Supplemental lecture: Political Institutions and development — Transcript
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- 0:01welcome back to
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- 0:44today we have leonard wanchakun who will
- 0:47be
- 0:47talking about political
- 0:50economy political distortions and
- 0:53their relationship to structural uh
- 0:56their relation to economic development
- 0:59um we're thankful for leonard uh
- 1:02as i've mentioned many times these
- 1:04lecturers are doing this all out of the
- 1:06goodness of their heart
- 1:08let me tell you a little bit about the
- 1:09ground rules remind you the ground rules
- 1:11again
- 1:12while people are flooding in um
- 1:16the front row you can
- 1:19unmute if you have a clarifying question
- 1:21during the talk
- 1:23uh leonard will give some time at the
- 1:24end for you know broader questions
- 1:27but if there's some clarifying question
- 1:28please unmute uh otherwise leave your
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- 1:33those who are not panelists who are just
- 1:36participants in the webinar
- 1:38can ask questions in the q a i will do
- 1:41my best to try to answer what i can
- 1:43although this is not my area of
- 1:45expertise so i'm a little bit less
- 1:46confident than i've been in previous
- 1:48lectures
- 1:49and doug is not here to help me if we
- 1:51can't get
- 1:52questions answered we may try to leave
- 1:54those for leonard
- 1:55uh during the q a time
- 1:58[Music]
- 2:00and the lectures the slides themselves
- 2:04are available at the course website
- 2:07and with that um let me uh
- 2:10hand things over to leonard yeah thanks
- 2:14joe
- 2:14thanks uh cpr for for the opportunity
- 2:19um you know i'm extremely um
- 2:22actually very grateful that i'm i'm
- 2:24given the platform
- 2:27to talk about this topic um
- 2:31so before before i start
- 2:34let me just tell you that studying
- 2:37political mechanism
- 2:39in economic development was my original
- 2:40interest so
- 2:42um so very very glad to have to come
- 2:45back to
- 2:47what i have always been interested in
- 2:49doing so
- 2:50um i'm going to start
- 2:54sharing my screen um
- 2:57immediately so the talk uh will be
- 3:00structured this way first of all i'm
- 3:03going to
- 3:04introduce the lecture
- 3:07by referring mostly to past lectures and
- 3:11how
- 3:13our discussion here will
- 3:16link to what had been covered earlier
- 3:20and then i'll move to some theoretical
- 3:23background which is important because
- 3:27we need to sort of set some
- 3:30benchmark uh benchmark model
- 3:34to really understand the role of
- 3:37political institutions
- 3:39and political distortion on economic
- 3:41development
- 3:42now later on i'm going to cover
- 3:47like three type of follicle distortion
- 3:51uh departure from the
- 3:55benchmark model that we are going to be
- 3:57covering
- 3:59one has to do with distortion of public
- 4:02investment
- 4:04that's usually called patronage
- 4:08distortion of human resources
- 4:11in governments other type of
- 4:15targeted retribution which is distortion
- 4:18of
- 4:18all the type of public goods that the
- 4:20government might provide
- 4:23so and then following that we're going
- 4:25to talk about contract enforcement which
- 4:27is
- 4:28maybe the core components of political
- 4:31institutions because it has to do with
- 4:33property rights to have to do with law
- 4:34enforcement and so on
- 4:36um and then the third type of political
- 4:40distortion would be
- 4:41state capture you know like a
- 4:43relationship between firms
- 4:45and politicians so
- 4:48um to basically uh
- 4:52explain the mechanism through which
- 4:55those distortions take place especially
- 4:58the last one which is uh
- 5:00state capture uh basically
- 5:03we are going to have
- 5:06discuss we have to talk about lobbying
- 5:08you know for instance how
- 5:10lobbying by firm might lead to
- 5:12[Music]
- 5:14like create connections that might
- 5:20create political distortion of the third
- 5:21type
- 5:23later on i'm going to basically
- 5:28provide a remark on elite capture or
- 5:32create capitalism
- 5:33which is basically perceived
- 5:36as structural political destruction like
- 5:39when
- 5:40um political distortion is very much
- 5:42embedded
- 5:43it's very much into the structure of the
- 5:45way
- 5:46of the economy work and and uh
- 5:49and then talk about future directions i
- 5:50mean the the reason why this um
- 5:53i'm going in the lecture is that because
- 5:55there is so much left to be done
- 5:57you know there is a very important
- 6:00interesting topic but it's a bits all
- 6:03over the places so
- 6:04i think it's important that we
- 6:06understand
- 6:09how this literature can be put can be
- 6:12pushed forward
- 6:13okay so that's basically the wrong mark
- 6:16now as your introduction so
- 6:18let me remind you you know what you
- 6:19already know which is that um
- 6:22difference in living standard across
- 6:23countries are linked to growth
- 6:26driven by productivity gap and
- 6:29misallocation
- 6:31and that total factor productivity
- 6:35account for much of these disparities
- 6:38much of this gap
- 6:40you know i mean disparity in capital
- 6:41labor i come from mostly at most 50
- 6:44of differences in income per capita
- 6:47so okay so far the focus has been on
- 6:50market sources of differential and
- 6:52productivity
- 6:53you know like for instance mark a great
- 6:56lecture
- 6:56like two maybe a week ago or two weeks
- 6:59ago
- 7:00provide detail on labor market frictions
- 7:03and the effect on development
- 7:04he talked about frictions in
- 7:06agricultural market
- 7:08authentic firms differences in hiring
- 7:10costs across farm and technology
- 7:12adoption
- 7:14and but it is in this section so
- 7:17what we are interested in is not the
- 7:19market mechanism but the political
- 7:21mechanism
- 7:22for political distortions and
- 7:25particularly
- 7:26the effects on human capital formation
- 7:28and innovation
- 7:30on capital investment and on
- 7:34special friction for instance and
- 7:37misallocation
- 7:40and you know you know
- 7:43last lecture by uh roger i mean by
- 7:46richard i'm sorry
- 7:47rogerson um and actually the first
- 7:50lecture he
- 7:51uh explicitly incorporated uh um you
- 7:55know
- 7:56differences in one sector group model
- 8:00and a heart it
- 8:03is the relative position of a country in
- 8:06technological from the technological
- 8:08frontier
- 8:09and mentioned in passing that this
- 8:12can be affected by country-specific
- 8:15policies and institutions
- 8:17and you know i mean like foreign
- 8:19institutions might affect
- 8:21the level of capital through
- 8:25infrastructure investment um
- 8:28you know you might make more
- 8:29international investment you might may
- 8:31you might invest more in capital for
- 8:33instance
- 8:34if um you know you the government
- 8:37provided
- 8:38energy or provided roads you know that
- 8:40makes uh that improve
- 8:42the productivity of your capital
- 8:43investment and it could also be
- 8:46through subsidizing public education for
- 8:48instance you know
- 8:49that will affect l so one of the
- 8:53one of the key i mean one of the key
- 8:55areas that
- 8:56the roger in his paper with restitution
- 9:00rogerson and people restructure covered
- 9:03is uh you know how the allocation of
- 9:06resources across
- 9:07for instance iteration plans how
- 9:09important they are
- 9:10to explain cross-country differences
- 9:14and the fact that taxes and subsidies
- 9:18for instance
- 9:20can create uh in fact misallocation
- 9:26and um and now now
- 9:29the the the natural you know the natural
- 9:32question
- 9:33uh from that that setup
- 9:36would be where those where do where
- 9:39where does thai tau i come from so it
- 9:43could be correlated for instance with
- 9:44firms
- 9:45political connections you know like for
- 9:46instance some firms
- 9:48benefited benefit from higher from lower
- 9:51tax rate than others
- 9:53because they basically either pay bribe
- 9:55to politicians or
- 9:57they they make campaign contribution to
- 9:59the politicians so
- 10:01so political connection for instance as
- 10:03we'll see later on
- 10:04my my drive means allocation and and and
- 10:08and growth rate in a very very
- 10:10fundamental way
- 10:12okay so now since this paper i mean this
- 10:15lecture is about political institutions
- 10:17so uh what are the what happened what do
- 10:20you what do we mean by political
- 10:21institutions
- 10:22or institutions in general so um
- 10:26it's probably one of the most
- 10:30one of the broadest concepts in all
- 10:32social science
- 10:33uh because the terms uh
- 10:36institutions are basically you know
- 10:40all over the places you know so uh but
- 10:42then
- 10:43let's focus on four that i think i'm
- 10:48quite you know uh insightful
- 10:51so you have dognoff a definition which
- 10:54uh focus on you know
- 10:58rules of the game you know
- 11:01which is like constraints that shape
- 11:03human interactions
- 11:06so myosin you know jameson
- 11:09consider those rules more like an
- 11:12incentive systems
- 11:14that shape political decisions and
- 11:17decides
- 11:19which strategies are followed
- 11:22or not you know i assimilate focus on uh
- 11:26robinson johnson robinson focused on
- 11:28property rights and contract enforcement
- 11:30now um
- 11:32[Music]
- 11:34eczewowski you know a political
- 11:36economist from nyu
- 11:38uh focus more on
- 11:42what political actors
- 11:46or social actors are not
- 11:50allowed to do you know like the checking
- 11:52balances
- 11:53that prevents um
- 11:56you know basically uh uh key
- 12:00political actors to um to
- 12:04you know to to violent
- 12:07that not to violate norms of
- 12:11of ecosystem particularly democratic
- 12:13system
- 12:14so now for the purpose of this lecture
- 12:18i will just in a nutshell
- 12:22consider institutions at
- 12:25three things they are mechanism
- 12:29for making policy decisions basically
- 12:33it's a technology it's governments
- 12:36that make policy decisions that's that's
- 12:39what it is
- 12:41so it's an organization a government
- 12:43organization
- 12:44the second is institutions
- 12:47is about contract enforcement mechanism
- 12:50okay and the third is a mechanism for
- 12:53selecting
- 12:54public office holders so as a result
- 12:57institutions is institutional
- 13:01make rules you know decides
- 13:04you know public policy and false
- 13:08rules and uh a way to decide
- 13:11who make rules you know so and those are
- 13:15really different um uh set of
- 13:18um mechanism so not surprisingly
- 13:23the model that capture the effect of
- 13:25institutions on economic development
- 13:28will vary depending on whether
- 13:31you are talking about the first the
- 13:33second
- 13:34and the third mechanism you know so
- 13:38it's always important when you want to
- 13:41link
- 13:41up institutions to development
- 13:44that you refer to the make
- 13:48to one or the other mechanism described
- 13:51here
- 13:51okay so so that's exactly what we are
- 13:55going to do we are going to
- 13:57to to sort of uh go over
- 14:00some benchmark growth model that
- 14:03capture specific aspects of what we mean
- 14:06by
- 14:07institutions so for instance the first
- 14:10one
- 14:11government government policy
- 14:14public investment that affect growth
- 14:18so that's barrow 1990
- 14:21and also barrow and sari martin
- 14:261994 or maybe later i forgot the dates
- 14:30and then the second one the control
- 14:32enforcement we are going to cover
- 14:34agia and amador's paper
- 14:37where you know um you have weak
- 14:41basically enforcement of the rules
- 14:44and then in terms of how
- 14:48the the way political selection
- 14:52affect particularly innovation
- 14:57and productivity so we are going to
- 15:00cover the strong paterian
- 15:01model that aguero and al and asimo blue
- 15:04and now has
- 15:06developed in several papers so and then
- 15:08so this is the benchmark
- 15:10you know so um and the most the most
- 15:13crude and the most basic model of
- 15:16government and political institutions
- 15:18will be the first one you know the
- 15:19barrels model and then the other one
- 15:21will be some extensions or
- 15:25way to expand and to deepen
- 15:28uh you know barrow 1990 and 94.
