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Social Movements - Advanced Training Debate Workshop: Week 8 — Transcript

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  1. 0:00okay um so hi everyone uh welcome to
  2. 0:03next advanced training session so
  3. 0:04today uh we're gonna be doing another
  4. 0:07one that's about actor analysis
  5. 0:09we're going to be moving a bit up uh
  6. 0:12from the very micro individual analysis
  7. 0:15that we did last week
  8. 0:16to a bit more macro so we're going to
  9. 0:18talk about social movements
  10. 0:20um as you might have noticed maybe if
  11. 0:22you did oxford iv
  12. 0:24uh you probably saw that social emotions
  13. 0:26are quite popular so you run into them
  14. 0:27in competitions quite often
  15. 0:29so i hope it's going to be useful in
  16. 0:31kind of having an idea on how to deal
  17. 0:32with them so
  18. 0:33um i'm going to do broadly three things
  19. 0:36so first
  20. 0:37sort of how you should think about
  21. 0:38social movements in terms of
  22. 0:40characterizations what questions you
  23. 0:42should be asking yourself
  24. 0:43when debating them um two we're gonna
  25. 0:46practice
  26. 0:46one of the most common clashes um so you
  27. 0:49are able to deal with
  28. 0:51i would say like 90 of social movements
  29. 0:53motions really quick
  30. 0:54and then we're going to go through a
  31. 0:55couple other important characterization
  32. 0:58arguments and kind of figure out
  33. 0:59practice them cool
  34. 1:01so uh next slide
  35. 1:05okay synonyms of characterization of
  36. 1:07social movement
  37. 1:08um so i think the common mistakes that
  38. 1:10people often do when they
  39. 1:12talk about social movements is that they
  40. 1:14one treat the movement as a monolith so
  41. 1:17um when they talk about feminist
  42. 1:19movement they
  43. 1:20discuss it in the same way as it was an
  44. 1:22individual person
  45. 1:23so they talk about goals of feminist
  46. 1:25movement incentives of feminist movement
  47. 1:27but it sounds as if
  48. 1:28um there was just one like brain or
  49. 1:31feminist movement that has very clear
  50. 1:32vision
  51. 1:33which is obviously not the case or the
  52. 1:36second mistake is that people tend to
  53. 1:38characterize
  54. 1:39all movements in the very same way so
  55. 1:41they do not make any distinction between
  56. 1:43say very radically different movements
  57. 1:45like again
  58. 1:46feminist movement or like extension
  59. 1:48rebellion or
  60. 1:50you know civil rights movement all of
  61. 1:51these movements have big differences
  62. 1:53between how they are organized what
  63. 1:55toxic they use
  64. 1:57um who rep is represented in them etc
  65. 2:00etc
  66. 2:00um so in terms of how to get nuanced and
  67. 2:03how to kind of overcome this
  68. 2:05um i think there are a couple things
  69. 2:07that you can try considering when you
  70. 2:08are
  71. 2:10figuring out your analysis about
  72. 2:11movements the first one is to consider
  73. 2:14movement
  74. 2:14that's made out of always keeping in
  75. 2:17mind that there are different groups
  76. 2:19within movements and those groups can be
  77. 2:21divided on a range of different levels
  78. 2:24so for example it can be in terms of the
  79. 2:26level of commitment
  80. 2:28so depending on how say hierarchical the
  81. 2:30movement is
  82. 2:31you can have for example a leadership or
  83. 2:34some sort of central you know more
  84. 2:36bureaucratic organization
  85. 2:37you can have the core base so the people
  86. 2:39who turn out the protests who donate etc
  87. 2:41you can have these sympathizers who like
  88. 2:43you know maybe uh will share something
  89. 2:45on the social media will turn
  90. 2:47up for something once or twice or just
  91. 2:49like generally sympathetic but don't do
  92. 2:51much
  93. 2:52um so again keeping this in mind can
  94. 2:55help you when you're analyzing you know
  95. 2:57what
  96. 2:57goals of the movement because um who has
  97. 3:00a say in
  98. 3:01for example formulating the goals is it
  99. 3:03more of the core base
  100. 3:04is it more based on what he sympathizes
  101. 3:06the broad public things
  102. 3:08uh there can be differences in terms of
  103. 3:10ideology um
  104. 3:12so i think common example is the
  105. 3:14feminist movement
  106. 3:15so there are very different types of
  107. 3:17feminism that often contradict each
  108. 3:19other
  109. 3:19say radical feminism versus the kind of
  110. 3:22liberal lean in feminism or choice
  111. 3:23feminism
  112. 3:24um so again this we take into account if
  113. 3:28you're analyzing that movement
  114. 3:29specifically
  115. 3:30or say having radical subgroups within
  116. 3:33movements
  117. 3:34uh when i say radical i do not mean bad
  118. 3:36um what i mean
  119. 3:37is uh that you tend to have groups that
  120. 3:40maybe want to go a bit further
  121. 3:41in terms of the tactics that they are
  122. 3:43using so maybe groups who are
  123. 3:44more willing to use a violence or
  124. 3:48like similarly visual tactics etc
  125. 3:53and thirdly i think also in terms of
  126. 3:55capital and resources so you're going to
  127. 3:57have
  128. 3:57members of the group that might have
  129. 4:00bigger like
  130. 4:01more of social privilege more political
  131. 4:02influence more money
  132. 4:04than people who are perhaps more
  133. 4:05disenfranchised so again
  134. 4:08um that can have an influence in them so
  135. 4:11who gets to control what the goals of
  136. 4:12the movement are
  137. 4:15second i think you should consider
  138. 4:19different positions that these movements
  139. 4:21have within society
  140. 4:23so you can have movements that are very
  141. 4:24fringe who have very few sympathizers
  142. 4:26versus women who are very large very
  143. 4:28mainstream most people are in favor of
  144. 4:30it
  145. 4:30we're going to talk about it later and
  146. 4:32you can use it to
  147. 4:34kind of explain what tactics are good or
  148. 4:37bad for those specific movements so kind
  149. 4:38of tweak the characterization to
  150. 4:40fit the mechanism that you are proposing
  151. 4:43and lastly you should also consider the
  152. 4:45ways in which movements are organized
  153. 4:47so there is a great variety in it um so
  154. 4:50you should ask yourself is that some
  155. 4:51sort of concrete leader some sort of
  156. 4:53leading organization a hierarchy so for
  157. 4:56example say the civil rights movement
  158. 4:58had like sort of hierarchy had some sort
  159. 5:00of big you know concrete figures
  160. 5:02uh at the top of it uh you might not
  161. 5:05have the same way
  162. 5:06same thing for example with black lives
  163. 5:07matter um
  164. 5:09when it comes to how it is organized
  165. 5:11it's much more decentralized
  166. 5:12um and also um it can be organized in a
  167. 5:16way
  168. 5:16what kind of spatially transcends so if
  169. 5:19it's a global movement or more a local
  170. 5:21movement
  171. 5:22um so again uh say for example
  172. 5:26lgbt movement is much bigger than say a
  173. 5:28local movement that represents someone
  174. 5:29from
  175. 5:30uh from just a specific specific area so
  176. 5:33that can also influence the way that
  177. 5:35movement can act
  178. 5:36okay uh so if this makes sense
  179. 5:40uh i will move to the next one
  180. 5:44so the moon clashes
  181. 5:48so luckily uh unlike with
  182. 5:51most other topics where you have a lot
  183. 5:54of lot of different clashes
  184. 5:55that you have to kind of go through most
  185. 5:58oh sorry
  186. 5:59uh is mdu a social movement uh it soon
  187. 6:02will be
  188. 6:03um i guess so um
  189. 6:07unlike in other topics most social
  190. 6:08movement debates boil into one
  191. 6:10common clash um and that is that one
  192. 6:13side
  193. 6:14has to defend a movement that is broad
  194. 6:17and inclusive but kind of less committed
  195. 6:21versus the other side is defending a
  196. 6:23movement that is small
  197. 6:25but is very committed and very
  198. 6:26ideologically pure
  199. 6:28so most motions that has to be social
  200. 6:32movements boil down into
  201. 6:33one side defending that and one side
  202. 6:36defining the other
  203. 6:37to illustrate how prominent this is i'm
  204. 6:39just giving a couple of examples of sort
  205. 6:41of
  206. 6:41sub topics for it so for example
  207. 6:45uh motions that are about whether
  208. 6:47movement should be conformist or
  209. 6:48movement should be
  210. 6:50radical um
  211. 6:53so um for example the motion and this
  212. 6:56house believes that lgbt community
  213. 6:58should embrace stereotypes
  214. 6:59one side might be proving that if you
  215. 7:03embrace sterotypes you can
