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0:02all right brother
0:04all right brother
0:07all right i just got to ask you a few
0:11questions you came down earlier tonight
0:15i mean you talked all right
0:16you don't have any weapons on you do you
0:18yeah that's just you what's wrong
0:21you know detective patterson right yes
0:24do you remember
0:25put your hands up here you remember us
0:26talking earlier tonight
0:28right you remember me earlier in the day
0:32yes we came down here and talked a
0:34little bit and then we left
0:35yes okay i need to know
0:38about this girl right here you know her
0:42yeah who is that lauren gettings
0:45does she live next door to you yes
0:50when's the last time you seen her two or
0:52three weeks ago
0:55okay was you friends with lauren yes
0:58look at me when you talk to me son
1:00okay was you friends with her yes
1:03close friends we were good i mean you
1:06all were friends right
1:07both of y'all are all students you're
1:09studying to be an attorney right
1:10yes what kind of law do you want to go
1:12into criminal law
1:13yes is that what you want to do for a
1:15living yes okay
1:18are you almost finished yes okay so you
1:21don't have too much more to do right
1:22no all right are you going to
1:26stay here in macon i don't know did you
1:29used to work at the district attorney's
1:30office in macon
1:31yes was you on the prosecutor side or
1:35the defense side
1:36prosecutor so you were on our side right
1:40you never worked on the other side no
1:42did you like it when you were down there
1:44yes uh got along with everybody
1:48yes okay and you've lived next to lauren
1:51for a long time
1:53yes okay do you know where she's at
1:55tonight
1:56no no have you ever seen her with that
2:00dress on
2:02no you have no idea where she's at
2:07no okay
2:10oh
2:14[Music]
2:20yes
2:32okay my major didn't do that but okay
2:35all right
2:36all right
2:40look just tell me what happened brother
2:44i don't know where she at i need you i'm
2:48asking you for your help
2:50i'm a detective and i'm asking you for
2:52your help
2:54okay i'm asking you for help i need your
2:58help
2:59can you help me i don't know
3:03you don't know if you can help me yes i
3:06need your help
3:08help me out tell me what to do has
3:11anybody asked you for help today
3:14i need your i'm asking you as a friend
3:18for help can you help me
3:22i don't know what do you mean you don't
3:26know
3:27you can't help a friend out i don't know
3:29what you need
3:30i need to know where lauren's at i don't
3:32know
3:33when's the last time you seen her two or
3:35three weeks ago
3:38has anybody have you ever seen anybody
3:39over her house last couple nights
3:42no okay if you knew where she was would
3:46you tell me
3:47yes
3:51what do you think happened to her i
3:53don't know
4:00do you even care that no one can find
4:02her yes
4:06i mean i don't know do you yes
4:16do you have a girlfriend no
4:20did you think lauren was your girlfriend
4:26no
4:29i mean you said you didn't have any
4:34other cars right
4:35right why would your everybody you went
4:39to school with for the last three and
4:40four years
4:42said that you own another car
4:45other than that geoprism everybody i've
4:48talked to
4:49all your friends you were in school with
4:52people that you worked at the district
4:53attorney's office with said you have
4:55other cars other than that car
4:58and you're gonna sit here today and tell
5:00me you don't have another car
5:01i don't well where's that i don't have
5:05one
5:06you never had another car besides that
5:07geoprism so if i call your granddaddy
5:10he's going to tell me
5:12that you only have one car yes
5:15what's his phone number i don't know
5:18yeah
5:19because i already have his mom
5:22you don't know a phone number no
5:34i mean you seriously can't help us out
5:38his number is in my cell phone where's
5:40the start where's your cell phone
5:42at the apartment in your apartment
5:46i mean it's kind of like to be calling
5:47him does he stay up late
5:49i don't know
5:53do you have a grandmother or just him my
5:56grandmother passed away
5:57a while back yes
6:00but you're close to your grandfather
6:02right yes
6:04i mean johnny on some property or
6:06something he said a couple of acres
6:09my granddaddy or my grandfather
6:13who lives in pike county my granddaddy
6:16does he own any land down there
6:17yes okay and just sometimes you go down
6:21to visit him or something last time we
6:23met
6:24i went down and visited with my aunt and
6:27uncle
6:30what did he do for a living was he an
6:31attorney like you
6:33he worked for the southern railroad
6:35company
6:36is anybody in your family an attorney no
6:39you're the only one that went through
6:40law school
6:41yes well that's an accomplishment don't
6:44you think
6:46yes i mean it took a long time right
6:49yes a lot a lot of studying
6:59you i think you told me earlier you were
7:01from up atlanta or
7:03did you live in atlanta or griffin or
7:05something like that
7:08you don't have any family left up there
7:10yes well who lives up there
7:11my parents okay any brothers or sisters
7:16my sister lives in tucker georgia
7:20yes what's up with a pair of underwear
7:22that was in your apartment
7:25it was like a mask it was cut out like a
7:27mask
7:29you cut underwear out to look like mask
7:32no
7:35how many guns did you have in your
7:36apartment three
7:39what are they do you know what they are
7:42a rifle what kind of rifle did you have
7:45an ak semi automatic where did you buy
7:48it from
7:50classic arms is that atlanta or
7:52something
7:53online okay what kind of pistols do you
7:57own
7:58eaa witness full-size
8:01and compact okay what is that what about
8:05the one that was on the bed
8:06that's the full size that's the
8:08full-size one where's the what was the
8:10other one
8:11the compact where was that on the table
8:14by the bed yeah remember i was in there
8:19then you had that samurai sword yes
8:22that was just a i mean that's not ex
8:24it's an expensive sword or it's just
8:26some knockoff it's just one of the
8:27knockoff swords
8:28yes and what about the knife which
8:32the big the one that was remember you
8:33showed me it was dull
8:35yes what kind of knife is that because i
8:37don't know
8:38kukri where do you get something like
8:41that online
8:42i bought it from a friend did you have
8:45any other knives in the house
8:47yes that i didn't see because you didn't
8:50show me no other knives that's the only
8:51one you showed me what other knives did
8:52i miss there's a pocket knife that's on
8:55the table
8:56are you a knife collector or a knife
8:58person or no
9:01you just like knives i used to collect
9:04swords i mean do you know your swords
9:07i mean to sell and trade swords no
9:10but you just bought here and there yes
9:13but you wouldn't consider yourself like
9:15a sword expert
9:16no okay because you know they have that
9:18tv show where they sell stuff you know
9:21at night on tv but i don't know what
9:25it's called the knife shop or something
9:26like that
9:28have you ever seen what i'm talking
9:29about i don't know if you have cable tv
9:31or not
9:33all right
9:38oh you know tonight
9:43we're still looking for lauren you know
9:46any of these other girls in this picture
9:53i know that she goes to the law school
9:55and i can't remember her name
9:57so she's studying to be an attorney too
9:59yes
10:00okay is that how lauren looked
10:04with the long hair the last time you
10:05seen her yes
10:08that's how she looks yes
10:20oh this was in 2010
10:32hmm
10:38who do you think took lauren away
10:42i don't know well i need your help
10:46can you give me some what what is your
10:48observation of this
10:51i know you're smarter okay
10:55i know you have an observation you can
10:59tell me what's
11:00what do you think happened to her i
11:03think someone took her
11:08if you think
11:12i mean you watch tv shows right like you
11:14take the show
11:15what's your observation how do you think
11:18somebody would take her
11:19if somebody did take her when she was
11:22running
11:24does she normally run all the time she
11:27runs
11:28i don't know how often you mean you
11:30think somebody might have took her when
11:32she was running like down the street
11:33somewhere
11:35yes
11:38you don't think somebody got her when
11:40she got back to her apartment
11:42i don't know
11:47well you know there was a body found in
11:48the trash can next to the apartments
11:51yes you do know that and it's a female
11:55white female's body right here
11:59right next to y'all's apartment
12:02feet within from her apartment
12:07i mean
12:12we don't know 100 sure it's lauren
12:16but we're pretty confident it is
12:19we're waiting for some tests to be done
12:22to be 100 sure i mean who would
12:26who would do something to somebody throw
12:28them in a trash can
12:30i don't know i'm asking for your advice
12:33or your
12:34observation who in your complex
12:38would do something like that you live
12:40over there for three years
12:42that's tonight's the first night i think
12:44i've ever been over there
12:46in your expert opinion
12:50of all your knowledge of going through
12:52law school and all that
12:55who in that complex do i need to talk to
12:59i don't know no names come to mind
13:02you can't help me out a little bit
13:09you can't help me out i don't know
13:12you don't know anybody
13:16at all that wasn't that complex
13:22you know earlier you told me about a guy
13:24that lived in an apartment 15.
