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0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:02and educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:07proven guilty in a court of law. Any
0:09footage used in this video is obtained
0:11through public records and falls under
0:13fair use for the purpose of reporting
0:15analysis and public interest. In this
0:17first part of the interview, Jeffree
0:19tries to come across as casual, making
0:21small talk about the interrogation room
0:23and even joking about things he'd seen
0:25on Facebook. Detective Stoultz
0:27introduces himself and keeps the tone
0:29light at first, easing into the
0:31questioning. When asked about the day of
0:33the murder, Jeffree insists he simply
0:35walked into a terrible scene. His
0:37answers swing between vague and overly
0:39detailed, raising doubts for
0:40investigators. The detectives push him
0:43to clarify timelines and highlight how
0:45the supposed break-ins looked staged,
0:47suggesting the killer wasn't a stranger.
0:50Jeffree denies any involvement,
0:52repeating that he was shocked by what
0:54happened. But as part one closes, his
0:57story doesn't quite line up, and the
0:59detectives make it clear they see
1:00contradictions that point closer to
1:02home.
1:10[Music]
1:41This is the death point. Yes.
1:50Hey, I'm Sergeant. This is my boss,
1:52Sergeant Corvatus. He's going to sit in
1:54with us.
1:54>> What was it?
1:55>> Correus.
1:56>> Cvatis. Yeah.
1:57>> Oh, that's a mouthful.
1:58>> Greek.
1:59>> Yeah.
2:01>> Yeah. I just I wanted to meet you,
2:02Jeeoff. I've been kind of behind the
2:04scenes on working on this and just and
2:07sitting
2:09with Ron here.
2:10>> Okay. We talked a couple times. Yes.
2:13>> And has anything changed since those
2:16times? Have you thought of anything that
2:18might be different? Um,
2:20>> have you had a chance to talk?
2:22>> I talked to him a little bit. We went to
2:25the house and we saw the the hole in the
2:28cabinet.
2:28>> Mhm.
2:29>> We didn't see that before. We kind of
2:31looked around. Did you guys are the ones
2:33who took all the laptops and stuff,
2:34right?
2:35>> Yeah. We seize a lot of property from
2:38the house. Uh,
2:40>> that's one thing I noticed.
2:43Um,
2:45nothing else. I don't think I we noticed
2:47all laptops were missing because we were
2:48there yesterday looking for stuff.
2:51>> We went back to get baby stuff. We threw
2:53away stuff in the refrigerator. We were
2:55throwing stuff out. Everyone was
2:57cleaning the house basically.
2:59>> Mhm.
2:59>> But that's the only thing I noticed, I
3:00think.
3:01>> Okay. So,
3:02>> can't really recall
3:03>> the the night of neither one of you
3:05noticed the the bullet hole.
3:08>> I didn't notice that. And uh there's
3:10something else. So, what was it? I
3:12didn't notice the cups. There was a
3:14whole bunch of cups on the counter
3:16broken.
3:17>> Mhm.
3:17>> I don't know if you guys put those there
3:19or they were already there.
3:20>> Mhm.
3:21>> We didn't touch anything.
3:23>> The things that you saw were asis.
3:26>> The stuff was broken in the cabinets. We
3:29saw that when we like looked through. My
3:30dad came with us there. He was looking
3:32at everything, too.
3:33>> Mhm.
3:34>> And the floor was torn up. Was that you
3:36as well?
3:37>> What floor?
3:39Um,
3:41you walk in to the left where the
3:43refrigerator is, you know how it's like
3:45that fake facing the refrigerator?
3:46>> No. Uh, looking to the dining room.
3:49>> Mhm.
3:50>> There's like, you know how the
3:51lenolium's like this little plastic
3:53stuff that you put on the kitchen floor.
3:56Lenolium.
3:56>> Mhm.
3:57>> It's like the two squares closest to the
3:59door are gone. I thought that would be
4:00you guys.
4:02>> I don't think that was us. Can't say for
4:04certain, but
4:05>> Oh, well, that's the only thing.
4:07>> Maybe. Maybe when they cleaned the the
4:09home. Is it clean?
4:10>> Yeah.
4:10>> Did someone come in? Okay.
4:12>> Maybe
4:12>> maybe they had a something that
4:14>> they might have.
4:15>> Oh, wow.
4:18>> Anything else?
4:20>> Uh the bottom of the refrigerator looked
4:22brokenish.
4:24>> What's brokenish mean?
4:25>> Like the one part was sticking out like
4:27someone took it apart or something.
4:30>> Okay.
4:30>> That's like Okay. Uh
4:33>> anything about walking into the home?
4:35Did you notice anything else?
4:40That's a tough question. It's always a
4:41mess.
4:49>> Was the sliding glass door secure again?
4:52That locked up?
4:53>> They I mean I told them about that where
4:56to put everything.
4:57>> Told who?
4:58>> Uh Scott and we didn't go back to the
5:00house for the longest time. Scott and
5:01Pat Green or Pat Crown something like
5:04that.
5:05Crane went to the house and did
5:07everything for the longest time.
5:08>> Mhm.
5:09>> But I think they were going back to work
5:10and getting back to their normal
5:11schedule, so we're going to start doing
5:12it.
5:13>> Sure. When uh when was the first time
5:15you went back to the house?
5:17>> Yesterday.
5:17>> Yesterday.
5:18>> Oh, no. The day before yesterday.
5:20>> Mhm.
5:20>> And we got baby stuff.
5:23Uh we got some of my stuff out of the
5:24basement.
5:26We got Anna's stuff. We just grabbed
5:27clothes and stuff. Mostly more baby
5:29stuff than we could fit in two cars.
5:31>> Okay. And who went with you? uh my
5:34father, Anna, and myself. And then
5:36yesterday we stopped by because they
5:38were cleaning out the garage and I have
5:39all my tools and stuff. So, we put them
5:40all in a big pile.
5:42>> And your father again?
5:44>> No, just Anna and me. Bruce was up there
5:46>> with a whole bunch of other people and
5:48they put all my stuff in a pile and I
5:49went through and got more stuff out of
5:51the garage and put it in the pile.
5:52>> Okay.
5:53>> But we took her little blue car so we
5:55didn't have room to put it in the car,
5:56so we just kind of left it there.
5:57>> Mhm. Okay. Um, and you guys have been
6:00staying with your your folks the whole
6:02time,
6:03>> my father and mother.
6:04>> And I understand and and I forget if you
6:07told me or Anna, you guys have a house
6:10that is in the process of closing.
6:14>> I don't know if we're going to get it
6:15now, but yeah, we're trying to close it.
6:19>> Tell me about that. Where is that?
6:21>> Over on Crown Point. I don't know the
6:22exact address. It's in my phone if you
6:24want to look it up.
6:25>> Okay. But we have to physically pay for
6:28it still. That's the only thing.
6:30>> Did you go through a realtor or
6:33>> uh We went through a realtor? Yes.
6:34>> What realtor did you go through?
6:37>> Scott something. It's in the phone.
6:39>> I don't know his last name.
6:40>> Is it a company?
6:41>> It's a person. He might have a company
6:43associated with him. I'm sorry.
6:45>> Is this somebody that you know?
6:46>> No. Somebody I met through the Zillow
6:48app thing. You know, uh do you know what
6:50Zillow is?
6:54>> Okay. Well, tell tell me a little bit
6:55about Scott. Um, so you and Anna have
6:58both looked at this home.
6:59>> We looked at it three times.
7:01>> Okay.
7:01>> And we liked it. We looked at a few
7:03other ones.
7:04>> Okay. How much is it?
7:05>> It's 160, I think.
7:08>> Mhm.
7:10>> Yeah.
7:11>> Okay. And then where did you leave the
7:12process off with Scott? Did you put a
7:16down payment on?
7:17>> No, we used to get a loan and everything
7:18for it.
7:19>> Okay. So, it's a house, am I
7:20understanding this correctly? It's a
7:22house that you're interested in, but you
7:23haven't
7:24>> that we're trying to do everything with.
7:26>> Okay.
7:27>> Yeah.
7:27>> Okay. Um, you don't remember Scott's
7:30name?
7:31>> I don't know his last name.
7:33I can't I'm bad with names and stuff
7:35like that. I try to tell you.
7:37>> Okay.
7:39>> Uh,
7:41something with an A, if I remember
7:42correctly. A
7:46>> But it's in your other file.
7:48>> Yes. I can look through that one if you
7:49want. I know it's Can I turn it on
7:52silent real quick? Sure, cousin.
7:57>> Did you borrow that phone from somebody?
7:59>> It's my little sister's.
8:00>> Okay.
8:02>> Just so I can get in contact with Anna
8:04and our family and stuff.
8:05>> Sure.
8:05>> It buzzes every two seconds, like you
8:07said.
8:08>> Okay.
8:08>> 14-year-old girl text. Um
8:11>> let's uh let's just revisit the the
8:14night of again.
8:16Um, if you could
8:19when you guys went into the home,
8:25tell me tell me when you went up to the
8:27door and you couldn't get in. Start from
8:28there and tell me what you remember.
8:30>> We walked up to the door. Bruce is
8:32standing there with all his, you know,
8:34you saw all those bags he carries. It's
8:36looking like he's going to move or
8:37something every time he walks in the
8:38house.
8:39>> Mhm.
8:41>> Um, we open the door. We tried to open
8:43the door with the two keys that were in
8:45the truck on the thing. Those are the
8:47keys Anna gave us with that little
8:48medallion thing on it.
8:49>> Anna gave you those while you're at
8:50Applebee's.
8:51>> Mhm.
8:52>> Cuz I couldn't get in earlier.
8:53>> She gave you two keys.
8:55>> Two keys that were on a key ring that
8:56had like a I couldn't tell you what the
8:58key ring looks like. It's metal key ring
9:01circle and like two little lines off the
9:03side.
9:03>> Were there other keys on it or just
9:04those two?
9:05>> Just two keys.
9:06>> Okay.
9:06>> I think she just took the two keys that
9:08we needed off and put them on a key ring
9:10that she had.
9:11>> Mhm. cuz I don't know if you saw her
9:12key. She's got a million of those key
9:14rings and keychains.
9:15>> Yeah.
9:16>> Uh we put them in. None of them worked.
9:19>> You say we you or both of you?
9:21>> I put them in, but he held like the
9:23little his phone flashlight on it for a
9:25second cuz I couldn't see. It was pretty
9:27dark. I turned it, you know, wouldn't
9:30work. Wouldn't do anything. Did it again
9:32on the bottom one. Didn't do anything.
9:34And then we started getting like
9:36frustrated. So I knocked knocked.
9:38>> Do you have another key? Did you try
9:39that one? I don't have a key to any of
9:41the doors.
9:42>> No, but you have two keys in that ring.
9:43>> Yeah. No, I tried both of them.
9:44>> You tried both of them. Both locks.
9:46>> Yeah.
9:46>> Okay.
9:47>> That's what we were getting frustrated
9:48about.
9:49>> So, we started knocking knocking and we
9:51heard something and then I hit the
9:53doorbell a lot.
9:54>> What do you mean? What did you hear?
9:55>> Just like somebody moved. So, we knew
9:57someone was in there. We just hit the
9:58doorbell.
9:59>> Someone walking. Is that what you're
10:00saying?
10:00>> Yeah. Upstairs. If you walked down the
10:02one hallway, it's super creaky.
10:04>> Okay. So, you saying it was upstairs?
10:06>> Yeah. It must have been Kyle.
10:08>> Mhm.
10:09And I hit the doorbell a crap ton. And
10:11then you hear Kyle, he does that stop.
10:13He like walks down the stairs sideways.
10:15You know,
10:16>> he does really really slow.
10:18>> Mhm.
10:19>> You come down the stairs. He open the
10:21door.
10:21>> Did you see him coming from down the
10:22stairs?
10:23>> Well, I'm assuming he came down the
10:25stairs cuz the way he walks down the
10:26stairs.
10:27>> Did you see him?
10:28>> No.
10:29>> Okay.
10:29>> I mean, it makes sense cuz he normally
10:31hides up there and stuff.
10:32>> Okay.
10:33>> Uh I'm sorry. Where was I?
10:36>> Kyle's coming down the stairs. Kyle. It
10:38sounded like Kyle's coming down the
10:39stairs with the stomps and then he
10:41opened open opened the door. And
10:45>> when he opened the door, do you remember
10:47which locks he had to unlock?
10:51>> I didn't hear the click of the deadbolt,
10:52but I couldn't not been listening cuz me
10:54and Bruce were like going, "What's
10:56taking so long?" You know, little
10:58chatter cuz it was cold out and
10:59everything.
11:00>> Mhm.
11:02Uh
11:03>> I can't. Probably just the bottom,
11:07but I don't know. I feel like I would
11:08have heard the click of the head.
11:10>> Feel like you need a glass of water,
11:12Jeff?
11:13>> I just had a pop a minute ago. I'm okay.
11:16I'm just starting to get a little sick.
11:19>> Uh, what do you mean?
11:21>> What? What do you mean you're getting
11:22sick?
11:24>> Oh, I've been coughing all all week.
11:27It's the whenever it starts to get real
11:30cold and everything, I get that
11:32>> winner's cough or whatever.
11:35>> And then he opened the door,
11:38said, "Hi, Kyle." I just stay yelling,
11:40"Bruy, Brucey, Brucey." That's what he
11:41does. I don't know if you met Kyle
11:45the night of
11:46>> Well, whenever he sees Brucey the other
11:48day, I met him.
11:48>> Yeah. He calls him Brucey and he gets
11:50all excited and everything that he's
11:51there. He loves Bruce.
11:55opened the door and Kyle was jumping
11:56around a little bit.
11:57>> Does Kyle like you or does he like you?
12:00>> He likes me. He kind of likes me. I
12:02don't know. He goes in and out sometimes
12:04if I feel like he doesn't like me, but
12:05sometimes
12:06>> What does he do that uh in a case that
12:09he doesn't like you?
12:10>> Well, like the weeks leading up to this,
12:13he like whenever I'd walk in the room
12:15and sit down next to him, we kind of
12:16just get up and leave. And it was kind
12:18of funny at first, then it was kind of
12:19like, damn, that sucks. You know,
12:22>> it's a good indicator.
12:23>> Yeah.
12:25But uh and then he started warming up to
12:28me cuz I took him out to dinner with
12:29Anna a few times and like I stopped
12:33cuz like he he pees himself and has
12:36other accidents like that and you have
12:37to yell at him but if I yell at him he
12:39kind of like oh I don't like you for a
12:41week now
12:44which is kind of weird
12:47but whatever. Now he seems pretty fine
12:49with me. Okay.
12:51>> You give me a hug and that's pretty
12:52surprising. He's done that in a while.
12:53So,
12:56>> um
12:58I'm sorry. Where was I? I got
13:00distracted.
13:01>> You guys got in the home. Kyle let you
13:02in.
13:03>> Oh, we were in the home.
13:06We walked in. I walked in the first step
13:08and I set the baby to the right all the
13:10time cuz I left the car on cuz I didn't
13:11think we were going to get in. So, I
13:13walked out, got the car keys,
13:16>> got the bag.
13:16>> What do you mean you left the car on cuz
13:17you didn't think we were going to get
13:18in?
13:18>> Cuz when I stopped by earlier, I knocked
13:20and everything. The same car was there.
