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Spec-Driven Development in the Real World — Transcript

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  1. 0:00There's a major shift happening in AI
  2. 0:01first development right now. And if
  3. 0:03you've been watching my channel, you
  4. 0:04know I've been talking about this for
  5. 0:05months. Spec driven development. This is
  6. 0:08how professional builders move away from
  7. 0:10the unpredictability of vibe coding into
  8. 0:13a workflow that actually ships. It's a
  9. 0:15methodical approach that takes your
  10. 0:17product from idea to customer
  11. 0:19consistently. And for me as a business
  12. 0:21owner and a product designer, it's what
  13. 0:23has me fired up about this moment. We're
  14. 0:25not just changing how we code, we're
  15. 0:27changing how we build. So a few months
  16. 0:29ago on this channel, I introduced spec
  17. 0:31driven development along with agent OS.
  18. 0:34That's my free open-source system for
  19. 0:36powering a specdriven process. And now
  20. 0:39we're seeing the big toolmakers are
  21. 0:41converging on the same realization that
  22. 0:44a specdriven approach is the way. And I
  23. 0:46love this direction that we're going in
  24. 0:48as an industry. Just this week, GitHub
  25. 0:50launched their spec kit project. Amazon
  26. 0:53recently released Kirao, which is built
  27. 0:55around planning with specs. Cursor added
  28. 0:57some task tracking stuff to their UI.
  29. 0:59Cloud code has had planning mode. So,
  30. 1:01we're seeing this spec driven approach
  31. 1:03make its way into the mainstream tools.
  32. 1:06And again, the industry is broadly
  33. 1:08getting on the page that specs are
  34. 1:10essential, but the tooling and process
  35. 1:13behind specri development is still
  36. 1:14pretty unsettled. And honestly, that's
  37. 1:17good. We're all still figuring out what
  38. 1:19it means to build in the AI first era.
  39. 1:22Today I want to examine specri
  40. 1:24development in the real world because
  41. 1:26there are three critical aspects that I
  42. 1:29think the mass market tooling is still
  43. 1:31missing and if we don't address these AI
  44. 1:34adoption with our teams will continue to
  45. 1:36be an uphill battle. I'm Brian Castle. I
  46. 1:38help professionals stay ahead with
  47. 1:40practical AI strategies and every week I
  48. 1:43send out my builder briefing. That's a
  49. 1:44fiveminute read to help keep you sharp.
  50. 1:47You can get yours by going to
  51. 1:48buildermethods.com
  52. 1:50and subscribers are always the first to
  53. 1:52hear about my next live workshop where
  54. 1:54we talk about what's working with AI. So
  55. 1:56for the last few months as I've been
  56. 1:58applying specdriven development in my
  57. 2:00own products and watching the tooling
  58. 2:02evolve, I've noticed three fundamental
  59. 2:05problems that most tools aren't
  60. 2:06addressing. These are things that I try
  61. 2:08to solve as I iterate on agent OS. And
  62. 2:11I'll show you how I use that to make my
  63. 2:13specs actually useful. So the first
  64. 2:15issue is a lack of process for
  65. 2:17establishing alignment. So most tools
  66. 2:20just expect you to show up with a prompt
  67. 2:23and generate a spec as if they
  68. 2:25inherently know what you want and how
  69. 2:27that's supposed to fit in the bigger
  70. 2:29picture of your product. But we don't
  71. 2:31just wake up knowing what to build. Even
  72. 2:33when we know what the next feature on
  73. 2:34our road map is, there's still a crucial
  74. 2:37phase before creating the spec. And that
  75. 2:40involves deciding on the right approach,
  76. 2:42hashing out the trade-offs, the design
  77. 2:44decisions, the edge cases, your product
  78. 2:47strategy. Because we know there are
  79. 2:48always multiple ways to build the same
  80. 2:50feature. The question is which way is
  81. 2:53best for your product and your
  82. 2:55customers. So the newest version of
  83. 2:56Agent OS doesn't rush into writing your
  84. 2:59specs. Instead, first it has your agent
  85. 3:01work with you on ideiation and strategic
  86. 3:04planning. This foundational context is
  87. 3:08critical if you want agents to build an
  88. 3:10alignment with your vision. Let me show
  89. 3:12you what this looks like. So, I'm
  90. 3:13working on a simple app called
  91. 3:14flashcards so that I can quiz my kids on
  92. 3:17their homework assignments. And in here
  93. 3:19in the agent OS folder, I have my specs
  94. 3:21folder. Now, I've already built out the
  95. 3:23first uh feature and that's the finished
  96. 3:26spec right there. So, let's go ahead and
  97. 3:28start the next spec. I've got Cloud Code
  98. 3:30open here and I'm going to start with
  99. 3:33new spec. Just going to run the new spec
  100. 3:35command. Now, if you're familiar with
  101. 3:37agent OS, you know that I already have
  102. 3:39my uh product plan with the road map and
  103. 3:42mission built in. So, uh agent OS did
  104. 3:45reference that and it's asking me if I
  105. 3:47want to uh just build the next item in
  106. 3:49my road map and I can check my road map
  107. 3:52here.