- 15:32so and having done that then what we are
- 15:36going to do
- 15:36is to present departure from this man
- 15:38landmark you know
- 15:40any any um
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- 15:43institutional effects or institutional
- 15:46features
- 15:47that depart from those benchmark model
- 15:49it's what we are going to call
- 15:50political political distortion so and
- 15:53this is really really
- 15:54important because you know
- 15:57when we want to evaluate for instance
- 16:00institutions
- 16:01it has to be in relationship
- 16:04with a benchmark you know we have an
- 16:08idea
- 16:09of an optimal government
- 16:12or optimal government allocation of
- 16:14actions or policies
- 16:17that you know either because you know
- 16:20the government in maximizing
- 16:22uh social welfare or maximizing um the
- 16:25utility function of representative
- 16:27agents that represent the interest of
- 16:30the country
- 16:32and anything that departs
- 16:35from the prediction of this basic model
- 16:39will be considered political distortion
- 16:41you know would be
- 16:42and i think it's interesting because it
- 16:44helped
- 16:46get some parallel between the way we
- 16:48look at institutions
- 16:51um you know about political institutions
- 16:54um between that and the way we look at
- 16:56economic institutions
- 16:58you know anyway so so i think it's
- 17:00that's very very important
- 17:01okay now and then later on we are going
- 17:04to document how institutions
- 17:07lead to um you know political distortion
- 17:10um you know by looking at particularly
- 17:13public investment and patronage
- 17:15and looking at political connection and
- 17:16state capture and
- 17:18lobbying and misallocation so there are
- 17:20a large number of papers
- 17:22i'm pretty sure that we don't have time
- 17:23to cover all of them that's why
- 17:25you know i i mean and purposely
- 17:28you know i made the the slide
- 17:32very very long so that you can actually
- 17:34look at those paper yourself
- 17:35or come to the office hours next week so
- 17:38that we can go over them with more
- 17:39details okay
- 17:41so so let me then briefly uh cover
- 17:45the benchmark model so basically it's a
- 17:47under your model that include public
- 17:49services
- 17:50you know as a productive input and
- 17:53that's productive input
- 17:55um can be a publicly provided public
- 17:59goods
- 17:59that are rival or equitable it can be
- 18:02also
- 18:03publicly provided public good which are
- 18:04non-rival non-excludable
- 18:06it could also be um publicly provided
- 18:09goods
- 18:10that are that are consent that that's
- 18:12subject to congestion
- 18:14you know um so that highway
- 18:17water sewage is for instance so so
- 18:20basically
- 18:21uh here the government is more like a
- 18:23technology
- 18:24it's basically like a technology and um
- 18:30and um and as i said earlier on
- 18:33you know the government's role is to to
- 18:35maximize the utility functionality of
- 18:37households and there are
- 18:40a number of uh producers
- 18:44there is you have the capital and you
- 18:46have government spending
- 18:48as key input and they aggregate to
- 18:51capital g
- 18:53and and now the key is that government
- 18:55finance is spending
- 18:56their taxes so and then they look at uh
- 19:00several scenarios you know one
- 19:04is for instance this one you know where
- 19:07as you see the government spending
- 19:09coming
- 19:10as a private private like maybe
- 19:13a private private input publicly
- 19:15provided private input
- 19:17and and then you see that uh you know
- 19:21financed by by
- 19:24by taxes and and then
- 19:27you know derive
- 19:30equilibrium and show that in in this
- 19:34model
- 19:35only unless tax is long some
- 19:40it's it's distortionary you know
- 19:43okay so the the the government's
- 19:47action create distortion in the economy
- 19:51um because unless
- 19:54you know unless uh the tax rate is lump
- 19:57sum so that's one result
- 19:59the second one is the publicly provided
- 20:01public goods
- 20:02it's in that case you have
- 20:05capital g which enter the utility
- 20:07function of each
- 20:09producer and in that case the results
- 20:12are i mean the result is the same as
- 20:14before
- 20:15but when you have conjecture you know
- 20:18when for instance
- 20:19why um you know
- 20:22government uh government expenditure
- 20:25enter
- 20:25like this the conjunction the congestion
- 20:29variable is measured by this then
- 20:32the conclusion is that uh tax
- 20:37are not are not necessarily this
- 20:40decisionary
- 20:41and they are desirable you know so so
- 20:44that's basically
- 20:45the the minute but what we need to
- 20:47really retain
- 20:48what we need to remember from this
- 20:50exercise
- 20:52is the role of governments which is a
- 20:53technology
- 20:55and then um the fact that um
- 20:59um you know the the the the
- 21:02the fact that tax creates a wedge
- 21:06and if this it's decisionary unless for
- 21:08instance
- 21:09um you know what's being provided is um
- 21:13you know the public good provided is uh
- 21:17his projection okay so that's uh
- 21:20that's roughly about um uh
- 21:24barrow's uh setup now assume for
- 21:27instance
- 21:28that um you don't have the government's
- 21:33is not one
- 21:36kind i mean the government is uh has
- 21:40is divided you know that you have um
- 21:43someone in power someone outside of
- 21:45power waiting to get into
- 21:47um into power i mean into into
- 21:50government
- 21:50and that those in power cannot commit
- 21:54uh they cannot commit not to appropriate
- 21:56you know private producers
- 21:58and they also cannot commit not to
- 22:01default
- 22:02on on their death and it has some
- 22:05it is also assumed that they overvalue
- 22:07present consumptions
- 22:09being being power for instance it's
- 22:11something
- 22:12which is uh you know which uh
- 22:15give whomever in power some kind of uh
- 22:18present or some kind of
- 22:22bias towards current
- 22:25and in that setup with limited
- 22:28commitments
- 22:30and they show that political
- 22:33disagreement
- 22:34which is the gap in the in
- 22:37the gap in payoff between
- 22:41those in power and those who are out of
- 22:43power you know the
- 22:44level of polarization between
- 22:48um those who are currently in power and
- 22:51those who are not
- 22:52the more disagreement with the bigger is
- 22:56the
- 22:57degree of polarization between between
- 23:00them
- 23:00measured by a parameter
- 23:06data the
- 23:09growth will be slower you know so
- 23:11basically in this building setup
- 23:13they show how those in power have
- 23:17trouble committing to do the right thing
- 23:20and that ones that not doing the
- 23:24being power is highly rewarded rewarded
- 23:28compared to not being power then
- 23:31what's going to happen then is growth
- 23:33the speed of convergence instead it is
- 23:37i mean the set of convergence will be
- 23:39will be
- 23:40would be slower okay so that's basically
- 23:43how
- 23:45um you know how um like
- 23:48uh you know political competition
- 23:52and polarization for instance can play a
- 23:55role
- 23:56in slowing down growth rate
- 24:00especially in environments where you
- 24:02know
- 24:03those in power cannot commit not to
- 24:06appropriate
- 24:07and not to increase death okay
- 24:11now one of the most influential
- 24:14um political economy uh studies that
- 24:17link
- 24:18um basically political institutions to
- 24:21to
- 24:21to development with the schumpeterian
- 24:23criterion model
- 24:25that asks a very basic question which is
- 24:28you know
- 24:28is does democracy enhance or hamper
- 24:32growth there are theories showing it
- 24:35does because
- 24:36there is greater greater pressure for
- 24:38redistribution
- 24:40and you want to reduce a bit to get
- 24:41elected as a result this
- 24:43create incentive this disincentive for
- 24:46capital formation
- 24:48other talk about democracy
- 24:51can increase you know growth
- 24:54because it protects property rights
- 24:58and and lower the ability
- 25:01of incumbent to block new entrants and
- 25:04as a result
- 25:05uh to block innovation so that those are
- 25:08the two
- 25:08trends and and uh schumpeter's superior
- 25:11model focused more on the
- 25:13on the ladder you know on um the
- 25:17you know basically how democracy can
- 25:21can help and can promote uh innovation
- 25:24and growth
- 25:26and but then um in the model innovation
- 25:29and growth
- 25:30are promoted in countries
- 25:34closer to the technology frontier so
- 25:38countries at the technology configure
- 25:41like very very developed
- 25:42countries for instance in those
- 25:43countries then
- 25:45um democracy will be
- 25:49um will promote innovation
- 25:52and growth um and
- 25:56the the the model is very very stylized
- 25:59you know
- 25:59so we assume that you know output depend
- 26:02on technology
- 26:04and there are advanced sectors
- 26:07there are also backward sectors where
- 26:10you know the technology from yesterday
- 26:11is the
- 26:12technology today and then in each sector
- 26:15you have one incumbent and one potential
- 26:18entrance
- 26:20and and then we assume that only the
- 26:22potential
- 26:23entrant innovates
- 26:26but then before production potential
- 26:29entrant has to invest in ind
- 26:32in order to replace the incumbent and
- 26:35if successful productivity increased by
- 26:38this factor
- 26:40and then this will make the new entrance
- 26:41monopolist
- 26:43otherwise the current incumbent remain
- 26:46and
- 26:47you know things remain kind of
- 26:50backward if you will okay so
- 26:53now the the way democracy is introduced
- 26:56is simply through the probability
- 27:00that a successful innovation will lead
- 27:02to successful entry
- 27:04you know democracy is just the
- 27:06probability
- 27:08that um a new entrant
- 27:11will be able i mean a new firm
- 27:15innovative firm would be able to enter
