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0:00[Music]
0:10all right
0:11i just gotta ask you a few questions
0:16uh you came down earlier tonight me and
0:17you talked all right
0:19you don't have any weapons on you do you
0:21yeah that's just you what's wrong
0:24you know detective patterson right yes
0:26do you remember
0:27put your hands up here you remember us
0:28talking earlier tonight
0:31right you remember me earlier in the day
0:34yes we came down here and talked a
0:36little bit and then we left
0:38yes okay i need to know
0:41about this girl right here you know her
0:44yeah who is that lauren gettings
0:48does she live next door to you yes
0:52when's the last time you seen her two or
0:55three weeks ago okay
0:58was you friends with lauren yes look at
1:01me and talking son
1:02okay was you friends with her
1:05yes close friends we were good i mean
1:08y'all were friends right both of y'all
1:11all students you're studying to be an
1:12attorney right
1:13yes what kind of law do you want to go
1:15into criminal law yes
1:17is that what you want to do for a living
1:18yes okay
1:20are you almost finished yes okay so you
1:23don't have too much more to do right
1:25no all right are you going to
1:28stay here in macon i don't know did you
1:31used to work at the district attorney's
1:33office in macon
1:34yes was you on the prosecutor side or
1:38the defense side
1:39prosecutor so you were on our side
1:42right you never worked on the other side
1:44no did you like it when you were down
1:46there
1:46yes got along with everybody
1:50yes okay and you'd lived next to lauren
1:54for a long time
1:55yes okay do you know where she's at
1:58tonight
1:59no no have you ever seen her with that
2:02dress on
2:05no you have no idea where she's at
2:09no okay
2:13oh
2:21yes
2:35okay uh my major didn't do that but okay
2:38all right all right
2:43look just tell me what happened brother
2:47i don't know where she at i need you i'm
2:50asking you for your help
2:53i'm a detective and i'm asking you for
2:55your help
2:57okay i'm asking you for help i need your
3:01help can you help me i don't know
3:06you don't know if you can help me yes i
3:09need your help
3:10help me out tell me what to do has
3:13anybody asked you for help today
3:16i need your i'm asking you as a friend
3:20for help can you help me
3:25i don't know what do you mean you don't
3:28know
3:29you can't help a friend out i don't know
3:32what you need
3:32i need to know where lauren's at i don't
3:35know
3:36when's the last time you seen her two or
3:38three weeks ago
3:40has anybody have you ever seen anybody
3:42over her house last couple nights
3:45okay if you knew where she was would you
3:49tell me
3:50yes
3:53what do you think happened to her i
3:56don't know
4:03do you even care that no one can find
4:05her yes
4:09i mean i don't know do you yes
4:19do you have a girlfriend no
4:23did you think lauren was your girlfriend
4:26no
4:32i mean you said you didn't have any
4:36other cars right
4:38right why would your everybody you went
4:41to school with
4:42for the last three and four years said
4:46that you own another car other than that
4:48geoprism
4:50everybody i've talked to all your
4:52friends you were in school with
4:54people that you worked at the district
4:56attorney's office with said you have
4:57other cars other than that car
5:01and you're going to sit here today and
5:02tell me you don't have another car
5:04i don't where is it at i don't have one
5:08you never had another car besides that
5:10geoprism yeah so if i call your
5:12granddaddy he's going to tell me
5:14that you only have one car yes
5:18what's his phone i don't know yeah
5:24you don't know phone number no
5:37i mean you seriously can't help this out
5:40his number is in my cell phone where's
5:43the start where's your cell phone
5:45at the apartment in your apartment
5:48i mean it's kind of like to be calling
5:50him does he stay up late
5:52i don't know
5:55do you have a grandmother or just him my
5:58grandmother passed away
6:00a while back yes
6:03but you're close to your grandfather
6:05right yes
6:07i mean he owned some property or
6:09something he said a couple of acres
6:12my granddaddy or my grandfather
6:16who lives in pike county my granddaddy
6:18does he own any land down there
6:20yes okay and just sometimes you go down
6:23to visit him or something
6:25last time we met i went down and visited
6:28with my aunt
6:29and uncle
6:32what did he do for a living was he an
6:34attorney like you're
6:36he worked for the southern railroad
6:37company
6:39is anybody in your family an attorney no
6:41you're the only one that went through
6:42law school
6:43yes well that's an accomplishment don't
6:47you think
6:48yes i mean it took a long time right
6:52yes a lot a lot of studying
7:02you i think you told me earlier you were
7:04from up atlanta or
7:06did you live in atlanta or griffin or
7:08something like that
7:10you don't have any family left up there
7:12yes well who lives up there
7:14my parents okay any brothers or sisters
7:19my sister lives in tucker georgia
7:22yes what's up with a pair of underwear
7:25that was in your apartment
7:27it was like a mask it was cut out like a
7:30mask do you
7:32you cut underwear out to look like mask
7:34no
7:37how many guns did you have in your
7:39apartment three
7:41what are they do you know what they are
7:44a rifle what kind of rifle do you have
7:48an ak semi-automatic where'd you buy it
7:51from
7:52classic arms is that atlanta or
7:55something
7:55online okay what kind of pistols do you
7:59own
8:00eaa witness full size
8:04and compact okay what is that what about
8:07the one that was on the bed
8:09that's the full size that's the full
8:11size one where's the what was the other
8:13one
8:14the compact where was that on the table
8:17by the bed yeah remember i was in there
8:22then you had that samurai sword yes
8:25that's just a
8:26i mean that's not ex it's an expensive
8:28sword or it's just a knockoff it's just
8:29one of the knock-off swords
8:31yes and what about the knife which
8:34the big the one that was remember you
8:36showed me it was dull
8:38yes what kind of life is that because i
8:40don't know
8:41kukri where do you get something like
8:44that online
8:45i bought it from a friend did you have
8:48any other knives in the house
8:50yes that i didn't see because you didn't
8:52show me no other knives that's the only
8:54one you showed me what other knives did
8:55i miss
8:56there's a pocket knife that's on the
8:58table are you a knife collector or a
9:01knife
9:01person or no you just like knives
9:05i used to collect swords i mean do you
9:08know your swords
9:09you don't need to sell and trade swords
9:12no
9:13but you just bought here and there yes
9:16but you wouldn't consider yourself like
9:17a sword expert
9:18no okay because you know they have that
9:21tv
9:22show where they sell stuff you know at
9:24night
9:25on tv but i don't know what it's called
9:28the knife shop
9:28or something like that have you ever
9:31seen what i'm talking about i don't know
9:32if you have cable tv or not all right
9:42you know tonight
9:46we're still looking for lawn you know
9:49any of these other girls in this picture
9:55i know that she goes to the law school
9:58and i can't remember her name
9:59so she's still gonna be an attorney too
10:02yes okay
10:05is that how lauren looked with the long
10:07hair the last time you seen her
10:09yes that's how she looks yes
10:23oh this was in 2010
10:41who do you think took lauren away
10:44i don't know well i need your help
10:48can you give me some what what is your
10:51observation of this
10:53i know you're smarter okay
10:58i know you have an observation you can
11:01tell me what's
11:02what do you think happened to her i
11:05think someone took her
11:11if you think
11:14i mean you watch tv shows right like you
11:17take the show
11:18what's your observation how do you think
11:20somebody would take her
11:21if somebody did take her when she was
11:24running
11:26does she normally run all the time she
11:29runs
11:30i don't know how often you mean you
11:33think somebody might have took her when
11:34she was running like down the street
11:36somewhere
11:37yes
11:41you don't think somebody got her when
11:43she got back to her apartment
11:45i don't know
11:49well you know there was a body found in
11:51the trash can next to the apartments
11:53yes you do know that and it's a female
11:57white female's body right there
12:01right next to y'all's apartment
12:04feet within from her apartment
12:10i mean
12:14we don't know 100 sure it's lauren
12:18but we're pretty confident it is
12:21we're waiting for some tests to be done
12:25to be 100 sure i mean who would
12:28who would do something somebody throw
12:31them in a trash can
12:32i don't know i'm asking for your advice
12:35or your
12:36observation who in your complex
12:41would do something like that you live
12:43over there for three years
12:45that's tonight's the first night i think
12:46i've ever been over there
12:49in your expert opinion
12:52of all your knowledge of going through
12:55law school and all that
12:57who in that complex do i need to talk to
13:02i don't know no names come to mind you
13:05can't help me out a little bit
13:12you can't help me out i don't know
13:15you don't know anybody
13:19at all that lives in that complex
13:25you know earlier you told me about a guy
13:27that lived in apartment 15.
