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0:02all right brother all right
0:06brother all
0:08right I just got to ask you a few more
0:12questions okay you came down earlier T
0:14night me and you talked all right you
0:16don't have any weapons on you do you
0:18that's just you want what's
0:20wrong you know I'm detective Patterson
0:22right yes do you remember put your hands
0:25up here you remember us talking earlier
0:28tonight right yeah you remember me
0:30earlier in the day yes when we came down
0:33here and talked a little bit and then we
0:34left yes okay I need to
0:38know about this girl right here you know
0:41her yes who is that Lauren
0:44Giddings does she live next door to you
0:49yes when was the last time you seen her
0:52two or three weeks
0:54ago okay was you friends with Lauren yes
0:58look at me when you talk to me son
1:00okay was you friends with her yes close
1:04friends we were good I mean y'all were
1:06friends right both y Law students you're
1:09studying to be an attorney right yes
1:11what kind of law do you want to go into
1:12criminal law yes Civ is that what you
1:15want to do for a living yes okay are you
1:18almost finished yes okay so you don't
1:21have too much more to do right no all
1:24right are you going to stay here in Mak
1:27I don't know did you used to work at
1:30District Attorney's Office in making yes
1:32was you on the prosecutor side or the
1:35defense side prosecutor so you were on
1:38our side yes right you never worked on
1:40the other side no did you like it when
1:42you were down there
1:45yes uh got along with everybody yes okay
1:50and you lived next to Lauren for a long
1:52time yes okay do you know where she's at
1:55tonight no h no have you ever seen her
1:59with that dress
2:01on
2:03no you have no idea where she's at
2:14[Music]
2:18no yes
2:32okay uh my major didn't do that but okay
2:35all right all
2:39right
2:41look just tell me what happened brother
2:44I don't know well where's she at I need
2:47you I'm asking you for your help I'm a
2:50detective and I'm asking you for your
2:54help okay I'm asking you for help I need
2:58your help can you help me
3:00me I don't
3:02know you don't know if you can help me
3:05yes I need your help help me out tell me
3:09what to do has anybody asked you for
3:12help
3:13today I need your I'm asking you as a
3:17friend for
3:20help can you help me I don't
3:24know what do you mean you don't know you
3:27can't help a friend out I don't know
3:29what you need I need to know where
3:31Lawrence at I don't know when's the last
3:34time you seen her two or three weeks
3:37ago has anybody have you ever seen
3:39anybody over her house last couple
3:41nights no
3:44okay if you knew where she was would you
3:46tell me
3:50yes what do you think happened to her I
3:53don't know
4:00do you even care that no one can find
4:02her
4:05yes I mean I don't know do you
4:15yes do you have a girlfriend
4:19no did you think Lauren was your
4:22girlfriend no
4:30I
4:31mean you said you didn't have any other
4:34cars right right why would your
4:38everybody you went to school with for
4:40the last three and four years said that
4:43you own another car other than that Geo
4:46Prism everybody I've talked to all your
4:49friends you were in school with people
4:52that you worked at the District
4:53Attorney's office with said you have
4:55other cars other than that
4:57car and you're going to sit here can't
4:59tell me you don't have another car I
5:02don't where is it at I don't have one
5:06you never had another car besides that
5:07Geo Prism no so if I call your
5:10granddaddy he's going to tell me that
5:12you only have one car
5:15yes what's his phone number I don't know
5:18yeah you do cuz I already have his
5:21number you don't know his phone number
5:24no
5:34I mean you seriously can't help us
5:37out his number is in my cell phone
5:40where's this mess to start where's your
5:41cell phone at the apartment in your
5:45apartment I mean it's kind of late to be
5:47calling him does he stay up late I don't
5:52know do you have a grandmother or is it
5:54just him my grandmother passed away a
5:58while back yes
6:01but you're close to your grandfather
6:02right yes Ian don't he own some property
6:06or something he said couple of Acres my
6:10granddaddy or my
6:12grandfather who lives in Pike County my
6:15granddaddy does he own any land down
6:17there yes okay and do sometimes you go
6:20down there to visit him or something
6:23last time we met I went down and visited
6:26with my aunt and uncle
6:30what did he do for a Liv was he an
6:31attorney like your he worked for the
6:34southern railroad company is anybody in
6:37your family an attorney no you're the
6:39only one that went through law school
6:42yes well that's an accomplishment don't
6:44you think yes I mean it took a long time
6:48right yes lot of lot of studying
6:59you I think you told me earlier you were
7:01from up Atlanta or did you live in
7:04Atlanta or Griffin or something like
7:05that
7:07little you don't have any family left up
7:09there yes well who lives up there my
7:12parents okay any brothers or sisters my
7:16sister lives in
7:18Tucker Georgia yes what's up with a pair
7:22of underwear that was in your
7:24apartment like a mask it was cut out
7:27like a mask dud you cut underwear out to
7:30look like mask
7:34no how many guns did you have in your
7:36apartment three what are they do you
7:40know what they are a rifle what kind of
7:44rifle did you have an AK
7:47semi-automatic where'd you buy it from
7:50Classic Arms is that Atlanta or
7:52something online okay what kind of
7:56pistols do you own EAA Witness
8:00full size and compact okay what is that
8:04what about the one that was on the bed
8:06that's the full size that's the full
8:08size one where's the what was the other
8:10one the compact where was that at on the
8:14table by the bed yeah remember I was in
8:18there mhm then you had that samurai
8:21sword yes that was just a I mean that's
8:24not is it expensive sword or just a
8:26knockoff it's just one of the knockoff
8:27swords yes what about the knife which
8:31knife the big one that was remember you
8:33showed me it was
8:34dle yes what kind of knife is that cuz I
8:37don't know
8:39CER where do you get something like that
8:41online I bought it from a friend did you
8:45have any other knives in the house yes
8:48that I didn't see cuz you you didn't
8:50show me no other knives that's the only
8:51on you show me what other knives did I
8:53miss there's a pocket knife that's on
8:55the table are you a knife collector or a
8:58knife person or no you just like knives
9:02I used to collect swords I mean do you
9:05know your swords yeah I mean to sell and
9:08trade swords no but you just bought here
9:12and there yes but you wouldn't consider
9:14yourself like a sword expert no okay
9:18because you know they have that TV show
9:19where they sell stuff you know at night
9:22on TV but I don't know what it's called
9:25The Knife shop or something like
9:27that have you ever seen I'm talking
9:29about I don't know if you have cable TV
9:31or
9:32not all
9:39right you know
9:42tonight we're still looking for law you
9:46know any of these other girls in this
9:52picture I know that she goes to the law
9:55school but I can't remember her name so
9:57she studying to be an attorney too
10:00yes
10:01okay is that how Lauren looked with the
10:04long hair the last time you seen her yes
10:07or she that's how she looks
10:19yes oh this was in 2010
10:38who do you think took Lauren away I
10:42don't know well I need your
10:45help can you give me some what what is
10:48your observation of this I know you're
10:52smarter
10:54okay I know you have an observation you
10:58can tell me what's what do you think
11:01happened to
11:02her I think someone took
11:07her you
11:11think I mean you watch TV shows right
11:14like detective shows what's your
11:16observation how do you think somebody
11:18would take her if somebody did take her
11:21when she was
11:23running does she normally run all the
11:25time she runs I don't know how
11:30you mean you think somebody might have
11:31took her when she was running like down
11:33the street somewhere
11:37yes you don't think somebody got her
11:40when she got back to her apartment I
11:43don't
11:46know well you know there was a body
11:48found in the trash can next to the
11:50apartments yes you do know that and it's
11:54a female white female's
11:56body right there right next to y'all's
12:01apartment feet within from her
12:07apartment I
12:11mean we don't know 100% sure it's
12:15Lauren but we're pretty confident it
12:18is we're waiting for some tests to be
12:21done to be 100%
12:24sure I mean who would who would do
12:27something to somebody throw them in the
12:28TR SC I don't know I'm asking for your
12:32advice or your
12:34observation who in your
12:37complex would do something like that you
12:40live over there for three years that's
12:42tonight's the first night I think I've
12:44ever been over
12:45there in your expert
12:49opinion of all your knowledge of going
12:52through law school and all that who in
12:55that complex do I need to talk to
12:59I don't know no names come to mind you
13:02can't help me out a little
13:08bit you can't help me out I don't know
