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0:01the start of July was a rough one for
0:03Bart and Christa halderson the month
0:05prior their youngest son 23-year-old
0:08Chandler had fallen down the stairs at
0:09night and sustained what was originally
0:11thought by the doctors to be a mild
0:13concussion and some bruising however it
0:15was later revealed that the fall had
0:17caused a spinal injury that resulted in
0:19severe nerve damage which made it
0:20difficult for him to walk and properly
0:22take care of himself not only that but
0:24the fall also resulted in a brain bleed
0:26and aneurysm which can only be remedied
0:28through surgical procedures this fall
0:30had been devastating for the whole
0:31family but no one more than Chandler who
0:33had just been offered a job in Florida
0:35at SpaceX he had been on the precipice
0:37of so many big things graduating college
0:40getting a new job moving to Florida with
0:42the love of his life and buying a home
0:43for himself but this one fall had
0:45changed all of that leaving him in a
0:47neck brace forcing him to sleep on the
0:49couch of his parents house until further
0:51notice Chandler's older brother michell
0:53had also been in the hospital for a
0:54period of time prior to Chandler's great
0:56fall and Christa had also just received
0:58news that she had skin cancer all of
1:00this was occurring while they were in
1:02the process of renovating their home
1:03themselves which tied up a good amount
1:05of their funds and left them in an
1:06uncomfortable financial position the
1:08couple was stressed beyond words and
1:10though they tried to keep it together it
1:11was clear that these stressors were just
1:13stacking up around them the final straw
1:15came July 1st in the form of Chandler
1:18breaking the glass in front of their
1:19parents' fireplace while playing with
1:21one of their two dogs it had been an
1:23accident but for Bert halderson it was a
1:25Breaking Point as he cleaned up after
1:26his son Bert spoke to his wife and made
1:28plans to make a much needed vacation
1:30just for the weekend they had already
1:32had tentative plans with another couple
1:34to car pull up to their cabin for the
1:364th of July but Bart had decided while
1:38sweeping up the glass and partially
1:40cutting himself that they should just go
1:41early play hookie from work on Friday
1:43and do something for themselves for once
1:45they were both incredibly punctual
1:47people well-liked at their jobs and
1:49Staples in their office environments so
1:51missing one day of work wouldn't hurt
1:52they deserved it after all with all the
1:54things they had been through over the
1:55past few months Chandler helped his
1:57parents pack up their things noting that
1:59they had unar istically decided to pack
2:01a hefty amount of alcohol and money but
2:03not wanting to fight with his dad after
2:04breaking the fireplace he kept his mouth
2:06shut his mother had been doting on him
2:08since the accident taking extra care to
2:10make sure all his needs were met day in
2:12and day out and he more than anyone
2:14thought she deserved some time away the
2:16next morning July 2nd by 6:00 a.m. they
2:19were gone Chandler woke up at 6:00 a.m.
2:21for work and found a note from his mom
2:23stating that if they need help while she
2:25was away he could call their nextd door
2:26neighbor who she had primed about his
2:28current situation he didn't hear from
2:30her until the 4th of July when she sent
2:32a text letting him know that he had
2:33arrived safely and would be going to a
2:35parade in town which was unusual seeing
2:37as she would often text him multiple
2:39times a day but again he thought nothing
2:41of it she was taking a break plus cell
2:42phone service could be spotty around
2:44their cabin unfortunately that would be
2:46the last message that was ever sent from
2:48Christa howson's phone because after
2:50that Christa and Bart were never heard
2:52from again they never returned from
2:54their trip to the cabin and in fact they
2:56had never even made it to the cabin at
2:57all and by the end of July their remains
2:59would be be found scattered around the
3:01state of Wisconsin leaving everyone
3:03asking the question what could possibly
3:04have happened to Bart and Christa that
3:06would lead to them being so brutally
3:07murdered and who was responsible welcome
3:09back to dreading brought to you by
3:11Fiverr today we are going to be going
3:12over the case of Bart and Christa Howers
3:15and what happened to them on 4th of July
3:16weekend 2021 this video will be multiple
3:19hours long and I have placed timestamps
3:21in the description below to help you
3:23navigate through this with that being
3:25said let us begin
3:32the Howers were like most families and
3:34that they were outstandingly normal they
3:35had their routines and their little
3:37quirks but for the most part they were
3:39the epitome of the people next door kind
3:41courteous and most importantly good Bart
3:44was the head of the house and worked as
3:46an accountant focused mainly on helping
3:48small businesses he worked incredibly
3:50hard to provide for his family and was
3:51extremely successful at what he did
3:54however by stark contrast he was also an
3:56insanely Frugal man choosing to take
3:58less in order to have more for the
4:00future his mind was always on the future
4:02paying for his kids schooling retirement
4:04Renovations and he knew if he planned
4:06everything accordingly he would be able
4:07to take care of his family for the rest
4:09of his life which is all he ever really
4:10wanted it was only recently that he
4:12decided to spend a little more time on
4:14himself and the family with him deciding
4:16it was high time to renovate their home
4:18but even in the renovations he was
4:19Frugal choosing to continue to live out
4:21of the house while it was being worked
4:22on and opting to do some of the work
4:24himself as he felt it was more
4:26costeffective Christa halderson was a
4:28much more Hands-On parent and and
4:29according to Mitchell could be
4:31classified as a helicopter mom she loved
4:33her sons and made it a point to be fully
4:35present in their lives as much as they
4:36would allow when Mitch and later
4:38Chandler had moved out of the family
4:39home to go to college Christa made it a
4:41point to keep in near constant
4:43communication with them texting them at
4:44least once a day asking to be kept up to
4:46date on what was going on in their lives
4:48and flooding their phones with pictures
4:50she had taken of their two dogs that was
4:52just the kind of person Christa was
4:54Christa seemed to care more than the
4:56average person and was constantly trying
4:58to find a way to make things better for
4:59the people around her in her job she was
5:01known to go above and beyond to help
5:03solve customer issues and her co-workers
5:05were often in awe of just how much she
5:07seemed to genuinely care even while
5:09working with people who were less than
5:11kind she was always in constant
5:12communication with the people she cared
5:14about family and otherwise her friends
5:16recalled how there was rarely a decision
5:18made in her life that they weren't aware
5:20of simply because she was so open with
5:22them if she was going to go to the store
5:24she would tell them if she was going to
5:25try any recipe out she would let them
5:27know and if she was going to travel they
5:29would be the first to hear about it
5:30Christa was a people person and a sharer
5:32and everyone who knew her never knew her
5:34to keep secrets Bart and Christa had two
5:36sons Mitchell and Chandler Mitchell was
5:3818 months older than Chandler at the
5:40time of his parents' disappearance he
5:41was living with his fiance in a house
5:43they had purchased together after
5:45graduating from college Mitch had gone
5:46on to an incredibly well-paying job in
5:49the tax sector and had begun planning
5:50the rest of his life with the woman he
5:52was engaged to he would see his family
5:54every now and then usually a couple
5:56times a month however he was in the
5:57midst of growing his own family so he
5:59wasn't his present in the family home in
6:01June of 2021 Mitch had gone in for a
6:04checkup with his doctor and was
6:05diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and
6:07immediately hospitalized because his
6:09sugar levels were too high while the
6:11doctors assured the family that he would
6:12be fine and he just needed to stay for a
6:14couple days at most Christa and Bart
6:16dropped everything and immediately set
6:18about making sure he was as well taken
6:20care of as could possibly be Christa
6:21stayed by his side through the entire
6:23ordeal taking Special Care not to let
6:25him see how worried she was so he
6:27wouldn't get upset even so Christa would
6:29have have to excuse herself in order to
6:31go outside and cry on the phone to her
6:33friends about how scared she was for her
6:34son their other son was Chandler unlike
6:36Mitchell Chandler still lived at home
6:38with his parents he had previously moved
6:40out his freshman year of college and
6:42lived in an apartment with some friends
6:43from high school however due to
6:45circumstances Beyond his control he was
6:47forced to move back in with them after
6:48about a year on his own something that
6:50he personally didn't like unlike when he
6:52was growing up his parents were charging
6:54him a small amount of rent to stay with
6:55them in the hopes that this small amount
6:57of pressure would help him move out
6:58quicker Chandler ALS also found the
7:00house to be stifling as his parents had
7:01rules for what he was and wasn't allowed
7:03to do he argued that since he was an
7:05adult he should be allowed to do more
7:07adult things however his father would
7:09rebut that saying he was living under
7:11his roof so he would have to follow his
7:12rules despite the slightly tense living
7:14situation Chandler had been recently
7:16doing exceedingly well for himself he
7:18was working remotely at an insurance
7:20firm called American family in a
7:22salaried position that gave him enough
7:24earning to move out within a few months
7:25he also volunteered with the Department
7:27of Natural Resources and the police in a
7:29search and rescue scuba team to help
7:31search for missing persons and bodies at
7:34the same time Chandler was taking
7:35courses at Madison Area Technical
7:37College focusing on it courses as well
7:40as a course in solar paneling and had
7:41just been hired to do work at SpaceX he
7:44had already started working there
7:45remotely but was planning to move down
7:47at the end of June however that all
7:48changed one night when he fell down the
7:50stairs trying to get to the bathroom
7:52despite his father only hearing a slight
7:54thud whilst in the other room this
7:56greatly impacted Chandler's life the
7:58initial diagnosis from the doctor doctor
7:59was that Chandler had a slight
8:01concussion and maybe some bruising of
8:02the ribs and neck however his health
8:04would rapidly decline he began to lose
8:06feeling in his legs could no longer
8:08stand up for long periods of time or
8:10lift anything that was more than 5 lbs
8:12upon further consultation Chandler would
8:15report that he had a brain aneurysm and
8:17a brain bleed that it was likely that he
8:19would become paralyzed from the nerve
8:21and spinal cord damage and that he would
8:22eventually be fitted with the colostomy
8:24bag because of this fall he lost
8:26everything he was fired from SpaceX
8:28after they found a plethora of errors in
8:30his work after his fall he could no
8:32longer focus on school because it caused
8:34his head to hurt and his job at American
8:35family was close to letting him go he
8:37was frustrated depressed and more than
8:39anything upset at what had become of his
8:41life it seemed like nothing could
8:42possibly get any worse that is until
8:44July
8:471st what's important to note is that
8:49everything I just told you about
8:51Chandler Howers is a lie a lie made and
8:53manufactured by Chandler himself
8:55Chandler had been a promising young man
8:57at some point in his life he graduated
8:58high school he went off to college moved
9:00out of his parents home and into an
9:02apartment with some friends then
9:03promptly failed out of college moved out
9:05of set apartment and moved back in with
9:07his parents and while that is a reality
9:09for most young adults figuring out their
9:11way in the world Chandler saw that as an
9:12unacceptable failure his brother had
9:14purchased and moved into his own home by
9:16the time Chandler was moving back in
9:18with his parents he was working at a
9:19tech firm proposing to his longtime
9:21girlfriend and Chandler was jobless and
9:24being told by his parents he wasn't
9:25allowed to hang out with his girlfriend
9:27past his curfew he was left feeling
9:28degrader been shamed like his parents
9:30thought less of him and like the World
9:32At Large was judging him negatively
9:33especially in comparison to his older
9:35brother and so he began to make up lies
9:37the first lie was that he was still in
9:39college he had failed out of MATC a year
9:42prior but he told his friends girlfriend
9:44and family that he was still attending
9:45classes online and doing incredibly well
9:47he would make fake online course
9:49schedules tell his girlfriend that he
9:51couldn't hang out during set days and
9:52hours as he was in class and in some
9:54cases fake entire school projects in
9:56order to convince them that he was
9:58really taking these intense computer
9:59courses as time went on this lie would
10:01only get bigger with him approaching a
10:03graduation date that he would never have
10:05and when his father asked to see his
10:07transcripts for tax purposes it became
10:09even more of a problem a problem that
10:11Chandler felt that he could solve again
10:13through lying using his home computer
10:15Chandler made an email account for a
10:17college adviser named Daniel spy from
10:18this account Chandler as spy sent emails
10:21to his personal email account asking how
10:23he could help and letting him know that
10:25they're rebuilding their entire system
10:26and that's why he is having technical
10:28issues Chandler then would respond to
10:30spy talking about the issues he was
10:32having getting a hold of the transcripts
10:34how this treatment was unacceptable and
10:36unprofessional and wanting to meet in
10:38person to discuss this and gain access
10:39to them when Bart would then ask
10:41Chandler about the transcripts and why
10:43he was unable to provide them Chandler
10:44would show him the emails back and forth
10:46to himself validating that it was some
10:48sort of system error with the college
10:50and that he was fine Bart wasn't
10:51satisfied with that answer though and
10:53asked Chandler to be led into the email
10:55chain that way he could Advocate on his
10:56son's behalf and Chandler realizing that
10:58he didn't have a reason not to do so
11:00added his father into the email exchange
11:02after a bit of back and forth Bart set
11:04up a meeting with spy via Zoom a meeting
11:06that obviously could never happen
11:08because spy was Chandler the day of the
11:10call spy cancelled stating that a family
11:12member had contracted Corona virus and
11:14that he couldn't meet with him until
11:15further notice this annoyed Bart called
11:18spy out for his unprofessional behavior
11:20and demanded to meet with someone in the
11:21department even if it wasn't spy at a
11:23certain point realizing his dad was
11:25close to going down to the offices
11:27himself Chandler bought a burner phone
11:29and gave Bart the number saying it was
11:31his office line they talked for a while
11:32with Bart asking the same questions
11:34demanding a meeting and more and at the
11:36end of the call Bart sent an email to
11:37his wife stating that spy sounded a lot
11:40like Chandler at this point over a year
11:42had passed with Chandler talking to his
11:44dad as a fake school counselor and Bart
11:46was clearly losing his patience he once
11:48again threatened to go down to the
11:50school himself to speak to someone if he
11:52couldn't get a meeting on the books so
11:54Chandler made up a new character Alyssa
11:56Brandt also known as Alysa Brandt as
11:58Chandler would misspell her name from
12:00email to email Chandler made a new email
12:02for Alyssa and began speaking to Bart
12:04from that account as well Alyssa served
12:06as a goet and Away mainly used for
12:08scheduling meetings that would never
12:10happen Chandler began emailing his
12:12father as Alyssa and Daniel telling him
12:14that they want to work everything out
12:16with him but due to the pandemic a lot
12:18of things are in disarray that they
12:19realize how aggravating this is and that
12:22they want to help him and Chandler as
12:24himself this time would respond scolding
12:27the administration telling them they
12:28were deeply unprofessional and that he
12:30demanded more to be done after a while
12:32sensing that Bart was once again close
12:34to going to the school and talking to
12:36them in person Chandler made a third
12:38email account this time for a man named
12:40Aaron Hoover who served the same purpose
12:42as Daniel spy he then began to lie to
12:44his friends and family about being a
12:46rescue diver for the Department of
12:48Natural Resources in the Madison area
12:50Police Department he did know how to
12:52Scoopa dive as his uncle had taught him
12:54previously and was a rescue diver
12:56however neither the DNR or Madison area
12:58police Department had a rescue diver
13:00team nor would they ever use volunteers
13:02for that kind of position however
13:04according to Chandler's lies that was a
13:06volunteer position and with his father
13:08telling him to pay rent to continue
13:09living there Chandler made up a new lie
13:11this time being that he worked for an
13:13insurance company called American Life
13:16oddly enough this would mirror what his
13:17brother was doing in his own career
13:19working it for a company that was paying
13:21him well enough to buy a home and start
13:23a family Chandler went on to brag about
13:25this position talking about how much
13:27they were paying him how his position is
13:28Sal and how he could work from home and
13:30more Chandler was dedicated to his lifee
13:33and put in an actual effort to make it
13:35appear as if he was in fact working
13:37every morning he'd wake up at 600 and
13:39proceed to start his fake job he would
13:41hop on Virtual meetings discuss the
13:43day's work with his managers and sitting
13:45about doing what they required of him he
13:47also informed his girlfriend that he was
13:48working so During certain times of the
13:50day they couldn't hang out and he would
13:52remain unavailable to her so with
13:53Chandler going the extra mile every day
13:55at 6:00 a.m. Chandler would talk to
13:57people about programming and Technical
13:59problems but these weren't his employers
14:01these were friends he made while gaming
14:03friends who were comfortable pretending
14:04to be his co-workers while his parents
14:06were with an earshot of him he would
14:08then spend the entire day in his room
14:10gaming with them while his family
14:11thought he was actively working but fake
14:13jobs don't pay and Bart was telling
14:15Chandler that he needed to get a job to
14:17pay rent which he still could not do so
14:19he began to lie as to why he had no
14:20money despite having a well-paying job
14:23they messed up my payroll he would say
14:25they put me in as working hourly when I
14:27am a salaried position so HR needs to
14:29fix this before I can get my check that
14:31worked for a couple weeks before it
14:33became I messed up the direct deposit
14:35form and put in the wrong bank account
14:36information so it has to bounce back and
14:39then they have to try to redeposit it
14:40after a month or so on that lie Chandler
14:42then stated that they had finally sorted
14:44it out but the deposit was so big at
14:46that point the bank thought it was
14:47fraudulent and blocked the deposit Bart
14:50being an accountant knew what Chandler
14:52was saying wasn't making any sense and
14:54pushed him on it however despite his
14:55misgivings he didn't want to believe
14:57that his son was waking up at 6:00 a.m.