13:30i mean is he a decent guy i think so
13:35don't y'all have a laundry room there or
13:37something yeah that everybody has access
13:39to the laundry room
13:41yes has anybody been working on the
13:45apartments
13:46below you in the last couple weeks that
13:48you've noticed
13:50i haven't seen anyone
13:54but you don't you don't know if they've
13:56been doing work on that apartment
13:57number one no
14:05i mean earlier today me and you sit here
14:07and talk normal what's going on with you
14:09now why are you acting like this
14:11i need to know why all of a sudden
14:15you're acting like this
14:18i don't understand okay earlier today we
14:22sat here and talked
14:25but now you're acting like you don't
14:27know what's going on
14:35when did something happen or something
14:37to you
14:41i mean why are you not why are you
14:42shutting down why are you not talking to
14:44me
14:46i don't know you don't know are you
14:48scared
14:49no
14:53i mean you're not scared are you no
14:57are you sad that something happened
14:59alarm if that's her in that trash can
15:01yes
15:10once last time you said you can't
15:13remember the last time
15:14earlier today that you took the trash
15:15out to the trash can
15:18right am i wrong right i mean cause you
15:21said you like stayed inside the whole
15:24the whole weekend i think because you
15:26had all your food and all that
15:29you never went to kroger over the
15:30weekend or walmart or anything
15:33i don't remember but you could have
15:38i don't know when you go to kroger when
15:41you do go to the store to get your food
15:44do you use a credit card or you pay cash
15:47cash do you have a kroger card yes
15:51okay so the crowler card should be able
15:53to tell if you were
15:54at kroger this weekend right yes
16:03did you swipe your car to just enter
16:05your cell phone number they scan it
16:08well cause i ain't on my phone though
16:10cause i can't never remember to bring my
16:12car
16:16but you don't remember if you went over
16:17the bay you drive your car
16:19you walk over there i drive
16:22you ever go to walmart on the east town
16:25a great highway
16:26or which walmart do you go to when you
16:28go to walmart prairie highway
16:30you don't ever go out to zeblin road i
16:33don't think so
16:34you never been out there you know
16:36where's evelyn wrote the new walmart
16:38you know you know so you just
16:41basically go to the long grail way yes
16:45okay do you know where you're at tonight
16:49yes where are you at detective bureau
16:52okay
16:56and you know why we've been working all
16:58day trying to find lauren right
17:01yes because her family wants to know
17:02where she's at
17:04yes and i don't know what to tell her
17:05family
17:07so i'm asking you what do i need to tell
17:10her family
17:11i don't know what do you want me to tell
17:14them i don't know
17:17huh you're gonna have to tell me what to
17:21tell her family
17:23it's all on you brother what do you
17:26wanted me to tell her family
17:29huh i don't know well i need to know
17:34i need to know
17:37okay
17:41just something happened to lord and you
17:42know you need to tell me
17:48if you know something because i need to
17:50know
17:52because their families down here
17:55want to know what happened to her i
17:58don't know
18:04you don't know no that's what you want
18:07to tell our mother
18:08and our father that you don't know
18:11i don't know not that you're sorry that
18:13she's missing
18:15i thought you've been trying to help me
18:16all day find her but you just wanted
18:18me to tell her i don't know
18:22i don't know are you a sorry piece of
18:24[ __ ] that you want me to tell her that
18:28you got your ass on that [ __ ] news
18:32and stood out there and gave a media
18:36report that her mother saw
18:40about her missing daughter
18:43and you want me to sit there and tell
18:45them that you don't know
18:49is that what you want me to tell them
18:51because you're all over the news
18:54you sure stood out there and ran your
18:56mouth to the news media
18:58but now you're gonna get out here and
19:00you don't [ __ ] know
19:03you know you're just a sorry piece of
19:06[ __ ]
19:07that don't give a [ __ ]
19:10right yeah well why'd you tell the media
19:14everything
19:16do you need to see what you told the
19:17media today it was on 11 o'clock news
19:20well i'm asking you tell me
19:24i wanna know i don't know where she is
19:28that ain't what you told the media
19:34you didn't stand in front of that camera
19:35and say i don't know i don't know
19:39i don't know
19:50right you buy all these weapons
19:54was you ever in the military no
19:59what do you need all these weapons for
20:01are you scared somebody's gonna hurt you
20:03no what do you need all these weapons
20:06for
20:08to have why there's a reason why
20:12were you molested as a child no
20:15then why do you need all these weapons
20:18to have
20:18why give me one good reason
20:23just give me one reason to have wow
20:27does it make you feel important no
20:32are you a big guy because you got a
20:33weapon no
20:35do you even know how to use it yes
20:40i need you to tell me what you want me
20:43tell her mother
20:44and that i won't ask you another thing
20:47i'm not going to tell her mother that
20:48you don't know
20:49because her mother saw you on the news
20:51tonight
20:52and she cried all the way down to making
20:56because you had the balls to get on the
20:58news and tell everybody everything
21:03you didn't have no problem talking to
21:04the news when they asked you questions
21:09i'm asking you questions where's lauren
21:14i don't know yes you do know you do know
21:20you do know you know
21:25you know
21:28you do know
21:32and everybody in macon knows you knows
21:33because you got your sorry ass on the
21:35news and told everybody
21:37so every friend you have in making
21:41knows that you know
21:46everybody go to school with every one of
21:49your professors
21:50everybody those that you know
21:55because you got on the news tonight and
21:57told everybody that you know
22:01now how do you think
22:07you think you're gonna walk down the
22:08street tomorrow and nobody bother you
22:14think nobody's gonna come over and knock
22:15on your door
22:18to see if you want to talk to me again
22:22no oh they're gonna be over there
22:24brother
22:27so this little act that you're doing
22:28right now
22:30ain't working with me okay
22:34because you didn't have no problem
22:36talking to the media
22:40no problem so you just
22:44snap out of it and tell me what the hell
22:46happened
22:47so we can move on
22:51i don't know well how many times you
22:54gonna say i don't know
22:57huh how many times you gonna say it
23:04what are you gonna say i remember but
23:07don't want to remember
23:08what happened to her how many times you
23:11gonna say that
23:15if you did something
23:18that you regret
23:22you let me know i
23:25didn't well who did
23:28i don't know well a body was found over
23:32here
23:32right next to where you live and what do
23:36you have in your apartments
23:38a lot of knives
23:41a lot of guns
23:45right yes
23:54and i'm asking you about it and you're
23:58just saying i don't know
24:01that's all that's the only answer you
24:02can give is i don't know
24:04but six hours or a couple hours ago you
24:06was out there telling the media
24:07everything
24:08you didn't stand in front of that camera
24:09and say i don't know
24:11you actually answering questions
24:16right
24:18how many interviews you give three i
24:21don't know
24:22well you gave like three
24:25do you think that was a proper thing to
24:27do when a mother's looking for her child
24:31they asked me what happened and what did
24:33you tell them
24:35what did you tell her that lauren was
24:38missing
24:39okay what else did you tell that we had
24:42gone looking for her
24:45okay and what
24:48and that we hadn't found
24:52what else did they asked you i don't
24:54remember
24:55why don't you remember i don't
24:59you're telling me that you went through
25:03law school
25:04well you went through college first
25:06right you graduated from college
25:08yes now you're in law school do you
25:09graduate from law school
25:11yeah but you don't [ __ ] remember what
25:12they asked you this afternoon
25:14no huh i just don't [ __ ] believe that
25:18[ __ ]
25:21came back yet
25:24what's up buddy
25:27you talked to him about his guns yeah
25:29when was the last time you shot those
25:31guns
25:31i haven't you've never shot a gun no
25:34have you ever shot any gun in your whole
25:36life no
25:38no no
25:42you bought three guns that you've never
25:43shot yes
25:45why to have for what
25:50to have for what i'm asking for what
25:54why do you want to have them what makes
25:56did they give you i mean tell me why
25:58it's important to you to have three guns
26:06that's an easy question come on talk to
26:09me buddy me and you talked all day today
26:11we ain't had a problem communicating why
26:14is it important for you to have three
26:15guns
26:20do you not know no okay
26:24um you got a girlfriend no
26:28who's your best friend michael quinn
26:32michael who quinn who was he
26:35he was a law student with me is he's
26:38just
26:38does he still a law student no he
26:40graduated
26:42when was the last time you talked to him
