Start a Cleaning Business With $1,000 — Transcript
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- 0:00- Welcome to an episode of Upflip.
- 0:01We are here in Bellingham, Washington
- 0:03with Mount Baker Window cleanings, Jackson Blackburn.
- 0:06Jackson, so good to be with you.
- 0:07- Yeah, you as well, Caleb.
- 0:08- All right, well, let's get into it.
- 0:09Let's hear your story.
- 0:10So when did you start your cleaning company,
- 0:12and what caused you
- 0:13to get into the window cleaning business?
- 0:15- Yeah, great question.
- 0:16So I began Mount Baker Window cleaning company
- 0:18back in the fall of 2017.
- 0:20And what caused me to get into it
- 0:22was actually more of a need than,
- 0:25"Oh, I'm going to go create this window cleaning business."
- 0:27- [Caleb] Okay.
- 0:28- It was more of a necessity
- 0:29because I had a lot of seasonal jobs prior to that
- 0:33where I'd maybe be there for three months, six months.
- 0:36I was moving across the country
- 0:37to all of these different jobs,
- 0:39trying all these different things,
- 0:40and none of them really clicked for me.
- 0:42And so after years of doing that, I was very tired.
- 0:45I got beat down, and a little defeated, to be honest,
- 0:48of switching jobs all the time.
- 0:50And so there came a point where I realized,
- 0:53I need to do something for myself.
- 0:54I need to be my own boss and make my own decisions.
- 0:57- Okay.
- 0:58Before you got to the point where you're at now,
- 1:00did you have anybody who helped you along the way?
- 1:02- Yeah, absolutely.
- 1:04I actually hired a business coach a couple years ago.
- 1:07His name is David Moerman,
- 1:08and he owns Home Service Business Coach.
- 1:11He was able to help me triple my revenue, essentially.
- 1:14- Hold that.
- 1:15Hey guys, if you want to find out how a single mentor
- 1:18took him from 400,000 to a million dollars per year,
- 1:21stay around.
- 1:22We're going to find out how a single mentor
- 1:24shifted his business.
- 1:26All right, briefly talk us through some of the services
- 1:28that you offer.
- 1:29- Yeah, absolutely.
- 1:30So we are full exterior cleaners,
- 1:31so we'll take care of anything from the roof
- 1:34down to the concrete.
- 1:35That's going to include roof cleaning,
- 1:36gutter cleaning, window cleaning, sidings,
- 1:39yeah, concrete, flat surfaces.
- 1:41- [Caleb] Uh-huh.
- 1:41- We want to be able to take care of your entire property,
- 1:44whether it's commercial or residential.
- 1:46- Okay, and what's the most popular services you offer?
- 1:48- I would say window cleaning is our most popular service.
- 1:51We clean windows every day,
- 1:53and typically we're cleaning windows
- 1:54at every single job that we do.
- 1:55- What are your most profitable jobs, and why?
- 1:58- Yeah, so our most profitable jobs are jobs
- 2:00that we can be at for an extended period of time.
- 2:03If you're constantly moving your truck around all day
- 2:05from job site to job site,
- 2:06then that means that your technicians
- 2:08are spending less time actually producing revenue.
- 2:11So the longer you could stay one site-
- 2:13- [Caleb] Yeah.
- 2:14- The more profit you're going to be able to produce there.
- 2:15And we can do this through upselling different services.
- 2:19- (Snaps) Upselling, hey, a $200 job is good,
- 2:22but a $2,000 job is great.
- 2:24Stay around to find out how Jackson uses a multiplier method
- 2:27to increase revenue.
- 2:29All right, changing gears a bit here.
- 2:30Heading to a supply store named-
- 2:33- [Jackson] Bay City Supply.
- 2:34- Bay City Supply, how far away from the warehouse is it?
- 2:36- Oh. it's just right around the corner.
- 2:38- [Caleb] Just a couple minute walk?
- 2:39- Yeah, yeah, we're going to be there in a second.
- 2:40It's actually where I got all the supplies
- 2:42to start window cleaning.
- 2:44- Really?
- 2:44All right.
- 2:45We're doing blitz questions.
- 2:46You got 10 seconds to answer these.
- 2:47Can you do it?
- 2:48- You got it.
- 2:49- Here we go.
- 2:50WebMD asks, "If you started out as a solo operator,
- 2:53"when did you know whether the time was right
- 2:54"for you to hire your first employee?"
- 2:56- Yeah, I'd say if you have enough work on the schedule
- 2:58to support yourself, you probably have enough work
- 3:00on the schedule to support a full-time employee.
- 3:02- Okay, hey, good job.
- 3:04All right, next question is from Question Everything.
- 3:07They're asking, "What are the first five things you need
- 3:09"to start the cleaning business, besides the tools
- 3:11"to do the actual cleaning?
- 3:13- Oh, I would say a website.
- 3:15You're going to want a golf shirt.
- 3:16- [Caleb] A golf shirt? - Oh, yeah.
- 3:18With your logo on it so that you can actually
- 3:19go be professional and drive sales.
- 3:23You're going to need a truck.
- 3:25I guess that's a piece of equipment,
- 3:27but we're going to go with the truck.
- 3:28(both laugh)
- 3:28Number four is going to be
- 3:30a customer relations management system, a CRM.
- 3:32You're going to need a CRM to manage
- 3:34all of your clients' information.
- 3:36Lastly, you're going to need other pieces of marketing.
- 3:39So maybe that is flyers, door hangers, brochures.
- 3:43- Mm-hmm.
- 3:43Next question is from Matthew Yates.
- 3:45He asks, "How did you not give up?
- 3:46"Especially when the light at the end of the tunnel
- 3:48"seems so far away?"
- 3:50- So I had no option.
- 3:51You know, I did not come into this business with money.
- 3:55- [Caleb] Uh-huh.
- 3:56- And so I had bills to pay.
- 3:56I needed to get by.
