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1. 0:05Why do they keep coming here? European wars stop when
2. 0:12America takes a side. Negotiations with the US are at the highest level.
3. 0:19He dressed up today. I think our president actually
4. 0:23ambushed President Zelensky. This was a test from the American team
5. 0:28for the Ukrainian team. Each such meeting initially gave
6. 0:32hope. Well, maybe not in 24 hours, but something must definitely change.
7. 0:38This is a path to nowhere. These negotiations in the format they are in.
8. 0:43To understand the negotiation process, we will tell you how it is organized
9. 0:48from the inside. In fact, we are talking about relations between
10. 0:53Russia and the United States. If Trump is emotionally charged and
11. 1:00directed in a certain direction, then he is ready to push either side in
12. 1:06any direction. What do the parties really want?
13. 1:10Is there a new plan? How many points? Who is negotiating?
14. 1:14Let's be frank. Both Vance and Rubio want to run for president.
15. 1:21What is driving those who are driving the process?
16. 1:44Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's motorcade rolls onto the White
17. 1:49House grounds.
18. 1:53Donald Trump steps out to greet his guest on the West Wing porch.
19. 2:01During his campaign, he promised to end the war between Russia and Ukraine
20. 2:06in a day.
21. 2:09President Trump said he could fix it in a day, and that was obviously
22. 2:15nonsense, because Vladimir Putin would only fix it in a day
23. 2:20if Ukraine said, "We are yours, we belong to the Russian Federation, it's
24. 2:26over." And that's not going to happen. A little over a month has passed since he returned to office
25. 2:33, but the war is still far from over.
26. 2:39All eyes in the world are on this meeting.
27. 2:52Trump has established a tradition of communicating with foreign leaders during the
28. 2:56press portion of meetings in the Oval Office. Like no
29. 3:01president before him has done, because he likes to be on
30. 3:05television all the time. And also partly because he knows that
31. 3:11he is the center of attention, and the foreign leader is only a secondary participant in the event.
32. 3:21He dressed up today.
33. 3:35The administration was apparently serious about whether Zelensky would wear
34. 3:39a suit to a meeting with Trump. They said that one could come to Biden in any way,
35. 3:44but to Trump only in full regalia.
36. 3:48Signals were sent to the office of the President of Ukraine that the suit was very necessary and would benefit the cause. And half an hour
37. 3:53before the meeting, one of the members of the Ukrainian team received a call from
38. 3:57the White House asking: "What is it like to be president?" The question
39. 4:01turned out to be a continuation.
40. 4:18Blogger Brian Glen, by coincidence, the boyfriend
41. 4:22of the far-right congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green, who was close to Trump at the time, asks a question
42. 4:27about Zelensky's appearance, literally phrasing it: "Such an outfit does not
43. 4:33correspond to the high status of the cabinet, to which he has the honor of being invited.
44. 4:39Why didn't you wear a suit? What do you mean?
45. 4:42Why didn't you wear a suit? You are in a high cabinet.
46. 4:45Then everything unfolds like in a bad dream. Vice President J.D.
47. 4:50Vance asks for the floor and accuses Zelensky of ingratitude.
48. 4:54Mr. President, with all due respect, he replies: "As a result,
49. 4:59Trump joins in: "You don't have any cards now. With us, you have
50. 5:04cards, but without us, you have no cards." I am very serious, Mr.
51. 5:08President. Did you say thank you at least once for this entire
52. 5:13meeting? Many times, even today.
53. 5:15I think it's not bad that Americans see for themselves what is happening.
54. 5:22I watched on TV. It was very painful.
55. 5:29It hurts because, I think, at that moment Zelensky did not fully realize what
56. 5:34was happening. It seems that he thought he could come and
57. 5:39defend what he thought was the truth, the real state of affairs. But that was not what the conversation was
58. 5:45about. President Trump does not like it when
59. 5:49people, let's say, deny his words or question them.
60. 5:58At that moment, it seemed that Zelensky was going to lose.
61. 6:04Don't forget, Trump is a negotiator on real estate deals and
62. 6:08business contracts. So it seems that he felt that he found
63. 6:14a weakness in Zelensky and decided to dig deeper and push
64. 6:20harder. The reaction that you saw from Volodymyr
65. 6:23Zelensky, I, as his advisor in the past, have seen many times. He is the kind of
66. 6:28person who, if you push him, will push back. Before this
67. 6:34meeting with Trump's worldview, with the views on our war from his team
68. 6:41There were only two options. There was the option to give him what he wanted. And then,
69. 6:49yes, Zelensky would get a handshake,
70. 6:54some positive words about him, but that would be the end of Ukraine. Or
71. 7:01you had to show strength. Well, that's what happened.
72. 7:05The meeting turns into a public brawl.
73. 7:11I think our president actually set up an ambush for President Zelensky. And
74. 7:16Zelensky impulsively went into direct confrontation with the president right in
75. 7:21the Oval Office. This rarely works in the presence of the press, because our president
76. 7:28is a brilliant businessman and communicator. I disagree with him on almost everything, but
77. 7:35he is a master at this. He understands how to use the press. Of course, he
78. 7:41signs documents at 4 o'clock in the evening. The press comes, and it gets on the evening
79. 7:47news. That is, he knows how to shape opinion.
80. 7:56Trump negotiated in front of the cameras, and that is very, very important. The drama
81. 8:03was very important. So he intended to drive the knife
82. 8:08in as deep as possible and take the maximum. In effect, force Zelensky to surrender on
83. 8:16the spot. Zelensky on foreign soil, one
84. 8:20on two, with imperfect English.