  108. 3:54So, we've already built out uh these two
  109. 3:56parts and now we need to build out the
  110. 3:57question builder interface for multiple
  111. 3:59choice questions. Let's go with that. So
  112. 4:02now it's using sub aents for every step
  113. 4:05in the process if you're using cloud
  114. 4:07code which supports sub aents and you
  115. 4:10can see that we've now built out the
  116. 4:11folder for the next spec. That's the
  117. 4:13question builder interface and we're
  118. 4:15initializing here. Okay. So now it has
  119. 4:18passed the baton onto the spec
  120. 4:20researcher sub aent and that one is here
  121. 4:22to help me research and plan and hash
  122. 4:24out the details for this new feature
  123. 4:26before we even get into writing the
  124. 4:28spec. So, as you can see, it came up
  125. 4:30with a list of clarifying questions. Uh,
  126. 4:33looks like we have nine of them. I just
  127. 4:35want to point out that built into agent
  128. 4:38OS, I've instructed the agent to analyze
  129. 4:42my mission, my product road map, my
  130. 4:44standards, and the initial idea for what
  131. 4:47this feature is going to be, and then to
  132. 4:49come up with clarifying questions.
  133. 4:52Specifically, I told it to number them,
  134. 4:54which is going to make it easy for me to
  135. 4:56just answer, you know, number one
  136. 4:57answer, number two, answer, number
  137. 4:59three. The other thing that I said was I
  138. 5:01wanted to ask the questions and then
  139. 5:03provide a sensible assumption as the
  140. 5:06probable answer to the questions. And
  141. 5:09that makes it really easy for me to just
  142. 5:11do things like number one, yes, number
  143. 5:13two, yes, number three, let me course
  144. 5:15correct a little bit, number four, yes.
  145. 5:17So, you know, just making the process of
  146. 5:19planning and ideulating and hashing out
  147. 5:22a little bit easier than for me to have
  148. 5:24to come up with these questions on my
  149. 5:26own. And one more tip, I also emphasized
  150. 5:29the importance of referencing
  151. 5:31pre-existing design elements and
  152. 5:33architectural elements in the codebase
  153. 5:35itself um when it's coming up with these
  154. 5:37questions. And uh as you can see down
  155. 5:39here we have a section where it asks me
  156. 5:41literally are we going to be reusing any
  157. 5:43existing code or you know components in
  158. 5:47the uh codebase. So this is all really
  159. 5:49important planning material that should
  160. 5:51go into the process. So let me go
  161. 5:53through and answer these questions.
  162. 5:55Okay. So I've added my answers to
  163. 5:57questions 1 through nine. As you can see
  164. 5:59it's really easy for me to just confirm
  165. 6:01the uh assumption that the agent made
  166. 6:03and make some very minor uh course
  167. 6:05corrections. I forgot to add the note
  168. 6:08about uh existing reuse. Um
  169. 6:11so I'm saying like reuse our existing
  170. 6:13styling around the the existing
  171. 6:15questions UI that we have. And then
  172. 6:16there's one final thing that agent OS
  173. 6:18asks for. Now we have a visuals folder.