- 27:18um you know uh the market so it's a it's
- 27:20a
- 27:22the assumption that's made here is that
- 27:23there is very very tight connection
- 27:26between the governments and um
- 27:29and the incumbent firms between
- 27:32incumbents in government
- 27:33and incumbent firms so and
- 27:36uh and as a result uh the the fortune
- 27:41of the new entrant is tied to the
- 27:44probability
- 27:45that i depend very heavily on the
- 27:48probability
- 27:49that whomever is in power can be
- 27:51replaced
- 27:52so so the key aspect of democracy here
- 27:55is the ability that it gives to an
- 27:58entrant
- 27:58politicians or firms to enter the market
- 28:02you know so if the potential
- 28:05entrant um you know as i said uh
- 28:09earlier they spend this
- 28:12much they can innovate with this
- 28:16probability
- 28:17so as a result the joint probability of
- 28:19an unblock entry is given by this
- 28:22so very stylized this is the the
- 28:25maximization problem
- 28:26the benefit and the cost and this is
- 28:28monopoly profit
- 28:30and in equilibrium this is what's
- 28:32happened and then you can see
- 28:34that you know the innovation effort is
- 28:36increasing
- 28:37in level of democracy and profit
- 28:40decreasing
- 28:40in rd cost okay so
- 28:44now if you look at the average uh level
- 28:46of productivity in the economy
- 28:48based on this it looked like
- 28:51this so which means that
- 28:55you know this term the aggregate product
- 28:58the average productivity growth
- 29:00in the economy is increasing level of
- 29:02democracy
- 29:03and democracy is more enhancing
- 29:07uh in in in frontier
- 29:10uh you know
- 29:13when uh when the country is close to the
- 29:16frontier and
- 29:17and uh aguila alessina and trevi has uh
- 29:20provided
- 29:21uh cross-country empirical evidence on
- 29:23this
- 29:24um that you know we can cover later on
- 29:27okay
- 29:27so this is um so so that's about
- 29:31one version of uh the schumacherian
- 29:35growth if you will but then another
- 29:38version or another extension
- 29:40of the original model is by asia can i
- 29:43ask something
- 29:44yes go ahead please uh maybe i missed uh
- 29:46missed it but uh in
- 29:48in the assumptions we made does it not
- 29:50mean that
- 29:51every time there are like uh elections
- 29:54the government will change
- 29:55because innovation comes only if uh the
- 29:58government changes
- 30:00or is there something which which will
- 30:01ensure that is there a cost as well
- 30:05so so with okay um
- 30:09maybe ask your question again i'm i'm
- 30:11not sure if i how you understand it
- 30:13properly go ahead
- 30:14uh in the assumptions that we made uh
- 30:16before this
- 30:17yeah i was just wondering that uh
- 30:19because only if the government changes
- 30:21is their
- 30:22uh innovation so is there anything which
- 30:25ensures that
- 30:27something like a cost which ensures that
- 30:29there's a possibility that the
- 30:30government does not change
- 30:32that's a very that's a very very good
- 30:34question so first of all um
- 30:36here it's not necessary okay let me put
- 30:38this way
- 30:39is the possibility that the government
- 30:42will change
- 30:43that help discipline
- 30:46the incumbent you know so in actuality
- 30:50it might be the case that the government
- 30:51stay
- 30:52but the fact that they
- 30:56they um you know that they
- 31:00that they are threatened exit
- 31:03to to exit my discipline then
- 31:06not to block technological change
- 31:10but empirically the evidence
- 31:13show is that when
- 31:16incumbent does lose election
- 31:19you know when the possibility exists
- 31:22that incumbent does lose
- 31:24power and election when political
- 31:27competition
- 31:28is is real then you have more
- 31:32innovation at the top at the frontier
- 31:34you see what i mean
- 31:35so the point here you can make the case
- 31:37that actual turnover in government
- 31:39help produce productivity and help
- 31:42innovation
- 31:44but but even
- 31:47but perhaps i don't know this was shown
- 31:49explicitly
- 31:50in in in in this is shown empirically
- 31:55but the threats to lose election
- 31:58might also create um
- 32:01incentives for innovation
- 32:06you know because the incumbent has some
- 32:08protection
- 32:09okay so okay uh sir excuse me
- 32:13yeah okay uh leona um is that not
- 32:16also important that we have
- 32:20the right definition of democracy in
- 32:22this regard because the assumption for
- 32:24me it's uh
- 32:25it's too broad some might argue that
- 32:29political distortion i mean
- 32:32instability in government or possibility
- 32:35of government changing could also in the
- 32:37investment
- 32:38in that regard so i think i would want a
- 32:41what
- 32:41in what regard i mean what is the
- 32:43population of democracy in this case is
- 32:44it yeah yeah
- 32:45okay democracy
- 32:48i understand the question so okay let's
- 32:50distinguish between
- 32:52uh states and government okay okay
- 32:56okay if states are strong
- 33:00and stable meaning there are rules
- 33:05governing the way investment should be
- 33:08made
- 33:09public goods should be distributed and
- 33:11those rules are applied
- 33:13regardless who is in power there is no
- 33:16reason why
- 33:17they should deter investment okay okay
- 33:20that states state stability and
- 33:24state capacity okay but then you know
- 33:28for instance
- 33:28i agree with you that whenever you have
- 33:31a situation where
- 33:33governments turn over weaken
- 33:36states in if
- 33:40you know from the city government
- 33:42turnover for instance can deter
- 33:44investment
- 33:45you know so for instance there are many
- 33:46stories showing for instance that a
- 33:49local level
- 33:51when mayors lose election
- 33:54um it has bad impact it has low
- 33:57it has a negative impact on learning
- 34:00outcome at school
- 34:02because when a mayor leaves the new
- 34:05the new one come fire everyone else
- 34:08come with a new staff
- 34:12and it's back to square one you see what
- 34:14i mean so
- 34:15so so i think the point you are making
- 34:17is a very valid one we have to make sure
- 34:20that the the stability that the states
- 34:25remain stable in spite of its bias
- 34:29of government turnover exactly this map
- 34:34that's a very very important point so
- 34:36yeah anyway
- 34:37thank you um and so so yeah and then um
- 34:41i see morgan robinson for instance i
- 34:43mentioned earlier they looked at
- 34:45how incumbent can block technological
- 34:48change
- 34:49uh because uh innovation will reduce
- 34:53uh their power you know basically they
- 34:55are too channeled here
- 34:56one channel is that one channel where
- 34:59this happens
- 35:00is that the firms and the government
- 35:03are so tight that when
- 35:07the firm when the government leaves
- 35:11the firms is weakened and
- 35:15the resources that the government get
- 35:18disappears you see what i mean so as a
- 35:21result they make sure
- 35:23that even that that connected firms
- 35:27remain you see what i mean so that's one
- 35:29the second
- 35:30is that technological change for
- 35:32instance can empower citizens
- 35:35you know it can make you know citizens
- 35:37for instance
- 35:38uh more powerful and powerful citizens
- 35:42will demand
- 35:43change you know you see what i mean like
- 35:45uh you know i mean a government that
- 35:47enable
- 35:48digital or social media for instance
- 35:52um might uh be working
- 35:55against its interest you know because
- 35:58citizen would be better informed and as
- 35:59a result they are going to demand change
- 36:01okay so so clearly the idea here is that
- 36:04technology might be blocked because
- 36:07governments in power might
- 36:09fear how these are going to affect the
- 36:11decision that citizens will make
- 36:13and it also the fact that they might be
- 36:16so tightly connected to um to
- 36:19incumbent firms that and they don't want
- 36:22this firm to to to
- 36:23to to leave okay so so that's uh
- 36:27that's the asimoglou and robinson
- 36:29johnson robinson
- 36:30version of how
- 36:33um democracy will promote growth
- 36:37by blocked by
- 36:40by punishing or by
- 36:43incumbents that have an incentive to
- 36:46block
- 36:46uh technology because of their economic
- 36:49ties okay
- 36:50so okay this is those are the benchmarks
- 36:53you know one
- 36:54is about government turnover the one is
- 36:55about control enforcement the
- 36:57first one is uh public investment those
- 36:59are the three
- 37:00set of um you know three setup um
- 37:04institutions okay so now in this videos
- 37:08very simple environment
- 37:10so let's look at um how
- 37:13political institutions in this simple
- 37:15environment
- 37:16will affect growth and consumption
- 37:20debt profile you know coming from uh
- 37:22aggia and
- 37:23um uh and amador technologically in in
- 37:26innovation firm productivity and
- 37:30and dynamics uh coming from asimoglou
- 37:33and now arguing now okay so that's
- 37:36basically
- 37:36what we are going to do as i mentioned
- 37:38earlier we just take this
- 37:40as a benchmark and say okay how does the
- 37:43deviation from the prediction of this
- 37:46benchmark model for instance
- 37:48would be detrimental to growth so
- 37:51what you know we want to see whether
- 37:53this effect can be observed from
- 37:54critically
- 37:56um you know which firm will benefit and
- 37:59lose
- 38:00um and how to think about the choice of
- 38:03political connections
- 38:04and how the type of policy
- 38:08that we should consider to improve
- 38:09welfare and so on
- 38:11so so basically we are now
- 38:14basically going michael you know to see
- 38:19how um
- 38:22um connections of different type
- 38:25okay because remember you know in
- 38:28barrow politicians just wanted to i mean
- 38:31the government just wanted to
- 38:33maximize the representative
- 38:36consumers equity function but government
- 38:39has to get elected
