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0:00You're watching RE:TV Clips.
0:19I'm not sure.
0:21Step into my office in my quarters.
0:22Hey, great. Sure, nice to meet you. Nice
0:24to see you guys. How's it going? Good.
0:26Milling around.
0:27Uh Well
0:29I'm safe.
0:31What this is is a
0:33I didn't want to bring this up
0:35in your squadron. My squadron's up. Oh,
0:38no, it's fine. I think we're good. My
0:40quarters. Okay, I'm going to go get us a
0:42drink.
0:44Then we're waiting You're going to bring
0:46somebody in, right?
0:46Yeah, I'll I'll explain the whole thing
0:48to you.
0:50I didn't want to talk about this in the
0:51squadron cuz I I don't know who people
0:52are listening. And if we go to my side,
0:55everybody's always wondering what
0:56everybody else is doing. Okay.
0:58But uh after talking to my I'll be in
1:00business that we've been assigned a case
1:02that we've been looking at. Okay. It's a
1:03new case and reviewing the case, there's
1:06some notes at the scene as far as your
1:08name being mentioned. Oh, okay. Do you
1:10know John Rooten?
1:12John Rooten?
1:14John Rutten? Rutten. Rutten.
1:17I went to school with him. You did?
1:19Yeah. How long did you know him? Gosh, I
1:21went to school in um
1:23let's see. Went to UCLA 19 78 I started
1:27and
1:28um
1:29you know
1:30met him at school, at the dorms. Mhm.
1:33Um
1:35Were you guys friends, close friends?
1:36Yeah, we were very close friends.
1:38I mean, what's this all about? Well,
1:40it's regarding
1:41it's a case we're working on that
1:42involves John and in there some of the
1:44statements we we reviewed, uh you know,
1:47there's notes and stuff that he that he
1:48knew you and stuff.
1:49Oh, yeah, I mean, we were good friends.
1:51Um
1:52lived in the dorms for
1:54I lived in the dorms for 2 years. Um You
1:56guys lived in the same dorm?
1:58Yeah. Okay.
1:59Yeah, Dijkstra. Okay. Were you guys just
2:01friends or anything else or Yeah, we
2:03were we were
2:05good friends. Yeah. Was there ever any
2:07relationship or anything that developed
2:08between you guys? Yeah, I mean we dated.
2:11Uh Uh-huh. You know,
2:13um I mean, is it what what's this all
2:15about? Well, it's relating to uh
2:18his wife.
2:20Okay. Okay. Did you know her?
2:23Not really. I mean, I knew that he
2:25married years ago. Uh-huh. Did you ever
2:27meet her?
2:28God, I don't know. Um
2:31Do you know who she was or anything?
2:32Well, I
2:34Let me think. God, it's been a long time
2:36ago. Um
2:38Um
2:40I you I may have met her.
2:42Um
2:43Jeez.
2:44You know.
2:45Yeah.
2:47Uh well, let me see. Let me ask you. You
2:48said you you dated John. How long did
2:50you guys date?
2:53I mean, I Well, I Are you guys Is this
2:55something
2:56I mean, you said that I was going to
2:58interview somebody about art and how you
2:59guys are Here's Here's I mean Stephanie,
3:02here's the situation. It's basically
3:04we you know, we knew that this when we
3:07saw this in the in in this Chrono that
3:09maybe, you know, there was some
3:10relationship there. That's what the
3:11Chrono seemed to indicate and we didn't
3:12want to come up to you at your desk and
3:15ask those kinds of questions or do
3:17anything. You know how up there people
3:18can see what's going on if you go into
3:20an interview room or people are in there
3:21getting supplies. So, we we wanted to
3:23afford you some privacy some
3:25confidentiality talk about this cuz we
3:26thought it might be, you know,
3:28something, you know, you're married to
3:29someone else obviously and so forth and
3:31that you may not want to, you know, talk
3:32about these things in that setting where
3:34someone, you know, we don't want the
3:35rumor mill or gossip or any of that kind
3:36of stuff to start.
3:37I mean So, we we did this just as as a
3:39means to try and speak to you in just a
3:41confidential place where you, you know,
3:43where where your business isn't out
3:44there for other people and in, you know,
3:46your division to know about.
3:47you know, God, that's been a million
3:48years ago. I mean
3:50you know,
3:51um
3:53What year is it now? 2009? I mean, I
3:55graduated in '82. '82, yeah.
3:58Um
4:00you know, we dated. Um I dated other
4:03guys. I'm sure he dated other girls. Um
4:07Well, let me ask you a
4:09Roughly, how long would you would you
4:10say you guys dated? Oh, jeez.
4:13Um
4:14I couldn't even say. I mean
4:17I started school there in '78. I started
4:20UCLA 1978.
4:22Mhm.
4:22I graduated in '82.
4:24Um I don't even remember what year he
4:27graduated, if it was a year or two
4:29before me. Okay. Um I think he was a
4:31little bit older than I was. I mean, you
4:34know, I can't remember if he was born
4:35Let's say I was born in '60, 1960. I
4:38don't know if he was born in '58 or '59.
4:40I mean, I you know, um I mean, I knew
4:42his parents. I knew his sister. His
4:44brother went to Northridge. Mhm. Um
4:47um
4:49you know, his sister spent the night at
4:50my house before. Obviously, I spent the
4:52night at his house before. He probably
4:54spent the night at my house before.
4:56Um you know, I
4:58I you know, I don't I What
5:00Correct me if I'm wrong, cuz from what
5:02you're telling me is you you guys dated
5:04while you were in college together,
5:05right?
5:06Yeah, and probably after college. Um I'm
5:09I can't
5:11Jeez, um I'm trying to think when I met
5:12my husband. I met my husband
5:15in I met I met Scott. Um
5:18Let's see.
5:20I was teaching DARE, cuz I met Scott
5:21when I was teaching DARE up in Oregon.
5:23But
5:24we had long stopped, you know,
5:27dating before that.
5:28haven't talked to him for a long time?
5:30Oh, I I think I haven't talked to him in
5:32a long time. Um I couldn't even tell you
5:34when the last time I talked to him.
5:36Um
5:37I met Scott, I'm thinking, in
5:39'92, maybe. Um April of '92. It was
5:44Scott being your husband. Yeah, I'm
5:45trying to think. I was teaching DARE.
5:48Let's see. What year is this? This is
5:50We'll be married. Like I'm married in
5:521996. I think I met Scott in '92. Prior
5:56to that, I couldn't tell you how long I
5:57had talked, you know, talked to John
6:00prior to that. But since you since you
6:02met your husband, Scott, you haven't
6:04talked to him?
6:05I mean, he may have called me
6:08once or twice before we got married. Um
6:12you know,
6:13jeez, I I lived I moved
6:16in 1994 cuz I lost my house in the
6:19earthquake. Oh, really?
6:20Um
6:21uh quite honestly, I probably keep in
6:23contact with
6:25a few people from the dorms. We We all
6:27We all lived on the 10th floor. Um and
6:31um
6:33there's
6:37about three or four people I keep in
6:38contact with. There's probably like six
6:40or eight of us that were all really
6:41close.
6:42Mhm. And who are those people?
6:44Oh, jeez. Um
6:46Diana Basta.
6:48Um
6:49The people I still keep I I haven't been
6:51in contact with her in a long time. Um I
6:55mean,
6:56you know, what's the what's I mean,
6:58what's this all about? I mean, Well, let
6:59me ask you.
7:00What ended the relationship between you
7:02and John?
7:04You know, I don't
7:05it was kind of a weird relationship. I
7:07mean, we we we dated. Um I can't say
7:11that he was my boyfriend. I don't know
7:12that he would consider me his
7:14girlfriend.
7:15Um we just we dated. We did things. I
7:17played sports in college. He played
7:19basketball.
7:20His brother played basketball.
7:22Um
7:24We just, you know, it just
7:27didn't work out. I mean, I don't know
7:29what to tell you. It was like I went out
7:31with other guys. Um saw other guys. I
7:33went on lots of vacations.
7:36Um you know, And and once you guys
7:39split, were you guys still friends or
7:40kind of
7:42you know I mean
7:44friendly, not friendly? No, I don't
7:46think it was not friendly. I mean we
7:48were friendly.
7:49I know that
7:51we went to Hawaii
7:53at one point.
7:56Another friend of mine who's actually
7:58dying right now
8:00was went to Hawaii with us at some
8:02point.
8:04Do you remember roughly when that was?
8:06Geez, um
8:08let me think.
8:10Mhm.
8:11I have to check my pictures um or I'd
8:14I'd say I'd ask Greg, but my friend Greg
8:15is like dying of liver cancer right now.
8:18Um
8:19Yeah, I mean I you know
8:22And you were saying that
8:23the It's 2009 now.
8:25Had you ever met his wife?
8:27I may have. Do you know do you remember
8:30her name or anything or
8:32Um
8:35um
8:37or what she did for a living or where
8:39she worked or anything about her?
8:42Well, I think she I think I'm going to
8:43say that I think she was a nurse.
8:45Um
8:48and I can't remember how he he said he
8:50met her.
8:51I mean I I Yeah, I mean it's been so
8:53long ago. Well, let me ask you, did you
8:55go to their wedding, you know? No, I
8:57didn't go to their wedding.
8:59Um no, I don't did not go to their
9:01wedding.
9:02Um
9:04I couldn't even tell you what year he
9:04got married. I mean, you know, it's it's
9:06been a million years ago. Do you
9:08remember if you ever talked to her cuz
9:09it seems like a lot of you who were
9:11at at the school UCLA, you guys kind of
9:13were friends during and after school.