  174. 6:20And this is optional, but if you have
  175. 6:22any sort of mockups or wireframes, now
  176. 6:25is a great time to put them into the
  177. 6:27planning. Agents work so much better
  178. 6:29when they get to follow an actual visual
  179. 6:31reference. And uh I do have a very
  180. 6:34simple um rough wireframe. I'm going to
  181. 6:37just drop that into the visuals folder.
  182. 6:39So we have that in the planning for this
  183. 6:41spec. And we also have it built in to
  184. 6:43recognize whether this is a detailed
  185. 6:45mockup versus just a rough wireframe. In
  186. 6:48this case, it's going to know that it's
  187. 6:49a wireframe. Okay. So I think we're good
  188. 6:51on my initial questions and I'm going to
  189. 6:54send those along. All right. So we're
  190. 6:56not done yet. Uh, the agent just
  191. 6:58analyzed both my answers to the first
  192. 7:00set of questions and it took a look at
  193. 7:02the wireframe that I provided it and it
  194. 7:05came up with a couple additional
  195. 7:06clarifying questions just to really make
  196. 7:08sure that we're on the same page. It
  197. 7:10noticed something that I put into my
  198. 7:12visual wireframe and it wants to confirm
  199. 7:14the direction here. It even pointed out
  200. 7:16that I forgot to mock up a detail to,
  201. 7:19you know, select which is the default
  202. 7:20answer.
  203. 7:22And again, it worded them in ways that
  204. 7:24make it really easy for me to quickly
  205. 7:26respond. It says like, would you like to
  206. 7:28do it this way or that way? And I can
  207. 7:29just say option A, you know. Okay, so
  208. 7:32the spec researchers work is done. And
  209. 7:34let's see what we have so far. So again,
  210. 7:36we're we're inside the spec folder. We
  211. 7:38have not created the actual spec yet,
  212. 7:40but so far we have this planning folder.
  213. 7:43Inside that we've got our visual, that's
  214. 7:45our wireframe, and we have this
  215. 7:47initialization. This is just very
  216. 7:49simple. was, you know, just to record my
  217. 7:51very first direction. And then we have
  218. 7:54this requirements document. It it just
  219. 7:56serves as a reference and a record of
  220. 7:59the discussion that we had each question
  221. 8:01that the agent asked me uh what my
  222. 8:03answers were and um it has the follow-up
  223. 8:06questions. it, you know, references some
  224. 8:09existing code and it has some notes on
  225. 8:12the visual assets and it analyzed them
  226. 8:14and and gave itself some notes on what
  227. 8:16it found some visual insights,
  228. 8:18functional requirements. So again, I can
  229. 8:20like even go through here and just
  230. 8:23double check that all these details are
  231. 8:25in fact correct. You know, I might check
  232. 8:27things like, did I actually answer the
  233. 8:29right thing? Or do I want to rethink
  234. 8:31certain details about how this feature
  235. 8:33should be designed? Or I might want to
  236. 8:35check to see the agent actually
  237. 8:36interpreted what I had to say correctly
  238. 8:38because a lot of this stuff is, you
  239. 8:40know, notes in the agent's words, not
  240. 8:43mine. I'll go through and double check
  241. 8:45these, but again, like this is sort of
  242. 8:46like the raw material, the strategic and
  243. 8:49design decisionm that together we've
  244. 8:52come up with. And now it's sort of in
  245. 8:55the context, but we also have it
  246. 8:56documented here in the folder. So now I
  247. 8:59can proceed with the actual creation of
  248. 9:01the spec with much higher confidence
  249. 9:04that the content of the spec is going to
  250. 9:06be exactly what I want. Look, this is
  251. 9:09where our craft happens. Now, of course,
  252. 9:11we know how our code is going to fit
  253. 9:12together, but our agents can build most
  254. 9:14of that. Where we bring value is through
  255. 9:17design and our taste and experience and
  256. 9:21understanding what our customers need.
