Ted Bundy Final Interview/Execution — Transcript

Full transcript

1. 0:01that makes it right
2. 0:03tedded is uh about 2 30 in the afternoon
3. 0:07you are scheduled to be executed
4. 0:09tomorrow morning at seven o'clock if you
5. 0:11don't receive another stay
6. 0:13what is going through your mind what
7. 0:16thoughts have you had in these last few
8. 0:19days
9. 0:21well I won't get you to say that it's
10. 0:24something that I
11. 0:26feel that I am in control of or
12. 0:28something that I've come to terms with
13. 0:29because I haven't
14. 0:31it's a moment by moment thing sometimes
15. 0:35I feel very tranquil and other times I
16. 0:37don't feel tranquil at all
17. 0:41what's going through my mind right now
18. 0:43is to use
19. 0:44the minutes and hours that I have left
20. 0:46as fruitfully as possible and
21. 0:50see what happens it helped
22. 0:53it helped to live in the moment in the
23. 0:54in the essence that we use it
24. 0:56productively so I'm right now I'm
25. 0:58feeling calm and in
26. 1:00large part because I'm here with you
27. 1:03for the record you are guilty of killing
28. 1:08many women and girls
29. 1:11yes yes that's true Ted how did it
30. 1:14happen
31. 1:15take me back what are the antecedents of
32. 1:19the behavior that we've seen
33. 1:22so much grief so much sorrow so much
34. 1:25pain for so many people
35. 1:28where did it start how did this moment
36. 1:30come about
37. 1:33that's the
38. 1:35question of the hour and one that
39. 1:38not only
40. 1:40people much more intelligent than I have
41. 1:42been working on for
42. 1:45for years but one that I've been working
43. 1:46on for years and trying to understand
44. 1:49it
45. 1:50is there enough time to explain it all I
46. 1:54don't know I think I understand it
47. 1:55though understand what happened to me
48. 1:59to the extent that I I can see how
49. 2:04certain feelings and ideas developed in
50. 2:06me to the point where I began to act out
51. 2:08on them certain very violent and very
52. 2:10destructive feeling let's go back then
53. 2:13to those roots first of all you as I
54. 2:15understand it were raised in what you
55. 2:17consider to have been a healthy home
56. 2:20absolutely you were not physically
57. 2:22abused you were not sexually abused you
58. 2:24are not emotionally abused no no way I
59. 2:27and that's part of the tragedy of this
60. 2:29little situation is because
61. 2:32I grew up in a wonderful home with two
62. 2:36dedicated and loving parents one of
63. 2:39five brothers and sisters
64. 2:42the home where we as our as children
65. 2:44were the focus of my parents lives where
66. 2:47we regularly attended church to
67. 2:49Christian parents who did not drink they
68. 2:52did not smoke there was no gambling
69. 2:54there was no physical abuse or fighting
70. 2:56in the home I'm not saying this was
71. 2:59leave at the beaver it wasn't a perfect
72. 3:01well no I don't know that such a home
73. 3:03exists but it was a fine solid Christian
74. 3:06home and nobody uh
75. 3:09I hope no one will try to take the easy
76. 3:11way out and to try to blame or otherwise
77. 3:15accuse my my family of contributing to
78. 3:18this because I know and I'm trying to
79. 3:20tell you as honestly as I know how what
80. 3:22happened and I think this is a message
81. 3:24I'm going to get across but as a young a
82. 3:27young boy and I mean the boy of 12 13
83. 3:31certainly
84. 3:33that I encountered outside the home
85. 3:35again
86. 3:37in
87. 3:39the local grocery store or the local
88. 3:43drug store the softcore pornography what
89. 3:46people call softcore
90. 3:48but as I think I I explained to you last
91. 3:51night Dr Dobson and an anecdote as young
92. 3:53boys do we explored the
93. 3:56the back roads and sideways and byways
94. 3:59of our neighborhood and oftentimes
95. 4:01people would dump
96. 4:04the garbage and whatever they're
97. 4:05cleaning out of their house and from
98. 4:07time to time we come across so
