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0:53hello everybody hello everybody Welcome
0:56to skanker's ball
0:58Bears so glad you could be here with us
1:01tonight absolutely
1:04uh we're running a little late we didn't
1:06get started backstage uh until just just
1:09a while ago and we spoke for just a few
1:12minutes Nelly had some issues up in the
1:15horrifically hot
1:17hail of Texas and yeah no power for most
1:22of the day so it's up yeah she's uh
1:25that's why she didn't get to be at the
1:27premiere
1:28uh but we're here we made it
1:32I'm looking at the thermos that my
1:34temperature is now at 85. thank goodness
1:37it's good and calm cooler
1:42so as I'm sorry if y'all can hear the
1:44fans I'm really sorry but I have like
1:47five fans in here oh that's fine honey
1:50no problem
1:52um as most of y'all know uh this case is
1:55uh pretty much cut and draw
1:57um
1:59the most interesting I guess if you want
2:02to call it that
2:03would be leading up to
2:07what happened here
2:09um it's horrific what happened uh
2:12there's no excuse it's absolutely
2:14inexcusable
2:17in my opinion it's unforgivable I know a
2:20lot of people uh do believe in forgiving
2:22helps you
2:25I'm not always that person
2:27some things in my opinion are
2:29unforgivable and this is Unforgivable
2:31it's one of those things
2:35but the case is pretty much cut and dry
2:37I guess what we really need to do with
2:39this case is pretty much let's focus on
2:42what the hell happened
2:45um and led up to this uh
2:48as we were doing our research
2:51we were surprised to see
2:53that it is a bit controversial believe
2:56it or not
2:57it's a torn case
3:00some people truly believe
3:03that Susan
3:06was so failed by so many people
3:11that this was the outcome and they don't
3:14believe it was just because of a rich
3:16man
3:17oh and they don't believe that she
3:19should be facing this punishment that
3:22she should be out free
3:24and say yes and see that's where I beg
3:28to differ I think she should spend the
3:30rest of her damn life there
3:32and never
3:34breathe the air again her son's Camp
3:36because of her
3:38exactly
3:40um
3:41but
3:43there again
3:45um you do have to put into the mental
3:47illness aspect in this case
3:50and that it was there it was evident
3:53there was diagnosis
3:56and they were all brushed on under the
3:58rug you know not by many people in her
4:01life actually by pretty much everyone in
4:03her life and I'm not defending this
4:05skank by no means
4:08however it does need to be a wake-up
4:11call that if you see something or if you
4:14know something about someone and they
4:16have this about themselves that if
4:19anything goes wrong in their life they
4:21completely lose their [ __ ] try to kill
4:22their self and handle things in the most
4:26ungodly way
4:29step in
4:30do something
4:33you know just
4:36be that stepping stone
4:40should have never been left with them
4:42kids alone ever
4:45if you see something say something even
4:48if it's something minor
4:52I'm absolutely
4:55um
4:56and there again I'm not giving her any
4:59sort of uh poor little season cause you
5:01know what's screws of hell with Susan
5:04okay
5:06she knew better
5:09if she was gonna kill herself like she
5:11always wanted to then uh what's up
5:14she's still alive
5:17but the babies didn't have a choice did
5:19they they had no choice
5:22their mother's hands
5:25literally strapped them in those car
5:27seats and watch
5:32knowing what was happening and not only
5:35that
5:36continue to alive for nine days
5:40and she didn't just continue to lie
5:43y'all she even tried to throw it off on
5:46a black person you know
5:49just to just to make it even more gross
5:52the way she was acting just putting it
5:54off on everything
5:56okay
5:57when it was her
6:00why a black person why not just say a
6:03guy a white guy
6:07me off
6:09she gave such a basic description too
6:12that it was like it could be anybody can
6:15you imagine what every poor black man
6:18went through
6:21oh my goodness that was questioned and
6:23pulled and thinking they were the ones
6:25that did it I mean that's horrible wrong
6:29on every level wrong
6:33um yeah the mother should have had the
6:36stepfather arrested right but at that
6:38time the child which is disgusting the
6:42child also had to agree to press charges
6:44can you believe that
6:47um even worse than that the mother
6:49jumped all over her for telling on him
6:52saying it was going to ruin his
6:54reputation
6:56the mother
6:59and it's not like the mother was saying
7:01no he didn't do that no because he
7:03admitted doing it
7:06but she jumped on Susan no you shouldn't
7:09have done that like look what you've
7:11done to our family that's why she was
7:12tripping out when David was um
7:15threatening
7:17to tell everyone that she was still
7:20sleeping with her stepfather and yes by
7:22the way David did know she was sleeping
7:24with her stepfather
7:28um he knew that
7:29he comes to the house and make him leave
7:34so he could be with her
7:36yeah and it was just
7:38explain that
7:40you know and um David's admitted he did
7:43he admitted himself he was a lousy
7:45husband and I have to agree with him
7:48but he was a good father
7:51and I believe he was and he did love his
7:53sons
7:55seeing that their divorce was Final of
7:58probably a week or two before she'd done
8:01this I wished he had have asked for
8:04custody of the kids but
8:07um he didn't
8:08he allowed her to have custody and he
8:12just of course wanted the visitations on
8:15the weekend
8:17um
8:18she did not need custody of those kids
8:21absolutely not
8:24um I'm sorry all my birds
8:27and mind you remember she would tell him
8:31ways she thought about silencing her
8:35children by smothering with pillows
8:38drowning them she would say these things
8:42foreshadowing that she wanted to unalive
8:46her children and he laughed it off as oh
8:49she was just joking she'd never hurt the
8:52kids if somebody comes to me and tells
8:54me oh I think I'm gonna smother my child
8:58but I'm gonna take that seriously that's
9:01not a funny joke that's nothing to joke
9:04about
9:05no and she did I know we all say oh my
9:08gosh my kids are driving me crazy I'm
9:10gonna
9:11golly I'm gonna just beat the [ __ ] out
9:13of you know people do get aggravated but
9:18when you talk about you're gonna kill
9:20them that's not
9:23normal by any
9:25me absolutely not and she also told one
9:29of the co-workers I wonder what my life
9:31would be like without children you know
9:34I would love to be with Tom but you know
9:36that's never going to happen because of
9:39my kids I mean come on
9:43there's a flag
9:46especially when somebody that has
9:50as much
9:51instability as she does and back
9:54background there's there's there's
9:56suicides everywhere on both sides of
9:58those families it's terrible
10:01all she had to do was walk in set the
10:05kids down like my brother-in-law's
10:09ex-wife did my brother my brother-in-law
10:12and my sister moved to Florida to be
10:14closer to his kids because his ex-wife
10:17took off with the kids
10:19they were literally unpacking their
10:21moving van moving stuff into their house
10:24the woman showed up with backpacks their
10:29clothes that they had on and another
10:31duffel bag full of stuff she set them
10:35all the kids bags everything on the curb
10:39they're yours now I'm done
10:42all I want is the vehicle and you pay it
10:45off and they're yours and she got in her
10:49car and drove away and those boys never
10:52saw her again
10:54well you know that that's what should be
10:57done that is how it should be handled
11:00I mean if they're just like with say
11:02Chris Watts just give them to someone
11:05that wants and loves them sign your
11:07rights away
11:09don't just take it in your own hands to
11:11get rid of your kids that's disgusting
11:13and they're it's Unforgivable
11:17amen
11:25so uh Dave do you have anything to say
11:27about it before we start this little
11:29Club
11:30no I'm good you guys are talking pretty
11:33much everything I was gonna say so yeah
11:35okay well y'all we put together a clip
11:39as usual for skanker's fall it kind of
11:41goes back into the case and we're gonna
11:44listen to that we'll probably stop here
11:46and there and talk about it a little bit
11:47and that way my birds can calm down
11:49while we're listening to this it's very
11:51interesting and after it's over you know
11:54we got a letter that Mac J sent us we're
11:57going to look at and I'm also going to
11:59make public the closing arguments we'll
12:02talk about that in a minute but let's
12:04get started watching this uh clip here
12:07and it'll it's gonna kind of fill you in
12:11on uh some loose ends in the case that
12:14you may have forgotten about if you
12:16already know the case
12:25the Union County Sheriff says Smith is
12:27repentant and heartbroken her car was
12:30pulled from a murky Lake Thursday the
12:32bodies of the boys were strapped in the
12:34back seat and autopsy revealed the boys
12:36were not killed beforehand they drowned
12:39places they said no we didn't have time
12:41because they were in car seats and it
12:43was going to take time for me to get my
12:45car seat and the ladies tell me I said
12:47but I won't hurt
12:49but he had to go and then
12:52my big thing is they were screaming
12:55hollering and crying and
12:58I'm just scared that he just lost his
13:00patience or something please to the guy
13:03to the man me and my wife plead to him
13:06to please return our children to us
13:08safely and unharmed
13:11we love our children very much and we
13:13want them returned to us safe and sound
13:15pray even now for their safe return
13:17thank you
13:21was last seen wearing a red and white
13:24striped outfit and a blue and red coat
13:26[Music]
13:31an investigation where the suspect is
13:33unknown or you don't know where his
13:35flower will turn up there's not a lot
13:37more than you can do is take the
13:39complaints follow up on them develop
13:41your leads develop your suspects and
13:42rule them out one at a time it's slow
13:44moving I can't I have to apologize
13:46there's nothing more that can be done
13:47for that but like I say it's a classic
13:50investigation that could not be run any
13:51different anywhere else
13:54[Music]
13:56with all for them and that they are
13:58being taken care of and that they are
14:00safe
14:01that they will return home safely
14:05I want to say to my baby
14:10your mama loves you so much and your
14:13daddy is this whole family love you so
14:15much
14:17and you guys have got to be strong
14:21because you are we I just know I just
14:25feel in my heart it's okay she's got to
14:28take care of each other
14:30Susan yesterday I know authorities
14:33searched your house inside outside
14:34underneath were you there at the time
14:37and do you know what they were looking
14:39for
14:40uh no ma'am was not there and I do not
14:44know I I did agree uh sign a form for
14:48them to do that I was aware they were
14:49going to do that and I understand that's
14:52just one of the
14:54normalities they have to do in any
14:56investigation source is close to the
14:59investigation Susan uh have told NBC
15:02news that federal agents are focusing in
15:04fact on the relationship between you and
15:06Mitchell Sinclair that the man that you
15:09were going to visit that night the man
15:11you said you were going to visit with
15:12your children uh they've told NBC that
15:15there were inconsistencies in your
15:18stories do you know what inconsistencies
15:20they were referring to uh no ma'am I
15:24really do not know that
15:25um but I would like to say
15:30okay I'm gonna cut in here inside just
15:32in case some of you haven't read the
15:33book
15:34the mini books in this case
15:37um during this whole nine days that she
15:39was
15:39um
15:40carrying on this facade they were
15:43staying with her parents well her mother
15:46and stepdad
15:48they weren't together when this happened
15:50David was living in an apartment
15:53um you know he had left them
15:58Susan and the kids and Susan was
16:00bringing the kids to Winn-Dixie uh to
16:03see David about every evening after she
16:06picked him up from daycare but that's
16:08one evening that she didn't
16:11but yeah just just to make that clear
16:13they they were staying with her family
16:17and um the Mitchell guy that Katie
16:20Couric just asked her about and the
16:23inconsistencies in her first story she
16:25said that's where she was going and
16:28that's why she was sitting at that red
16:29light that wasn't a red light come to
16:32find out but
16:34um that guy said no she wasn't coming
16:37over there he didn't even know anything
16:39about it and he hadn't even been staying
16:41at that house
16:42so yeah
16:44that's when she changed her story of
16:46course after she fell her polygraph test
16:48but
16:50just thought I would cut in and kind of
16:53let you know that in case you didn't a
16:55lot of people thinks that those two were
16:57together when this happened not if not
17:00true they they weren't but
17:03um they did end up coming together and
17:05both of them staying with her mom and
17:08stepfather
17:09um
17:10yeah that and yeah she was still having
17:13a
17:14sexual relations with her stepfather
17:17yeah that was a city worker in the
17:19engineering department came forward and
17:22said that that light only changes red
17:24when other cars are coming from the
17:27opposite direction
17:28so that light was always green so as
17:31soon as she heard that she changed her
17:33story
17:34a street 10 miles away you know yeah
17:38yeah 10 miles away so how can you
17:41at Rome pretty bad they already know she
17:43was lying you know she was just coming
17:46up with all this
17:47whatever and then after nine days you
17:50know she told David they were still at
17:52her mom and stepdad's house and she told
17:55David he was still in bed and she said
17:57I'm gonna go
17:58um put this letter in the post office
18:01and he said all right then and he was
18:04watching TV later and that's when he
18:06found out she had confessed
18:09um so he wasn't there he didn't have a
18:12clue of anything until he actually saw
18:14it on TV himself
18:17and he was at her parents house when he
18:20found out
18:23I don't know bottom to me it sounds like
18:26both were players
18:29you're there and sleeping all over the
18:31place and the only reason why they had
18:34to get together is I guess he thought he
18:36was doing the right thing when she got
18:37pregnant exactly he only married her
18:40because of the kids but his family was
18:43completely against Big Time against them
18:46getting married they did not want them
18:48to be married he even stated that in his
18:51book and that's his parents it's really
18:53not happy yeah and that was because of
18:56her religion you know his religion was a
19:00stronghold big time uh Jehovah's
19:03Witnesses and it and it was so bad and
19:06to the point that his mother wouldn't
19:09even walk into the church for the
19:11wedding because she said that she would
19:13not walk into a Methodist Church
19:16um and they got married in the same
19:19church that
19:21um
19:22David's brother
19:24was uh that his funeral was held there
19:26just soon I mean what was it 11 days
19:31before they got married his his brother
19:33passed away with complications of
19:35Crohn's Disease and um his mom wouldn't
19:38walk in the church when her son for his
19:41funeral then she wouldn't walk in the
19:43church later for uh the baby's funeral
19:46either she stood on the outside of the
19:49church because she's not going to walk
19:51into
19:52a Methodist Church she's Jehovah's
19:55Witness and she will not do it even
19:57though it's her grandchildren and even
19:58her son's funerals she's not going to do
20:01it that's I found that very
20:04I don't know just
20:06buried yeah very telling
20:10when they first got married and they
20:12moved us David was living with his great
20:15grandmother because he had left the
20:17Jehovah's Witness religion when he was
20:1916 and his mom just wasn't having it
20:22kicked him out of the house and he moved
20:24across the road and with his great
20:26grandmother and when him and Susan got
20:28married they moved of course she moved
20:31in with him and his great-grandmother's
20:34his great grandmother was had pictures
20:37of David all over the house with several
20:39of different ex-girlfriends and things
20:41like that
20:42and Susan did ask David to ask her she
20:46would please take those down and maybe
20:48put up their wedding pictures and to
20:50which she absolutely refused and David
20:52said no I mean these are her pictures
20:54her house you know just don't look at
20:56them
20:57um
20:59Susan also walked in the bedroom uh not
21:02long after they got married and found
21:05um David's dad stretched out in the
21:07floor where he had tried to commit
21:09suicide because you know he just
21:12couldn't handle that his sign
21:14uh the one that thou with crohn's
21:16disease had passed you know just a few
21:18months he just couldn't get over it so
21:21he tried to commit suicides Susan found
21:23him this is all at the great
21:25grandmother's house
21:26um
21:28then when Michael right before Michael
21:29was born
21:31um Susan said you know let's let's get
21:33our own place you know so they save
21:35money her parents co-signed with them to
21:38buy that little house they had
21:41um
21:42so in case a lot of you know haven't
21:44read the books and and deep dove into
21:46the case
21:47um that's that's just kind of putting a
21:49little bit of the information out there
21:50I do believe background
21:52and leading up to
21:55um is important in any case and I know
21:58there are some cases that if you start
22:00touching on background or anything like
22:02that you're just the worst person in the
22:03world but I personally believe that you
22:06need to know the case as a whole and not
22:09just
22:09the events yeah you have to know what
22:12happened what the person was what led
22:15the person to become the way they became
22:18because a lot of it happens in their
22:20past in their childhood in their teens
22:23and adolescents yeah it leads to
22:27a lot of times it leads to what happens
22:30in the future yes and it gives you an
22:34insight as to what's going what was
22:36going through this person's mind when
22:39they did what they did yes it helps give
22:42you that answer as to why what the heck
22:46you know I mean and I know a lot of
22:49times we never know the why because
22:52we're not actually in their heads
22:55but it going back and researching
22:58everything kind of gives you a glimpse
23:00as to maybe this is why this happened
23:03and this is this path chosen is what
23:07made this happen it's just
23:10I don't know it just helps gives you
23:12insight into the to the many people that
23:15are involved in this case
23:17many times I mean you do have cases like
23:21um I don't know for example I I can say
23:24uh we use Carla pamoca right it did
23:27appear that her um childhood was fine
23:30you know and come from a great family
23:31and all this other kinds of things and
23:33and she's just you know she ended up
23:36being
23:39he was it's like some people are just
23:42born that way it's almost like from
23:45that's just who they're gonna be you
23:47know no matter how they're raised or
23:49anything else
23:51it just happens but sometimes you can
23:53look back into the back and see what a
23:56train wreck
23:57um everything was leading up to that
23:59point and you're like there's no way it
24:01couldn't have played a role in this
24:02person's stability in life you know
24:07and I know the death penalty is a touchy
24:11subject for people
24:13but I myself personally don't come for
24:17me but I do believe in the death penalty
24:20oh I do too I believe that if you're
24:23gonna do something that heinous then you
24:26deserve to be murdered be executed
24:29yourself
24:30and people say oh no them being in jail
24:33for life they have to think about what
24:35they did do you think they honestly give
24:37two shits what they did they're not
24:40gonna think about what they did because
24:41they don't care they did it and the only
24:45thing they care about is that [ __ ] I was
24:47stupid enough to get caught that's what
24:50they think about yeah they don't care
24:52what they did and our money our tax
24:55dollars are going to pay for them to sit
24:59there and do whatever they want in jail
25:02some of them still have a normal life as
25:05if they weren't out of jail having sex
25:07having babies getting married watching
25:11whatever they want on TV having their
25:13own cell with locks and keys to get into
25:18their own little personal dorm yes I
25:21mean come on exactly I totally believe
25:26in the death penalty I do believe it
25:28does need to be revamped
25:30um I believe this hella pill case is
25:32just it's just too much to sit on uh
25:35death row for 20 30 years I think that's
25:38completely ridiculous and I don't think
25:40the death penalty should even be handed
25:42down if they're if you think there's any
25:45reasonable doubt because when you do
25:47that many times not in this case because
25:49they had the either or but many times
25:52they're acquitted they just walk
25:55hence Casey Anthony so I do think that
25:58the death penalty definitely needs to be
26:00rebound but yes I do believe in it
26:04[ __ ] where I live Texas is all about the
26:07death penalties oh yeah here too in
26:10Alabama
26:13okay I'll hush him we'll get on with our
26:15clip sorry guys about the Tyrant it's
26:17just sorry about that yeah
26:20but we need to talk about it sometimes
26:22because the clips doesn't cover the Deep
26:24diving that we did and I would never
26:26knock anybody that doesn't believe in
26:28the death penalty you have no reasons I
26:31have mine but hey yeah we can all still
26:35get along here I still love you guys and
26:37hope you still love me we just have a
26:39difference of opinion that's right