85. 8:25I would advise this to any foreign leader and I have seen German Chancellor
86. 8:31Angela Merkel do just that. At least once, when Trump
87. 8:36starts to get worked up, a foreign leader should say: "Excuse me, but I would like
88. 8:41to continue this conversation in my native language." After all, there is nothing more boring on
89. 8:47television than listening to someone speak, then waiting for the interpreter
90. 8:52to translate what was said to the interlocutor, and then listening to the answer and waiting
91. 8:57for the translation again. It slows everything down, makes everything much more boring, reduces the drama
92. 9:04and lowers the degree of tension. For about an hour, I had, uh, a completely
93. 9:11silent phone, and then everything just exploded. Well, maybe 45 minutes,
94. 9:16well, asking who is this, how is this. Well, people experienced some shock and then,
95. 9:21having experienced it, they began to try to understand what actually happened, how
96. 9:26to understand it. And the basic version then was that it was an ambush that was arranged
97. 9:33for Zelensky. Most likely,
98. 9:36there was no intention to bring the situation to complete absurdity, because at that very moment in the next room
99. 9:41they were preparing to sign the so-called framework agreement on rare earth
100. 9:45metals. This document is ideologically beneficial for Trump, because he
101. 9:50interpreted it as compensation from Ukraine for the funds that the previous
102. 9:55American government gave us. And he even wanted to sign it himself. But after everything that
103. 10:00happened, Zelensky was shown the door to the signing and the lunch was canceled. There
104. 10:07was no ambush, but, well, a planned ambush in advance, but a chemical reaction occurred,
105. 10:13when three people with such high
106. 10:19testosterone levels and an understanding of the power of live broadcast
107. 10:25are in such a small area , sometimes things get out of control. In my opinion, it was Vice President Vance
108. 10:32who probably wanted to arrange that scandal. He could have discussed it with Trump beforehand
109. 10:37, or he could not. I think it was a disaster from an American perspective
110. 10:43, a disaster from a Ukrainian perspective, but from Trump's perspective, it was his
111. 10:48personal triumph. And that explains everything. This is not about the implementation of some
112. 10:54geostrategic scenario. Trump was in the spotlight, and Vance was his
113. 10:59accomplice, helping to frame Zelensky.
114. 11:06You know, J.D. Vance has his own political interests. It seems that he wants
115. 11:12to run for president, so he has to use any opportunity to
116. 11:17look strong and put Zelensky in his place. In addition, I think
117. 11:23he is playing to the public, let's say, to conservative Americans, saying:
118. 11:28"You are insulting our president. You are insulting America with your words and
119. 11:33actions." This is a kind of tactic, a political tactic.
120. 11:39It became obvious to everyone present in the room and observers on the other side of the screen
121. 11:44: this is a new reality, a new Donald Trump. And his team, which does not
122. 11:50recognize frameworks and protocols, will stop at nothing and plays by its own
123. 11:56rules that are not obvious to an outsider.
124. 12:12The first person from Trump's team to meet Zelensky was United
125. 12:17States Treasury Secretary Scott Besant. Two weeks before Zelensky's visit to
126. 12:21Washington, he brought to Kyiv a draft agreement on rare earth metals, desired by the United States and undesirable for
127. 12:26Ukraine, and said
128. 12:32to sign it without discussion. Zelensky proposed the agreement as a prelude
129. 12:37long-term relationship with the new administration.
130. 12:41But the idea was refined at Trump's request by Finance Minister Besent and Commerce
131. 12:47Secretary Latnik. Having received a refusal on Bankova, Besent
132. 12:51returned to Washington and recommended that Zelensky not be allowed on the doorstep until
133. 12:57the agreement was signed.
134. 13:04I have already dealt with this little bastard. He is cunning. To Europeans, he is
135. 13:09like a child with special needs and behaves like Mr. Bean on
136. 13:13drugs.
137. 13:16Despite a difficult start, Scott Besent would eventually prove himself to be one of
138. 13:20the most constructive members of the administration for Ukraine. He was timely in submitting
139. 13:25to the president for signature the extension of anti-Russian sanctions and the introduction of
140. 13:29new ones. They would eventually sign the mineral agreement with Prime Minister Yulia Sveredenko
141. 13:34without any pomp, even without television cameras in the editorial office, which suited both
142. 13:40sides.
143. 13:47The catalyst for the explosion during the quarrel in the Oval Office was Vice President
144. 13:52J.D. Vance. I'm talking about diplomacy that seeks
145. 13:56to stop the destruction of your country. Mr. President, I think it's
146. 14:02disrespectful to come to the Oval Office like that.
147. 14:06Vance is an isolationist. I think there's no doubt about that. In my opinion,
148. 14:10from the very beginning, back during the Biden administration, he didn't believe that the United States
149. 14:14should help Ukraine. I think that in this way he demonstrated his
150. 14:19strong disagreement with the further provision of American assistance. I think that in
151. 14:24the broader context of American politics, this will harm Wentz. However, based on
152. 14:29the narrow perspective that he is guided by, he perceived this as an opportunity
153. 14:34to gain Trump's favor, because he probably believed that he also had a negative
154. 14:39attitude towards Ukraine and the provision of American assistance to it.
155. 14:45They say about the vice president that he tries to be more Trumpian than
156. 14:50Trump himself. However, this was not always the case. Trump is a very bad candidate. I think he is
157. 14:57also a very bad person. I think Trump's biggest problem is that he's
158. 15:03successful at diagnosing problems but not offering solutions.
159. 15:09I criticize a lot of what Trump says. I don't like a lot of what
160. 15:14he says. But people are often offended not by what he says, but by how he
161. 15:19says it. Good people shouldn't say things like that.
162. 15:24Senator Vance, in 2016 you said that Donald Trump was unfit for a lowly
163. 15:30position in the United States and that he could become an American Hitler.
164. 15:35I'm always outspoken. Sometimes I disagree with the president, but I've openly
165. 15:40admitted that I was wrong about Donald Trump.
166. 15:44But now he's a loyal follower of the president and the youngest vice president
167. 15:49in the history of the United States. You know, he's young, he has a potentially great career ahead of him
168. 15:55, so he's trying to make his career
169. 16:00turn out the way he wants it to. From what I hear, know, there, see behind
170. 16:08the scenes, he is actually playing the game for the sake of 28. That is, these are not
171. 16:19100% his organic views, what he does. Yes, his attitude towards
172. 16:25Ukraine, even organic, is worse than we would like. But from the point of view
173. 16:30of his views on geopolitics and everything else, he is a chameleon. He wants
174. 16:35to be president. That is, from this point of view, he is a Republican
175. 16:41populist. His path to the top began from the very
176. 16:46bottom. Vance spoke about his childhood in the autobiographical novel "Rural
177. 16:52Elegy", which became a bestseller. Growing up in a rural area with
178. 16:57a drug-addicted mother, bullying and humiliation.
179. 17:02Through service in the United States Army and Yale Law School, he climbed the mountain
180. 17:07himself. The idea that the United States should be
181. 17:10helping someone overseas, and not like himself, the children of America,
182. 17:15is something that I find very objectionable.
183. 17:20Yes, he had, let's call it, a difficult childhood in a fairly poor part
184. 17:25of the United States. But then he went to very good schools and
185. 17:30got into the elite world. He considers himself very smart and
186. 17:37well-informed. So, I think he has a combination of a deep conviction that he
187. 17:43knows a lot and a lack of experience in the international arena.
188. 17:51And absolutely in that part of the world, Russia, Ukraine, the former Soviet
189. 17:56Union. Another participant in the Oval
190. 18:01Office meeting is Secretary of State Marco Rubio. During the argument, he will not say a word.