14:59am every day pretending to be in
15:00meetings faking work-related tasks he
15:02needed to do making fake emails to
15:04pretend like what he was saying was true
15:06and lying to his face about it he didn't
15:08think anyone much less his son would be
15:10that dedicated to a lie as time went on
15:13he kept telling his friends and family
15:15about the money issues he was having it
15:17became clear that they were getting fed
15:18up with the situation and so he too
15:20appeared to be fed up he began to speak
15:22disparagingly of a job that he had
15:24previously said was amazing poorly run
15:26they are unprofessional he couldn't
15:28stand it there but he needed to stay on
15:30until the money situation was settled
15:31the moment they had got him the money he
15:33would be quitting and in fact he was
15:35already looking for another job a job
15:37that was more attuned to his wants in
15:38life enter SpaceX Chandler began telling
15:41people that he had applied on a whim to
15:43work for SpaceX and they had responded
15:45impressed with his resume he had gotten
15:47multiple interviews with different
15:48recruiters all of which told him the
15:50same thing that he would be an amazing
15:52recruit and that they would love to have
15:53him on board for over a month he told
15:55his girlfriend about the different
15:56interviews tests an email that he had
15:59had to do in order to apply to the
16:00program until he finally told her that
16:02he got the job and that he would be
16:04moving to Florida at the end of June he
16:06gave her dates told her to put down a
16:08payment on an apartment already and told
16:10her that he would fly out to see her
16:11every weekend and eventually she would
16:13move in with him they had even sent him
16:14some work to do remotely work that he
16:16would be paid for unlike an American
16:18family this for all intensive purposes
16:21was Chandler's way out he had lied about
16:23so much to his parents about the
16:24transcripts the job the diving the
16:26school if he could just find a way to
16:28move out but by the time he was supposed
16:29to go train for SpaceX everything would
16:32be fine all his problems all the lies he
16:34could let them go and start fresh but he
16:37hadn't been offered a job he never even
16:39applied for one by this time so many
16:41lies had been built up on each other
16:43that if one was even exposed a little
16:44bit they all would be and then almost
16:47like divine intervention his brother
16:48ends up in the hospital his brother with
16:50his home and his money was now being
16:52doed on intended to by their parents
16:54without complaint his mother had dropped
16:56everything in order to take care of him
16:57and it seemed like everying sing Le
16:59responsibility Mitch had was gone his
17:01parents no longer cared about how much
17:02money he was making or what he was going
17:04to do with his life they just wanted him
17:06to get better and they'd wait on him
17:07hand and foot until that
17:12happened after his brother had gotten
17:14out of the hospital with a clean bill of
17:15health Chandler decided that this was
17:17going to be his way out he knew he
17:19couldn't pretend to have diabetes or
17:21anything that could medically be tested
17:23for so after a little bit of research he
17:25opted to a fake concussion while
17:26concussions are serious and alarmingly
17:28common there is no medical test that
17:31conclusively determines if a person has
17:33one and they require an amount of
17:34self-reporting of course there are signs
17:36that one might be concussed however the
17:39signs are not outward meaning that they
17:40can only be felt not seen doctors have
17:43to go by what their patients are saying
17:44they feel and hope their patient is
17:46being honest if a patient comes in and
17:48states that they hit their head they are
17:50feeling dizzy and laded and they are
17:51having a hard time focusing sense
17:54chances are they will be diagnosed as
17:55having a concussion so on a night where
17:58Chandler was alone with his dad in the
17:59house he fell down the stairs the extent
18:01of his fall is unknown Bart described
18:03hearing a loud thump despite how
18:05devastating and hard Chandler would
18:07claim his fall would be he stayed at the
18:08bottom of the stairs until his dad came
18:10out and told him that he had fallen down
18:12the flight of stairs and hit his head
18:14immediately Bart drove him to the
18:15emergency room all the while Chandler
18:17complained of rib and head pain that was
18:19incredibly severe the doctor checked him
18:21for any sign of head trauma gave him
18:23some scans and concluded that at most he
18:26had a mild concussion but nothing too
18:28serious all of their tests and x-rays
18:30came back showing no physical trauma and
18:32he explained to Chandler that he
18:33probably wouldn't need anything stronger
18:34than an over-the-counter pain reliever
18:36to deal with the pain after some further
18:38theatrics from Chandler the doctor
18:40relented and gave him a neck brace
18:42stating that it wasn't necessary but
18:44might help with any pain he was in this
18:46was not the response he was looking for
18:47and so over the coming days Chandler
18:50started embellishing his injuries he
18:51told his family that the doctor had told
18:53him that he needed to wear the neck
18:55brace at all times and refused to take
18:57it off even when they went out for din
18:59on Father's Day he started complaining
19:00about his legs stating that he could
19:02barely feel them and that carrying
19:04anything was too difficult for him to
19:05manage he explained that he had
19:07difficulty with the lights in the house
19:08and his mother had to bring most of his
19:10stuff down to the lower level living
19:11room so he could sit in almost complete
19:13darkness during the day he also stated
19:15that he was now suffering from severe
19:17migraines that were so difficult he
19:18would black out and eventually he said
19:20that he went back to the hospital for
19:22another appointment and was told that he
19:23would eventually become disabled due to
19:25the severe nerve damage in his back the
19:27list of things he stated was wrong with
19:29him was vast and all factually
19:31inaccurate Chandler was fine and had
19:33always been fine he just needed his
19:35family his girlfriend and his friends to
19:37think he wasn't fine so they would stop
19:39asking questions and stop expecting him
19:41to do things he didn't want to do things
19:43like working and taking care of
19:47himself unfortunately his fake head
19:50injury didn't turn out the way he
19:52thought it would despite telling his
19:53father that he would most likely no
19:55longer be able to live on his own that
19:56he would become paraplegic and that he
19:58needed invasive head surgery his father
20:00was still emailing MATC and American
20:03life trying to figure out what was going
20:05on with Chandler's transcripts and
20:07Chandler's paychecks he was still being
20:09asked for specifics and Chandler was
20:11having a harder time coming up with
20:13answers if anything his injury did the
20:15opposite of what he thought it would do
20:16with his dad even more invested in
20:18getting things sorted out for his son
20:20luckily he could pretend to have a
20:21headache and need to lie down whenever
20:23he was asked about a hard question but
20:25he knew that he can only do that for so
20:26long he needed a new out and so he began
20:28working on his girlfriend cat's mother
20:30Dolce Dolce and Chandler had become
20:32close over the years and she already
20:34knew him as her son-in-law when he told
20:36her that he had been hired to work for
20:38SpaceX she took him out to lunch to
20:40celebrate and he would often tell her
20:42that he felt closer to her than his own
20:43parents as time went on Chandler slowly
20:46started poisoning Dolce towards his
20:48family he would tell her that his
20:49parents didn't want cat to come over and
20:51that she wasn't welcome in the house
20:52anymore for some unknown reason he would
20:54tell them that his parents were too
20:56strict with him and that they didn't
20:57care about him he was slowly and
20:59methodically priming her to pity him and
21:01want to take him out of such a harsh
21:03situation and it was working over time
21:05Dolce started expressing how little she
21:07cared for his family and how she didn't
21:09like the way they treated him she
21:11encouraged him to move out get his own
21:12place and he reminded her that he
21:14couldn't do that because his job was
21:16keeping money from him what he really
21:17wanted was for her of her own valtion to
21:19ask him to move into her home he wanted
21:21her to offer her home to him so he
21:24wouldn't look like a dead beat in her or
21:26her daughter's eyes as Chandler was
21:27working on Bart decided he was going to
21:30take matters into his own hands he had
21:32been trying to talk to someone in charge
21:33at Chandler's college for over a year at
21:35this point and he was fed up and now
21:37that Chandler was too injured to take
21:38care of himself Bart decided to call
21:41MATC for him on June 29th Bart called
21:44the college pretending to be Chandler
21:46and spoke over the phone with the
21:47representative Omar job the contents of
21:50this phone call are public and I will
21:52link the YouTube video with them in the
21:53description box down below but for
21:55brevity we won't play them here on this
21:57call Bart Des crib the year of back and
22:00forth how the school has been refusing
22:01to give him the transcript and how
22:03frustrating it's been only for Omar to
22:05inform him that Chandler hadn't been
22:07enrolled in classes for a while that the
22:09job he had at American Life the job
22:11Chandler said he got via an internship
22:13from the college didn't even exist and
22:16that absolutely no one by the name of
22:18Daniel spaith Alyssa Brandt or Aaron
22:20Hoover had ever worked here the entire
22:22phone call is 15 minutes in length and
22:24you hear Bart slowly realize how many
22:26lies his son had been telling him and
22:28how far he had gone to lie almost
22:30everything Chandler had told him over
22:31the past year had been false and all
22:34this was done in an effort to play video
22:36games and avoid any responsibility and
22:38so Bart texted his son I spoke to Omar
22:41job letting his son know that he had
22:42spoke to the school for the first time
22:44on his Zone he then stated he had set up
22:46a campus meeting with him in Chandler
22:48for July 1st at 300 p.m. one where he
22:50knew that Chandler's lies would be
22:52revealed in their entirety July 1st at
22:542:10 p.m. he texted Chandler I'm ready
22:57when you are and minutes later he was
23:02dead what happened from that point on is
23:04unknown Chandler hasn't given his side
23:06of the story he has never made a public
23:08statement about the killings at all and
23:10all we have is a basic speculation from
23:12the evidence available to us because
23:14Chandler was feigning a severe head
23:16injury and and told his peers that he
23:18couldn't drive because of it it is
23:20assumed that Bart drove home to pick
23:22Chandler up and at some point while
23:23inside the home Chandler shot his father
23:26multiple times in the back with a gun he
23:27got from a friend online about a year
23:29prior it is unknown how many times Bart
23:32was shot how quickly he died or if
23:34anything else was done to him prior to
23:35his death we only know that he was shot
23:37and died sometime after 300 p.m. after
23:40he had killed his father Chandler texted
23:42his mother who was at work stating that
23:43Bart's phone had died and to bring home
23:45some soda for him Christa responded K
23:48with a smiley face on her neighbor's
23:50security camera she was seen entering
23:52the home after which she is never seen
23:54again how Christa died is unknown and it
23:56will become apparent why as we continue
23:58continue with both his parents dead
24:00Chandler set out to hide what he had
24:02done in his mind the only way he was
24:04going to get away with this is if his
24:06parents were made to look like they
24:07willingly disappeared they were stressed
24:09about everything going on and they had
24:11left that morning with a bunch of liquor
24:12and cash and were never heard from again
24:14he had previously told his girlfriend
24:16that his parents were planning to be
24:17away for the weekend already so he
24:19changed the story a bit to account for
24:21the extra day when his mom's work
24:23contacted him because they didn't know
24:24where she was and she had never missed
24:26work he let them know that she left
24:28early that morning with some friends and
24:29left a note telling him that if he
24:31needed anything to call the neighbor
24:33ironically that note was written by his
24:34mom a few days earlier because she had
24:36to go to work and was worried about his
24:38ability to take care of himself with his
24:40fictitious injuries but he still had the
24:42bodies and needed to get rid of them but
24:44burying them or disposing of them could
24:46lead to their later Discovery and them
24:49finding out their actual time of death
24:51it would be best he thought if he could
24:52simply make the bodies disappear Without
24:54a Trace and so he decided to try to burn
24:56them destroying his parents completely
24:58he began cutting up the bodies using
25:00everything that was available to him in
25:02the house a pair of common household
25:04scissors a handsaw and an AXS were all
25:07used at various points after cutting up
25:09the remains as best he could he started
25:11a fire in the home's fireplace hoping
25:13that it could burn their bodies fully
25:15however the average fireplace is not
25:17capable of completely incinerating the
25:18human body especially fatty areas in the
25:21thicker parts of the bones the extreme
25:23temperature needed to incinerate a human
25:25completely is not something that any
25:27fireplace could manage while making it
25:29safe to use in the average household
25:31this left Chandler with a problem a
25:32problem he tried to solve using Google
25:35Chandler looked up how to make fire
25:36stronger and found that by introducing
25:38more oxygen into the fire it would burn
25:40faster this was a method used in
25:42crematoriums in machines specifically
25:45engineered to do just this but Chandler
25:47thought he could replicate it easily at
25:48home he got a box fan from somewhere in
25:51the house and pointed it towards the
25:52fireplace that was burning the heads of
25:54his mother and father and the fire
25:56quickly outgrew the fireplace break
25:58breaking open one of the glass panels
26:00and causing the paint over the panels to
26:02bubble and burst the slight explosion
26:04resulted in Chandler's big toe being cut
26:06by hot glass at which point he decided
26:08that burning his parents wasn't working
26:10the explosion was also caught on the
26:12security footage from a neighbor who
26:14happened to have their cameras facing
26:16the house that night after bandaging his
26:18toe stopping the fire and cleaning up
26:19the glass Chandler started coming up
26:21with a new plan he seemed to realize
26:23that what he was doing wasn't working at
26:25all and that completely destroying the
26:27remains in his family fireplace was a
26:29bad idea but he still had to deal with
26:31the remains of his parents in order to
26:33give himself a bit more time Chandler
26:35sanss the neck brace drove himself to
26:37the quicki Mart near his house and got a
26:39couple of pounds of ice so that he could
26:41place the remains of his parents in the
26:43basement freezer until he was able to
