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  1. 0:01welcome back to
  2. 0:02[Music]
  3. 0:04steggs virtual course on key concepts in
  4. 0:06macro development
  5. 0:08stegg is a cepr led research program
  6. 0:12structural transformation
  7. 0:14and economic growth uh
  8. 0:18with a focus on the macro development of
  9. 0:20low-income countries
  10. 0:23um it the c the
  11. 0:26steg program as well as this course are
  12. 0:29funded
  13. 0:31by the uk's development
  14. 0:34uh uk's aid effort i should say
  15. 0:38by the foreign commonwealth and
  16. 0:39development office so we're very
  17. 0:41thankful for them um
  18. 0:44today we have leonard wanchakun who will
  19. 0:47be
  20. 0:47talking about political
  21. 0:50economy political distortions and
  22. 0:53their relationship to structural uh
  23. 0:56their relation to economic development
  24. 0:59um we're thankful for leonard uh
  25. 1:02as i've mentioned many times these
  26. 1:04lecturers are doing this all out of the
  27. 1:06goodness of their heart
  28. 1:08let me tell you a little bit about the
  29. 1:09ground rules remind you the ground rules
  30. 1:11again
  31. 1:12while people are flooding in um
  32. 1:16the front row you can
  33. 1:19unmute if you have a clarifying question
  34. 1:21during the talk
  35. 1:23uh leonard will give some time at the
  36. 1:24end for you know broader questions
  37. 1:27but if there's some clarifying question
  38. 1:28please unmute uh otherwise leave your
  39. 1:31microphones muted
  40. 1:33those who are not panelists who are just
  41. 1:36participants in the webinar
  42. 1:38can ask questions in the q a i will do
  43. 1:41my best to try to answer what i can
  44. 1:43although this is not my area of
  45. 1:45expertise so i'm a little bit less
  46. 1:46confident than i've been in previous
  47. 1:48lectures
  48. 1:49and doug is not here to help me if we
  49. 1:51can't get
  50. 1:52questions answered we may try to leave
  51. 1:54those for leonard
  52. 1:55uh during the q a time
  53. 1:58[Music]
  54. 2:00and the lectures the slides themselves
  55. 2:04are available at the course website
  56. 2:07and with that um let me uh
  57. 2:10hand things over to leonard yeah thanks
  58. 2:14joe
  59. 2:14thanks uh cpr for for the opportunity
  60. 2:19um you know i'm extremely um
  61. 2:22actually very grateful that i'm i'm
  62. 2:24given the platform
  63. 2:27to talk about this topic um
  64. 2:31so before before i start
  65. 2:34let me just tell you that studying
  66. 2:37political mechanism
  67. 2:39in economic development was my original
  68. 2:40interest so
  69. 2:42um so very very glad to have to come
  70. 2:45back to
  71. 2:47what i have always been interested in
  72. 2:49doing so
  73. 2:50um i'm going to start
  74. 2:54sharing my screen um
  75. 2:57immediately so the talk uh will be
  76. 3:00structured this way first of all i'm
  77. 3:03going to
  78. 3:04introduce the lecture
  79. 3:07by referring mostly to past lectures and
  80. 3:11how
  81. 3:13our discussion here will
  82. 3:16link to what had been covered earlier
  83. 3:20and then i'll move to some theoretical
  84. 3:23background which is important because
  85. 3:27we need to sort of set some
  86. 3:30benchmark uh benchmark model
  87. 3:34to really understand the role of
  88. 3:37political institutions
  89. 3:39and political distortion on economic
  90. 3:41development
  91. 3:42now later on i'm going to cover
  92. 3:47like three type of follicle distortion
  93. 3:51uh departure from the
  94. 3:55benchmark model that we are going to be
  95. 3:57covering
  96. 3:59one has to do with distortion of public
  97. 4:02investment
  98. 4:04that's usually called patronage
  99. 4:08distortion of human resources
  100. 4:11in governments other type of
  101. 4:15targeted retribution which is distortion
  102. 4:18of
  103. 4:18all the type of public goods that the
  104. 4:20government might provide
  105. 4:23so and then following that we're going
  106. 4:25to talk about contract enforcement which
  107. 4:27is
  108. 4:28maybe the core components of political
  109. 4:31institutions because it has to do with
  110. 4:33property rights to have to do with law
  111. 4:34enforcement and so on
  112. 4:36um and then the third type of political
  113. 4:40distortion would be
  114. 4:41state capture you know like a
  115. 4:43relationship between firms
  116. 4:45and politicians so
  117. 4:48um to basically uh
  118. 4:52explain the mechanism through which
  119. 4:55those distortions take place especially
  120. 4:58the last one which is uh
  121. 5:00state capture uh basically
  122. 5:03we are going to have
  123. 5:06discuss we have to talk about lobbying
  124. 5:08you know for instance how
  125. 5:10lobbying by firm might lead to
  126. 5:12[Music]
  127. 5:14like create connections that might
  128. 5:20create political distortion of the third
  129. 5:21type
  130. 5:23later on i'm going to basically
  131. 5:28provide a remark on elite capture or
  132. 5:32create capitalism
  133. 5:33which is basically perceived
  134. 5:36as structural political destruction like
  135. 5:39when
  136. 5:40um political distortion is very much
  137. 5:42embedded
  138. 5:43it's very much into the structure of the
  139. 5:45way
  140. 5:46of the economy work and and uh
  141. 5:49and then talk about future directions i
  142. 5:50mean the the reason why this um
  143. 5:53i'm going in the lecture is that because
  144. 5:55there is so much left to be done
  145. 5:57you know there is a very important
  146. 6:00interesting topic but it's a bits all
  147. 6:03over the places so
  148. 6:04i think it's important that we
  149. 6:06understand
  150. 6:09how this literature can be put can be
  151. 6:12pushed forward
  152. 6:13okay so that's basically the wrong mark
  153. 6:16now as your introduction so
  154. 6:18let me remind you you know what you
  155. 6:19already know which is that um
  156. 6:22difference in living standard across
  157. 6:23countries are linked to growth
  158. 6:26driven by productivity gap and
  159. 6:29misallocation
  160. 6:31and that total factor productivity
  161. 6:35account for much of these disparities
  162. 6:38much of this gap
  163. 6:40you know i mean disparity in capital
  164. 6:41labor i come from mostly at most 50
  165. 6:44of differences in income per capita
  166. 6:47so okay so far the focus has been on
  167. 6:50market sources of differential and
  168. 6:52productivity
  169. 6:53you know like for instance mark a great
  170. 6:56lecture
  171. 6:56like two maybe a week ago or two weeks
  172. 6:59ago
  173. 7:00provide detail on labor market frictions
  174. 7:03and the effect on development
  175. 7:04he talked about frictions in
  176. 7:06agricultural market
  177. 7:08authentic firms differences in hiring
  178. 7:10costs across farm and technology
  179. 7:12adoption
  180. 7:14and but it is in this section so
  181. 7:17what we are interested in is not the
  182. 7:19market mechanism but the political
  183. 7:21mechanism
  184. 7:22for political distortions and
  185. 7:25particularly
  186. 7:26the effects on human capital formation
  187. 7:28and innovation
  188. 7:30on capital investment and on
  189. 7:34special friction for instance and
  190. 7:37misallocation
  191. 7:40and you know you know
  192. 7:43last lecture by uh roger i mean by
  193. 7:46richard i'm sorry
  194. 7:47rogerson um and actually the first
  195. 7:50lecture he
  196. 7:51uh explicitly incorporated uh um you
  197. 7:55know
  198. 7:56differences in one sector group model
  199. 8:00and a heart it
  200. 8:03is the relative position of a country in
  201. 8:06technological from the technological
  202. 8:08frontier
  203. 8:09and mentioned in passing that this
  204. 8:12can be affected by country-specific
  205. 8:15policies and institutions
  206. 8:17and you know i mean like foreign
  207. 8:19institutions might affect
  208. 8:21the level of capital through
  209. 8:25infrastructure investment um
  210. 8:28you know you might make more
  211. 8:29international investment you might may
  212. 8:31you might invest more in capital for
  213. 8:33instance
  214. 8:34if um you know you the government
  215. 8:37provided
  216. 8:38energy or provided roads you know that
  217. 8:40makes uh that improve
  218. 8:42the productivity of your capital
  219. 8:43investment and it could also be
  220. 8:46through subsidizing public education for
  221. 8:48instance you know
  222. 8:49that will affect l so one of the
  223. 8:53one of the key i mean one of the key
  224. 8:55areas that
  225. 8:56the roger in his paper with restitution
  226. 9:00rogerson and people restructure covered
  227. 9:03is uh you know how the allocation of
  228. 9:06resources across
  229. 9:07for instance iteration plans how
  230. 9:09important they are
  231. 9:10to explain cross-country differences
  232. 9:14and the fact that taxes and subsidies
  233. 9:18for instance
  234. 9:20can create uh in fact misallocation
  235. 9:26and um and now now
  236. 9:29the the the natural you know the natural
  237. 9:32question
  238. 9:33uh from that that setup
  239. 9:36would be where those where do where
  240. 9:39where does thai tau i come from so it
  241. 9:43could be correlated for instance with
  242. 9:44firms
  243. 9:45political connections you know like for
  244. 9:46instance some firms
  245. 9:48benefited benefit from higher from lower
  246. 9:51tax rate than others
  247. 9:53because they basically either pay bribe
  248. 9:55to politicians or
  249. 9:57they they make campaign contribution to
  250. 9:59the politicians so
  251. 10:01so political connection for instance as
  252. 10:03we'll see later on
  253. 10:04my my drive means allocation and and and
  254. 10:08and growth rate in a very very
  255. 10:10fundamental way
  256. 10:12okay so now since this paper i mean this
  257. 10:15lecture is about political institutions
  258. 10:17so uh what are the what happened what do
  259. 10:20you what do we mean by political
  260. 10:21institutions
  261. 10:22or institutions in general so um
  262. 10:26it's probably one of the most
  263. 10:30one of the broadest concepts in all
  264. 10:32social science
  265. 10:33uh because the terms uh
  266. 10:36institutions are basically you know
  267. 10:40all over the places you know so uh but
  268. 10:42then
  269. 10:43let's focus on four that i think i'm
  270. 10:48quite you know uh insightful
  271. 10:51so you have dognoff a definition which
  272. 10:54uh focus on you know
  273. 10:58rules of the game you know
  274. 11:01which is like constraints that shape
  275. 11:03human interactions
  276. 11:06so myosin you know jameson
  277. 11:09consider those rules more like an
  278. 11:12incentive systems
  279. 11:14that shape political decisions and
  280. 11:17decides
  281. 11:19which strategies are followed
  282. 11:22or not you know i assimilate focus on uh
  283. 11:26robinson johnson robinson focused on
  284. 11:28property rights and contract enforcement
  285. 11:30now um
  286. 11:32[Music]
  287. 11:34eczewowski you know a political
  288. 11:36economist from nyu
  289. 11:38uh focus more on
  290. 11:42what political actors
  291. 11:46or social actors are not
  292. 11:50allowed to do you know like the checking
  293. 11:52balances
  294. 11:53that prevents um
  295. 11:56you know basically uh uh key
  296. 12:00political actors to um to
  297. 12:04you know to to violent
  298. 12:07that not to violate norms of
  299. 12:11of ecosystem particularly democratic
  300. 12:13system
  301. 12:14so now for the purpose of this lecture
  302. 12:18i will just in a nutshell
  303. 12:22consider institutions at
  304. 12:25three things they are mechanism
  305. 12:29for making policy decisions basically
  306. 12:33it's a technology it's governments
  307. 12:36that make policy decisions that's that's
  308. 12:39what it is
  309. 12:41so it's an organization a government
  310. 12:43organization
  311. 12:44the second is institutions
  312. 12:47is about contract enforcement mechanism
  313. 12:50okay and the third is a mechanism for
  314. 12:53selecting
  315. 12:54public office holders so as a result
  316. 12:57institutions is institutional
  317. 13:01make rules you know decides
  318. 13:04you know public policy and false
  319. 13:08rules and uh a way to decide
  320. 13:11who make rules you know so and those are
  321. 13:15really different um uh set of
  322. 13:18um mechanism so not surprisingly
  323. 13:23the model that capture the effect of
  324. 13:25institutions on economic development
  325. 13:28will vary depending on whether
  326. 13:31you are talking about the first the
  327. 13:33second
  328. 13:34and the third mechanism you know so
  329. 13:38it's always important when you want to
  330. 13:41link
  331. 13:41up institutions to development
  332. 13:44that you refer to the make
  333. 13:48to one or the other mechanism described
  334. 13:51here
  335. 13:51okay so so that's exactly what we are
  336. 13:55going to do we are going to
  337. 13:57to to sort of uh go over
  338. 14:00some benchmark growth model that
  339. 14:03capture specific aspects of what we mean
  340. 14:06by
  341. 14:07institutions so for instance the first
  342. 14:10one
  343. 14:11government government policy
  344. 14:14public investment that affect growth
  345. 14:18so that's barrow 1990
  346. 14:21and also barrow and sari martin
  347. 14:261994 or maybe later i forgot the dates
  348. 14:30and then the second one the control
  349. 14:32enforcement we are going to cover
  350. 14:34agia and amador's paper
  351. 14:37where you know um you have weak
  352. 14:41basically enforcement of the rules
  353. 14:44and then in terms of how
  354. 14:48the the way political selection
  355. 14:52affect particularly innovation
  356. 14:57and productivity so we are going to
  357. 15:00cover the strong paterian
  358. 15:01model that aguero and al and asimo blue
  359. 15:04and now has
  360. 15:06developed in several papers so and then
  361. 15:08so this is the benchmark
  362. 15:10you know so um and the most the most
  363. 15:13crude and the most basic model of
  364. 15:16government and political institutions
  365. 15:18will be the first one you know the
  366. 15:19barrels model and then the other one
  367. 15:21will be some extensions or
  368. 15:25way to expand and to deepen
  369. 15:28uh you know barrow 1990 and 94.