13:12you don't know
13:16anybody at
13:18all that lives in that comp
13:21place you know earlier you told me about
13:24a guy that lived in apartment
13:2715 I mean he's a decent
13:29guy I think so don't y'all have a
13:33laundry room there or something yes that
13:35everybody has access to the laundry room
13:39yes has anybody been working on the
13:42apartments below you in the last couple
13:45weeks that you've noticed I haven't seen
13:50anyone but you don't you don't know if
13:53they've been doing work on that
13:54apartment number one no
14:03I mean earlier today me and you sit here
14:04and talk normal what's going on with you
14:06now why are you acting like this I need
14:09to
14:10know why all of a sudden you're acting
14:12like
14:15this I don't understand okay earlier
14:19today we sat here and
14:22talked but now you're acting like you
14:24don't know what's going
14:27on H
14:33I mean something happen or something to
14:37you I mean why are you not why are you
14:40shutting down why are you not talking to
14:42me I don't know you don't know are you
14:46scared
14:50no I mean you're not scared are you
14:54no are you sad that something happened
14:56to Lauren if that's her in that trash
14:58can
15:06yes when's the last time you you said
15:09you can't remember the last time earlier
15:12today that you took the trash out to the
15:13trash can right am I wrong that's right
15:18I mean cuz you said you like stayed
15:19inside the
15:21whole the whole weekend I think CU you
15:23had all your food and all that you never
15:26went to Kroger over the weekend or
15:29Walmart or anything I don't
15:33remember but you could
15:35have I don't know when you go to Kroger
15:39when you do go to the store to get your
15:41food do you use a credit card or you pay
15:43cash cash you have a Kroger card yes
15:48okay so the Kroger card should be able
15:50to tell if you were hit Kroger this
15:52weekend right yes
16:01do you swipe your card or just enter
16:03your cell phone number they scan it oh
16:06cuz I enter my phone number because I
16:08can't never remember to bring my
16:13card but you don't remember if you went
16:15over to Bay you drive your car or you
16:17walk over there I drive you ever go to
16:20Walmart on East time or Gray Highway or
16:24which Walmart do you go to when you go
16:25to Walmart Gray Highway you don't ever
16:28go out to Z road I don't think so you
16:32never been out there you know where
16:33zeblin Road the new
16:35Walmart no you don't so you just
16:39basically go to the one on gry Highway
16:42yes okay do you know where you're at
16:45tonight yes where are you at detective
16:49Bureau
16:52okay and you know why we've been working
16:56all day trying to find Lauren right yes
16:59cuz her family wants to know where she's
17:00at yes and I don't know what to tell her
17:04family so I'm asking you what do I need
17:07to tell their family I don't
17:10know what do you want me to tell them I
17:12don't
17:13know
17:16H you're going to have to tell me what
17:18to tell her
17:20family it's all on you
17:22brother what do you wanted me to tell
17:24her
17:26family h i don't
17:29well I need to
17:31know I need to
17:34know
17:37okay if something happened to Lord and
17:40you know you need to tell
17:44me if you know something CU I need to
17:48know because her families down
17:52here want to know what happened to
17:54her I don't know
18:02you don't
18:03know no that's what you want me to tell
18:05her mother and her father that you don't
18:08know I don't know not that you're sorry
18:11that she's missing not that you've been
18:13trying to help me all day find her but
18:15you just wanted me to tell her I don't
18:18know I don't know are you a sorry piece
18:21of that you want me to tell her
18:25that you got your ass on that
18:28new
18:29and stood out there and gave a media
18:33report that her mother
18:36saw about her missing
18:40daughter and you want me to sit there
18:42and tell them that you don't
18:45know is that what you want me to tell
18:48them cuz you're all over the
18:51news you sure stood out there and ran
18:53your mouth to the news media but now
18:56you're going to get out here and you
18:57don't
18:59know you
19:01know you're just a sorry piece of
19:04that don't give a
19:07right yeah well why' you tell the
19:11media
19:12everything do you need to see what you
19:14told the media today it was on the 11:00
19:17News well I'm asking you tell me I want
19:21to
19:22know I don't know where she is that
19:26ain't what you told the media
19:31you didn't stand in front of that camera
19:32and say I don't know I don't know I
19:37don't
19:47know
19:49right you buy all these weapons was you
19:52ever in the military
19:55no what do you need all these weapons
19:57for are you scared somebody's going to
19:59hurt you
20:01no what do you need all these weapons
20:04for to have why there's a reason why
20:09were you molested as a child no then why
20:12do you need all these
20:14weapons to have why give me one good
20:19reason just give me one reason to have
20:23why does it make you feel important
20:27no hm are you a big guy cuz you got a
20:31weapon no do you even know how to use it
20:37yes I need you to tell me what you want
20:40me to tell her mother and then I won't
20:42ask you another thing I'm not going to
20:45tell her mother that you don't know
20:46because her mother saw you on the news
20:49tonight and she cried all the way down
20:51to
20:52Meg because you had the balls to get on
20:55the news and tell everybody everything
21:00you didn't have no problem talking in
21:02the news when they asked you
21:05questions I'm asking you
21:08questions where's
21:10Lauren I don't know yes you do
21:13know you do
21:17know you do know you
21:21know you
21:24know you do know
21:29and everybody in Mak knows you knows
21:31because you got your sorry ass on the
21:32news and told
21:34everybody so every friend you have in
21:37making knows that you
21:43know everybody you go to school with
21:46every one of your professors
21:49everybody knows that you
21:52know because you got on the news tonight
21:54and told everybody that you know
21:58now how do you
22:04think think you're going to be walk down
22:06the street tomorrow and nobody bother
22:10you think nobody's going to come over
22:12and knock on your
22:14door to see if you want to talk to the
22:16media
22:18again I don't know oh they're going to
22:20be over there
22:23brother so this little act that you're
22:26doing right now ain't working with
22:30me okay because you didn't have no
22:33problem talking to the
22:37media no
22:39problem so you need to snap out of it
22:43and tell me what the hell happened so we
22:45can move
22:48on I don't know well how many times you
22:52going to say I don't
22:56know how many times you going to say it
23:01when are you going to say I remember but
23:04I don't want to remember what happened
23:06to
23:07her how many times you gonna say
23:11that if you did
23:15something that you
23:18regret you to let me
23:21know I
23:23didn't well who did I don't know well
23:28body was found over here right next to
23:30where you
23:32live and what do you have in your
23:34apartments a lot of
23:38kniv a lot of
23:41guns right
23:51yes and I'm asking
23:54you about it and you're just saying I
23:56don't know
23:58that's all that's the only answer you
23:59can give is I don't know but six hours
24:02or a couple hours ago you was out there
24:04telling the media everything you didn't
24:05stand in front of that camera and say I
24:07don't know you were actually answering
24:11questions
24:14right how many interviews did you give
24:17three I don't know well you gave like
24:22three do you think that was the proper
24:24thing to do when a mother's looking for
24:26her child
24:28they asked me what happened and what did
24:31you tell
24:32them what did you tell them that Lauren
24:35was missing okay what else did you tell
24:38them that we had gone looking for
24:42her okay and what and that we hadn't
24:46found
24:48her what else did they asked you I don't
24:52remember why don't you
24:54remember I don't you're telling me
24:59that you went through law school well
25:02you went through college first right you
25:04graduated from college yes now you're in
25:06law school did you graduate from law
25:07school yes but you don't
25:09remember what they asked you this
25:11afternoon no huh I just don't
25:15believe that
25:17a back
25:20yet what's up
25:23buddy did you talk to him about his guns
25:26yeah when was the last time you shot the
25:28those guns I haven't you've never shot a
25:30gun no have you ever shot any gun in
25:33your whole life no never
25:38no so you bought three guns that you've
25:40never shot yes why to have for what to
25:48have for what I'm asking for
25:51what why do you want to have them what
25:53makes did they give you I mean tell me
25:55why it's important to you to have three
25:56guns
26:04that's an easy question Come on talk to
26:06me buddy me and you talked all day today
26:09we ain't had a problem
26:10communicating why is it important for
26:12you to have three
26:17guns do you not
26:19know no
26:21okay um you got a girlfriend no who's
26:26your best friend Michael Quinn Michael
