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0:00obviously what this is uh
0:04i didn't want to bring this up in your
0:07squadron
0:09oh no it's fine i think we're good
0:21i don't want to talk about this in the
0:22squadron because i don't know who people
0:23are listening
0:24and if we go to my site everybody's
0:26always wondering what everybody else is
0:28okay but uh like we're talking about
0:31being business that
0:32we've been assigned a case that we've
0:33been looking at okay it's a new case and
0:35reviewing the case there's some notes
0:38and to see
0:39as far as your name being mentioned oh
0:41okay do you know john
0:43john john rutten
0:48oh yeah i went to school with him you
0:50did yeah how long did you know him
0:52gosh i went to school and um let's see
0:55went to ucla 1978 i started and
0:59um you know met him at school at the
1:03dorms
1:06were you guys friends close friends yeah
1:08we're very close friends yeah
1:09i mean what's this all about well it's
1:11regarding it's a case we're working on
1:13it involves john
1:14and in there some of the statements we
1:16reviewed
1:17uh you know there's notes and stuff that
1:19that he knew you and stuff oh yeah i
1:21mean
1:22good friends um lived in the dorms for
1:25i was in the dorms for two years um you
1:28guys lived in the same dorm
1:29yeah okay yeah dijkstra okay were you
1:32guys just friends or anything else
1:33or yeah we were good friends
1:37yeah was there any relationship or
1:38anything to develop between you guys
1:41yeah i mean we dated uh you know
1:44um i mean is it what's this all about
1:47well it's relating to uh his wife
1:51okay okay did you know her not really
1:55i mean i knew that he got married years
1:57ago uh-huh did you ever meet her
2:00god i don't know um do you know who she
2:03was or anything
2:04well i let me think god it's been a long
2:07time ago
2:08um um
2:11i may have met her um
2:14jeez you know yeah
2:18well let me see let me ask you you said
2:20you dated john how long did you guys
2:21date
2:24i mean why are you guys is this
2:26something
2:27i mean you said i was going to interview
2:29somebody about art and how you guys are
2:31here's i mean stephanie here's the
2:33situation it's basically
2:35we you know we knew that this when we
2:38saw this in the in
2:39in this chrono that maybe you know there
2:41was some relationship there that's what
2:42the chronos seem to indicate and we
2:43didn't want
2:44to come up to you at your desk and ask
2:46those kinds of questions or do anything
2:48you know how up there people can see
2:50what's going on if you go into an
2:51interview room or people are in there
2:52getting supplies
2:53so we wanted to afford you some privacy
2:56some confidentiality to talk about this
2:57because we thought it might be you know
2:59something you know you're married to
3:00someone else obviously and so forth and
3:02that you may not want to you know talk
3:04about these things in that setting where
3:05someone
3:05you know we don't want the rumor mill or
3:06gossip or anything that kind of stuff
3:08it's fine i mean
3:09so we we did this just as as a means to
3:11try and speak to you
3:12in a confidential place where you you
3:14know where where your business isn't out
3:15there for
3:16other people in your division you know
3:19that's been a million years ago i mean
3:21you know um
3:24what year is it now 2009 i mean i
3:26graduated in 82
3:2882 yeah um
3:32you know we dated um i dated other guys
3:35i'm sure he dated other girls um
3:38well let me ask you roughly how long
3:40would you would you say you guys did
3:42oh geez um
3:46i couldn't even say i mean i started
3:49school there in
3:5078 i started ucla set 1978
3:54i graduated in 82 um i don't
3:57even remember what year he graduated if
3:59it was a year or two before me
4:01okay um i think he was a little bit
4:03older than i was i mean you know i can't
4:05remember if he was born
4:06let's say i'm born in 60 1960 i don't
4:09know if he was born in 58 or 59 i mean i
4:12you know
4:13i mean i knew his parents i knew a
4:14sister his brother went to northridge
4:17um um you know sister
4:21spent the night at my house before
4:23obviously i spent the night at his house
4:24before he probably spent the night at my
4:26house before
4:27um you know i i yeah i don't
4:32correct me if i'm wrong because from
4:33what you're telling me you guys dated
4:35while you were in college together right
4:37yeah and probably after college
4:38um i can't
4:42jeez i'm trying to think when i met my
4:44husband i met my husband
4:46in scott um
4:49let's see i was teaching dare because i
4:52met scott when i was teaching deer up in
4:54oregon
4:54but we had long stopped you know
4:58dating before that so you haven't talked
5:00to him for a long time
5:02oh i i think i haven't talked to him in
5:03a long time um i couldn't even tell you
5:05when the last time i talked to him
5:07um i met scott i'm thinking in
5:1192 maybe um april of 92
5:14it was scott being your husband yeah i'm
5:16trying to think i was teaching
5:18dare let's see what year is this
5:21we'll be married i got married in 1996.
5:24i think i met scott in 92 prior to that
5:27i couldn't tell you how long i
5:29talked you know talked to john prior to
5:32that
5:32but since you since you met your husband
5:34scott you haven't talked to him
5:36i mean he may have called me uh once or
5:40twice
5:40before we got married right um you know
5:44geez i i lived i moved to see me in 1994
5:49because i lost my house in the
5:50earthquake um
5:52uh quite honestly i probably keep in
5:54contact with
5:56a few people from the dorms we we all we
5:58all lived on the 10th floor
6:00um and um
6:04there's
6:08about three or four people i keep in
6:10contact with there's probably like six
6:11or eight of us that were all really
6:13close
6:14who are those people oh geez um
6:17diana um
6:21the people i still keep i haven't been
6:23in contact with her in a long time
6:25um i mean what's
6:28what's i mean what's this all about i
6:30mean well let me ask you
6:32what did the relationship between you
6:33and john
6:35you know i don't it was kind of a weird
6:38relationship i mean
6:39we we we dated um i can't say that he
6:42was my boyfriend i don't know that he
6:44would
6:44have considered me his girlfriend um we
6:47just we dated
6:48we did things i played sports in college
6:50he played basketball
6:52his brother played basketball um
6:55we just you know it just
6:59didn't work out i mean i don't know what
7:00to tell you it was like i went out with
7:02the other guys
7:03um saw the guys they went on lots of
7:05vacations
7:07um you know and once you guys
7:10split were you guys still friends or
7:12kind of
7:13you know i mean friendly not friendly
7:17no i don't think it was not friendly i
7:19mean we were friendly um
7:20uh i know that we went to hawaii
7:24um at one point um another
7:28friend of mine who's actually dying
7:29right now uh
7:31was went to hawaii with us um at some
7:34point
7:35um remember roughly when that was oh
7:37geez um
7:39let me think um
7:43i have to check my pictures um or i'd
7:45say i'd ask greg but my friend greg is
7:47like dying of liver cancer right now
7:49um yeah i mean i you know
7:53and you were saying that um it's 2009
7:56now
7:56have you ever met his wife i may have
8:00do you know do you remember her name or
8:01anything or
8:03um
8:09or what she did for a living or where