26:44think of a better plan that all took
26:46place between the evening of July 1st
26:48and the morning of July 2nd all the
26:50while Chandler was texting his
26:51girlfriend Chandler hadn't been able to
26:53see his girlfriend for 2 weeks they had
26:55made plans to hang out during the
26:56holiday weekend because Bart and Christa
26:58had been planning on celebrating at the
27:00cabin without him the original plan was
27:02that cat was going to come over spend
27:04the entire weekend at the helders home
27:06hanging out and taking care of Chandler
27:08however due to the horrific murder he
27:09had committed within the home Chandler
27:11quickly changed their plans he told cat
27:13that his parents left him with a long
27:15list of chores that he needed to
27:17complete before their return these
27:18chores involve deep cleaning of certain
27:20surfaces fixing the fireplace and more
27:23he told her that she could still come
27:24over after work with dinner and to have
27:26sex with him but now she couldn't stay
27:28the night because of the Hefty amount of
27:30chores they had given him and wanted him
27:32to do before the weekend this struck cat
27:34as odd especially since she could have
27:36helped with the chores but nonetheless
27:38she obliged before she came to the home
27:40he had her pick up some more cleaning
27:41supplies and hydrogen peroxide
27:43explaining that the night before he had
27:45cut his foot open and was bleeding
27:46throughout the home when cat eventually
27:48arrived at the home equipped with food
27:50and the cleaning supplies she noticed
27:51that there was a smoky smell throughout
27:53the house once again Chandler had a
27:55perfectly reasonable explanation for it
27:56he said that while playing with the the
27:58other night they had accidentally broken
28:00open the fireplace which caused the
28:01smoke smell to fill the home fireplace
28:03being broken as well as the cut on his
28:05foot coincided with his story so cat
28:08thought nothing of it she ended up
28:09sleeping over despite Chandler's wishes
28:12in the same room as the fireplace where
28:13Chandler had burnt his parents' bodies
28:15but she didn't stay long because the
28:17next day at 6:55 a.m. she ended up
28:19leaving the home at Chandler's
28:20insistance again he made it clear that
28:22he needed to spend some time that day
28:24doing chores around the house and wanted
28:26to get them done before the weekend so
28:27he could spend spend more time with her
28:28and her family however as we know
28:31Chandler didn't have chores he had to
28:32clean the entire crime scene and dispose
28:34of his parents' dead bodies July 3rd 2
28:37days after killing his parents after
28:39sleeping in the same room where he had
28:40burnt their heads in the fireplace with
28:42his girlfriend Chandler decided that he
28:43was going to start scattering his
28:45parents' remains all around Wisconsin he
28:47drove himself outside the town of
28:49rocksbury and deposited parts of his
28:51mother's body around the banks of Lake
28:52Wisconsin it's also believed he
28:54deposited some of her body within the
28:56lake itself despite telling his
28:57girlfriend and he would be at home doing
28:59chores while on Snapchat she noticed his
29:01location was at Lake Wisconsin which she
29:04thought was odd she screenshoted the
29:06location and asked him why he was out by
29:08the lake he stated that he was passing
29:10through on the way to pick up some CBD
29:11and he didn't want to tell her about it
29:13because he thought she would be
29:14disappointed in him after depositing a
29:16portion of the remains Chandler went
29:18back home to continue cleaning up the
29:19crime scene and then visited cat once
29:21more this time at her mom's home where
29:23they watched TV he went home after a
29:25couple of hours stating that he was
29:27exhausted physically from the chores and
29:29needed to take care of the dogs cat
29:31notably stayed with her mom the next day
29:33was 4th of July at this time it's widely
29:35believed that Chandler had dumped the
29:36majority of his mother's remains into
29:38Lake Wisconsin but still had his
29:39father's partial remains in the home
29:41specifically in his basement's chest
29:43freezer however it was imperative that
29:45he had an alibi for the weekend in order
29:48to escape suspicion when he eventually
29:50reported his parents missing he made
29:51plans to spend the day with cat and her
29:53family at her mother's partner's farm
29:55this Farm was located in Cottage Grove
29:57and is a a spacious 40 acre property and
30:00backed up into a forest Chandler had
30:01spent some time with Cat at this Farm
30:03beforehand however on this day while
30:06walking with cat he realized that the
30:07forest that surrounded the home would be
30:09perfect for disposing of what was left
30:11of his father as they spent the day with
30:13cat's family chanler spoke to Crest
30:15cat's mother's girlfriend and talked
30:17about how his physical health had been
30:18deteriorating since his fall he
30:20explained to her that he was losing
30:22mobility in his legs and soon would have
30:24to undergo head surgery in order to live
30:26and that he was in a bad place mentally
30:28he told her that he felt that he could
30:29probably benefit physically by using her
30:31pool that was located on the property
30:33and if this would be okay for him to
30:34come back sometimes and use it Crest
30:36being the primary caretaker of her
30:38elderly father and her brother and
30:40knowing how difficult someone's physical
30:42deterioration can be said sure and
30:44provided him with her cell phone and a
30:46landline number that way he could call
30:48before coming over at the end of the
30:50night Chandler and Cat drove back to his
30:52house where they once again spent the
30:53night the next day was Monday July 5th
30:56the day that Chandler had stated that
30:57his parents were likely to return so cat
30:59left that morning Chandler knowing that
31:01he needed to get rid of the last of his
31:03father's remains called Crest to ask if
31:05he could go over and use her pool
31:07however he wasn't able to reach her so
31:08he drove up by himself and waited
31:10outside until she came out he had
31:11explained that he had just gotten bad
31:13news from his doctor and his health was
31:14in much worse shape than they previously
31:16had thought he asked if he could go to
31:18use her pool in order to get his mind
31:19off of things and she agreed he however
31:22didn't go to the pool after a bit cat's
31:24mother came around to make sure Chandler
31:26was okay the couple went out to the pool
31:27pool only to find the pool cover still
31:29on top of it and Chandler was nowhere to
31:31be seen however they did spot his car
31:33closer to the shed at the edge of the
31:35property by the forest the car had its
31:37hatch up as if it was being loaded but
31:39as they drove over to the car they saw
31:41no one in sight Chandler wasn't by the
31:43car he wasn't responding when they
31:44called for him and so they made the
31:46choice to go back to the pool and swim
31:48themselves after about an hour and a
31:50half Chandler reappeared coming out of
31:52the forest line and walking back towards
31:54the pool Dolce and cres informed him
31:56that they were using the pool and that
31:58Crest at the time was topless he asked
32:00if he could come anyways which they both
32:02thought was inappropriate however he
32:04entered the pool washing his arms off
32:06and looking out into the middle distance
32:08both Crest and Dolce thought he was
32:09behaving strange with Dolce accusing him
32:12of taking some sort of drug Chandler
32:14denied this and repeated the news about
32:16his own failing health and how he was
32:18exhausted after a bit in the pool he
32:19left and drove himself back home
32:21Chandler had successfully discarded his
32:23parents' body over the holiday weekend
32:25and as far as he knew he was in the
32:27clear he had avoided any obvious
32:29detection and all he had to do was wait
32:31until other people became concerned as
32:33far as he knew the hardest part was
32:48over the same Monday where Chandler
32:50showed up at cresta's Farm Christa's
32:52co-workers once again reached out to
32:54Chandler asking if he had any idea where
32:56his mother was Christa was one of their
32:58best employees she had never missed a
33:00day of work without letting someone know
33:01and she was not the type to miss days to
33:03go on an impromptu vacation Chandler
33:06responded that they would probably be
33:08back later that night and not to worry
33:10however they were incredibly worried the
33:12next morning Tuesday the 6th Christa was
33:14missing from work again and they again
33:16reached out to Chandler to try and see
33:18if he had seen them Chandler responded
33:20that he hadn't been able to contact them
33:21since Sunday and that he was beginning
33:23to worry now their phones were now going
33:25directly to voicemail and he was now
33:27nervous that something had happened
33:28however it wasn't until Wednesday the
33:307th when Chandler was made aware that
33:32his mother missed a doctor's appointment
33:34having to do with her cancer and
33:35Chandler made his way into the police
33:37department to file a missing person's
33:39report he told the police exactly what
33:41we had stated at the beginning of this
33:42video his parents decided on Thursday
33:44night after he had broken the fireplace
33:46to make a spontaneous trip to their
33:48cabin with an unnamed couple Chandler
33:50had helped them pack and noticed that
33:52they brought $4,000 with them and a
33:54hefty amount of alcohol by the time he
33:56had woken up the next morning at 6:00
33:58a.m. his parents were gone leaving a
34:00note of phone numbers in case he needed
34:01help after filing the police report
34:03Chandler was asked to appear on multiple
34:05news broadcast to try and see if anyone
34:08in the area had seen them that weekend
34:10however Chandler asked not to be shown
34:12on camera B and Christa halderson of
34:15Windsor had plans for the fourth their
34:17plans were going up with their friends
34:19and do some minor repairs on our cabin
34:21that cabin is some 3 hours away from
34:23Windsor on a lake in a small community
34:26in langlade County County did you
34:28literally see them pulling out of the
34:30driveway heading out no their son
34:32Chandler halderson who asked to be off
34:35camera says whoever his parents were
34:37traveling with from this neighborhood
34:40were to do the driving he says he
34:43received a text from his mother she got
34:45back to me on Sunday said they made it
34:49safely that's the last he's heard from
34:51his parents the sheriff said it looked
34:54like there wasn't anyone home family in
34:58friends hope the halderson unexpected
35:00extended time away is just that and not
35:03a sign they're in trouble that all I
35:06would really want to ask you is just if
35:08there's any information that you feel
35:10like you know would be worthwhile for us
35:12to share anything that you feel like is
35:14is important for us to share just
35:15anything anything like that of that
35:18nature um so my last uh message I got
35:22from them they were going to White Lake
35:24for the 4th of July there's some
35:26festivities that go around there
35:28you know better drink prices at the bars
35:30stuff like that for um yeah White Lake
35:33Wisconsin mhm um other than that their
35:38plan or from to my knowledge they were
35:40going to langlade County to a cabin uh
35:43their cabin
35:45um along the way they could have stopped
35:48many places I wouldn't know all of
35:52them but it's about 3 hours north of
35:55Madison or Dan County
35:59and they left then a week ago today on
36:03the first Friday morning so that would
36:05have been the second right of July when
36:08they left and that's the last you'd
36:10heard of them yes it is and then was it
36:13yesterday that you called the sheriff's
36:14office or someone with your family
36:15called the Sheriff's Office just to go
36:18back on that I actually um got a text
36:20from them on Sunday telling me they were
36:22going to White Lake okay I don't know
36:23when the text was sent because of
36:25reception issues that they would have
36:27and they usually turn their phone off
36:29because of pay for roaming yeah um we
36:33they it could have been whenever they
36:35sent that message that they made it
36:37safely and they're going to White Lake
36:38for the fourth okay so yeah so it was
36:41probably the last couple days that you
36:43started to get nervous then um is there
36:46PE you know we see comments people say
36:48you know are they up north is the self
36:51service bad you know could they you know
36:53just not be able to get a hold of is
36:55there anything that you feel like it is
36:57kind of going on here that leads you to
36:59be a little bit more nervous that that's
37:01not the case um my aunt went up there
37:04and was able to call me at the at while
37:07she was at the cabin okay so she was
37:09able to call me I don't know what
37:11provider she's using mhm but US Cellular
37:15would take up most of Wisconsin so like
37:18they'd be able to call today M because
37:20this weekend it was packed I I get that
37:23packed maybe the weather wasn't great
37:25for messaging MH yeah so mhm who knows
37:29and then the other thing I wanted to ask
37:31you about was the at a lot of the
37:34comments people were concerned or kind
37:37of wanted some clarification about the
37:39vehicle right because the reports from
37:42the Sheriff's Office say they they
37:43didn't have a car or there wasn't a car
37:46with them they brought or they were
37:48picked up by their friends okay who I
37:51never got the name of and I I assumed it
37:54was someone I was aware of like the
37:56close name neighbors of theirs up the
37:58street or um their best friends down on
38:01the east side so that's what I assumed I
38:04never really asked any further in it
38:06into it and so they got picked up and
38:09they all went up there by like another
38:11couple picked up here yeah here at my
38:13house okay before I woke up they they
38:16had everything packed up and and do you
38:19you don't know who they're who jeez
38:22that's uh I mean that that has happened
38:24before where they just kind of head out
38:27before leave or I wake up you know I'm
38:29heavy sleeper MH I I'm on a schedule I
38:32wake up at 6:00 to feed the dogs and
38:34they were out before 6:00 M beat the the
38:36rush to get to the
38:38North so Chandler despite not appearing
38:41on camera seemed in High Spirits he
38:43stated that he felt as if his parents
38:45would be found alive and well his theory
38:47was that maybe they had just stopped off
38:49at a casino on their way back home and
38:51time got away from them maybe they had
38:53such fun over the weekend that they were
38:55trying to keep the party going as the
38:56police began to look into this case and
38:58everything that Chandler had told them
39:00they quickly realized that something
39:01wasn't adding up Chandler was adamant
39:03that his parents packed alcohol however
39:05all of Christa and Bart's friends
39:07maintained that they weren't big
39:08Drinkers and never kept hard liquor in
39:10the house he was certain that he saw his
39:12father pack upwards of four grand in the
39:14suitcase before going to the cabin but
39:16according to everyone who knows him Bart
39:18was an intensely Frugal man who never
39:20spent money on Flights of Fancy and none
39:22of their friends had ever seen them go
39:23into a casino and the idea that they
39:25would spend money or time there seemed
39:27at landish and when asked for the name
39:29of the couple that Bart and Christa had