- 3:57I needed to get my rent paid on time.
- 3:58(Caleb laughs)
- 3:59And so I didn't have a choice.
- 4:00Like I actually needed to keep going.
- 4:02- Good job.
- 4:03Next question is Rosetta Hutchinson asking,
- 4:05"How did you get your clients?"
- 4:07- Yeah, so my first clients I got
- 4:09was all through door hangers.
- 4:10I went down to a local print store.
- 4:12I printed out about a thousand
- 4:14of these really thick index cards
- 4:16that I would spend all night punching holes through
- 4:18and putting rubber bands through.
- 4:20- Wow.
- 4:20- And I spent an entire fall putting those
- 4:23in the neighborhoods that I wanted to work in.
- 4:25- Okay, good job, you did it.
- 4:28So we're at Bay City now,
- 4:29and what I love is that you started your business
- 4:32just on a thousand dollars, is that right?
- 4:33- Yeah.
- 4:34- Is that typical for this industry?
- 4:35- I think a lot of people do start with more,
- 4:37but you can certainly start
- 4:38with as little as a thousand dollars.
- 4:40- Okay, okay, would you be able to show us what we need?
- 4:42- For sure, let's go.
- 4:43- Okay, let's go
- 4:47- Okay, let's start grabbing things.
- 4:48So just get everything that we need
- 4:50to start our window cleaning business,
- 4:51and tell us how much it costs.
- 4:52- So first thing that you're going to need
- 4:54is a squeegee here.
- 4:55So this squeegee might run you $30 total
- 4:58for the channel, the rubber, and the handle.
- 5:01You're obviously going to need these
- 5:02if you want to clean windows.
- 5:04- All right, let's get it in the cart.
- 5:05- Second thing you're going to need
- 5:07is what we call a t-bar and a scrubber.
- 5:10So this is what you're going to actually use
- 5:12to apply solution to the window,
- 5:13and then you're going to be able
- 5:15to squeegee it off the glass with your squeegee.
- 5:17A t-bar and a scrubber pad might cost another $25.
- 5:21The next thing you're going to want is a razor.
- 5:23These razors might run you $30 for the razor
- 5:26and the pack of razors.
- 5:27These are used to scrape debris
- 5:29that have adhered to the window for a number of years.
- 5:32Next thing you're going to need is a fine Brillo pad.
- 5:36This is also used to get debris off the window
- 5:38that might be stubborn, that won't come off
- 5:40with just your scrubber pads.
- 5:42So Brillo pads, these will probably run you 2-3 dollars.
- 5:45All right, next thing you're going to need
- 5:46are some microfiber towels.
- 5:48This will help you detail the window
- 5:49and also clean any excess liquid or solution
- 5:53off the glass or window sills.
- 5:55You might wanna look into spending around $50
- 5:57on microfibers, so you have a little bit of extra ones.
- 5:59You're also going to want a bucket,
- 6:01something like one of these.
- 6:03This might run you $40,
- 6:05and this will actually help you keep solution in there.
- 6:07So you can keep your scrubber pad wet, nice and soaped up.
- 6:11This is a great first bucket to get.
- 6:14You can keep your solution on one side
- 6:16and some extra tools on the other side to keep them dry.
- 6:18These will run you around $45.
- 6:20- So what else is going to make up
- 6:22that thousand dollar initial investment?
- 6:23- Yeah, so you're going to want a ladder.
- 6:25You know, that's going to be really essential
- 6:26to get those hard-to-reach windows.
- 6:27Second thing you're going to want is a golf shirt, okay?
- 6:30Something like a nice polo with your logo on it,
- 6:32so you can be presentable when you're out selling jobs
- 6:34and meeting clients.
- 6:35The third thing you're going to want
- 6:37is a well-designed logo,
- 6:38that's going to be a good representation
- 6:40of your brand and your company.
- 6:42You can spend maybe $50 and get this designed
- 6:45on a website
- 6:46like Fiverr or Upwork. - Mm-hmm.
- 6:48- The last thing you're going to want
- 6:49is some marketing material.
- 6:50So I would suggest putting as much money
- 6:52as you have left over into buying some door hangers
- 6:55that you can then go put into the neighborhoods
- 6:57that you want to be working in.
- 6:58- Okay.
- 6:59The lawn care industry is another great opportunity
- 7:01for outdoor service businesses.
- 7:03So if you're looking to get into that
- 7:05and want to make $200,000 a year,
- 7:07go listen to our Episode 5 on the Upflip Podcast,
- 7:08where we hear from Legends Lawncare founder.
- 7:12Go check it out.
- 7:13- All right.
- 7:15So Caleb, welcome to our office.
- 7:17This is where
- 7:18all the magic happens. - Ooh, like it.
- 7:19- Yeah.
- 7:20- What is your projected revenue for 2023,
- 7:22and how did the profit margins break down for that?
- 7:24- Yeah, so we're going to be aiming
- 7:25for 1.1 million in revenue for 2023.
- 7:28- Whoa.
- 7:29- Yeah, and we are aiming for about a 20% profit margin.
- 7:32And that profit margin is after I'm paid,
- 7:36our managers are paid, that's what's left in the bank
- 7:38to help reinvest into the business.
- 7:40- Is that typical for the window cleaning industry,
- 7:4220% profit margin?
- 7:44- You know, I think that is a really good place to aim for.
- 7:46I think a lot of people fail to achieve that,
- 7:48because they haven't budgeted for the year well.
- 7:50So they'll either overspend in marketing or equipment,
- 7:54or they'll pay themselves too high,
- 7:56and they won't actually have money left over
- 7:58to reinvest-
- 7:59- [Caleb] Mm-hmm.
- 7:59- [Jackson] back into the business at the end of the year.
- 8:01- Okay.
- 8:02Hey, Upflip family, is starting a cleaning business
- 8:04sounding good for the low initial expenses and big payoff?
