Social Movements - Advanced Training Debate Workshop: Week 8 — Transcript
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- 0:00okay um so hi everyone uh welcome to
- 0:03next advanced training session so
- 0:04today uh we're gonna be doing another
- 0:07one that's about actor analysis
- 0:09we're going to be moving a bit up uh
- 0:12from the very micro individual analysis
- 0:15that we did last week
- 0:16to a bit more macro so we're going to
- 0:18talk about social movements
- 0:20um as you might have noticed maybe if
- 0:22you did oxford iv
- 0:24uh you probably saw that social emotions
- 0:26are quite popular so you run into them
- 0:27in competitions quite often
- 0:29so i hope it's going to be useful in
- 0:31kind of having an idea on how to deal
- 0:32with them so
- 0:33um i'm going to do broadly three things
- 0:36so first
- 0:37sort of how you should think about
- 0:38social movements in terms of
- 0:40characterizations what questions you
- 0:42should be asking yourself
- 0:43when debating them um two we're gonna
- 0:46practice
- 0:46one of the most common clashes um so you
- 0:49are able to deal with
- 0:51i would say like 90 of social movements
- 0:53motions really quick
- 0:54and then we're going to go through a
- 0:55couple other important characterization
- 0:58arguments and kind of figure out
- 0:59practice them cool
- 1:01so uh next slide
- 1:05okay synonyms of characterization of
- 1:07social movement
- 1:08um so i think the common mistakes that
- 1:10people often do when they
- 1:12talk about social movements is that they
- 1:14one treat the movement as a monolith so
- 1:17um when they talk about feminist
- 1:19movement they
- 1:20discuss it in the same way as it was an
- 1:22individual person
- 1:23so they talk about goals of feminist
- 1:25movement incentives of feminist movement
- 1:27but it sounds as if
- 1:28um there was just one like brain or
- 1:31feminist movement that has very clear
- 1:32vision
- 1:33which is obviously not the case or the
- 1:36second mistake is that people tend to
- 1:38characterize
- 1:39all movements in the very same way so
- 1:41they do not make any distinction between
- 1:43say very radically different movements
- 1:45like again
- 1:46feminist movement or like extension
- 1:48rebellion or
- 1:50you know civil rights movement all of
- 1:51these movements have big differences
- 1:53between how they are organized what
- 1:55toxic they use
- 1:57um who rep is represented in them etc
- 2:00etc
- 2:00um so in terms of how to get nuanced and
- 2:03how to kind of overcome this
- 2:05um i think there are a couple things
- 2:07that you can try considering when you
- 2:08are
- 2:10figuring out your analysis about
- 2:11movements the first one is to consider
- 2:14movement
- 2:14that's made out of always keeping in
- 2:17mind that there are different groups
- 2:19within movements and those groups can be
- 2:21divided on a range of different levels
- 2:24so for example it can be in terms of the
- 2:26level of commitment
- 2:28so depending on how say hierarchical the
- 2:30movement is
- 2:31you can have for example a leadership or
- 2:34some sort of central you know more
- 2:36bureaucratic organization
- 2:37you can have the core base so the people
- 2:39who turn out the protests who donate etc
- 2:41you can have these sympathizers who like
- 2:43you know maybe uh will share something
- 2:45on the social media will turn
- 2:47up for something once or twice or just
- 2:49like generally sympathetic but don't do
- 2:51much
- 2:52um so again keeping this in mind can
- 2:55help you when you're analyzing you know
- 2:57what
- 2:57goals of the movement because um who has
- 3:00a say in
- 3:01for example formulating the goals is it
- 3:03more of the core base
- 3:04is it more based on what he sympathizes
- 3:06the broad public things
- 3:08uh there can be differences in terms of
- 3:10ideology um
- 3:12so i think common example is the
- 3:14feminist movement
- 3:15so there are very different types of
- 3:17feminism that often contradict each
- 3:19other
- 3:19say radical feminism versus the kind of
- 3:22liberal lean in feminism or choice
- 3:23feminism
- 3:24um so again this we take into account if
- 3:28you're analyzing that movement
- 3:29specifically
- 3:30or say having radical subgroups within
- 3:33movements
- 3:34uh when i say radical i do not mean bad
- 3:36um what i mean
- 3:37is uh that you tend to have groups that
- 3:40maybe want to go a bit further
- 3:41in terms of the tactics that they are
- 3:43using so maybe groups who are
- 3:44more willing to use a violence or
