Stop Being 'Nice' & Start Controlling The Room — Transcript
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- 0:00Everybody's calling everybody a
- 0:01narcissist. [music] It's like the thing.
- 0:02You don't agree with me, you're a
- 0:03narcissist. You said this to me, you're
- 0:05a narcissist. When you hear somebody
- 0:08using the repeated use of I I I I, a
- 0:10little bit of a red flag.
- 0:12>> [music]
- 0:12>> You want to be king or queen what you
- 0:14reading people? Shut up.
- 0:21>> How can someone understand what
- 0:23personality type is in front of them? Uh
- 0:25the family member or friend, someone
- 0:27they're meeting for the first time. Is
- 0:29there any strategies or techniques to
- 0:31learning the personality type of someone
- 0:33that you're meeting?
- 0:34>> So, this is a good question. I'm not
- 0:36familiar with this and I've not been
- 0:37taught this, but I've been taught
- 0:39another one with four personality types.
- 0:41>> are those?
- 0:41>> So, we're going to give them animal
- 0:43names. So, here's the thing. The
- 0:44researchers behind this are Dr. Emily
- 0:47Allison and Dr. N and Lawrence Lawrence
- 0:49Allison. They do a lot of research and
- 0:51they actually work very closely with the
- 0:53intelligence communities to include
- 0:55where I came from. So, I've done my
- 0:56training there.
- 0:57>> Okay.
- 0:57>> So, these are the four animal archetypes
- 0:59that they talk about. You can be lion,
- 1:01T-Rex, mouse, or monkey. Now, somebody
- 1:05who is lion is a person who likes to be
- 1:07in control. They want to set the agenda.
- 1:09Somebody who's T-Rex is someone who
- 1:12typically fights. They're very kind of
- 1:14frank, forthright. Sometimes they can
- 1:16come off a little bit blunt. They're
- 1:17fighters. Someone who is mouse is
- 1:20someone who who will suppress themselves
- 1:22a bit more. They're a little bit more
- 1:24submissive. They can be patient and
- 1:26humble humble, but they can also become
- 1:28avoidant. They can push themselves down
- 1:31to suppress themselves so they can fit
- 1:32in. Maybe they want to be really liked
- 1:34or something like that. And then the
- 1:35other personality personality type is
- 1:37monkey. It's like, "Hey everybody, I'm
- 1:39here. So good to see you. Come here.
- 1:41This and that."
- 1:42>> over the place.
- 1:42>> They're very warm, they're social,
- 1:44they're engaging. Now, those are the
- 1:46animal archetypes. We move through these
- 1:48because you're not one thing and you're
- 1:49different things with different people,
- 1:51by the way. Cuz you can be a very strong
- 1:53personality maybe at work, but then when
- 1:55you go home, let's say you have an
- 1:56abusive relationship or not healthy one,
- 1:58you can go from being a lion
- 2:00>> The mouse.
- 2:00>> to being mouse.
- 2:01>> Mhm.
- 2:02>> So you want to pay attention to that.
- 2:03Now there's also there's also good lion
- 2:06and good mouse. So there's a good wheel
- 2:07and a bad wheel. You can be both as a
- 2:09you can be this but be the bad version
- 2:11of it. So if I'm let's take I'm T-Rex. I
- 2:14know this, I surrender to it. I'm I
- 2:16intuitively
- 2:18>> You're fighter, you're fighter.
- 2:19>> to fight. If somebody says something to
- 2:21me, I intuitively want to fight back.
- 2:23But because I know this, I work very
- 2:26hard to keep it in check.
- 2:27>> Interesting.
- 2:28>> I'm aware of it.
- 2:29>> So you're the good T-Rex most of the
- 2:31time except for when you're with your
- 2:32husband.
- 2:33>> So if I'm good T-Rex, I'm direct, frank,
- 2:35and forthright. I'll tell you something
- 2:37but I'm not afraid to tell you
- 2:38something. I'm I'm not afraid to
- 2:40compete. It's called being competing. So
- 2:41let's say you say to me Louis, "I read
- 2:43that that research I I told you about,
- 2:44it's the best. This is what they should
- 2:46be teaching. It's it's bar none. It
- 2:48works for me." And I said to you, "You
- 2:49know Louis, I I hear you and I think
- 2:51it's probably it's really good but I
- 2:53really the one I use, I believe in this
- 2:55one and this is why." So I'm competing
- 2:57with you. That's okay. A lot of people
- 2:59are so afraid of competing. They think
- 3:01it's ugly, it's conflict, it's
- 3:02confrontation.