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- 8:42Okay, Jackson, where to?
- 8:43- Yeah, so we're going to head off to a job site
- 8:47that the guys are at right now.
- 8:48They're doing a little bit of roof, gutter cleaning,
- 8:50and I think some window cleaning.
- 8:51So let's go check out what they're up to.
- 8:53- All right, let's go.
- 8:54Where are we at and what are we doing here?
- 8:56- Yeah, we are in beautiful Ferndale, Washington,
- 8:59and as you can see, we've got a client's house behind us.
- 9:01We're going to be washing the roof,
- 9:02we're going to be killing some moss that's on the roof,
- 9:05and also preventing it from growing back,
- 9:07as well as cleaning the gutters and their exterior windows.
- 9:11- All right, can we check out your truck?
- 9:12- Yeah, absolutely.
- 9:13So this is one of our trucks that we use for soft washing.
- 9:17This truck is designed for small to medium soft wash jobs.
- 9:21So anything larger, we've got a bigger trailer
- 9:24that's actually going to take care of those kind of jobs.
- 9:26So this truck is designed for a house this size.
- 9:29So this truck can come out, we can take care of the roof,
- 9:32we can do the siding, can pressure wash the driveway.
- 9:34This truck can really do it all
- 9:36for anything that's medium-sized.
- 9:38- So we were just checking out at the hardware store
- 9:40stuff to get into the business.
- 9:41What are the other must-haves once you step up
- 9:44to like some bigger gear like this?
- 9:46- Yeah, absolutely.
- 9:47Some equipment that you have to have
- 9:49would be a soft wash system, okay?
- 9:51If you're going to be washing roofs,
- 9:53you're going to be washing siding,
- 9:54you're going to want to be able to spray chemical
- 9:56and have a soft wash system.
- 9:58And so this is a 12-volt soft wash pump,
- 10:01and it is an electrical pump
- 10:02that is powered by a switch right here.
- 10:04You can actually see, this is our proportioner.
- 10:06We can adjust the different levels of chemicals,
- 10:09soap, and water that are coming out of the end of the hose.
- 10:11So, you know, the percentage that you use on a roof
- 10:13is going to be different than the percentage
- 10:15that you use on siding- - Yeah.
- 10:16- and you can easily control that all right here.
- 10:18- Okay, and what are you spraying on the roofs?
- 10:20- Yeah, so sodium hypochlorite
- 10:22is what we're spraying on the roof.
- 10:23And then we also mix that
- 10:24with something called a surfactant,
- 10:25which is going to help let that chemical sit up there-
- 10:28- [Caleb] Okay.
- 10:29- And do its job longer than, you know,
- 10:31if you were to spray without it.
- 10:32- Okay.
- 10:33Jackson, I can tell you run things excellently around here.
- 10:35So going to your customer experience and
- 10:38how that customer experience contributes to your success.
- 10:41- Yeah, absolutely.
- 10:42We like to really focus on our customer service here.
- 10:44So we actually believe
- 10:45that we are a customer service-based business
- 10:47that happens to clean windows.
- 10:49When you call into our office,
- 10:50you're going to get someone on the phone
- 10:52that is happy to talk to you,
- 10:53happy to answer your questions, get you on the schedule,
- 10:56get you on the books, and help just deliver this experience
- 11:00that you're not going to get
- 11:01with another window cleaner in the area
- 11:03that might be too busy to answer their phone,
- 11:05maybe they're up on a ladder.
- 11:06We actually have dedicated people in our office
- 11:09that are ready to help you.
- 11:10- Okay.
- 11:11All right, we got some window cleaning going on behind us.
- 11:13And my next question is, Jackson,
- 11:15what is one thing that you wish that you would've known
- 11:18before you got started in your business?
- 11:19- So I probably would've chose a different name.
- 11:22So obviously we're called
- 11:23Mount Baker Window Cleaning Company,
- 11:25and that does two things.
- 11:26That limits where we're going to be working,
- 11:30and that also limits our services, right?
- 11:32So I've actually named a location,
- 11:33and I've named the services that we're going to be doing,
- 11:35which is great if you're just trying to stay localized
- 11:38as a business, but it stunts our growth.
- 11:40We can't go franchise, we can't go expand into other places
- 11:42with a name that's localized like that.
- 11:45Whereas if I chose a name that isn't specific
- 11:48to a location with a broader reach,
- 11:49let's just take for example, you know,
- 11:52Trojan Property Services could be, you know,
- 11:54could be the name of a theoretical company.
- 11:56Now you're not limited to one location,
- 11:58and you're not limiting your services.
- 12:00So property services, what's under the umbrella of that?
- 12:02Well, there's many things that you can do
- 12:04with a name like that.
- 12:05- How would you describe your company culture,
- 12:07and how has that helped your business?
- 12:09- Yeah, absolutely.
- 12:10So we're really big into our company culture here.
- 12:12I would say it's one of the biggest factors
- 12:15that we've got going for us.
- 12:16So, you know, I started this business years ago
- 12:19to be able to afford my time
- 12:21to go snowboarding, mountain biking, snowmobiling.
- 12:24So I wanted a way that I could have the time
- 12:27and also the money to go do the things that I love.
- 12:29And so now today, we want to provide that
- 12:32for everyone that works for us, you know?
- 12:34So that's why we're paying them above an industry standard.
- 12:36We've got a four day work week.
- 12:37We want to give our employees the resources
- 12:41so that they can also go pursue their love
- 12:43for recreation and the outdoors.
- 12:45And then we bring that around full circle
- 12:47by giving back to charities that help other people
- 12:50in our area get outside.
- 12:52So that would be the Baker 542 Ride Special Olympics team.
- 12:56You know, we donate money to them
- 12:57to help them get on the slope,
- 12:59as well as the Whatcom Mountain Bike Coalition.
- 13:01That's a group that actually builds and maintains
- 13:04mountain bike trails in Whatcom County.