8:11she worked or
8:12anything about her well i think she i'm
8:14going to say that i think she was a
8:15nurse
8:16um and i can't even remember how
8:20he said he met her yeah i mean i i yeah
8:24i mean it's been so long ago well let me
8:26ask you did you go to their wedding
8:27you know no i didn't go to their wedding
8:30um
8:30no i don't did not go to their wedding
8:33um
8:35i couldn't even tell you what year he
8:36got married i mean you know it's been a
8:38million years ago
8:39yeah remember if you ever talk to her
8:40because it seems like a lot of you who
8:41were
8:42at the school at ucla you guys kind of
8:44were friends during and after school so
8:47i don't know if you guys still
8:48associated afterwards when once he was
8:49married or anything
8:51with him yeah no i don't think so i mean
8:56i would say you know the the people that
8:59were on the dorm floor
9:01we'd have we did get togethers um
9:04there's probably like four or five i
9:06don't think he ever came um
9:08yeah i don't think no it was there was
9:10like it was mostly girls
9:13you know a girl named smita diane
9:16um there's another there's two dianes
9:20but the one diana i don't think she ever
9:21came i kind of lost contact with her
9:23we were good friends on the floor um
9:26yeah i mean i don't
9:28you know again i mean what you know
9:31i don't understand why you're talking
9:33about some guy dated a million years ago
9:34well do you know what happened to his
9:36wife
9:36yeah i know she got killed what did you
9:39hear about that
9:41i guess i saw a poster at work i'm sure
9:44i spoke to him about it
9:48i think i spoke to another friend of his
9:50about it
9:51um and how did how did you first learn
9:53about that
9:55jeez someone could have called me i
9:58could heard it at work
10:00um i think at one point there may have
10:03been a flyer or something
10:05i know a good friend of his um are you
10:06on the job back then will that happen
10:09yeah i think so yeah i'm sure i was on
10:10the job that's why i would have heard
10:12about it
10:12with the flyer um he had a good friend
10:15mike
10:16mike baldrick mike
10:19um
10:23anyways he may have lived in the dorms i
10:26don't remember if that's how i met him
10:28um i i may have talked to him i mean you
10:31know i don't remember how i heard i mean
10:33i don't even remember what year it was
10:35and you think you thought you said you
10:37thought his wife was a nurse you have
10:38any idea where she was working at the
10:39time or
10:40did he ever mention that to you was it a
10:43hospital or a doctor's office
10:44i'm sure he must have mentioned it now
10:46that you're bringing that up
10:47i think she worked at a hospital
10:49somewhere and yeah i may have met her at
10:51a hospital
10:52um i may have talked to her once or
10:54twice
10:57um
10:59you know being that you're kind of used
11:02to see
11:03uh john you know was it everything okay
11:06between you guys i mean there was never
11:08anything uncomfortable or anything
11:09between you and her um
11:13you know i don't know i mean it's god
11:15it's been so many years i mean
11:18uncomfortable i mean
11:22i can't even i can't even remember if we
11:24had a conversation i mean
11:26we may have i may have i may have seen
11:28her at his apart
11:29you know geez how many years ago is that
11:32i don't even know what year she
11:34you know got killed where was his
11:35apartment on roscoe
11:38okay yeah roscoe and um
11:41um east or west of the
11:44uh either east or west of de soto
11:47do you know where he moved after did he
11:49move after he got married or do you know
11:50or
11:54oh i'm sure he did did you know where he
11:57was living or
12:00somewhere in the valley did you ever
12:02visit him and
12:03his wife no no never went out you know
12:07get together dinners no
12:10no like i said his sister used to come
12:13over
12:13his sister had come to my place i knew
12:17i knew his brother because his brother
12:18played basketball at northridge
12:20um in fact i was just coming across some
12:22pictures that i just
12:23can't uh scan from um
12:27i take a lot of photos um like 10 000.
12:31and i just did a service where i scanned
12:34everything
12:35i mean i'd seen some pictures of his
12:36brother playing well you just put them
12:37all on your computer so you could have
12:38them accessible and oh yes with them
12:40well my partner is a big photo thing and
12:42he had a deal to scan
12:44so i spent a ton of time just scanning
12:48photos
12:48i mean i paid a company to do it um so
12:52i've got photos of
12:53i mean his brother his sister you know
12:5510 000 pictures
12:56oh yeah how long did that take them
12:59months
13:01now what do they do they put that on a
13:03i'm just curious myself
13:08no no there's like i think 11 dvds
13:11yeah i haven't i don't even have time
13:13it's a series of dvds that they put them
13:14on
13:15oh yeah oh okay yeah i mean i'm not that
13:17familiar with computer stuff so that's
13:18why i was asking
13:19like dvds oh okay so you know
13:22um i haven't had a chance to go through
13:24them i
13:25you could go through and pick which ones
13:27you don't want i don't have time to do
13:28that
13:29right you know so i saw like you said
13:30did i you know
13:32i don't think we ever socialized um
13:35you know uh he'd still call me um i
13:38can't say that i would i mean if he's
13:40married i don't know that i would have
13:41called him
13:41i mean maybe who knows i you know i
13:44don't know it's been a million years ago
13:46how long was john married before his
13:48wife died i couldn't i have no idea
13:50you have no idea and uh
13:54after his wife died did did you talk to
13:56him again or
13:57anything yeah i mean i did talk to him
14:00i talked to him probably his parents um
14:04probably some other friends um you know
14:09i'm sure i talked to him yeah um but you
14:12you don't
14:13you're not sure where he moved to after
14:14he got married no idea
14:17never went over to visit him or i don't
14:19think i mean i don't think so
14:20i mean um i don't know i don't i mean i
14:24don't think i did
14:26um i know he lived on roscoe for a long
14:29long time
14:31um
14:35i mean he i may know i mean he may have
14:37told me where they lived
14:38somewhere in the valley i mean he may
14:40have said i've lived over such and such
14:42but i
14:42i couldn't tell you specifically where
14:45but you don't remember specifically ever
14:46going over to visit him or visit them
14:48and where
14:49wherever he moved when he left roscoe i
14:51i
14:52honestly i don't know i don't think so
14:54but okay you know
14:56i don't want to say no i don't think so
14:57and then he says oh yeah she came over
14:59for something
15:00drop something off you know
15:03i'm i don't know so if you did go over
15:05there just be like a
15:06a quick thing like like you're saying
15:08drop something off or
15:09maybe um but you don't remember as far
15:12as like going there to
15:13have dinner or like a social anything at
15:16the house party
15:18well if you guys know something i i just
15:20i can't i don't know
15:21i don't think so i mean but
15:25after uh john's wife died and he said
15:28you
15:28may have been talking to him did your
15:30relationship
15:32start up again i would say no
15:35um again can you give me a year i mean
15:39this is like 2009.
15:41she died in 1986 yeah i think it was 86
15:441986.
