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0:01all right brother
0:03all right brother
0:07all right
0:09i just got to ask you a few
0:11questions
0:13you came down earlier tonight me and you
0:15talked all right
0:16you don't have any weapons on you do you
0:18yeah that's just you what's wrong
0:21you know detective patterson right yes
0:24do you remember put your hands up here
0:25you remember us talking
0:27earlier tonight
0:28right
0:29you remember me earlier in the day yes
0:32we came down here and talked a little
0:34bit and then we left yes okay i need to
0:37know
0:38about this girl right here you know
0:42yeah who is that lauren gettings
0:45does she live next door to you yes
0:50when's the last time you seen her
0:52two or three weeks ago
0:55okay was you friends with lauren yes
0:58look at me when you talk to me son okay
1:01was you friends with her yes close
1:03friends
1:05we were good i mean you all were friends
1:07right both of you all students you're
1:09studying to be an attorney right yes
1:11what kind of law do you want to go into
1:12criminal law yes is that what you want
1:15to do for a living yes okay
1:18are you almost finished yes okay so you
1:21don't have too much more to do right no
1:23all right
1:25are you going to stay here in macon i
1:27don't know
1:28did you used to work at the district
1:30attorney's office in macon yes was you
1:32on the
1:33prosecutor side or the defense side
1:36prosecutor so you were on our side
1:39right you never worked on the other side
1:41no did you like it when you were down
1:43there yes
1:45uh got along with everybody yes okay
1:50and you've lived next to lauren for a
1:51long time
1:53yes okay do you know where she's at
1:55tonight
1:56no
1:58no have you ever seen her with that
2:00dress on
2:02no
2:04you have no idea where she's at
2:07no
2:08okay
2:10oh
2:18yes
2:32okay my major didn't do that but okay
2:35all right
2:36all right
2:40look
2:42just tell me what happened brother
2:44i don't know
2:46where's she at i need you i'm asking you
2:48for your help
2:50i'm a detective and i'm asking you for
2:52your help
2:54okay i'm asking you for help
2:57i need your help can you help me
3:01i don't know
3:03you don't know if you can help me
3:05yes
3:06i need your help
3:08help me out tell me what to do
3:10has anybody asked you for help today
3:14i need your i'm asking you
3:16as a friend for help
3:21can you help me
3:22i don't know
3:25what do you mean you don't know
3:27you can't help a friend out
3:28i don't know what you need i need to
3:30know where lauren's at
3:32i don't know
3:33when's the last time you seen her
3:35two or three weeks ago
3:38has anybody have you ever seen anybody
3:39over her house last couple nights
3:42no
3:43okay
3:44if you knew where she was would you tell
3:46me
3:47yes
3:51what do you think happened to her
3:53i don't know
4:00do you even care that no one can find
4:02her yes
4:06i mean i don't know do you yes
4:16do you have a girlfriend
4:18no
4:20did you think lauren was your girlfriend
4:22no
4:29i mean
4:32you said you didn't have any other cars
4:34right
4:35right
4:37why would your everybody you went to
4:39school with for the last three and four
4:41years said
4:43that you own another car other than that
4:46geoprism
4:47everybody i've talked to
4:49all your friends you were in school with
4:52people that you worked at the district
4:53attorney's office with said you have
4:55other cars other than that car
4:58and you're gonna sit here today and tell
4:59me you don't have another car i don't
5:02where's that
5:04i don't have one
5:06you never had another car besides that
5:07geoprism so if i call your granddaddy
5:10he's going to tell me
5:12that you only have one car yes
5:15what's his phone number i don't know
5:18yeah because i already have his mom
5:22you don't know a phone number no
5:27hmm
5:34i mean you seriously can't help us out
5:38his number is in my cell phone where's
5:40the start where's your cell phone at the
5:42apartment in your apartment
5:45i mean it's kind of like to be calling
5:47him does he stay up late
5:49i don't know
5:53do you have a grandmother or just him
5:55my grandmother passed away a while back
5:58yes
6:00but you're close to your grandfather
6:02right
6:03yes
6:04i mean johnny on some property or
6:06something he said a couple of acres
6:09my granddaddy or my grandfather
6:13who lives in pike county my granddaddy
6:16does he own any land down there yes okay
6:19and just sometimes you go down to visit
6:21him or something
6:23last time we met
6:24i went down and visited with my aunt and
6:27uncle
6:30what did he do for a living was he an
6:31attorney like you
6:33he worked for the southern railroad
6:35company
6:36is anybody in your family an attorney no
6:38you're the only one that went through
6:40law school yes
6:43well that's an accomplishment don't you
6:45think
6:46yes i mean it took a long time right
6:49yes
6:50a lot a lot of studying
7:00i think you told me earlier you were
7:01from up atlanta or
7:03did you live in atlanta or griffin or
7:05something like that
7:08you don't have any family left up there
7:10yes well who lives up there my parents
7:13okay
7:14any brothers or sisters
7:16my sister lives in tucker
7:19georgia yes
7:21what's up with a pair of underwear that
7:22was in your apartment
7:25that was like a mask it was cut out like
7:27a mask do you
7:29you cut underwear out to look like mask
7:32no
7:34how many guns did you have in your
7:36apartment
7:37three
7:39what are they do you know what they are
7:42a rifle
7:43what kind of rifle did you have
7:45an ak semi-automatic
7:48where'd you buy it from
7:49classic arms
7:51is that atlanta or something online
7:54okay
7:56what kind of pistols do you own
7:58eaa witness
8:00full size and compact okay
8:04what is that what about the one that was
8:05on the bed
8:06that's the full size that's the full
8:08size one where's the what was the other
8:10one the compact where was that
8:13on the table by the bed
8:16yeah remember i was in there
8:19then you had that samurai sword
8:21yes that was just a i mean that's not ex
8:24it's an expensive sword or it's just a
8:26knockoff it's just one of the knock-off
8:27swords yes and what about the knife
8:31which
8:32the big one that was remember you showed
8:33me it was dull
8:35yes what kind of knife is that because i
8:37don't know
8:38kukri
8:40where do you get something like that
8:41online
8:42i bought it from a friend
8:45did you have any other knives in the
8:46house
8:47yes
8:48that i didn't see because you didn't
8:50show me no other knives that's the only
8:51one you showed me what other knife did i
8:53miss there's a pocket knife that's on
8:55the table
8:56are you a knife collector or a knife
8:58person or no
9:01you just like knives i used to collect
9:04swords i mean do you know your swords
9:07yeah i mean to sell and trade swords no
9:10but you just
9:11bought here and there yes but you
9:13wouldn't consider yourself like a sword
9:15expert no
9:17okay because you know they have that tv
9:19show where they sell stuff you know
9:21at night
9:22on tv but
9:24i don't know what it's called the knife
9:25shop or something like that
9:28have you ever seen what i'm talking
9:29about i don't know if you have cable tv
9:31or not
9:33all right
9:38oh
9:39you know tonight
9:43we're still looking for lauren
9:46you know any of these other girls in
9:47this picture
9:53i know that she goes to the law school
9:55and i can't remember her name so she's
9:57still gonna be an attorney too yes
10:00okay
10:02is that how lauren looked with the long
10:04hair the last time you seen her
10:07yes
10:08that's how she looks yes
10:20oh this was in 2010
10:32hmm
10:38who do you think
10:40took lauren away
10:41i don't know well i need your
10:44help can you
10:46give me some what what is your
10:48observation of this
10:51i know you're smarter
10:53okay
10:55i know you have
10:57an observation you can tell me what's
11:00what do you think happened to her
11:02i think someone took her
11:08if you think
11:12i mean you watch tv shows right like you
11:14take the show
11:15what's your observation how do you think
11:18somebody would take her if somebody did
11:20take her
11:21when she was running
11:24does she normally run all the time
11:26she runs i don't know how often
11:30you mean you think somebody might have
11:31took her when she was running like down
11:33the street somewhere
11:35yes
11:38you don't think somebody got her when
11:40she got back to her apartment
11:42i don't know
11:47well you know there was a body found in
11:48the trash can next to the apartments
11:51yes you do know that
11:53and it's a female white female's body
11:57right there
11:59right next to y'all's apartment
12:02feet within from her apartment
12:07i mean
12:12we don't know 100 sure it's lauren
12:16but we're pretty confident it is
12:19we're waiting for some tests to be done
12:22to be 100 sure
12:25i mean who would who would
12:27do something to somebody throw them in a
12:28trash can
12:30i don't know i'm asking for your advice
12:33or your observation
12:35who in your complex
12:38would do something like that you live
12:40over there for three years
12:42that's tonight's the first night i think
12:44i've ever been over there
12:46in your expert opinion
12:50of all your knowledge of going through
12:52law school and all that
12:55who in that complex do i need to talk to
12:59i don't know
13:01no names come to mind you can't help me
13:03out a little bit
13:09you can't help me out
13:11i don't know
13:12you don't know anybody
13:16at all
13:20losing that complex
13:22you know earlier you told me about a guy
13:24that lived in an apartment 15.