- 13:05So everything we're doing
- 13:07is for ourselves and the community to get outside.
- 13:10- Cool.
- 13:11So you've become a coach yourself.
- 13:13So what are the benefits of providing mentorship
- 13:16as a business owner?
- 13:16- Yeah, so I absolutely love working
- 13:18for Home Service Business Coach.
- 13:20The people that we have in our group,
- 13:22in our program, are so fantastic to be around.
- 13:25We've got this community full of motivated entrepreneurs
- 13:29who are on the same journey
- 13:30to grow and scale their business.
- 13:31And so being able to connect with them
- 13:33in our weekly Zoom meetings,
- 13:35it's just a fantastic opportunity
- 13:37to be around such high energy.
- 13:39- How did you get into coaching?
- 13:41- So I became a coach after David saw the success
- 13:45that his teachings actually gave me.
- 13:47So I was able to quickly turn around the systems
- 13:50that he taught me, implement them into my own business
- 13:52and scale at a very high speed.
- 13:55And so within about a year, or actually a little less
- 13:59than a year of me joining his program,
- 14:01he actually turned around and made me a coach.
- 14:04- Oh, okay.
- 14:05There you go.
- 14:06Are people getting their windows cleaned
- 14:07every month of the year?
- 14:08How does your revenue vary between the the different months?
- 14:10- So it's definitely a seasonal business,
- 14:12and we're going to have our highs and our lows.
- 14:14I would say that on our best month,
- 14:16that we're doing around $120,000,
- 14:18and then in the dead of winter,
- 14:20we can do as little as $20,000.
- 14:21- Wow, okay. - So you can see,
- 14:23it's either really low or really high.
- 14:25And so we learn how to just ride these waves.
- 14:28- What are some of the ways that you make up
- 14:29for that lost revenue during the winter season?
- 14:31What are the techniques that you use?
- 14:33- Yeah, so one thing that we started doing
- 14:35is holiday light installation.
- 14:37So we have a holiday light leasing program,
- 14:39which means that we actually store the lights.
- 14:41We do everything for the clients.
- 14:42It's a very white glove service-
- 14:43- Mm-hmm. - so they don't even need
- 14:44- to think about it - Yeah.
- 14:45- Other than picking up the phone to call us in the fall.
- 14:47We'll take care of everything for them, from design,
- 14:49installation, removal, maintenance, and storage.
- 14:53And that has been great for our team,
- 14:55because now we're able to keep people busy
- 14:58through November, December, and then take-downs in January.
- 15:00So it really adds like three more months to, you know,
- 15:03what might be an eight-month seasonal business.
- 15:06- So if somebody's just starting out,
- 15:07and they need to get all these supplies,
- 15:09is it better to offer a range of services,
- 15:11or just focus on one thing first?
- 15:12- Yeah, so everything that we've gotten here today
- 15:14is going to be specifically for window cleaning.
- 15:17You know, for another $50, you can get a bucket and a scoop
- 15:21and go clean some gutters.
- 15:22- [Caleb] Yeah.
- 15:23- But I would really try and focus on just that window
- 15:25cleaning first, because the other equipment
- 15:27that you're going to need to get into pressure washing
- 15:28or soft washing, is definitely going to cost more money.
- 15:31But if you can get enough jobs and clean enough windows
- 15:34in your first few months, then you can easily expand
- 15:37into offering pressure washing and soft wash services.
- 15:40- Okay, so once you get the basics down,
- 15:41you can just start adding more and more services?
- 15:43- Well, not quite.
- 15:44You really don't want to overextend yourself.
- 15:46You want to be known for being really good at a few things.
- 15:49You know?
- 15:50And for us, that's just cleaning the exterior of homes.
- 15:52You want to keep your business processes
- 15:55as simple as possible if you want to scale.
- 15:57So if I could do everything over again,
- 15:59I would've just jumped straight
- 16:00into roof and gutter cleaning.
- 16:01- [Caleb] Really?
- 16:02Okay. - It is easily
- 16:03the most profitable out of any
- 16:05of our exterior cleaning services.
- 16:07- What's been your biggest mistake as a business owner
- 16:09so far, and what did you learn from it?
- 16:11- Yeah, so I'd say our biggest mistake
- 16:12was not having good systems
- 16:15built around onboarding employees
- 16:16and actually getting them trained up to speed.
- 16:19If you don't have a good training,
- 16:21a good onboarding process set up, good systems around that,
- 16:24then you're going to lose employees, right?
- 16:26And so, on the other hand, if you do have that set up,
- 16:29as soon as an employee comes into your company,
- 16:31you're walking them through the steps
- 16:34and then giving them the tools for them
- 16:36to actually have success at their job.
- 16:38And what that does is actually you're going to increase
- 16:40your retention with your employees.
- 16:42If you can onboard them and train them
- 16:44with proper systems and give them tools,
- 16:46they're going to stick around for a lot longer.
- 16:49- How long do your employees typically stick around?
- 16:50- Yeah, so, you know, maybe a few years ago,
- 16:53we were getting 6, 8, 9 months out of our employees.
- 16:57Currently, most of our employees have been here
- 16:59for over a year.
- 17:00So everyone that was with us last fall
- 17:03has come back for the spring.
- 17:04- Cool.
- 17:05- So we've really worked on retaining our employees
- 17:08and focusing on the things
- 17:10that make this job enjoyable for them.
- 17:12- Mm-hmm.
- 17:13How much does each of these run?
- 17:14So you got the proportioner, you said,
- 17:15and then this pump here.
- 17:17What does that cost?
- 17:18- Yeah, so these pumps are maybe on the higher end,
- 17:21around $700, on the lower end, maybe $400.
- 17:24- Okay.
- 17:25- And to be honest,
- 17:26you have to replace them quite frequently.
- 17:27You know- - Yeah.
- 17:28- We'll maybe go through two pumps a year on this truck.
