0:13halalan sa kasaysayan ng bansa ay may
0:16layuning magbuklot sa nagkawatak-watak
0:19na
0:20katipunan. Ngunit lalo pa ito nagresulta
0:23sa alitan dahil sa pang-iinsulto at
0:25issyue ng pandaraya. At noon pa man
0:28meron na raw pagkalat ng fake news ayon
0:31kay Professor Shachua. Welcome to part
0:34two of our episode on the Teheros
0:36Convention. Ang pinakaunang halalan sa
0:39kasaysayan ng
0:40[Musika]
0:46bansa. Balikan ko lang yung yung butohan
0:49no. I'm just curious about this and
0:51maybe others might be interested kasi
0:53sinabi mo nga na ang karamihan ng mga
0:56nandoon ay ah kasama sa magdiwang
0:59faction na right up to that time ay
1:02kaalyado ni Bonifacio supposedly o
1:05supposedly kaya kaya may confident si
1:08Bonifacio na na magtawag ng eleksyon
1:11dahil nga in fact he got a commitment
1:13from everyone na na igalang yung resulta
1:16' ba so ah I'm Sure, nagulat siya na
1:22pati yung mga supposed na kaalyado niya
1:24ay hindi siya binoto, no? So, I'm
1:28wondering ano ba yung ano ba yung
1:29explanation diyan? Was there a loss of
1:33confidence? Kasi after all ah ' ba siya
1:36yung supremo ' ba hinahangaan siya ng
1:39marami. He was considered the founding
1:41father of the katipunan and all of a
1:43sudden hindi siya binoto. O yung
1:45nangyari.
1:47Ah ako napaisip ako kasi the the the
1:51story the the narratives are in my mind
1:54no so parang ngayon parang nagkakaroon
1:55ako ng instant reckoning about your
1:58questions. Very good questions no? Bakit
2:01nawalan ng tiwala yung maraming mga
2:04leader sa Cavite kay
2:07Bonifacio? Ako confluence of uh two
2:10things. Number one, I would like to
2:13because we have a we have a
2:14documentation I would like to believe na
2:16iyung iyung sinasabi ni Telesporo Koo na
2:21Capiteno no sa kanyang diary na pagpatay
2:24ni Bonifacio sa mga pile really irted a
2:30lot of them kasi these are even if they
2:32were Spaniards they were still men of
2:34God no? Now the other the other thing is
2:38fake news. Okay. So noon pa man actually
2:41' ba ang eleksyon fake news noon pa man
2:44may fake news na. So ano iyung fake
2:46news? Number one that Bonifacio, the
2:49meaning of haring bayan is not hari ang
2:52bayan but siya yung
2:54hari. So basically ah ang nangyari kasi
2:58diyan nagkaroon ng sigawan nung dumating
3:00siya. Eh actually nakakatawa yan kasi
3:02yung Daniel Terona yun ang sigaw ng
3:04sigaw nung una.
3:07Sabi niya, "Mabuhay ang hari ng bayan."
3:09Mabuhay ang hari ng bayan. And then
3:12Bonifacio shouted, "Mabuhay ang haring
3:14bayan." Nobody understood. So ano yung
3:17sinasabi ni Bonifacio? Kino-correct niya
3:20si Daniel Tirona sa pagsasabi, "Mabuhay
3:23ang haring bayan." Yung bayan ang hari.
3:27Pero nobody understood that. Ang feeling
3:30ko, feeling ko lang ito ha. Ako again, I
3:32am speculating as a historian.
3:35Nagi-implant na si Daniel Terona ng
3:38false interpretation ng kung ano ang
3:41haring bayan by saying that is
3:42Bonifacio. And even Aguinaldo up to his
3:45old days insist that Haring Bayan was
3:48Bonifacio was king which is ridiculous.
3:51Okay? Ridiculous because Bonifacio the
3:54new reason why Bonifacio was dead was
3:57because he believed in democracy. He was
3:59a total Italian. He would have insisted,
4:01"We will not have an election today."
