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0:39Uh,
0:40I'm not sure.
0:41Stephanie, I don't know if you know my
0:42partner uh Hey, great. Stern, nice to
0:44meet you.
0:45How's it going? Good. Moving around.
0:47Uh,
0:48well,
0:49have a seat.
0:51This is a
0:53I didn't want to bring this up
0:56in your squadron.
0:58Oh, no, it's fine. I think we're good.
1:01Okay.
1:02I know this gentleman.
1:05Then you'll bring you're going to bring
1:06somebody in, right? Yeah, well, let me
1:07explain the whole thing to you.
1:10I don't want to talk about this in the
1:11squadron cuz I I don't know who people
1:12are listening. And if we go to my side,
1:15everybody's always wondering what
1:16everybody else is doing. Okay.
1:18But uh like we're talking about business
1:20and stuff. We've been assigned a case
1:22that we've been looking at. Okay? It's a
1:23new case and reviewing the case,
1:26there's some notes at the scene that as
1:28far as your name being mentioned. Oh,
1:30okay. Do you know John Rooten?
1:32John Rooten?
1:35John Rutten? Rutten.
1:37Rutten.
1:37I went to school with him. You did?
1:39Yeah. How long did you know him? Gosh, I
1:41went to school in um
1:43let's see. Went to UCLA in 19 78 I
1:47started and
1:48um
1:49you know
1:50met him at school at the dorms. Mhm.
1:54Um
1:55Were you guys friends, close friends?
1:57Yeah, we were very close friends. I mean
1:58I mean, what's this all about? Well,
2:00it's regarding
2:01it's a case we're working on and it
2:02involves John and in there some of the
2:05statements we we reviewed uh you know,
2:07there's notes and stuff that that he
2:09knew you and stuff.
2:09Oh, yeah, I mean we were good friends um
2:12lived in the dorms for
2:14I lived in the dorms for 2 years. Um You
2:17guys lived in the same dorm?
2:18Yeah. Okay.
2:19Yeah, Dykstra. Okay. Were you guys just
2:21friends or anything else or Yeah, we
2:23were we were
2:25good friends. Yeah. Was there ever any
2:27relationship or anything that developed
2:28between you guys?
2:30Yeah, I mean we we dated uh Uh-huh. you
2:32know, um
2:33I mean is it what what's this all about?
2:36Well, it's relating to uh
2:39his wife.
2:40Okay. Okay. Did you know her?
2:43Not really. I mean, I knew that he got
2:45married years ago. Uh-huh. Did you ever
2:47meet her?
2:49God, I don't know. Um
2:51Do you know who she was or anything?
2:53Well, I
2:54Let me think. God, it's been a long time
2:56ago. Um
2:59Um
3:00I you know, I may have met her.
3:02Um
3:03Jeez.
3:05You know.
3:06Yeah.
3:07Uh well, let me see. Let me ask you. You
3:08said you you dated John. How long did
3:10you guys date?
3:13I mean I well, I are you guys is this
3:15something
3:17I mean you said that I was going to
3:18interview somebody about art and how you
3:20guys are here's here's
3:21I mean
3:22Stephanie, here's the situation. It's
3:23basically
3:24we you know, we knew that this when we
3:27saw this in the in in this chrono that
3:29maybe you know, there was some
3:30relationship there. That's what the
3:31chrono seemed to indicate and we didn't
3:33want to come up to you at your desk and
3:35ask those kinds of questions or do
3:37anything. You know how up there people
3:39can see what's going on if you go into
3:40an interview room or people are in there
3:41getting supplies. So we we wanted to
3:43afford you some privacy, some
3:45confidentiality to talk about this cuz
3:47we thought it might be you know,
3:48something you know, your marriage to
3:49someone else obviously and so forth and
3:51that you may not want to you know, talk
3:53about these things in that setting where
3:54someone you know, we don't want the
3:55rumor mill or gossip or any of that kind
3:56of stuff to start.
3:57fine. I mean So what we we did this just
3:59as as a means to try and speak to you in
4:01just a confidential place where you you
4:03know, where where your business isn't
4:04out there for other people and you know,
4:06your division to know about.
4:07you know, God that's been a million
4:09years ago. I mean
4:10you know, um
4:13What year is it now? 2009? I mean, I
4:15graduated in 82. 82, yeah.
4:19Um
4:21you know, we dated um I dated other
4:23guys. I'm sure he dated other girls. Um
4:28Well, let me ask you uh
4:29roughly how long would you would you say
4:31you guys dated? Oh, jeez. Um
4:35I couldn't even say. I mean
4:37I started school there in 78. I started
4:40UCLA in 1978.
4:43I graduated in 82.
4:45Um I don't even remember what year he
4:47graduated if it was a year or two before
4:50me. Okay. Um I think he was a little bit
4:52older than I was. I mean, you know, I
4:54can't remember if he was born let's say
4:56I'm born in 60, 1960. I don't know if he
4:59was born in 58 or 59. I mean, I you
5:01know, I mean I knew his parents. I knew
5:03his sister. His brother went to
5:05Northridge.
5:08Um
5:09you know, sister spent the night at my
5:11house before. Obviously, I spent the
5:13night at his house before. He probably
5:14spent the night at my house before. Um
5:17you know, I
5:19I you know, I don't
5:20What
5:21correct me if I'm wrong cuz from what
5:23you're telling me is you you guys dated
5:24while you were in college together,
5:26right?
5:26Yeah, and probably after college. Um
5:29I can't
5:31Jeez, um trying to think when I met my
5:33husband. I met my husband
5:35in when I met Scott. Um
5:39Let's see.
5:40I was teaching DARE cuz I met Scott when
5:42I was teaching DARE up in Oregon. But
5:45we had long stopped you know,
5:47dating before that.
5:49haven't talked to him for a long time?
5:51Oh, I I think I haven't talked to him in
5:53a long time. Um I couldn't even tell you
5:54when the last time I talked to him.
5:56Um
5:57I met Scott I'm thinking in
6:0092 maybe um April of 92. It was Scott
6:04being your husband. Yeah, I'm trying to
6:06think. I was teaching DARE.
6:09Let's see. What year is this? This is
6:11we'll be married.
6:12Like I'm married in 1996. Think I met
6:14Scott in 92. Prior to that, I couldn't
6:17tell you how long I had talked you know,
6:19talked to John
6:21prior to that. But since you since you
6:23met your husband Scott, you haven't
6:24talked to him?
6:26I mean, he may have called me
6:28uh once or twice before we got married.
6:32Um you know,
6:34Jeez, I I lived I moved to Simi
6:37in 1994 because I lost my house in the
6:39earthquake. Oh, yeah. Um
6:41uh quite honestly, I probably keep in
6:43contact with
6:45a few people from the dorms. We we all
6:47we all lived on the 10th floor.
6:49Um and um
6:54there's
6:57about three or four people I keep in
6:59contact with. There's probably like six
7:01or eight of us that were all really
7:02close.
7:03Mhm. And who are those people?
7:05Oh, jeez. Um
7:07Diana Basta.
7:09Um
7:10The people I still keep I I haven't been
7:12in contact with her in a long time.
7:14Um I mean, what what you know, what's
7:17the what's I mean, what's this all
7:19about? I mean Well, let me ask you uh
7:21What ended the relationship between you
7:23and John?
7:25You know, I don't
7:26It was kind of a weird relationship. I
7:28mean, we we we dated. Um I can't say
7:32that he was my boyfriend. I don't know
7:33that he would consider me his
7:35girlfriend. Um we just we dated. We did
7:38things. I played sports in college. He
7:39played basketball.
7:41His brother played basketball. Um
7:44it it we just you know, it just
7:48didn't work out. I mean, I don't know
7:50what to tell you. It was like I went out
7:51with other guys. Um
7:53saw other guys. I went on lots of
7:55vacations.
7:56Um you know,
7:58And and once you guys split, were you
8:00guys still friends or kind of uh
8:03you know, problems?
8:05uh friendly, not friendly? No, I don't
8:07think it was not friendly. I mean, we
8:08were friendly. Um
8:10I know that
8:12we went to Hawaii
8:14um at one point.
8:16Um another friend of mine who's actually
8:18dying right now uh was went to Hawaii
8:22with us um at some point. Um Remember
8:25roughly when that was? Jeez, um
8:29Let me think.
8:31Hm.
8:32I'd have to check my pictures um or I'd
8:34I'd say I'd ask Greg, but my friend Greg
8:36is like dying of liver cancer right now.
8:38Um
8:40Yeah, I mean I you know,
8:42And you were saying that um It's 2009
8:45now.
8:46Had you ever met his wife?
8:48I may have. Do you know do you remember
8:50her name or anything or
8:53Um
8:56Um
8:58Or what she did for a living or where
9:00she worked or anything about her?
9:03Well, I think she I think I'm going to
9:04say that I think she was a nurse.
9:06Um
9:09And I can't remember how he he said he
9:10met her.
9:11Uh yeah, I mean I I yeah, I mean it's
9:14been so long ago. Well, let me ask you.
9:15Did you go to their wedding, you know,
9:17No, I didn't go to their wedding.
9:19Um no, I don't did not go to their
9:21wedding.
9:23Um
9:24I couldn't even tell you what year he
9:25got married. I mean, you know, it's it's
9:27been a million years ago. Do you
9:28remember if you ever talked to him cuz
9:30it seems like a lot of you who were
9:32at at the school UCLA, you guys kind of
9:34were friends during and after school. So
9:36I don't know if you guys still
9:37associated afterwards when once he was
9:39married or anything.