26:42on with the clip yes
26:51[Music]
26:55Susan Smith
26:57has been arrested and will be charged
27:00with two counts of murder in connection
27:02with the deaths of her children Michael
27:06three and Alexander 14 months
27:09the vehicle a 1990 Mazda driven by Smith
27:13was located late Thursday afternoon in
27:17Lake John D long near Union
27:20two bodies were found in the vehicle's
27:22back seat
27:24identities are pending and autopsy she
27:27needs a Psychiatry she needs something
27:29worse than that I've never heard
27:31anything like this
27:33this is the worst way that Union County
27:35could ever be brought on the news please
27:39it hurts to understand
27:47to believe that somehow
27:51what the mother did in any way
27:53diminishes
27:54quality the character
27:56the courage of what they did and um
28:00so my thoughts and prayers are with them
28:02today and I would hope the American
28:04people would feel that way as well I
28:06think we were all moved and deeply
28:07impressed by how that Community
28:09responded and
28:10in this awful turn of events cannot
28:13undermine that it qualifies as a death
28:16penalty case under South Carolina law we
28:18have a number of aggregate in
28:19circumstances that would allow it to be
28:21a death penalty case but again it's my
28:23policy to not just shoot from the hill
28:24until I've seen all the facts I haven't
28:26read all the rules
28:37with his client then Mr Brook as I
28:40understand it is waving the bond hearing
28:42at this time
28:44based on
28:46the representations of council then Ms
28:51Smith will remain in
28:54the custody of law enforcement and
28:56remain in detention until there's
28:58further motion is brought before this
29:00court
29:00[Applause]
29:02before any of us
29:12we have no answers as to what happened
29:16we do not understand why it happens
29:21today we all cry with David Smith along
29:24with thousands across our state and
29:26Nation cry out to you in our hour of
29:29need Michael and Alex toe-to-toe in one
29:33little casket
29:37and another signal the hearse to the
29:40final resting place
29:42another chance to hold hours a little
29:44tighter
29:46last night another chance to say goodbye
29:52this tragedy is tearing up dot Frost
29:54every time she looks across the street
29:57she sees Michael and Alex but they are
29:59not there Susan Smith's neighbor is
30:02bitter and when you see those kids that
30:05playing
30:06it hurts so bad to think that she would
30:08do anything like that to those kids
30:09because I can't forget those little
30:11Powers the healing process extends far
30:14beyond the realm of the church in fact
30:16many in the community are heading to the
30:18lake the lake where Alex and Michael
30:20died
30:23another place for us to say goodbye and
30:27wonder why
30:30they lay here for nine days
30:38the healing process is just beginning in
30:41a sense for all of us for this is a
30:43tragedy that makes us all feel something
30:45sorrow betrayal or gut-wrenching pain it
30:50will take time for our emotions to calm
30:52but hope hope is the great equalizer I
30:56have not seen God but I have seen his
30:58handiwork
31:00and Michael and Alex were his handiwork
31:05and now they see God
31:11Susan Smith's Story begins with sex and
31:13ends with the murder of Innocence it is
31:15the story of a woman who to judge by the
31:16evidence of her life succumbed to her
31:18own molestation as a teenager and grew
31:19up to become a promiscuous sexually
31:27okay I have been computer reading this
31:30because
31:31um I just couldn't read it at the time
31:33but there is a lot in this that talks
31:37about the trial
31:38and it's very interesting
31:41so I would suggest
31:44um if you don't know a lot about the
31:45case
31:46and I'm gonna try to slow it down
31:47because I think I sped it up too fast
31:49it's it's very interesting this clip
31:52here it's this clip is from 1995. not
31:56long after the trial
32:12of adult Smith ended her marriage to the
32:15poor boy who loved her and gambled on a
32:17rich boy who didn't when it all came
32:20apart she committed an act of savagery
32:22that defies understanding
32:24she served a pizza dinner to Michael
32:26free and Alex 14 months and Tenderly
32:29strap them into their car seats then she
32:32drove out to John D long Lake and let
32:33her maroon Mazda Protege roll into the
32:35reddish brown Water the car apparently
32:38took almost six minutes to disappear and
32:40Michael and Alex trusting and helpless
32:42can only have died screaming for their
32:44mother nothing not Smith's sad history
32:46or blighted hopes nor any kind of victim
32:49she can explain that act away
32:51after hearing new and compelling
32:53testimony about her Tangled life the
32:55same jury that took only two and a half
32:57hours to convict Susan Smith on July
32:5922nd decided just as quickly to spare
33:02her life last week and voted unanimously
33:04the outcome flatly contradicts Current
33:06public opinion now more than ever
33:09Americans support the death penalty by
33:11striking majorities and a nation that
33:13has purposed evidence about Smith
33:15Liaisons with four different men
33:17including her own stepfather boarded 63
33:20percent to 28 in a Newsweek survey that
33:23she should have been put to death so the
33:25trial result is likely to divide
33:26Americans just as it divides Union South
33:29Carolina a lot of people in Union are
33:31not feeling too good said Christine Byrd
33:34one of many residents who gathered at
33:36the courthouse to hear the decision they
33:38thought she should get a death sentence
33:40the dead boy's Father David Smith said
33:43he and his family were disappointed at
33:44the verdict I'll never forget what Susan
33:47has done to me and my family and I even
33:49have to say to her family Smith said but
33:52forgive that something I'm going to have
33:54to deal with I guess further on down the
33:56road the urge to kill in the name of
33:59Justice poses and fairly tricky issues
34:01and the outcome in the Smith case may be
34:03the clearest evidence yet of America's
34:04persistent ambivalence about capital
34:06punishment Americans seem guilty of vast
34:09hypocrisy the justice system imposes the
34:12death penalty far more often than it
34:14actually delivers it page 24. citizens
34:17support the death penalty in general but
34:19frequently refuse to apply it when as in
34:22the Smith case they are confronted with
34:24a face a name in human frailties that
34:26however Lord bear at least some
34:28resemblance to their own if a mother who
34:31deliberately drowns her children in a
34:32peek over a failed romance doesn't
34:34deserve to die who does take an eye for
34:37an eye prosecutor Tommy Pope urged the
34:39jury
34:40Smith's lawyer David Brook answered with
34:43Christ's defense of the adulterous wife
34:45in The Gospel according to John he that
34:48is without sin among you Ruck said let
34:50him first cast a stone at her Smith
34:52cried and hugged Brock when the verdict
34:54was announced her melodramatic case had
34:57placed her squarely in the Limelight
34:58since October 25th 1994 the day she
35:01reported Michael and Alex abducted by a
35:03carjacker the steady drip of Revelation
35:06each more damning than the last seemed
35:08almost certain to lead to her execution
35:10she lied to police conned her ex-husband
35:13and Hoodwinked the nation the emerging
35:15facts of her chaotic life her father's
35:17suicide her molestation by her
35:19politically prominent stepfather her
35:21failed marriage and a tabloid prurians
35:23of her repeated love affairs seemed to
35:25make her a symbol of small town
35:26decadence the case appear tailor made
35:29for an ambitious young prosecutor like
35:31Tommy Pope who rejected repeated
35:33suggestions that he let Smith plead
35:35guilty in return for life in prison and
35:37it brought her David Brooke a formidably
35:40shrewd 46 year old lawyer who was deeply
35:42opposed to the death penalty after the
35:45sentence Brooke refused to gloat there
35:47is no good outcome in this case tragedy
35:50from the beginning it was such an
35:52unbearable terrible thing Brooke had it
35:54exactly right despite its steamy
35:57undertones despite the right mixture of
35:58family dysfunction and sexual
36:00Shenanigans the Smith case is ultimately
36:02a story of heartbreaking human loss it
36:05was only last week that the true
36:06terrible scope of Smith's dismal world
36:08came clear during the trial's penalty
36:11phase the courtroom became a
36:13Battleground for the two competing views
36:15of the defendant the scheming Vixen and
36:17the emotionally damaged post-adolescent
36:19the Witnesses were pivotal figures in
36:21Smith's life meant she had slept with
36:23people who'd loved her and in the case
36:26of her ex-husband someone whose life she
36:28had ruined what the jurors heard was the
36:30fullest account yet of why she did it
36:32and in the end confronted with the
36:34pathos of it all they decided both sides
36:37were right Susan Smith was both
36:39perpetrator and victim her descent began
36:42with the divorce of her parents in 1977
36:44when Susan was six years old the divorce
36:48apparently led her millworker to Father
36:49Harry Vaughn to commit suicide one month
36:52later an event that may have helped
36:55create the emotional vacuum that has
36:56haunted her ever since Linda Von married
36:59stockbroker Beverly Russell the son of a
37:01leading local family about a year and a
37:04half later the marriage was a step up
37:06Susan and her brothers Michael and
37:08Scotty moved into a comfortable Ranch
37:10House in Mount Vernon Estates an upscale
37:12subdivision outside Union Russell 48 was
37:16then active in South Carolina Republican
37:18politics and in Pat Robertson's
37:19Christian Coalition but he is no longer
37:21and the shattering disclosures triggered
37:24by his stepdaughter's prosecution or the
37:26reason according to previously secret
37:28records from a state Family Court
37:30Russell began molesting Susan when she
37:32was 15. although Russell clearly
37:34initiated sexual contact the case File
37:36suggests Susan may have led him on Linda
37:39Russell told a social worker that Susan
37:41told her beb was sitting in the chair
37:42watching TV and Susan got in his lap and
37:45went to sleep then he slid her bra up
37:47and fondled her breast and took her hand
37:49and put it on his penis the report says
37:51Linda later asked Beverly about Susan's
37:54story and he didn't deny that it had
37:55happened he told her he felt like some
37:58kind of pervert when it happened Russell
38:00signed a statement admitting his conduct
38:02and the family sought counseling but
38:03Susan and her mother said they didn't
38:05want to prosecute Susan graduated from
38:08Union High School in 1989 and went to
38:10work in the local Winn-Dixie supermarket
38:12as a checkout girl David Smith worked in
38:15the store as a produce clerk before she
38:17and David began to date Susan told a
38:20psychiatrist she had an affair with a
38:22store manager who was subsequently
38:24transferred out of town
38:25she was two months pregnant the child
38:27was Davis when they were married on
38:29March 15 1991. they eventually settled
38:32down in a brick starter home and Union
38:34Michael was born in 1991 Alex followed
38:37in 1993 and Susan gave every appearance
38:40of being a dirty mother but the marriage
38:42slowly unraveled in 1994 Susan sued for
38:46divorce alleging infidelity and David
38:48later countersued also alleging
38:50infidelity the divorce was granted after
38:53her arrest a strapping silver-haired man
38:56Russell stunned the courtroom by many
38:58met his consensual involvement with
39:00Susan continued intermittently through
39:02her marriage and subsequent separation
39:04from David Smith he even admitted to
39:06having sexual encounters with Susan as
39:08recently as August 1994 less than three
39:12months before she killed her sons the
39:14dramatic High Point came when he read
39:16aloud from a letter he'd sent Susan on
39:18Father's Day 1995 when she was already
39:21in prison you don't have all the guilt
39:23in this tragedy he read bombing and I've
39:27been true to you and my responsibilities
39:28you would have been stronger in yourself
39:30not needing to be constantly supported
39:33and reassured emotionally my heart
39:35breaks for what I've done to you for
39:37your pain and for your loss it was not
39:39her loss alone the prosecution's main
39:41weapon was tear drenched testimony from
39:43eventual David Smith who accepted a box
39:46of tissues from Judge William Howard
39:47Smith had stood by his estranged wife
39:50during her nine-day charade and he said
39:52he first heard about her confession on
39:54television I didn't know what to do he
39:56said everything I had planned on my life
39:59with my kids was gone
40:01that was The Bitter End of a tumultuous
40:03too early marriage by the late summer of
40:061994 Susan told the defense's
40:09psychiatrists she was sexually involved
40:11with four different men Bae Russell
40:12David Smith Tom Findlay and Tom's father
40:15Carrie Carrie Findlay has denied any
40:18involvement with Smith Findlay senior
40:20owns a company called conso Incorporated
40:22which makes interior decorating products
40:24he is among the wealthiest Union County
40:26residents he hired Smith as an assistant
40:29to his executive assistant in 1994 and
40:32she got to know his son while working at
40:34the concert plant Tom finley28 is a
40:37graphic designer who works in his
40:39father's firm he is known to some local
40:41young women as the cash Tom Finley
40:44testified as a prosecution witness at
40:46the trial for in the prosecution's view
40:47he was the real reason Susan killed her
40:50voice Finley balding early is nice
40:53looking if not quite a hunk he allegedly
40:55told investigators that he considered
40:57himself a ladies man whose mission in
40:59life was servicing these women as he
41:01told it he and Susan became lovers in
41:03early 1994.
41:05he broke it off sometime in March
41:07Findlay said after David Smith caught
41:09them talking on the phone and angrily
41:11warned him to stay away from Susan
41:13concerned for his safety finler avoided
41:16Susan from March to September then Susan
41:19told him she and David were going
41:20through with the divorce Finley said and
41:23he resumed their affair on the weekend
41:25of October 15th Tom invited Susan to his
41:28father's estate for a hot tub party
41:29according to the sources close to the
41:31case Susan has said she became jealous
41:33when Tom began necking with another
41:35woman she flirted with another man named
41:38Tom the judged by the Dear Jane letter
41:40he sent her two days later was at least
41:42somewhat offended the letter is a
41:44classic of his kadish kind Finley read
41:46it aloud in court dear Susan Finley said
41:49this is a difficult letter to write
41:51because I know how much you think of me
41:53you are intelligent beautiful sensitive
41:56and possess many other wonderful
41:57qualities that I and many other men
41:59appreciate he will without a doubt make
42:01some lucky man a great wife but
42:04unfortunately it won't be me Susan I
42:07could really fall for you he continued
42:09but like I have told you before there
42:11are some things about you that aren't
42:13suited to me and yes I am speaking about
42:16your children Susan I am not mad at you
42:18about what happened at the hot tub party
42:20Finley wrote but seeing you kiss another
42:23man put things back into perspective I
42:25would hate for people to perceive you as
42:27an unreputable sick person if you want
42:30to catch a nice guy like me one day you
42:33have to act like a nice girl this
42:35smarter rejection through Smith into
42:36panic over the next several days Finley
42:39testified they had a series of highly
42:42emotional conversations their last
42:44meetings came on October 25th at the
42:46console plant she was crying she was
42:48very upset Finley said she proceeded to
42:51tell me she had had an affair with her
42:53stepfather and she told me she had a
42:55sexual relationship with my father I
42:57told her the intimate part of our
42:58relationship would have to end she went
43:01to his office later the same day to
43:02return an Auburn University sweatshirt
43:04that belonged to Finley she said I'm
43:07going to give you this I may not see you
43:09again Fender recalled he told her to
43:11keep it Smith was wearing the shirt when
43:13she drove her sons to the lake that
43:15evening hours later A co-worker called
43:18to ask if he had heard the news about
43:19Susan and Finley's first thought was oh
43:22my God she's killed herself the
43:25prosecutors Finley's emphasis on the
43:27children were Smith's murder for murder
43:29they argued there was no evidence as the
43:31defense claimed that Smith had driven to
43:33the lake to commit suicide they made a
43:36point of showing jurors of videotape
43:38interviews in which Smith tearfully
43:39maintained the kidnapping hoax Susan
43:42Smith chose to do the worst thing a
43:44mother can do and covered it up Pope
43:45argued pushing for the death penalty he
43:48said her family history was just the
43:50abuse excuse the jury found otherwise a
43:53tacit recognition that the core issue
43:54was whether Smith was mentally ill South
43:57Carolina's definition of insanity is one
43:59of the most restrictive in the nation it
44:01did not permit Smith to plead not guilty
44:03by reason of insanity or more plausibly
44:06temporary insanity a team of State
44:08psychiatrists certified that Smith was
44:10competent to stand trial but they also
44:13said she suffered from a mental illness
44:15that could have affected her behavior
44:16and one of the shrinks Dr Donald Morgan
44:18startled the court by warning that Smith
44:21was clearly suicidal and might sabotage
44:23her own defense other testimony pointed
44:26to the Deep shame that stemmed from her
44:27incestuous relationship with muscle the
44:30psychiatric view is that Smith is a
44:32uniquely fragile person who had
44:33concealed her emotional conflicts for
44:35years killing her sons was a horrifying
44:38act that this speaks a Personality
44:39Crisis at that moment she must have been
44:42emotionally numb if Smith in fact was
44:45rational why risk a police investigation
44:48why not simply give custody of the boys
44:50to their father
44:52the jury was eleven to one in favor of
44:54life in prison when it began
44:55deliberating her sentence and the lone
44:57hardliner finally joined the majority
45:00we all felt like Susan was a really
45:02Disturbed person said juror Deborah
45:04benvenuti
45:06giving her the death penalty wouldn't
45:07serve Justice
45:09Susan Smith has been returned to her
45:11tiny cell at the women's correctional
45:12institution in Columbia South Carolina
45:14she has no personal possessions no
45:17contact with other inmates and she wears
45:19only paper gowns a precaution against
45:20suicide because real clothes can be
45:23turned into nooses barring an appeal she
45:26will be in prison for at least 80 years
45:28condemned not to die but to live with
45:30her guess the jury swiftly rejected the
45:32death penalty for Susan Smith sentencing
45:35her to life in prison Friday after her
45:37lawyer argued she is tormented enough in
45:40her own Lake of Fire for drowning her
45:42two young Sons she will be eligible for
45:44parole in 30 years for nine days last
45:47fall Smith insisted that a black man had
45:50commandeered her car as she drove on a
45:52dark empty Back Road she begged
45:54carefully on Nationwide television for
45:56her son's safe return at last confessing
45:58November 3 that she had popped the car
45:59safety break and rolled it down a
46:01rampant to John D long lake with the boy
46:03still strapped inside she cried again
46:04Friday as she was led from the courtroom
46:06after the jury announced its unanimous
46:08verdict reached after just two one slash
46:09two hours of deliberation the boy's
46:12Father David Smith set stone-faced later
46:14telling reporters he and his family were
46:16disappointed but it wasn't our choice on
46:17what penalty she was to receive Smith
46:19whose renting testimony about losing his
46:21sons reduced several jurors to tears
46:23said he could not imagine visiting Smith
46:24in jail and was thinking of moving away
46:26from Union to escape the memories I'll
46:28never forget what Susan has done to me
46:30and my family even I'd have to say to
46:31her family and I'll never forget Michael
46:33and Alex he said but forgive that
46:35something I'm going to have to deal with
46:37I guess further on down the road
46:39prosecutor Tommy Pope defended his
46:40decision to seek the death penalty
46:42saying he would do it again this
46:44community can begin to heal Pope said
46:45it's taken a tremendous toll but it's
46:47something that had to be done public
46:49opinion and Union the town of ten
46:51thousand people shifted from favoring
46:52the death sentence shortly after the
46:54crime growing more sympathetic as
46:55Smith's troubled past including sexual
46:57abuse by her stepfather became known
46:59Smith's lawyer David Brook said there is
47:02no good outcome to this case this case
47:03was an awful human tragedy and it still
47:05is and it always will be after the
47:07verdict Circuit Judge William Howard
47:09told jurors their choice was the
47:10toughest moral decision anyone has to
47:12make the jury had taken the same amount
47:13of time July 22 to convict Smith of
47:16murder we all felt like Susan was a
47:18really Disturbed person and we all felt
47:20that giving her the death penalty
47:21wouldn't serve Justice said you are
47:22Deborah benvenuti Smith 23 didn't
47:25testify during her trial and declined to
47:27make a statement to jurors before their
47:28deliberations began she was put on
47:30suicide watch in a Cell monitored by
47:32closed circuit television and with a
47:33guard walking past every 15 minutes
47:35prison spokesman Robin Zimmerman said
47:37for the first few days she will not be