  370. 15:32so and having done that then what we are
  371. 15:36going to do
  372. 15:36is to present departure from this man
  373. 15:38landmark you know
  374. 15:40any any um
  375. 15:42[Music]
  376. 15:43institutional effects or institutional
  377. 15:46features
  378. 15:47that depart from those benchmark model
  379. 15:49it's what we are going to call
  380. 15:50political political distortion so and
  381. 15:53this is really really
  382. 15:54important because you know
  383. 15:57when we want to evaluate for instance
  384. 16:00institutions
  385. 16:01it has to be in relationship
  386. 16:04with a benchmark you know we have an
  387. 16:08idea
  388. 16:09of an optimal government
  389. 16:12or optimal government allocation of
  390. 16:14actions or policies
  391. 16:17that you know either because you know
  392. 16:20the government in maximizing
  393. 16:22uh social welfare or maximizing um the
  394. 16:25utility function of representative
  395. 16:27agents that represent the interest of
  396. 16:30the country
  397. 16:32and anything that departs
  398. 16:35from the prediction of this basic model
  399. 16:39will be considered political distortion
  400. 16:41you know would be
  401. 16:42and i think it's interesting because it
  402. 16:44helped
  403. 16:46get some parallel between the way we
  404. 16:48look at institutions
  405. 16:51um you know about political institutions
  406. 16:54um between that and the way we look at
  407. 16:56economic institutions
  408. 16:58you know anyway so so i think it's
  409. 17:00that's very very important
  410. 17:01okay now and then later on we are going
  411. 17:04to document how institutions
  412. 17:07lead to um you know political distortion
  413. 17:10um you know by looking at particularly
  414. 17:13public investment and patronage
  415. 17:15and looking at political connection and
  416. 17:16state capture and
  417. 17:18lobbying and misallocation so there are
  418. 17:20a large number of papers
  419. 17:22i'm pretty sure that we don't have time
  420. 17:23to cover all of them that's why
  421. 17:25you know i i mean and purposely
  422. 17:28you know i made the the slide
  423. 17:32very very long so that you can actually
  424. 17:34look at those paper yourself
  425. 17:35or come to the office hours next week so
  426. 17:38that we can go over them with more
  427. 17:39details okay
  428. 17:41so so let me then briefly uh cover
  429. 17:45the benchmark model so basically it's a
  430. 17:47under your model that include public
  431. 17:49services
  432. 17:50you know as a productive input and
  433. 17:53that's productive input
  434. 17:55um can be a publicly provided public
  435. 17:59goods
  436. 17:59that are rival or equitable it can be
  437. 18:02also
  438. 18:03publicly provided public good which are
  439. 18:04non-rival non-excludable
  440. 18:06it could also be um publicly provided
  441. 18:09goods
  442. 18:10that are that are consent that that's
  443. 18:12subject to congestion
  444. 18:14you know um so that highway
  445. 18:17water sewage is for instance so so
  446. 18:20basically
  447. 18:21uh here the government is more like a
  448. 18:23technology
  449. 18:24it's basically like a technology and um
  450. 18:30and um and as i said earlier on
  451. 18:33you know the government's role is to to
  452. 18:35maximize the utility functionality of
  453. 18:37households and there are
  454. 18:40a number of uh producers
  455. 18:44there is you have the capital and you
  456. 18:46have government spending
  457. 18:48as key input and they aggregate to
  458. 18:51capital g
  459. 18:53and and now the key is that government
  460. 18:55finance is spending
  461. 18:56their taxes so and then they look at uh
  462. 19:00several scenarios you know one
  463. 19:04is for instance this one you know where
  464. 19:07as you see the government spending
  465. 19:09coming
  466. 19:10as a private private like maybe
  467. 19:13a private private input publicly
  468. 19:15provided private input
  469. 19:17and and then you see that uh you know
  470. 19:21financed by by
  471. 19:24by taxes and and then
  472. 19:27you know derive
  473. 19:30equilibrium and show that in in this
  474. 19:34model
  475. 19:35only unless tax is long some
  476. 19:40it's it's distortionary you know
  477. 19:43okay so the the the government's
  478. 19:47action create distortion in the economy
  479. 19:51um because unless
  480. 19:54you know unless uh the tax rate is lump
  481. 19:57sum so that's one result
  482. 19:59the second one is the publicly provided
  483. 20:01public goods
  484. 20:02it's in that case you have
  485. 20:05capital g which enter the utility
  486. 20:07function of each
  487. 20:09producer and in that case the results
  488. 20:12are i mean the result is the same as
  489. 20:14before
  490. 20:15but when you have conjecture you know
  491. 20:18when for instance
  492. 20:19why um you know
  493. 20:22government uh government expenditure
  494. 20:25enter
  495. 20:25like this the conjunction the congestion
  496. 20:29variable is measured by this then
  497. 20:32the conclusion is that uh tax
  498. 20:37are not are not necessarily this
  499. 20:40decisionary
  500. 20:41and they are desirable you know so so
  501. 20:44that's basically
  502. 20:45the the minute but what we need to
  503. 20:47really retain
  504. 20:48what we need to remember from this
  505. 20:50exercise
  506. 20:52is the role of governments which is a
  507. 20:53technology
  508. 20:55and then um the fact that um
  509. 20:59um you know the the the the
  510. 21:02the fact that tax creates a wedge
  511. 21:06and if this it's decisionary unless for
  512. 21:08instance
  513. 21:09um you know what's being provided is um
  514. 21:13you know the public good provided is uh
  515. 21:17his projection okay so that's uh
  516. 21:20that's roughly about um uh
  517. 21:24barrow's uh setup now assume for
  518. 21:27instance
  519. 21:28that um you don't have the government's
  520. 21:33is not one
  521. 21:36kind i mean the government is uh has
  522. 21:40is divided you know that you have um
  523. 21:43someone in power someone outside of
  524. 21:45power waiting to get into
  525. 21:47um into power i mean into into
  526. 21:50government
  527. 21:50and that those in power cannot commit
  528. 21:54uh they cannot commit not to appropriate
  529. 21:56you know private producers
  530. 21:58and they also cannot commit not to
  531. 22:01default
  532. 22:02on on their death and it has some
  533. 22:05it is also assumed that they overvalue
  534. 22:07present consumptions
  535. 22:09being being power for instance it's
  536. 22:11something
  537. 22:12which is uh you know which uh
  538. 22:15give whomever in power some kind of uh
  539. 22:18present or some kind of
  540. 22:22bias towards current
  541. 22:25and in that setup with limited
  542. 22:28commitments
  543. 22:30and they show that political
  544. 22:33disagreement
  545. 22:34which is the gap in the in
  546. 22:37the gap in payoff between
  547. 22:41those in power and those who are out of
  548. 22:43power you know the
  549. 22:44level of polarization between
  550. 22:48um those who are currently in power and
  551. 22:51those who are not
  552. 22:52the more disagreement with the bigger is
  553. 22:56the
  554. 22:57degree of polarization between between
  555. 23:00them
  556. 23:00measured by a parameter
  557. 23:06data the
  558. 23:09growth will be slower you know so
  559. 23:11basically in this building setup
  560. 23:13they show how those in power have
  561. 23:17trouble committing to do the right thing
  562. 23:20and that ones that not doing the
  563. 23:24being power is highly rewarded rewarded
  564. 23:28compared to not being power then
  565. 23:31what's going to happen then is growth
  566. 23:33the speed of convergence instead it is
  567. 23:37i mean the set of convergence will be
  568. 23:39will be
  569. 23:40would be slower okay so that's basically
  570. 23:43how
  571. 23:45um you know how um like
  572. 23:48uh you know political competition
  573. 23:52and polarization for instance can play a
  574. 23:55role
  575. 23:56in slowing down growth rate
  576. 24:00especially in environments where you
  577. 24:02know
  578. 24:03those in power cannot commit not to
  579. 24:06appropriate
  580. 24:07and not to increase death okay
  581. 24:11now one of the most influential
  582. 24:14um political economy uh studies that
  583. 24:17link
  584. 24:18um basically political institutions to
  585. 24:21to
  586. 24:21to development with the schumpeterian
  587. 24:23criterion model
  588. 24:25that asks a very basic question which is
  589. 24:28you know
  590. 24:28is does democracy enhance or hamper
  591. 24:32growth there are theories showing it
  592. 24:35does because
  593. 24:36there is greater greater pressure for
  594. 24:38redistribution
  595. 24:40and you want to reduce a bit to get
  596. 24:41elected as a result this
  597. 24:43create incentive this disincentive for
  598. 24:46capital formation
  599. 24:48other talk about democracy
  600. 24:51can increase you know growth
  601. 24:54because it protects property rights
  602. 24:58and and lower the ability
  603. 25:01of incumbent to block new entrants and
  604. 25:04as a result
  605. 25:05uh to block innovation so that those are
  606. 25:08the two
  607. 25:08trends and and uh schumpeter's superior
  608. 25:11model focused more on the
  609. 25:13on the ladder you know on um the
  610. 25:17you know basically how democracy can
  611. 25:21can help and can promote uh innovation
  612. 25:24and growth
  613. 25:26and but then um in the model innovation
  614. 25:29and growth
  615. 25:30are promoted in countries
  616. 25:34closer to the technology frontier so
  617. 25:38countries at the technology configure
  618. 25:41like very very developed
  619. 25:42countries for instance in those
  620. 25:43countries then
  621. 25:45um democracy will be
  622. 25:49um will promote innovation
  623. 25:52and growth um and
  624. 25:56the the the model is very very stylized
  625. 25:59you know
  626. 25:59so we assume that you know output depend
  627. 26:02on technology
  628. 26:04and there are advanced sectors
  629. 26:07there are also backward sectors where
  630. 26:10you know the technology from yesterday
  631. 26:11is the
  632. 26:12technology today and then in each sector
  633. 26:15you have one incumbent and one potential
  634. 26:18entrance
  635. 26:20and and then we assume that only the
  636. 26:22potential
  637. 26:23entrant innovates
  638. 26:26but then before production potential
  639. 26:29entrant has to invest in ind
  640. 26:32in order to replace the incumbent and
  641. 26:35if successful productivity increased by
  642. 26:38this factor
  643. 26:40and then this will make the new entrance
  644. 26:41monopolist
  645. 26:43otherwise the current incumbent remain
  646. 26:46and
  647. 26:47you know things remain kind of
  648. 26:50backward if you will okay so
  649. 26:53now the the way democracy is introduced
  650. 26:56is simply through the probability
  651. 27:00that a successful innovation will lead
  652. 27:02to successful entry
  653. 27:04you know democracy is just the
  654. 27:06probability
  655. 27:08that um a new entrant
  656. 27:11will be able i mean a new firm
  657. 27:15innovative firm would be able to enter
  658. 27:18um you know uh the market so it's a it's
  659. 27:20a
  660. 27:22the assumption that's made here is that
  661. 27:23there is very very tight connection