13:28i mean is he a decent guy i think so
13:32don't y'all have a laundry room there or
13:34something yeah that everybody has access
13:36to the laundry room
13:38yes has anybody been working on the
13:42apartments
13:43below you in the last couple weeks that
13:46you've noticed
13:47i haven't seen anyone
13:51but you don't you don't know if they've
13:53been doing work on that apartment
13:55number one no
14:03i mean earlier today me and you sit here
14:04and talk normal what's going on with you
14:06now why are you acting like this
14:09i need to know why all of a sudden
14:12you're acting like this
14:16i don't understand okay earlier today we
14:19sat here and talked
14:22but now you're acting like you don't
14:24know what's going on
14:28hmm
14:33when did something happen or something
14:34to you
14:38i mean why are you not why are you
14:40shutting down why are you not talking to
14:41me
14:43i don't know you don't know are you
14:45scared
14:47no
14:50i mean you're not scared are you no
14:55are you sad that something happened
14:56alarm if that's her in that trash can
14:59yes
15:07once last time you said you can't
15:10remember the last time
15:11earlier today that you took the trash
15:13out to the trash can
15:15right am i wrong right i mean because
15:18you said you like stayed inside the
15:20whole
15:22the whole weekend i think because you
15:23had all your food and all that
15:26you never went to kroger over the
15:27weekend or walmart or anything
15:31i don't remember but you could have
15:36i don't know when you go to kroger when
15:39you do go to the store to get your food
15:41do you use a credit card or you pay cash
15:44cash do you have a kroger card yes
15:48okay so the kroger card should be able
15:50to tell if you were
15:52at kroger this weekend right yes
16:01did you swipe your car to just enter
16:02your cell phone number
16:05they scan it well cause i ain't on my
16:07phone though because i can't
16:09never remember to bring my car
16:14but you don't remember if you went over
16:15the back you drive your car
16:17you walk over there i drive you ever go
16:20to walmart on the east town
16:22of grey hallway or which walmart do you
16:25go to when you go to walmart
16:26great highway you don't ever go out to
16:28zeblin road
16:30i don't think so you never been out
16:32there you know where's evelyn wrote the
16:34new walmart
16:36no you don't so you just
16:39basically go to long grail yes
16:42okay do you know where you're at tonight
16:46yes where are you at detective bureau
16:50okay
16:53and you know why we've been working all
16:56day trying to find lauren right
16:58yes because her family wants to know
17:00where she's at
17:01yes and i don't know what to tell her
17:03family
17:05so i'm asking you what do i need to tell
17:07her family
17:08i don't know what do you want me to tell
17:12them i don't know
17:14huh you're gonna have to tell me what to
17:18tell her family
17:21it's all on you brother what do you
17:24wanted me to tell her family
17:27huh i don't know well i need to know
17:32i need to know
17:35okay
17:39something happened to lord and you know
17:41you need to tell me
17:45if you know something because i need to
17:48know
17:49because their families down here
17:53want to know what happened to her i
17:56don't know
18:02you don't know no that's what you want
18:04me to tell her mother
18:06and her father that you don't know
18:09i don't know not that you're sorry that
18:11she's missing
18:12i thought you've been trying to help me
18:14all day find her but you just wanted
18:16me to tell her i don't know
18:19i don't know are you a sorry piece of
18:21[ __ ] that you want me to tell her that
18:26you got your ass on that [ __ ] news
18:29and stood out there and gave a media
18:33report that her mother saw
18:37about her missing daughter
18:41and you want me to sit there and tell
18:42them that you don't know
18:46is that what you want me to tell them
18:49because you're all over the news
18:52you sure stood out there and ran your
18:53mouth to the news media but now you're
18:56gonna get out here
18:57and you don't [ __ ] know you know
19:02you're just a sorry piece of [ __ ] that
19:04don't give a [ __ ]
19:08right yeah well why'd you tell the media
19:11everything
19:13do you need to see what you told the
19:14media today it was on 11 o'clock news
19:18well i'm asking you tell me
19:21i want to know i don't know where she is
19:25that ain't what you told the media
19:31you didn't stand in front of that camera
19:32and say i don't know
19:35i don't know i don't know
19:48right you buy all these weapons
19:52was you ever in the military no
19:56what do you need all these weapons for
19:58are you scared somebody's gonna hurt you
20:01no what do you need all these weapons
20:04for
20:06why there's a reason why were you
20:09molested as a child
20:11no then why do you need all these
20:13weapons
20:15to have why give me one good reason
20:20just give me one reason to have wow
20:24does it make you feel important no
20:29are you a big guy because you got a
20:31weapon no
20:33do you even know how to use it yes
20:38i need you to tell me what you want me
20:40to tell her mother
20:42and that i want to ask you another thing
20:44i'm not going to tell her mother that
20:45you don't know
20:46because her mother saw you on the news
20:48tonight
20:50and she cried all the way down to making
20:53because you had the balls to get on the
20:55news and tell everybody everything
21:00you didn't have no problem talking to
21:02the news when they asked you questions
21:06i'm asking you questions where's lauren
21:11i don't know yes you do know you do know
21:18you do know you know
21:22you know
21:25you do know
21:29and everybody making knows you knows
21:31because you got your sorry ass on the
21:32news and told everybody
21:35so every friend you have in making
21:38knows that you know
21:44everybody go to school with every one of
21:46your professors
21:48everybody those that you know
21:52because you got on the news tonight and
21:55told everybody that you know
21:58now how do you think
22:05you think you're gonna be a walk down
22:06the street tomorrow and nobody bother
22:07you
22:10um nobody's gonna come over and knock on
22:13your door
22:15to see if you want to talk to me again
22:19no oh they're gonna be over there
22:21brother
22:24so this little act that you're doing
22:26right now
22:28ain't working with me okay
22:31because you didn't have no problem
22:33talking to the media
22:38no problem so you just
22:41snap out of it and tell me what the hell
22:44happened
22:45so we can move on
22:48i don't know well how many times you
22:52gonna say i don't know
22:54huh how many times you gonna say it
23:01what are you gonna say i remember i
23:04don't wanna remember what happened to
23:06her
23:08how many times you gonna say that
23:12if you did something
23:16that you regret
23:19you let me know i didn't
23:24well who did i don't know
23:27well a body was found over here right
23:30next to where you live
23:33what do you have in your apartments a
23:36lot of knives
23:39a lot of guns
23:42right yes
23:52and i'm asking you about it and you're
23:55just saying i don't know
23:58that's all that's the only answer you
23:59can give is i don't know
24:01it's six hours or a couple hours ago you
24:03was out there telling the media
24:04everything
24:05you didn't stand in front of that camera
24:06and say i don't know
24:08you actually answering questions
24:12right
24:15how many interviews you give three i
24:18don't know
24:19well you gave like three
24:23do you think that was a proper thing to
24:24do when a mother's looking for her child
24:28they asked me what happened and what did
24:31you tell him
24:33what did you tell her that lauren was
24:35missing
24:36okay what else did you tell that we had
24:40gone looking for her
24:42okay and what and that we hadn't found
24:47her
24:49what else did they asked you i don't
24:52remember
24:53why don't you remember i don't
24:56you're telling me that you
25:00went through law school well you went
25:02through college first right you
25:04graduated from college yes
25:05now you're in law school did you
25:07graduate from law school yeah but you
25:09don't [ __ ] remember what they asked
25:10you this
25:11afternoon no huh
25:14i just don't [ __ ] believe that [ __ ]
25:18don't came back yet
25:21what's up buddy
25:24you talked to him about his guns yeah
25:27when was the last time you shot those
25:28guns
25:29i haven't you've never shot a gun no
25:32have you ever shot any gun in your whole
25:33life no
25:35no no
25:39so you bought three guns that you've
25:40never shot yes
25:43why to have for what
25:47to have for what i'm asking for what
25:52why do you want to have them what makes
25:53did they give you i mean tell me why
25:55it's important to you to have three guns
26:03that's an easy question come on talk to
26:06me buddy me and you talked all day today
26:09we ain't had a problem communicate why
26:11is it important for you to have three
26:13guns
26:18do you not know no okay
26:22um you got a girlfriend no
26:26who's your best friend michael quinn
26:29michael who quinn who is he
26:32he was a law student with me is he is he
26:36still a law student
26:37no he graduated when was the last time
26:40you talked to him
26:41before he moved up to boston how long