99. 4:08pornographic books of a harder nature
100. 4:11than more of a graphic you might say a
101. 4:14more explicit nature than we would
102. 4:15encounter let's say in your local
103. 4:17grocery store and this also included
104. 4:19such things as let's say detective
105. 4:21magazines and uh those that involve
106. 4:24violence yes yes and I I and this is
107. 4:27something I think that I want to
108. 4:28emphasize is the
109. 4:31the most damaging
110. 4:35kinds of pornography and my again I'm
111. 4:37talking from personal experience
112. 4:40hard real personal experience most
113. 4:42damaging kinds of pornography are those
114. 4:44that involve violence sexual violence
115. 4:47because the wedding of those two forces
116. 4:49as I know only too well brings about
117. 4:52behavior that it's just
118. 4:57terrible to describe now walk me through
119. 4:59that what was going on in your mind at
120. 5:01that time okay before we go any further
121. 5:03I think it's important to me and
122. 5:06and the people the people believe what
123. 5:09I'm saying to tell you that that I'm not
124. 5:12blaming
125. 5:13pornography and not saying that it
126. 5:16caused me to go out and do certain
127. 5:18things and I take full responsibility
128. 5:20for whatever I've done and all the
129. 5:22things that I've done that's not the
130. 5:23question here
131. 5:25the question and and the issue is how
132. 5:28this kind of literature contributed and
133. 5:31helped mold and and shape the kinds of
134. 5:34violent Behavior it fueled your fantasy
135. 5:36stuff well in in the beginning it fuels
136. 5:39this kind of
137. 5:40thought process then at a certain time
138. 5:44it's instrumental in what it would say
139. 5:46crystallizing it making it making into
140. 5:48something which is almost in like a
141. 5:50separate entity inside
142. 5:53and that in that point you're at The
143. 5:55Verge or I was at the verge of acting
144. 5:56out on this on this kind of these kinds
145. 5:59of things now I really want to
146. 6:00understand that you had gone about as
147. 6:02far as you could go in your own Fantasy
148. 6:05Life with printed material and you made
149. 6:09or printed in video or filmed film
150. 6:12magazines what happened and then there
151. 6:16was the urge to take that little step or
152. 6:19big step over to a physical event and it
153. 6:23happens it happened in stages gradually
154. 6:26it doesn't necessarily not to me at
155. 6:28least happen overnight my experience
156. 6:31with I'd say pornography generally but
157. 6:34with pornography that deals on a violent
158. 6:37level with the sexuality
159. 6:39is it
160. 6:42once you become addicted to it and I
161. 6:44look at this as a kind of addiction
162. 6:46like other kinds of addiction of
163. 6:48addiction you keep I would keep looking
164. 6:50for
165. 6:51more potent more explicit more graphical
166. 6:54signs of material like an addiction you
167. 6:57keep craving something which is harder
168. 6:59harder something which which
169. 7:01gives you a greater sense of excitement
170. 7:06until you reach the point where the
171. 7:08pornography only goes so far you reach
172. 7:12that jumping off point where you begin
173. 7:15to wonder if if maybe actually doing it
174. 7:18will give you
175. 7:20that which is beyond just reading about
176. 7:22it or looking at it how long did you
177. 7:24stay at that point before you actually
178. 7:26assaulted someone well yeah you see
179. 7:31that is a very delicate point
180. 7:34in my own development and we're talking
181. 7:36about something we're talking about
182. 7:38having reached the point or a gray area
183. 7:40that surrounded that point over a course
184. 7:42you don't remember years I would say
185. 7:46I would say a couple years and what was
186. 7:49I was dealing with there were very
187. 7:51strong inhibitions against
188. 7:54criminal Behavior or violent behavior
189. 7:56that had been conditioned into me and
190. 7:58bred into me in my environment in my