9:15So, I don't know if you guys still
9:16associated afterwards when once he was
9:18married or anything.
9:20With him? Yeah.
9:21No, I don't think so. I mean
9:25I would say
9:26you know,
9:27the the people that were on the dorm
9:29floor, we'd have we'd have
9:30get-togethers.
9:32Um there's probably like four or five I
9:35I think he ever came. Um
9:37yeah, I don't think no, it was there was
9:39like it was mostly girls.
9:41You know,
9:43um a girl named Smita, Diane,
9:46um
9:47There's there's two Dianes, but the one
9:49Diane I don't think she ever came. I
9:50kind of lost contact with her. We were
9:52good friends on the floor.
9:54Um
9:55yeah, I mean I don't you know, again I I
9:58mean what
9:59you know, I I don't understand why
10:01you're talking about some guy dated a
10:02million years ago.
10:03Well, do you know what happened to his
10:04wife? Yeah, I know she got killed.
10:08What did you what did you hear about
10:09that?
10:10I I saw a poster at work. Um I'm sure I
10:13spoke to him about it. Um
10:16I think I spoke to another friend of his
10:18about it.
10:20Um And how did how did you first learn
10:22about that?
10:24Jeez.
10:26Someone could have called me. I could
10:27have heard it at work.
10:29Um
10:31I think at one point there may have been
10:32a flyer or something. I know a good
10:34friend of his Were you on the job back
10:36then when that happened?
10:37Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'm sure I was
10:39on the job. That's why I would have
10:40heard about it with the flyer. Um
10:43He had a good friend Mike
10:45Mike
10:46Boldrick, Mike
10:48Um
10:50Um
10:52Anyways, a
10:54he may have lived in the dorms. I don't
10:55remember if that's how I met him.
10:57Um I I may have talked to him. I mean
11:00you know, I don't remember how I heard.
11:02I mean I don't even remember what year
11:03it was. And you think he he thought you
11:05said you thought his wife was a nurse.
11:06Do you have any idea where she was
11:07working at the time or
11:09did he ever mention that to you?
11:11Was it a hospital or a doctor's office
11:13or
11:13he must have mentioned it. Now now that
11:15you're bringing that up, I think she
11:17worked at a hospital somewhere. And
11:18yeah, I may have met her at a hospital.
11:21Um
11:21I may have talked to her once or twice.
11:24Um
11:25At a at a hospital?
11:26Or more. Um
11:28you know, But being that you were kind
11:30of
11:31you to see uh John.
11:33You know, was it everything okay between
11:35you guys? I mean there was never
11:37anything uncomfortable or anything
11:38between you and her?
11:39Um.
11:42You know, I don't know. I mean it's got
11:44it's been so many years. I mean
11:47the uncomfortable I mean it
11:51I can't even I can't even remember if we
11:53had a conversation. I mean we may have I
11:55may have I may have seen her at his
11:57apartment I you know
11:59Geez, how many years ago was that? I
12:01don't even know what year she you know
12:03got killed. Where was his apartment? On
12:05Roscoe. Okay. Yeah, Roscoe and um
12:09um
12:11east or west of Desoto
12:14either east or west of Desoto.
12:16Do you know where he moved after did he
12:18move after he got married or do you know
12:19or
12:24I'm sure he did. Do you know where he
12:26was living or
12:29Somewhere in the valley.
12:31Did you ever visit him and his wife? No.
12:34No? Never went out to you know get
12:36together dinners
12:38I know
12:39no. Like I said his sister used to come
12:42over. His sister had had come to my
12:44place. I knew his I knew his brother cuz
12:46his brother played basketball at
12:48Northridge.
12:49Um in fact I was just coming across some
12:51pictures that I just scanned
12:53uh scanned from um
12:56I take a lot of photos. Um like 10,000.
13:00And I just did a service where I scanned
13:02everything.
13:04Um and I'd seen some pictures of his
13:05brother playing basketball.
13:05Where did you just put them all on your
13:06computer so you could have them
13:07accessible and do things with them?
13:09Well, my partner is a big photo thing
13:11and he got a deal to scan. So I spent a
13:15ton of time just scanning photos. I mean
13:18I paid a company to do it. Mhm. Um so
13:20I've got photos of I mean his brother
13:22his sister you know 10,000 pictures? Oh
13:25yeah. How long did that take them?
13:28Months. Okay.
13:30Now, what what do they Do they put that
13:31on a I'm just curious myself. Did they
13:33put it on a Did they get get that all on
13:34one DVD? They don't need like a hard
13:36drive or anything?
13:37no. There's like I think 11 DVDs. Yeah,
13:40I haven't even I don't even have time
13:41Oh, they It's It's a series of DVDs that
13:43they put them on? Oh, yeah.
13:44Oh, okay.
13:45Yeah, I mean, I got to
13:45that familiar with computer stuff, so
13:47that's why I was asking.
13:48like 11 DVDs.
13:49Oh, okay. So, you know, um
13:52I haven't had a chance to go through
13:53them. I I
13:54You could go through and pick which ones
13:56you don't want. I don't have time to do
13:57that. Right.
13:58You know, so I So, like you said, did I
14:00you know,
14:01I don't think we ever socialized. Um
14:04you know, uh he'd still call me. Um I
14:07can't say that I would I mean, if he's
14:08married, I don't know that I would have
14:10called him. I mean, maybe. Who knows? I
14:12you know, I I don't know. It's been a
14:13million years ago. How long was John
14:15married before his wife died? I couldn't
14:18I have no idea.
14:19Yeah, I have no idea.
14:21And uh
14:22after his wife died, did did you talk to
14:25him again or anything? Yeah, I mean, I
14:28did talk to him. Mhm. I talked to him,
14:30probably his parents,
14:32um
14:33probably some other friends, um you
14:36know,
14:38I'm sure I talked to him. Yeah. Um
14:41But, you don't you don't You're not sure
14:42where he moved to after he got married?
14:44No idea. I mean,
14:45Never went over to to visit him or
14:48think I mean, I don't think so. I mean,
14:50um
14:52I don't know. I don't I mean, I don't
14:53think I did. Um
14:56I know he lived on Roscoe for a long,
14:58long time.
14:59Um
15:04I mean, he I may know. I mean, he may
15:06have told me where they lived. Somewhere
15:07in the Valley. I mean, he may have said
15:09he lived over such and such, but I I
15:11couldn't tell you specifically where.
15:14But, you don't remember specifically
15:15ever going over to visit him or visit
15:17them at where wherever he moved when he
15:18left Roscoe.
15:20I I I honestly I don't know. I don't
15:22think so, but Okay. I you know, I don't
15:25want to say, "No, I don't think so." and
15:26then he says, "Oh, yes, she came over
15:28for something, dropped something off."
15:30You know,
15:32I'm I don't know. So, if you did go over
15:34there, it'd just be like a a quick
15:35thing, like like you were saying, drop
15:37something off or Maybe, um
15:40But you don't remember as far as like
15:41going there to have dinner or like a
15:43social anything at the house, party?
15:47Well, if you guys know something, I I
15:48just I can't I don't know. I don't think
15:51so.
15:51I mean, but
15:53After uh
15:55John's wife died, and you said you may
15:57have been talking to him. Did uh your
15:59relationship start up again?
16:02I would say no. Um
16:06Again, can you give me a year? I mean,
16:08this is like 2009.
16:10She died in 1986? Yeah, I think it was
16:13'86.
16:131986? Okay. Um
16:16Like I said, I'm I'm faintly remembering
16:19that
16:21um I went to Hawaii
16:24with my friend Greg. Greg and I got
16:25certified for scuba diving.
16:28Um and I'm thinking that John met us
16:31there, meaning Greg and I.
16:33Um
16:35That could have been
16:37I got certified
16:40toward the end of
16:41'88 or I mean yeah, '88, '89.
16:45Um
16:48cuz I got recertified again and and it
16:50had been like over
16:5310 10 years, so I got recertified. My
16:56husband and I got recertified. Um
16:59and I'm pretty sure that John met us
17:02there.
17:04Um again, I'd have to tell you what year
17:06it was, I'd have to look at my pictures.
17:08Um
17:09you know,
17:11um and other than that, I can't even
17:13say. He may have called me
17:16you know, at my home. Um I may have
17:18called him. Um I don't think
17:22he got together with our group. Um
17:25think after his wife's death. Uh even
17:28before I don't
17:29You know,
17:31we went to weddings together. I you
17:33know, Did you
17:34pictures. I I guess it's I couldn't tell
17:36you years. It's been a million years
17:38ago. After he after he got
17:41uh married or whatever, were you were
17:43you dating anybody?
17:45In particular let alone with the other
17:47firemen.
17:471986 you said?
17:49he got married yeah in around 85, 86,
17:51something like that.
17:52Were you seeing anyone seriously or
17:55God.
17:56I couldn't say.
17:58Um
18:00Jeez, I'm trying to think. I mean, um
18:02you know, I dated a fireman. Um What was
18:06his name? Mike Arndt. Um and I'm trying
18:09to think
18:10Was he in LAFD or He was LAFD. Um
18:14I'm trying to think when I went. I
18:15probably met Mike. I went to Devonshire.
18:19Let's see, I left Hollywood in 80 I I
18:22worked Hollywood 84
18:25to 85, I think.
18:26And then I went to Devonshire and that's
18:28when I met Mike.