9:40With him? Yeah.
9:42No, I don't think so. I mean
9:46I would say
9:47you know,
9:48the the people that were on the dorm
9:49floor, we'd have we'd get togethers.
9:53Um there's probably like four or five I
9:55don't think he ever came.
9:57Um
9:58Yeah, I don't think no. It was There was
10:00like It was mostly girls,
10:02you know,
10:03um a girl named Smita, Diane,
10:06um
10:08There's another There's two Dianes, but
10:09the one Diane, I don't think she ever
10:11came. I kind of lost contact with her.
10:13We were good friends on the floor. Um
10:16Yeah, I mean, I don't you know, again, I
10:18I mean, what
10:20you know, I I don't understand why
10:22you're talking about some guy I dated a
10:23million years ago.
10:24you know what happened to his wife?
10:26Yeah, I know. She got killed.
10:28What did you What did you hear about
10:29that?
10:31I I saw a poster at work. Um I'm sure I
10:34spoke to him about it.
10:36Um
10:37I think I spoke to another friend of his
10:39about it.
10:40Um And how did How did you first learn
10:43about that?
10:44Jeez.
10:47Someone could have called me. I could
10:48have heard it at work.
10:50Um
10:51I think at one point there may have been
10:53a flyer or something. I know a good
10:55friend of his um
10:56Were you on the job back then when that
10:57happened?
10:58Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'm sure I was
11:00on the job. That's why I would have
11:01heard about it with a flyer. Um
11:04He had a good friend, Mike
11:06Mike
11:07Boldrick, Mike
11:09Um
11:10Um
11:13Anyways, a
11:14I He may have lived in the dorms. I
11:16don't remember if that's how I met him.
11:18Um I I may have talked to him. I mean,
11:21you know, I don't remember how I heard.
11:22I mean, I don't even remember what year
11:24it was. And you think you you thought
11:26you said you thought his wife was a
11:27nurse. You have any idea where she was
11:28working at the time or
11:30Did he ever mention that to you?
11:32Was it a hospital or a doctor's office
11:34or
11:34he must have mentioned it. Now now that
11:35you're bringing that up, I think she
11:37worked at a hospital somewhere. And
11:39yeah, I may have met her at a hospital.
11:42Um
11:42I may have talked to her once or twice.
11:45Um
11:46At a At a hospital?
11:47Or more. Um
11:49you know, But being that you were kind
11:50of
11:51used to see uh John,
11:54you know, was it Did everything okay
11:56between you guys? I mean, there wasn't
11:57any anything uncomfortable or anything
11:59between you and her?
12:00Um
12:03You know, I don't know. I mean, it's got
12:05It's been so many years. I mean,
12:07the uncomfortable, I mean,
12:11I can't even I can't even remember if we
12:13had a conversation. I mean, we may have.
12:16I may have I may have seen her at his
12:18apart I you know, it
12:20Jeez, how many years ago was that? I
12:22don't even know what year she, you know,
12:24got killed. Where was his apartment? On
12:26Roscoe. Okay. Yeah, Roscoe and um
12:30um
12:32East or west of Desoto
12:35either east or west of Desoto.
12:37Do you know where he moved after did he
12:38move after he got married or do you know
12:40or
12:43Oh.
12:45I'm sure he did. Did you know where he
12:47was living or
12:50Somewhere in the valley?
12:52Did you ever visit him and his wife? No.
12:55No, never went out to, you know,
12:57get-togethers, dinners,
12:59anything of that nature?
13:00No, like I said, his sister used to come
13:02over. His sister had had had come to my
13:05place. I knew his I knew his brother cuz
13:07his brother played basketball at
13:09Northridge. Um in fact, I was just
13:11coming across some pictures that I just
13:13scanned
13:14uh scanned from um
13:17I take a lot of photos. Um like 10,000.
13:21And I just did a service where I scanned
13:23everything.
13:25Um and I'd seen some pictures of his
13:26brother playing basketball.
13:27put them all on your computer so you can
13:28have them accessible and do things with
13:29them?
13:30Well, my partner is a big photo thing
13:32and he had a deal to scan. So, I spent a
13:36ton of time just scanning photos. I
13:38mean, I paid a company to do it. Mhm. Um
13:41So, I've got photos up I mean, his
13:43brother, his sister, you know, 10,000
13:45pictures? Oh, yeah. How long did that
13:47take them?
13:49Months.
13:51Now, what What do they Do they put that
13:52on a I'm just curious myself. Do they
13:54put it on a Do they put it get them all
13:55on one DVD? They don't need like a hard
13:57drive or anything?
13:57no. No, there's like I think 11 DVDs.
14:01Yeah, I haven't even I don't even have
14:02time to
14:02It's It's a series of DVDs that they put
14:04them on? Oh, yeah.
14:06I'm not that familiar with computer
14:07stuff, so that's why I was asking.
14:09like 11 DVDs.
14:10So, you know,
14:13I haven't had a chance to go through
14:14them. I I
14:15You could go through and pick which ones
14:17you don't want. I don't have time to do
14:18that. Right.
14:19You know, so I So, as you said, did I
14:21you know,
14:22I don't think we ever socialized. Um
14:25you know, uh he'd still call me. Um I
14:28can't say that I would I mean, if he's
14:30married, I don't know that I would have
14:31called him. I mean, maybe. Who knows? I
14:33I you know, I I don't know. It's been a
14:34million years ago. How long was John
14:36married before his wife died? I couldn't
14:39I have no idea.
14:40Yeah, I have no idea.
14:42And uh
14:44after his wife died, did Did you talk to
14:46him again or anything? Yeah, I mean, I
14:49did talk to him. Mhm. I talked to him,
14:51probably his parents, um
14:54probably some other friends, um
14:57you know,
14:59I'm sure I talked to him. Yeah. Um
15:02But you don't you don't You're not sure
15:03where he moved to after he got married?
15:05No idea. I mean,
15:07Never went over to to visit him or
15:09think I mean, I don't think so. I mean,
15:12um
15:13I don't know. I don't I mean, I don't
15:14think I did. Um
15:17I know he lived on Roscoe for a long,
15:19long time.
15:21Um
15:25I mean, he I may know. I mean, he may
15:27have told me where they lived. Somewhere
15:29in the valley. I mean, he may have said
15:30he I lived over such and such, but I I
15:32couldn't tell you specifically where.
15:35But you don't remember specifically ever
15:36going over to visit him or visit them
15:38and where wherever he moved when he left
15:40Roscoe.
15:41I I I honestly I don't know. I don't
15:43think so, but Okay. I you know, I don't
15:46want to say no, I don't think so and
15:47then he says, "Oh, yeah, she came over
15:49for something, dropped something off."
15:51You know,
15:53I'm I don't know. So, if you did go over
15:55there, it'd just be like a a quick thing
15:57like like you were saying, drop
15:58something off or Maybe. Um
16:01But you don't remember as far as like
16:02going there to have dinner or like a
16:04social anything at the house, party?
16:08Well, if you guys know something, I I
16:09just I can't I don't know. I don't think
16:12so.
16:13I mean, but
16:14After uh
16:16John's wife died, I You said you may
16:18have been talking to him. Did uh your
16:20relationship
16:22start up again?
16:23I would say no.
16:25Um
16:27Again, can you give me a year? I mean,
16:29this is like 2009.
16:31She died in 1986. Yeah, I think it was
16:34'86.
16:341986. Okay. Um
16:38Like I said, I'm I'm faintly remembering
16:40that
16:42um I went to Hawaii
16:45with my friend Greg. Greg and I got
16:46certified for scuba diving.
16:49Um and I'm thinking that John met us
16:52there, meaning Greg and I.
16:54Um
16:57That could have been
16:58I got certified
17:01toward the end of
17:03'88 or I mean, 20 Yeah, '88, '89.
17:07Um
17:09cuz I got recertified again and it had
17:11been like over
17:1410 10 years, so I got recertified. My
17:17husband and I got recertified. Um
17:21And I'm pretty sure that John met us
17:24there.
17:25Um Again, I'd have to tell you what year
17:27it was. I'd have to look at my pictures.
17:29Um
17:31you know,
17:32um and other than that, I can't even
17:34say. He may have called me,
17:37you know, at my home. Um I may have
17:39called him.
17:40Um I don't think
17:43he got together with our group. Um I
17:46don't think after his wife's death. Uh
17:48even before, I don't
17:51You know, I
17:52We went to weddings together. I you
17:54know, Did you
17:55pictures. I Like I said, I couldn't tell
17:57you years. It's been a million years
17:59ago. After he After he got
18:03uh married or whatever, were you Were
18:04you dating anybody?
18:06In particular or let alone with someone
18:08named
18:081986, you said?
18:10he got married yeah, in around '85, '86,
18:12something like that.
18:14Were you seeing anyone seriously or
18:18I couldn't say.
18:19Um
18:21Jeez, I'm trying to think. I mean,
18:23you know, I dated a fireman. Um
18:27What was his name? Mike Arndt. Um and
18:30I'm trying to think
18:31Was he an LFD or He was LFD. Mhm. Um
18:35Trying to think when I went I probably
18:37met Mike. I went to Devonshire.
18:40Let's see, I left Hollywood in '80 I I
18:43worked Hollywood '84
18:46to '85, I think.