26:44before he moved up to boston
26:46how long ago was that a few weeks a few
26:49weeks like
26:50a month two months two weeks three weeks
26:52what
26:54the beginning of june beginning of june
26:58beginning of june
27:01okay
27:05so let me ask you a question how you say
27:07you don't know what lauren is right
27:09right you said you told me earlier you
27:13and lauren were friends right
27:14yes how would you describe y'all's
27:17relationship
27:19she was my friend she was your friend
27:23what did you ever do things for she ever
27:25do things for you what did she ever do
27:27for you
27:29we jogged we talked what'd y'all talk
27:31about
27:33news the news
27:36okay um earlier you were telling me
27:40something about you fixed your computer
27:41before
27:42i couldn't fix it you couldn't fix it
27:45what was wrong with it i don't remember
27:48how long ago was that
27:53around graduation well how long ago was
27:55that
27:57middle of may middle of may so you were
28:00over in her apartment in the middle of
28:01may
28:02yes have you been over there since then
28:05yes
28:05when was the last time you were over
28:06there last night
28:09before last night have you ever been
28:11over there with lauren
28:13since the time you worked on her
28:14computer in the middle of may
28:16no how many times have you been in her
28:18apartment with her hanging out
28:28you don't know
28:32if you had to guess what was just
28:35i mean one time two times three times
28:38what
28:42maybe two maybe two see if i had only
28:45been somewhere twice
28:47i could remember that if i had been
28:49there
28:50over 50 times and you asked me how many
28:52times i've been like i don't know a lot
28:54but the fact that you've only been there
28:56twice when i say how many times been you
28:57say
28:58you don't know that's just odd to me
29:01does that make sense to you yes
29:04that does make sense so what i'm saying
29:06right now makes sense
29:10no
29:14when was the last time you saw a lawn
29:16two or three weeks ago
29:18and you have you been on vacation for
29:19the last couple weeks
29:21no you've been home every night yes has
29:24she been at home every night
29:26i don't know has she been on vacation
29:29i think she was away for a while how
29:32long
29:33i don't know what are you looking for no
29:38let me tell you even if i didn't talk to
29:40my neighbors
29:41i know if my neighbors have been in and
29:44out i hear them come in
29:45i hear them go out i see them when they
29:47walk by my window i've lived in
29:48apartments most of my life
29:51so the fact that you haven't seen her in
29:52two or three weeks
29:54that's just odd to me i'm gonna be it
29:57makes me feel like you're not being
29:58honest with me
29:59steven
30:03why would you not be honest with me i am
30:05being honest steven it just doesn't feel
30:07like it buddy
30:09you know i get the sense
30:12that there's something weighing heavy on
30:15your heart right now
30:17and it's breaking you down
30:21and you feel bad about it i can tell
30:24you haven't slept much have you in the
30:27last few days have you
30:28no like something's weighing on your
30:31mind ain't it
30:32we were looking for lauren you started
30:34looking for lauren yesterday
30:36yes but you haven't slept in several
30:38days have you
30:40yes you have yes earlier when i talked
30:43to you you said you hadn't slept the
30:44days that
30:45this morning was the first time he was
30:46able to get any sleep was this morning
30:48for a little bit no yes that's what you
30:52said
30:56that's what you told me
31:01so i asked you well if you haven't been
31:02able to sleep in several days what have
31:04you been doing studying and you said yes
31:05studying you don't remember that
31:16no
31:19what i want you to do i'm going to ask
31:21you this question
31:23i want you to describe to me how you
31:25feel right now
31:35you don't know how to answer that with a
31:37yes or no do you
31:39i don't know what's going on
31:44lauren's missing
31:48this pretty little girl right here your
31:51neighbor
31:55she's missing i know
31:59you went looking for her last night yes
32:04did you hurt lauren no
32:07stephen did you hurt lauren no
32:10i know this is hard for you to tell it
32:14but it's weighing on you right now ain't
32:16it steven
32:17i didn't do it but i know you could
32:20probably help me
32:22with who did
32:25can't you buddy i don't know
32:31steven you know and i
32:35mean you both know it's no different
32:36than when you was a little kid right
32:40and you reached in that cookie jar and
32:41you got caught after your mama told you
32:43not to get that cookie
32:45when she was you did you get a cookie no
32:48and whenever you tell a lie you feel bad
32:51about it right then
32:52one with every lie there's a chance
32:54you're gonna get caught
32:58and that weighs on you because you know
33:01you did something bad
33:05am i right i didn't do it
33:08you didn't take the cookie no
33:17what'd you do buddy
33:21i didn't do anything what'd you do to
33:24lauren
33:26i didn't do anything you saw lauren last
33:29night though
33:30yesterday no
33:33what time was it that she went out to do
33:35a laundry
33:36i don't know where were you at yesterday
33:40at home what'd you do at home
33:43tell me everything you did yesterday
33:47from the time you woke up to the time
33:48you went to sleep
33:54i checked the news at what time
33:57i don't remember was it yesterday
34:00morning
34:01i don't remember what'd you do when you
34:03woke up
34:06i think i checked the news all right you
34:08check the news okay
34:18what'd you do after that
34:21i watched some videos online
34:26did you clean up no
34:29you didn't no
34:32you smell like you've been cleaning up
34:34like you've been using cleaner to clean
34:35up
34:36i know what that smells like my wife
34:38smells like that all the time when she
34:39cleans the house
34:41you've been using some kind of cleaning
34:43to clean up your apartment haven't you
34:45no steven you telling me you live it
34:48like i met
34:48how does your apartment get cleaned i
34:52cleaned it okay when was the last time
34:54you cleaned it stephen
34:57i don't remember was it this week
35:00no you mean you go a whole week without
35:02cleaning yes
35:04wow that's horrible steve
35:08was it possibly over the weekend last
35:10weekend
35:11no it wasn't if you can't remember
35:16then how is it that you can tell me that
35:18you didn't clean up your apartment last
35:20weekend
35:22a minute ago you couldn't remember
35:28i don't remember cleaning last weekend
35:31so you it isn't that you didn't it's
35:34that you just don't remember
35:42right
35:45help me out buddy right
35:50i don't understand you don't understand
36:00i don't know how else to say it stephen
36:02let me tell you what i think
36:06i think that she was a friend of yours
36:09look at her right here
36:11i think that she was a friend of yours
36:15and i think something happened stephen
36:23you used to watch her come in and out of
36:24her apartment didn't you
36:27no i mean then how were y'all friends if
36:30y'all were
36:31if me and your friends we live next door
36:33to each other
36:35every time i see you look i'm gonna see
36:36y'all that's my buddy going in
36:39because we're friends i'm gonna pay
36:41attention to when you come in and out
36:43didn't you just tell me that y'all were
36:44friends yes
36:47but you don't you didn't pay attention
36:48when she came in and out
36:50no stephen you're lying now you're lying
36:56you're just lying that's a lie
37:00you you ever see her come in out of her
37:02apartment
37:03yes you did when was the last time
37:08you don't remember like last week maybe
37:11i don't think so you don't think so
37:16stephen you understand that everything
37:17that you're saying doesn't make any
37:19sense at all
37:21none none
37:25you totally contradict everything
37:28that relates to human behavior we have
37:31skills to be able to observe things to
37:33hear
37:33things to see things there are natural
37:36things out there that draw our attention
37:37every day such as when you're driving
37:39down the road if somebody hits the horn
37:41you look around
37:43you know what i'm saying this is a
37:45natural reaction
37:46if you're sitting in your living room
37:48you hear the door stand next to you you
37:49automatically think
37:50my neighbor's home right
37:54you're you're telling me that those kind
37:56of things don't happen in your life
37:59you asked if i watched i didn't watch
38:03have you noticed that she's came in and
38:05out of her house in the last week or two
38:09i don't remember
38:18what do you remember steve
38:21the last time i saw her was two or three
38:24weeks ago
38:25the where she was going out running when
38:29i was coming in
38:30where were you coming in from bar
38:32preparation
38:33bar preparation what's the bar
38:36preparation
38:38oh you're preparing for the bar exam yes
38:40okay
38:44well how y'all doing we're just talking
38:47he doesn't seem to remember a whole lot
38:53everything's yes or no or i don't
38:56remember
38:58a lot of things aren't making anything i
38:59gotta be honest with you stephen
39:02me personally i don't feel like you're
39:04being honest
39:07okay well steven you said you're gonna
39:09help me out right