4:02Mga loko kayo. But he did not. I think
4:06yun nga iyung yun nga iyung ano ko eh.
4:08He was always believing that there
4:10should be a consensus. Yun yung yun
4:12iyung fault niya at to a fault shall we
4:15say that he wanted consensus. So ano pa
4:19yung fake news? The other fake news was
4:21nung nasa naik siya. Ito later na yata
4:23to after the Teheros Convention. Nung
4:25nasa Naik siya dinala daw siya. Binuat
4:28daw. May kwento na binuhat daw siya ng
4:30mga tao sa isang tono ah na kahoy dalhin
4:36sa simbahan hanggang doun sa eskwelahan
4:37which is a short distance by the way
4:40pero parang ang implication ay para
4:42siyang hari.
4:43Now, lumabas kwentong yan ah. Pero we
4:47have to we I really doubt if that was
4:51Bonifacio. Narinig ko lang to na um
4:55naglagay sila ng ibang tao toos tinawag
4:58nilang Bonifaso. And who would have
5:00known? They they just called him that.
5:02Ano? So may mga ganon na fake news at
5:05yung fake yung pang isang fake news ay
5:07lahat ng labanan niya ay natalo. Now
5:09again I will I will say that he had
5:12difficulty with the Spanish forces in in
5:14Manila and Rizal but definitely may mga
5:17pinanalo naman siyang laban and as the
5:19strategies of the revolution all the
5:21other victories of his commanders in
5:24other areas should be attributed to him
5:25like the victory in Antipolo. Eventually
5:28there was a battle there. Yun yung mga
5:31angas-angasan na eh walang pinag-aralan
5:33yan. Yan mga sina yang mga 'yung mga tao
5:36na katulad ni Daniel Terona 'yan ang
5:39kanilang narrative eh na bobo siya na
5:42wala siyang pinag-aralan yan and the
5:44other fake news is
5:46this na siya na yung kapatid niya ay
5:50kalaguyo ng
5:52pile at ang balak kapatid ni kapatid ni
5:54Bonifacio yes si Procopio. Pwede si ano
5:59yung mga babae yung mga babae. So ang
6:02mangyayari doon kino-connect na dahil
6:05kalaguyo ng Prile yung kapatid ni
6:08Bonifacio. Ang fake news ay isusuko ni
6:13Andres Bonifacio ang rebolusyon sa mga
6:15kastila. Ibig sabihin Bonipo will
6:19negotiate to the
6:21Spaniards at which of course Bonipo or
6:25Aguinaldo will also do in Biyak na bato
6:27eventually. Pero 'yun 'yung unang fake
6:29news. The other fake news is this. Tapos
6:32na 'yung Teros
6:34Convention, Bonifacio went to Indang and
6:37yung ah balita doon ay susunugin niya
6:41yung bayan dahil ayaw nilang magbigay ng
6:43pagkain. Actually that is the final
6:46straw that made Aguinaldo arrest
6:48Bonifaso na para nga susunugin pala niya
6:50yung indang. There was a report like
6:52that na ako when I was looking at the
6:55letters of Andres Bonifacio to Emilio
6:57Asinto parang feeling ko feeling ko lang
6:59again I am speculating as a historian
7:01was fake news. That's actually an
7:03extenuating circumstance that favors
7:06Aguinaldo. Kasi nga kumbaga ang sinasabi
7:09mo, not only did Bonifacio reject the
7:13leadership of Aguinaldo, ah parang
7:15nanggugulo pa siya in the sense ung yung
7:18ano Oo. I mean I mean kung kung if
7:22you're threatening to burn down a
7:24community that does not give you food at
7:27nasa Cavite pa yung community kumbaga
7:29Bailey Week ni Aguinaldo yan eh no.
7:32Parang ano yan uh that's a major uh
7:36that's a hostile action no? Yeah. That's
7:39not helping the revolution. Exactly. If
7:43if it was true ha if it was true. Ayon
7:45naman kay history professor Victores,
7:48isa pa sa ugat ng alitan ng Supremo at
7:50ni Aguinaldo ay ang pagkamatay ng
7:52kapatid ni Aguinaldo na si Chrispolo.