13:28i mean is he a decent guy
13:30i think so
13:32don't y'all have a laundry room there or
13:34something
13:35yeah that everybody has access to the
13:37laundry room
13:38yes
13:40has anybody been working on the
13:42apartments
13:43below you
13:44in the last couple weeks that you've
13:46noticed
13:47i haven't seen anyone
13:51but you don't
13:52you don't know if they've been doing
13:54work on that apartment number one
13:56no
14:02i mean earlier today me and you sit here
14:04and talk normal what's going on with you
14:06now why are you acting like this
14:09i need to know
14:11why all of a sudden you're acting like
14:13this
14:16i don't understand okay
14:18earlier today we sat here and talked
14:22but now you're acting like you don't
14:24know what's going on
14:28hmm
14:32when did something happen or something
14:34to you
14:38i mean why are you not why are you
14:40shutting down why are you not talking to
14:41me
14:43i don't know you don't know are you
14:45scared
14:47no
14:50i mean you're not scared are you
14:52no
14:55are you sad that something happened
14:56alarm if that's her in that trash can
14:59yes
15:07once last time you said you
15:10can't remember the last time earlier
15:12today that you took the trash out to the
15:13trash can
15:15right am i wrong
15:17right i mean because you said you like
15:19stayed inside the whole
15:22the whole weekend i think because you
15:23had all your food and all that
15:26you never went to kroger over the
15:27weekend or
15:29walmart or anything
15:31i don't remember
15:34but you could have
15:36i don't know
15:37when you go to kroger when you do go to
15:40the store to get your food do you use a
15:42credit card or you pay cash
15:44cash
15:45do you have a kroger card
15:47yes
15:48okay so the crowler card should be able
15:50to tell if you were
15:51at kroger this weekend right yes
16:01did you swipe your car to just enter
16:02your
16:03cell phone number they scan it well
16:06cause i ain't on my phone though because
16:08i can't
16:09never remember to bring my car
16:13but you don't remember if you went over
16:15the back you drive your car you walk
16:17over there i drive
16:20you ever go to walmart on the east town
16:22the great highway or which walmart do
16:25you go to when you go to walmart grey
16:27highway you don't ever go out to zeblin
16:29road
16:30i don't think so
16:32you never been out there you know
16:33where's evelyn wrote the new walmart
16:36no you don't
16:38so you just basically go to long grail
16:41yes
16:42okay
16:44do you know where you're at tonight
16:46yes where are you at
16:48detective bureau okay
16:53and you know why
16:55we've been working all day trying to
16:56find lauren right
16:58yes because her family wants to know
17:00where she's at
17:01yes and i don't know what to tell her
17:03family
17:05so i'm asking you what do i need to tell
17:07her family
17:08i don't know
17:11what do you want me to tell them i don't
17:12know
17:14huh
17:17you're gonna have to tell me what to
17:18tell her family
17:20it's all on you brother
17:23what do you want me to tell her family
17:28i don't know well i need to know
17:32i need to know
17:35okay
17:39something happened to lord and you know
17:41you need to tell me
17:45if you know something
17:47because i need to know
17:49because their families down here
17:52want to know what happened to her
17:55i don't know
18:01you don't know
18:03no that's what you want me to tell her
18:05mother and her father
18:07that you don't know
18:09i don't know not that you're sorry that
18:11she's missing i thought you've been
18:13trying to help me all day find her but
18:15you just wanted me to tell her i don't
18:17know
18:19i don't know are you a sorry piece of
18:21[ __ ] that you want me to tell her that
18:26you got your ass on that [ __ ] news
18:29and stood out there
18:31and gave a media report that her mother
18:34saw
18:37about her missing daughter
18:41and you want me to sit there and tell
18:42them that you don't know
18:46is that what you want me to tell them
18:48because you're all over the news
18:52you sure stood out there and ran your
18:53mouth to the news media but now you're
18:56going to get out here and you don't
18:58[ __ ] know
19:00you know
19:02you're just a sorry piece of [ __ ]
19:04that don't give a [ __ ]
19:08right
19:09yeah
19:10well why'd you tell the media everything
19:13do you need to see what you told the
19:14media today
19:16it was on 11 o'clock news well i'm
19:18asking you
19:20tell me i want to
19:23i don't know where she is that ain't
19:26what you told the media
19:31you didn't stand in front of that camera
19:32and say i don't know
19:35i don't know
19:37i don't know
19:48right
19:50you buy all these weapons was you ever
19:52in the military no
19:56what do you need all these weapons for
19:58are you scared somebody's going to hurt
20:00you
20:01no
20:02what do you need all these weapons for
20:06why there's a reason why
20:09were you molested as a child
20:11no
20:12then why do you need all these weapons
20:15to have why
20:17give me one good reason
20:20just give me one reason
20:22to have why
20:24does it make you feel important
20:26no
20:29are you a big guy because you got a
20:31weapon no
20:33do you even know how to use it
20:35yes
20:38i need you to tell me what you want me
20:40to tell her mother
20:42and that i want to ask you another thing
20:44i'm not going to tell her mother that
20:45you don't know because her mother saw
20:47you on the news tonight
20:50and she cried all the way down to making
20:53because you had the balls to get on the
20:55news and tell everybody everything
21:00you didn't have no problem talking to
21:02the news when they asked you questions
21:06i'm asking you questions
21:09where's lauren
21:11i don't know yes you do know
21:14you do know
21:18you do know
21:19you know
21:22you know
21:25you do know
21:29and everybody in macon knows you knows
21:31because you got your sorry ass on the
21:32news and told everybody
21:35so every friend you have in making
21:38knows that you know
21:44everybody go to school with
21:46every one of your professors
21:48everybody
21:50those that you know
21:52because you got on the news tonight
21:54and told everybody that you know
21:58now how do you think
22:05you think you're gonna be a walk down
22:06the street tomorrow and nobody bother
22:07you
22:10hmm nobody's going to come over and
22:12knock on your door
22:15to see if you want to talk to me again
22:19no oh they're going to be over there
22:21brother
22:24so this little act that you're doing
22:26right now
22:28ain't working with me
22:30okay because you didn't have no problem
22:33talking to the media
22:38no problem
22:40so you just snap out of it and tell me
22:43what the hell happened
22:45so we can move on
22:48i don't know well
22:51how many times you gonna say i don't
22:52know
22:54huh
22:56how many times you gonna say it
23:01what are you gonna say i remember
23:04i don't wanna remember what happened to
23:06her
23:08how many times you gonna say that
23:12if you did something
23:16that you regret
23:19you let me
23:20know
23:22i didn't
23:24well who did
23:25i don't know
23:27well
23:28a body was found over here right next to
23:30where you live
23:33what do you have in your
23:34apartments a lot of knives
23:39a lot of guns
23:42right
23:43yes
23:52and i'm asking you
23:55about it and you're just saying i don't
23:56know
23:58that's all that's the only answer you
23:59can give is i don't know
24:01it's six hours or a couple hours ago you
24:03was out there telling the media
24:04everything you didn't stand in front of
24:06that camera and say i don't know
24:08you were actually answering questions
24:12right
24:15how many interviews you give
24:17three
24:18i don't know
24:19well you gave like three
24:23do you think that was a proper thing to
24:24do
24:25when a mother's looking for her child
24:28they asked me what happened
24:30and what did you tell him
24:33what did you tell her
24:35that lauren was missing okay what else
24:37did you tell
24:39that we had gone looking for her
24:42okay
24:44and what and that we hadn't found
24:49what else did they asked you
24:51i don't remember why don't you remember
24:55i don't you're telling me
24:59that you went through law school
25:02well you went through college first
25:03right you graduated from college yes now
25:06you're in law school do you graduate
25:07from law school yeah but you don't
25:09[ __ ] remember what they asked you
25:10this afternoon no
25:12huh i just don't [ __ ] believe that
25:15[ __ ]
25:18don't came back yet
25:21what's up buddy
25:24did you talk to him about his guns yeah
25:27when was the last time you shot those
25:28guns i haven't you've never shot a gun
25:31no have you ever shot any gun in your
25:33whole life
25:34no
25:35no
25:36no
25:39so you bought three guns that you've
25:40never shot yes
25:43why
25:44to have
25:45for what
25:47to have
25:48for what i'm asking for what
25:52why do you want to have them what makes
25:53did they give you i mean tell me why
25:55it's important to you to have three guns
26:03that's an easy question
26:05come on talk to me buddy me and you
26:07talked all day today we ain't had a
26:09problem communicate
26:11why is it important for you to have
26:12three guns
26:18do you not know
26:19no
26:20okay
26:22um
26:23you got a girlfriend
26:24no
26:26who's your best friend
26:28michael quinn michael who quinn who was
26:31he
26:32he was a law student with me
26:34is he is he still a law student no he
26:38graduated
26:39when was the last time you talked to him
26:41before he moved up to boston how long
26:44ago was that a few weeks a few weeks
26:47like a month two months two weeks three
26:49weeks what
26:52of june beginning of june
26:55beginning of
26:57june
26:59okay
26:59[Music]
27:02so let me ask you a question how
27:04you say you don't know what lauren is
27:06right
27:07right
27:09you said you told me earlier you and
27:10lauren were friends right
27:12yes
27:13how would you describe y'all's
27:15relationship
27:16she was my friend
27:18she was your friend
27:20what
27:21did you ever do things for she ever do
27:23things for you what did she ever do for
27:24you
27:26we talked we talked what'd y'all talk
27:29about
27:30news the news
27:34um
27:36earlier you were telling me something
27:37about you fixed your computer before
27:40i couldn't fix it you couldn't fix it
27:43what was wrong with it
27:44i don't remember how long ago was that
27:50around graduation well how long ago was
27:53that
27:54middle of may middle of may
27:57so you were over in her apartment in the
27:58middle of may
27:59yes have you been over there since then
28:02yes when was the last time you were over
28:04there last night
28:06before last night have you ever been
28:08over there with lauren
28:10since the time you worked on her
28:12computer in the middle of may
28:13no
28:14how many times have you been in her