  662. 27:26between the governments and um
  663. 27:29and the incumbent firms between
  664. 27:32incumbents in government
  665. 27:33and incumbent firms so and
  666. 27:36uh and as a result uh the the fortune
  667. 27:41of the new entrant is tied to the
  668. 27:44probability
  669. 27:45that i depend very heavily on the
  670. 27:48probability
  671. 27:49that whomever is in power can be
  672. 27:51replaced
  673. 27:52so so the key aspect of democracy here
  674. 27:55is the ability that it gives to an
  675. 27:58entrant
  676. 27:58politicians or firms to enter the market
  677. 28:02you know so if the potential
  678. 28:05entrant um you know as i said uh
  679. 28:09earlier they spend this
  680. 28:12much they can innovate with this
  681. 28:16probability
  682. 28:17so as a result the joint probability of
  683. 28:19an unblock entry is given by this
  684. 28:22so very stylized this is the the
  685. 28:25maximization problem
  686. 28:26the benefit and the cost and this is
  687. 28:28monopoly profit
  688. 28:30and in equilibrium this is what's
  689. 28:32happened and then you can see
  690. 28:34that you know the innovation effort is
  691. 28:36increasing
  692. 28:37in level of democracy and profit
  693. 28:40decreasing
  694. 28:40in rd cost okay so
  695. 28:44now if you look at the average uh level
  696. 28:46of productivity in the economy
  697. 28:48based on this it looked like
  698. 28:51this so which means that
  699. 28:55you know this term the aggregate product
  700. 28:58the average productivity growth
  701. 29:00in the economy is increasing level of
  702. 29:02democracy
  703. 29:03and democracy is more enhancing
  704. 29:07uh in in in frontier
  705. 29:10uh you know
  706. 29:13when uh when the country is close to the
  707. 29:16frontier and
  708. 29:17and uh aguila alessina and trevi has uh
  709. 29:20provided
  710. 29:21uh cross-country empirical evidence on
  711. 29:23this
  712. 29:24um that you know we can cover later on
  713. 29:27okay
  714. 29:27so this is um so so that's about
  715. 29:31one version of uh the schumacherian
  716. 29:35growth if you will but then another
  717. 29:38version or another extension
  718. 29:40of the original model is by asia can i
  719. 29:43ask something
  720. 29:44yes go ahead please uh maybe i missed uh
  721. 29:46missed it but uh in
  722. 29:48in the assumptions we made does it not
  723. 29:50mean that
  724. 29:51every time there are like uh elections
  725. 29:54the government will change
  726. 29:55because innovation comes only if uh the
  727. 29:58government changes
  728. 30:00or is there something which which will
  729. 30:01ensure that is there a cost as well
  730. 30:05so so with okay um
  731. 30:09maybe ask your question again i'm i'm
  732. 30:11not sure if i how you understand it
  733. 30:13properly go ahead
  734. 30:14uh in the assumptions that we made uh
  735. 30:16before this
  736. 30:17yeah i was just wondering that uh
  737. 30:19because only if the government changes
  738. 30:21is their
  739. 30:22uh innovation so is there anything which
  740. 30:25ensures that
  741. 30:27something like a cost which ensures that
  742. 30:29there's a possibility that the
  743. 30:30government does not change
  744. 30:32that's a very that's a very very good
  745. 30:34question so first of all um
  746. 30:36here it's not necessary okay let me put
  747. 30:38this way
  748. 30:39is the possibility that the government
  749. 30:42will change
  750. 30:43that help discipline
  751. 30:46the incumbent you know so in actuality
  752. 30:50it might be the case that the government
  753. 30:51stay
  754. 30:52but the fact that they
  755. 30:56they um you know that they
  756. 31:00that they are threatened exit
  757. 31:03to to exit my discipline then
  758. 31:06not to block technological change
  759. 31:10but empirically the evidence
  760. 31:13show is that when
  761. 31:16incumbent does lose election
  762. 31:19you know when the possibility exists
  763. 31:22that incumbent does lose
  764. 31:24power and election when political
  765. 31:27competition
  766. 31:28is is real then you have more
  767. 31:32innovation at the top at the frontier
  768. 31:34you see what i mean
  769. 31:35so the point here you can make the case
  770. 31:37that actual turnover in government
  771. 31:39help produce productivity and help
  772. 31:42innovation
  773. 31:44but but even
  774. 31:47but perhaps i don't know this was shown
  775. 31:49explicitly
  776. 31:50in in in in this is shown empirically
  777. 31:55but the threats to lose election
  778. 31:58might also create um
  779. 32:01incentives for innovation
  780. 32:06you know because the incumbent has some
  781. 32:08protection
  782. 32:09okay so okay uh sir excuse me
  783. 32:13yeah okay uh leona um is that not
  784. 32:16also important that we have
  785. 32:20the right definition of democracy in
  786. 32:22this regard because the assumption for
  787. 32:24me it's uh
  788. 32:25it's too broad some might argue that
  789. 32:29political distortion i mean
  790. 32:32instability in government or possibility
  791. 32:35of government changing could also in the
  792. 32:37investment
  793. 32:38in that regard so i think i would want a
  794. 32:41what
  795. 32:41in what regard i mean what is the
  796. 32:43population of democracy in this case is
  797. 32:44it yeah yeah
  798. 32:45okay democracy
  799. 32:48i understand the question so okay let's
  800. 32:50distinguish between
  801. 32:52uh states and government okay okay
  802. 32:56okay if states are strong
  803. 33:00and stable meaning there are rules
  804. 33:05governing the way investment should be
  805. 33:08made
  806. 33:09public goods should be distributed and
  807. 33:11those rules are applied
  808. 33:13regardless who is in power there is no
  809. 33:16reason why
  810. 33:17they should deter investment okay okay
  811. 33:20that states state stability and
  812. 33:24state capacity okay but then you know
  813. 33:28for instance
  814. 33:28i agree with you that whenever you have
  815. 33:31a situation where
  816. 33:33governments turn over weaken
  817. 33:36states in if
  818. 33:40you know from the city government
  819. 33:42turnover for instance can deter
  820. 33:44investment
  821. 33:45you know so for instance there are many
  822. 33:46stories showing for instance that a
  823. 33:49local level
  824. 33:51when mayors lose election
  825. 33:54um it has bad impact it has low
  826. 33:57it has a negative impact on learning
  827. 34:00outcome at school
  828. 34:02because when a mayor leaves the new
  829. 34:05the new one come fire everyone else
  830. 34:08come with a new staff
  831. 34:12and it's back to square one you see what
  832. 34:14i mean so
  833. 34:15so so i think the point you are making
  834. 34:17is a very valid one we have to make sure
  835. 34:20that the the stability that the states
  836. 34:25remain stable in spite of its bias
  837. 34:29of government turnover exactly this map
  838. 34:34that's a very very important point so
  839. 34:36yeah anyway
  840. 34:37thank you um and so so yeah and then um
  841. 34:41i see morgan robinson for instance i
  842. 34:43mentioned earlier they looked at
  843. 34:45how incumbent can block technological
  844. 34:48change
  845. 34:49uh because uh innovation will reduce
  846. 34:53uh their power you know basically they
  847. 34:55are too channeled here
  848. 34:56one channel is that one channel where
  849. 34:59this happens
  850. 35:00is that the firms and the government
  851. 35:03are so tight that when
  852. 35:07the firm when the government leaves
  853. 35:11the firms is weakened and
  854. 35:15the resources that the government get
  855. 35:18disappears you see what i mean so as a
  856. 35:21result they make sure
  857. 35:23that even that that connected firms
  858. 35:27remain you see what i mean so that's one
  859. 35:29the second
  860. 35:30is that technological change for
  861. 35:32instance can empower citizens
  862. 35:35you know it can make you know citizens
  863. 35:37for instance
  864. 35:38uh more powerful and powerful citizens
  865. 35:42will demand
  866. 35:43change you know you see what i mean like
  867. 35:45uh you know i mean a government that
  868. 35:47enable
  869. 35:48digital or social media for instance
  870. 35:52um might uh be working
  871. 35:55against its interest you know because
  872. 35:58citizen would be better informed and as
  873. 35:59a result they are going to demand change
  874. 36:01okay so so clearly the idea here is that
  875. 36:04technology might be blocked because
  876. 36:07governments in power might
  877. 36:09fear how these are going to affect the
  878. 36:11decision that citizens will make
  879. 36:13and it also the fact that they might be
  880. 36:16so tightly connected to um to
  881. 36:19incumbent firms that and they don't want
  882. 36:22this firm to to to
  883. 36:23to to leave okay so so that's uh
  884. 36:27that's the asimoglou and robinson
  885. 36:29johnson robinson
  886. 36:30version of how
  887. 36:33um democracy will promote growth
  888. 36:37by blocked by
  889. 36:40by punishing or by
  890. 36:43incumbents that have an incentive to
  891. 36:46block
  892. 36:46uh technology because of their economic
  893. 36:49ties okay
  894. 36:50so okay this is those are the benchmarks
  895. 36:53you know one
  896. 36:54is about government turnover the one is
  897. 36:55about control enforcement the
  898. 36:57first one is uh public investment those
  899. 36:59are the three
  900. 37:00set of um you know three setup um
  901. 37:04institutions okay so now in this videos
  902. 37:08very simple environment
  903. 37:10so let's look at um how
  904. 37:13political institutions in this simple
  905. 37:15environment
  906. 37:16will affect growth and consumption
  907. 37:20debt profile you know coming from uh
  908. 37:22aggia and
  909. 37:23um uh and amador technologically in in
  910. 37:26innovation firm productivity and
  911. 37:30and dynamics uh coming from asimoglou
  912. 37:33and now arguing now okay so that's
  913. 37:36basically
  914. 37:36what we are going to do as i mentioned
  915. 37:38earlier we just take this
  916. 37:40as a benchmark and say okay how does the
  917. 37:43deviation from the prediction of this
  918. 37:46benchmark model for instance
  919. 37:48would be detrimental to growth so
  920. 37:51what you know we want to see whether
  921. 37:53this effect can be observed from
  922. 37:54critically
  923. 37:56um you know which firm will benefit and
  924. 37:59lose
  925. 38:00um and how to think about the choice of
  926. 38:03political connections
  927. 38:04and how the type of policy
  928. 38:08that we should consider to improve
  929. 38:09welfare and so on
  930. 38:11so so basically we are now
  931. 38:14basically going michael you know to see
  932. 38:19how um
  933. 38:22um connections of different type
  934. 38:25okay because remember you know in
  935. 38:28barrow politicians just wanted to i mean
  936. 38:31the government just wanted to
  937. 38:33maximize the representative
  938. 38:36consumers equity function but government
  939. 38:39has to get elected
  940. 38:41you know and what they want instead is
  941. 38:44how to maximize their probability of
  942. 38:45being elected
  943. 38:47how we want to uh maximize the payoffs
  944. 38:50coming from being elected you know not
  945. 38:53uh
  946. 38:54you know anyway so so if we look at this
  947. 38:58and then uh then we can understand