  257. 9:23That happens here in the planning phase.
  258. 9:26All right. Now, while the spec writer
  259. 9:28sub agent is writing up our spec, I want
  260. 9:30to talk about the second big issue that
  261. 9:32I'm seeing and that's missing context
  262. 9:34about your standards. So, in order to
  263. 9:37write specs that ensure agents will
  264. 9:39build correctly the first time, we need
  265. 9:42granularity about how the code should be
  266. 9:44written. So just telling our agent to
  267. 9:46build a React app or build a Rails app,
  268. 9:48that's not enough. There are countless
  269. 9:50variables, your text stack, your code
  270. 9:52style, your existing libraries,
  271. 9:54established patterns, components,
  272. 9:56layouts that you've already developed.
  273. 9:58We need our specs to instruct our agents
  274. 10:00to adhere to all of these directions.
  275. 10:02And we can't just assume that their
  276. 10:04quick codebase scan is going to pick up
  277. 10:06everything. We also can't just retrain
  278. 10:08our agents on every new feature that
  279. 10:10they develop because then we're just
  280. 10:12back to prompting in circles. So, as
  281. 10:14I've shown in my previous videos
  282. 10:15covering agent OS, it lets you define
  283. 10:18your coding standards and your design
  284. 10:20choices and your common patterns once.
  285. 10:23So, when your specs get written and your
  286. 10:25code gets implemented, your agents
  287. 10:27already have that knowledge baked in.
  288. 10:29So, it looks like our spec is almost
  289. 10:31ready. The spec writer finished its work
  290. 10:32and now it passed the baton onto our
  291. 10:35spec verifier which is checking the spec
  292. 10:37writer's work, making sure that it's all
  293. 10:39accurate, that we uh crossed our tees
  294. 10:41and dotted our eyes, if you will, and
  295. 10:44that's all set. So, here is everything
  296. 10:46that it did. So, let's go ahead and take
  297. 10:48a look. So, now we have our official
  298. 10:50spec.md. Now, I used to have a much more
  299. 10:52complex version of this, but I purposely
  300. 10:55had the agent simplify it down to just a
  301. 10:57one-pager. We've got the goal. We've got
  302. 10:59a couple of user stories, some
  303. 11:01functional requirements, some
  304. 11:03nonfunctional requirements. Uh then we
  305. 11:05have some notes on the visual design
  306. 11:07referencing the uh the visual that I had
  307. 11:10provided. We're also calling out to some
  308. 11:12reusable components that already exist
  309. 11:14in the codebase so that you know the
  310. 11:15agent can leverage those and not rebuild
  311. 11:18the same thing twice. We've got some
  312. 11:19notes on the technical approach. This is
  313. 11:22intentionally not going into great
  314. 11:24detail because, you know, we still want
  315. 11:25to let the actual coding agent and the
  316. 11:28specialist sub agents that are going to
  317. 11:30be uh responsible for these items sort
  318. 11:32of do their thing rather than leading
  319. 11:34them down potentially the wrong path up
  320. 11:36front. So, you know, this is just the
  321. 11:38highle specification, but it is highly
  322. 11:40accurate. As you can see, there are now
  323. 11:42multiple layers at play here. We did the
  324. 11:44initial Q&A and clarifying and and
  325. 11:47hashing out of the details. Then it went
  326. 11:50through and and created the uh the
  327. 11:52specification which also took into
  328. 11:54account my standards that are built into
  329. 11:55agent OS and we had the verifier agent
  330. 11:58come in and and look at it all and now
  331. 12:00I'm putting my human eyes on it as well.
  332. 12:02So we've got our spec and then we have
  333. 12:04our tasks. So this is the actual task
  334. 12:06list that would be implemented once we
  335. 12:08get to the implementation phase. It is
  336. 12:10broken out into task groups each with a
  337. 12:14main parent task and some subtasks. The
  338. 12:17other thing that you'll notice is that
  339. 12:19agent OS is suggesting which sub aent
  340. 12:22like in this case doing the database
  341. 12:24updates that's going to go to the
  342. 12:25database engineer sub aent and getting
  343. 12:28down into the API layer that'll go to
  344. 12:30the API engineer. Um so we're grouping
  345. 12:33these into groups of tasks that
  346. 12:36individual sub aents can tackle sort of
  347. 12:39like separately and that'll be really
  348. 12:41useful when it comes to implementation.