28:16apartment with her hanging out
28:26you don't know
28:30if you had to guess
28:32what was just i mean
28:34one time two times three times what
28:39maybe two maybe two see if i had only
28:42been somewhere twice
28:44i could remember that if i had been
28:46there
28:48over 50 times and you asked me how many
28:50times i've been like i don't know a lot
28:52but the fact that you've only been there
28:53twice when i say how many times been you
28:55say you don't know
28:56that's just odd to me
28:58does that make sense to you
29:01yes that does make sense so what i'm
29:03saying right now makes sense
29:05no
29:11when was the last time you saw a lawn
29:13two or three weeks ago and you have you
29:16been on vacation for the last couple
29:17weeks no you've been home every night
29:20yes has she been at home every night i
29:23don't know has she been on vacation
29:26i think she was away for a while
29:29how long
29:30i don't know
29:31what you looking for
29:33no
29:35let me tell you even if i didn't talk to
29:37my neighbors
29:39i know if my neighbors have been in and
29:42out i hear them come in i hear them go
29:43out i see them when they walk by my
29:45window i've lived in apartments most of
29:47my life
29:48so the fact that you haven't seen her in
29:50two or three weeks that's just odd to me
29:54it makes me feel like you're not being
29:55honest with me steven
30:00why would you not be honest with me i am
30:02being honest stephen it just doesn't
30:04feel like it buddy
30:06you know i get the sense that
30:11there's something weighing heavy on your
30:12heart right now
30:14and it's breaking you down
30:18and you feel bad about it
30:20i can tell you haven't slept much have
30:23you in the last few days have you
30:26no
30:27like something's weighing on your mind
30:28ain't it
30:29we were looking for lauren
30:31you started looking for lauren yesterday
30:34yes but you haven't slept in several
30:35days have you
30:37yes you have
30:39yes earlier when i talked to you you
30:41said you hadn't slept in days that this
30:43morning was the first time he was able
30:44to get any sleep was this morning for a
30:46little bit
30:47no
30:49yes that's what you said
30:53that's what you told me
30:59so i asked you well if you haven't been
31:00able to sleep in several days what have
31:01you been doing studying and you said
31:02yeah studying
31:06you don't remember that
31:07no
31:16what i want you to do
31:18i'm going to ask you this question
31:20i want you to describe to me how you
31:22feel right now
31:33you don't know how to answer that with a
31:34yes or no do you
31:36i don't know what's going on
31:42lauren's missing
31:45this pretty little girl right here
31:48your neighbor
31:52she's missing
31:55i know
31:56you went looking for her last night
31:59yes
32:01did you hurt lauren
32:03no
32:04stephen did you hurt lauren
32:06no
32:08i know this is hard for you to tell it
32:12but it's weighing on you right now ain't
32:13it steven
32:15i didn't do it
32:17but i know you could probably help me
32:19with who did
32:23can't you buddy i don't know
32:29steven you know
32:31and i mean you both know it's no
32:33different than when you was a little kid
32:35right
32:37and you reached in that cookie jar and
32:39you got caught after your mama told you
32:40not to get that cookie
32:42you want you did you get a cookie
32:44no
32:45and whenever you tell a lie
32:47you feel bad about it right then one
32:50with every lie there's a chance you're
32:52gonna get caught
32:55and that weighs on you
32:58because you know you did something bad
33:02am i right
33:04i didn't do it you didn't take the
33:06cookie
33:08no
33:14what'd you do buddy
33:19i didn't do anything
33:21would you do the lord
33:23i didn't do anything
33:25you saw lauren last night though
33:27yesterday
33:29no
33:30what time was it that she went out to do
33:32a laundry
33:33i don't know
33:35where were you at
33:36yesterday at home
33:39what'd you do at home
33:41tell me everything you did yesterday
33:44from the time you woke up to the time
33:46you went to sleep
33:51i checked the news at what time
33:55i don't remember was it yesterday
33:57morning
33:59i don't remember what'd you do when you
34:00woke up
34:03i think i checked the news all right you
34:06check the news okay
34:15what'd you do after that
34:19i watched some videos online
34:23did you clean up
34:25no
34:26you didn't
34:28no
34:30you smell like you've been cleaning up
34:31like you've been using cleaner to clean
34:32up i know that smells like my wife
34:35smells like that all the time when she
34:37cleans the house
34:39you've been using some kind of cleaner
34:40to clean up your apartment haven't you
34:42no
34:43steven you telling me you live like a
34:45medic how does your apartment get
34:47cleaned
34:49i cleaned it okay
34:51when was the last time you cleaned it
34:52stephen
34:54i don't remember
34:56was it this week
34:57no you mean you go a whole week without
34:59cleaning
35:00yes wow
35:03that's horrible stephen
35:05was it possibly over the weekend last
35:07weekend
35:08no
35:09it wasn't
35:11if you can't remember
35:14then how is it that you can tell me that
35:15you didn't clean up your apartment last
35:17weekend
35:19a minute ago you couldn't remember
35:25i don't remember cleaning last weekend
35:29so you it isn't that you didn't
35:31it's that you just don't remember
35:36right
35:43help me out buddy
35:45right
35:47i don't understand
35:49just don't understand
35:58i don't know how else to say it stephen
36:00let me tell you what i think
36:03i think that she was a friend of yours
36:06look at her right here
36:08i think that she was a friend of yours
36:12and i think something happened stephen
36:20you used to watch her come in and out of
36:22her apartment didn't you
36:24no
36:26i mean then how were y'all friends if
36:28y'all were if me and you friends we live
36:30next door to each other
36:32every time i see look at what i see oh
36:34that's my buddy going in
36:36because we're friends i'm gonna pay
36:38attention to when you come in and out
36:40didn't you just tell me that y'all were
36:42friends
36:43yes
36:44but you don't even pay attention when
36:46she came in and out
36:47no
36:49stephen you're lying
36:51now you're lying
36:53just lying that's a lie
36:57you you ever see her come in and out of
36:59her apartment
37:00yes you did when was the last time
37:05you don't remember like last week maybe
37:09i don't think so you don't think so
37:13stephen you understand that everything
37:15that you're saying
37:16doesn't make any sense at all
37:18none
37:20none
37:22you totally contradict
37:24everything
37:25that relates to human behavior
37:28we have skills to be able to observe
37:30things to hear things to see things
37:32there are natural things out there that
37:34draw our attention every day such as
37:36when you're driving down the road if
37:37somebody hits the horn you look around
37:40you know what i'm saying
37:41that's just a natural reaction
37:43if you're sitting in your living room
37:45you hear the door stand next to you you
37:47automatically think my neighbor's home
37:50right
37:51you're you're telling me that those kind
37:53of things don't happen in your life
37:57you asked if i watched
37:59i didn't watch
38:01have you noticed that she's came in and
38:02out of her house in the last week or two
38:06i don't remember
38:16what do you remember steven
38:19the last time i saw her was two or three
38:21weeks ago
38:22dude
38:24she was going out running when i was
38:26coming in where were you coming in from
38:29bar preparation bar preparation
38:33what's the bar preparation
38:35oh you're preparing for the bar exam yes
38:38okay
38:41well how y'all doing
38:43we're just talking
38:45he doesn't seem to
38:46remember a whole lot
38:50everything's yes or no or i don't
38:53remember
38:55a lot of things aren't making anything i
38:57gotta be honest with you stephen
38:59me personally
39:01i don't feel like you're being honest
39:04okay
39:06well steve you said you're gonna help me
39:07out right
39:09with this investigation because we
39:10needed your help we're asking you for
39:12help
39:13right that's what we remember i told you
39:15that yes
39:17and you told me you're gonna help me
39:19yeah right
39:20you're gonna help me find lauren right
39:22yes
39:24and ask for your opinion your
39:25observation of what happened or to her
39:29right
39:30what did you tell me
39:32i thought someone snatched her
39:35right
39:37where do you think someone might have
39:39snatched her from
39:41if you're the detective you're the
39:43police detective
39:45it's your investigation
39:47where would you start your investigation
39:51i don't know
39:53come on now
39:55you watch tv right
39:57yes okay
39:59you made it through college right
40:01yes you made it just about through law
40:03school right yes
40:05so you should know
40:08where would you start your investigation
40:12where she was last seen okay
40:16so in this case where was she last seen
40:20at garen's house
40:21garen
40:23that's the guy who lives up on
40:25the street right friend of hers yes okay
40:31all right and that was on
40:33i think she left there on saturday
40:35morning
40:36yes am i right okay
40:39now
40:41where do you think she went from
40:43their house
40:46all right you're the detective now
40:48right
40:49it's your
40:50case what would you do
40:54check at her home
40:55okay
40:57we did that
40:59you know
41:00that's what we did today right
41:03you saw us out there when we knocked on
41:05your door
41:06she's not there
41:12you know i need your help in finding her
41:17what do we need to do what do we need to
41:20do that we haven't done
41:23i don't know
41:24you don't know
41:28so if you had this case you wouldn't be
41:29able to solve is that what you're saying
41:31because you're not smart enough to solve
41:33it
41:34i don't know or you think you're smart
41:36enough to be a detective
41:38i don't know no
41:42you got to be killing me stephen
41:46stephen
41:47so
41:48stephen listen to me
41:51we're real people and we're here to talk
41:53to you we're trying we're
41:56i like to think that we're friends okay
41:59friends communicate back and forth the
42:01only thing you said is yes or no and i
42:03don't know
42:05okay
42:06it makes me feel like you're treating me
42:08like you don't like me
42:10and i feel like i've looked out for you
42:11today
42:12everything you said you wanted i've
42:14given you i've tried to give you food
42:16several times
42:17you know i feel like we talked you told
42:20me about how you like to look at porn on
42:21the internet
42:23um
42:24you expressed to me that you're a virgin
42:25correct yes i mean that's the kind of
42:27stuff you tell friends you know what i'm
42:29saying
42:30right
42:31yes we n we need to know where your
42:34other car is i know you have i already
42:35know you own another car okay i don't