  948. 39:01political connection and we can see how
  949. 39:02those connections for instance
  950. 39:04will will distort the optimal allocation
  951. 39:08of resources that government will
  952. 39:10provide okay
  953. 39:11so we are going to take several examples
  954. 39:14the first example is patronage and
  955. 39:16target reciprocal
  956. 39:17distribution which is mostly like
  957. 39:19distortion of public investment
  958. 39:21so we are going i'm going to go through
  959. 39:22two examples and maybe many more but you
  960. 39:25know
  961. 39:25feel free to actually read more about it
  962. 39:28because i think it's
  963. 39:28very very interesting the first one is
  964. 39:31um
  965. 39:33basically the allocation of roads
  966. 39:37in kenya
  967. 39:40and it shows that
  968. 39:44democracy redistributes
  969. 39:48more almost more or less fairly
  970. 39:52um between a road network between
  971. 39:57areas that are dominated by co-ethnics
  972. 40:00and area dominated by non-coherent
  973. 40:03you know so and
  974. 40:07so if we want to choose between
  975. 40:10democracy
  976. 40:11and dictatorship between
  977. 40:14turnover in governments and not
  978. 40:18the claim which is made here is that
  979. 40:22democracy is better not not
  980. 40:25not that democracy is perfect
  981. 40:28you know but it's better than autocracy
  982. 40:32you know and um and they look at
  983. 40:35basically the effect of road expenditure
  984. 40:38on co-ethnic
  985. 40:39districts and the effects
  986. 40:43and the show that the effect
  987. 40:45misallocation
  988. 40:47or distortion in public investment
  989. 40:50giving more i'm going to be explaining
  990. 40:53about distortion what what distortion
  991. 40:55mean in a second
  992. 40:56giving more to queue ethnics and
  993. 40:58co-ethnics it's likely to be present
  994. 41:01on the autocracy but disappear on the
  995. 41:03democracy
  996. 41:05okay so there are similar stories
  997. 41:09done um in this time
  998. 41:13not between autocracy and demo and
  999. 41:15dictatorship but within
  1000. 41:17democracy and show for instance how
  1001. 41:20once office holders want to hold on to
  1002. 41:23power
  1003. 41:25even in a democracy they can misallocate
  1004. 41:29public investment you know they can
  1005. 41:32you know in india they will provide
  1006. 41:34insurance to vulnerable clients for
  1007. 41:36political favor
  1008. 41:37in pakistan in uh sabrina's work
  1009. 41:41berg's work they show how for instance
  1010. 41:44um they um you know
  1011. 41:48how politics affect um
  1012. 41:52tenancy and and and there are a lot of
  1013. 41:56example also in the us okay
  1014. 41:58so here is here is basically um the
  1015. 42:01picture here
  1016. 42:02so interestingly what is interesting
  1017. 42:05here
  1018. 42:05is that you have a
  1019. 42:08the you you usually evolution of um
  1020. 42:13of you know you you switch
  1021. 42:16in kenya between democracy and
  1022. 42:18dictatorship
  1023. 42:19or directorship and
  1024. 42:23back to democracy and look at
  1025. 42:27what whomever's in power do when
  1026. 42:32uh does i'm sorry when the
  1027. 42:35when you have political transition
  1028. 42:38so for instance here
  1029. 42:41um it was a kikuyu dominated
  1030. 42:45period i mean it was it was uh you know
  1031. 42:47it was
  1032. 42:48a democratic democratic government
  1033. 42:51autocracy um and then
  1034. 42:55autocracy back to autocracy back to
  1035. 42:58democracy
  1036. 42:59and you know and and i'm not sure
  1037. 43:02between
  1038. 43:0310 and up but you know it's uh i think
  1039. 43:06it's back to democracy
  1040. 43:07anyway but the point here is that as you
  1041. 43:10can see
  1042. 43:11in period of democracy like here
  1043. 43:15and here you have oh yeah particularly
  1044. 43:19particularly here
  1045. 43:20you have a higher
  1046. 43:24co-ethnic bias sorry you have a lower
  1047. 43:27ethnic bias in road allocation than on
  1048. 43:30the autocracy
  1049. 43:31you can see here for instance a location
  1050. 43:34of public investment in roads
  1051. 43:36much higher you know um
  1052. 43:40under on the autocracies done on the
  1053. 43:43on the on on the democracy okay so
  1054. 43:47and anyway so and and for instance
  1055. 43:50[Music]
  1056. 43:52this is confirmed by this table and
  1057. 43:55to show that this is dictionary they
  1058. 43:57show
  1059. 43:58they look at the contrafactual world
  1060. 44:00network
  1061. 44:02the world network that a a social
  1062. 44:05planner
  1063. 44:06or the a
  1064. 44:10development outcome maximizing
  1065. 44:13government will choose
  1066. 44:14and compare it to the actual road
  1067. 44:16network and
  1068. 44:18and show that uh under democracy
  1069. 44:21there is less gap in terms of uh
  1070. 44:24the less i mean smaller gap in between
  1071. 44:28the actual road network and the
  1072. 44:29contractor contractual road network
  1073. 44:31than there is on the autocracy okay so
  1074. 44:34that's one
  1075. 44:35about destruction of public investment
  1076. 44:38in roads
  1077. 44:38you know there are a lot of studies
  1078. 44:40showing similar distortion in
  1079. 44:41educational investments
  1080. 44:43and um and also in
  1081. 44:47you know income distribution scheme that
  1082. 44:49might be that might take place
  1083. 44:50okay and again that i said this was a
  1084. 44:53comparison between democracy and
  1085. 44:54dictatorship
  1086. 44:55but in fact if you look within
  1087. 44:57democracies for instance
  1088. 44:59you can see that
  1089. 45:03this you know um politicians
  1090. 45:07might favor
  1091. 45:11some specific groups more likely to vote
  1092. 45:14for them
  1093. 45:16you know than other groups anyway so but
  1094. 45:18this is just to make a point
  1095. 45:20that institutions
  1096. 45:23democracy and also within democracy
  1097. 45:27um you know and the the
  1098. 45:31can lead to that can lead to distortion
  1099. 45:34in in public investment
  1100. 45:36now the second part the second type of
  1101. 45:39distortion
  1102. 45:40is patronage so what is spectrometer is
  1103. 45:42the social reappointment of individual
  1104. 45:44to government and political position
  1105. 45:47basically is
  1106. 45:51filling government position with
  1107. 45:56political appointees you know okay and
  1108. 45:59this
  1109. 46:00can happen two ways it can happen um
  1110. 46:03as if type of political exchange
  1111. 46:05exchange
  1112. 46:06you know you helped me get elected
  1113. 46:10and then i i asked you know i put in
  1114. 46:14charge
  1115. 46:15of a government agency
  1116. 46:18it could also be um
  1117. 46:21driven by social ties you know
  1118. 46:25in a sense like um you are
  1119. 46:28from we went to school together
  1120. 46:32you are one of my you know you are in my
  1121. 46:35social network
  1122. 46:36and i reward you by putting you
  1123. 46:39in a government position you know so so
  1124. 46:42again the ties here can be political it
  1125. 46:44can be social
  1126. 46:45all right so close connection of firms
  1127. 46:49and states in hiring practices
  1128. 46:51my effect who get who get fired who
  1129. 46:54could get hired
  1130. 46:55can affect the quality of bureaucracy
  1131. 46:57and policy implementation
  1132. 46:58and which policy is implemented so there
  1133. 47:00is a classical
  1134. 47:01classic studies done uh by sue
  1135. 47:04in 2018 about for british empire
  1136. 47:08and basically the context is british
  1137. 47:10empire 1854 and 1966
  1138. 47:14with they used a newly digitized data
  1139. 47:18and um we study we study the effect of
  1140. 47:21patronage
  1141. 47:22that i defined earlier on promotion to
  1142. 47:25higher salary position
  1143. 47:27and the
  1144. 47:30and the effect on tax revenue tax agents
  1145. 47:33and exemptions
  1146. 47:34and an investment okay and they they
  1147. 47:37study use two type of variation
  1148. 47:39the one is electroshock because
  1149. 47:43first of all a party has to win
  1150. 47:48to be able at the party you have to win
  1151. 47:51to select
  1152. 47:52the secretary of state i mean foreign
  1153. 47:55minister
  1154. 47:56who then will select a governor
  1155. 48:00you know so so uncertainty about being
  1156. 48:04elected in that position is
  1157. 48:05the first source of variation the second
  1158. 48:08source of variation
  1159. 48:09is is the fact that in 1930
  1160. 48:13there is the warren official reform that
  1161. 48:15makes this appointment overseen
  1162. 48:17by independent civil service civil
  1163. 48:19service
  1164. 48:20so so i mean the reform makes
  1165. 48:23patron appointment less likely okay
  1166. 48:27and this picture tell the story very
  1167. 48:29clearly you can see
  1168. 48:30for instance that in terms of average
  1169. 48:34salary
  1170. 48:36political appointees was making more
  1171. 48:39than non-political appointees so
  1172. 48:42patronage
  1173. 48:44increased the wage bill for the
  1174. 48:46government but then after 1930
  1175. 48:50you know from 1930 the gap
  1176. 48:53um decreased significantly to the point
  1177. 48:57where
  1178. 48:57it's more or less the same uh you know
  1179. 48:59from 1950
  1180. 49:00on until the british empire disappeared
  1181. 49:04okay so basically um patronage is a
  1182. 49:07distortion
  1183. 49:08of public management you know and
  1184. 49:12they also show for instance that um you
  1185. 49:16know
  1186. 49:16this has a negative effect
  1187. 49:20on um on public expenditure on
  1188. 49:22investment as i said earlier
  1189. 49:25and um you know anyway so
  1190. 49:28i will really strongly recommend to you
  1191. 49:30to read the paper because
  1192. 49:32uh you know the evidence is extremely
  1193. 49:34extremely
  1194. 49:35extremely extremely solid okay so now
  1195. 49:38this is
  1196. 49:39about um patronage you know how
  1197. 49:42this institution might distort
  1198. 49:46public investment in roads and distorts
  1199. 49:49as well um public management
  1200. 49:53you know through patronage and how this
  1201. 49:55can lower
  1202. 49:56tax revenues and
  1203. 50:00and increase the cost of running
  1204. 50:03governments you know through the highest
  1205. 50:06salary for the appointees
  1206. 50:07and so on you know there are even much
  1207. 50:10worse form
  1208. 50:11of patronage than this and in political
  1209. 50:13science they call it
  1210. 50:14pre-vandalism which is basically the
  1211. 50:17political appointee
  1212. 50:19not only gain by being appointed
  1213. 50:23in terms of salary even if it is not
  1214. 50:27as competent but sometimes
  1215. 50:31they are given ownership
  1216. 50:34of part of government and they can
  1217. 50:37basically
  1218. 50:38run it as they wish you know run it down
  1219. 50:41completely
  1220. 50:42okay so this is the worst
  1221. 50:46so what i'm saying is that the evidence
  1222. 50:47will be hanky we find him in terms of uh
  1223. 50:50um in terms of um the cost of patronage
  1224. 50:53described
  1225. 50:54by tsu in in the british empire can be
  1226. 50:57actually much much worse than that
  1227. 50:58okay so okay now let's talk about
  1228. 51:01control enforcement control enforcement
  1229. 51:03i'm going to cover a question
  1230. 51:06yes go ahead um before you go to the