13:22I figured she just wasn't there.
13:24>> I thought she had the van that day
13:26because Megan leaves her car all the
13:28time when she goes to California and
13:29stuff.
13:30>> So the red car being in the driveway
13:32isn't really a big thing. It's always
13:34there sometime for weeks at a time
13:36whenever she leaves town.
13:37>> Mhm.
13:38>> And whenever they park it all the way to
13:39the top left, it's all the other cars
13:41can, you know, maneuver around her and
13:42everything. It's not in the way.
13:44>> Mhm.
13:45>> So I just, you know, I saw the red car
13:47when I left and I thought, "Oh, Megan's
13:49out of town." Cuz she wasn't in the
13:50house when I left.
13:52And then
13:54>> what time did you go there beforehand?
13:56>> Right before Applebee's. I told you
13:58about that.
13:59>> What time? What time was that at?
14:05>> I couldn't tell you. I know. I was
14:07texting Anna saying I was on my way when
14:09I left
14:12or no, I texted her when I was on my way
14:15there like to Applebee's.
14:18So, whenever the phone is on, I'm I'm
14:19away is when I'm leaving, I think.
14:22>> I don't know. It's hard to keep track
14:24without everything.
14:26>> And then you said you went there prior
14:28to before Applebees. And where did you
14:30where were you coming from?
14:33>> From your aunts?
14:34>> Yes.
14:34>> Okay. So, you left your aunts home.
14:37>> Is that what you're saying?
14:38>> Yeah. Go ahead.
14:38>> And then how did you try to make entry
14:40that time?
14:41>> The garage. I could only get in through
14:43the garage cuz when all those keys went
14:46missing, I had a key to the old front
14:48door lock cuz it was the same lock. I
14:51had a key, but then I gave it to Bruce
14:54when she switched it to the other one.
14:57They lost another set of keys with the
14:58new lock on and then they made it half
15:00and half, like one with the new lock,
15:02one with the old lock.
15:04>> And then she switched both locks so that
15:06she only had the keys to it.
15:08>> Mhm. Mhm. Cuz the first time I had to do
15:11it, the way that door is, it's like the
15:15the locks that she bought were like
15:17maybe not even half an inch. I had to
15:19cut around the hole. You know what I'm
15:20talking about? Where the lock slides in.
15:22I had to cut it to make it bigger.
15:25But after I did that,
15:27put that piece in. She changed it a few
15:30times. So, I don't know what lock is in
15:32there. What lock isn't in there.
15:33>> Mhm.
15:34>> But I know she had keys to it. I think
15:36Bruce had pieced the one before the one
15:39she just changed the other day.
15:41>> Mhm.
15:42>> If that makes sense. It makes sense in
15:44my head the way I'm saying it. If it
15:45doesn't make sense,
15:46>> I I understand from other times we've
15:48spoken. Um
15:51>> the way explain things weird.
15:53>> We spoke before. Um you say you never
15:56had a problem with that garage to get
15:58into that garage. Why do you think it
15:59didn't work this time? Well, Scott, the
16:02day the day we were allowed to go to the
16:04house, they went all they all went over
16:06there to grab stuff and the dog and he
16:09said the garage door wouldn't open and
16:10then he came back and he said it did
16:12open, but it only opened halfway.
16:14So, he grabbed tools and stuff and he
16:16said it was off the tracks, but you'd
16:18have to talk to him more about it. I
16:19didn't go there and fix it.
16:21>> But the the day of that's the first time
16:24you've had a problem with the garage,
16:26correct?
16:26>> Yes.
16:27>> Okay. And nobody else I spoke to them.
16:29They never had a problem. But okay, so
16:31back on track. You went from your aunts
16:33back, couldn't get in. And why were you
16:35going back to the house?
16:36>> I had gas on me.
16:38>> You had gas on you?
16:39>> Yes.
16:40>> How did that happen?
16:40>> I smelled from when I pumped gas and got
16:43the gas in the car like at the Gecko
16:46station.
16:47>> Okay. Um, let's talk about Gecko and the
16:51gas. Um,
16:54you had told me earlier that you left,
16:59you got Kyle off the bus
17:02and Melinda came home. You left right
17:06away. Correct.
17:07>> Mhm. After I grabbed the bags, of
17:09course.
17:10>> Well, right. Um, Kyle was a couple
17:14minutes early. You were a minute out.
17:15They kept him on the bus and
17:19he was running around outside. Does
17:21Melinda come home then while he's
17:23outside or
17:23>> Yeah, they came home when we were
17:24walking inside.
17:25>> Okay. So, you guys are inside. Melinda
17:27comes home
17:28>> and then you guys then you left right
17:29away.
17:30>> Yeah.
17:30>> With the baby.
17:31>> Mhm.
17:32>> And you said that's at 3:00, give or
17:34take a couple minutes
17:35>> around there. Yeah. I don't know the
17:37exact time. I'm really bad with time.
17:38>> Well, well, we know Kyle gets off the
17:40bus at 3. So, when did you leave your
17:42house?
17:43>> When we got him back inside and she
17:45walked in, like I was just getting the
17:47baby ready. I put a different change of
17:49clothes on her. She pooped on her on her
17:52pants. Put a different change of clothes
17:54on her. What else did I do? I threw food
17:58in the bag.
17:59>> Okay.
17:59>> I opened up that cabinet, threw food in
18:01the bag. I didn't grab a bottle. I
18:04always forget to grab a bottle.
18:07And that's when she walked in and I was
18:11like, "Okay."
18:13I was gone.
18:14>> How long do you think that took?
18:16>> Not long. Probably
18:2010 minutes after I got inside.
18:22>> Okay. So, roughly you leave the house at
18:243:10
18:26>> to go to go to your a genie,
18:28>> I think. So, yeah.
18:31>> I'm sorry. I'm really I'm not trying to
18:32be difficult, but I'm just
18:34>> Well, I mean, I'm not looking for down
18:36at the minute, but can we agree? I mean,
18:38Kyle gets gets home, Melinda comes home
18:43>> pretty much right afterwards, and then
18:44you get your stuff ready. As soon as
18:46>> she walked in and left. Yeah. Okay.
18:49Um,
18:54>> I don't know. That happens all the time
18:55though where like one person will walk
18:57in just kind of can't stay outside. But
18:59>> we know we know Kyle got home and she
19:00came home very shortly after. She's
19:02right there.
19:02>> Would have been 10 or 15 minutes right
19:05back I guess.
19:06>> Okay.
19:07>> And so tell me about the gas. Um,
19:10>> the truck.
19:11>> What route do you take to get to your
19:13aunts?
19:14>> I don't like going down Pearl. I get
19:16stopped at the lights and the truck's
19:17brakes aren't the best.
19:18>> And you're going down Drake.
19:20>> Yeah. So, I go down Drake and then
19:21Prospect. That way there's less times I
19:23have to stop and stuff.
19:25>> Especially since it's raining. Like when
19:26you truck there's like I don't know if
19:27you ever change brakes before.
19:29>> No.
19:30>> There's a if you you have to bleed the
19:32brakes and everything. We bled them. My
19:34dad bled them with my grandfather and
19:35there's like an air bubble in there or
19:37something. So whenever you stop it kind
19:38of doesn't stop sometimes like you have
19:40to reapply the brake.
19:41>> Okay.
19:42>> So you have to drive slow in the truck.
19:44>> Mhm. But you're driving and the thing's
19:47a gas guzzler. I didn't realize that the
19:49light was on. There's a little square to
19:52the right.
19:53I ran out of gas. Just past the one, not
19:57Bear Creek, the street after Bear Creek.
20:01There's like a little gravel thing. I
20:03drove by. When I drove by yesterday, I
20:04pointed out to Anna just so I'd be like,
20:06"Hey,
20:07we have to get that on the way back."
20:09Like the address so I could tell you
20:10guys.
20:11>> Mhm. But I was stuck in that gravel
20:13thing for a little bit and it was
20:15boring.
20:17Didn't know where my phone was cuz the
20:20slip behind the thing,
20:23but I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm trying
20:27to figure it out.
20:29All right. I'm sorry.
20:31>> You okay?
20:32>> Yeah. Know, I was trying I'm still
20:33trying to think about the house. What
20:35else could be missing?
20:38>> Well, we we'll come back to the house.
20:39So, just tell me. So you break down on
20:41on Drake Road.
20:42>> Yes.
20:43>> And then how long is it until the Good
20:44Samaritan comes?
20:48>> I don't know. 20 minutes, 25 minutes.
20:51>> Okay.
20:52>> And then he's back in 10th.
20:54>> Okay. And what do you give him?
20:56>> I gave him a gas can and $10.
20:58>> Mhm. And
20:59>> I figured worst case he'd steal my 10
21:01bucks in a gas can and I'd still be
21:03stuck there.
21:03>> And can you describe him and the vehicle
21:05he was driving?
21:06>> Uh the red Buick.
21:09I don't know what car it would be.
21:13It looked newish.
21:16Uh, older man, glasses. He had one of
21:19those tweed jackets on,
21:22>> you know, like you see in uh the movies
21:23with professors.
21:24>> Okay.
21:26>> Did you wave him down or did he just
21:28stop?
21:28>> He pulled up behind me and he walked
21:29right up, which was really nice. He had
21:31a little umbrella.
21:33He had one of those white umbrellas with
21:35a,
21:37you know, you see like one stripe on one
21:39side and then another stripe on the
21:40other side. Like almost like a clock.
21:43>> Okay.
21:44>> If you were looking at it from above.
21:46>> Mhm.
21:49And he's like, "Hey, do you need help?"
21:52You know? Oh, you got a little kid. Oh,
21:54she's cute. Like, I held the baby up for
21:56him. He's really nice.
22:00I got his number or something. So you
22:02think
22:06um handed him a walked out with him. I'm
22:10sorry.
22:10>> Sorry.
22:12>> Walked out with him like got out of the
22:14car. Handed him a gas tank. Gave him 10
22:16bucks. Said, "Hey." He asked if he can
22:18do anything. I was like, "Can you maybe
22:20get gas? Can I give you money?" It was a
22:22little conversation. He's like, "Yeah,
22:23yeah, yeah, yeah." He walked back with
22:25the gas tank to his car, pulled around
22:29and went to Gecko.
22:36>> How much gas did you put in that in the
22:38truck when you went to Gecko?
22:39>> Whatever $6 is worth. I don't know the
22:41prices.
22:42>> How did you pay for that?
22:43>> With cash.
22:44>> Cash? Okay.
22:47>> Is that a problem? I don't know.
22:49>> Well, you can pay any way you want.
22:51>> I don't know. I I just paid with cash
22:53and then I was broke after that.
22:56But uh then I after that
22:58>> Do you have a credit card? Could you
23:00have pay with a debit or credit card? Do
23:02you even have one?
23:02>> I have one. Yeah, I have a debit card.
23:05>> You don't have to get it out.
23:06>> Oh,
23:09then I'm also missing my license and
23:12stuff. We realized that yesterday. I
23:13know. We I called and my dad called you
23:17to see if it's in the back of the phone.
23:18I throw stuff in the back of the phone
23:19like a wallet
23:20>> cuz I always have it.
23:22>> Yeah.
23:24>> I'm sorry I'm getting sidetracked.
23:26>> It's okay.
23:27>> We're We're at uh Gecko. You put uh $6
23:31in. Would you give him a five and a
23:33single or how did you pay for it?
23:35>> I think it was
23:38five ones and like 3/4 and whatever
23:41change was in the thing.
23:42>> Okay.
23:43>> Just to get as much in there as
23:44possible.
23:46And I still had gas in the back of the
23:47gas tank that I was going to use at the
23:49rentals
23:51because I didn't want to put it all in
23:53the truck cuz I didn't have to drive the
23:54truck.
23:55>> Who put Who put the gas in your in your
23:57truck or was a good Samaritan?
23:59>> He did.
23:59>> He did.
24:00>> Yeah.
24:01>> You didn't put it all in there.
24:02>> No, I asked him not to put it all in
24:03there. Put like half of it in, which you
24:05did.
24:06>> Mhm.
24:07>> Um
24:11I pumped the gas after that. Baby's
24:14passed out in the passenger seat. You
24:16know, you saw um
24:18>> I open that back door and I start moving
24:21stuff around, looking, looking, looking,
24:22looking, find the phone. The phone slid
24:25back there and it's always on like
24:28silent or vibrate, so I didn't hear
24:30anything. I don't even think I got a
24:32text or anything like that.
24:35picked up phone,
24:37got in the car, set it down in the cup
24:39holder,
24:41pulled back out, went out.
24:44I called my dad, told him what happened,
24:47and then I called Genie
24:50or I texted Genie saying I was on the
24:52way and I went straight there. Got
24:56there, was still pouring.
25:00She opened the garage for me right when
25:02I pulled up. I guess she saw me through
25:03the window or something or she heard it.
25:05The truck's pretty loud. Makes that
25:06stupid
25:08noise.
25:09>> Mhm.
25:10>> Um
25:14got the baby out, walked in with her and
25:16the baby, and we were in the
25:19dining room next to the kitchen, just
25:22off the kitchen for the longest time.
25:25Had soup. We were talking about
25:26everything. Talking about everything,
25:29you know, asking her. We made a little
25:30list of what needed to be done around
25:32the house for her cuz I do everything
25:34there. My dad does everything there.
25:37Made a list. It was the lights.
25:40We had to clean up that one thing. She
25:42wanted a bush gone. Wanted the bush gone
25:44before her.
25:46Um, she wanted all the leaves raked up.
25:49And there was something inside the house
25:50that I can't remember.
25:52It was a plug or an outlet or something
25:54like that. Just something small that can
25:56be done really quick.
25:58>> Okay.
26:00And how long do you think you're at your
26:02ants?
26:04>> Long enough for me to eat like a bowl of
26:07soup. Two bowls of soup nearly.
26:11But whenever I go there, we talk
26:12forever. So
26:16then
26:16>> what time do you think you got there?
26:24>> I couldn't tell you.
26:27Can't you just I know my dad said this.
26:30Can't you like ping my phone and just
26:31figure out where I was the whole time?
26:34>> That's a possibility. I haven't done it
26:36yet.
26:37>> So, but I'm asking you.
26:39>> I mean, it shouldn't It's We're not
26:40talking I'm not asking you for a 24-hour
26:42account, but you break down, you got
26:44gas, um you went right to your aunts.
26:47So, what time do you think you got to
26:48your aunts?
26:50>> Whenever I called my dad when I was
26:52pulling out. So, it takes maybe 10
26:54minutes to get there.
26:56probably 10 minutes after I called my
26:58dad. I don't I don't know the exact
27:01time. That's I'm trying to give you guys
27:03the exact time. I can't.
27:04>> Mhm.
27:05>> So 10 minutes after I called him, it was
27:07a short conversation just telling him
27:08what happened
27:10>> and then I he called me an idiot. Told
27:12me I need to watch the gas more.
27:13>> Mhm. Well, just just from what you said
27:16is would this be pretty accurate if you
27:19left just say 10 after 3:15
27:24you were broken down.
27:26That's just a few minutes obviously till
27:28you got to that point. Took about 20
27:30minutes for him to come get you gas.
27:34So
27:36by time you get your aunts probably
27:38safely by 4:00 you get there, right?
27:41>> Yeah. full almost a full hour.