39:11with this investigation because we
39:13needed your help we're asking you for
39:14help
39:16right that's what we remember i told you
39:18that yes
39:20and you told me you're gonna help me
39:22right
39:23you're gonna help me find lauren right
39:25yes
39:26and i asked for your opinion your
39:28observation of what happened or
39:30to her yes right
39:33what did you tell me i thought someone
39:36snatched her
39:38right where do you think someone might
39:41have snatched her from
39:44if you're the detective you're the
39:45police detective
39:47it's your investigation where would you
39:51start your investigation
39:54i don't know come on now
39:58you watch tv right yes okay
40:02you made it through college right yes
40:04you made it just about through law
40:06school right
40:07yes so you should know
40:10where would you start your investigation
40:14where she was last seen okay
40:19so in this case where was she last seen
40:22at garen's house garen
40:26that's the guy that lives up on the
40:28street right
40:29friend of hers yes okay
40:34all right and that was on i think she
40:37left there on saturday morning
40:39yes am i right okay
40:42now where do you think she went from
40:46their house
40:49all right you're the detective now right
40:52it's your case what would you do
40:57check at her home okay we did that
41:02you know that's what we did today right
41:06so you saw us out there when we knocked
41:07on your door
41:09she's not there
41:15you know i need your help in finding her
41:20what do we need to do what do we need to
41:23do that we haven't done
41:25i don't know you don't know
41:30so if you had this case you wouldn't be
41:32able to solve is that what you're saying
41:34because you're not smart enough to solve
41:36it i don't know
41:38or you think you're smart enough to be a
41:39detective
41:41i don't know no
41:45you got to be killing me steven
41:48stephen so steven listen to me
41:54we're real people and we're here to talk
41:56to you we're trying
41:57we're i like to think that we're friends
42:00okay friends
42:02communicate back and forth the only
42:04thing you said is yes or no and i don't
42:06know
42:07okay it makes me feel like you're
42:10treating me like you don't like me
42:12and i feel like i've looked out for you
42:14today everything you said you wanted
42:17i've given you i've tried to give you
42:18food several times
42:20you know i feel like we talked you told
42:22me about how you like to look at porn on
42:24the internet
42:25um you expressed to me that you're a
42:27virgin correct
42:29yes i mean that's the kind of stuff you
42:30tell friends you know what i'm saying
42:33right yes we n we need to know where
42:36your other car is i know you have i
42:38already know you own another car okay
42:40i don't know yes you do do you use
42:42another car you have another car it's
42:44not your name
42:46no you don't you've been using somebody
42:49else's car
42:52everyone i interviewed today say you
42:54have another car
42:56these people aren't making this up
42:59you have another vehicle no i don't
43:04so your grandfather's a liar is that
43:07what you're saying
43:10you're calling your grandfather a liar i
43:12just talked to him
43:14and he said you own another car i don't
43:20so he's lied to me stephen we're telling
43:24way too many lies so you're telling me
43:26they're like you're willing to tell me
43:29that you're a virgin and that you you
43:31told me you jack off the port on the
43:32internet
43:33but you don't want to admit to having
43:34another car that makes me think you got
43:36something to hide
43:37stephen that concerns me you tell me
43:40things that most people wouldn't tell
43:42somebody else
43:43but yet you lie about something why are
43:44you trying to hide that you have another
43:46car what's the big deal
43:47i don't have it i got three cars two
43:50you do no i don't it's not true what
43:53happened to it
43:54i've never had another car that's the
43:56only car you've ever had in making
43:58yes okay let me go talk to him again
44:00cause that's not what he's saying
44:10stephen
44:14what happened to lauren i know yeah
44:17you like her don't you she's my friend
44:20did you ever think about having
44:22sex with her no you never tried to talk
44:25to her
44:26on a dating level let me go talk
44:29they got his grandfather let me go talk
44:31make sure
44:32that he owns another car
44:35because he's telling us he doesn't
44:43you're right so you're telling me you
44:46see that pretty girl right there
44:48yes you're telling me you looked at a
44:50pretty girl like that you never once
44:52thought
44:52ever man
44:56she looks good you never thought that
45:04i don't understand
45:09what do you mean you don't understand
45:11did you know when you're sitting there
45:12you see a girl walking down the road
45:15and he said man that girl looks good
45:17you'll see a good looking girl while you
45:18think yourself
45:19man that girl looks good yes you never
45:22thought that about her
45:23yes so you mean to tell me you look at
45:27porn on the internet
45:31and get off to that but you never looked
45:33at her and said man i wonder what it'd
45:34be like to have sex with her
45:36yes you have no
45:42have you ever thought about what it
45:44would be like to have sex with lawrence
45:45no
45:46you've never imagined having sex alone
45:49no
45:50have you ever had sex with lawn no
45:55what do you know about that body we
45:57found today i don't know
45:59you don't know
46:12what if i told you
46:16that i believe that you do know i
46:19don't what if i told you that i could
46:21prove it
46:24i don't know you don't know is there a
46:27chance
46:30but you do admit there's a chance that i
46:33possibly
46:33have evidence to show that you do have
46:36something to do with that body
46:37correct i don't know you don't know
46:43because if i hadn't done anything i'd
46:45say
46:46nope there's no way but you say you
46:49don't know why is that
46:51why do you say you don't know is there a
46:52chance that maybe something's there
46:55no why did you say you don't know
46:58because i don't know
46:59because you're worried about something
47:00maybe something happened
47:02that maybe something got mixed up with
47:04something and you're worried about that
47:06no then why do you say i don't know
47:09because i don't
47:10know how would you not know
47:18if i was asking you did you just rob a
47:20bank if you didn't you'd say
47:22no not i don't know right right
47:25so why do you say i don't know because i
47:28don't know
47:29you don't know if you had anything to do
47:30with that body i didn't
47:33you didn't no are you sure yes
47:38what if i said i could prove that you
47:40did
47:42i don't know
47:46could you explain it i don't know
47:51today you told an investigator
47:54that you were worried
47:57about us possibly finding blood in your
48:00apartment
48:01didn't you i don't remember you did
48:06now why would you be worried about that
48:10we all looked in lauren's apartment did
48:13you see blood
48:14no then what would make you think that
48:17that there was blood taken over there
48:19nothing would make you think that unless
48:21you saw it
48:23because see i didn't see no blood
48:27none of the other lord's friends saw
48:29blood but i know
48:31now that blood was there
48:34and now i believe you saw it
48:38you saw that blood you know that blood
48:41was there
48:42and that's why you're worried about it
48:46no
48:48did you know why do you have blood up in
48:49the inside of your nose
48:51i don't know
48:59you don't know but you saw that blood
49:04that's the only way that you would be
49:05worried about it
49:07because that's like saying i'm worried
49:10about
49:14red roses being under my pillow but yet
49:17i never put on that that doesn't make
49:19any sense
49:20you know um your brain doesn't even
49:23think to operate like that
49:25unless you knew something was there
49:29does that make sense that makes sense to
49:32you're a smart guy
49:33right
49:36i don't understand
49:41you knew that there was blood in that
49:42apartment no
49:45yes you did stephen
49:49yes you did
49:52there's blood in your apartment stephen
49:59that's right there's blood in your
50:02apartment
50:05stephen this is hard buddy i know this
50:07is hard
50:09and i can tell it's something you want
50:11to let it go there's blood in your
50:13apartment
50:14stephen you didn't get it all up
50:18it didn't all come off you scrubbed and
50:20you wiped
50:22but we can tell that don't you watch csi
50:29yeah we know it
50:35stephen why is there blood in your
50:39bathroom
50:40i don't know yes you do know why stephen
50:44has anybody else been in your bathroom
50:48the police were in there other than the
50:50police
50:52who else has been in there no one that i
50:55no one and you recently cleaned your
50:59bathroom didn't you
51:01no how long ago i don't know a couple
51:04days ago
51:05no over the weekend no
51:09no you don't know i don't remember
51:12cleaning it do you use drugs no you ever
51:15use acid
51:17no are you you're on medication
51:20no
51:30you're lying stephen i wanted to give
51:34you an opportunity to tell it
51:37i wanted to be here with you to go
51:40through that process
51:41because i know you're not a monster man
51:44i know you're not a bad guy