39:31gone up to the cabin with Chandler had
39:33no clue he hadn't seen them he hadn't
39:35spoken to them and his parents the
39:36intense planners that they were didn't
39:38let him know the police then contacted
39:41Christa and Bart's extended family
39:42including Bart's brother who he had
39:44spoken with on July 1st before his death
39:47they asked him a plethora of questions
39:49about the last time he had spoken to
39:50Bart and explained the story that they
39:52had been told regarding their
39:54disappearance and told them how little
39:55it made sense when he went on to
39:57Facebook that day to share a missing
39:59person's flyer that had been published
40:00by the police he made sure to comment
40:03how little it made sense to him and how
40:04absolutely out of character it was for
40:06his brother and sister-in-law to
40:07disappear like this the cops canvased
40:10the neighborhood asking the Howers
40:11neighbors if they had seen anything
40:13suspicious or if they had security
40:15cameras most of their neighbors did and
40:17they were able to catch the last known
40:18movements of Bart and Christa on July
40:201st when they returned home and never
40:22left it was quickly determined that the
40:24last portion of Chandler's story was a
40:27lie but as they continued looking into
40:28him more and more was exposed by July
40:318th the cops had become more suspicious
40:33of Chandler and the police presence
40:34outside of the Howers home increased
40:36they knew that most of his story was
40:38false at this point but they didn't have
40:40anything incredibly concrete Chandler
40:42noticing the increased police presence
40:44began to panic he called the police
40:46asking if something had been found and
40:48if there was a reason for the large
40:49amount of police outside of his home um
40:52a little confused uh I got two squads
40:55parked right outside my house they're
40:57not really canvasing they're just kind
40:59of sitting there is everything all right
41:03yeah I mean they're in the area doing
41:05canvasing and they're also uh probably
41:08doing a shift change right now getting
41:09our second shift crew on around 3: 3:30
41:12oh there's four
41:17now something going on that we need to
41:20know well they're probably doing reports
41:23they're probably doing shift
41:24change you know they they've been going
41:26around trying to get old to neighbors so
41:28I'm wondering if they're in the area
41:30trying to catch people now that they're
41:32coming home from work I'm not sure I
41:34haven't talked to any of them in just a
41:35little
41:38while all right well any
41:41news my brother I haven't heard from him
41:44no as far as I know they're still on
41:46their way up North couple hour drives so
41:48he's probably halfway into it
41:51right uh yeah I suppose about
41:55yeah any news on your end at all have
41:58you gotten any phone calls text messages
42:01gotten any messages other than from
42:02concerned parents um I can't there's no
42:06mail uh I got a there's a hold on my
42:13mail okay uh is that is that
42:16normal are you guys getting it at least
42:19no we we don't put a hold on people's
42:21mail I've never heard of that happening
42:24before there's a hold on my mail there's
42:26a ticket in there all mail held at the
42:28station is what it
42:30says okay yeah nothing done by us that's
42:33for sure I'm need my medical bills yeah
42:38no we wouldn't put a hold on people's
42:39mail and typically only the people that
42:41live at the address can do
42:43that did your parents put a hold on the
42:46mail does it say who put the hold on the
42:49mail I go check suppose okay um do you
42:56know of any
43:02anything so I don't know it's kind of
43:07stressful sorry so there's nothing new
43:10going on not that I'm aware
43:12of all right yeah who who's there are
43:16you at home still right now obviously
43:18cuz you're saying they're outside who's
43:19there with
43:20you yeah no not they're not with me
43:22they're just four squads just parked
43:25outside okay who is was just talking in
43:27the background cat yeah cat's over with
43:30me oh
43:32okay okay no I mean I can definitely
43:35give you a call or message you I guess
43:38depending what time are you plan on
43:39going to
43:41dinner I'm not sure but okay pretty soon
43:45here is it cool to call you what that is
43:48it cool to call you while you're dinner
43:50okay anytime okay well I'll keep you
43:53posted if I hear anything I mean
43:54obviously with the mail that has nothing
43:56to do with us at all I've never heard of
43:58a detective or law enforcement agency
44:00holding somebody's mail um you know and
44:03then as far as everybody in the area you
44:05know you kind of had to figure we were
44:07going to be in the area all day
44:09today yeah I was just wondering why
44:11there were four cars instead of the
44:13canvas
44:14thing yeah um oh any news about that
44:18that blue house with the big
44:20[Music]
44:21cameras the blue house with the big
44:23cameras is that the one across the
44:25street yeah across the street kind of in
44:28the corner it's a newer house um I
44:30haven't talked to by their house yeah I
44:34have a detective that's getting footage
44:36from the area I don't know exactly which
44:38houses he's gotten video from but yeah
44:42downloaded all of it and already have it
44:44at it oh okay so he's probably reviewing
44:47it
44:48now okay yeah it takes time to go
44:50through those things you figure you can
44:52only fast forward so
44:54much yeah all right okay all right well
44:57I'll give you a holler if anything pops
44:59up um you know and I'll give a call
45:01around and just kind of get a briefing
45:03from people up in the
45:04area yeah I appreciate that okay thanks
45:08Chandler thank you
45:11bye at this time Chandler was also
45:13searching for The Following on Google
45:15body found Wisconsin women's body found
45:18in Wisconsin Wisconsin dismembered body
45:20found dead body found in Wisconsin body
45:23found in Milwaukee River 2021 B and
45:25Christa shortly after the searches he
45:27was brought in along with his girlfriend
45:29to undergo a more thorough interrogation
45:31while he was being brought in a separate
45:33search was underway at cress's farm and
45:35the dismembered torso of Bart Howers was
45:37found with a bullet wound in his
45:41back we will now be going over the
45:43interrogation of Chandler howson that
45:45took place on July 8th prior to this
45:47interview his father's remains had been
45:49found on the property owned by his
45:51girlfriend's mother and her partner and
45:53he had been seen on this property in the
45:55exact area that the Torso was found
45:56Chandler was completely unaware of this
45:58at the time of the
46:15interview Chandler gets up to stretch
46:18and moves around there's no indication
46:20of any leg injury or numbness and his
46:22range of motion is fluid
46:31hey Chand how are you doing good good
46:34good what you guys s resp yeah
46:37there
46:41yeah
46:48water what's going on the police ask
46:51Chandler to switch seats with him which
46:53is done to subconsciously establish
46:54dominance and let Chandler know that
46:56they are in charge the other officer
46:58goes behind him and places a water
47:00bottle for Chandler at the edge of the
47:01table and purposely positions himself
47:03between Chandler and the door in order
47:05to further establish that Chandler isn't
47:07free to leave even though at this time
47:09he
47:10is all right um so we're just going to
47:12talk to a little bit more okay
47:22um all right just so you know I'm going
47:24to record stuff okay just helps and
47:26remember thing and picks up everything
47:29that we talk
47:34about all right um so Brian Shunk
47:38detective danc Sheriff's Office we spoke
47:39yesterday
47:41yeah yep what's your middle initial J am
47:44and Michael Michael and then your birth
47:47date
47:48315
47:501998 got it and then your cell phone I
47:53already have we've been talking on that
47:55um
47:57so obviously we're we're here we want to
48:00talk a little bit about uh your parents
48:03going missing right Kristen and
48:05Bart
48:07um before we get started just because
48:10you're up here okay so I'm just going to
48:12read you your constitutional rights okay
48:14so it's the Dan County issued card that
48:16they give us um so I'll just read them
48:19to you right off the card okay uh you
48:21have the right to remain silent anything
48:23you say can and will be used against you
48:25in a court of law you have the right to
48:27consult with a lawyer before questioning
48:28and to have a lawyer present with you
48:30during questioning if you cannot afford
48:32to hire a lawyer one will be appointed
48:34to represent you at public expense
48:36before during any questioning if you so
48:38wish if you decide to answer questions
48:40now without a lawyer present you have
48:42the right to stop the question and
48:43remain silent at any time you wish and
48:45the right to ask for and have a lawyer
48:47at any time you wish including during
48:48the questioning okay do you understand
48:51the rights that is read I do okay
48:54realizing that you have these rights are
48:55you not willing to answer questions or
48:57make a
49:08statement just need a yes yeah so the
49:11second one so I'll just read it again
49:13realizing that you have these rights are
49:14you now willing to answer questions or
49:15make a statement oh I will make a
49:17statement okay so you understand
49:21them could I have the card so I could
49:23read it I missed some um I'm sorry
49:28I can still having a little bit of time
49:30start the third one I'll just I'll read
49:33it we start all over
49:35yeah so you have the right to remain
49:37silent anything you say can and will be
49:40used against you in a court of law you
49:42have the right to consult with a lawyer
49:43before questioning and to have a lawyer
49:45present with you during questioning if
49:47you cannot afford to hire a lawyer one
49:49will be appointed to represent you at
49:51public expense before or during any
49:53questioning if you so wish if you decide
49:55to answer questions now without a lawyer
49:57present you have the right to stop the
49:59question and remain silent at any time
50:01you wish and the right to ask for and
50:03have a lawyer at any time you wish
50:05including during the questioning okay so
50:07then the only two questions I asked were
50:09do you understand yeah I understand and
50:11I am willing to make a statement okay
50:14perfect all right um so like like we
50:18already said I talked to you yesterday
50:20um so today is July 8th um it's about
50:24511 now we started talking at 5:8
50:27um so yesterday uh July 7th I came to
50:30your house um where you live with your
50:32parents Bart and Christa um
50:36helders and um the reason I was there is
50:40is you had gone to the Windsor Police
50:42Department and reported them missing
50:44right yes okay um I would didn't go to
50:47the department I went to the like office
50:49break room mm area in the same
50:53building yeah yeah I think it's mixed in
50:55with the city pa okay but nonetheless
50:59that came and and spoke to you okay
51:02Chandler's posture changes when he
51:03corrects the interrogator because he
51:05feels as if he has the upper hand and is
51:07now more comfortable Chandler feels as
51:09if despite the situation he is in now he
51:11will be able to get away with this by
51:13remembering insignificant details like
51:15this and being able to further establish
51:17his story
51:19um so you you reported your parents
51:21missing we got some information from me
51:24yesterday um we've been following leads
51:26last night um working today to you know
51:29go through different things um just
51:31trying to locate them right um so I I
51:35guess if you want to start
51:37with let's just go back to to last
51:42Wednesday uh
51:44Wednesday I was with my
51:47Dad we what time Wednesday I remember it
51:51it was kind of a bad day okay why was it
51:55a bad day uh
51:57um well my mom had work so she was gone
52:01um my dad and I were watching something
52:05over lunch it was uh The Wheel of
52:08Fortune and we have we normally have the
52:12couch like with our back facing our the
52:14table we sat at at the end of you coming
52:17downstairs or Upstairs Downstairs in
52:19that room with the TV I toss the
52:23ball and I smashed the glass
52:27okay with the dog the dog St uh that
52:32yeah set my dad off and we tried to
52:35clean it
52:38up I don't know about him but I got
52:41injured um but he was mad he didn't
52:46really talk to me too much that
52:49day uh my mom got home at 5: I believe
52:54I that's her normal
52:575:20 to
52:595:30 what time does she work do you know
53:027:30 is when she leaves I don't know her
53:04hours but I know when she leaves at
53:077:30 and
53:09then all the way up till 5: and she she
53:12comes home 520
53:155:30 did she come home about 520 5:30
53:19that day I believe so yeah okay
53:26so you guys are are downstairs um just
53:29to to touch back in that quick so the
53:31couch so yesterday when we were down in
53:33your basement the couches were in a bed
53:37I he helped me put them in a bed before
53:40yeah on Thursday but they put it into a
53:43bed so I could sleep near the bathroom
53:45and the dogs sleep in that floor so okay
53:49there they'll be a lot better if they're
53:51sleeping on that floor downstairs floor
53:53yeah just cooler for them or something
53:57probably okay all right so you were
54:00tossing a ball what type of ball was
54:02it this gross hairy tennis ball that
54:06Rizzo loves Chandler was said to have a
54:08pretty severe concussion be sensitive to
54:10light and said to have been fired from
54:12SpaceX because he was making a bevy of
54:14mistakes in his cating however when
54:16asked about the details of the weekend
54:17he was able to recall everything he said
54:19and did at the drop of a hat the cops
54:21who talk to everyone in Chandler's life
54:23were no doubt aware of the lies he was
54:25telling about his health however they
54:27never bring up his recollection in this
54:29interview and how it goes counter to the
54:30poor health he said he was in as to not
54:33inform him that what he was doing is
54:34suspicious in fact they ask even more
54:37minute details like what kind of ball
54:38did Chandler throw that broke the
54:40fireplace they will continue to question
54:42Chandler and ask for more insignificant
54:44details for the express purpose of
54:46getting him as comfortable as possible
54:48until they can pull the rug out from
54:49under him just like a green tennis ball
54:51like a normal yeah okay with the
54:54squeaker not not like a tennis rord B
54:57but they don't chew my dog chews those
54:59out of the any tennis ball they just
55:01chew the squeakers out and then they
55:02don't play with them anymore um all
55:04right so you was tossing that around um
55:06broke the fireplace glass uh you said
55:09you were injured what type of injury did
55:11I got a pretty deep hole in my foot uh
55:14last night Mary looked at it and she
55:16said the reason it keeps bleeding is cuz
55:18there's glass in it oh that's the you
55:20showed us your to yeah I showed the
55:22detective
55:24Le yeah
55:27okay yeah
55:29so that one it could be infected is what
55:33she's thinking but neopor has been
55:35helping okay good um keeping it clean
55:39and
55:40stuff the best you can I I know how I
55:43guess yeah um okay once I oh Wednesday
55:48back to Wednesday once I got all the
55:49glass out of the dog's hair um she
55:53didn't sustain any injuries good
55:56nothing even on her nose she got it with
55:59her shoulder bone I
56:01believe
56:05um so glass do that was roughly around