7:55Kinarang daw ng mga kaalyado ni
7:57Bonifacio ang mga tauhang tutulong sana
7:59sa labanan. Why did he block the
8:02reinforcements for Aguinaldo's brother
8:04at that crucial battle? It's hard to
8:06tell but I think um Balifas still wanted
8:10to consolidate whatever power that he
8:12had. Obviously talo na siya eh. You know
8:15the Cavitan already. Yeah. But that
8:17would that would that would have led to
8:19the defeat of the the force that he
8:22wanted to unite with him. I think he
8:24didn't know that at first. That is just
8:26a presumption. No he told ah kasi this
8:28force that was going to Pasong Santol
8:31was not directly under him. Yeah. So
8:34baka maybe it was an assertion of
8:36authority. Yeah. It's just speculation.
8:39But you know how do we know this that he
8:41blocked the reinforcement? I saw it in
8:43one of the accounts of uh at that time
8:45that he blocked the ano he blocked the
8:47reinforcements.
8:49How now how good would that
8:50reinforcement would be? It's hard to
8:53tell because almost at that same hour
8:55that he was blocking it accordingly.
8:57The spiders already attacked so might
9:00not have made any difference. Yeah. But
9:02then again, you know, kapatid niya
9:05namatay. Yeah. Exactly. So in other
9:06words, itong itong ugat ng alitan nila
9:09Aguinaldo at
9:10Bonifacio, may talagang personal na
9:13angulo at first. Y and then what
9:16happened? So gusto niyang umuwi ng
9:18Manila where supposedly he's going to
9:21like reorganize, reconstitute the
9:24Katipunan Army. But Ginaldo already
9:27issued the order to arrest. Uh So where
9:29was he arrested? Ah in Limbon, Barangay
9:32Limbon. Cavite pa rin to. Cavite pa rin.
9:351897 ang dating supremo pinaaresto ni
9:38Aguinaldo dito na nagsimula ang
9:40pagwawakas ng katipunan. Can we say that
9:43the Katipunan ended in Taheros? In
9:46Taheros? Yes. Because they decided,
9:48"Okay, wala ng katipunan. We just have
9:50kasi the katipunan was divided." Ah
9:51yeah. So let's unify it under this new
9:54concept. Well to clarify the Katipulan
9:57was in Cavite was divided. But the
9:59agreement with the supremo that if a
10:01government is going to be put up, the
10:03Katipulan will be
10:05dissolved. M which happened to the
10:08understanding of the people of Cavite of
10:10course delegates from Batangas. Okay.
10:11Tapos na ang katipunan. Okay. So he was
10:14arrested in Barangay Limbon and then uh
10:18what was the timetable after that until
10:21his execution or killing? The problem
10:23that they had with the with the uh trial
10:25of Polifasho was that he was transferred
10:27from town to town because uh imagine
10:29having a trial in the middle of the
10:31Spanish onslot.
10:34No. Bas records the last uh actions of
10:38the trial happen in Maragundon. The
10:40trial house is still there. Ang nasa
10:42tabi ni Bonifacio sa kanyang paglilitis
10:45ay ang kanyang kapatid na si Procopio at
10:47ang kanyang asawa na si Gregoria de
10:49Jesus.
10:51She was just a companion. She was
10:53accompanying them. Uh Bifasha was
10:55seriously wounded of course he was shot
10:57in the shoulder and he had a stab wood
11:00in the neck. Okay? Because when he was
11:03being arrested lumaban siya daw. But
11:07according to the accounts of ano, hindi
11:09daw uh he was shot and was hit no uh but
11:12when he fell out to the ground according
11:15to many of the accounts the second the
11:17second that happened was Ignacio pacal
11:22pa uh got his dagger then start
11:25bonifasure in the net while he was lying
11:27down on the ground intending to kill
11:29him. The description pa nga daw was
11:31pumasok daw yung balaraw dito sa gilid.