27:45>> Yeah.
27:45>> Okay. And how long are you at your
27:47aunts?
27:49>> Um they're a decent bit. We talked I was
27:51chopping her. She was She bought these
27:52weird dog treats offline. Not the pig
27:55ears, but like
27:57>> I don't even know what you call them.
27:58They look like pig ears, but they're
27:59twisted.
28:00>> Like you know how rope is twisted? It's
28:03like that. And I don't know if you ever
28:04try to break a pig ear before. It sucks.
28:07It's really oily. It's hard to break.
28:08>> Mhm. She had me chopping those things up
28:10with like gardener tools on the thing
28:12cuz she said she couldn't do them cuz
28:13she has this little I don't really know
28:16what it is. It's like a little rat. It's
28:19like this big that never stops barking.
28:21It's annoying. Most annoying dog I've
28:23ever seen. I was chopping them up in
28:25little pieces for her.
28:28To be honest, I was getting my ass
28:29kicked by those stupid little clippers.
28:31>> Mhm. I chopped half a container of those
28:34for her. She offered to give me some
28:36soup. I said, "Sure, you know, we'll sit
28:38down and talk." She woke the baby up out
28:41of the chair.
28:43We were there for a while. I told her my
28:46dad was in the hospital. She didn't know
28:48and she works at the hospital. So,
28:52um, he called, I called him, put him on
28:54speaker phone, set the phone down, and
28:56we all talked for the longest time.
28:59And then after that, I left. When Anna
29:01called me, she said I had to go to
29:03Applebee's and everything that we're all
29:04going to meet up at Applebee's
29:08and then I left.
29:11>> What time do you think that is?
29:14>> I don't
29:17I was there for a while. I couldn't tell
29:19you.
29:21It was whenever if you look at the phone
29:23whenever she called me and said, "Let's
29:26go to Applebee's." My dad's coming to
29:28Applebee's in a little bit.
29:30So then I went and then I was still
29:32smelling like gas. I don't know if you
29:35talked to Genie or asked Genie. I was
29:38wreaking of gas when I walked in there
29:40cuz I
29:41>> How the gas spill on you?
29:43>> Cuz I don't know. I just spilled it on
29:45me, I guess.
29:46>> Where at?
29:47>> I get go.
29:48>> So you saying while you're pumping it
29:50splashed on you?
29:51>> No. No. When I when I pull it out, I
29:53always go like instead of waiting like I
29:55normally do on the laser, but the truck
29:58gets higher up. So I just go like
30:00I probably got on me there, but you know
30:02when you pump gas and you get that gas
30:03smell that bothers me. I hate gas.
30:05>> Mhm.
30:06>> Cuz it's so pungent, it just makes you
30:08smell like like a mechanic or something.
30:11>> Mhm.
30:11>> Yeah.
30:14>> Okay.
30:16>> I'm sorry. Where was I after that?
30:19>> I was asking you how long you had your
30:20hands.
30:22>> Uh
30:25maybe an hour.
30:27>> Okay. a little bit longer if anything.
30:29>> And then from there, where do you go
30:31>> back home?
30:32>> What route do you take to get back home?
30:34>> Same route. You go out to 82, left,
30:37prospect,
30:40uh, left, Drake, and then all the way
30:42down to how right Golden Star, Blazing
30:45Star.
30:46>> And there you can't get in.
30:47>> Can't get in. The code didn't work. So,
30:50>> is the red car still there?
30:55I honestly don't know.
30:57>> Did you knock?
30:58>> No.
31:00>> But if somebody if that car is there,
31:02why didn't you knock? Try to have
31:04someone let you in. Kyle let you in
31:06later in the night. Why couldn't he let
31:08you in there?
31:08>> I didn't know she was driving the car
31:10until after I went to Applebee's. Bruce
31:13told me that.
31:13>> So you didn't think to knock? No, I just
31:16assumed Megan wasn't there cuz she
31:18always goes like she comes she's there
31:21Sunday night and she wasn't there when I
31:23woke up. So I assumed okay she went to
31:26California or wherever the hell she
31:27travels.
31:28>> Mhm.
31:29>> And then she left her car. It's all the
31:31way pulled up like you know it's all the
31:33way pulled up out of the way. So I
31:34figured hey she left her car.
31:37>> Mhm.
31:39>> I don't know. I know that.
31:40>> What about Melinda?
31:42>> No, it doesn't make sense right now. But
31:43what about Melinda? I mean, wouldn't you
31:45think that she's home?
31:48>> No,
31:49>> you didn't.
31:49>> We were calling her.
31:50>> When Melinda came home, when Kyle came
31:52home, you didn't see what she was
31:54driving?
31:55>> I didn't really care to be honest. I
31:56just kind of wanted to go.
31:58>> Okay. So, you didn't think to knock?
32:00>> No.
32:00>> Cuz someone let you in. Okay.
32:02>> I didn't think anyone was home.
32:03>> Okay. And then what route do you take
32:06back to
32:08>> straight down? How? Until you get to 82
32:11and you turn left and you go to the
32:12other one.
32:13>> Okay. Then you beat Bruce there,
32:16correct?
32:17>> Yeah. Waited for him for a while and
32:19then he came.
32:19>> What time do you think you got to
32:21Applebee's?
32:29>> I got there. I texted in here on the
32:31phone. I'm sorry. It's hard to keep
32:33track of stuff without looking at your
32:35texts and stuff.
32:37>> I don't know. I was just walked out of
32:40the h walked out of the car, put the
32:41code in, didn't list, put the code in
32:43again, got in the car and left. So,
32:48>> say that part again. I'm sorry.
32:50>> When I pulled into the driveway, got
32:52out, put the code in, put the code in,
32:54didn't work, didn't work. Just went
32:57there. So, not too long after I left
32:59Genies.
33:00>> Yeah. I thought I thought you said you
33:01walked out of the house.
33:03What?
33:04>> You just said I walked out of the house
33:05and you said I walked out of the car.
33:06No,
33:06>> I'm talking about the car.
33:08I'm sorry. I I see weird. I guess I
33:11don't know. I put the code in twice,
33:14didn't open. Put the code in, didn't
33:16open.
33:18Got back in the car, backed up, left,
33:22then drove down there, just walked in. I
33:24texted her here right when I got to
33:26Applebee's,
33:28but she didn't come. Like, she didn't
33:30text me back or anything, so she's
33:31probably doing something.
33:32>> Mhm. I talked to the little girl, the
33:35little blonde girl at the front and said
33:36I was told her who I was. You know, Anna
33:39said she's going to service tonight,
33:40>> which happens all the time when I go
33:42there. Like everyone kind of knows who
33:43the baby is and everything. I don't know
33:45if they know who I am.
33:47So, they took us to a booth to left. She
33:51finally came. She finally came up a
33:54while after. It was like 10 minutes
33:55after I spoke to her manager before
33:58then. She said hi. Asked who I was. I
34:01said, "Oh, Jeff, this is the baby."
34:04She asked if I had been served yet. I
34:06said, "No." I was like, "I'm just
34:08waiting for Anna."
34:10And then, uh, she came, said her dad was
34:13on her way. I called her dad, asked if
34:16he wanted me to order anything for him.
34:17He said, "No, just wait till I get
34:18there. Just wait till I get there."
34:21Then he showed up not too long after.
34:25He walked in, looked around. I waved to
34:27him, came and sat down.
34:35I don't know what else there is. Did
34:37>> you guys talk about Melinda while you're
34:39at dinner?
34:41Yeah, we asked I asked her if he heard
34:43from her again
34:45>> cuz we were all trying we were all
34:47texting each other and calling each
34:48other trying to figure out where she
34:49was, what was going on, if we were even
34:52doing anything, if it was going on, what
34:54was
34:57and he got all was everybody worried?
35:00>> No, we just figured like Anna Bruce
35:02said, "Oh, she probably met up with some
35:04people at Brew Gardener and Brew
35:06whatever."
35:06>> Mhm. Because apparently there's three or
35:09four restaurants with brew at the front.
35:11I don't normally go out with them to
35:12those ones.
35:13>> Mhm.
35:14>> I know Brew Garden is uh
35:19I think it's the one by the mall.
35:21>> It is.
35:22>> Yeah, that's the new one, but there's
35:25another one.
35:26>> There's Brew Kettle. Is that what you're
35:28talking about?
35:29>> Whatever the new one by the mall is.
35:30Isn't that Brew Garden?
35:31>> That's Brew Garden.
35:32>> That's We I've been there.
35:34>> Have you been to Brew Kettle? I don't I
35:36didn't even know what brew kettle was to
35:38be honest. Okay. I know there's like
35:41four or five restaurants with brew in
35:42them,
35:44but that's the one by Walmart is what
35:47Bruce said cuz I asked him if he was by
35:50the mall when I spoke to him earlier.
35:54What else was there?
35:56>> Do Bruce and uh Did Bruce and Melinda go
35:58to Brucetto often?
36:02>> They go out to eat like every night. Do
36:04they
36:04>> do they like to go there?
36:06to where
36:07>> Bruce
36:08>> um they went yesterday or something like
36:11that is what Ann and them said.
36:13>> Melinda
36:14>> not yesterday um the day before all that
36:17happened.
36:18>> Mhm. Do they like to go there? Do you
36:21know?
36:22>> Uh talking to him. I didn't know this
36:24before. Apparently she hates the beer
36:26there or something. Something like that.
36:28She hates something there.
36:30So I don't normally go there is what he
36:32was saying.
36:34But that's just all of us talking after
36:36the fact.
36:38>> Mhm.
36:38>> And then there's something else he said
36:40about it that he didn't like that I
36:43can't remember.
36:46Uh
36:51I'm sorry. I'm trying to remember.
36:55But they always go to
36:57Slim and Chubbies.
37:00There's a restaurant over here by Big
37:02Lots to the right of it. I forget the
37:05name of it. They always go there. That's
37:07where all their teacher friends go.
37:10Um they go to Razles a lot. That's over
37:12in Homestead Township or Homestead
37:14Falls.
37:16They go to
37:20They go everywhere.
37:22I hate to say it. They're like
37:24everywhere.
37:25>> Mhm.
37:28Whenever we mention a place, they always
37:29go, "Oh, we go there. We go."
37:32>> Jeff, you had told me uh that the the
37:36plan was for Melinda, your mom, to meet
37:40that that night.
37:42>> I never talked to my mother about it,
37:44but
37:44>> I'm sorry.
37:47>> I never talked to my mother about it
37:49because she canceled earlier in the day
37:50when she came home. She said she had
37:52Melinda.
37:53>> Okay. when it when when she came home,
37:55>> right when she walked in, she said she
37:57was going to the doctor for something
37:59with her foot, some shot.
38:02>> Okay.
38:02>> Um
38:06I'm sorry. I'm trying to remember all
38:07this stuff. She said, "Never mind.
38:13I have stuff to do." And then she said
38:15she was going to the doctor and she went
38:16upstairs and changed. So I was kind of
38:19waking up a little bit more because I
38:20was napping with the baby.
38:23>> But Melinda had come home around what
38:26time first before she went to the
38:28doctor.
38:29>> I'm talk that's the time I'm talking
38:30about when she first came home.
38:31>> What time did she come home?
38:35>> Maybe 12 if not a little bit before.
38:38>> Okay.
38:38>> Did you know she was coming home early?
38:40>> No, she just kind of walked in.
38:42>> Just walked in. What were you doing when
38:43she came home?
38:44>> I was sitting on the couch watching
38:45Barney with the baby like I always do.
38:48She I don't know whatever was on.
38:50>> Mhm. And then she locked at what time
38:52there was
38:53>> she left like an hour after that maybe.
38:56>> Okay.
38:56>> She was upstairs and she sat down there
38:58and played with the baby for a little
38:59bit.
38:59>> Mhm.
39:00>> That's when I changed it from Barney to
39:03I think Marvel's Avengers or something
39:05on Netflix.
39:07>> Mhm.
39:08>> What else?
39:11And then
39:13after she left, I went downstairs out
39:15the baby planner. She's a little plane
39:17thing, little car plane thing that she
39:21sits on and she pushes. It's got wheels.
39:24I went downstairs and changed out my
39:25pajamas into the clothes I was wearing
39:27that you guys have
39:29and
39:32just came back upstairs cuz I was
39:34planning on leaving.
39:36>> You were wearing pajamas before you
39:37changed.
39:38>> What? What is pajamas? What were you
39:41wearing?
39:42>> Sweatpants and a t-shirt.
39:44>> What color? Sweatpants. colors t-shirt.
39:47>> I don't know the sweatpants, but it's a
39:49gray t-shirt that says some softball
39:51team on it. It's really old. It's ratty.
39:54I pointed out to you guys when we walked
39:56downstairs. I don't know if you took it
39:57or not.
40:00But it was just at the base of the
40:01stairs. I just I always throw them down
40:03there.
40:04>> Mhm.
40:07>> Okay. Um,
40:10I understand you're driving the truck
40:12and you you got that truck from your dad
40:15on Saturday. Is that correct?
40:18>> Sunday. Early Sunday.
40:20>> My mom had to
40:21>> I didn't have a key to their house cuz I
40:23gave it to Ellie a while back cuz they
40:25lose keys all the time.
40:27>> Okay. So, between when you got the truck
40:29on Sunday and uh I understand we have it
40:32now, but between Sunday and Monday, did
40:34anybody else drive that truck besides
40:35you?
40:36>> No.
40:36>> Okay. Okay. So, you had it. Okay. Then
40:38you and your father obviously do some
40:41work
40:42>> uh at your rentals, but uh so you pick
40:44it up on Sunday. What time? You said
40:46morning.
40:48>> Uh
40:50I don't know. Probably around 12:00 I
40:53was there and then I had to wait in my
40:55car.
40:55>> Okay. And you had it and you're the only
40:57one that had it since then?
40:58>> Yeah.
40:59>> Okay. Um,
41:02let me just uh go back to the night of
41:06and eventually Kyle lets you in.
41:09You set Aurora down.
41:12>> Bruce went in.
41:13>> And then where do you go?
41:15>> I was coming back. I heard him yell.
41:17>> You go back where? Where do you go?
41:19>> To the car to turn off the car.
41:21I didn't know if we would be getting in
41:23or not.
41:24>> Mhm.
41:25>> Grab the keys, grab the bag, uh, my
41:27wallet, my phone. put it in my pocket.
41:30>> Mhm.
41:31>> Walk out. I was at the brickish or about
41:34to hit the brick.
41:35>> Mhm.
41:35>> I heard him yell.
41:37>> How did he yell? How do you yell?
41:40>> Ah,
41:41I I'm sorry. Uh like just yell
41:45>> one time.
41:46>> Yeah. And then he said he said something
41:49like I heard him talking when I was
41:50walking up to the door, but I didn't
41:52really make out what he was saying.
41:53>> Mhm.
41:54>> And then I looked to the right where I
41:56left the baby. She wasn't there. kind of
41:58got a little freaked out. Uh walked in,
42:02looked saw the baby right like inside.
42:05You know when you walk in to the right
42:09and there's like uh the banister with
42:11the poles.
42:12>> Mhm.
42:12>> She was like right there. Part of the
42:14seat was hanging over the tile and the
42:15other part was on the carpet. Like just
42:17the head part was hanging over the tile.
42:18>> Mhm.