26:44ago was that
26:45a few weeks a few weeks like a month two
26:48months
26:48two weeks three weeks what beginning of
26:52june
26:53beginning of june beginning
26:56of june okay
26:59[Music]
27:02so let me ask you a question how you say
27:05you don't know where lauren is right
27:07right you said you told me earlier you
27:10and lauren were friends right
27:12yes how would you describe y'all's
27:15relationship
27:16she was my friend she was your friend
27:20what did you ever do things for she ever
27:23do things for you what did she ever do
27:24for you
27:26we jogged we talked what'd y'all talk
27:29about
27:30news the news
27:34um earlier you were telling me something
27:37about you fixed your computer before
27:40i couldn't fix it you couldn't fix it
27:43what was wrong with it
27:44i don't remember how long ago was that
27:50around graduation well how long ago was
27:53that
27:54middle of may middle of may so you were
27:57over in her apartment in the middle of
27:59may
27:59yes have you been over there since then
28:02yes
28:03when was the last time you were over
28:04there last night
28:06before last night have you ever been
28:08over there with lauren
28:10since the time you worked on her
28:12computer in the middle of may
28:13no how many times have you been in her
28:16apartment with her hanging out
28:26you don't know
28:30if you had to guess what was just
28:33i mean one time two times three times
28:35what
28:39maybe two maybe two see if i had only
28:42been somewhere
28:43twice i could remember that if i had
28:46been there
28:48over 50 times and you asked me how many
28:50times i've been like i don't know a lot
28:52but the fact that you've only been there
28:53twice when i say how many times been you
28:55say you don't know
28:56that's just odd to me does that make
28:59sense to you
29:01yes that does make sense so what i'm
29:03saying right now makes sense
29:05no
29:11when was the last time you saw one two
29:14or three weeks ago
29:15and you have you been on vacation for
29:17the last couple weeks
29:18no you've been home every night yes has
29:21she been at home every night
29:23i don't know has she been on vacation
29:26i think she was away for a while how
29:29long
29:30i don't know were you looking for no
29:35let me tell you even if i didn't talk to
29:37my neighbors
29:39i know if my neighbors have been in and
29:42out i hear them come in
29:43i hear them go out i see them when they
29:45walk by my window i've lived in
29:46apartments most of my life
29:48so the fact that you haven't seen her in
29:50two or three weeks
29:51that's just odd to me it makes me feel
29:55like you're not being honest with me
29:56steven
30:00why would you not be honest with me i am
30:02being honest
30:03stephen it just doesn't feel like it
30:05buddy you know
30:08i get the sense that
30:11there's something weighing heavy on your
30:12heart right now
30:14and it's breaking you down
30:18and you feel bad about it i can tell
30:22you haven't slept much have you in the
30:24last few days have you
30:26no like something's weighing on your
30:28mind ain't it
30:29we were looking for lauren you started
30:32looking for lauren yesterday
30:34yes but you haven't slept in several
30:35days have you
30:37yes you have yes earlier when i talked
30:40to you you said you hadn't slept in days
30:42that
30:42this morning was the first time he was
30:44able to get any sleep was this morning
30:46for a little bit no yes that's what you
30:50said
30:53that's what you told me
30:59so i asked you well if you haven't been
31:00able to sleep in several days what have
31:01you been doing studying and you said
31:02yeah studying
31:06you don't remember that no
31:16what i want you to do i'm going to ask
31:19you this question
31:20i want you to describe to me how you
31:23feel right now
31:33you know how to answer that with a yes
31:34or no do you
31:36i don't know what's going on
31:42lauren's missing
31:45this pretty little girl right here your
31:48neighbor
31:52she's missing i know
31:56you went looking for her last night yes
32:01did you hurt lauren no
32:04stephen did you hurt lauren no
32:08i know this is hard for you to tell it
32:12but it's weighing on you right now ain't
32:13it steven
32:15i didn't do it but i know you could
32:18probably help me
32:19with who did
32:23can't you buddy i don't know
32:29steven you know and i
32:32mean you both know it's no different
32:34than when you was a little kid right
32:37and you reached in that cookie jar and
32:39you got caught after your mama told you
32:40not to get that cookie
32:42don't you did you get a cookie no
32:45and whenever you tell a lie you feel bad
32:48about it right then
32:49one with every lie there's a chance
32:52you're gonna get caught
32:55and that weighs on you because you know
32:58you did something bad
33:02am i right i didn't do it
33:06you didn't take the cookie no
33:14what'd you do buddy
33:19i didn't do anything would you do the
33:21lord
33:23i didn't do anything you saw lauren last
33:26night though
33:27yesterday no
33:30what time was it that she went out to do
33:32a laundry
33:33i don't know where were you at yesterday
33:37at home
33:39what'd you do at home tell me everything
33:41you did yesterday
33:44from the time you woke up to the time
33:46you went to sleep
33:51i checked the news at what time
33:55i don't remember was it yesterday
33:57morning
33:59i don't remember what'd you do when you
34:01woke up
34:03i think i checked the news all right you
34:06check the news okay
34:15what'd you do after that
34:19i watched some videos online
34:23did you clean up no
34:26you didn't no
34:30you smell like you've been cleaning up
34:31like you've been using cleaner to clean
34:33up
34:34i know what that smells like my wife
34:35smells like that all the time when she
34:37cleans the house
34:39you've been using some kind of cleaner
34:40to clean up your apartment haven't you
34:42no steven you're telling me you live
34:45like a med how does your apartment get
34:47cleaned
34:49i cleaned it okay when was the last time
34:52you cleaned it stephen
34:54i don't remember was it this week
34:57no you mean you go a whole week without
34:59cleaning yes
35:01wow that's horrible steven
35:05was it possibly over the weekend last
35:07weekend
35:08no it wasn't if you can't remember
35:14then how is it that you can tell me that
35:15you didn't clean up your apartment last
35:17weekend
35:19a minute ago you couldn't remember
35:26i don't remember cleaning last weekend
35:29so you it isn't that you didn't it's
35:32that you just don't remember
35:36right
35:43help me out buddy right
35:47i don't understand just don't understand
35:58i don't know how else to say it stephen
36:00let me tell you what i think
36:03i think that she was a friend of yours
36:06look at her right here i think that she
36:09was a friend of yours
36:12and i think something happened stephen
36:20you used to watch her come in and out of
36:22her apartment didn't you
36:24no i mean then how are y'all friends if
36:28y'all
36:29if me and you friends we live next door
36:31to each other
36:32every time i see look at what i see oh
36:34that's my buddy going in
36:36because we're friends i'm gonna pay
36:38attention to when you come in and out
36:40didn't you just tell me that y'all were
36:42friends yes
36:44but you don't you didn't pay attention
36:46when she came in and out
36:47no stephen you're lying
36:51now you're lying you're just lying
36:54that's a lie
36:57you you ever see her come in and out of
36:59her apartment
37:00yes you did when was the last time
37:05you don't remember like last week maybe
37:09i don't think so you don't think so
37:13stephen you understand that everything
37:15that you're saying doesn't make any
37:17sense at all
37:18none none
37:22you totally contradict everything
37:25that relates to human behavior we have
37:28skills to be able to observe things to
37:30hear
37:31things to see things there are natural
37:33things out there that draw our attention
37:35every day such as when you're driving
37:37down the road if somebody hits the horn
37:38you look around
37:40you know what i'm saying this is a
37:42natural reaction
37:43if you're sitting in your living room
37:45you hear the door stand next to you you
37:47automatically think
37:48my neighbor's home right
37:51you're you're telling me that those kind
37:53of things don't happen in your life
37:57you asked if i watched i didn't watch
38:01have you noticed that she's came in and
38:02out of her house
38:04in the last week or two i don't remember
38:16what do you remember steven
38:19the last time i saw her was two or three
38:21weeks ago
38:22dude where she was going out running
38:26when i was coming in
38:27where were you coming in from bar
38:29preparation
38:31bar preparation what's the bar
38:34preparation
38:35oh you're preparing for the bar exam yes
38:38okay
38:41where how y'all doing we're just talking
38:45he doesn't seem to remember a whole lot
38:50everything's yes or no or i don't
38:53remember
38:55a lot of things aren't making anything i
38:57gotta be honest with you stephen
38:59me personally i don't feel like you're
39:02being honest
39:04okay well steven you said you're going
39:07to help me out right
39:09with this investigation because we
39:10needed your help we're asking you for