47:39allowed visitors in his closing argument
47:41in the penalty phase of the trial
47:42Roxette Smith's grief remorse and
47:44memories while serving life Behind Bars
47:46would be torment enough this young woman
47:47is in a lake of fire Brock said that's
47:49her punishment holding a Bible Brooke
47:51read the story from the Gospel of John
47:52about a woman who committed adultery and
47:54offense punishable by stoning to death
47:56he that is without sin among you let him
47:58first cast a stone at her Brock Reed the
48:00pope told juror Smith's remorse for
48:01killing her only children three-year-old
48:03Michael and 14 month old Alex was
48:05meaningless she may be sorry now he said
48:07his voice Rising what was she's sorry
48:09when she dropped that hand break down
48:11the crowd that gathered in front of the
48:12courthouse to hear the verdict was split
48:14in their views of the case she's crying
48:16out for help she just needs help if
48:17they've given Susan the death chair it
48:19wouldn't bring those boys back said
48:20Christine bird 56 Holly Tater who was
48:23also in the crowd said the death
48:25sentence would have been more just what
48:26she did was wrong and she planned it all
48:28along she was pleading to the whole
48:29nation and lying all along there was
48:31never any doubt about Smith's guilt her
48:33trial which began July 10 was to explore
48:35why she killed the boys October 25 and
48:38how she would be punished Brooke argued
48:39during the trial that Smith snapped
48:41under unbearable personal pressures and
48:43mental illness Smith's father Harry
48:45Vaughn killed himself when she was six
48:46and defense lawyers said she also was
48:48prone to depression and had attempted
48:49suicide several times Pope told the
48:51Jerry Smith killed her son so she could
48:53try to continue a relationship with a
48:55boyfriend he was the son of the owner of
48:56the plant where she worked and once told
48:58her he wasn't ready to be a father
48:59ladies and gentlemen I submit to you for
49:01Susan Smith the love for herself was
49:03greater than her love for those boys
49:04Pope said the prosecution showed jurors
49:07a videotape reenactment of the crime in
49:08which it took Smith's car six minutes to
49:10sync with the boys strapped inside the
49:12defense psychiatrist testified that
49:13after Smith left his wife in August 1994
49:16she became increasingly depressed among
49:18them was her stepfather Beverly Russell
49:20who admitted molesting her when she was
49:2216 and to having sexual relations with
49:24her as recently as August on Thursday he
49:26took the witness stand and tearfully
49:27took partial responsibility for what
49:29happened to the boys Brooke said after
49:30the verdict that Smith still wants to
49:32die I think Susan is still suicidal he
49:34said she still puts on a brave front but
49:36yes underneath the exterior I'm all
49:38right I think there's great anguish and
49:40desire for relief from her pain the
49:42Union County mother convicted of killing
49:44her two sons and blaming a black man is
49:46now asking for a new trial 15 years
49:48later Smith isn't denying her guilds in
49:50a handwritten petition she says she
49:51didn't get a fair trial for starter
49:53Smith is alleging that her Amanda rights
49:55were violated police call them Miranda
49:57rights that's basically your right to
49:58remain silent she also alleges that she
50:00didn't have adequate representation she
50:02alleges prosecutorial misconduct but the
50:04solicitor isn't too concerned that this
50:05is going to wind up back in court
50:06because he says the statue of
50:08limitations on this particular ocean
50:09expired 14 years ago I would like to say
50:13to whoever has my children Susan Smith
50:16the same woman who begged for the safe
50:18return of her two young Sons then turned
50:19around and confessed to killing them in
50:211994 is now in her own words painting
50:24herself as a victim of the justice
50:25system 15 years after being sentenced to
50:27life in prison for the murders Smith has
50:29filed a motion requesting a new trial
50:31makes me sick to my stomach I'm a mother
50:34um I I cannot find the many mother doing
50:36that for any reason whatsoever in
50:38December a similar motion was dismissed
50:39in federal court in a six-page brief
50:41Smith alleges inadequate representation
50:43she says her attorney never filed an
50:45appeal she also says prosecutors knew
50:48she was questioned without an attorney
50:49present which she says violated Her
50:51Miranda rights number of the issues that
50:53she's raised in this post-conviction
50:54relief are appellate issues that she
50:56should have raised on Direct appeal
50:57after the trial
50:58um so you know they're not appropriate
51:00for this sort of thing I think there's a
51:01number of problems with the application
51:02Smith also alleges her 14th amendment
51:04was violated because the jury never got
51:06to hear that she may have been suffering
51:07from battered woman syndrome battered
51:09spouse Syndrome has absolutely nothing
51:11to do with this case there's no way it
51:12could possibly have been a defense to
51:13murdering she has a right to a fair
51:15trial she has a right to have her trial
51:17reviewed but David Smith and the people
51:19of Union have a right to expect that one
51:21day they're going to be able to put this
51:22behind them and forget all about Susan
51:24Smith and their rights are being
51:25violated with this petition the South
51:27Carolina attorney general's office will
51:28now decide if in fact Smith will get
51:30another day in court she's currently
51:31being incarcerated in Greenwood Smith
51:34was sentenced to serve a minimum of 30
51:35years in prison she is not eligible for
51:37parole until November 2024. cop paying
51:40off fellow inmates to play guard while
51:43she Susan Smith enjoys sex romps with
51:46prison girlfriends in sales closets even
51:49the jailhouse freezer and to top it all
51:52off she's scamming money online
51:57The National Enquirer is claiming Susan
51:59Smith the woman who drowned her two
52:01young Sons Michael III and Alexander 14
52:05months there's not one minute that goes
52:07by I don't think about these boys is
52:09having wild sexual Tris in prison
52:15other inmates come forward saying Susan
52:18Smith is living the high life in jail
52:20making money off of men who support her
52:23okay I don't really know how to start
52:26this author who is Big Daddy that's my
52:29first question
52:30oh big daddy is a uh a female her name
52:34is
52:36and she was a bank robber I believe and
52:39she was uh the favorite lover of Susan
52:42Smith because she was well just what
52:44Susan liked she likes them big strong
52:46look like men and can make love like men
52:49and unfortunately Big Daddy uh got uh
52:52paroled I guess and got out of jail so
52:54she was devastated but she picked up
52:55right now she's going with
52:57it was a 38 year old a female bank
52:59robber who also uh is very masculine
53:02looking and uh and the inmate that we
53:05talked to I won't name her uh uh she was
53:08paid to watch for guards as you said
53:09well she would make love while Susan
53:12Smith would make love with uh
53:14in their cells closets and even the
53:17prison cafeteria freezer I bet that was
53:19a quickie the freezer
53:22Mike Walker we just played sound uh
53:25Susan Smith the original top mom killer
53:28who ran her two little boys let's pull
53:31that video up please Liz
53:33who ran her two little boys into a lake
53:37in the car still strapped into their car
53:42seats I will never forget this image
53:45when it happened then Susan Smith
53:47tearfully going on air takes to the
53:50Airways crying trying to blame uh some
53:55guy
53:56and again nobody knew nobody had seen
53:59for taking her children no motive No Sex
54:03Attack no robbery nothing she walks off
54:06without a scratch on her and the two
54:09boys are dead at the bottom of the late
54:11we later find out she did it because she
54:14wanted to be with her rich boyfriend and
54:16he didn't want a ready-made family
54:18that's that story she just said not one
54:21minute goes by that I don't think about
54:23my boys apparently Mike Walker that's
54:26not truth
54:28well no plenty of times go by when she
54:31doesn't think about those boys when
54:32she's with all these lovers she also you
54:34know made love to uh two prison guards
54:36men that's what brought her into her
54:37Presence at Correctional Institution a
54:40much tougher institution Leaf
54:41correctional institute and uh she uh
54:45what she's doing a lot is she started
54:47out Nancy I don't know if you know this
54:49she put an ad on a right prisoners.com
54:52website and she wrote this wonderful
54:55thing about how she wanted to correspond
54:57with people and she wrote about her love
54:58of quote rainbows Mickey Mouse the beach
55:01the mountains and waterfalls my favorite
55:03color is navy blue and my favorite
55:04flower is the daisy all very sweet this
55:07is a woman
55:12the jury again we respect that they make
55:15they took a testimony among themselves
55:17when they came back with the verdict of
55:18life
55:20David Smith is with us as well we are
55:23rejoined by attorney Lisa Bloom she is
55:25the author of think now David I uh
55:29apologize for dragging you through all
55:30this again I hope you're okay with this
55:32but I am thank you okay what was it like
55:34you know where now all of us are focused
55:36on the Anthony's and their family at the
55:38center of this media scrutiny what was
55:40that like when you were going through it
55:42it's very uh stressful
55:45um
55:46it's it's very emotionally draining were
55:50you ever the subject of scrutiny did
55:52they try to put any blame over onto you
55:54the way they're doing with George
55:55Anthony
55:57um some at first I did a little but not
56:00not very much and then to to be lied to
56:03by your wife so let's call it vividly so
56:06so
56:07unabashedly right
56:10how do you make sense that what how did
56:11you to me that's just baffling it just
56:14started you have to shake your head you
56:15still feel like that or does it make
56:17sense now no no I still don't understand
56:19today any more than I did then I mean
56:23you know Susan was the last person I
56:25thought would have ever you know harm
56:27Michael and Alex well that's my question
56:29was there evidence I mean there's a lot
56:31of similarities between Susan and Casey
56:33right do you see those similarities say
56:36some of them once you've cheered me what
56:38you see as the similarities the uh
56:40partying you know Susan was doing a lot
56:42of partying there towards the end
56:45um and she was she actually was having
56:47an affair or something right is that
56:48true yes that's correct and so Casey
56:50same thing partying lying partying lying
56:52lies lies lies you can do the center of
56:54all this okay correct but before that
56:56did she show any evidence of did she
56:59hurt anybody before that did she lie
57:01repeatedly before that was she using
57:03drugs and alcohol before things
57:05unraveled Dr Joe there was
57:08there were there weren't any signs there
57:10was nothing that I could
57:12have seen
57:14that I saw that would have led me to
57:17think she would have ever done what she
57:18did she was a great mother up to the
57:21moment that she killed Michael there's
57:23another similarity with what they're
57:24saying about Casey potentially
57:26interestingly is is should you talk to
57:28her now Susan no I know do you does
57:31anyone that that do speak with her does
57:33she have any insight into what happened
57:35does she do you know I don't know of
57:37anybody who has talking to her spoken
57:39with her is your sense that she's just a
57:41psychopath or a sociopath and really had
57:43no feelings at least in that moment
57:45I think she was just you know I mean she
57:48was very selfish
57:49um you know it's selfish to the point of
57:51Killing Children is something specially
57:53I mean so you use you need a special
57:55word for that selfish doesn't quite
57:56apply
57:57you know what I'm saying yes Lisa let me
58:00ask you you deal with criminals and this
58:02is really what we're talking about here
58:03I mean we toss around a lot of
58:05terminology when people discuss Casey
58:07Anthony talk about sociopath the
58:08psychopath name psychopath that's how I
58:10just come up and hear in reference to
58:11Susan But ultimately we're talking about
58:13criminals we're talking about people who
58:15don't have a conscience right yeah
58:16that's a criminal you might think evil
58:18thoughts but we don't act on it
58:19something stops us and that something is
58:21our conscience well in in my world we
58:23think of that as the ability to
58:25appreciate that other peoples have
58:26feelings and agency other people exist
58:28right compassion right and and what's
58:32strange to me is that in Casey and
58:33Susan's case it looked like it seemed to
58:36people around them you're you're smiling
58:38a little bit it seemed like she had
58:39compassion
58:42that's what you thought right absolutely
58:45you thought this was a woman who could
58:47love me it felt like love yes and
58:50someone that was you know a very caring
58:53uh loving mother
58:56all that so 15 years later even Oprah
58:59wants to know more she was recently
59:01turned down for a jailhouse interview
59:02with Susan Smith it's a life-changing
59:05pain David Smith has to live with every
59:07day he agreed to dig up the past today
59:09to help investigators
59:11Susan Smith
59:13has been arrested and will be charged
59:16with two counts of murder the murders of
59:19young Michael and Alex Smith will never
59:20be forgotten in
59:221994 their mother lied to the country
59:25saying her car was stolen with the boys
59:27still inside the Frantic search ended
59:30when investigators proved The Grieving
59:32mother was really the one to blame it's
59:34a painful story investigators are still
59:37trying to learn from more than 15 years
59:39later for the first time though their
59:42teacher is the man who lived through it
59:44all the boy's Father David Smith please
59:47law enforcement don't shy away
59:50don't feel intimidated by the parents
59:55and
59:57hinder you know the investigation
1:00:00please ask those important questions
1:00:03Smith reopened his Old Wounds talking
1:00:06about what it was like to be under the
1:00:07microscope part of me
1:00:10was kind of uh
1:00:12a little frustrated
1:00:14because
1:00:16I wanted every available officer out
1:00:20there looking for Michael Alex
1:00:23um
1:00:24and I was like well you know you're
1:00:26wasting time
1:00:28interviewing me
1:00:30or as I thought at that time too soon he
1:00:35says what happened to his family is the
1:00:37reason why investigators can never back
1:00:39down but he says to get to the truth
1:00:41they'll have to use compassion asking me
1:00:44do I know where Michael Knox is at that
1:00:46hurt
1:00:47but I knew they had to you know ask that
1:00:50they had to do their job
1:00:52and that's what I want law enforcement
1:00:54to do is just remember that they have to
1:00:56ask those tough questions
1:00:58it says he's only spoken to Susan once
1:01:00since the trial it took a
1:01:03many years it took a long time but I
1:01:05finally forgiven her because
1:01:07not forgiven her that was
1:01:11that was eating meals
1:01:16first request for a sit down with Susan
1:01:18in jail to me it just she just needs to
1:01:22go away per se
1:01:25um so you know if Oprah wants to talk to
1:01:29Susan I guess you know from a media
1:01:31point of view I can understand that
1:01:33from the personal point I
1:01:36I don't agree with it
1:01:38I wanted to try to correspond with her
1:01:40in prison
1:01:42and wanted to know her side of the story
1:01:44we wanted to know what she thought about
1:01:46it 20 years later has her opinions
1:01:48changed to what she did is she
1:01:50remorseful that sort of thing so what I
1:01:52did was I wrote a letter I met with my
1:01:54editors and we
1:01:56formed this letter that asked her those
1:01:57exact questions and then in January of
1:01:592015 she wrote back Mr Cahill I am not
1:02:03the monster Society thinks I am I'm far
1:02:05from it something went very wrong that
1:02:07night I was not myself I was a good
1:02:09mother and I loved my boys you want to
1:02:11know why did you do this and hopefully
1:02:13you get some kind of insight as to what
1:02:15goes on in the mind of a criminal so
1:02:18that tips and hints that they give you
1:02:19that they lay down that they work as a
1:02:21foundation for other criminals you you
1:02:23might have the chance to prevent
1:02:24something in the future
1:02:28[Music]
1:02:40[Music]
1:03:00we got in the car we drove up to Union
1:03:02uh I remember going to the Sheriff's
1:03:05Office first and
1:03:08um thankfully I had interacted and knew
1:03:11the head of sled Chief Stewart back then
1:03:13and so he told me they were getting
1:03:16ready to fly John D long Lake it just
1:03:19seemed so unfair that somebody could
1:03:21take such two beautiful children she
1:03:24said that she was stopped at a traffic
1:03:27light at around nine o'clock at night
1:03:30and that while she was stopped at a
1:03:33light a man
1:03:34jumped in the car and forced her to
1:03:38drive got her out of the car and goes
1:03:40away with her children they were
1:03:42screaming hollering and crying then
1:03:45I'm just scared that he just lost his
1:03:47patience or something at that point I
1:03:49mean we thought it was an abduction we
1:03:50had no reason to believe that a family
1:03:54member would have been involved because
1:03:56I remembered it was the lead story on
1:03:58our evening newscast
1:04:00the last sentence of her story was this
1:04:03is almost verbatim verbatim authorities
1:04:07are not ruling out anyone as a suspect
1:04:10including the mother your hearts just
1:04:12feel heavy you know for the things
1:04:14that's going on
1:04:16like say nothing has ever happened like
1:04:18they've seen Union before the reason why
1:04:21I remember so well is I spent the next
1:04:24hour to two hours with viewers screaming
1:04:27at me
1:04:28how dare you how dare you
1:04:32that poor woman
1:04:34she's had her two little babies
1:04:36kidnapped
1:04:38and you would suggest that she might
1:04:41have been responsible this story touches
1:04:44most every listener and knowing that the
1:04:47media have plugged into Union County I
1:04:52satellite I couldn't believe how many
1:04:54reporters from all over the country were
1:04:57already there
1:04:58it just it captivated the the heart of
1:05:01the nation of the heart of the world
1:05:02just like that I couldn't go anywhere I
1:05:04couldn't walk down the street I couldn't
1:05:06go in the restaurant I couldn't go in
1:05:08the bathroom and somebody was saying
1:05:10what's the latest on the Susan Smith
1:05:11story what's the latest one have they
1:05:12found those little boys please bring
1:05:14them home so this this didn't happen to
1:05:17strangers this happened to people that
1:05:19they that most everyone knew so it and
1:05:23of course everybody's out looking they
1:05:25all want to find these little boys I
1:05:28remember this black guy came up and just
1:05:30had them doing something in the car so
1:05:32they had this sketch and schedules up
1:05:34everywhere and so everybody was looking
1:05:37for not only a car the boys but that man
1:05:41the dialogue started in The Newsroom of
1:05:47do we continue to use it and The
1:05:50Newsroom decided to stop using that what
1:05:52was interesting about the sketch is most
1:05:55people
1:05:56tell you detail first
1:05:59and then broaden out to
1:06:02more Global Information in her case it
1:06:06was Global without any details because
1:06:09you want to say well anything is is
1:06:12better than nothing right but not
1:06:14necessarily so if it's going to identify
1:06:16900 people in a five you know Mile
1:06:19Square area there were people riding
1:06:22around here with rifles in the back of
1:06:24the trucks
1:06:26shotguns in the back of the trucks
1:06:28and I'm sure there are numerous people
1:06:30riding around with the pistols in there
1:06:32um
1:06:33David Smith looked like a guy who
1:06:35someone had kidnapped his kids
1:06:38Susan Smith looked like someone who was
1:06:40excited to for the media
1:06:42they've told NBC that there were
1:06:45inconsistencies in your stories do you
1:06:48know what inconsistencies they were
1:06:50referring to uh no ma'am I really do not
1:06:53know that search intensifies both Susan
1:06:56and David take polygraph tests
1:06:58an investigator confronts Susan
1:07:01demanding to know why she killed her
1:07:03children she storms out of the room
1:07:05jeopardizing wells's investigation it
1:07:08took almost six minutes or thereabouts
1:07:12for the car to sink and again the car
1:07:13basically went turned it over and then
1:07:15what happens you start seeing water
1:07:18coming up ultimately in the floorboard
1:07:20through the vents and I mean it's just
1:07:23it just comes up and ultimately covers
1:07:25the camera
1:07:27um you could have heard of pin drop in
1:07:30that courtroom
1:07:33I heard a noise it was almost like a
1:07:36giggle and I'll look over at Susan Smith
1:07:37and like the law clerk for the defense
1:07:40are um playing right notes or playing
1:07:43Tic-Tac-Toe and she's giggling or
1:07:45whatever while this is playing and and
1:07:48the jury's out
1:07:50so the jury comes in
1:07:52and I hear noise from the other side of
1:07:54the courtroom
1:07:55and yes this time Susan was crying
1:07:58guilty of murder on both counts in the
1:08:01deaths of sons Alex and Michael today
1:08:03Susan Smith was sentenced for drowning
1:08:06her sons in a Union County Lake here at
1:08:08John D long Lake this is the memorial
1:08:10for Michael and Alex Smith it is just
1:08:12feet from the lake where they died in
1:08:14this letter sent to a reporter at The
1:08:16State newspaper their mother Susan Smith