- 3:48like similarly visual tactics etc
- 3:53and thirdly i think also in terms of
- 3:55capital and resources so you're going to
- 3:57have
- 3:57members of the group that might have
- 4:00bigger like
- 4:01more of social privilege more political
- 4:02influence more money
- 4:04than people who are perhaps more
- 4:05disenfranchised so again
- 4:08um that can have an influence in them so
- 4:11who gets to control what the goals of
- 4:12the movement are
- 4:15second i think you should consider
- 4:19different positions that these movements
- 4:21have within society
- 4:23so you can have movements that are very
- 4:24fringe who have very few sympathizers
- 4:26versus women who are very large very
- 4:28mainstream most people are in favor of
- 4:30it
- 4:30we're going to talk about it later and
- 4:32you can use it to
- 4:34kind of explain what tactics are good or
- 4:37bad for those specific movements so kind
- 4:38of tweak the characterization to
- 4:40fit the mechanism that you are proposing
- 4:43and lastly you should also consider the
- 4:45ways in which movements are organized
- 4:47so there is a great variety in it um so
- 4:50you should ask yourself is that some
- 4:51sort of concrete leader some sort of
- 4:53leading organization a hierarchy so for
- 4:56example say the civil rights movement
- 4:58had like sort of hierarchy had some sort
- 5:00of big you know concrete figures
- 5:02uh at the top of it uh you might not
- 5:05have the same way
- 5:06same thing for example with black lives
- 5:07matter um
- 5:09when it comes to how it is organized
- 5:11it's much more decentralized
- 5:12um and also um it can be organized in a
- 5:16way
- 5:16what kind of spatially transcends so if
- 5:19it's a global movement or more a local
- 5:21movement
- 5:22um so again uh say for example
- 5:26lgbt movement is much bigger than say a
- 5:28local movement that represents someone
- 5:29from
- 5:30uh from just a specific specific area so
- 5:33that can also influence the way that
- 5:35movement can act
- 5:36okay uh so if this makes sense
- 5:40uh i will move to the next one
- 5:44so the moon clashes
- 5:48so luckily uh unlike with
- 5:51most other topics where you have a lot
- 5:54of lot of different clashes
- 5:55that you have to kind of go through most
- 5:58oh sorry
- 5:59uh is mdu a social movement uh it soon
- 6:02will be
- 6:03um i guess so um
- 6:07unlike in other topics most social
- 6:08movement debates boil into one
- 6:10common clash um and that is that one
- 6:13side
- 6:14has to defend a movement that is broad
- 6:17and inclusive but kind of less committed
- 6:21versus the other side is defending a
- 6:23movement that is small
- 6:25but is very committed and very
- 6:26ideologically pure
- 6:28so most motions that has to be social
- 6:32movements boil down into
- 6:33one side defending that and one side
- 6:36defining the other
- 6:37to illustrate how prominent this is i'm
- 6:39just giving a couple of examples of sort
- 6:41of
- 6:41sub topics for it so for example
- 6:45uh motions that are about whether
- 6:47movement should be conformist or
- 6:48movement should be
- 6:50radical um
- 6:53so um for example the motion and this
- 6:56house believes that lgbt community
- 6:58should embrace stereotypes
- 6:59one side might be proving that if you
- 7:03embrace sterotypes you can
- 7:04kind of strengthen the core group and
- 7:06then you are proving why small and
- 7:09ideologically pure
- 7:10movement is good the other side might be
- 7:12saying no we should instead kind of
- 7:14pander or the oh yeah i'm going to
- 7:16answer that in a sec chris
- 7:18um as the other side is saying that
- 7:22maybe
- 7:22instead we should kind of not embrace
- 7:25stereotypes to be able to appeal on a
- 7:27broader
- 7:28on the broader society and then they
- 7:29defend the more broad
- 7:31inclusive but like less kind of less
- 7:32committed less pure movement
- 7:34um similarly um this is about motions
- 7:38that are about inclusion of say
- 7:39centrists conservatives versus committed
- 7:41progressive group
- 7:42so uh motion that i've seen set a lot is
- 7:45the motion this house regrets the
- 7:47ideological dominance of the left in the
- 7:49feminist movement
- 7:50so again on one side you're going to be
- 7:52like ah
- 7:53we would like to have conservative women
- 7:56and
- 7:57say capitalist women in the movement so
- 7:59you are
- 8:00from like defending broad inclusive but
- 8:02like less committed
- 8:04uh on the other side you would rather
- 8:06have like very you know
- 8:07purely leftist movement being able to