- 38:41you know and what they want instead is
- 38:44how to maximize their probability of
- 38:45being elected
- 38:47how we want to uh maximize the payoffs
- 38:50coming from being elected you know not
- 38:53uh
- 38:54you know anyway so so if we look at this
- 38:58and then uh then we can understand
- 39:01political connection and we can see how
- 39:02those connections for instance
- 39:04will will distort the optimal allocation
- 39:08of resources that government will
- 39:10provide okay
- 39:11so we are going to take several examples
- 39:14the first example is patronage and
- 39:16target reciprocal
- 39:17distribution which is mostly like
- 39:19distortion of public investment
- 39:21so we are going i'm going to go through
- 39:22two examples and maybe many more but you
- 39:25know
- 39:25feel free to actually read more about it
- 39:28because i think it's
- 39:28very very interesting the first one is
- 39:31um
- 39:33basically the allocation of roads
- 39:37in kenya
- 39:40and it shows that
- 39:44democracy redistributes
- 39:48more almost more or less fairly
- 39:52um between a road network between
- 39:57areas that are dominated by co-ethnics
- 40:00and area dominated by non-coherent
- 40:03you know so and
- 40:07so if we want to choose between
- 40:10democracy
- 40:11and dictatorship between
- 40:14turnover in governments and not
- 40:18the claim which is made here is that
- 40:22democracy is better not not
- 40:25not that democracy is perfect
- 40:28you know but it's better than autocracy
- 40:32you know and um and they look at
- 40:35basically the effect of road expenditure
- 40:38on co-ethnic
- 40:39districts and the effects
- 40:43and the show that the effect
- 40:45misallocation
- 40:47or distortion in public investment
- 40:50giving more i'm going to be explaining
- 40:53about distortion what what distortion
- 40:55mean in a second
- 40:56giving more to queue ethnics and
- 40:58co-ethnics it's likely to be present
- 41:01on the autocracy but disappear on the
- 41:03democracy
- 41:05okay so there are similar stories
- 41:09done um in this time
- 41:13not between autocracy and demo and
- 41:15dictatorship but within
- 41:17democracy and show for instance how
- 41:20once office holders want to hold on to
- 41:23power
- 41:25even in a democracy they can misallocate
- 41:29public investment you know they can
- 41:32you know in india they will provide
- 41:34insurance to vulnerable clients for
- 41:36political favor
- 41:37in pakistan in uh sabrina's work
- 41:41berg's work they show how for instance
- 41:44um they um you know
- 41:48how politics affect um
- 41:52tenancy and and and there are a lot of
- 41:56example also in the us okay
- 41:58so here is here is basically um the
- 42:01picture here
- 42:02so interestingly what is interesting
- 42:05here
- 42:05is that you have a
- 42:08the you you usually evolution of um
- 42:13of you know you you switch
- 42:16in kenya between democracy and
- 42:18dictatorship
- 42:19or directorship and
- 42:23back to democracy and look at
- 42:27what whomever's in power do when
- 42:32uh does i'm sorry when the
- 42:35when you have political transition
- 42:38so for instance here
- 42:41um it was a kikuyu dominated
- 42:45period i mean it was it was uh you know
- 42:47it was
- 42:48a democratic democratic government
- 42:51autocracy um and then
- 42:55autocracy back to autocracy back to
- 42:58democracy
- 42:59and you know and and i'm not sure
- 43:02between
- 43:0310 and up but you know it's uh i think
- 43:06it's back to democracy
- 43:07anyway but the point here is that as you
- 43:10can see
- 43:11in period of democracy like here
- 43:15and here you have oh yeah particularly
- 43:19particularly here
- 43:20you have a higher
- 43:24co-ethnic bias sorry you have a lower
- 43:27ethnic bias in road allocation than on
- 43:30the autocracy
- 43:31you can see here for instance a location
- 43:34of public investment in roads
- 43:36much higher you know um
- 43:40under on the autocracies done on the
- 43:43on the on on the democracy okay so
- 43:47and anyway so and and for instance
- 43:50[Music]
- 43:52this is confirmed by this table and
- 43:55to show that this is dictionary they
- 43:57show
- 43:58they look at the contrafactual world
- 44:00network
- 44:02the world network that a a social
- 44:05planner
- 44:06or the a
- 44:10development outcome maximizing
- 44:13government will choose
- 44:14and compare it to the actual road
- 44:16network and
- 44:18and show that uh under democracy
- 44:21there is less gap in terms of uh
- 44:24the less i mean smaller gap in between
- 44:28the actual road network and the
- 44:29contractor contractual road network
- 44:31than there is on the autocracy okay so
- 44:34that's one
- 44:35about destruction of public investment
- 44:38in roads
- 44:38you know there are a lot of studies
- 44:40showing similar distortion in
- 44:41educational investments
- 44:43and um and also in
- 44:47you know income distribution scheme that
- 44:49might be that might take place
- 44:50okay and again that i said this was a
- 44:53comparison between democracy and
- 44:54dictatorship
- 44:55but in fact if you look within
- 44:57democracies for instance
- 44:59you can see that
- 45:03this you know um politicians
- 45:07might favor
- 45:11some specific groups more likely to vote
- 45:14for them
- 45:16you know than other groups anyway so but
- 45:18this is just to make a point
- 45:20that institutions
- 45:23democracy and also within democracy
- 45:27um you know and the the
- 45:31can lead to that can lead to distortion
- 45:34in in public investment
- 45:36now the second part the second type of
- 45:39distortion
- 45:40is patronage so what is spectrometer is
- 45:42the social reappointment of individual
- 45:44to government and political position
- 45:47basically is
- 45:51filling government position with
- 45:56political appointees you know okay and
- 45:59this
- 46:00can happen two ways it can happen um
- 46:03as if type of political exchange
- 46:05exchange
- 46:06you know you helped me get elected
- 46:10and then i i asked you know i put in
- 46:14charge
- 46:15of a government agency
- 46:18it could also be um
- 46:21driven by social ties you know
- 46:25in a sense like um you are
- 46:28from we went to school together
- 46:32you are one of my you know you are in my
- 46:35social network
- 46:36and i reward you by putting you
- 46:39in a government position you know so so
- 46:42again the ties here can be political it
- 46:44can be social
- 46:45all right so close connection of firms
- 46:49and states in hiring practices
- 46:51my effect who get who get fired who
- 46:54could get hired
- 46:55can affect the quality of bureaucracy
- 46:57and policy implementation
- 46:58and which policy is implemented so there
- 47:00is a classical
- 47:01classic studies done uh by sue
- 47:04in 2018 about for british empire
- 47:08and basically the context is british
- 47:10empire 1854 and 1966
- 47:14with they used a newly digitized data
- 47:18and um we study we study the effect of
- 47:21patronage
- 47:22that i defined earlier on promotion to
- 47:25higher salary position
- 47:27and the
- 47:30and the effect on tax revenue tax agents
- 47:33and exemptions
- 47:34and an investment okay and they they
- 47:37study use two type of variation
- 47:39the one is electroshock because
- 47:43first of all a party has to win
- 47:48to be able at the party you have to win
- 47:51to select
- 47:52the secretary of state i mean foreign
- 47:55minister
- 47:56who then will select a governor
- 48:00you know so so uncertainty about being
- 48:04elected in that position is
- 48:05the first source of variation the second
- 48:08source of variation
- 48:09is is the fact that in 1930
- 48:13there is the warren official reform that
- 48:15makes this appointment overseen
- 48:17by independent civil service civil
- 48:19service
- 48:20so so i mean the reform makes
- 48:23patron appointment less likely okay
- 48:27and this picture tell the story very
- 48:29clearly you can see
- 48:30for instance that in terms of average
- 48:34salary
- 48:36political appointees was making more
- 48:39than non-political appointees so
- 48:42patronage
- 48:44increased the wage bill for the
- 48:46government but then after 1930
- 48:50you know from 1930 the gap
- 48:53um decreased significantly to the point
- 48:57where
- 48:57it's more or less the same uh you know
- 48:59from 1950
- 49:00on until the british empire disappeared
- 49:04okay so basically um patronage is a
- 49:07distortion
- 49:08of public management you know and
- 49:12they also show for instance that um you
- 49:16know
- 49:16this has a negative effect
- 49:20on um on public expenditure on
- 49:22investment as i said earlier
- 49:25and um you know anyway so
- 49:28i will really strongly recommend to you
- 49:30to read the paper because
- 49:32uh you know the evidence is extremely
- 49:34extremely
- 49:35extremely extremely solid okay so now
- 49:38this is
- 49:39about um patronage you know how
- 49:42this institution might distort
- 49:46public investment in roads and distorts
- 49:49as well um public management
- 49:53you know through patronage and how this
- 49:55can lower
- 49:56tax revenues and
- 50:00and increase the cost of running
- 50:03governments you know through the highest
- 50:06salary for the appointees
- 50:07and so on you know there are even much
- 50:10worse form
- 50:11of patronage than this and in political
- 50:13science they call it
- 50:14pre-vandalism which is basically the
- 50:17political appointee
- 50:19not only gain by being appointed
- 50:23in terms of salary even if it is not
- 50:27as competent but sometimes
- 50:31they are given ownership
- 50:34of part of government and they can
- 50:37basically
- 50:38run it as they wish you know run it down
- 50:41completely
- 50:42okay so this is the worst
- 50:46so what i'm saying is that the evidence
- 50:47will be hanky we find him in terms of uh
- 50:50um in terms of um the cost of patronage
- 50:53described
- 50:54by tsu in in the british empire can be
- 50:57actually much much worse than that