42:19>> And she was crying cuz he woke her up
42:21with a scream, I'm assuming. But Kyle
42:23picks her up and moves her all the time.
42:24So I got a little freaked out that she
42:25wasn't where I left her.
42:26>> Mhm. walked in, picked her up, looked,
42:29look. She seemed okay, but she was
42:30screaming. Turned around. Bruce is
42:34there. Walked a little bit closer, kind
42:36of noticed what was going on.
42:38And then he was screaming all kinds of
42:42like uh she's she's been stabbed. She's
42:45been attacked. That's when I grabbed
42:47Kyle,
42:49walked up there after Where was Kyle?
42:51>> He was standing right next to me. He
42:52followed me. He I think he was in the
42:54room, but then he when I picked up the
42:56baby, he was standing behind me.
42:57>> Kyle was in the family room.
42:58>> Yeah. And then I like turned around and
43:00kind of like reached for him and grabbed
43:02him.
43:02>> Did you ever did you ever touch Melinda
43:05or try to render her any any aid?
43:09>> Yeah,
43:10>> you did.
43:10>> I touched her foot. I shook her foot.
43:14That's it, though.
43:16>> How was How was she laying?
43:19uh
43:21face down like thisish.
43:26>> When do you touch your foot?
43:28>> When I walked up cuz I thought I didn't
43:30really notice the blood at first, but
43:31then I like that. I kneel down cuz Bruce
43:34was already kneeling down and doing
43:35stuff.
43:36>> What was Bruce doing?
43:37>> He's just by her head. He like touched
43:39her head or something. I don't know. It
43:41looked like he was touching her head. I
43:42just shook her like grabbed her shoe and
43:44shook her shoe.
43:45>> Mhm.
43:47That's when we were yelling, "Call 911.
43:49Call 911."
43:50But that's all I did after that. I
43:52didn't touch anything else.
43:54>> And then you grabbed Kyle after you
43:56shake her foot.
43:56>> Well, I grabbed Kyle and moved him like
43:58right to the left where the bathroom
44:00door is.
44:00>> Okay.
44:01>> Mhm.
44:02>> Then I reached down and I'm like this
44:05cuz I didn't know I don't know what to
44:06do in those situations.
44:08>> Mhm.
44:09>> Mhm.
44:09>> After that, I kind of realized that we
44:10were touching stuff. I told him not to
44:12touch anything and call 911. And then he
44:15was still in there for the longest time
44:17>> when he came out on the phone.
44:20>> You were go outside or something.
44:21>> They opened the truck and put both of
44:22them in the truck and that's when I was
44:23on the phone
44:24>> with the 911 lady. I was dialing it when
44:27I walked out the door and by the time I
44:31said like you have to say city and stuff
44:32first. I said city. Got the truck door
44:37open.
44:38I kind of threw the baby in there to be
44:40honest.
44:42Picked up Kyle. Let him sit down.
44:46>> Did Did you know that that was Melinda
44:48on the ground?
44:50>> You mean did I know?
44:51>> Did you know? Did you recognize it to be
44:53her?
44:53>> Yeah.
44:54>> Okay.
44:54>> When I looked at her. Yeah.
44:56>> Before the night.
44:58>> I mean, who else would it be? She's
44:59wearing her clothes and stuff.
45:01>> Okay.
45:02Jeeoff, when we spoke before,
45:05you said you walked in, um, the
45:07kitchen's to the left, fan rooms here,
45:09and you told me that you looked, you
45:11heard the yelling and you looked at
45:14Bruce before going there. Do you
45:16remember doing that still?
45:18>> Yeah.
45:18>> But you didn't notice her laying on the
45:20ground?
45:20>> No, I was looking for the baby seat. I
45:22was more concerned with the baby cuz if
45:24he yelled like he's yelled at Kyle
45:25before, Kyle's hit the baby and stuff
45:27like that.
45:27>> Mhm. There's been a couple instances and
45:29the fact that she wasn't where I left
45:31her kind of freaked me out. I think
45:32>> I was more concerned with finding her
45:34first than anything else.
45:35>> Okay. But again, you saw him but not her
45:37when you first
45:38>> w
45:40Okay. Um, you mentioned that you were
45:44trying to get in the door and you were
45:45expecting to get in. Why would you bring
45:47Aurora out with you if you didn't expect
45:49to get in?
45:50>> I'm not going to leave her in the car by
45:51herself.
45:52>> Why?
45:53>> It's a baby. You don't leave her by
45:55herself.
45:57Is it raining? It's raining, right?
46:00>> But you're underneath the canopy thing
46:03on the roof.
46:05>> Well, yeah. It's It's a little confusing
46:07when you say you left the car running
46:08cuz you just to get in, but you bring
46:09the baby with you. Cuz if you didn't
46:11expect to get in, then I would just left
46:12my baby in the car.
46:13>> I'm not going to leave. I didn't want to
46:15leave in the car. Is that
46:18>> Is it what?
46:18>> I don't know.
46:20I don't like leaving Aurora anywhere.
46:23Mhm.
46:23>> Unless it's at home with somebody or in
46:26the same room that I leave if I have to
46:28go to the bathroom.
46:30>> When you when you went to the door and
46:33didn't get in, did you try using the
46:34garage code again?
46:37>> What do you mean?
46:39>> When we when me and Bruce were standing
46:40there?
46:41>> Mhm.
46:42>> No, we
46:43>> didn't try.
46:44>> We just knocked and then we heard that
46:46and I hit the doorbell like eight times.
46:47>> Did Bruce ever try with the keys to get
46:49in himself? Uh
46:54I don't know. Maybe I think I was
46:57holding the keys the whole time,
46:58actually.
46:58>> Okay. And neither one of you tried a
47:00garage.
47:01>> Uh, no.
47:03>> Mhm.
47:03>> Cuz I said the garage didn't work
47:04earlier.
47:05>> So, I don't think he was even thinking
47:07about it.
47:08>> We probably would have if we didn't get
47:09let in.
47:12>> Throughout
47:14throughout the day, did you ever leave
47:17the inside of your house? Did you go in
47:19the front yard or backyard
47:22>> to let the dogs out?
47:23>> To let the dogs out.
47:25>> Yeah.
47:26>> Okay. And then how do you how do you let
47:28them out? In the back or the front?
47:30>> Uh whenever you let Joey out, he either
47:33comes back to the door or he goes around
47:35to the front. But I don't
47:37>> You don't have to chain him up. I saw a
47:38long chain there. Does he have to be
47:40chained up?
47:40>> He does. I chain Moose up sometimes, but
47:43if it's just me out there, they don't go
47:44anywhere. Like they'll walk right there
47:46and if I tell them to come back, they
47:47come back.
47:48>> Okay. Well, did you let Moose
47:53>> or Joey out? I'm sorry. I'm confused.
47:56Either front or back that day or
47:57>> Oh, back. I normally just let him out
47:59the back.
48:00>> And then,
48:00>> but if Joey runs away, he'll he'll come
48:02to either door, but he didn't run away
48:04that day.
48:05>> Okay. So,
48:06>> so Joey didn't need didn't need to be
48:08chained up.
48:09>> No. When it's me letting the dogs out,
48:11they listen to me more than I think than
48:12most people. Especially Moose. Moose
48:14doesn't really listen to people.
48:15>> Mhm.
48:16>> He gives Anna a hard time. He sprints
48:18everywhere. So whenever she lets him
48:19out, she hooks his harness to the chain.
48:21>> And was Moose upstairs with you the
48:23whole day?
48:24>> Uh until I left. Yeah.
48:26>> Until you left.
48:27>> And then I just let him like, you know,
48:28the when you walk downstairs, turn
48:31right, there's that one door.
48:32>> Mhm.
48:32>> I just threw him in there and closed the
48:34door.
48:34>> Okay. So when you left that, shortly
48:36after 3 is when you locked him up.
48:38>> Yeah.
48:38>> Okay. Um
48:41and what about Joey? Did he go out the
48:43back, too? Did you let him out the back?
48:45And he won't run. He's a pup. He stays
48:47in the yard.
48:47>> He stays in the yard. Oh, you talking
48:49about Moose or Joey?
48:50>> I'm sorry. Moose.
48:51>> Moose won't run. He'll run around the
48:53yard, but he won't run away. Like if I
48:55say, "Moose, come here." He'll run back
48:57over.
48:57>> Did you stay outside with them or you?
48:59>> You have to cuz if if you let him run,
49:01Joey will run off and we'll get calls on
49:03him because he has his name in my
49:04collar.
49:05>> Okay.
49:06>> And then uh if I let if I go inside,
49:08Moose will freak out. If he looks up and
49:10doesn't see you, he'll go run or he'll
49:11run to the door and get all pissy.
49:13>> And when you go outside, do you have to
49:14go physically go down the grass with
49:16them or
49:17>> No, stay on the deck.
49:18>> You stay with them. Okay.
49:18>> Stay in the deck.
49:19>> Mhm. Was it raining when you let him
49:21out? Do you remember? Did you have to
49:22stay under the umbrella?
49:24>> Well, I don't have an umbrella in the
49:25house to be honest.
49:26>> Okay.
49:27>> I would have just stood up there in the
49:29rain if it was. I can't remember if it
49:30was or not.
49:32>> Okay. I know it wasn't raining earlier
49:34in the day,
49:36but it was raining most
49:38after whatever. I know it was raining
49:40when we left
49:42>> and when I got caught off the bus and it
49:44just got progressively worse until when
49:47we left Applebees, it was only like a
49:49light sprinkle.
49:50>> Mhm.
49:52>> Cuz I put the blanket over her head, you
49:54know, like you're supposed to do in the
49:56books and stuff.
49:57>> Mhm.
49:58>> So that she didn't get cold or wet.
50:02Uh,
50:05>> all right. Sorry.
50:06>> So, you never went out in your backyard.
50:07You never left the patio. You just
50:09watched the dogs in the patio, then
50:10never went to the backyard.
50:12>> No, I don't think I went in the backyard
50:14that day. I might have went the night
50:15before cuz whenever we're downstairs, I
50:18let him out that door and I walk out
50:19with him.
50:21>> Mhm.
50:22>> But that's it. Cuz if you don't walk out
50:24with him, he does he'll either run or
50:26it's like a 50/50 chance to be honest.
50:28>> Mhm. And I do know the night before I
50:30stood up on the deck. I don't know if
50:32you saw it. We have a big laser pointer
50:34because he's a high energy dog. I stand
50:37up on the deck and you we send him
50:39across
50:40like with a big laser pointer. We just
50:42go he runs across and back like 12 times
50:45and after that he's tired and goes right
50:46in and goes to sleep.
50:48>> Okay. Okay. Um
50:51Okay. Uh let me just uh go over a couple
50:54of things with you. Okay. Um, do you
50:57know that there's cameras in your in the
51:01back facing your house?
51:03>> No.
51:04>> There is?
51:05>> Where?
51:06>> On the playground. Deerfield.
51:09>> Okay.
51:10>> And it literally
51:12hits your house. And if you're in the
51:14backyard
51:16to the house to the right of you.
51:18>> All right.
51:18>> You didn't know that?
51:19>> No.
51:21>> Okay.
51:23So, what you're telling me
51:26isn't true. Okay. You went out there,
51:28you put um Joey on a leash for a little
51:32bit. Moose never went outside. You never
51:35stayed out on the on the deck with them.
51:39>> I'm not trying to lie. I'm just saying
51:41that's what I normally do.
51:42>> Okay. Um, so with that in mind, this
51:45camera,
51:46uh, the Thursday before this happened,
51:48someone tried to get into the house.
51:50>> Yes. Well, that camera captures the back
51:52of your house. Nobody came to your
51:54house.
51:55>> Well, then someone was Sir, I'm telling
51:57you what I saw.
52:01>> But I'm telling you what was captured on
52:03surveillance camera. Our officers are
52:05there. They dust your door.
52:10That's all all on camera. Nobody.
52:13You said you He came to the door. You
52:15got to the door and Moose tried to to
52:19get him. tried to get out. Got wedged in
52:21the door. None of that happened.
52:28>> I don't know. Someone tried to open that
52:30door. Sir,
52:32>> Jeff,
52:33>> I'm not
52:33>> You told Listen, you told me you were
52:36face to face with him.
52:38>> His hand his hand got in.
52:44>> None of that happened. None of it.
52:48So, why did you call Why did you call us
52:50and say someone tried to get in the
52:51house?
52:52>> Someone did try to get in the house. I
52:53swear.
52:54>> No, they didn't again.
52:57It's on camera.
53:00>> I'm not trying to. We watched the whole
53:03day, Jeff.
53:06>> Why would you make that up?
53:07>> I didn't make it up.
53:18I don't know.
53:21See,
53:21>> that's the great thing about
53:22surveillance cameras. It's there. It's
53:25live. Our guys are there. You called us.
53:27We're there.
53:29>> Nobody comes to your back. Nobody Nobody
53:32comes to your sliding glass door.
53:34>> None of that happened.
53:35>> And furthermore, did you know I talked
53:37to your aunt, Genie?
53:38>> Yeah.
53:39>> Did she tell you what we spoke about?
53:41No,
53:41>> she didn't.
53:42>> We were there last night.
53:43>> Okay. Did she tell you my conversation
53:46with her?
53:47>> No.
53:48>> Did you tell your ANG that moose bit the
53:51guy and there's blood everywhere?
53:53>> I did do that to make cuz my mother and
53:56father don't like the dog. I was trying
53:57to say that.
53:59>> They probably don't like the dog cuz in
54:00a park pit and they're probably worried
54:01about it's going to bite somebody.
54:03>> Yeah.
54:03>> Well, that doesn't help your dog.
54:06Doesn't help your case.
54:15So, you lied to your aunt.
54:17>> I did. I said that to my parents, too.
54:19You can ask them.
54:21>> Okay. So, that didn't happen.
54:23>> What didn't happen?
54:24>> Someone tried to get your house.
54:27>> I
54:29The door moved and everything though.
54:32>> Jeff, you said you saw a hand. Let's
54:34Let's come. Let's get this part.
54:36>> You saw him run away.
54:38That's what we saw.
54:39>> Mhm.
54:41So, your aunt didn't share our
54:43conversation. So, let me let me uh tell
54:46you a little bit more about it.
54:48>> You didn't get to your aunt until 6:00.
54:546:00. Not Not 4:30.
54:596:00.
55:01There's, you know, I got there long
55:03before 6.
55:04>> No, you didn't.
55:08You were late. You even you texted your
55:12aunt.
55:12>> Just if this jogs your memory, you
55:14texted your aunt 5:00 that you haven't
55:17even left yet. So, you couldn't have
55:19left at 3:00 like you're telling me or
55:22shortly after 3
55:27because you were getting Aurora ready.
55:30>> Okay. That's what I texted her something
55:33that I was on.
55:34>> That's that's the beauty of technology
55:36and and phones and surveillance cameras
55:40because it doesn't lie.
55:42So I don't expect you to remember
55:43everything to the minute. But the
55:46phones, the camera,
55:48I don't need to ask. It tells me exactly
55:51time stamp. So you don't even you're not
55:54even at your aunt's house before 5. She
55:56says you don't even get there until 6.
56:00And then by the time you left, you don't
56:01even have time to go back home and back
56:03to Applebee's.
56:06>> That's what I did, sir.
56:07>> Mhm.