191. 8:00neighborhood in my church
192. 8:02in my school
193. 8:04things which said no this is wrong I
194. 8:07mean just even to think of it as wrong
195. 8:08but it'll certainly to do it is wrong
196. 8:10and you're on I'm on that edge in these
197. 8:12the last you might say the last vestiges
198. 8:15of restraints
199. 8:18the barriers to actually doing something
200. 8:21were being tested constantly and assault
201. 8:24assailed
202. 8:26um
203. 8:28through the kind of fantasy life that
204. 8:30was fueled
205. 8:32largely
206. 8:34by pornography do you remember what
207. 8:37pushed you over that edge
208. 8:40do you remember the decision to go for
209. 8:42it do you remember where you decided to
210. 8:45throw caution to the wind
211. 8:51again
212. 8:53when you say pushed I don't I know what
213. 8:55you're saying I don't want to refer
214. 8:56again I understand that that I was that
215. 8:59I was some helpless kind of a victim and
216. 9:01yet
217. 9:03uh
218. 9:04we're talking about an influence which
219. 9:06that is the influence of violent types
220. 9:09of media and violent pornography which
221. 9:12hadn't was an indispensable Link in the
222. 9:15chain of behavior of the chain of events
223. 9:18that led to the behaviorist to the to
224. 9:21the assaults to the murders and what and
225. 9:23what have you
226. 9:25yeah
227. 9:27very
228. 9:28difficult thing to describe uh
229. 9:33the
230. 9:35the sensation
231. 9:38the the
232. 9:40of of reaching that point when where I
233. 9:44knew
234. 9:47that it was like something had say
235. 9:50snapped that I knew that uh
236. 9:52that I couldn't control anymore that
237. 9:54these barriers that I had had been I'd
238. 9:57learned as a child that had been
239. 10:00instilled in me were not enough to hold
240. 10:01me back with respect to
241. 10:04seeking out and harming somebody would
242. 10:07it be accurate to call out a a frenzy a
243. 10:10sexual frenzy well yes that's one way to
244. 10:13describe it a compulsion a
245. 10:16a
246. 10:20building up of this destructive energy
247. 10:23again
248. 10:26I another Factor here the way I haven't
249. 10:29mentioned is the use of alcohol but I
250. 10:32what alcohol did
251. 10:34in conjunction with let's say my
252. 10:36exposure to
253. 10:38pornography with alcohol reduce my
254. 10:41inhibitions at the same time
255. 10:44the the the fantasy life that were
256. 10:47fueled by pornography
257. 10:49eroded them further
258. 10:51in the early days you were nearly always
259. 10:53about half drunk when you did these
260. 10:56things is that right yes
261. 10:59was that always true
262. 11:03I I would say that that was
263. 11:06generally the case almost what without
264. 11:08it all right if I can understand it now
265. 11:10there's this battle going on within
266. 11:12there are the conventions that you've
267. 11:14been taught there's the right and wrong
268. 11:15that you learned as a child and then
269. 11:18there is this this unbridled passion
270. 11:21fueled by your plunge into hardcore
271. 11:26violent pornography and those things are
272. 11:28at war with each other yes and then with
273. 11:30the alcohol diminishing the the
274. 11:34inhibitions
275. 11:35you let go well
276. 11:38yes and
277. 11:41to you can summarize it that way and
278. 11:43it's accurate certainly and
279. 11:46it just occurred to me that
280. 11:48some people would would say that well I
281. 11:52I've seen that stuff and it doesn't do
282. 11:54anything to me
283. 11:55and I can understand that I can
284. 11:58virtually everyone
285. 12:00can be exposed to so-called pornography
286. 12:02and while they're aroused to it to one
287. 12:04degree or another and not go out and do
288. 12:06anything wrong the addictions are like
289. 12:07that they affect some people more than
290. 12:09they affect others that there is a
291. 12:11percentage of people affected by
292. 12:13hardcore pornography in a very violent