56:11two and then the rest he didn't really
56:14talk to me I went back to
56:17doing like a job search kind of just
56:22[ __ ] my day away just g games
56:25YouTube
56:28uh that's when I came across one of the
56:30jobs I liked um then 5:00 rolled up by
56:34and we mom came home um
56:39dinner what do you guys have Wednesday
56:41night I couldn't tell you
56:45okay who made
56:47it I think it was probably just stuff
56:50from the fridge I don't I think we all
56:53did our own thing again sure
56:58by the way a detective at my house said
57:00Something's Happened and while we were
57:03leaving people were going inside is
57:05there a warrant for my
57:07house should there be no I'm just
57:10wondering if Okay can as far as I know
57:14they were at your house and they were
57:15going to be there talking to you to ask
57:19if you would come up here and talk to us
57:21but um officer
57:24Haley just like walk pretty much in to
57:27the gate you know the gate on the
57:29outside she's kind of locked in I was I
57:31was wondering was that when you were
57:33getting your wall uh no we were we were
57:36um I was in the car waiting to leave I
57:39was just wondering if everything's okay
57:41cuz she said Something's Happened okay
57:44and we need to go down all right I'll
57:47find out what that's about well has
57:49anything bad happened um not sure all
57:53right so so Wednesday night mom comes
57:55home um Dad was angry was was he yelling
57:59or what was how how would you describe
58:01dad being angry it
58:04was if you he would yell if you said
58:08something to him I guess if you talk to
58:10him if you give him his space he'll be
58:14okay so Wednesday night Wednesday if you
58:19just that's all we did just give him his
58:22space he he won't yell or do anything
58:25okay
58:27that's all we had to do um we just m and
58:30I went to clean uh do some
58:34laundry uh make our
58:38beds stuff like that who is we M Night
58:43your mom
58:46okay that was Wednesday night yeah and
58:50we had an early night no no TV that
58:53night gotta um
58:57what time did your parents go to bed
58:59Wednesday night do you think I was in
59:01bed at 8 you were yeah
59:06okay yeah
59:11um I couldn't tell you when they went to
59:13bed okay no worries and you were
59:17downstairs that's where you've been
59:18sleeping you told me last night I was in
59:20my room Wednesday upstairs okay
59:29gotcha so in the bedroom
59:32upstairs and then you you slept
59:36downstairs why have you been sleeping
59:38downstairs again you told me last
59:39bathroom the bathroom's right there I
59:41need to be close the stairs I I can't
59:43see too well in the dark
59:48so gotcha and just like last night I'm
59:51jotting some noes quit you know it
59:52doesn't mean one thing is more important
59:54than the other it just means that I need
59:55to remember stuff in right understand
59:59gotta all right so did you sleep with
1:00:02your door closed that night or open oh
1:00:03yeah I always have they closed closed
1:00:05door yeah makes
1:00:07sense I feeling they argued a little bit
1:00:10after parents dead what were they
1:00:12arguing
1:00:13about probably would set my dad off that
1:00:16day the glass okay um us not having food
1:00:21ready stuff like that we I mean we just
1:00:25microwave whatever was in the fridge I
1:00:28suppose yeah who was upset about that
1:00:32Dad Dad was he usually doesn't like that
1:00:36he likes the when we
1:00:39cook okay does he ever cook I haven't
1:00:43seen him cook oh he grills he he likes
1:00:46to grill he grilled on Thursday
1:00:49nice right I think I told one officer
1:00:54that green egg
1:00:56you got um it makes terrible food but
1:01:01yeah Dad does yeah well The Green Egg
1:01:04it's oh the Green Egg that's like a
1:01:06grill or something yeah it's insulated
1:01:08and makes everything Smokey oh
1:01:11okay um it's Thursday
1:01:15morning I wake
1:01:21up what time is it 6 okay
1:01:26dogs we talked about that yesterday 6
1:01:29a.m. is kind of your deal right 6 a.m. y
1:01:31yeah internal clock now yeah used things
1:01:35in a
1:01:37[Music]
1:01:40while I don't off any
1:01:43breakfast so I kind of just stay in my
1:01:46room on my
1:01:48phone um help my mom out getting
1:01:52ready in the morning she she left for
1:01:55work and
1:01:577:30 I got
1:02:00her um whatever she had to do what was
1:02:07it this is just meaningless tasks like
1:02:11just
1:02:12daily the pillowcase changes and Sheet
1:02:16changes stuff like that you know in the
1:02:19morning before work yeah that's what we
1:02:23always do um
1:02:28and she's
1:02:33gone uh my dad starts the grill around
1:02:378:39 in the morning yeah to get the
1:02:40temperature
1:02:44right was she working from home that day
1:02:46or yes
1:02:49okay
1:02:51we um we ate the grill nothing really
1:02:55happened between that we kind of either
1:02:57were outside with the dogs from the
1:03:00lighting of the
1:03:01grill him going in taking a couple
1:03:04calls now and then or emails or
1:03:07something but we just kind of washed the
1:03:09grill and waited to get it set steady at
1:03:12uh hamburgers for 350 is
1:03:16okay
1:03:17[Music]
1:03:19then so yeah we just kind of
1:03:23waited for the burgers
1:03:27um and then we had we ate noon
1:03:37NO3 12:30 sorry
1:03:40sure
1:03:41um then we went inside and had our TV
1:03:46show again Wheel of Fortune so was on
1:03:48around time for
1:03:50lunch or was it Family Feud Family Feud
1:03:54was Thursday
1:03:59um where did you guys watch that at
1:04:01downstairs same okay did you guys have a
1:04:04TV upstairs I don't remember no no
1:04:08okay
1:04:15um sorry I'm really trying to the memory
1:04:18um
1:04:20that's then yeah we went to go do our
1:04:24own things I went back to a little bit
1:04:27more job searching this time I branched
1:04:29into DeForest instead of just Windsor
1:04:32working he went back to work we
1:04:36planned
1:04:43on something
1:04:48inol oh we were
1:04:57I don't know something went well for him
1:05:00so that's
1:05:02all
1:05:05um and we were hanging out again my M
1:05:16texts um I I I believe I text her
1:05:19everything it's going well uh his phone
1:05:21died my dad he he
1:05:24didn't he just kind of like charged it
1:05:27put it on the
1:05:28dock and left
1:05:31it
1:05:33um then we just kind of hung out in my M
1:05:36gets home and I start the I start shrimp
1:05:41scampy for my dad cuz that's what he
1:05:43wanted but we didn't have shrimp so I
1:05:46made shrimp
1:05:48scampy Chandler's disposition throughout
1:05:50this interrogation becomes calmer at the
1:05:52beginning of the interview he is Shifty
1:05:54and nervous however as he has been able
1:05:56to tell his story his disposition
1:05:58changes into a more relaxed one he
1:06:00believes that the cops are believing his
1:06:02lies and believe his story despite the
1:06:04glaring red flags
1:06:10um that's that's where they told me
1:06:13while we were eating it they they were
1:06:15going to go with their friends and I was
1:06:16like oh
1:06:19cool um and they said they were going to
1:06:23the cabin yeah we're going up north
1:06:27that's how they refer to it who said
1:06:29that Mom or Dad mom my my dad doesn't
1:06:32talk while eats okay um so there we are
1:06:37at Thursday dinner up north of the cabin
1:06:40my dad says I'll need a set for pipe
1:06:42repair and
1:06:44gas so I'm like all
1:06:48right I grabbed the pipe repair stuff
1:06:51from his um Plumbing chest or Plumbing
1:06:55box it's like a tote of what you need
1:06:59for pipe repair
1:07:03mhm um and
1:07:07two whatever Jerry cans I can't remember
1:07:11the
1:07:11amount but they're red with the safety
1:07:17nozzles got those squared away they had
1:07:20most of their duffles already packed at
1:07:23that point M and we all just started
1:07:25bringing him down to the mud room with
1:07:28the shoes yeah by the garage where you
1:07:30showed me
1:07:33him
1:07:35um after that we
1:07:37watched
1:07:43uh that is a Netflix original um you
1:07:48know seven underground with a thrill
1:07:52seeking like
1:07:55it's like they they fake their deaths
1:07:57and they they fly airplanes and um they
1:08:02like fight at evil of the World by being
1:08:06ghosts pretty cool I don't think I've
1:08:08seen that one yet who was watching that
1:08:11the three of us all three of you okay
1:08:14all three and that put it at nine they
1:08:17had their
1:08:19drinks
1:08:20[Music]
1:08:21um went to my computer my computer was
1:08:25at
1:08:26that black table we sat it sure we saw
1:08:28that stuff
1:08:32um played played a video game called
1:08:36tarov for till
1:08:40midnight well after midnight maybe even
1:08:44kind of lose track of time and my
1:08:46parents by then were asleep we got the
1:08:49teethbrush and
1:08:52everything um
1:08:56and I got I got
1:08:59upstairs oh that was Thursday yeah so I
1:09:02did so we got the bed all set before
1:09:05they before we played tarov and that's
1:09:08when I crawled into bed from the the
1:09:11black table so after our movie we set up
1:09:15my my couch bed and um the pillows for
1:09:19the girls who helped you set the bed up
1:09:22my dad dad okay yes he knew he was
1:09:25leaving and I would need
1:09:28that
1:09:30um Friday
1:09:33morning I woke up they had left with the
1:09:36stuff was all set out they remember the
1:09:42gas um I found the the the folding
1:09:47chairs that they wanted to bring but
1:09:49they never brought them I'm assuming you
1:09:51think them fit they
1:09:55so I put those away
1:10:01um that was Friday morning I go
1:10:04upstairs do the dog or feed the
1:10:08dogs it was around 6ish not 6:15 when I
1:10:12woke up I was a little late that day
1:10:146:15 Frid
1:10:17okay uh when I went on my phone
1:10:22mhm
1:10:24dogs saw my M's note the insurance for
1:10:28my
1:10:30appointment I
1:10:33just ate whatever is on the counter I
1:10:35think it was
1:10:36[Music]
1:10:42cornbread where was the note from your
1:10:44mom that was on the the kitchen like
1:10:47there's a peninsula yeah with the
1:10:50insurance stacked up but I I moved it to
1:10:53the table okay
1:10:57and then those insurance cards were
1:10:58there also with that we saw yesterday
1:11:01yeah okay um I don't think she knew
1:11:04which one I would
1:11:05need but I have three now mhm
1:11:16um okay Friday
1:11:19yeah out with cat Friday night I believe
1:11:22would you do Friday during the day oh oh
1:11:25yeah just work backwards
1:11:31um I kind of sh the day away play video
1:11:35games okay parents are gone why not
1:11:38right yeah I didn't do anything that I
1:11:41should have I should have been cleaning
1:11:43and all of
1:11:46that well the house seemed pretty clean
1:11:49when I was there you see all the dog
1:11:51hair that that's got to be gone it comes
1:11:53along with it right yeah
1:11:57all right so Friday during the day just
1:11:59played video games kind of yeah then
1:12:02after work I believe that was the day
1:12:05cat came over after whose work cat she
1:12:08is work five was her work when she was
1:12:13off believe she came
1:12:18over
1:12:22um so she get done own five okay came at
1:12:255 you say I don't think she went
1:12:28straight here after I I came over um it
1:12:33could have been later like 6 maybe give
1:12:35her time for like getting
1:12:37clothes
1:12:45um this just after work did you say what
1:12:48she work at she works downtown Middleton
1:12:51is a farm Tech okay she um I believe she
1:12:56stayed with me on that couch that
1:13:01night so she spent the night
1:13:04over
1:13:10yeah you guys both SLE on the couch
1:13:13downstairs
1:13:16yeah
1:13:18um what' you do before you went to bad
1:13:21Friday night
1:13:26that might have been my own night I
1:13:28might be wrong I'm wrong okay I think I
1:13:30spent that night alone I just kind of
1:13:32gamed online uh with some my
1:13:36friends I said Saturday night I'm so
1:13:40sorry guys I know where is man so one
1:13:43night I GED alone all
1:13:46night one night cat spent the night on
1:13:50the
1:13:51couch oh and Sunday she spent the night
1:13:54in my bed with me she help me out stairs
1:13:57Sunday night Sunday night I know that
1:14:00because she didn't want to spend another
1:14:03night on the couch bed she didn't like
1:14:07it and she went to work on Monday
1:14:10morning so that was the my bed night we
1:14:15um backtracking one night she spent on
1:14:18the
1:14:19couch me with like the couch bed we've
1:14:23made mhm but one night I gamed all night
1:14:27or all day and night pretty much and I'm
1:14:30pretty sure that
1:14:34was Friday night and let's go with
1:14:37Saturday was my night alone
1:14:41okay so Friday we believe she came over
1:14:45yes and then Saturday was the game night
1:14:48yes so backtracking to
1:14:51Friday when she came by
1:14:58we um actually we just um oh bright no
1:15:04not bright um there's this movie or TV
1:15:08series on Netflix we watched pretty much
1:15:10the entirety of that into the morning
1:15:14was
1:15:16um a apocalypse show I don't know the
1:15:23name what time do you guys think going
1:15:25to
1:15:26[Music]
1:15:28bed I say we stayed up
1:15:32well 10 I would say
1:15:36p.m. yeah okay you got to be at
1:15:41least
1:15:42[Music]
1:15:45um the
1:15:51morning Saturday we didn't do much she
1:15:55left
1:15:58um this is when I'm really starting to
1:16:01notice my legs okay I'm kind of having
1:16:05the the anxiety and all of that like
1:16:08getting a little frustrated with myself
1:16:10and all that like I it wasn't too bad
1:16:15until like last week Tuesday when I
1:16:18started noticing it and Saturday was
1:16:21like the peak and it's kind of stayed
1:16:24out like this okay Peak anxiety and and
1:16:29this kind of like set me like fast for
1:16:32some space and I just kind of gained
1:16:37Saturday
1:16:39um couldn't tell you when I went to bed
1:16:41I I think I might have even stayed up
1:16:43till
1:16:452 that
1:16:47yeah um
1:16:55yeah it's just the same game escape from
1:16:58tarov
1:17:00um all right I couldn't get a hold of
1:17:03any of my friends to play with
1:17:05unfortunately I played like some here
1:17:07and there mhm from Discord but none
1:17:11would stick around for that late in the
1:17:13night
1:17:15sure then we get to Sunday it's the
1:17:204th in the morning I'm a little worried
1:17:22about my family
1:17:25I think I called my
1:17:27mom oh throughout I've called I I don't
1:17:30know the times
1:17:33though throughout the weekend I me but I
1:17:35called my ma I
1:17:37believe in the morning there's along
1:17:40those lines and I get a text from
1:17:43her it was a text message it wasn't even
1:17:46an i message so MH I
1:17:49assumed she said White Lake
1:17:52today so she sent it that day
1:17:57um I couldn't figure out where she
1:18:00was because it was a text there was no
1:18:03IM message so I kind of just like left
1:18:05it at that they're safe they're
1:18:08alive
1:18:10[Music]
1:18:14then get the
1:18:17afternoon I'm talking to
1:18:21Dan I call him up and I ask him well
1:18:25what he's
1:18:27doing or maybe that was the morning but
1:18:30I I called Dan that Sunday asking what
1:18:33he what he's up to if he wanted to hang
1:18:35out he's I don't like being alone at the
1:18:38house very
1:18:39long and Dan is mom's coworker slri yeah
1:18:45guy
1:18:47um go over there for he invited me for
1:18:51fireworks in his in his track
1:19:00way um he said or you said yesterday he
1:19:03lived in the forest or Windsor one or
1:19:04the other yeah close Okay I could I
1:19:08could point it at a map one or the other
1:19:10I
1:19:13think throughout the day um the dogs
1:19:17it's just me and the dogs the fireworks
1:19:20and the dogs are like running around
1:19:23into things I'm trying to keep them okay
1:19:26all they're doing is knocking stuff over