191. 18:08Not a word. When Rubio was in the Senate, he advocated
192. 18:14American aid to Ukraine. He has also always been consistent in criticizing Russian
193. 18:19foreign policy. He was one of the greatest defenders
194. 18:24of human rights in the United States Senate during my time. He was quite critical
195. 18:30of Russia and China. All this criticism, with the exception of situational small outbursts,
196. 18:36as you noticed, got lost along the way. More eloquent than the Secretary of State's silence
197. 18:42is the expression on his face. No emotion, as if he
198. 18:47were not in the room at all. The photo from this meeting will become
199. 18:51an endless source of memes about Rubio. Here is Rubio, a native of the north. After
200. 18:58Trump declared his desire to take Greenland,
201. 19:02Rubio is the leader of Venezuela, when Nicolas Samaduro was captured by American
202. 19:06intelligence agencies. Rubio is the new ayatollah of Iran. Even Vice President Vance is getting into
203. 19:12this game. When
204. 19:17the TV host Jimmy Kimmel, hated by Trump, is temporarily suspended from work on his official account in ex, Vance jokingly
205. 19:23congratulates the new host Marco Rubio. A selection of the best memes about Rubio is framed in a gold frame
206. 19:31. Signed by White House staff and even
207. 19:36Trump himself, they are being presented to him on his 55th birthday. Rubio says
208. 19:43he doesn't like the photo, but the gift from such respected people
209. 19:48has found its place in his office.
210. 19:59Innate political instincts, the ability to remain silent and play behind the scenes
211. 20:05are leading him to his goal. Rubio will combine two key positions in the administration:
212. 20:11Secretary of State and National Security Advisor to the President.
213. 20:15Before him, only the legend of American diplomacy Henry
214. 20:19Kissinger managed to do this, but his real goal is much higher.
215. 20:24Let's be honest. Both Vance and Rubio want to run for president.
216. 20:29Both understand that they need Trump's support, but they act
217. 20:33differently. In my opinion, in the end, Rubio will be more successful. But
218. 20:38the situation here changes every day. I'm sure
219. 20:43he has something to say about how to proceed
220. 20:48in the situation room and with the president, but he may not say
221. 20:54it publicly. It's also clear that
222. 21:00Secretary Rubio has already given up many of his former positions. He wants
223. 21:05to show loyalty to the president and preserve his chances for
224. 21:10the opportunities he sees in the future. Rubio has something else in common
225. 21:15with his potential main rival in the upcoming presidential election, Vince
226. 21:19. He was also once a fierce critic of Donald Trump
227. 21:26, calling him nothing more than a conman, a fraud, a person who abuses the trust
228. 21:32of others. Trump called him Little Marco. A reference to
229. 21:38Rubio's physical size. Do you all have friends who are going to
230. 21:42vote for Donald Trump? Friends, don't let your friends vote for
231. 21:47a fraud.
232. 21:51This is Rubio.
233. 21:58He made a career out of convincing Americans that he was
234. 22:02someone he wasn't in exchange for their money. Now he
235. 22:06's trying to do the same thing, but in exchange for the country.
236. 22:10Don't worry about it, little Marco. He always calls me little Marco.
237. 22:16Yes, I'm shorter than him. He's about 6'11". And I don't understand why his
238. 22:21hands look like he's 5'11". Have you seen his hands? They're 5'11". And you know what
239. 22:27they say about men with small hands.
240. 22:32You can't trust them. He says, "I'm 6'11", when in fact I'm
241. 22:375'11". And what's more, my hands are small, they're not small.
242. 22:41But that's far in the past. In the peace process in Ukraine,
243. 22:46Marco Rubio will take on the role of an outwardly invisible, but nevertheless very
244. 22:52involved participant. In the public sphere, he will appear
245. 22:56sporadically, often at critical or turning points.
246. 23:05He's a smart person, he's a good politician, and he understands that the road to nowhere is winding down. These
247. 23:11negotiations are in the format in which they are and with the conditions that are put on
248. 23:17the table. That is, he does not want to associate himself with something dead a priori. That is, he
249. 23:24appears when there is an informational occasion, when there is something to say and remind people that
250. 23:28he is the secretary, he is. And if there is a breakthrough, you will see, Rubio will be the first
251. 23:35to put his signature there. His statements are always surgically verified,
252. 23:40because every extra word can have consequences. I think his silence during the February
253. 23:49meeting and restraint in other statements indicate that he
254. 23:53is not going to go his own way. In my opinion, in his heart he still supports
255. 24:00Ukraine, but for tactical reasons he does not see any benefit for himself in
256. 24:05to separate his own position from the president's position. We don't know what
257. 24:10he says in private. I guess he says something, but not too
258. 24:15much.
259. 24:19I think Rubio is quite intelligent. He makes a strong impression, but I work in
260. 24:25an administration where the situation is very complicated because of one person who makes
261. 24:30the decision, Mr. Trump, and because of the unpredictability.
262. 24:35So while they both may have their own views on certain things, they are
263. 24:42careful not to cross the line and not go against what
264. 24:48the president says. In Alaska, there was an offer, but not
265. 24:51an agreement. That's one of the dynamics of the war that has changed in recent months.
266. 24:56It's harder for the Russians to defend their own airspace.
267. 25:00Rubio has always been and remains really sympathetic to Ukraine. And he acts
268. 25:06as a stabilizer, as much as possible in the current American system,
269. 25:10of creative ideas and those aspirations, uh, those who lean more towards the Russian
270. 25:19side. And at the head of that camp, I think, is Jade Vance. But
271. 25:24this is not an unconsolidated camp, everyone plays their own game there. But if
272. 25:28we talk about personification in Trump's inner circle, Rubio personifies
273. 25:34a policy that is more based on the reality of international relations and
274. 25:40the position of Ukraine. Not simply because he loves Ukraine, but simply because he
275. 25:43understands the validity of this position. And Jade Vance personifies those who say: "We
276. 25:49don't need reality. We create our own reality, we need Russia." So
277. 25:55let's solve the issue accordingly.
278. 26:08After the quarrel in the Oval Office, the US disconnected Ukraine from its
279. 26:13intelligence data. Ukrainians began to receive notifications about Russian air attacks
280. 26:18after the hits, and also stopped the supply of weapons.
281. 26:26In my opinion, some of these steps, in particular the disconnection of military intelligence,
282. 26:30were taken by the Pentagon without the consent of the White House. I don't think Vance, Hexett, and others at
283. 26:36the Department of Defense realized that while Trump is an isolationist by instinct
284. 26:41, he is also concerned about the political consequences. He doesn't think in
285. 26:47the intellectual terms of an isolationist, but he doesn't like NATO.