15:45okay um like i said i'm i'm
15:49faintly remembering that um
15:52i went to hawaii with my friend greg
15:56greg and i got
15:56certified scuba diving um
16:00and i'm thinking that john met us there
16:03meaning greg and i
16:04um that could have been
16:08i got certified toward the end of
16:1388 or i mean 20 at 88 89
16:17um because i got recertified again
16:21and it had been like over 10
16:2510 years so i got re-certified my
16:27husband i got re-certified
16:29um and i'm pretty sure
16:33that john met us there again i have
16:36to tell you what year was i have to look
16:38at my pictures um
16:41you know and other than that i can't
16:44even say he may have called me you know
16:48my home i may have called him um
16:51i don't think he got together with our
16:54group
16:55um i don't think after his wife's desk
16:58uh
16:58even before i don't you know i
17:02we went to weddings together you know
17:05did you
17:05i got pictures i like i said i couldn't
17:07tell you years it's been
17:09a million years ago after he after he
17:12got
17:12uh married or whatever were you dating
17:14anybody
17:16in particular and that was what year
17:191986 you said i think he got married
17:21in around 85 86 something like that were
17:24you seeing anyone seriously or
17:26god i couldn't say
17:29um geez i'm trying to think i mean
17:33you know i dated a fireman um
17:37what was his name mike arndt um
17:40and i'm trying to think was he lafd or
17:42he was lafd
17:45trying to think when i went i probably
17:47met mike i went to devonshire
17:50let's see i left hollywood in 80 i
17:53worked hollywood 84
17:56to 85 i think and then i went to
17:58devonshire and that's when i met mike
18:01um and some other firemen
18:05and what the station next door no
18:07actually because i used to work
18:09hollywood so i just wonder if this is no
18:10no no it was in
18:11when i worked devonshire i met mike oh
18:13okay all right
18:15and i'm trying to think i went to
18:16demonstrate 85
18:18and i'm thinking that i would have
18:22met him probably some time shortly after
18:24i went to devonshire
18:26because i met him and his i actually met
18:28his buddies at a fire
18:30um and then mike and i dated
18:34you know just really kind of casually
18:38um and we remain very you may remain
18:42good friends
18:43um still in touch with him or
18:45unfortunately he passed away
18:46oh really he died in a um he had a car
18:49crash
18:50um he did uh race cars
18:53and um he went heading into a wall
18:57i couldn't tell you what year that was
18:59um but
19:00he passed away he was in a coma and they
19:02pulled the the blood right
19:03seems like anyway um
19:17casually um
19:21and we remain very we remain good
19:23friends
19:24um are you still in touch with him or
19:26unfortunately he passed away
19:27oh really he died in um he had a car
19:30crash
19:31um he did uh race cars
19:34and um he went heading into a wall
19:38i couldn't tell you what year that was
19:40um but
19:41he passed away he was in a coma and they
19:43pulled the the plug right
19:44seems like anyway um
19:48so you know i couldn't even tell you
19:51what
19:52what year i'm thinking i went to
19:53demonstrate 85 and i know i met the guys
19:55because
19:55it was kind of a funny incident of how i
19:57met them and that's how i remember
19:59it was sometime probably 85 right
20:03um you know if you specifically i don't
20:05even know if they'd remember the other
20:06two are now
20:07married to somebody else because i kind
20:08of
20:10all three i mean did you guys socialize
20:12like when you were out with mike did
20:14those guys
20:14come out with you too was it kind of
20:15like did you do stuff with his friends
20:18well um there were three there was two
20:19firemen eric and gary
20:22um i met them first then they introduced
20:24me to mike
20:25so that's how i met mike and my dated
20:28mike and i dated
20:29so um and not i wouldn't even say i
20:32couldn't even tell you for how long
20:34because then it would say we decided you
20:35know it wasn't working out and
20:37we'd be better friends and you know he
20:40introduced me i think
20:42to some other guy on that who now is on
20:44lapd
20:45um uh
20:48randy cordobis um
20:52he's a detective he's got a twin brother
20:54who's on the fire department that's how
20:56i met
20:56randy um because he had a twin brother
21:00identical twin on the fire department
21:02okay um
21:04and anyway i dated him
21:08when i couldn't tell you it was before
21:09he came on the job
21:11before randy came on the job yeah oh
21:13okay and that was
21:16um i thought i'm trying to remember
21:19if mike mike may have
21:24i'm trying to remember mike may have
21:26dated um
21:29a girl that he dated oh that sounds too
21:32weird
21:33um randy may have dated
21:36a gal that mike was dating and that and
21:40then mike
21:41randy broke up with that gal i couldn't
21:43even tell you the gal's name
21:45if i'm even thinking of the story right
21:47and then i started dating
21:48randy yeah i you know so
21:52again i mean not like i was a huge
21:55floozy or anything but
21:56no but you know i mean a lot of times
21:59right at least
22:00from my female partners that i've had
22:01you know it's hard dating
22:03guys that aren't involved in kind of our
22:05circle right because some a lot some
22:06guys are intimidated by you know
22:08women police officers and yeah randy was
22:10like an engineer at the time uh he was
22:12like a
22:13some kind of an engineer on a truck on a
22:15rig on a fire
22:16no no um an engineer um a professional
22:18engineer yeah
22:19i think he lost a job and then came on
22:21on the department i see
22:23so um getting back to some stuff
22:26as far as you recall after john's wife
22:28died
22:31did you start a relationship again with
22:33with john or
22:34dating casually or anything like that
22:38like i said he met greg and i in hawaii
22:42okay um
22:46that was something you guys kind of
22:47planned together like go as a group or
22:49you ran into him or no i i think that
22:53obviously i must have talked to him and
22:55i said hey
22:56i'm going to hawaii with my buddy greg
22:58we're we're school or
22:59we're scuba we just got certified scuba
23:01diving um
23:04uh we're going to be in hawaii hey if
23:05you want to come and join us come join
23:07us
23:07right and i i think that's what it was
23:09um
23:11i i may have asked some other people to
23:12as well um
23:15you know uh what island did we go to
23:20i think the big island in kauai he
23:22either met us on the big island or kauai
23:24i'm thinking of
23:26sk greg and i might have scuba dived a
23:28lot and on the big island
23:30as well as kauai i'm i i don't remember
23:33which island again i have to look at my
23:34pictures um
23:36i traveled a lot on my vacations i mean
23:39i was always gone for at least a month
23:42um and i would go places and i would
23:45either run into people or you know you
23:48know meet people
23:50um and greg this great we're talking
23:53about he was
23:55like someone you were dating or just a
23:58buddy no you know what i would i would
24:00say
24:01we started out um probably just buddies
24:05um and either i was with somebody or he
24:08was with somebody
24:09but it was all it was kind of like we
24:11ended up just kind of being like brother
24:12and sister
24:13um and maybe he wanted something more
24:16but
24:18you know it just it never you know
24:20worked out but we
24:21we did things together um you know i
24:24consider them
24:25i've probably known them
24:28let's say i've been on the job almost 26
24:30years
24:31i've probably known growing 23 24 years
24:34um does he still talk to him oh yeah
24:37he's dying
24:38liver cancer right now yeah yeah so
24:41um so you know i i consider him a good
24:44friend um
24:46you know um
24:50you know i don't know what to tell you
24:52on that um i mean when when you heard
24:54about
24:54uh john's wife being killed i mean what
24:57was your
24:58what was your reaction i mean we did you
25:00thought you heard about what through a
25:01friend or
25:02a bulletin or a friend or a bulletin um
25:05i obviously i mean i called they called
25:06the family
25:08um i i called maybe some of his friends
25:10that that that i knew and i mean
25:12obviously it shocked your fear
25:13if i heard it at work you know um which
25:16i may have i faintly remember
25:17a bulletin going around um
25:21either that or somebody called me i i
25:23don't said don't remember right um
25:25and then i called probably called his
25:27family um
25:28called uh i don't know initially
25:33i can't say if i initially spoke to him
25:34or not i honestly don't remember
25:36i may have said to somebody hey have him
25:39call me if he wants to talk
25:41and then he may have done that um
25:44you know um
25:48do you know what the circumstances were
25:50regarding her death
25:51um geez
25:54let me think back um
25:58geez i don't know if it was you know if
26:01it was a burglary or something
26:03uh yeah it's i mean it's been so many
26:05years i i mean i can faintly
26:07think that i may have saw a flyer may
26:10have had a picture on it
26:12you know i mean that's why i say
26:15if somebody had called me i may not have
26:18known what her last name was
26:19i may have i mean maybe if you told me i
26:21would remember it
26:23um
26:26shelly um sherry
26:30i know something maybe you know like i
26:33said it's been so many years and
26:35um from all the years as far as you can
26:37remember
26:38you don't you remember ever talking to
26:40her just
26:41well she i said earlier you know i'm i
26:44mean
26:45i may have you know i may have talked to
26:48her
26:48um it sound i you know
26:52you mentioned a hospital maybe you may
26:53have talked to her to hospital
26:56yeah um yeah i may have you know i'm i'm
26:59thinking back now you guys are bringing
27:01up all these whole memories no i kind of
27:03dust off the cup you know i mean
27:05um
27:09i'm thinking that because i mean we
27:12would date he would date other people i
27:14would date other people
27:15and i think you know
27:20at one point i mean he may have been
27:22dating her
27:23or i don't know maybe he was married i
27:25don't even remember
27:27and i'm like you know what why are you
27:28calling me if
27:30you're either dating her or living with
27:32her married her i because i honestly
27:33don't remember
27:34the time frame um and i'm like come on
27:36knock it off and i'm and now i'm
27:37thinking i put me
27:38i may have gone to and say hey you know
27:39what you know what
27:41is he dating you he's but he's bothering
27:43me um
27:44and so i'm thinking that we had a
27:46conversation about that um
27:49one or two maybe i you know
27:52it could have been three i don't want to
27:53say i had three conversations with her
27:55like i didn't go to work or if they're
27:57at their house or
27:59no i'm thinking that i'm you know he
28:01obviously must have told me where she
28:02worked
28:03i'm thinking it was a hospital somewhere
28:06in l.a
28:07and i just i mean i could have been
28:10again what year was that where was i
28:11working
28:14um
28:19you know i don't i don't i'm trying to
28:20think of where
28:22you when did you say they got married i
28:25don't know i think it was like
28:27in 85 or 86 or something like that
28:30yeah we we just kind of picked this up
28:33we you know don't
28:33know a lot about it
28:42i mean i could have been working in
28:43hollywood it sounds like if if that's
28:45where i was working
28:47um so i could have said okay well you
28:49know and i wouldn't talk to her
28:51um and just said hey you know what you
28:54know if he's dating you he's he's
28:56keeps calling me why don't you tell him
28:58to knock it off or whatever and
29:00no because i probably would have told
29:01him to knock it off who would have told
29:03john
29:03oh yeah i mean i would have said hey you
29:05know
29:07and again but you wanted to tell her to
29:09you wanted them both to know
29:11yeah i mean you know if you get you're
29:12getting called
29:14and i'm trying i'm faintly remembering
29:16uh
29:17when scott moved in with me in 1993
29:21sometime in 93 because i met scott in
29:25in in april 92 i was teaching deer up in
29:28oregon
29:29um and
29:33um he moved down
29:36in fact he may have moved down in 92 92
29:40or 93
29:40there was a big earthquake no when was a
29:42big earthquake no 94
29:4494 yeah so
29:47i think scott might have moved into 93
29:50sometime in 93.