18:48And then I went to Devonshire and that's
18:49when I met Mike.
18:51Um
18:52and some other firemen.
18:55And
18:56What at the station next door? No,
18:57actually no. Cuz I used to work
18:59Hollywood, so I just wondered if it was
19:00the station
19:00No, no, no. It was in When I worked
19:02Devonshire, I met Mike.
19:03Oh, okay. All right.
19:05And I'm trying to think. I went to
19:07Devonshire in '85. And I'm thinking that
19:11I would have met him probably sometime
19:14shortly after I went to Devonshire cuz I
19:16met him and his
19:17I actually met his buddies at a fire.
19:20Um and then
19:22Mike and I dated
19:25you know, just really kind of casually.
19:27Uh-huh. Um
19:30And we remained very I mean, we remained
19:32good friends. Um You still in touch with
19:34him or Unfortunately, he passed away.
19:36Oh, really?
19:37He died in a um He had a car crash. Um
19:41He did race cars and he went heading
19:45into a wall. Mhm.
19:47I couldn't tell you what year that was.
19:49Um but he passed away. He was in a coma
19:52when they pulled the uh the plug.
19:53Right. Seems like mhm uh anyway
19:56um
19:57So,
19:58you know,
20:00I couldn't even tell you what what year.
20:02I'm thinking I went to Devlin in '85 and
20:03I know I met the guys cuz I it was kind
20:05of a funny incident of how I met them.
20:07And that's how I remember. It was
20:09sometime probably '85. Right. Um you
20:12know, if you specifically I don't even
20:14know if they'd remember. The other two
20:16are now
20:17married to somebody else cuz I kind of
20:20all three I mean
20:21Did you guys socialize like when you
20:22were out with Mike, did those guys come
20:24out with you, too? Was it kind of like
20:25did you do stuff with his friends or
20:27um there were three there was two
20:29firemen, Eric and Gary.
20:31Um I met them first.
20:33Then they introduced me to Mike.
20:35So, that's how I met Mike and Mike dated
20:37Mike and I dated.
20:38Mhm. So,
20:39um
20:40And not I wouldn't even say I couldn't
20:42even tell you for how long because then
20:43it was so we decided yeah, it wasn't
20:45working out and we'd be better friends
20:47and
20:49you know, he introduced me I think
20:51to some other guy on that who now is on
20:53LAPD.
20:55Um
20:56uh
20:58Randy Cordobas.
21:00Um
21:01I don't think I know him.
21:03He's got a twin brother who's on the
21:04fire department. That's how I met Randy
21:07um because he had a twin brother
21:09identical twin on the fire department.
21:11Okay. Um
21:13And And what you you were already
21:15I dated him
21:17when I couldn't tell you. It was before
21:18he came on the job.
21:20Oh, before Randy came on the job? Yeah.
21:22Oh, okay.
21:23And that was
21:25um
21:26I Oh, God, I'm trying to remember.
21:29If Mike Mike may have
21:33I'm trying to remember.
21:35Mike may have dated um
21:38a girl that he dated
21:40I don't that sounds too weird. Um
21:44Randy may have dated a gal that Mike was
21:47dating.
21:48And that and then Mike
21:50Randy broke up with that gal.
21:53I couldn't even tell you the gal's name
21:54if I'm even thinking of the story right.
21:56And then I started dating Randy. Yeah.
21:59Oh.
22:00I you know, so again, I mean
22:03not like I was a huge floozy or
22:05anything, but
22:06No, but you know, I mean a lot of times,
22:08right? At least from my female partners
22:10that I've had, you know, it's hard
22:11dating guys that aren't involved in kind
22:14of our circle, right? Because some a lot
22:15some guys are intimidated by, you know,
22:17women police officers and
22:19Yeah, Randy was like an engineer at the
22:20time. Uh he was like a some kind of an
22:22engineer. On a truck on a rig on a fire
22:25truck?
22:25No, no, um an engineer um Oh,
22:27professional engineer. All right, okay.
22:29lost a job and then came on on the
22:31department.
22:32I see. So,
22:33um
22:34But getting back to some of this stuff,
22:36as far as you recall after John's wife
22:37died,
22:40did you start a relationship again with
22:42with John or
22:44dating casually or anything like that?
22:47Like I said,
22:49he met Greg and I in Hawaii, okay?
22:53Um
22:55That was something you guys kind of
22:56planned together like go as a group or
22:58you you got ran into him or
23:00No, I I think that
23:02obviously I must have talked to him and
23:04I said, "Hey, I'm going to Hawaii with
23:07my buddy Greg. We're
23:09we're scuba we just got certified scuba
23:11diving. Um
23:13uh we're going to be in Hawaii. Hey, if
23:15you want to come and join us, come join
23:16us." And I I think that's what it was.
23:19Um
23:20I met I may have asked some other people
23:22to as well. Um
23:24You know,
23:25uh what island did we go to?
23:29I think the Big Island and Kauai. He
23:32either met us on the Big Island or
23:33Kauai. I'm thinking of
23:35Sc- uh Greg and I might have scuba dived
23:37a lot in on the Big Island
23:40as well as Kauai. I'm I I don't remember
23:42which island again. I'd have to look at
23:43my pictures.
23:45Um I traveled a lot Mhm. um on my
23:48vacations. I mean, I was always gone for
23:50at least a month.
23:51Um
23:53And I'd go places and I would either run
23:55into people or you know,
23:57you know, meet people.
23:59Um
24:00And Greg this Greg we're talking about
24:03he was
24:05like a someone you were dating or just a
24:07buddy or
24:08No, you know what? I would I would say
24:10we started out um
24:13probably just buddies
24:15um
24:15and either I was with somebody or he was
24:18with somebody, but it was all we all It
24:20was kind of like we ended up just kind
24:21of being like brother and sister. Um
24:24And maybe he wanted something more, but
24:27um
24:27you know, it just it never, you know,
24:30worked out, but we we we did things
24:31together. Um you know, I would consider
24:34him I've probably known him
24:38Let's see, I've been on the job almost
24:3926 years.
24:41I've probably known Greg 23 24 years.
24:44Um
24:44Do you still talk to him?
24:46Oh, yeah, he's dying of liver cancer
24:48right now. Yeah.
24:49I'm sorry. Yeah, so um so you know, I I
24:53consider him a good friend um
24:55you know, um
25:00you know, I don't know what to tell you
25:01on that. Um I mean, when when you heard
25:03about uh
25:05John's wife being killed, I mean, what
25:07was your what was your reaction? I mean,
25:08what did you you thought you heard about
25:10it what through a friend or in a
25:12bulletin or something?
25:13a friend or a bulletin. Um I obviously I
25:15mean, I called I called the family.
25:17Um I called maybe some of his friends
25:20that that that I knew and I mean,
25:21obviously it shocked you. If you're if I
25:23heard it at work, you know, um which I
25:25may have I I faintly remember a bulletin
25:28going around. Um
25:31Either that or somebody called me. I I I
25:32honestly don't remember. Right. Um
25:35and then I called probably called his
25:36family.
25:38Um called uh
25:40I
25:41don't know initially
25:42I can't say if I initially spoke to him
25:44or not. I honestly don't remember.
25:46I may have said to somebody, "Hey, have
25:48him call me if he wants to talk."
25:51And then he may have done that.
25:52Uh-huh. Um
25:54you know, um
25:57Do you
25:57Do you know what the circumstances were
25:59regarding her death? Mhm.
26:03Geez, let me think back.
26:06Um
26:07Geez,
26:09I don't know if it was you know, if it
26:11was a burglary or something. I yeah,
26:13it's I mean, it's been so many years. I
26:15I mean, I can faintly
26:17think that I may have saw a flyer. Yeah.
26:19Uh may have had her picture on it, you
26:22know, um I mean
26:24That's why I say if somebody had called
26:26me,
26:27I may not have known what her last name
26:28was. I may have I mean, maybe if you
26:31told me I would remember it. Um Do you
26:33remember her first name?
26:35Uh
26:35Shelly um Sherry
26:39I don't know, something maybe a you
26:41know,
26:42um like I said, it's been so many years
26:44and
26:45um From all the years as far as you can
26:47remember, do you don't do you do you
26:49remember ever talking to her? Just
26:51Well, I
26:52I said earlier, you know, I I mean
26:55I may have, you know, I may have talked
26:57to her. Um it sound I you know,
27:01You mentioned a hospital maybe. You may
27:03have talked to her at a hospital.
27:05Yeah, um
27:07yeah, I may have
27:08you know, I'm I'm thinking back now you
27:10guys are bringing up all these old
27:11memories. No, it kind of dusts off the
27:13cobwebs, I understand.
27:15Um
27:19I'm thinking that
27:21because I mean, we would date he would
27:23date other people. I would date other
27:24people. Mhm. And I think, you know,
27:29at one point I mean, he may have been
27:31dating her or I don't know. Maybe he was
27:34married. I don't even remember.
27:36And I'm like, you know what? Why are you
27:38calling me if you're either dating her
27:41or living with her or married to her. I
27:42I cuz I honestly don't remember the time
27:43frame. Um and I'm like, come on, knock
27:45it off. And I'm And now I'm thinking I
27:47put may I may have gone to her and said,
27:49"Hey, you know what?
27:50You know what? Is he dating you? He's
27:52he's bothering me."
27:54Um and so I'm thinking that we had a
27:55conversation about that.