18:30Um
18:31and some other firemen.
18:34And
18:34What at the station next door? No,
18:36actually Cuz I used to work Hollywood so
18:38I was just wondering if it was the
18:39station next
18:39It was in when I worked Devonshire I met
18:41Mike.
18:42Oh, okay. All right.
18:44And I'm trying to think. I went to
18:45Devonshire in 85 and I'm thinking that
18:50I would have met him probably sometime
18:52shortly after I went to Devonshire cuz I
18:55met him and his I actually met his
18:57buddies at a fight.
18:59Um and then
19:01Mike and I dated
19:03you know, just really kind of casually.
19:06Uh-huh. Um
19:09and we remained very you know, we
19:10remained good friends. Um
19:12You still in touch with him or
19:14Unfortunately, he passed away. Oh,
19:15really? He died in a um he had a car
19:18crash. Um
19:20he did uh race cars and um he went
19:23heading into a wall.
19:24Mhm.
19:26I couldn't tell you what year that was.
19:28Um but he passed away. He was in a coma
19:30and they pulled the the plug.
19:32Right. Seems like mhm uh anyway. Um
19:36so
19:37you know
19:38I couldn't even tell you what what year
19:40I'm thinking I went to Devonshire in '85
19:42and I know I met the guys cuz I it was
19:44kind of a funny incident of how I met
19:45them. And that's how I remember. It was
19:48sometime probably '85. Right. Um you
19:51know, if we specifically I don't even
19:53know if they'd remember. The other two
19:54are now
19:55married to somebody else cuz I kind of
19:58all three I mean
19:59Did you guys socialize like when you
20:01were out with Mike did those guys come
20:02out with you too? Was it kind of like
20:03did you do stuff with Mike's friends or
20:06um there were three there was two
20:07firemen Eric and Gary. Um I met them
20:10first.
20:12Then they introduced me to Mike.
20:13So that's how I met Mike and Mike dated
20:15Mike Mike and I dated. Mhm. So um
20:19and not I wouldn't even say I couldn't
20:20even tell you for how long because then
20:22it was so we decided you know, it wasn't
20:24working out and we'd be better friends
20:26and
20:27you know, he introduced me I think
20:29to some other guy on that who now is on
20:32LAPD. Um
20:34uh
20:36Randy Cordobas.
20:39Um
20:40I don't think I know him.
20:41He's got a twin brother who's on the
20:43fire department. That's how I met Randy
20:46um because he had a twin brother a
20:48identical twin on the fire department.
20:50Okay. Um
20:52and And what you were dating
20:54I dated him.
20:55When I couldn't tell you. It was before
20:57he came on the job.
20:59Oh, before Randy came on the job? Yeah.
21:01Oh, okay. And that was
21:03um
21:05I I'm God, I'm trying to remember. If
21:07Mike Mike may have
21:11I'm trying to remember.
21:13Mike may have dated um
21:16a girl that he dated
21:19I don't know. God, it sounds too weird.
21:21Um
21:23Randy may have dated a gal that Mike was
21:25dating.
21:27And that and then Mike
21:29Randy broke up with that gal.
21:31I couldn't even tell you what the gal's
21:32name if I'm even thinking of the story
21:34right. And then I started dating Randy.
21:38I you know, so again, I mean
21:42not like I was a huge floozy or
21:43anything, but
21:44No, but you know, I mean a lot of times,
21:46right? At least from my female partners
21:49that I've had, you know, it's hard
21:50dating guys that aren't involved in kind
21:52of our circle, right? Because some a lot
21:54some guys are intimidated by, you know,
21:56women police officers and Yeah, Randy
21:58was like an I'm Randy was like an
21:59engineer at the time. Uh he was like a
22:00some kind of an engineer. On a truck on
22:02a rig? On a fire truck?
22:04um an engineer um A professional
22:06engineer. I don't know.
22:07he lost a job and then came on on the
22:09department.
22:10I see. So,
22:12um But getting back to some stuff, as
22:14far as you recall after John's wife, I
22:19did you start a relationship again with
22:21with John or dating casually or anything
22:24like that?
22:26Like I said,
22:28he met Greg and I in Hawaii. Okay.
22:31Um
22:33That was something you guys kind of
22:35planned together like go as a group or
22:37you got ran into him or
22:38No, I I think that
22:41obviously I must have talked to him
22:43and I said, "Hey, I'm going to Hawaii
22:45with my buddy Greg. We're we're
22:47we're scuba We just got certified scuba
22:49diving. Um
22:51uh we're going to be in Hawaii. Hey, if
22:53you want to come and join us, come join
22:54us." Right.
22:55And I I think that's what it was.
22:58Um
22:58I met I may have asked some other people
23:00to as well.
23:02Um
23:02you know,
23:04uh what island did we go to?
23:08I think the Big Island and Kauai. He
23:10either met us on the Big Island or
23:11Kauai. I'm thinking
23:14Greg and I might have scuba dived a lot
23:16in on the Big Island
23:18as well as Kauai. I'm I I don't remember
23:21which island again I'd have to look at
23:22my pictures.
23:24I traveled a lot
23:26on my vacations. I mean I was always
23:28gone for at least a month.
23:30Um
23:31and I would go places and I would either
23:33run into people or you know
23:36you know, meet people.
23:37Um
23:39And Greg, uh this Greg we're talking
23:41about he was
23:43like a someone you were dating or just a
23:46buddy? No, you know what? I would I
23:47would say
23:49we started out um
23:51probably just buddies
23:53um
23:54and either I was with somebody or he was
23:56with somebody but was all we it was kind
23:58of like we ended up just kind of being
23:59like brother and sister. Um
24:03and maybe he wanted something more but
24:05um
24:06you know, it just it never you know,
24:08worked out but we we we did things
24:10together. Um
24:12you know, I would consider him I've
24:13probably known him
24:16let's see I've been on the job almost 26
24:18years.
24:19I've probably known Greg 23 24 years.
24:22Um Do you still talk to him?
24:24Oh yeah, he's dying of liver cancer
24:26right now. Yeah. Yeah, so um so you
24:30know, I I consider him a good friend um
24:34you know um
24:38you know, I don't know what to tell you
24:39on that. Um I mean when when you heard
24:41about uh
24:43John's wife being killed, I mean what
24:45was your what was your reaction? I mean
24:47what did
24:48you thought you heard about it what
24:49through a friend or in a bulletin or
24:51something?
24:51a friend or a bulletin. I obviously I
24:53mean I called I called the family.
24:56I am I called maybe some of his friends
24:58that that that I knew and I mean
24:59obviously it shocked you if you're if I
25:01heard it at work, you know, um which I
25:04may have I I faintly remember a bulletin
25:06going around.
25:08Um
25:09Either that or somebody called me. I I I
25:10I also don't remember. Right.
25:12Um
25:13uh and then I called probably called his
25:15family,
25:16um called uh
25:18I
25:19don't initially
25:21I can't say if I initially spoke to him
25:22or not. I honestly don't remember.
25:25I may have said to somebody, "Hey, have
25:27him call me if he wants to talk."
25:29And then he may have done that.
25:30Uh-huh. Um
25:32you know, um
25:36Do you know what the circumstances were
25:38regarding her death? Mm.
25:42Geez, let me think back.
25:44Um
25:46geez,
25:47I don't know if it was you know, if it
25:49was a burglary or something. Uh yeah,
25:51it's I mean it's been so many years I I
25:54mean I can faintly
25:55think that I may have saw a flyer. Yeah.
25:57Uh may have had her picture on it, you
26:00know, um I mean
26:02That's why I say if somebody had called
26:04me,
26:05I may not have known what her last name
26:07was. I may have I mean maybe if you told
26:09me I would remember it. Um Do you
26:11remember her first name?
26:13Uh
26:14Shelly, um
26:15Sherry,
26:17I don't something maybe you know,
26:20um like I said it's been so many years
26:22and
26:23um
26:24From all the years as far as you can
26:25remember, you don't do you do you
26:27remember ever talking to her? Just Well,
26:29I
26:30I said earlier, you know, I'm I mean
26:33I may have, you know, I may have talked
26:36to her.
26:37Um I it sound I you know,
26:39You mentioned a hospital maybe. You may
26:41have talked to her at a hospital.
26:43Yeah, um
26:45yeah, I may have
26:47you know, I'm I'm thinking back now you
26:48guys are bringing up all these old
26:49memories. No, it kind of dusts off the
26:51cobwebs and things.
26:53Um
26:57I'm thinking that
27:00because I mean, we would date, he would
27:01date other people, I would date other
27:02people. And I think, you know,
27:07at one point, I mean, he may have been
27:10dating her or I don't know, maybe he was
27:13married. I don't even remember.
27:15And I'm like, you know what? Why are you
27:16calling me if you're either dating her
27:19or living with her or married to her? I
27:20I cuz I honestly don't remember the time
27:22frame. Um and I'm like, come on, knock
27:24it off. And I'm And now I'm thinking I
27:26put may I may have gone to her and say,
27:27"Hey, you know what?
27:28You know what? Is he dating you? He's
27:31He's bothering me." Um and so I'm
27:33thinking that we had a conversation
27:34about that.
27:35Um
27:37one or two, maybe.
27:39You know, I It could have been three. I
27:41don't want to say I had three
27:42conversations with her. Like at Like at
27:44her work or at their at their house or
27:47No, I'm thinking that I
27:48You know, he obviously must have told me
27:50where she worked. I'm thinking it was a
27:52hospital somewhere
27:54in LA. And I just I mean, I could have
27:56been
27:58Again, what year was that? Where was I
27:59working?