29:53excuse me um i haven't had my breakfast
29:56yet
29:56um and so um
30:00excuse me um and so
30:04i faintly recall that john may have
30:06called a few times and i'm like hey you
30:08know
30:09i've got he goes look can you i think
30:11you can you talk or something like
30:12you know no i can't talk i've got you
30:14know i'm living with somebody right
30:16you know and and that could have been a
30:17few times it could have been once could
30:18have been twice could have three times
30:20yeah i don't know you know um that's
30:22during the period of time of the
30:24earthquake
30:24that you're well no probably probably
30:26after scott moved in
30:27i think i met scott in april of 92 oh
30:30okay right before
30:32april of 92 because i was t i stopped
30:34teaching dare
30:41i think i stopped teaching here sometime
30:42in 92.
30:44um and when you
30:47and when you say that you may have um
30:50you know that you
30:51talked to his wife said hey or you know
30:53i don't know if it was i guess it wasn't
30:54his wife at that time girlfriend or
30:55whatever and yeah i don't know if it was
30:56his wife
30:57i i mean quite honestly i don't even
30:59remember when you said like hey you know
31:01he's calling me he needs to knock it off
31:02or what have you i mean was that was
31:03that civil
31:10oh no there was not i don't think there
31:11was anything it was if the conversation
31:13lasted
31:14uh a few minutes i can't even remember
31:16and what is it like you know we went out
31:17to lunch or anything right but there was
31:19no like arguments or
31:20fights or you didn't get heated or
31:22anything like that not that i recall
31:23no i mean i would think that would stand
31:26out i would think now again
31:28that's not standing out in my mind um
31:31you know so you didn't have any problems
31:35with her then
31:36you don't have any issues with her no i
31:37mean but let me let me ask you
31:40seems like you didn't have any issue now
31:42did she have an issue with you as far as
31:44because now you you're telling her hey
31:47you know how to stop calling
31:48you know she's like you know she figured
31:50she'd be threatened by you
31:52you know i've i don't know i mean from
31:55what you remember as far as when you
31:56talk to her maybe
31:58you didn't take it as serious but maybe
32:00you know did she
32:01she was bothering me like was she
32:02throwing things at me or something or
32:04not just
32:04you know as far as you're trying to
32:06explain like hey have them stop calling
32:08me you know
32:08stop playing games you know what i i
32:10tell you
32:12if the conversation i couldn't even tell
32:13you how long the conversation if you
32:15said
32:15did it last a half an hour did it last
32:17three minutes to the last 20 minutes
32:19i can't even remember it's been so long
32:21ago you know
32:22um you just remember talking to her
32:24telling you and that's why you said how
32:25many times you talk to her
32:26i don't know how many times i talked to
32:27her maybe it was once maybe it was twice
32:29and even three times
32:30you know i i honestly don't know um
32:33i don't know what year it was um if you
32:36if he said
32:37i met her in such and such a year i'd go
32:39okay well i don't even know what
32:41year you met her um i graduated from
32:44uc in 1982 okay
32:47i graduated 82 like i said i don't know
32:50if he graduated
32:51i know he was a little older than i was
32:54so i don't know if he graduated a year
32:55before or two years before because
32:57people are on different
32:58um either on the four-year program or
33:00the five-year program
33:01um where did you come on the job 83
33:06oh so almost pretty much immediately
33:07after you got out of school
33:10yeah i worked at a law firm for a year
33:12um
33:14and then came on the job but in any way
33:17in regards to seeing him not seeing him
33:20we went to friends weddings that were
33:22you know from ucla um i may have gone to
33:26some of his friend's weddings from
33:28where he worked um he may have gone to
33:30things with me
33:31you know um
33:35you know i mean i i don't know how many
33:37times we went to do things you know
33:39or didn't do things right like i said
33:42his sister
33:43um i know his sister uh
33:47his brother his sister i know stayed at
33:49my town house a number of times i
33:53couldn't tell you how many times
33:54right um i would watch his brother you
33:57know
33:57i should take pictures at a basketball
34:00game or two where was your townhouse at
34:02in granada hills uh below the odyssey
34:07i don't know oh i'm sorry the 405 and
34:09the five
34:10um the four or five the four or five
34:13turns into five the 118.