- 50:58okay so okay now let's talk about
- 51:01control enforcement control enforcement
- 51:03i'm going to cover a question
- 51:06yes go ahead um before you go to the
- 51:09next one
- 51:09um quickly i think i it's about
- 51:12um an earlier slide which which is about
- 51:15distortion resulting from
- 51:17um the provision of public goods yeah
- 51:20yeah
- 51:20you mean yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah this
- 51:24one
- 51:25is is it is it the case that governments
- 51:28increase spending during elections could
- 51:30also be a source of
- 51:31this type of distortion so that
- 51:34government spends more during an
- 51:36election because it wants to be retained
- 51:39could that also be a source of this type
- 51:41of distortion absolutely
- 51:42absolutely and there are a lot of
- 51:43studies on that for instance um
- 51:46uh you know there are a lot of studies
- 51:48on for instance
- 51:50it's called a political business cycle
- 51:52you know
- 51:53where government for instance
- 51:57um over over spain
- 52:00at the eve of election basically
- 52:04in strategic areas you know so that they
- 52:07can retain
- 52:08uh power you know and it could be
- 52:11not only public investments you know
- 52:14like public investment in roads and
- 52:16infrastructure and so on
- 52:17it could also be patronage like for
- 52:19instance
- 52:20assume that you know you need votes
- 52:24from a given district in northeast
- 52:27to win the election you know that you
- 52:30are in power
- 52:31what do you do you appoint somebody from
- 52:34that region
- 52:35before the election to an important
- 52:36position
- 52:38by telling everyone well you know what
- 52:41if i lose the election
- 52:42your guy is going to be fired because
- 52:44i'm not there anymore
- 52:46but if i win yeah he's there so as a
- 52:49result you
- 52:50tie them in and force them to vote for
- 52:52you you see
- 52:53so so so you know i mean like those are
- 52:55just examples
- 52:57of distortion but i think i mean okay
- 53:00for those interested in political
- 53:02economy and growth
- 53:03this is some of the hottest areas of uh
- 53:06for research
- 53:07because the data is there you know and
- 53:10also because
- 53:10it's very powerful evidence
- 53:14of political distortion
- 53:18you know and and i think there are a lot
- 53:21of studies of this type
- 53:23in political science among political
- 53:24economies
- 53:26very few in economics and i i i i hope
- 53:29there will be there is more
- 53:31you know because i think we passed the
- 53:33time where
- 53:35um you know basically we think about the
- 53:38government
- 53:39as benevolence and doing what is right
- 53:42you know that's where generation one
- 53:45barrows
- 53:46generation but i would not like me to
- 53:48say that but anyway so
- 53:52you have to start from somewhere anyway
- 53:54but now you know when we look at
- 53:56real government with incentives
- 54:01to get in power discretion
- 54:05over public investments
- 54:08and hiring to retain
- 54:11power then we observe those kind of
- 54:14distortion
- 54:15and we need to think creatively about
- 54:18how you can
- 54:18limit this you know because
- 54:22um you know it's more i mean the hottest
- 54:25area i think in this
- 54:26kind of research is basically uh you
- 54:28know to to to find
- 54:30creative way you can reduce political
- 54:34distortion
- 54:35because it's natural it's structural
- 54:38you know there is no way somebody will
- 54:41be in power
- 54:42and not have an incentive to use his
- 54:45discretionary power
- 54:46over public spending to do this they
- 54:49will do it
- 54:50so the question like uh you know my son
- 54:53and chewovski will ask will it is it's
- 54:56going how
- 54:57do you design the rules and institutions
- 55:00in government
- 55:01to make this less likely to happen you
- 55:03know i think this is a very very
- 55:04truthful area
- 55:05that i think uh something that might be
- 55:07anyway so i agree with you
- 55:09okay so now let's talk about contract
- 55:11enforcement
- 55:13so so this is it's a it's a it's it's a
- 55:17really really cool paper that's just
- 55:19getting uh
- 55:20qj i think it's about how
- 55:23weak contrast enforcement mechanism can
- 55:25lead to misallocation
- 55:27you know so um you know and they
- 55:31they use a very clever kind of strategy
- 55:34to measure
- 55:35weak control enforcement strategy
- 55:38by by using the example of
- 55:42congested courts as a proxy for weak
- 55:45contract enforcement and they study the
- 55:48effect of
- 55:49caught congestion on firm structure
- 55:51productivity
- 55:53and expenditure and then they look at
- 55:56contractually what would have happened
- 55:58if congestion were reduced
- 56:00if caught congestion is reduced and they
- 56:02use the reduced form analysis we fix the
- 56:05instrumental variable and you know like
- 56:09basically um look at um structural model
- 56:13and you know and focus on parameter that
- 56:16governance
- 56:17friction so they use some you know
- 56:20evidence to show
- 56:21that um average age of pending civil
- 56:24cases in each court
- 56:26um against the age
- 56:30you know and and define and they use um
- 56:33the age as instrument
- 56:37for um for conjecture
- 56:40and uh as you can see for instance um
- 56:44material expenditure in a total cost
- 56:47negatively affected by code congestion
- 56:52so so that's that that's good and
- 56:55um anyway so to summarize
- 56:58so production and sourcing decision
- 57:00appear to be systematically distorted
- 57:04in states with weak enforcements you
- 57:07know and this is uh similar to goldstein
- 57:09and eudrin's paper
- 57:11you know where they show for instance
- 57:12that um chiefs
- 57:14in ghana for instance invest more
- 57:19in technology because they are
- 57:23land less likely to be appropriated
- 57:27you know so so so so status in society
- 57:31is your protection against um
- 57:34you know against um uh
- 57:37basically exploitation you know it's
- 57:39similar here so
- 57:40it's as if the differential contract
- 57:43enforcement
- 57:44control enforcement for the chiefs
- 57:46control enforcement from non-chiefs
- 57:48you know here the difference between
- 57:50states that
- 57:51have conjectured court states that do
- 57:53not you know
- 57:55and plants instead that with more
- 57:57conjectures code will shift their
- 57:58expenditure away from intermediary input
- 58:00that have a
- 58:01greater um vehicle plan for production
- 58:05in the structural model they show how
- 58:08weak enforcement exacerbate
- 58:10how the problem um you know
- 58:15you know anyway so just
- 58:19take a in-depth look at that paper you
- 58:21know
- 58:22showing how we contracting enforcement
- 58:25will affect um uh misallocation of
- 58:28resources you know i think this is
- 58:29this is this is the kind of um micro
- 58:33careful micro work linking institutions
- 58:36to development that i think we need more
- 58:39of you know because
- 58:41institution is broad development is
- 58:44broad
- 58:45you know so when you reduce it by saying
- 58:48well
- 58:49here contract enforcement measured by
- 58:53congestion court development
- 58:56misallocation and then you link both
- 59:00with data from one country you know
- 59:04clean you know so i think this is this
- 59:07is the
- 59:08this is very very interesting okay now
- 59:11the last part of the last type of
- 59:14political distortion
- 59:15which is widely widely covered in the
- 59:17literature currently is
- 59:19state captured and
- 59:23okay the the initial
- 59:27interesting and important work on state
- 59:30capture
- 59:31is due to fissman uh from um
- 59:35you know from bu and currently at bu who
- 59:38and he showed
- 59:39how um
- 59:43firms that
- 59:46are firms that um
- 59:49basically are connected to
- 59:53suharto how they are
- 59:56the you know the stock prices security
- 59:59prices are affected by
- 1:00:01news about his health so and we find
- 1:00:05that
- 1:00:06one way to predict stock prices
- 1:00:10and detect which one is connected which
- 1:00:13one is not
- 1:00:15is by see how the stock prices respond
- 1:00:18to the health
- 1:00:19of suharto you know
- 1:00:23so which shows that it showed that and
- 1:00:26they find that the value
- 1:00:28okay connected firms are valued 20
- 1:00:32higher because their stock prices
- 1:00:36drop by 20 percent if there are news
- 1:00:40that their connection might disappear
- 1:00:43by because of the health of suharto okay
- 1:00:47so there are other works along this line
- 1:00:51you know showing that this is very very
- 1:00:53common
- 1:00:55and you know there are data sets uh
- 1:00:58that's provided in fascio on this
- 1:01:00you know i'm not going to go through
- 1:01:01that um
- 1:01:04now so um now the
- 1:01:07the the i i think i have maybe another
- 1:01:10maybe
- 1:01:1110 minutes or so um so so let me
- 1:01:15just um maybe go over very quickly
- 1:01:18um how connections come about
- 1:01:23um you know and what what is
- 1:01:26uh you know the effect um
- 1:01:30so i should also before i
- 1:01:33i think i i should say that um
- 1:01:36there are several you know
- 1:01:39similar stories on political connection
- 1:01:42that i i didn't cover
- 1:01:44like one is by quaja and a sim showing
- 1:01:47for instance how
- 1:01:48connected firms in in pakistan have
- 1:01:51better access to finances
- 1:01:53than than other uh non-connected firms
- 1:01:57and they were able even to to to show
- 1:02:01the effect that it has on growth to able
- 1:02:04to quantify
- 1:02:05how connections and distortion
- 1:02:08coming from political connection affect
- 1:02:11growth rate
- 1:02:12okay so okay so i mean
- 1:02:15one way um connections
- 1:02:18happen is to campaign contribution
- 1:02:22there is a a great study uh done by
- 1:02:25about two nights 2020 by showing
- 1:02:29how the probability of winning
- 1:02:32uh contract government contract for
- 1:02:36instance