27:57Um
27:58One or two maybe. I
28:01you know, I It could have been three. I
28:02don't want to say I had three
28:04conversations with her. Like at like at
28:05her work or at their at their house or
28:09No, I'm thinking that I
28:10you know, he obviously must have told me
28:12where she worked. I'm thinking it was a
28:14hospital somewhere
28:16in LA and I just I mean, I could have
28:18been
28:19Again, what year was that? Where was I
28:21working?
28:22Um
28:29You know, I don't I don't I'm trying to
28:30think of where
28:32You When did you say they got married?
28:35I don't know. I think it was like
28:36in '85 or '86 or something like that.
28:40Yeah, we we we we just kind of picked
28:42this up. We don't you know, we don't
28:43know a lot about it.
28:52I mean, I could have been working in
28:53Hollywood it sounds like if if that's
28:55where I was working.
28:57Um So, I could have said, "Okay, well,
28:59you know," and I went and talked to her.
29:01Um and just said, "Hey, you know what?
29:03You know, if he's dating you, he's he's
29:05keeps calling me. Why don't you tell him
29:08to knock it off or whatever." And you
29:10know, because I probably would have told
29:11him to knock it off. You would have
29:12called John? Oh, yeah. I mean, I would
29:14have said, "Hey, you know,
29:16And again, But you wanted to tell her,
29:19too? You wanted them both to know? Yeah,
29:21I mean, you know, if you get you're
29:22getting her
29:23called and I'm try I'm faintly
29:25remembering
29:26uh
29:27when Scott moved in with me in 1993.
29:30Uh
29:31sometime in '93 cuz I met Scott in in
29:36in April of '92. I was teaching DARE up
29:38in Oregon. Mhm.
29:40And
29:43um
29:45He moved down. In fact, he may have
29:47moved down in '92.
29:49'92 or '93, there was a big earthquake.
29:51No, when was the big earthquake?
29:53No, '94.
29:55yeah. So, he
29:57I think Scott might have might moved in
29:59in '93, sometime in '93.
30:03Excuse me. Um
30:05I haven't had my breakfast yet. Um and
30:07so
30:09um
30:10Um excuse me.
30:12Um
30:13and so I faintly recall that John may
30:16have called a few times and I'm like,
30:18"Hey, you know, I've got He goes, "Well,
30:20can you I was like, "You know, can you
30:21talk or something?" I'm like, "You know,
30:22no, I can't talk. I've got you know, I'm
30:24living with somebody." Right.
30:26You know, and and that could have been a
30:27few times. It could have been once,
30:28could have been twice, could have been
30:29three times. Yeah, I don't know, you
30:31know. And that's during the period of
30:33time of the earthquake that you're in.
30:35Well, no, probably probably after Scott
30:37moved in. I think I met Scott in April
30:39of '92.
30:40Okay, right before.
30:41April of '92 cuz I was I stopped
30:44teaching D.A.R.E.
30:51I think I stopped teaching D.A.R.E.
30:52sometime in '92. Mhm. Um
30:56And when you And when you say that you
30:58may have
30:59um you know that you talked to his wife
31:01said, "Hey, you know, or you know, I
31:03don't know if it was I guess it wasn't
31:04his wife at that time, girlfriend or
31:05whatever." And
31:06Yeah, I don't know if it was his wife or
31:07his girl I I I mean,
31:08quite honestly, I don't even remember.
31:09When you said like, "Hey, you know, he's
31:11calling me. He needs to knock it off or
31:12what have you." I mean, was that was
31:13that civil? Was there I mean
31:14Oh, yeah, no, there was not I don't
31:15think there was anything It was if the
31:17conversation lasted a a a a few minutes.
31:20I can't even remember. It wasn't like,
31:21you know, we went out to lunch or
31:22anything.
31:23Right, but there was no like arguments
31:24or fights or it didn't get heated or
31:26anything like that.
31:27I recall, no. I mean I would think that
31:30would stand out, I would think. Now,
31:31again, that's not standing out in my
31:33mind.
31:34Um
31:36you know
31:38So, you didn't have any problems with
31:39her then? No.
31:41have any issues with her?
31:42No, I mean Well, let me let me ask you.
31:45Seems like you didn't have any issue.
31:46Now, did she have an issue with you as
31:48far as because now you you're telling
31:50her, "Hey, you know, tell him to stop
31:52calling us." You know, she's like,
31:53"Yeah."
31:54You know, you figure she'd be threatened
31:56by you. You know, I
31:58I don't know. I mean From what you
32:00remember as far as when you talked to
32:01her, maybe you didn't take it as
32:03serious, but maybe you know, did she?
32:06Maybe she was bothered.
32:06was she throwing things at me or
32:08something or
32:08Well, no, not just you know as far as
32:10you're trying to explain like, "Hey,
32:12have him stop calling me, you know, stop
32:13playing games."
32:14I You know, you tell her
32:16If the conversation I couldn't even tell
32:18you how long the conversation I If you
32:19said, "Did it last a half an hour? Did
32:21it last 3 minutes? Did it last 20
32:23minutes?" I can't even remember. It's
32:24been so long ago, you know. Um You just
32:27remember talking to her telling her
32:29about this.
32:29why you said, "How many times did you
32:30talk to her?" I don't know how many
32:31times I talked to her. Maybe it was
32:32once, maybe it was twice, maybe it was
32:34three times. You know, I I I honestly
32:36don't know. Um I I don't know what year
32:38it was. Um
32:41if you if he said, "I met her in such
32:43and such year." I'd go, "Okay, well, I
32:44don't even know what year year he met
32:46her." Um
32:47I graduated from UCLA in 1982, okay?
32:52I graduated in '82.
32:53Like I said, I don't know if he
32:54graduated I know he was
32:57a little older than I was. So, I don't
32:59know if he graduated a year before or 2
33:00years before because people are on
33:02different
33:03um you're on the 4-year program or the
33:045-year program.
33:05Mhm. Um What year did you come on the
33:08job?
33:09'83.
33:10Oh, so almost pretty much immediately
33:12after you got out of school?
33:14Yeah, I worked at a law firm for a year.
33:17Um
33:18and then came on the job.
33:20But in anyway, in regards to seeing him,
33:23not seeing him
33:24we went to friends' weddings that were,
33:27you know,
33:28from UCLA.
33:30Um I may have gone to some of his
33:31friends' weddings from where he worked.
33:34Um he may have gone to things with me,
33:36you know. Um
33:39You know, I mean I I I
33:41don't know how many times we went to do
33:43things, you know. Or didn't do things.
33:45Right. Like I said, his sister
33:48um um I know his sister uh
33:52his brother, his sister I know stayed at
33:54my townhouse
33:56a number of times. I couldn't tell you
33:58how many times.
33:59Right. Um
34:00I would watch his brother, you know, I
34:02shoot take pictures at a basketball game
34:05or or two.
34:06Where was your townhouse at? In Granada
34:07Hills.
34:09Um uh below the Odyssey.
34:11I don't know where the Odyssey is.
34:12Oh, I'm sorry. The 405 and the 5 um the
34:15405 and
34:16the the 405 turns into 5, the 118. Um
34:20they they came down in the earthquake.
34:22Okay. So. Okay.
34:24And you're saying
34:25when you went to see her
34:28do you would you remember if it was at
34:29her house or at
34:32at the place she worked at?
34:34No, I'm thinking that I'm thinking it
34:36was probably
34:38For some reason I want to say that the
34:40hospital seemed that you know, if you
34:43say he got married in
34:45'85 or something, I'm thinking that you
34:48know, maybe the hospital was on my way
34:50to work in Hollywood. I mean, that's
34:52kind of sounding familiar. Um
34:55Would you have gone on duty?
34:57Oh, no, I'm sure I wouldn't. If I No,
35:00I'm I'm pretty good about not doing
35:01stuff.
35:02You know, I mean No, I'm not saying that
35:04you know, you haven't done stuff on
35:06duty, but I I I would have I mean, I
35:09would have been working with somebody.
35:10Okay. You know, so
35:12I wouldn't I wouldn't think. I mean, I
35:13try to avoid doing stuff on duty. Okay.
35:16So.
35:17So, you would have gone if it was in
35:19route to work, you more than likely
35:20would have gone to her work and had this
35:23discussion with her. I mean, that's
35:24sounding familiar. I mean, that's now
35:26that you guys are bringing this stuff
35:27up,
35:28um
35:29I mean, it sound that sounds familiar.
35:31Um but again, I mean, you know,
35:34what's I mean, what's this got to do
35:36with me dating him and you know, her
35:38getting killed? I mean, I I I don't you
35:40know, I don't have anything to do with
35:42it and you got something that's somebody
35:44said, you know, whatever. I mean Well,
35:47like we said, we we just literally got
35:48this the other day and and you're going
35:50through it. Yeah.
35:52you're
35:52next next door. Right. And so, you know,
35:55I mean, obviously it's like we recognize
35:57the name. We know that you know, you
35:58work next door to us and so we're trying
36:00to get some background. We're trying to
36:01figure this out. I mean, this is from a
36:02long time ago. You know, and and things
36:04have been kind of slow for us and so,
36:06you know, Chief Beck has said, "Hey, you
36:08know, I want you guys working. I don't
36:09want you to sit around reading the
36:10paper."