11:34Lumabas daw sa likod. That would have
11:37killed him. Yeah. T nakahigasan. So
11:40tumusok pa yung dagger talaga sa lupa. M
11:43Oh my. No talagang may galit. Mm. No si
11:46ano si uh the what there was an attempt
11:49da to rape. Uh I wanted to ask you about
11:52that. So kasama si Gregorio de Hesus
11:56Bonifacio's wife and witnessed a lot of
11:59this. Yeah. And was was she
12:03raped? Si Gregoria de Hesus na mas
12:06kilala rin sa palayaw na Oriak ay 18
12:09taong gulang na makilala ang 27 na taong
12:12gulang na si Bonifacio. ang kanilang
12:15pagmamahala saksi sa mahalagang yugto ng
12:18rebolusyon mula sa pagkatatag ng La Liga
12:21Filipina at pagbuo ng katipunan hanggang
12:24sa trahedyang tumapo sa buhay ng
12:27Supremo. Maging si Oriang hindi raw
12:30nakaligtas sa kalupitan.
12:32That is a big question always that
12:34happened. There were many assumptions
12:35that assumptions that she was right.
12:38Pero inawat daw si May witness ba? May
12:41account? Yeah. Iwat
12:45si Agapito
12:47Bonsol who attempted to rape her. But
12:51Bolifacio daw asked request of the
12:53soldiersag daw anuhin everything. He was
12:56pleading with them. So hindi daw
12:57nira-rape but throughout her entire
13:00life, she never mentioned it. So where
13:02did that rumor come from? Assumptions.
13:06Assumption lang. Yeah. Kasi talaga bang
13:09pinigil si Bonsoon? Did he continue with
13:10it? Kasi he attempted it twice. How do
13:13we know that he attempted it? There was
13:16ano sa Yeah. There was first time he
13:19attempted to raper. Pinigle siya t's
13:20there was a second time pa daw they
13:22attempted to raper. So the assumption
13:24was baka the second time or the first
13:26time he succeeded na. But throughout her
13:28entire life she never talked about it.
13:30In fact uh Gregora de Hesus when she
13:33married again she married Hulinakpil.
13:36Mm. M no uh never talked about Bonifacio
13:40again to her entire
13:42life. Sa dulang lakambini na isinulat ni
13:45Alan Palilo, tinalakay ang konsepto ng
13:48what if. What if nagkaroon ng
13:51komprontasyon si Oriang at si Aguinaldo?
13:53Ano kaya ang sasabihin nila sa isa't
13:56isa? Kasama natin ang professor ng
13:58teatro na si Nick Jongson para
14:00pag-usapan
14:02nito. Kasi maganda yung situation eh.
14:05Actually, nagkita talaga sila uh sa
14:07Malolos nung inaugurasyon nung isang uh
14:10monumento doon. Actually ang inibita ay
14:14si Gregoria de Hesus pero somehow
14:17Aguinaldo invited himself. But before
14:20you continue Nick no I just want to
14:21inform our listeners this is all imagine
14:23no this is not talaga it's imagine. Pero
14:27may actual
14:29historical ah occasion yun ha. Totoong
14:32nangyari yung okasyon na yon. ang
14:34in-imagine niya yung uh confrontation
14:37between Gregoria and Aguinaldo no so yun
14:42yung ano niya so ang I suppose ang gusto
14:45niyang palabasin is after all this year
14:48kailangan maibuhos ni Gregorio de Hesus
14:51yung galit niya kay Aguinaldo sa
14:54ginawang pagpatay kay Andres at saka
14:56yung dalawang kapatid pa ni Andres no na
15:00hindi na-resolve dahil ah as we all No
15:04ah 'yung court marshal na ginawa, yung
15:07court trial nila Bonifacio was really
15:10rigged, no? Binayaran nila yung isang
15:13witness para sabihin na nag nag merong
15:16ginagawang mga meeting si Bonifacio para
15:19sirain yung bagong gobyerno ni
15:22Aguinaldo. After that ah pinatay na yung
15:25magkapatid at saka hindi na nagkita uli
15:28si Bonifacio at saka si Gregorio de
15:30Hesus. In fact, sila Gregorio de Jesus,
15:33sila Julio Nakpel, si Asinto nagtago ng
15:36lahat kasi um pinahahanap sila ni
15:40Aguinaldo supposedly no sabi ni Hulp
15:43nakausap niya yung tao na pinadala ni
15:47Aguinaldo ah actually para patayin siya
15:50kasi natatakot si Aguinalno na baka ah
15:53balikan siya nung mga tauhan ni
15:55Bonifacio dahil dun sa ginawa niyang
15:57pagpatay. Pero doun sa confrontation na
15:59yon, ang pinapalabas lang yung full to
16:02the vista ni Gregorio de Hesus. Actually
16:05ninarrate lahat ni ah Gregorio de Jesus
16:08yon ano yung pag-aresto sa kanila ah pag
16:11saksak kay Andres Bonifacio yung court
16:15trial at saka at saka yung pagkakapatay.