1:08:17wrote quote I am not the monster Society
1:08:20thinks I am I am far from it I was a
1:08:22good mother and I loved my boys and she
1:08:25is always kind of taking a self-centered
1:08:28Focus over the years Tommy Pope was the
1:08:30prosecutor who tried the Susan Smith
1:08:31case 20 years ago somewhere in my
1:08:33obituary they're going to say he said
1:08:34got it prosecuted Susan Smith's letter
1:08:36was a response to one she got from The
1:08:38State newspaper Smith wrote in part
1:08:40quote the thing that hurts me the most
1:08:42is that people think I hurt my children
1:08:43in order to be with a man that is so far
1:08:45from the truth I was not in my right
1:08:47mind if you look at the letter it's it's
1:08:50still more about her not about Michael
1:08:52and Alex not about the the regrets of
1:08:55hope says he doesn't talk about the case
1:08:57anymore unless he's asked about it he
1:08:59considers the trial a loss because Smith
1:09:01didn't get the death penalty for me it's
1:09:03kind of odd that I'm most famous for
1:09:04something that I don't think is my
1:09:05greatest accomplishment Smith's defense
1:09:07attorneys David Brock and Judy Clark are
1:09:09still working on high profile cases most
1:09:11recently Boston Marathon bombing suspect
1:09:13johar Tsarnaev the sheriff at the time
1:09:15Howard Wells ended up behind bars
1:09:17himself following a 2010 investigation
1:09:19into public corruption as for Pope he's
1:09:21in private practice serves in the state
1:09:23house and plans on a 2018 run for
1:09:25governor but he predicts more discussion
1:09:27on Smith given the fact that parole will
1:09:29eventually be enough to uh usually a
1:09:31quiet Town it lured thousands to the tip
1:09:33of John D long Lake Susan Smith founding
1:09:36her two young boys Alex and Michael in
1:09:38that Lake in Union County but the 1994
1:09:40murders would not be the last horror to
1:09:42take place two years later a family of
1:09:44seven drowned in that same spot while
1:09:46visiting the memorial for the Smith boys
1:09:47tonight we have the stories of two men
1:09:49who played an instrumental role in both
1:09:51tragedies and how they are coping more
1:09:53than 20 years Tim Baxley and Steve were
1:09:56both members of the Department of
1:09:57Natural Resources aquatic investigation
1:09:59and Recovery team but what most people
1:10:01don't know is the same dive team that
1:10:02recovered the Smith boys was called back
1:10:04to this very spot just two years later
1:10:06to recover the bodies of seven more
1:10:08victims four of those children in 1994
1:10:10Susan Smith initially told investigators
1:10:12she was carjacked the suspect making off
1:10:15with her two boys Michael three and Alex
1:10:1714 months still in the back seat when he
1:10:20made me get out of the car you know try
1:10:22to get my children I've seen they just
1:10:23bathing please let me take a look that
1:10:25prompted officials to call in the dnr's
1:10:27dive team to Canvas nearby bodies of
1:10:30water we didn't ask a lot of questions
1:10:31but we knew we knew we were looking for
1:10:33a car or we were looking for bodies Tim
1:10:36Baxley joined the dive team in 1990 and
1:10:38admits it's not for everyone it was a
1:10:40very tough job like I say it's not
1:10:41recreational Diamond this is a mission
1:10:43that and you really have to have a call
1:10:45in for it to do it after swooping the
1:10:47shoreline of the lake the search turned
1:10:48up nothing Baxley and the rest of the
1:10:50team left Union and returned to their
1:10:52daily routines
1:10:56was until he received a call from Steve
1:10:59Murrow on November 4th nine days after
1:11:01that initial search and I went out and
1:11:04actually laid hands on the car and I
1:11:07don't know
1:11:08determinate the body we're inside the
1:11:11team turned the car over to
1:11:13investigators to examine further Morrow
1:11:15says a lot of Tears were shed that night
1:11:17I went home and I had a not a four and a
1:11:20half year old son and I went home and
1:11:22played my wife I don't think we spoke
1:11:24but they did I don't remember just and
1:11:27then I went out and played with him
1:11:29because I played the rest of the night
1:11:31but the trauma didn't stop there two
1:11:33years later Morrow and Baxley were
1:11:35called back to the exact same location
1:11:37this time the recovery Mission involved
1:11:39seven victims
1:11:41they had stopped to look at The
1:11:43Monuments for the Smith boys when their
1:11:45car rolled down the boat ramp into the
1:11:47water that was a very traumatic
1:11:49experience to you know to hold in but
1:11:51you man up you'd be the tough guy
1:11:53following the 1996 drownings law
1:11:55enforcement officials began recognizing
1:11:57a need for an outlet for those involved
1:11:59in traumatic experiences Morrow says he
1:12:01did not initially see post-traumatic
1:12:02stress but it came through with the help
1:12:04of the program known as SC League my
1:12:07wife and I had lost
1:12:08an answer
1:12:11prior to previous and and I I was having
1:12:14trouble dealing with the fact that you
1:12:17know we've only born and lost it and
1:12:19these people you know are just giving
1:12:22them up following his breakthrough
1:12:23Morrow became a counselor as a member of
1:12:25the Su meet peer group nobody is at
1:12:28Gordon Palace that they can just
1:12:30deal with it after 96. we've had many
1:12:33more
1:12:34um tragedies that have happened they may
1:12:36not have been the magnitude of these
1:12:39but they were a whole lot easier to deal
1:12:40with because we had somebody there he
1:12:42had somebody you could talk to the first
1:12:44night when the sheriff called and asked
1:12:46for assistance so we sent a team over in
1:12:48one of the first agents that went over
1:12:49was a forensic artist who works with an
1:12:53alleged victim and does a pretty good
1:12:55interview as well as doing the artist
1:12:58sketch
1:12:59and when he completed his work that
1:13:01night he pretty much indicated that he
1:13:03thought there were some problems with
1:13:04the Susan Smith's story
1:13:07so that was Bob Stewart just a few years
1:13:09ago I believe on the 20th anniversary of
1:13:10all of this this park as you might
1:13:12imagine a lot of outrage not only in
1:13:13Union County where this happened all
1:13:15across the state of South Carolina and
1:13:16Nationwide people were outraged that
1:13:18this woman could come forward and tell
1:13:20such a lie and put people in such an
1:13:21uproarch so she says there's no motive
1:13:23but the prosecutor said there was a
1:13:24motive here and what was that a 23 year
1:13:25old Susan Smith wanted to have a
1:13:27relationship with a wealthy man in Union
1:13:28County a man who had told her he didn't
1:13:30want a family and for that reason they
1:13:32say she strapped her children inside the
1:13:33car and rolled it in John D long lake so
1:13:35that's the motive that prosecutors use
1:13:37there was some thought that they were
1:13:38going to try and get the death penalty
1:13:39here David brought a high profile
1:13:40attorney took the case trying to keep
1:13:42her off death row instead she got those
1:13:4430 years but as you heard a few moments
1:13:45ago she could be eligible for parole in
1:13:47five years now I know you have followed
1:13:49this story do you know anything about
1:13:51her time in prison what can you tell us
1:13:52I know she hasn't been the model
1:13:53prisoner she has been written up at
1:13:55least five times on various charges
1:13:57there's drug use uh also she had sexual
1:14:00relations with two correctional officers
1:14:02that was when she was housed here in
1:14:03Columbia she has since been moved to
1:14:05Greenwood so when her probation here
1:14:07ring comes up in a few years from now
1:14:09all these things that have happened will
1:14:10come back and they'll look at it and
1:14:12they'll decide then you were in the
1:14:13courtroom during the trial talk to me
1:14:14about who Susan Smith was in that
1:14:16courtroom we heard a lot about Susan
1:14:18Smith inside that courtroom some of it
1:14:19very disturbing testimony we heard that
1:14:21she tried to commit suicide at the age
1:14:23of 13. she tried to commit suicide at
1:14:24the age of 18. she was sexually molested
1:14:26by a member of her own family for many
1:14:28years her father killed himself when she
1:14:30was only six years old so the the foods
1:14:32here tried to tell the jury look this
1:14:34woman has some mental issues this woman
1:14:35has some problems this woman doesn't
1:14:37deserve the death penalty this woman
1:14:38doesn't deserve to die to these crimes
1:14:40because she's pretty messed up I kind of
1:14:42have a feeling there will be public
1:14:43outrage when she's up for parole and the
1:14:45public will have something to say about
1:14:46it probably so and it could be that the
1:14:47offenses that she has committed Behind
1:14:49Bars might come back to biter when it
1:14:51comes for probation time so there's no
1:14:52guarantee she's going to get probation
1:14:53but she certainly will probably be
1:14:55asking for that in about five years
1:14:56interesting the players in this case
1:14:58what's happened to them over the last 25
1:15:00years as we mentioned David Smith
1:15:01remarried he has two kids the prosecutor
1:15:03Tommy Pope is now a house representative
1:15:05representing Union County in the state
1:15:07house here in South Carolina the sheriff
1:15:09the man who said Susan Smith has been
1:15:11arrested in charge he served 90 days in
1:15:13prison he got caught up in a federal
1:15:14corruption probe that's where David
1:15:15Brook he's 70 and he is still trying to
1:15:17keep people off of death row he takes
1:15:19cases each and every time John D long
1:15:21Lake that boat the boat the ramp has
1:15:23been closed because two years after all
1:15:25of this happened seven people drowned
1:15:27one night they went to that very same
1:15:29boat ramp the car went back into the
1:15:31water among the seven dead several
1:15:32children so they just made the decision
1:15:34let's shut that boat ramp down we'll
1:15:36move the memorial for the children here
1:15:37we'll make it safer for people who want
1:15:39to come and pay respect sin Smith has
1:15:40more than a year to go before her first
1:15:42parole hearing but she is starting to
1:15:44ask some of her relatives to help her
1:15:45get out of prison
1:15:47she needs to show that she has something
1:15:49here on the outside
1:15:51says a family member so she wants
1:15:53affidavits from us to basically vouch
1:15:55that she's got a support system at home
1:15:58but will any of her family vouch for her
1:16:00right as of now no
1:16:02says a family member I don't think
1:16:05anyone is going to be willing to help
1:16:06her
1:16:07we're still hurting 30 years later about
1:16:09Michael and Alex
1:16:11I can't speak for everyone but I can
1:16:13tell you that I'm not interested in
1:16:15helping her get out
1:16:16Smith has struggled with her behavior
1:16:18Behind Bars in 2000 she was disciplined
1:16:22for having sex with a prison guard
1:16:24then according to prison records
1:16:26obtained by the messenger Smith faced
1:16:28disciplinary action at least five times
1:16:30between 2010 and 2015 for various
1:16:33infractions including self-mutilation
1:16:36and the use and possession of Narcotics
1:16:37or marijuana
1:16:39but more recently Smith has cleaned up
1:16:41her act presumably in the hopes that
1:16:43she'll be granted parole Susan Smith who
1:16:46is serving a life sentence for the 1994
1:16:48murders of her children has a plan if
1:16:50she is successful in next year's parole
1:16:52bid she wants to visit the gravesite of
1:16:54her two sons
1:16:56she's never been there
1:16:57says one of her relatives who is in
1:17:00touch with Smith Behind Bars she feels
1:17:03like going there would be closure for
1:17:04her but not everyone is happy with her
1:17:06plans to visit the gravesite a relative
1:17:08of David Smith says that it's an outrage
1:17:11to expect her to pay her respects to the
1:17:13boys she killed
1:17:14they would be grown men with families of
1:17:16Their Own by now
1:17:17says the Smith relative
1:17:19she took their entire life from them and
1:17:21now she wants to go visit them it's
1:17:24ridiculous
1:17:25Susan Smith has long insisted that she
1:17:27was mentally ill when she killed her
1:17:29children but that she wasn't a bad mom
1:17:30Smith's parole hearing will be held on
1:17:33November 4 2024.
1:17:35here's a timeline of those events
1:17:37October 17 1994 Tom Finley son of the
1:17:40owner of the cosmo textile mill where
1:17:42Susan Smith was a secretary writes a
1:17:44letter to Smith breaking off their
1:17:45Affair Findlay said in the letter he
1:17:46didn't want children October 25th 1994
1:17:49Smith straps 14 month old Alex and
1:17:51three-year-old Michael into a burgundy
1:17:531990 Mazda Protege and uses the access
1:17:54ramp to John D long Lake to push the car
1:17:56into the water October 25th 1994 Smith
1:17:59reports to local police that a black man
1:18:01carjacked her at gunpoint with her two
1:18:02small children in the back of her car
1:18:04October 27 1994 Smith was to come to the
1:18:07Union County Sheriff's Office in the
1:18:09county courthouse to be interviewed by
1:18:10an FBI polygraph operator November 2nd
1:18:131994 Smith and her estranged husband
1:18:15David appear on National Television
1:18:16pleading for the safe return of their
1:18:18children November 3rd 1994 Smith
1:18:20confesses to police investigators at a
1:18:22local church to Drowning Alex and
1:18:23Michael after she strapped them into the
1:18:25back seat of her car and pushed it into
1:18:26the lake November 3rd 1994 Department of
1:18:29Natural Resources divers recover Smith's
1:18:31car from the lake with the bodies of
1:18:32Michael and Alex inside November 3rd
1:18:341994 Union County Sheriff Howard Wells
1:18:36holds a press conference informing the
1:18:38nation that Smith was charged with two
1:18:39counts of Murder in the drowning deaths
1:18:40of her children November 6 1994 hundreds
1:18:43of mourners turn out for Michael and
1:18:44Alex's wake and funeral their bodies
1:18:46were placed in the same casket December
1:18:4812 1994 Smith is indicted on two charges
1:18:51of murder January 16 1995 16th circuit
1:18:54solicitor Tommy Pope announces his
1:18:56decision to pursue the death penalty
1:18:57July 10 1994 jury selection begins nine
1:19:01men and three women are chosen four
1:19:02black eight white all from Union County
1:19:04July 22nd 1995 the jury finds Smith
1:19:07guilty on two counts of murder July 24
1:19:091995 the penalty phase of the trial
1:19:12begins July 26 1995 David Smith
1:19:15testifies against his ex-wife in
1:19:16heart-wrenching testimony July 28 1995
1:19:19Smith is sentenced to life in prison and
1:19:21is taken to prison September 11 2000
1:19:23Smith is found guilty of sexual
1:19:25misconduct for engaging in sexual acts
1:19:27with two prison guards while
1:19:28incarcerated two lawyers have gone on to
1:19:30make headlines after the Susan Smith
1:19:31trial Judy Clark with attorney David
1:19:33Brook Clark helped convince jurors that
1:19:35Smith was a Financial victim of sexual
1:19:36abuse who should not be executed Clark
1:19:38went on to spare the Unabomber from the
1:19:40death penalty two though Ted Kaczynski
1:19:42never forgave her for trying to make him
1:19:43look insane more recently she did not
1:19:45manage to save Boston Marathon bomber
1:19:47jokar sarnaya from the death penalty she
1:19:49also represented Olympics bomber Eric
1:19:50Rudolph and Jared lowner who tried to
1:19:52assassinate representative Gabrielle
1:19:53Giffords and killed six others
1:19:58foreign
1:20:00well that was interesting huh
1:20:05yeah there's a lot to take in there
1:20:07um you know one thing that really
1:20:09chapped me was
1:20:12to everybody everybody has their own
1:20:15beliefs their own religion I don't knock
1:20:18anybody's religion okay
1:20:21but when he used the saying from John 8
1:20:25verse 7 let he without sin cast the
1:20:29first stone
1:20:30that was about adultery in the Bible
1:20:33that wasn't about murder
1:20:36it wasn't saying that you know
1:20:40just because you committed adultery or
1:20:43you robbed a banker you did that or you
1:20:45did this that you can't cast this stone
1:20:49at somebody who committed murder yeah I
1:20:52thought that was kind of far-fetched too
1:20:53that he would use that
1:20:55um yeah she I mean but she wasn't
1:20:57committing adultery with Tom Finlay
1:21:00right right they were separated and uh
1:21:03they weren't even living together
1:21:04actually they were in a divorce
1:21:07uh divorce was granted before trial well
1:21:12before the murders
1:21:14um so I don't know why he pulled that
1:21:16one out there I just I think that was
1:21:18just a manipulative tactic for the
1:21:21defense attorney I know he's got to do
1:21:22what he's got to do to save his client
1:21:24because
1:21:26everybody deserves due process and has a
1:21:30right to have a fair trial
1:21:33but I think using that was
1:21:37pretty pretty really out there it really
1:21:42was
1:21:44that I was like really what does that
1:21:46have to do with her murdering her tea
1:21:48babies yes because her ex-husband
1:21:51cheated on her is the way that it sounds
1:21:54to me that's why she did it even though
1:21:57she was cheating on him to start off
1:21:58with
1:22:06including family yeah for him he was
1:22:09using that thing to keep them from
1:22:12casting
1:22:13heard a death penalty that's what he
1:22:16used that for he flipped it and it
1:22:20drives me crazy when people flip Bible
1:22:22Bible verses to seat what they want it
1:22:26to suit and and that happens so often I
1:22:29mean it does more often than not
1:22:31especially back in I don't know even a
1:22:34decade ago it was used a lot in court
1:22:37like pulling the Bible out and reading
1:22:39versus much it was used a lot
1:22:43especially it when you're dealing with
1:22:45cases that that involves any sort of
1:22:47religion and and here we had um hardcore
1:22:51religious people on both sides of the
1:22:53family separate religions but they were
1:22:57all religious
1:22:58nonetheless you know highly religious
1:23:00very much so
1:23:02I just didn't like that part I thought
1:23:05that was yes
1:23:08attorney to do that that bothered me
1:23:12and even in the book that I read even
1:23:16the author of that book I can't remember
1:23:18which one did not agree with what he
1:23:22said either
1:23:24well the day fans pulled one hell hell
1:23:27of a job I'm just saying they they did
1:23:30anything
1:23:32um
1:23:32these uh Brock the main one that gives
1:23:36the closing arguments and um he he done
1:23:39a hell of a job and he was very
1:23:42expensive and you know who paid for him
1:23:44for Susan
1:23:46Bev
1:23:47paid for him mortgaged his house and
1:23:50everything and I'm talking about 30
1:23:53years ago that you know it was costing
1:23:56him oh God hundreds of thousands to have
1:23:59Brooke and uh Judy uh well-known
1:24:03attorneys and uh
1:24:05uh honestly they won they did I mean she
1:24:09didn't get the death penalty see that's
1:24:10the only thing this trial was about it
1:24:12wasn't guilt or innocence because she
1:24:15confessed
1:24:17about her sentencing right it was about
1:24:20was she going to be executed or or get
1:24:23life and uh actually the defense
1:24:27won because she didn't get the death
1:24:29penalty which is what the prosecution
1:24:31was going for
1:24:33so
1:24:35um also you know like I said earlier I
1:24:37do have those closing arguments I was
1:24:39able to find those and
1:24:41um I'm gonna go ahead they're already
1:24:43uploaded to the channel I'll go ahead
1:24:44and make them public after this live
1:24:46that way any of you that want to hear
1:24:48those closing arguments you can listen
1:24:51to them there
1:24:52um they're read out and of course
1:24:54because you could not take any kind of
1:24:56recording or anything into the trial
1:25:00um I think the first televised trial if
1:25:02I'm not mistaken was Pam smart which by
1:25:06the way is another skanker
1:25:08um I think she was the first American
1:25:11televised trial am I right pretty sure
1:25:15I'm not sure I think you're right
1:25:19but I think so I think so
1:25:22but I personally think that trials
1:25:26should be televised it should be because
1:25:28the public gets so involved in the cases
1:25:32that we should be able to see what's
1:25:34going on in court you know I agree and
1:25:38in Alabama you can't even bring nothing
1:25:40into a courtroom literally nothing
1:25:43um you can bring a pad and paper and
1:25:46that's it there's there's literally
1:25:48nothing else
1:25:50but I think they should televise it and
1:25:53um I watch Emily Baker and she agrees
1:25:57she thinks that they should be televised
1:25:59as well when she is a
1:26:02an attorney that used to be a
1:26:03prosecuting attorney as well for 17
1:26:06years she's been you know an attorney
1:26:11yeah well so what is everybody in the
1:26:14chat we got like nearly 90 in here what
1:26:17do you think was Susan just a
1:26:20cold-blooded gold digging piece of trash
1:26:23or
1:26:26was she a mentally broken woman that
1:26:30couldn't handle life
1:26:32Like A or B
1:26:35put it in the chat let's let me see what
1:26:37you think because this is one of those
1:26:38torn cases people are torn about it like
1:26:41they believe she was failed since
1:26:43childhood
1:26:45you know her dad killing himself and
1:26:47then her mom getting married to a guy
1:26:49that's molesting her her mom tells her
1:26:51to shut her mouth don't tell nobody
1:26:54um you're not supposed to tell when you
1:26:57have issues you keep that to yourself
1:26:58and I don't know
1:27:01it's a torn case
1:27:03so what was A and B again a was what
1:27:07a was she just a cold-blooded gold
1:27:11digging skank or B was she just uh
1:27:16failed all of her life totally unstable