- 8:09kind of push for the leftist policies
- 8:12so that's going to be the other side uh
- 8:14oh yeah the side
- 8:15all the side be christians that is uh
- 8:17people who kind of decide not to
- 8:20uh act on the on on the homosexuality so
- 8:23again it's the same kind of
- 8:25kind of motion that is should we be
- 8:27including people who perhaps are not
- 8:29going to be as ideologically committed
- 8:31maybe be a bit judgmental in some
- 8:34situations
- 8:35but the movement can help them or should
- 8:37we just keep it ideologically pure
- 8:39um in terms of violent and peaceful i'm
- 8:42gonna talk about it later so just
- 8:43broadly again
- 8:45violent movements maybe more
- 8:47ideologically pure
- 8:49smaller because a lot of people might
- 8:51get kind of disintense disincentivized
- 8:53to join
- 8:54peaceful movements might have broader
- 8:56appeal so again same clash
- 8:58or the last one that i have is carrot
- 9:00versus stick so
- 9:01a lot of emotions that i've seen
- 9:02recently for example this house
- 9:05suppose the shaming of individuals as a
- 9:07tactic for social movements to catalyze
- 9:09change
- 9:10so again one side is going to be like
- 9:13we should do this because then they're
- 9:15going to be more committed we're going
- 9:16to have
- 9:17more ideological cure movement but it's
- 9:19obviously going to be slightly smaller
- 9:20because some people might
- 9:22be kind of discouraged as a result of
- 9:24the shaming the other side will be like
- 9:26no
- 9:26instead we would like to have more
- 9:28positive encouragement and then we're
- 9:29going to have
- 9:30broader movement um even though it might
- 9:33be slightly less
- 9:34committed so i hope this kind of makes
- 9:37sense in terms of
- 9:38how i arrive to the same clash in all of
- 9:40these instances
- 9:41um if it is not clear or anyone needs to
- 9:44clarify any of this like
- 9:46uh put a message in the chat or to
- 9:48unmute yourself
- 9:54no cool good then i assume it was
- 9:56hopefully clear
- 9:58so um given this
- 10:01the case construction kind of framework
- 10:03that you can use
- 10:04in most of these social movements
- 10:06debates
- 10:07is you look at it and you first ask okay
- 10:10is this motion centered around the broad
- 10:12and inclusive versus a small and
- 10:14committed clash
- 10:15um sometimes it might not be
- 10:18uh i think that's the minority of cases
- 10:20uh but like
- 10:21in most cases you will be lucky it will
- 10:23be second you just find out that tends
- 10:26to be quite intuitive
- 10:27which side of that class you will be
- 10:28defending thirdly
- 10:30i think that's the most difficult part
- 10:32is you find have to find mechanisms
- 10:34unique to the emotion
- 10:35which get you to the impact of either
- 10:37having the broader inclusive movement or
- 10:39the small and committed
- 10:41so you always need to do kind of
- 10:42separate leg work for each specific
- 10:44motion
- 10:45to get the stocky um stocky impact that
- 10:48you want to get
- 10:49so for example with that this house
- 10:51believes that lgbt communities should
- 10:52embrace stereotypes
- 10:54um you have to do the legwork
- 10:55mechanistic leg work explaining
- 10:57how embracing throat up strengthens the
- 10:59core group and then you can just
- 11:01run the stocky analysis about why we
- 11:03like small and committed movements
- 11:05or um you have to do the legwork about
- 11:08explaining why more conformance
- 11:09strategies would lead to more buy-in and
- 11:11then again you can do the stocky
- 11:13benefits of the broad and inclusive so
- 11:17um that is uh i want to do it
- 11:20you're gonna impact the benefits or
- 11:22harms of your side of the clash
- 11:24and then lastly you just wait up so in
- 11:27the same way as you would do with any
- 11:28argument
- 11:30cool so hopefully this makes sense as
- 11:32well
- 11:34and
- 11:38if it does then what i want to do now
- 11:41is to do an exercise to let you think
- 11:44about
- 11:45it by yourselves so i'm going to split
- 11:48you into two breakout rooms uh
- 11:50where one of them is going to have rhys
- 11:52and one of them is
- 11:53have ari who i uh gave
- 11:57the the role of kind of being able to to
- 12:00facilitate the discussion so what i
- 12:03wanted to do
- 12:04if you are in breakout room one i want
- 12:07you to think about
- 12:08what if you had to defend the broad and
- 12:10inclusive movement
- 12:12what would be the benefits of a movement
- 12:14with a large
- 12:15hetero heterogeneous support base on the
- 12:18expense of commitment