26:30who Quinn who is he he was a law student
26:34with me is he y' does he still a law
26:36student no he graduated when was the
26:40last time you talked to him before he
26:42moved up to Boston how long ago was that
26:45a few weeks a few weeks like a month two
26:48months two weeks three weeks
26:50what the beginning of June beginning of
26:54June beginning of June
26:59[Music]
27:01okay so let me ask you a question how
27:04you say you don't know where Lauren is
27:06right
27:08right you said you told me earlier you
27:10and Lauren were friends right yes how
27:14how would you describe y'all's
27:15relationship she was my friend she was
27:18your
27:19friend what did you ever do things for
27:22she ever do things for you what did she
27:24ever do for
27:26you we Jed we talk what' y'all talk
27:29about news the
27:32news Okay um earlier you was telling me
27:37something about you fixed a computer
27:39before I couldn't fix it you couldn't
27:41fix it what was wrong with it I don't
27:45remember how long ago was
27:49that around graduation well how long ago
27:53was that middle of May middle of May so
27:57you were over in her apartment in the
27:58middle of May yes have you been over
28:01there since then yes when was the last
28:03time you were over there last night
28:06before last night have you ever been
28:08over there with Lauren since the time
28:11you worked on her computer in the middle
28:12of May no how many times have you been
28:15in her apartment with her hanging
28:19out I don't
28:25know you don't know
28:30if you had to
28:31guess what was you I mean one time two
28:35times three times
28:38what maybe two maybe two see if I had
28:42only been somewhere twice I could
28:45remember that if I had been there over
28:4850 times and you asked me how many times
28:50I'd been like I don't know a lot but the
28:52fact that you've only been there twice
28:53when I say how many times you've been
28:55there you say you don't know that's just
28:57odd to me
28:58does that make sense to
29:00you yes that does make sense what so
29:03what I'm saying right now makes sense
29:10no when was the last time you saw Laur
29:13two or three weeks ago and you have you
29:16been on vacation for the last couple
29:17weeks no you've been home every night
29:21yes has she been at home every night I
29:23don't know has she been on
29:25vacation I think she was away for a
29:28while how long I don't know were you
29:32looking for
29:34no let me tell you even if I didn't talk
29:37to my neighbors I know if my neighbors
29:41have been in and out I hear them come in
29:43I hear them go out I see them when they
29:45walk by my window I've lived in
29:46apartments most of my life so the fact
29:49that you haven't seen her in two or
29:50three weeks that's just odd to me I'm G
29:54be it makes me feel like you're not
29:55being honest with me Stephen
30:00why would you not be honest with me I am
30:02being honest Stephen it just doesn't
30:04feel like it buddy you
30:07know I get the sense
30:10that there's something weighing heavy on
30:12your heart right
30:13now and it's breaking you
30:17down and you feel bad about it I can
30:21tell you haven't slept much H have you
30:24in the last few days have you no like
30:27something was weighing on your mind
30:28ain't it we were looking for Lauren you
30:32started looking for Lauren yesterday yes
30:34but you haven't slept in several days
30:36have you yes you have yes earlier when I
30:40talked to you you said you hadn't slept
30:41in days that this morning was the first
30:44time you was able to get any sleep was
30:45this morning for a little bit
30:48no yes that's what you
30:52said that's what you told me
30:59so I asked you well if you haven't been
31:00able to sleep in several days what have
31:01you been doing studying and you said
31:03yeah
31:05studying you don't remember that
31:15no what I want you to do I'm going to
31:18ask you this question I want you to
31:21describe to me how you feel right now
31:33you don't know how to answer that with
31:34yes or no do you I don't know what's
31:37going
31:41on Lauren's
31:44missing this this pretty little girl
31:47right here your
31:51neighbor she's
31:54missing I know you went looking for last
31:58night
32:00yes did you hurt Lauren no stepen did
32:05you hurt La no I know this is hard for
32:09you to tell
32:11it but it's Weighing on you right now
32:13ain't it
32:14stepen I didn't do it but I know you can
32:18probably help me with who
32:22did can't you buddy I don't know
32:29Ste you
32:31know and I me and you both know it's no
32:34different than when you was a little kid
32:36right and you reached in that cookie jar
32:39and you got caught after your mama told
32:40you not to get that cookie when she did
32:43you get a cookie no and whenever you
32:46tell a lie you feel bad about it right
32:49then one with every LIE there's a chance
32:52you going to get
32:54caught and that weighs on you
32:58cuz you know you did something
33:02bad am I right I didn't do it you didn't
33:06take the
33:07cookie
33:13no what' you do
33:18buddy I didn't do anything what' you do
33:21to
33:22Lauren I didn't do anything you saw
33:25Lauren last night though yesterday day
33:29no what time was it that she went out to
33:32do a laundry I don't know where were you
33:36at
33:36yesterday at home what' you do at home
33:41tell me everything you did
33:43yesterday from the time you woke up to
33:45the time you went to
33:50sleep I checked the news at what
33:54time I don't remember was it yesterday
33:57morning
33:59I don't remember what' you do when you
34:01woke
34:02up I think I checked the news all right
34:06you check the news
34:14okay what' you do after
34:18that I watch some videos
34:22online did you clean
34:25up no you didn't
34:29no you smell like you've been cleaning
34:31up like you've been using cleaner to
34:32clean up I know what that smells like my
34:35wife SMS like that all the time when she
34:37cleans her house you've been using some
34:39kind of cleaner to clean up your
34:41apartment Haven you no Stephen you
34:44telling me you live like a man how does
34:46your apartment get
34:48clean I clean it okay when was the last
34:52time you cleaned it
34:53Stephen I don't remember was it this
34:57week no you mean you go a whole week
34:59without cleaning yes
35:02why that's horrible
35:05Ste was it possibly over the weekend
35:07last weekend no it wasn't if you can't
35:13remember then how is it that you can
35:15tell me that you didn't clean up your
35:17apartment last
35:18weekend minute ago you couldn't
35:25remember I don't remember cleaning
35:28weekend so you it isn't that you didn't
35:31it's that you just don't
35:35remember
35:42right help me out
35:45buddy
35:46right I don't understand you don't
35:50understand
35:58I don't know how else to say it Stephen
36:00let me tell you what I
36:02think I think that she was a friend of
36:05yours look at her right
36:08here I think that she was a friend of
36:11yours and I think something happen
36:19St you used to watch her come in and out
36:22of her apartment didn't
36:24you
36:25no I mean then how would y'all friends
36:28if y'all if me and you friends we live
36:30next door to each other every time I see
36:33look at when I see oh that's my buddy
36:34going
36:35in because we friends I'm going to pay
36:38attention to when you come in and out
36:40didn't you just tell me that y'all were
36:42friends yes but you don't you didn't pay
36:45attention to when she came in and out
36:48no Stephen you're lying now you're
36:52lying you're just lying that's a lie
36:57you you ever see her come in and out of
36:59her apartment yes you did when was the
37:02last
37:03time I don't remember you don't remember
37:06like last week
37:08maybe I don't think so you don't think
37:12so Stephen you understand that
37:15everything that you're saying here
37:16doesn't make any sense at all
37:19none
37:21none you totally contradict everything
37:25that relates to human behavior
37:28we have skills to be a to observe things
37:30to hear things to see things there are
37:33natural things out there that draw our
37:34attention every day such as when you're
37:36driving down the road if somebody hits
37:38the horn you look around you know what
37:40I'm saying that's just a natural
37:42reaction if you're sitting in your
37:44living room you hear the door slam next
37:46to you you automatically think my
37:48neighbor's
37:49home right you're you're telling me that
37:53those kind of things don't happen in
37:54your
37:56life yeah if I watched I didn't watch
38:01have you noticed that she's came in and
38:02out of her house in the last week or
38:06two I don't
38:15remember what do you remember
38:18stepen the last time I saw her was two
38:21or three weeks ago do where at she was
38:25going out running when I was coming in
38:27where were you coming in from bar
38:30preparation bar
38:32preparation what's the bar preparation
38:35oh you're preparing for the bar exam yes
38:38oh
38:40okay well how y'all doing we're just
38:44talking he doesn't seem to remember a
38:47whole
38:49lot everything's yes or no I don't
38:54remember a lot of things aren't making
38:56any I got to be be honest with you
38:58Stephen me personally I don't feel like
39:01you're being