39:12help
39:13right that's what we remember i told you
39:16that yes
39:17and you told me you're gonna help me
39:19yeah right
39:20you're gonna help me find lauren right
39:22yes
39:24and ask for your opinion your
39:25observation of what happened there
39:27to her right
39:30what did you tell me i thought someone
39:33snatched her
39:35right where do you think someone might
39:39have snatched her from
39:41if you're the detective you're the
39:43police detective
39:45it's your investigation where would you
39:48start your investigation
39:51i don't know come on now
39:55you watch tv right yes
39:58okay you made it through college right
40:01yes
40:02you made it just about through law
40:03school right yes
40:05so you should know where would you start
40:09your investigation
40:12where she was last seen okay
40:16so in this case where was she last seen
40:20at garen's house garen
40:23that's the guy who lives up on the
40:25street right
40:26friend of hers yes okay
40:31all right and that was on i think she
40:34left there on saturday morning
40:36yes am i right okay
40:39now where do you think she went from
40:43their house i don't know
40:46all right you're the detective now right
40:49it's your case what would you do
40:54check at her home okay we did that
40:59you know that's what we did today right
41:02yes you saw us out there when we knocked
41:05on your door
41:06she's not there
41:12you know i need your help in finding her
41:17what do we need to do what do we need to
41:20do that we haven't done
41:23i don't know you don't know
41:28so if you had this case you wouldn't be
41:29able to solve is that what you're saying
41:31because you're not smart enough to solve
41:33it i don't know
41:35or you think you're smart enough to be a
41:36detective
41:38i don't know no
41:42you got to be killing me stephen
41:46stephen so stephen listen to me
41:51we're real people and we're here to talk
41:53to you we're trying
41:55we're i'd like to think that we're
41:57friends okay
41:59friends communicate back and forth the
42:02only thing you said is yes or no and i
42:03don't know
42:05okay it makes me feel like you're
42:07treating me like you don't like me
42:10and i feel like i've looked out for you
42:11today everything you said you wanted
42:14i've given you i've tried to give you
42:16food several times
42:17you know i feel like we talked you told
42:20me about how you like to look at porn on
42:21the internet
42:23um you express to me that you're a
42:25virgin correct
42:26yes i mean that's the kind of stuff you
42:28tell friends you know what i'm saying
42:30right yes we n we need to know where
42:34your other car is i know you have i
42:35already know you own another car okay
42:37i don't know yes you do do you use
42:40another car you have another car it's
42:42not your name
42:45you've been using somebody else's car
42:49everyone i interviewed today say you
42:51have another car
42:53these people aren't making this up
42:56you have another vehicle no i don't
43:02so your grandfather's a liar is that
43:04what you're saying
43:07you're calling your grandfather a liar i
43:09just talked to him and he said you own
43:12another car
43:13i don't
43:18so he's locked him stephen we're telling
43:21way too many lies
43:23so you're telling me they're willing to
43:24tell me
43:26that you're a virgin and that you you
43:28told me you jack off the port on the
43:30internet
43:30but you don't want to admit to having
43:32another car that makes me think you got
43:34something to hide stephen
43:35that concerns me you tell me things that
43:38most people wouldn't tell somebody
43:40else but yet you lie about something
43:42where are you trying to hide that you
43:43have another car what's the big deal
43:45i don't have it i got three cars
43:48you do no i don't it's not a truck what
43:50happened to it
43:51i've never had another car that's the
43:53only car you've ever had in macon
43:55yes okay let me go talk to him again
43:57cause that's not what he's saying
44:07stephen
44:12what happened to lauren yeah
44:15you like her don't you she's my friend
44:18did you ever think about having sex with
44:19him
44:20no you never tried to talk to her
44:23on a dating level let me go talk they
44:26got his grandfather let me go talk
44:28make sure that he owns another car
44:32because he's telling us he doesn't
44:40be right so you're telling me you see
44:43that pretty girl right there
44:45yes you're telling me you looked at a
44:47pretty girl like that you never once
44:49thought
44:50ever man
44:53she looks good you never thought that
45:02i don't understand
45:07what do you mean you don't understand
45:08did you know when you're sitting there
45:09you see a girl walking down the road
45:12and he said man that girl looks good
45:14you'll see a good looking girl you think
45:16yourself
45:16man that girl looks good yes you never
45:19thought that about her
45:21yes so you mean to tell me you look at
45:25porn on the internet
45:28and get off to that but you never looked
45:31at her and said man i wonder what it'd
45:32be like to have sex with her
45:33yes you have no
45:40have you ever thought about what it
45:41would be like to have sex with lauren
45:43no you've never imagined having sex
45:45alone
45:46no have you ever had since belong no
45:53what do you know about that body we
45:54found today i don't know
45:57you don't know
46:09what if i told you
46:14that i believe that you do know i
46:17don't what if i told you that i could
46:18prove it
46:21i don't know you don't know
46:24is there a chance but you do admit
46:28there's a chance that i possibly have
46:31evidence to show that you do
46:33have something to do with that body
46:35correct
46:36i don't know you don't know
46:40because if i hadn't done anything i'd
46:43say
46:43nope there's no way but you say you
46:46don't know
46:47why is that why do you say you don't
46:49know is there a chance that maybe
46:51something's there
46:52no why did you say you don't know
46:55because i don't know
46:56because you're worried about something
46:58maybe something that happened
46:59that maybe something got mixed up with
47:01something and you're worried about that
47:03no no why do you say i don't know
47:06because i don't know how would you not
47:10know
47:15if i was asking you did you just rob a
47:17bank if you didn't you'd say no
47:20not i don't know right right so why do
47:23you say
47:24i don't know because i don't know you
47:26don't know if you had anything to do
47:28with that body
47:29i didn't you didn't no
47:32are you sure yes
47:36what if i said i could prove that you
47:37did
47:39i don't know
47:43could you explain it i don't know
47:48today you told an investigator that you
47:52were worried
47:55about as possibly finding blood in your
47:57apartment
47:58didn't you i don't remember you did
48:03now why would you be worried about that
48:08we all looked in lauren's apartment did
48:10you see blood
48:12no then what would make you think that
48:14that there was blood taken over there
48:17nothing would make you think that unless
48:19you saw it
48:20because see i didn't see no blood
48:25none of the other lord's friends saw
48:26blood but i know now that blood was
48:29there
48:31and now i believe you saw it
48:35you saw that blood you know that blood
48:38was there
48:39and that's why you're worried about it
48:42no
48:45did you know why do you have blood up in
48:47the inside of your nose
48:49i don't know
48:57you don't know but you saw that blood
49:01that's the
49:02only way that you would be worried about
49:04it because
49:05that's like saying i'm worried
49:08about
49:11red roses being under my pillow but yet
49:15i never put them there that doesn't make
49:16any sense
49:17you know um your brain doesn't even
49:21think to operate like that unless you
49:23knew something was there
49:26does that make sense that makes sense to
49:29you're a smart guy
49:30right
49:34i don't understand
49:38you knew that there was blood in that
49:40apartment
49:41no yes you did stephen
49:46yes you did
49:50there's blood in your apartment stephen
49:57that's right there's blood in your
50:00apartment
50:02stephen this is hard buddy i know this
50:05is hard
50:07and i can tell it's someone you want to
50:09let it go there's blood in your
50:11apartment stephen
50:12you didn't get it all up it didn't all
50:16come off
50:17you scrubbed and you wiped but we can
50:20tell that
50:21don't you watch csi
50:26yeah we know it
50:33stephen why is there blood in your
50:36bathroom
50:38i don't know yes you do no why stephen
50:42has anybody else been in your bathroom
50:45the police were in there other than the
50:47police
50:49who else has been in there no one that i
50:53no one and you recently cleaned your
50:56bathroom didn't you
50:58no how long ago i don't know
51:01a couple days ago no over the weekend
51:05no no you don't know i don't remember
51:09cleaning it do you use drugs no
51:12you ever use acid no are you
51:16you're on medication no
51:28you're lying stephen i wanted to give
51:31you an opportunity to tell it
51:35i wanted to be here with you to go
51:37through that process
51:38because i know you're not a monster man
51:42i know you're not a bad guy
51:45you're just a hard-working student
51:46trying to pass a bar exam i mentioned
51:49you got a lot of support from your