286. 26:52He doesn't like NATO supporting Ukraine, but that doesn't mean he was
287. 26:58ready to tear it all down. I think the isolationists made a mistake early on
288. 27:02by pushing Trump to do too much
289. 27:08. Secretary of War Pid Hexett. Formerly
290. 27:12Donald Trump's favorite host on the weekend morning show Foxy, the Axemen
291. 27:18. Who will win this battle with the lumberjacks?
292. 27:26He only rose to the rank of major in the United States Army. He
293. 27:30never worked his way up the Department of Defense. In the bureaucratic hierarchy, his main
294. 27:35bulwark, the most important spectator, is the president himself.
295. 27:41Guess where Trump is now and where he will be, and get there first. In
296. 27:46my opinion, this is the principle of the existence of Hexet. And it can be difficult, because
297. 27:50Trump has no philosophy. He has no overall strategy. He is not involved
298. 27:54in politics, as most people understand it. So it can be dangerous. And in
299. 27:58my opinion, Hexet made a number of mistakes.
300. 28:02Dozens of foreign leaders, frightened by the mood of the White House, asked Trump
301. 28:07to reconsider the decision. Zelensky sent a letter of apology, which the President
302. 28:12of the United States read verbatim to Congress during his traditional annual
303. 28:18address to the nation. I appreciate that he sent this letter. I
304. 28:24received it just recently. At the same time, we had serious negotiations
305. 28:28with Russia and received clear signals that they are ready for peace.
306. 28:33This turned out to be enough to agree to a team-level meeting in
307. 28:38Saudi Arabia. The United States is represented by Marco Rubio.
308. 28:44Unlike the meeting in the Oval Office, as soon as
309. 28:47the door closed behind reporters, the parties agreed to refrain from political statements.
310. 28:55However, the atmosphere of mutual distrust remained in the room.
311. 29:04I am sure that this was a test for the American team, for the Ukrainian
312. 29:08team. I do not exclude that there was an expectation that we would be
313. 29:14unable to negotiate, that we would say this, we would not understand what
314. 29:20was wanted from us, and we would not hear properly this problem of translation. So the feeling that
315. 29:26perhaps there was some caution, there was, but was it dispelled by the end
316. 29:32of the negotiations? Yes, instead of the planned several hours, these negotiations lasted
317. 29:36more than seven. And it actually seems to me that the American side left there
318. 29:41satisfied with the contact with Ukraine.
319. 29:48As a result of these negotiations, Ukraine agreed to a complete and immediate
320. 29:52ceasefire and received back intelligence data and weapons. Russia, however,
321. 29:58rejects the immediate end of active hostilities. But
322. 30:04Kiev will have to prove this axiom more than
323. 30:10once , which of the warring parties does not really want the war to end.
324. 30:22Donald Trump gave all the men in his cabinet several pairs of his
325. 30:27favorite black Florhe shoes. He likes to take care of
326. 30:33his subordinates as if they were family, and they should respond to him with unconditional
327. 30:38loyalty and efficiency, as Donald Trump understands it.
328. 30:44The new shoes led Mark Rubio into a scandalous story. At public events,
329. 30:49he began to appear in a presidential gift, but the shoes look too big
330. 30:55for him. This became the subject of ridicule even at
331. 30:59congressional hearings. You cannot admit that the shoes that
332. 31:03the president bought you are too big. He gave me a pair of florshey shoes and
333. 31:09they are beautiful. I don't want to talk about it. Your shoes look
334. 31:14great today, Mr. Secretary. And how can you see them? They are
335. 31:19down here. Friends, are you kidding me? Is this the Foreign Affairs Committee or a circus?
336. 31:26This is not a circus. Thank you for being here, Mr. Secretary.
337. 31:29The key negotiator for the peaceful settlement of the war in Ukraine is not
338. 31:33just a loyal friend of President Trump, practically a relative. A time-tested
339. 31:39friend and real estate businessman, Steve Vidkov.
340. 31:45Initially, it was assumed that he would negotiate only with Russia, and
341. 31:51another special representative
342. 31:55, Keith Kellogg, would be responsible for contacts with the Ukrainians. The authors of the New York Times bestseller "
343. 32:00Regime Change" describe Keith Kellogg's role in the negotiations as insignificant from the very beginning -
344. 32:05he never waited for instructions from Trump on Ukraine, tried
345. 32:09to build some kind of his own concept and even made one presentation at the White
346. 32:13House. proposed not to recognize the occupied Ukrainian territories as Russian,
347. 32:19to increase economic pressure on Russia and to send peacekeepers to Ukraine. Trump
348. 32:23listened to him inattentively, constantly interrupted, said that Zelensky
349. 32:28was a bad negotiator, that Ukraine was corrupt and allegedly even joked that
350. 32:33the only thing he liked was Ukrainian women who had won the
351. 32:37Miss Universe contest. After this presentation, Kellogg
352. 32:42never had any influence on the process again.
353. 32:48Putin personally receives Vidkoff in the Kremlin. Their conversations behind closed doors
354. 32:54last for hours. Only short frames at the beginning get into the lenses of television cameras
355. 32:59. But even this turns out to be enough to
356. 33:03understand how inexperienced a political negotiator Vidkoff is.
357. 33:09This was his fourth trip to Moscow. Vidkoff enters the hall opposite
358. 33:15Putin and a group of his advisers. At the table next to Vidkoff himself is only
359. 33:21an unfamiliar woman.
360. 33:25You are an interpreter from the embassy. Later, journalists will find out that the expected
361. 33:31interpreter from the embassy is Vidkof. In fact, her name is Natalia Koshkina.
362. 33:36For many years in the Kremlin service, the American special representative has
363. 33:43neither a trusted interpreter nor an assistant who would take notes during
364. 33:47a long conversation with Putin. This is truly an extraordinary situation,
365. 33:54just like when President Trump was negotiating with Putin, and the only
366. 34:00interpreter was Putin's own interpreter. This simply cannot be. Such
367. 34:05situations cannot be allowed. Perhaps everything can be completely honest and open,
368. 34:12but I had the unique experience of participating in a four-hour meeting between Secretary of State
369. 34:18Kerry and Putin in Sochi. This man is really smart, very cunning and can
370. 34:25make an extremely good impression. Therefore, it is worth understanding what is happening well
371. 34:31and having a person who is fluent in his language,
372. 34:36an American who is clearly aware of our interests, next to you. Putin probably
373. 34:42understands English well, but, as is known, prefers not to speak it.