- 12:19and how would you try to weigh up these
- 12:21benefits against the benefits of a
- 12:23much smaller but more committed movement
- 12:26in the second room um
- 12:30i want to you to figure out what would
- 12:32be the benefits of a
- 12:33movement with a committed and
- 12:34ideologically homogeneous support base
- 12:36but on the expense of size and how would
- 12:39you try to weigh up these benefits
- 12:40against the benefits of a bigger
- 12:42but less committed movement cool um
- 12:45i hope that this is
- 12:48um that these questions are clear
- 12:52i forgot to take a picture of them so
- 12:56um maybe especially if you are ari
- 12:58police just take pictures of them and so
- 13:00you can
- 13:00um refer back to them once you are in
- 13:02the breakout room because you won't be
- 13:04able to see it in the breakout room
- 13:06so i will now do those breakout rooms
- 14:00so
- 14:11okay cool um so i hope that everyone
- 14:13should
- 14:15[Music]
- 14:16oh oh my god are you had the yeah so i'm
- 14:19going to give you 10 minutes to do this
- 14:21i'm going to time 10 minutes
- 14:22uh and then i'm going to call it back so
- 14:25i will open the rooms now
- 14:27let's see uh which which am i doing and
- 14:29which is really oh yeah uh you will be
- 14:31seeing it based on what the breakout
- 14:33room number is but uh rhys is going to
- 14:34break out from one and he will break out
- 14:36from two
- 14:37cool okay i'm opening the rooms now
- 14:45it's recording again cool cool okay
- 14:47great
- 14:48um so uh i don't know if you haven't
- 14:51been here last time
- 14:52when we did the similar exercise the
- 14:54characterizations
- 14:56um so if i can get uh probably the
- 14:59two people who are leading the groups
- 15:01but also if anyone else wants to do it
- 15:03to just uh give broadly like report on
- 15:06what you came up with so
- 15:07uh in the breakout room that talked
- 15:10about the
- 15:11larger broader inclusive movement
- 15:17i guess that is me i was just organizing
- 15:20notes so this might get a little messy
- 15:21towards the end because people said a
- 15:23lot
- 15:23but sure um so firstly on the first
- 15:25question of benefits i think five
- 15:27broad lines of benefits that we got out
- 15:29of this room uh the first is just in
- 15:31terms of
- 15:32broad political support just in terms of
- 15:33having more people who are willing to
- 15:34vote for your policies
- 15:36uh at the times where they come to
- 15:37elections to the point where you're
- 15:38flagging them as good but also in terms
- 15:40of politicians being more likely to
- 15:41table policies if it's clear that you're
- 15:42a larger movement
- 15:43and therefore more likely to be kind of
- 15:46a good targeted audience for them
- 15:48secondly there are claims about getting
- 15:49more media attention for example
- 15:52at the point where you're a larger
- 15:53movement you're much able for example to
- 15:54attract both mainstream media but also
- 15:56to reflect the media attention you get
- 15:57on social media in effect giving these
- 15:59signal boosts to their core group of
- 16:00members and whatever they're doing
- 16:01uh making them more efficacious in that
- 16:04thirdly claims about why you're likely
- 16:06to get less fatigue against harassment
- 16:07i.e
- 16:08if you're a smaller group and you have
- 16:09therefore less people supporting you it
- 16:11is easier to get tired of your movement
- 16:12especially when
- 16:13uh for example the state or whoever is
- 16:16harassing you
- 16:17uh and so that's less likely to happen
- 16:18to us uh fourthly
- 16:20uh the claim that to get committed
- 16:21members in the first place you simply
- 16:23need to get
- 16:24members and therefore having a larger
- 16:26movement that attracts more people is
- 16:27actually a good way of having a larger
- 16:29committed core group
- 16:30you may well not be trading off finally
- 16:32the claim that you may well be getting
- 16:34uh to be more representative people who
- 16:36might well be driven out by the core
- 16:38group of committed members who may be
- 16:39more radical
- 16:40and why this representation might be
- 16:42good for people
- 16:43even without the claim to political
- 16:45change in terms of weighing the pit i
- 16:47took
- 16:48fewer notes for uh and so will be
- 16:49slightly less messy i think a couple of
- 16:51things to say here
- 16:52uh one it is often unlikely that small
- 16:55committed groups actually manage to make
- 16:56feasible political change is something
- 16:58we flagged because you really need to go