  1231. 51:09next one
  1232. 51:09um quickly i think i it's about
  1233. 51:12um an earlier slide which which is about
  1234. 51:15distortion resulting from
  1235. 51:17um the provision of public goods yeah
  1236. 51:20yeah
  1237. 51:20you mean yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah this
  1238. 51:24one
  1239. 51:25is is it is it the case that governments
  1240. 51:28increase spending during elections could
  1241. 51:30also be a source of
  1242. 51:31this type of distortion so that
  1243. 51:34government spends more during an
  1244. 51:36election because it wants to be retained
  1245. 51:39could that also be a source of this type
  1246. 51:41of distortion absolutely
  1247. 51:42absolutely and there are a lot of
  1248. 51:43studies on that for instance um
  1249. 51:46uh you know there are a lot of studies
  1250. 51:48on for instance
  1251. 51:50it's called a political business cycle
  1252. 51:52you know
  1253. 51:53where government for instance
  1254. 51:57um over over spain
  1255. 52:00at the eve of election basically
  1256. 52:04in strategic areas you know so that they
  1257. 52:07can retain
  1258. 52:08uh power you know and it could be
  1259. 52:11not only public investments you know
  1260. 52:14like public investment in roads and
  1261. 52:16infrastructure and so on
  1262. 52:17it could also be patronage like for
  1263. 52:19instance
  1264. 52:20assume that you know you need votes
  1265. 52:24from a given district in northeast
  1266. 52:27to win the election you know that you
  1267. 52:30are in power
  1268. 52:31what do you do you appoint somebody from
  1269. 52:34that region
  1270. 52:35before the election to an important
  1271. 52:36position
  1272. 52:38by telling everyone well you know what
  1273. 52:41if i lose the election
  1274. 52:42your guy is going to be fired because
  1275. 52:44i'm not there anymore
  1276. 52:46but if i win yeah he's there so as a
  1277. 52:49result you
  1278. 52:50tie them in and force them to vote for
  1279. 52:52you you see
  1280. 52:53so so so you know i mean like those are
  1281. 52:55just examples
  1282. 52:57of distortion but i think i mean okay
  1283. 53:00for those interested in political
  1284. 53:02economy and growth
  1285. 53:03this is some of the hottest areas of uh
  1286. 53:06for research
  1287. 53:07because the data is there you know and
  1288. 53:10also because
  1289. 53:10it's very powerful evidence
  1290. 53:14of political distortion
  1291. 53:18you know and and i think there are a lot
  1292. 53:21of studies of this type
  1293. 53:23in political science among political
  1294. 53:24economies
  1295. 53:26very few in economics and i i i i hope
  1296. 53:29there will be there is more
  1297. 53:31you know because i think we passed the
  1298. 53:33time where
  1299. 53:35um you know basically we think about the
  1300. 53:38government
  1301. 53:39as benevolence and doing what is right
  1302. 53:42you know that's where generation one
  1303. 53:45barrows
  1304. 53:46generation but i would not like me to
  1305. 53:48say that but anyway so
  1306. 53:52you have to start from somewhere anyway
  1307. 53:54but now you know when we look at
  1308. 53:56real government with incentives
  1309. 54:01to get in power discretion
  1310. 54:05over public investments
  1311. 54:08and hiring to retain
  1312. 54:11power then we observe those kind of
  1313. 54:14distortion
  1314. 54:15and we need to think creatively about
  1315. 54:18how you can
  1316. 54:18limit this you know because
  1317. 54:22um you know it's more i mean the hottest
  1318. 54:25area i think in this
  1319. 54:26kind of research is basically uh you
  1320. 54:28know to to to find
  1321. 54:30creative way you can reduce political
  1322. 54:34distortion
  1323. 54:35because it's natural it's structural
  1324. 54:38you know there is no way somebody will
  1325. 54:41be in power
  1326. 54:42and not have an incentive to use his
  1327. 54:45discretionary power
  1328. 54:46over public spending to do this they
  1329. 54:49will do it
  1330. 54:50so the question like uh you know my son
  1331. 54:53and chewovski will ask will it is it's
  1332. 54:56going how
  1333. 54:57do you design the rules and institutions
  1334. 55:00in government
  1335. 55:01to make this less likely to happen you
  1336. 55:03know i think this is a very very
  1337. 55:04truthful area
  1338. 55:05that i think uh something that might be
  1339. 55:07anyway so i agree with you
  1340. 55:09okay so now let's talk about contract
  1341. 55:11enforcement
  1342. 55:13so so this is it's a it's a it's it's a
  1343. 55:17really really cool paper that's just
  1344. 55:19getting uh
  1345. 55:20qj i think it's about how
  1346. 55:23weak contrast enforcement mechanism can
  1347. 55:25lead to misallocation
  1348. 55:27you know so um you know and they
  1349. 55:31they use a very clever kind of strategy
  1350. 55:34to measure
  1351. 55:35weak control enforcement strategy
  1352. 55:38by by using the example of
  1353. 55:42congested courts as a proxy for weak
  1354. 55:45contract enforcement and they study the
  1355. 55:48effect of
  1356. 55:49caught congestion on firm structure
  1357. 55:51productivity
  1358. 55:53and expenditure and then they look at
  1359. 55:56contractually what would have happened
  1360. 55:58if congestion were reduced
  1361. 56:00if caught congestion is reduced and they
  1362. 56:02use the reduced form analysis we fix the
  1363. 56:05instrumental variable and you know like
  1364. 56:09basically um look at um structural model
  1365. 56:13and you know and focus on parameter that
  1366. 56:16governance
  1367. 56:17friction so they use some you know
  1368. 56:20evidence to show
  1369. 56:21that um average age of pending civil
  1370. 56:24cases in each court
  1371. 56:26um against the age
  1372. 56:30you know and and define and they use um
  1373. 56:33the age as instrument
  1374. 56:37for um for conjecture
  1375. 56:40and uh as you can see for instance um
  1376. 56:44material expenditure in a total cost
  1377. 56:47negatively affected by code congestion
  1378. 56:52so so that's that that's good and
  1379. 56:55um anyway so to summarize
  1380. 56:58so production and sourcing decision
  1381. 57:00appear to be systematically distorted
  1382. 57:04in states with weak enforcements you
  1383. 57:07know and this is uh similar to goldstein
  1384. 57:09and eudrin's paper
  1385. 57:11you know where they show for instance
  1386. 57:12that um chiefs
  1387. 57:14in ghana for instance invest more
  1388. 57:19in technology because they are
  1389. 57:23land less likely to be appropriated
  1390. 57:27you know so so so so status in society
  1391. 57:31is your protection against um
  1392. 57:34you know against um uh
  1393. 57:37basically exploitation you know it's
  1394. 57:39similar here so
  1395. 57:40it's as if the differential contract
  1396. 57:43enforcement
  1397. 57:44control enforcement for the chiefs
  1398. 57:46control enforcement from non-chiefs
  1399. 57:48you know here the difference between
  1400. 57:50states that
  1401. 57:51have conjectured court states that do
  1402. 57:53not you know
  1403. 57:55and plants instead that with more
  1404. 57:57conjectures code will shift their
  1405. 57:58expenditure away from intermediary input
  1406. 58:00that have a
  1407. 58:01greater um vehicle plan for production
  1408. 58:05in the structural model they show how
  1409. 58:08weak enforcement exacerbate
  1410. 58:10how the problem um you know
  1411. 58:15you know anyway so just
  1412. 58:19take a in-depth look at that paper you
  1413. 58:21know
  1414. 58:22showing how we contracting enforcement
  1415. 58:25will affect um uh misallocation of
  1416. 58:28resources you know i think this is
  1417. 58:29this is this is the kind of um micro
  1418. 58:33careful micro work linking institutions
  1419. 58:36to development that i think we need more
  1420. 58:39of you know because
  1421. 58:41institution is broad development is
  1422. 58:44broad
  1423. 58:45you know so when you reduce it by saying
  1424. 58:48well
  1425. 58:49here contract enforcement measured by
  1426. 58:53congestion court development
  1427. 58:56misallocation and then you link both
  1428. 59:00with data from one country you know
  1429. 59:04clean you know so i think this is this
  1430. 59:07is the
  1431. 59:08this is very very interesting okay now
  1432. 59:11the last part of the last type of
  1433. 59:14political distortion
  1434. 59:15which is widely widely covered in the
  1435. 59:17literature currently is
  1436. 59:19state captured and
  1437. 59:23okay the the initial
  1438. 59:27interesting and important work on state
  1439. 59:30capture
  1440. 59:31is due to fissman uh from um
  1441. 59:35you know from bu and currently at bu who
  1442. 59:38and he showed
  1443. 59:39how um
  1444. 59:43firms that
  1445. 59:46are firms that um
  1446. 59:49basically are connected to
  1447. 59:53suharto how they are
  1448. 59:56the you know the stock prices security
  1449. 59:59prices are affected by
  1450. 1:00:01news about his health so and we find
  1451. 1:00:05that
  1452. 1:00:06one way to predict stock prices
  1453. 1:00:10and detect which one is connected which
  1454. 1:00:13one is not
  1455. 1:00:15is by see how the stock prices respond
  1456. 1:00:18to the health
  1457. 1:00:19of suharto you know
  1458. 1:00:23so which shows that it showed that and
  1459. 1:00:26they find that the value
  1460. 1:00:28okay connected firms are valued 20
  1461. 1:00:32higher because their stock prices
  1462. 1:00:36drop by 20 percent if there are news
  1463. 1:00:40that their connection might disappear
  1464. 1:00:43by because of the health of suharto okay
  1465. 1:00:47so there are other works along this line
  1466. 1:00:51you know showing that this is very very
  1467. 1:00:53common
  1468. 1:00:55and you know there are data sets uh
  1469. 1:00:58that's provided in fascio on this
  1470. 1:01:00you know i'm not going to go through
  1471. 1:01:01that um
  1472. 1:01:04now so um now the
  1473. 1:01:07the the i i think i have maybe another
  1474. 1:01:10maybe
  1475. 1:01:1110 minutes or so um so so let me
  1476. 1:01:15just um maybe go over very quickly
  1477. 1:01:18um how connections come about
  1478. 1:01:23um you know and what what is
  1479. 1:01:26uh you know the effect um
  1480. 1:01:30so i should also before i
  1481. 1:01:33i think i i should say that um
  1482. 1:01:36there are several you know
  1483. 1:01:39similar stories on political connection
  1484. 1:01:42that i i didn't cover
  1485. 1:01:44like one is by quaja and a sim showing
  1486. 1:01:47for instance how
  1487. 1:01:48connected firms in in pakistan have
  1488. 1:01:51better access to finances
  1489. 1:01:53than than other uh non-connected firms
  1490. 1:01:57and they were able even to to to show
  1491. 1:02:01the effect that it has on growth to able
  1492. 1:02:04to quantify
  1493. 1:02:05how connections and distortion
  1494. 1:02:08coming from political connection affect
  1495. 1:02:11growth rate
  1496. 1:02:12okay so okay so i mean
  1497. 1:02:15one way um connections
  1498. 1:02:18happen is to campaign contribution
  1499. 1:02:22there is a a great study uh done by
  1500. 1:02:25about two nights 2020 by showing
  1501. 1:02:29how the probability of winning
  1502. 1:02:32uh contract government contract for
  1503. 1:02:36instance
  1504. 1:02:37uh dropped drastically when
  1505. 1:02:40firms sorry when there is a ban
  1506. 1:02:44on campaign contribution you see the