28:00Um
28:07You know, I don't I don't I'm trying to
28:08think of where I
28:10When did you say they got married?
28:13I don't know. I think it was like
28:15in '85 or '86 or something like that.
28:18Yeah, we we we We just kind of picked
28:20this up. We don't, you know, we don't
28:21know a lot about it.
28:30I mean, I could have been working in
28:31Hollywood, it sounds like, if if that's
28:33where I was working.
28:35Um so, I could have said, "Okay, well,
28:37you know," and I went talk to her.
28:39Um and just said, "Hey, you know what?
28:41You know, if he's dating you, he's he's
28:44keeps calling me. Why don't you tell him
28:46to knock it off or whatever?" and you
28:48know, because I had probably would have
28:49told him to knock it off. You would have
28:50told John? Oh, yeah. I mean, I would
28:52have said, "Hey, you know,
28:54and again, But you wanted to tell her,
28:57too. You wanted them both to know. Yeah,
28:59I mean, you know, if you get you're
29:00getting a
29:01called and then I'm trying I'm faintly
29:03remembering
29:04uh
29:05when Scott moved in with me in 1993.
29:08Uh
29:09sometime in '93 cuz I met Scott in in
29:14in April of '92. I was teaching DARE up
29:16in Oregon. Mhm. Um
29:18and
29:21um
29:23he moved down. In fact, he may have
29:25moved down in '92. Uh
29:27'92 or '93. There was the big
29:29earthquake. No, when was the big
29:30earthquake?
29:31No, '94.
29:32'94. Yeah.
29:33So, he
29:35I think Scott might have might moved in
29:37in '93. Sometime in '93.
29:41Excuse me. Um
29:43I haven't had my breakfast yet. Um and
29:45so
29:47um
29:48Um excuse me.
29:50Um
29:51and so I faintly recall that John may
29:54have called a few times and I'm like,
29:56"Hey, you know, I've got He goes, "Well,
29:58can you I was like, you know, can you
29:59talk or something?" I'm like, "You know,
30:00no, I can't talk. I've got, you know,
30:02I'm living with somebody." Right.
30:04You know, and and that could have been a
30:05few times. It could have been once.
30:06Could have been twice. Could have been
30:07three times. Yeah, I don't know, you
30:09know. Um
30:10And that's during the period of time of
30:11the earthquake that you're talking Well,
30:13no. Probably probably after Scott moved
30:15in. I think I met Scott in April of '92.
30:18Okay, right before.
30:19April of '92 cuz I was te- I I stopped
30:22teaching DARE
30:29I think I stopped teaching DARE sometime
30:30in '92. Mhm.
30:32Um
30:34And when you and when you say that you
30:36may have
30:37um you know that you talked to his wife
30:39said, "Hey, you or you know, I don't
30:41know if it was I guess it wasn't his
30:42wife at that time, girlfriend or
30:43whatever and
30:44Yeah, I don't know if it was his wife or
30:45his I I I I mean, quite honestly, I
30:46don't even remember.
30:47When you said like, "Hey, you know, he's
30:49calling me. He needs to knock it off."
30:50or what have you. I mean, was that was
30:51that civil? Was there I mean, did it Oh,
30:53yeah, no, there was not I don't think
30:54there was anything It was if the
30:55conversation lasted a a a a few minutes,
30:58I can't even remember. It wasn't like,
30:59you know, we went out to lunch or
31:00anything.
31:01Right, but there was no like arguments
31:02or fights or it didn't get heated or
31:04anything like that.
31:05I recall, no. I mean
31:07I would think that would stand out, I
31:09would think. Now, again, that's not
31:11standing out in my mind. Um
31:14you know
31:16So, you didn't have any problems with
31:17her then? You didn't have any issues
31:19with her? No, I mean But let me let me
31:21ask you.
31:22Seems like you didn't have any issue.
31:24Now, did she have an issue with you as
31:26far as because now you're telling her,
31:28"Hey
31:29you know, tell him to stop calling us."
31:30You know, she's like, "Yeah."
31:32You know, you figure she'd be threatened
31:34by you. You know, I
31:36I don't know. I mean From what you
31:38remember as far as when you talked to
31:39her, maybe you didn't take it as
31:41serious, but maybe, you know, did she?
31:44Did she was bothered
31:44like was she throwing things at me or
31:46something or Well, no, just You know. as
31:47far as
31:48you're trying to explain like, "Hey,
31:50have him stop calling me, you know, stop
31:51playing games."
31:52I I I tell you
31:54if the conversation I couldn't even tell
31:56you how long the conversation If you
31:57said, "Did it last a half an hour? Did
31:59it last 3 minutes? Did it last 20
32:00minutes?" I can't even remember. It's
32:02been so long ago, you know? Um You just
32:05remember talking to her, telling him to
32:07that's why you said, "How many times you
32:08talked to her?" I don't know how many
32:09times I talked to her. Maybe it was
32:10once, maybe it was twice, maybe it was
32:12three times. You know, I I I honestly
32:14don't know. Right.
32:16I don't know what year it was. Um
32:19if you if he said, "I met her in such
32:21and such year." I'd go, "Okay, well, I
32:22don't even know what year year he met
32:24her." Um
32:25I graduated from UCLA in 1982, okay?
32:30I graduated in '82.
32:31Like I said, I don't know if he
32:32graduated I know he was
32:35he little older than I was. So, I don't
32:37know if he graduated a year before or 2
32:38years before because people are on
32:39different
32:41either on the 4-year program or the
32:425-year program.
32:45What year did you come on the job?
32:4783.
32:48Oh, so almost pretty much immediately
32:50after you got out of school?
32:52Yeah, I worked at a law firm for a year.
32:55Um, and then came on the job.
32:58But in anyway, in regards to seeing him,
33:01not seeing him,
33:02we went to friends' weddings that were,
33:04you know,
33:06from UCLA.
33:07I may have gone to some of his friends'
33:09weddings from where he worked.
33:12He may have gone to things with me. You
33:14know,
33:17you know, I mean, I I I
33:19don't know how many times we went to do
33:20things, you know, or didn't do things.
33:23Right. Like I said, his sister,
33:26um,
33:27I know his sister,
33:30his brother, his sister I know stayed at
33:32my townhouse
33:34a number of times. I couldn't tell you
33:36how many times.
33:37Right. Um,
33:38I would watch his brother, you know,
33:41take pictures at a basketball game or or
33:43two.
33:43Where was your townhouse at? In Granada
33:45Hills.
33:47Um, uh, below the Odyssey.
33:49I don't know where that is. Oh, I'm
33:50sorry. The 405 and the 5. Um, the 405
33:53and
33:54the the 405 turns into the 5, the 118.
33:57Um, they they came down in the
33:59earthquake. Okay. So. Okay.
34:02And you were saying
34:03when you went to see her,
34:06do you do you remember if it was at her
34:08house or at
34:09at the place she worked at?
34:12No, I'm thinking that I'm thinking that
34:14it was probably
34:16for some reason I want to say that the
34:18hospital seemed that, you know, if if
34:21you say he got married in
34:2385 or something, I'm thinking that, you
34:25know, maybe the hospital was on my way
34:27to work in Hollywood. I mean, that's
34:30kind of sounding familiar.
34:32Um,
34:33Would you have gone on duty?
34:35Oh, no. I'm sure I wouldn't. If I No,
34:37I'm I'm pretty good about not doing
34:39stuff.
34:40You know, I mean No, I'm not saying that
34:42you know, you haven't done stuff on
34:43duty, but I I I would have I mean I
34:46would have been working with somebody.
34:48Okay. You know, so
34:50I wouldn't I wouldn't think. I mean, I
34:51try to avoid doing stuff on duty. So.
34:55So, you would have gone if it was in
34:57route to work, you more than likely
34:58would have gone to her work and had this
35:00discussion with her. I mean, that's
35:02sounding familiar. I mean, that's Now
35:04that you guys are bringing this stuff
35:05up,
35:07I mean, it sound that sounds familiar.
35:09But again, I mean, you know,
35:12What's I mean, what's this got to do
35:13with me dating him and you know, her
35:16getting killed? I mean, I I don't you
35:18know, I don't have anything to do with
35:19it and
35:20you got something that's Somebody said,
35:22you know, whatever. I mean, Well, like
35:25we said, we we just literally got this
35:26the other day and and you're going
35:28through it Yeah. You guys
35:29I mean, she's next next door. Right. And
35:32and so, you know, I mean, obviously,
35:33it's like we recognize the name. We know
35:35you know, you work next door to us and
35:36so, we're trying to get some background.
35:38We're trying to figure this out. I mean,
35:39this is from a long time ago.
35:41You know, and and and things have been
35:42kind of slow for us and so, you know,
35:44Chief Beck has said, "Hey, you know, I
35:46want you guys working. I don't want you
35:47just sitting around reading the paper."
35:48Yeah. So, he's kind of pushing some
35:50older cases out even to the guys that
35:51work active cases because, you know, and
35:53so, we see this and we're just like,
35:54"Oh, well,
35:55you know, we want to talk to you about
35:56it, but of course, the only reason we
35:57did it here is because we're getting
35:58into some pretty personal stuff in your
36:00relationship
36:01my husband's on the job and we've been
36:03married
36:04for 10 years.
36:04We don't want to take the risk in one of
36:05those interview rooms and even with the
36:06door closed, someone's going to get
36:08supplies and sees on a monitor, hears or
36:09whatever.