  216. 7:04kind of strengthen the core group and
  217. 7:06then you are proving why small and
  218. 7:09ideologically pure
  219. 7:10movement is good the other side might be
  220. 7:12saying no we should instead kind of
  221. 7:14pander or the oh yeah i'm going to
  222. 7:16answer that in a sec chris
  223. 7:18um as the other side is saying that
  224. 7:22maybe
  225. 7:22instead we should kind of not embrace
  226. 7:25stereotypes to be able to appeal on a
  227. 7:27broader
  228. 7:28on the broader society and then they
  229. 7:29defend the more broad
  230. 7:31inclusive but like less kind of less
  231. 7:32committed less pure movement
  232. 7:34um similarly um this is about motions
  233. 7:38that are about inclusion of say
  234. 7:39centrists conservatives versus committed
  235. 7:41progressive group
  236. 7:42so uh motion that i've seen set a lot is
  237. 7:45the motion this house regrets the
  238. 7:47ideological dominance of the left in the
  239. 7:49feminist movement
  240. 7:50so again on one side you're going to be
  241. 7:52like ah
  242. 7:53we would like to have conservative women
  243. 7:56and
  244. 7:57say capitalist women in the movement so
  245. 7:59you are
  246. 8:00from like defending broad inclusive but
  247. 8:02like less committed
  248. 8:04uh on the other side you would rather
  249. 8:06have like very you know
  250. 8:07purely leftist movement being able to
  251. 8:09kind of push for the leftist policies
  252. 8:12so that's going to be the other side uh
  253. 8:14oh yeah the side
  254. 8:15all the side be christians that is uh
  255. 8:17people who kind of decide not to
  256. 8:20uh act on the on on the homosexuality so
  257. 8:23again it's the same kind of
  258. 8:25kind of motion that is should we be
  259. 8:27including people who perhaps are not
  260. 8:29going to be as ideologically committed
  261. 8:31maybe be a bit judgmental in some
  262. 8:34situations
  263. 8:35but the movement can help them or should
  264. 8:37we just keep it ideologically pure
  265. 8:39um in terms of violent and peaceful i'm
  266. 8:42gonna talk about it later so just
  267. 8:43broadly again
  268. 8:45violent movements maybe more
  269. 8:47ideologically pure
  270. 8:49smaller because a lot of people might
  271. 8:51get kind of disintense disincentivized
  272. 8:53to join
  273. 8:54peaceful movements might have broader
  274. 8:56appeal so again same clash
  275. 8:58or the last one that i have is carrot
  276. 9:00versus stick so
  277. 9:01a lot of emotions that i've seen
  278. 9:02recently for example this house
  279. 9:05suppose the shaming of individuals as a
  280. 9:07tactic for social movements to catalyze
  281. 9:09change
  282. 9:10so again one side is going to be like
  283. 9:13we should do this because then they're
  284. 9:15going to be more committed we're going
  285. 9:16to have
  286. 9:17more ideological cure movement but it's
  287. 9:19obviously going to be slightly smaller
  288. 9:20because some people might
  289. 9:22be kind of discouraged as a result of
  290. 9:24the shaming the other side will be like
  291. 9:26no
  292. 9:26instead we would like to have more
  293. 9:28positive encouragement and then we're
  294. 9:29going to have
  295. 9:30broader movement um even though it might
  296. 9:33be slightly less
  297. 9:34committed so i hope this kind of makes
  298. 9:37sense in terms of
  299. 9:38how i arrive to the same clash in all of
  300. 9:40these instances
  301. 9:41um if it is not clear or anyone needs to
  302. 9:44clarify any of this like
  303. 9:46uh put a message in the chat or to
  304. 9:48unmute yourself
  305. 9:54no cool good then i assume it was
  306. 9:56hopefully clear
  307. 9:58so um given this
  308. 10:01the case construction kind of framework
  309. 10:03that you can use
  310. 10:04in most of these social movements
  311. 10:06debates
  312. 10:07is you look at it and you first ask okay
  313. 10:10is this motion centered around the broad
  314. 10:12and inclusive versus a small and
  315. 10:14committed clash
  316. 10:15um sometimes it might not be
  317. 10:18uh i think that's the minority of cases
  318. 10:20uh but like
  319. 10:21in most cases you will be lucky it will
  320. 10:23be second you just find out that tends
  321. 10:26to be quite intuitive
  322. 10:27which side of that class you will be
  323. 10:28defending thirdly
  324. 10:30i think that's the most difficult part
  325. 10:32is you find have to find mechanisms
  326. 10:34unique to the emotion
  327. 10:35which get you to the impact of either
  328. 10:37having the broader inclusive movement or
  329. 10:39the small and committed
  330. 10:41so you always need to do kind of
  331. 10:42separate leg work for each specific
  332. 10:44motion
  333. 10:45to get the stocky um stocky impact that
  334. 10:48you want to get
  335. 10:49so for example with that this house
  336. 10:51believes that lgbt communities should
  337. 10:52embrace stereotypes
  338. 10:54um you have to do the legwork
  339. 10:55mechanistic leg work explaining
  340. 10:57how embracing throat up strengthens the
  341. 10:59core group and then you can just
  342. 11:01run the stocky analysis about why we
  343. 11:03like small and committed movements
  344. 11:05or um you have to do the legwork about
  345. 11:08explaining why more conformance
  346. 11:09strategies would lead to more buy-in and
  347. 11:11then again you can do the stocky
  348. 11:13benefits of the broad and inclusive so
  349. 11:17um that is uh i want to do it
  350. 11:20you're gonna impact the benefits or
  351. 11:22harms of your side of the clash
  352. 11:24and then lastly you just wait up so in
  353. 11:27the same way as you would do with any
  354. 11:28argument
  355. 11:30cool so hopefully this makes sense as
  356. 11:32well
  357. 11:34and
  358. 11:38if it does then what i want to do now
  359. 11:41is to do an exercise to let you think
  360. 11:44about
  361. 11:45it by yourselves so i'm going to split
  362. 11:48you into two breakout rooms uh
  363. 11:50where one of them is going to have rhys
  364. 11:52and one of them is
  365. 11:53have ari who i uh gave
  366. 11:57the the role of kind of being able to to
  367. 12:00facilitate the discussion so what i
  368. 12:03wanted to do
  369. 12:04if you are in breakout room one i want
  370. 12:07you to think about
  371. 12:08what if you had to defend the broad and
  372. 12:10inclusive movement
  373. 12:12what would be the benefits of a movement
  374. 12:14with a large
  375. 12:15hetero heterogeneous support base on the
  376. 12:18expense of commitment
  377. 12:19and how would you try to weigh up these
  378. 12:21benefits against the benefits of a
  379. 12:23much smaller but more committed movement
  380. 12:26in the second room um
  381. 12:30i want to you to figure out what would
  382. 12:32be the benefits of a
  383. 12:33movement with a committed and
  384. 12:34ideologically homogeneous support base
  385. 12:36but on the expense of size and how would
  386. 12:39you try to weigh up these benefits
  387. 12:40against the benefits of a bigger
  388. 12:42but less committed movement cool um
  389. 12:45i hope that this is
  390. 12:48um that these questions are clear
  391. 12:52i forgot to take a picture of them so
  392. 12:56um maybe especially if you are ari
  393. 12:58police just take pictures of them and so
  394. 13:00you can
  395. 13:00um refer back to them once you are in
  396. 13:02the breakout room because you won't be
  397. 13:04able to see it in the breakout room
  398. 13:06so i will now do those breakout rooms
  399. 14:00so
  400. 14:11okay cool um so i hope that everyone
  401. 14:13should
  402. 14:15[Music]
  403. 14:16oh oh my god are you had the yeah so i'm
  404. 14:19going to give you 10 minutes to do this
  405. 14:21i'm going to time 10 minutes
  406. 14:22uh and then i'm going to call it back so
  407. 14:25i will open the rooms now
  408. 14:27let's see uh which which am i doing and
  409. 14:29which is really oh yeah uh you will be
  410. 14:31seeing it based on what the breakout
  411. 14:33room number is but uh rhys is going to
  412. 14:34break out from one and he will break out
  413. 14:36from two
  414. 14:37cool okay i'm opening the rooms now
  415. 14:45it's recording again cool cool okay
  416. 14:47great
  417. 14:48um so uh i don't know if you haven't
  418. 14:51been here last time
  419. 14:52when we did the similar exercise the
  420. 14:54characterizations
  421. 14:56um so if i can get uh probably the
  422. 14:59two people who are leading the groups
  423. 15:01but also if anyone else wants to do it
  424. 15:03to just uh give broadly like report on
  425. 15:06what you came up with so
  426. 15:07uh in the breakout room that talked
  427. 15:10about the
  428. 15:11larger broader inclusive movement
  429. 15:17i guess that is me i was just organizing