374. 34:48How many details and meanings were lost in translation. At least one such mistake
375. 34:53led to significant consequences. After another round of negotiations with Putin
376. 34:58, Vitkov reported to Trump that Russia agreed to withdraw from the occupied
377. 35:02parts of Zaporizhia and Kherson regions in exchange for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from
378. 35:07Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Trump, sensing the rapid approach of the agreement, announces
379. 35:12an immediate personal meeting with Putin. This is how the Russian dictator got a ticket
380. 35:18out of international isolation.
381. 35:36The US president's plane number one lands at a military base near Anchorage,
382. 35:41Alaska. But Trump waits until a plane with the words Russia on
383. 35:47board lands next to him.
384. 35:50He was showing off. And this is confirmed by the moment when he reminded Putin that
385. 35:56we are in Alaska, which used to belong to Russia. Trump was walking his own ego, and
386. 36:02also demonstrating to his good friend Vladimir what a good friend Trump is.
387. 36:09Trump looked at international relations through the prism of personal relationships with
388. 36:13foreign leaders. He believes, for example, that if he and Vladimir
389. 36:18Putin are friends, then everything is fine in Russian-American relations, as between
390. 36:23states. This is not true. He and Putin will walk to meet each
391. 36:29other along red carpets to a specially erected podium. They will shake
392. 36:34hands, and US Air Force fighters will fly overhead.
393. 36:44In my opinion, it did not yield any useful result. After all, President
394. 36:48Trump is flattered by such things as red carpets, airshows, large-scale
395. 36:53military parades. He believes that others are also impressed by it.
396. 37:02However, you can’t take Vladimir Putin for granted. He might have liked it, but it did not affect his
397. 37:08approach in any way, since he acts surgically and in the manner he learned
398. 37:14in the KGB.
399. 37:18In my opinion, the president simply assumes that others react to all this
400. 37:23mess the same way he does. Although in reality this is not the case.
401. 37:31In the few live moments of the ceremony, Putin will be noticeably frightened by the sound of the planes
402. 37:40and will not yet hear the shouts of questions addressed to him. Mr. Putin, are you ready for a ceasefire
403. 37:45? Mr. President, what is your message to
404. 37:49Vladimir Putin? Mr. Putin, what do you say about the losses in
405. 37:53Ukraine?
406. 37:57President Putin, will you stop killing civilians?
407. 38:04Trump will drive Putin to the place of the negotiations in his car. That's all
408. 38:10that was squeezed out of the moment for the sake of a spectacular television picture.
409. 38:19These negotiations concern Ukraine, but I am convinced that they are really about
410. 38:24relations between Russia and the United States, because Trump really wants
411. 38:31to restore them. I am sure that he also wants the war
412. 38:35to end, but at the same time he still wants to establish renewed relations with
413. 38:41Russia. I am convinced that
414. 38:46a variety of ideas were considered: investments from the US and Russia, the return of large
415. 38:52corporations to Moscow.
416. 38:56I am sure that this was discussed. But whether any agreement was ultimately reached, I am
417. 39:02quite skeptical. I think it turned out that they were very far from
418. 39:08concluding these agreements and that Putin was not at all interested in increasing American
419. 39:13investment in Russian oil and gas assets. He wanted to get clearer
420. 39:18commitments on Ukraine and nothing really happened.
421. 39:24Neither Trump's usual communication with the press before the negotiations began,
422. 39:30nor even the promised press conference afterwards. Trump and Putin limited themselves to
423. 39:34brief statements that did not provide answers to questions.
424. 39:38We will talk very soon and, probably, we will see each other again very soon. Thank you very much,
425. 39:43Vladimir. Next time in Moscow.
426. 39:47Oh, that is very interesting. The outcome of the meeting in Anchorage was very
427. 39:51uncertain, practically without consequences. And Trump understood this. However, he did not want
428. 39:57to admit it publicly, because it meant admitting defeat, and he cannot stand
429. 40:02to admit such things. So in the end, although from the point of view of Russia, little has changed, it
430. 40:07has bought time and gained more freedom of action militarily in the territory
431. 40:13of Ukraine. If you saw Trump after that at
432. 40:16a press conference, he did not have a face on him. Well, he thought that he would give
433. 40:23business arguments. Then the B2s will fly and Putin will say: "Well, okay, well, I am tired."
434. 40:31But he heard the same thing that all negotiators with Putin have been hearing there for the last
435. 40:37five years. And he realized that now he would lose face and went to do what
436. 40:44Trump does. First, somehow eliminate the consequences for his own ego, and
437. 40:50then vent his anger at Zelensky. Later,
438. 40:56the Russians will try to repeat the trick with a spectacular meeting of the two leaders once again.
439. 41:02Trump will even have time to announce the expected new meeting with Putin in
440. 41:07Budapest. Secretary of State Rubio will convince him to give it up
441. 41:12. For the Russians, Anchoric will become a propaganda myth for a whole year
442. 41:16. Putin's clerks will repeat about Dukhan
443. 41:22corriga. such an expression with an aura of secrecy, as a hint at secret personal
444. 41:29agreements between Putin and Trump.
445. 41:37In Anchorage, Putin will tell Trump that he will soon be able to seize the entire Donbas
446. 41:42by force, but is ready to stop hostilities if
447. 41:46the territories are given to him without a fight. American officials will take this idea
448. 41:54into work, and this will become their main proposal on the path to a peaceful
449. 42:00settlement. Ukraine gives up the entire Donbas in exchange for
450. 42:04a ceasefire. Nothing special is required of Russia, except for
451. 42:09an honest word, not to attack Ukraine again.
452. 42:14His approach to negotiations is significantly different from how
453. 42:19an experienced diplomat or a specialist from the State Department would act. After all, it is
454. 42:25purely contractual in nature. Like, you do this, I give you this land, you give me
455. 42:32that. And so we have an agreement on Ukraine and Russia. But it doesn’t work that way. Putin
456. 42:37looks at the situation through the prism of his obsession with Ukraine. Add to this
457. 42:44his, I don't know what to call it, role as a philosopher-historian.
458. 42:49He says that he reads a lot of books, thinks about philosophy and history. In
459. 42:55addition, he is getting older, he is already over 70. So he thinks about his own heritage,
460. 43:01looks back at the figures of Peter I and Catherine II and wonders where his
461. 43:08place is. The US is getting on the rails of implementing
462. 43:12the Territories in Exchange for Peace project. It quickly stops supporting even
463. 43:18Ukraine's emasculated declarations to the UN. Precisely because each of them contains
464. 43:23a mention of territorial integrity and calls the aggressor by name. And at the end
465. 43:29of November, Dan Driscoll, the United States Secretary of the Army and a close friend
466. 43:34of Vice President Vance, brings a document to Kyiv
467. 43:39that will go down in history as the 28-point plan.