34:14um they they came down in the earthquake
34:17okay
34:18so okay and you're saying
34:21when you went to see her do you would
34:24you remember phil's at
34:25her house or at the place she worked at
34:30no i'm thinking that i'm thinking it was
34:32probably
34:34for some reason i want to say that the
34:36hospital seemed
34:37that you know if you say he got married
34:39in 85 or something
34:42i'm thinking that you know maybe the
34:44hospital was on my way to work in
34:45hollywood
34:47i mean that's kind of sounding familiar
34:49um
34:51would you have gone on duty oh no i'm
34:54sure i wouldn't if i
34:55no i'm i'm pretty good about not doing
34:57stuff you know i mean
34:58now i'm not saying that you know you
35:00haven't done stuff on duty
35:02but i i i would have i mean i would have
35:04been working with somebody
35:05okay you know so i wouldn't i wouldn't
35:08think i mean i try to avoid doing stuff
35:10on duty
35:11so so you would have gone it was enroute
35:14to work you
35:15more likely would have gone to her work
35:17and had this discussion with her
35:19i mean that's sounding familiar i mean
35:21that's now that you guys are bringing
35:22this stuff
35:23up um i mean it sound that sounds
35:25familiar
35:26um but again i mean you know i
35:30what's i mean what's this got to do with
35:31me dating him and you know
35:33her getting killed i mean i i don't you
35:35know i don't have anything to do with it
35:37and
35:38you got something that's somebody said
35:40you know whatever
35:41i mean well like we said we just
35:43literally got this the other day and and
35:45you're going through it
35:46yeah and you see nick's next door get
35:49some background we're trying to figure
35:50this out i mean this is from a long time
35:51ago oh i know
35:52you know and and things have been kind
35:54of slow for us and so you know chief
35:56beck has said hey you know i want you
35:57guys working i don't want you just
35:58sitting around reading the paper
35:59yeah so he's kind of pushing some older
36:01cases out even to the guys that work
36:03active cases because you know and so we
36:04see this and we're just like oh
36:06you know we want to talk to you about it
36:07but of course the only reason we did it
36:08here is because we're getting into some
36:10pretty personal stuff in your
36:11relationship
36:12my husband's on the job you know we
36:14don't want to take the risk
36:15we don't want to take the risk in one of
36:16those interview rooms when the door
36:18closed someone's going to get supplies
36:19and see us on a monitor here's or
36:20whatever
36:21i appreciate it i mean i know [ __ ] like
36:23i said that's where people go when
36:24there's orals you know when they're
36:24doing orals you guys will go in there
36:26and try and watch it like
36:26what are the answers to the questions
36:28you know that yeah so so we just we just
36:30want to afford you the most
36:31privacy and confidentiality we could i
36:33appreciate like i said i mean
36:35this goes way back and i mean it was
36:37very sad
36:38you know obviously um
36:41i i haven't i you know i when we were in
36:44college
36:46some of us would go down to his house in
36:47san diego i went down his house with him
36:50you know um with with him and i know i
36:53i'm trying to think of some other people
36:54that may have gone down is that where he
36:55grew up is down there
36:56yeah down in san diego oh okay i know
36:58his dad was a professor at
37:00san diego state i don't know if he still
37:02is um
37:04i don't know what happened to his sister
37:06don't know what happened to his brother
37:08um you know i'm sure his dad's probably
37:11retired by now
37:13he was i think older um even back then
37:16right um and i i can't even tell you the
37:20last time i had any contact with any of
37:22them it's been so long
37:24did he tell you what happened like what
37:25he heard from the detectives or the
37:26police or
37:29you know what he may have um
37:33for some reason i'm thinking that
37:37i mean again this is like
37:43drugs or something i mean i think i
37:46faintly remember him
37:48mentioning something maybe about cocaine
37:51um that she was involved with that you
37:54know i don't know that he said she was
37:56involved or they thought you
37:58you know again it's been so long i you
38:00know he could have mentioned
38:01he could have told me the whole story of
38:03what happened and
38:05i mean like i said i'm faintly remember
38:06even between him or the flyer
38:09um that there was some kind of a
38:12burglary
38:13um you know
38:16let me ask did the detectives ever reach
38:18out to you ever
38:20no no one's ever talked to me i don't
38:21think anybody ever talked to me about
38:23about him um it seems like you know well
38:26i i take
38:29i'm thinking that i did talk to a
38:31detective
38:33um god
38:36well what division was it in van nuys
38:42and where was i working um
38:461986 i would have been working
38:48devonshire
38:52you know i'm thinking that i did speak
38:53to somebody oh really
38:55i couldn't tell you who it was because
38:58it doesn't it doesn't say probably
38:59on the phone um would have been
39:02somebody in regards to this or just yeah
39:06yeah um i don't even know if you said a
39:09name if i would remember it because i
39:11worked van nuys for a while um
39:14yeah i worked um no we're detectives
39:17um when did i go to van nuys
39:22i worked devonshire until 88 then i went
39:25to dare to 92
39:28i worked twice at van nuys
39:32detective yeah
39:37sometime in the 90s um
39:43yeah i i know before i busted my leg up
39:46i was there in 98 because that year
39:49sticks out because i had a really bad
39:50leg injury
39:52um and i was there prior to that but
39:55i couldn't tell you what year it was
39:57just a few years i made detective i
39:58think in
40:0093 93
40:04so um i was at van nuys
40:08and then i went back and then i had a
40:09leg injury and then they transferred me
40:10to demonstrate because i couldn't drive
40:13i couldn't drive very far with the my
40:15bad leg injury
40:16so um but yeah i i i think i talked to
40:20somebody
40:22um would you remember any of the
40:24conversation as far as
40:26what they were looking for i couldn't
40:29say
40:29i mean they may have told me i said hey
40:31you know i went to school with him
40:34um i either somebody called me or i saw
40:37the fly i may have seen the flyer
40:39at that point and i called up if if
40:41someone's name was on the flyer i may
40:42have called to speak to them
40:44i said hey if there's anything i can do
40:46you know um
40:48call me this is where i work you know i
40:50went to us
40:51you know uh school with them um
40:56couldn't say i couldn't tell you who it
40:58was
40:59but you do remember that that someone
41:01you think reached out to you
41:04you mean a detective yeah called you up
41:06and talked to you
41:07or i called them one of the two but yeah
41:10i
41:10you know i remember talking to somebody
41:13but
41:15i'm thinking it was a man i'm sure
41:17there's probably more men back then
41:21um so again that's
41:24i mean that's not really all i can
41:26remember about that
41:28yeah let me get back to
41:32as far as when you said that uh john was
41:35calling you to
41:36to see you and during that time you felt
41:39that he was
41:40felt he was either seeing her was he
41:42engaged or married did you know
41:44couldn't say i remember you know i don't
41:47know
41:48um let's see my husband
41:51did he ever appreciate well no no that
41:53would have been scott moved into 93.
41:56so that would have been you said 86 or
41:5885 or something scott's your only
42:00husband
42:00you've never been married no i've never
42:02been i got married in i think 96. when i
42:04i know i got married in 96
42:06but he moved in in 93.
42:09but uh during that time that you were
42:12seeing john
42:13uh you know was he acting kind of you
42:15know kind of squirrely or kind of
42:16sneaking around
42:17when he'd hook up with you or anything
42:19like that to make you think hey you mean
42:21yeah
42:22he probably was i mean i mean because
42:25from the impression i get it you've
42:26known him a long time well let's see
42:29i met him in 78. no i yeah i met him in
42:32school i started ucla in 78.