36:10I appreciate it. I mean, I appreciate
36:11it. Like I said,
36:12That's where people go when there's
36:13orals, you know, when they're doing
36:14orals, guys will go in there and try and
36:15watch and go, "Oh, what are the answers
36:16to the questions?" you know.
36:17know that. Yeah, so so we just we just
36:19want to afford you the most privacy and
36:20confidentiality we could. No, I
36:22appreciate it. Like I said, I mean, this
36:24goes way back and I mean, it was very
36:26sad. You know, obviously
36:29um um
36:30I I haven't you know I
36:33when we were in college
36:35some of us would go down to his house in
36:36San Diego. I went down to his house with
36:38him.
36:39You know, with with him and I know I I'm
36:42trying to think of some other people
36:43that may have gone down to
36:44where he grew up? Is down there? Yeah,
36:45down in San Diego.
36:46Oh, okay.
36:47Um I know his dad's was a professor at
36:49San Diego State. I don't know if he
36:51still is. Mhm. Um
36:53I don't know what happened to his
36:55sister, don't know what happened to his
36:56brother.
36:57Um
36:59You know, I'm sure his dad's probably
37:00retired by now.
37:02He was I think older
37:03um even back then. Right. Um
37:07and I I can't even tell you the last
37:10time I had any contact with any of them.
37:11It's been so long. Did he tell you what
37:13happened? Like what he heard from the
37:15detectives or the police or
37:18You know what? He may have
37:21um
37:22For some reason I'm thinking that
37:26I mean again, this is like
37:32drugs or something. I mean I think I
37:35faintly remember him
37:37mentioning something maybe about
37:38cocaine.
37:40Um
37:41That she was involved with that? You
37:43know, I don't know that he said she was
37:45involved or they thought she was I You
37:47know, again, it's been so long. I you
37:49know, he could have mentioned he could
37:51have told me the whole story of what
37:52happened and I mean like I said, I
37:55faintly remember even between him or the
37:57flyer
37:58um
37:59that there was some kind of a burglary.
38:02Um
38:04You know,
38:05Let me ask you, did the detectives ever
38:07reach out to you? Ever No, no one's ever
38:09talked to me. I don't think anybody ever
38:11talked to me about about him. Um It
38:13seems like back then you were
38:14well, I I take
38:18I'm thinking that I did talk to a
38:20detective.
38:22Um
38:23God.
38:25Well, what division was it?
38:28In Van Nuys?
38:29Hm.
38:31And where was I working?
38:34Um
38:351986?
38:36I would have been working Devonshire.
38:41You know, I'm thinking that I did speak
38:42to somebody. Oh, really? Okay.
38:44I couldn't tell you who it was.
38:46Cuz it doesn't it doesn't say anything
38:48about
38:48the phone. Okay.
38:49Um
38:51Could have been somebody in regards to
38:53this or just
38:54Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Um
38:57I don't even know if you said a name if
38:58I would remember it. Because I worked
39:00Van Nuys for a while. Oh, you did?
39:03Yeah, I worked um Detectives patrol?
39:05No, we're detectives.
39:06Uh-huh. Um
39:08When did I go to Van Nuys?
39:11I worked Devonshire till '88, then I
39:14went to Dare till '92.
39:17I worked twice at Van Nuys.
39:20Um Both as a detective? Yeah.
39:26Sometime in the '90s. Uh-huh. Um
39:32Yeah, I'm
39:34I know before I busted my leg up, I was
39:36there in '98 cuz that year sticks out
39:38because I had a really bad leg injury.
39:41Um
39:43and I was there prior to that, but I
39:44couldn't tell you what year. It was just
39:46a few years. I made detective, I think,
39:48in '93.
39:51'93.
39:53So, um
39:55I was at Van Nuys
39:57and then I went back and then I had a
39:58leg injury and then they transferred me
39:59to Devonshire cuz I couldn't drive.
40:01Uh-huh.
40:02I couldn't drive very far with the my
40:04bad leg injury.
40:05So, um
40:07But yeah, I I I think I talked to
40:09somebody.
40:10Um
40:11Remember anything? Would you remember
40:13any of the conversation as far as what
40:15they were looking for or
40:18Couldn't say. I mean, they may have told
40:20me I said, "Hey, you know, I went to
40:22school with him."
40:23Um I either they either somebody called
40:25me or I saw the fly I may have seen the
40:27flyer at that point and I called up if
40:30if someone's name was on the flyer I may
40:31have called to speak to them. I said,
40:33"Hey, if there's anything I can do, you
40:35know, um call me. This is where I work."
40:39You know, I went to uh you know, uh
40:41school with him. Um
40:45Couldn't say. I couldn't tell you who it
40:47was.
40:49But you do remember that that someone
40:50you think reached out to you?
40:53You mean a detective?
40:54Yeah. Called you up and talked to you.
40:56Or I called them. One of the two. But
40:58yeah, I
41:00you know, I I remember talking to
41:01somebody, but
41:04I'm thinking it was a man.
41:06I'm sure there's probably more men back
41:07then. Right.
41:10Um
41:11So, again, that's
41:14I mean, that's not really all I can
41:16remember about that. Yeah.
41:19Let me get back uh to
41:21as far as when you said that uh
41:24John was calling you to to see you. And
41:27during that time you felt that he was
41:29was
41:29felt he was either seeing her was
41:31engaged or married. Did Did you know?
41:33Couldn't say. I don't
41:34remember? I you know, I don't know.
41:36Uh-huh. Um I
41:38Whatever it is
41:38Well, let's see. My husband Did it ever
41:40appear to
41:41Well, no. No, that would have been
41:43Scott moved in in '93.
41:45So, that would have been you said '86 or
41:47'85 or something.
41:48Scott's your only husband. You've never
41:49been married.
41:50Yeah. No. Never been married. I got
41:51married in I think '96. Well, no. I know
41:54I got married in '96. But he moved in in
41:56'93. Uh-huh.
41:58But uh
42:00during that time that you were seeing
42:01John,
42:02uh
42:03you know, was he acting kind of you
42:04know, kind of squirrely or kind of
42:05sneaking around when he'd hook up with
42:07you or anything like that
42:09to make you think, "Hey, you know, yeah,
42:11this guy
42:11He he probably was. I mean
42:14I mean, cuz I from the impression I get
42:15is you've known him a long time. Well,
42:17let's see. From what early
42:18I met him in '78. No, I I met him in
42:21school I started UCLA in '78.
42:24Um So, you know him well.
42:27During that period of time. Yeah, I
42:29mean, was he acting squirrely?
42:32You know,
42:33I don't even remember where he was
42:34living then. You know, I
42:38Well, after
42:38I don't
42:39Well, let me ask you after he hooked up
42:41with uh I mean, if he was living on
42:42Roscoe or wherever else he was living.
42:44Right. Well, after he hooked up with uh
42:47with Sherry,
42:48do you know uh where they were living?
42:51No, you asked me that already. Uh-huh.
42:53And I said, "Well, obviously you were
42:54living in Van Nuys division." Yeah.
42:57Um
42:59I may have known. Mhm. I mean, I you
43:01know, again, I you know, did he ever
43:03give me the address?
43:05I maybe.
43:07You know, I don't remember. I mean, I
43:08don't know.
43:11Cuz the only reason I'm asking you again
43:12is cuz as we've been talking, I know
43:14some stuff has come to you cuz you're
43:15like, "Oh, see you see you You know, So,
43:18that's why I'm asking if you've ever
43:19been to the house.
43:20you said Van Nuys division,
43:23you know, I'm just
43:29I'm sure he could have told me. I mean,
43:30he could have told me. He could have
43:31told me where he lived. Um
43:36Do you ever gone there?
43:38I don't think I've ever gone there.
43:40That's what I'm saying. I don't
43:42I don't want to say no, I've never gone
43:43there and then you say, "Oh, I was at a
43:45party." Uh cuz I I I don't you know, I
43:48don't think so. Yeah. Um like I said,
43:51we've got these friends. We have
43:52different we have parties.
43:54Um
43:55my house, their house.
43:58I I just don't think John ever came to
44:00any
44:01Again, you know, at what point because
44:04we we knew people from school together.
44:07I knew different people, he knew
44:08different people. I knew people that he
44:10knew from his work, um
44:13you know, that lived in the valley,
44:15um
44:17you know.
44:19So, as far as for social events or
44:20anything, I mean, it's
44:23I mean, you're not sure if you ever been
44:24to the house cuz
44:30But, it's safe to say that would have
44:31been the only time, like for something
44:33social.
44:35Yeah, if I went there for something
44:36social, yeah. I mean
44:38Because I know you you went to talk to
44:40her
44:41at the hospital
44:43uh regarding this issue with John.
44:46So, you know, kind of like they you
44:47know, what's going to happen here with
44:48this thing.
44:50But, would this ever have followed up to
44:51her house when you went to talk to her
44:53to say, "Hey, you know what?"
44:54I
44:55I don't even know that I knew where they
44:56lived. I You know, that's what I'm
44:58saying. I don't If I knew where they
45:00lived and I'd been there, if it was for
45:02something social
45:04I I would I'm I'm
45:06And I can't see how many times I I saw
45:07her face-to-face.
45:09You know, he lived on Roscoe. Did I ever
45:10see her there? I don't know. I mean, I
45:14may have seen her at his apartment on
45:15Roscoe. Mhm.
45:17I may have met her there.
45:19You know, I I mean
45:22But, you didn't have any issues with
45:23her, right?