468. 43:45The piquant detail is that it was most likely written
469. 43:49in Russian and translated into English by an automatic computer program.
470. 43:55The simplest linguistic analysis of the leaked text shows that
471. 44:01a true native English speaker would never have phrased it that way.
472. 44:09I think what happened more likely is this. Uzhakov, Lavrov, or someone else on
473. 44:14the Russian side spoke to Witkoff and they came to some kind of general verbal
474. 44:18agreement. The Russians said, "We'll put it in writing and send it to you." And
475. 44:23Witkoff was like, "Great." After all, he didn't have anyone with him to take notes, he didn't have
476. 44:29a translator, and he probably didn't memorize anything himself. So the Russians laid it out in a way
477. 44:34that was beneficial to them. And Witkoff lacked the knowledge to understand that they had significantly
478. 44:39changed the essence of what he might have agreed to. They had made the terms
479. 44:43more favorable to Russia. He takes this written document, probably not
480. 44:48having understood it very well, hands it to Trump and says, "This is where we are,
481. 44:53this is the situation." And only when other people from the American
482. 44:58side get acquainted with the document, not Vitkov and not Trump, do they realize that this was an agreement, if
483. 45:03we use this word in a broader sense, written in Moscow.
484. 45:07After talking with Driscoll, Zelensky will make a television address.
485. 45:13Now is one of the most difficult moments in our history. Now the pressure on Ukraine is one of
486. 45:19the most difficult. Now Ukraine may find itself facing a very difficult choice. Either loss
487. 45:26of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner.
488. 45:31Indeed, in part it was about Ukraine
489. 45:37losing certain territories because they are recognized as de jure Russian, that is, at
490. 45:41the level of some official documents. Something will be recognized by the so-called de
491. 45:45facto method. But it seems to me that both the president
492. 45:52in public statements and the Ukrainian delegation in the diplomatic process
493. 45:56said that this is absolutely impossible if you expect Ukraine
494. 46:00to agree to this. Well, that is, Ukraine will never
495. 46:04sign this, European partners will never support it,
496. 46:08but this was not enough to make it clear that this is a very bad path.
497. 46:13The fact is that already at the time of this meeting in Alaska it became clear
498. 46:21that Zelensky is not breaking. Zelensky is not
499. 46:26breaking for two reasons. The internal
500. 46:32legitimacy of his position is very strong. That is, all the stories about
501. 46:38overthrowing Zelensky, holding urgent elections,
502. 46:43they did not work. And in society, all the indicators of the opinion polls are very clear and
503. 46:49if the mood in society clearly showed that people
504. 46:53are not ready to support, well, support the president in the fact that the rest of Donetsk
505. 46:59The region cannot be given away. That is, this is internal legitimacy
506. 47:03and its external factor was the unity of Ukraine and Europe. According to one version,
507. 47:09the text of the 28-point plan was submitted to the American press by the Ukrainian side. In
508. 47:15political jargon, this means to bring down, to make the negative public, to force
509. 47:22everyone to talk about it and be indignant.
510. 47:27I am convinced that such plans are used to suppress the press in order to influence the result,
511. 47:34determine the conditions and parameters of the discussion and place responsibility on the other
512. 47:39side. They say, look, here is such a plan. What is
513. 47:45your answer? Such tactics are not surprising, but they rarely lead to
514. 47:50a final resolution of the issue.
515. 47:55This plan indignants Ukraine's partners. It does not suit even
516. 48:01Republicans loyal to Trump in Congress. Everyone demands explanations. After this attempt to resolve
517. 48:07the territorial issue, the American negotiators will radically
518. 48:11change their tactics. No, the issue was never
519. 48:14raised in such a way. Moreover, it seems to me that the American negotiators
520. 48:18said that we understand your position, we understand the position of the Russian side.
521. 48:23Our task is to bring it all together. But we also understand that without the will of both
522. 48:27sides, there will be no peace. That's why, uh, they always insisted that
523. 48:34they were offended by the labeling, pro-Russian, pro-Ukrainian, because
524. 48:39they pragmatically assume that the peace agreement should be signed by both
525. 48:44sides. After the fiasco of the 28-point plan at
526. 48:48the next round of negotiations in Switzerland, Witkoff is being reinforced with the new old face
527. 48:55of the Trump team. Well, he gives the impression of a pretty
528. 49:00smart person. It's obvious that the president listens to him. The president
529. 49:05trusts him. He is married to his daughter and has
530. 49:09considerable experience in international business. In particular, he has worked with the Saudis and
531. 49:14others. Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, the husband
532. 49:18of his eldest daughter Ivanka, is a successful businessman.
533. 49:23During his father's first presidential term, they were both his closest
534. 49:28advisors. Kushner becomes Witkoff's partner. Russians
535. 49:33contemptuously call them son-in-law and Vitok.
536. 49:37The fact that he is a smart guy, a very smart guy, is
537. 49:42undeniable. I think that even with my
538. 49:49positive assessment of Jared, Putin
539. 49:53still has much more experience in how to breed foreigners. And
540. 50:03neither Jared nor Vitkov can match them even with their rich life
541. 50:08experience. One of the richest people in America and the
542. 50:12most influential in his father-in-law's office, Kushner is emphatically modest, does not
543. 50:17use the help of assistants. He comes to meetings with a laptop, where
544. 50:22he personally edits the text. Jared is probably one of the best
545. 50:30experts on the details of the process down to the word, sentence, comma.
546. 50:38Sometimes it happened that we personally agreed on the wording with him and he
547. 50:45was always as open as possible to correcting them. If he
548. 50:50agreed and we managed to explain that it would be better to change a sentence here,
549. 50:55replace a word there, and so on, well, uh, rarely do high-level negotiators, uh, participate
550. 51:01in discussing such details. And therefore, yes, definitely not superficial, yes,
551. 51:06definitely very deep into the details. And it seems to me
552. 51:11that perhaps even some of the technical staff of the American delegation
553. 51:15knew the details of the process worse than Kushner. In the Vidkov-Kushner tandem, the roles were organically
554. 51:23distributed. Vidkov publicly admires Putin.
555. 51:30When we retire, we will have a lot of stories that we can remember.
556. 51:34And communicating with you will be one of the best and most memorable.
557. 51:41Kushner is able to ask Putin head-on how his promise to seize Donbas a year
558. 51:46ago differs from the current one. He is a pragmatist, he is about business, he is about
559. 51:54business deals. That is, he is there to, as I understand it,
560. 52:00give Trump an alternative point of view from Witkoff.