  430. 15:20notes so this might get a little messy
  431. 15:21towards the end because people said a
  432. 15:23lot
  433. 15:23but sure um so firstly on the first
  434. 15:25question of benefits i think five
  435. 15:27broad lines of benefits that we got out
  436. 15:29of this room uh the first is just in
  437. 15:31terms of
  438. 15:32broad political support just in terms of
  439. 15:33having more people who are willing to
  440. 15:34vote for your policies
  441. 15:36uh at the times where they come to
  442. 15:37elections to the point where you're
  443. 15:38flagging them as good but also in terms
  444. 15:40of politicians being more likely to
  445. 15:41table policies if it's clear that you're
  446. 15:42a larger movement
  447. 15:43and therefore more likely to be kind of
  448. 15:46a good targeted audience for them
  449. 15:48secondly there are claims about getting
  450. 15:49more media attention for example
  451. 15:52at the point where you're a larger
  452. 15:53movement you're much able for example to
  453. 15:54attract both mainstream media but also
  454. 15:56to reflect the media attention you get
  455. 15:57on social media in effect giving these
  456. 15:59signal boosts to their core group of
  457. 16:00members and whatever they're doing
  458. 16:01uh making them more efficacious in that
  459. 16:04thirdly claims about why you're likely
  460. 16:06to get less fatigue against harassment
  461. 16:07i.e
  462. 16:08if you're a smaller group and you have
  463. 16:09therefore less people supporting you it
  464. 16:11is easier to get tired of your movement
  465. 16:12especially when
  466. 16:13uh for example the state or whoever is
  467. 16:16harassing you
  468. 16:17uh and so that's less likely to happen
  469. 16:18to us uh fourthly
  470. 16:20uh the claim that to get committed
  471. 16:21members in the first place you simply
  472. 16:23need to get
  473. 16:24members and therefore having a larger
  474. 16:26movement that attracts more people is
  475. 16:27actually a good way of having a larger
  476. 16:29committed core group
  477. 16:30you may well not be trading off finally
  478. 16:32the claim that you may well be getting
  479. 16:34uh to be more representative people who
  480. 16:36might well be driven out by the core
  481. 16:38group of committed members who may be
  482. 16:39more radical
  483. 16:40and why this representation might be
  484. 16:42good for people
  485. 16:43even without the claim to political
  486. 16:45change in terms of weighing the pit i
  487. 16:47took
  488. 16:48fewer notes for uh and so will be
  489. 16:49slightly less messy i think a couple of
  490. 16:51things to say here
  491. 16:52uh one it is often unlikely that small
  492. 16:55committed groups actually manage to make
  493. 16:56feasible political change is something
  494. 16:58we flagged because you really need to go
  495. 16:59through political structures and larger
  496. 17:01groups even if you are able to make
  497. 17:02maybe
  498. 17:02less radical change are often able to
  499. 17:04compromise on some core ideals
  500. 17:06that you can identify in the debate and
  501. 17:08therefore you win on kind of political
  502. 17:10change
  503. 17:10uh secondly representation is in of
  504. 17:13itself for good in that for example
  505. 17:15catering to people's experiences and
  506. 17:16making them feel better about those
  507. 17:17experiences where they would otherwise
  508. 17:19be driven out of the movement
  509. 17:20is also good for them uh
  510. 17:23thirdly uh there's a broad set of claims
  511. 17:26about why we just get more donations
  512. 17:28both because we have more members and we
  513. 17:29are more palatable to elite
  514. 17:31like people who are privileged in
  515. 17:33society uh
  516. 17:35because we've kind of sanitized
  517. 17:36ourselves and given that political
  518. 17:38change is somewhat unlikely
  519. 17:39being able to spend money both on
  520. 17:41litigation and actually just setting up
  521. 17:42charitable foundations that support the
  522. 17:44people that the movement is meant to be
  523. 17:45campaigning for
  524. 17:46is often far more important than
  525. 17:47anything committed members managed to do
  526. 17:49uh in terms of uh seeking political
  527. 17:52change given that those members often
  528. 17:53lack the comparable financial capital
  529. 17:56um i think that weighs everything we
  530. 17:59said hopefully i didn't forget anything
  531. 18:02i know this is really good cool so can i
  532. 18:04have
  533. 18:05uh the second room so the more smaller
  534. 18:07entry
  535. 18:08sure yeah uh this will probably be
  536. 18:10shorter because i am
  537. 18:12worse at writing notes uh but people
  538. 18:14also said a lot
  539. 18:15so first thing we did was characterize
  540. 18:17what is unique about more small and
  541. 18:18committed
  542. 18:19movements as in what are the unique
  543. 18:21characteristics we can exploit so one
  544. 18:23is for example that you have a pure
  545. 18:25incense ideal
  546. 18:27beliefs because you just have fewer
  547. 18:29members who are more ideologically
  548. 18:31assigned which also means you have two
  549. 18:32less infighting in terms of
  550. 18:34now when you are displayed as a movement
  551. 18:37entirely you have a more palatable
  552. 18:39message because there is less confusion
  553. 18:40about specifically what you stand for
  554. 18:42because the core group is more right
  555. 18:44just more ideologically or not
  556. 18:46so what that means is given the things
  557. 18:48that we care about
  558. 18:49what a social movement wants to be able
  559. 18:52to do
  560. 18:52things such as a being able to be a
  561. 18:55space safe to
  562. 18:56particularly vulnerable groups b to be
  563. 18:58palatable to
  564. 19:00general people for uh for reasons
  565. 19:03and those reasons being a just in terms
  566. 19:05of how they treat you and be
  567. 19:06in terms of politic just like
  568. 19:09politically and the mechanism you get
  569. 19:11people to buy into your group
  570. 19:12is through the media so in terms of safe
  571. 19:15spaces
  572. 19:16just some short discussion as to why you
  573. 19:17have a dilution of safe spaces when you
  574. 19:19try and be more broad and inclusive
  575. 19:21so it acts less as a safe space even if
  576. 19:23you're providing that quote-unquote safe
  577. 19:25space to more people
  578. 19:27uh in terms of media just why you're
  579. 19:29better able to control your
  580. 19:31control your message as in generally
  581. 19:32oftentimes it is things like resource
  582. 19:34allocation
  583. 19:35or things that people might not want
  584. 19:36specifically for you if you're abroad
  585. 19:39inclusive the media has every incentive
  586. 19:41in order to ensure
  587. 19:42that you are to some extent demonized
  588. 19:44when you have things like infighting or
  589. 19:46inconsistent messaging is easier to
  590. 19:48portray yourself as rash
  591. 19:49irrational which means you specifically
  592. 19:51mobilize people against you so even if
  593. 19:53you're
  594. 19:53incorrect people will vote against you
  595. 19:55because they simply dislike you
  596. 19:57while you get less media exposure as a
  597. 20:00small and committed group
  598. 20:01you have more control over what that
  599. 20:03media exposure looks like and it's more
  600. 20:04likely to be positive which means you're
  601. 20:06actually getting
  602. 20:07net positive change as opposed to just
  603. 20:09mobilizing people who are against you as
  604. 20:11well
  605. 20:11uh and then we had like a last second
  606. 20:14edition of why when when you are
  607. 20:16more radical and extremist i guess it
  608. 20:18makes other groups more palatable
  609. 20:20which was which we didn't really discuss
  610. 20:23because it was the last 10 seconds
  611. 20:25cool yeah no this is really good as well
  612. 20:27so um
  613. 20:28i made some notes about couple things um
  614. 20:32i think i actually came up with um some
  615. 20:34more stuff
  616. 20:35um so yeah i think broadly in terms of
  617. 20:38the benefits i think you
  618. 20:39all kind of covered exactly what i wrote
  619. 20:42down
  620. 20:43um i also made couple notes on the on
  621. 20:45the ebay
  622. 20:46um so one of those that we mess we were
  623. 20:49talking about or both
  624. 20:50groups talked about is the idea of the
  625. 20:52message so how
  626. 20:54um obviously the small and committed
  627. 20:55movement can kind of count on being able
  628. 20:57to win the idea of being able to
  629. 20:59formulate their goals more clearly
  630. 21:01so for example if you have to defend the
  631. 21:04broader inclusive movement and you have
  632. 21:06to defend
  633. 21:06sort of watered-down message you can