1:27:19and should have never had the kids to
1:27:21begin with
1:27:22you know
1:27:24well
1:27:26yeah it's it's okay if I go for if I say
1:27:29for myself or you immediately until
1:27:30they're done for myself it's part A and
1:27:33Part B because she was she cold
1:27:38bloodedly murdered those kids she
1:27:40watched those kids cry and beg for her
1:27:44mommy come get you know Mommy Mommy
1:27:46Mommy that's why she closed her eyes and
1:27:48covered her ears I believe
1:27:50but she also had mental issues and she
1:27:55stated again several times that ways
1:27:59that she thought of harming her children
1:28:01and harming herself
1:28:03but
1:28:04there's a lot of us that have been
1:28:06through traumatic things in our life
1:28:09we've some of us have been the r word
1:28:13some of us have been s Aid some of us
1:28:16have been physically beaten by
1:28:21significant others but we didn't choose
1:28:25to murder our children or murder anyone
1:28:28else
1:28:30I get that the system failed her but did
1:28:34when she got older did she reach out to
1:28:37anybody did she knew it was wrong she
1:28:40knew right from wrong but so did the
1:28:43people around her knew that too but
1:28:45nobody seemed to do anything about it
1:28:47but laugh at her and take advantage of
1:28:49her
1:28:50because all these guys that she's
1:28:52sleeping with they would obviously know
1:28:54there's something wrong with her daddy
1:28:56issues oh my God that's right that's
1:28:58exactly what she had was daddy issues
1:29:01did you if you noticed when she when she
1:29:03went to prison these guards she was
1:29:06having this relationships with too to
1:29:08get what she wanted from the outside
1:29:11um look how old they were you know they
1:29:13were like double her age the man she had
1:29:16the affair with at Winn-Dixie before she
1:29:19met David he was married man with kids
1:29:20she actually got pregnant by him and got
1:29:23an abortion and when he broke up with
1:29:25her she tried to kill herself so she had
1:29:27this history of every time she was
1:29:29rejected by a man
1:29:32um she tried to kill herself and with
1:29:34that was a cry for attention to be like
1:29:37oh my gosh I'm here I'm not gonna you
1:29:40know I think that's what she was looking
1:29:42for was
1:29:43them to come back and rescue her it's
1:29:46like she searched for love forever and
1:29:49and I don't know what the situation is
1:29:52but
1:29:53her her children
1:29:55should have been that love that
1:29:58unconditional love that she would never
1:30:01happen but but she looked farther than
1:30:03that and that's why I said daddy issues
1:30:07it's if she just would have looked at
1:30:10what God gave her if he gave her
1:30:13two boys that would Unconditionally Love
1:30:16Her for the rest of her life
1:30:19absolutely the only thing is though it's
1:30:23like she is a set or a sex addict though
1:30:27you know so she couldn't get that from
1:30:29her her boys
1:30:30was she though or was it that she
1:30:34thought that's the only way she could
1:30:36get males so that's what I think is that
1:30:38she used sex as a way to get the
1:30:41attention I don't think she was a sex
1:30:42addict I think she used sex too
1:30:47[Music]
1:30:49you know so
1:30:51well yeah she's using sex to get what
1:30:54she wants while she's in prison
1:30:57if she has sex with the guards they're
1:31:00gonna give her what she wants whatever
1:31:02that may be
1:31:04yeah but she is having sex with all the
1:31:06girls on there too
1:31:08anybody that looked masculine by the
1:31:11sounds of things so yeah
1:31:14yeah but then again
1:31:17yes that's what I think for protection
1:31:20and maybe they had commissaries and
1:31:23stuff that she had doesn't have access
1:31:25to and if she became their
1:31:28thing
1:31:30um they would give them to her I mean
1:31:33there's she's very calculating from the
1:31:36things I've read she goes after what she
1:31:40wants and she knows what she wants and
1:31:42she knows how to manipulate to get what
1:31:44she wants
1:31:46it's like she turns it off and on from
1:31:49what I've read he uses her body
1:31:54um I don't I don't even know it's it's
1:31:57very it's a complicating sad sad
1:32:00situation I tell you what I'm not gonna
1:32:02lie I feel sorry for Susan
1:32:07as a child yes I do I feel very sad for
1:32:11the for the little girl for the little
1:32:14to endure all of that abuse yes and then
1:32:19no one there to help her yes the child
1:32:23Susan that was ignored the child Susan
1:32:26that was uh pushed to the side told to
1:32:29keep your mouth shut don't tell family
1:32:31Affairs all that Susan is what made the
1:32:34monster Susan
1:32:36and the monster her mother deserves a
1:32:41person
1:32:42too I mean I just do she knew better
1:32:46and you know that there is no excuse for
1:32:49what she did
1:32:51um people can say she was a great mother
1:32:53all day long and I believe she probably
1:32:56was so was Chris Watts right he was a
1:32:58great father
1:32:59that does not take away what neither one
1:33:02of them did
1:33:03um
1:33:05you know there there's no excuse there's
1:33:07none
1:33:10at the end of the day they ruined they
1:33:12ended their lives and took away a future
1:33:18that those boys could have had and like
1:33:20they said those boys would be grown with
1:33:23families of their own right now
1:33:26I'm doing something you know there's no
1:33:29telling what they could have become
1:33:31absolutely but she took that away
1:33:36I would never trust those and I was
1:33:38shocked to read and find out if they
1:33:40trust her to get with their kids I was
1:33:43like are you kidding me I had to read
1:33:45that again I was like I know I read that
1:33:47wrong seriously that's not right right
1:33:50yeah remember I called you saying what
1:33:53in the Sam heck
1:33:56oh my God
1:34:00yes yes oh yeah okay yeah isn't that
1:34:04crazy it's insane she watched the kids
1:34:07while they were doing their interviews
1:34:10or what have you
1:34:12oh yeah and did you hear the um Tommy
1:34:15Pope the prosecution
1:34:17of just now in in one of his interviews
1:34:19he said yeah while this clip was showing
1:34:22the reenactment of the water you know
1:34:24and they even had the little dummy uh in
1:34:26the back seat and car seats I mean they
1:34:29literally did this reenactment spot on
1:34:31you know and they said she was sitting
1:34:34over there playing Tic-Tac-Toe with her
1:34:36attorney and laughing while that was
1:34:39playing
1:34:40like what in there and then when the
1:34:43jury came in she started to cry that is
1:34:47disgusting
1:34:50unbelievable
1:34:53the jury couldn't see that too bad the
1:34:56jury didn't get to see her first
1:34:58reaction
1:35:01yeah they were in the room while she was
1:35:03laughing when it first was playing you
1:35:05know and they was making sure the type
1:35:07was going to play fun and everything no
1:35:08she was over there laughing
1:35:12and what makes that even worse is she
1:35:15was laughing during the first play and
1:35:18it seemed like she had saw it before
1:35:20right she's not even saw this yet this
1:35:22reenactment
1:35:24the first time she was watching it she's
1:35:26laughing
1:35:27and playing Tic-Tac-Toe
1:35:29do you know how painful it is to drown
1:35:33have you ever nearly drowned has anyone
1:35:36ever nearly drowned have not I'm
1:35:38terrified of water
1:35:40um I won't go on boats anymore because
1:35:44of this incident
1:35:47um we were on the raft where you hold on
1:35:50to
1:35:52the rope and The Handlebar on the rope
1:35:56and you're on the circle raft that's
1:35:58flying and bumping you around and
1:36:00everything
1:36:02yes I back then I only weighed like 95
1:36:06pounds I think soaking wet I was really
1:36:09tiny
1:36:11and
1:36:13um the guy that was driving the boat was
1:36:15like I'm not gonna go as fast as I
1:36:16normally do because you're too little
1:36:17you'll fling off of here
1:36:20well another boat
1:36:22crossed in front of us and there was no
1:36:25way to divert from their wake
1:36:28and we flew over I lost
1:36:33you know my grip on the rope and of
1:36:38course I'm screaming might so my mouth
1:36:40is wide open when I hit the water I go
1:36:44in and I instantly swallow water and
1:36:49start breathing in water
1:36:51it oh so bad and then when they get help
1:36:57you get the water out by doing that I'm
1:37:01you know doing
1:37:03they do in the Heimlich and stuff on you
1:37:05it is very very painful
1:37:09so for those kids to go under and be
1:37:13breathing that water taking in that
1:37:16first breath I can tell you from
1:37:19personal experience it's scary it hurts
1:37:24and you don't know what to do
1:37:28yeah oh my God I have read where
1:37:31drowning is horrific
1:37:34yes and I haven't been skiing on a boat
1:37:37or done anything like that since I
1:37:40haven't even been on a boat since then
1:37:42and back then I was 22 years old when
1:37:48that happened
1:37:49and nope never will again no never never
1:37:56had to be taken the hospital and get
1:37:58checked out and make sure I was okay and
1:38:02make sure there was no more water in my
1:38:04lungs and that I didn't because we were
1:38:08in
1:38:09Texas Galveston water is not the
1:38:12healthiest with pressure right I made
1:38:15sure I didn't have any bacterial
1:38:17infections and put me on an antibiotic
1:38:19just to be safe you know yeah it was it
1:38:24was traumatic and it hurt my throat hurt
1:38:27for a good few days after that and my
1:38:30lungs it hurt to take a deep breath
1:38:33because of the intake and them pushing
1:38:36on me
1:38:40the little boys their autopsies
1:38:44um showed that they were um alive of
1:38:47course when they drowned and
1:38:51um
1:38:53the oldest one had tried to unstrap or
1:38:58undo the car seat one of his little
1:39:01hands was grasp around the car seat and
1:39:04the other one was smashed against the
1:39:07window where he was trying to get out
1:39:11and this is what they say and and that
1:39:14one um the one of the divers Steve
1:39:17Morrow
1:39:19he is actually the one that found the
1:39:21car and was able to look in and see the
1:39:24babies
1:39:25and he came up and it was horrific he is
1:39:29one of the ones that had to um unstrap
1:39:31the babies from the car he put him into
1:39:34the ambulance
1:39:36from the crime scene
1:39:38and he's had
1:39:40a hell of a heart go with it since
1:39:45but he still does it you know he still
1:39:48does it he was actually also one of the
1:39:51ones that helped to um
1:39:54cover the seven
1:39:56that happened in 96 you know that family
1:39:59had went out there to just I mean just
1:40:02to see the memorial they had teddy bears
1:40:05and flowers and they went there to visit
1:40:08and place the flowers and memorials you
1:40:11know out there and they said that the
1:40:13car just
1:40:15one of them was an SUV
1:40:17just took off
1:40:19and Witnesses says that they never saw
1:40:22any brake lights hit or anything as the
1:40:25SUV went into the water and then the
1:40:28another family member I think it was
1:40:30family member right behind them in a car
1:40:34they took off running to try to help
1:40:37them that was in the SUV and they drown
1:40:39as well
1:40:41but there was four kids in that SUV and
1:40:44two of them were in car seats
1:40:47that is horrible
1:40:49yeah and one of them was just uh an
1:40:53infant that was being babysat uh
1:40:57the family
1:41:00do you think that family Annihilation is
1:41:04it
1:41:05I know that that families of you know
1:41:09parents or dads or moms have been
1:41:11killing their families and stuff
1:41:13for a long time but do you think it's
1:41:16been going on for a long time or are we
1:41:19now just all of a sudden
1:41:22seeing it
1:41:24more and more often oh yeah it's it's
1:41:28it's been
1:41:29forever
1:41:31um
1:41:32it's been forever but it just seems to
1:41:36be getting worse and it seems it's just
1:41:38like it's not even really
1:41:41I don't know it
1:41:43I don't know I can't even answer that
1:41:46Nelly but yes it's been going on forever
1:41:48and it's it does seem to be getting
1:41:51worse and like you say I don't know if
1:41:52it's because we have more information
1:41:53now and things get put out there more
1:41:55but even doing deep diving into these
1:41:58cases
1:41:59um it seems like children have always
1:42:02sadly
1:42:03been one of the
1:42:06top victims of of so many crimes you
1:42:10know as children innocent yes when when
1:42:14my son was in
1:42:16sixth grade
1:42:19sixth or seventh grade
1:42:21there was a house that was over there by
1:42:23this school and when Brandon got out of
1:42:26school there was tape all around it you
1:42:29know police tape every police officer in
1:42:33my little bitty town was there
1:42:37and on the news it came out that the
1:42:40wife had murdered
1:42:43the two younger kids when they got home
1:42:47then murdered the Junior High kid when
1:42:49he got home and turned the gun on
1:42:52herself
1:42:54and the dad came home to find his entire
1:42:57family deceased
1:43:00and she did it because
1:43:03the husband
1:43:06could no longer handle the way she was
1:43:09treating the children in her
1:43:12disciplinary actions so he was filing
1:43:15for divorce and he was gonna take
1:43:18custody of the kids
1:43:20so she killed them and herself so that
1:43:24way he wouldn't have anything
1:43:27and that's what she left in her note
1:43:30yeah so many times child custody
1:43:35that that does happen so you know if
1:43:38you're not getting my kids you know I'll
1:43:40take them both and and a lot of people
1:43:42think maybe that was the situation with
1:43:43this case it wasn't
1:43:46um wasn't it a lot of people says why
1:43:48didn't she give the kids to David he
1:43:50wanted them you know no uh that wasn't
1:43:53what the divorce said the divorce was
1:43:56there was not even any argument over
1:43:58custody at all with those two it was
1:44:00like
1:44:01uh already said there that she was going
1:44:04to get primary and of course he was
1:44:06going to get visitation that's what they
1:44:07both wanted
1:44:09and
1:44:10uh she took the kids to Winn-Dixie like
1:44:13almost every day after she picked him up
1:44:15from daycare to see him you know that's
1:44:18where he worked he was a manager
1:44:20um
1:44:21ironically oddly enough now
1:44:25she was a David was dating uh Tiffany
1:44:30while he was married to Susan and then
1:44:33of course he left Susan and he continued
1:44:35to to date Tiffany and after Susan went
1:44:39to uh prison they got married and then
1:44:42they had a little girl I think her name
1:44:44was Savannah
1:44:45uh Tiffany and David did
1:44:48and um
1:44:50David also has a son that he was
1:44:55that was born from an extramarital
1:44:58affair
1:44:59while he was married to Tiffany and I
1:45:02think the son is younger I think he's
1:45:04like uh three two or three years younger
1:45:08than his and Tiffany's and him and
1:45:11Tiffany is from
1:45:13only thing I could see I guess they're
1:45:16still together
1:45:18but uh seems like David you know he he
1:45:22also and he admitted himself that he was
1:45:25a lousy husband that was his words
1:45:28he admitted uh a few times worried
1:45:31through Susan around
1:45:34abusive to her
1:45:37um
1:45:38cheated on her
1:45:39all the time
1:45:41and he left her and moved back in with
1:45:44his grandma right after they bought
1:45:46their first house
1:45:48um he left her and Michael
1:45:51and then he came back and that's when
1:45:54she got pregnant with Alex
1:45:56and then after Alex was born Alex was
1:45:59only I don't know just a couple months
1:46:02old he left Susan again
1:46:05and moved back to his grandma's and it
1:46:08was just constantly back and forth back
1:46:10and forth and it seemed like every time
1:46:12Susan was having any kind of breakdown
1:46:14mentally she would turn to The
1:46:16Stepfather of hers
1:46:18and I mean they had had they had slept
1:46:22together you know less than two months
1:46:24before these murders
1:46:28so she never stopped sleeping with the
1:46:30stepfather The Stepfather in my opinion
1:46:32groomed her as a child
1:46:34he took responsibility for it he did but
1:46:39he also threw out there in the
1:46:42trial that yeah he did molester and he
1:46:46does bear a lot of this while her head's
1:46:48so messed up
1:46:49but her mom and her decided not to ever
1:46:53press charges against him so even though
1:46:57there was an investigation the CPS was
1:46:59aware of it the school was aware of it
1:47:01and as I say the police department came
1:47:03out to do an investigation on this
1:47:05molestation
1:47:07um
1:47:08since they didn't want to press charges
1:47:10all of the records were tightly sealed
1:47:13100 sealed and never spoke about again
1:47:18um which is very unfortunate that man
1:47:20was a pedophile and I don't care how you
1:47:23look at it he was a pedophile
1:47:29I'm surprised the D.A didn't take it on
1:47:32you know like the state go ahead and
1:47:34just do it it does now
1:47:44uh so done with it says that uh hoping
1:47:47to be paroled in 2025 it's actually
1:47:492024. uh November the 4th 2024 is when
1:47:53she's going out for pro I don't see her
1:47:55getting it I hope she doesn't get it
1:47:59um so she has inherited a hundred
1:48:02thousand dollars from the sale of her
1:48:03mom's house uh she yeah I know she's
1:48:06worth a lot of money the last I heard
1:48:08she was worth at least 200 000. so she's
1:48:13she's well set up you know either way I
1:48:16mean in her commentary or whatever she's
1:48:20she's set up
1:48:25that's so disgusting
1:48:30yeah I don't think she will either and I
1:48:32I hope she don't you know I'm completely
1:48:35on David's side of her never getting out
1:48:37again she doesn't deserve it ever
1:48:42she took those baby's breath away okay
1:48:44she don't deserve to breathe fresh air
1:48:47in my opinion either
1:48:52um does anybody else have any questions
1:48:55Dave Nelly y'all got anything to say
1:49:03she deserves to be out I think she
1:49:06deserves to stay in prison I really
1:49:10think she deserved the death penalty not
1:49:13this life in prison full Kaka
1:49:17oh yeah if she would have got lost she
1:49:19would have already been executed
1:49:21um
1:49:22you know
1:49:24and I don't think she I think she should
1:49:26have got if they were gonna do life than
1:49:28life without the possibility of parole
1:49:31so that way this poor family doesn't
1:49:34have to go through this every so many
1:49:36years having to go up there and fight
1:49:40why she shouldn't get out all it does is
1:49:44take those poor people back to that day
1:49:46that they already live in pretty much
1:49:49every day of their life anyway
1:49:52we all um we've all lost somebody that
1:49:55we love
1:49:56and we know how we feel just by losing
1:50:01them to cancer or to an automobile
1:50:03accident or to a health condition we
1:50:07always still mourn that person can you
1:50:10imagine how someone feels to have to
1:50:13relive knowing that their babies were
1:50:16murdered by their mother or by their
1:50:20sister by their daughter
1:50:22I mean I could look at her I could I
1:50:26couldn't either I couldn't look at her
1:50:27and I don't think it's fair that these
1:50:30poor people have to go up there to have
1:50:33to fight to keep her butt where it's at
1:50:36because she deserves to be there
1:50:38absolutely absolutely I'm sorry Dave I
1:50:42went on a tyrant and interrupted you go
1:50:44ahead and say yours I'm so sorry sweetie
1:50:46okay I forgot
1:50:49go ahead no in most of these cases it's
1:50:52like everybody remembers like her name
1:50:56and like all these other women that have
1:50:58been killing their kids but it seems
1:51:00like the kids are forgotten like nobody
1:51:02knows their names and is very seldom
1:51:04that they'll know that I was either two
1:51:06boys or a boy and a girl or whatever
1:51:08just that there was kids involved and
1:51:11it's like I don't know I think they
1:51:13should actually spend more when they
1:51:16they do talk about these cases what the
1:51:18kids names actually were because
1:51:21that are actual victims of this and
1:51:24nobody knows who they are absolutely
1:51:26absolutely they're the ones that hide
1:51:29the ultimate price
1:51:31the ultimate price for all the damn
1:51:33dysfunctions and both
1:51:36parents they play the ultimate price and
1:51:39it is so
1:51:41messed up man
1:51:43Mike Jay says how messed up I believe
1:51:46she's talking about the stepfather here
1:51:47I believe Susan was groomed
1:51:51um I don't believe it happened when she
1:51:52was 15 only I believe this man could
1:51:55have been grooming her
1:51:56um since she was six and a half seven
1:51:59years old me too um it she supposedly
1:52:03now this is the story that um her and
1:52:06her mom
1:52:07and even him eventually told
1:52:11um was that when Susan was 15 that's
1:52:14when this started however and it was
1:52:16said how did this ever even start how
1:52:19did whatever
1:52:20how did it even start right it was
1:52:23claimed that when Susan was 15 years old
1:52:27see her stepdad Bev has three other
1:52:31children from a prior marriage all
1:52:33females so the one of the female
1:52:35daughters came and spent the night with
1:52:37them one night and they gave her Susan's
1:52:41bedroom so Susan was left to sleep on
1:52:43the living room couch
1:52:45and it was said that while she was
1:52:48laying on the living room couch
1:52:50her stepdad Bev was at the other end of
1:52:53the couch and
1:52:55um instead of asking him to get up and
1:52:57move she just got over there and sat
1:53:00down in his lap and acted like she fell
1:53:02asleep on his chest now this is when she
1:53:05was 15 years old
1:53:07okay I'm gonna stop right there what 15
1:53:10year old
1:53:11jumps up in her step dad's lap lays her
1:53:14head on his chest
1:53:16and goes to sleep
1:53:18now that
1:53:20I can see I don't know three four or
1:53:23five years old whatever but 15.