293. 12:15way and you're obviously one of them
294. 12:17that was a major component and I don't
295. 12:19know why I was wrong vulnerable to it
296. 12:21all I know is that
297. 12:24that it had an impact on me that was
298. 12:28just so
299. 12:32essential to the development of the
300. 12:34violent behavior that I engaged in Ted
301. 12:37after you committed your first murder
302. 12:39what was the emotional effect on you
303. 12:42what happened in the days after that
304. 12:46foreign
305. 12:54please understand
306. 12:56that even
307. 12:58all these years later is very difficult
308. 13:00to talk about it and and relieving it
309. 13:03through talking about it to
310. 13:06difficult to say the least but I want
311. 13:08you to understand what happened it was
312. 13:11like
313. 13:13coming out of some kind of horrible
314. 13:16trance or or dream
315. 13:18um
316. 13:20I can only liken it to after you know I
317. 13:23don't want to over dramatize it but to
318. 13:26have been possessed by something so
319. 13:29awful and so alien and then the next
320. 13:32morning wake up from it remember what
321. 13:34happened and realize that basically I
322. 13:37mean in the eyes of the law certainly in
323. 13:39the eyes of God you're responsible and
324. 13:42to have to wake up in the morning and
325. 13:45and realize what I had done and with a
326. 13:49clear mind and all my Essential
327. 13:52moral and ethical feelings intact at
328. 13:55that moment
329. 13:57uh
330. 13:59absolutely horrified
331. 14:02that I was capable of
332. 14:05doing something like that you really
333. 14:07hadn't known that before
334. 14:10there is just absolutely no way to
335. 14:15describe
336. 14:17first
337. 14:21the brutal
338. 14:22urge to do that kind of thing and then
339. 14:26what happens is once it it has been more
340. 14:29or less satisfied
341. 14:31and recede you might say it was spent
342. 14:34that sense that kind of energy
343. 14:37the level recedes and basically I became
344. 14:40my myself again and I want people to
345. 14:43understand this too and I'm not saying
346. 14:44this gratuitously because it's important
347. 14:46people understand this
348. 14:48that basically I was a normal person
349. 14:52uh
350. 14:53I wasn't some guy hanging out at bars or
351. 14:57a bum or I wasn't a pervert in the sense
352. 15:00that you know people look at somebody
353. 15:01and say I know there's something wrong
354. 15:03with him and just tell I mean I I was
355. 15:06essentially a normal person I had good
356. 15:08friends I I live a normal life it except
357. 15:13for this one
358. 15:15small but very potent and very
359. 15:17destructive segment of it that I get
360. 15:18very secret and very close to myself and
361. 15:21didn't let anybody know about it
362. 15:23and part of the shock and horror from my
363. 15:25dear friends and family was years ago
364. 15:28when I was first arrested was that they
365. 15:29just there was no clue they looked at me
366. 15:32and they looked at the you know the the
367. 15:35All-American boy and I I mean that
368. 15:37wasn't perfect but it was I want to
369. 15:39because
370. 15:40I was okay
371. 15:42okay I was and
372. 15:45the basic
373. 15:47humanity and basic spirit that God gave
374. 15:50me was intact but it unfortunately it
375. 15:53became overwhelmed at times I think
376. 15:55people need to recognize that it's not
377. 15:57some kind of
378. 15:59the the those of us who are who have
379. 16:03been so much influenced by violence in
380. 16:07the medium in particular pornographic
381. 16:10violence are not some kinds of inherent
382. 16:13monsters we are your sons and we are
383. 16:16your husbands
384. 16:17and
385. 16:19we grew up in regular families and
386. 16:22pornography can reach out and snatch a
387. 16:24kid out of any house today he snatched
388. 16:26me out of my it snatched me out of my
389. 16:28home 20
390. 16:3030 years ago
391. 16:32and as diligent as my parents were
392. 16:38and they were diligent in protecting