45:24No, I mean, you know, obviously, if he
45:27was dating me and dating her, I probably
45:29said, "Hey, pick." or something, you
45:30know, you know, back then.
45:33Um
45:35I can't say that we ever screamed or
45:37yeah, you know, it's I mean, he was a
45:39pretty mellow guy.
45:41You know, um
45:43I think I was pretty mellow. I I don't I
45:45don't think we had some big huge blow-up
45:47to say
45:48you know, why we stopped dating or you
45:50know,
45:51and I even think that when I was dating
45:53him, I was probably Like I said, I was
45:55probably going out with other guys and
45:56he was probably going out with other
45:58girls. You know, I don't know.
46:00I mean, would you remember if she
46:02snapped on you and just like, "Hey man,
46:04it's my man, you know, you get it leave
46:06him alone, you know, blah blah blah."
46:07That kind of stuff?
46:08You know,
46:11And would you remember an incident like
46:12that? I mean, cuz that would be like,
46:13"What?" Well, you know, and maybe that
46:15happened. I mean,
46:18gosh, I you know,
46:20it's been so long ago. I you know, I
46:22just I mean, that's not ringing a bell.
46:26Mhm. Um I mean, cuz the times I've seen
46:28you around at our office I'm crazy.
46:31But you're always kind of like real
46:33I mean, you seem kind of bubbly. Oh, I'm
46:35I'm you know, people think I'm really
46:37hyper. Um but I can I mean, I can get
46:40I can get upset. You know, and and I
46:42mean, I forget 5 seconds later. You
46:44know, you know how guys rage and you go
46:47Ah, you know, um
46:49I mean, I've done that in the office,
46:50you know, but it's like and then I'm you
46:53know, and then I'm
46:54you know, uh you know, I I mean, people
46:57think
46:57the bridge. Yeah, I mean, it's like
46:58people think I'm crazy and then they
47:00think I'm crazy at home and I'm you
47:02know, more I'm I'm a hyper person at
47:04work. I'm you know, I I
47:06enjoy my job. I get excited. I you know,
47:08um
47:09I I enjoy the job. I've always enjoyed
47:12the job. Um Well, you got a good gig,
47:14so.
47:15You know,
47:16um so you know, I
47:19I you know, I don't know. It's like I
47:21said, this stuff's been so long ago. Um
47:23you know, I'm sure as soon as I walk out
47:25here, I'll go, "Oh, shoot. I did 25
47:28things I'll remember."
47:29Um you know, But you'll call us or I
47:31mean, you'll just come over our desk and
47:32tell us.
47:33I don't know what else you need to know.
47:35Like I said, you know, we we knew
47:36friends together.
47:38A lot of the friends that you know, that
47:40we socialized in the dorms, I would say,
47:43I mean, there was a group of us that
47:46um we were all really close. I I mean,
47:48even this one guy I was thinking of, you
47:50know, um Diana Basta. We were all really
47:53close. I haven't talked to her in a
47:55million years. Um Diana Basta being a
47:57friend of you and John's or
47:59Yeah, we all lived on the dorms on the
48:01dorms together. I don't know if she
48:02lived on the same we I'm trying to think
48:04I think I know John lived on our floor
48:07because his roommate was Dave Newman.
48:09Dave Newman now is a big huge big shot
48:12whatever.
48:13Movie producer, director, something. I
48:15don't know. Um And he was John's
48:17roommate? Yeah. And then the guys who
48:19lived across from me
48:21um Jim Jascul and Roy
48:25Saccaboo, Saccaboo, something like that.
48:27Um they lived across from me. Um Diana
48:30Basta
48:33I don't know if she lived on our floor.
48:34Maybe she was the RA.
48:37Um
48:38Diane Sherman
48:40um cuz I still remain friends with Diane
48:42Sherman.
48:43Um not that I'm not friends with the
48:44other people. I just don't see them.
48:46Um
48:48a gal named Smita
48:50um Sally
48:54Kathleen. You know, so we we were all on
48:57the floor. I mean, some of them were
48:59athletes, some of them weren't. You
49:01know, I said John played basketball, his
49:02brother played basketball, I played
49:03basketball at UCLA for 2 years.
49:05Um
49:06one of the girls swam on the team, one
49:08was on the crew team. So, we all did
49:09stuff together. Um and then I'd say
49:12after we all graduated, um we went to
49:14weddings, you know, I went to weddings.
49:16Um
49:17uh
49:19But Sherry wasn't part of this circle.
49:22No, I don't even know how he how he met
49:24her. I don't even know where I mean, I
49:25don't know where he met her from. I
49:26don't even know He told me where he met
49:28her from. I mean, he may have told me. I
49:30You know, that's not ringing a bell.
49:33Um
49:35And there was lots I mean, you know,
49:36there's just
49:38There was other people that knew other
49:39people,
49:40um
49:40you know, that were friends of
49:42everybody's.
49:43Um
49:45You know.
49:47Um I mean, I don't know what else to
49:49tell you. Well, one of the concerns I
49:50have as we're looking at some of the
49:51notes is uh
49:53some of Sherry's friends said that
49:56you and her were having a problem
49:59because of the John situation.
50:02That's
50:04Well,
50:05I number one, I don't know who her
50:06friends are.
50:08Um cuz again, I don't I don't recall if
50:11he did tell me where he met her.
50:14I don't even who these friends are. A
50:16problem?
50:17I guess that if I spoke to her
50:20I mean, I'll go out as far as a limb and
50:22I don't even want to say I spoke to her
50:23five times cuz that's probably not even
50:25true. I I I can't even remember. Um
50:29again, did I meet him at her place when
50:31he you know, he lived on Roscoe for I
50:32think
50:33uh quite a while, but I couldn't tell
50:35you how long he lived on Roscoe. And the
50:37only reason why I remember the place now
50:38is because it's like a huge dope dope
50:40place now where they, you know, it may
50:42have been back then, but you know, maybe
50:45we didn't know back then.
50:47I could have met her there. I could
50:48have, you know,
50:50I I
50:51I don't think so.
50:52You know, I don't even know that I met
50:55any of their friends.
50:56I I I You know, I don't I I I can't say
50:59that. I don't know that that's a true
51:00statement. Well, that's what I'm reading
51:02is that
51:03you guys have problems with each other
51:05and words are being exchanged and it's
51:06all relating to John.
51:10You know what? I I I I I just I can't
51:13say. You can't say it? No, I that
51:16doesn't even ring a bell. I mean, I
51:17mean, it seemed like yeah, you would
51:19recall something if I would I would
51:21think.
51:22I would think. I mean, I would think.
51:25I would think.
51:25Yeah. Because it's But that I, you know,
51:29And it seems like your relationship with
51:30John was
51:32kind of
51:34I mean, you've known each other for a
51:35lot of years. Yeah, it was just kind of
51:37it was like
51:40But it doesn't seem to me from what
51:41you're telling me that I mean, we were
51:42never engaged. I mean, it wasn't like we
51:44were planning to get married. Um
51:46you know, it was like it it was all I
51:51I don't know how to describe it. I mean
51:53Would you say there wasn't a lot of
51:54drama in this relationship?
51:56I don't think there was drama. Okay.
51:58Yeah, I mean That's why I'm asking as
52:00far as what the friends are saying in
52:01regards to
52:03this, you know, the problems they're
52:05saying you were having with with Sherry.
52:08I mean, it seems like the relationship
52:09is just going on an even plane.
52:11That just does I I that I that I don't
52:13have that recollection of that at all.
52:14No? No. And cuz from what you're telling
52:17me is when you guys met at the hospital
52:20uh,
52:20I mean, you guys talked, but it wasn't
52:23from what you recall confrontational
52:25from either side?
52:27I I mean
52:28I'm trying to, you know, turn my memory
52:30back, you know,
52:32and I'm try I can't even I can't even
52:34picture the
52:35you know, picture the the conversation.
52:37I mean, I can't even picture the
52:38conversation.
52:39Well, let me ask you. I mean, at the
52:40hospital it it never got to the point
52:41where people are going, "Hey, hey, you
52:42know,
52:43go to everybody go to your own corner"
52:45type of thing? I don't think so.
52:47Nothing like that?
52:48think so. I mean, I really don't. I
52:49mean, if you if you know, if you say
52:51people said that
52:53that's not ringing a bell to me at all.
52:54I mean, it's not. I mean, that that's
52:56not ringing a bell Was there
52:58Was there ever a time when you and
52:59Sherry were talking and John had to
53:01maybe go like, "Hey, you guys
53:02relax, you know" or anything like that?
53:05I don't think so.
53:07About, you know, ever going to her house
53:09and having a dispute like that?
53:12You know,
53:14I'm just
53:16if I met her ever at his apartment,
53:18maybe. I mean, maybe we could have met
53:19at I could have met her at apartment.
53:23go like, "Hey, you guys
53:24See, you know, if you say people said
53:26that
53:27that's not ringing a bell to me at all.
53:28I mean, it's not. I mean, that that's
53:30not ringing a bell Was there
53:32Was there ever a time when you and
53:33Sherry were talking and John had to
53:35maybe go like, "Hey, you guys
53:37relax, you know" or anything like that?
53:40I don't think so.
53:42About, you know, ever going to her house
53:44and having a dispute like that.
53:47You know,
53:48I'm just
53:50If I met her ever at his apartment,
53:52maybe. I mean, maybe we could have met
53:54at I could have met her at apartment.
53:56I'm thinking that
53:58the hospital thing, that sounds familiar
54:01that I I met her there.