1:53:27another chance so there was in my
1:53:30opinion there was something going on
1:53:32before that time now she told her mom
1:53:36and this is when her mom became aware
1:53:39or so they say at the molestation is
1:53:41when she was 15. but they told the mom
1:53:44that what happened was she fell asleep
1:53:48in his lap
1:53:50and she felt him under her shirt you
1:53:52know fondling her and then
1:53:56he had taken her hand and placed it on
1:53:59him
1:54:00and she said she continued to act like
1:54:02she was asleep oh while this was
1:54:06happening and she told her mom the
1:54:07reason that she didn't stop him was
1:54:11because she wanted to see how far he
1:54:13would take it and then the next morning
1:54:15is when she went to school until the
1:54:17guidance counselor who in turn told her
1:54:21she needed to go home and tell her
1:54:23mother and the guidance counselor of
1:54:25course contacted CPS who contacted the
1:54:27police department
1:54:29uh Mom jumped on her you can't do this
1:54:32you're going to destroy our family you
1:54:34can't be telling people stuff like this
1:54:36I mean you know why did you sit there
1:54:39and let him do that
1:54:41and even as she got older like even when
1:54:46she was 17 18.
1:54:49when she was 18 she finally admitted to
1:54:52her therapist and yes she had was having
1:54:54to have counseling for this
1:54:57um she finally admitted to the therapist
1:54:59that the uh sex she was having with her
1:55:03stepfather was totally consensual now
1:55:05and so the therapist asked her why or I
1:55:09mean why is this happening you know this
1:55:11is your stepfather why why are you
1:55:13allowing this and and why are you saying
1:55:15it's consensual
1:55:17and she said well it is consensual she
1:55:20said uh the thing of it is is to be
1:55:23honest and this is Susan telling the
1:55:25therapist she said to be honest
1:55:29um I believe I deserve as much attention
1:55:30from him as my mom does and if we're not
1:55:34having
1:55:35um sex then I'm not getting the
1:55:37attention from him that I deserve now
1:55:39that's Susan telling the therapist
1:55:41that's at 18 years old okay so you can't
1:55:44tell me that her mind
1:55:47obviously she wasn't right but why was
1:55:51she competing with her mom
1:55:53for attention from the stepfather and
1:55:56why did she think
1:55:58that getting his attention meant having
1:56:00sex with him
1:56:02okay well that goes back to being
1:56:04groomed but to me the whole thing is is
1:56:07it's almost like the mother
1:56:09uh let this all happen in order to keep
1:56:12her husband otherwise he would leave her
1:56:15for somebody else so she didn't let
1:56:17everything happen so yeah the mother's
1:56:20big to blame here in my opinion now she
1:56:22wrote a book I haven't read her book but
1:56:24I'm going to
1:56:26um I want to know what her
1:56:28story was the mother's book I don't
1:56:31think I can read it because I don't want
1:56:34to hear her
1:56:36[ __ ] excuses yeah I believe them I
1:56:40believe I blame Susan's mom a lot
1:56:44um she was it I don't know I know you
1:56:46read this Nelly but another thing that
1:56:49really upset me about the mom was okay
1:56:52you remember us talking about David's
1:56:55brother died 11 days before the wedding
1:56:59right 11 days and he was buried at that
1:57:03you know his funeral was at that one
1:57:05church that we talked about
1:57:07okay
1:57:09David's family
1:57:11was grieving think about it the dad even
1:57:15tried to take its own life right
1:57:18they were grieving hard over their son
1:57:20that just passed away
1:57:24Susan's mother was like no I've already
1:57:27put too much money into this wedding I
1:57:29have already
1:57:31um invitations out of all this plans no
1:57:34the wedding's gonna go on I'm sorry you
1:57:37know that you had a funeral like nine
1:57:39days ago uh but but we're gonna go ahead
1:57:42with this wedding and you know who that
1:57:45reminded me of that's so messed up
1:57:49um
1:57:49I mean they're great they're grieving
1:57:52their child's dead yes I mean come on
1:57:56the wedding is the last thing they care
1:58:00about right now exactly and Susan's
1:58:03mom's like no we're gonna have the
1:58:04wedding what do the gal show up or not
1:58:06you know we're gonna have it well
1:58:08as we said you know his family did show
1:58:11up but Mom stayed outside because it was
1:58:13a Methodist Church and that had nothing
1:58:15to do with The Grieving part it was just
1:58:17she wouldn't even go into the sun
1:58:19grandson's funerals either
1:58:21I'm not sure how they called The Church
1:58:24in the venue and let them know what
1:58:27happened they would have probably
1:58:28accommodated them yes they may have
1:58:31charged a little bit extra for having to
1:58:34you know move things around and losing
1:58:38having another wedding at that point but
1:58:42he died eight days before the wedding in
1:58:45eight days they could have called
1:58:47somebody else to take over at that
1:58:49wedding exactly all she had to do was
1:58:53call and say look and
1:58:55the groom's brother unexpectedly died
1:58:59we need to move this wedding
1:59:02and I'm sure they would have
1:59:04accommodated her you know they would
1:59:06have even the kind whoever catered it
1:59:09and things like that totally understood
1:59:11I mean but I mean there's some things
1:59:13that are just out of your control yeah
1:59:16it's just like both families had their
1:59:19own sets of issues I mean think about it
1:59:21Susan Smith is also David's Stepmother's
1:59:25uh name right her name's Susan too and
1:59:30she committed suicide too I mean she
1:59:32she's two two years I think it was after
1:59:34Michael and Alex she committed suicide
1:59:37and his dad had tried to commit suicide
1:59:39and Susan had tried to commit suicide
1:59:42numerous of times and the molestation
1:59:44and the mom uh defending the stepdad and
1:59:48and then her continuing this
1:59:50relationship with the stepfather
1:59:52um up to a month you know just a little
1:59:54over a month before she murdered the
1:59:56kids it's like
1:59:58oh my God it's just so dysfunctional
2:00:02good Lord there was nothing good going
2:00:03to come into anything there
2:00:06it almost sounds like the wells too
2:00:09wow yeah I mean how do you even wrap
2:00:12your head around all that and it's like
2:00:16the babies were just there you know they
2:00:18were just there and I said they say
2:00:20Susan was an amazing mom and David they
2:00:22were both amazing parents but when
2:00:24you've got all this dysfunction
2:00:26the lessons some something's gonna
2:00:29happen I mean literally something is
2:00:31nothing's good going to come of this
2:00:35and unfortunately it does seem to be the
2:00:38children every time that ends up paying
2:00:40the ultimate price for all of the
2:00:42dysfunction that they're born into and
2:00:45it's so damn unfortunate
2:00:48uh that's why these kind of that's why
2:00:50we do these cases and things like that
2:00:53uh there's signs y'all there is Sons and
2:00:58if you know them and and people don't
2:01:01like to get involved in other people's
2:01:02business I get that it's like you know
2:01:05she's that [ __ ] crazy she don't need to
2:01:07have them kids you know and it's sad
2:01:10but somebody Somebody's gotta be the bad
2:01:13guy and step up
2:01:15much the same as the the Watts like the
2:01:18route 6 they lived there for 18 months
2:01:20and they didn't do a damn thing to help
2:01:22them little girls you know they could
2:01:24have stood up against China and say hey
2:01:26unlock the damn doors take the the locks
2:01:29off you know yeah I mean so nobody there
2:01:32somebody's got to be the bad guy
2:01:35it got to be because if you don't have
2:01:38at least one person that's going to be
2:01:40the bad guy and step up and go look
2:01:41y'all this y'all gonna have to do
2:01:43something here you know or I'm gonna
2:01:46take these kids myself until you get
2:01:48your [ __ ] worked out either way
2:01:49somebody's got to be the bad guy people
2:01:51hate the bad guy I get that but think
2:01:54about uh hell American Idol Simon Cowell
2:01:56he was the bad guy but who was the most
2:01:58respected dude on the show
2:02:01all right
2:02:07for them to check into it if you don't
2:02:11want your name out there me personally
2:02:13whenever I've called CPS I've given my
2:02:16name I don't give a [ __ ] if the person
2:02:18knows they're treating their kids
2:02:19horrible and that kid needed to be taken
2:02:23away and that kid got taken away the
2:02:26girl hates me with the passion and talks
2:02:30about me as often as she can but you
2:02:33know what at least that baby is now in a
2:02:36good home and is being taken care of and
2:02:39that's left
2:02:40that's good you don't go sneak off to go
2:02:43see your new man and leave your
2:02:48two-year-old
2:02:49your 18 month old and your five-year-old
2:02:53to watch over them while they sleep and
2:02:57you hurry up and come back the next
2:02:59morning a candle was still lit the
2:03:03candle tipped over and the living room
2:03:05caught on fire
2:03:07oh my God
2:03:10that's how it got that's how she got
2:03:13caught and you bet your bottom dollar
2:03:15when we lived in those apartments I
2:03:18called
2:03:20I didn't care yeah
2:03:23well I mean you you know you could
2:03:24probably did save this child
2:03:27like I was reading a story today of a
2:03:31mom and uh her parents everybody around
2:03:35her knew she was just a raging
2:03:37um meth head right and she had her kids
2:03:41of course uh she had her kids in her
2:03:43apartment and nobody heard from her for
2:03:46a few days and so
2:03:49um someone called in a welfare checked
2:03:51and cops looked through the window and
2:03:52sure enough they see her
2:03:56light out there on the floor
2:04:00and they see a little girl just running
2:04:03around around in the house with no
2:04:05clothes on so that's obviously we can
2:04:09kick this door down there's a medical
2:04:10emergency obviously right so they do
2:04:14they kick the door down
2:04:16they go inside and the mother is
2:04:19obviously OD'd uh the meth had fentanyl
2:04:23in it uh the autopsy has brought that
2:04:26back but anyway the little
2:04:27three-year-old girl was just she had
2:04:31done her best uh she was eating candy
2:04:33all kinds of stuff just to survive but
2:04:37the kicker of it was this
2:04:40um six months old in a car seat in the
2:04:42bedroom on the floor a baby uh strapped
2:04:46in its car seat
2:04:48deceased it had died of malnutrition yes
2:04:52and this happened like over the weekend
2:04:54it had died of malnutrition and
2:04:57dehydration but what is so sad also to
2:05:01this is the three-year-old
2:05:04didn't talk that well if hardly at all
2:05:07however you could tell they said that
2:05:10she was trying to help her little
2:05:13six-month-old brother because there was
2:05:15eggshells and raw egg that was dried on
2:05:19the baby she was trying to feed it oh
2:05:22wow yes and um water watering cups that
2:05:27she had gotten out of the toilet because
2:05:29she couldn't reach the sink
2:05:31oh no poor baby
2:05:35and this this was just like within the
2:05:40last week oh wow yes
2:05:44um
2:05:45I'll find the story I was writing on it
2:05:47I was like thought about putting it on
2:05:50the other the breaking Crown News
2:05:51Channel but I'm just like no
2:05:54no
2:05:56um I don't know I want to say it was in
2:05:59pencil no it was in Tennessee it was in
2:06:01Tennessee
2:06:02bye you said that this happened to her
2:06:05son's baby mama dopehead found my
2:06:08grandson wandering around a golf course
2:06:12oh wow that's horrible I am so sorry
2:06:16foreign
2:06:18that's
2:06:19horrific
2:06:21yeah I mean it's it's so unfortunate and
2:06:24like I say with all this dysfunction and
2:06:27going back to that one I was just
2:06:28telling you about that happened recently
2:06:31um you know her family knew she had this
2:06:34problem
2:06:36right obviously
2:06:38um
2:06:40why was that why were they not heard
2:06:43from for I don't remember how long it
2:06:45was
2:06:47but it was a length of time obviously
2:06:49because the baby had already passed away
2:06:52from malnutrition and dehydration
2:06:55and the little girl was very well on her
2:06:58way there as well
2:07:01why wait that long when you have not
2:07:03heard from someone you know has these
2:07:05little children and they are a raging
2:07:09drug addict
2:07:12as I say somebody's got to be the bad
2:07:15guy
2:07:17like I said if you see something say
2:07:20something you never know your little bit
2:07:24of saying something could save
2:07:28a child or could save a person you never
2:07:31know absolutely no matter how
2:07:34insignificant you think it is
2:07:37it could be something big that busts a
2:07:40case wide open you just never know
2:07:43and so you know love save a little life
2:07:48that that wants to live man there's so
2:07:51many people out here that would take
2:07:53these babies in a flat minute oh yes
2:07:55there are people out there that can't
2:07:57conceive that would love to have a baby
2:08:02it's and then people like Susan Smith
2:08:05are murdering them you know I mean come
2:08:09on
2:08:10CSI did a
2:08:13um because you know CSI
2:08:15Miami and all them they take stuff out
2:08:18of headlines and then they turn it into
2:08:20a show that they cram everything into an
2:08:23hour yes and make it look like all the
2:08:26DNA and everything's done like in the
2:08:27lickety split yeah yeah and they did one
2:08:32where a little girl was walking around
2:08:35the neighborhood and she had blood on
2:08:37her little onesie feet or her little you
2:08:41know Shadow onesie on that went from her
2:08:42feet all the way up I forget what that's
2:08:44called but
2:08:47um she was walking around the
2:08:48neighborhood and she had blood all over
2:08:50her feet
2:08:51and they traced it back to her home and
2:08:55everyone in the home was killed
2:08:58and they were trying to figure out what
2:09:00happened
2:09:01well they didn't make it the story
2:09:04didn't go the way it really happened but
2:09:07a lot of it did happen in real life to
2:09:11somebody I went to school with
2:09:13her and her husband her husband was a
2:09:18drug dealer
2:09:19they had a little boy and they had a
2:09:23little girl
2:09:24the little boy was at his dad's house
2:09:27and their little girl was at home
2:09:30and
2:09:31the guys came in and they wanted
2:09:34some drugs and they wanted to trade
2:09:37their
2:09:38PlayStation or something for it
2:09:42and they said no that they weren't going
2:09:45to do that they had enough PlayStations
2:09:48that they were waiting for people to
2:09:49actually bring them money they wanted
2:09:51money for it
2:09:53well the guy went back home
2:09:56and his wife I am friend was friends
2:09:59with I don't talk to her anymore but
2:10:02he went home
2:10:04got a gun and him and that other guy
2:10:06went back and they killed both of them
2:10:10and the little girl was in the playpen
2:10:13watching everything unfold
2:10:16and they picked her up and took her out
2:10:20of the playpen so she could freely walk
2:10:22around the house and they didn't harm
2:10:25her but she was crying you know for her
2:10:28mommy and daddy she was she was barely
2:10:3118 months old
2:10:34so she didn't really understand that
2:10:36yeah what was going on when they left
2:10:39the door open and she pushed the screen
2:10:41door open and proceeded to walk around
2:10:43the trailer park
2:10:45and she went to where the maintenance
2:10:47guy always was with the flowers and he
2:10:51had snacks for her and she would help
2:10:54him with the flowers every day the mom
2:10:56knew it and everything was fine
2:11:01and um
2:11:02you noticed the blood on her feet went
2:11:06back to her house and the dad and the
2:11:09mom were both shot execution Style
2:11:13oh my God
2:11:16and the girl
2:11:18went to the her first they were never
2:11:23married her and the guy never got
2:11:25married that she had the son with
2:11:27but he did not want the children to be
2:11:30separated so he fought him and his wife
2:11:33fought tooth and nail to get that little
2:11:36girl and they finally won and now that
2:11:40little girl
2:11:42lives with them and she's actually
2:11:45she'll be
2:11:46a senior in college this year oh wow it
2:11:50was and she's going to school to be a
2:11:55crime scene oh really that's awesome
2:11:58that's awesome see a positive from a
2:12:02negative that's awesome
2:12:04well
2:12:06you better not miss the next uh
2:12:10skanker's ball I've been more of a
2:12:13secrecy because both Nelly and Kim know
2:12:15where I live so I don't dare say a thing
2:12:18it's gonna be a really good one I don't
2:12:22know it's probably going to be up there
2:12:24with uh uh Ken and Barbie but this one
2:12:28here people say this person is guilty
2:12:30and then half of them say this person is
2:12:34not guilty so yeah he could be the judge
2:12:37but don't miss this one yeah there will
2:12:40be a long one guys it's a deep dive and
2:12:44you know bear with us it might be four
2:12:47or five episodes long because there's a
2:12:50lot to go over with this case absolutely
2:12:54a bunch and can I have already started
2:12:58our research and we have spent hours and
2:13:01hours listening to things looking at
2:13:04things and finding more things that we
2:13:07weren't expecting to find and it's just
2:13:10like holy moly what did we get ourselves
2:13:13yeah there's a lot there's a lot
2:13:17but not gonna say if it's a guy or a
2:13:19girl that's involved in this one but
2:13:21right yeah I'll send it to you guys this
2:13:23way I'm taking a week's vacation to go
2:13:27through this deep dive that's how big of
2:13:30a deep dive we're doing it is it's uh
2:13:34it's it's controversial if not more so
2:13:36than the Watts case
2:13:38[Music]
2:13:39it's definitely
2:13:41and I need my full attention I can't do
2:13:45accounting and running the floor and
2:13:50directing everybody where to go and try
2:13:53to research this because by the time I
2:13:55get home I know right oh I wish I could
2:13:59tell them really where to go some people
2:14:03well um before we close this let me let
2:14:06me run back over here to this
2:14:08um it's real quick and I think it's
2:14:11important it's something that Mac J
2:14:14brought to us I didn't have I had looked
2:14:16everywhere for it didn't have it and as
2:14:19I said I think that Tom Finlay is a POS
2:14:23I'm sorry but I do