  634. 21:09still
  635. 21:09overcome this by explaining why even the
  636. 21:12message that is voted down is still very
  637. 21:13useful
  638. 21:14so for example it very hap often happens
  639. 21:16if for example feminism just pointing
  640. 21:18out even if you do not have like very
  641. 21:20leftist feminism
  642. 21:21even general goals such as like
  643. 21:22anti-domestic violence can be
  644. 21:24kind of rallied behind by
  645. 21:28most women from most kind of um
  646. 21:33like no matter if you are rich or poor
  647. 21:34or along ethnic lives etc etc
  648. 21:37um but you can also if you are on this
  649. 21:40side of small and committed you can be
  650. 21:42ver you can massively weaponize the fact
  651. 21:43that you are the unique one who can have
  652. 21:45clearly formulated goals for example
  653. 21:47by explaining why the watered-down
  654. 21:49version would be completely useless
  655. 21:51so we use this often in debates for
  656. 21:53example at climate change or about
  657. 21:55humane animal farming in terms of animal
  658. 21:57rights movements
  659. 21:58so for example explaining why sort of
  660. 21:59the nice like mitigatory climate change
  661. 22:02policies that you
  662. 22:03like craft with corporations very often
  663. 22:06just do nothing because how watered down
  664. 22:08they are
  665. 22:09um and you did mention this vulnerable
  666. 22:11people being alienated as a result i
  667. 22:12think that's very good
  668. 22:14um and
  669. 22:17i do think that the the the the weigh-in
  670. 22:20about the popular support is also was
  671. 22:23done so i don't want to repeat it
  672. 22:25so it's obviously going to be on the
  673. 22:26slides so if you want to go back to it
  674. 22:28um as well as in the recording you can
  675. 22:30go back to the explanations by ari
  676. 22:32panries
  677. 22:33and check it so um given this i think if
  678. 22:36you
  679. 22:36gonna see a social movement motion this
  680. 22:38is the kind of stocky analysis and
  681. 22:40stocky weighing that you can use for
  682. 22:42basically all of them
  683. 22:43um and do well um basically no matter
  684. 22:47what you have to debate
  685. 22:48um cool i have any questions in regards
  686. 22:50of this framework and this
  687. 22:52clash or is everyone clear what it asks
  688. 22:55you to do how to do the weighing etc
  689. 23:01good okay looks like everyone knows
  690. 23:05so uh moving on the last part
  691. 23:08so we're going to talk about useful
  692. 23:10characterizations and useful arguments
  693. 23:12that you're probably going to be
  694. 23:14using quite often when um talking and
  695. 23:17debating social movements
  696. 23:18so i'm going to talk about how to
  697. 23:20characterize how society engages with
  698. 23:23social movements
  699. 23:24why people join such movements how what
  700. 23:26are the different tactics social
  701. 23:27movements can use to affect change
  702. 23:29and then to broadly kind of more
  703. 23:32extraneous about
  704. 23:33violence favor and against and the sort
  705. 23:35of hierarchical versus horizontal
  706. 23:36structure and how to be able to defend
  707. 23:38both sides
  708. 23:39so let's start with how society
  709. 23:41perceives social movement
  710. 23:42and i think this is particularly
  711. 23:44important and i think this is one of the
  712. 23:45characterizations that matters a lot a
  713. 23:48lot
  714. 23:48in your in social media and people often
  715. 23:51do not do it
  716. 23:52so if you are the team that does it and
  717. 23:53you do it correctly and tweak it to what
  718. 23:55you are trying to defend
  719. 23:57you tend to be able to win the room
  720. 23:58quite easily so
  721. 24:00where does this characterization matter
  722. 24:02number one
  723. 24:03in terms of true choice of mobilization
  724. 24:06strategies
  725. 24:06so for example if the motion asks me to
  726. 24:09prop some sort of conformist strategy
  727. 24:12i want to paint the perception of my
  728. 24:14movement in the society as mostly
  729. 24:16negative so people are kind of averse to
  730. 24:19me for some reasons meaning that i
  731. 24:20need to have a conformance strategy
  732. 24:22because anything radical
  733. 24:24would probably make the backlash big
  734. 24:26against me and that would be a bad thing
  735. 24:28if i'm going to if i need to prop
  736. 24:30something more radicalizing
  737. 24:32i want to paint it as more of a positive
  738. 24:35so i want to say look people already
  739. 24:36kind of listen to me people
  740. 24:38already kind of hold the mindset i
  741. 24:39wanted to hold if i'm telling them to be
  742. 24:41more radical
  743. 24:42they're going to listen they're going to
  744. 24:43do it second
  745. 24:45it can help in terms of the choices of
  746. 24:48strategies to affect
  747. 24:49change so for example if the motion asks
  748. 24:52me to defend using
  749. 24:53chords um it can help if i say
  750. 24:56look there is no other choice because
  751. 24:58the perception in society
  752. 25:00is so negative and it's unlikely to
  753. 25:01change that no one's gonna like
  754. 25:04uh support me enough to ever have
  755. 25:05electoral pressure
  756. 25:07meaning that i need to go through courts
  757. 25:09need to go through that lobbying because
  758. 25:10i just
  759. 25:11won't have the critical mass to do it
  760. 25:13other way and
  761. 25:14obviously it can be used to impact slash
  762. 25:16mitigate backlash arguments
  763. 25:18so if you want to run backlash um you
  764. 25:20want to make sure that you are
  765. 25:21explaining what the society looks like
  766. 25:24to say
  767. 25:25look this is why the backlash is going
  768. 25:26to be so bad or
  769. 25:29mitigate the other side's backlight
  770. 25:30saying look like no one's actually got a
  771. 25:32backlash no one actually hates you that
  772. 25:33much
  773. 25:34so um the way society engages with
  774. 25:37movements slash the particular movement
  775. 25:39you are talking about can be analyzed on
  776. 25:40two fronts
  777. 25:41the first front is the culture one so
  778. 25:44that is
  779. 25:44what's the current attitude of ordinary
  780. 25:46people so if i'm gonna
  781. 25:47go to the average joe on the street and
  782. 25:49tell them about my issue what is likely
  783. 25:51that the joe is thinking
  784. 25:53so that can go in three broadways so
  785. 25:55number one it's the
  786. 25:56idea that it's mostly kind of negative
  787. 25:59so that is
  788. 25:59individuals hold some sort of
  789. 26:01pre-existing beliefs that are
  790. 26:03contradicting your message
  791. 26:04so you need to flip them they are right
  792. 26:06now they are averse and you need to flip
  793. 26:08their ideas so um for example
  794. 26:11i think very obvious examples are things
  795. 26:13like like racism
  796. 26:14etc uh but even more maybe more subtle
  797. 26:18is for example the fact that
  798. 26:19um feminist messaging can often make men
  799. 26:22some men feel emasculated because you're
  800. 26:24asking them to do things that they were
  801. 26:26socialized kind of not to do because of
  802. 26:28a socialized like always like a gear
  803. 26:30more you know
  804. 26:31um macho etc or the idea of like
  805. 26:34american dream can often prevent you
  806. 26:36from being able to
  807. 26:37push forward like very leftist socialist
  808. 26:40policies because people do not want to
  809. 26:41lose the
  810. 26:42the feeling that they have agency over
  811. 26:44how they change you know the economic
  812. 26:45destiny they want to feel like they
  813. 26:47might be able to like once become rich
  814. 26:49in like
  815. 26:49uh jeff bezos etc um second
  816. 26:53it can be apathetic so people just don't
  817. 26:56know about the issue
  818. 26:57and you can run different mechanisms
  819. 26:58about why is it that people just don't
  820. 27:00know
  821. 27:01so for example um we run it quite
  822. 27:03recently at one of the oxford motions
  823. 27:05um just talking about why um you know
  824. 27:08people tend to be
  825. 27:09somewhat content with like the basic
  826. 27:11needs that they have met
  827. 27:12meaning that they just stop caring at
  828. 27:14that point about other issues
  829. 27:15or the fact that there are incentives
  830. 27:17for example from governments to
  831. 27:19kind of hide the issues and not talk
  832. 27:21about them because they
  833. 27:22don't want to you know like for example
  834. 27:24how governments don't talk about
  835. 27:25race issues because they are scared of
  836. 27:27kind of alienating their water bases
  837. 27:29so they instead just like kind of push
  838. 27:31it under the carpet
  839. 27:33um so that is um