39:03honest okay well Stephen you said you're
39:07going to help me out right with this
39:09investigation because we needed your
39:11help we're asking you for help right
39:14that's what we remember I told you that
39:16yes and you told me you're going to help
39:18me yes right you're going to help me
39:21find Lauren right yes and ask for your
39:25opinion your observation of what
39:26happened there to her yes right what
39:30what did you tell me I thought someone
39:33snatched her
39:36right where do you think someone might
39:39have snatched her from when she if
39:41you're the detective if you're the
39:43police
39:44detective it's your
39:46investigation where would you start your
39:51investigation I don't know come on
39:54now you watch TV right
39:57yes okay you made it through college
40:00right yes you made it just about through
40:03law school right yes so you should
40:07know where would you start your
40:11investigation where she was last seen
40:15okay so in this case where was she last
40:19seen at garen's house Garen that's the
40:23guy that lives up on the street right
40:26friend of her
40:27yes
40:30okay all right and that was
40:33on I think she left there on Saturday
40:35morning yes am I right okay now where do
40:41you think she went from their house I
40:45don't know all right you're the
40:47detective now right it's your
40:51case what would you
40:53do check at her home okay we did
40:58that we you know that's what we did
41:01today right yes you saw us out there
41:04when we knocked on your door she's not
41:12there you know I need your help in
41:14finding
41:16her what do we need to
41:19do what do we need to do that we haven't
41:22done I don't know you don't know
41:28so if you had this case you wouldn't be
41:29able to solve it is that what you're
41:31saying because you're not smart enough
41:33to solve it I don't know or you think
41:36you're smart enough to be a
41:38detective I don't know
41:41no you got to be killing me
41:44Stephen you
41:46Stephen so Stephen listen to
41:50me we're real people and we're here to
41:53talk to you we're trying we're I'd like
41:56to think that we're friends friends okay
41:59friends communicate back and forth the
42:01only thing You' said is yes and no and I
42:03don't know okay it makes me feel like
42:07you're treating me like you don't like
42:09me and I feel like I've looked out for
42:11you today everything you said you wanted
42:14i' I've given you I've tried to give you
42:16food several times you know I feel like
42:18we talked you told me about how you like
42:20to look at point on the
42:22internet um you expressed to me that
42:25you're a virgin correct yes I mean
42:27that's the kind of stuff you tell
42:28friends you know what I'm saying right
42:32yes we we need to know where your other
42:34cars at I know you have I already know
42:36you own another car okay I don't own
42:38another car yes you do do you use
42:40another car you have another car it's
42:42not your name no no you don't Ste you've
42:45been using somebody else's
42:48car everyone I interviewed today say you
42:51have another car these people aren't
42:54making this
42:55up you have have another vehicle no I
43:01don't so your grandfather's a liar is
43:04that what you're
43:06saying you're calling your grandfather a
43:09liar I just talked to him and he said
43:12you own another car I
43:17don't so he's lied to me Stephen we're
43:21telling way too many lies in here so
43:23you're telling me their lies you're
43:24willing to tell me that you're a virgin
43:27and that you you told me you jack off
43:29the POR on the internet but you don't
43:31want to admit to having another car that
43:33makes me think you got something to hide
43:34Stephen that concerns me you tell me
43:38things that most people wouldn't tell
43:39somebody else but yet you lie about
43:41something simp trying did you have
43:43another car what's the big deal I don't
43:45have I got three cars you do you do no I
43:49don't it's not at your house what
43:50happened to it I've never had another
43:53car that's the only car you've ever had
43:54in making yes okay let me go talk to him
43:57again cuz that's not what he's
44:06saying
44:11stepen what happened to Lord I don't
44:14know you like her don't you she's my
44:17friend did you ever think about having
44:19sex with her no you never tried to talk
44:22to her on a dating level let me go talk
44:26they got a grandfather let me go talk
44:28make sure that he owns another car
44:33because he's telling us he
44:40doesn't right by so you telling me see
44:43that pretty girl right there yes you
44:46telling me you look at a pretty girl
44:48like that you never once thought ever
44:52man she looks
44:55good you know never thought
45:01that I don't
45:06understand what do you mean you don't
45:08understand did you know how when you
45:09sitting there you see a girl walking
45:10down the
45:11road and you say man that girl looks
45:14good you ever see a good looking girl
45:15you think yourself man that girl looks
45:17good yes you never thought that about
45:20her
45:22yes so you mean to tell me you look at
45:25porn on the internet
45:28and get off to that but you never looked
45:31at her and said man I wonder what it be
45:32like to have sex with her yes you have
45:39no have you ever thought about what it
45:41would be like to have sex with LA no
45:44you've never imagined having sex with LA
45:46no have you ever had sex with LA
45:52no what do you know about that body we
45:54found today I don't know you don't
46:08know what if I told
46:13you that I believe that you do
46:16know I don't what if I told you that I
46:18could prove
46:20it I don't know you don't
46:23know is there a chance
46:27but you do admit that there's a chance
46:30that I possibly have evidence to show
46:32that you do have something to do with
46:34that body
46:35correct I don't know you don't
46:39know because if I hadn't done anything
46:43I'd say nope there's no way but you say
46:46you don't know why is that why do you
46:48say you don't know is there a chance
46:50that maybe something's there no why did
46:53you say you don't know because I don't
46:56know cuz you're worried about something
46:58maybe something that happened that maybe
47:00something got mixed up with something
47:02and you're worried about that no the why
47:05do you say I don't know because I don't
47:08know how would you not
47:14know if I was asking you did you just
47:17rob a bank if you didn't you'd say no
47:20not I don't know right right so why do
47:23you say I don't know because I don't
47:26know you don't know if you had anything
47:28to do with that body I
47:30didn't you didn't no are you sure
47:35yes what if I said I could prove that
47:37you
47:38did I don't
47:42know could you explain
47:44it I don't
47:47know today you told an
47:50investigator that you were
47:54worried about us possibly finding blood
47:57in your apartment didn't you I don't
48:01remember you did now why would you be
48:04worried about
48:07that we all looked in Lauren's apartment
48:10did you see blood no then what would
48:13make you think that that there was blood
48:15taken over there nothing would make you
48:18think that unless you saw it cuz see I
48:21didn't see no
48:24blood none of other Law's friends saw
48:26blood but I know now that blood was
48:30there and now I believe you saw
48:34it you saw that blood you know that
48:38blood was there and that's why you're
48:40worried about it
48:44no did your no why do you have blood up
48:47in the inside of your
48:48nose I don't know
48:57you don't
48:59know but you saw that blood that's the
49:02only way that you would be worried about
49:04it because that's like
49:06saying I'm worried
49:10about red roses being under my pillow
49:14but yet I never put on that that doesn't
49:16make any sense you know um your brain
49:20doesn't even think to operate like that
49:22unless you knew something was
49:25there does that make
49:27sense that makes sense that you're a
49:29smart guy
49:33right I don't
49:37understand you knew that there was blood
49:39in that
49:40apartment no yes you did
49:45Stephen yes you
49:49did there's blood in your
49:51apartment Stephen
49:57that's
49:58right there's blood in your
50:01apartment Stephen this is hard buddy I
50:04know this is
50:06hard and I can tell it's on you want to
50:09let it go there's blood in your
50:11apartment Stephen you didn't get it all
50:14up it didn't all come off you scrubbed
50:18and you wiped but we can tell that don't
50:21you watch
50:25CSI yeah yeah we know
50:32it
50:34Stephen why is there blood in your
50:37bathroom I don't know yes you do know
50:40why Stephen I don't know is anybody else
50:42been in your
50:44bathroom the police were in there other
50:47than the
50:49police who else has been in there no one
50:52that I know no
50:54one and you recently cleaned your
50:56bathroom didn't you no how long ago I
51:00don't remember a couple days ago no over
51:04the weekend no no or you don't know I
51:08don't remember cleaning it do you use
51:11drugs no you ever use acid no are you
51:16you on medication no
51:28you're lying
51:29Stephen I wanted to give you an
51:31opportunity to tell
51:34it I wanted to be here with you to go
51:37through that process because I know