54:05I just can't say that I've ever
54:06Again, was I there with other people?
54:09I don't I I
54:11I don't know. Um I don't think I ever
54:14met her there or him there.
54:16Um
54:17I mean, either one or the other.
54:19I don't think so. I I just I can't
54:23I don't think so. Cuz I mean, I know the
54:25way my wife is
54:26at our house, she wouldn't want my own
54:28girlfriends there, you know? So, I don't
54:30know if maybe she had the same mentality
54:32towards you if as far as you ever being
54:35being welcome there, you know? Cuz it's
54:37You know what? If somebody said I was
54:39there when they were there, then that's
54:41possible, but I just I
54:43I don't recall. I mean, I don't think
54:45so. I don't
54:46It's not sounding familiar.
54:49Yeah, cuz I guess basically what I'm
54:50asking is, you know, were you ever
54:51welcome to the house like, you know,
54:52"Hey, Oh, come over?" Yeah, come on
54:54over. I'm having a barbecue, you know.
54:58A dinner party, Christmas party, or
54:59whatever.
55:01I don't know. You don't know? I'm just
55:02trying to think.
55:06You know, like I said, because there
55:07were so many of us that
55:09the the two Dianes,
55:11um Jim Jasculca, Roy, um Smeeda, the gal
55:15Smeeda, another friend of ours, Beth. I
55:18She uh pa- It seems like everybody I
55:20know pass- passing away. Um she passed
55:23away. She was a child diabetic and and
55:25got very ill.
55:27Um
55:27we would all socialize. Um
55:29like I said, I don't think John ever s-
55:32It's hard I don't want to say he never
55:33socialized with us.
55:35Um
55:38I you know, it it's been I I'd have to
55:39go almost go back and look at pictures
55:41because I take pictures. I mean I
55:43usually when I have I go to functions,
55:45I've 10,000 pictures, okay? I'm a
55:48picture nut. Mhm.
55:51Let me ask, when you were seeing John,
55:52would you
55:54I take it he would pick you up in his
55:55car, you're going in her you know, your
55:57car, things of that nature?
55:59When you guys would go out?
56:01Well, yeah, I mean
56:02Do you remember what he what he drove?
56:06Well, I know at one time he drove either
56:08a 240 or 260Z.
56:12Any other cars that stand out in your
56:13mind?
56:14Mhm.
56:25I don't know how long he drove that 240
56:27or 260Z for. Um and the only reason I
56:30say that is cuz I think
56:33I may have a picture of it um
56:35with him in it. Um
56:38What kind of car did you have back then?
56:41Let's see.
56:43What year?
56:44Or are you like one of those young cops
56:45that like, "Oh, I got a paycheck and
56:46bought a new car?"
56:47no, I I've only had like a few cars in
56:50my whole life. So, what you have when
56:51you came on the job?
56:56Well, my first car was a '68 Chevelle.
57:00Mhm, '68 Chevelle.
57:04And then I had
57:06a Toyota
57:12Mhm.
57:13Some kind of a Toyota. Mhm. Um
57:17hatchback, but I forget what the name of
57:18it was.
57:20Um Like a Corolla or Tercel
57:22Tercel. Something like that.
57:24Tercel. Yeah. And then I had my truck.
57:27Did you ever have any problems with your
57:28cars?
57:32Like what?
57:33Just anything in general, car wrecks,
57:35anything stolen.
57:36Yeah. No, my car's never been stolen.
57:39Oh,
57:39no, crashed,
57:41hit and run,
57:43um
57:46uh
57:48hit I mean, my Tercel was hit and run.
57:50Again, I got I got pictures of the hit
57:51and runs, um
57:53and I don't think any of my cars had
57:54ever been stolen. No.
57:57My cars haven't been stolen.
58:00Broken into,
58:02um None of that, huh?
58:04Oh, yeah, they My car's has been broken
58:06into,
58:07um
58:10you know,
58:11but no cars have ever been stolen. Mhm.
58:16How long Well, when Tell me about this
58:18uh car getting broken into.
58:21Well, my car's been broken into several
58:22times. Oh, really?
58:25You ever lose anything or
58:27Yeah.
58:29Now that you mention it,
58:30let's see.
58:33I had a gun that was stolen. Mhm.
58:36Uh I had other stuff that was stolen.
58:38Not your duty gun, was it?
58:40No. Oh, that's good.
58:42Um Was it ever recovered?
58:44I don't know. No, I don't think so. Not
58:47that I know of.
58:47Never been notified? No. Car's been
58:49broken into
58:51Yeah, several times. Where did that
58:53happen when your gun was taken?
59:01Trying to remember.
59:04I'm sure you guys must know.
59:06Um
59:09cuz my car was broken into in Ventura,
59:15I think in Santa Monica. I have
59:16relatives that live in Santa Monica and
59:18Venice.
59:19Um Who lives there? My uncle. Well, I
59:22had I had several uncles.
59:24Um Mhm.
59:27Yeah, could have been Santa Monica.
59:30Um Venice.
59:32My my car's been broken into in Ventura
59:34before.
59:35So.
59:37Is your mom still around or? Mhm. Yeah.
59:40Your dad?
59:41Yeah, but I don't really have that much
59:43of a relationship with my dad. Oh.
59:46So.
59:47I couldn't tell you where he lives if
59:49you're you want to know. Oh, really?
59:51No. Mhm.
59:52Yeah, couldn't tell you.
59:55Well, uh
59:56Like I said, as we were looking at the
59:58case and you know, we had read the notes
1:00:00as far as from uh
1:00:03Sherry's friend saying
1:00:05you you guys had problems or words and
1:00:07they got heated.
1:00:09You know, and the reason we're asking
1:00:10you is they had mentioned that an
1:00:12incident at her work had occurred.
1:00:15And they've also told us that an
1:00:16incident at her house occurred.
1:00:21You know what? And this is at her house
1:00:23during the period of time that they're
1:00:24married.
1:00:26Mhm.
1:00:27That's just not sounding familiar at
1:00:29all. I mean, I you know what? I
1:00:33That's just not sound I I I
1:00:34Again, if someone says that I was at her
1:00:36house and I had an incident with her
1:00:40I I you know, I that just doesn't sound
1:00:42I I I
1:00:43You know, was John there? Did John say
1:00:45this happened because and other people
1:00:47were there? I I
1:00:48I just I don't recall. I mean, it just
1:00:50doesn't sound you know, familiar. And
1:00:53this is an incident where you showed up.
1:00:56You weren't supposed to show up.
1:00:58And
1:01:00things got heated.
1:01:01At his house? Yes.
1:01:05It I you know, I that just doesn't sound
1:01:08familiar. I mean
1:01:09Nothing? No.
1:01:10I you know, it's not sounding familiar.
1:01:13So Not at all. Now you're saying not
1:01:14familiar cuz it's just you don't you
1:01:16remember or is it just
1:01:17you know what? I would have then I'd
1:01:19have to say I don't remember cuz I don't
1:01:21remember. I need that doesn't sound
1:01:22familiar. I
1:01:24I mean, would you remember something
1:01:25like that in your life if Well, I would
1:01:27think, but
1:01:28drama involving, you know,
1:01:30the other woman type of thing? Sure. Did
1:01:32you ever fight with her?
1:01:34You mean like we fought?
1:01:34Yeah. Did you ever duke it out with her?
1:01:37No, I don't think so. I mean You'd
1:01:39remember that, right? That would be
1:01:40pretty
1:01:41Yeah, I would think so. I mean
1:01:43Pretty specific, you know. Yeah, like I
1:01:45said, I mean obviously
1:01:48I
1:01:48you know, I mean
1:01:50it just doesn't sound familiar.
1:01:52I mean I mean what are they saying? So I
1:01:54I I fought with her, so so now I mean I
1:01:56I I I I'm
1:01:58get getting the jump or the leap.
1:02:01Excuse me, I haven't eaten. Um
1:02:03they're saying, "Okay, I fought with
1:02:04her, so I must have killed her."
1:02:06I mean, come on. I mean, that's
1:02:08you know,
1:02:10I don't even know who these people are.
1:02:12I I can't even say I met any of these
1:02:13people. I mean, that's it's insane.
1:02:16I I
1:02:17If it happened, I honestly don't
1:02:19remember it.
1:02:20That's all I can tell you. I mean
1:02:22I mean, both
1:02:23I don't know if you know
1:02:25would be something you would remember. I
1:02:26mean, cuz it's I don't know if any other
1:02:29intense incidents in your life that have
1:02:31occurred. I mean, you'd recall those,
1:02:32right? I mean Well,
1:02:34like a use of force at work or car
1:02:37crash, something you're involved in.
1:02:38You'd be like, "Yeah, I remember that."
1:02:39think I would remember. I mean, I would
1:02:41think if it was something that crazy, I
1:02:43mean I I I can't say I you say, "How
1:02:45many fights have you gotten into, you
1:02:46know, in your life?"
1:02:49You know, I mean, a few at work.
1:02:51Well, fights at work are kind of
1:02:52different cuz we've all had uses of
1:02:54force or whatever, but I mean Well, I
1:02:55haven't even had even a lot of those.
1:02:56Right, but if you're if you're actually,
1:02:59you know, I mean, I played
1:03:00Like if if Dan and I got mad at each
1:03:01other and we threw blows in the squad
1:03:03room, I mean, 20 years later I I would
1:03:05remember it. I mean I would think I
1:03:06would remember it, but that's that's
1:03:08what I'm saying. That's not sounding
1:03:09familiar to me at all. I mean,
1:03:12Let me ask you. I mean, throughout your
1:03:14life,
1:03:17you know, would you remember the number
1:03:18of fights you've been involved in?