16:19Gusto lamang niyangin si Aguinaldo to
16:23confess to his sins. Kaya ang ending
16:25niyan is pinaluluhod niya para i-admit
16:28niya yung kanyang kasalanan. at
16:30ni-reveal niya na yung sinasabi niya na
16:34si Agapito Bonson yung pinadala ni
16:37Aguinaldo para hulihin si Bonifacio ay
16:40ah sinamantala siya ano parang ah
16:44nagkaroon ng rap although hindi malinaw
16:47talaga yun sa mga kasaysayan kung
16:49talagang nangyari yung rape na yon kasi
16:51dun sa isang account twice na
16:53nag-attempt si Bonson pero ah parang
16:56na-foil na naman siya una nung kanyang
17:00mga tauhan at yung pangalawa si Thomas
17:02Mascardo. But anyway, I suppose for
17:04purposes of uh the drama, the author
17:07took this side na nangyari yyung rape.
17:11Anyway, so yun ang the play is just that
17:14he wants to imagine the confrontation
17:17between Gregoria de Jesus and Aguinaldo
17:20na gustong ipamukha ni Gregoria yung
17:24ginawa ni Aguinaldo sa kanilang
17:26mag-asawa. Pero syempre maganda 'yung
17:28ending kasi nand 'yung kneeler 'di ba?
17:31So he leans, Aguinado leans over the
17:34kneeler but you don't know if he kneels
17:36or not. Actually in history he never
17:39naelt. So yung tema nga ng
17:43accountability no kasi parang ah
17:46sinasabi niyo nga na unresolve yung
17:50healing ni Andres Bonifa and yung yung
17:53yung kapatid niya no dalawa silang ah
17:56ine-execute. Ah may nagsasabi nga it was
17:59an assassination etca no. Uh so yung
18:03theme na yon na yung accountability for
18:07an unresolved political killing of
18:10course that resonates to modern
18:12audiences no without having to mention
18:15any more recent uh incidents no maaring
18:21isang pangarap or even pantasya yun no
18:25na magkaroon ng ganong
18:27confrontation na may aamin or ay hihingi
18:32ng tawad or ah magkaroon ng pagkakataon
18:35yung biktima o yung survivors ng mga
18:38pinatay na i-confront kaya tinawag na
18:42konfrontasyon itong series of plays na
18:44napanood natin sa PETA no. So, M ah I
18:47guess yun ang yun ang ano yung yung
18:49dating sa maraming ah nasa audience no
18:51itong theme of
18:53accountability ah and in a way dahil nga
18:57um naganap nga sa stage yung ganong
19:00confrontation there there was a
19:02catharctic effect no even if no matter
19:04how you felt about Aguinaldo and
19:06Bonifasure if you just think about uh
19:08recent events in the Philippines parang
19:11'di ba parang pangarap ng maraming
19:13Pilipino eh no na magkaroon
19:15accountability. Oo. Well, that's that's
19:18been a major problem of ours ano from
19:20from the very start. Ah pero ang isang
19:24gusto koang banggitin actually if you're
19:26looking for parallels maganda yung
19:28Teheros Convention at saka yung nangyari
19:30sa Teheros Convention kasi para talagang
19:33ano eh ah eleksyon today eh. Ang Tahos
19:37Convention na masasabing pinakaunang
19:39halalan sa kasaysayan ng bansa tila
19:42hindi naging magandang simula at
19:44halimbawa ayon kay Professor Jongson.