51:50family do you yes
51:52you do a lot of people can't say that
51:56and the fact that you do have support
51:58from your family
52:00should make things easier your family
52:02wants to feel like they've raised
52:03somebody that tells the truth and is
52:05honest right
52:06yes did you hurt that girl steven no
52:11have you ever heard anyone stephen no
52:28never hurt anyone no i've heard people
52:32stephen
52:35i've made mistakes in my life it's not
52:38even normal to say you've never heard
52:40anybody
52:41sometimes people get mad and they say
52:43things they don't mean to say it hurts
52:46you never kicked a dog or a cat
52:50you ever hurt your the kids that live up
52:52there with your parents
52:55hmm you love those kids don't you yes
52:58okay if something happened one of those
53:01kids you'd
53:03be upset right yes
53:06well something happened to this lady's
53:09child lauren
53:12okay you love your
53:15all the kids up there with your mama
53:17right yes
53:19and you do anything for them right yes i
53:21mean they called you and said hey we
53:23need you
53:24help us out you'd help them out right
53:26yes
53:28we need you to help us out
53:31okay
53:34tell me about your family i have four
53:38adopted siblings
53:39that you love very much right yes
53:43okay what about your mama she's a
53:45homemaker
53:46okay what about your daddy
53:49he's a painter
53:53close family y'all close
53:57yes was the last time you talked to him
54:01when we got together what was that
54:05he leads it down did you go up there to
54:09see them or
54:10they come down here and see you we went
54:11to buckners
54:13i like both the chicken place where the
54:16table spins around
54:18yes you just drove up their metal
54:22yes
54:29they bring all the kids with them yes
54:34they come back to make them
54:38well they asked you how you was doing in
54:40school and everything
54:42yes
54:48you had told uh detective chapman that
54:52you've never shot any of those
54:53guns that were in your apartment yes
54:57have you no well you've never went to
55:00the shooting range here in macon
55:02did some shooting huh no
55:06any gun no
55:11you had did you made the mistake and
55:13told people at school that you used to
55:14go the shooting range and shoot
55:16no you've never said that no
55:21do you even know how to load yes in this
55:24case is that that was an sks right
55:27no what was it an ak site well same
55:31thing
55:32just different do you even know how to
55:34load it yes
55:36what kind of rounds it take 762
55:3939 okay what's the capacity of that clip
55:43that you had
55:4430 rounds was it loaded
55:48is it loaded the magazine is full
55:52okay you got a round in the chamber no
55:56why not safer that way
56:00safer it's just you in the apartment
56:01right
56:03yes why do you think it's safe for that
56:06one
56:08no chance of it getting knocked over and
56:10going off
56:12i mean no one lives with you just you
56:16bullets can travel distance well how do
56:19you know that
56:21i've read up about it well
56:27on what the computer yes okay
56:31what about your pistols
56:35you never fired any of those pistols no
56:39were they loaded tonight the magazine is
56:42full
56:42on the 10 millimeter okay
56:46there's one round in the chamber in the
56:48nine millimeter
56:50and a full magazine was the nine
56:51millimeter the full size i wanted the
56:53compact one
56:56compact
56:59and you've never even fired any of those
57:01weapons no
57:02where do you buy your ammo have you ever
57:05purchased any ammo here make them
57:06yes from where a to z guns
57:13yes when's the last time you used these
57:15z guns
57:16years ago do you have a
57:20permit yeah to carry what you do
57:23here in bible county yes
57:26okay you applied when you was working
57:30down at the county or
57:32i applied last fall okay
57:35so you have your card yes is it with you
57:38yes can i see it
57:43they make they still make you take your
57:44fingerprint dollar yes
57:46let me see your car
57:50how much does it cost now remember
57:54around eighty dollars
58:01so it expires in 2016 yes
58:07do you have any pictures of the kids no
58:11no they didn't give you no pictures when
58:12they were in school
58:15that picture your parents no you got no
58:17pictures
58:18no at all
58:26what do the kids call you stephen
58:30okay so you're just a brother or uncle
58:33or
58:34brother brother stephen none of them
58:36ever come visit you here in macon
58:48now
58:56about this car when you first moved to
59:00macon did you have another automobile
59:03no never you know
59:06when you moved to making us you brought
59:07that geo prison with you
59:09yes you never left the car back there at
59:12your mother's
59:14no why'd you tell everybody at school
59:17that you had that other vehicle i didn't
59:21so everyone we talked to just made that
59:24story up
59:26about you talking about your other
59:28vehicle
59:30i don't have another vehicle
59:35when's the last time you've been to
59:36kroger in baconsville
59:39i don't remember okay because i asked
59:42you that
59:43once last time you were at walmart
59:46i don't remember it's been a long time
59:50can you even give me that much no
59:54a week or so maybe
59:58do you even have a credit card yes
1:00:01which credit card do you use the most
1:00:04visa
1:00:05is just as a bank name or just a visa
1:00:09first financial bank is that hair making
1:00:12no first financial you got a bank
1:00:15account with them
1:00:16no well whose account they just sent you
1:00:19a visa
1:00:21you don't have no bank account where are
1:00:24you putting your money on your house
1:00:26you putting all your money in your house
1:00:28with all the food you got in there
1:00:30i have an account with wachovia you're
1:00:32making yes
1:00:35do you buy your uh stuff at walmart with
1:00:38this visa card
1:00:39no oh how do you usually pay for stuff
1:00:42at walmart
1:00:43with cash do you have a job
1:00:47no well how do you get cash
1:00:50student loans so you're just living off
1:00:52your student levels
1:00:54yes
1:01:05so you hadn't worked like a job in a
1:01:07while
1:01:12are you planning on getting a job yes
1:01:18well because your loans are gonna run
1:01:19out sooner or later right
1:01:22yes
1:01:29how long you got left to finish your
1:01:31school up are you finished completely
1:01:33yes what are you planning on moving out
1:01:36of that apartment
1:01:39i mean when's your lisa about july 15th
1:01:42where you plan on uh going when you move
1:01:45out
1:01:46back to my parents and where is that at
1:01:50logan
1:01:56do you even know your mother's phone
1:01:57number i know the home
1:02:00phone number what's that what's the
1:02:01error code up there 770
1:02:05eight one five zero three one
1:02:09what's your mother's name glenda
1:02:16has she ever had a drug problem no
1:02:20she's been home your whole entire life
1:02:21raising you
1:02:23mostly where was she when she was mostly
1:02:25raising you
1:02:27preschool oh she's a school teacher as
1:02:29well
1:02:32yes
1:02:43do you know how i've already told you
1:02:46that there was a body discovered right
1:02:49in the trash containers over there near
1:02:52your apartment
1:02:55do you know how that body got in that
1:02:57trash can
1:03:00no
1:03:02do you have any black trash bags in your
1:03:04apartment
1:03:05like uh that you use for trash
1:03:08no do you can you help me
1:03:11do you know where any black trash bags
1:03:13are in that apartment complex
1:03:16have you ever seen any around has
1:03:18someone been over there cleaning up
1:03:20or have you ever seen anybody paint in
1:03:24an apartment
1:03:26have you seen any painters because
1:03:27you're home most of the day right yes
1:03:31have you seen any of that no
1:03:34do you know where the garbage man
1:03:35usually comes over there no
1:03:39do you know anything yes
1:03:42do you know i asked you for help what do
1:03:45you know
1:03:47you haven't provided me with nothing
1:03:51i mean when's the last time you were in
1:03:54that laundry room
1:03:55at the apartment last night what were
1:03:58you doing last night
1:04:00luke and i were looking for lauren did
1:04:02y'all
1:04:03see anything unusual or out of place no
1:04:07okay there was one washer that had
1:04:10clothes in it who's called more that you
1:04:12know
1:04:13luke said they look like a guy's clothes
1:04:17but you didn't look in the machine i
1:04:20didn't look
1:04:21in detail
1:04:30what kind of knife did you have on you
1:04:31tonight
1:04:33a little throwing knife where'd you have
1:04:36it in your front pocket
1:04:38yes
1:04:42do you own any saws or
1:04:46anything like that no
1:04:50there's not anything in your car is
1:04:51there no
1:04:53the trunk or anything no when's the last
1:04:56time you
1:04:57actually drove your car
1:05:00like went somewhere in your car
1:05:04within the past few days all right
1:05:07today's
1:05:08was now friday but
1:05:11yesterday was thursday that's when you
1:05:13met me yes
1:05:14have you driven your car this week at
1:05:17all
1:05:18yes what day i don't remember you don't
1:05:22remember
1:05:24what do you remember about your car i
1:05:27drove to kroger
1:05:29in baconsville across the river
1:05:33when what do you think that might have
1:05:34been
1:05:36i don't remember you don't remember