51:47you're just a hard-working student
51:49trying to pass a bar exam mansion
51:51you ain't got a lot of support from your
51:53family do you yes
51:55you do a lot of people can't say that
51:59and the fact that you do have support
52:00from your family
52:02should make things easier because your
52:04family wants to feel like they've raised
52:06somebody that tells the truth and is
52:07honest right
52:08yes did you hurt that girl steven no
52:14have you ever heard anyone stephen no
52:31you've never heard anyone no i've heard
52:34people stephen
52:38i've made mistakes in my life that's not
52:41even normal to say you've never heard
52:42anybody
52:44sometimes people get mad and they say
52:46things they don't mean to say it hurts
52:49you never kicked a dog or a cat
52:53you ever hurt your the kids they live up
52:55there with your parents
52:57hmm you love those kids don't you yes
53:01okay if something happened one of those
53:04kids you'd
53:05be upset right yes
53:08well something happened to this lady's
53:12child lauren
53:14okay you love your
53:18all the kids up there with your mama
53:19right yes
53:21and you do anything for them right yes i
53:24mean they called
53:25and said hey we need you help us out
53:28you'd help them out right
53:29yes we need you to help us out
53:34okay
53:37tell me about your family i have four
53:40adopted siblings
53:42that you love very much right yes
53:46okay what about your mama she's a
53:48homemaker
53:49okay what about your daddy
53:52he's a painter
53:56close family y'all close
53:59yes was the last time you talked to him
54:04when we got together what was that
54:0815 weeks did you go up there to see them
54:12or
54:12they come down here and see you we went
54:14to buckners
54:16i like both the chicken place where the
54:19table spins around
54:20yeah you just
54:31they bring all the kids with them yes
54:36they didn't come back to make it
54:41well they asked you how you was doing in
54:43school and everything
54:44yes
54:51you had told uh detective chapman that
54:54you've never shot any of those
54:56guns that were in your apartment yes
54:59have you no well you've never went to
55:02the shooting range here in macon
55:04did some shooting no
55:09any gun no
55:14you did you made the mistake and tell
55:16people at school that you used to go the
55:17shooting range and shoot
55:19no you've never said that no
55:24do you even know how to load yeah in
55:27this case is that that was nest cass
55:29right
55:30no what was it an ak sight well same
55:33thing
55:35just different you know how to load it
55:38yes
55:39what kind of rounds it takes 7 6 2
55:4239 okay what's the capacity of that clip
55:46that you had
55:4730 rounds was it loaded
55:51is it loaded the magazine is full
55:55okay you got a round in the chamber no
55:59why not safer that way
56:02safer it's just you in the apartment
56:04right
56:06yes why do you think it's safer that one
56:10no chance of it getting knocked over and
56:12going off
56:14i mean no one lives with you just you
56:19bullets can travel distance well how do
56:22you know that
56:24i've read up about it well
56:30on what the computer yes okay
56:34what about your pistols
56:37you never fired any of those pistols no
56:42were they loaded tonight the magazine is
56:45full
56:45on the 10 millimeter okay
56:49there's one round in the chamber in the
56:51nine millimeter
56:52and a full magazine was the nine
56:54millimeter the full-size one with the
56:55compact one
56:56compact
57:01and you've never even fired any of those
57:03weapons no
57:05where do you buy your ammo have you ever
57:07purchased any animal hair making
57:09yes from where a to z guns
57:14was that on bible avenue yes when's the
57:16last time used these
57:18z guns years ago do you have a
57:22a permit yeah you do
57:25here in bible county yes
57:28okay you applied when you was working
57:32down at the county or
57:34i applied last fall okay
57:38so you have your card yes is it with you
57:41yes can i see it
57:46they make they still make you take your
57:47fingerprint dollar yes
57:49let me see your card
57:53how much does it cost now you remember
57:57around 80
58:04so it expires in 2016. yes
58:09do you have any pictures of the kids no
58:13no they didn't give you no pictures when
58:15they were in school
58:17that picture your parents no you got no
58:20pictures
58:21no at all not even at your apartment
58:24you have somebody at your apartment some
58:27god what are the kids call you
58:31stephen okay so you're just a brother or
58:35uncle or
58:36brother brother stephen none of them
58:39ever come visit you here in macon
58:48now
58:59about this car when you first moved to
59:03macon did you have another automobile
59:05no never you know
59:08when you moved to making us you brought
59:10that geoprism with you
59:12yes you never left the car back there at
59:15your mother's
59:16no why'd you tell everybody at school
59:20that you had that other vehicle i didn't
59:24so everyone we talked to just made that
59:27story up
59:28about you talking about your other
59:30vehicle
59:32i don't have another vehicle
59:38when's the last time you've been to
59:39kroger in baconsville
59:42i don't remember okay cause i asked you
59:45that
59:45dude when's the last time you were at
59:46walmart
59:48i don't remember it's been a long time
59:52can you even give me that much no
59:57a week or so maybe
1:00:01do you even have a credit card yes which
1:00:04credit card do you use the most
1:00:07visa is just as a bank name or just a
1:00:10visa
1:00:11first financial bank is that hair making
1:00:14no first financial you got a bank
1:00:18account with them
1:00:19no well whose account they just sent you
1:00:21a visa
1:00:24you don't have no bank account where you
1:00:29you putting all your money in your house
1:00:31with all the food you got in there
1:00:32i have an account with wachovia you're
1:00:34in bacon yes
1:00:38do you buy your uh stuff at walmart with
1:00:40this visa car
1:00:42no oh how do you usually pay for stuff
1:00:44at walmart
1:00:45with cash do you have a job
1:00:49no well how do you get cash
1:00:53student loans so you're just living off
1:00:55your student loans
1:00:56yes
1:01:07so you hadn't worked like a job in a
1:01:09while
1:01:15are you planning on getting a job yes
1:01:20well because your loans are going to run
1:01:22out sooner or later right
1:01:23yes
1:01:31how long you got left to finish your
1:01:33school up are you finished completely
1:01:36yes what are you planning on moving out
1:01:39of that apartment
1:01:41around i mean what's your lease on july
1:01:4315
1:01:44where you plan on uh going when you move
1:01:48out
1:01:48back to my parents and
1:01:59do you even know your mother's phone
1:02:00number i know the home phone number
1:02:03what's up what's the eric over there 770
1:02:07381 5031.
1:02:12what's your mother's name glenda
1:02:18has she ever had a drug problem you know
1:02:22she's been home your whole entire life
1:02:24raising you
1:02:25mostly where was she when she wasn't
1:02:28mostly raising you
1:02:29preschool oh she's a school teacher as
1:02:32well
1:02:32yes
1:02:46do you know how i've already told you
1:02:49that there was a body discovered right
1:02:51in the trash containers over there near
1:02:54your apartment
1:02:58do you know how that body got in that
1:03:00trash can
1:03:01no
1:03:04do you have any black trash bags in your
1:03:06apartment
1:03:07like uh that you use for trash
1:03:11no do you can you help me
1:03:14do you know where any black trash bags
1:03:16are in that apartment complex
1:03:18have you ever seen any around has
1:03:21someone been over there cleaning up or
1:03:25have you ever seen anybody painting an
1:03:27apartment
1:03:29have you seen any painters because
1:03:30you're homeless of the day right
1:03:32yes have you seen any of that
1:03:35no do you know where the garbage ban
1:03:37usually comes over there
1:03:39no do you know anything
1:03:44yes do you know i asked you for help
1:03:48what do you know
1:03:50you haven't provided me with nothing
1:03:53i mean when's the last time you were in
1:03:56that laundry room
1:03:58at the apartments last night what were
1:04:01you doing last night
1:04:02luke and i were looking for lauren did
1:04:05y'all
1:04:06see anything unusual or out of place no
1:04:10okay there was one washer that had
1:04:13clothes in it
1:04:14who's called more lady you know luke
1:04:16said they look like a guy's clothes
1:04:19but you didn't look in the machine i
1:04:22didn't look
1:04:23into tails
1:04:32what kind of knife did you have on you
1:04:34tonight
1:04:36a little throwing knife where'd you have
1:04:38it in your front pocket
1:04:40yes
1:04:45do you own any saws or
1:04:48anything like that no
1:04:52there's not anything in your car is
1:04:54there no
1:04:55in the trunk or anything no when's the
1:04:59last time you
1:04:59actually drove your car
1:05:02like once somewhere in your car
1:05:06within the past few days all right
1:05:09today's
1:05:11was now friday but
1:05:14yesterday was thursday that's when you
1:05:16met me yes
1:05:17have you drove driven your car this week
1:05:19at all
1:05:20yes what day i don't remember
1:05:24you don't remember
1:05:27what do you remember about your car i
1:05:29drove to kroger
1:05:32in baconsville across the river when