19:48This first election marred by fraud.
19:51Sabi niyo nga there's various sources
19:53that that point to fraud. Uh did it did
19:57it create this wrong template for for
20:01our elections and and how do we how do
20:04we change that template? Oo. Yung siguro
20:09ang problema kasi doon is ah mas malalim
20:13kaya doun eh. Parang kwan lang siya eh.
20:15Parang symptom lang yan of a larger
20:18problem or a bigger problem no? Which is
20:20actually that unang-una ang electorate
20:23mo ah hindi naman
20:26talaga ah politicized or mature ano ah
20:31and why is that? Because uh for
20:34centuries uh talagang the masses have
20:37been
20:38uh left uneducated uh ignorant in many
20:42ways and that has worked to the benefit
20:45of the people in power kasi sila lang
20:48'yung may edukasyon at uh dahil may
20:50edukasyon sila may advantage na kaagad
20:52sila sa karong taong bayan ah with
20:55regards to the law, with regards to
20:58acquisition of property 'di ba and of
21:00course acquisition of power kasi
21:02magkakasama yun eh ah yung mga head
21:05natin yun din yung mayayaman at ah sino
21:08yung mga nasa ilalim eh yung mga ah tao
21:11nila nasunod-sunuran lang. So yung ah
21:15yung edukasyon kasi napaka-central sa
21:18isang democracy. From the very start,
21:20nageleksyon tayo ah panahon ng Castila.
21:24Ah sino ang nai-elect? Lahat mayayaman
21:27kasi ang mayayaman lamang ang pwedeng
21:29tumakbo bilang kapitan kapitan o
21:33gobernadoro. kasi sila yung may pera
21:36para magbayad nung mga ah kulang sa
21:40taxes na gusto ng prile, right? So in
21:44other words, uh you needed to to be rich
21:47to be to uh to run, right? Uh at saka
21:50hindi lang iyun iyung you have to be
21:52near the powers that be. So kung hindi
21:55ka gusto ng pride kahit mayaman ka hindi
21:57ka ma mapipili. Kaya ang daming gulo
21:59noon sa panahon ng reporma because of
22:01that no. Nung dumating ang mga Amerikano
22:04nagkaroon ng token na elections. Okay?
22:07Sino nakaboto? May requirement only
22:10people who are
22:12propertied. Only people who have so many
22:15who own property, lands and so on can
22:18vote. So again, this franchise naman
22:22yung karaniwang tao eh. Yung karaniwang
22:24tao ang ayaw sa Amerikano eh.
22:27Kaya nila kaya ganun yung structure kasi
22:30alam nila yung mga mayayaman madaling
22:32makuha. Ah you know mag-promise ka lang
22:35ng posisyon diyan. Bigyan mo ng fryer
22:38lance nasao na yan eh. Nasa bulsa mo na
22:40yan eh. Pero yung karaniwang tao yun ang
22:42mga tapat sa rebolusyon. So alam nila na
22:45malakas pa yung yung ah feeling na yon
22:48ng nationalism.