  349. 12:43You know, here we're going to work on
  350. 12:45the UI. So, we're going to delegate to
  351. 12:46the UI designer sub agent. So, you know,
  352. 12:49agent OS 2.0 when you're using it with
  353. 12:51cloud code is going to be heavily built
  354. 12:54around this idea of orchestrating
  355. 12:56multiple sub aents to pick off each
  356. 12:58individual uh task group when it comes
  357. 13:00to implementation. Now, of course, I I
  358. 13:03can still review these tasks. I can even
  359. 13:05review which agent it's planning on
  360. 13:07delegating to. Um, and these are things
  361. 13:09that I can tweak and change on the fly.
  362. 13:11like this particular feature might be
  363. 13:14built a little bit differently than the
  364. 13:15last feature that I built or I might be
  365. 13:17doing things a little bit different in
  366. 13:19this project versus a different project.
  367. 13:21And so agent OS gives me that
  368. 13:22flexibility to spin up different types
  369. 13:25of sub aents and incorporate them into
  370. 13:27my process in different ways depending
  371. 13:29on the project. And in fact, that brings
  372. 13:31me to the third and I think the most
  373. 13:33important factor when it comes to real
  374. 13:35world adoption of these AI tools and
  375. 13:38spec driven development and that is the
  376. 13:40tooling can't be too rigid about
  377. 13:42defining our development process.
  378. 13:45Because look, we all build differently.
  379. 13:47Your team might take an API first
  380. 13:49approach. Mine might emphasize UI first.
  381. 13:52You might have 30 engineers in a
  382. 13:54department or she might be working at a
  383. 13:57startup with three co-founders. His team
  384. 13:59over there might have multiple testing
  385. 14:01phases. Hers prioritizes getting a
  386. 14:03product out to customers quickly. And
  387. 14:05each feature in your product might be
  388. 14:07built a little bit differently. One
  389. 14:08might involve a lot of API and database
  390. 14:10changes and the next feature might focus
  391. 14:12more on UI and the one after that might
  392. 14:15just concern the mobile app. Each spec
  393. 14:17involves different sub aents and a
  394. 14:19different mix of phases in your
  395. 14:22development process. You know, if your
  396. 14:24tooling adds friction as you or your
  397. 14:26team is moving between different
  398. 14:28features, different products, that can
  399. 14:30prevent full adoption of specd- driven
  400. 14:32development, and then you'll miss out on
  401. 14:34the benefits and the leverage that AI
  402. 14:37first development has to offer. So, in
  403. 14:39designing the newest version of Agent
  404. 14:41OS, one of my goals is to make it as
  405. 14:43adaptable as your development process
  406. 14:45requires. It leverages sub agents and
  407. 14:48orchestration that you can control as
  408. 14:51you move between specs. So, I'll be
  409. 14:53sharing my latest patterns in spectriven
  410. 14:55development and in agent OS in my next
  411. 14:57live workshop and in my builder briefing
  412. 15:00newsletter. So, you can get on that by
  413. 15:01going to buildermethods.com.
  414. 15:03And speaking of patterns, now that we're
  415. 15:05rethinking what it means to build and
  416. 15:07ship products, it's easy to lose that
  417. 15:10sense of flow that we used to have when
  418. 15:12we were deep in our code bases before
  419. 15:14all these AI agents came along. But I
  420. 15:16think it's still possible to achieve
  421. 15:17that flow state, which can lead to
  422. 15:19breakthroughs in your product. You can
  423. 15:22see my recent video on finding flow with
  424. 15:24spec driven development. And so after
  425. 15:25you hit that subscribe button, head over
  426. 15:27there, check that one out next, and
  427. 15:29let's keep building.

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