- 16:59through political structures and larger
- 17:01groups even if you are able to make
- 17:02maybe
- 17:02less radical change are often able to
- 17:04compromise on some core ideals
- 17:06that you can identify in the debate and
- 17:08therefore you win on kind of political
- 17:10change
- 17:10uh secondly representation is in of
- 17:13itself for good in that for example
- 17:15catering to people's experiences and
- 17:16making them feel better about those
- 17:17experiences where they would otherwise
- 17:19be driven out of the movement
- 17:20is also good for them uh
- 17:23thirdly uh there's a broad set of claims
- 17:26about why we just get more donations
- 17:28both because we have more members and we
- 17:29are more palatable to elite
- 17:31like people who are privileged in
- 17:33society uh
- 17:35because we've kind of sanitized
- 17:36ourselves and given that political
- 17:38change is somewhat unlikely
- 17:39being able to spend money both on
- 17:41litigation and actually just setting up
- 17:42charitable foundations that support the
- 17:44people that the movement is meant to be
- 17:45campaigning for
- 17:46is often far more important than
- 17:47anything committed members managed to do
- 17:49uh in terms of uh seeking political
- 17:52change given that those members often
- 17:53lack the comparable financial capital
- 17:56um i think that weighs everything we
- 17:59said hopefully i didn't forget anything
- 18:02i know this is really good cool so can i
- 18:04have
- 18:05uh the second room so the more smaller
- 18:07entry
- 18:08sure yeah uh this will probably be
- 18:10shorter because i am
- 18:12worse at writing notes uh but people
- 18:14also said a lot
- 18:15so first thing we did was characterize
- 18:17what is unique about more small and
- 18:18committed
- 18:19movements as in what are the unique
- 18:21characteristics we can exploit so one
- 18:23is for example that you have a pure
- 18:25incense ideal
- 18:27beliefs because you just have fewer
- 18:29members who are more ideologically
- 18:31assigned which also means you have two
- 18:32less infighting in terms of
- 18:34now when you are displayed as a movement
- 18:37entirely you have a more palatable
- 18:39message because there is less confusion
- 18:40about specifically what you stand for
- 18:42because the core group is more right
- 18:44just more ideologically or not
- 18:46so what that means is given the things
- 18:48that we care about
- 18:49what a social movement wants to be able
- 18:52to do
- 18:52things such as a being able to be a
- 18:55space safe to
- 18:56particularly vulnerable groups b to be
- 18:58palatable to
- 19:00general people for uh for reasons
- 19:03and those reasons being a just in terms
- 19:05of how they treat you and be
- 19:06in terms of politic just like
- 19:09politically and the mechanism you get
- 19:11people to buy into your group
- 19:12is through the media so in terms of safe
- 19:15spaces
- 19:16just some short discussion as to why you
- 19:17have a dilution of safe spaces when you
- 19:19try and be more broad and inclusive
- 19:21so it acts less as a safe space even if
- 19:23you're providing that quote-unquote safe
- 19:25space to more people
- 19:27uh in terms of media just why you're
- 19:29better able to control your
- 19:31control your message as in generally
- 19:32oftentimes it is things like resource
- 19:34allocation
- 19:35or things that people might not want
- 19:36specifically for you if you're abroad
- 19:39inclusive the media has every incentive
- 19:41in order to ensure
- 19:42that you are to some extent demonized
- 19:44when you have things like infighting or
- 19:46inconsistent messaging is easier to
- 19:48portray yourself as rash
- 19:49irrational which means you specifically
- 19:51mobilize people against you so even if
- 19:53you're
- 19:53incorrect people will vote against you
- 19:55because they simply dislike you
- 19:57while you get less media exposure as a
- 20:00small and committed group
- 20:01you have more control over what that
- 20:03media exposure looks like and it's more
- 20:04likely to be positive which means you're
- 20:06actually getting
- 20:07net positive change as opposed to just
- 20:09mobilizing people who are against you as
- 20:11well
- 20:11uh and then we had like a last second
- 20:14edition of why when when you are
- 20:16more radical and extremist i guess it
- 20:18makes other groups more palatable
- 20:20which was which we didn't really discuss
- 20:23because it was the last 10 seconds
- 20:25cool yeah no this is really good as well
- 20:27so um