  1507. 1:02:47probability
  1508. 1:02:49of connected firms in winning um
  1509. 1:02:52you know government contract is much
  1510. 1:02:55higher before the ban
  1511. 1:02:56and disappeared after the event it's
  1512. 1:02:58extremely powerful
  1513. 1:03:00evidence you know that um campaign
  1514. 1:03:03contribution is one of the channel
  1515. 1:03:05through which for instance political
  1516. 1:03:07distortion happen
  1517. 1:03:08you know and um
  1518. 1:03:12so and they use you know they use
  1519. 1:03:14different diff
  1520. 1:03:15before and after you know it's like it's
  1521. 1:03:17like a policy
  1522. 1:03:18before a policy after the policy and see
  1523. 1:03:21you can see for instance that
  1524. 1:03:23contributes contributes and ban
  1525. 1:03:26has negative sign so it shows that uh
  1526. 1:03:29after the ban
  1527. 1:03:31you know this gap i mean
  1528. 1:03:34and this kind of study actually it just
  1529. 1:03:37gives you hope right
  1530. 1:03:38because when you think when you see all
  1531. 1:03:41the rig
  1532. 1:03:42procurement contract that you see even
  1533. 1:03:44in developing countries
  1534. 1:03:46you can just simply assume that this is
  1535. 1:03:48structural it's not going to change it's
  1536. 1:03:50there forever
  1537. 1:03:52but then you bring some relatively
  1538. 1:03:55modest
  1539. 1:03:56kind of intervention which is limiting
  1540. 1:04:00and banning campaign contribution and
  1541. 1:04:03you see
  1542. 1:04:04the gap be in we you see the effect
  1543. 1:04:08on um on on on
  1544. 1:04:12on procurement process over
  1545. 1:04:15even few years you know so i think i
  1546. 1:04:18strongly recommend that you you read
  1547. 1:04:20this paper you might find it very
  1548. 1:04:21very very inspiring because i mean those
  1549. 1:04:24data exist
  1550. 1:04:25you know and you'll be shocked about
  1551. 1:04:28what you find
  1552. 1:04:29and then you know as i said earlier you
  1553. 1:04:31can be a good inspiration for you in
  1554. 1:04:32terms
  1555. 1:04:33in terms of how you want to actually
  1556. 1:04:37i mean it can be a good inspiration and
  1557. 1:04:39what kind of
  1558. 1:04:40policy you know you can you can propose
  1559. 1:04:43you know one thing
  1560. 1:04:44is to detect um distortion
  1561. 1:04:47and measure it another one is to think
  1562. 1:04:49about how to fix it
  1563. 1:04:50and the way we can fix it is to to to
  1564. 1:04:53see
  1565. 1:04:54um this kind of policy the one that i'm
  1566. 1:04:55describing here
  1567. 1:04:57and the mechanism through which they
  1568. 1:04:59happen okay
  1569. 1:05:01and um another um you know
  1570. 1:05:05very important paper uh is by actually
  1571. 1:05:08oxygen um for instance also
  1572. 1:05:11there has some kind of competition
  1573. 1:05:12flavor
  1574. 1:05:14showing for instance how incumbent firms
  1575. 1:05:17are entrenched they are highly connected
  1576. 1:05:22they are less innovative and
  1577. 1:05:26you know and the cost
  1578. 1:05:29for the economy of um
  1579. 1:05:32those entrenchment but again as i
  1580. 1:05:35mentioned earlier
  1581. 1:05:36it takes the risk of political turnover
  1582. 1:05:40but it also takes institutional fix
  1583. 1:05:44like the one we just described like
  1584. 1:05:47banning campaign contribution
  1585. 1:05:49or more transparency in government to
  1586. 1:05:51reduce those
  1587. 1:05:52those kind of incentives okay so um
  1588. 1:05:55you know very as i said there are a
  1589. 1:05:57massive number of papers
  1590. 1:05:59on polycon connection on outcome i
  1591. 1:06:02already talked to about kwaja and myan
  1592. 1:06:04talking about uh probability of bailout
  1593. 1:06:06in the u.s
  1594. 1:06:07loan from state banks in brazil lower
  1595. 1:06:10taxation
  1596. 1:06:11easy access so great set of papers
  1597. 1:06:14on showing basically providing
  1598. 1:06:18evidence of political distortion coming
  1599. 1:06:21from political connection
  1600. 1:06:22okay this is great now one one
  1601. 1:06:26before i conclude let me tell you about
  1602. 1:06:28uh
  1603. 1:06:29uh you know basically um
  1604. 1:06:33one of the channels to which public
  1605. 1:06:35connection are created is through
  1606. 1:06:36lobbying
  1607. 1:06:37and lobbying can be good or bad you know
  1608. 1:06:40but because lobbying for instance
  1609. 1:06:42is a way government can get
  1610. 1:06:45expert information you know like for
  1611. 1:06:47instance
  1612. 1:06:49you know i mean i would like to lobby
  1613. 1:06:50the us government for instance
  1614. 1:06:52um to inform them about
  1615. 1:06:56countries in africa that's a truly
  1616. 1:06:58democratic i mean no
  1617. 1:07:00assume that i know the truth right so
  1618. 1:07:02truly they were
  1619. 1:07:03one that's less you know and you
  1620. 1:07:06lobbying for instance will help
  1621. 1:07:10i don't know let's say microsoft or
  1622. 1:07:12others you know to
  1623. 1:07:14get the government to be more
  1624. 1:07:16knowledgeable
  1625. 1:07:18about you know the new development
  1626. 1:07:21in the new technology you know so but
  1627. 1:07:23then
  1628. 1:07:24lobbying can also create
  1629. 1:07:27a political connection that might create
  1630. 1:07:30political distortions that i describe
  1631. 1:07:32and what is interesting when you want to
  1632. 1:07:34study this question
  1633. 1:07:36in the u.s in particular is that it's
  1634. 1:07:37very transparent you know there's a lot
  1635. 1:07:39of data
  1636. 1:07:39on lobbying and as i said it can be
  1637. 1:07:43information information transmission
  1638. 1:07:46it can also be
  1639. 1:07:50provide incentives um
  1640. 1:07:53incentive for political connection so
  1641. 1:07:56um you know if you burn you might
  1642. 1:08:00lose or you might win you know so there
  1643. 1:08:02are a lot of studies
  1644. 1:08:03trying to disentangle um you know
  1645. 1:08:06the you know what is
  1646. 1:08:10what what what effect is driven by
  1647. 1:08:12information sharing
  1648. 1:08:13and what is the effect is driven by
  1649. 1:08:14political connection
  1650. 1:08:16so there are models that
  1651. 1:08:19you know look at this um you know
  1652. 1:08:22so consider uh lobbying
  1653. 1:08:27and how it leads to misallocation
  1654. 1:08:30and so on uh particularly you know
  1655. 1:08:33honest and kim
  1656. 1:08:34is very very informative because not
  1657. 1:08:36only theoretically but also empirically
  1658. 1:08:38okay so um
  1659. 1:08:41now okay let me talk about political
  1660. 1:08:44application very briefly before i end
  1661. 1:08:46so maybe in in you know maybe in three
  1662. 1:08:49four minutes
  1663. 1:08:50so okay so
  1664. 1:08:53um the one implication of this result is
  1665. 1:08:58that
  1666. 1:08:58you know you should ban political
  1667. 1:09:02connection
  1668. 1:09:03and lobbying but this is not
  1669. 1:09:04straightforward as i mentioned earlier
  1670. 1:09:07and also in a paper that i wrote with
  1671. 1:09:09nathan cannon
  1672. 1:09:10um using data from benin uh we show
  1673. 1:09:14that if you ban
  1674. 1:09:18one form of capture you can open up
  1675. 1:09:22for another form of capture because for
  1676. 1:09:24instance
  1677. 1:09:25government can try to capture
  1678. 1:09:29true bribing politicians they can also
  1679. 1:09:32capture by bribing bureaucrats
  1680. 1:09:35you know they can take over
  1681. 1:09:39and they can do it for instance um
  1682. 1:09:44with social ties or political ties
  1683. 1:09:48you see what i mean so as a result
  1684. 1:09:52um
  1685. 1:09:53[Music]
  1686. 1:09:57you know i mean maybe i should maybe say
  1687. 1:09:59more about this paper
  1688. 1:10:00so we we find for instance that
  1689. 1:10:04places the way there is more competition
  1690. 1:10:07you know i mean in a strong pecterian
  1691. 1:10:08setting you know competition government
  1692. 1:10:10turnover works
  1693. 1:10:12in terms of promoting and reducing
  1694. 1:10:16political connection okay but we find
  1695. 1:10:19that places
  1696. 1:10:20where you have more competition firms
  1697. 1:10:24work with bureaucrats because
  1698. 1:10:28they're not supposed to be too much
  1699. 1:10:30turnover with bureaucrats
  1700. 1:10:31okay so places where
  1701. 1:10:35you have less competition firm will
  1702. 1:10:38connect with politicians you see what i
  1703. 1:10:41mean
  1704. 1:10:41politicians and this is linked to the
  1705. 1:10:43question that was asked earlier
  1706. 1:10:44you know like if there is turnover in
  1707. 1:10:46government
  1708. 1:10:48all right work with bureaucrats and
  1709. 1:10:50agencies
  1710. 1:10:51that are stable that are not changing
  1711. 1:10:54you know to get your deal done if
  1712. 1:10:58you are there is not competition not
  1713. 1:11:01enough competition
  1714. 1:11:02then work with politicians instead do
  1715. 1:11:05loving politicians
  1716. 1:11:06so we have to be aware that
  1717. 1:11:09um we need a more comprehensive approach
  1718. 1:11:11to reduce political connection
  1719. 1:11:13other than just banning lobbying
  1720. 1:11:15politicians because they
  1721. 1:11:16actually capture bureaucrat as opposed
  1722. 1:11:18to politicians
  1723. 1:11:19okay so um
  1724. 1:11:23anyway now let me you know let me finish
  1725. 1:11:26by
  1726. 1:11:27talking about several policies one is
  1727. 1:11:30transparency
  1728. 1:11:32so we should be talking more about
  1729. 1:11:33transparency in governments not
  1730. 1:11:35necessarily political turnover
  1731. 1:11:37you know because and there are a lot of
  1732. 1:11:39studies and audit
  1733. 1:11:40government contracts and you know work
  1734. 1:11:42in brazil that
  1735. 1:11:43make that point we also want
  1736. 1:11:46civic engagement you know for instance
  1737. 1:11:48it's important that
  1738. 1:11:51citizens demand transparency you know
  1739. 1:11:54it's not just
  1740. 1:11:55it's not enough to get your guy
  1741. 1:11:58elected you know because
  1742. 1:12:01turnover is not enough
  1743. 1:12:04so transparent in government is the key
  1744. 1:12:07you know okay but then
  1745. 1:12:08transparency today is easier than before
  1746. 1:12:11because of technology
  1747. 1:12:12you know digitizing uh or digitizing
  1748. 1:12:15yeah digitizing governance
  1749. 1:12:17you know like make um
  1750. 1:12:20that collections and policy
  1751. 1:12:24implementation
  1752. 1:12:25more transparent with uh digital id
  1753. 1:12:28cards and
  1754. 1:12:29whatever it's something that can show a
  1755. 1:12:32lot of promise
  1756. 1:12:33um you know i think we already talked
  1757. 1:12:36about burning
  1758. 1:12:37regulated regulatory reform and so on
  1759. 1:12:40okay
  1760. 1:12:41before i finish i also need to maybe um
  1761. 1:12:44tell you about corny capitalism
  1762. 1:12:47and so on um particularly in many
  1763. 1:12:51north african and asian countries for
  1764. 1:12:53instance where
  1765. 1:12:54you have a state-run economy led to a
  1766. 1:12:58transition
  1767. 1:12:59to a capitalist system that political
  1768. 1:13:03and military elites
  1769. 1:13:04run the firms run the economy you know
  1770. 1:13:07as a result in that case
  1771. 1:13:10political distortion are structural you
  1772. 1:13:13know they are not something that
  1773. 1:13:14happened
  1774. 1:13:15you know before and after election is