51:39you're not a monster
51:41man I know you're not a bad
51:44guy you're just a hardworking student
51:46trying to pass a bar exam ain't you you
51:49ain't got a lot of support from your
51:50family do you yes you do a lot of people
51:54can't say that and the fact that you do
51:57have support from your family should
52:00make things easy your family wants to
52:02feel like they've raised somebody that
52:04tells the truth and is honest right yes
52:07did you hurt that girl Stephen
52:10no have you ever heard anyone
52:13Stephen no
52:28never heard
52:30anyone no I've heard people
52:35Stephen I've made mistakes in my life
52:38it's not even normal to say you've never
52:39hurt
52:41anybody sometimes people get mad they
52:43say things they don't mean to say it
52:45hurts they never kicked a dog or a
52:49cat you ever hurt your the kids that
52:52live up there with your
52:54parents H you love those kids don't you
52:57yes okay and if something happened to
53:01one of those kids you'd be upset right
53:05yes well something happened
53:08to this lady's child
53:11Lauren
53:12okay you love your all the kids up there
53:16with your mama right yes and you do
53:19anything for them right yes I mean they
53:22called you and said hey we need you help
53:25us out you'd help them out right
53:27yes we need you to help us
53:30out
53:33okay tell me about your
53:36family I have four adopted siblings that
53:40you love very much right yes okay what
53:44about your mama she's a home maker okay
53:48what about your daddy he's a
53:52painter close
53:55family yall close
53:58yes when was the last time you talked to
54:01him when we got together what was that a
54:06few weeks
54:07ago did you go up there to see them or
54:10they come down here to see you we went
54:11to
54:13buckers I like buers the chicken place
54:16where the the table spins around
54:19yes you just drove up their metal yes
54:23okay
54:29they bring all the kids with them
54:33yes they didn't come back to make
54:37it well they asked you how you was doing
54:40in school and everything
54:47yes you you had told
54:50uh detec the Chatman that you've never
54:52shot any of those guns that were in your
54:55apartment yes
54:57have you no well you've never went to
55:00the shooting range here in Mak and did
55:02some
55:03shooting h
55:05no any gun
55:10no you did you made the mistake and tell
55:13people at school that you used to go to
55:14the shooting range and shoot no you've
55:17never said that
55:20no do you even know how to
55:23load yes SKS is that that was KS right
55:27no what was it an AK same well same
55:31thing just different you even know how
55:34to load it yes what kind of rounds it
55:37take
55:4076239 okay what's the capacity of that
55:43clip that you had 30
55:45rounds what's it
55:48loaded is it
55:50loaded the magazine is full okay you got
55:53a round in the chamber no why
55:57not safer that way safer it's just you
56:01in the apartment
56:03right yes why do you think it's safer
56:05that
56:07way no chance of it getting knocked over
56:09and going
56:11off I mean no one lives with you just
56:15you bullets can travel distance well how
56:19do you know
56:20that I've read up about it well
56:27on what the computer yes
56:31okay what about your
56:34pistols you never fired any of those
56:36pistols
56:38no were they loaded tonight magazine is
56:42full on the 10 mm okay there's one round
56:48in the chamber in 9 mm and the full
56:50magazine was the 9 mm the full size one
56:53or the compact one compact
56:59and you've never fired any of those
57:01weapons no where do you buy your ammo
57:04have you ever purchased any ammo here in
57:06making yes from where a toz guns V was
57:12that on vable Avenue yes when was the
57:14last time you was at a z guns years ago
57:18do you have a a permit yes caral you do
57:23here in bip County yes
57:27okay you applied when you was working
57:30down at the county or I applied last
57:34fall okay so you have your card yes is
57:37it with you yes can I see
57:42it they make they still make you take
57:44your fingerprint down there yes let me
57:47see your
57:50card how much does it cost now you
57:53remember around $80
58:01so it expires in
58:032016
58:06yes do you have any pictures of the kids
58:09no h no they didn't give you no pictures
58:12when they were in
58:14school got a picture of your parents no
58:17you got no pictures no at all not even
58:21at your apartment you have some at your
58:23apartment some okay
58:26what do the kids call you stepen okay so
58:32you're just their brother or uncle or
58:34brother brother Steven none of them ever
58:36come visit you here in mon no
58:56about this
58:58car when you first moved Mak did you
59:01have another automobile no never no when
59:06you moved to Mak you brought that Geo
59:08prison with you
59:10yes you never left a car back there at
59:12your mother's no why did you tell
59:15everybody at school that you had that
59:18other vehicle I
59:21didn't so everyone we talked to just
59:24made that story up about you talking
59:27about your other
59:29vehicle I don't have another
59:34vehicle when's the last time you've been
59:36to Kroger in baconville
59:38I don't
59:40remember okay because I asked you that
59:43when was the last time you were at
59:45Walmart I don't
59:47remember it's been a long time can you
59:50even give me that much
59:53no a week or so
59:57maybe do you even have a credit card yes
1:00:01which credit card do you use the most
1:00:04Visa is it just is a bank name or just a
1:00:08Visa First Financial Bank is that here
1:00:11in making no First
1:00:14Financial you got a bank account with
1:00:16them no whose account they just sent you
1:00:19a
1:00:20Visa you don't have no bank account I
1:00:23have where you putting your money
1:00:26you putting all your money in your house
1:00:28with all the food you got in there I
1:00:30have an account with wacovia here in mon
1:00:34yes is do you buy your uh stuff at
1:00:37Walmart with this Visa card no oh how do
1:00:41you usually pay for stuff at Walmart
1:00:43with
1:00:44cash do you have a job no well how do
1:00:48you get cash student loans so you're
1:00:52just living off your student loans yes
1:01:05so you hadn't worked like a job in a
1:01:07while
1:01:11yeah are are you planning on getting a
1:01:13job
1:01:17yes I mean because your loans are going
1:01:19to run out soon or later right yes
1:01:29how long you got left to finish your
1:01:31school up are you finished completely
1:01:34yes when are you planning on moving out
1:01:36of that
1:01:38apartment I mean when your lease up July
1:01:4115th where you plan on uh going when you
1:01:45move out back to my parents and where's
1:01:48that at l
1:01:56do you even know your mother's phone
1:01:58number I know the home phone number
1:02:00what's that what's the eror code up
1:02:02there 770 uhhuh 381 uhhuh
1:02:085031 what's your mother's name
1:02:15Glenda has she ever had a drug problem
1:02:19no she's been home your whole entire
1:02:21life raising you mostly where was she
1:02:24when she was mostly raising it preschool
1:02:28she a school teacher or something
1:02:42yes do you know
1:02:44how I've already told you that there was
1:02:47a body discovered right in the trash
1:02:49containers over there near your
1:02:54apartment do you you know how that body
1:02:56got in that trash can
1:03:01no do you have any black trash bags in
1:03:04your apartment like uh that you use for
1:03:07trash
1:03:09no do you can you help me do you know
1:03:12where any black trash bags are in that
1:03:14apartment complex I don't have you ever
1:03:16seen any around has someone been over
1:03:19there cleaning up
1:03:22or have you ever seen anybody painting
1:03:24an apartment
1:03:26have you seen any painters because
1:03:27you're hom of the day right yes have you
1:03:31seen any of that no do you know when the
1:03:34garbage man usually comes over there
1:03:38no do you know
1:03:40anything yes what do you
1:03:43know I asked you for help what do you
1:03:46know you haven't provided me with
1:03:50nothing I
1:03:51mean when was the last time you were in
1:03:54that laundry room at the apartment last
1:03:57night what were you doing last night
1:04:00Luke and I were looking for Lauren did
1:04:03y'all see anything unusual or out of
1:04:05place
1:04:07no okay there was one washer that had
1:04:10clothes in it whose clothes were they do
1:04:12you know Luke said they look like a
1:04:15guy's
1:04:16clothes but you didn't look in the
1:04:18machine I didn't look in detail
1:04:30what kind of knife did you have on you
1:04:32tonight a little throwing knife where'd
1:04:36you have it at in your front pocket
1:04:41yes do you own any saws
1:04:45or anything like that
1:04:49no there's not anything in your car is
1:04:51there no in the trunk or anything no
1:04:56when's the last time you actually drove
1:04:57your
1:04:59car like went somewhere in your
1:05:03car within the past few days all right
1:05:07today's well it's now Friday but
1:05:11yesterday was Thursday that's when you
1:05:13met me yes have you drove driven your
1:05:16car this week at all yes what day I
1:05:20don't remember you don't
1:05:23remember what do you remember about your
1:05:26car I drove to