- 20:28i made some notes about couple things um
- 20:32i think i actually came up with um some
- 20:34more stuff
- 20:35um so yeah i think broadly in terms of
- 20:38the benefits i think you
- 20:39all kind of covered exactly what i wrote
- 20:42down
- 20:43um i also made couple notes on the on
- 20:45the ebay
- 20:46um so one of those that we mess we were
- 20:49talking about or both
- 20:50groups talked about is the idea of the
- 20:52message so how
- 20:54um obviously the small and committed
- 20:55movement can kind of count on being able
- 20:57to win the idea of being able to
- 20:59formulate their goals more clearly
- 21:01so for example if you have to defend the
- 21:04broader inclusive movement and you have
- 21:06to defend
- 21:06sort of watered-down message you can
- 21:09still
- 21:09overcome this by explaining why even the
- 21:12message that is voted down is still very
- 21:13useful
- 21:14so for example it very hap often happens
- 21:16if for example feminism just pointing
- 21:18out even if you do not have like very
- 21:20leftist feminism
- 21:21even general goals such as like
- 21:22anti-domestic violence can be
- 21:24kind of rallied behind by
- 21:28most women from most kind of um
- 21:33like no matter if you are rich or poor
- 21:34or along ethnic lives etc etc
- 21:37um but you can also if you are on this
- 21:40side of small and committed you can be
- 21:42ver you can massively weaponize the fact
- 21:43that you are the unique one who can have
- 21:45clearly formulated goals for example
- 21:47by explaining why the watered-down
- 21:49version would be completely useless
- 21:51so we use this often in debates for
- 21:53example at climate change or about
- 21:55humane animal farming in terms of animal
- 21:57rights movements
- 21:58so for example explaining why sort of
- 21:59the nice like mitigatory climate change
- 22:02policies that you
- 22:03like craft with corporations very often
- 22:06just do nothing because how watered down
- 22:08they are
- 22:09um and you did mention this vulnerable
- 22:11people being alienated as a result i
- 22:12think that's very good
- 22:14um and
- 22:17i do think that the the the the weigh-in
- 22:20about the popular support is also was
- 22:23done so i don't want to repeat it
- 22:25so it's obviously going to be on the
- 22:26slides so if you want to go back to it
- 22:28um as well as in the recording you can
- 22:30go back to the explanations by ari
- 22:32panries
- 22:33and check it so um given this i think if
- 22:36you
- 22:36gonna see a social movement motion this
- 22:38is the kind of stocky analysis and
- 22:40stocky weighing that you can use for
- 22:42basically all of them
- 22:43um and do well um basically no matter
- 22:47what you have to debate
- 22:48um cool i have any questions in regards
- 22:50of this framework and this
- 22:52clash or is everyone clear what it asks
- 22:55you to do how to do the weighing etc
- 23:01good okay looks like everyone knows
- 23:05so uh moving on the last part
- 23:08so we're going to talk about useful
- 23:10characterizations and useful arguments
- 23:12that you're probably going to be
- 23:14using quite often when um talking and
- 23:17debating social movements
- 23:18so i'm going to talk about how to
- 23:20characterize how society engages with
- 23:23social movements
- 23:24why people join such movements how what
- 23:26are the different tactics social
- 23:27movements can use to affect change
- 23:29and then to broadly kind of more
- 23:32extraneous about
- 23:33violence favor and against and the sort
- 23:35of hierarchical versus horizontal
- 23:36structure and how to be able to defend
- 23:38both sides
- 23:39so let's start with how society
- 23:41perceives social movement
- 23:42and i think this is particularly
- 23:44important and i think this is one of the
- 23:45characterizations that matters a lot a
- 23:48lot
- 23:48in your in social media and people often
- 23:51do not do it
- 23:52so if you are the team that does it and
- 23:53you do it correctly and tweak it to what
- 23:55you are trying to defend
- 23:57you tend to be able to win the room
- 23:58quite easily so
- 24:00where does this characterization matter
- 24:02number one
- 24:03in terms of true choice of mobilization
- 24:06strategies
- 24:06so for example if the motion asks me to
- 24:09prop some sort of conformist strategy
- 24:12i want to paint the perception of my
- 24:14movement in the society as mostly
- 24:16negative so people are kind of averse to
- 24:19me for some reasons meaning that i
- 24:20need to have a conformance strategy