42:35um you know him well
42:38during that period of time yeah i mean
42:40was he acting squirrely
42:43you know i don't even remember where he
42:45was living then
42:47you know i well i know well let me ask
42:50you after he
42:51hooked up with uh he was living on
42:53roscoe or wherever else he was living
42:55right well after he hooked up with uh
42:58with sherry
42:59do you know uh where they were living
43:02no you asked me that already and i said
43:05well obviously you were living in van
43:06nuys division
43:07yeah um
43:10i may have known i mean i you know again
43:13i
43:14you know did he ever give me the address
43:16maybe
43:18you know i don't remember i mean i don't
43:19know
43:21because the only reason i'm asking you
43:23again is because we've been talking i
43:24know some stuff has come to you because
43:26you're like oh
43:27you know so that's why i'm asking if
43:30you've ever been to the house and when
43:31you said van eyes division
43:34you know i'm just
43:40i'm sure he could have told me i mean he
43:41could have told me he could have told me
43:43where he lived
43:44um
43:47do you ever have gone there i don't
43:50think i've ever gone there i'm saying i
43:52don't
43:53i don't want to say no i've never gone
43:54there and then you say oh i was at a
43:56party
43:57because i i don't you know i don't think
43:59so
44:00yeah um like i said we've got these
44:02friends we have different we have
44:04parties
44:05um my house their house
44:09i i just don't think john ever came to
44:12again you know at one point because we
44:15we knew
44:16people from school together i knew
44:18different people he knew different
44:20people
44:20i knew people that he knew from his work
44:22um
44:24you know that lived in the valley um
44:28you know so as far as for social events
44:31or anything
44:32i mean it's i mean you're not sure if
44:35you've ever been to the house because
44:41but it's safe to say that would have
44:42been the only time like for something
44:44social
44:46yeah if i went there for something
44:47social yeah i mean
44:49because i know you you went to talk to
44:51her at the hospital
44:54uh regarding this issue with john to you
44:57know kind of like
44:58hey you know what's going to happen here
44:59with this thing but would this ever have
45:02followed up to her house when you went
45:03to talk to her to say hey
45:04you know what i i don't even know that i
45:07knew where they lived
45:08i you know that's what i'm saying i
45:10don't if i knew where they lived and i'd
45:12been there
45:12if it was for something social i'd i
45:15would
45:15i'm and i can't see how many times i i
45:18saw her face to face
45:19you know he lived on roscoe did i ever
45:21see her there i don't know
45:24i mean i may have seen her at his
45:25apartment on roscoe
45:28i may have met her there you know i mean
45:32but you didn't have any issues with her
45:34right no i mean
45:36you know obviously if he was dating me
45:38and dating her i
45:40probably said hey pick or something you
45:41know back then um i can't say that we
45:47ever screamed or yeah you know it's i
45:50mean he was a pretty mellow guy
45:52you know um i think i was pretty mellow
45:55i don't
45:56i don't think we had some big huge blow
45:58up to say
45:59you know why we stopped dating or you
46:01know and i even think that when i was
46:04dating him i was probably
46:05like i said i was probably going out
46:06with other guys and he was probably
46:08going out
46:08with other girls right you know i don't
46:10know i mean would you remember if she
46:13snapped on you and just like hey man
46:15it's my man you know you get
46:16leave them alone you know blah blah blah
46:18that kind of stuff
46:19you know and would you remember an
46:22incident like that i mean because that
46:23would be like what
46:25well you know and maybe that happened i
46:27mean
46:29gosh you know it's been so long ago i
46:33you know i just i mean that's not
46:35ringing a bell
46:37um because the times i've seen you
46:39around in our office
46:40i'm crazy but you're always kind of like
46:42real
46:44i mean you seem kind of bubbly oh i'm pr
46:46i'm you know people think i'm
46:47really hyper um but i can i mean i can
46:50get
46:51i can get upset you know and and then i
46:53forget five seconds later you know
46:55you know how guys rash you and you go ah
46:58you know
46:59um i mean i've done that in the office
47:01you know but it's like
47:02and then i'm you know and then i'm you
47:05know
47:07you know i mean water under the bridge
47:08yeah i mean it's like people think i'm
47:10crazy and then
47:11they think i'm crazy at home and i'm you
47:13know more i'm i'm a hyper person at work
47:15i'm
47:16you know i i enjoy my job i get excited
47:18i you know
47:19um i enjoy the job i've always enjoyed
47:23the job
47:24um you got a good gig so you know
47:27um so you know i
47:30i you know i don't know it's like like i
47:32said this stuff's been so long ago
47:34um you know i'm sure as soon as i walk
47:36out here i'll go oh shoot i
47:38did 25 things i'll remember um you know
47:41but you'll call us sir i mean you'll
47:42just come over our desks yeah i mean i i
47:45don't know what else you need to know
47:46like i said
47:46you know we knew friends together a lot
47:49of the friends that
47:50you know that we socialized in the dorms
47:53i would say
47:54i mean there was a group of us that
47:57um we were all really close i mean even
47:59this one guy was thinking of you know
48:01diana basta we were all really close
48:04i haven't talked to her in a million
48:06years um diana best of being a friend of
48:09you and john's or
48:10yeah we all lived on the dorms on the
48:12dorms together
48:13i don't know if she lived on the same we
48:15i'm trying to think i think
48:16i know john lived on our floor because
48:18his roommate was dave newman
48:20dave newman now is a big huge big shot
48:23whatever movie producer director
48:26something i don't know
48:27um and that was john's roommate yeah and
48:29then the guys that lived across from me
48:32um jim jaskell and roy
48:36suckaboo suckaboo something like that um
48:38they lived across from me
48:40um diana basta
48:44i don't know if she lived on our floor
48:45maybe she was the r.a
48:48um diane sherman
48:51because i still remain friends with
48:52diane sherman
48:54not that i'm not friends with the other
48:56people i just don't see him um
48:59a girl named smita um
49:02sally kathleen
49:06you know so we were all on the floor i
49:09mean some of them were athletes some of
49:11them weren't
49:11you know i said john played basketball
49:13as brother played basketball i played
49:14basketball at ucla for two years
49:16um one of the girls swam on the team one
49:19was on the crew team
49:20so we all did stuff together um and then
49:22i'd say after we all graduated
49:25we went to weddings you know i went to
49:26weddings um
49:28uh but sherry wasn't part of this circle
49:33no i don't even know how he how he met
49:35her i don't even know where
49:36i mean i don't know where he met her
49:37from i don't even know he told me where
49:39he met her from i mean he may have told
49:40me i
49:41you know that's not ringing a bell um
49:45and there was lots i mean you know
49:47there's there was other people that knew
49:50other people
49:51um you know that were friends of
49:53everybody's
49:54um you know
49:58um i mean i don't know what else to tell
50:00you well one of the concerns i have is
50:02looking at some of the notes is uh some
50:04of sherry's friends said
50:06that you and her were having a problem
50:10because of the john situation
50:15well number one i don't know who her
50:17friends are
50:19um because again i don't i don't recall
50:22if he did tell me where he met her
50:25i don't know who these friends are a
50:27problem
50:28like i said if i spoke to her i mean
50:31i'll go on as far as the lim
50:33and i don't want to say i spoke to her
50:34five times because that's probably
50:36not even true i i can't even remember um
50:40again did i meet him at her plate when
50:42he lived on roscoe for i think
50:45quite a while but i couldn't tell you
50:46how long he lived in roscoe and the only
50:48reason i remember the place now is
50:49because it's like a
50:50huge dope dope place now where they you
50:53know it may have been back then but
50:55you know maybe we didn't know back then
50:57um
50:58i could have met her there i could have
51:00you know
51:03you know i don't even know that i met
51:05any of their friends i i
51:08i don't i i can't say that i don't know
51:10that that's a true statement
51:12well that's what i'm reading is that you
51:14guys have problems with each other and
51:16words are being exchanged and it's all
51:17relating to
51:19john you know what i
51:23i i i just i can't say you can't say no
51:26i that doesn't even ring a bell i mean i
51:28mean it seems like yeah you would recall
51:30something if
51:31somebody's going off on you right i
51:33think i mean
51:34i would think i would think yeah