36:11Yeah. So, he's kind of pushing some
36:12older cases out even to the guys that
36:14work active cases because, you know, and
36:15so we see this and we're just like, "Oh,
36:17well,
36:17you know, we want to talk to you about
36:18it." But of course, the only reason we
36:20did it here is because we're getting
36:21into some pretty personal stuff in your
36:22relationship.
36:23my husband's on the job and we've been
36:25married a long
36:26to take the risk. We don't want to take
36:27the risk when one of those interview
36:28rooms and even when the door closed,
36:29someone's going to get supplies and see
36:31us on a monitor or hears or whatever.
36:32I appreciate it. I mean, I appreciate
36:34like I said.
36:34That's where people go when there's
36:35oral, you know, when they're doing oral,
36:36guys will go in there and try and watch
36:38and go, "What are the answers to the
36:39questions?" you know.
36:39know that. Yeah, so so we just we just
36:41want to afford you the most privacy and
36:43confidentiality we could. I appreciate
36:45it. Like I said, I mean, this goes way
36:47back and I mean, it was very sad, you
36:49know, obviously
36:51um
36:53I I haven't you know, I
36:55When we were in college
36:57some of us would go down to his house in
36:59San Diego. I went down to his house with
37:01him.
37:02You know,
37:03with with him. I know I'm trying to
37:05think of some other people that may have
37:06gone down there.
37:07where he grew up? Is down there?
37:08Yeah, down in San Diego.
37:09Oh, okay.
37:09Um I know his dad was a professor at San
37:12Diego State. I don't know if he still
37:14is. Mhm. Um
37:16I don't know what happened to his
37:17sister, don't know what happened to his
37:18brother. Um
37:21You know, I'm sure his dad's probably
37:22retired by now.
37:24He was I think older um even back then.
37:28Right.
37:28Um
37:30and I I can't even tell you the last
37:32time I had any contact with any of them.
37:34It's been so long.
37:35Did he tell you what happened? Like what
37:37he heard from the detectives or the
37:38police or
37:41You know what? He may have
37:43um
37:45For some reason I'm thinking that
37:48I mean, again, this is like
37:55drugs or something. I mean, I think I
37:57faintly remember him
37:59mentioning something maybe about
38:01cocaine.
38:02Um
38:04that she was involved with that? You
38:05know, I don't know that he said she was
38:07involved or they thought she was I you
38:09know, again, it's been so long. I you
38:11know, he could have mentioned He could
38:13have told me the whole story of what
38:15happened. And I mean, like I said, I'm
38:17faintly remembering even between him or
38:19the flyer um
38:22that there was some kind of a burglary.
38:25Um
38:27you know
38:28Let me ask if the the detectives ever
38:29reach out to you? Ever No, no one's ever
38:32talked to me. I don't think anybody ever
38:33talked to me about about him. Um It
38:36seems like back in the year of '86
38:37well, I I take
38:41I'm thinking that I did talk to a
38:43detective.
38:45Um
38:46God.
38:48Well, what division was it?
38:50In Van Nuys?
38:52Mhm.
38:54And where was I working?
38:56Um
38:571986?
38:59I would have been working Devonshire.
39:03You know, I'm thinking that I did speak
39:05to somebody. Oh, really? Okay.
39:07I couldn't tell you who it was.
39:09Cuz it doesn't it doesn't say anything
39:11the phone. Okay.
39:12Um
39:13Would it been somebody in regards to
39:15this or just
39:16Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Um
39:20I don't even know if he said a name if I
39:21would have remembered it. Because I
39:22worked Van Nuys for a while. Oh, you
39:24did?
39:25Yeah, I worked um Detectives patrol?
39:27No, we're detectives.
39:29Uh-huh. Um
39:31When did I go to Van Nuys?
39:33I worked Devonshire till '88. Then I
39:36went to D.A.R.E. till '92.
39:40I worked twice at Van
39:42Um Both as detective? Yeah.
39:49Sometime in the '90s.
39:51Um
39:55Yeah, I
39:56I I know before I busted my leg up, I
39:58was there in '98 cuz that year sticks
40:01out because I had a really bad leg
40:02injury. Um
40:05and I was there prior to that, but I
40:07couldn't tell you what year. It was just
40:09a few years. I made detective, I think,
40:10in
40:11'93.
40:14'93.
40:15So, um
40:18I was at Van Nuys
40:20and then I went back, and then I had a
40:21leg injury, and then they transferred me
40:22to Devonshire cuz I couldn't drive. Mhm.
40:25I couldn't drive very far with the my
40:26bad leg injury.
40:28So, um
40:30But, yeah, I I I think I talked to
40:32somebody.
40:33Um Do you remember any Would you
40:35remember any of the conversation as far
40:37as what they were looking for or
40:40I couldn't say. I mean, they may have
40:42told me I said, "Hey, you know, I went
40:44to school with him."
40:46Um I either either somebody called me or
40:48I saw the fly. I may have seen the flyer
40:51at that point, and I called up if if
40:53someone's name was on the flyer, I may
40:54have called to speak to them. I said,
40:56"Hey, if there's anything I can do, you
40:58know, um call me. This is where I work.
41:01You know, I went to uh you know, uh
41:04school with him. Mhm. Um
41:08Couldn't say. I couldn't tell you who it
41:10was.
41:11But, you do remember that that someone
41:13you think reached out to you.
41:15You mean a detective?
41:16Yeah. Called you up and talked to you.
41:19Or I called them. One of the two. But,
41:21yeah, I
41:22you know, I I remember talking to
41:24somebody, but
41:26I'm thinking it was a man.
41:29Um I'm sure there's probably more men
41:30back then. Yeah, probably more men.
41:33Um
41:34Uh
41:34So, again, that's
41:36I mean, that's not really all I can
41:38remember about that. Yeah.
41:41Let me get back uh to
41:44as far as when you said that uh
41:47John was calling you to to see you, and
41:49during that time you felt that he was
41:51was
41:52felt he was either seeing her or was
41:53engaged or married. Did Did you know?
41:56Couldn't say. You don't remember? I you
41:58know, I don't know. Uh-huh. Um I
42:01Did he ever appear
42:01see. My husband Did it ever appear
42:03Well, no. No, that would have been
42:05Scott moved in in '93.
42:08So, that would have been You said '80 86
42:10or '85 or something. Scott's your only
42:11husband? You've never been married
42:13before?
42:13Yeah. No, never been married. I got
42:14married in I think '96. Well, no, I I
42:16know I got married in '96. But, he moved
42:18in in '93. Mhm.
42:21But, uh
42:22during that time that you were seeing
42:24John, uh
42:25you know, was he acting kind of kind of
42:27kind of squirrely or kind of sneaking
42:29around when he'd hook up with you or
42:30anything like that
42:32to make you think, "Hey, you may Yeah,
42:33this
42:34He probably was. I mean,
42:36I mean, cuz I from the impression I get
42:38is you've known him a long time.
42:40Well, let's see. From what early
42:41him in '78. No, I I met him in school I
42:44started UCLA in '78.
42:46Um So, you know him well.
42:49During that period of time. Yeah, I
42:51mean, was he acting squirrely?
42:55You know,
42:56I don't even remember where he was
42:57living then. You know, I
43:00Well, after
43:02Well, let me ask you after he hooked up
43:03with uh I mean, if he was living on
43:05Roscoe or wherever else he was living.
43:07Right. Well, after he hooked up with uh
43:10with Sherry,
43:11do you know
43:12where they were living?
43:14No, you asked me that already. Uh-huh.
43:16And I said, "Well, obviously they were
43:17living in Van Nuys division." Yeah.
43:20Um
43:22I may have known. Mhm. I mean, I you
43:24know, again, I you know, did he ever
43:26give me the address?
43:28I I maybe.
43:29You know, I don't remember. I mean, I
43:31don't know
43:33Cuz the only reason I'm asking you again
43:35is cuz we've been talking, I know some
43:37stuff has come to you cuz you're like,
43:38"Oh, she did this You know,
43:41That's why I'm asking if you've ever
43:42been to the house.
43:42And when you said Van Nuys division,
43:46you know, I'm just
43:52I'm sure he could have told me. I mean,
43:53he could have told me. He could have
43:54told me where he lived. Um
43:59Did you ever have gone there?
44:01I don't think I've ever gone there. I
44:03just want to say I don't
44:05I don't want to say no, I've never gone
44:06there, and then you say, "Oh, I was at a
44:07party."
44:08Cuz I I I don't you know, I don't think
44:11so. Yeah. Um like I said, we've got
44:14these friends. We have different We have
44:15parties.
44:17Um
44:18My house, their house.
44:21I I just don't think John ever came to
44:23any
44:24Again, you know, at what point because
44:27we we knew people from school together.
44:30I knew different people. He knew
44:31different people. I knew people that he
44:33knew from his work um
44:36you know, that lived in the Valley.
44:38Um
44:40You know,
44:42So, as far as for social events or
44:43anything, I mean, it's
44:46I mean, you're not sure if you've ever
44:47been to the house cuz
44:53But, it's safe to say that would have
44:54been the only time like for something
44:56social.
44:58Yeah, if I went there for something
44:59social, yeah. I mean,
45:01Because I know you you went to talk to
45:02her
45:04at at the hospital
45:06uh regarding this issue with John.
45:09So, you know, kind of like they you
45:10know, what's going to happen here with
45:11this thing.
45:13But, would this ever have followed up to
45:14her house when you went to talk to her
45:16to say, "Hey, you know what?"