  840. 27:36ways that you can explain why the
  841. 27:37society is apathetic in order
  842. 27:39to be able to push a policy that maybe
  843. 27:42would be very public
  844. 27:43uh you know like mobilization strategies
  845. 27:45that would make that
  846. 27:48this is how you can explain why it's
  847. 27:49necessary and the third way just
  848. 27:52describing that the
  849. 27:53the society is already quite sympathetic
  850. 27:55so you can use it by for example
  851. 27:57pointing
  852. 27:58the the fact that the activism and the
  853. 27:59establishment culture is quite prominent
  854. 28:01it's
  855. 28:02like already social media can make
  856. 28:04people engage with social movements
  857. 28:05quite often meaning that a lot of people
  858. 28:07are already kind of sympathetic already
  859. 28:09know about a lot of issues etc etc
  860. 28:12so this is how you can characterize the
  861. 28:14cultural
  862. 28:15attitude of ordinary people and again
  863. 28:18you can use any of them so kind of tweak
  864. 28:20them depending on what you need to
  865. 28:21what you need to defend chances are the
  866. 28:23other side is not going to contest it
  867. 28:25and then you're going to be playing the
  868. 28:26debate on your
  869. 28:27um on your play field and you're likely
  870. 28:30gonna win
  871. 28:31secondly in terms of uh political
  872. 28:34opportunity windows so this is how the
  873. 28:35system how the institutions the politics
  874. 28:38engages with you so this can exist on
  875. 28:40kind of a spectrum between closed and
  876. 28:42open
  877. 28:43so when it comes to closed that can be
  878. 28:45maybe authoritarian regimes where it's
  879. 28:47very
  880. 28:47hard for you no matter how big you are
  881. 28:50to maybe get some sort of legislative
  882. 28:51change
  883. 28:52because uh maybe voting is not fair
  884. 28:56or it can be you can describe why the
  885. 28:59state is
  886. 29:00actively has active incentive to kind of
  887. 29:03discourage you or um or um
  888. 29:06not take you into account for example
  889. 29:08with movements that kind of threaten the
  890. 29:09base of the state
  891. 29:11so maybe movements that are very very
  892. 29:15radical in terms of redistribution or
  893. 29:17very socialist movements
  894. 29:19probably are not going to get the best
  895. 29:21like reception from a state that
  896. 29:24obviously works on a basis that doesn't
  897. 29:26really um like that sort of policies
  898. 29:28uh on the or the opposite side it can be
  899. 29:30very open political opportunity windows
  900. 29:32so that's why the politicians actively
  901. 29:34try to pander for your votes as a
  902. 29:36movement
  903. 29:36um or as a voting bloc um yeah so
  904. 29:40again you can characterize the political
  905. 29:42opportunity window your movement has
  906. 29:44to be able to again push whichever of
  907. 29:47the mobilization strategies the
  908. 29:48motion asks you to defend um
  909. 29:52i hope this makes sense uh just a little
  910. 29:54bit abstract i'm gonna just give an
  911. 29:56example
  912. 29:57so this is one of the oxford iv motions
  913. 29:59this was in round one um the motion was
  914. 30:01this house believes that contemporary
  915. 30:02social movements
  916. 30:04um should focus on class differences
  917. 30:06rather than on identity based
  918. 30:07differences
  919. 30:08so like gender race religion etc so we
  920. 30:10were opening
  921. 30:11up and the way we try to
  922. 30:14minimize um og and beat og was by
  923. 30:17explaining
  924. 30:18why a class difference based movement
  925. 30:21would be not successful both on the
  926. 30:23cultural
  927. 30:24and in terms of the political
  928. 30:25opportunity window front so for example
  929. 30:28we explained why culturally
  930. 30:30people tend to be very normalized to the
  931. 30:32idea of capitalism people tend to
  932. 30:34have the idea that they have agency in
  933. 30:36terms of how they can escape
  934. 30:37poorly they think that maybe in three
  935. 30:39years you know they're going to be rich
  936. 30:41meaning that they do not want to waste
  937. 30:43time like no fighting for
  938. 30:45improving the the like their conditions
  939. 30:47right now because they still have the
  940. 30:48belief that this is not a static
  941. 30:50condition
  942. 30:51comparatively then you would have um you
  943. 30:54are probably quite aware that you
  944. 30:56uh can't change your race you can't
  945. 30:58change your gender it's going to
  946. 30:59something that's going to statically
  947. 31:01meaning that people are much more likely
  948. 31:02to to to to try to improve their
  949. 31:05conditions
  950. 31:06plus um maybe the effects of it are even
  951. 31:09more visceral and you are less likely to
  952. 31:10be normalized to them so like for
  953. 31:12example i cut calling
  954. 31:13um and secondly we also talk about a
  955. 31:15protocol opportunity window so we set by
  956. 31:17class-based movement is probably going
  957. 31:19to be less
  958. 31:20recepted by the state given that um
  959. 31:23you are probably asking for things like
  960. 31:24big redistribution and given that the
  961. 31:26state is kind of dependent on big
  962. 31:28corporations and
  963. 31:29the tax revenue it gets from them you
  964. 31:31are much more threatening to it
  965. 31:33than maybe you would be if you were
  966. 31:35organizing on the basis of identities
  967. 31:37where maybe
  968. 31:38both political parties can technically
  969. 31:40um get some of your votes so they are
  970. 31:42more likely to pander on you
  971. 31:43also on the other side if you have a
  972. 31:45class-based movement you are basically
  973. 31:47locked to one party that's more leftist
  974. 31:50so this is an example of how you can
  975. 31:52kind of
  976. 31:53use that characterization in a debate i
  977. 31:55hope this makes sense if anyone has any
  978. 31:57questions on this
  979. 31:58uh but in the chat
  980. 32:01is there a way to communicate a sense of
  981. 32:03urgency in terms of the opportunity
  982. 32:05window
  983. 32:06so uh if i understand it correctly
  984. 32:10so yes there is for example
  985. 32:13if you need to prop that some change
  986. 32:16or something needs to be done by the
  987. 32:18movement right now
  988. 32:20you can do a characterization explaining
  989. 32:22that maybe the political opportunity
  990. 32:24window tends to be closed in the
  991. 32:25majority of cases
  992. 32:27but right now for xyz
  993. 32:30factors it's open so this is often the
  994. 32:33case in autoit and regimes so maybe you
  995. 32:35can point out like look
  996. 32:36um i don't know saudi arabia right now
  997. 32:39has issues
  998. 32:39economically because of like i don't
  999. 32:41know oil prices and covet
  1000. 32:43and there is some extra other factors
  1001. 32:46meaning that
  1002. 32:47in an otherwise very close political
  1003. 32:48opportunity it now became quite open
  1004. 32:51meaning that now it's the chance of you
  1005. 32:53know social movements to come
  1006. 32:54and do some sort of change i don't know
  1007. 32:56if that was what you asked
  1008. 32:58um or if i missed interpreting
  1009. 33:02the the question yeah that's it cool
  1010. 33:05great yeah so yeah that's a very good
  1011. 33:06question yeah sorry and if i could add
  1012. 33:08on that i think like uh to
  1013. 33:10i think summarize basically three cheat
  1014. 33:13ways of
  1015. 33:14like communicating a sense of urgency in
  1016. 33:16terms of opportunity window
  1017. 33:18tends to be always like three things so
  1018. 33:19it's either um emerging trends so for
  1019. 33:22example a growing discontentment for
  1020. 33:23example in saudi arabia
  1021. 33:24people who maybe want to liberalize the
  1022. 33:26administration so it could be emerging
  1023. 33:28social trends
  1024. 33:29um it could also be secondly
  1025. 33:31administration so for example
  1026. 33:32if it's a specific administration that's
  1027. 33:34constrained to maybe a four year term
  1028. 33:35just be like hey
  1029. 33:36we only have a four year time window in
  1030. 33:38which you do this um and so we should
  1031. 33:39take the opportunity now or something
  1032. 33:41like that
  1033. 33:41um or the finally it's just a specific
  1034. 33:44event
  1035. 33:44um so for example if it's something like
  1036. 33:46the shooting of brianna taylor just say
  1037. 33:48that
  1038. 33:48you know social awareness about things
  1039. 33:50like police brutality
  1040. 33:51is so unusually high and it's likely
  1041. 33:53going to fade over time
  1042. 33:55as the news cycle has no incentive to
  1043. 33:57continue pandering to this
  1044. 33:58and so just say because of the specific