- 3:04>> But if I were bad T-Rex, which I'm not
- 3:06saying I've never been,
- 3:08I'm dogmatic. I am
- 3:09>> This is the only way. It has to be this
- 3:11way.
- 3:12>> I'm punitive, right? Oh, so you think
- 3:14you know everything. Oh, so because
- 3:16because you're Louis Howes, you must
- 3:17know it all. That would be bad T-Rex. So
- 3:20there's good versions and bad versions
- 3:22of this and I think sometimes we can be
- 3:24like for example mouse. I can be mouse
- 3:26and which you are when you interview
- 3:28people, you actually flip. You you
- 3:30there's lion and mouse. So when I speak,
- 3:32I'm lion. You sit back, you let me have
- 3:35the floor, you let me speak and explain,
- 3:36right? But you're humble, you're seeking
- 3:38guidance, you're asking questions.
- 3:39You're good mouse.
- 3:41>> Mhm.
- 3:41>> And hopefully most of your people come
- 3:44here are good lion.
- 3:45>> Mhm.
- 3:45>> They're setting the agenda, they're
- 3:46helping give points, they're talking,
- 3:49they're sharing with your viewers. Now
- 3:51the bad version of that would be I'm a
- 3:52ba- I'm a bully. I'm a I'm I'm someone
- 3:55who bullies people. I'm a supervisor or
- 3:56someone who kind of push people da-
- 3:58down. I'm in charge. I'm this. I'm that.
- 4:01I'm the boss. You listen to me. That
- 4:02would be a bad version of lion. And a
- 4:04bad version of mouse would be someone
- 4:06who becomes very weak, submissive,
- 4:08almost avoidant because they're just
- 4:09trying to keep that bully and that stuff
- 4:11off of them. They're too afraid to
- 4:12speak. So, those are the four
- 4:14predominant personalities.
- 4:16>> So, how can you decipher what
- 4:17personality type you're in front of if
- 4:19you're just meeting them for the first
- 4:20time?
- 4:20>> They'll show you. Just pay attention to
- 4:22their behavior. I always say this, shut
- 4:24up.
- 4:26The first day when I went to polygraph
- 4:27training, the instructor got up there
- 4:29and they said, "You want to be king or
- 4:31queen what you reading people? Shut up."
- 4:35Give people space to reveal themselves.
- 4:37Stop talking.
- 4:39And they'll show you.
- 4:41First of all, people love to speak up
- 4:42talk about themselves. So, let them let
- 4:44them go. And then you can ask questions.
- 4:46I do this. I actually hate talking about
- 4:48myself. I'll do it on a platform like
- 4:50this because I understand why we're
- 4:51here. But in real life, I don't like
- 4:53talking about myself. I'm just I'm more
- 4:55introvert. And I'll say, "No, you know,
- 4:57people ask me, 'Oh, Evie, what project
- 4:59are you on?'" I was like, "I'm talking
- 5:01to this production company. We'll see
- 5:02where it goes." "What are you doing
- 5:03lately?" "Oh, wow, really? You're in
- 5:05accounting? That's amazing. What kind of
- 5:07accounting do you do? Tell me about
- 5:08that." And then I listen. So, you'll
- 5:10pick up that person's mannerisms. You'll
- 5:13hear the language that they use, how
- 5:15they speak. And now you have a better
- 5:17idea who's in front of you.
- 5:19I call it it's 80/20. 80% of the time
- 5:22they speak, 20% of the time you speak.
- 5:26>> What if both of you are like that and
- 5:28you want to speak less and so you both
- 5:30just ask
- 5:31tell you very little and popping the
- 5:33question back to the other person?
- 5:34>> So, you bring good monkey out, warm,
- 5:36social, respectful, but you can ask
- 5:39questions. Tell me about that or see
- 5:41what they like to talk about. See what
- 5:43they want to talk about, not what you
- 5:45you to
- 5:45>> What if both individuals are that
- 5:47personality Where they're both like, "I
- 5:49just want to know what you think. You
- 5:50tell me more about you. You No, you tell
- 5:52me more about you. No, you tell me more
- 5:53about you."
- 5:54>> you're that, that's actually you're both
- 5:56you're both mouse. This is kind of like
- 5:58So, both peop- So, here's the thing.
- 6:00That's more mouse.
- 6:01>> Uh-huh.
- 6:02>> So, mouse is me saying, "Hey Louis,
- 6:04where do you want to eat later?"
- 6:05>> Uh-huh.
- 6:05>> "Oh, I don't know. Have you What do you
- 6:06want to eat later?" "Well, I don't know.