1:19:29spilled their water they haven't
1:19:32eaten it won't go outside for me um even
1:19:36on a leash I could get
1:19:37him
1:19:40out what was the deal with that
1:19:42fireworks oh the fireworks are spooking
1:19:44them so much yeah
1:19:46all I put them both into the the fort
1:19:51crank the TV
1:19:54[Music]
1:19:57did that seem to help at all with
1:19:59them yeah the the loud TV helped um
1:20:03Rizzo doesn't like or maybe does like
1:20:06new girl the TV shows so we watch that
1:20:10stuff it's the theme song that gets her
1:20:12I think she
1:20:14barks
1:20:16um so we watched
1:20:19that um Izzy fell asleep so Izzy's
1:20:25the old dog the older one y so then it's
1:20:28Sunday Sunday evening cat comes by to
1:20:32help me with the girls so she wasn't
1:20:35there during the day no no it was just
1:20:37me and the dogs she left Sunday morning
1:20:41okay from
1:20:43the no no she
1:20:48left Saturday morning because I spent
1:20:51Saturday by myself I see that and then
1:20:54Sunday
1:20:55it was just me and the girls
1:20:58till whenever cat got
1:21:02there we didn't
1:21:03eat together I don't
1:21:08think no this is Sunday this is Sunday
1:21:11so I went to cat's
1:21:14house on Sunday I actually yeah so that
1:21:18was Sunday morning is when I left the
1:21:20girls so all of Sunday morning I had the
1:21:23girls in the for and watch new girl I
1:21:27went to cat's house Sunday to eat but we
1:21:30ended up not eating there we went
1:21:33to um crest's
1:21:37house it's Cottage Grove or Cascade no
1:21:44cedarberg it's a sea town
1:21:49area Okay um is it where is it near I've
1:21:53never crap was it CH oh Chris so CR is
1:21:58you seen her on my phone yeah yeah I saw
1:22:00the calls to her she that's help me out
1:22:03with everything cat's mom's girlfriend
1:22:06mom's girlfriend okay cat mom's
1:22:08girlfriend I try to talk to her as much
1:22:10cuz she's like I don't know Wise and she
1:22:13really helps me with what's going on
1:22:15with me I've been in a slump I'd say
1:22:19okay
1:22:20but all right so on to cat's house
1:22:23Sunday to eat what time you think you
1:22:25went over
1:22:28there food at 3:30 that's what they said
1:22:32so about 3 3 3:30 you went over to cats
1:22:36oh I was at cats well before I was at
1:22:38there noon okay no let's see noon where
1:22:41does Cat live the east side east side of
1:22:44Madison
1:22:46I yeah okay you know the I'm sure I
1:22:50could look it up but you know the road
1:22:52at all or anything tap
1:22:55or Andrew Lane taer okay I'll look it up
1:23:00that's fine we're in so you went met her
1:23:03Sunday about noon um what' you guys do
1:23:07at her place
1:23:09well she realized my legs I wouldn't be
1:23:12able to do stuff with them so her her
1:23:15brother and her brother's date went to a
1:23:19thrift store while she had me sleep just
1:23:25she just put me to bed and they went and
1:23:28when they get home around
1:23:312:30 cat and I rush back to my house let
1:23:35the girls out and we go back straight to
1:23:38the
1:23:39farm okay were you at the farm before
1:23:41you went to let the dogs out or no we
1:23:44were at cat's like it's like a duplex so
1:23:47Cat's Cat's house Sunday around noon um
1:23:51you went to sleep with well cat her
1:23:55sister her brother Cat's brother and his
1:23:58date and his date okay sorry about that
1:24:02went to a thrift
1:24:04store then then we went to crest's and
1:24:08we ate um after that James left after
1:24:12dinner leaving his date with us and we
1:24:15we took a
1:24:16swim after the swim we we left
1:24:21um went to cat's house drop off his date
1:24:26the date stayed at cat's
1:24:31house I think the date is a rose maybe
1:24:35is what her name was
1:24:38Rose um who you ever met her before no
1:24:41this was a Tinder match from her brother
1:24:44Cat's brother
1:24:48okay um
1:24:54what time do you suppose you guys went
1:24:55to C's house so got to cats around
1:24:59noon we got back cat and I went to my
1:25:03house to let the dogs out then we
1:25:06left oh I think we got
1:25:09gas and then we went to crestes so I
1:25:12would say we got
1:25:15to it was maybe 4 when we got there we
1:25:19were late for
1:25:20dinner but it was good cuz it was still
1:25:22setting up
1:25:26where did you guys get gas at do you
1:25:27remember that one of the quick trips in
1:25:30town I I can't
1:25:33remember I'm sorry
1:25:37um when you say in town are we talking
1:25:40deest Sun Prairie the forest it had to
1:25:43be
1:25:46okay I think we got I I'm still not
1:25:49super sure but I know we we were doing
1:25:53something on the way or we didn't do
1:25:55something I thought we were going to do
1:25:57a return but I'm jumbling it right now
1:26:00so just have that we went to my house
1:26:03and back the CR CU we were late okay for
1:26:07dinner what were you guys driving were
1:26:11you in your cat's red
1:26:13Subaru okay was she driving or you she
1:26:16she drives that cat her
1:26:20car red Subaru you said yeah she it's at
1:26:24my house right now oh okay and you road
1:26:27with her
1:26:30yes um where'd you guys go for a swim
1:26:34there's like a little pool up at the
1:26:37cress's house oh she's been helping me
1:26:40my walking and everything and they get
1:26:42me
1:26:43there okay is it indoor or outdoor
1:26:47outdoor must been nice with how hot it
1:26:49has been yeah they they got something
1:26:51fancy to heat it from the Sun okay but
1:26:55that was the three of us
1:26:58yeah then we went back to around six no
1:27:05later maybe seven we went back to cat's
1:27:09apartment dropped off
1:27:11Rose got cat's dirty or wet clothes she
1:27:17had wet
1:27:18clothes cuz she was going to drive them
1:27:22and we went to my house
1:27:25together so rolls got dropped off at
1:27:27cats yeah the duplex in the east side
1:27:32okay was it James with you guys at that
1:27:35point or no James left after dinner
1:27:39around 4:30 okay
1:27:46um
1:27:49keep did was he not getting along with
1:27:51rose or no he he had work oh okay
1:27:57um that
1:28:00sucks working on the fourth of July um
1:28:05something so you Dro did Rose get
1:28:08dropped off at cat's duplex then yes we
1:28:11refer to cat's house is the duplex yep
1:28:14Crest Crest is the farm grow berries yep
1:28:19my house is my house that's how I refer
1:28:22it gotcha gotcha
1:28:27um where are we Sunday night about
1:28:31700 we got Rose dropped off we get to my
1:28:36house and we go to my house in divorc
1:28:40Wednesday we feed the
1:28:42girls we put her clothes that she
1:28:45brought the wet stuff in the dryer
1:28:48because that's what she needed to
1:28:51do we'll get her clothes dve
1:28:54uh that's after we get back
1:28:56actually
1:28:58um and then we go to dance okay um for
1:29:02the fireworks that he asked us to come
1:29:05by
1:29:078:30 um for some reason I I was trying
1:29:10to leave
1:29:12but I was making a a joke about it that
1:29:15we're we're going to be late like stuff
1:29:17like that goofy crab I drove to dance
1:29:21okay which car are we guys in my dad sub
1:29:25a blue the one in the
1:29:27gr
1:29:29yeah
1:29:31gotcha then we get there we stay for 45
1:29:36to an hour which that's how I got the
1:29:39ble rocket marks show me
1:29:42those
1:29:44that the Sparks and I think this was a
1:29:47wad or something that flew back shot
1:29:50back out of it yeah that one stuck in
1:29:53for a little bit
1:29:54that's why it's so bad that these are
1:29:56sparks okay those there a dance house
1:29:58you got those dance a
1:30:01dance I I didn't know the stick you you
1:30:05don't hold the stick the stick flies
1:30:07with it oh sure I didn't
1:30:10know
1:30:16um you're over at Dan house about 45
1:30:19minutes to an hour yeah get my hands a
1:30:21little bit oh we find a firework that it
1:30:26spins and takes off and it went straight
1:30:29to the
1:30:30bush so we were like no more of that
1:30:33we're done
1:30:38um did light the Bush on
1:30:41fire no no thankfully it wasn't hot
1:30:44enough for that good after that we
1:30:47cleaned I gave him a bottle of wine as a
1:30:50thank you for letting
1:30:51us come
1:30:55I thankfully I still have a couple
1:30:58bottles at
1:31:03home um while we're there Dan had a few
1:31:07beers his girlfriend was there or fiance
1:31:11or or wife I'm not sure their
1:31:14relationship but she was
1:31:17there know her name never got her
1:31:21name Just Dance girlfriend got purple
1:31:24hair she's it at
1:31:26MATC the school is own
1:31:28it okay anybody else there just the two
1:31:33of us and then the neighbors watched one
1:31:36to our left and one across the street
1:31:38one
1:31:41group um the one across the street had
1:31:44some cooler stuff than I've ever seen
1:31:46our person be able to own firework
1:31:52wise um but there there we are and then
1:31:57then someone in the distance kind of
1:31:59closer to our house launched a
1:32:01mortar artillery firework mhm and then I
1:32:06was like okay we have to go home for the
1:32:08dogs so we went and that was
1:32:14pushing 9:30
1:32:169:45 we got
1:32:19home we uh got into the couch fort
1:32:31and put on Daybreak was the apocalypse
1:32:34show
1:32:36Daybreak
1:32:38um I put on that because we were trying
1:32:40to finish it on Netflix
1:32:43yes um this is cat and I still she was
1:32:46spending the night um the whole time
1:32:49dogs are pushing me nosing me and
1:32:52everything and so we kind of stop and
1:32:56stop watching and she goes to
1:32:58bed
1:33:00um I'm trying to let the dogs out or at
1:33:02least go back in a little bit but the
1:33:05fireworks they she they
1:33:09couldn't um we get to bed upstairs in my
1:33:14room because she doesn't like the couch
1:33:18and she had work in the morning
1:33:20yeah and I'd say that's 10
1:33:2410
1:33:2610:30 and the whole time the younger dog
1:33:29keeps jumping on us um so I leave cat in
1:33:33the bed and I go sit out out down in the
1:33:37the the couches and chairs down by the
1:33:40real dinner table mhm I go sit there and
1:33:43just hang out with the dog so cat can
1:33:45get asleep where we first started
1:33:47talking last night like the kitchen
1:33:49dining room and the couches okay got I
1:33:52sit down there so cat can get some sleat
1:33:53cuz I don't work tomorrow she does
1:33:56MHM um then I put the ladder in front of
1:33:59those steps so the girls can't come
1:34:02up I uh they pee on the
1:34:06kitchen ties so I clean that and like
1:34:09well at least they went before bed you
1:34:12know it wasn't the worst thing they're
1:34:14not going to go outside
1:34:16yeah then I go to bed
1:34:20okay then it's Monday morning
1:34:23cat goes to
1:34:25work 7:50 is maybe
1:34:29earlier then I'm left to myself
1:34:33so we put on new girl in the couch for
1:34:36it on Monday morning
1:34:39mhm I go back and forth through some
1:34:42video games and then
1:34:45back video games
1:34:54back and
1:35:00then those don't like to stand up very
1:35:03good I'm sorry I'm trying to stretch a
1:35:05little bit while I'm
1:35:06sitting
1:35:08um new girl video games this is
1:35:15one um we're getting later I have a
1:35:18little bit of tea for lunch
1:35:24Monday well at the end of the day on
1:35:28Monday I did
1:35:30go for the afternoon I did go to the
1:35:34farm to talk to Crest and Cat's
1:35:38mom I told them what's happening with my
1:35:41health because I had the appointment at
1:35:43two did you go to the farm before or
1:35:46after after because I I told them what
1:35:48happened to me and I told them the legs
1:35:51are probably going to be permanent and
1:35:54the headaches should be fixed after the
1:35:57hammer just cleared a little
1:35:59bit
1:36:02so now that I'm
1:36:07there I talked to their mom
1:36:13um and Crest
1:36:15together
1:36:17and I think cat's mom is all right with
1:36:21me she's
1:36:25I don't know if she wants me to move
1:36:27into her the East Side cat's house okay
1:36:32and start paying rent as an apartment
1:36:34because she doesn't like to live at home
1:36:36does cat live with her mom or cat has an
1:36:39apartment okay
1:36:41somewhere cat does yeah it's on it's by
1:36:45Mifflin okay the party Avenue it's by
1:36:48there um
1:36:54okay so I'm there talking to their mom
1:36:58and
1:37:00press when I
1:37:02um then I go
1:37:04up uh have you know a breakdown by their
1:37:09shed and they go
1:37:12swimming um right by the swimming pool
1:37:15is shed so they're they wanted to watch
1:37:18me
1:37:19like you
1:37:21know break down and all that so after I
1:37:25noticed they're just watching I just
1:37:29walk over to
1:37:31them describe your breakdown to me uh I
1:37:36actually
1:37:39cried started kicking grass just doing
1:37:43the toddler tantrum [ __ ] um then
1:37:48I hopped in the water with them okay so
1:37:51it was too late I was in the water and
1:37:54he realized Crest didn't have a top um
1:37:57and that was
1:37:58uncomfortable but I talk to them more
1:38:00and that's what she brought up the
1:38:02housing situation how she doesn't like
1:38:05all my parents
1:38:06like are I guess I don't she know she
1:38:11doesn't know them that well she never
1:38:13met them okay CHR was saying that cat's
1:38:16mom cat's mom is
1:38:18uh speaks
1:38:21his first thought right away
1:38:24yeah so
1:38:25she's so they're offering me to get a
1:38:29job live with
1:38:31them work for them while I'm working and
1:38:35pay rent and that's kind of their their
1:38:38deal I would have like a month free of
1:38:40rent or a month or two maybe if if
1:38:43they're thinking um I could be able to
1:38:46borrow a car from Crest maybe if she's
1:38:49nice or not using it I'd be able to go
1:38:52to work
1:38:54do she have a lot of cars or something
1:38:56no no okay there an exra one probably
1:39:00she stays at the farm okay so if she
1:39:03didn't need it I could use it sure to go
1:39:07to a job or at least
1:39:09interviews yeah I was hoping for a job
1:39:13you know near where I live so I could
1:39:15bike that would keep me you know these
1:39:19going I don't want I don't think they
1:39:20can get worse but I I can keep doing it
1:39:23you know
1:39:24yeah
1:39:29um where are we Sunday so you were
1:39:31swimming um a little breakdown what were
1:39:34you having a breakdown
1:39:37about you ever have your legs no I
1:39:44just I don't even know if they're done
1:39:46getting like as bad as they they can be
1:39:48yet so that's a that's not fun and you I
1:39:52think you were telling me last night it
1:39:53was it's a symptom of a concussion right
1:39:56so right that's not it that's a it's a
1:39:58symptom of nerve damage from the hit my
1:40:01spine so it's permanent okay I
1:40:04understand that not better yeah um so
1:40:07it's just legs think it's waste feeling
1:40:11is probably coloss bag down the road and
1:40:14all of that but here we are Sunday
1:40:20yeah okay we're sitting in the pool
1:40:22we're hanging
1:40:26out um they're just talking to
1:40:31me sometimes they're being nice
1:40:33sometimes they're like making the offer
1:40:34like hey if you move in you can pay rent
1:40:37this is a good
1:40:38neighborhood um it's called a sack
1:40:41there's
1:40:44parking
1:40:46so yeah on the east side just off of
1:40:49Milwaukee Street that's Andrew Andrew
1:40:52you take the left turn on to Andrew by
1:40:54Milwaukee
1:40:56y so that's
1:40:58it um so it's a good neighborhood kind
1:41:02of like the one by my parents
1:41:05mhm I if I live there I at least be on
1:41:09doing my own
1:41:11thing and then they're like well
1:41:14appreciate you stopping by so I I I head
1:41:17out and I
1:41:19go was Monday afternoon I go to dinner
1:41:22at cat
1:41:23cat's house on the east side
1:41:26okay what time do you think that
1:41:31was had to be 7:30 I left the farm which
1:41:34is prees 7:30
1:41:37p.m.