2:14:25um he seems like a narcissistic bastard
2:14:27to me
2:14:29um I'm sorry that's just the way I read
2:14:32him but um Mac Jay was able to get us
2:14:38the actual letter
2:14:39uh from Tom and Susan's reply as well
2:14:45so uh we're gonna get this out here to
2:14:47you before we close this tonight because
2:14:49I think it needs to be a part of it you
2:14:52know you'll kind of know also don't
2:14:54forget if you're interested in here in
2:14:57the closing arguments to this case as
2:15:00soon as this live ends I'm going to make
2:15:02it public and there is a hell of a lot
2:15:06in there you know about what happened
2:15:08during the trial evidence and things
2:15:10like that and it's very interesting very
2:15:14very interesting I got I actually got a
2:15:17lot of my information from the closing
2:15:19arguments
2:15:21that's true it did help with a lot of
2:15:24stuff and Mac J thank you so much for
2:15:28sending this to us we truly appreciate
2:15:30it we love that you guys help us and
2:15:34support us and this new route that we're
2:15:37taking and we truly thank you from the
2:15:39bottom of our heart absolutely and Matt
2:15:42Jay's also over like she's like the head
2:15:44mod over our skanker's file chat
2:15:46from our unjustified
2:15:49um
2:15:49Facebook group so if y'all like
2:15:52skanker's ball and you want to be a part
2:15:53of that chat
2:15:55uh skankerball fans are up in there
2:15:58so and I'm working on trying to get us a
2:16:01skanker balls you paid
2:16:04YouTube page up and going I just haven't
2:16:07had the time to finish everything and
2:16:10send it to Kim for approval but yeah I
2:16:13am working on that so that way we'll
2:16:15have yeah the skankers ball so it
2:16:17doesn't get confused with everything
2:16:19else you know right right that's a great
2:16:22idea and Mac Jay says that the letter
2:16:25actually came from Aunt Diane and she
2:16:27just passed it on so thank you very much
2:16:29Aunt Diane much appreciated I'm hoping
2:16:32I'm going to be able to read this y'all
2:16:33with my birds if not
2:16:36I'll do my best I hope my birds act too
2:16:39annoying no they're fun they're just
2:16:42background noise they're they're all
2:16:44right they got lots to say they only got
2:16:46a couple hours of daylight they did uh
2:16:52I wasn't saying anything okay I thought
2:16:55you were gonna say something sorry Echo
2:16:58okay all right let me pull this letter
2:17:00up so we can see it
2:17:03and again thanks to Mac J and Aunt Diane
2:17:06for this
2:17:08thank you guys
2:17:12okay so it looks like this is going to
2:17:14be dated November the 1st 2008. Susan
2:17:17Smith's letter to Tom Finlay dear Tom
2:17:21just a note to say thank you for
2:17:23everything I could never impress oh no I
2:17:26could never express in words how much
2:17:29you mean to me I will always treasure
2:17:31our friendship and
2:17:34all of the many wonderful memories that
2:17:36we have made now remember this is
2:17:38November the 1st on this one okay the
2:17:42boys were murdered October the 25th
2:17:46okay and then I think it was um
2:17:50November the 3rd that she finally
2:17:54confessed that she's the one that did it
2:17:56so this is the first and this is what
2:17:58she's thinking about
2:18:00she goes on to say I want you to know
2:18:02that I have never felt with anyone the
2:18:05way I feel when I'm with you I have
2:18:08never felt so needed you are so very
2:18:11special you are such a very special
2:18:13person and that is part of why making
2:18:16love to you is so wonderful
2:18:19I know how you feel about our
2:18:21relationship and I respect that I'm
2:18:24appreciative of your honesty with me I
2:18:27do want us to be friends forever and I
2:18:29will never let anything happen that
2:18:31would change that I do hope that we will
2:18:33be able to date some and be together
2:18:36again someday but if we never made love
2:18:39again my feelings for you would not
2:18:41change because you have because having
2:18:44you as my friend is worth more than sex
2:18:48could ever be worth once again I'm sorry
2:18:51for Saturday night and I would take it
2:18:54back in a heart-shaped design a
2:18:57heartbeat if I could
2:19:00I really wanted to be with you and hated
2:19:02that I wasn't
2:19:05thank you for being there for me through
2:19:07all the rough times you are a true
2:19:10friend and I want you to know that I
2:19:12will always love and care for you for
2:19:13the rest of my life
2:19:15you
2:19:16are the best friend anyone could ever
2:19:19have
2:19:20well I hope I said everything right the
2:19:23bottom line is I'm glad we are friends
2:19:25and if that is all we can be then we
2:19:29will just have to do a hell of a job at
2:19:31being that
2:19:33who knows what the future holds for our
2:19:36relationship I'm just going to live one
2:19:38day at a time one more thing before I go
2:19:41please don't ever hesitate to call me if
2:19:45you ever need anything I will always be
2:19:47here for you friends forever with a
2:19:50heart Susan
2:19:52now think about that and the timing of
2:19:54that
2:19:56I mean seriously that was up November
2:19:59the first what just
2:20:02yeah not even a week after she murdered
2:20:05her kids that's sick there's not even
2:20:08any mention of her kids in this
2:20:12because she didn't care that's why she
2:20:14got rid of them
2:20:17they did not disgusting
2:20:25Tom's letter and that letter right there
2:20:29proves that this isn't because of her
2:20:32damn mental illness [ __ ]
2:20:36right I think so is too I think so as
2:20:39well so she can turn her mental illness
2:20:42off and on when it suits her
2:20:45come on yeah I mean the only thing she's
2:20:47worried about right there is him and
2:20:50being with him I I think that says a lot
2:20:55what do you think Dave yeah what do you
2:20:58think about her writing him this a week
2:21:01after while they're still looking for
2:21:03her kids even though she knows exactly
2:21:04where they're at this is two days before
2:21:07she confessed that goes back to her
2:21:10she's got to have somebody
2:21:12and for her it seems like it's just all
2:21:14about sex and nothing else
2:21:16and that's how it seems like with David
2:21:18too because
2:21:20well he's like a dog you know so yeah
2:21:23like he there both of them are going
2:21:25from person to person to personally
2:21:27coming home and saying what's for supper
2:21:30and then once they get their supper
2:21:31they're back out looking again so what
2:21:34do you do with stuff like that or people
2:21:35like that
2:21:36they both have problems and nobody did
2:21:39anything about it again so exactly you
2:21:42really can do do you think of Tom's
2:21:45response here would have been something
2:21:47different that she would have ever
2:21:48confessed well a lot different
2:21:50a lot different you know so I think if
2:21:54he would have led her to believe that
2:21:56they were going to actually be together
2:21:57she would have never confessed and it's
2:21:59a possibility that those babies would
2:22:02still maybe be missing today yeah I
2:22:05don't think they would ever found them
2:22:08yeah I don't think they would have
2:22:09either
2:22:11so I think his response is possibly why
2:22:15she went ahead and confessed because she
2:22:16was like screw it it's you know you know
2:22:20because it was two days later
2:22:23unless they would have found them when
2:22:25those seven people were killed late you
2:22:28know later on there wouldn't have been
2:22:30founded for them being there though
2:22:34yeah that's true they wouldn't have been
2:22:36through Memorial true I didn't think
2:22:38about that true well let's let's see
2:22:40what Tom's response to that was
2:22:44uh their season I hope you don't mind
2:22:47but I think clearer when I'm typing so
2:22:49this letter is being written on my
2:22:51computer it is very this is a very
2:22:53difficult letter for me to write
2:22:55because I know how much you think of me
2:22:57like I don't know that just just that
2:23:01first sentence is like uh how much you
2:23:04think of me I don't know I don't know
2:23:07and I want you to know that I am
2:23:09flattered that you have such a high
2:23:11opinion of me
2:23:14Susan our value our friendship very much
2:23:16you are one of the few people on this
2:23:19Earth that I feel I can tell anything
2:23:21your intelligent beautiful sensitive
2:23:23understanding and possess many other
2:23:26wonderful qualities that I and many
2:23:29other men appreciate you will without a
2:23:32doubt make some lucky man a great wife
2:23:34but unfortunately it won't be me
2:23:39but unfortunately it won't be me
2:23:42even though you think we have much in
2:23:45common we are vastly different
2:23:48we have been raised in two totally
2:23:51different environments and therefore
2:23:52think totally different that's not to
2:23:55say that I was raised better than you or
2:23:58vice versa
2:23:59it just means that we can come from two
2:24:03different backgrounds when I started
2:24:05dating Laura our new our backgrounds
2:24:07were going to be a problem right before
2:24:09I graduated from Auburn University well
2:24:13why did he have to put that there why
2:24:14didn't you just say before I graduated
2:24:16college but no
2:24:18now he's going to show that he's more
2:24:20Superior he does he makes me sick to be
2:24:23quite honest and and I love Auburn but
2:24:25ugh
2:24:27in 1990
2:24:29I broke up with a girl Allison that I
2:24:32had been dating for over two years I
2:24:34loved Allison very much and we were very
2:24:36compatible unfortunately we wanted
2:24:39different things out of life she wanted
2:24:41to get married and have children before
2:24:43the age of 28 and I did not so say he oh
2:24:46he pisses me off the conflicts burned
2:24:49our breakup
2:24:51but we have remained friends through the
2:24:53years after Allison I was very hurt I
2:24:55decided not to fall for anyone again
2:24:58until I was ready to make a loan
2:25:00commitment
2:25:02for my first two years in Union I dated
2:25:05very little in fact I can count the
2:25:07number of dates I had on one hand but
2:25:10then Laura came along we met at Kanto
2:25:12and I fell for her like a ton of bricks
2:25:15things were great at first and remained
2:25:17good for a long time but I knew deep in
2:25:20my heart that she was not the one for me
2:25:23so he was just playing her right yeah
2:25:26people tell me that when you fund a
2:25:29person that you will want to spend the
2:25:31rest of your life with you will know it
2:25:33well even though I fell in love with
2:25:36Laura I have my doubts about a Long and
2:25:39Lasting commitment but I never said
2:25:41anything and I eventually hurt her very
2:25:44very deeply and I won't do that again
2:25:46Susan I could really fall for you you
2:25:49have so many endearing qualities about
2:25:51you and I think that you are a terrific
2:25:53person but like I have told you before
2:25:55there are some things about you that
2:25:58aren't suited for me and yes I am
2:26:01speaking about your children
2:26:04I'm sure that your kids are good kids
2:26:06but it really wouldn't matter how good
2:26:09they may be the fact is I just don't
2:26:12want children these feelings may change
2:26:14one day but I doubt it
2:26:16with all of the crazy mixed up things
2:26:19that take place in this world today I
2:26:21just don't
2:26:22have the desire to bring another life
2:26:24into it and I don't want to be
2:26:27responsible for anyone else's children
2:26:29either
2:26:30but I'm very thankful that there are
2:26:33people like you who are not so selfish
2:26:35as I am
2:26:37and don't mind bearing the
2:26:38responsibility of children he is such an
2:26:41ass
2:26:42yep like I can't stand him like I I
2:26:46don't know
2:26:47if anyone thought the way that I do our
2:26:51species would eventually become extinct
2:26:54well maybe you shouldn't procreate you
2:26:57shouldn't create that's it
2:27:00but our differences go far beyond the
2:27:03child issue okay then this is going to
2:27:05be the letter y'all that he wrote her
2:27:07and this is the letter supposedly of why
2:27:09she did these murders so these are vice
2:27:11versa I'm seeing this right now this is
2:27:14the original letter he wrote her that
2:27:16must have been her reply we read above
2:27:18on November the 1st so obviously he did
2:27:21not uh reply back to her again and since
2:27:24he didn't I believe that's why she
2:27:27confessed so yeah this this is the
2:27:30original their Jane letter
2:27:33um and it's it's awful
2:27:36um it just is
2:27:39okay where was we at but our differences
2:27:41go far beyond the children issue we are
2:27:45just two totally different people and
2:27:47eventually those differences would cause
2:27:49us to break up because I know myself so
2:27:52well I'm sure of this don't be
2:27:55discouraged there is someone out there
2:27:57for you in fact it's probably someone
2:28:00that you may not know at this time or
2:28:03that you may know but would never expect
2:28:06either way before you settle down with
2:28:08anyone again there is something that you
2:28:10need to know Susan because you got
2:28:13pregnant and married at such an early
2:28:15age you missed out on much of your youth
2:28:18I mean one minute you were a kid and the
2:28:22next minute you were having kids
2:28:24because I come from a place where
2:28:26everyone had the desire and the money to
2:28:29go to college God I can't stand him
2:28:31y'all
2:28:33I just cannot stand him no you don't
2:28:36brag about it Mount Brook Alabama Bud on
2:28:40that 20 minutes from me so let me tell
2:28:43you this where you come from ain't what
2:28:45you putting it out to be
2:28:48ah
2:28:50and now everyone didn't have the money
2:28:52to go to Auburn University you freak
2:28:55having the responsibility of children at
2:28:58such a young age is beyond my
2:29:00comprehension at such a young age what
2:29:02was she like 20 22
2:29:05um
2:29:05that's
2:29:07that's not such a young age I mean you
2:29:10know
2:29:11to have children
2:29:13or maybe some people think it is I I
2:29:15don't
2:29:17um
2:29:18anyhow my advice to you is to wait and
2:29:21be very choosy about your next
2:29:22relationship I can see this may be a bit
2:29:25difficult for you because you are a bit
2:29:28boy crazy but as the proverb States good
2:29:32things come to those who wait
2:29:35I'm not saying you shouldn't go out and
2:29:37have a good time in fact I think you
2:29:39should do just that have a good time and
2:29:42capture some of that youth that you
2:29:43missed out on it's like he is
2:29:45continuously
2:29:47reminding her what a nuisance her kids
2:29:51are are y'all picking that up here yes
2:29:53oh yeah I mean it's like that's
2:29:56basically all he's talking about your
2:29:58kids are a nuisance
2:30:00like they're just in the way that's
2:30:03that's what I'm aware they took away
2:30:05your childhood
2:30:07oh my God what are you saying
2:30:11but just don't get seriously involved
2:30:14with anyone until you have done the
2:30:16things in life that you want to do first
2:30:19then the rest will fall into place okay
2:30:21you idiot telling her she needs to go
2:30:23out and have fun and catch that youth
2:30:25dude she's got kids she's got
2:30:27responsibility now too late for that
2:30:29[ __ ]
2:30:30sorry
2:30:34yep
2:30:36Susan I'm not mad at you about what
2:30:38happened this weekend actually I'm very
2:30:41thankful as I told you I was starting to
2:30:43let my heart warm up to the idea of us
2:30:46going out as more than just friends but
2:30:48seeing you kiss another guy put things
2:30:51back into perspective okay he was making
2:30:53out with a married woman in the hot tub
2:30:55that's why she did that which that's
2:30:57true that was kind of ridiculous for her
2:30:59to just do a little Revenge how do you
2:31:01like this let me see if you're jealous
2:31:03but I mean come on dude you was doing
2:31:05the same thing
2:31:06um
2:31:10a permanent relationship with her while
2:31:12he's making out with the married woman
2:31:14exactly and he had been dating
2:31:17um Susan for a damn year when this hot
2:31:21tub party happened
2:31:23oh he's so full of crap he's like a
2:31:27player that's all he is and and look at
2:31:30him he better be glad he's got some
2:31:32money because honey if he didn't have no
2:31:33money yeah that's the only damn reason
2:31:35anybody ever looked at him my opinion
2:31:37sorry
2:31:39um
2:31:41and he's probably living back up here in
2:31:43Mountain Brook I might just I just love
2:31:44to run run into him up there at the
2:31:46Galleria Mall
2:31:49um anyway I remember how I hurt Laura
2:31:53and I won't let that happen again and
2:31:55therefore I can't let myself get close
2:31:58to you we will always be friends but our
2:32:00relationship will never go beyond that
2:32:02of a friendship
2:32:04and as for your relationship with B
2:32:07Brown
2:32:09of course you have to make your own
2:32:11decisions in life but remember you have
2:32:14to live what the consequences also
2:32:16everyone is held accountable for their
2:32:18actions and I would hate for people to
2:32:20perceive you as an unreputable person
2:32:24if you watch
2:32:26if you want to catch a nice guy like me
2:32:29someday then you have to act like a nice
2:32:32girl dude you're not a nice guy
2:32:34not by any means I wish she had to never
2:32:38met you
2:32:41he gets what he wants from the woman and
2:32:44he takes off maybe we need to Deep dive
2:32:48this freak
2:32:49anyway pretty sure he's got you know
2:32:53yeah stuff that yeah maybe we need to do
2:32:57to have his ass
2:32:59no woman
2:33:00yeah what's he did in the last 30 years
2:33:03I know they sold out that business so
2:33:05they're probably back up here in
2:33:06Birmingham
2:33:07anyway
2:33:09as you know nice girls don't sleep with
2:33:12married men
2:33:14well
2:33:15vice versa the nice men don't sleep with
2:33:18married women so I appreciate
2:33:22besides I want you to feel good about
2:33:24yourself
2:33:25and I'm afraid that if you sleep with
2:33:28Bay brown or any other married man for
2:33:30that matter you will lose your
2:33:32self-respect
2:33:33how in the hell she got any self-respect
2:33:35after reading what he just wrote her
2:33:38oh man
2:33:40I know I did well we were messing around
2:33:42earlier this year
2:33:45and and remember this is October so
2:33:47they've been dating each other all year
2:33:48for him to be such an ass here at the
2:33:50end
2:33:52so please think about your actions