22:49Ah so the first
22:51elections kunyari elections ano kasi
22:54syempre America sila dapat
22:57constitutional democratic ganon so
23:00tumawag na eleksyon pero ang pwedeng
23:03bumoto lamang ay yung mga may property
23:06syempre sino magboboto e sila sila rin '
23:09ba so itong ah whole uh rule of the
23:14elite na ito political and economic was
23:17perfected under our own leaders Quezon
23:21among them Quezon was really very very
23:24astute politically ah at diyan na
23:26nagsimula lahat nitong ba all the
23:30trading between politicians 'di ba ah
23:34ang daming yung mga tumatakbo alam mo na
23:37may mga ibang dahilan sila ah para
23:39tumakbo ah in general the people who uh
23:43were elected to the national assembly
23:45were property owners because they were
23:49the ones who could afford to go to
23:51school. Tingnan mo ang ang kung saan
23:54nagwo-work more or less yung democratic
23:56process sa mga countries na malakas ang
23:59middle classes kasi yung middle classes
24:02are educated, right? So kahit na meron
24:06kang elite kung majority ang middle
24:09classes ah mas may may hope ang
24:12democracy na mag-survive ano. Ah so ang
24:16nakita nakita natin sa election is I
24:20think precisely that I think very
24:21significant iyung detail na hakot
24:25eh. Syempre itg mga leaders ng magdiwang
24:30alam naman natin yun ang leaders ng mga
24:32heneral noon mga ano din yan karamihan
24:35diyan ay mga ah governor sililyo mga
24:39mayayaman din. So may mga lupa sila at
24:41may mga tenants sila. So hinakot ang mga
24:44tenants para bumoto para sa kanya.
24:48So in other words ah yung nangyayari sa
24:51atin na forever na lang na you know
24:55dayaan bayaran etc is uh rooted in that
25:00whole equal structure in our society
25:02where where the rich talaga have lorded
25:05it over everybody else uh with their
25:09money and then with their money they get
25:11education um therefore they become the
25:14elite and they are elected to positions
25:16and While in they're in position, they
25:19make sure that their economic interests
25:21are protected so they become even
25:22richer. Mapansin natin, alam mo
25:25edukasyon hindi naman binigyan talaga ng
25:27importansya yan eh. Ang laki ng budget
25:30ng education pero walang tunay na
25:32education. Kasi alam ng elite na real
25:35education which makes people critical is
25:38a threat to
25:40them. Mahigit isang siklo na ang
25:42lumipas. Hanggang ngayon hati pa rin ang
25:44opinyon tungkol kina Aguinaldo at
25:47Bonifacio. Posible kayang naging mas
25:49matugumpay ang katipunan kung naresol ba
25:52ang hidwaan sa pagitan ng dalawang
25:54paksyon nito. sa pananaw ni Xochu,
25:58if the forces of Aguinaldo and Bonifacio
26:00were able to, you know, sortir
26:03differences to have one unified
26:06katipunan in
26:08Cavite, they could have uh resisted for
26:12quite some time uh until of course they
26:16were able to negotiate with another
26:18power which is the Americans. No, I do
26:20not know but
26:22uh there could have been a yung victory
26:25sana natin as a revolution yung nangyari
26:28nung Independence nung 1898 would have
26:30been more poignant in the sense that the
26:33forces actually were able to sort their
26:35differences out. Of course as as many
26:39elections happenity ba nung una
26:42Bonipacio Aguinaldo you are together ba
26:45you put the revolution together and then
26:47of course eventually mag-aaway din kayo
26:50which is what happened in our Teheros
26:53convention it happened among the
26:55gorillas during the war you know this
26:57very well they were fighting with each
26:58other after battling together you fight
27:01with each other this also happened
27:03during the People Power Revolution 'di
27:05ba uh forces to went together the left
27:08and the right they disintegrated and
27:11same with what happened with Bongbong
27:13Marcos and Sarah Duterte. So uh it's
27:16it's a repeating uh it's a repeating
27:19pattern which I think we have to escape
27:21if we're going to learn from
27:23history. Para naman kay Dr. Nick Jongson
27:27malalim ang problema natin sa kakulangan
27:29ng edukasyon pagdating sa eleksyon.