1:41:39PR
1:41:41okay
1:41:47so
1:41:50cats and then
1:41:55she's she's planning on feeding me um
1:41:59this is Monday correct yeah it's after
1:42:02the farm soon
1:42:08Cress I think we just eat and cuddle a
1:42:11little bit okay when I go
1:42:16home there's the girls um let them out
1:42:20and go to bed cuz I kind of B a day yeah
1:42:25what time you think you left for Place
1:42:27cat
1:42:30N9 he left about 9 okay
1:42:35um she didn't come with you no I was
1:42:38alone that night
1:42:43okay want to drag her away sure I think
1:42:46she stayed at her apartment that or her
1:42:49house that night not apartment
1:42:51Okay so there we
1:42:56are Tuesday Tuesday
1:42:59morning I was
1:43:06just I can't IED it um
1:43:11oh Dan wakes me up I believe with
1:43:15something or not wakes me up I I did the
1:43:17six again with the dogs and the food but
1:43:19I got back in bed I don't know if I
1:43:21passed out or zoned out a little bit
1:43:27um Dan is worried about my ma on Tuesday
1:43:31I
1:43:32think did he call said no no word
1:43:36m I don't know if he called her I think
1:43:39he just contacted that's what I can
1:43:41think of reached out yeah he reached
1:43:43out then I'm like oh it's Tuesday
1:43:45morning they should be here um little
1:43:49worried I think I called my mom that day
1:43:55all right and
1:43:58then you J for no she
1:44:02never it's always
1:44:05the the voicemail in said voicemail you
1:44:08know when yeah so it's off out of
1:44:12range I don't know the other factors
1:44:14that could give you that it's like a
1:44:16voicemail right away goes right to
1:44:18voicemail right yeah okay so whatever
1:44:20factors can give you that so I might
1:44:22have missed so from the time like they
1:44:25left did you talk to them at all when
1:44:28they were I got a you got the one text
1:44:31and I that you mentioned earlier don't
1:44:33even like it right yeah but that was it
1:44:35nothing else yeah so that's that's fishy
1:44:38to me even the text because I realized
1:44:41Memorial Day is when the White Lake
1:44:42parade is oh sure there's no Fourth of
1:44:46July maybe there's cheap drinks but
1:44:48there's no parade quite like on the
1:44:51fourth
1:44:54so well maybe there is
1:44:56now I realize I I've always gone on
1:45:00Memorial because that's when that's the
1:45:03weekend I I get timed off from school
1:45:06and all of that you don't get time off
1:45:07for the fourth so so basically from the
1:45:09time that they're gone at the cabin and
1:45:12your home you know running around doing
1:45:14what you're doing you just said one
1:45:17communication with Mom yeah that's kind
1:45:19of how I just assumed the amount of
1:45:22people
1:45:23the where they're at and whether they're
1:45:25all well I understand I just Mak sure
1:45:29her not contacting but this is the only
1:45:31text was there anything with Dad no I I
1:45:34would even bother talking to him he he
1:45:36wouldn't use his phone while he's up
1:45:38there he loves it
1:45:41oh you know does he keep his phone on
1:45:43him when he's up
1:45:45there it's usually in the car oh okay um
1:45:50my brother and I just text all the time
1:45:52while we're up there
1:45:53we even set up wire and Tennis sometimes
1:45:56to make make better connection sure um
1:46:00so here we are where Tuesday um called
1:46:04Mom voicemail immediately voicemail
1:46:07immediately
1:46:09Tuesday Dan Dan called worried about mom
1:46:12not coming to work um you had already
1:46:15fed the dogs and that before Dan called
1:46:17you or reached out to
1:46:38so doing
1:46:43this I I got a coffee at a quick trip
1:46:46one
1:46:47day well I think that could have been
1:46:49Tuesday morning okay I quick trip I got
1:46:53a coffee and
1:46:56I um I Ed my dad's number at a quick
1:46:59trip to get me the free one it group of
1:47:02gold I I could have I could have
1:47:04afforded it but you know there's a free
1:47:06one and it's Tuesday or it was a Monday
1:47:09I could have gotten a dollar one but was
1:47:12full price I believe and I I grabbed the
1:47:14the coffee cuz it was a free one he
1:47:16hasn't used it for weeks so I grabb that
1:47:19had a quick trip I couldn't tell you
1:47:21which one I was just driving at that
1:47:23point um when you get when you use a
1:47:27it's a rewards card is what they call it
1:47:28right you just enter his phone number or
1:47:30something you typed
1:47:32it okay
1:47:35um but I got coffee had to be I'm
1:47:39assuming
1:47:40Tuesday and I got a free
1:47:44one sweet it's it was terrible oh it was
1:47:48yeah I wanted to try kba gold yeah it
1:47:51wasn't bad
1:47:53um then we're at
1:47:55Tuesday uh cat's working I'm gaming job
1:48:00hun and then I um then I started trying
1:48:03to get the the
1:48:06glass I been a little lazy on the glass
1:48:11I just kind of have chairs in front of
1:48:13it I broom
1:48:16and you know a little sweeper holder you
1:48:19know you broom it into that dust pan
1:48:21yeah and then tossing the glass into
1:48:29recycling
1:48:31um I get most of it there's there's a
1:48:34bunch in the cracks of the stone that
1:48:36I'm picking out by
1:48:38hand think I didn't injure myself from
1:48:41that
1:48:42but um
1:48:45just
1:48:50yeah just um
1:48:55my blood was kind of on the floor so I
1:48:57got the Swiffer I borrowed from
1:49:00cat from the the
1:49:03foot I brought a Swiffer to M and I
1:49:06Swiffer the the floor floor like not the
1:49:09stone but the
1:49:10floor and then I got a little bit in the
1:49:13kitchen and then everywhere kind of I
1:49:15walked pretty much the bathroom the
1:49:18kitchen and then I couldn't get the
1:49:21carpet so I still stained that up little
1:49:24crappy where was their carpet at the
1:49:27stairs between basement and kitchen
1:49:29carpet oh that's right carpet
1:49:31stays um I tried I can't get it
1:49:36out I don't know how to do that
1:49:40but um then all the way up to my the
1:49:44laundry room where I found my first aid
1:49:46kit I just tried to stop all the
1:49:48bleeding but I you know it wouldn't stop
1:49:51so
1:49:54that blood was all coming from your left
1:49:56foot yeah left foot
1:49:59hole left foot hole Yeah I mean we're
1:50:03talking are we talking massive amounts
1:50:04of blood are we talking you know a
1:50:06little bit like describe um it started
1:50:10as
1:50:11drops until I got to the
1:50:13bathroom and then I got back to go grab
1:50:16my sock and some of the the paper towel
1:50:21and then I see the glasses in there so I
1:50:23grab it TW and I pull it out and then it
1:50:24starts squirting out and I I got some on
1:50:29a little bit of the rock it wasn't that
1:50:31bad of the rock but it
1:50:34um I think the worst was the that floor
1:50:39when Chandler was booked in the police
1:50:40department his foot was photographed and
1:50:40looked at the cut he had was less than
1:50:41an inch long incredibly shallow Chandler
1:50:42emphasized the size of the wound in
1:50:43order to explain away any blood that is
1:50:44found in the house and further gain
1:50:45sympathy from the officers like it kind
1:50:48of like you know like this lid puddles M
1:50:51it was wasn't good was the floor down in
1:50:54the basement well that one um and then I
1:51:00go
1:51:01upstairs to the kitchen and it's still
1:51:04going and I'm trying to get my foot in
1:51:06the sink just to slow it down and pinch
1:51:09it
1:51:11maybe um and then I waddle upstairs
1:51:16to the the the ey pack or the the first
1:51:22a
1:51:23okay and um once I got it kind of
1:51:27bundled up that's stopped for for what I
1:51:32know then I
1:51:34go I need to get some
1:51:38tape um we have a tape box in the
1:51:40basement I go there and I I opened it up
1:51:44again and I bled a little bit more but
1:51:46the basement was easy to clean but it's
1:51:48just
1:51:49cement a little bit of water and I raged
1:51:52that up
1:51:53but I grabbed the tape box and I wrapped
1:51:55it um after that that was that's Tuesday
1:52:02yep
1:52:07that's wings I go to
1:52:10cats okay we had wings what
1:52:13time um could I've been doing the BS of
1:52:19first aid and all that I go to cat's
1:52:21house with her mom his other that could
1:52:24have
1:52:26been five or
1:52:28six I could give you the
1:52:30exact did you guys pick up the wings and
1:52:33go there
1:52:34or no I I drove to
1:52:38cats straight there um what' you drive
1:52:42the
1:52:43subu car of choice I just um the with
1:52:47the Volvo seat
1:52:50like you know do it with my foot okay
1:52:59um so you're talking about wings did you
1:53:02guys go pick up wings or yeah so we get
1:53:05there and we're calling around seeing
1:53:08what's up James is getting home with
1:53:10Jimmy
1:53:14Johns um and we're like oh don't eat all
1:53:18of it he's like I'm hungry now do all
1:53:20that post gym
1:53:22[Music]
1:53:24so he grabs he eats half of his sandwich
1:53:26and then we go cat night the Two of Us
1:53:29in my car we go
1:53:31to Buffalo
1:53:36Wildwoods you remember which one I could
1:53:39tell you okay
1:53:41I
1:53:45um it had to be East right that's close
1:53:48to it's by a mall probably by a mall
1:53:53there's them all
1:53:55um we go in we get the wings we go
1:54:02out we go to cats we
1:54:06eat um we watch this movie pretty and
1:54:09pink or something it's about a girl that
1:54:12likes fashion and goes to
1:54:16Harvard so is that on Netflix or just
1:54:18normal
1:54:21TV they have like everything there I
1:54:24didn't I didn't
1:54:26know all right so we at the wings at
1:54:28cats watch pretty and
1:54:30pink yes it was a m choice but
1:54:35um the four of us yeah we all ate okay
1:54:38and then went upstairs lay down in her
1:54:41bed for a few
1:54:45minutes just letting the food settle or
1:54:48yeah hanging out um notice she's kind of
1:54:52of fallen
1:54:54asleep so I'm like okay I'm ready to get
1:54:57out of here and I go home get the girls
1:55:02all ready for bed going
1:55:04outside get them
1:55:09water what time do you think you made it
1:55:13home say
1:55:169 the latest
1:55:21and
1:55:23girls water well not really food they've
1:55:26ate before but
1:55:27water and played like indoor play time
1:55:31and the bathroom sure
1:55:36so did you guys go to so you were home
1:55:39alone then um I've been home alone this
1:55:42whole weekend really except when cat
1:55:43comes yeah so cat didn't come that
1:55:47night so now we're we're pushing
1:55:49Wednesday aren't we um
1:55:56what time do you think you went to bed
1:55:57on Tuesday night um probably pretty dang
1:56:02close when I got home 10 at the
1:56:07latest kind of been tired lately sure um
1:56:12then in the morning
1:56:14on Sunday no wait where are we Wednesday
1:56:19Wednesday okay so Wednesday um
1:56:23I try to go to the farm I keep spamming
1:56:26Crest and spamming
1:56:28Crest I kind of need someone to talk to
1:56:31cuz freaking out about my parents um
1:56:34Jane's calling me I give her the address
1:56:36to go to the farm to the to the cabin
1:56:41Jane Jane
1:56:46helenor um never picked up from Crest so
1:56:51I go home
1:56:55um did you drive over to the farm or
1:56:58yeah yeah cuz she wasn't answering her
1:57:01phone right no I got close but then I
1:57:04realized I can't just show up they
1:57:05they'd shoot me they don't know what I
1:57:09drive or what I look like with a hat on
1:57:12they got guns over there or would they
1:57:15actually shoot you no I'm just saying
1:57:18there her dad lives there he's he's 90
1:57:22he he got a buck when he was 95 or
1:57:25something so I I know if he didn't know
1:57:28who I was he could have
1:57:30yeah so he's he's
1:57:34a but he can use a gun that's why I
1:57:38would do that yeah so cr's dad lives
1:57:41there too yeah who's is it cr's Farm or
1:57:44Dad's Farm it's Dad's he built it oh
1:57:46okay and then she she lives there she's
1:57:49managing the property because he's in a
1:57:51chair yeah he's
1:57:52oh
1:57:54um so then it's not really a farm it's a
1:57:58farm hobby Farm yeah yeah okay I got you
1:58:01I haven't never been there let wild
1:58:03flowers grow for the the beast that's
1:58:05pretty much it and their own berries but
1:58:08it's
1:58:09um then here we are I turn around and
1:58:13then Jane
1:58:15calls I get a picture of property at the
1:58:20cabin I see see
1:58:23that so I'm looking at the
1:58:27cabin then it doesn't look right there's
1:58:29a birch tree in in
1:58:32front and I I didn't like the look of it
1:58:35cuz that didn't that didn't just sit
1:58:37right with me a little bit but I it
1:58:40looked like tracks were pushed down into
1:58:42the grass a little bit I don't know in
1:58:45the picture and Mike said there was like
1:58:48light tracks like someone was there
1:58:52where was the birch tree at it looked
1:58:54like it was in the middle of the drive
1:58:56and sometimes we do do that we we find a
1:58:59fallen log and we put it like a you know
1:59:02a double door entrance so you go in from
1:59:05the gate you park you move the next and
1:59:09then you drive there sure so that's like
1:59:12the only security we can get up
1:59:15there um some we have done that
1:59:18before the grass is overgrown but that's
1:59:21from the storm in the Fallen trees you
1:59:24can't mow there because the
1:59:31flowers so with the birch tree I mean if
1:59:33you guys typically put stuff down like
1:59:36security why why did it look weird too
1:59:39this
1:59:39time never seen that log we have we have
1:59:43this log that's close to the shed
1:59:47it's I would say closer to petrified
1:59:50than rotten it's hard like really
1:59:53hard yeah I don't know what kind of tree
1:59:56but that's what my dad and I use when we
1:59:59go so he typically use the same tree
2:00:01this one just seemed out of place too
2:00:03yeah that's not the tree we use gotta
2:00:12um where are we Wednesday morning U Jane
2:00:15sends you a picture up the cabin you see
2:00:17the Birch Street and look right to you
2:00:20then I go to police station
2:00:22because I ask her when should I make a
2:00:25thing a point
2:00:29or I'm sorry don't worries
2:00:35man what Wednesday morning you said you
2:00:37want to the police department yeah to
2:00:39make
2:00:41a I'll talk to him about my
2:00:45parents and um then I met with three
2:00:49sheriffs like came you said
2:00:53three there was a cely he's bearded the
2:00:58guy that drove me here I'm not sure the
2:01:01name and then Collins
2:01:05uh she was also
2:01:08doing canvasing
2:01:11mhm so
2:01:15canvasing so here we are throws three I
2:01:18get the questions
2:01:20answered then
2:01:24and oh then we go to my house and then
2:01:27there's three more the same three
2:01:31sheriffs um so they talk to you at the
2:01:33police station or wherever you yeah you
2:01:35get the information and stuff like that
2:01:37and then they came to your house yeah
2:01:39yeah okay and that's probably about then
2:01:42I came a couple hours later they were
2:01:44there questioning you're here now
2:01:46questioning mhm and then that night that
2:01:52what night on Wednesday Wednesday night
2:01:55I um go to Dan and
2:01:57Mary's Wednesday night Wednesday night
2:01:59what time do you think they feed me um I
2:02:02had probably 7
2:02:047:30 when you said you wented to a Mary
2:02:08or Mary Sesto and
2:02:10Dan something
2:02:14AIT so Mary Sesto house Mary Sesto house
2:02:18it's it's um on the same road as yours
2:02:22yeah they just up around the corner for
2:02:25dinner you went there yeah well they
2:02:27just fed me they didn't eat okay they
2:02:29just wanted to
2:02:32brainstorm any good ideas come out of
2:02:36it no okay so you said you we only could
2:02:39think of Dan and Dan's been here yeah so
2:02:42you said you went to the the police
2:02:44department to talk about your parents
2:02:47what just tell me what exactly did they
2:02:49talk about your parents with the
2:02:51deputies about oh we're making a report
2:02:54a report that I thought I had to do that
2:02:57at a at station
2:02:59okay and you were reporting like what
2:03:02were you reporting exactly just I just
2:03:04want to write down and yeah have it on