45:18I don't even know that I knew where they
45:19lived. I You know, that's what I'm
45:21saying. I don't If I knew where they
45:23lived and I'd been there if it was for
45:25something social,
45:27I I would I'm
45:28And I can't say how many times I I saw
45:30her face-to-face.
45:31You know, he lived on Roscoe. Did I ever
45:33see her there? I don't know. I mean, I
45:36may have seen her at his apartment on
45:38Roscoe. Mhm.
45:40I may have met her there.
45:42Um
45:42You know, I I mean,
45:44But, you didn't have any issues with
45:46her, right?
45:47No, I mean, you know, obviously if he
45:50was dating me and dating her, I I
45:51probably said, "Hey, pick." or
45:53something, you know, you know, back
45:55then. Um
45:57I can't say that we ever screamed or
46:00yeah you know, it's I mean, he was a
46:02pretty mellow guy.
46:04You know, um I think I was pretty
46:07mellow. I I don't I don't think we had
46:09some big huge blowup to say,
46:11"Well, you know, why we stopped dating?"
46:13or you know,
46:14and I even think that when I was dating
46:16him, I was probably Like I said, I was
46:18probably going out with other guys, and
46:19he was probably going out with other
46:21girls. You know, I don't know.
46:23mean, would you remember if she snapped
46:26on you and just like, "Hey, man, it's my
46:27man, you know, you get leave him alone."
46:29you know, blah blah blah, that kind of
46:31stuff? You know,
46:34You know, would you remember an incident
46:35like that? I mean, cuz that would be
46:36like what? Well, you know, and maybe
46:38that happened. I mean,
46:41gosh, I you know,
46:43it's been so long ago. I You know, I
46:45just I mean, that's not ringing a bell.
46:49Mhm. Um I mean, cuz the times I've seen
46:51you around at our office, I'm crazy. You
46:53know, but you're always kind of like
46:54real
46:56I mean, you seem kind of bubbly. Oh, I'm
46:58pre- I'm You know, people think I'm
46:59really hyper. Um but, I can I mean, I
47:02can get
47:03I can get upset. You know, and and I'm
47:05then I forget 5 seconds later. You know,
47:07you know how guys rag you, and you go,
47:10"Ah, you know, um
47:12I mean, I've done that in the office,
47:13you know, but it's like and then I'm you
47:16know, and then I'm
47:17you know, Yeah. Uh you know, I mean,
47:19people think
47:20the bridge. Yeah, I mean, it's like
47:21people think I'm crazy, and then they
47:23think I'm crazy at home, and I'm you
47:25know, more I'm I'm a hyper person at
47:27work. I'm you know, I I
47:29enjoy my job. I get excited. I you know,
47:32um
47:33I I enjoy the job. I've always enjoyed
47:35the job. Um Well, you got a good gig,
47:37so.
47:38You know, um So, you know, I
47:42I you know, I don't know. It's like I
47:44said, this stuff's been so long ago. Um
47:47You know, I'm sure as soon as I walk out
47:48of here, I'll go, "Oh, shoot. I It's 25
47:51things I'll remember."
47:52Um you know, But, you'll call us or I
47:54mean, you'll just come over our desk and
47:56tell us.
47:56I
47:57I don't know what else you need to know.
47:58Like I said, you know, we we knew
47:59friends together.
48:01A lot of the friends that, you know,
48:03that we socialized in the dorms, I would
48:05say I mean, there was a group of us that
48:09um We were all really close. I mean,
48:11even this one guy I was thinking of, you
48:13know, um Diana Basta. We were all really
48:16close. I haven't talked to her in a
48:18million years. Um Diana Basta being a
48:21friend of you and John's or
48:22Yeah, we all lived on the dorms on the
48:24dorms together. I don't know if she
48:26lived on the same we I'm trying to
48:27think. I think I know John lived on Arfa
48:30because his roommate was Dave Newman.
48:32Dave Newman now is a big huge big shot.
48:35Whatever.
48:36Movie producer, director, something. I
48:38don't know. Um And that was John's
48:40roommate? Yeah. And then the guys that
48:42lived across from me,
48:44um Jim Jaskol and Roy
48:48Sakabu, Sakabu, something like that. Um
48:51they lived across from me. Um Diana
48:53Basta,
48:56I don't know if she lived on our floor.
48:57Maybe she was the RA.
49:00Um
49:01Diane Sherman.
49:03Um cuz I still remain friends with Diane
49:05Sherman.
49:06Um not that I'm not friends with the
49:08other people. I just don't see them. Um
49:11A gal named Smita.
49:13Um Sally.
49:17Kathleen. You know, so we we were all on
49:20the floor. I mean, some of them were
49:22athletes, some of them weren't. You
49:24know, I said John played basketball, his
49:25brother played basketball. I played
49:26basketball at UCLA for 2 years. Um
49:30One of the girls swam on the team, one
49:31was on the crew team. So, we all did
49:33stuff together. Um and then I'd say
49:35after we all graduated, we went to
49:37weddings, you know, I went to weddings.
49:40Um
49:41Uh
49:42But Sherry wasn't part of this circle.
49:45No, I don't even know how he how he met
49:47her. I don't even know where I mean, I
49:48don't know where he met her from. I
49:50don't even know he told me where he met
49:51her from. I mean, he may have told me. I
49:54You know, that's not ringing a bell. Um
49:58And there was lots of many others just
50:01There was other people that knew other
50:02people,
50:03um
50:04you know, that were friends of
50:05everybody's. Um
50:09You know.
50:11Um I mean, I don't know what else to
50:12tell you. Well, one of the concerns I
50:14have is looking at some of the notes is
50:15uh
50:17Some of Sherry's friends said that
50:19you and her were having a problem
50:22because of the John situation.
50:26That's
50:26That's
50:27Well,
50:28I number one, I don't know who her
50:29friends are.
50:31Um cuz again, I don't I don't recall if
50:34he did tell me where he met her.
50:37I don't know even who these friends are.
50:39A problem
50:41Like I said, if I spoke to her
50:43I mean, I'll go out as far as a limb and
50:45I don't even want to say I spoke to her
50:46five times cuz that's probably not even
50:49true. I I I can't even remember.
50:51Um
50:53Again, did I meet him at her place when
50:54he you know, he lived on Roscoe for I
50:56think
50:57a quite a while, but I couldn't tell you
50:58how long he lived on Roscoe. And the
51:00only reason I remember the place now is
51:02because it's like a huge dope dope place
51:04now where they you know, it it may have
51:06been back then, but you know, maybe we
51:08didn't know back then.
51:09Um
51:10I could have met her there. I could have
51:12you know,
51:13uh
51:14But I think
51:15You know, I don't even know that I met
51:18any of their friends.
51:20I I I You know, I don't I I I can't say
51:22that. I don't know that that's a true
51:23statement. Well, that's what I'm reading
51:25is that
51:26you guys have problems with each other
51:28and words are being exchanged and it's
51:29all relating to John.
51:34You know what? I I I I I just I can't
51:37say. You can't say?
51:38No, I That doesn't even ring a bell. I
51:40mean, I mean, it seemed like yeah, you
51:42would recall something if somebody's
51:43going off on you, right?
51:46I mean, I would think.
51:48I would think.
51:48Yeah. Um Because it's But that I you
51:52know, It seems like your relationship
51:53with John was
51:55kind of
51:57I mean, you've known each other for a
51:58lot of years. Yeah, it was just kind of
52:00It was like
52:03But it doesn't seem to me what you tell
52:05me is I mean, we were never engaged. I
52:07mean, it wasn't like we were planning to
52:08get married. Um
52:10you know, it was like It it was
52:14I don't know how to describe it. I mean,
52:16Would you say there wasn't a lot of
52:18drama in this relationship?
52:20I don't think there was drama.
52:21Yeah, I mean, That's why I'm asking as
52:23far as what the friends are saying in
52:24regards to
52:26this you know, the problems they're
52:28saying you were having with with Sherry.
52:31I mean, it seems like the relationship
52:32is just going on even plane.
52:34That just I I That I That I don't have a
52:36recollection of that at all.
52:38No. No. And cuz from what you're telling
52:40me is when you guys met at the hospital
52:43uh
52:44I mean, you guys talked, but it wasn't
52:46from what you recall confrontational
52:48from either side.
52:50I I mean,
52:52I'm trying to you know, turn my memory
52:53back, you know,
52:55and I'm trying I can't even can't even
52:57picture the
52:58you know, picture the the conversation.
53:01I mean, I can't even picture the
53:01conversation.
53:02Well, let me ask you. I mean, at the
53:03hospital it never got to the point where
53:05people are going, "Hey, hey, you know,
53:07go to everybody go to your own corner
53:08there type of thing?" I don't think so.
53:10Nothing like that? I don't think so. I
53:12mean, I really don't. I mean, if you You
53:14know, if you say people said that
53:16that's not ringing a bell to me at all.
53:17I mean, it's not. I mean, that that's
53:19not ringing a bell Was there Was there
53:21ever a time when you and Sherry were
53:23talking and John had to maybe go, "Okay,
53:25you guys
53:26relax, you know, or anything like that?"
53:29I don't think so.
53:31About you know, ever going to her house
53:33and having a dispute like that.
53:36You know,
53:37I'm just
53:39If I met her ever at his apartment,
53:41maybe. I mean, maybe we could have met
53:43at I could have met her apartment.
53:45I'm thinking that
53:47the hospital thing, that sounds familiar
53:50that I I met her there.