42:38know yes you do do you use another car
42:40you have another car it's not your name
42:45you've been using somebody else's car
42:49everyone i interviewed today say you
42:51have another car
42:53these people aren't making this up
42:56you have another vehicle
42:59no i don't
43:01so your grandfather's a liar
43:04is that what you're saying
43:07you're calling your grandfather a liar i
43:09just talked to him
43:11and he said you own another car
43:13i don't
43:18so he's lied to me
43:20stephen we're telling way too many lies
43:23so you're telling me they're willing to
43:24tell me
43:26that you're a virgin and that you you
43:28told me you jack off the point on the
43:30internet but you don't want to admit to
43:31having another car that makes me think
43:33you got something to hide stephen that
43:35concerns me
43:37you tell me things that most people
43:39wouldn't tell somebody else but yet you
43:41lie about something why are you trying
43:42to hide that you have another car what's
43:44the big deal i don't have it i got three
43:46cars
43:48you do no i don't it's not a truck what
43:50happened to it i've never had another
43:53car that's the only car you've ever had
43:54in macon yes okay let me go talk to him
43:57again cause that's not what he's saying
44:07stephen
44:12what happened to lauren
44:14yeah
44:15you like her don't you
44:17she's my friend did you ever think about
44:19having sex with him no
44:21you never tried to talk to her on a
44:24dating level
44:25let me go talk they got his grandfather
44:27let me go talk to make sure
44:29that
44:31he owns another car because he's telling
44:33us he doesn't
44:40be right
44:42so you're telling me you see that pretty
44:44girl right there
44:45yes
44:46you're telling me you looked at a pretty
44:47girl like that you never once thought
44:50ever
44:50man
44:53she looks good
44:56you never thought that
45:02i don't understand
45:06what do you mean you don't understand
45:08did you know when you're sitting there
45:09you see a girl walking down the road
45:12and he said man that girl looks good
45:14you'll see a good looking girl while you
45:15think yourself man that girl looks good
45:18yes
45:19you never thought that about her
45:21yes
45:23so you mean to tell me you look at porn
45:25on the internet
45:28and get off to that but you never looked
45:30at her and said man i wonder what it'd
45:32be like to have sex with her
45:33yes you have
45:35no
45:40have you ever thought about what it
45:41would be like to have sex with lawrence
45:43no
45:44you've never imagined having sex long no
45:47have you ever had sexual arm no
45:53what do you know about that body we
45:54found today
45:55i don't know
45:57you don't know
46:09what if i told you
46:14that i believe that you do know
46:17i don't what if i told you that i could
46:18prove it
46:21i don't know you don't know
46:24is there a chance
46:27but you do admit there's a chance
46:30that i possibly have evidence to show
46:32that you do have something to do with
46:34that body correct
46:36i don't know you don't know
46:40because if i hadn't done anything
46:42i'd say nope there's no way
46:46but you say you don't know why is that
46:48why do you say you don't know is there a
46:50chance that maybe something's there
46:52no
46:53why did you say you don't know
46:55because i don't know because you're
46:57worried about something maybe something
46:58that happened
46:59that maybe something got mixed up with
47:01something and you're worried about that
47:03no
47:04no why do you say i don't know
47:06because i don't know
47:10would you not know
47:15if i was asking you did you just rob a
47:17bank if you didn't you'd say no not i
47:20don't know right
47:22right
47:23so why do you say i don't know
47:25because i don't know you don't know if
47:27you had anything to do with that body i
47:29didn't
47:31you didn't no are you sure
47:34yes
47:35what if i said i could prove that you
47:37did
47:39i don't know
47:43could you explain it
47:45i don't know
47:48today you told an
47:50investigator that you were worried
47:55about as possibly finding blood in your
47:57apartment
47:58didn't you
48:00i don't remember you did
48:03now why would you be worried about that
48:08we all looked in lauren's apartment
48:10did you see blood
48:12no then what would make you think that
48:14that there was blood taken over there
48:17nothing would make you think that unless
48:19you saw it
48:20because see i didn't see no blood
48:25none of the other lord's friends saw
48:26blood but i know now that blood was
48:29there
48:31and now i believe you saw it
48:35you saw that blood
48:37you know that blood was there and that's
48:40why you're worried about it
48:42no
48:45did you know why do you have blood up in
48:47the inside of your nose
48:49i don't know
48:57you don't know
49:00but you saw that blood that's the only
49:02way that you would be worried about it
49:04because that's like saying
49:07i'm worried about
49:11red roses being under my pillow
49:14but yet i never put them there that
49:16doesn't make any sense you know
49:18um
49:19your brain doesn't even think to operate
49:22like that unless you knew something was
49:24there
49:26does that make sense
49:28that makes sense to you're a smart guy
49:30right
49:33i don't understand
49:38you knew that there was blood in that
49:40apartment
49:41no
49:42yes you did stephen
49:46yes you did
49:50there's blood in your apartment
49:52stephen
49:57that's right
49:59there's blood in your apartment
50:02stephen this is hard buddy i know this
50:05is hard
50:07and i can tell it's only you want to let
50:09it go
50:10there's blood in your apartment stephen
50:12you didn't get it all up
50:15it didn't all come off
50:17you scrubbed and you wiped
50:19but we can tell that don't you watch csi
50:26yeah we know it
50:33stephen
50:35why is there blood in your bathroom
50:38i don't know yes you do know why stephen
50:42has anybody else been in your bathroom
50:45the police were in there other than the
50:47police
50:49who else has been in there
50:52no one that i know no one
50:55and you recently cleaned your bathroom
50:57didn't you no how long ago
51:00i don't know a couple days ago
51:03no
51:04over the weekend
51:05no
51:06no you don't know
51:08i don't remember cleaning it do you use
51:11drugs no you ever use acid no
51:15are you you're on medication no
51:28you're lying stephen
51:30i wanted to give you an opportunity to
51:32tell it
51:34i wanted to be here with you
51:37to go through that process because i
51:39know you're not a monster man
51:42i know you're not a bad guy
51:45you're just a hard-working student
51:46trying to pass a bar as i mentioned
51:49you got a lot of support from your
51:50family do you
51:51yes you do
51:54a lot of people can't say that
51:56and the fact that you do have support
51:58from your family
52:00should make things easier your family
52:02wants to feel like they've raised
52:03somebody that tells the truth and is
52:05honest right
52:06yes
52:07did you hurt that girl steven no
52:11have you ever heard anyone stephen
52:14no
52:28never hurt anyone
52:30no i've heard people stephen
52:35i've made mistakes in my life
52:38it's not even normal to say you've never
52:39heard anybody
52:41sometimes people get mad and they say
52:43things they don't mean to say it hurts
52:46you never kicked a dog or a cat
52:50you ever hurt your the kids that live up
52:52there with your parents
52:55hmm you love those kids don't you yes
52:58okay and if something happened one of
53:01those kids you'd
53:03be upset right yes
53:06well something happened to
53:09this lady's child lauren
53:12okay you love your
53:15all the kids up there with your mama
53:17right yes
53:19and you do anything for them right yes i
53:21mean they called you and said hey we
53:23need you
53:24help us out you'd help them out right
53:26yes we need you to help us out
53:31okay
53:34tell me about your family
53:37i have four adopted siblings that you
53:40love very much right yes
53:43okay what about your mama she's a
53:45homemaker okay
53:48what about your daddy
53:49he's a painter
53:53close
53:54family y'all close yes
53:59was the last time you talked to him
54:01when we got together
54:04what was that
54:05he weeks ago
54:08did you go up there to see them or they
54:10come down here and see you we went to
54:12buckners
54:13i like
54:15the chicken place where the table spins
54:17around yeah
54:20you just drove up their metal
54:22yes okay
54:29they bring all the kids with them yes
54:34they didn't come back to make it
54:38well
54:39they asked you how you was doing in
54:40school and everything
54:42yes
54:48you had told uh
54:51detective chapman that you've never shot
54:52any of those guns that were in your
54:54apartment
54:55yes
54:56have you no
54:58well you've never went to the shooting
55:00range here in macon
55:02did some shooting
55:04huh
55:05no
55:06any gun
55:08no
55:11you know did you made the mistake and
55:13told people at school that you used to
55:14go the shooting range and shoot
55:16no you've never said that
55:19no
55:21do you even know how to load
55:24yes in this case is that that was an sks
55:26right no
55:28what was it an ak sight well same thing
55:32just different you know how to load it
55:35yes what kind of rounds it take
55:38762 39
55:40okay
55:42what's the capacity of that clip that
55:43you had
55:4430 rounds
55:46was it loaded
55:48is it loaded
55:50the magazine is full
55:52okay you got a round in the chamber no
55:56why not
55:58safer that way
56:00safer it's just you in the apartment
56:01right
56:03yes
56:04why do you think it's safer that way
56:08no chance of it getting knocked over and
56:10going off
56:12i mean no one lives with you just you
56:16bullets can travel distance well how do
56:19you know that
56:21i've read up about it
56:23well
56:27on what the computer
56:28yes okay
56:31what about your pistols
56:35you never fired any of those pistols no
56:39were they loaded tonight
56:41the magazine is full on the 10
56:43millimeter okay
56:46there's one
56:47round in the chamber in the nine
56:49millimeter and a full magazine was the
56:51nine millimeter the full-size one with
56:53the compact one compact
56:59and you've never even fired any of those
57:01weapons no where do you buy your ammo
57:04have you ever purchased any animal hair
57:06makeup yes from where
57:09a to z guns
57:13yes when's the last time used today's z
57:15guns
57:16years ago
57:18do you have a
57:19a permit yeah to carry what you do
57:23here in bib county
57:24yes okay
57:28you applied when you was working down at
57:30the county or
57:32i applied
57:33last fall okay so you have your car
57:37yes is it with you yes can i see it
57:43they make they still make you take your
57:44fingerprint dollar yes
57:46let me see your car
57:50how much does it cost now
57:53you remember
57:54around eighty dollars
58:01so it expires in 2016.