1:05:28krer in baconville Cross the river when
1:05:33when do you think that might have
1:05:36been I don't
1:05:38remember you don't
1:05:48remember why would you go to
1:05:50croger to get something what dinner
1:05:56you got a lot of food in your house
1:05:57right
1:06:00yes what day do you think that might
1:06:02have
1:06:04been was it over the
1:06:06weekend no was it
1:06:10Monday I don't think so was it
1:06:14Tuesday I don't think so what day would
1:06:16you think it was if you had to pick a
1:06:18day what day would you hungry on
1:06:28Wednesday maybe
1:06:32Wednesday you don't remember what you
1:06:36bought dinner frozen dinner I like the
1:06:40frozen section microwave dinner
1:06:47no oh frozen dinner you cook in the oven
1:06:51yes okay did you go over there by
1:06:53yourself yes
1:06:56okay did you go anywhere else that night
1:07:00that day just over the Kroger and then
1:07:02you came home yes did you go anywhere
1:07:06this week like I don't know shopping at
1:07:10the mall or looking at guns ATZ or did
1:07:15you go anywhere else no when was the
1:07:18last time you cleaned your
1:07:20car I haven't since I got it back
1:07:24where'd you get it back from my
1:07:26parents how what they have it for their
1:07:29van was in a
1:07:32wreck so what did they do come get your
1:07:35car or
1:07:36yes so they came to make and got your
1:07:39car and then left the wreck was down
1:07:42here oh in Mak yes so they were staying
1:07:46with you when they were in the wreck
1:07:50no well what were they doing in making
1:07:53the van was going to be worked on
1:07:56here in Mak yes well where's the van at
1:07:59now do they got it back it was
1:08:03total so they were in making and they
1:08:06they were in a wreck in making my mom
1:08:09was and she was down here making
1:08:13because the air conditioner was
1:08:16malfunctioning why was she in making
1:08:18though because there's a place in making
1:08:21that's the best at air conditioning
1:08:24repair told her about to come down to
1:08:27Mak to get a recogition fixed no well
1:08:31how do you know that she told
1:08:34me so she just drove to Mak to get her
1:08:36air condition fixed yes she was in a
1:08:39wreck yes tot her out of her car her van
1:08:43yes so she came to your house to get
1:08:46your car I drove her
1:08:48back I was
1:08:53following he drove her back to where to
1:08:56my apartment where was the van it was
1:09:00toad okay cuz it's toad she stay at your
1:09:04apartment spend a night with you no she
1:09:07stayed just a few minutes and leave or
1:09:09what she stayed about an
1:09:12hour when was the last time you talked
1:09:14to your mother
1:09:15Glenda I don't remember has it been a
1:09:19while it's been a few
1:09:21days do you call her every day no you
1:09:25don't check on the kids
1:09:32no show me that scratch again that you
1:09:35showed me earlier that was it
1:09:39a what what did you say happened there I
1:09:42think I scratched myself in my
1:09:46sleep
1:09:50oh are you going to be able to help me
1:09:52with this case or not cuz I need to tell
1:09:54the parents something huh I don't
1:09:59know you don't know what you don't know
1:10:02what happened to her help why don't you
1:10:04know if you can help because I don't
1:10:07know if I know what you
1:10:09need I need to know if you know where
1:10:13Lauren's at or do you know who took
1:10:16Lauren I don't you told me that if you
1:10:19were work in the casage you would think
1:10:20somebody would take her when she was
1:10:22running why would you say that when we
1:10:25looked in our apartment there was no
1:10:27sign it was broken
1:10:33into okay so you're figuring somebody
1:10:35might have took her while she was out
1:10:37running yes is that what you're saying
1:10:40did you see her go running this weekend
1:10:42at all no that would help if you
1:10:46did what time did she normally run at
1:10:49night or
1:10:50daytime can you at least tell me
1:10:53that I don't know
1:10:55did you like to run in the early morning
1:10:57or the late
1:10:58night the last time I saw her was Midday
1:11:02like noonish yes okay she was going
1:11:07running when I was coming back from bar
1:11:11prep has that been a while two or three
1:11:17weeks okay she speak to you
1:11:21no you just just saw her out run I was
1:11:25in my
1:11:28car well did you see her when you like
1:11:30pulling in the parking lot or you just
1:11:31saw her running down the
1:11:34road was she outside her apartment
1:11:37getting ready to go run or was she
1:11:38already running at the time you saw her
1:11:41already running okay she was by running
1:11:43by herself yes she didn't have her dog
1:11:46with her did she
1:11:51no did you get along with everybody when
1:11:53you work down with the district attorne
1:11:55attorney's office yes no problems no do
1:11:59you like doing what
1:12:01you used to do down there or what
1:12:09yes who did you work for I mean who was
1:12:12your did you help out everybody or were
1:12:15you assigned to
1:12:16just a certain person mainly Jonathan
1:12:22Adams okay how long did you work down
1:12:24there
1:12:26spring
1:12:27semester you you enjoy doing that kind
1:12:30of work yes so you should be able to
1:12:32help me right yes because you're on our
1:12:35side right yes all
1:12:38right what do you think I need to do I
1:12:42don't know there we go again with I
1:12:44don't know come on now you can give me
1:12:47some
1:12:48advice
1:12:50right you can't give me some advice
1:12:56and what I should do
1:13:03next you can't tell me what you think I
1:13:06should do
1:13:07next I don't know well we found a body
1:13:12outside the apartment right we know that
1:13:15right
1:13:16yes you saying you didn't hear or see
1:13:20anything like the whole time you've been
1:13:22there over the weekend right right we've
1:13:24talked talked to you right right we've
1:13:27talked to most of all her friends is
1:13:30there anybody else we need to talk to
1:13:32that you might know that we
1:13:34didn't I don't
1:13:37know let's talk about the apartment
1:13:39complex anybody in that complex of what
1:13:41what anybody else we need to talk to I
1:13:44don't know who you have talked to
1:13:59who lives below you an older woman in
1:14:02her son were they home tonight or
1:14:06today I don't know you didn't see them
1:14:10no do you ever see them
1:14:16yes but you don't know if they were home
1:14:19today
1:14:20no she doesn't have a car so it's really
1:14:25hard to tell if her home yes you ever
1:14:28talk to her
1:14:31yes she work anywhere I don't
1:14:35know you ever get tired of saying I
1:14:37don't
1:14:48know what else you got in your wallet
1:14:50there
1:14:51brother my bear card what's that used
1:14:54for
1:14:55to get into the
1:15:00building what else you got my bank
1:15:06card my kroer card is that the card you
1:15:10use at grer
1:15:18yes I'm going write down this
1:15:22number since you don't know last time
1:15:25you were there I'm I'm assuming you used
1:15:28your card when you were there yes
1:15:32right I always use my
1:15:34card that's why I'm GNA write down a
1:15:41number you can remember that you always
1:15:43use your card but you can't remember
1:15:45last time you were there I always use my
1:15:48card what if you didn't use
1:15:51them what else you got in there
1:15:55my borders
1:16:06card ink
1:16:12card my
1:16:20ID what's
1:16:23that V
1:16:28registration what's that Mercer what's
1:16:30that Mercer lack cap card what's that
1:16:33use a free cab right home oh that's just
1:16:35the phone numbers numbers for cab
1:16:38companies here in
1:16:40Mak what's that car right
1:16:45there
1:16:50GameStop no phone numbers or
1:16:53anything no
1:17:04okay put your money back up in there
1:17:06there's a $100 bill up under there what
1:17:08are you rolling with all that money in
1:17:10your pocket for my granddaddy gave it to
1:17:23me do you take any medication no have
1:17:27you ever taken any medication no do you
1:17:31have any kind of mental problem
1:17:42no you know what's crazy I was talking
1:17:44to people that he works with and
1:17:46everything they talk about how he's
1:17:47always expresses himself but he don't
1:17:50know he's very talkative stepen they say
1:17:52you're so talkative buddy that you
1:17:54always so friendly you stop in and say
1:17:56hello and you talk what why is it that
1:17:59you're acting so short with us tonight
1:18:01if you if you have all this character
1:18:03personality about you why is it that
1:18:05everything that we get from you is yes
1:18:07no or I don't
1:18:08know I don't
1:18:11know well you sure we're talking to the
1:18:13media
1:18:15tonight weren't
1:18:18you they asked what happened yeah that's
1:18:21what we're asking you what happened
1:18:22what' you tell them I told you didn't
1:18:25knew that you didn't
1:18:31know do you drink at all do you drink
1:18:34beer
1:18:37no at least I got a know stuff I don't
1:18:44know
1:18:48Sten you
1:18:52know we have to go to our best resources
1:18:56when we're trying to do anything you
1:18:58know it's kind of like the guy who wants
1:18:59to get his oil changed he goes to JY
1:19:01Loop you know what I'm saying we're
1:19:03looking for Lauren and you said you were
1:19:05her
1:19:06friend aren't you her friend yes y'all