1:05:36what do you think that might have been
1:05:39i don't remember you don't remember
1:05:51why would you go to kroger to get
1:05:54something
1:05:55what dinner you got a lot of food in
1:05:59your house right
1:06:00yes what day do you think that might
1:06:04have been
1:06:07was it over the weekend no
1:06:10was it monday i don't think so
1:06:15was it tuesday i don't think so
1:06:18what day would you think it was if you
1:06:20had to pick a day
1:06:21what day was you hungry on
1:06:31wednesday maybe wednesday
1:06:36you don't remember what you bought
1:06:40dinner frozen dinner yeah like the
1:06:43frozen
1:06:43section microwave dinner no
1:06:50oh frozen tiny cooking oven yes
1:06:54okay did you go over there by yourself
1:06:58yes
1:07:00did you go anywhere else that night yeah
1:07:02that day
1:07:04just over the program when you came home
1:07:06yes
1:07:08did you go anywhere this week like i
1:07:11don't know
1:07:12shopping at the mall or looking at guns
1:07:15at a
1:07:15z or did you go anywhere else
1:07:19no was the last time you cleaned your
1:07:22car
1:07:24i haven't since i got it back where'd
1:07:27you get it back from
1:07:28my parents would they have before
1:07:32their van was in iraq
1:07:36so what'd they do come get your car yes
1:07:40so they came to make and got your car
1:07:42and then left the wreck was down here
1:07:46oh and make them yes so they were
1:07:49staying with you when they were in the
1:07:50wreck
1:07:51no
1:07:54well what were they doing to make them
1:07:56the van was going to be worked on
1:07:58here making them yes well where's the
1:08:01van that now do they got it back
1:08:03it was totaled
1:08:06so they were in macon and they get they
1:08:08were in a wreck and making
1:08:10my mom was and she was down here
1:08:14making because the air conditioner was
1:08:18malfunctioning
1:08:19why was she a making though because
1:08:22there's a place in macon
1:08:24that's the best at air conditioning
1:08:27repair
1:08:27and you told her about to come down the
1:08:30making to get a recognition fixed
1:08:32no well how do you know that
1:08:35she told me she just drove to making to
1:08:39get her air conditioner fixed
1:08:40yes she was in a wreck yes total out her
1:08:44car
1:08:44her van yes so she came to your house
1:08:48to get your car i drove her back
1:08:52i was following
1:08:56you drove her back to where to my
1:08:59apartment
1:09:00where was the van it was towed
1:09:04okay because it's told she should stay
1:09:06at your apartment
1:09:07spend the night with you no she stayed
1:09:10just a few minutes and leave or what she
1:09:13stayed about an hour
1:09:16when's the last time you talked to your
1:09:17mother glenda
1:09:19i don't remember it's about a while
1:09:22it's been a few days do you call her
1:09:26every day
1:09:27no you don't check on the kids no
1:09:36show me that scratch again that you
1:09:37showed me earlier that was it uh
1:09:42what what did you say happened there i
1:09:45think i scratched myself
1:09:46in my sleep
1:09:53are you gonna be able to help me with
1:09:54this case or not because i need to tell
1:09:57the parent something huh
1:09:58i don't know
1:10:02you don't know what you don't know what
1:10:04happened here
1:10:06why don't you know if you can help
1:10:09because i don't know
1:10:10i know what you need i need to know
1:10:14if you know where lauren's at
1:10:18or do you know who took alarm i tell him
1:10:20you told me that if you were working the
1:10:22case you would think somebody would take
1:10:24her when she was running
1:10:26why would you say that when we looked in
1:10:28her apartment there was no sign it was
1:10:30broken into
1:10:36okay so you're figuring something i
1:10:38might have took her while she was out
1:10:39running
1:10:40yeah supposed to say did you see her go
1:10:43running this weekend at all
1:10:45yeah that would help if you did
1:10:50what time did she normally run at night
1:10:52or daytime
1:10:54can you at least tell me that i don't
1:10:57know
1:10:58did you like to run into early morning
1:11:00or the late night
1:11:02the last time i saw her was midday like
1:11:05noonish yes okay
1:11:09she was going running when i was coming
1:11:11back from bar prep
1:11:14has it been a while two or three weeks
1:11:20okay did she speak to you no
1:11:25you just just saw her out run i was in
1:11:28my car
1:11:31well did you see her when you're like
1:11:33pulling in the parking lot or you just
1:11:34saw her run down the road
1:11:38was she outside her apartment getting
1:11:40ready to go run or was she already
1:11:41running at the time you saw her
1:11:43already running okay she was by running
1:11:46by herself
1:11:47yes she didn't have a dog with her
1:11:48didn't she no
1:11:54did you get along with everybody when
1:11:56you work down with the district
1:11:57attorney's office
1:11:58yes no problems no
1:12:02do you like doing what you used to do
1:12:05down there or what
1:12:06yes
1:12:12who did you work for i mean who was your
1:12:16did you help out everybody or were you
1:12:17assigned to just
1:12:20a certain person mainly jonathan adams
1:12:25okay how long do you work down there
1:12:29spring semester june and you enjoy doing
1:12:32that kind of work
1:12:33yes so you should be able to help me
1:12:35right
1:12:36yes because you're on our side right yes
1:12:40all right what do you think i need to do
1:12:44i don't know there we go again with i
1:12:46don't know
1:12:48come on now you can give me some advice
1:12:51right you can't give me some advice
1:12:58on what i should do next huh
1:13:07you can't tell me what you think i
1:13:08should do next
1:13:11i don't know well we found a body
1:13:15outside the apartment right we know that
1:13:17right yes
1:13:20you're saying you didn't hear or see
1:13:22anything
1:13:23like the whole time you've been there
1:13:25over the weekend right right
1:13:27we've talked to you right right we've
1:13:30talked to most
1:13:31of all her friends is there anybody else
1:13:33we need to talk to
1:13:35that you might know that we didn't
1:13:38i don't know let's talk about the
1:13:41apartment complex anybody in that
1:13:43complex of where
1:13:44anybody else we need to talk to i don't
1:13:47know who you have talked to
1:14:02who lives below you an older woman and
1:14:05her son
1:14:06were they home tonight or today
1:14:09i don't know you did sam no do you ever
1:14:14see him
1:14:15yes
1:14:20but you don't know if they were home
1:14:21today
1:14:24she doesn't have a car so it's really
1:14:27hard to tell if they're home yes you
1:14:30ever talk to her
1:14:32yes does she work anywhere
1:14:36i don't know do you ever get tired of
1:14:40saying i don't know
1:14:51what else you got in your wallet there
1:14:53bro
1:14:54my bear card what's that used for
1:14:58to get into the building
1:15:03what else you got my bank card
1:15:10my kroger card is that the card you use
1:15:12at chrome
1:15:13yes
1:15:21i'm gonna write down this number
1:15:26since you don't know the last time you
1:15:27were there
1:15:29i'm assuming you used your card when you
1:15:31were there
1:15:32yes right i always use my card
1:15:38so i'm gonna write down a number
1:15:45you can remember that you always use
1:15:46your card but you can't remember last
1:15:48time you were there
1:15:49i always use my card well what if you
1:15:52didn't use them
1:15:54what else you got in there
1:15:58my borders card
1:16:10ink card
1:16:16my id
1:16:24what's that voter registration
1:16:32what's that marcia what's that mercer
1:16:34lock have card
1:16:36what's that use a free camera at home oh
1:16:38that's just the phone numbers
1:16:39numbers for cab companies here in micah
1:16:44what's that car right there
1:16:49gamestop
1:16:54no phone numbers or anything yeah
1:17:06okay put your money back up and there's
1:17:08a hundred dollar bill up under there
1:17:11what do you roll with all that money you
1:17:13buy it for
1:17:14my granddaddy gave it to me
1:17:26do you take any medication no
1:17:30have you ever taken any medication no
1:17:34do you have any kind of mental problem
1:17:42no
1:17:45you know it's crazy i was talking to
1:17:47people that he works with and everything
1:17:48they talk about how
1:17:50he's always expresses himself he's very
1:17:53talkative steve they say you're so
1:17:55talkative buddy that you always so
1:17:57friendly you stop in and say hello and
1:18:00you talk
1:18:01what why is it that you're acting so
1:18:02short with us tonight if you if you have
1:18:05all this captive personality about you
1:18:07why is it that everything that we get
1:18:08from you is yes no i don't know
1:18:12i don't know well you sure were talking
1:18:16to the media tonight
1:18:18weren't you
1:18:22they asked what happened yeah that's
1:18:23what we're asking you what happened
1:18:25what'd you tell
1:18:26them i told them you just knew that you
1:18:29didn't know
1:18:35do you drink it all do you drink beer no
1:18:47stephen
1:18:51you know
1:18:56we have to go to our best resources when
1:18:58we're trying to do anything
1:19:00you know it's kind of like the guy who
1:19:02wants to get his oil changed he goes to
1:19:03jitki luke
1:19:04you know what i'm saying we're looking
1:19:06for lauren and you said you were her
1:19:08friend
1:19:10on to her friend yes y'all good friends