58:03yes
58:07do you have any pictures of the kids
58:09no
58:10no they didn't give you no pictures when
58:12they were in school
58:15that picture your parents
58:16no you got no pictures
58:18no
58:19at all
58:26what do the kids call you
58:28stephen
58:30okay
58:31so you're just a brother or uncle or
58:34brother brother stephen none of them
58:36ever come visit you here in macon
58:38now
58:56about this car
58:59when you first moved to macon did you
59:01have another automobile
59:03no
59:04never
59:05you know when you moved to making us you
59:07brought that geo prison with you yes
59:11you never left the car back there at
59:12your mother's
59:14no
59:14why'd you tell everybody at school
59:17that you had that other vehicle
59:19i didn't
59:21so everyone we talked to just made that
59:24story up
59:26about you talking about your other
59:28vehicle
59:30i don't have another vehicle
59:35when's the last time you've been to
59:36kroger in baconsville
59:39i don't remember
59:41okay because i asked you that was the
59:43last time you were at
59:44walmart i don't remember
59:48it's been a long time can you even give
59:50me that much
59:52no
59:54a week or so
59:56maybe
59:58do you even have a credit card
1:00:00yes which credit card do you use the
1:00:03most
1:00:04visa is just as a bank name or just a
1:00:07visa
1:00:08first financial bank is that hair making
1:00:12no
1:00:12first financial
1:00:14you got a bank account with them no
1:00:17well who's the accountant they just sent
1:00:18you a visa
1:00:21you don't have no bank account
1:00:24where are you putting your money on your
1:00:25house
1:00:26you putting all your money in your house
1:00:28with all the food you got in there i
1:00:30have an account with wachovia you're
1:00:32making yes
1:00:35do you buy your uh stuff at walmart with
1:00:37this visa card no
1:00:40oh how do you usually pay for stuff at
1:00:42walmart with cash
1:00:45do you have a job
1:00:47no
1:00:48well how do you get cash
1:00:50student loans
1:00:51so you're just living off your student
1:00:53levels yes
1:01:04so you hadn't worked like a job in a
1:01:07while
1:01:12are you planning on getting a job
1:01:14yes
1:01:18well because your loans are going to run
1:01:19out sooner or later right yes
1:01:29how long you got left to finish your
1:01:31school up are you finished completely
1:01:33yes
1:01:35what are you planning on moving out of
1:01:36that apartment
1:01:39i mean when's your lisa about july 15th
1:01:42where you plan on uh
1:01:44going when you move out back to my
1:01:46parents
1:01:48and where is that at
1:01:49lillard
1:01:56do you even know your mother's phone
1:01:57number
1:01:59i know the home phone number what's up
1:02:01what's the eric over there 770
1:02:05eight one
1:02:06five zero three one
1:02:09what's your mother's name glenda
1:02:15has she ever had a drug problem
1:02:18no
1:02:20she's been home your whole entire life
1:02:21raising you
1:02:23mostly where was she when she went
1:02:25mostly raising you
1:02:26preschool oh she's a school teacher as
1:02:29well yes
1:02:43do you know how
1:02:45i've already told you that there was a
1:02:47body discovered right in the trash
1:02:49containers over there
1:02:52near your apartment
1:02:55do you know how that body got in that
1:02:57trash can no
1:03:02do you have any black trash bags in your
1:03:04apartment
1:03:05like uh
1:03:06that you use for trash
1:03:08no
1:03:10do you can you help me do you know where
1:03:12any black trash bags are in that
1:03:14apartment complex
1:03:16have you ever seen any around
1:03:18has someone been over there cleaning up
1:03:20or
1:03:23have you ever seen anybody painting an
1:03:24apartment
1:03:26have you seen any painters because
1:03:27you're homeless of the day right yes
1:03:31have you seen any of that
1:03:32no
1:03:34do you know when the garbage man usually
1:03:35comes over there
1:03:36no
1:03:39do you know anything
1:03:41yes do you know
1:03:44i asked you for help what do you know
1:03:47you haven't provided me with nothing
1:03:51i mean
1:03:52when's the last time you were in that
1:03:54laundry room
1:03:55at the apartment last night what were
1:03:58you doing last night
1:04:00luke and i were looking for lauren
1:04:02did y'all see anything unusual or out of
1:04:05place
1:04:06no
1:04:07okay
1:04:08there was one washer that had clothes in
1:04:11it who's called more lady you know
1:04:13luke said they look like a guy's clothes
1:04:17but you didn't look in the machine
1:04:19i didn't look entertained
1:04:30what kind of knife did you have on you
1:04:31tonight
1:04:33a little throwing knife
1:04:35where'd you have it in your front pocket
1:04:37yes
1:04:42do you own any saws or
1:04:46anything like that
1:04:47no
1:04:50there's not anything in your car is
1:04:51there no
1:04:53the trunk or anything
1:04:55no
1:04:56when's the last time you actually drove
1:04:57your car
1:05:00like went somewhere in your car
1:05:04within the past few days
1:05:06all right today's
1:05:08was now
1:05:10friday but
1:05:11yesterday was thursday that's when you
1:05:13met me
1:05:14yes have you driven your car this week
1:05:16at all
1:05:17yes what day
1:05:20i don't remember you don't remember
1:05:24what do you remember about your car
1:05:27i drove to kroger
1:05:29in beginsville
1:05:31across the river
1:05:33when what do you think that might have
1:05:34been
1:05:36i don't remember
1:05:39you don't remember
1:05:49why would you go to kroger
1:05:51to get something what
1:05:54dinner
1:05:56you got a lot of food in your house
1:05:57right
1:05:58yes
1:06:01what day do you think that might have
1:06:02been
1:06:05was it over the weekend
1:06:07no
1:06:08was it monday
1:06:10i don't think so was it tuesday
1:06:14i don't think so what day would you
1:06:16think it was if you had to pick a day
1:06:18what day was you hungry on
1:06:28wednesday maybe
1:06:30wednesday
1:06:33you don't remember what you bought
1:06:37dinner frozen dinner
1:06:39got like the frozen section microwave
1:06:42dinner
1:06:43no
1:06:48oh frozen didn't cook in the oven
1:06:50yes
1:06:52okay did you go over there by yourself
1:06:54yes
1:06:55oh my god
1:06:57did you go anywhere else that night yeah
1:07:00that day
1:07:01just over the program when you came home
1:07:04yes
1:07:05did you go anywhere this week like
1:07:08i don't know shopping at the mall or
1:07:11looking at guns at a z or
1:07:15did you go anywhere else no
1:07:18when's the last time you cleaned your
1:07:19car
1:07:21i haven't since i got it back
1:07:24where'd you get it back from
1:07:25my parents
1:07:27would they have before
1:07:29their van was in iraq
1:07:33so what they did come get your car or
1:07:36yes
1:07:37so they came to make and got your car
1:07:39and then left the wreck was down here
1:07:43oh and make them yes
1:07:45so they were staying with you when they
1:07:47were in the wreck no
1:07:51well what were they doing to make them
1:07:53the van was going to be worked on here
1:07:56i'm making yes
1:07:58well where's the van at now do they got
1:07:59it back it was totaled
1:08:04so they were in macon and they get they
1:08:06were in a wrecking macon
1:08:07my mom was
1:08:10and she was down here making because
1:08:14the air conditioner was malfunctioning
1:08:17why was she a making though
1:08:19because there's a place in macon that's
1:08:22the best at air conditioning repair and
1:08:25you told her
1:08:26about to come down to making to get a
1:08:28recognition fixed no
1:08:31well how do you know that
1:08:32she told me oh
1:08:35so she just drove to making to get her
1:08:36air conditioner fixed yes she was in a
1:08:38wreck
1:08:39yes
1:08:40total out her car her van yes
1:08:44so she came to your house to get your
1:08:46car
1:08:47i drove her back
1:08:49i was following
1:08:53you
1:08:54you drove her back to where to my
1:08:56apartment
1:08:57where was the van
1:08:59it was towed
1:09:01okay because it's told
1:09:03she stay at your apartment spend the
1:09:04night with you no
1:09:07she stayed just a few minutes and leave
1:09:09or what
1:09:10she stayed about an hour
1:09:13when's the last time you talked to your
1:09:14mother glenda
1:09:16i don't remember it been a while
1:09:20it's been a few days
1:09:22do you call her every day
1:09:24no
1:09:25you don't check on the kids
1:09:27no
1:09:33show me that scratch again that you
1:09:35showed me earlier that was it uh
1:09:40what did you say happened there
1:09:42you think i scratched myself in my sleep
1:09:46oh
1:09:51are you going to be able to help me with