1:19:10good friends yes how good of friends are
1:19:13y'all good friends like how good of
1:19:18friends I don't understand you don't
1:19:21understand you don't understand how good
1:19:23a friend y'all are
1:19:25real I don't understand what you're
1:19:27asking how good of friends are y'all we
1:19:31friends are y'all close friends are
1:19:34y'all just
1:19:37acquaintances um y'all study I mean how
1:19:40good of friends are y'all we're friends
1:19:43are y'all really good
1:19:45friends I don't know you don't know how
1:19:49do you not know if you're not a really
1:19:50good friend let me ask you this maybe
1:19:54you're saying that because you don't
1:19:55know how she feels about
1:19:58you how do you feel about her do you
1:20:00consider her a really good
1:20:03friend she's a friend but not a really
1:20:07good
1:20:08friend I don't know you don't know how
1:20:10do you not know I don't know what you
1:20:13mean by really
1:20:16good are y'all really
1:20:18close no no you're not no so y you never
1:20:23told her any of your personal business
1:20:25no she ever tell you any of hers
1:20:29no you ever see her
1:20:32upset no she was always a happy person
1:20:34wasn't she
1:20:44yes why are you acting like this
1:20:49Stephen you see how I'm able to talk in
1:20:52complete sentences
1:20:55like we're having a conversation but the
1:20:57only thing you're bringing to the table
1:20:58is a yes no or I don't
1:21:04know why is that
1:21:08Stephen I don't understand you don't
1:21:12understand what don't you
1:21:16understand I want to be able to help you
1:21:18to Comm to be able to communicate with
1:21:19me better than that
1:21:21Stephen I feel like we can help each
1:21:23other
1:21:31Stephen did you hurt that girl
1:21:36no do you know where she's at
1:21:41no would you tell me if you did yes
1:21:55have you lied to me at all in this
1:21:57interview no yes you have
1:22:02Stephen you say you
1:22:05have when you say you don't know when
1:22:09the last time you cleaned your bathroom
1:22:12is that's a
1:22:15lie when you say you don't know the last
1:22:18time you saw her coming in out of her
1:22:21apartment and you don't notice whether
1:22:22or not she comes in and out
1:22:25that's another lie your door is only a
1:22:28few feet from
1:22:33hers you've told some lies in this
1:22:35interview
1:22:39Stephen without a
1:22:42doubt when was the last time you did
1:22:45laundry a few weeks ago you ain't washed
1:22:48clothes in a few
1:22:50weeks yeah why I have a lot of clothes
1:22:54no don't that's another
1:23:02lie that's right that's three lives Sten
1:23:05you don't have a lot of clothes yes I do
1:23:12nope you got enough underwear to last
1:23:15you three
1:23:16weeks
1:23:18yes do you wear the same pair of
1:23:20underwear more than one day
1:23:23yes why
1:23:26because it's still clean enough to
1:23:34wear Stephen I appreciate you coming
1:23:37down here today and talking to us okay I
1:23:40appreciate you cooperating with us and
1:23:44and helping us
1:23:46along but you've lied to me about at
1:23:48least three things in this
1:23:51interview and people don't ly us they
1:23:53got something to hide
1:23:56why would you lie to me stepen I didn't
1:23:58lie sure you did you said you don't even
1:24:02notice when she comes in and out of her
1:24:04apartment that's a lie
1:24:07Stephen I said I didn't remember the
1:24:09last time have you ever watched her
1:24:12going to her apartment no you've never
1:24:15how long y'all been neighbors three
1:24:17years three years you've never watched
1:24:19her walk through her front
1:24:21door yes
1:24:24five second I said you ever watched her
1:24:26walk into an apartment you said
1:24:32no so I'm going to ask you again have
1:24:34you ever watched her walk into her
1:24:36apartment
1:24:38yes when was the last
1:24:41time a long time ago how
1:24:44long before graduation it's been that
1:24:47long and you graduated when in May
1:24:56beginning of may end of May the
1:24:59middle and you hadn't seen her walk in
1:25:01her apartment S no did you ever help her
1:25:05carry up groceries and stuff like that
1:25:07no never no you have help her car a
1:25:12laundry
1:25:15no she's never needed your help with
1:25:18anything she asked for help with the
1:25:21computer you ever offer help with her
1:25:24for anything King stuff or anything like
1:25:26that yes like what Stephen when she was
1:25:30moving out during the first
1:25:33summer what did you do she needed help
1:25:37moving stuff to her car and you helped
1:25:40her yes so you went in out of her
1:25:42apartment moving stuff
1:25:46yes how long did you help her a few
1:25:50minutes that's it yes do you really
1:25:54that's how you're talking right now does
1:25:55it not feel weird to
1:25:57you no would you say that this is how
1:26:01you talk all the
1:26:03time I don't
1:26:08understand you're just not expressing
1:26:10yourself at all everything's with you is
1:26:13yes no I don't remember I don't
1:26:21understand you can't help me out with
1:26:23anything and you there's nothing you can
1:26:25tell me to help me about this beautiful
1:26:27girl right here Stephen that was your
1:26:32friend nothing you going to let things
1:26:34go down like
1:26:39this I don't know what you want I want
1:26:42the truth
1:26:43Stephen I don't know where she is let me
1:26:47ask you this you I truly believe you
1:26:49don't know where she is right
1:26:52now where was she
1:26:55yesterday I don't know
1:27:07liar that's
1:27:10right you're
1:27:17lying why are you lying Stephen I'm not
1:27:21lying yes you are
1:27:22lying how long you continue to do it
1:27:25she's got a mother and a father and a
1:27:27family out there that is sick over
1:27:31everything where's that little girl
1:27:33Stephen I don't know Stephen you
1:27:39know where I don't know
1:27:43Sten you going to look at this right
1:27:45here this little girl right
1:27:48here and you're going to say you don't
1:27:50know I know you
1:27:52know I don't know yes you know what are
1:27:55you going to say tomorrow when I say we
1:27:56got your hair with the
1:27:59body what are you going to say to me
1:28:03then cuz you know like I go like
1:28:06that look at my hair that's how easy it
1:28:10falls out look at all that on your head
1:28:14you don't think none fell out it
1:28:19did it did Stephen
1:28:24we just want to give you an opportunity
1:28:26to tell it so you didn't look like a
1:28:29monster at the end cuz you know what I
1:28:31don't believe that you're a monster
1:28:33Stephen I believe that you're a good guy
1:28:35you've been picked on girls didn't show
1:28:38you the respect that you deserve you did
1:28:40something stupid and I believe you feel
1:28:43bad about it and that's why you're all
1:28:45freaked out right
1:28:46now but I'm giving you the opportunity
1:28:49to get right I'm giving you an
1:28:51opportunity to show everybody you're not
1:28:53a monster that you feel bad about what
1:28:56happened your hair is there
1:28:59man your hair is there we got your hair
1:29:03with the
1:29:04body how is that
1:29:07Stephen I don't know yes you do
1:29:12know yes you do know
1:29:18Stephen that's right buddy see that
1:29:24look at
1:29:28it see how
1:29:33easy it happens and it happened to
1:29:39you why
1:29:43Stephen I don't understand oh you
1:29:46understand you understand exactly what
1:29:49I'm saying see this stuff right here
1:29:51your hair yeah it felt like out of your
1:29:54head when you was moving the body
1:30:01Stephen that's right you remember moving
1:30:04the
1:30:06body yeah yes you do
1:30:08[Music]
1:30:13Stephen why
1:30:16man what
1:30:19happened why
1:30:25tell me bud I didn't do it yes you did
1:30:28Stephen your heads with the body quit
1:30:34lying we want you to to tell it so that
1:30:36way people are understand you're not a
1:30:38monster things just you got out of
1:30:40control it's a
1:30:46sickness why'd you do it Stephen I
1:30:49didn't do Stephen why are you g to keep
1:30:52telling that
1:30:55you hurt that girl no I didn't yes you
1:30:58did
1:31:01Stephen you heard her
1:31:04man she was
1:31:07screaming screaming
1:31:10Stephen
1:31:13why and I know you feel bad about it I
1:31:17can see it in your
1:31:20face what came over you man
1:31:25what happened Stephen I don't
1:31:28know I know you don't know you can't you
1:31:32couldn't control it could you I didn't
1:31:35do it
1:31:37Stephen how long are we going to
1:31:39continue to do this you
1:31:42did why is what I want to know I didn't
1:31:46do
1:31:50it Stephen you hurt that girl man and
1:31:54you got on the news
1:31:56today that's right you know what you a
1:31:59talking like this on the news
1:32:04buddy
1:32:08yeah you heard this girl no I did yes
1:32:11you
1:32:14did you hurt that girl
1:32:31why' you hurt her Stephen I didn't you
1:32:34hurt that girl did you try to make her
1:32:36have sex with you I didn't
1:32:39huh who did it I don't they got your
1:32:42hair they steal your hair and take it
1:32:44over
1:32:48there Stephen they steal your hair
1:32:55they didn't did
1:32:59they did they
1:33:03Stephen that's right it's all sinking in
1:33:07right
1:33:08now he knows is what you're
1:33:11thinking Stephen I don't want it to be a
1:33:13game between me and