27:32Hindi na tinatanong kung ano ba yung
27:33tama at at mali. Ang tinatanong na lang
27:37eh sino ba yung mas malakas 'di ba? So
27:39doon ka na lang
27:40kumapit. Ah and ah makikita mo na siguro
27:45talagang ang edukasyon natin talaga has
27:48not improved at all. Kasi sa dami nung
27:52mga nagsu-support pa rin doun sa mga tao
27:54na ganon ' ba ano 'yun eh ah edukasyon
27:58talaga 'yun eh. Hindi sila marunong
28:01mag-isip ng critical. So hindi
28:03principles yung ano mga middle class
28:07yung ganun eh yung mga nag-aral pero
28:09yung karaniwang tao hindi ganon mag-isip
28:11eh. Ah unfortunately you know uh more
28:14than a century later I mean nagkaroon na
28:16tayo ng public school system. Ang dami
28:18naman edukadong Pilipino ' ba. I mean
28:20dami na nating ang dami ng Pilipino
28:22nakapag-aral pero m I guess uh the
28:26question is how long can we wait?
28:28Kailangan ba mataas ang pinag-aralan ng
28:31Pilipino? Ah ang dami na nating pinag
28:33ano ang dami na sa atin ang nakapag-aral
28:35na ' ba. And ah it's not just people
28:38like you na may PhD. I mean ang
28:40dami-dami nating universities and
28:41colleges no. It's not as if na-neglect
28:44talaga 'yung edukasyon ano. So siguro
28:46yan ah that's a very good question ' ba
28:50sa dami nag-aral ba't ganyan pa rin eh
28:52kasi yun ding system ng education natin
28:55is wrote it's not ano it's not uh meant
28:58to make you think 'di ba it cramps you
29:01with data uh gives you skills but uh
29:05dissuades your mind from thinking uh
29:10independently ano tayo eh parang
29:12vocational yung mga schools natin hindi
29:15tayo ay tinuturuan na mag-isip. I guess
29:17iyun ang isang problema kahit na
29:19magkaroon ka ng edukasyon na siguro this
29:21applies to America also ' ba nangyayari
29:24sa America ngayon ' ba. Yeah Doc, I I
29:27want I just want to end by going back to
29:29the play no ah kasi ah it was it was
29:32about accountability no. Sabi niya na
29:35nagtapos yung ah play yung Laambini na
29:38hindi mo alam kung luluhod o hindi si
29:40Aguinaldo no pero you could easily
29:44interpret that as luluhod siya no and
29:48ask for forgiveness and in a way uh
29:51there would be some kind of closure uh
29:54on the part of Gregoria de Hesus for
29:56everything that I mean what else could
29:57she ask for ba I mean uh no um I think I
30:02don't think Gregor dehesus would have
30:04expected closure from Aguinaldo kasi
30:07right after iyung nangyari ng lahat yyan
30:10right sa si Aguinaldo sumuko 'di ba
30:13tapos naging maka-amerikano siya ah and
30:17then he spent the rest of his life
30:19trying to recover uh his
30:24name. Nung panahon ng hapon, nakapag ah
30:28collaborate siya sa hapon ah sinuka din
30:31siya ng taong bayan. So in other words,
30:34maaring hindi namatay siya noong panahon
30:36na yon pero ilang kamatayan yung kanyang
30:39ah nadanas dahil sa kawalan niya ng
30:43paninindigan sa tama at sa totoo. May
30:46mga nagsasabi nga na he lived too long.
30:49Oo. He lived too long. Oo. Maraming
30:51maraming salamat ah and thank you for
30:54sharing uh the depths of your knowledge
30:57of history and culture. Ah sana bumuti
31:01yung ating kalagayan dito sa ating bansa
31:03ngayon learning from all of this.
31:07Maraming salamat din. Yeah. Thank you
31:09Nick. Thank you. This episode was
31:11produced by the team of Yumar Yanga and
31:13Obri de Los Reyz supervised by Criselda
31:16Karingal, Arla Fabella and Bern Cebucao.
31:19Our camera cruise are from the teams of
31:21JZ Fisto and JB Del Rosario. This was
31:25edited by Jr. Magtoto and hosted by me,
31:29Severino. Thank you podmates for
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