  1775. 1:13:18built in
  1776. 1:13:18it's built in you know and that's the
  1777. 1:13:20case in indonesia
  1778. 1:13:22syria and egypt and so on so it's
  1779. 1:13:24something that i thought
  1780. 1:13:25it's important to distinguish okay so
  1781. 1:13:28okay let me
  1782. 1:13:29let me talk about the future directions
  1783. 1:13:31and again since
  1784. 1:13:32as you can see there is still a lot of
  1785. 1:13:35room
  1786. 1:13:36for major improvement in in the
  1787. 1:13:38literature
  1788. 1:13:40is the need to develop a unified
  1789. 1:13:43and yet flexible endogenous growth model
  1790. 1:13:46with genetic
  1791. 1:13:47generic institutions that's quantifiable
  1792. 1:13:50with new
  1793. 1:13:52with new data that's available you see
  1794. 1:13:54what i mean so
  1795. 1:13:55you see earlier i have three benchmarks
  1796. 1:13:58one
  1797. 1:13:59two three you know one barrel
  1798. 1:14:02two uh three uh
  1799. 1:14:05aguil and whatever so there might be a
  1800. 1:14:08possibility to actually
  1801. 1:14:09do something that cover those three
  1802. 1:14:14and each of them would be like a special
  1803. 1:14:16case
  1804. 1:14:17you know i think that theoretical
  1805. 1:14:19exercise would be very very important
  1806. 1:14:20you know that's what i mean by generate
  1807. 1:14:22genetic institution
  1808. 1:14:24and also flexible okay so
  1809. 1:14:27and that will incorporate future public
  1810. 1:14:29finance control enforcement democratic
  1811. 1:14:30governance
  1812. 1:14:31that's our story separately now but it
  1813. 1:14:33could be integrated in one model
  1814. 1:14:36and um so but you know
  1815. 1:14:39what something important to really
  1816. 1:14:41notice that me too
  1817. 1:14:43we need to be able to characterize the
  1818. 1:14:45socially optimal location of public
  1819. 1:14:46investment more clearly
  1820. 1:14:47you know because how would you know
  1821. 1:14:49distortion if you don't know what
  1822. 1:14:51distortion is from you know but you need
  1823. 1:14:55a model to be able to actually
  1824. 1:14:57uh you know expl be very explicit about
  1825. 1:15:00what it is and you need them
  1826. 1:15:01anyway so that's what the model will do
  1827. 1:15:03and so
  1828. 1:15:04so so far we talked about political uh
  1829. 1:15:07political connection as something
  1830. 1:15:09that's very bad for growth and this runs
  1831. 1:15:12through
  1832. 1:15:13misallocation of um of resources capital
  1833. 1:15:17and labor
  1834. 1:15:18but it could be much deeper than that
  1835. 1:15:20because for instance political
  1836. 1:15:22connection can lead to misallocation of
  1837. 1:15:24talent through aspiration failure i mean
  1838. 1:15:26in a place where you know that
  1839. 1:15:28talent doesn't matter you know
  1840. 1:15:31like you are in environments where
  1841. 1:15:34competency and talent doesn't matter
  1842. 1:15:35in terms of working for governments or
  1843. 1:15:38being successful
  1844. 1:15:39you know this might dampen aspiration
  1845. 1:15:43and further damage the prospect for
  1846. 1:15:46growth
  1847. 1:15:47so political connection is something
  1848. 1:15:48which is
  1849. 1:15:50pernicious deep and can be multi multi
  1850. 1:15:53multi multi-dimensional
  1851. 1:15:55yeah anyway so so uh that that that
  1852. 1:15:58that's it
  1853. 1:15:58and um you know i think we have um uh
  1854. 1:16:02oh 15 minutes four question perfect okay
  1855. 1:16:05thank you very much
  1856. 1:16:08thank you leonard um that's perfect uh
  1857. 1:16:10there's certainly some questions in the
  1858. 1:16:12q a but i wanted to give
  1859. 1:16:13um the people in the front row a chance
  1860. 1:16:16uh
  1861. 1:16:16to ask questions first abhishek i think
  1862. 1:16:19you had a question
  1863. 1:16:20yeah thank you professor uh
  1864. 1:16:23yeah i i would take a cue from the
  1865. 1:16:25burgess at all paper
  1866. 1:16:27and this is related to that and
  1867. 1:16:29obviously they compare
  1868. 1:16:30in the distortions in public investment
  1869. 1:16:33with respect to autocracy versus
  1870. 1:16:35democracy
  1871. 1:16:36yeah is it fair to ask is it fair to ask
  1872. 1:16:40if
  1873. 1:16:40within periods of democracy there exists
  1874. 1:16:44some distortions
  1875. 1:16:45distortions based on the relative
  1876. 1:16:47strength of an ethnic or religious group
  1877. 1:16:50yeah i mean we are not comparing
  1878. 1:16:52opposite autopsy i'm just comparing
  1879. 1:16:54within demon democracy
  1880. 1:16:55yeah if it is fair to ask i mean direct
  1881. 1:16:58me to some say
  1882. 1:16:59empirical evidence for something like
  1883. 1:17:02this
  1884. 1:17:03does empirical evidence exist at all for
  1885. 1:17:05something like this
  1886. 1:17:07yeah i mean you know i mean okay let me
  1887. 1:17:08put this way um
  1888. 1:17:10uh excuse me professor sorry in that
  1889. 1:17:13line too i think i just want to hear the
  1890. 1:17:15question
  1891. 1:17:16are there specific studies that have
  1892. 1:17:17also looked at the
  1893. 1:17:19level of multi ethnicity of many of the
  1894. 1:17:21developing countries with respect to
  1895. 1:17:23to to what we're talking about basically
  1896. 1:17:27because the yeah
  1897. 1:17:30in a particular country you have um uh
  1898. 1:17:35uh political appointments are
  1899. 1:17:36distributed aligned
  1900. 1:17:39along certain um you know
  1901. 1:17:42the multiplicity of uh languages ethnic
  1902. 1:17:46i mean around the nations are there
  1903. 1:17:48specific papers that have also
  1904. 1:17:49controlled for some of these
  1905. 1:17:51yeah to the practice of them yeah so so
  1906. 1:17:53yeah i think okay
  1907. 1:17:54this is sort of a big and broad question
  1908. 1:17:57that it might be
  1909. 1:17:58great to to to to to to cover
  1910. 1:18:01like during the three hours like
  1911. 1:18:03discussion session that we are going to
  1912. 1:18:05have let me say
  1913. 1:18:06two things very quickly so for the first
  1914. 1:18:08question yeah i agree you know i mean
  1915. 1:18:09this is very stylized
  1916. 1:18:12um you know and this is one case you
  1917. 1:18:14know kenya
  1918. 1:18:15you know so um
  1919. 1:18:19and the idea is that democracy is good
  1920. 1:18:20because it
  1921. 1:18:22leads to need to build a multi-ethnic
  1922. 1:18:25coalition to win
  1923. 1:18:27and as usual you have to deliver
  1924. 1:18:28something for the other guys you know
  1925. 1:18:30but then um when
  1926. 1:18:34you even within democracy for instance
  1927. 1:18:37i mean there are some like ethnic
  1928. 1:18:39capital
  1929. 1:18:40that might be explaining the discussion
  1930. 1:18:43that we see
  1931. 1:18:45there might be some the
  1932. 1:18:49incentives some electoral incentives
  1933. 1:18:53that go beyond um
  1934. 1:18:56simply ethnic
  1935. 1:19:00that might be explaining what's
  1936. 1:19:01happening you see what i mean so
  1937. 1:19:03okay just see these papers as a way to
  1938. 1:19:06show that
  1939. 1:19:07distortion do exist you know
  1940. 1:19:10and where they come from uh have they
  1941. 1:19:13been
  1942. 1:19:14exaggerated and so on you know
  1943. 1:19:17did something that need to be studied
  1944. 1:19:19and again
  1945. 1:19:20it come to the question i asked earlier
  1946. 1:19:22which is that i mean okay
  1947. 1:19:24that is the okay what is and actually
  1948. 1:19:26very close to you please
  1949. 1:19:28this is in line with your question so
  1950. 1:19:31what is the baseline what are we
  1951. 1:19:33comparing
  1952. 1:19:34this distortion too explicitly
  1953. 1:19:37you see what i mean wha where okay is
  1954. 1:19:40the deviation from what
  1955. 1:19:42exactly do we have a model of
  1956. 1:19:45how the public the public
  1957. 1:19:49investment should be made take into
  1958. 1:19:51consideration not just
  1959. 1:19:54the market access but many many other
  1960. 1:19:56things
  1961. 1:19:57the ethnic capital whatever it is you
  1962. 1:19:59know
  1963. 1:20:00um the state of the existing i don't
  1964. 1:20:03know so
  1965. 1:20:04i agree with you that more more need to
  1966. 1:20:06be done
  1967. 1:20:07to capture very very very
  1968. 1:20:10you know in depth uh what this this is
  1969. 1:20:14um now about the about the
  1970. 1:20:18ethnic division tragedy literature
  1971. 1:20:22um i think it's a literature that was
  1972. 1:20:25extremely
  1973. 1:20:25popular in the 80s and 90s
  1974. 1:20:29but i think more and more
  1975. 1:20:33okay more and more we are moving towards
  1976. 1:20:39uh political connections more than
  1977. 1:20:42ethnic collection connection per se
  1978. 1:20:44you know like um
  1979. 1:20:47you know like the public good
  1980. 1:20:52a provision is not just driven by the
  1981. 1:20:54fact that people cannot agree
  1982. 1:20:56because they speak very different
  1983. 1:20:58languages you know it's because
  1984. 1:21:00canadians want to win election and they
  1985. 1:21:02know what to do to win elections
  1986. 1:21:04they will know where to invest you see
  1987. 1:21:06what i mean and sometimes they invest
  1988. 1:21:08in places where you have one dominating
  1989. 1:21:12group in other places where
  1990. 1:21:14um you know they they go to a place
  1991. 1:21:17where
  1992. 1:21:18the you know the votes are you know
  1993. 1:21:22so i i think there is less
  1994. 1:21:26focus on ethnic diversity
  1995. 1:21:29today as a problem
  1996. 1:21:32than patronage misallocation
  1997. 1:21:36or distortion in public investment
  1998. 1:21:39driven
  1999. 1:21:40by political incentives
  2000. 1:21:43you know and ethnicity is just part of
  2001. 1:21:45the story but it's not the whole story
  2002. 1:21:47that's for sure you know and um
  2003. 1:21:50i mean and also you know i mean the
  2004. 1:21:51story of ethnicity is
  2005. 1:21:53you know i mean it's so predictable
  2006. 1:21:55right i mean live you know i mean
  2007. 1:21:56if you are we and i co-ethnics i'm going
  2008. 1:21:58to do everything for you
  2009. 1:22:00you know it's not that simple
  2010. 1:22:03you know so so i think yeah it's not
  2011. 1:22:06that simple
  2012. 1:22:06and you know it's so mechanical you know
  2013. 1:22:09so yeah
  2014. 1:22:10so i think i'm not saying that it's
  2015. 1:22:12totally relevant today
  2016. 1:22:14but it's just to be it should be part of
  2017. 1:22:16the how do we see
  2018. 1:22:19political distortion you know and the
  2019. 1:22:21hope
  2020. 1:22:23the hope is that you know
  2021. 1:22:27stories that indicate that by
  2022. 1:22:30burning campaign contribution by making
  2023. 1:22:33government more transparent
  2024. 1:22:35you reduce political discussion you know
  2025. 1:22:38and the evidence to support that
  2026. 1:22:39so something can be done your ethnic
  2027. 1:22:42division
  2028. 1:22:43ethnic diversity hasn't changed and yet
  2029. 1:22:46there are a couple of things you can do
  2030. 1:22:48to reduce political distortion
  2031. 1:22:50you know so and those and those new
  2032. 1:22:52people that i just indicate
  2033. 1:22:53i think play show that you know anyway
  2034. 1:22:56so
  2035. 1:22:58a couple questions from the q a um
  2036. 1:23:02one is um corey vernon
  2037. 1:23:06do we usually think of patronage and
  2038. 1:23:08connections slash state capture
  2039. 1:23:11as distinct or overlapping concepts is