56:13>> Did you ask what was wrong?
56:16>> No. See,
56:17>> cuz I could answer that.
56:19>> No, I Sorry. Go ahead.
56:23>> Okay.
56:24>> I'm sorry. What?
56:31I
56:34>> I saw somebody.
56:36>> Okay. It didn't happen.
56:42>> Jeff, do you know where I'm going with
56:43this?
56:44>> I do, but I'm never
56:45>> Where where am I going with this?
56:47>> You're probably going to say that I did
56:49it right,
56:52>> Jeff. You're telling me something
56:54happened that didn't happen.
56:56Don't you don't have to sit there and
56:57try to jog your memory because it didn't
56:59happen.
57:03I
57:07>> Do you know Do you know what time
57:08Melinda really got home that day? Cuz it
57:12wasn't at 3 like you said.
57:15>> It's whenever she got home. I don't
57:17know. I don't know.
57:21>> Let me just tell you this. It was much
57:23later than what you're telling me. Linda
57:26doesn't come home when you say she comes
57:28home.
57:29>> What time did she get home?
57:31>> Doesn't matter. It's much later than
57:33what you're telling me. So your whole
57:36remember when we first talked, I
57:38questioned you. You looked a little
57:39irritated about how long even at that
57:41point when I didn't know as much as I
57:43know now. And you said you left at 3.
57:46When they came home, you left right
57:47away. You said you didn't get your
57:49answer until 4:30.
57:51And even I question that. That's an
57:52awfully long time to from from uh
57:57Blazing Star to Abigail is roughly
58:01what how many miles?
58:03>> I have never guessed it.
58:05>> Five.
58:07So I questioned it. You seemed you
58:10seemed uh aggravated that I would even
58:12question it. I said that's an awful long
58:13time to get from point A to B, run out
58:15of gas when someone came and helped you
58:1820, 30 minutes after you broke down.
58:21So now not only
58:25is the hour and a half now half becomes
58:26three hours. Three hours from when you
58:30told me you left and then by the time
58:32you get to your aunt. So what happens in
58:35that time frame?
58:38>> I left when she came home.
58:40>> I don't know if I'm
58:42when she walked in the door. I walked
58:44out.
58:55Jeff,
58:57>> sorry.
58:59>> I'm sorry.
59:00>> You okay?
59:01>> I'm shocked. I don't know what's
59:07I saw.
59:07>> What did you What did you How did you
59:09feel when we took your truck?
59:11>> Did you know we took your truck?
59:13>> Uh, my dad told me. He said it was on
59:16the news.
59:16>> Okay.
59:17>> Yeah.
59:21What do you think that? What do you
59:23think?
59:24>> I just figured you took it.
59:26>> You took all the cars in the driveway. I
59:27didn't think anything of it. You
59:29probably dusted everything for it.
59:31>> Mhm.
59:31>> Yeah.
59:32>> Mhm. And we send that to the lab.
59:35>> Yeah.
59:35>> Okay. What do you think that we found?
59:40>> You probably found blood. We've cut our
59:43hands a million times in it.
59:44>> Your blood?
59:47>> No.
59:48I didn't I haven't cut myself in a
59:49while.
59:50>> Who? Well, you said you cut yourself.
59:52You guys cut yourselves all the time.
59:53Who's we?
59:54>> Me and my father.
59:55>> Okay. But you never cut yourself.
59:57>> Not anytime recently.
59:58>> Mhm. Okay.
1:00:05>> I'm sorry.
1:00:06>> This this this is where we're at. Okay.
1:00:10All right. This is your chance
1:00:13to let the weight of the world off your
1:00:15shoulders because I know it's on there.
1:00:18>> I can't do anything wrong. Sir,
1:00:20>> where you're at right now, okay? You
1:00:24could either make this better for
1:00:27yourself and the family
1:00:29or you continue down this road where
1:00:32it's just going to get worse for you.
1:00:34>> Am I being charged with something?
1:00:36>> Yes.
1:00:37>> I didn't.
1:00:38>> Let me tell you this. Let me just tell
1:00:40you this, okay? All right, listen to me,
1:00:43okay? You're under arrest.
1:00:46Hear me out. You're under arrest, okay?
1:00:49For the murder of Melinda Pleskovic.
1:00:52Okay?
1:00:53>> So, why don't you stand up? Face away
1:00:57from me.
1:01:00>> I didn't do anything.
1:01:01>> Do you have anything on you that
1:01:02shouldn't be on you?
1:01:03>> No.
1:01:04>> No.
1:01:04>> No, I don't.
1:01:09I didn't do anything, sir.
1:01:11>> I'm going to read you your rights.
1:01:14>> Okay,
1:01:16I'm going to read you your rights.
1:01:18>> I'm sorry. I can't bend my hands.
1:01:19>> And then we're going to talk a little
1:01:20bit further. Do you understand?
1:01:23>> Do you understand?
1:01:24>> Yes. Yes. I I think
1:01:27>> Jeff, do you have anything in your
1:01:28pocket?
1:01:28>> I'm going to get a different chair for
1:01:30you. I'm going to get a different chair
1:01:31for you cuz we're going to look.
1:01:33>> I have my wallet in my pocket.
1:01:46Did you grab that?
1:01:47>> That's
1:01:48>> what I'll do is I'll I'll switch these
1:01:50cuffs for you. Uh I'll put you in the
1:01:51front so you can sit down more
1:01:53comfortably. If
1:01:54>> you need me to take off my shoes, I'll
1:01:56take off my shoes.
1:02:00Okay. Um, I'm going to take these uh
1:02:05here. Actually, try to sit like this
1:02:07sideways if you can.
1:02:11You comfortable? As comfortable as you
1:02:13could be. Okay.
1:02:16I'm going to read you your rights and
1:02:18then we're going to, if you'd like to,
1:02:20we're going to talk a little bit
1:02:21further.
1:02:23Okay. Do you understand that before we
1:02:26ask you any questions, our duties you of
1:02:28your rights? Do you understand that?
1:02:31Yes.
1:02:31>> Okay. Do you understand that you have
1:02:33the right to remain silent?
1:02:35>> Yes.
1:02:36>> Do you understand that anything you say
1:02:38can't be used against you in court or
1:02:39any other proceedings?
1:02:42>> Uh yes.
1:02:44>> Do you understand? Do you have the right
1:02:45to consult an attorney before making any
1:02:47statement or answering any questions?
1:02:49You may have him or her present with you
1:02:51during question. If you can't afford
1:02:52one, the court will appoint you an
1:02:54attorney.
1:02:57>> Do you understand?
1:02:58>> Yes. Do you understand that if you
1:03:01decide to answer questions without an
1:03:02attorney, you still have the right to
1:03:04stop the question at any time for
1:03:05purpose of consulting one?
1:03:07>> Yes.
1:03:08>> Okay. Do you understand you may however
1:03:10wave the right to remain silent. You may
1:03:12answer questions or make any statements
1:03:13without consulting an attorney. Do you
1:03:16understand that?
1:03:17>> I don't understand that one. So, can you
1:03:19repeat it?
1:03:19>> This one this the last one is you have
1:03:22the right to remain silent. However, you
1:03:24may
1:03:25you may talk to us if you want. Okay.
1:03:27without an attorney being here.
1:03:30Okay. Do you understand your rights?
1:03:33>> Yes.
1:03:34>> Okay.
1:03:36Jeff,
1:03:37>> let me uh let me Do you want to talk to
1:03:40me a little bit more after understanding
1:03:42your rights
1:03:44to try to make this better?
1:03:46>> Sure. Sure.
1:03:47>> Sure. Okay. Uh you can stop the the
1:03:50questioning or conversation anytime you
1:03:52want. Jeff, look at me. Okay.
1:03:56Look at me.
1:03:57>> All right. What happened that day that
1:04:00would make you do something like this?
1:04:03Cuz you don't seem like the type to do
1:04:05this.
1:04:06>> I didn't do anything wrong. I She She
1:04:10took me in. I never
1:04:11>> Right. That and that. Help help me
1:04:14understand. Help this family understand.
1:04:16Jeeoff, when I asked you, does this
1:04:18family get along? You said, "Yeah." You
1:04:21said it's a great family. You said they
1:04:23took you in. Melinda was paying for your
1:04:25wedding. We talked to normal people. You
1:04:28know who you know who's the most
1:04:29exciting about most excited about your
1:04:31wedding.
1:04:32>> Do you know?
1:04:33>> No.
1:04:34>> Who do you Who do you think is the most
1:04:35excited about it?
1:04:38>> Anna.
1:04:40>> Possibly. Melinda. Everybody we spoke to
1:04:42talked about how excited she was for you
1:04:44to marry her daughter.
1:04:46>> I'm sorry. Can we move these around?
1:04:48>> Are they?
1:04:49>> Yeah. I'm like my hands are hurting
1:04:51really bad.
1:04:51>> Sure.
1:04:52>> I'm sorry. Sorry, I can't. It's okay.
1:04:53Hands back.
1:04:54>> That's okay. Let me see.
1:04:59>> Okay.
1:04:59>> Stand stand up for me, Jeff. We're going
1:05:01to push you uh cuff you in the front.
1:05:04Okay.
1:05:05>> I'm not going to move or do anything.
1:05:07>> That's fine.
1:05:11>> I'm sorry that I'm too big.
1:05:16>> What's that?
1:05:17>> Okay.
1:05:19This one.
1:05:21Just bring this around, Jeff. Go.
1:05:28>> Okay. Have a seat.
1:05:30>> There you go.
1:05:30>> It's right behind you. You can sit at
1:05:32home. Sorry.
1:05:36You feel better?
1:05:37>> Yeah. Okay. My shoulder was hurting.
1:05:39>> Sure.
1:05:40>> You want something to drink?
1:05:42>> I I didn't hurt anybody.
1:05:44>> Do you want something to drink? Would
1:05:45you like something to drink?
1:05:47>> I'm I'm okay.
1:05:48>> Okay.
1:05:50Everybody we spoke to, Melinda was very
1:05:53excited for your wedding. Okay. You
1:05:56brought her
1:05:58a granddaughter.
1:06:01So, what happened that day that would
1:06:03lead you to do this? Cuz you don't seem
1:06:04like the type to do it.
1:06:05>> I didn't do anything.
1:06:09>> I didn't do anything.
1:06:15>> Jeff, listen.
1:06:19You can make this better or worse.
1:06:22>> Sir, I didn't do anything.
1:06:23>> Okay. You must have a ton of pressure on
1:06:26you and you you could probably take a
1:06:29lot of this pressure off starting now to
1:06:32do the right thing and help everybody
1:06:34understand what happened that would lead
1:06:36you to do this.
1:06:37>> I'm sorry, but I didn't do anything. I
1:06:40didn't She was basically my mom,
1:06:44>> right? She took you in.
1:06:46You guys never fought?
1:06:48>> Well, you have, you know, like arguments
1:06:50living there. Not not nothing like I
1:06:52>> understand that.
1:06:53>> Been crazy.
1:06:55You don't take your clothes down.
1:06:57Something like that.
1:06:58>> Talking to you like it that you're
1:07:00>> Yeah.
1:07:01>> took you in like one of her own.
1:07:04>> Can I flip my hands around or No, never
1:07:07mind. You're fine.
1:07:13I didn't hurt anybody.
1:07:15But you did. And I want to understand
1:07:17why.
1:07:18>> I didn't do anything.
1:07:24>> I didn't hurt anybody.
1:07:26>> Jeff,
1:07:28>> you have an 18-month-old.
1:07:31>> She's my world. I would never
1:07:33>> your world.
1:07:36>> They wouldn't.
1:07:36>> So, do you want to start? Do do you want
1:07:38to start
1:07:40making this right so you can see her one
1:07:43day or do you want to keep going down
1:07:45this path?
1:07:45>> I'm not trying to go down a path. I
1:07:47didn't do anything, sir.
1:07:52I would never do anything.
1:08:00>> Jeff, did something happen that day that
1:08:02just made you really angry really fast?
1:08:06No.
1:08:07>> Was Was Melinda
1:08:10uh an irritant to you about the wedding
1:08:12or anything like that?
1:08:14>> No.
1:08:14>> Did you guys have words that day?
1:08:16>> Yeah.
1:08:17>> What happened?
1:08:19>> We we talked about little stuff and then
1:08:21she went to the doctor,
1:08:22>> right? But when I say have words, did
1:08:25was there any kind of disagreement that
1:08:28day?
1:08:28>> No.
1:08:29>> No.
1:08:30>> None at all.
1:08:32>> No. Did Melinda ever say things to you
1:08:34that got you upset?
1:08:40>> No.
1:08:42>> Never?
1:08:43>> No. Not that they I've been upset with
1:08:46her before, but never. Never. Angry.
1:08:48Angry.
1:08:49>> Well, I just said ever.
1:08:51>> What were the
1:08:52>> She always She always
1:08:53>> What were the things that Melinda would
1:08:54do that would sort of push your buttons
1:08:56that would just get under your skin?
1:08:59>> Just little comments. like she'd make
1:09:01comments, you know, little insults. But
1:09:03whenever she did anything like that, I'd
1:09:05just go downstairs. I wouldn't
1:09:07>> How would she insult you?
1:09:08>> Just like she'd make comments about
1:09:10weight or anything like that. It's
1:09:11little stuff. Nothing. Nothing
1:09:15>> crazy. I just walk away. I just
1:09:18>> Right.
1:09:22I didn't do anything, sir.
1:09:24I didn't do anything.
1:09:31Chip. Chad. Okay. We We have the murder
1:09:35weapon.
1:09:39>> What?
1:09:42>> What's the murder weapon?
1:09:44>> We have the knife. It has your DNA on it
1:09:47and it has her blood on it.
1:09:52>> So, how is that possible? I
1:09:56I don't know.
1:09:58Jeeoff, listen to me. We've investigated
1:10:01this for many, many hours now, and we've
1:10:04come across a lot of of untruths that
1:10:08you've told us, lots of lies, okay?
1:10:11Things that you've told us that just
1:10:12don't pan out. While we're sitting in
1:10:15this room right now is the time to stop
1:10:18that, okay? It's it's time to stop with
1:10:21with not being truthful. And listen,
1:10:25you're going to look back on this as
1:10:26this was this is your opportunity to
1:10:29talk to us. Okay,
1:10:32>> sir.
1:10:33>> So, put all put all the fabrication
1:10:36that's going on up in that head of yours
1:10:38right now and let's just get to what
1:10:40happened that day.
1:10:42>> Sir, you understand what I'm saying?
1:10:43>> I understand what you're saying, but I I
1:10:45didn't do anything.
1:10:46>> Mhm.
1:10:53I didn't do anything.
1:10:58What happened that day, Jeff?
1:11:00>> I told you guys what happened that day.
1:11:02I left.
1:11:03>> Mhm.
1:11:03>> I got broken down for gas. May God help
1:11:06me?
1:11:10>> What?
1:11:13>> The The good Samaritan that never came.
1:11:16You never went to You never went to
1:11:18Gecko.
1:11:20No, you weren't in Gecko.
1:11:22>> You weren't in Gecko.
1:11:23>> Video again. Jeff, another story.
1:11:30>> Jeff, you're going to feel better.
1:11:33Whatever happened that day, at least
1:11:36giving some reason, get it off your
1:11:39chest. This is your chance to
1:11:41>> I didn't
1:11:42>> to make it right.