- 1:02:37uh dropped drastically when
- 1:02:40firms sorry when there is a ban
- 1:02:44on campaign contribution you see the
- 1:02:47probability
- 1:02:49of connected firms in winning um
- 1:02:52you know government contract is much
- 1:02:55higher before the ban
- 1:02:56and disappeared after the event it's
- 1:02:58extremely powerful
- 1:03:00evidence you know that um campaign
- 1:03:03contribution is one of the channel
- 1:03:05through which for instance political
- 1:03:07distortion happen
- 1:03:08you know and um
- 1:03:12so and they use you know they use
- 1:03:14different diff
- 1:03:15before and after you know it's like it's
- 1:03:17like a policy
- 1:03:18before a policy after the policy and see
- 1:03:21you can see for instance that
- 1:03:23contributes contributes and ban
- 1:03:26has negative sign so it shows that uh
- 1:03:29after the ban
- 1:03:31you know this gap i mean
- 1:03:34and this kind of study actually it just
- 1:03:37gives you hope right
- 1:03:38because when you think when you see all
- 1:03:41the rig
- 1:03:42procurement contract that you see even
- 1:03:44in developing countries
- 1:03:46you can just simply assume that this is
- 1:03:48structural it's not going to change it's
- 1:03:50there forever
- 1:03:52but then you bring some relatively
- 1:03:55modest
- 1:03:56kind of intervention which is limiting
- 1:04:00and banning campaign contribution and
- 1:04:03you see
- 1:04:04the gap be in we you see the effect
- 1:04:08on um on on on
- 1:04:12on procurement process over
- 1:04:15even few years you know so i think i
- 1:04:18strongly recommend that you you read
- 1:04:20this paper you might find it very
- 1:04:21very very inspiring because i mean those
- 1:04:24data exist
- 1:04:25you know and you'll be shocked about
- 1:04:28what you find
- 1:04:29and then you know as i said earlier you
- 1:04:31can be a good inspiration for you in
- 1:04:32terms
- 1:04:33in terms of how you want to actually
- 1:04:37i mean it can be a good inspiration and
- 1:04:39what kind of
- 1:04:40policy you know you can you can propose
- 1:04:43you know one thing
- 1:04:44is to detect um distortion
- 1:04:47and measure it another one is to think
- 1:04:49about how to fix it
- 1:04:50and the way we can fix it is to to to
- 1:04:53see
- 1:04:54um this kind of policy the one that i'm
- 1:04:55describing here
- 1:04:57and the mechanism through which they
- 1:04:59happen okay
- 1:05:01and um another um you know
- 1:05:05very important paper uh is by actually
- 1:05:08oxygen um for instance also
- 1:05:11there has some kind of competition
- 1:05:12flavor
- 1:05:14showing for instance how incumbent firms
- 1:05:17are entrenched they are highly connected
- 1:05:22they are less innovative and
- 1:05:26you know and the cost
- 1:05:29for the economy of um
- 1:05:32those entrenchment but again as i
- 1:05:35mentioned earlier
- 1:05:36it takes the risk of political turnover
- 1:05:40but it also takes institutional fix
- 1:05:44like the one we just described like
- 1:05:47banning campaign contribution
- 1:05:49or more transparency in government to
- 1:05:51reduce those
- 1:05:52those kind of incentives okay so um
- 1:05:55you know very as i said there are a
- 1:05:57massive number of papers
- 1:05:59on polycon connection on outcome i
- 1:06:02already talked to about kwaja and myan
- 1:06:04talking about uh probability of bailout
- 1:06:06in the u.s
- 1:06:07loan from state banks in brazil lower
- 1:06:10taxation
- 1:06:11easy access so great set of papers
- 1:06:14on showing basically providing
- 1:06:18evidence of political distortion coming
- 1:06:21from political connection
- 1:06:22okay this is great now one one
- 1:06:26before i conclude let me tell you about
- 1:06:28uh
- 1:06:29uh you know basically um
- 1:06:33one of the channels to which public
- 1:06:35connection are created is through
- 1:06:36lobbying
- 1:06:37and lobbying can be good or bad you know
- 1:06:40but because lobbying for instance
- 1:06:42is a way government can get
- 1:06:45expert information you know like for
- 1:06:47instance
- 1:06:49you know i mean i would like to lobby
- 1:06:50the us government for instance
- 1:06:52um to inform them about
- 1:06:56countries in africa that's a truly
- 1:06:58democratic i mean no
- 1:07:00assume that i know the truth right so
- 1:07:02truly they were
- 1:07:03one that's less you know and you
- 1:07:06lobbying for instance will help
- 1:07:10i don't know let's say microsoft or
- 1:07:12others you know to
- 1:07:14get the government to be more
- 1:07:16knowledgeable
- 1:07:18about you know the new development
- 1:07:21in the new technology you know so but
- 1:07:23then
- 1:07:24lobbying can also create
- 1:07:27a political connection that might create
- 1:07:30political distortions that i describe
- 1:07:32and what is interesting when you want to
- 1:07:34study this question
- 1:07:36in the u.s in particular is that it's
- 1:07:37very transparent you know there's a lot
- 1:07:39of data
- 1:07:39on lobbying and as i said it can be
- 1:07:43information information transmission
- 1:07:46it can also be
- 1:07:50provide incentives um
- 1:07:53incentive for political connection so
- 1:07:56um you know if you burn you might
- 1:08:00lose or you might win you know so there
- 1:08:02are a lot of studies
- 1:08:03trying to disentangle um you know
- 1:08:06the you know what is
- 1:08:10what what what effect is driven by
- 1:08:12information sharing
- 1:08:13and what is the effect is driven by
- 1:08:14political connection
- 1:08:16so there are models that
- 1:08:19you know look at this um you know
- 1:08:22so consider uh lobbying
- 1:08:27and how it leads to misallocation
- 1:08:30and so on uh particularly you know
- 1:08:33honest and kim
- 1:08:34is very very informative because not
- 1:08:36only theoretically but also empirically
- 1:08:38okay so um
- 1:08:41now okay let me talk about political
- 1:08:44application very briefly before i end
- 1:08:46so maybe in in you know maybe in three
- 1:08:49four minutes
- 1:08:50so okay so
- 1:08:53um the one implication of this result is
- 1:08:58that
- 1:08:58you know you should ban political
- 1:09:02connection
- 1:09:03and lobbying but this is not
- 1:09:04straightforward as i mentioned earlier
- 1:09:07and also in a paper that i wrote with
- 1:09:09nathan cannon
- 1:09:10um using data from benin uh we show
- 1:09:14that if you ban
- 1:09:18one form of capture you can open up
- 1:09:22for another form of capture because for
- 1:09:24instance
- 1:09:25government can try to capture
- 1:09:29true bribing politicians they can also
- 1:09:32capture by bribing bureaucrats
- 1:09:35you know they can take over
- 1:09:39and they can do it for instance um
- 1:09:44with social ties or political ties
- 1:09:48you see what i mean so as a result
- 1:09:52um
- 1:09:53[Music]
- 1:09:57you know i mean maybe i should maybe say
- 1:09:59more about this paper
- 1:10:00so we we find for instance that
- 1:10:04places the way there is more competition
- 1:10:07you know i mean in a strong pecterian
- 1:10:08setting you know competition government
- 1:10:10turnover works
- 1:10:12in terms of promoting and reducing
- 1:10:16political connection okay but we find
- 1:10:19that places
- 1:10:20where you have more competition firms
- 1:10:24work with bureaucrats because
- 1:10:28they're not supposed to be too much
- 1:10:30turnover with bureaucrats
- 1:10:31okay so places where
- 1:10:35you have less competition firm will
- 1:10:38connect with politicians you see what i
- 1:10:41mean
- 1:10:41politicians and this is linked to the
- 1:10:43question that was asked earlier
- 1:10:44you know like if there is turnover in
- 1:10:46government
- 1:10:48all right work with bureaucrats and
- 1:10:50agencies
- 1:10:51that are stable that are not changing
- 1:10:54you know to get your deal done if
- 1:10:58you are there is not competition not
- 1:11:01enough competition
- 1:11:02then work with politicians instead do
- 1:11:05loving politicians
- 1:11:06so we have to be aware that
- 1:11:09um we need a more comprehensive approach
- 1:11:11to reduce political connection
- 1:11:13other than just banning lobbying
- 1:11:15politicians because they
- 1:11:16actually capture bureaucrat as opposed
- 1:11:18to politicians
- 1:11:19okay so um
- 1:11:23anyway now let me you know let me finish
- 1:11:26by
- 1:11:27talking about several policies one is
- 1:11:30transparency
- 1:11:32so we should be talking more about
- 1:11:33transparency in governments not
- 1:11:35necessarily political turnover
- 1:11:37you know because and there are a lot of
- 1:11:39studies and audit
- 1:11:40government contracts and you know work
- 1:11:42in brazil that
- 1:11:43make that point we also want
- 1:11:46civic engagement you know for instance
- 1:11:48it's important that
- 1:11:51citizens demand transparency you know
- 1:11:54it's not just
- 1:11:55it's not enough to get your guy
- 1:11:58elected you know because
- 1:12:01turnover is not enough
- 1:12:04so transparent in government is the key
- 1:12:07you know okay but then
- 1:12:08transparency today is easier than before
- 1:12:11because of technology
- 1:12:12you know digitizing uh or digitizing
- 1:12:15yeah digitizing governance
- 1:12:17you know like make um
- 1:12:20that collections and policy
- 1:12:24implementation
- 1:12:25more transparent with uh digital id
- 1:12:28cards and
- 1:12:29whatever it's something that can show a
- 1:12:32lot of promise
- 1:12:33um you know i think we already talked
- 1:12:36about burning
- 1:12:37regulated regulatory reform and so on
- 1:12:40okay
- 1:12:41before i finish i also need to maybe um
- 1:12:44tell you about corny capitalism
- 1:12:47and so on um particularly in many
- 1:12:51north african and asian countries for
- 1:12:53instance where
- 1:12:54you have a state-run economy led to a
- 1:12:58transition
- 1:12:59to a capitalist system that political
- 1:13:03and military elites
- 1:13:04run the firms run the economy you know
- 1:13:07as a result in that case
- 1:13:10political distortion are structural you
- 1:13:13know they are not something that