  2040. 1:23:14there a line that separates them
  2041. 1:23:17that's the first question and then
  2042. 1:23:19there's a vitantolio
  2043. 1:23:21vitantonio mariella
  2044. 1:23:26says very nice lecture he says could you
  2045. 1:23:27please say something on the various ways
  2046. 1:23:29to measure political power
  2047. 1:23:31both du jour and de facto apart from
  2048. 1:23:34information on politically connected
  2049. 1:23:36firms
  2050. 1:23:36is there a standard way for example to
  2051. 1:23:38proxy for interests of relevant groups
  2052. 1:23:41high-tech industries or social classes
  2053. 1:23:43for example
  2054. 1:23:45yes so i mean those are fantastic
  2055. 1:23:47questions so
  2056. 1:23:49okay so oh let me put this way
  2057. 1:23:53so patronage and
  2058. 1:23:56state capture okay state capture
  2059. 1:24:00is firms and politicians okay
  2060. 1:24:05all right patronage is
  2061. 1:24:09politicians and bureaucrats
  2062. 1:24:13okay basically the story is that well
  2063. 1:24:17you know like in the u.s this guy
  2064. 1:24:21campaigned for me in arizona i win the
  2065. 1:24:24election
  2066. 1:24:26uh he or she is going to become the
  2067. 1:24:29ambassador
  2068. 1:24:30in china you know so and there is
  2069. 1:24:34a lot of papers that show that this
  2070. 1:24:36patronage appointment do exist
  2071. 1:24:38in in the us okay so at the beginning
  2072. 1:24:41those are two separate kind of concept
  2073. 1:24:43you know poly connection
  2074. 1:24:45like basically it's about inside
  2075. 1:24:49inside connection between a firm and
  2076. 1:24:51politicians and patronage
  2077. 1:24:52is when you win the election would you
  2078. 1:24:54put in power to
  2079. 1:24:56to do your bidding you know okay but now
  2080. 1:24:58they can be connected you know because
  2081. 1:25:00for instance
  2082. 1:25:01what if the patron who the guy who is
  2083. 1:25:05appointed
  2084. 1:25:06is highly recommended by a firm
  2085. 1:25:10you see what i mean like and and this
  2086. 1:25:14is called revolving door
  2087. 1:25:18you see what i mean so yes
  2088. 1:25:21if you patronage and state capture can
  2089. 1:25:25combine
  2090. 1:25:27to be revolving door you know where
  2091. 1:25:30somebody recommended by the firm is
  2092. 1:25:33appointed
  2093. 1:25:34in a government agency
  2094. 1:25:38to work for the firm you know like for
  2095. 1:25:39instance there is a story
  2096. 1:25:41about bullying and this and the the
  2097. 1:25:46uh the department of defense you know
  2098. 1:25:49where
  2099. 1:25:50where um you know some people say that
  2100. 1:25:53when the ethiopian airlines had an
  2101. 1:25:55accident
  2102. 1:25:56the government didn't reply very very
  2103. 1:25:58quickly because
  2104. 1:26:00boeing is highly connected to
  2105. 1:26:03the transportation agency
  2106. 1:26:07you know so this thing happened
  2107. 1:26:09everywhere you know so
  2108. 1:26:10yeah yes um um
  2109. 1:26:14they are separate to begin but then
  2110. 1:26:16there are ways
  2111. 1:26:17they can combine that that makes it even
  2112. 1:26:20more more pernicious and you know so
  2113. 1:26:24and then about um the power
  2114. 1:26:28measuring power de facto and uh you know
  2115. 1:26:31it's it's a very
  2116. 1:26:32it's a very kind of um promising
  2117. 1:26:36literature
  2118. 1:26:37um you know so far it's uh de facto and
  2119. 1:26:41it's very historical which is great it's
  2120. 1:26:44also very macro
  2121. 1:26:46so yeah i think in the future i will see
  2122. 1:26:49like development in that area as well
  2123. 1:26:51you know where for instance
  2124. 1:26:54um you know the
  2125. 1:26:58influence is measured
  2126. 1:27:02economically you know but it could also
  2127. 1:27:05be measured politically
  2128. 1:27:07you know um and uh
  2129. 1:27:10and sometimes influence can be measured
  2130. 1:27:14formally you know in a sense like you
  2131. 1:27:16know you get appointed
  2132. 1:27:19um so and so it could also be
  2133. 1:27:23and measured informally you know like
  2134. 1:27:26for instance after all
  2135. 1:27:27density opinion in china was not the
  2136. 1:27:29president was not
  2137. 1:27:31even the prime minister and yet he was
  2138. 1:27:34the most powerful
  2139. 1:27:35politician uh post mao in in china
  2140. 1:27:39i mean like you know everyone else is
  2141. 1:27:42just
  2142. 1:27:42a figurehead you know so so what i'm
  2143. 1:27:45saying
  2144. 1:27:45yeah it's it's important to actually uh
  2145. 1:27:48document preferences of individuals
  2146. 1:27:52and see whose preferences matter the
  2147. 1:27:57most
  2148. 1:27:58and when and be able to distinguish
  2149. 1:28:01uh to be yeah those clearly it's
  2150. 1:28:03something that can be done and it just
  2151. 1:28:05confirmed
  2152. 1:28:06that there's still so much so much so
  2153. 1:28:08much to be done
  2154. 1:28:09in that area and again what is
  2155. 1:28:11interesting is that
  2156. 1:28:14the literature is becoming increasingly
  2157. 1:28:15micro
  2158. 1:28:17and there are data available you know
  2159. 1:28:19historical archives and all this kind of
  2160. 1:28:20stuff
  2161. 1:28:21and there are a lot of contributions
  2162. 1:28:23that can be made you know you take a
  2163. 1:28:24simple glue and robinson's work
  2164. 1:28:26or other work for instance by you know
  2165. 1:28:28my other
  2166. 1:28:30kind of major
  2167. 1:28:34mostly macro major figure in particular
  2168. 1:28:36development very macro but you take it
  2169. 1:28:38with data
  2170. 1:28:39take it too far you take into specific
  2171. 1:28:41governments you know
  2172. 1:28:42um and you apply those concepts to real
  2173. 1:28:47you know kind of government and agencies
  2174. 1:28:50in specific uh you know area
  2175. 1:28:53you know or error you know like the work
  2176. 1:28:55that um
  2177. 1:28:56uh goku has done for british empire
  2178. 1:29:00you know so anyway so i'm not sure if
  2179. 1:29:03it's answering a question but
  2180. 1:29:04you know we can we can we can follow up
  2181. 1:29:06on this you know during
  2182. 1:29:07um the office hours or during the
  2183. 1:29:10discussion session next week
  2184. 1:29:13let me give you three last questions
  2185. 1:29:15which we're really out of time so you
  2186. 1:29:16can decide how to
  2187. 1:29:18whether and how to answer the three but
  2188. 1:29:19i just want to
  2189. 1:29:21give you them um the first is uh
  2190. 1:29:24ismail sinusi uh
  2191. 1:29:27asking about the optimal level of
  2192. 1:29:29government involvement
  2193. 1:29:30yeah he said one wondering if government
  2194. 1:29:33input could lead to higher or lower
  2195. 1:29:34transaction costs and whether
  2196. 1:29:36less of such input is preferred to more
  2197. 1:29:39then that's the first one the second is
  2198. 1:29:43just have a first name emanuel
  2199. 1:29:46well it's a specific question the
  2200. 1:29:48government of uganda
  2201. 1:29:50promotes oil palm production in uganda
  2202. 1:29:52and uses ppp approach
  2203. 1:29:55contracts a private player to offer
  2204. 1:29:57inputs subsidizes and then farmers will
  2205. 1:29:59help this private company
  2206. 1:30:01we think that such strategy will create
  2207. 1:30:02distortions that farmers might end up
  2208. 1:30:04losing
  2209. 1:30:05how can the effectiveness of this ppp
  2210. 1:30:08contract and subsidies be studied
  2211. 1:30:11and then the third question is swati
  2212. 1:30:13jain
  2213. 1:30:14i want to understand why the assumption
  2214. 1:30:16of rational decision maker
  2215. 1:30:18is not applicable for governments as
  2216. 1:30:19economic agents
  2217. 1:30:21does be behaving rationally increase
  2218. 1:30:24their payoff
  2219. 1:30:27great so those are all great questions
  2220. 1:30:29so um
  2221. 1:30:31you know again i will be so one thing i
  2222. 1:30:34would suggest
  2223. 1:30:34is i'm sure this is done already i copy
  2224. 1:30:37those questions
  2225. 1:30:38and send it so that i can think about it
  2226. 1:30:41and answer them
  2227. 1:30:42even and individually so yeah i mean
  2228. 1:30:46okay the macro perspective on
  2229. 1:30:48governments
  2230. 1:30:49was like well you know what like
  2231. 1:30:51government is god
  2232. 1:30:53and then information friction blah blah
  2233. 1:30:55blah leads to government to do things
  2234. 1:30:57not properly
  2235. 1:30:58okay i think we passed that a little bit
  2236. 1:31:00so
  2237. 1:31:01now it's about recognizing
  2238. 1:31:05what resources of those destruction and
  2239. 1:31:07think of institutions that will help
  2240. 1:31:08reduce them
  2241. 1:31:09you know so so i think
  2242. 1:31:13i think we should move okay we should
  2243. 1:31:15recognize that there is no
  2244. 1:31:18perfect government to begin with we can
  2245. 1:31:20have a benchmark you have a starting
  2246. 1:31:22point but probably going doesn't exist
  2247. 1:31:24every government is the deviation what
  2248. 1:31:26is ought to be now we need to think
  2249. 1:31:28about institutions to help solve
  2250. 1:31:30the problem that they create that's
  2251. 1:31:32becoming a mechanical design problem
  2252. 1:31:34roger meyerson is is big on
  2253. 1:31:37on on this and then you know like
  2254. 1:31:40example of ppp
  2255. 1:31:42you know like how do you minimize
  2256. 1:31:45political distortion especially state
  2257. 1:31:47capture by designing
  2258. 1:31:49private private public partnerships
  2259. 1:31:51properly
  2260. 1:31:52what do you do when you have natural
  2261. 1:31:55resources
  2262. 1:31:56blah blah blah you know i mean so all
  2263. 1:31:59those are problems that's
  2264. 1:32:00that were raised and i think the issue
  2265. 1:32:04is always to measure distortion that
  2266. 1:32:07come
  2267. 1:32:07from this environment to the best you
  2268. 1:32:10can
  2269. 1:32:10and then think creatively about how to
  2270. 1:32:13solve it but again
  2271. 1:32:15something which is clear is that by
  2272. 1:32:17having more
  2273. 1:32:18transparency by
  2274. 1:32:22um by having more transparency um
  2275. 1:32:26you know you will reduce political
  2276. 1:32:29distortion
  2277. 1:32:30but again you need to have a benchmark
  2278. 1:32:33you know
  2279. 1:32:33of what
  2280. 1:32:35[Music]
  2281. 1:32:36how do you actually measure distortion
  2282. 1:32:38from one specific
  2283. 1:32:40i mean from from what is the optimal
  2284. 1:32:43government
  2285. 1:32:44action that you are considering yeah
  2286. 1:32:46thank you very much
  2287. 1:32:47leonard um why don't the front row uh
  2288. 1:32:49unmute
  2289. 1:32:50and uh we'll give uh professor watchcon
  2290. 1:32:52a round of applause applause
  2291. 1:32:54thank you thank you thank you thank you
  2292. 1:32:57that was such a pleasure so
  2293. 1:32:59i'll see hopefully i see many of you
  2294. 1:33:01next week yeah
  2295. 1:33:02and tomorrow we have uh peak clean out
  2296. 1:33:05at the same time
  2297. 1:33:06um tomorrow um so
  2298. 1:33:10uh we look forward to seeing uh many of
  2299. 1:33:12you there as well
  2300. 1:33:13okay thank you bye-bye thank you bye-bye
  2301. 1:33:16bye-bye
  2302. 1:33:16i should thank mandy chan as well
  2303. 1:33:20i apologize kirstie and everyone else at
  2304. 1:33:23cpr thank you so much for your time as
  2305. 1:33:25well
  2306. 1:33:25thank you

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