1:11:44>> I did not do anything though.
1:11:45>> Do you love Do you love Anna?
1:11:47>> I do. I looked at Aurora.
1:11:50>> Do you love Aurora?
1:11:51>> Yes.
1:11:52>> And Bruce, is that someone that you you
1:11:55want? Is that a father figure?
1:11:56>> They're all family.
1:11:59>> I would never do anything to hurt them.
1:12:01>> Give me the truth so I could tell them
1:12:03and help them understand why this
1:12:05happened.
1:12:06>> I didn't do it. I didn't do anything.
1:12:11I didn't do it.
1:12:14Jeff, do you understand that the things
1:12:15that you told us, not only the the
1:12:19burglary, but the day of that none of it
1:12:21is has panned out,
1:12:26getting money from your mom, your mom
1:12:28knows nothing about the money. She was
1:12:29never contributing anything to the to
1:12:31the wedding. She wasn't even supposed to
1:12:33meet that night. Melinda, who's the most
1:12:35excited about the wedding, would never
1:12:38cancel a meeting about the wedding.
1:12:40>> Sky View
1:12:44took meticulous notes and anybody that's
1:12:47met your was going to be your
1:12:49mother-in-law.
1:12:51All they could say is how excited she
1:12:53was. Melinda's not cancelling any
1:12:55meetings about the wedding, especially
1:12:58four or five days beforehand. She's not
1:13:00doing it.
1:13:03What happened that day that would make
1:13:04you do this? Because it doesn't seem
1:13:06like something that you would do.
1:13:07>> That's right, Jeeoff. I don't think you
1:13:09I don't think you meant to do this, but
1:13:11we we need to know what happened.
1:13:14>> You can listen, you can go a long ways
1:13:17to helping the family understand things
1:13:20by being truthful with us now. And
1:13:22that's that that's the best thing you
1:13:23have to offer at this point is helping
1:13:25the family to have some understanding
1:13:27because you caused the death of Melinda
1:13:30and we know that you did. Um uh don't
1:13:34keep this locked up in your head. Okay.
1:13:36Tell us what happened.
1:13:38>> Jeeoff, tell me right now what happened
1:13:40that day.
1:13:41>> I left.
1:13:42>> No, she did.
1:13:43>> What happened between you and Melinda?
1:13:45>> Nothing.
1:13:46>> Get it off your chest.
1:13:47>> Sir,
1:13:53>> I didn't do anything.
1:13:55>> Mhm.
1:14:00I didn't do anything. Yeah.
1:14:06Jeff,
1:14:08Melinda's death was caused by somebody
1:14:10that that knew her. It was caused by
1:14:12someone in her circle and um it was you.
1:14:20>> I didn't hurt anybody. I didn't do
1:14:22anything.
1:14:23>> Jeff,
1:14:24>> I don't believe you intended to. I
1:14:26really don't.
1:14:28While we've investigated this, we've
1:14:29learned a lot about you as well. I don't
1:14:32know that you're I don't know that
1:14:33you're a bad person, but something
1:14:36happened that day that really uh really
1:14:38got you upset.
1:14:39>> What did Melinda do that got you so
1:14:41upset?
1:14:43>> Nothing. I It wasn't We didn't even talk
1:14:45that much. We talked more about the baby
1:14:47than anything.
1:14:48>> Yeah. What happened that day that got
1:14:50you upset?
1:14:53>> Nothing. I don't
1:14:56>> think you know.
1:15:01wanted to come home and see you doing
1:15:02something you shouldn't be doing.
1:15:03>> What would I have been doing? Nothing. I
1:15:06was sitting on the couch with the baby.
1:15:08>> What I always do.
1:15:10>> Mhm.
1:15:19Okay, Jeeoff, all I can tell you is
1:15:22you're being charged with Melinda's
1:15:25death, and as this case progresses,
1:15:27people are going to look and see if you
1:15:30are cooperative. People are going to
1:15:31look and see how how you behave since
1:15:33you've been charged.
1:15:34>> You know what they're going to look at,
1:15:35Jeff? It's one thing to make a mistake
1:15:38and something spirals out of control,
1:15:40but you know what people are going to
1:15:42look at the most and remember is they
1:15:46want to know why. And did the person
1:15:47show remorse?
1:15:49>> I never hurt her. I would never.
1:15:51>> And we don't have the why. Nobody's
1:15:54going to understand. And you certainly
1:15:55haven't shown any remorse. So, let's let
1:15:58me go back to Aurora.
1:16:01And then when the day of reckoning
1:16:03comes, and if it goes to that, and it
1:16:05comes to a day of sentencing, the judge
1:16:07is going to ask me, "Did he show any
1:16:09remorse?" I'm going to say, "None."
1:16:12She's going to ask me, "Why would he do
1:16:13this?" I don't know.
1:16:17>> But the physical evidence shows that you
1:16:19did it, Jeff.
1:16:20>> And you can't escape that. Not to
1:16:22mention all of the untruths and all the
1:16:24lies that that we already uh uncovered
1:16:27as part of this.
1:16:29>> I didn't do anything.
1:16:31I never hurt anybody. I didn't do
1:16:33anything. I was with the baby all day.
1:16:35>> Okay.
1:16:41the baby,
1:16:42>> Jeff. Last chance, sir.
1:16:45>> Let it Let it out.
1:16:48>> Just let it out.
1:16:51>> I didn't hurt anybody. I wouldn't do
1:16:53that. I wouldn't do that to anybody.
1:16:56Wouldn't do that.
1:16:58>> You know, listen, Jeff,
1:17:01there's nothing you could say to us
1:17:02right now that's going to remove the
1:17:05cuffs. I know,
1:17:06>> but
1:17:08>> there are things that you can say that's
1:17:09going to help you down the line.
1:17:12So, do you want to make this better
1:17:19or are you going to continue this path
1:17:22of just not being honest?
1:17:28>> Just be honest.
1:17:29>> I didn't I didn't hurt anybody.
1:17:31>> You'll feel a lot better when you're
1:17:32honest. Everybody will feel a lot
1:17:34better. Being honest, I didn't
1:17:40I didn't hurt anybody.
1:17:44I didn't do that.
1:17:45>> Where is the gun?
1:17:48>> What?
1:17:49>> Where's the gun?
1:17:51>> I don't have a gun.
1:17:52>> Where is it?
1:17:53>> I don't have a gun. The only guns I had
1:17:57were the ones downstairs that you took.
1:17:59>> Yeah. Well, again, that's another story
1:18:01didn't add up after talking to your
1:18:03parents.
1:18:05Jeef, we didn't we didn't arrest you the
1:18:08night of
1:18:09>> you. You came in here a couple of days
1:18:11later.
1:18:13That was not even neither one of those
1:18:14are interrogation. It was just to figure
1:18:16out who you are. What happened over
1:18:19there? I want to know what happened. So
1:18:21all week long, everything that you told
1:18:23me hasn't panned out.
1:18:27>> I didn't do anything.
1:18:30I didn't hurt anybody.
1:18:32I didn't do anything.
1:18:42So, you want you want you want me to go
1:18:44tell that family
1:18:47and I you're not you're going to let me
1:18:49go out there and not be able to give
1:18:50them anything any understanding?
1:18:52>> So, so they they could sit there at
1:18:54night and wonder why this would happen
1:18:56to their mother, the same person that
1:18:59took you into their home as one of their
1:19:01own.
1:19:03That's what you're going to leave me
1:19:04with.
1:19:05>> I'm not trying to do anything. I didn't
1:19:08do anything. I didn't do anything.
1:19:13I didn't do anything. I didn't do that
1:19:15to Anna. I didn't do that to the roar.
1:19:20Do it.
1:19:26Jeff, you have a baby now. You have
1:19:29You're a grown man. Okay.
1:19:32Grown men take responsibility for their
1:19:34actions. Brothers,
1:19:35>> I didn't do this.
1:19:36>> But you did.
1:19:39>> We wouldn't have put you in handcuffs
1:19:40here and charge you with this until
1:19:43we're until we're certain.
1:19:45>> I I did not do this.
1:19:52>> Tell us what happened to Mel that day.
1:19:55>> We We talked. We talked and she came
1:19:57home and she went to the doctor.
1:19:59>> Mhm.
1:20:00>> Let's start there. What did you talk
1:20:01about? Do you remember?
1:20:08>> I don't know.
1:20:11We talked about talking about the baby.
1:20:13You talked the baby at the count the
1:20:15other day.
1:20:17She counted.
1:20:19You're talking to her. Talking about the
1:20:21baby.
1:20:25I didn't I didn't do anything. Chuck,
1:20:28>> let me help you. Look at me. Look at me.
1:20:32You're 20 years old,
1:20:35right?
1:20:37>> Yeah.
1:20:38>> So, do you want to see your daughter? Do
1:20:41you want to see Anna?
1:20:45>> Yes. But I I didn't do this.
1:20:47>> And do do you know how you can make that
1:20:50sooner rather than later is by telling
1:20:52the truth.
1:20:53>> I am. I am.
1:20:55>> Okay.
1:20:56>> I did. I didn't do this.
1:21:01I didn't do this.
1:21:05That truck that only you drove
1:21:08that has her blood on the night, your
1:21:11DNA
1:21:14in your truck.
1:21:15>> In the truck.
1:21:15>> Nobody. Impossible for that to happen.
1:21:19Stop. Just stop.
1:21:21>> I didn't do it.
1:21:25Give give us something
1:21:28>> to give that to give that family.
1:21:33>> Jeff, don't make us go out there and and
1:21:36you this this is what happened is is
1:21:38wrong and you can make it better. What
1:21:41makes it even worse and more wrong is
1:21:43going out there and not be able to give
1:21:45them answers. They're going to have a
1:21:46lot of questions.
1:21:51>> Don't make me do that. Don't do that to
1:21:54Anna. Don't do that to Bruce. Don't do
1:21:56that to Aurora.
1:21:59>> Give me something that I could go out
1:22:00there and help them. Help them
1:22:02understand because you're not the only
1:22:04one going through something. All the the
1:22:06this great family that you're telling me
1:22:08about, you're going to do that to
1:22:10everybody.
1:22:12>> I didn't do anything.
1:22:15>> Don't make me go out there and do that.
1:22:18>> Jeff, right now is the time to be
1:22:20truthful. Okay. I
1:22:22>> we we know that you can make things up
1:22:24because that's what we've worked on all
1:22:25week. Now is the time to be
1:22:28>> trying to make anything up. I I'm
1:22:29telling you what happened.
1:22:31>> Tell me what happened.
1:22:32>> I did. I told
1:22:35>> Jeff, we don't we don't want to go go in
1:22:37circles about the day because what you
1:22:40told us has already been found to be
1:22:43untrue. So, we're not going back there.
1:22:46Do you Jeff, look at me. Look at me. Do
1:22:50you think that I'm making it up about
1:22:51the camera in the back? Do you believe
1:22:53me or do you think I'm making that up?
1:22:54>> I don't I don't know.
1:22:58>> I don't know what
1:23:02you'll find. Jeff, I don't lie to you. I
1:23:05haven't lied to you.
1:23:07>> I didn't do anything.
1:23:09>> So, the things you're telling me, let's
1:23:11not let's not talk about that. It's just
1:23:13what happened that something so bad
1:23:16would happen. What made you snab? What?
1:23:19What did you get to the point where you
1:23:21felt you couldn't turn around and you
1:23:23did something and then didn't know how
1:23:25to get out of it? What happened?
1:23:28>> I I didn't do anything.
1:23:35>> Don't make me go out there and not be
1:23:37able to answer their questions.
1:23:38>> I didn't do anything.
1:23:50Dude,
1:23:57>> Jeff, listen. We all have emotions
1:24:01and they all happen
1:24:03>> in different ways.
1:24:05>> Something made you something made you
1:24:06very upset that day. Give us give us an
1:24:09explanation for that. Give us an
1:24:11understanding. I told you we've been
1:24:13working on this case for a week now and
1:24:16we understand you. I mean, I don't think
1:24:18you're a bad person. I talked to people
1:24:20you worked with at Berea Schools. Okay.
1:24:23I've done a lot on this. What happened
1:24:26to What happened to Jeff that day? What
1:24:29got you upset?
1:24:31Because people have been telling me that
1:24:32you're not a bad guy,
1:24:35>> Jeff. Nobody in that family has a bad
1:24:38thing to say about you.
1:24:40>> Okay. We just you you have to deal with
1:24:42this now. Okay? And you're not going to
1:24:46get away with dealing with this by by
1:24:49what you're doing right now. Okay? It's
1:24:51time to start talking about it.
1:24:54I didn't do anything. I'm not trying to
1:25:05>> People can be pushed beyond the the
1:25:08edge, Jeff. People can be pushed into
1:25:10doing things that they don't normally
1:25:11do.
1:25:12>> That's what this sounds like.
1:25:14>> I didn't do anything. I didn't do any.
1:25:16She She was not
1:25:17>> What happened to Melinda?
1:25:20>> I don't know.
1:25:20>> I believe only you and her know that.
1:25:23>> I don't know.
1:25:24>> Was Kyle there at the time?
1:25:26>> I left. I left the house. I remember
1:25:29leaving the house.
1:25:30>> I left.
1:25:33>> Was Kyle in the house or was he outside?
1:25:37when he walked he walked inside when I
1:25:40got him off the bus after I had to chase
1:25:42him around for a minute.
1:25:43>> Mhm. And then what happened between you
1:25:45and Melinda?
1:25:49>> Nothing. I walked I walked by her. I
1:25:52walked out
1:25:56and I got in the car with the baby and I
1:25:59left.
1:25:59>> No,
1:26:00>> Jeffy didn't leave.
1:26:02>> I left. You didn't leave. Jeffy
1:26:03>> Jeffy, let's start here because I really
1:26:05want to know this. Did Kyle see this
1:26:07happen?
1:26:08>> I don't know. I don't know. I didn't do
1:26:10this.
1:26:12I didn't do this.
1:26:18>> That's really where you're That's really
1:26:20what you're going to continue to say.
1:26:22>> I'm not trying to continue to say
1:26:23anything. I didn't I ain't hurt anybody.
1:26:27>> Jeff, look at me.
1:26:30Look at me.
1:26:32this family. I'm going to have to call
1:26:34your parents and tell them. You want me
1:26:37to call your parents with nothing?
1:26:40>> I didn't do it.
1:26:43>> Your mom the the the day the day of when
1:26:46you're texting your mom and you're
1:26:48obviously close and asking her for
1:26:49advice and your mom said you didn't do
1:26:51anything.
1:26:53What do you want me to tell her now?
1:26:55She's going to want to know why.
1:26:58Is it is it is it the wedding?
1:27:02>> I don't
1:27:04I didn't do anything.
1:27:08>> What What happened that it would just
1:27:10get this out of control and you just
1:27:12felt that you couldn't
1:27:15>> You couldn't turn back.
1:27:17>> I never heard anybody. I didn't do
1:27:19anything.
1:27:21>> I never heard anybody.
1:27:26Jeff, this had to have been one of the
1:27:28longest weeks of your life
1:27:31knowing that eventually you were
1:27:33probably going to uncover this. But
1:27:35going forward, are you really going to
1:27:37lay there every night
1:27:39bottle this bottle this up and not doing
1:27:41was right?