- 1:13:14happened
- 1:13:15you know before and after election is
- 1:13:18built in
- 1:13:18it's built in you know and that's the
- 1:13:20case in indonesia
- 1:13:22syria and egypt and so on so it's
- 1:13:24something that i thought
- 1:13:25it's important to distinguish okay so
- 1:13:28okay let me
- 1:13:29let me talk about the future directions
- 1:13:31and again since
- 1:13:32as you can see there is still a lot of
- 1:13:35room
- 1:13:36for major improvement in in the
- 1:13:38literature
- 1:13:40is the need to develop a unified
- 1:13:43and yet flexible endogenous growth model
- 1:13:46with genetic
- 1:13:47generic institutions that's quantifiable
- 1:13:50with new
- 1:13:52with new data that's available you see
- 1:13:54what i mean so
- 1:13:55you see earlier i have three benchmarks
- 1:13:58one
- 1:13:59two three you know one barrel
- 1:14:02two uh three uh
- 1:14:05aguil and whatever so there might be a
- 1:14:08possibility to actually
- 1:14:09do something that cover those three
- 1:14:14and each of them would be like a special
- 1:14:16case
- 1:14:17you know i think that theoretical
- 1:14:19exercise would be very very important
- 1:14:20you know that's what i mean by generate
- 1:14:22genetic institution
- 1:14:24and also flexible okay so
- 1:14:27and that will incorporate future public
- 1:14:29finance control enforcement democratic
- 1:14:30governance
- 1:14:31that's our story separately now but it
- 1:14:33could be integrated in one model
- 1:14:36and um so but you know
- 1:14:39what something important to really
- 1:14:41notice that me too
- 1:14:43we need to be able to characterize the
- 1:14:45socially optimal location of public
- 1:14:46investment more clearly
- 1:14:47you know because how would you know
- 1:14:49distortion if you don't know what
- 1:14:51distortion is from you know but you need
- 1:14:55a model to be able to actually
- 1:14:57uh you know expl be very explicit about
- 1:15:00what it is and you need them
- 1:15:01anyway so that's what the model will do
- 1:15:03and so
- 1:15:04so so far we talked about political uh
- 1:15:07political connection as something
- 1:15:09that's very bad for growth and this runs
- 1:15:12through
- 1:15:13misallocation of um of resources capital
- 1:15:17and labor
- 1:15:18but it could be much deeper than that
- 1:15:20because for instance political
- 1:15:22connection can lead to misallocation of
- 1:15:24talent through aspiration failure i mean
- 1:15:26in a place where you know that
- 1:15:28talent doesn't matter you know
- 1:15:31like you are in environments where
- 1:15:34competency and talent doesn't matter
- 1:15:35in terms of working for governments or
- 1:15:38being successful
- 1:15:39you know this might dampen aspiration
- 1:15:43and further damage the prospect for
- 1:15:46growth
- 1:15:47so political connection is something
- 1:15:48which is
- 1:15:50pernicious deep and can be multi multi
- 1:15:53multi multi-dimensional
- 1:15:55yeah anyway so so uh that that that
- 1:15:58that's it
- 1:15:58and um you know i think we have um uh
- 1:16:02oh 15 minutes four question perfect okay
- 1:16:05thank you very much
- 1:16:08thank you leonard um that's perfect uh
- 1:16:10there's certainly some questions in the
- 1:16:12q a but i wanted to give
- 1:16:13um the people in the front row a chance
- 1:16:16uh
- 1:16:16to ask questions first abhishek i think
- 1:16:19you had a question
- 1:16:20yeah thank you professor uh
- 1:16:23yeah i i would take a cue from the
- 1:16:25burgess at all paper
- 1:16:27and this is related to that and
- 1:16:29obviously they compare
- 1:16:30in the distortions in public investment
- 1:16:33with respect to autocracy versus
- 1:16:35democracy
- 1:16:36yeah is it fair to ask is it fair to ask
- 1:16:40if
- 1:16:40within periods of democracy there exists
- 1:16:44some distortions
- 1:16:45distortions based on the relative
- 1:16:47strength of an ethnic or religious group
- 1:16:50yeah i mean we are not comparing
- 1:16:52opposite autopsy i'm just comparing
- 1:16:54within demon democracy
- 1:16:55yeah if it is fair to ask i mean direct
- 1:16:58me to some say
- 1:16:59empirical evidence for something like
- 1:17:02this
- 1:17:03does empirical evidence exist at all for
- 1:17:05something like this
- 1:17:07yeah i mean you know i mean okay let me
- 1:17:08put this way um
- 1:17:10uh excuse me professor sorry in that
- 1:17:13line too i think i just want to hear the
- 1:17:15question
- 1:17:16are there specific studies that have
- 1:17:17also looked at the
- 1:17:19level of multi ethnicity of many of the
- 1:17:21developing countries with respect to
- 1:17:23to to what we're talking about basically
- 1:17:27because the yeah
- 1:17:30in a particular country you have um uh
- 1:17:35uh political appointments are
- 1:17:36distributed aligned
- 1:17:39along certain um you know
- 1:17:42the multiplicity of uh languages ethnic
- 1:17:46i mean around the nations are there
- 1:17:48specific papers that have also
- 1:17:49controlled for some of these
- 1:17:51yeah to the practice of them yeah so so
- 1:17:53yeah i think okay
- 1:17:54this is sort of a big and broad question
- 1:17:57that it might be
- 1:17:58great to to to to to to cover
- 1:18:01like during the three hours like
- 1:18:03discussion session that we are going to
- 1:18:05have let me say
- 1:18:06two things very quickly so for the first
- 1:18:08question yeah i agree you know i mean
- 1:18:09this is very stylized
- 1:18:12um you know and this is one case you
- 1:18:14know kenya
- 1:18:15you know so um
- 1:18:19and the idea is that democracy is good
- 1:18:20because it
- 1:18:22leads to need to build a multi-ethnic
- 1:18:25coalition to win
- 1:18:27and as usual you have to deliver
- 1:18:28something for the other guys you know
- 1:18:30but then um when
- 1:18:34you even within democracy for instance
- 1:18:37i mean there are some like ethnic
- 1:18:39capital
- 1:18:40that might be explaining the discussion
- 1:18:43that we see
- 1:18:45there might be some the
- 1:18:49incentives some electoral incentives
- 1:18:53that go beyond um
- 1:18:56simply ethnic
- 1:19:00that might be explaining what's
- 1:19:01happening you see what i mean so
- 1:19:03okay just see these papers as a way to
- 1:19:06show that
- 1:19:07distortion do exist you know
- 1:19:10and where they come from uh have they
- 1:19:13been
- 1:19:14exaggerated and so on you know
- 1:19:17did something that need to be studied
- 1:19:19and again
- 1:19:20it come to the question i asked earlier
- 1:19:22which is that i mean okay
- 1:19:24that is the okay what is and actually
- 1:19:26very close to you please
- 1:19:28this is in line with your question so
- 1:19:31what is the baseline what are we
- 1:19:33comparing
- 1:19:34this distortion too explicitly
- 1:19:37you see what i mean wha where okay is
- 1:19:40the deviation from what
- 1:19:42exactly do we have a model of
- 1:19:45how the public the public
- 1:19:49investment should be made take into
- 1:19:51consideration not just
- 1:19:54the market access but many many other
- 1:19:56things
- 1:19:57the ethnic capital whatever it is you
- 1:19:59know
- 1:20:00um the state of the existing i don't
- 1:20:03know so
- 1:20:04i agree with you that more more need to
- 1:20:06be done
- 1:20:07to capture very very very
- 1:20:10you know in depth uh what this this is
- 1:20:14um now about the about the
- 1:20:18ethnic division tragedy literature
- 1:20:22um i think it's a literature that was
- 1:20:25extremely
- 1:20:25popular in the 80s and 90s
- 1:20:29but i think more and more
- 1:20:33okay more and more we are moving towards
- 1:20:39uh political connections more than
- 1:20:42ethnic collection connection per se
- 1:20:44you know like um
- 1:20:47you know like the public good
- 1:20:52a provision is not just driven by the
- 1:20:54fact that people cannot agree
- 1:20:56because they speak very different
- 1:20:58languages you know it's because
- 1:21:00canadians want to win election and they
- 1:21:02know what to do to win elections
- 1:21:04they will know where to invest you see
- 1:21:06what i mean and sometimes they invest
- 1:21:08in places where you have one dominating
- 1:21:12group in other places where
- 1:21:14um you know they they go to a place
- 1:21:17where
- 1:21:18the you know the votes are you know
- 1:21:22so i i think there is less
- 1:21:26focus on ethnic diversity
- 1:21:29today as a problem
- 1:21:32than patronage misallocation
- 1:21:36or distortion in public investment
- 1:21:39driven
- 1:21:40by political incentives
- 1:21:43you know and ethnicity is just part of
- 1:21:45the story but it's not the whole story
- 1:21:47that's for sure you know and um
- 1:21:50i mean and also you know i mean the
- 1:21:51story of ethnicity is
- 1:21:53you know i mean it's so predictable
- 1:21:55right i mean live you know i mean
- 1:21:56if you are we and i co-ethnics i'm going
- 1:21:58to do everything for you
- 1:22:00you know it's not that simple
- 1:22:03you know so so i think yeah it's not
- 1:22:06that simple
- 1:22:06and you know it's so mechanical you know
- 1:22:09so yeah
- 1:22:10so i think i'm not saying that it's
- 1:22:12totally relevant today
- 1:22:14but it's just to be it should be part of
- 1:22:16the how do we see
- 1:22:19political distortion you know and the
- 1:22:21hope
- 1:22:23the hope is that you know
- 1:22:27stories that indicate that by
- 1:22:30burning campaign contribution by making
- 1:22:33government more transparent
- 1:22:35you reduce political discussion you know
- 1:22:38and the evidence to support that
- 1:22:39so something can be done your ethnic
- 1:22:42division
- 1:22:43ethnic diversity hasn't changed and yet
- 1:22:46there are a couple of things you can do
- 1:22:48to reduce political distortion
- 1:22:50you know so and those and those new
- 1:22:52people that i just indicate
- 1:22:53i think play show that you know anyway
- 1:22:56so
- 1:22:58a couple questions from the q a um
- 1:23:02one is um corey vernon
- 1:23:06do we usually think of patronage and
- 1:23:08connections slash state capture
- 1:23:11as distinct or overlapping concepts is