- 6:08What do you want to eat later?" We're
- 6:09never going to eat.
- 6:10>> [laughter]
- 6:11>> We're never going to eat cuz neither one
- 6:12of us is making a decision.
- 6:14>> Yes.
- 6:14>> So, actually in that scenario, we're
- 6:15we're both being mouse. So, when you're
- 6:17mouse, if one person is mouse, then to
- 6:20help the relationship progress, then one
- 6:22person has to become lion.
- 6:23>> Mhm.
- 6:24>> So, at that point, I say, "You know
- 6:25what, Louis? I Let's do sushi. I love
- 6:27sushi. Let's go do that." You go do
- 6:29sushi, and at that point, you would
- 6:30chime in. So, yes, you would want to
- 6:33move. But, these animal archetypes, we
- 6:35move between them. We may be one version
- 6:38more so than another one. So, I know I'm
- 6:40a bit more T-Rex. I have to work on it.
- 6:41I believe you're probably more lion
- 6:43>> Mhm.
- 6:43>> just because of all the things
- 6:45>> Mhm.
- 6:45>> you do. You're trying to control
- 6:46everything.
- 6:47>> Mhm.
- 6:47>> You control your relationships, your
- 6:49business deals. And so, so that the ship
- 6:51doesn't leave without you, I could see
- 6:53you being like, from what I know of you,
- 6:55like, "Hey, you know, let me slow down.
- 6:56Let me look at this."
- 6:57>> Yeah. How can you really tell if someone
- 7:00is a narcissist, a sociopath, or a
- 7:02psychopath? Like, how can you tell if
- 7:05they have nuances of it, or if they are
- 7:07one? Is there a strategy in finding that
- 7:10out?
- 7:10>> Everybody's calling everybody a
- 7:11narcissist. It's like the thing. You
- 7:13don't agree with me, you're a
- 7:14narcissist. You said this to me, you're
- 7:16a narcissist. It's like, pull out the
- 7:17DSM-5, which is actually the book that
- 7:20has all the disorders in there. I have a
- 7:21master's in forensic psychology. And
- 7:23you not agreeing with someone, or rather
- 7:25someone not agreeing with you, doesn't
- 7:27mean you label them as a narcissist. And
- 7:29the fact that we label everybody all
- 7:30these things, just in and of itself, you
- 7:32labeling somebody else a narcissist is
- 7:34narcissistic of you.
- 7:36>> Right.
- 7:36>> So, when we look at true narcissism,
- 7:38there's criteria you have to meet. And
- 7:40there's certain criteria, lack of
- 7:42empathy is one. They don't feel bad,
- 7:45lack of remorse. Now, when you look at
- 7:47serial killers or people who commit
- 7:49certain types of crime, that's falls
- 7:51under antisocial disorder. When people
- 7:54think of antisocial disorder, they think
- 7:55of someone who doesn't like to
- 7:56socialize, who doesn't like to be
- 7:58monkey, right? As we talked about it
- 8:00before. They don't want to be warm and
- 8:01engaging. They kind of are then to
- 8:03themselves. That's not that. Antisocial
- 8:05disorder essentially is is a person who
- 8:07lacks empathy, and that's where
- 8:09sociopath or psychopath fall in.
- 8:11Although they they they've moved away
- 8:13from the using these terms in in actual
- 8:15psychology. Some of the research that I
- 8:17had looked at said one out of 25 people
- 8:19will be one of these. So, one out of 25
- 8:22people will have this tendency, will
- 8:23have meet this criteria. It doesn't
- 8:25>> Of a narcissist or sociopath or
- 8:27psychopath?
- 8:27>> Sociopath, psychopath.
- 8:29>> Really? One out of 25?
- 8:30>> One out of 25. Maybe a little bit of
- 8:32narcissism, but one out of 25. I think
- 8:34narcissism is going up in our culture
- 8:37right now. I think we are seeing a bit
- 8:39more of it. And the reason why I think
- 8:41we're seeing that a lot a lot is
- 8:44the United States predominantly. I can't
- 8:45speak to other countries as much as a
- 8:47very identity culture.
- 8:49>> Mhm.
- 8:50>> We're all me me me me me. I feel like
- 8:52this. My feelings need to be validated.
- 8:55I need this. I need that. And then with
- 8:58that, social media has made us more
- 9:00self-focused rather than
- 9:01outward-focused.
- 9:03So, we are more identity. We also have
- 9:06we lack more empathy as well. Social
- 9:09media has also done that. In fact, I
- 9:11just literally on the way here, the news
- 9:12just hit me up, NBC, and like, "Hey, we
- 9:14want to do a story. You're looking at
- 9:15college campuses. Crime is going up on
- 9:18college campuses."