1:27:43>> I didn't do anything.
1:27:45I didn't do anything.
1:27:50Jeeoff, you did this and your
1:27:51explanation would really help Bruce and
1:27:55Anna move on.
1:27:56>> I didn't do anything.
1:27:58>> Just an under just so they have an
1:27:59understanding what happened.
1:28:01>> Sir,
1:28:03>> come on.
1:28:04>> Jeff, you have you you have Look at me.
1:28:06Look at me. You have a family out there
1:28:09has an 18-year-old handicapped son that
1:28:11needs 24-hour care that no longer has
1:28:14his mother.
1:28:15>> I didn't think it's wrong.
1:28:16>> Okay. I I kid.
1:28:20>> I didn't do anything.
1:28:21>> Do you How would you feel if you didn't
1:28:22have your mother? What would be the last
1:28:25at the very least you'd want to know?
1:28:27You want to have a reason why somebody
1:28:29did something
1:28:30>> and you're going to take that away from
1:28:32from that family from Kyle?
1:28:37>> I didn't do anything.
1:28:39>> Like life has already been so unfair to
1:28:41him
1:28:43and then now this. He doesn't have a
1:28:45mother.
1:28:48Bruce doesn't have a wife. Anna doesn't
1:28:50have a mother. Megan doesn't have a
1:28:51mother. You don't have a mother. Someone
1:28:54that took you in.
1:28:56>> And they're And now they're not going to
1:28:58believe that you're even sorry for this.
1:29:00Is that how you want this to go?
1:29:02>> I didn't do anything. I never hurt
1:29:04anybody. I never did anything. I didn't
1:29:07do anything.
1:29:13I didn't do anything. Jeff, do the right
1:29:16thing. At least at least help everybody
1:29:20understand what happened so they could
1:29:23start the healing and have some some
1:29:26peace of mind.
1:29:28>> It's time to be a drag and come clean.
1:29:30>> Don't drag this whole family down.
1:29:32>> I'm not trying to drag anybody down. I
1:29:33didn't I didn't do anything.
1:29:36I
1:29:38I left. I left the thing.
1:29:42Jeff, do you think we randomly picked
1:29:44you? You're sitting here right now
1:29:46because we've shown that you that you
1:29:48caused Melinda's death. Now all we're
1:29:51asking from you is an explanation.
1:29:53Let us know what happened.
1:29:55>> I didn't do anything,
1:29:56>> Jeff.
1:29:58>> Jeff, we haven't lied to you. The the
1:30:01>> holes that we punched in your story,
1:30:04those are factual.
1:30:06>> But you're not charged with this because
1:30:08because you've lied a lot. Doesn't work
1:30:10that way. We've also shown that you've
1:30:12caused Melinda's death.
1:30:16Now, help us understand what happened to
1:30:18you that day.
1:30:20>> What happened to you that day, Jeff?
1:30:24>> I mean, are you What happened?
1:30:29>> I don't know. I
1:30:30>> Sometimes things happen.
1:30:32>> I woke up.
1:30:32>> Believe me, I understand that. Sometimes
1:30:36we get pushed or things just happen. But
1:30:39I didn't do anything. I didn't hurt her.
1:30:42>> Explain it.
1:30:44>> I never hurt her.
1:30:50I never hurt her. I never did anything.
1:30:52I never hurt her.
1:30:58She She was my mom, basically.
1:31:01>> I've been living with them for a while.
1:31:02Jeff,
1:31:02>> was this planned out or was this a a
1:31:05spur of the moment?
1:31:06>> I didn't do anything.
1:31:13I don't think you planned this out. I
1:31:15think something just happened.
1:31:19>> Never did anything.
1:31:21Never did anything.
1:31:26>> What happened that day between Melinda
1:31:28and you?
1:31:30>> We We talked about the baby.
1:31:32>> Did you call her Melinda or were you
1:31:34calling her mom?
1:31:35>> I called her Mel.
1:31:36>> Mel.
1:31:37>> Mel.
1:31:39I I don't call either one of them mom or
1:31:42dad. That's
1:31:42>> Were you getting stressed out over the
1:31:44wedding coming up?
1:31:46>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:31:47>> Why?
1:31:48>> What was stressing you out about it?
1:31:50>> It's a wedding. It's everything.
1:31:52>> Did you want to get married?
1:31:55>> Yeah.
1:31:56Yeah. But I I didn't hurt anybody.
1:32:00>> We're talking We're talking about
1:32:02Melinda who's dead now. Jeff,
1:32:05>> I didn't hurt her. I never I talked to
1:32:08her that day.
1:32:09>> Mhm.
1:32:14I didn't do anything.
1:32:16>> Jeff, things happen sometimes. What
1:32:18happened that day?
1:32:19>> I didn't do anything.
1:32:23I left.
1:32:25I left.
1:32:32Okay.
1:32:39Jeff, do you realize a few minutes away
1:32:42from talking to the family that brought
1:32:44you in, you want to talk to your
1:32:45parents?
1:32:49What do you want? What what
1:32:52you could do the right thing? And so
1:32:55>> and they want to know why.
1:33:00>> Everybody Everybody would understand if
1:33:02you
1:33:05just just reacted in in such a way that
1:33:08I just got worse and this is where we're
1:33:09at.
1:33:11>> I would never hurt her. I if if I got
1:33:13upset, I would just walk away like I
1:33:15always do.
1:33:16>> I never never hurt anybody.
1:33:21>> We're not talking about anybody, Jeff.
1:33:23We're talking about Melinda.
1:33:24>> Never hurt Melinda. I never touched
1:33:25Melinda. I I walked by her.
1:33:30Was she already on the ground when you
1:33:32say you walked by her?
1:33:34>> No, I walked She walked into the door
1:33:37and I walked out of the door.
1:33:40>> That's not true.
1:33:41>> Well, you just said earlier, Jeff, that
1:33:43you were on the couch with the baby,
1:33:45>> but she walked in the house.
1:33:48>> Okay. And then you said you were in the
1:33:50house for 10 minutes getting ready to
1:33:53go. So, you didn't walk by one another
1:33:56>> and she walked in the door. I walked by
1:33:58her. Jeff, it's gotten to the point
1:33:59where you don't remember even what you
1:34:01said.
1:34:02>> I don't know. I didn't do this.
1:34:05>> Okay. Just
1:34:09>> Come on, Jeff.
1:34:10>> I didn't do this.
1:34:11>> You're You can't be that bad of a guy.
1:34:13>> I'm not a bad person. I didn't I never
1:34:16hurt anybody.
1:34:17>> You never hurt
1:34:22do this.
1:34:24>> I would never do this, D. I would never
1:34:26do this to my baby. You would never
1:34:28intend to. You wouldn't want to.
1:34:31Unfortunately, Jeff, things happen.
1:34:34Okay?
1:34:35And if you want the the worst thing you
1:34:37can do is not let anybody understand
1:34:40what happened. Okay? Listen. Anna and
1:34:43Bruce could have some peace with this.
1:34:46But only you can provide that. Okay? A
1:34:49terrible, terrible thing has happened.
1:34:51Do you understand? Do you understand
1:34:52that?
1:34:54>> Melinda is gone and she's not ever
1:34:56coming home again. She's She's never
1:34:58going to get to to handle Kyle again.
1:35:01Okay. You caused that. You understand?
1:35:04You caused that
1:35:07and now you're going to sit here and
1:35:09continue with this behavior of lying and
1:35:12we You can't let that happen, Jeff.
1:35:14>> I didn't do it.
1:35:15>> This is your opportunity
1:35:17to do something good for a change. Let's
1:35:19switch this up.
1:35:22Stop lying to the police and ruining a
1:35:24family. Maybe you can take a step in the
1:35:26right direction. Okay,
1:35:30this is your chance to do something
1:35:31good.
1:35:33Now tell us what happened.
1:35:36>> What did Melinda do? What caused this?
1:35:39>> I didn't do anything,
1:35:41>> Jeff. Do anything.
1:35:43>> Right now, I don't want to hear those
1:35:45words come out of your mouth again. What
1:35:47happened that day?
1:35:51Come on.
1:35:53I'm serious about this. You can do good
1:35:55here. You can help Bruce and you can
1:35:58help Anna
1:35:59understand.
1:36:01>> Your mom, your dad, help everybody
1:36:04understand.
1:36:07>> Jeff, get it off your chest. There's
1:36:10nothing to get off my chest.
1:36:23You know what? Maybe you just are a bad
1:36:25person. Maybe just a waste of time.
1:36:28>> What are you doing?
1:36:29>> Then everybody will just know that and
1:36:30that's what they'll go to bed with.
1:36:32You're just not a good person. Even Even
1:36:35bad people eventually do the right
1:36:38thing.
1:36:39You're not one of them. Apparently,
1:36:41you're just a then you're just a bad
1:36:42person, right?
1:36:44So, I will go to your mom. I will go to
1:36:46your dad and that's exactly what I'll
1:36:48let them know that the son they raised
1:36:51somehow has zero remorse can't do the
1:36:55right thing given the opportunity can't
1:36:58let your own family their family have a
1:37:01little bit of peace of mind because
1:37:02you're going to be selfish and you're
1:37:04going to sit there in jail and I'm not
1:37:07giving these families anything because I
1:37:10didn't do anything when everything
1:37:12points to you.
1:37:14I I have
1:37:16No worries at all as this moves forward
1:37:20about this case. Nothing that you said
1:37:22about that day is truthful.
1:37:26There's surveillance cameras everywhere
1:37:27you said you were. None of that stuff
1:37:30happened.
1:37:33So, I'm not going to worry about trying
1:37:34to to to figure out why you're lying to
1:37:38me anymore. So you could let your own
1:37:40family wonder what happened to the kid
1:37:42they raised and how he became so bad.
1:37:45There's not many people that sit across
1:37:47here. People do things wrong all the
1:37:48time. But the good people will say,
1:37:51"Well, this is why I did it. I made a
1:37:53dumb mistake or it turned into this. I
1:37:56don't even know how. I wish I could go
1:37:57back. I wish I could go back in time and
1:37:59make something different." You can't
1:38:01even do that. You you sit there you sit
1:38:04there dumbfounded
1:38:07and and keep it keep just going back to
1:38:10bottling it up and being selfish and not
1:38:12giving these families any peace of mind.
1:38:14>> So maybe you just are a bad person
1:38:18and they'll just they'll just have to
1:38:19accept that bad people do bad things.
1:38:25But you're sitting here because the
1:38:27physical evidence is going to show what
1:38:28you did, Jeff. We don't to be honest
1:38:30with you. We don't need a confession
1:38:32from you.
1:38:34>> So that's up to you.
1:38:36>> The the confession in honesty, Jeff,
1:38:39>> we're trying to help the family.
1:38:40>> It's going to help your family.
1:38:43Melinda's family is going to help you.
1:38:46You may not feel that right now. Do you
1:38:48want to lay down finally? Just lay down
1:38:50and like I finally did something right.
1:38:52I'm trying to make the best of the
1:38:53situation. I I want to come home with my
1:38:56daughter.
1:38:57>> I didn't do it. I would never do this. I
1:38:59didn't do this.
1:39:01>> What do you remember about that day,
1:39:02Jeff? About harming Melinda?
1:39:05>> I didn't harm Melinda. I walked by
1:39:07Melinda. I left Melinda in the house. I
1:39:10didn't She said hi. And I said, I got to
1:39:13go. I
1:39:16didn't do anything.
1:39:20I didn't do it.
1:39:32Think about what's happening right here,
1:39:34right now, Jeff, because you're not
1:39:36going to be sitting in this in in this
1:39:38room talking to us. Actually, you're not
1:39:40going to be sitting here much longer.
1:39:41So, um Excuse me. Yeah.
1:39:47Sometimes Sometimes you have
1:39:49opportunities and you don't even realize
1:39:52when you're in the middle of it. I
1:39:54didn't do anything. I I never heard her.
1:39:57I never did anything.
1:40:03I never did that.
1:40:05>> Okay.
1:40:06>> I I
1:40:08I would remember. I didn't do that.
1:40:11>> You do remember.
1:40:13>> You do. You do remember, Jeff.
1:40:16>> I didn't do it. I didn't do that.
1:40:18>> Let me know what happened.
1:40:23I've talked to Anna. I've talked to
1:40:24Megan. I know this family. I feel like I
1:40:27know them. I've spent some time with
1:40:28Bruce.
1:40:30Let me be able to tell them something.
1:40:34Something that will help them
1:40:35understand.
1:40:36>> I didn't hurt anybody. I didn't hurt
1:40:38her. I didn't
1:40:39>> Mhm.
1:40:40>> I didn't do anything.
1:40:45I never hurt her.
1:40:51>> Put it together and tell me what
1:40:52happened.
1:40:53I I left.
1:40:58>> Mhm.
1:41:00>> Her
1:41:02didn't hurt her.
1:41:19>> I didn't hurt her.
1:41:29But you do know Jeff.
1:41:39I didn't do anything.
1:41:47I left.
1:41:50I left.
1:41:55She
1:42:01>> Jeff, I'm just going to sit here for a
1:42:03bit and let you think about this. Okay.
1:42:07You're not in good situation. I
1:42:09understand that.
1:42:10>> I didn't do anything.
1:42:13I didn't do anything.
1:42:17>> Okay.
1:42:19The physical evidence is going to show
1:42:21that you did, Jeff. So,
1:42:25I didn't do anything.
1:42:29I didn't do anything.
1:43:00It's up to you.
1:43:02>> I never heard of anybody.
1:43:08I've never heard anybody. You you can't
1:43:10even say Melinda, can you?
1:43:13>> What her name? Melinda.
1:43:14>> I mean, you can't when you're talking
1:43:16about it, you can't even say be specific
1:43:18about Melinda.
1:43:19>> I didn't hurt Melinda.
1:43:22I I walked by her. I left.
1:43:26She was there. She was in the kitchen.
1:43:28She was talking.
1:43:30She was yelling up to Kyle.
1:43:32>> Mhm. Was she already on the floor?
1:43:34>> No, she was she was talking to Kyle. She
1:43:36was yelling to get Kyle ready. They were
1:43:39going somewhere.
1:43:42I I didn't hurt anybody.
1:43:48I didn't hurt her. I didn't do anything.
1:43:51I left.
1:43:56I left.
1:43:59I didn't do this.
1:44:09I didn't do anything.
1:44:23So, there's nothing you want Anna to
1:44:25know.
1:44:26If I see Anna later today, is there what
1:44:29would you want her to know?
1:44:33I didn't do this. I didn't
1:44:39hurt you. I never hurt her. I never hurt
1:44:44that.
1:45:04I didn't hurt anybody.
1:45:06I didn't hurt her.
1:45:22Never do that. That's an option.
1:45:26>> I don't believe you intended to, Jeff.
1:45:30>> I didn't hurt anybody.
1:45:32I
1:45:36I didn't hurt anybody.
1:45:38>> You hurt Melinda.
1:45:40>> I didn't.
1:45:40>> In fact, you killed Melinda.
1:45:42>> I didn't kill Melinda. I didn't hurt
1:45:43her. I didn't do anything to her.
1:45:49I didn't
1:45:51I didn't hurt her.
1:45:56I didn't hurt her.
1:46:01I didn't hurt her.
1:46:07I didn't
1:46:09I talked to her and I left.