  1045. 34:00event localized in time this is our
  1046. 34:03prime opportunity window we cannot let
  1047. 34:04it go to waste
  1048. 34:05so it's either administration event or
  1049. 34:07emerging trends
  1050. 34:09yeah uh yeah i think that's that's good
  1051. 34:11so hopefully that helps
  1052. 34:12um so unless there are any other
  1053. 34:13questions i'm just gonna
  1054. 34:15go to the next one so the next one is
  1055. 34:18why people join social movements
  1056. 34:20so the common mistake that sometimes
  1057. 34:22people make is that they assume that
  1058. 34:23once they explain that there's some sort
  1059. 34:25of collective
  1060. 34:26grievance or some sort of discontent it
  1061. 34:28automatically means mobilization
  1062. 34:30that is not the case uh because like i
  1063. 34:33can be discontent about many things
  1064. 34:36it doesn't mean i'm also going to go
  1065. 34:37tomorrow and like protest on a square
  1066. 34:39right
  1067. 34:40given that there is a opportunity cost
  1068. 34:44of joining a social movement so you have
  1069. 34:46to give your time you sometimes
  1070. 34:47do your money you sometimes have to risk
  1071. 34:50your
  1072. 34:50health because sometimes protests are
  1073. 34:52being cracked down upon
  1074. 34:54people need more than just being
  1075. 34:56discontent about something
  1076. 34:58to be able to join so there are a couple
  1077. 35:00of things that you can
  1078. 35:02or a couple of reasons that people might
  1079. 35:04have to join social movements that you
  1080. 35:05can use
  1081. 35:06again um to to justify maybe your choice
  1082. 35:09of messaging
  1083. 35:10so the first one i think basic is sort
  1084. 35:12of cost benefit analysis
  1085. 35:14so you've been aggrieved so much that
  1086. 35:16it's worth it over the alternative
  1087. 35:18so like you are just being oppressed
  1088. 35:21enough that you are willing to risk
  1089. 35:23things
  1090. 35:23uh to to change it because otherwise you
  1091. 35:26just can't suffer through it
  1092. 35:27um second uh i think the other ones are
  1093. 35:30more
  1094. 35:30uh maybe less less intuitive
  1095. 35:34uh in terms of identity construction so
  1096. 35:36very often people
  1097. 35:38don't join social movement just because
  1098. 35:39they are discontent about something but
  1099. 35:41because they want to feel like they are
  1100. 35:42being part of something
  1101. 35:44so they want to kind of construct the
  1102. 35:47identity
  1103. 35:48around fighting for a thing so you want
  1104. 35:50to feel
  1105. 35:51like you are saving the planet because
  1106. 35:53you're an environmentalist so you get
  1107. 35:54the catharsis from kind of knowing that
  1108. 35:56you are like a big part of the thing
  1109. 35:58and you have a proximity to a
  1110. 36:00like-minded social group so like also
  1111. 36:02like social movement
  1112. 36:03is like people perceive a social
  1113. 36:04movement in a same way they would
  1114. 36:06perceive any other community or any
  1115. 36:08other group of um
  1116. 36:10you know friends so you go there because
  1117. 36:12you want to be with people that you like
  1118. 36:13that you feel like you can relate to et
  1119. 36:15cetera et cetera
  1120. 36:16so this is also a reason why people join
  1121. 36:18social movements not just because they
  1122. 36:19are angry
  1123. 36:20um thirdly it can be empathy so let's
  1124. 36:23for example if you are explaining
  1125. 36:24involvement of allies um sometimes
  1126. 36:28people tend to be quite cynical about it
  1127. 36:29but i think it's true
  1128. 36:30that people just are often empathetic
  1129. 36:33and if they see
  1130. 36:34that a group is suffering and is being
  1131. 36:36oppressed and they can relate to the
  1132. 36:37pain
  1133. 36:38often especially they can see the pain
  1134. 36:40very viscerally
  1135. 36:41so that can be also like a like a spark
  1136. 36:44that forces people to join
  1137. 36:46or i think the more cynical one is the
  1138. 36:48kind of virtue signaling
  1139. 36:49um so people joining because they want
  1140. 36:51to make themselves look better um
  1141. 36:54this is obviously probably not the best
  1142. 36:56reason but you can also still capitalize
  1143. 36:58on it and explain why even people
  1144. 37:00doing good things for the reason of
  1145. 37:02virtue signalling can be
  1146. 37:03a good thing because you know at least
  1147. 37:06they are not being
  1148. 37:06like at least they are contributing to
  1149. 37:08some way so those are things broadly
  1150. 37:11the four um four reasons you can join
  1151. 37:14the where it matters is often for
  1152. 37:16example choices of messaging so
  1153. 37:20the uh the motion that
  1154. 37:23um we debated i'm not sure where it was
  1155. 37:26i think it was dog's bridge
  1156. 37:27last before before summer was this house
  1157. 37:30supports the shaming of individuals as a
  1158. 37:32tactic for social movements to catalyze
  1159. 37:34change
  1160. 37:34so uh even opening up and in addition to
  1161. 37:38the
  1162. 37:39to the characterization of how society
  1163. 37:41looks like previously
  1164. 37:43we explained why if on our side we are
  1165. 37:46going to do
  1166. 37:46more of a positive encouragement so do
  1167. 37:48like positive sort of messaging
  1168. 37:51you are more likely to pander to people
  1169. 37:53who are joining
  1170. 37:54movements because of the identity
  1171. 37:56construction so we
  1172. 37:57claimed that people joined movements as
  1173. 38:00because of identity construction mainly
  1174. 38:02um and we said look uh people want to
  1175. 38:05feel like they are the heroes or
  1176. 38:06something like they want to
  1177. 38:08have that feeling and if you give them
  1178. 38:10this
  1179. 38:11as a as a sort of encouragement sort of
  1180. 38:12incentive you're more likely to join
  1181. 38:14um rather than if you're going to make
  1182. 38:16them feel bad about themselves at the
  1183. 38:17start
  1184. 38:18um yeah which is how they are then going
  1185. 38:20to get the cohesive et cetera
  1186. 38:21um and it kind of did work so um yeah so
  1187. 38:24that's that's
  1188. 38:25for example one way i hope this makes
  1189. 38:27sense as well uh again
  1190. 38:29drop a message in the chat if you need
  1191. 38:31more to explain
  1192. 38:35cool if nothing let's go to change of
  1193. 38:38action
  1194. 38:39so how can movements affect change again
  1195. 38:42common mistake people focus on electoral
  1196. 38:45change
  1197. 38:46and assume that nothing can be done
  1198. 38:48without like being a voting bloc
  1199. 38:50i think there are a few other abilities
  1200. 38:52that you can use
  1201. 38:53that don't necessitate the ability to
  1202. 38:55like have a big voting role that can
  1203. 38:57vote the politician out or like
  1204. 38:58etc so the first one is sort of cultural
  1205. 39:00change there's the winning hearts and
  1206. 39:02minds
  1207. 39:03but note that this is not important just
  1208. 39:05because then you can vote
  1209. 39:06um just changing people's hearts and
  1210. 39:09minds can be good
  1211. 39:10because you for example can make can get
  1212. 39:13them to
  1213. 39:14have behavior change so for example in
  1214. 39:17case of like
  1215. 39:17feminism or lgbt movement they maybe
  1216. 39:19they will be doing less microaggressions
  1217. 39:21they just go treating people around them
  1218. 39:23better
  1219. 39:24or you can create further pressure so
  1220. 39:26think about as like an immunity
  1221. 39:28so once enough people buy into something
  1222. 39:30they are more likely to kind of pressure
  1223. 39:32or judge people for not buying into it
  1224. 39:34so it becomes harder say to be sexist on
  1225. 39:36twitter
  1226. 39:37if more people have their mind changed
  1227. 39:40they're more likely to counsel you
  1228. 39:41so even like the sexist will just be
  1229. 39:42less likely to be awful because they
  1230. 39:44don't want to get canceled
  1231. 39:46so that's one way to kind of impact
  1232. 39:47cultural change outside of electoral
  1233. 39:50um direct action for example
  1234. 39:52volunteering a lot of stuff can be done
  1235. 39:54by i don't know the activists going and
  1236. 39:56i don't know setting up a
  1237. 39:58homeless shelter etc again you don't
  1238. 40:00need politics
  1239. 40:02um to be able to do that effectively or
  1240. 40:04um
  1241. 40:05affecting cooperation sometimes this
  1242. 40:08requires somewhat less people than
  1243. 40:09politicians because maybe corporations
  1244. 40:11have smaller
  1245. 40:12um you know markets meaning that even
  1246. 40:14just part of their market might be
  1247. 40:16pushing on them