- 1:23:14there a line that separates them
- 1:23:17that's the first question and then
- 1:23:19there's a vitantolio
- 1:23:21vitantonio mariella
- 1:23:26says very nice lecture he says could you
- 1:23:27please say something on the various ways
- 1:23:29to measure political power
- 1:23:31both du jour and de facto apart from
- 1:23:34information on politically connected
- 1:23:36firms
- 1:23:36is there a standard way for example to
- 1:23:38proxy for interests of relevant groups
- 1:23:41high-tech industries or social classes
- 1:23:43for example
- 1:23:45yes so i mean those are fantastic
- 1:23:47questions so
- 1:23:49okay so oh let me put this way
- 1:23:53so patronage and
- 1:23:56state capture okay state capture
- 1:24:00is firms and politicians okay
- 1:24:05all right patronage is
- 1:24:09politicians and bureaucrats
- 1:24:13okay basically the story is that well
- 1:24:17you know like in the u.s this guy
- 1:24:21campaigned for me in arizona i win the
- 1:24:24election
- 1:24:26uh he or she is going to become the
- 1:24:29ambassador
- 1:24:30in china you know so and there is
- 1:24:34a lot of papers that show that this
- 1:24:36patronage appointment do exist
- 1:24:38in in the us okay so at the beginning
- 1:24:41those are two separate kind of concept
- 1:24:43you know poly connection
- 1:24:45like basically it's about inside
- 1:24:49inside connection between a firm and
- 1:24:51politicians and patronage
- 1:24:52is when you win the election would you
- 1:24:54put in power to
- 1:24:56to do your bidding you know okay but now
- 1:24:58they can be connected you know because
- 1:25:00for instance
- 1:25:01what if the patron who the guy who is
- 1:25:05appointed
- 1:25:06is highly recommended by a firm
- 1:25:10you see what i mean like and and this
- 1:25:14is called revolving door
- 1:25:18you see what i mean so yes
- 1:25:21if you patronage and state capture can
- 1:25:25combine
- 1:25:27to be revolving door you know where
- 1:25:30somebody recommended by the firm is
- 1:25:33appointed
- 1:25:34in a government agency
- 1:25:38to work for the firm you know like for
- 1:25:39instance there is a story
- 1:25:41about bullying and this and the the
- 1:25:46uh the department of defense you know
- 1:25:49where
- 1:25:50where um you know some people say that
- 1:25:53when the ethiopian airlines had an
- 1:25:55accident
- 1:25:56the government didn't reply very very
- 1:25:58quickly because
- 1:26:00boeing is highly connected to
- 1:26:03the transportation agency
- 1:26:07you know so this thing happened
- 1:26:09everywhere you know so
- 1:26:10yeah yes um um
- 1:26:14they are separate to begin but then
- 1:26:16there are ways
- 1:26:17they can combine that that makes it even
- 1:26:20more more pernicious and you know so
- 1:26:24and then about um the power
- 1:26:28measuring power de facto and uh you know
- 1:26:31it's it's a very
- 1:26:32it's a very kind of um promising
- 1:26:36literature
- 1:26:37um you know so far it's uh de facto and
- 1:26:41it's very historical which is great it's
- 1:26:44also very macro
- 1:26:46so yeah i think in the future i will see
- 1:26:49like development in that area as well
- 1:26:51you know where for instance
- 1:26:54um you know the
- 1:26:58influence is measured
- 1:27:02economically you know but it could also
- 1:27:05be measured politically
- 1:27:07you know um and uh
- 1:27:10and sometimes influence can be measured
- 1:27:14formally you know in a sense like you
- 1:27:16know you get appointed
- 1:27:19um so and so it could also be
- 1:27:23and measured informally you know like
- 1:27:26for instance after all
- 1:27:27density opinion in china was not the
- 1:27:29president was not
- 1:27:31even the prime minister and yet he was
- 1:27:34the most powerful
- 1:27:35politician uh post mao in in china
- 1:27:39i mean like you know everyone else is
- 1:27:42just
- 1:27:42a figurehead you know so so what i'm
- 1:27:45saying
- 1:27:45yeah it's it's important to actually uh
- 1:27:48document preferences of individuals
- 1:27:52and see whose preferences matter the
- 1:27:57most
- 1:27:58and when and be able to distinguish
- 1:28:01uh to be yeah those clearly it's
- 1:28:03something that can be done and it just
- 1:28:05confirmed
- 1:28:06that there's still so much so much so
- 1:28:08much to be done
- 1:28:09in that area and again what is
- 1:28:11interesting is that
- 1:28:14the literature is becoming increasingly
- 1:28:15micro
- 1:28:17and there are data available you know
- 1:28:19historical archives and all this kind of
- 1:28:20stuff
- 1:28:21and there are a lot of contributions
- 1:28:23that can be made you know you take a
- 1:28:24simple glue and robinson's work
- 1:28:26or other work for instance by you know
- 1:28:28my other
- 1:28:30kind of major
- 1:28:34mostly macro major figure in particular
- 1:28:36development very macro but you take it
- 1:28:38with data
- 1:28:39take it too far you take into specific
- 1:28:41governments you know
- 1:28:42um and you apply those concepts to real
- 1:28:47you know kind of government and agencies
- 1:28:50in specific uh you know area
- 1:28:53you know or error you know like the work
- 1:28:55that um
- 1:28:56uh goku has done for british empire
- 1:29:00you know so anyway so i'm not sure if
- 1:29:03it's answering a question but
- 1:29:04you know we can we can we can follow up
- 1:29:06on this you know during
- 1:29:07um the office hours or during the
- 1:29:10discussion session next week
- 1:29:13let me give you three last questions
- 1:29:15which we're really out of time so you
- 1:29:16can decide how to
- 1:29:18whether and how to answer the three but
- 1:29:19i just want to
- 1:29:21give you them um the first is uh
- 1:29:24ismail sinusi uh
- 1:29:27asking about the optimal level of
- 1:29:29government involvement
- 1:29:30yeah he said one wondering if government
- 1:29:33input could lead to higher or lower
- 1:29:34transaction costs and whether
- 1:29:36less of such input is preferred to more
- 1:29:39then that's the first one the second is
- 1:29:43just have a first name emanuel
- 1:29:46well it's a specific question the
- 1:29:48government of uganda
- 1:29:50promotes oil palm production in uganda
- 1:29:52and uses ppp approach
- 1:29:55contracts a private player to offer
- 1:29:57inputs subsidizes and then farmers will
- 1:29:59help this private company
- 1:30:01we think that such strategy will create
- 1:30:02distortions that farmers might end up
- 1:30:04losing
- 1:30:05how can the effectiveness of this ppp
- 1:30:08contract and subsidies be studied
- 1:30:11and then the third question is swati
- 1:30:13jain
- 1:30:14i want to understand why the assumption
- 1:30:16of rational decision maker
- 1:30:18is not applicable for governments as
- 1:30:19economic agents
- 1:30:21does be behaving rationally increase
- 1:30:24their payoff
- 1:30:27great so those are all great questions
- 1:30:29so um
- 1:30:31you know again i will be so one thing i
- 1:30:34would suggest
- 1:30:34is i'm sure this is done already i copy
- 1:30:37those questions
- 1:30:38and send it so that i can think about it
- 1:30:41and answer them
- 1:30:42even and individually so yeah i mean
- 1:30:46okay the macro perspective on
- 1:30:48governments
- 1:30:49was like well you know what like
- 1:30:51government is god
- 1:30:53and then information friction blah blah
- 1:30:55blah leads to government to do things
- 1:30:57not properly
- 1:30:58okay i think we passed that a little bit
- 1:31:00so
- 1:31:01now it's about recognizing
- 1:31:05what resources of those destruction and
- 1:31:07think of institutions that will help
- 1:31:08reduce them
- 1:31:09you know so so i think
- 1:31:13i think we should move okay we should
- 1:31:15recognize that there is no
- 1:31:18perfect government to begin with we can
- 1:31:20have a benchmark you have a starting
- 1:31:22point but probably going doesn't exist
- 1:31:24every government is the deviation what
- 1:31:26is ought to be now we need to think
- 1:31:28about institutions to help solve
- 1:31:30the problem that they create that's
- 1:31:32becoming a mechanical design problem
- 1:31:34roger meyerson is is big on
- 1:31:37on on this and then you know like
- 1:31:40example of ppp
- 1:31:42you know like how do you minimize
- 1:31:45political distortion especially state
- 1:31:47capture by designing
- 1:31:49private private public partnerships
- 1:31:51properly
- 1:31:52what do you do when you have natural
- 1:31:55resources
- 1:31:56blah blah blah you know i mean so all
- 1:31:59those are problems that's
- 1:32:00that were raised and i think the issue
- 1:32:04is always to measure distortion that
- 1:32:07come
- 1:32:07from this environment to the best you
- 1:32:10can
- 1:32:10and then think creatively about how to
- 1:32:13solve it but again
- 1:32:15something which is clear is that by
- 1:32:17having more
- 1:32:18transparency by
- 1:32:22um by having more transparency um
- 1:32:26you know you will reduce political
- 1:32:29distortion
- 1:32:30but again you need to have a benchmark
- 1:32:33you know
- 1:32:33of what
- 1:32:35[Music]
- 1:32:36how do you actually measure distortion
- 1:32:38from one specific
- 1:32:40i mean from from what is the optimal
- 1:32:43government
- 1:32:44action that you are considering yeah
- 1:32:46thank you very much
- 1:32:47leonard um why don't the front row uh
- 1:32:49unmute
- 1:32:50and uh we'll give uh professor watchcon
- 1:32:52a round of applause applause
- 1:32:54thank you thank you thank you thank you
- 1:32:57that was such a pleasure so
- 1:32:59i'll see hopefully i see many of you
- 1:33:01next week yeah
- 1:33:02and tomorrow we have uh peak clean out
- 1:33:05at the same time
- 1:33:06um tomorrow um so
- 1:33:10uh we look forward to seeing uh many of
- 1:33:12you there as well
- 1:33:13okay thank you bye-bye thank you bye-bye
- 1:33:16bye-bye
- 1:33:16i should thank mandy chan as well
- 1:33:20i apologize kirstie and everyone else at
- 1:33:23cpr thank you so much for your time as
- 1:33:25well
- 1:33:25thank you
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