1:05:49why would you go to kroger to get
1:05:52something
1:05:53what dinner you got a lot of food in
1:05:56your house right
1:05:58yes what day do you think that might
1:06:02have been
1:06:05was it over the weekend no
1:06:08was it monday i don't think so
1:06:12was it tuesday i don't think so
1:06:15what day would you think it was if you
1:06:17had to pick a day
1:06:19what day was you hungry on
1:06:28wednesday maybe wednesday
1:06:33you don't remember what you bought uh
1:06:37dinner frozen dinner yeah like the
1:06:40frozen
1:06:41section microwave dinner no
1:06:48oh frozen don't you cook in the oven yes
1:06:52okay did you go over there by yourself
1:06:54yes
1:06:55oh god did you go anywhere else that
1:06:58night
1:07:00yeah that day just over the program when
1:07:02you came home
1:07:04yes did you go anywhere this week
1:07:07like i don't know shopping at the mall
1:07:10or looking at guns at a z or
1:07:15did you go anywhere else no was the last
1:07:18time you cleaned your car
1:07:21i haven't since i got it back where'd
1:07:24you get it back from
1:07:25my parents how would they have before
1:07:29their van was in iraq
1:07:33so what they did come get your car or
1:07:36yes
1:07:37so they came to make and got your car
1:07:39and then left the wreck was down here
1:07:43oh and make them yes so they were
1:07:46staying with you when they were in the
1:07:47wreck
1:07:48no
1:07:51well what were they doing to make them
1:07:53the van was going to be worked on
1:07:56here i'm making yes well where's the van
1:07:59at now do they got it back
1:08:00it was totaled
1:08:04so they were in macon and they get they
1:08:06were in a wrecking macon
1:08:07my mom was and she was down here making
1:08:12because
1:08:14the air conditioner was malfunctioning
1:08:17why was she in macon though
1:08:19because there's a place in macon that's
1:08:22the best at air conditioning repair and
1:08:25you told her
1:08:26about to come down to making to get a
1:08:28recognition fixed no
1:08:31well how do you know that she told me oh
1:08:35so she just drove to making to get her
1:08:36air conditioner fixed yes
1:08:38she was in a wreck yes total out her car
1:08:41her van yes so she came to your house
1:08:45to get your car i drove her back
1:08:49i was following
1:08:53you you drove her back to where to my
1:08:56apartment
1:08:57where was the van it was towed
1:09:01okay because it's told she stay at your
1:09:04apartment
1:09:04spend the night with you no she stayed
1:09:07just a few minutes and leave or what she
1:09:10stayed about an
1:09:11hour when's the last time you talked to
1:09:14your mother glenda
1:09:16i don't remember it's been a while
1:09:20it's been a few days do you call her
1:09:23every day
1:09:24no you don't check on the kids
1:09:27no
1:09:33show me that scratch again that you
1:09:35showed me earlier that was it uh
1:09:40what what did you say happened there you
1:09:42think i scratched myself in my sleep
1:09:46oh
1:09:51are you going to be able to help me with
1:09:52this case or not because i need to tell
1:09:54a parent something huh
1:09:56i don't know
1:10:00you don't know what you don't know what
1:10:02happened to help
1:10:04why don't you know if you can help
1:10:06because i don't know if i
1:10:07know what you need i need to know
1:10:12if you know where
1:10:15or lauren's you know who took alarm i
1:10:17don't you told me that if you were
1:10:19working the case you would think
1:10:20somebody would take her when she was
1:10:22running
1:10:23why would you say that when we looked in
1:10:26her apartment there was no sign it was
1:10:28broken into
1:10:33okay so you're figuring something i
1:10:35might have took it while she was out
1:10:36running
1:10:38yes you're saying did you see her go
1:10:41running this weekend at all
1:10:43yeah that would help if you did
1:10:47what time did she normally run at night
1:10:49or daytime
1:10:51can you at least tell me that i don't
1:10:54know
1:10:55did you like to run into early morning
1:10:57or the late night
1:10:59the last time i saw her was midday like
1:11:03noonish yes okay
1:11:07she was going running when i was coming
1:11:09back from bar prep
1:11:12so i've been a while two or three weeks
1:11:18okay did she speak to you no
1:11:22you just just saw her outright i was in
1:11:25my
1:11:26car well did you see her when you're
1:11:30like pulling in the parking lot or you
1:11:31just saw her running down the road
1:11:35was she outside her apartment getting
1:11:37ready to go run or was she already
1:11:39running at the time
1:11:40you saw her already running okay she was
1:11:43about running by herself
1:11:44yes she didn't have a dog with her
1:11:46didn't you no
1:11:52did you get along with everybody when
1:11:53you work down with the district
1:11:55attorney's office
1:11:56yes no problems no
1:11:59do you like doing what you used to do
1:12:02down there or what
1:12:06yes
1:12:10who did you work for i mean who was your
1:12:13did you help out everybody or were you
1:12:15assigned to just
1:12:17a certain person mainly jonathan adams
1:12:23okay how long do you work down there
1:12:26spring semester and you enjoy doing that
1:12:30kind of work
1:12:31yes so you should be able to help me
1:12:33right
1:12:34yes because you're on our side right yes
1:12:37all right what do you think i need to do
1:12:41i don't know there we go again with that
1:12:44i don't know
1:12:45come on now you can give me some advice
1:12:49right you can't give me some advice
1:12:56on what i should do next huh
1:13:04you can't tell me what you think i
1:13:06should do next
1:13:08i don't know well we found a body
1:13:12outside the apartment right we know that
1:13:14right yes
1:13:17you saying you didn't hear or see
1:13:20anything
1:13:21like the whole time you've been there
1:13:22over the weekend right right
1:13:24we've talked to you right right we've
1:13:27talked to most
1:13:28of all her friends is there anybody else
1:13:30we need to talk to
1:13:32that you might know that we didn't
1:13:35i don't know let's talk about the
1:13:38apartment complex anybody in that
1:13:40complex of where where anybody else we
1:13:42need to talk to
1:13:44i don't know who you have talked to
1:13:59who lives below you an older woman and
1:14:02her son
1:14:04were they home tonight or today
1:14:07i don't know you did sam no
1:14:11do you ever see him yes
1:14:17but you don't know if they were home
1:14:18today
1:14:21she doesn't have a car so it's really
1:14:25hard to tell if they're home yes you
1:14:27ever talk to her
1:14:29yes does she work anywhere
1:14:34i don't know do you ever get tired of
1:14:37saying i don't know
1:14:42hmm
1:14:48what else you got in your wallet there
1:14:50bro
1:14:52my bear card what's that used for to get
1:14:56into the building
1:15:00what else you got my bank card
1:15:07my is that kroger card you use the
1:15:10chrome
1:15:11yes
1:15:19number
1:15:23since you don't know the last time you
1:15:25were there
1:15:26i'm i'm assuming you used your card when
1:15:29you were there
1:15:30yes right i always use my card
1:15:35so i'm gonna write down a number
1:15:42you can remember that you always use
1:15:44your card but you can't remember last
1:15:45time you were there
1:15:47i always use my card well what if you
1:15:49didn't use them
1:15:52what else you got in there
1:15:55my borders card
1:16:07an ink cart
1:16:13my id
1:16:21what's that voter registration
1:16:29what's that marcia what's that mercer
1:16:32lock have card
1:16:33what's that use a free camera at home oh
1:16:35that's just the phone numbers
1:16:36numbers for cab companies here in micah
1:16:41what's that card right there
1:16:46game stop
1:16:51no phone numbers or anything yeah
1:17:03okay put your money back up and there's
1:17:06a hundred dollar bill up on there
1:17:08what do you roll with all that money you
1:17:10buy it for
1:17:11my granddaddy gave it to me
1:17:24do you take any medication no
1:17:27have you ever taken any medication no
1:17:31do you have any kind of mental problem
1:17:33no
1:17:41[Music]
1:17:43you know it's crazy i was talking to
1:17:44people that he works with and everything
1:17:46they talk about how
1:17:47he always expresses themselves he don't
1:17:50know he's very
1:17:51talkative they say you're so talkative
1:17:53buddy that you always so
1:17:55friendly you stop in and say hello and
1:17:57you've talked
1:17:58why is it that you're acting so short
1:18:00with us tonight if you if you have all
1:18:02this captive personality about you
1:18:04why is it that everything that we get
1:18:06from you is yes no or i don't know
1:18:09i don't know well you sure were talking
1:18:13to the media tonight
1:18:16weren't you
1:18:19they asked what happened yeah that's
1:18:21what we're asking you what happened
1:18:22what'd you tell them
1:18:24i told you you just knew that you didn't
1:18:26know
1:18:32do you drink it all do you drink beer no
1:18:38at least i gotta know stuff i don't know
1:18:45stephen
1:18:49you know
1:18:53we have to go to our best resources when
1:18:56we're trying to do anything
1:18:58you know it's kind of like the guy who
1:18:59wants to get his oil changed she goes to
1:19:00jackie luke
1:19:02you know what i'm saying we're looking
1:19:04for lauren and you said you were her
1:19:05friend
1:19:07on to her friend yes y'all good friends