- 17:32- Mm-hmm.
- 17:33- A proportioner might run you around a thousand dollars
- 17:35on the top end.
- 17:37- Okay, what are some other equipment and their prices?
- 17:39Let's just go through the whole truck here.
- 17:40- Yeah, well, so this whole skid is great
- 17:43because we've got all of our equipment on one thing.
- 17:45So we've got a pressure washer on here.
- 17:46We have a water purification system
- 17:49for our water-fed pole unit,
- 17:51which is this handle right here.
- 17:53- Yeah.
- 17:54- It's going to allow our technicians
- 17:55to actually clean windows from the ground.
- 17:57- Okay. - And keep them safe.
- 17:58Hoses themselves might run $400 for a,
- 18:02you know, 200-foot length. - Yeah.
- 18:05- You could have a setup that's as cheap as a thousand,
- 18:06or you could have a set up that might run you over $6,000
- 18:09for like a dual-user water fed system.
- 18:13However, my advice for anyone getting into the business
- 18:17would not be to go ahead and buy yourself a $20,000 skid
- 18:21right off the bat.
- 18:22- Okay.
- 18:23- You know, you can get all this equipment
- 18:24for a lot cheaper and actually make it yourself.
- 18:27- All right, guys, so you can start off with a simple setup
- 18:29with maybe about a thousand dollars,
- 18:31but if you want to upgrade to the proportioner,
- 18:33it can save you a lot of time.
- 18:34It just costs a little bit of extra money.
- 18:36Now, I know you do a three year plan, is that right?
- 18:38- Yeah.
- 18:39- All right, so talk to us
- 18:40about your vision and your planning
- 18:41and what you plan to do within that timeframe.
- 18:43- Right, so every year we create a new three-year vision.
- 18:46So the last one we made was for 2025.
- 18:48This year we're going to be making one for 2026.
- 18:50The three year vision is a way for us to know
- 18:54where we're heading as a company.
- 18:55So, you know, something that my mentor, David,
- 18:57used to say is, you wouldn't get on a bus
- 18:59if you didn't know where it was going.
- 19:01So why would someone want to join your company,
- 19:02your business, if they didn't know where it was going?
- 19:04So this is a way for us to look into the future and say,
- 19:07"Hey, where do we want to be?"
- 19:09And when we actually construct our three-year vision,
- 19:11we ask for everyone's opinion in the company.
- 19:13We're talking to our managers,
- 19:14we're talking to our technicians.
- 19:15"Hey, where do you guys see us going?
- 19:17"What do you think is and should be our vision
- 19:20"for the future?"
- 19:20- Cool, okay.
- 19:21You get everybody involved.
- 19:22- Yeah, absolutely.
- 19:23- It seems like there's a big problem
- 19:25in hiring for industries lately.
- 19:27Has that been a problem for you guys?
- 19:28- Yeah, hiring for us has actually gotten easier
- 19:31as we have evolved in how we look for employees
- 19:34and what we're able to offer employees.
- 19:35You know, and things that you need to look at
- 19:37are what are you offering them?
- 19:39What are the benefits?
- 19:39What does your job ad look like?
- 19:40And what are they signing up for?
- 19:42Is it just coming out here
- 19:43to maybe clean gutters in the rain?
- 19:45- [Caleb] Yeah.
- 19:46- Or is there a deeper meaning behind the job
- 19:48that they're signing up to do?
- 19:49- Where do you find employees?
- 19:50- Yeah, so we've been actually having a lot of luck
- 19:53finding employees via social media.
- 19:55Our social media platforms actually have a better chance
- 19:58at finding a core value match.
- 19:59- [Caleb] Oh yeah. - Than a, you know,
- 20:01a program like Indeed where you might get-
- 20:03- Yeah. - Very generic responses.
- 20:05- And so you're on social media.
- 20:06Are you using Facebook Ads or just organic posts
- 20:09to reach those people?
- 20:10- For social media, we are using Facebook
- 20:12to reach out to potential clients,
- 20:14but we're actually trying to utilize Instagram
- 20:18to showcase our company culture to help us find employees,
- 20:21since a large part of our business is constantly recruiting.
- 20:24- What's a tip for those Instagram
- 20:26or Facebook advertisements for really capturing somebody
- 20:29that you would want to work for your company?
- 20:31- Yeah, so we're just trying to showcase our employees
- 20:33and what we do here.
- 20:34You know, so the posts that get the most engagement for us
- 20:37are our staff outings.
- 20:38You know, there's a photo of us playing paintball
- 20:40or you know, having a hibachi meal, or you know,
- 20:44we've highlighted our employees in the past
- 20:46with them maybe kayaking or skiing.
- 20:48And those seem to be the posts that do the best for us.
- 20:52- Yeah.
- 20:53All right, Jackson, how many employees do you have?
- 20:55- Yeah, so in our slow season we'll have as little as eight.
- 20:58And then in our busy season, we'll have as many
- 21:00as 12 employees on board.
- 21:02- Okay.
- 21:02And what's your training processes for those employees?
- 21:05- Yeah, good question.
- 21:05So we've created a two-week training process.
- 21:08The first couple days we have them in the office,
- 21:12we're going over video modules that we've created.
- 21:14We're going over PowerPoints, we're testing them,
- 21:17and we're giving them safety training, things like that.
- 21:20And then for the next two days of that first week,
- 21:23we've got our guys actually going out
- 21:26to our operation manager's house
- 21:29and cleaning it top to bottom with us.
- 21:30- Really?
- 21:31- Yeah.
- 21:32So he's got actually the cleanest house in town,
- 21:33because we're constantly cleaning it.
- 21:35And then the second week, what we do is have them shadow.
- 21:38And so they'll slowly start to get their hands on the tools,
- 21:42start cleaning and helping our lead technicians out
- 21:44so that by the third week that they've been onboarded,
- 21:46they're ready to go with the lead technician on their own.