  1248. 40:17they might be willing to change behavior
  1249. 40:18and then you can just explain why
  1250. 40:20corporations have a lot of power
  1251. 40:22as well um so that's another way to
  1252. 40:24avoid political action
  1253. 40:25but if it comes to political action i
  1254. 40:27think there are again a couple things
  1255. 40:29you can use
  1256. 40:30outside of just the voting bloc which is
  1257. 40:32the first way but the second
  1258. 40:34you can you can talk about
  1259. 40:37uh forcing politicians out of silence so
  1260. 40:40sometimes
  1261. 40:40it is enough to make politicians make a
  1262. 40:43statement
  1263. 40:43so for example politicians don't want to
  1264. 40:45talk about issues like race because they
  1265. 40:47are scared
  1266. 40:48it's going to um alienate their like
  1267. 40:51more conservative or like the white
  1268. 40:53electorate but they are also not willing
  1269. 40:55to say something explicitly racist
  1270. 40:57so they are just silent and they're
  1271. 40:58hoping to get away with it now if you
  1272. 41:00push them to make a statement
  1273. 41:02they are much more likely to have to
  1274. 41:03commit to something positive
  1275. 41:05because they actually don't want to say
  1276. 41:08anything racist so like if they if they
  1277. 41:09don't have the choice to be silent
  1278. 41:11they might be they might be forced to do
  1279. 41:13something positive about it so again you
  1280. 41:15don't need that many people about it you
  1281. 41:16just need someone to push them
  1282. 41:18uh or lobbying um again um
  1283. 41:22not all politicians are lizards so like
  1284. 41:24there are probably some good politicians
  1285. 41:26that you can approach
  1286. 41:27and that then can kind of use the agenda
  1287. 41:29setting power
  1288. 41:30within the parliament to push your
  1289. 41:32things through or push other politicians
  1290. 41:34out of silence
  1291. 41:35uh or maybe in specific constituencies
  1292. 41:37you have more loving
  1293. 41:38power than in others so it's not always
  1294. 41:40like on the big national spectrum
  1295. 41:42uh that like the fifty percent of
  1296. 41:43population has to be in favor of you
  1297. 41:45um uh to to get any change done or
  1298. 41:48lastly courts
  1299. 41:49um sometimes you can achieve a lot with
  1300. 41:52a small number of people
  1301. 41:53who can really efficiently lobby a court
  1302. 41:56like very often for example in the us a
  1303. 41:58lot of social movement progress is done
  1304. 42:00by the supreme court making that change
  1305. 42:02um
  1306. 42:03outside of the electoral system at all
  1307. 42:05so those are the broad possibilities
  1308. 42:07um that you can use to kind of propping
  1309. 42:10something that doesn't necessarily allow
  1310. 42:12you
  1311. 42:12to talk about electoral change um so
  1312. 42:15this is ways how to avoid it
  1313. 42:16uh cool any questions about this
  1314. 42:22no cool so on terms of violence
  1315. 42:27so um i think there are a couple
  1316. 42:30mechanisms
  1317. 42:32how there's one lizard politicians but
  1318. 42:35they're
  1319. 42:35back venture and they don't i don't get
  1320. 42:39that
  1321. 42:39but that's fine cool okay
  1322. 42:42so mechanisms somehow you can use uh
  1323. 42:45explain why why would we be in favor of
  1324. 42:47violence
  1325. 42:48so number one um you can talk about the
  1326. 42:51fact that it
  1327. 42:52can force regimes to surrender so maybe
  1328. 42:54police force or military in like say
  1329. 42:56authoritarian regimes are more likely to
  1330. 42:58desert
  1331. 42:59when you have a violent movement it can
  1332. 43:02challenge the state's strongman
  1333. 43:04appearance so
  1334. 43:06it can create a political opportunity
  1335. 43:07window so for example
  1336. 43:09um you can say that if you have a
  1337. 43:13very authoritarian regime where it just
  1338. 43:16looks like that
  1339. 43:17nothing can be ever done if you then get
  1340. 43:20a
  1341. 43:20violent movement that is able to
  1342. 43:22somewhat deal and somewhat challenge at
  1343. 43:24the really strong man appearance of it
  1344. 43:27people can then become much more
  1345. 43:28optimistic and they can feel like look
  1346. 43:31if this happened we can maybe do more um
  1347. 43:33thirdly
  1348. 43:34more international media attention that
  1349. 43:37can spark more
  1350. 43:38international lobbying if you are
  1351. 43:40violent if you are
  1352. 43:41obviously more visible um that can help
  1353. 43:44to get attention
  1354. 43:45of media that you wouldn't maybe get a
  1355. 43:47peaceful protest
  1356. 43:48um lastly no not lastly
  1357. 43:51one before lastly uh moderate wings can
  1358. 43:54look better
  1359. 43:55um so if the state is afraid of you of
  1360. 43:58the violent wing
  1361. 43:59they might be willing to appease the
  1362. 44:00more moderate wing
  1363. 44:02um so if you're scared of like the
  1364. 44:04really radical communist
  1365. 44:06you might be want to appeal to like the
  1366. 44:08more moderate socialists and give them
  1367. 44:10something to prevent them from sliding
  1368. 44:13into more radicalism
  1369. 44:15and lastly it's just the catharsis so
  1370. 44:19people can express their grievances
  1371. 44:22maybe more especially given that
  1372. 44:25especially in cases where they were
  1373. 44:26very oppressed and they were subjected
  1374. 44:28to violence themselves
  1375. 44:30um so that's more of maybe a principle
  1376. 44:32claim cool
  1377. 44:33um on the opposite side if you want to
  1378. 44:35explain why
  1379. 44:36why uh peaceful protests can be better
  1380. 44:38and why violence is bad
  1381. 44:40you can talk about a violence alienates
  1382. 44:41many people because it's too radical
  1383. 44:43but also because maybe access issues so
  1384. 44:45maybe women and elderly children
  1385. 44:48are unable to join us but as much and
  1386. 44:50then you can impact why
  1387. 44:51a broad and inclusive movement will be
  1388. 44:53better by the stock that we've already
  1389. 44:54discussed
  1390. 44:55um you can talk about peaceful movements
  1391. 44:57have higher sympathy from police forces
  1392. 44:59or military
  1393. 45:01uh because you are not like actively
  1394. 45:02attacking them you can talk about why
  1395. 45:04violence would encourage
  1396. 45:06collective punishment so state is can
  1397. 45:09feel justified
  1398. 45:10about for example using force or like
  1399. 45:11using stricter assembly laws
  1400. 45:13and then nothing can be done anymore um
  1401. 45:16as a result of this so not even peaceful
  1402. 45:17protests can happen when the state has a
  1403. 45:19legitimacy to kind of crack down on
  1404. 45:21everything
  1405. 45:22um and um similarly even internationally
  1406. 45:24the state can legitimize
  1407. 45:26excessive use of force because they say
  1408. 45:27okay they started now we have to
  1409. 45:29crack down on them as well and then
  1410. 45:31other states
  1411. 45:32are less likely to to to intervene um
  1412. 45:36yeah so those are the mechanisms um
  1413. 45:39and when it comes to debatable specific
  1414. 45:41movements you can try to characterize
  1415. 45:42the context in such way that
  1416. 45:44violence will seem more and less
  1417. 45:45efficient so for example if you need to
  1418. 45:48prop violence
  1419. 45:49you can talk about the fact that the
  1420. 45:50movement operates in a context where
  1421. 45:53um you have some already some stable
  1422. 45:55membership base so no one is likely to
  1423. 45:57get alienated as a result and you don't
  1424. 45:59even need allies
  1425. 46:00you already have some sort of
  1426. 46:02non-legitimate state
  1427. 46:04um and there are a lot of other options
  1428. 46:07so violence is usually the last resort
  1429. 46:10so you just want to point like you just
  1430. 46:12want to explain it there's nothing else
  1431. 46:13and you already have enough people
  1432. 46:15that like even if you look kind of
  1433. 46:17radical it really doesn't matter so for
  1434. 46:18example revolutionary movements like
  1435. 46:20arab spring
  1436. 46:21that's an example of it on the opposite
  1437. 46:23side you want to describe
  1438. 46:24the membership base is kind of unstable
  1439. 46:26so you need allies you can't illuminate
  1440. 46:28people
  1441. 46:28the state is generally seen as a
  1442. 46:30legitimate so people will be fine with
  1443. 46:31them cracking down on you
  1444. 46:33and there are mother many other
  1445. 46:35potential avenues of change
  1446. 46:37um so this is the way how you can
  1447. 46:39describe the context so that the
  1448. 46:41violence looks better or worse
  1449. 46:42um yeah example of the against violence