393. 16:41their children
394. 16:43and as good a Christian home as we had
395. 16:45and we had a wonderful Christian home
396. 16:49there is no protection against the kind
397. 16:51that the kinds of influences that are
398. 16:54loose in the society that tolerates
399. 17:01you feel this really deeply don't you
400. 17:0510 outside these walls right now there
401. 17:09are several hundred reporters
402. 17:11that wanted to talk to you yeah and you
403. 17:14asked me to come here from California
404. 17:17cause you had something you wanted to
405. 17:19say
406. 17:19this hour that we have together
407. 17:23is not just
408. 17:26an interview with a man who's scheduled
409. 17:28to die tomorrow morning
410. 17:30I am here and you're here because of
411. 17:33this message that you're talking about
412. 17:34right here
413. 17:36you really feel that hardcore
414. 17:39pornography and the doorway to it soft
415. 17:41core pornography
416. 17:42is doing Untold damage to other people
417. 17:46and causing other women
418. 17:48to be abused and killed the way you did
419. 17:52others listen I'm no social scientist
420. 17:55and I haven't done a survey I mean I I
421. 17:57don't pretend that I know what John Q
422. 17:59citizen thinks about this
423. 18:02but I've lived in prison for a long time
424. 18:04now
425. 18:07I've met a lot of men who were motivated
426. 18:10to commit violence just like me
427. 18:12and without exception
428. 18:14every one of them was deeply involved in
429. 18:18pornography without question without
430. 18:20exception deeply influenced and consumed
431. 18:23by an addiction to pornography there's
432. 18:26no question about it the FBI is on study
433. 18:28on serial homicide
434. 18:31shows that the most common
435. 18:33interest among serial killers
436. 18:39and it's and it's real it's true
437. 18:41Ted what would your life
438. 18:43have been like without that influence
439. 18:52speculate yeah well I I know it would
440. 18:56have been far better not just for me and
441. 18:59and it's excuse me for being so
442. 19:02self-centered here it would have been a
443. 19:04lot better for me and lots of other
444. 19:05people I know that lots of other
445. 19:07innocent people
446. 19:09victims and families
447. 19:11it would have been a lot better there's
448. 19:12no question but that it would have been
449. 19:15a a fuller life certainly a life that
450. 19:19would not have involved
451. 19:21I'm absolutely certain would not have
452. 19:24evolved involved this kind of violence
453. 19:27that I have been that I have committed
454. 19:30I'm sure Teddy if
455. 19:33you know if I were able to ask you the
456. 19:36questions that are being asked out there
457. 19:39one of the most important as you come
458. 19:41down to perhaps your final hours are you
459. 19:44thinking about all those victims out
460. 19:47there and their families well you are so
461. 19:50wounded you know years later their lives
462. 19:52have not returned to normal they will
463. 19:54never return to normal absolutely are
464. 19:56you carrying that load that way is the
465. 19:59remorse there
466. 20:04again I know that people will accuse me
467. 20:07being self-serving but we're beyond that
468. 20:09now I mean I'm just telling you how I
469. 20:11feel
470. 20:12but through God's help
471. 20:15I have been able to come to the point
472. 20:16where I've
473. 20:20much too late but better late than never
474. 20:22feel the hurt and the pain that I am
475. 20:25responsible for yes absolutely in the
476. 20:28past few days myself and a number of
477. 20:30investigators have been
478. 20:32talking about unsolved cases
479. 20:35murders that I was involved in
480. 20:38and it's hard it's hard to talk about
481. 20:40all these years later because it revives
482. 20:42in me all those terrible feelings and
483. 20:45those thoughts that I have
484. 20:50steadfastly and and
485. 20:53diligently dealt with and I think
486. 20:55successfully with the love of God