1:09:52this case or not because i need to tell
1:09:54the parent something huh
1:09:56i don't know
1:10:00you don't know what you don't know what
1:10:02happened
1:10:04why don't you know if you can help
1:10:06because i don't know if i know what you
1:10:08need
1:10:10i need to know
1:10:12if you know where lauren's at
1:10:15or do you know who took alarm i tell him
1:10:18you told me that if you were working the
1:10:19case you would think somebody would take
1:10:21her when she was running
1:10:23why would you say that
1:10:25when we looked in her apartment there
1:10:27was no sign it was broken into
1:10:33okay so you're figuring something i
1:10:35might have took it while she was out
1:10:36running
1:10:38yes you're saying
1:10:40did you see her go running this weekend
1:10:42at all
1:10:43yeah
1:10:43that would help if you did
1:10:47what time did she normally run at night
1:10:49or daytime
1:10:51can you at least tell me that
1:10:54i don't know
1:10:55did you like to run into early morning
1:10:57or the late night
1:10:59the last time i saw her was mid-day
1:11:02like noonish yes
1:11:05okay
1:11:06she was going running when i was coming
1:11:08back from bar prep
1:11:12so i've been a while
1:11:13two or three weeks
1:11:18okay
1:11:19did she speak to you
1:11:20no
1:11:22you just just saw her outrun
1:11:25i was in my car
1:11:28well did you see her when you're like
1:11:30pulling in the parking lot or you just
1:11:31saw her running down the road
1:11:35was she outside her apartment getting
1:11:37ready to go run or was she already
1:11:39running at the time you saw her already
1:11:41running okay she was by running by
1:11:43herself yes she didn't have a dog with
1:11:46her didn't you no
1:11:52did you get along with everybody when
1:11:53you work down with the district
1:11:55attorney's office yes
1:11:57no problems no
1:11:59do you like doing what you
1:12:02used to do down there or what yes
1:12:10who did you work for i mean who was your
1:12:13did you help out everybody or were you
1:12:15assigned to just
1:12:17a certain person
1:12:19mainly jonathan adams
1:12:23okay how long have you worked down there
1:12:26spring semester
1:12:29you enjoy doing that kind of work yes
1:12:31so you should be able to help me right
1:12:34yes because you're on our side right yes
1:12:37all right
1:12:39what do you think i need to do
1:12:41i don't know
1:12:43there we go again with that i don't know
1:12:45come on now you can give me some advice
1:12:49right
1:12:51you can't give me some advice
1:12:56on what i should do next
1:12:59huh
1:13:04you can't tell me what you think i
1:13:06should do next
1:13:08i don't know
1:13:09well we found a body
1:13:12outside the apartment right we know that
1:13:14right yes
1:13:17you saying you
1:13:19didn't hear or see anything like the
1:13:21whole time you've been there over the
1:13:22weekend right right we've talked to you
1:13:25right
1:13:26right
1:13:27we've talked to most of all her friends
1:13:29is there anybody else we need to talk to
1:13:32that you might know that we didn't
1:13:35i don't know
1:13:38let's talk about the apartment complex
1:13:40anybody in that complex of where anybody
1:13:42else we need to talk to
1:13:44i don't know who you have talked to
1:13:59who lives below you
1:14:01an older woman and her son
1:14:04were they home tonight or today
1:14:07i don't know
1:14:08you did sam no
1:14:11do you ever see him yes
1:14:17but you don't know if they were home
1:14:18today
1:14:21she doesn't have a car
1:14:24so it's really hard to tell if they're
1:14:25home
1:14:26yes
1:14:27you ever talk to her
1:14:29yes
1:14:32does she work anywhere
1:14:34i don't know
1:14:36do you ever get tired of saying i don't
1:14:38know
1:14:42hmm
1:14:48what else you got in your wallet there
1:14:50bro
1:14:52my bear card
1:14:54what's that used for to get into the
1:14:56building
1:15:00what else you got
1:15:02my bank card
1:15:07my kroger card
1:15:09is that the card you use at chrome yes
1:15:18i'm gonna write down this number
1:15:23since you don't know the last time you
1:15:24were there
1:15:26i'm i'm assuming you used your card when
1:15:28you were there
1:15:30yes right
1:15:32i always use my card
1:15:35so i'm gonna write down a number
1:15:42you can remember that you always use
1:15:44your card but you can't remember last
1:15:45time you were there
1:15:47i always use my card well what if you
1:15:49didn't use them
1:15:52what else you got in there
1:15:55my borders card
1:16:07an ink cart
1:16:13my id
1:16:21what's that
1:16:24voter registration hmm
1:16:29what's up marcia what's that
1:16:31mercer lock have card what's that use a
1:16:34free cab right at home oh that's just
1:16:35the phone numbers numbers for cab
1:16:38companies
1:16:39here micah
1:16:41what's that card right there
1:16:46gamestop
1:16:51no phone numbers or anything
1:16:54yeah
1:17:03okay
1:17:04put your money back up and there's a
1:17:06hundred dollar bill up under there
1:17:08what do you roll with all that money you
1:17:10buy it for my granddaddy gave it to me
1:17:24do you take any medication
1:17:26no
1:17:27have you ever taken any medication no
1:17:31do you have any kind of mental problem
1:17:33no
1:17:41[Music]
1:17:43you know it's crazy i was talking to
1:17:44people that he works with and everything
1:17:46they talk about how
1:17:47he's always expresses himself he don't
1:17:49know he's very talkative still they say
1:17:52you're so talkative buddy that you
1:17:54always so friendly you stop in and say
1:17:56hello and you've talked
1:17:58why is it that you're acting so short
1:18:00with us tonight if you if you have all
1:18:02this captive personality about you why
1:18:04is it that everything that we get from
1:18:06you is yes no i don't know
1:18:09i don't
1:18:10know
1:18:12well you sure were talking to the media
1:18:14tonight
1:18:16weren't you
1:18:19they asked what happened yeah that's
1:18:21what we're asking you what happened
1:18:22what'd you tell them
1:18:24i told them you just knew that you
1:18:26didn't know
1:18:32do you drink it all do you drink beer no
1:18:38at least i gotta know stuff i don't know
1:18:45stephen
1:18:49you know
1:18:53we have to go to our best resources when
1:18:56we're trying to do anything
1:18:58you know it's kind of like the guy who
1:18:59wants to get his oil changed she goes to
1:19:00jackie luke
1:19:02you know what i'm saying
1:19:03we're looking for lauren and you said
1:19:05you were her friend
1:19:07on to her friend yes
1:19:09y'all good friends
1:19:11yes how did your friends are y'all
1:19:13good friends
1:19:15like how good of friends
1:19:20you don't understand
1:19:22you don't understand how good our
1:19:23friends all are
1:19:26you don't understand what you're asking
1:19:28how good of friends are y'all
1:19:30friends
1:19:32are y'all close friends
1:19:34are y'all just acquaintances
1:19:38um y'all study i mean
1:19:40how good of friends y'all
1:19:42we're friends are y'all really good
1:19:44friends
1:19:46i don't know you don't know
1:19:49how do you not know if you're not a
1:19:50really good friend let me ask you this
1:19:53maybe you're saying that because you
1:19:55don't know how she feels about you
1:19:58how do you feel about her do you
1:20:00consider her a really good friend
1:20:04she's a friend
1:20:06but not a really good friend
1:20:09i don't know you don't know how do you
1:20:11not know
1:20:12i don't know what you mean by really
1:20:14good
1:20:17are y'all really close
1:20:19no
1:20:20no you're not
1:20:22no so y'all you never told her any of
1:20:24your personal business
1:20:25no she ever tell you any of hers
1:20:28no
1:20:30you ever see her upset
1:20:32no she was always a happy person wasn't
1:20:35she yes
1:20:45why are you acting like this stephen
1:20:50you see how i'm able to talk in complete
1:20:52sentences
1:20:55like we're having a conversation but the
1:20:57only thing you're bringing to the table
1:20:58is say yes no or i don't know
1:21:05why is that stephen
1:21:10i don't understand you don't understand
1:21:13what don't you understand
1:21:17i want to be able to help you commit to
1:21:18be able to communicate with me better
1:21:20than that steven
1:21:22i feel like we can help each other
1:21:31stephen did you hurt that girl
1:21:33no
1:21:37do you know where she's at
1:21:39no
1:21:42would you tell me if you did
1:21:44yes
1:21:55have you lied to me at all in this
1:21:57interview
1:21:58no
1:21:59yes you have stephen
1:22:03you just you have
1:22:06when you say you don't know
1:22:08when the last time you cleaned your