  1450. 46:44and the extension extinction rebellion
  1451. 46:47is a way uh is an example of where um it
  1452. 46:49would work to
  1453. 46:50to point out where violence maybe did
  1454. 46:52not work as well
  1455. 46:54cool any questions on this
  1456. 46:58no cool so lastly um
  1457. 47:02on the hierarchical versus horizontal
  1458. 47:04structure
  1459. 47:05so the one thing i would note is that
  1460. 47:08how the movement is organized doesn't
  1461. 47:10just happen
  1462. 47:10by accident so it's a strategic choice
  1463. 47:13in and of itself
  1464. 47:14this is usually because of a signaling
  1465. 47:16effect so
  1466. 47:18um for example movements who are very
  1467. 47:19decentralized for example say extension
  1468. 47:22rebellion
  1469. 47:23they do not do it just randomly they do
  1470. 47:25it because they want to signal something
  1471. 47:27so very often especially if it's a
  1472. 47:29movement that is anti-establishment
  1473. 47:31or they want to point out and show that
  1474. 47:34they are the ones who are different who
  1475. 47:36are radically different in the way they
  1476. 47:37organize
  1477. 47:38they are not like the establishment who
  1478. 47:39is hierarchical and bureaucratic
  1479. 47:41they are actually giving opportunities
  1480. 47:44to everyone involving everyone equally
  1481. 47:46so often this is the reason why they
  1482. 47:49organize themselves in a way that they
  1483. 47:50do
  1484. 47:51in terms of arguments you can run on
  1485. 47:53either side
  1486. 47:54if you need to argue in favor of a
  1487. 47:56concrete leader and a hierarchical
  1488. 47:58movement
  1489. 47:59you can do a explain why it's easier to
  1490. 48:02put forward a clear coherent message
  1491. 48:04i think we discussed this before about
  1492. 48:06the committed movement so for example
  1493. 48:08pointing out you cannot able to speak
  1494. 48:10against violent subgroups because you
  1495. 48:11have a clear face
  1496. 48:12that can say okay this is the stance of
  1497. 48:14the movement whoever is being violent we
  1498. 48:16disagree
  1499. 48:17and people are giving them the authority
  1500. 48:19you can't do it in a more dispersed
  1501. 48:20movement because you're not sure who
  1502. 48:22actually is correct
  1503. 48:23um second easier to be represented right
  1504. 48:26so you can establish personal
  1505. 48:28connections with politicians
  1506. 48:29lobby access to media this often depends
  1507. 48:32on trust right like if like your
  1508. 48:33neighbor joe can't just like show up to
  1509. 48:35the parliament and like talk to a
  1510. 48:37politician uh
  1511. 48:38because there is no trust between them
  1512. 48:40two but like if you have one leader
  1513. 48:42who's that constantly that
  1514. 48:45probably make them to listen to you um
  1515. 48:48thirdly
  1516. 48:48uh you can mobilize the hierarchy easier
  1517. 48:50because you kind of can get the commands
  1518. 48:52through
  1519. 48:53um full fleet respectability politics if
  1520. 48:55you have a bureaucracy you might be more
  1521. 48:57likely to receive funding because you're
  1522. 48:58peer professional
  1523. 48:59you can hire professionals um and
  1524. 49:03just like politicians tend to like you
  1525. 49:05more because you just look like a
  1526. 49:06respectable organization to work with
  1527. 49:08and economies of scale so you have
  1528. 49:10know-how you have resources you can
  1529. 49:12share across
  1530. 49:13you can't do it as well and say like
  1531. 49:14more decentralized movement
  1532. 49:16where every like local bubble operates
  1533. 49:18by itself on the opposite side
  1534. 49:20you can talk about the fact that the
  1535. 49:22leader is in risk of being easily
  1536. 49:24decapitated or co-opted
  1537. 49:25so either they can be just thrown to
  1538. 49:27jail and then your movement is kind of
  1539. 49:28without a leader
  1540. 49:30or um i think this is the flip side of
  1541. 49:32establishing the personal connections
  1542. 49:34so um the fact that the leader has a
  1543. 49:38personal connections of trust with
  1544. 49:40politicians also means that politicians
  1545. 49:41can do something to
  1546. 49:42a piece just the leader to let them kind
  1547. 49:44of drop the issues of the movement
  1548. 49:46so that can be a way to cope the leader
  1549. 49:48that can be problematic
  1550. 49:50um second decentralized movements can
  1551. 49:53probably more effectively represent
  1552. 49:55specific local needs so um especially
  1553. 49:58like say if you have something some
  1554. 50:00divisions based on like like i don't
  1555. 50:02know
  1556. 50:02areas of socio-economic backgrounds each
  1557. 50:05of the bubbles of the movement can have
  1558. 50:07different tactics based on
  1559. 50:08who they are representing and also you
  1560. 50:11can also question who tends to be on the
  1561. 50:13top of hierarchies
  1562. 50:14so often if you have a hierarchy whoever
  1563. 50:16is on the top tends to be the most
  1564. 50:18privileged the most educated
  1565. 50:19and especially it's respectability
  1566. 50:21politics you're trying to look
  1567. 50:22respectable
  1568. 50:23often the places being given to the most
  1569. 50:25privileged group because they are the
  1570. 50:26ones who
  1571. 50:27will look rational if they talk um so
  1572. 50:30that can also be a bad thing that you
  1573. 50:32want to avoid and lastly
  1574. 50:35the decentralized movements of an appeal
  1575. 50:36to your appetite against the system
  1576. 50:38among activists
  1577. 50:39so people want to join a movement that
  1578. 50:42shows
  1579. 50:42that is different than the system
  1580. 50:44because they hate the system
  1581. 50:46they want to go for something that is
  1582. 50:48clearly different
  1583. 50:49okay uh hopefully this makes sense as
  1584. 50:52well
  1585. 50:54good okay so just the key takeaways
  1586. 50:57as the and the end i know this was a lot
  1587. 51:00of lots of lot of matter
  1588. 51:01i am sorry i hope that was somewhat
  1589. 51:03helps the reason why i think this was
  1590. 51:06fine to do a lot of mata dumping is
  1591. 51:08because you tend to reuse it all the
  1592. 51:09time
  1593. 51:10um so if you remember all of these
  1594. 51:12things in any social movement debate you
  1595. 51:14will have something to say
  1596. 51:15um so in terms of the very key takeaways
  1597. 51:17the social moon debates are predictable
  1598. 51:20they are centered around the same core
  1599. 51:21clash take advantage of it
  1600. 51:23learn how to run the stocking mechanisms
  1601. 51:25use them over and over and you're going
  1602. 51:27to be winning debates
  1603. 51:28two characterization matter so top room
  1604. 51:30debates
  1605. 51:31will be worn on those characterizations
  1606. 51:33always characterize
  1607. 51:34if you see it's needed what the movement
  1608. 51:36looks like what the society looks like
  1609. 51:38how it currently perceives the movement
  1610. 51:40in a such way that supports your
  1611. 51:42mechanism tweak it in a way as i told
  1612. 51:44you
  1613. 51:44uh you can use different kinds of
  1614. 51:46characterization depending on what you
  1615. 51:47have to
  1616. 51:48defend and thirdly remember that moments
  1617. 51:51are not monoliths be nuanced in
  1618. 51:53describing them
  1619. 51:54so read about the most prominent social
  1620. 51:56movements and come up with some sort of
  1621. 51:57sticky characterizations and reasoning
  1622. 51:59for those characterizations for both
  1623. 52:01sides
  1624. 52:01so for example like in half debates i've
  1625. 52:05been describing feminist movement that's
  1626. 52:06like really french and really powerless
  1627. 52:08and then
  1628. 52:09on the other half of debates i would
  1629. 52:11just be like look like feminist movement
  1630. 52:12is really mainstream and it can't afford
  1631. 52:13to ask radical changes
  1632. 52:15and for each of these i would have like
  1633. 52:16three reasons to justify why it's the
  1634. 52:18case
  1635. 52:19so have the same for yourselves kind of
  1636. 52:21try to come up with
  1637. 52:23those oppositional characterizations and
  1638. 52:25try to use them
  1639. 52:26to make sure that you are both nuanced
  1640. 52:29and kind of
  1641. 52:30are able to utilize um tweak the motion
  1642. 52:32to your side
  1643. 52:33i hope all this made sense i think this
  1644. 52:34is the end of the presentation so if
  1645. 52:36there are any questions
  1646. 52:38about anything that happened in it uh
  1647. 52:40just
  1648. 52:41put it in the chat right now
  1649. 52:47um if not then i think we can stop the
  1650. 52:49recording
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