487. 20:58and yet it's reopened that and I felt
488. 21:01the pain and I felt the horror again of
489. 21:03all that and I can only hope
490. 21:07that
491. 21:08those who I have harmed
492. 21:10those who I've caused so much grief
493. 21:15if they don't believe
494. 21:17my
495. 21:19expression of
496. 21:21sorrow
497. 21:23will believe what I'm saying now
498. 21:27that there is loose
499. 21:30in their towns and their communities
500. 21:33people like me today
501. 21:37who's
502. 21:39dangerous impulses are being fueled
503. 21:42day in and day out
504. 21:45by violence in the media in its various
505. 21:47forms particularly sexualized violence
506. 21:51and what scares me and let's come into
507. 21:54the present now because what I'm talking
508. 21:55about happened in 30 20 30 years ago
509. 21:59that is in my formative stages and what
510. 22:02scares Nepal's me Dr Dobson is when I
511. 22:05see what's on cable TV
512. 22:08so in the movies I mean some of the
513. 22:10violence in the movies uh that come into
514. 22:13homes today
515. 22:14was stuff that they that they wouldn't
516. 22:16show in an x-rated adult theaters 30
517. 22:19years ago this stuff
518. 22:21slash your movies that you're talking
519. 22:23about that stuff is I'm telling you from
520. 22:26personal experience the most that is
521. 22:29graphic violence
522. 22:31on screen
523. 22:33particularly as it gets into the home
524. 22:35the children who may be unattended or or
525. 22:38unaware that they may be a Ted Bundy who
526. 22:41has that that vulnerability to that that
527. 22:44predisposition to be influenced by that
528. 22:46kind of behavior by that kind of of a
529. 22:48movie that kind of violence there are
530. 22:51kids sitting out there switching the TV
531. 22:54dial around and come upon these movies
532. 22:56late at night or I don't know when
533. 22:57they're on but they're on and any kid
534. 22:59can watch them it's scary when I think
535. 23:01what would have happened to me if I had
536. 23:04seen I was scary enough
537. 23:07I mean that I just ran into stuff
538. 23:08outside the home but to
539. 23:10know that children are watching that
540. 23:12kind of thing today or can pick up their
541. 23:15phone and dial away for it or send away
542. 23:18for it
543. 23:20can you help me understand this
544. 23:23desensitization process that took place
545. 23:25what was going on in your mind well by
546. 23:28desensitization I describe it
547. 23:32in specific terms is that
548. 23:37each time
549. 23:39I'd harm someone each time
550. 23:41I'd kill someone there'd be an enormous
551. 23:42amount
552. 23:44especially at first
553. 23:46enormous amount of horror Guild remorse
554. 23:49afterwards but then their impulse to do
555. 23:52it again would come back even stronger
556. 23:54now believe me I didn't
557. 23:56the unique thing about how this work Dr
558. 23:59Dobson is that I still felt
559. 24:01in my regular Life the full range of of
560. 24:04guilt and remorse about other things
561. 24:07regret and you had this
562. 24:10compartmentalized this compartmentalized
563. 24:12very well focused uh
564. 24:15a very sharply focused area where it was
565. 24:18like a black hole it was like a you know
566. 24:21like a crack and everything that fell
567. 24:23into that crack just disappeared
568. 24:25does that make sense yeah it does uh one
569. 24:28of the the final
570. 24:31murders that you committed of course was
571. 24:33apparently a little Kimberly Leach 12
572. 24:36years of age
573. 24:38I think the the public outcry is greater
574. 24:41there because an innocent child was
575. 24:43taken from a from a playground what did
576. 24:46you feel after that
577. 24:47what was there
578. 24:49were there the normal emotions three
579. 24:51days later where were you Ted
580. 24:54I
581. 25:00I can't really talk about that
582. 25:02that's the way
583. 25:06it's too painful
584. 25:09I would like to
585. 25:12like to be able to convey to you what