1:46:13I did it.
1:46:19I
1:46:22Okay. Well, see that's where the problem
1:46:24is is is going to be for you because we
1:46:27have shown and we will continue to show
1:46:29that you did.
1:46:32>> Okay. just
1:46:33>> so um
1:46:39what you say from here on out,
1:46:42you know, is is up to you.
1:46:50But I really believe if it doesn't, you
1:46:53know, if if you're not
1:46:57helping us understand, if you if you're
1:46:59not showing any remorse, if you're
1:47:02continuing to be in denial, then it's
1:47:04going to be a problem for you.
1:47:05>> I did not hurt anybody.
1:47:07>> Okay.
1:47:09>> Okay.
1:47:09>> I didn't I left
1:47:12out. I left with a baby.
1:47:23I didn't
1:47:25I didn't hurt anybody.
1:47:29I didn't do anything.
1:47:45>> Why all the lies, Jeff?
1:47:48I went there. I went
1:47:49>> Why all the lies?
1:47:51>> I went to
1:47:53>> H
1:47:54>> I I left. I went I was I went
1:48:00>> What about the burglar at the back door?
1:48:02Why that lie?
1:48:03>> He was there.
1:48:04>> No, he wasn't. That
1:48:06>> That's as straightforward as it gets. We
1:48:08watched hours of video of the back of
1:48:10the house all day. Hours on both sides
1:48:12of of when you said it happened. You
1:48:15called the police. Jeff, we have to we
1:48:17have the recordings. You called the
1:48:18police. Why the burglar story? It didn't
1:48:23happen.
1:48:25Jeff, see that didn't happen and you're
1:48:27sitting here saying it did.
1:48:30You caused the death of Melinda and
1:48:32you're sitting here saying you didn't.
1:48:35Jeff, it's it's time to be truthful and
1:48:37and it worked.
1:48:39>> Jeff, pull your pull your seat up a
1:48:40little bit. Scooch up the seat. Let me
1:48:45show you some.
1:48:47[Applause]
1:48:48See that?
1:48:51>> Yeah.
1:48:52>> Is that your knife?
1:48:54>> I think so. Yeah.
1:48:55>> Okay. Do you see what's on that knife?
1:48:58What color is that?
1:49:03>> Red.
1:49:04>> Blood. That's Belinda's blood. You see
1:49:06this handle?
1:49:08>> Yeah.
1:49:09>> That's your DNA.
1:49:13I heard my my boss talking to you about
1:49:16the the burglary.
1:49:18I'm not going to walk you back there in
1:49:20our bureau.
1:49:22I'll let you glance over there. That
1:49:24camera goes right to the back of your
1:49:26house by the grace of God. Do you know
1:49:28how many times we have a case where
1:49:30we're looking for somebody and they just
1:49:32go right off camera? Murphy's law
1:49:35making it tougher on us on your house.
1:49:38It couldn't be more on your house. It
1:49:40captures your entire house and backyard.
1:49:42That never happened. The dog never bit
1:49:45anybody.
1:49:50Who is that?
1:49:53>> It's It's Melinda,
1:49:54>> right?
1:49:58>> What happened?
1:49:59>> Futily working on her.
1:50:02>> She's dead.
1:50:07>> Who's that?
1:50:10That's my daughter,
1:50:10>> right? Do you want to see her ever
1:50:12again?
1:50:13>> I do. What happened?
1:50:15>> Okay, listen. Let me let me make this
1:50:16very clear to you how you could help
1:50:18this situation. Let me make it as clear
1:50:21as can be. And then we're going to walk
1:50:23out of this room and you're never going
1:50:24to have the chance again.
1:50:29Tell us what happened, why it happened.
1:50:32We want to know why it happened. I have
1:50:34to go out to this family and talk to
1:50:36them. I have to go to your family and
1:50:37tell them. Don't make me go out there
1:50:39and say you're a monster and you're a
1:50:42bad guy. Do you want to see her again?
1:50:44Because when this comes a day of
1:50:46sentencing, you're not going to get any
1:50:49breaks at all. Because you know why? Cuz
1:50:52you're going to keep it inside of you.
1:50:54Do you want to see her again? This is
1:50:55your opportunity to see her again. If
1:50:58not, you're not going to see her again.
1:51:00>> I I had her all day.
1:51:02>> Do you know the difference between
1:51:03premeditated murder and aggravated
1:51:04murder is?
1:51:06>> No. Because I feel that you planned this
1:51:08from the get-go. All that [ __ ] that
1:51:10we went out there, all the stuff going
1:51:11on at the alarms, you got the whole
1:51:12community in a in a in a tizzy.
1:51:16That's you.
1:51:18>> All right.
1:51:20>> So, how do you want to make this better?
1:51:22Do you want to see Aurora or not?
1:51:24>> I do.
1:51:25>> All right. Because I tell you right now,
1:51:29we're going to go after the premeditary
1:51:30murder. And do you know what happens
1:51:32with that? The death sentence. You're
1:51:35not going to be around very long.
1:51:37>> Do you want Do you want that or do you
1:51:38want to do the right thing and see her?
1:51:40>> I didn't do anything. I didn't do
1:51:42anything.
1:51:44>> You just made your choice.
1:51:46>> All right. You You made your choice. Do
1:51:48not blame anybody else but yourself.
1:51:53Jeff, we sit across from people all the
1:51:55time. I'm not judging you based on what
1:51:58happened. I'd like to know what happened
1:52:01so you could help everybody heal. Stop
1:52:05being selfish.
1:52:06And you and you think that we're making
1:52:08this stuff up. We're not.
1:52:11This is your chance to help everybody.
1:52:14Help yourself. Be selfish. Help
1:52:16yourself. Do you want to get out of jail
1:52:17or No.
1:52:19I I didn't do anything. I I left. I
1:52:24left.
1:52:25>> Jeff, I'm not going to yell at you. I'm
1:52:27not
1:52:28>> I'm gonna ask you as nicely as I can.
1:52:30I'm gonna explain this as nicely as I
1:52:31can.
1:52:33>> Jeff, you you right now can do something
1:52:36good out of something bad. You can make
1:52:38this a little bit better. You can't
1:52:40change it, but you can make this a lot
1:52:42better for everybody involved. Be
1:52:44selfish. Think about yourself. Do you
1:52:46want to get out one day? Do you Do you
1:52:49want to see your daughter?
1:52:51>> I love her. She's old.
1:52:55>> All right.
1:52:56Let me ask you this. You're You're
1:52:59telling me you didn't do it and it Okay,
1:53:01listen to me. Look at me. Look at me.
1:53:04You're telling me you didn't do it? Look
1:53:06at me, Jeff. Sorry.
1:53:08>> If the rules were reversed and I was
1:53:10sitting there, I would do everything I
1:53:13can to prove my innocence. Everything.
1:53:16Listen, you're not looking at me
1:53:17anymore.
1:53:18>> To do everything. You know where I would
1:53:20start?
1:53:23I offered you a polygraph, Dillard Day.
1:53:26Take a polygraph.
1:53:28Prove yourself. Prove yourself that
1:53:30you're that you're you're innocent. That
1:53:32this this all this overwhelming evidence
1:53:34is just we're we're completely lost our
1:53:37minds.
1:53:38I'm not asking if you did anything. I
1:53:40know you did something, but I just want
1:53:42to know why. I want to know what just
1:53:44what what spiraled
1:53:46that day, you know, help help everybody
1:53:49understand. So
1:53:51you could start today thinking about
1:53:54when you're going to get out and see
1:53:55your daughter cuz right now don't even
1:53:58bother thinking about it. It's not going
1:53:59to happen. So do you want to take a
1:54:02polygraph?
1:54:05>> My mom told me to ask her about all that
1:54:07stuff. I don't know. I I
1:54:12don't know.
1:54:13>> This is You know what? This is the same
1:54:14mom that I got to call in here. help her
1:54:17understand how a mother's son could do
1:54:20something. And she's like, "Why would he
1:54:22ever do that?" I don't know. I don't
1:54:25know, Mrs. Wilson. I I I don't know.
1:54:28>> Maybe he's just a really bad person.
1:54:32So, do you want to take a polygraph or
1:54:35not?
1:54:36>> You need to talk to your mom. Is that
1:54:37you're telling me?
1:54:38>> I need to talk to my mom. Well, we must
1:54:40be completely different people because
1:54:42if I was sitting there a
1:54:45>> I would be extremely I would be I I
1:54:47would be extremely angry and determined
1:54:49to prove my innocence.
1:54:50>> I didn't do anything. I didn't
1:54:53>> and and and if I did do something, I
1:54:56would jump at the chance to make it
1:54:57right.
1:54:59>> Because I would be selfish like I I want
1:55:02to get out of here. I want I want the
1:55:04least the most lenient sentence I could
1:55:07get. I want to help help people
1:55:09understand, yeah, I'm not a bad person,
1:55:12but man, I did a really bad thing on one
1:55:14day. I can't take it back, but I'm gonna
1:55:16do everything in my power to make it
1:55:19better. And you can't do that.
1:55:22>> Be selfish. Do it.
1:55:23>> I'm not trying to.
1:55:24>> Jeff, is this sunk in? You're under
1:55:25arrest for murder right now.
1:55:28>> The murder of Melinda.
1:55:29>> I didn't murder Melinda. I don't
1:55:31>> Well,
1:55:33okay, Jeff.
1:55:35Well,
1:55:37we don't want to take up any more of
1:55:38your time. Um, we have a responsibility
1:55:42to talk to uh the family, your family.
1:55:46All right? So, you you could embarrass
1:55:49yourself and one of your you'll have the
1:55:51opportunity to make a phone call at some
1:55:52point. You could embarrass yourself and
1:55:54and try to fool mom and and everybody
1:55:57else
1:55:58>> trying to fool anyone.
1:55:58>> You know, it it just it's pretty
1:56:01pathetic.
1:56:04Jeff, when you're um we're going to take
1:56:06you back to back to a jail cell in a
1:56:09little bit, and I want here's something
1:56:10I want you to think about because here's
1:56:12something I found out about you. I think
1:56:15I think your whole
1:56:17mature life, you you lie. You lie about
1:56:21everything. That's what I'm finding out.
1:56:23And I want you to sit back there and
1:56:25think that maybe it's time to it's maybe
1:56:27it's time to stop that because look
1:56:29where it's first of all, look look where
1:56:31you are.
1:56:33Okay.
1:56:35Um, and you're 20 years old now. Okay.
1:56:39It's it's time to stop with the long
1:56:41that's not that's not how you go through
1:56:43life.
1:56:44>> You you
1:56:44>> Okay.
1:56:45>> You know what though? The the one
1:56:46advantage we have for you.
1:56:49Like Sergeant Vana said, you're 20. You
1:56:51you you have you're not you're not 70
1:56:54when you do this and have no chance.
1:56:56You're 20. You could be an adult. You
1:56:58could have a life beyond this with your
1:57:00daughter, but you're not going to get
1:57:02that
1:57:03>> doing what you're doing right now.
1:57:05>> I didn't do anything.
1:57:07>> Okay.
1:57:07>> I I left.
1:57:10I left.
1:57:15I left the house. I didn't I didn't come
1:57:17back.
1:57:18>> Jeff, you weren't even remorseful that
1:57:20night.
1:57:21>> You haven't been remorseful
1:57:24since the time that I met you that night
1:57:26to to now. But I have a really hard time
1:57:29accepting that. I I have a hard time
1:57:33having to for us to have to talk to your
1:57:36family and not at least be able to say,
1:57:39"Man, he did something wrong, but he
1:57:41wishes he could do anything. If you
1:57:43could do anything, he take it back."
1:57:45That is livable. They're they're going
1:57:49to have to heal and move on. And that
1:57:52would be a big part of make letting them
1:57:54do that.
1:57:56your family. Not just their, not just
1:57:58Melinda's family,
1:58:00your family.
1:58:02So, you're gonna make them sit there and
1:58:03lay in bed at night wonder like, "How in
1:58:05the hell did this happen? Why would he
1:58:07do that?" Well, we don't know. Cuz
1:58:10Jeff's going to stick to his stomach,
1:58:12stick to his story, and you know,
1:58:17>> come on, Jeff. Come on. We're right
1:58:20there.
1:58:22>> Okay.
1:58:23>> Man up about this, Jeff. I'm I'm telling
1:58:26>> we're here.
1:58:27>> I never hurt her. I never did anything.
1:58:28>> You are going to feel so much better
1:58:32>> when you just explain why
1:58:34>> I didn't do anything.
1:58:36>> Like, you know, detective, I just I I
1:58:40snapped.
1:58:42>> I didn't know how to get out of it.
1:58:44>> Then I got scared. I mean, something.
1:58:46>> Jeeoff, that knife with Melinda's blood
1:58:48on it that was in your truck and has
1:58:50your DNA on the handle, that's not the
1:58:51only piece of evidence we have. We've
1:58:53chosen to show you that one. Okay.
1:58:58So,
1:59:00saying I didn't do anything to anyone um
1:59:03is just not going to carry you very far.
1:59:07Okay. So, but we're about done here. Um
1:59:12>> Jeeoff, we're not lying to you. You can
1:59:13make it better for yourself
1:59:15>> and someday see the light of day or you
1:59:18can make it worse. and you're gonna be
1:59:20kicking yourself because you're you're
1:59:22making it worse.
1:59:24>> And I just don't understand that.
1:59:26>> That's right.
1:59:27>> And you don't make decisions by asking
1:59:29your mom. Now, Jeff, you're under arrest
1:59:31for murder and you're an adult. You
1:59:33don't make decisions now by asking your
1:59:35mom. Okay? You're beyond that. You're
1:59:37you're way beyond that.
1:59:38>> You already know your mom's answer. It
1:59:41was the same one she gave you that
1:59:42night. You did anything wrong. Go ahead.
1:59:44Give the officers what they want. So, of
1:59:46course she's going to tell you.
1:59:47>> What did you want then
1:59:49>> that night?
1:59:50>> No. What you asked a minute ago? What
1:59:52was it called?
1:59:53>> Polygraph.
1:59:54>> Sure.
1:59:54>> Jeeoff, what would your mom say
1:59:58if you asked her if you should tell the
1:59:59truth right now?
2:00:00>> I
2:00:03I didn't I didn't hurt Melinda. I never
2:00:05did anything to Melinda. I left. I left.
2:00:12I walked out of there. I didn't do
2:00:14anything. She was the only child.
2:00:16>> It would be impossible
2:00:19for you to leave her to be alive and you
2:00:21leave and then the knife that kill her
2:00:24to be in your truck. It is impossible
2:00:27that it ends up in your truck.
2:00:38>> Okay. All right, Jeff. Well,
2:00:43you know, I'm I'm sorry it ended this
2:00:45way. I was hoping for better. I was
2:00:46hoping to bring a little bit of closure.
2:00:51>> I didn't do that
2:00:52>> for Melinda and her family and and your
2:00:54family. And I'm going to go out there
2:00:56with uh
2:00:59nothing.
2:01:01>> I didn't hurt her. I never did anything
2:01:03to her.
2:01:04>> Okay. All right, Jeff. Stand up. Stand
2:01:07up. We're going to walk you back to the
2:01:08jail.
2:01:12>> No, I'm not changing them now.
2:01:21>> Here.
2:01:23And we're going to hang it right here.

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