1:19:13yes how did your friends are y'all good
1:19:16friends like how good of
1:19:21i friends understand you don't
1:19:23understand
1:19:25you don't understand how good our
1:19:26friends all are
1:19:28you don't understand what you're asking
1:19:30how good of friends are
1:19:35are y'all close friends are y'all just
1:19:38acquaintances
1:19:40um y'all study i mean how good of
1:19:43friends
1:19:43y'all we're friends are y'all really
1:19:46good friends
1:19:49i don't know you don't know how do you
1:19:52not know if you're not a really good
1:19:53friend
1:19:54let me ask you this maybe you're saying
1:19:57that because
1:19:57you don't know how she feels about you
1:20:01how do you feel about her do you
1:20:03consider her a really good friend
1:20:07she's a friend but not a really good
1:20:10friend
1:20:12i don't know you don't know how do you
1:20:13not know
1:20:15i don't know what you mean by really
1:20:17good
1:20:19oh y'all really close no
1:20:23no you're not no so y'all you never told
1:20:26her any of your personal business
1:20:28no she ever tell you any of hers no
1:20:33you ever see her upset no
1:20:36she was always a happy person wasn't she
1:20:44yes
1:20:47why are you acting like this stephen
1:20:52you see how i'm able to talk in complete
1:20:55sentences
1:20:57like we're having a conversation but the
1:20:59only thing you're bringing to the table
1:21:01is a yes no or i don't know
1:21:07why is that stephen
1:21:12i don't understand don't understand
1:21:15what don't you understand
1:21:19i want to be able to help you commit to
1:21:21be able to communicate with me better
1:21:22than that steven
1:21:24i feel like we can help each other
1:21:33stephen did you hurt that girl no
1:21:40do you know where she's at no
1:21:45would you tell me if you did yes
1:21:58have you lied to me at all in this
1:21:59interview no
1:22:02yes you have stephen
1:22:06you said you have when you say you don't
1:22:10know
1:22:11when the last time you cleaned your
1:22:12bathroom is
1:22:16that's a lie
1:22:19when you say you don't know the last
1:22:21time you saw her coming
1:22:23out of her apartment you don't notice
1:22:24whether or not she comes in and out
1:22:27that's another lie your door is only a
1:22:30few feet from hers
1:22:37you told some lies in this interview
1:22:38stephen
1:22:43without a doubt when was the last time
1:22:46you did laundry
1:22:48a few weeks ago you ain't washed clothes
1:22:51in a few weeks
1:22:53yeah why i have a lot of clothes no you
1:22:57don't that's another lie
1:23:05that's right that's three lives steven
1:23:07you don't have a lot of clothes
1:23:10yes i do no
1:23:16you got enough underwear to last you
1:23:17three weeks
1:23:19yes do you wear the same pair underwear
1:23:23more than one day
1:23:24yes why
1:23:28because it's still clean enough to wear
1:23:38stephen i appreciate you coming down
1:23:39here today and talking to us okay
1:23:43i appreciate you cooperating with us and
1:23:46and helping us along but you've lied to
1:23:50me
1:23:51about at least three things in this
1:23:52interview
1:23:54and people don't lie unless they got
1:23:56something to hide
1:23:58why would you lie to me stephen i didn't
1:24:01lie
1:24:02sure you did you said you don't even
1:24:05notice when she comes in and out of her
1:24:06apartment
1:24:08that's a lie stephen i said i didn't
1:24:11remember the last time
1:24:13have you ever watched her go in her
1:24:15apartment no
1:24:17you've never how long y'all been
1:24:18neighbors three years
1:24:20three years you've never watched her
1:24:22walk through her front door
1:24:24yes
1:24:27five seconds have you ever watched her
1:24:29walk into apartment you said no
1:24:36so i'm going to ask you again have you
1:24:37ever watched her walk into her apartment
1:24:39yes when was the last time
1:24:44a long time ago how long before
1:24:48graduation
1:24:49it's been that long and you graduated
1:24:52when
1:24:53in may
1:24:58beginning of may in the main in the
1:25:01middle
1:25:03and you hadn't seen her walk in her
1:25:04apartment since no
1:25:06did you ever help her carry up groceries
1:25:08and stuff like that no
1:25:10never no you have a helper care
1:25:14laundry no
1:25:19she's never needed your help with
1:25:20anything
1:25:22she asked for help with the computer you
1:25:25ever offer help with her for anything
1:25:27cute and stuff or anything like that
1:25:29yes like what stephen when she was
1:25:33moving out during the first summer
1:25:37what did you do she needed help moving
1:25:40stuff to her car
1:25:42and you helped her yes so you went in
1:25:44out of her apartment moving stuff
1:25:46yes
1:25:50how long did you help her a few minutes
1:25:54that's it yes do you realize how you're
1:25:57talking right now does that not feel
1:25:58weird to you
1:26:00no would you say that this is how you
1:26:04talk
1:26:04all the time i don't understand
1:26:11you're just not expressing yourself at
1:26:14all
1:26:15everything's with you is yes no
1:26:18i don't remember i don't understand
1:26:25you can't help me out with anything you
1:26:27there's nothing you can tell me to help
1:26:28me about this
1:26:30beautiful girl right here stephen that
1:26:31was your friend
1:26:35nothing you gonna let things go down
1:26:37like this
1:26:42i don't know what you want i want the
1:26:45truth stephen
1:26:47i don't know where she is let me ask you
1:26:50this
1:26:50you actually believe you don't know
1:26:52where she is right now
1:26:56where was she yesterday i don't know
1:27:02liar
1:27:10that's right you're lying
1:27:21why are you lying stephen yes you are
1:27:24lying
1:27:26how long you continue to do it she's got
1:27:28a mother and a father and a family out
1:27:30there
1:27:31that is sick over everything
1:27:34where is that little girl steven i don't
1:27:37know
1:27:37steven you know
1:27:42where i don't know steve
1:27:47you're gonna look at this right here
1:27:48this little girl right here
1:27:51and you're gonna say you don't know i
1:27:53know you know
1:27:56i don't know yes you know what are you
1:27:57gonna say tomorrow when i say we got
1:27:59your hair
1:28:00with the body what are you gonna say to
1:28:04me then
1:28:06because you know like i go like that
1:28:10look at my hair that's how easy it falls
1:28:13out
1:28:14look at all that on your head you don't
1:28:17think none fell out it did
1:28:23it did stephen
1:28:27we just want to give you an opportunity
1:28:29to tell it
1:28:30so you didn't look like a monster at the
1:28:32end because you know what i don't
1:28:34believe that you're a monster stephen
1:28:36i believe that you're a good guy you've
1:28:38been picked on
1:28:40girls didn't show you the respect that
1:28:41you deserved you did something
1:28:43stupid and i believe you feel bad about
1:28:46it
1:28:46and that's why you're all freaked out
1:28:48right now
1:28:50but i'm giving you the opportunity to
1:28:52get right
1:28:53i've given you an opportunity to show
1:28:55everybody you're not a monster
1:28:57that you feel bad about what happened
1:28:59your hair is there man
1:29:02your hair is there we got your hair with
1:29:06the body
1:29:08how's that stephen i don't know yes you
1:29:11do know
1:29:15yes you do know stephen
1:29:22that's right buddy see that
1:29:27look at it
1:29:31see how easy
1:29:36it happens and it happened to you
1:29:42why stephen
1:29:46i don't understand oh you understand
1:29:50you understand exactly what i'm saying
1:29:53see this stuff right here your hair
1:29:55yeah it fell out of your head when you
1:29:57was moving the body stephen
1:30:04that's right do you remember moving the
1:30:07body
1:30:10yeah yes you do stephen
1:30:17why man what happened
1:30:23why
1:30:28tell me bud i didn't do it yes you did
1:30:31stephen
1:30:32your hands with the body quit lying
1:30:37we want you to tell it so that way
1:30:39people understand you're not a monster
1:30:41things just
1:30:42you got out of control it's a sickness
1:30:49why'd you do it stephen stephen
1:30:53why are you going to keep telling that
1:30:57you hurt that girl yes you did steven
1:31:04you heard her man
1:31:08she was screaming
1:31:11screaming stephen
1:31:14why and i know you feel bad about it
1:31:19i can see it in your face
1:31:23what came over you man
1:31:28what happened stephen i don't know
1:31:32i know you don't know you can't you
1:31:34couldn't control it could you
1:31:37i didn't do it steven
1:31:41how long were we gonna continue to do
1:31:42this you did
1:31:46why is what i want to know i didn't do
1:31:49it
1:31:53steven you hurt that girl man and you
1:31:57got on the news today
1:32:00that's right you know what you've been
1:32:02talking like this on the news buddy
1:32:10yeah you hurt this girl
1:32:13no i didn't yes you did
1:32:17you hurt that girl
1:32:34why'd you hurt her stephen i did you
1:32:36hurt that girl
1:32:38did you try to make her have sex with
1:32:39you i didn't color
1:32:42who did it they got your hair
1:32:45they steal your hair and take it over
1:32:47there
1:32:51stephen they steal your hair
1:32:58they didn't did they
1:33:02did they stephen
1:33:06that's right it's all sinking in right
1:33:09now
1:33:11he knows is what you're thinking
1:33:15stephen i don't want it to be a game
1:33:16between me and you
1:33:21i know it hurts and i know you're not an