- 21:49- What are some other systems and processes you use
- 21:50to help train up your employees?
- 21:52- Yeah, so we've used a program called Talent LMS,
- 21:56which essentially allows us to make an in-depth module
- 22:00for every service that we offer,
- 22:02in this system- - Oh.
- 22:02- So that we can actually show them a video,
- 22:05give them a PowerPoint presentation,
- 22:06and then test them to see what they retained from it.
- 22:09- This is a physically demanding job
- 22:10with a lot on their plate.
- 22:12So how do you motivate your employees?
- 22:14- Yeah, absolutely.
- 22:15That's a really good question.
- 22:16One of those is through incentives.
- 22:18So we incentivize our employees to get good reviews.
- 22:21We've opened up a tip line for them.
- 22:23And then beyond just those monetized incentives, you know,
- 22:28we've got right behind us, this is our career paths,
- 22:31which actually should be updated for years down the road.
- 22:34You know, we made this poster when we were a lot smaller
- 22:37to show the possible positions that would be opening up.
- 22:39So when someone gets hired on as an assistant technician,
- 22:43we can show them, you know, if you do really well at this,
- 22:45you can become a lead technician.
- 22:46And then if you want to get into any other career path,
- 22:48you know, we're going to have
- 22:49a customer service role available.
- 22:51Maybe you want to do marketing, maybe you want to do sales.
- 22:53We're about development here.
- 22:54- Yeah.
- 22:55- We don't want someone to get hired on
- 22:56as an assistant technician and stay there for years.
- 22:58You know, we want to bring them up through our company,
- 23:00hire within, and develop our talent.
- 23:03- Okay, do you always have people start here,
- 23:06or can somebody jump in here if you see potential in them?
- 23:09- Yeah, so the only role that we've actually ever hired for,
- 23:12from outside of the company would be
- 23:13for a customer service representative.
- 23:15But everyone else has to start as an assistant technician
- 23:18and work their way up.
- 23:19- Okay.
- 23:20How has your role as a business owner changed?
- 23:22- You know, when I first started the business,
- 23:24I was doing everything.
- 23:25Okay, I was the one that was on the truck,
- 23:28I was communicating with clients, I was doing our sales,
- 23:30I was doing our advertising, I was fixing our equipment.
- 23:33I was doing everything under the sun that it takes
- 23:35to run a business.
- 23:36And as we've grown, as we've scaled,
- 23:39I've basically found people to fill those roles, okay?
- 23:42So I've split myself into now, you know,
- 23:44eight different people instead of just me.
- 23:46So we've got specialists in every single department.
- 23:48And so now my role in the business is to check in
- 23:51with Trent, our operations manager,
- 23:52and make sure things are running smoothly.
- 23:55- So how do you choose what things
- 23:56to delegate or not delegate as you're growing?
- 23:59- Another great question.
- 24:00So I would find the things
- 24:01that either you really don't enjoy doing
- 24:03or that you're maybe not so good at doing,
- 24:05and delegate those right off the bat,
- 24:08so that you can then focus on the high level tasks
- 24:10that you like doing, that you're good at doing.
- 24:13And that's what's going to push you along
- 24:14and get you growing your business.
- 24:16- Okay, that's great info.
- 24:17Talk to us a little bit about your social media.
- 24:20What platforms do you use,
- 24:21and how do you engage with customers?
- 24:23- Yeah, we use Facebook to advertise to our clientele.
- 24:27It can be a really powerful tool
- 24:28if you know how to utilize it correctly.
- 24:31If you don't know how to utilize it correctly,
- 24:32you can end up spending a lot of money
- 24:34and actually wasting it.
- 24:35Maybe you're targeting people
- 24:37that aren't going to be interested in your services,
- 24:38or they're not in the correct area.
- 24:40So it's really important to know what you're doing
- 24:43if you're going to dive into the world
- 24:44of Facebook advertising.
- 24:46- All right. Have you wasted money on Facebook Ads before?
- 24:47- Absolutely, yes.
- 24:49- How much did you lose?
- 24:50- We lost around $6,000 one year-
- 24:52- Ooh. - In Facebook Ads,
- 24:54because we thought we had set it up properly,
- 24:57but Facebook didn't think so. (laughing)
- 24:59- Okay, remember that guys, Facebook can be good,
- 25:02but you can waste a lot of money
- 25:03if you're not careful with it.
- 25:04- People really aren't interested in getting spammed
- 25:06with advertisements, okay?
- 25:07They don't want to see a bunch of posts
- 25:10that are, "Oh, save $50 on your roof cleaning,"
- 25:12or, "It's time to get your gutters cleaned.
- 25:14"Call right now."
- 25:15That is probably the least effective thing
- 25:17you can do on social media.
- 25:18What does really work are posts
- 25:20that show your community involvement.
- 25:22So for instance, we had a made a post
- 25:25about us cleaning up a local skate park and resealing it.
- 25:28That got twice as many likes
- 25:30as any other photo that we've ever posted.
- 25:32So community involvement, showcasing our employees,
- 25:35that's how you're actually going
- 25:36to get the community to engage with you.
- 25:39- Okay, talk us through the booking and estimating process.
- 25:43Is it mostly on paper or just all electronic?
- 25:45- Yeah, I'd say most of it's electronic.
- 25:47So there are two main ways
- 25:49that people can get in touch with us.
- 25:51One would be going to our website
- 25:52and filling out a request-a-quote form,
- 25:54or actually physically calling us.
- 25:56There's a lot of information online
- 25:59for us to be able to quote houses virtually.
- 26:01- Yeah.
- 26:02- You know, there are realtor sites,
- 26:04there are Google Street maps, there are the county assessor.
- 26:06So there's plenty of ways for us to be able
- 26:09to actually come up with a price that's going to work
- 26:12just with our computer.
- 26:13- Okay.
- 26:14- However, a lot of our sales is going to be done in person.