- 24:22because anything radical
- 24:24would probably make the backlash big
- 24:26against me and that would be a bad thing
- 24:28if i'm going to if i need to prop
- 24:30something more radicalizing
- 24:32i want to paint it as more of a positive
- 24:35so i want to say look people already
- 24:36kind of listen to me people
- 24:38already kind of hold the mindset i
- 24:39wanted to hold if i'm telling them to be
- 24:41more radical
- 24:42they're going to listen they're going to
- 24:43do it second
- 24:45it can help in terms of the choices of
- 24:48strategies to affect
- 24:49change so for example if the motion asks
- 24:52me to defend using
- 24:53chords um it can help if i say
- 24:56look there is no other choice because
- 24:58the perception in society
- 25:00is so negative and it's unlikely to
- 25:01change that no one's gonna like
- 25:04uh support me enough to ever have
- 25:05electoral pressure
- 25:07meaning that i need to go through courts
- 25:09need to go through that lobbying because
- 25:10i just
- 25:11won't have the critical mass to do it
- 25:13other way and
- 25:14obviously it can be used to impact slash
- 25:16mitigate backlash arguments
- 25:18so if you want to run backlash um you
- 25:20want to make sure that you are
- 25:21explaining what the society looks like
- 25:24to say
- 25:25look this is why the backlash is going
- 25:26to be so bad or
- 25:29mitigate the other side's backlight
- 25:30saying look like no one's actually got a
- 25:32backlash no one actually hates you that
- 25:33much
- 25:34so um the way society engages with
- 25:37movements slash the particular movement
- 25:39you are talking about can be analyzed on
- 25:40two fronts
- 25:41the first front is the culture one so
- 25:44that is
- 25:44what's the current attitude of ordinary
- 25:46people so if i'm gonna
- 25:47go to the average joe on the street and
- 25:49tell them about my issue what is likely
- 25:51that the joe is thinking
- 25:53so that can go in three broadways so
- 25:55number one it's the
- 25:56idea that it's mostly kind of negative
- 25:59so that is
- 25:59individuals hold some sort of
- 26:01pre-existing beliefs that are
- 26:03contradicting your message
- 26:04so you need to flip them they are right
- 26:06now they are averse and you need to flip
- 26:08their ideas so um for example
- 26:11i think very obvious examples are things
- 26:13like like racism
- 26:14etc uh but even more maybe more subtle
- 26:18is for example the fact that
- 26:19um feminist messaging can often make men
- 26:22some men feel emasculated because you're
- 26:24asking them to do things that they were
- 26:26socialized kind of not to do because of
- 26:28a socialized like always like a gear
- 26:30more you know
- 26:31um macho etc or the idea of like
- 26:34american dream can often prevent you
- 26:36from being able to
- 26:37push forward like very leftist socialist
- 26:40policies because people do not want to
- 26:41lose the
- 26:42the feeling that they have agency over
- 26:44how they change you know the economic
- 26:45destiny they want to feel like they
- 26:47might be able to like once become rich
- 26:49in like
- 26:49uh jeff bezos etc um second
- 26:53it can be apathetic so people just don't
- 26:56know about the issue
- 26:57and you can run different mechanisms
- 26:58about why is it that people just don't
- 27:00know
- 27:01so for example um we run it quite
- 27:03recently at one of the oxford motions
- 27:05um just talking about why um you know
- 27:08people tend to be
- 27:09somewhat content with like the basic
- 27:11needs that they have met
- 27:12meaning that they just stop caring at
- 27:14that point about other issues
- 27:15or the fact that there are incentives
- 27:17for example from governments to
- 27:19kind of hide the issues and not talk
- 27:21about them because they
- 27:22don't want to you know like for example
- 27:24how governments don't talk about
- 27:25race issues because they are scared of
- 27:27kind of alienating their water bases
- 27:29so they instead just like kind of push
- 27:31it under the carpet
- 27:33um so that is um
- 27:36ways that you can explain why the
- 27:37society is apathetic in order
- 27:39to be able to push a policy that maybe
- 27:42would be very public
- 27:43uh you know like mobilization strategies
- 27:45that would make that
- 27:48this is how you can explain why it's
- 27:49necessary and the third way just
- 27:52describing that the
- 27:53the society is already quite sympathetic
- 27:55so you can use it by for example
- 27:57pointing
- 27:58the the fact that the activism and the