586. 25:15that
587. 25:16that
588. 25:18experiences like that I can't that I
589. 25:20want okay we'll talk about that
590. 25:29I can't begin to understand well I can
591. 25:32try but I'm I'm
592. 25:36aware
593. 25:37that I can't begin to understand the
594. 25:40pain
595. 25:41that the parents of
596. 25:44these of these children that I have and
597. 25:47these young women that I've harmed feel
598. 25:51and I can't restore
599. 25:54really much to them if anything
600. 25:57and we'll pretend to and I don't even
601. 25:59expect them to forgive me and I'm not
602. 26:01asking for it that kind of forgiveness
603. 26:03is of God and if they
604. 26:05they don't well maybe they'll find it
605. 26:07someday do you deserve the punishment
606. 26:10the state has inflicted upon you
607. 26:16a very good question I'll answer very
608. 26:18very honestly I I don't want to die I'm
609. 26:21not going to catch you I'll kid you not
610. 26:24um
611. 26:25I deserve certainly the most extreme
612. 26:29punishment
613. 26:30Society has and I deserve
614. 26:33I think Society deserves to be protected
615. 26:35from me and from others like me that's
616. 26:38for sure
617. 26:41I think what I what I hope will come of
618. 26:44our discussion is I think Society
619. 26:46deserves to be protected from itself
620. 26:49because
621. 26:51because we as as we've been talking
622. 26:53there are there are forces that loose in
623. 26:55in this country particularly again uh
624. 26:58this kind of violent pornography
625. 27:02where on the one hand
626. 27:05well-meaning decent people will condemn
627. 27:08Behavior
628. 27:10of a Ted Bundy while they're walking
629. 27:12past a a magazine rack full of the very
630. 27:15kinds of things that send young kids
631. 27:18down the road to be Ted Bundys that's
632. 27:20the irony we're talking here not just
633. 27:22about
634. 27:24more we're talking on what I'm talking
635. 27:25about is going Beyond retribution which
636. 27:28is
637. 27:29what
638. 27:31people want with me going Beyond
639. 27:33retribution and Punishment because there
640. 27:35is no way in the world that killing me
641. 27:37is going to restore
642. 27:40uh those beautiful children to their
643. 27:42parents and and and correct
644. 27:45and and soothe the pain
645. 27:48but I'll tell you there are lots of
646. 27:50other kids playing in streets around
647. 27:51this country today who are going to be
648. 27:53dead
649. 27:54tomorrow and the next day and the next
650. 27:57day and next month because other young
651. 28:00people are reading the kinds of things
652. 28:01and seeing the kinds of things that are
653. 28:03available in the media today Ted as you
654. 28:05would imagine there is tremendous
655. 28:07cynicism about you on the outside and I
656. 28:09suppose for good reason
657. 28:11I'm not sure that there's anything that
658. 28:13you could say that people would would
659. 28:15believe some people would believe yeah
660. 28:18and and yet you told me last night and I
661. 28:23have heard this through our mutual
662. 28:24friend John Tanner that you have
663. 28:27accepted the Forgiveness of Jesus Christ
664. 28:31and are a follower and a believer in him
665. 28:34do you draw strength from that as you
666. 28:37approach these Final hours
667. 28:39I do
668. 28:41I can't say that
669. 28:43it's going to be in the the Valley of
670. 28:45the shadow of death is is something that
671. 28:47I've become all that accustomed to and
672. 28:49then I you know and then I'm strong and
673. 28:52nothing's bothering me listen it's no
674. 28:55fun
675. 28:57it's it's you know it's it's a it gets
676. 29:00kind of lonely and yet
677. 29:04I have to remind myself that every one
678. 29:06of us
679. 29:08will go through this someday in one way
680. 29:10or another and countless Millions who
681. 29:14have walked this Earth before us have so
682. 29:16this is just an experience which we all
683. 29:18share
684. 29:20right on