51:37because it's but that i've you know
51:40it seems like your relationship with
51:41john was
51:43kind of i mean you've known each other
51:46for a lot of years
51:47yeah it was just kind of it was like
51:51but it doesn't seem to me from what
51:52you're telling me i mean we were never
51:53engaged
51:54i mean it wasn't like we were planning
51:56to get married um you know it was like
51:59it was
52:02i don't know how to describe it i mean
52:04would you say there wasn't a lot of
52:05drama in this
52:06relationship oh no i don't think there
52:08was drama yeah i mean
52:10that's why i'm asking as far as what the
52:11friends are saying in regards to
52:14this you know the problems that they're
52:16saying you were having with with sherry
52:18i mean it seems like the relationship is
52:20just going on even playing
52:22that just uh i i i don't have a
52:24recollection of that at all no
52:25no and because from what you're telling
52:28me is when you guys met at the hospital
52:31uh i mean you guys talk but it wasn't
52:33from what you recall confrontational
52:36from either side i i mean
52:39i'm trying to you know turn my memory
52:41back you know
52:43and i'm trying i can't even i can't even
52:44picture the you know
52:46picture the the conversation i mean i
52:48can't even picture the conversation well
52:50let me ask you i mean at the hospital it
52:51never got to the point where people are
52:52going hey hey you know
52:54go to everybody go to your own corner
52:56type of thing i don't think so
52:58nothing like that i don't think so i
53:00mean i really don't i mean if you
53:01you know if you say people said that
53:03that's not ringing a bell to me at all i
53:05mean it's not i mean that that's not
53:07ringing a bell
53:08was there a time when you and sherry
53:10were talking and john had to maybe go
53:12like hey you guys
53:13relax you know or anything like that i
53:16think so
53:18about you know ever going to her house
53:20and having a dispute like that
53:23you know i'm just
53:26if i met her ever at his apartment maybe
53:29i mean maybe we could have met i could
53:31have met at her apartment
53:33i'm thinking that the hospital thing
53:36that sounds familiar that i met her
53:38there
53:41i just can't say that i've ever again
53:44was i there with other people
53:46i don't i i i don't know um
53:49i don't think i ever met her there or
53:52him there
53:53um meaning one or the other
53:56i don't think so i will i just i can't
54:00i don't think so because i mean i know
54:01the way my wife is
54:03at our house she wouldn't want my own
54:04girlfriends there you know so i don't
54:06know if
54:07maybe she had the same mentality towards
54:09you if
54:10as far as you ever been there or being
54:12welcome there you know
54:14you know what if somebody said i was
54:16there when they were there then that's
54:18possible
54:18but i just i i don't recall i mean i
54:21don't think so i don't
54:23i it's not sounding familiar yeah
54:25because i guess basically what i'm
54:26asking is you know were you ever welcome
54:28to the house like you know hey
54:29oh come over yeah come on over having a
54:31barbecue you know
54:34a dinner party christmas party whatever
54:37i don't know
54:39i'm just trying to think
54:42you know like i said because there were
54:44so many of us that
54:46the two dianes jim jaskal roy
54:50um smita the scalp smita another friend
54:53of ours beth i'm
54:55she a pat seems like everybody i know
54:57passes passing away
54:58um she passed away she was a child
55:00diabetic and and got very ill
55:03um we would all socialize um like i said
55:06i don't think
55:07john evers it's heart i don't wanna say
55:09he never socialized with us
55:12um you know
55:15it's been i'd have to go almost go back
55:16and look at pictures because i take
55:18pictures i mean
55:19i usually when i have i go to functions
55:22i have 10 000 pictures
55:23okay i'm a picture nut
55:25[Music]
55:27let me ask when you were seeing john
55:29would you
55:30i think he would pick you up in his car
55:32you go on her you know your car
55:34things of that nature and you guys would
55:36go out
55:38yeah i mean do you remember what he what
55:39he drove
55:43well i know at one time he drove either
55:45a 240 or 260z
55:48any other cars that stand out in your
55:50[Music]
56:00mind
56:02i don't know how long you drove that 240
56:04or 260z for
56:06um and the only reason i say that is
56:07because i think
56:09i may have a picture of it um with him
56:12in it
56:13um what kind of car did you have back
56:16then
56:18let's see what year or are you like one
56:21of those young cops
56:22like oh i got a paycheck and bought a
56:23new car no no i've only had like a few
56:26cars in my whole life
56:27so what'd you have when you came on the
56:28job
56:32okay well my first car was a 68 chevelle
56:3768 chevelle
56:40and then i had a
56:44toyota
56:49some kind of a toyota um
56:53hatchback but i forget what the name of
56:55it was
56:56um like a corolla or tercel or tercel
57:00something like that herself yeah and
57:01then i had my truck
57:04do you ever have any problems with your
57:05cars
57:08like what just anything in general car
57:11wrecks
57:14no my car's never been stolen oh no
57:16crashed
57:18hit and run um
57:25i mean my tercel was hitting around
57:26again i got i got pictures of the hit
57:28and runs um
57:30and i don't think i knew my cars had
57:31never been stolen no
57:33my cars haven't been stolen
57:37broken into um none of that huh
57:41oh yeah my cars have been broken into
57:44um you know
57:48but no cars have ever been stolen
57:53hold on well when tell me about this uh
57:55card getting broken into
57:57well my car had been broken into several
57:59times oh really
58:01you ever lose anything or yeah
58:05now did you mention it let's see
58:10i had a gun that was stolen uh i had
58:13other stuff that was stolen
58:14not your duty was it no
58:18um has it ever recovered i don't no
58:22no i don't think so not that i know of
58:24never been notified
58:25no the car's been broken into
58:28yeah several times where did that happen
58:31when your gun was taken
58:37trying to remember
58:41i'm sure you guys must know um
58:45because my car was broken into inventura
58:51i think in santa monica i have relatives
58:53that live in santa monica and venice
58:56um who lives there my uncle well i had
58:59several uncles um
59:04yeah could have been santa monica um
59:07venice my my car's been broken into
59:10inventura before
59:12so is your mom still around her
59:15mm-hmm yeah my dad yeah
59:18but i don't really have much of a
59:20relationship with my dad
59:23so i can tell you where he lives if
59:25you're you want to know
59:26oh really no yeah well
59:32[Music]
59:33like i said as we were looking at the
59:34case and you know we had read the notes
59:36as far as from
59:38uh sherry's friends saying
59:41you you guys had problems or words they
59:44got heated
59:46you know the reason we're asking is they
59:48had mentioned that an incident
59:49at her work had occurred and they've
59:52also told us that an incident at her
59:53house occurred
59:57you know what and this is at her house
59:59during the period of time that they're
1:00:01married
1:00:04that's just not sounding familiar at all
1:00:06i mean i you know what
1:00:08i that's just not
1:00:11again if someone says that i was at her
1:00:13house and i had an incident with her
1:00:17you know i that just doesn't sound i i i
1:00:20you know was john there did john say
1:00:21this happened because
1:00:23and other people were there i just i
1:00:25don't recall
1:00:26i mean it just doesn't sound you know
1:00:29familiar and this is an incident
1:00:30where you showed up you weren't supposed
1:00:33to show up
1:00:35and things got heated at his house
1:00:42that i you know i that just doesn't
1:00:44sound familiar i mean
1:00:46i you know it's not sounding familiar
1:00:50not at all no you're saying not familiar
1:00:51because it's just don't you remember or
1:00:54just you know what i would have then i'd
1:00:55have to say i don't remember
1:00:57because i don't remember i mean that
1:00:58doesn't sound familiar i
1:01:01i mean would you remember something like
1:01:02that in your life if well i would think
1:01:04like sort of drama involving you know
1:01:07the other woman type of thing did your
1:01:09fight with her
1:01:10you mean like we fought yeah did you
1:01:12ever duke it out with her
1:01:14no i don't think so i mean you'd
1:01:16remember that right that would be pretty
1:01:18yeah i would think so pretty specific
1:01:21yeah like i said i mean obviously
1:01:24i you know i mean it just doesn't sound
1:01:27familiar
1:01:29i mean i mean what are they saying so i
1:01:31i fought with her so
1:01:32so now i mean i get getting the jump
1:01:36the leap excuse me i haven't eaten um
1:01:39they're saying okay i fought with her so
1:01:41i must have killed her i mean come on i
1:01:43mean
1:01:44that's you know i i i don't even know
1:01:47who these people are i
1:01:49can't even say i met any of these people