53:54I just can't say that I've ever
53:55Again, was I there with other people?
53:58You know, I don't I I it I don't know.
54:01Um I don't think I ever met her there or
54:04him there.
54:06Um
54:06I mean, you one or the other.
54:08I don't think so.
54:10I I just I can't
54:12I don't think so. Cuz I mean, I know the
54:14way my wife is
54:15at our house she wouldn't want my old
54:17girlfriends there, you know. So, I don't
54:19know if maybe she had the same mentality
54:21towards you if as far as you and her
54:23being
54:24being welcome there, you know, cuz it's
54:26You know what?
54:28If somebody said I was there when they
54:29were there, then that's possible, but I
54:31just I
54:32I don't recall. I mean, I don't think
54:34so. I don't I It's not sounding
54:36familiar.
54:38Yeah, cuz I guess basically I'm asking
54:39is you know, were you ever welcome to
54:40the house like you know, "Hey, Oh, come
54:42over?" Yeah, come on over. Having a
54:44barbecue, you know,
54:47a dinner party, Christmas party,
54:48whatever.
54:50I don't know. You don't know? I'm just
54:51trying to think.
54:55You know, like I said, because there was
54:57so many of us that
54:59the the two Dianes,
55:01um Jim Jascul, Roy, um Smita, this girl
55:04Smita, another friend of ours Beth.
55:07She uh passed It seems like everybody I
55:09know passed passing away.
55:11Um she passed away. She was a child
55:13diabetic and and got very ill. Um We
55:17would all socialize. Um Like I said, I
55:19don't think John ever s-
55:21It's hard I don't want to say he never
55:22socialized with us.
55:24Um
55:27You know, it it's been I I'd have to go
55:29almost go back and look at pictures
55:30because I take pictures. I mean, I
55:32usually when I have I go to functions,
55:35I've 10,000 pictures, okay? I'm a
55:37picture nut.
55:40Let me ask when you were seeing John,
55:41would you
55:43I I take it he would pick you up in his
55:44car or you go in her you know, your car,
55:46things of that nature
55:48when you guys would go out?
55:50Well, yeah, I mean,
55:51Do you remember what he what he drove?
55:55Well, I know at one time he drove either
55:57a 240 or 260Z.
56:01Any other cars that stand out in your
56:02mind?
56:04Mm.
56:12Mm.
56:14I
56:15I don't know how long he drove that 240
56:16or 260Z for. Um and the only reason I
56:19say that is cuz I think
56:22I may have a picture of it um
56:24with him in it. Um
56:27What kind of car did you have back then?
56:31Let's see.
56:32What year?
56:33Or are you like one of those young cops
56:35that's like, "Oh, I got a paycheck and
56:36bought a new car" or
56:37No, no, no. I've only had like a few
56:38cars in my whole life.
56:40So, what you have when you came on the
56:41job?
56:45You know, my first car was a '68
56:47Chevelle.
56:49Mm, '68 Chevelle.
56:53And then I had
56:56a Toyota.
57:01Mm.
57:02Some kind of a Toyota.
57:04Um
57:06hatchback, but I forget what the name of
57:07it was.
57:09Um Like a Corolla or Tercel or
57:12Tercel. Something like that.
57:13Tercel. Yeah. And then I had my truck.
57:17Did you ever have any problems with your
57:17cars?
57:21Like what?
57:22Just anything in general, you know, car
57:24wrecks, anything stolen.
57:26Yeah, no, my car's never been stolen.
57:28Oh,
57:29no, crashed,
57:30hit and run.
57:32Um
57:35uh
57:37I mean, my Tercel was hit and run. Like
57:39again, I got I got pictures of the hit
57:41and runs. Um
57:43Yeah, I don't think any of my cars had
57:44ever been stolen. No.
57:46My cars haven't been stolen.
57:49Broken into.
57:52Um
57:52None of that, huh?
57:53Oh, yeah, they my cars have been broken
57:55into.
57:56Um
57:59you know,
58:00but no cars have ever been stolen. Mhm.
58:06How long Well, when Tell me about this
58:07uh car getting broken into.
58:10Well, my car's been broken into several
58:11times. Oh, really?
58:14Did you ever lose anything or
58:16Yeah.
58:18Now that you mention it,
58:20let's see.
58:22I had a gun that was stolen. Mhm.
58:25Um I had other stuff that was stolen.
58:27Not your duty gun, was it?
58:29No. That's good.
58:31Um Was it ever recovered?
58:34I don't know. No, I don't think so. Not
58:36that I know of.
58:37Never been notified? No. Car's been
58:39broken into
58:41Yeah, several times. Where did that
58:43happen when your gun was taken?
58:50Trying to remember.
58:53I'm sure you guys must know.
58:56Um
58:58Cuz my car was broken into in Ventura.
59:04Think it's Santa Monica. I have
59:06relatives that live in Santa Monica and
59:07Venice.
59:09Um Who lives there?
59:10My uncle. Well, I had I had several
59:12uncles.
59:13Um
59:17Yeah. Could have been Santa Monica.
59:19Um Venice.
59:21My My car's been broken into in Ventura
59:23before.
59:25So.
59:26Is your mom still around or Mhm. Yeah.
59:29Your dad?
59:30Yeah. Like I don't really have that much
59:33of a relationship with my dad. Oh.
59:36So,
59:37I couldn't tell you where he lives if
59:38you're you want to know. Oh, really?
59:40No. Mhm.
59:42Yeah, I couldn't tell you.
59:44Well,
59:46like I said, as we were looking at the
59:47case and you know, we had read the notes
59:49as far as from
59:52Sherry's friend saying
59:54you you guys had problems or words and
59:57they got heated.
59:59You know, and the reason why I'm asking
1:00:00you is
1:00:01they mentioned that an incident at her
1:00:02work that occurred.
1:00:04And they've also told us that an
1:00:06incident at her house occurred.
1:00:10You know what? And this is at her house
1:00:12during the period of time that they're
1:00:14married.
1:00:17That's just not sounding familiar at
1:00:18all. I mean, I you know what? I
1:00:22That's just not sound I I I
1:00:24again, if someone says that I was at her
1:00:26house and I had an incident with her,
1:00:29I you know, I that just doesn't sound I
1:00:31I I I I
1:00:33You know, was John there? Did John say
1:00:34this happened because and other people
1:00:36were there? I I
1:00:37I just I don't recall. I mean, it just
1:00:40doesn't sound, you know, familiar. And
1:00:42this is an incident where you showed up,
1:00:46you weren't supposed to show up
1:00:48and
1:00:49things got heated.
1:00:50At his house? Yes.
1:00:54It that I you know, I that just doesn't
1:00:57sound familiar. I mean,
1:00:59I I you know, it's not sounding
1:01:01familiar.
1:01:02It's not at all. Now you're saying it's
1:01:04not familiar cuz it's just something you
1:01:05remember or it's just
1:01:07you know what? I would have then I'd
1:01:08have to say I don't remember cuz I don't
1:01:10remember. I need that doesn't sound
1:01:12familiar. I
1:01:14I mean, would you remember something
1:01:15like that in your life if Well, I would
1:01:17think but
1:01:18drama involving, you know,
1:01:20the other woman type of thing. Did you
1:01:22ever fight with her?
1:01:23You mean like we fought?
1:01:24Yeah, did you ever duke it out with her?
1:01:27No, I don't think so. I mean, You'd
1:01:29remember that, right? That would be
1:01:30pretty Yeah, I would think so. I mean,
1:01:33pretty specific and Yeah, like I said, I
1:01:34mean, obviously
1:01:37I
1:01:38You know, I mean,
1:01:39it just doesn't sound familiar.
1:01:42I mean, I mean, what are they saying?
1:01:44So, I I I fought with her. So, so now I
1:01:46mean, I I I I I'm
1:01:47getting the jump of the leap.
1:01:50Excuse me, I haven't eaten. Um
1:01:52they're saying, "Okay, I fought with
1:01:53her, so I must have killed her."
1:01:55I mean, come on. I mean, that's,
1:01:58you know,
1:02:00I don't even know who these people are.
1:02:01I I can't even say I met any of these
1:02:03people. I mean, that's it's insane.
1:02:05I I
1:02:06If it happened, I honestly don't
1:02:08remember it.
1:02:10That's all I can tell you. I mean,
1:02:12I mean, both
1:02:13I don't know if you can
1:02:14would it be something you would
1:02:15remember? I mean, cuz it's I don't know
1:02:17if any other
1:02:19intense incidents in your life that have
1:02:20occurred. I mean, you'd recall those,
1:02:22right? I mean, Well,
1:02:24like a use of force at work or car
1:02:26crash, something you're involved in,
1:02:27you'd be like, "Yeah, I remember this."
1:02:29I would remember. I mean, I would think
1:02:30if it was something that crazy, I mean,
1:02:33I I I I can't say I you say, "How many
1:02:35fights have you gotten into, you know,
1:02:37in your life?"
1:02:39You know, I mean, a few at work.
1:02:41Well, fights at work are kind of
1:02:42different cuz we've all had uses of
1:02:43force or whatever, but I mean,
1:02:45even had even a lot of those. I mean,
1:02:46Right, but if you're if you're actually,
1:02:48you know, I mean, I played
1:02:49Like if if Dan and I got mad at each
1:02:51other and we threw blows in the squad
1:02:52room, I mean, 20 years later, I I would
1:02:54remember it. I mean, I would think I
1:02:56would remember it, but that's that's
1:02:57what I'm saying, that's not sounding
1:02:59familiar to me. At all. I mean, I
1:03:02Let me ask you. I mean, throughout your
1:03:04life,
1:03:06you know, would you remember the number
1:03:08of fights you've been involved in?