2:03:06there I they're missing this okay
2:03:09they're missing
2:03:11okay
2:03:14gotcha and as far as as far as you know
2:03:20um I mean were you able to tell we've
2:03:23gone into a lot of detail last night and
2:03:25tonight right yeah do you think that you
2:03:27gave
2:03:28them as much information as you've given
2:03:31me or you think that we you asked way
2:03:34more questions you even asked about my
2:03:36injuries the bleeding and the fireplace
2:03:39yeah um the sheriff's kind of gave what
2:03:43they need to make reports and you just
2:03:45asked about like home life everything
2:03:50right okay uh so you you got more in
2:03:53depth yeah I think um Wednesday here we
2:03:57are and throughout the weekend I've been
2:03:59calling
2:04:01mhm
2:04:03okay all right um just kind of look at
2:04:06some things here so we started
2:04:09Wednesday um mom had work you and your
2:04:13dad watched Wheel of Fortune just going
2:04:15to kind of read stuff back through a
2:04:17little bit okay um and we kind of ended
2:04:19it last night because that's I've been
2:04:20talking to you since then you know so I
2:04:22don't think there's much else that I
2:04:24need you to tell me from last night
2:04:29um so watching Wheel of Fortune you're
2:04:32on the couch table downstair couch the
2:04:35back to the downstairs and tossing the
2:04:37ball the dog and broke the GL fireplace
2:04:38um your foot gets hurt that gets mad
2:04:41right yeah mom left work in the morning
2:04:42comes home later on um dog was fine not
2:04:46injured at all was it the dog or the
2:04:47ball that crashed into the glass both
2:04:50the ball bounced it but the dog hit it
2:04:52with the shoulder that's how it broke it
2:04:54would ball would have done it yeah
2:04:57probably not okay
2:05:01um all right
2:05:03um playing games watching YouTube job
2:05:06search I'm just going to instead of
2:05:09reading out loud just make sure I don't
2:05:10have any
2:05:11questions
2:05:15um you guys typically make your beds
2:05:17every day look like they're made
2:05:19yesterday when I was there yes okay we
2:05:22you your sheets every few days in
2:05:29beds you change the sheets every every
2:05:32few yeah they get changed going to say
2:05:34that's
2:05:36bases or the dog hair it's kind of hard
2:05:39to sleep yeah they probably do have some
2:05:41pretty long hair the heat they shed um
2:05:46but
2:05:48oh no that's fine I get it I get a dog
2:05:52he sheds two but you got two of them you
2:05:55know all
2:06:02right as far
2:06:04as as far as the blood on your
2:06:07foot um how did you clean that up so we
2:06:11we were talking you got you had blood on
2:06:14swier wet okay so for what J and where
2:06:18did you get that from can't let me
2:06:20borrow it um where's it at now I
2:06:23returned it to cat
2:06:27[Music]
2:06:31yeah I don't know where it's at now he
2:06:35just brought it
2:06:37back back
2:06:40um did you use anything
2:06:43else hydrogen peroxide for the the tiles
2:06:48and the hard floors
2:06:53um just the big Globs needed a little
2:06:57bit hydrogen cide do that seem to help
2:07:00get rid of the
2:07:01blood well it hurt my foot by that stuff
2:07:05um but it didn't really help it kind of
2:07:08just made a mess and when you say only
2:07:10on tiles I'm trying to remember your
2:07:12house I couldn't do carpet with it it
2:07:14would ruin the carpet right it would I
2:07:16think so um tiles are we talking kitchen
2:07:20cuz downstairs just like some well when
2:07:22I had some blood on the basement I used
2:07:24the
2:07:26peroxide okay basement floor and tiles
2:07:29in the kitchen yeah okay yeah I for
2:07:32excited there it wasn't as much like
2:07:35there weren't like this size pools in
2:07:37the kitchen I was pinching it pretty
2:07:39dang hard but which was also cutting
2:07:42deeper cuz I had another might still
2:07:44have another piece of glass is that the
2:07:47biggest pool that you saw was something
2:07:49this was downstairs this was
2:07:52kind of on the
2:07:53Stone close to the glass and then there
2:07:56was one right at the base kind of where
2:07:59the chairs I
2:08:00put like a
2:08:03good like 2 3 in diameter 2 3 in
2:08:08diameter okay
2:08:11um more than that
2:08:24did you do anything to so I wrote down
2:08:26on Tuesday that you tried getting the
2:08:28glass cleaned up in the basement um
2:08:30tossed it in the glass glass and
2:08:32recycling did you clean up it all when
2:08:34it actually happened no my dad was
2:08:37Furious um so he he did stuff to clean
2:08:41it yeah I don't know what he
2:08:46did but I he sent me to my room upstairs
2:08:50and he did whatever he did but it still
2:08:52was on the floor after he was done
2:08:55okay
2:08:58um did your dad get injured at all when
2:09:00the glass broke did he step on any he
2:09:03hent me up but
2:09:05I don't doubt it and he gets mad he's
2:09:08not
2:09:09thinking so we don't know if your dad
2:09:12got hurt no okay no but my best guess is
2:09:17that guy reached in the fireplace and
2:09:19cut up his arm or something I don't
2:09:24know all
2:09:27right what's up head pain do you guys
2:09:30said like Tylenol or
2:09:33something I know you guys can't really
2:09:35offer anything like that like a headache
2:09:38yeah I've been getting the migraines
2:09:40from all of the the hits and stuff try
2:09:44to give you something
2:09:45[Music]
2:09:46MH um so all right so cleaning up the
2:09:49blood we just got the Swiffer and the
2:09:51and the hydrogen
2:09:52peroxide um just kind of smoothed it
2:09:59around there's
2:10:01another U paper toweling yeah just that
2:10:06okay and then
2:10:08there's I don't
2:10:12know where did all those paper towels go
2:10:15just on the trash yeah um some
2:10:22everywhere my car trash in my my
2:10:29trash um they ended up in the car trash
2:10:33there's a bag in the car that I carried
2:10:35around it's a car trash Oh okay it's
2:10:37like a gallon bag okay that's more
2:10:39portable than the garbage
2:10:42can so yeah bloody rag after bloody rag
2:10:46just trying to get it all up and mhm I
2:10:49don't know it was it was a lot
2:10:51I I didn't feel sick so it could have
2:10:54been that much right yeah you didn't
2:10:55lose enough to pass out or
2:10:57anything is there any reason to believe
2:11:00Mom or Dad's blood would be somewhere in
2:11:03the house have they been injured at all
2:11:06that you're aware of well my dad
2:11:09scratches his psoriasis till he like
2:11:11gushes blood okay gushing describe
2:11:15gushing to me enough to run down your
2:11:17leg like um like cover your leg I go
2:11:21like he has it on his
2:11:23knee so he does this it just
2:11:27like DPS
2:11:29down and I asked him to stop but he
2:11:32doesn't do it when he's stressed out he
2:11:34just kind of like it's his tick yeah
2:11:37probably itches does he um like does it
2:11:41enough to get on the floor does it leave
2:11:43oh yeah yeah like how much like before
2:11:46we were talking the water bottle lid and
2:11:47the yeti lid is there I mean like are we
2:11:49talking puddles like that or just
2:11:52or it could be enough okay but I'm
2:11:56thinking Yeti L if he's there and I
2:11:58don't catch him soon enough oh jeez my
2:12:01M's
2:12:02blood D just from her bloody noses she
2:12:06gets sometimes when she wakes up that's
2:12:08why we've been doing the dehumidify or
2:12:12humidifier and
2:12:14dehumidifiers yeah probably downstairs
2:12:17you get the we we have to do multiple of
2:12:19them but she can't be in the living room
2:12:21too long cuz that's a dehumidifier and
2:12:24if she does her nose gets
2:12:28bad not like a regular one she gets it
2:12:32bad
2:12:34um but she either goes to the kitchen to
2:12:37fix it her vanity or the
2:12:43bathroom um when she has bloody noes are
2:12:45we talking it's just spraying around is
2:12:48it just dripping well it's not squirting
2:12:49but it's dripping she doesn't notice it
2:12:52okay she can't feel it anymore when
2:12:55asked if there is any reason for his
2:12:57parents blood to be found around the
2:12:58house Chandler says yes and gives places
2:13:01where the blood would be found these are
2:13:02likely the areas where he killed his
2:13:04parents or places he remembers their
2:13:06blood being during the attacks Chandler
2:13:08keeps emphasizing how much his mom would
2:13:10get terrible nose bleeds and his dad's
2:13:12psoriasis would cause his leg to bleed
2:13:14but the amount of blood that would be
2:13:15found would be insignificant this is
2:13:17Chandler's way of explaining away
2:13:19evidence that is yet to be found found
2:13:21by the
2:13:23police
2:13:25um is there any reason to believe that
2:13:27in either one of their vehicles there
2:13:29would be any of their
2:13:33blood their vehicles yeah or anybody's
2:13:36vehicle I say that um maybe car
2:13:40trash mom's car trash was definitely the
2:13:43past few days my dad's car
2:13:48trash why would they have blood in their
2:13:50car
2:13:52trashes well my mom does the bloody
2:13:55noses with the air conditioning so okay
2:13:57in the would we have air conditioning my
2:13:59mom won't will have to use um uh bring
2:14:04towels and stuff because in the hot days
2:14:07you can't have your windows open you'll
2:14:09you won't drive well no so air
2:14:11conditioning my mom will have nose
2:14:15bades um my dad hasn't had them as much
2:14:19as she does but he gets them
2:14:21okay um his are worse than my
2:14:25Ma's does he ever get them in the house
2:14:28then or um mostly just with air
2:14:31conditioning but sometimes sometimes
2:14:34with a
2:14:35dehumidifier
2:14:36okay me personally just in air
2:14:39conditioning mhm I get them but not as
2:14:43bad as my parents I is um not bad
2:14:49okay all right
2:15:02[Music]
2:15:07[Music]
2:15:15yeah I'm I'm just thinking it's kind of
2:15:17absorbing
2:15:21I just want to make sure that I'm asking
2:15:23everything so I don't have to keep
2:15:24calling me and stuff you know my brother
2:15:26is he okay Mitch yeah did he make it I
2:15:31know that's a long drive he hasn't
2:15:32called yeah he hasn't called me at all
2:15:34so I don't know I don't think they've
2:15:36ever done a trip like that so so 3 hours
2:15:40three and a half
2:15:46MIT um as far as up at the cabin
2:15:51when do you think the last time you were
2:15:53up there personally last year last year
2:15:56Memorial Day I believe there wasn't the
2:15:59weekend before
2:16:00[Music]
2:16:03Memorial I didn't make the parade I
2:16:06never got to go last
2:16:08year when do you think the last time
2:16:11your mom or dad were at the cabin before
2:16:13my dad went when my brother was
2:16:15diagnosed with
2:16:17diabetes when was
2:16:19that the weekend before my concussion so
2:16:231 two three not including this week
2:16:25three four yeah four four weeks okay he
2:16:30wasn't born inet no this was it's the
2:16:32kind weeks ago yeah he went up notice
2:16:35our Plumbing's gone to crap and he
2:16:36bought to a set or something at a a
2:16:39Fleet Farm or a Home Depot or it's like
2:16:43a it's like a 4way converter type thing
2:16:46for the plumbing something for the cabin
2:16:49yeah for the cabin PR like a toilet or
2:16:52yeah we we have a toilet up there
2:16:53actually now nice um not just an out
2:16:56house no there is an out
2:17:00house yeah you want an
2:17:02asir I
2:17:05appreciate what did you say I got that
2:17:07work yeah was like I thought you said
2:17:09add or no don't no not that just ad just
2:17:12over the counter stuff thank you like
2:17:15three of them
2:17:18work appreciate it you
2:17:21thanks D
2:17:25yep they on them
2:17:28right put you put them on your mouth
2:17:32already no I just got so the plum ones
2:17:35should CB no no is it is it like uh was
2:17:39it a sink or a toilet or what was it
2:17:41with the plumbing that went bad um so
2:17:44when we have to pour water in every time
2:17:47we go up to start the pump oh okay so
2:17:51some reason by pouring water in the
2:17:54water never Rose in the toilet bowl
2:17:56apparently so you couldn't flush it you
2:17:59know the water didn't come to the toilet
2:18:02mhm um so he need a new thing to stop
2:18:05whatever the problem was I think leaking
2:18:08I don't know I didn't hear everything
2:18:11from it sure how did he find out about
2:18:14that he yeah how did he know that there
2:18:17was a plumbing issue up there well he
2:18:19went up there just to go see the cabin
2:18:22oh so when he went up a couple weeks ago
2:18:23he realized an issue this time he wanted
2:18:25to fix it well he fixed the the major
2:18:28issue so it won't be flooding the the
2:18:31house okay the
2:18:33cabin now he wanted the pipe set to redo
2:18:38it okay because we we need new pipes cuz
2:18:42they're
2:18:45lead and I think we might be moving the
2:18:48plastic because there's no water here we
2:18:51can do plastic
2:18:54yeah
2:19:00um I'm trying to figure out what that
2:19:02Park was but that was when Mitch
2:19:04diabetes the the number
2:19:07one did Mitch go up there with him what
2:19:10you well my M and I were kind of with
2:19:13Mitch all that weekend doing stuff dad
2:19:16just went to L yep and later that week I
2:19:19had my fall
2:19:22and I I've just started getting my
2:19:24memory back okay
2:19:26so where did his mom been up there this
2:19:29year at all mom has not been up there
2:19:32this year maybe they were up there
2:19:35before uh no I think Dad Dad did it all
2:19:40himself
2:19:41maybe I think this is first and Mitch
2:19:45hasn't been to the cabin in a while
2:19:46right today long than today yeah I
2:19:50couldn't say he's been there he didn't
2:19:51go last year
2:19:53okay okay does he kind of do his own
2:19:56thing or um Mitch hasn't lived with us
2:19:59or you know like he's got a family now
2:20:04dog a girlfriend no kids but cool it's
2:20:08kind of you know AB time you know how it
2:20:11is with Brothers yeah he flew the
2:20:15C got a few of them myself yeah all
2:20:18right I've started thinking about that
2:20:21myself and my parents are trying to
2:20:23figure that out with me
2:20:29mhm
2:20:31that we got all the background I think
2:20:34right yeah I think so so I think it's
2:20:37time we start talking about what
2:20:38happened to your parents like the
2:20:40truthful
2:20:41version at this moment Chandler is
2:20:44immediately hit by what's commonly
2:20:46referred to as fight or flight
2:20:47throughout the interrogation he has been
2:20:49leading the police getting more more and
2:20:50more confident as they seem to buy into
2:20:52his story but now realizes that he is
2:20:54not getting out of the situation and pay
2:20:56attention to what he says okay so we
2:21:00have like 20 pages of writing we're
2:21:02going to start with a clean white piece
2:21:04of paper if you to start telling the
2:21:05truth okay why because listen listen to
2:21:08me this is the only chance you're going
2:21:09to have to tell us the truth okay okay
2:21:13what we listen listen I'm I can't tell
2:21:15you what we know but we know you're not
2:21:17telling us the truth we know your
2:21:19parents are no longer what us okay and
2:21:21we know the reason
2:21:23why okay you need to tell the truth
2:21:26there's listen listen you need to tell
2:21:29the truth about what happened and just
2:21:30tell us why it
2:21:32happened okay if something happened if
2:21:35you were defending yourself or if you
2:21:36just got fed up with stuff you need to
2:21:39tell us the truth okay this is your
2:21:41chance to tell us why okay I'm not bsing
2:21:46here okay
2:21:52so can we do that okay okay
2:21:58um after he was interrogated Chandler
2:22:01was booked into the Madison County Jail
2:22:036 days later the only remains that were
2:22:05ever recovered from Christa Howers were
2:22:07found in the banks of Lake Wisconsin
2:22:09being a part of her leg and her foot
2:22:11Chandler pleaded not guilty to murdering
2:22:13his parents however the evidence was
2:22:15damning Chandler remains in prison and
2:22:16will be sentenced in March

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