1:33:23awful person and you want to tell it
1:33:25your hair was there stephen we've all
1:33:28known it all along
1:33:32we wanted just to give you an
1:33:33opportunity to tell what happened
1:33:38don't have sex no
1:33:42do you try to have sex no
1:33:46you think about having sex no
1:33:49liar what kind of man doesn't think
1:33:52about having sex
1:33:59you said earlier you like girls right
1:34:01yes you said she's a pretty girl right
1:34:04yes what'd you do to her stephen
1:34:07i didn't do anything you're lying you
1:34:09hurt that girl
1:34:11no i didn't sure it didn't that's why
1:34:12you're having this massive meltdown
1:34:14right now
1:34:16because you can't live with yourself can
1:34:17you
1:34:19it's overwhelming you in it tell the
1:34:22truth stephen
1:34:24i didn't do it who did it i don't know
1:34:27yes you do stephen
1:34:45why
1:34:48why did you hurt that girl i didn't
1:34:53why'd you hurt steve i didn't
1:35:10you heard that girl sure you did
1:35:15you know it now i know it
1:35:18you just don't want to tell it steven
1:35:20that's okay
1:35:21i know it i just want to give you an
1:35:24opportunity to tell it
1:35:26to people didn't think you were a
1:35:27monster
1:35:33you're not a monster are you stephen no
1:35:38i know buddy know you're not a monster
1:35:45tell me what happened i don't know
1:35:49you tried to have sex with her no she
1:35:51didn't want to have sex with you
1:35:53i didn't do it she didn't want to have
1:35:55sex with steve
1:35:57i don't know you don't know if she
1:35:59wanted to have sex with you
1:36:01i didn't do anything yes you did steven
1:36:11you went into her apartment stephen
1:36:15and you hurt that girl no i didn't
1:36:21you did buddy
1:36:27you heard her stephen no i didn't
1:36:30you did
1:36:36why won't you tell me stephen i didn't
1:36:39do it
1:36:50take this with me you don't deserve to
1:36:51look at it
1:36:53just stay right here okay okay
1:36:58i appreciate all your cooperation
1:37:00tonight okay
1:37:04okay
1:42:20all right we're getting ready though i
1:42:22just need to discuss a few more things
1:42:24with you
1:42:26you know the reason why we're down here
1:42:28is because lauren's missing
1:42:29right i just need you
1:42:33to please tell me
1:42:37give me enough where you i know earlier
1:42:41today you told me you stayed home all
1:42:43weekend right
1:42:43in your apartment yes
1:42:48and uh did anybody see
1:42:52you did you talk to anybody over the
1:42:55weekend
1:42:56were you on your computer all weekend is
1:42:59there any
1:43:00thing i can look at that i can say
1:43:05he couldn't be involved because he was
1:43:08on the computer
1:43:10or he was online on a porn site or
1:43:14he was online doing college work or
1:43:17anything
1:43:19that would exclude you as being involved
1:43:21altogether i mean did anybody see
1:43:24this weekend at the house did you go out
1:43:28to get a newspaper did you wave to a
1:43:32neighbor
1:43:32or just locked yourself in all week yes
1:43:36nobody saw you no i mean
1:43:40what do you just stay in the house all
1:43:41day yes i mean what do you do
1:43:43all day in the house play video games
1:43:47by yourself yes
1:43:50you never talk to anybody on the phone
1:43:52or anything
1:43:53if they call me well who called you
1:43:57harry i mean you've always done that
1:44:01your whole life
1:44:01you don't have no friends how can you go
1:44:04your whole life without a friend
1:44:07i have friends we're there
1:44:14where that
1:44:18you have any friends here making yes
1:44:21name
1:44:21one because everybody i talked to said
1:44:23they ain't your friend ryan granger
1:44:26cass lawson ashley morehouse
1:44:31the same people i talked to today and
1:44:34they're not your friend
1:44:37okay they're not your friend
1:44:47i mean it's all over anyways
1:44:53i just want to know what was going on
1:44:55tonight
1:44:59the game's over i mean
1:45:03we know what you did there so we just
1:45:05want to know what you
1:45:06if you're gonna tell us or not i didn't
1:45:09do anything no
1:45:11that's what you say but we know
1:45:14different
1:45:15so you're [ __ ] either way
1:45:20you're [ __ ]
1:45:23we already know
1:45:28and everybody out there all your friends
1:45:30know that you're down here
1:45:32because of what happened alarm so all
1:45:35those friends that you thought you had
1:45:37are not your friends anymore
1:45:43okay there'll be no more video games
1:45:47all right
1:45:52at all this is the
1:45:57is end anything you want to say i didn't
1:46:00do anything
1:46:01well that's what you say
1:46:06that's what you say stick to your story
1:46:10because it's over we're tired talking to
1:46:13you
1:46:15okay we know you killed her
1:46:18we know you put her body in the trash
1:46:20can
1:46:22simple as that
1:46:26the news media knows it glenda knows
1:46:30that your mother
1:46:32your sister knows it your sister's
1:46:35husband knows it
1:46:36the one that used to beat your sister he
1:46:39knows it
1:46:40you know what he said he said he's a
1:46:44crazy [ __ ] is what he said
1:46:47when i called him that's your own family
1:46:51calling you crazy
1:46:55your own family said you crazy
1:47:07nobody wants to see you
1:47:10nobody's coming to visit you
1:47:16so you can sit there with that dumb look
1:47:17on your face
1:47:19but it's over
1:47:23you enjoyed yourself and it's all over
1:47:25now
1:47:28okay
1:47:31anything you want to say i don't know i
1:47:34didn't do anything well
1:47:36that's what you say but i'm telling you
1:47:39you did
1:47:41okay simple as that you're not in charge
1:47:43i am
1:47:46i just took it away from me
1:47:50one thing you can't change brother
1:47:53you can't change that you are no longer
1:47:57in charge of anything
1:48:05okay you understand that
1:48:15yeah talk to glenda
1:48:18she's crying
1:48:27she's supposed to be coming down here
1:48:33i told my whole story
1:48:37and they told me what you used to tell
1:48:39them about your next-door neighbor too
1:48:47yeah what what you can't say nothing now
1:48:52you're speechless
1:48:58yeah she should be in a little bit
1:49:02i promised her i'd let her see you and
1:49:04the kids i don't know if she's bringing
1:49:06them all or not before you go on down
1:49:09all right okay
1:49:12i didn't do anything it doesn't matter
1:49:14what you think you did
1:49:18doesn't matter it's what i can prove
1:49:21okay
1:49:25okay mr smarty pants
1:49:31promised her i let her see you so i'm
1:49:34waiting on them to get out here
1:49:36all right
1:49:43okay i'm taking glenda's statement about
1:49:47what you used to tell her about your
1:49:48neighbor
1:49:52about what you tell her about your guns
1:49:54and your knives and
1:49:56your sister's husband's coming
1:49:59because he said you crazy
1:50:05your sister is married still right yes
1:50:10he used to beat her back in the day
1:50:17are you sitting here think about it for
1:50:19a little bit okay
1:50:22okay got plenty of time to think now
1:50:25don't you
1:50:27huh
1:50:31yeah got plenty of time to think
1:50:34you thought you were smarter than
1:50:36everybody else but you're not
1:50:41you're not
1:50:44the sad thing about it is you probably
1:50:46could have made something with your life
1:50:48but you chose a different route because
1:50:51one
1:50:52you don't have a girlfriend and two
1:50:54you're never gonna get a girlfriend
1:51:08i'm listening
1:51:12i'm all ears i don't know what you want
1:51:16me to say
1:51:18don't you say nothing you're [ __ ]
1:51:21either way
1:51:25do you understand that i didn't do
1:51:28anything
1:51:30that's what you that's your sales story
1:51:39that's yourself store
1:51:48works both ways brother
1:51:52there's both ways
1:51:56ain't gonna be no more yelling ain't
1:51:58nobody gonna yell at you
1:52:01they're gonna come in here and cry kiss
1:52:04you goodbye
1:52:06i'm gonna take their statement and it's
1:52:08all over
1:52:13you do understand that right i didn't do
1:52:16anything
1:52:17that's what you say
1:52:21that's what you say because you haven't
1:52:24told us anytime
1:52:32do you realize what i'm telling you
1:52:38well
1:52:41okay well you sit there and think about
1:52:43it a little bit okay
1:52:45i'll come back and check on
1:53:01i thought you were smarter than
1:53:02everybody
1:53:05but you [ __ ] up
1:53:09you [ __ ] somebody always leaves
1:53:12something a crime scene
1:53:15you [ __ ] up
1:53:24you [ __ ] it up
1:53:29first i didn't really believe you had
1:53:30anything to do with it
1:53:38i said man it couldn't have been him he
1:53:39used to work down da's office with us
1:53:41he's a good guy
1:53:44he used to help us out friendly guy and
1:53:46everything
1:53:48could be him he could have done
1:53:50something like that
1:54:07well we're through talking to you
1:54:11just waiting for them to come visit you
1:54:17are you through with your little show
1:54:18you've been putting on all day
1:54:21huh are you three
1:54:31you're not gonna win
1:54:34too much evidence
1:54:38too much evidence
1:54:48i appreciate you talking to me though
1:54:50just hang tight look glad to be down
1:54:51here in a minute
1:54:53all of these will take her to drive down
1:54:55interstate
1:54:56i don't know okay
1:55:02okay
1:55:23you

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