1:33:17you I know it hurts and I know you're
1:33:20not an awful person and you want to tell
1:33:22it your hair was there Stephen we've all
1:33:25known it all
1:33:28along we wanted just to give you an
1:33:30opportunity to tell what
1:33:35happened do y'all have
1:33:37sex
1:33:39no do you try to have sex no you think
1:33:44about having
1:33:45sex no
1:33:48liar kind of man do think about having
1:33:50sex
1:33:56you said earlier you like girls right
1:33:59yes you said she's a pretty girl right
1:34:01yes what' you do to her Stephen I didn't
1:34:05do anything you're lying you hurt that
1:34:07girl no I didn't sure it did that's why
1:34:10you're having this massive meltdown
1:34:12right now cuz you can't live with
1:34:14yourself can
1:34:16you it's overwhelming you isn't it tell
1:34:20the truth Stephen I didn't do it who did
1:34:23it I don't know yes you do
1:34:41Stephen
1:34:45why why did you Hur that girl I
1:34:49didn't why' you hurt her St I didn't
1:35:07you hurt that girl no I did sure you
1:35:11did you know it and I know
1:35:14it you just don't want to tell it
1:35:17Stephen but that's okay I know it I just
1:35:20want to give you an opportunity to tell
1:35:22it so people didn't think you were a
1:35:29monster you're not a monster are you st
1:35:35no I know
1:35:38buddy I know you're not a
1:35:41monster tell me what
1:35:44happened I don't know you tried to have
1:35:47sex with her no she didn't want to have
1:35:49sex with you I didn't do it she didn't
1:35:52want to have sex with you
1:35:54St I don't know you don't know if she
1:35:56wanted to have sex with you I didn't do
1:36:00anything yes you did
1:36:07Stephen you went into her apartment
1:36:12St and you hurt that girl no I
1:36:18didn't you did Buddy
1:36:25you heard her St no I didn't yeah you
1:36:32did why won't you tell me
1:36:35stepen I didn't do
1:36:46it I'm take this with me you don't
1:36:48deserve to look at
1:36:50it just stay right here okay okay
1:36:55I appreciate all your cooperation
1:36:58tonight okay
1:37:22okay
1:37:52e
1:38:22e
1:38:52e
1:39:22e
1:39:52e
1:40:22e
1:40:52e
1:41:22e e
1:42:18all right we're getting ready to go I
1:42:19just need to discuss a few more things
1:42:21with you
1:42:23you know the reason why we're down here
1:42:25is because Lauren's missing right yeah I
1:42:28just need
1:42:29you to please tell
1:42:34me give me
1:42:36an where you I know earlier today you
1:42:39told me you stayed home all weekend
1:42:41right in your apartment
1:42:45yes and
1:42:48uh did anybody see you did you talk to
1:42:52anybody over the week weekend were you
1:42:54on your computer all weekend is there
1:42:56any I can look at that I can
1:43:01say he couldn't be involved because he
1:43:04was on the
1:43:06computer or he was online on a pornite
1:43:11or he was online doing College work or
1:43:15anything that would exclude you as being
1:43:18involved all together I mean did anybody
1:43:21see you this weekend at the house did
1:43:24you go out to get a
1:43:27newspaper did you wave to a neighbor or
1:43:30you just locked yourself in all week yes
1:43:33nobody saw you no I mean what do you
1:43:37just stay in the house all day yes I
1:43:40mean what do you do all day in the house
1:43:43play video games by yourself
1:43:46yes you never talk to anybody on the
1:43:49phone or anything if they call me well
1:43:52who called
1:43:54you
1:43:56parents I mean you've always done that
1:43:58your whole life you don't have no
1:44:00friends how can you go your whole life
1:44:02without a
1:44:03friend I have friends where they
1:44:11at where they
1:44:15at you have any friends here in making
1:44:18yes name one cuz everybody I talked to
1:44:20said they ain't your friend my grand
1:44:24Cass Lawson Ashley
1:44:27morous car love that's the same people I
1:44:30talked to today and they're not your
1:44:33friend
1:44:36okay they're not your
1:44:43friend I
1:44:46mean it's all over
1:44:50anyways I just want to know what was
1:44:52going on tonight
1:44:56the game's over I
1:45:00mean we know what you did to her so we
1:45:02just want to know what you if you were
1:45:04going to tell us or not I didn't do
1:45:07anything that's what you
1:45:10say but we know different so you're
1:45:13either
1:45:16way you're
1:45:20we already know
1:45:26and everybody out there all your friends
1:45:27know that you're down here because of
1:45:30what happened
1:45:31along so all those friends that you
1:45:33thought you had are not your friends
1:45:39anymore okay there'll be no more video
1:45:44games all
1:45:51right this is the end
1:45:55is there anything you want to say I
1:45:57didn't do anything that's what you
1:46:03say that's what you say stick to your
1:46:07story because it's over we're tired
1:46:10talking to
1:46:12you okay we know you killed her we know
1:46:16you put her body in the trash
1:46:19can simple as that
1:46:23the news media knows
1:46:25it Glendon knows it your
1:46:28mother your sister knows it your
1:46:32sister's husband knows it the one that
1:46:34used to beat your sister he knows
1:46:37it you know what he
1:46:40said he said he's a crazy
1:46:43is what he said when I called
1:46:46him that's your own family calling you
1:46:48crazy
1:46:53your own family said you
1:47:03crazy nobody wants to see
1:47:06you nobody's coming to visit
1:47:12you so you can sit there with that dumb
1:47:14look on your face but it's
1:47:19over you enjoyed yourself and it's all
1:47:22over now
1:47:28okay anything you want to say I don't
1:47:30know I didn't do anything well that's
1:47:33what you
1:47:34say but I'm telling you you
1:47:37did okay simple as that you're not in
1:47:40charge I
1:47:43am I just took it away from
1:47:46you that's one thing you can't change
1:47:49brother you can't change that
1:47:53you are no longer in charge of
1:48:01anything okay you understand
1:48:12that talk to
1:48:15Glenda she's crying
1:48:24she's supposed to be coming down
1:48:29there I told them the whole
1:48:34story they told me what you used to tell
1:48:36them about your next door neighbor
1:48:44too yeah what what you can't say nothing
1:48:49now you're speechless
1:48:55H yeah she should be here in a little
1:48:59bit I promised her I'd let her see you
1:49:01and the kids I don't know if she's
1:49:03bringing them all or not before you go
1:49:04on
1:49:05down all
1:49:08right okay I didn't do anything doesn't
1:49:12matter what you think you
1:49:14did doesn't matter it's what I can
1:49:17prove okay
1:49:22okay Mr Smarty
1:49:28Pants promised her I'd let her see you
1:49:31so I'm waiting on them to get out
1:49:33here all
1:49:40right
1:49:42okay I'm taking Glenda statement about
1:49:44what you used to tell her about your
1:49:49neighbor about what you to tell her
1:49:51about your guns and your knives and your
1:49:54sister's husband's
1:49:56coming cuz he said you're
1:50:02crazy your sister is married still right
1:50:06yes M he used to beat her back in the
1:50:08day I don't
1:50:14know well you sit in here think about it
1:50:16for a little bit
1:50:18okay
1:50:20okay got plenty of time to think now
1:50:23don't
1:50:24you
1:50:27H
1:50:30yeah got plenty of time to think you
1:50:32thought you were smarter than everybody
1:50:34else but you're
1:50:37not you're
1:50:41not sad thing about it is you probably
1:50:43could have made something with your
1:50:45life you chose a different route because
1:50:48one you don't have a girlfriend and two
1:50:52you're never going to get a
1:51:05girlfriend I'm
1:51:08listening all
1:51:11ears I don't know what you want me to
1:51:14say don't you say
1:51:17nothing you're either way
1:51:23do you understand
1:51:24that I didn't do
1:51:27anything that's what you that's your s
1:51:35story that's your side of the
1:51:45store works both ways
1:51:49brother birth ways
1:51:53ain't going to be no more yelling ain't
1:51:56nobody going to yell at you they're
1:51:59going to come in here and cry kiss you
1:52:02goodbye I'm going to take their
1:52:04statement and it's all
1:52:09over you do understand that right I
1:52:13didn't do anything that's what you
1:52:18say that's what you say cuz you haven't
1:52:21told us anything
1:52:30do you realize what I'm telling
1:52:38you okay well you sit there and think
1:52:40about it a little bit okay I'll come
1:52:43back and check on you
1:52:58thought you were smarter than
1:53:01everybody but you
1:53:05up you
1:53:08up somebody always Le something a crime
1:53:12say get up
1:53:22it
1:53:25up first I didn't really believe you had
1:53:27anything to do with
1:53:34it that's a man it couldn't have been
1:53:36him he used to work down da off with us
1:53:39he's a good
1:53:40guy he used to help us out friendly guy
1:53:43and
1:53:45everything could have be him he could
1:53:47have done something like that
1:54:05but we're through talking to
1:54:08you just waiting for them to come visit
1:54:14you are you do with your little show
1:54:16you've been putting on all
1:54:20day are you three
1:54:28you're not going to
1:54:30win too much
1:54:34evidence too much
1:54:45evidence apprciate you talking to me
1:54:47though just hang tight Linda be down
1:54:49here in a minute I'll usually take her
1:54:51to drive down
1:54:53interstate I don't know tight okay
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