- 26:17So any job that we think is going to be
- 26:19over a thousand dollars,
- 26:20or let's say the house is valued over a million dollars,
- 26:23we're going to want to meet that client actually in person,
- 26:26because there's actually a better chance for upsells
- 26:29when you do that.
- 26:31- Okay, so what percentage of jobs do you think
- 26:33you're visiting in person versus quoting online?
- 26:35- Yeah, I would say it's about half and half.
- 26:37You know, if it's a quick and easy quote,
- 26:39maybe they just want a window cleaning or a gutter cleaning,
- 26:41and that information is here online,
- 26:44then we're going to quickly send them a quote.
- 26:46You know, if they want a little bit more done,
- 26:48or they have a big house,
- 26:49we think that they might be a really good client of ours,
- 26:52then we're going to actually want to go out
- 26:53and create a relationship with them by meeting them
- 26:55in person and looking at their entire property.
- 26:57- Do you have a wild guess about how much
- 26:59that increases your conversion ratio
- 27:01when you're going in person with the customers?
- 27:03- Yeah, I would say that it actually increases
- 27:06our conversion ratio by about 20% on those actual jobs
- 27:11that we're going to look at, you know?
- 27:13Because when someone's actually able
- 27:15to meet you face-to-face,
- 27:16we're able to provide a lot more value in that sense.
- 27:19You know, and we are a premium-priced business,
- 27:21so let's say a client, a potential client,
- 27:24is getting three different quotes.
- 27:26Two of them come in from online,
- 27:28and they've actually never met them.
- 27:29But then actually we show up at their doorstep
- 27:31and are able to give them a lot of value
- 27:33in that in-person conversation.
- 27:36They're way more likely to book with us
- 27:39because now they trust us, they've met us,
- 27:41they see that we're actually there to add value
- 27:43for their experience.
- 27:45- Sounds like you have a boatload of leads
- 27:47coming in every month.
- 27:48Do you know about how many leads you have?
- 27:49- Yeah, so we aim for about 200 leads a month plus
- 27:53in the busy season.
- 27:54- Wow.
- 27:55So how do you manage and nurture all those leads?
- 27:57- Yeah, great question.
- 27:58So we use Jobber, that's our CRM,
- 28:00which is your customer relations management software.
- 28:03- [Caleb] Okay.
- 28:03- And what's great about Jobber is that you can track
- 28:06the progress of that client
- 28:08from the time that they contact you.
- 28:09So you're invoicing the job, and then following up with them
- 28:12months down the road to see
- 28:13if they need your services again.
- 28:15- Okay.
- 28:16And what are some great tips for managing
- 28:18and working with your leads?
- 28:19- Yeah, well, you're going to want your leads
- 28:22to go into the same place where you're going
- 28:24to be creating quotes, creating invoices,
- 28:27and then following up with clients down the road.
- 28:30So if you have everything in one place,
- 28:31then that's less work for you,
- 28:33essentially to be doing on the road.
- 28:35- Okay, so you can do all of that right in Jobber?
- 28:37- Yeah, absolutely, and Jobber has saved us.
- 28:40- Are all the supplies usually ones
- 28:42you can find at hardware stores,
- 28:44or do you need to go to special places to find the rest?
- 28:46- Yeah, so we actually use a lot of specialty, you know,
- 28:50distributors, so people that have the best equipment.
- 28:53We are always looking for the best equipment
- 28:56that we can buy, because when equipment breaks on the job,
- 28:59that's a loss in revenue, that's a loss in profit.
- 29:01- [Caleb] Yeah.
- 29:02- Your guys are out there with broken equipment.
- 29:03It's frustrating for them.
- 29:04So we try and get equipment that isn't going to break,
- 29:07that's going to have some longevity
- 29:08that we can use for a long time
- 29:09and get the most money out of.
- 29:10- Mm-hmm.
- 29:11Before we were talking about your mentor, David Moerman.
- 29:15- Yeah.
- 29:16- Okay, and you said that he took you
- 29:17from 400K to a million dollars a year in revenue.
- 29:21And how long did that take, and what was that like?
- 29:24- Yeah, so it all happened really quickly.
- 29:27I hired David because I was missing a lot of pieces
- 29:30to business that he was able to essentially give me.
- 29:33You know, he has been there and done that before.
- 29:36And so he was able to give me the equations and the formulas
- 29:39to plug into my business to help it grow.
- 29:41- Okay.
- 29:42- And that's really what's so great about hiring a mentor,
- 29:44is they've done this before.
- 29:45You know, we're not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
- 29:48We are just trying to do something that maybe someone else
- 29:52has come before you and done really successfully.
- 29:54So finding that person and asking them for advice
- 29:56can be incredibly helpful- - Yeah.
- 29:58- To grow your business.
- 29:59- So what systems were the most important
- 30:01in helping you do that?
- 30:02- Yeah, I would say that the most important system
- 30:05that we implemented was our training system.
- 30:08- Was there one thing in particular
- 30:09about that coaching that helped you reach your goal?
- 30:12- Yeah, absolutely.
- 30:13So David is really big on delegating tasks, okay?
- 30:18And so he taught me how to do that in my business.
- 30:21So the first thing that I did was went ahead
- 30:24and made Trent our production manager,
- 30:26and then I went ahead and hired an office manager.
- 30:28So I essentially split my role into two different people.
- 30:31And once you're able to do that,
- 30:32you create specialists in those roles.
- 30:34And so for you, yourself, as a business owner,
- 30:36to believe that you're going to be the best
- 30:38in every single area of your business, is just crazy.
- 30:41- Yeah.
- 30:41- Especially when you are running a business,
- 30:43your mind is on a million different things happening, right?
- 30:46You're thinking about the overview of the business,
- 30:48finding someone that can focus in on one certain area
- 30:52is going to help you grow.
- 30:53- Can you walk us step by step through the process?