561. 52:05That is, they are playing. Well, well, Vitkov, you know, if you have some kind of, I don't
562. 52:10know, sales director and you send him to clients, he
563. 52:15will give you a very optimistic picture, because he has a commission there and everything
564. 52:19else, yes, he will tell you, well, we are one step away
565. 52:24from closing this contract, everything else is there. And Kushner, well, he
566. 52:31is observed, he also conveys something, but, well, his task is to say: "Well,
567. 52:36everything is not so good." That is, to divide it in two, it is his, as far as I am concerned,
568. 52:42tasks in this duo. But new and new trips to Moscow are now
569. 52:47the two of them, but they have not brought results.
570. 52:52This is an extremely unsuccessful approach to negotiations, especially with authoritarian leaders who
571. 52:57tend to stand their ground for a long time and not make concessions. They take advantage of the weakness
572. 53:03of those who seek to conclude an agreement. Those whom the French call a Demadog, that is, a person
573. 53:08who is more interested in an agreement than anyone else. They also know that
574. 53:13the Americans lack patience. So, if the Russians just sit and
575. 53:18refuse, the Americans themselves will make concessions. I think that is exactly what happened
576. 53:24during the negotiations on Ukraine. The appearance of Kushner in the negotiation process
577. 53:29brought more order and systematicity. But despite optimistic statements about new
578. 53:35creative solutions that the negotiators are supposedly considering, the only mechanism
579. 53:40for a solution remains territorial concessions from Ukraine.
580. 53:47President Putin has outlined his line of what he wants to achieve. And if
581. 53:52Ukraine wanted to go to this line, we would have already collected the rest of the agreement. But
582. 53:56Ukraine does not want to do this now. Kof and Kushner
583. 54:02were invited to come to Kyiv through formal and informal channels. Emotional arguments, personal
584. 54:08impressions, the opportunity to see with their own eyes the scars of war and how the country
585. 54:13continues to live in conditions of constant threat. All this has repeatedly made
586. 54:18an impression on Western visitors stronger than any words.
587. 54:24But in the program of American negotiators, instead of places of mass
588. 54:28slaughterhouses and apartment buildings blackened by missile drones,
589. 54:33the United States approved only Sofia Kyivska and official negotiations.
590. 54:39They are not here for sympathy, for an agreement.
591. 54:57A person from Donald Trump's inner circle, the head of his administration
592. 55:00Suzy Wells, in an interview with Vanity Fair, once said that Trump has an alcoholic
593. 55:06personality. Strong drinks are of no use here at all. Trump does not drink
594. 55:11any alcohol. There is simply nothing in his mind that he could not
595. 55:16do. Nothing. zero nothing.
596. 55:26Ukrainian officials who worked with Zelensky at various times have learned this since
597. 55:31the first Trump administration. In the second term, everything deepened.
598. 55:38The route from you have no cards for Zelensky to Russia is a paper tiger from Zelensky
599. 55:45a dictator without elections to I don't know what the hell happened to Putin and in the opposite
600. 55:51direction, President Trump passes quickly and often for no apparent reason
601. 55:58that he will be at some meeting tomorrow or that he does not write depends only on one
602. 56:03person from Donald Trump and it depends on what mood he
603. 56:08will be in, what he will see on television there, what he will read where, what someone
604. 56:14will tell him. And everything will depend on this. If Trump is emotionally charged and
605. 56:21directed in a certain direction, then, well, this is enough for a while, until
606. 56:30some other bright spot, as they say, distracts him.
607. 56:33At the level of the general framework, Trump is very consistent.
608. 56:37He always,
609. 56:40ah, focuses on a quick cavalry charge, either diplomatic or
610. 56:47military. He has an aversion to
611. 56:52long, drawn-out processes. That's him, they don't
612. 56:57interest him. And third, he easily sets deadlines, extends deadlines.
613. 57:04Today he kills you, tomorrow he hugs you.
614. 57:09That is, you have to proceed from the fact that the model is that
615. 57:13anything can change. That is why I say that with Trump,
616. 57:21it is very difficult to change Trump's position in your favor,
617. 57:25but it is even more difficult to keep Trump in the position that suits your interests.
618. 57:34Zelensky is trying to use every opportunity to meet with
619. 57:39Trump, to see him at the Pope's funeral in
620. 57:42St. Peter's Basilica, to fly to the United States or to negotiate on the sidelines
621. 57:49of an international event, often risking running into a new conflict. After all,
622. 57:55the main thing that Trump wants from him, an agreement with Putin, remains
623. 58:00unattainable. However, Zelensky wants to keep
624. 58:04Trump engaged and not let Putin completely take over his attention.
625. 58:14Trump doesn’t follow geopolitics. It doesn’t matter much to him. He
626. 58:18believes that everything is decided by personal relationships. He wants to make
627. 58:24a deal so badly because he wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize. That’s why he’s ready to push
628. 58:28either side in any direction. if he thinks it will help
629. 58:32reach an agreement. I think
630. 58:37he listened to Putin at the beginning of his second term. At least that’s how it was when I was there and it was about
631. 58:42Zelensky. I remember how in one of the phone conversations Putin
632. 58:46spoke disparagingly of Zelensky, calling him just some TV
633. 58:50actor. I remember Putin essentially saying, "Listen, we're going to win this
634. 58:54war." And it would be better for everyone if Ukraine recognized that and agreed to a
635. 59:00demarcation line along the current front. That's actually quite easy to do.
636. 59:04That's where the "You don't have the cards" came from. That came from Putin, and Trump believed him.
637. 59:11However, he believes that the relationship between Putin and Trump during this second term
638. 59:16has had its ups and downs. At times, Trump has felt closer to a deal than
639. 59:21ever. Sometimes, Putin has gone too far. further than Trump was willing
640. 59:26to allow. But overall, Putin has managed to maintain a relatively better
641. 59:31relationship with Trump.
642. 59:36Zelensky has come a long way in his relationship with Trump.
643. 59:43One of his best meetings with the US president took place at
644. 59:47the Mar-a-Lago residence.
645. 59:53This is a private, closed club on the coast, membership in which costs from a million
646. 59:58dollars. This is Donald Trump's house, where you can meet him at
647. 1:00:03a restaurant for dinner.
648. 1:00:08It is probably important to say that for President Trump this is a special place.
649. 1:00:11I am very pleased that there were not many leaders there. Not all of those who were in
650. 1:00:15the Oval Office were at Maralaga. The President of Ukraine was at Maralaga,
651. 1:00:18Ukraine was at Maralaga. I think this is an important signal to be invited
652. 1:00:23home, in essence, because this is a place of power, probably where the closest people gather,
653. 1:00:30where the families of these closest people gather.