1:22:10bathroom is
1:22:13that's a lie
1:22:16when you say you don't know the last
1:22:18time
1:22:19you saw her coming out of her apartment
1:22:21you don't notice whether or not she
1:22:22comes in and out
1:22:25that's another lie
1:22:27your door is only a few feet from hers
1:22:34you told some lies in this interview
1:22:36stephen
1:22:40without a doubt
1:22:43was the last time you did laundry
1:22:45a few weeks ago you ain't washed clothes
1:22:48in a few weeks
1:22:50yeah why
1:22:52i have a lot of clothes no you don't
1:22:54that's another lie
1:23:02that's right that's three lives steven
1:23:05you don't have a lot of clothes
1:23:07yes i do nope
1:23:13you got enough underwear to last you
1:23:15three weeks
1:23:16yes
1:23:19do you wear the same pair underwear more
1:23:20than one day
1:23:21yes
1:23:24why
1:23:26because it's still clean enough to wear
1:23:35stephen i appreciate you coming down
1:23:37here today
1:23:38and talking to us okay
1:23:40i appreciate you cooperating with us and
1:23:44and helping us along
1:23:46but you've lied to me
1:23:48about at least three things in this
1:23:49interview
1:23:52and people don't lie unless they got
1:23:53something to hide
1:23:56why would you lie to me stephen
1:23:58i didn't lie
1:23:59sure you
1:24:00did you said you don't even notice when
1:24:03she comes in and out of her apartment
1:24:05that's a lie stephen
1:24:08i said i didn't remember the last time
1:24:11have you ever watched her go in our
1:24:12apartment
1:24:13no you've never how long y'all been
1:24:15neighbors three years three years you've
1:24:18never watched her walk through her front
1:24:20door
1:24:21yes
1:24:24five seconds i said you ever watched her
1:24:26walk into apartment you said no
1:24:33so i'm going to ask you again if you
1:24:34ever watched her walk into her apartment
1:24:36yes
1:24:39when was the last time
1:24:42a long time ago how long
1:24:45before graduation it's been that long
1:24:48and you graduated when
1:24:50in may
1:24:56beginning of may in the main in the
1:24:58middle
1:25:00and you haven't seen her walk in her
1:25:01apartment since
1:25:03no
1:25:04did you ever help her carry up groceries
1:25:05and stuff like that
1:25:07no
1:25:08never
1:25:09no
1:25:10you have a helper care laundry
1:25:13no
1:25:16she's never needed your help with
1:25:17anything
1:25:19she asked for help with the computer
1:25:22you ever offer help with her for
1:25:24anything and stuff or anything like that
1:25:27yes like what stephen
1:25:29when she was moving out during the first
1:25:32summer
1:25:34what did you do
1:25:36she needed help moving stuff to her car
1:25:39and you helped her yes so you're winning
1:25:42out of her apartment moving stuff
1:25:44yes
1:25:47how long did you help her
1:25:50a few minutes
1:25:51that's it
1:25:53yes do you realize how you're talking
1:25:55right now does that not feel weird to
1:25:56you
1:25:57no
1:25:59would you say
1:26:00that this is how you talk all the time
1:26:04i don't understand
1:26:08you're just not
1:26:10expressing yourself at all
1:26:12everything's with you is yes no
1:26:15i don't remember i don't understand
1:26:22you can't help me out with anything you
1:26:24there's nothing you can tell me to help
1:26:26me about this
1:26:27beautiful girl right here steven that
1:26:29was your friend
1:26:33nothing you gonna let things go down
1:26:35like this
1:26:39i don't know what you want
1:26:41i want the truth stephen
1:26:44i don't know where she is
1:26:46let me ask you this you actually believe
1:26:49you don't know where she is right now
1:26:53where was she yesterday
1:26:56i don't know liar
1:27:08that's right
1:27:11you're lying
1:27:18why are you lying stephen
1:27:21yes you are lying
1:27:23how long you continue to do it she's got
1:27:26a mother and a father and a family out
1:27:28there that is
1:27:29sick over everything
1:27:32where's that little girl steven
1:27:34i don't know stephen you know
1:27:40where
1:27:41i don't know stephen
1:27:44you're gonna look at this right here
1:27:46this little girl right here
1:27:49and you're gonna say you don't know
1:27:51i know you know
1:27:53i don't know yes you know what are you
1:27:55gonna say tomorrow when i say we got
1:27:56your hair with the
1:27:58body
1:28:00what are you going to say to me then
1:28:04because you know like i go like that
1:28:07look at my hair
1:28:09that's how easy it falls out look at all
1:28:12that on your head you don't think none
1:28:14fell out it did
1:28:20it did stephen
1:28:24we just want to give you an opportunity
1:28:26to tell it so you didn't look like a
1:28:29monster at the end because you know what
1:28:31i don't believe that you're a monster
1:28:32stephen
1:28:34i believe that you're a good guy you've
1:28:36been picked on girls didn't show you the
1:28:38respect that you deserved you did
1:28:40something stupid and i believe you feel
1:28:43bad about it and that's why you're all
1:28:45freaked out right now
1:28:47but i'm giving you the opportunity to
1:28:49get right
1:28:50i've given you an opportunity to show
1:28:53everybody you're not a monster that you
1:28:55feel bad about what happened your hair
1:28:57is there man
1:29:00your hair is there
1:29:02we got your hair with the body
1:29:05how is that stephen
1:29:07i don't know yes you do know
1:29:13yes you do know stephen
1:29:19that's right buddy see that
1:29:24look at it
1:29:28see how easy
1:29:34it happens
1:29:35and it happened to you
1:29:39why stephen
1:29:43i don't understand oh you understand
1:29:47you understand exactly what i'm saying
1:29:50see this stuff right here your hair
1:29:53yeah it fell out of your head when you
1:29:54was moving the body stephen
1:30:02that's right
1:30:04do you remember moving the body
1:30:07yeah yes you do stephen
1:30:14why man
1:30:17what happened
1:30:20why
1:30:25tell me bud
1:30:27i didn't do it yes you did stephen
1:30:30your hands with the body quit lying
1:30:35we want you to tell it so that way
1:30:37people are understand you're not a
1:30:38monster things just you got out of
1:30:40control
1:30:41it's a sickness
1:30:47why'd you do it stephen
1:30:50stephen
1:30:51why are you gonna keep telling that
1:30:55you hurt that girl
1:30:57yes you did stephen
1:31:02you heard her man
1:31:05she was screaming
1:31:08screaming stephen
1:31:11why
1:31:13and i know you feel bad about it
1:31:17i can see it in your face
1:31:20what came over you man
1:31:25what happened stephen
1:31:27i don't know
1:31:29i know you don't know
1:31:31you can't you couldn't control it could
1:31:33you
1:31:34i didn't do it
1:31:36stephen
1:31:38how long were we gonna continue to do
1:31:40this
1:31:41you did
1:31:43why is what i want to know
1:31:45i didn't do it
1:31:51stephen you hurt that girl man
1:31:54and you got on the news today
1:31:57that's right
1:31:58you know what you've been talking like
1:32:00this on the news buddy
1:32:09you hurt this girl
1:32:11no i did yes you did
1:32:14you hurt that girl
1:32:31why'd you hurt her stephen
1:32:33i did you hurt that girl did you try to
1:32:35make her have sex with you
1:32:37i didn't
1:32:40who did it
1:32:41they got your hair
1:32:43they steal your hair and take it over
1:32:44there
1:32:49stephen they steal your hair
1:32:55they didn't did that
1:33:00did they stephen
1:33:04that's right
1:33:05it's all sinking in right now
1:33:09he knows is what you're thinking
1:33:12stephen i don't want it to be a game
1:33:14between me and you
1:33:18i know it hurts and i know you're not an
1:33:20awful person and you want to tell it
1:33:22your hair was there stephen
1:33:25we've all known it all along
1:33:29we wanted just to give you an
1:33:30opportunity to tell what happened
1:33:36y'all have sex
1:33:38no
1:33:40do you try to have sex
1:33:42no
1:33:43you think about having sex
1:33:46no liar
1:33:49what kind of man didn't think about
1:33:50having sex
1:33:56you said earlier you like girls right
1:33:59yes you said she's a pretty girl right
1:34:01yes
1:34:02what'd you do to her stephen
1:34:04i didn't do anything you're lying
1:34:07you hurt that girl
1:34:08no i didn't sure did that's why you're
1:34:10having this massive meltdown right now
1:34:13because you can't live with yourself can
1:34:15you
1:34:16it's overwhelming you isn't it
1:34:19tell the truth stephen
1:34:21i didn't do it who did it i don't know
1:34:24yes you do stephen
1:34:42wow
1:34:46why did you hurt that girl i didn't
1:34:50why'd you hurt steve
1:34:52i didn't
1:35:07you heard that girl
1:35:09now
1:35:09sure you did