1:19:11yes how did friends all y'all good
1:19:14friends like how good of friends
1:19:20you don't understand you don't
1:19:23understand how good our friends all are
1:19:26you don't understand what you're asking
1:19:28how good of friends are y'all
1:19:30friends are y'all close friends
1:19:34are y'all just acquaintances
1:19:38um y'all study i mean how good of
1:19:40friends y'all
1:19:42we're friends are y'all really good
1:19:44friends
1:19:46i don't know you don't know how do you
1:19:49not
1:19:50know if you're not a really good friend
1:19:51let me ask you this
1:19:53maybe you're saying that because you
1:19:55don't know how she feels about you
1:19:59how do you feel about her do you
1:20:00consider her a really good friend
1:20:04she's a friend but not a really good
1:20:07friend
1:20:09i don't know you don't know how do you
1:20:11not know
1:20:12i don't know what you mean by really
1:20:14good
1:20:17oh y'all really close no
1:20:20no you're not no so y'all you never told
1:20:23her any of your personal business
1:20:25no she ever tell you any of hers no
1:20:30you ever see her upset no
1:20:33she was always a happy person wasn't she
1:20:35yes
1:20:45why are you acting like this stephen
1:20:50you see how i'm able to talk in complete
1:20:52sentences
1:20:55like we're having a conversation but the
1:20:57only thing you're bringing to the table
1:20:58is a yes no or i don't know
1:21:05why is that stephen
1:21:10i don't understand you don't understand
1:21:13what don't you understand
1:21:17i want to be able to help you commit to
1:21:18be able to communicate with me better
1:21:20than that steven
1:21:22i feel like we can help each other
1:21:31stephen did you hurt that girl no
1:21:37do you know where she's at no
1:21:42would you tell me if you did yes
1:21:55have you lied to me at all in this
1:21:57interview no
1:21:59yes you have stephen
1:22:03you just you have when you say you don't
1:22:07know
1:22:08when the last time you cleaned your
1:22:10bathroom is
1:22:13that's a lie
1:22:16when you say you don't know the last
1:22:18time you saw her coming
1:22:20out of her apartment you don't notice
1:22:22whether or not she comes in and out
1:22:25that's another lie your door is only a
1:22:28few feet from hers
1:22:34you told some lies in this interview
1:22:36steven
1:22:40without a doubt was the last time you
1:22:43did laundry
1:22:46a few weeks ago you ain't washed clothes
1:22:48in a few weeks
1:22:50yeah why i have a lot of clothes
1:22:54no you don't that's another lie
1:23:02that's right that's three lives steven
1:23:05you don't have a lot of clothes
1:23:07yes i do no
1:23:13you got enough underwear to last you
1:23:15three weeks
1:23:16yes do you wear the same pair of
1:23:20underwear more than one day
1:23:21yes why
1:23:26because it's still clean enough to wear
1:23:35stephen i appreciate you coming down
1:23:37here today and talking to us okay
1:23:40i appreciate you cooperating with us and
1:23:44and helping us along but you've lied to
1:23:47me
1:23:48about at least three things in this
1:23:50interview
1:23:52and people don't lie unless they got
1:23:53something to hide
1:23:56why would you lie to me stephen i didn't
1:23:58lie
1:23:59sure you did you said you don't even
1:24:02notice when she comes in and out of her
1:24:04apartment
1:24:05that's a lie stephen i said i didn't
1:24:09remember the last time
1:24:11have you ever watched her go in our
1:24:12apartment no
1:24:14you've never how long y'all been
1:24:15neighbors three years
1:24:17three years and you've never watched her
1:24:19walk through her front door
1:24:21yes
1:24:25five seconds i said you ever watched her
1:24:26walk into apartment you said no
1:24:33so i'm going to ask you again if you
1:24:34ever watched her walk into her apartment
1:24:36yes when was the last time
1:24:42a long time ago how long before
1:24:45graduation
1:24:46it's been that long and you graduated
1:24:49when
1:24:50in may
1:24:56beginning of may in the main in the
1:24:58middle
1:25:00and you haven't seen her walk in her
1:25:01apartment since no
1:25:04did you ever help her carry up groceries
1:25:05and stuff like that
1:25:07no never no
1:25:10you have a helper care laundry no
1:25:16she's never needed your help with
1:25:17anything
1:25:19she asked for help with the computer you
1:25:22ever offer help with her for anything
1:25:25and stuff or anything like that yes like
1:25:28what stephen
1:25:29when she was moving out during the first
1:25:32summer
1:25:34what did you do she needed help moving
1:25:38stuff to her car
1:25:39and you helped her yes so you went out
1:25:42of her apartment moving stuff
1:25:44yes
1:25:47how long did you help her a few minutes
1:25:51that's it yes do you realize how you're
1:25:54talking right now does that not feel
1:25:56weird to you
1:25:57no would you say that this is how you
1:26:01talk all the time
1:26:04i don't understand
1:26:08you're just not expressing yourself at
1:26:11all
1:26:12everything's with you is yes no
1:26:14[Music]
1:26:15i don't remember i don't understand
1:26:22you can't help me out with anything you
1:26:24there's nothing you can tell me to help
1:26:26me about this
1:26:27beautiful girl right here stephen that
1:26:29was your friend
1:26:33nothing you're gonna let things go down
1:26:35like this
1:26:39i don't know what you want i want the
1:26:42truth stephen
1:26:44i don't know where she is let me ask you
1:26:47this
1:26:48you actually believe you don't know
1:26:50where she is right now
1:26:53where was she yesterday i don't know
1:27:02liar
1:27:08that's right you're lying
1:27:18why are you lying stephen yes you are
1:27:22lying
1:27:23how long do you continue to do it she's
1:27:26got a mother and a father and a family
1:27:27out there
1:27:28that is sick over everything
1:27:32where's that little girl stephen i don't
1:27:34know
1:27:35stephen you know
1:27:40where i don't know stephen
1:27:44you're gonna look at this right here
1:27:46this little girl right here
1:27:49and you're gonna say you don't know i
1:27:51know you know
1:27:53i don't know yes you know what are you
1:27:55gonna say tomorrow when i say we got
1:27:56your hair
1:27:57with the body what are you going to say
1:28:01to me then
1:28:04because you know like i go like that
1:28:07look at my hair that's how easy it falls
1:28:11out
1:28:11look at all that on your head you don't
1:28:14think none fell out it did
1:28:20it did stephen
1:28:24we just want to give you an opportunity
1:28:26to tell it
1:28:28so you didn't look like a monster at the
1:28:30end because you know what i don't
1:28:31believe that you're a monster stephen
1:28:34i believe that you're a good guy you've
1:28:36been picked on
1:28:37girls didn't show you the respect that
1:28:39you deserved you did something stupid
1:28:42and i believe you feel bad about it and
1:28:44that's why you're all
1:28:45freaked out right now but i'm giving you
1:28:48the opportunity to get right
1:28:50i've given you an opportunity to show
1:28:53everybody you're not a monster
1:28:54that you feel bad about what happened
1:28:57your hair is there man
1:29:00your hair is there we got your hair with
1:29:03the body
1:29:05how is that stephen i don't know
1:29:08yes you do know
1:29:13yes you do know stephen
1:29:19that's right buddy see that
1:29:24look at it
1:29:29see how easy
1:29:34it happens and it happened to you
1:29:39why stephen
1:29:43i don't understand oh you understand
1:29:47you understand exactly what i'm saying
1:29:50see this stuff right here your hair
1:29:53yeah it fell out of your head when you
1:29:54was moving the body stephen
1:30:02that's right do you remember moving the
1:30:05body
1:30:07yeah yes you do stephen
1:30:14why man what happened
1:30:20why
1:30:25tell me bud i didn't do it yes you did
1:30:28stephen
1:30:30your hands with the body quit lying
1:30:35we want you to tell it so that way
1:30:37people understand you're not a monster
1:30:38things just
1:30:39you got out of control it's a sickness
1:30:47why'd you do it stephen stephen
1:30:51why are you going to keep telling that
1:30:55you hurt that girl yes you did stephen
1:31:02you heard her man
1:31:05she was screaming
1:31:08screaming stephen
1:31:11why and i know you feel bad about it
1:31:17i can see it in your face
1:31:20what came over you man
1:31:25what happened stephen i don't know
1:31:29i know you don't know you can't you
1:31:32couldn't control it could you
1:31:34i didn't do it steven
1:31:38how long were we going to continue to do
1:31:40this you did
1:31:43why is what i want to know i didn't do
1:31:46it
1:31:51steven you hurt that girl man and you
1:31:54got on the news today
1:31:57that's right you know what you've been
1:31:59talking like this on the news buddy
1:32:09you hurt this girl no i didn't yes you
1:32:12did
1:32:15you hurt that girl
1:32:31why'd you hurt her stephen i did you
1:32:34hurt that girl
1:32:35did you try to make her have sex with
1:32:37you i didn't
1:32:40who did it they got your hair
1:32:43they steal your hair and take it over
1:32:44there
1:32:49stephen they steal your hair
1:32:55they didn't did that
1:33:00did they stephen
1:33:04that's right it's all sinking in right
1:33:07now
1:33:09he knows is what you're thinking
1:33:12stephen i don't want it to be a game
1:33:14between me and you
1:33:18i know it hurts and i know you're not an
1:33:20awful person and you want to tell