1:03:10And I don't mean kind of like a bump or
1:03:11something, just a a physical fight where
1:03:13you
1:03:15everybody's hitting each other,
1:03:16scratching, pulling, you know, whatever.
1:03:19Maybe. I mean, I can't say I've been in
1:03:21a lot. You know, I played sports. Yeah.
1:03:24You know, you get into scuffles there
1:03:25and
1:03:26Mhm.
1:03:27um
1:03:28And you recall some of those, right? I
1:03:29mean, just
1:03:30Yeah, I can recall some of them.
1:03:32Game get Yeah, games get intense, you
1:03:33know. But like I said, this you saying
1:03:35this this is just not ringing a bell. I
1:03:37mean, but you know,
1:03:39I don't know what to tell you. It's it's
1:03:41just that's just not ringing a bell to
1:03:42me.
1:03:43It'd be something I would think I would
1:03:46remember. I mean, I'm
1:03:48If you're in this
1:03:49other girl's house and
1:03:51But
1:03:51words are exchanged, I mean, you figure
1:03:53you recall. I would think.
1:03:55Especially if it got physical, right?
1:03:57Well, I would think. And it's really
1:04:00relating to
1:04:01you know, a guy that you were dating and
1:04:03but she's dating now, you know, and it's
1:04:04just like a whole
1:04:06love triangle type of thing. I mean, you
1:04:08figure you'd remember that, right? Well,
1:04:09I would think.
1:04:13So,
1:04:16I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
1:04:17Yeah.
1:04:18No, cuz I'm I mean, I'm trying to I'm
1:04:20looking at the notes and these people
1:04:22are kind of
1:04:24I mean, they're pointing the finger at
1:04:25you. Well, and
1:04:27I mean,
1:04:28that's not ringing a bell to me, so
1:04:31you know, I don't know you know,
1:04:34it's
1:04:36I don't know what to tell you. I mean,
1:04:37that just sounds crazy to me. Yeah, so
1:04:39you offhand, you don't recall ever going
1:04:41into her house and
1:04:43having words and physically,
1:04:45you know, No, I mean,
1:04:47attacking her, her attacking you. No.
1:04:49Nothing like that? No, I mean, that's
1:04:51no.
1:04:52Nothing?
1:04:53No.
1:04:54No.
1:04:55Not at all. Okay.
1:04:58Well, on some of the
1:05:00uh on this case,
1:05:01you know,
1:05:02this is occurring in like '86,
1:05:05right? Uh
1:05:06detectives processed the scene, things
1:05:08of that nature.
1:05:09Uh
1:05:10they did fingerprints and all that
1:05:12stuff, you know, that you you know the
1:05:13standard stuff. I mean, you've been been
1:05:14doing this longer than I have.
1:05:16Uh well, not about that.
1:05:18I got 25 years on
1:05:20going on 26. 19, so.
1:05:23But,
1:05:25you know, as they processed everything,
1:05:27uh they did the best they could at that
1:05:28time and they looked at a lot of a lot
1:05:29of people and different things in this
1:05:31case.
1:05:32And you're right.
1:05:33you guys are claiming that I'm a
1:05:34suspect, then you know, I I got a
1:05:36problem with you know, with that. Okay.
1:05:39Okay? So,
1:05:41you know, if you're if you're doing this
1:05:43as an interrogation, you're saying,
1:05:44"Hey, I'm a suspect." Well, I now I got
1:05:46a problem with you know, now you're
1:05:48accusing me of this.
1:05:49Is that what you're Is that what you're
1:05:50saying?
1:05:52We're trying to figure out what
1:05:53happened, Stephanie.
1:05:55I Well, I'm I was, you know, I'm just
1:05:57saying.
1:05:58I you know,
1:06:00do I need to get a lawyer if you're
1:06:01accusing me of this?
1:06:02I
1:06:02You know, You don't have to I mean, you
1:06:04know, you're here of your own free will.
1:06:06I mean,
1:06:06No, well, I know, but I
1:06:07You know, you're not you're not under
1:06:08arrest. You can walk out whenever you
1:06:09want.
1:06:09whenever you like. Well,
1:06:11you know, I
1:06:12I'm trying to give you some background
1:06:13of you know, how I knew him.
1:06:15And now you're telling me that some
1:06:17somebody's saying that we had this big
1:06:19old fight and I don't even know what
1:06:21you're talking about. Um you know, and I
1:06:23don't want to you know, get in trouble
1:06:25for something that I didn't even do or
1:06:27you're saying I did something.
1:06:29Okay. We understand.
1:06:31I mean, how would you guys like it if
1:06:32the tables were turned on you?
1:06:34I understand. No,
1:06:35No, that's what we're telling you. I
1:06:36mean, you're free to go whenever you
1:06:37want. If if this makes you uncomfortable
1:06:39and you want to you want to
1:06:40you're starting to make me
1:06:41uncomfortable.
1:06:42The thing is, I mean, detectives did
1:06:44what they could at that time on the
1:06:45crime scene. Okay? And and the burglary
1:06:47thing you're talking about, that is an
1:06:48angle that they looked at.
1:06:50I know, but now we're looking at
1:06:51everything else on the case cuz nobody
1:06:53was ever arrested on the case.
1:06:55I
1:06:55I don't know that or not. Okay.
1:06:59Now, what we'd like to do is
1:07:02obviously, you know about all the DNA
1:07:03stuff and things of the nature that, you
1:07:05know, gets done on cases nowadays.
1:07:07You know, if we asked you for a a DNA
1:07:09swab, would you be willing to give us
1:07:10one? Maybe.
1:07:13Cuz now now now Yeah, because now
1:07:16now I'm thinking I probably need to talk
1:07:18to a lawyer.
1:07:19Okay. I mean,
1:07:21What? I cuz I know how this stuff works,
1:07:23okay? Don't get me wrong, you're right,
1:07:24I have been doing this a long time.
1:07:25Yeah. And and I wish I had been
1:07:27recording this because cuz now it sounds
1:07:29like you know, there's
1:07:32you know, you're telling these people
1:07:33say I'm a fighting with her and now you
1:07:35sounds like you're trying to you know,
1:07:37I've been doing this a long time.
1:07:38Yeah, we know.
1:07:39Okay? And then and now it almost sounds
1:07:41like you're trying to pin something on
1:07:42me. Now I got that sense. Well, what it
1:07:44gets to on these on these cases and you
1:07:46know it as well as I do. Our job is to
1:07:48identify and eliminate suspects.
1:07:49I can't believe this. So, if we ask you
1:07:51to a point to give us a DNA sample,
1:07:54a buccal swab so we can
1:07:57identify or eliminate you,
1:07:58would you be willing to do that? Maybe.
1:08:01Cuz I know this I I I I That's where
1:08:03we're at, too. I mean, because
1:08:06right now, from looking at the evidence,
1:08:08it's, you know, it's possible we may
1:08:10have some DNA at the location.
1:08:12That's great. And
1:08:15we're going to do what we can to try to
1:08:16put this thing together.
1:08:18And your name's in the book. These
1:08:20people are pointing at you for whatever
1:08:22reason. I don't know why. That's just
1:08:24crazy. I mean, that's just that's
1:08:26absolutely crazy. And
1:08:28it would be irresponsible on our part
1:08:30not to look at it.
1:08:31I know. Are you guys have to do your job
1:08:33and I guess I'm going to have to contact
1:08:34somebody. So, That's fair. I mean,
1:08:37cuz I know how this stuff works. I mean,
1:08:39I I I I I just can't believe it. That's
1:08:43I mean, we we understand that. I mean,
1:08:44if we were in your position, I mean, we
1:08:46would feel the same way.
1:08:48I just can't even believe it.
1:08:50I mean, it's just
1:08:51I mean, I'm shocked. I'm really shocked.
1:08:54That somebody would be blame saying that
1:08:55I did this. I mean, we had a fight and
1:08:57so I went and killed her. I mean, come
1:08:59on. Well, that's
1:09:01Okay.
1:09:03All right. Well, thanks for giving me
1:09:04the courtesy. I wish I
1:09:06could have recorded this. Thanks for
1:09:07your time. Yeah, thank you. All right,
1:09:09Stephanie, take care. All right.
1:11:13This is absolutely crazy. Have a seat,
1:11:15Stephanie.
1:11:18This is insane.
1:11:19Okay.
1:11:27Give me 1 second.
1:11:32Okay.
1:11:34Stephanie, you know you have the right
1:11:35to remain silent. Do you understand?
1:11:36Yes.
1:11:37Anything you say may be used against you
1:11:39in court. Do you understand? Yes. You
1:11:41have the right to the presence of an
1:11:42attorney before and during any
1:11:43questioning. Do you understand? Yes.
1:11:45If you cannot afford an attorney, one
1:11:47will be appointed for you free of charge
1:11:48before any questioning if you want. Do
1:11:50you understand? Yes.
1:11:52Do you want to talk to us right now? No.
1:11:54Okay.
1:11:55All right.
1:11:55Okay. This is crazy. This is absolutely
1:11:58I'm like I'm like in shock. I'm totally
1:12:00in shock.

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