1:01:50i mean that's it's insane
1:01:52i i if it happened i honestly don't
1:01:55remember it
1:01:57that's all i can tell you i mean i mean
1:01:59but
1:02:00i don't know would it be something you
1:02:02would remember i mean because it's
1:02:03i don't know if any other intense
1:02:06incidents in your life
1:02:07that have occurred i mean you'd recall
1:02:08those right i mean well
1:02:11like a useful force at work or a car
1:02:13crash something you're involved in you'd
1:02:14be like yeah
1:02:15you would think i would remember i mean
1:02:17i would think if it was something that
1:02:19crazy
1:02:19i mean i i can't say you say how many
1:02:22fights have you gotten into you know
1:02:24in your life you know i mean a few at
1:02:27work
1:02:28well fights at work are kind of
1:02:29different because we've all had uses of
1:02:30force or whatever but
1:02:31i didn't even have even a lot of those
1:02:33right but you know if you're if you're
1:02:35actually you know
1:02:36i mean i played like if if dan and i got
1:02:37mad at each other and we threw blows in
1:02:39the squad room i mean 20 years later
1:02:41i would remember it i mean i would think
1:02:43i would remember
1:02:44that's what i'm saying that's not
1:02:45sounding familiar to me at all
1:02:48i mean let me ask you i mean throughout
1:02:50your life
1:02:53you know would you remember the number
1:02:55of fights you've been involved in
1:02:57and i don't mean kind of like a bump or
1:02:58something just a physical fight were you
1:03:02everybody's hitting each other
1:03:03scratching pulling you know whatever
1:03:06maybe i mean i can't say i've been in a
1:03:08lot
1:03:09you know i played sports yeah you know
1:03:11you get into scuffles there and
1:03:14um and you recall some of those right
1:03:16let me just
1:03:17yeah i can recall some of them yeah
1:03:19games getting captured but like i said
1:03:21this you saying this
1:03:22this is just not ringing a bell i mean
1:03:25but you know
1:03:26i don't know what to tell you it's it's
1:03:28just that's just not ringing a bell to
1:03:29me
1:03:30would it be something i would think i
1:03:32would remember
1:03:33yeah i mean i'm not if you're into how
1:03:36do you think so too if you're in this
1:03:37other girl's house and
1:03:38but towards your exchange i mean you
1:03:39figured you recall
1:03:41i would think especially if they got
1:03:43physical right
1:03:44well i would think and it's relating to
1:03:48you know a guy that you were dating and
1:03:50she's dating now you know and it's just
1:03:52like a whole love triangle type of thing
1:03:54i mean you figured you'd remember that
1:03:56right
1:03:56well i would sink
1:04:00so and man i want to
1:04:03tell you yeah no because i'm i mean i'm
1:04:06trying to
1:04:07i'm looking at the notes and these
1:04:08people are kind of
1:04:10i mean they're pointing the finger at
1:04:11you well
1:04:14i mean that's not ringing a bell to me
1:04:17so
1:04:18you know i don't know you know it's
1:04:21i i don't know what to tell you i mean
1:04:24that just sounds crazy to me
1:04:26yeah so you off hand you don't recall
1:04:28ever going into her house and
1:04:29having words and physically you know
1:04:33no attacking her her attacking you no
1:04:36nothing like that no i mean that's snow
1:04:40no no not at all
1:04:43okay well on some of the
1:04:47uh on this case you know this is
1:04:50occurred in 186 right uh detectives
1:04:54processed the scene
1:04:55things of that nature uh they did
1:04:58fingerprints and all that stuff you know
1:04:59well you know the standard you've been
1:05:01doing this longer than i have
1:05:03uh well about that i get 26 years on
1:05:07going on 26th 19th so
1:05:10but you know as they processed
1:05:13everything
1:05:14they did the best they could at that
1:05:15time and they looked at a lot of a lot
1:05:16of people and
1:05:17different things in this case and you're
1:05:20right i mean if you guys are claiming
1:05:21that i'm a suspect
1:05:22then you know i i got a problem with you
1:05:24know with that
1:05:25okay okay so you know
1:05:28if you're if you're doing this as an
1:05:30interrogation you're saying hey
1:05:31i'm a suspect well now i got a problem
1:05:33with you know now you're accusing me of
1:05:35this
1:05:36is that what you're is that what you're
1:05:37saying we're trying to figure out what
1:05:40happened
1:05:40stephanie uh well i'm i was you know
1:05:43i'm just saying you know do i need to
1:05:47get a lawyer if you're accusing me of
1:05:49you know you don't have to i mean you
1:05:51know i'm just you're here of your own
1:05:52free will
1:05:53i know but you know you're not under
1:05:55arrest you can walk out you can leave
1:05:56whenever you like
1:05:57well you know i'm trying to give you
1:05:59some background of you know
1:06:00how i knew him and now you're telling me
1:06:03that some
1:06:04somebody's saying that we had this big
1:06:06old fight and i don't even know what
1:06:07you're talking about
1:06:09um you know and i don't want to you know
1:06:11get in trouble for something that i
1:06:12didn't even do
1:06:13or you're saying i did something okay
1:06:16we understand i mean how would you guys
1:06:18like it if the tables were turned on you
1:06:20i understand no um oh that's what we're
1:06:23telling you i mean you're free to go
1:06:24whenever you want if if this makes you
1:06:25uncomfortable and you want to
1:06:26now you're starting to make me
1:06:28uncomfortable the thing is i mean
1:06:30detectives did what they could at that
1:06:32time on the crime scene okay and the
1:06:33burglary thing you're talking about that
1:06:35is an angle that they looked at
1:06:37i go but now we're looking at everything
1:06:38else on the case because nobody was ever
1:06:40arrested on the case
1:06:42i i don't know that or not okay
1:06:46now what we'd like to do is obviously
1:06:49you know about all the dna stuff and
1:06:50things of the nature that you know
1:06:52gets done on cases nowadays you know if
1:06:54we asked you for a dna swab would you be
1:06:56willing to give us one
1:06:58maybe because now now
1:07:01now because now i'm thinking i probably
1:07:04need to talk to a lawyer
1:07:06okay i mean well i because i know how
1:07:09this stuff works okay don't get me wrong
1:07:10you're right i have been doing this a
1:07:11long time
1:07:12and i wish i had been recording this
1:07:14because because now it sounds like
1:07:16you know there's you know you're selling
1:07:19these people saying i'm
1:07:20fighting with her and now it sounds like
1:07:22you're trying to you know
1:07:24i've been doing this a long time yeah
1:07:25okay and and now it almost sounds like
1:07:27you're trying to pin something on me
1:07:29now i got that sense well what it gets
1:07:31to on these on these cases and you know
1:07:33it as well as i do
1:07:34our job is to identify and eliminate i
1:07:36can't believe this
1:07:37so if we ask you to appoint to give us a
1:07:39dna sample
1:07:41if you could swap so we can identify or
1:07:44eliminate you
1:07:45you should be willing to do that maybe
1:07:48because i know this i i i that's what
1:07:50we're at to i mean
1:07:52because right now from looking at the
1:07:55evidence it's you know
1:07:56it's possible we may have some dna at
1:07:57the location that's great
1:08:00and we're going to do what we can to try
1:08:03to put this thing together
1:08:05and your name's in the book these people
1:08:07are pointing at you
1:08:08for whatever reason i don't know why
1:08:10that's just crazy i mean that's just
1:08:12that's absolutely crazy
1:08:14and it would be irresponsible on our
1:08:16part not to look at it i know
1:08:18you guys have to do your job and i guess
1:08:20i'm gonna have to contact somebody
1:08:22so that's fair i mean because i know how
1:08:24this stuff works i mean
1:08:26i i i i just can't believe it
1:08:29that's i mean we understand that i mean
1:08:31if we were in your position i mean we
1:08:32would feel the same way
1:08:34i just can't even believe it i mean it's
1:08:37just
1:08:38i i mean i'm shocked i'm really shocked
1:08:40that somebody would be blamed saying
1:08:42that i did this i mean
1:08:43we had a fight so i went and killed her
1:08:45i mean come on
1:08:46that's okay
1:08:49all right well thanks for giving me
1:09:13come on
1:09:21this is absolutely crazy
1:09:40okay stephanie you know you have the
1:09:42right to remain silent do you understand
1:09:44yes anything you say may be used against
1:09:47you in court do you understand
1:09:48yes you have the right to the presence
1:09:50of an attorney before and during any
1:09:51questioning do you understand
1:09:52yes if you cannot afford an attorney you
1:09:54want to be appointed for you free of
1:09:56charge before any questioning if you
1:09:57want
1:09:58do you understand yes do you want to
1:10:00talk to us right now no
1:10:02all right okay this is crazy this is
1:10:06i'm like i'm like in shock i'm totally
1:10:08in shock

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