1:33:22it your hair was there stephen
1:33:25we've all known it all along
1:33:29we wanted just to give you an
1:33:30opportunity to tell what happened
1:33:36y'all have sex no
1:33:40do you try to have sex no
1:33:43you think about having sex no
1:33:46liar what kind of man doesn't think
1:33:50about having sex
1:33:56you said earlier you like girls right
1:33:59yes you said she's a pretty girl right
1:34:01yes what'd you do to her stephen
1:34:04i didn't do anything you're lying you
1:34:07hurt that girl
1:34:08no i didn't sure it didn't that's why
1:34:10you're having this massive meltdown
1:34:12right now
1:34:13because you can't live with yourself can
1:34:15you
1:34:17it's overwhelming you in it tell the
1:34:20truth stephen
1:34:21i didn't do it who did it i don't know
1:34:24yes you do stephen
1:34:44wow
1:34:46why did you hurt that girl i didn't
1:34:50why'd you hurt steve i didn't
1:35:07you heard that girl no i didn't sure you
1:35:10did
1:35:12you know it now i know it
1:35:15you just don't want to tell it steven
1:35:18but that's okay
1:35:19i know it i just wanted to give you an
1:35:21opportunity to tell it
1:35:23so people didn't think you were a
1:35:26monster
1:35:30you're not a monster are you stephen no
1:35:36i know buddy i know you're not a monster
1:35:42tell me what happened i don't know
1:35:46you tried to have sex with her no she
1:35:48didn't want to have sex with you
1:35:51i didn't do it she didn't want to have
1:35:53sex with you steve
1:35:55i don't know you don't know if she
1:35:56wanted to have sex with you
1:35:59i didn't do anything yes you did steven
1:36:08you went into her apartment stephen
1:36:13and you hurt that girl no i didn't
1:36:19you did buddy
1:36:25you heard her steven no i didn't
1:36:28you did
1:36:33why won't you tell me stephen i didn't
1:36:36do it
1:36:47take this with me you don't deserve to
1:36:48look at it
1:36:51just stay right here okay okay
1:36:55i appreciate all your cooperation
1:36:58tonight okay
1:37:04okay
1:42:18all right we're getting ready though i
1:42:19just need to discuss a few more things
1:42:21with you
1:42:23you know the reason why we're down here
1:42:25is because lauren's missing
1:42:26right yeah i just need you
1:42:30to please tell me
1:42:35give me a where you i know earlier today
1:42:39you told me you stayed home all weekend
1:42:40right in your apartment yes
1:42:46and uh did anybody see you
1:42:51did you talk to anybody over the weekend
1:42:53were you on your computer all weekend
1:42:56is there any thing i can look at
1:42:59that i can say
1:43:02he couldn't be involved because he was
1:43:05on the computer
1:43:07or he was online on a porn site or
1:43:12he was online doing college work or
1:43:14anything
1:43:16that would exclude you as being involved
1:43:19altogether i mean
1:43:21did anybody see this weekend at the
1:43:23house
1:43:24did you go out to get a newspaper
1:43:28did you wave to a neighbor or you just
1:43:30locked yourself in all week
1:43:32yes nobody saw you no
1:43:36i mean what do you just stay in the
1:43:38house all day
1:43:39yes i mean what do you do all day in the
1:43:41house
1:43:43play video games by yourself yes
1:43:47you never talk to anybody on the phone
1:43:49or anything
1:43:50if
1:43:57i mean you've always done that your
1:43:58whole life you don't have no friends
1:44:01how can you go your whole life without a
1:44:03friend
1:44:04i have friends we're there
1:44:12where that
1:44:16you have any friends here making yes
1:44:18name one because everybody i talked to
1:44:20said they ain't your friend
1:44:22brian granger cass lawson
1:44:26ashley morehouse carl and love
1:44:29the same people i talk to today and
1:44:31they're not your friends
1:44:34okay we're not your friend
1:44:44i mean it's all over anyways
1:44:51i just want to know what was going on
1:44:52tonight
1:44:56the game's over i mean
1:45:01we know what you did there so we just
1:45:02want to know what you
1:45:04if you were going to tell us or not i
1:45:06didn't do anything no
1:45:08that's what you say but we know
1:45:11different
1:45:12so you're [ __ ] either way
1:45:17you're [ __ ]
1:45:21we already know
1:45:26and everybody out there all your friends
1:45:27know that you're down here because of
1:45:30what happened alarm
1:45:32so all those friends that you thought
1:45:33you had are not your friends anymore
1:45:40okay there'll be no more video games
1:45:45all right
1:45:52this is the end
1:45:55is there anything you want to say do
1:45:58anything
1:45:59well that's what you say
1:46:03that's what you say stick to your story
1:46:07because it's over we're tired of talking
1:46:10to you
1:46:13okay we know you killed her
1:46:16we know you put her body in the trash
1:46:17can
1:46:20simple as that
1:46:24news media knows it glenda knows that
1:46:27your mother
1:46:29your sister knows it your sister's
1:46:32husband knows it
1:46:34the one that used to beat your sister he
1:46:36knows it
1:46:38you know what he said
1:46:41he said he's a crazy [ __ ] that's
1:46:43what he said
1:46:44when i called him that's your own family
1:46:48calling you crazy
1:46:53your own family said you crazy
1:47:04nobody wants to see you nobody's coming
1:47:08to visit you
1:47:13so you can sit there with that dumb look
1:47:15on your face
1:47:16but it's over
1:47:20you enjoyed yourself and it's all over
1:47:22now
1:47:25okay
1:47:29anything you want to say i don't know i
1:47:32didn't do anything well
1:47:33that's what you say but i'm telling you
1:47:36you did
1:47:38okay simple as that you're not in charge
1:47:41i am
1:47:44i just took it away from you
1:47:47that's one thing you can't change
1:47:48brother
1:47:50you can't change that
1:47:53you are no longer in charge of anything
1:48:02okay you understand that
1:48:12yeah talk to glenda
1:48:16she's crying
1:48:24she's supposed to be coming down there
1:48:30i told my whole story
1:48:35and they told me what you used to tell
1:48:36them about your next-door neighbor too
1:48:44yeah what what you can't say nothing now
1:48:50you're speechless
1:48:55yeah she should be in a little bit
1:49:00i promised her i'd let her see you and
1:49:01the kids i don't know if she's bringing
1:49:03them all or not before you go on down
1:49:06all right okay
1:49:10i didn't do anything it doesn't matter
1:49:12what you think you did
1:49:15doesn't matter what i can prove okay
1:49:22okay mr smarty pants
1:49:26hmm
1:49:29promised her i'd let her see you so i'm
1:49:31waiting on them to get out here
1:49:34all right
1:49:41okay i'm taking glenda's statement
1:49:44about what you used to tell her about
1:49:45your neighbor
1:49:50about what you tell her about your guns
1:49:52and your knives and
1:49:54your sister's husband's coming
1:49:57because he said you crazy
1:50:03your sister is married still right yes
1:50:07he used to beat her back in the day
1:50:13huh are you sitting here thinking about
1:50:16it for a little bit okay
1:50:18okay got plenty of time to think now
1:50:23don't you
1:50:25hmm
1:50:28yeah got plenty of time i think
1:50:32you thought you were smarter than
1:50:33everybody else but you're not
1:50:38you're not
1:50:42the sad thing about it is you probably
1:50:43could have made something with your life
1:50:46but you chose a different route because
1:50:48one
1:50:49you don't have a girlfriend and two
1:50:52you're never gonna get a girlfriend
1:51:06i'm listening
1:51:09i'm all ears i don't know what you want
1:51:13me to say
1:51:15don't you say nothing you're [ __ ]
1:51:18either way
1:51:23do you understand that i didn't do
1:51:25anything
1:51:28that's what you that's your sales story
1:51:36that's your south star
1:51:46works both ways brother
1:51:50there's both ways
1:51:53ain't gonna be no more yelling ain't
1:51:56nobody gonna yell at you
1:51:58they're gonna come in here and cry kiss
1:52:01you goodbye
1:52:03i'm gonna take their statement and it's
1:52:06all over
1:52:10you do understand that right i didn't do
1:52:13anything
1:52:14that's what you say
1:52:19that's what you say because you haven't
1:52:21told us anytime
1:52:30do you realize what i'm telling you
1:52:35um
1:52:39okay well you sit there and think about
1:52:41it a little bit okay
1:52:42i'll come back and check on
1:52:58thought you were smarter than everybody
1:53:02but you [ __ ] up
1:53:06you [ __ ] up somebody always leaves
1:53:10something a crime scene
1:53:13you [ __ ] up
1:53:22you [ __ ] it up
1:53:26first i didn't really believe you had
1:53:27anything to do with it
1:53:35they said man it couldn't have been him
1:53:37he used to work down dies off with us
1:53:38he's a good guy
1:53:41he used to help us out friendly guy and
1:53:44everything
1:53:46couldn't be him he could have done
1:53:47something like that
1:54:05well we're through talking to you
1:54:08just waiting for them to come visit you
1:54:15are you through with your little show
1:54:16you've been putting on all day
1:54:18huh are you three
1:54:28you're not gonna win
1:54:31too much evidence
1:54:35too much evidence
1:54:46i appreciate you talking to me though
1:54:47just hang tight look glitter to be down
1:54:48here in the middle
1:54:50all of these will take her to drive down
1:54:52interstate
1:54:53i don't know okay
1:55:00[Music]
1:55:02okay
1:55:16one
2:01:41you

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