1:03:20And I don't mean kind of like a bump or
1:03:22something, just a a physical fight where
1:03:23you
1:03:26everybody's hitting each other,
1:03:26scratching, pulling, you know, whatever.
1:03:29Maybe. I mean, I can't say I've been in
1:03:31a lot. You know, I played sports. Yeah.
1:03:34You know, you get into scuffles there
1:03:36and
1:03:36Mhm.
1:03:37Um
1:03:38And you recall some of those, right? I
1:03:39mean, just
1:03:41Yeah, I can recall some of them.
1:03:42Yeah,
1:03:43yeah, games get intense. But like I
1:03:44said, this you saying this this is just
1:03:46not ringing a bell. I mean, but you
1:03:48know,
1:03:50I don't know what to tell you. It's it's
1:03:51just that's just not ringing a bell to
1:03:53me.
1:03:54It'd be something I would think I would
1:03:56remember. I mean, I'm
1:03:58If you're in this
1:03:59I would think so, too.
1:04:00If you're in this other girl's house and
1:04:01But
1:04:02words are exchanged, I mean, you figure
1:04:03you'd recall. I would think.
1:04:06Especially if it got physical, right?
1:04:08Well, I would think. And it's relating
1:04:10to
1:04:11you know, a guy that you were dating and
1:04:13that she's dating now, you know, and
1:04:15it's like a whole
1:04:17love triangle type of thing. I mean, you
1:04:18figure you'd remember that, right? Well,
1:04:20I would think.
1:04:23So.
1:04:26I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
1:04:27Yeah.
1:04:28No, cuz I'm I mean, I'm trying to I'm
1:04:30looking at the notes and these people
1:04:32are kind of
1:04:34I mean, they're pointing the finger at
1:04:35you. Well, and
1:04:37I mean,
1:04:39that's not ringing a bell to me, so you
1:04:42know, I don't know you know,
1:04:44it's
1:04:46I don't know what to tell you. I mean,
1:04:47that just sounds crazy to me. Yeah. So,
1:04:50you offhand, you don't recall ever going
1:04:51into her house and
1:04:53having words and physically
1:04:56you know, No. I mean,
1:04:57attacking her, her attacking you. No.
1:05:00Nothing like that? No. I mean, that's
1:05:01no.
1:05:03Nothing?
1:05:03No.
1:05:04No.
1:05:05Not at all. Okay.
1:05:08Well, on some of the
1:05:10uh on this case,
1:05:12you know, this is occurred in '86,
1:05:15right? Uh,
1:05:17detectives processed the scene, things
1:05:18of that nature. Uh,
1:05:21they did fingerprints and all that
1:05:22stuff. You know, you know the standard
1:05:24stuff. I mean, you you've been doing
1:05:25this longer than I have.
1:05:26Uh, Well, not about that.
1:05:28I got 26 years on
1:05:30going on 26. 19, so.
1:05:33But,
1:05:35you know, as they processed everything,
1:05:37they did the best they could at that
1:05:38time and they looked at a lot of a lot
1:05:40of people and different things in this
1:05:41case.
1:05:42And you're right.
1:05:43if you guys are claiming that I'm a
1:05:44suspect, then, you know, I I got a
1:05:47problem with, you know, with that. Okay.
1:05:49Okay. So,
1:05:51you know, if you're if you're doing this
1:05:53as an interrogation, you're saying,
1:05:54"Hey, I'm a suspect." Well, now I got a
1:05:56problem with, you know, now you're
1:05:58accusing me of this.
1:06:00Is that what you're Is that what you're
1:06:01saying?
1:06:02We're trying to figure out what
1:06:03happened, Stephanie.
1:06:05Uh, well, I'm I was, you know, I'm just
1:06:07saying.
1:06:08Uh, you know, do I Do I need to get a
1:06:10lawyer if you're accusing me of this?
1:06:13you know, You don't have to I mean, you
1:06:14know, you're here of your own free will.
1:06:16I mean, No, well, I know, but I mean,
1:06:17You know, you're not you're not under
1:06:18arrest. You can walk out whenever you
1:06:19You can leave whenever you like. Well,
1:06:21you know,
1:06:22I'm trying to give you some background
1:06:23of, you know, how I knew him.
1:06:26And now you're telling me that some
1:06:27somebody's saying that we had this big
1:06:29old fight and I don't even know what
1:06:31you're talking about. Um, you know, and
1:06:33I don't want to, you know, get in
1:06:34trouble for something that I didn't even
1:06:36do or you're saying I did something.
1:06:39Okay. Yeah, we understand.
1:06:41I mean, how would you guys like it if
1:06:42the tables were turned on you?
1:06:44I understand. No, I mean,
1:06:45No, that's what we're telling you. I
1:06:46mean, you're free to go whenever you
1:06:47want. If If this makes you uncomfortable
1:06:49and you want to you want to
1:06:50now you're starting to make me
1:06:51uncomfortable.
1:06:52The thing is, I mean, detectives did
1:06:54what they could at that time on the
1:06:55crime scene. Okay? And the burglary
1:06:57thing you're talking about, that is an
1:06:58angle that they looked at. I mean, but
1:07:01now we're looking at everything else on
1:07:02the case. Cuz nobody was ever arrested
1:07:04on the case. I
1:07:06I don't know that or not.
1:07:08Okay.
1:07:09Now, what we'd like to do is
1:07:12obviously you know about all the DNA
1:07:13stuff and things of the nature that you
1:07:15know gets done on cases nowadays.
1:07:17You know, if we asked you for a a DNA
1:07:19swab, would you be willing to give us
1:07:20one? Maybe.
1:07:23Cuz now now now
1:07:25Yes, because now
1:07:26Now I'm thinking I probably need to talk
1:07:28to a lawyer.
1:07:29Okay. I mean
1:07:31What? I cuz I know how this stuff works,
1:07:33okay? Don't get me wrong, you're right,
1:07:34I have been doing this long time. Yeah.
1:07:36And and I wish I had been recording this
1:07:37because because now it sounds like, you
1:07:40know, there's
1:07:42you know, you're selling these people
1:07:43saying I'm a fighting with her and now
1:07:45you sounds like you're trying to, you
1:07:46know,
1:07:47I've been doing this a long time.
1:07:48Yeah, we know.
1:07:49Okay. And and now it almost sounds like
1:07:51you're trying to pin something on me.
1:07:52Now I got that sense. Well, where it
1:07:54gets to on these on these cases and you
1:07:56know it as well as I do. Our job is to
1:07:58identify and eliminate suspects.
1:07:59I can't believe this. So, if we ask you
1:08:01to a point give us a DNA sample
1:08:04a few bucks swab so we can
1:08:07identify or eliminate you.
1:08:08Would you be willing to do that? Maybe.
1:08:11Cuz I know this I I I I That's where
1:08:14we're at too. I mean because
1:08:16right now from looking at the evidence
1:08:18it's, you know, it's possible we may
1:08:20have some DNA at the location.
1:08:22That's great. And
1:08:25we're going to do what we can to try to
1:08:26put this thing together.
1:08:28And your name's in the book. These
1:08:30people are pointing at you for whatever
1:08:32reason. I don't know why. That's just
1:08:34crazy. I mean that's just that's
1:08:36absolutely crazy. And
1:08:38it would be irresponsible on our part
1:08:40not to look at it.
1:08:41I know. Are you guys have to do your job
1:08:43and I guess I'm going to have to contact
1:08:44somebody. So. That's fair.
1:08:46I mean
1:08:47cuz I know how this stuff works. I mean
1:08:49I I I I I just can't believe it. That's
1:08:53I mean we we understand that. I mean if
1:08:55we were in your position, I mean we
1:08:56would feel the same way.
1:08:58I just can't even believe it.
1:09:00I mean it's just
1:09:02I mean I'm shocked. I'm really shocked
1:09:04that somebody would be blank saying that
1:09:05I did this. I mean, we had a fight and
1:09:07so I went and killed her. I mean, come
1:09:09on. Okay. That's
1:09:12Okay.
1:09:13All right. Well, thanks for giving me
1:09:14the courtesy of letting me know. Keep
1:09:16the recording on.
1:09:16Thanks for your time. Yeah, thank you.
1:09:18All right, Stephanie. Take care. All
1:09:20right.
1:09:48Everybody, thank you.
1:09:57crazy.
1:10:22I have
1:10:23too much to
1:11:23This is absolutely crazy. Let's see
1:11:25something.
1:11:28This is insane.
1:11:29Okay.
1:11:37Give me 1 second.
1:11:42Okay.
1:11:44Stephanie, you know you have the right
1:11:45to remain silent. Do you understand?
1:11:46Yes.
1:11:47Anything you say may be used against you
1:11:49in court. Do you understand?
1:11:50Yes. You have the right to the presence
1:11:52of an attorney before and during any
1:11:53questioning. Do you understand?
1:11:54Yes.
1:11:55If you cannot afford an attorney, one
1:11:56will be appointed for you free of charge
1:11:58before any questioning if you want. Do
1:12:00you understand? Yes.
1:12:01Do you want to talk to us right now? No.
1:12:05All right. Okay. This is crazy. Okay.
1:12:07This is absolutely
1:12:08I'm like I'm like in shock. I'm totally
1:12:10in shock.
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