654. 1:00:37All journalists who worked at Maralaga were clearly instructed about the rules
655. 1:00:42of conduct on the territory. First, to stay in strictly designated areas.
656. 1:00:48For most of the day, we had to stay in the parking lot waiting for an invitation to
657. 1:00:52shoot. Second, to respect the privacy of the guests. Visitors in
658. 1:00:58golf carts rushed past us to the beach. Well, and very small things, for example, not counting on the toilet all day
659. 1:01:04, because see point one.
660. 1:01:12But during the talks, Trump increasingly became just a host and unexpectedly.
661. 1:01:17offered to have dinner. I got the personal impression that
662. 1:01:23President Trump feels even more like the head of the family there, if I
663. 1:01:28may say so, in the best sense, in fact. Therefore, this meeting may
664. 1:01:32have been less official than the meeting in the Oval Office, but it was very
665. 1:01:38heartfelt. Ukrainian negotiators learned
666. 1:01:42the unwritten rules. One meeting with Trump, one key topic. His attention
667. 1:01:48quickly dissipates. He trusts his instincts more than
668. 1:01:53objective data. There are no permanent authorities for him. World leaders whom
669. 1:01:59he respected yesterday can fall out of the circle of trust or re-enter it. He is
670. 1:02:06sensitive to attention and gifts, and at the same time retains his own interest.
671. 1:02:12And most importantly, nothing Trump says or promises is eternal.
672. 1:02:22Trump likes to think he knows more than his own advisers. So when
673. 1:02:27someone like Putin tells him something, especially if it’s a blatant lie, and
674. 1:02:33he then asks his advisers, “What do you think about that?” and they say, “That’s
675. 1:02:37not true.” He can say, “But Putin says otherwise.” He feels superior to
676. 1:02:43his own intelligence agencies, even when he hears pure propaganda.
677. 1:02:48Everyone knows that flattery helps get what he wants from President Trump.
678. 1:02:54We’ve seen countless leaders, both businessmen and politicians, who
679. 1:02:58have resorted to flattery in an attempt to get what they need.
680. 1:03:07I’ve always felt that for anyone who wants to deal with
681. 1:03:11President Trump, the best approach would be to say, “Listen, you can
682. 1:03:17benefit from this. It’s going to benefit you too.”
683. 1:03:23Behind the rare earths deal and the attempts to negotiate with the United States to
684. 1:03:27supply Ukrainian drone technology are attempts to be useful
685. 1:03:33and interesting to Trump. The Russians are responding with their billion-dollar
686. 1:03:38contracts. It is obvious that the scale of the agreements that
687. 1:03:42Russia can offer is much larger than the Ukrainian ones. And so far we do not know
688. 1:03:48much about them. The press is getting such things as, for example, the sale of a stake in
689. 1:03:53Lukoil to American companies close to the government, the resumption
690. 1:03:57of gas transit to Europe on favorable terms. And here everything is moving much faster.
691. 1:04:02better than with a peaceful settlement itself. That is, Ukraine's resistance
692. 1:04:06is essentially the only thing standing in the way, business as usual.
693. 1:04:14At the World Cup, where Trump sympathized with the other team, he
694. 1:04:19was ultimately happy to present the cup to the champions and stand by them at the moment of triumph.
695. 1:04:26He simply loves winners.
696. 1:04:32The entire experience of the 10th century, well, is much greater than the experience of the 20th
697. 1:04:37century. But nothing. And the 10th century also tells us that
698. 1:04:45European wars stop when America takes
699. 1:04:53a side. And then that side wins.
700. 1:04:58They went through hell. He went through hell. This war. I would like
701. 1:05:03to thank President Putin, to be honest.
702. 1:05:06We do not have such a luxury that America will openly, fully, unguardedly take
703. 1:05:12our side and help us win.
704. 1:05:19Are you also a humanist, sir? Accordingly, the fact that our war is at the cost of
705. 1:05:25terrible, terrible casualties rethinks the entire experience of the 10th century about what
706. 1:05:31combination of allies you need to win a war.
707. 1:05:36Zelensky could have arranged this war many times. He chose not to. We
708. 1:05:41all, I think, in the fifth year of the war, already understand that the only way to play the
709. 1:05:46night or win is to put as much pressure on Russia as possible.
710. 1:05:52Russia has already violated the ceasefire and attacked Ukraine last night.
711. 1:05:55I am not sure about that. Why did you slow down Starlink and Starship
712. 1:05:59for Ukraine? I did not do that. Until that
713. 1:06:05happens, it will be this very bloodthirsty, such a slow process
714. 1:06:12of trying to advance millimeter by millimeter, with millions of casualties.
715. 1:06:19I cannot look into the head of President Trump, but I would say that he does not
716. 1:06:25share traditional liberal international values, human rights and so on.
717. 1:06:33In my opinion, President Trump sees the world as a fairly harsh environment, where
718. 1:06:39there is fierce competition. And if you can assess your opponent,
719. 1:06:46find his vulnerability, exploit that vulnerability, and at the same time
720. 1:06:53strengthen your own position as much as possible, that is the way to go.
721. 1:06:58What do you do to make Putin want a truce? I think he is ready
722. 1:07:02to make a deal, and we have to make Zelensky want to make a deal.
723. 1:07:08Have you forgotten that Putin started the war? Listen, I know a lot of details. Okay.
724. 1:07:16I think Trump wants to come out of this situation with an improved reputation. So
725. 1:07:21when he hears from Putin: "We are winning the war," he says to Zelensky: "
726. 1:07:26You have no cards." If there is a significant turn of events on the battlefield in favor
727. 1:07:30of Ukraine, it is quite possible that he will say to Putin: "You have no cards." None of this is
728. 1:07:36based on US national interests. At the heart of everything is what benefits
729. 1:07:42Donald Trump himself. You're as short as a U. You're stupid and you work
730. 1:07:47for CNN. I can say the stupidest things and you'll applaud. I love it.
731. 1:07:54This is your country, your future, your choices and your decisions, not mine. Do I think
732. 1:08:02my country should do everything it can to support Ukraine? Absolutely.
733. 1:08:08You look gorgeous in that suit, you look good.
734. 1:08:15It's just amazing, it's really amazing what the Ukrainian people have had to go through
735. 1:08:20and what they've been able to achieve. So my humble suggestion today is
736. 1:08:25that we listen to Ukraine.
737. 1:08:37One of the most famous American diplomats, Henry Kissinger, said that
738. 1:08:41being an enemy of America can be dangerous, but being a friend can be fatal. Supporting
739. 1:08:47the United States is something that both sides are weighing up right now. No guarantees.
740. 1:08:54Mr. President