- 30:56Job comes in, quote comes in on the website
- 30:59through the form, and what are your next steps from there?
- 31:02- Yeah, absolutely.
- 31:02So the first thing that we're going to do
- 31:04is call the client.
- 31:05We want to call them as quick as possible.
- 31:07You know, we want to give these guys
- 31:09a great first impression,
- 31:11and that is quick customer service.
- 31:13- Yeah.
- 31:14- So we're on the phone, we're calling them right away,
- 31:16and we're saying, "Hey, we saw that you just put in
- 31:17"a request for a quote.
- 31:18"How can we help you today?"
- 31:20And then they're going to let us know.
- 31:22They're probably going to reiterate at that time
- 31:24what they put into the request form.
- 31:26- Mm-hmm.
- 31:26- You know, I want my roof cleaned,
- 31:27I want my gutters cleaned.
- 31:28And so at that point, you know, we're going to assess, okay,
- 31:31is this something that we can quickly do online
- 31:33over the phone with them and send them a quote?
- 31:35Do they want this quote right now?
- 31:37You know, is this a thing that they're looking for speed
- 31:40in getting a quote?
- 31:41Or do they want us to actually come out to their house,
- 31:43greet them in person,
- 31:44and physically look over every aspect of their home?
- 31:48- Okay, so you gauge where they're at,
- 31:50and then once you gauge that, you might go in person,
- 31:53you might do it online.
- 31:53What are the next steps in getting them that quote?
- 31:56- Yeah, so then the next step would be to schedule it.
- 31:58So you know, the way that we quote in person
- 32:01is we actually have Trent or Mikey,
- 32:03they are two of our managers, go out in person.
- 32:05We don't have a sales team at the moment.
- 32:08I would rather send out our employees
- 32:11that have actually been on the job for a number of years
- 32:14that know all the technical aspects of our cleaning.
- 32:18They're actually able to add the most value to the client
- 32:22and educate them the most on our cleaning processes,
- 32:25rather than a salesman who might just be there
- 32:27to close the job.
- 32:28- Okay, so you don't need to do high-pressure sales?
- 32:30- No, no.
- 32:31We're actually pretty against high pressure sales here.
- 32:34We'd rather educate the client on what needs to be done
- 32:37to their home and what we recommend, and let them decide
- 32:40what's best for their own home.
- 32:41- Wow, I respect that.
- 32:42What's your monthly marketing budget for window cleaning?
- 32:45- Yeah, so we try and not exceed 7% of our revenue
- 32:49for marketing.
- 32:50You know, in the beginning, I don't mind
- 32:52spending a little bit higher,
- 32:53because you're going to need to get those clients
- 32:55to grow the business, right?
- 32:56But once you get to a certain level,
- 32:57I don't believe that you should really be spending
- 32:59over 7% of your budget.
- 33:02- And what is the most effective way
- 33:04to market a cleaning business?
- 33:05- Yeah, so I would say when you're starting up,
- 33:07the most effective way to market your business
- 33:09is going to be organic marketing, right?
- 33:11You're going to want to use the time that you have
- 33:13to go do boots on the ground marketing, okay?
- 33:16Go talk to neighbors, get in a BNI group,
- 33:18join the Chamber of Commerce, get your truck wrapped.
- 33:21- Yeah.
- 33:21- Those are the things that are going to help
- 33:23get people looking at your brand, get eyes on your company,
- 33:26and ultimately help grow your business in the beginning.
- 33:29- Okay.
- 33:30You mentioned before that you upsell jobs
- 33:32and that those are the most profitable.
- 33:33When did you start implementing that,
- 33:35and why is that the case?
- 33:36- Yeah, so last year we actually found out
- 33:39about this app called CompanyCam.
- 33:41And what CompanyCam allows you to do
- 33:43is draw up reports for clients.
- 33:45So when we go out for an in-person assessment
- 33:48to go quote a property, we will look at the entire property.
- 33:52So let's say we got called out just to look at Windows.
- 33:55Well, we're not just going to look at their windows,
- 33:56we're going to look at their roof,
- 33:57we're going to look at their gutters.
- 33:58We're going to look at their siding.
- 33:59- Yeah. - And then with that,
- 34:00we're going to be able to give them recommendations
- 34:02for other items at their house that they might not know
- 34:04that they need to get cleaned.
- 34:05- Okay.
- 34:06- But from our professional view-
- 34:07- Yeah. - We realize
- 34:08that that's a place that we can be cleaning,
- 34:10and we can be adding more value for that client.
- 34:13So really, us trying to upsell is making a recommendation
- 34:16to add more value to that client's experience.
- 34:18- Okay.
- 34:19Hey guys, remember that.
- 34:20When you're at the job site,
- 34:21don't just quote the one that they asked for.
- 34:23Go for some extra.
- 34:24All right, big question.
- 34:25What is your number one advice
- 34:27for the new window cleaning business owner?
- 34:29- Yeah, great question.
- 34:30The most important thing to do if you're just starting out,
- 34:33is to not put all your money into your equipment,
- 34:36but rather put it into your advertising,
- 34:38put it into your marketing,
- 34:39and make a fantastic brand that's going
- 34:41to help drive sales in your business.
- 34:43If you go out and you buy a $20,000 skid
- 34:45like that's on the back of our truck right now,
- 34:47you're going to have no money left over
- 34:49to find your clients.
- 34:50You're going to have the equipment to do the job,
- 34:51but no one to do the job for.
- 34:52On the other hand, if you can put all of your money
- 34:54into advertising and actually driving sales,
- 34:57then the equipment can come after that.
- 34:59- Guys, remember that.
- 35:00Customers are way more important than equipment.
- 35:02And that's a wrap.
- 35:03I hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
- 35:05Before you go, make sure you check out our interview
- 35:07with Chase Lille, who started $144,000 per year
- 35:11pressure washing business at just 18 years old.
- 35:14(bright, upbeat music)
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