1:35:12you know it now i know it
1:35:15you just don't want to tell it steven
1:35:18but that's okay i know it
1:35:20i just want to give you an opportunity
1:35:22to tell it
1:35:23so people didn't think you were a
1:35:24monster
1:35:30you're not a monster are you stephen
1:35:32no
1:35:36i know buddy
1:35:39i know you're not a monster
1:35:42tell me what happened
1:35:45i don't know you tried to have sex with
1:35:47her no she didn't want to have sex with
1:35:50you
1:35:51i didn't do it she didn't want to have
1:35:52sex with you steve
1:35:55i don't know you don't know if she
1:35:56wanted to have sex with you
1:35:59i didn't do anything yes you did steven
1:36:08you went into her apartment stephen
1:36:13and you hurt that girl
1:36:15no i didn't
1:36:19you did buddy
1:36:24you heard her steve
1:36:26no i didn't
1:36:28you did
1:36:33why won't you tell me stephen
1:36:35i didn't do it
1:36:47take this with me you don't deserve to
1:36:48look at it
1:36:50just stay right here okay
1:36:52okay
1:36:55i appreciate all your cooperation
1:36:58tonight okay
1:36:59okay
1:42:18all right we're getting ready though
1:42:19i just need to discuss a few more things
1:42:21with you
1:42:23you know the reason why we're down here
1:42:25is because lauren's missing right yeah i
1:42:28just need you
1:42:30to please tell me
1:42:35give me a
1:42:37where you i know earlier today you told
1:42:39me you stayed home all weekend right in
1:42:41your apartment yes
1:42:46and uh
1:42:49did anybody see you
1:42:51did you talk to anybody over the weekend
1:42:53were you on your computer all weekend
1:42:56is there any thing i can look at
1:42:59that i can say
1:43:02he couldn't be involved because he was
1:43:05on the computer
1:43:07or he was online
1:43:09on a porn site or
1:43:12he was online doing college work or
1:43:14anything
1:43:16that would exclude you as being involved
1:43:19altogether i mean
1:43:21did anybody see this weekend at the
1:43:23house
1:43:24did you go out to get a newspaper
1:43:28did you wave to a neighbor or you just
1:43:30locked yourself in all week
1:43:32yes
1:43:33nobody saw you
1:43:35no
1:43:36i mean what do you just stay in the
1:43:38house all day
1:43:39yes i mean what do you do all day in the
1:43:41house
1:43:42play video games by yourself
1:43:45yes
1:43:47you never talk to anybody on the phone
1:43:49or anything
1:43:50if
1:43:57i mean you've always done that your
1:43:58whole life you don't have no friends
1:44:01how can you go your own life without a
1:44:03friend
1:44:04i have friends for that
1:44:11where that
1:44:16have your friends here making
1:44:18yes name one because everybody i talked
1:44:20to said they ain't your friend ryan
1:44:22granger
1:44:24cass lawson
1:44:26ashley morehouse
1:44:28carl and love that same people i've
1:44:30talked to today and they're not your
1:44:32friends
1:44:34okay
1:44:37you're not your friend
1:44:44i mean
1:44:47it's all over anyways
1:44:51i just want to know what was going on
1:44:52tonight
1:44:56the game's over i mean
1:45:00we know what you did there so we just
1:45:02want to know what you
1:45:04if you're going to tell us or not
1:45:06i didn't do anything no
1:45:08that's what you say
1:45:11but we know different so you're [ __ ]
1:45:13either way
1:45:17you're [ __ ]
1:45:21we already know
1:45:26and everybody out there all your friends
1:45:27know that you're down here because of
1:45:30what happened alarm
1:45:32so all those friends that you thought
1:45:33you had are not your friends anymore
1:45:40okay there'll be no more video games
1:45:44all right
1:45:52this is the end
1:45:55is there anything you want to say
1:45:57i didn't do anything well that's what
1:45:59you say
1:46:03that's what you say stick to your story
1:46:07because it's over
1:46:09we're tired of talking to you
1:46:13okay
1:46:14we know you killed her
1:46:16we know you put her body in the trash
1:46:17can
1:46:20simple as that
1:46:23the news media knows it
1:46:26glenda knows it's your mother
1:46:29your sister knows it
1:46:31your sister's husband knows it
1:46:34the one that used to beat your sister
1:46:36he knows it
1:46:38you know what he said
1:46:41he said he's a crazy [ __ ] that's
1:46:43what he said
1:46:44when i called him
1:46:47that's your own family calling you crazy
1:46:53your own family said you crazy
1:47:04nobody wants to see
1:47:06you nobody's coming to visit you
1:47:13so you can sit there with that dumb look
1:47:15on your face
1:47:16but it's over
1:47:20you enjoyed yourself and it's all over
1:47:22now
1:47:25okay
1:47:28anything you want to say i don't know
1:47:31i didn't do anything well that's what
1:47:33you say
1:47:35but i'm telling you you did
1:47:38okay
1:47:39simple as that you're not in charge i am
1:47:44i just took it away from you
1:47:47that's one thing you can't change
1:47:48brother
1:47:50you can't change that
1:47:53you are no longer in charge of anything
1:48:02okay you understand that
1:48:13talk to glenda
1:48:16she's crying
1:48:24she's supposed to be coming down there
1:48:30i told my whole story
1:48:35and they told me what you used to tell
1:48:36them about your next-door neighbor too
1:48:44yeah what what you can't say nothing now
1:48:50you're speechless
1:48:55yeah she should be in a little bit
1:49:00i promised her i'd let her see you and
1:49:01the kids i don't know if she's bringing
1:49:03them all or not before you go on down
1:49:06all right
1:49:08okay
1:49:10i didn't do anything doesn't matter what
1:49:12you think you did
1:49:15doesn't matter it's what i can prove
1:49:18okay
1:49:22okay mr smarty pants
1:49:25hmm
1:49:29promised her i'd let her see you
1:49:31so i'm waiting on them to get out here
1:49:34all right
1:49:41okay
1:49:43i'm taking glenda's statement about what
1:49:45you used to tell her about your neighbor
1:49:50about what you tell her about your guns
1:49:52and your knives and
1:49:54your sister's husband's coming
1:49:57because he said you crazy
1:50:03your sister is married still right
1:50:05yes
1:50:07he used to beat her back in the day
1:50:13huh
1:50:14are you sitting here think about it for
1:50:16a little bit okay
1:50:18okay
1:50:21got plenty of time to think now don't
1:50:23you
1:50:25hmm
1:50:28yeah
1:50:30got plenty of time i think you thought
1:50:32you were smarter than everybody else but
1:50:34you're not
1:50:38you're not
1:50:42the sad thing about it is you probably
1:50:43could have made something with your life
1:50:46but you chose a different route because
1:50:48one
1:50:49you don't have a girlfriend and two
1:50:51you're never gonna get a girlfriend
1:51:06i'm listening
1:51:09i'm all ears
1:51:12i don't know what you want me to say
1:51:15don't you say nothing
1:51:18you're [ __ ] either way
1:51:23do you understand that
1:51:25i didn't do anything
1:51:28that's what you that's your sales story
1:51:36that's your south star
1:51:46works both ways brother
1:51:50there's birth ways
1:51:53ain't gonna be no more yelling
1:51:56ain't nobody gonna yell at you
1:51:58they're gonna come in here and cry
1:52:01kiss you goodbye
1:52:03i'm gonna take their statement and it's
1:52:06all over
1:52:10you do understand that right
1:52:13i didn't do anything
1:52:14that's what you say
1:52:19that's what you say
1:52:21because you haven't told us anytime
1:52:30do you realize what i'm telling you
1:52:39okay well you sit there and think about
1:52:41it a little bit okay
1:52:42i'll come back and check on
1:52:58i thought you were smarter than
1:52:59everybody
1:53:02but you [ __ ] up
1:53:06you [ __ ] up
1:53:09somebody always leave something a crime
1:53:11scene
1:53:13you [ __ ] up
1:53:22you [ __ ] it up
1:53:26first i didn't really believe you had
1:53:27anything to do with it
1:53:35they said man it couldn't have been him
1:53:37he used to work down d.a with us he's a
1:53:39good guy
1:53:41he used to help us out
1:53:43friendly guy and everything
1:53:46couldn't be him he could have done
1:53:47something like that
1:54:05but we're through talking to you
1:54:08just waiting for them to come visit you
1:54:15are you through with your little show
1:54:16you've been putting on all day
1:54:18huh
1:54:21are you three
1:54:28you're not gonna win
1:54:31too much evidence
1:54:35too much evidence
1:54:45i appreciate you talking to me they'll
1:54:47just hang tight look glad to be down
1:54:48here in the middle
1:54:50all of these will take her to drive down
1:54:52interstate
1:54:53i don't know
1:54:56okay
1:54:57okay
1:55:00[Music]
1:55:12alright
2:01:41you

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