2:33:54before you do anything you will regret I
2:33:56care about you but also care for Susan
2:33:59Brown and I would hate to see anyone get
2:34:02hurt
2:34:03Susan may say
2:34:06that she wouldn't care
2:34:09if her husband had an affair but you but
2:34:12you and I know that is not true
2:34:15anyhow as I've already told you you are
2:34:18a very special person and don't let
2:34:20anyone tell you or make you feel any
2:34:22different I see so much potential in you
2:34:25but only you can make it happen don't
2:34:28settle for mediocre in life go for it
2:34:31all and only settle for the best I do
2:34:34I haven't told you this but I'm
2:34:37extremely proud of you for going to
2:34:39school
2:34:40I am a firm believer in higher education
2:34:43and once you obtain a degree from
2:34:45college there is no stopping you
2:34:48and don't let these idiot boys from
2:34:51Union make you feel like you are not
2:34:53capable or slow you down after you
2:34:57graduate you will be able to go anywhere
2:34:58you want in this world and if you ever
2:35:01wanted to get a good job in Charlotte my
2:35:04father is the right person to know
2:35:06imagine that
2:35:09Hayden County know everyone who is
2:35:12anyone in the business world of
2:35:14Charlotte
2:35:14and if I can ever help you with anything
2:35:16don't hesitate to ask
2:35:19well this letter must come to an end
2:35:21it's 11 50 p.m and I'm getting very
2:35:24sleepy
2:35:25but I wanted to write you this letter
2:35:27because you are the one who is always
2:35:29making the effort for me oh my God y'all
2:35:32he just makes me sick
2:35:34and I wanted to return the friendship
2:35:39I've appreciated it when you have
2:35:41dropped me nice little notes or cards or
2:35:44the present at Christmas
2:35:46and it is about time that I start
2:35:49putting a little effort into our
2:35:50friendship
2:35:52which reminds me I thought long and hard
2:35:54about getting you something for your
2:35:56birthday really
2:35:58but I decided not to because I wasn't
2:36:01sure what you might think
2:36:03now I am sorry I didn't get you anything
2:36:05so you can expect something from me at
2:36:08Christmas but do not buy me anything for
2:36:10Christmas all I want from you is a nice
2:36:13sweet card and I'll cherish that more
2:36:15than any store
2:36:17present again you will always have my
2:36:20friendship and your friendship is one
2:36:22that I will always look upon with
2:36:25sincere affection Tom P.S it's like so
2:36:29please don't count off for spelling or
2:36:31grammar oh my God y'all I don't even
2:36:33know uh Mac thank you so much for
2:36:36sending this to me but oh my God
2:36:40like this is the first time I've ever
2:36:43let read this and it's whole and it
2:36:45literally makes me nauseous
2:36:50like I don't know and I don't think I'm
2:36:53reading too deep into that either and
2:36:55Aunt Diane thank you very much for
2:36:57sharing this I really appreciate I'd
2:36:59never read this before I wondered
2:37:01because there is some of it mentioned
2:37:03here and there but I had no clue it was
2:37:06that deep and I wish that I had could go
2:37:10back in time and Susan show me this
2:37:13letter and uh you know and maybe me and
2:37:17her could have been friends at that time
2:37:19I'm just saying uh this is before she
2:37:21done anything to the boys and if she had
2:37:23shown me that letter honey I'm just the
2:37:26friend that would have stomped right in
2:37:27that damn office and said who in the
2:37:29hell do you think you are
2:37:31no kidding oh oh this guy man
2:37:37oh my God
2:37:39he makes me sick
2:37:42it's a disgusting Pig
2:37:45oh my goodness like I had no clue that
2:37:48letter was
2:37:50all he did y'all was continue to
2:37:54download her children and her
2:37:57and her yes like you're trash you're
2:38:00lucky I've ever even spoke to you like I
2:38:04see that you've been trying like hell to
2:38:05get me uh you know thank you for letting
2:38:07me sleep with you for a year whatever
2:38:09but it meant not [ __ ]
2:38:12that's what I said he's too high and
2:38:14mighty for and looked down at her so he
2:38:16just wanted her for sex and that was it
2:38:18so literally and it but he had been
2:38:21leading her own like crazy and then he
2:38:25he started to incinerate her kids are in
2:38:28the way that her kids are the problem
2:38:31continuously like that's like he just
2:38:33continues
2:38:35even using this little story about this
2:38:38ex-girlfriend that he probably didn't
2:38:39even have
2:38:41um she wanted kids he didn't blah blah
2:38:43uh if it was up to me then no but you
2:38:46know the world would come extinct well
2:38:48you know if it was up to you left to
2:38:50procreate dude the world needs to come
2:38:52extinct because we don't really need no
2:38:54more you and your dad's I'm just saying
2:38:57did you did you even catch that my dad
2:39:00is the one to know yeah
2:39:03understood
2:39:06and I know David Nelly y'all probably
2:39:09have probably never saw that letter in
2:39:11its entirety either is it not disgusting
2:39:13it is repulsive
2:39:17um literally was getting sick to my
2:39:19stomach over here I was getting mad
2:39:22balling my fist my son's like are you
2:39:24okay I was like nope oh that's terrible
2:39:28um I will link it in the description box
2:39:30below uh this letter Again full credit
2:39:35to Aunt Diane
2:39:37and aunt diana157 and of course Mac J
2:39:41for passing it on to us
2:39:44um we really appreciate y'all that
2:39:45letter just really pissed me off even
2:39:47more that's a great way to end this love
2:39:49isn't it
2:39:52I can't stand him
2:39:54um I wish that well you know what y'all
2:39:56David did David did kick his ass y'all
2:39:59know that right no he did David kicked
2:40:03his ass
2:40:04um they were uh her and David of course
2:40:07were separated not living together or
2:40:09nothing else but David
2:40:11I don't know and jealous I guess I don't
2:40:14know uh he had went in somewhere or went
2:40:16to a restaurant or whatever and saw them
2:40:20two there and yeah uh cornered them
2:40:23outside and kicked his ass yeah I
2:40:24remember that now it's in
2:40:26um that book
2:40:28um yes yes
2:40:30sorry Fred's so many I get confused yeah
2:40:34it's also in the closing arguments
2:40:36yeah so it's uh yeah David kick his ass
2:40:39go David you know oh [ __ ] I needed that
2:40:44ass kid kicked several times he asked me
2:40:47what a Mr tough guy run to his daddy for
2:40:51help no kidding no you know what he did
2:40:54he's like oh well you know uh that kind
2:40:57of spooked me up a little bit Susan I
2:40:58can't be sleeping with you no more
2:41:00because you know I don't like getting my
2:41:01ass kicked because you know I got no
2:41:03hair
2:41:04bruises show oh man don't even get me
2:41:07star I can't stand that dude
2:41:10seeing him I don't I don't know David
2:41:14looked a hell of a lot better I mean if
2:41:17you want to go for that but think about
2:41:18the people she is attracted to look at
2:41:21the prison guard not being ugly but come
2:41:23on
2:41:34it really did I mean even though this
2:41:36dude was only 27 Mr Tom fanlay
2:41:39um even though he was 27 he looked 57.
2:41:42mm-hmm
2:41:44you know which is a very cool receding
2:41:46hairline what did he do like the
2:41:48Menendez and go get him a fake hair
2:41:49thing made
2:41:52guys I'm not a vain person and I don't
2:41:56look at somebody and be like oh that's I
2:41:59wouldn't talk to him or date him but
2:42:03the first time she spoke to him he had
2:42:06that arrogant attitude he did not hide
2:42:10it so what the hell is not that not a
2:42:12turn off immediately exactly that makes
2:42:15wow I'm super ugly to me
2:42:18no kidding yes somebody in my everyday
2:42:22life that unfortunately I am stuck with
2:42:26them in my life I'm not gonna say who in
2:42:28case they
2:42:29are out here listening but you know who
2:42:31you are
2:42:33um I'm stuck with having them in my life
2:42:35I have to but they're they're beautiful
2:42:40on the outside so beautiful
2:42:43but on the inside
2:42:45terrible person terrible mean
2:42:50a drunk and doesn't care about anybody
2:42:54else but what they want treats their
2:42:57children like [ __ ] treats family like
2:43:00[ __ ]
2:43:01and it just makes that beauty she has on
2:43:04the outside
2:43:06it just makes it all go away for me once
2:43:11you show your tree side yeah you're your
2:43:15your ugliness is shown there can be
2:43:18people that you don't find attractive on
2:43:21the outside but can fall in love with
2:43:24who they are on the inside and it
2:43:26changes what you see on the outside you
2:43:29know exactly so never ever judge a book
2:43:33by its cover just because they don't
2:43:36look up to part of what your friends are
2:43:39what your family think you should do
2:43:42it's what's on the inside that matters
2:43:45absolutely you know my husband yes I do
2:43:48think he said a handsome man
2:43:51but that's not what made me fall in love
2:43:54with them I fell in love with what he
2:43:57has on the inside he's a wonderful man
2:44:00bend over backwards for me he's been
2:44:03here for me through thickness and thin
2:44:06and helped me through Health scares then
2:44:11I mean don't get me wrong he got scared
2:44:13himself at one point and kind of acted
2:44:15stupid but he fixed it but he was scared
2:44:20you know he didn't know what to do with
2:44:22the breast cancer thing because we just
2:44:25went through it with my mom we just got
2:44:27the diagnosed gnosis that my sister was
2:44:30given five years so he panicked you know
2:44:34he didn't know what to do so he started
2:44:36acting stupid
2:44:38right
2:44:40um
2:44:42yeah he's got what
2:44:46he has a shiny belly
2:44:49a shiny belly
2:44:52says it says I'm being a person with
2:44:54mental illness it wouldn't have took
2:44:56much to send her off the deep end it's
2:44:59like they blow things out of proportion
2:45:00100 fold I agree
2:45:02I agree uh yeah that that letter
2:45:05definitely really set her there
2:45:07um can we keep it personality absolutely
2:45:09we usually do
2:45:11um the reason that I had to Just Bounce
2:45:13this guy I can't help it he was just
2:45:16acting like he was so much better than
2:45:19better than I'm just so much better than
2:45:21you and your kids are just a nuisance
2:45:23and if you read between the lines of his
2:45:25letter literally the only thing he can
2:45:28do is sit here and degrade every other
2:45:31female he's ever been with so sometimes
2:45:34you know if People's gonna kick those
2:45:37shots out there they need to get them
2:45:39back
2:45:44yeah I mean this dude just done nothing
2:45:48but degrade everyone except him and his
2:45:50dad every female everyone dude in my
2:45:54opinion deserves whatever the hell's
2:45:55threw at him
2:45:57he thinks females are just there for one
2:46:00thing and one thing only
2:46:04um yeah
2:46:07yeah right for whatever reason she seems
2:46:09to have developed her sense of self-work
2:46:11yeah obviously she had some serious
2:46:15um self-esteem problems that's pretty
2:46:17obvious and thinking that sex was the
2:46:20way she could literally
2:46:23um
2:46:23get anyone's attention someone asked
2:46:26earlier what did her stepdad look like
2:46:28there is a photo of him in the premiere
2:46:30we just did he's to me just looks like
2:46:34an old man I mean I don't know how else
2:46:35to put it uh just
2:46:39I don't know just
2:46:41but there is a good groomer
2:46:43absolutely without a doubt without a
2:46:47doubt and if that's the way she was
2:46:49brought up that's
2:46:50probably the reason why she went from go
2:46:52to go to go because that's all too new
2:46:56yeah Wednesday uh go back honey and
2:46:58listen to that later or I will link it
2:47:00below if you'd rather read it yourself
2:47:01and not my crazy reading uh you'll see
2:47:04what I mean I guarantee you by the time
2:47:06you get finished reading his letter to
2:47:08her
2:47:09um you're gonna be just as
2:47:11just you you're going to want to go slap
2:47:14him
2:47:15I guarantee yeah
2:47:19yeah it's definitely not something we do
2:47:21here but my Jesus this man done nothing
2:47:24but degrade every female and everybody
2:47:27in his life and he continued to just
2:47:29continuously throw down on the kids in
2:47:33his own way it he made me sick
2:47:37um okay y'all well we're gonna call it a
2:47:39night we've been here damn near three
2:47:41hours three hours yeah we're gonna we're
2:47:44gonna call it a night here and uh Dave's
2:47:48got some good stuff planned for what's
2:47:50Wednesday hell of a show on that
2:47:53um it's not gonna be a popular one but
2:47:55you know that's what we do
2:47:57uh aren't they yeah they're popular I
2:48:00think they have a lot of haters but
2:48:03they're popular with the minions that
2:48:05like to strike us
2:48:08they're not going to be popular but you
2:48:10know hey I mean it's all facts it is
2:48:12what it is you know
2:48:15um anyway we should come up with a new
2:48:17name for their last name so that way it
2:48:19doesn't like them
2:48:21oh no they'll be here anyways just oh
2:48:23yeah it's it does yeah actually when
2:48:27YouTube comes back and looks at it they
2:48:29okay it so yeah there's no nudity going
2:48:32on here right they should be actually
2:48:35going after the people that's reporting
2:48:37it and they can tell they know exactly
2:48:40who reports they can follow the IP
2:48:42addresses they have that capability and
2:48:46why they don't do something to the ones
2:48:48that give false strikes is beyond me
2:48:52yeah I don't get it I don't get it
2:48:55either
2:48:57I mean there's channels I don't like and
2:49:00there's one
2:49:01that I'm not gonna say that it has been
2:49:04taken down and keeps coming back and for
2:49:07the love of God I don't know how
2:49:09but I would never go on there and put a
2:49:13false strike
2:49:15you know yeah I've never I've never even
2:49:18reported except one time and that's been
2:49:22oh hell I don't know three four years
2:49:25ago maybe when I was being docks to hell
2:49:28and back you know
2:49:30bad and that's the only thing I reported
2:49:33on is like hey you know tell them
2:49:36because not to be mentioned in
2:49:38everything about
2:49:39who I am where I live all this that's
2:49:41not cool you know so I don't know one
2:49:45channel nothing like that but come on
2:49:48and that was whenever I was friends with
2:49:51another YouTuber and
2:49:55was doing what I thought like I was
2:49:57doing here but turned out to be
2:49:59something else then they started
2:50:02this other YouTuber started saying
2:50:05derogatory comments about me so of
2:50:07course I reported it oh yeah because it
2:50:12wasn't true and that YouTuber later
2:50:16emailed me and apologized but well
2:50:20that's good
2:50:22I didn't get that
2:50:24I didn't get that but
2:50:26it's okay well he had an email so I
2:50:29emailed him I was like you had no right
2:50:31to say that you don't even know me
2:50:33you know I am not a shared sister wife
2:50:37[ __ ] that's not my cup of tea weirdo
2:50:41I don't even live in the same place
2:50:44these people do
2:50:46I remember that oh my goodness yeah
2:50:49that's that was during a bad time oh
2:50:52yeah
2:50:53that was when I first found out that I
2:50:56had breast cancer so I was pets you know
2:50:59wasn't a lot going on it was a lot going
2:51:02on
2:51:03so but you know well that's neither here
2:51:05nor there but thanks everybody for
2:51:08spending your evening or your day or
2:51:10your
2:51:14we do and
2:51:18um the moderators of everyone that sit
2:51:20here with us we do appreciate you very
2:51:22much thank you so much for watching the
2:51:25chat and guys thank you for being here
2:51:28with us we wouldn't be who we are
2:51:30without you guys like I said before we
2:51:34love you guys very much
2:51:36that's right team unjustified
2:51:39and the next skinkers ball like Dave
2:51:44hinted it will be a surprise we're going
2:51:48to start
2:51:50you know we'll
2:51:51do our little Premiere right before we
2:51:54start so that way you'll know who we're
2:51:56talking about but for now we're just
2:51:59gonna keep it keep you guys guessing
2:52:03but please for real send me suggestions
2:52:06because I will add them to the list and
2:52:10research them but
2:52:13um can you pop my email up there real
2:52:15quick yeah there you go
2:52:18send it to me there and I will add it to
2:52:22the list and gladly
2:52:24cover what you want to know and if you
2:52:26know something like was it Mac J that
2:52:29said she knew someone
2:52:32or that they knew someone uh yeah yeah I
2:52:35got it wrote down yeah Mac Jason is a
2:52:37pretty good list
2:52:39um yeah she had collected some people in
2:52:41the skykers fall chat so I I mean if
2:52:45there's somebody that you know
2:52:48personally in the case and stuff and
2:52:50wouldn't mind me interviewing and Kim
2:52:53interviewing you
2:52:55um we covered that those kind of cases
2:52:57as well we want to get these cases out
2:53:00there just so people know what's going
2:53:03on and so these victims aren't forgotten
2:53:06that's right that's right it's for them
2:53:09you know it's for them
2:53:11they're uh perpetrators uh they need to
2:53:15be known for what they did and the
2:53:17victim stories needs to be heard even
2:53:19though they don't have a voice we can be
2:53:20their voice exactly like Dave said we
2:53:23don't want you guys to forget these
2:53:25children and the other victims that are
2:53:29out there I mean
2:53:31like Kim said they don't have a voice
2:53:33anymore and we can be that be that voice
2:53:37that's right
2:53:39and the next one might be skanker of the
2:53:41year
2:53:42yeah we're getting close to this anchor
2:53:45it's going to be hard as hell to beat
2:53:46Carla but you never know right yeah it
2:53:50can happen it could happen I don't know
2:53:53I don't know I don't think Susan beats
2:53:57Carla no no uh
2:54:00says it's bad Susan is bad and we're not
2:54:04talking about y'all the crime itself all
2:54:07crimes are horrific I don't they're all
2:54:10terrible
2:54:11um we're just talking about the person
2:54:12in general the skanker in general
2:54:16their personality and what they are what
2:54:19they did and do exactly
2:54:25okay well everyone I hope you all have a
2:54:28great rest of your night or morning
2:54:30wherever you may be
2:54:33thank you for being here and
2:54:37we love you guys and can't wait to see
2:54:40you again soon
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