- 9:19>> Mhm.
- 9:19>> And they're what they want to know why.
- 9:21One of the reasons why is a lack of
- 9:23connection. I'm an adjunct professor. I
- 9:25teach criminal justice criminology. I
- 9:27have a 3-hour block that I do. When I
- 9:28give my students breaks, cuz I give
- 9:30them, do you know not one person turns
- 9:32around and says, "Hey, how are you? How
- 9:34are you doing today?" They all pull out
- 9:35their phones and they do this. They
- 9:37don't even get up out of their chair to
- 9:39go on break. I have to tell them, "Get
- 9:41up, go walk, go use the bathroom, get
- 9:43some water." Why is that a problem? The
- 9:46problem is I'm not building community.
- 9:48I'm not getting to know you. You're
- 9:50there and I'm here. And so when we don't
- 9:53feel connected to people, we have a lack
- 9:55of empathy. We fear or don't like the
- 9:58other and we are more likely to cause
- 10:00harm to the other.
- 10:02All these things come into play. And
- 10:04social media watching I do the news,
- 10:06everything's negative. It's true.
- 10:08They're not going to put anything
- 10:09positive because you the viewer don't
- 10:10want to see it. You want to see the
- 10:12drama. You want to see the called
- 10:14celebrity cases. The cases, especially
- 10:16crime, they want to see those cases over
- 10:18and over again. When you're also
- 10:20consuming this stuff on a repetitive
- 10:22basis, it's also not healthy for you. So
- 10:24you also have to think, "What am I
- 10:25feeding my mind?" But again, to go back
- 10:28to the sociopathic question, the main
- 10:31thing that we see between sociopath,
- 10:34psychopath, or really antisocial
- 10:35disorder and narcissism is a lack of
- 10:39empathy. I don't feel bad for what I do.
- 10:41It's my inability to feel bad for
- 10:43causing you harm.
- 10:45>> So I don't feel bad for what I do to you
- 10:47or what someone is doing to you.
- 10:50>> I do to you.
- 10:51>> Okay.
- 10:51>> And their very identity, by the way.
- 10:53They They are very self-focused. It is
- 10:55me, me, me. So a couple things to pay to
- 10:57pay attention to. When you hear somebody
- 10:59using the repeated use of I, I, I, I, a
- 11:02little bit of a red flag, right? You can
- 11:04even see it in email. We I was trained
- 11:06to look at language
- 11:08>> Wow.
- 11:08>> and how you can know in language when
- 11:09somebody is very self-focused or even
- 11:11depressed. If you see the repeated use
- 11:13of I, I this, I that, it's either
- 11:16self-focused narcissism or depression.
- 11:19People People also who are very
- 11:20depressed are very self-focused. I
- 11:23analyze myself. Another thing that's
- 11:24coming causing harm, and I think people
- 11:26are coming out with this, is when you
- 11:28sit and you talk about your problems all
- 11:31the time. When you dwell on them, when
- 11:33you analyze them, when you sit there and
- 11:34you've had something bad happen to you
- 11:36and you are trying to dissect that thing
- 11:38to the nth degree to figure out why it
- 11:40happened, what you're doing is you're
- 11:42feeding your brain and you know, even
- 11:44spiritually, right? If we bring it to
- 11:46that that level, only negative things.
- 11:48You are dwelling and retelling and
- 11:50reliving the harm that's caused to you.
- 11:52And you know, one of the predominant
- 11:53places that happens in is in the therapy
- 11:55room. Cuz most people when they go to
- 11:57therapy, what do you do? You talk about
- 11:59everything that's wrong in your life. So
- 12:01you have to take a moment cuz I've had
- 12:02people come to me, I need help with this
- 12:04and when I speak to them, they'll be in
- 12:05years of therapy. And I'll ask them,
- 12:07what do you go for? What do you do when
- 12:09you're in there? I talk about my
- 12:10problems. So if I sit and I always talk
- 12:13about my problems and I relive them and
- 12:15I retell them and then I get emotionally
- 12:17upset, what kind of head space am I in?
- 12:20You know, the Hippocratic oath, I'm
- 12:21Greek, it's do no harm. So I think going
- 12:24to therapy and getting help is a great
- 12:26thing so long as you understand, why am
- 12:28I going? What's my purpose? And so long
- 12:30as you have a good doctor that says,
- 12:31we're done now.
- 12:32>> Mhm.
- 12:33>> You don't need me anymore.
- 12:34>> Yes.
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