- 27:59establishment culture is quite prominent
- 28:01it's
- 28:02like already social media can make
- 28:04people engage with social movements
- 28:05quite often meaning that a lot of people
- 28:07are already kind of sympathetic already
- 28:09know about a lot of issues etc etc
- 28:12so this is how you can characterize the
- 28:14cultural
- 28:15attitude of ordinary people and again
- 28:18you can use any of them so kind of tweak
- 28:20them depending on what you need to
- 28:21what you need to defend chances are the
- 28:23other side is not going to contest it
- 28:25and then you're going to be playing the
- 28:26debate on your
- 28:27um on your play field and you're likely
- 28:30gonna win
- 28:31secondly in terms of uh political
- 28:34opportunity windows so this is how the
- 28:35system how the institutions the politics
- 28:38engages with you so this can exist on
- 28:40kind of a spectrum between closed and
- 28:42open
- 28:43so when it comes to closed that can be
- 28:45maybe authoritarian regimes where it's
- 28:47very
- 28:47hard for you no matter how big you are
- 28:50to maybe get some sort of legislative
- 28:51change
- 28:52because uh maybe voting is not fair
- 28:56or it can be you can describe why the
- 28:59state is
- 29:00actively has active incentive to kind of
- 29:03discourage you or um or um
- 29:06not take you into account for example
- 29:08with movements that kind of threaten the
- 29:09base of the state
- 29:11so maybe movements that are very very
- 29:15radical in terms of redistribution or
- 29:17very socialist movements
- 29:19probably are not going to get the best
- 29:21like reception from a state that
- 29:24obviously works on a basis that doesn't
- 29:26really um like that sort of policies
- 29:28uh on the or the opposite side it can be
- 29:30very open political opportunity windows
- 29:32so that's why the politicians actively
- 29:34try to pander for your votes as a
- 29:36movement
- 29:36um or as a voting bloc um yeah so
- 29:40again you can characterize the political
- 29:42opportunity window your movement has
- 29:44to be able to again push whichever of
- 29:47the mobilization strategies the
- 29:48motion asks you to defend um
- 29:52i hope this makes sense uh just a little
- 29:54bit abstract i'm gonna just give an
- 29:56example
- 29:57so this is one of the oxford iv motions
- 29:59this was in round one um the motion was
- 30:01this house believes that contemporary
- 30:02social movements
- 30:04um should focus on class differences
- 30:06rather than on identity based
- 30:07differences
- 30:08so like gender race religion etc so we
- 30:10were opening
- 30:11up and the way we try to
- 30:14minimize um og and beat og was by
- 30:17explaining
- 30:18why a class difference based movement
- 30:21would be not successful both on the
- 30:23cultural
- 30:24and in terms of the political
- 30:25opportunity window front so for example
- 30:28we explained why culturally
- 30:30people tend to be very normalized to the
- 30:32idea of capitalism people tend to
- 30:34have the idea that they have agency in
- 30:36terms of how they can escape
- 30:37poorly they think that maybe in three
- 30:39years you know they're going to be rich
- 30:41meaning that they do not want to waste
- 30:43time like no fighting for
- 30:45improving the the like their conditions
- 30:47right now because they still have the
- 30:48belief that this is not a static
- 30:50condition
- 30:51comparatively then you would have um you
- 30:54are probably quite aware that you
- 30:56uh can't change your race you can't
- 30:58change your gender it's going to
- 30:59something that's going to statically
- 31:01meaning that people are much more likely
- 31:02to to to to try to improve their
- 31:05conditions
- 31:06plus um maybe the effects of it are even
- 31:09more visceral and you are less likely to
- 31:10be normalized to them so like for
- 31:12example i cut calling
- 31:13um and secondly we also talk about a
- 31:15protocol opportunity window so we set by
- 31:17class-based movement is probably going
- 31:19to be less
- 31:20recepted by the state given that um
- 31:23you are probably asking for things like
- 31:24big redistribution and given that the
- 31:26state is kind of dependent on big
- 31:28corporations and
- 31:29the tax revenue it gets from them you
- 31:31are much more threatening to it
- 31:33than maybe you would be if you were
- 31:35organizing on the basis of identities
- 31:37where maybe
- 31:38both political parties can technically
- 31:40um get some of your votes so they are
- 31:42more likely to pander on you
- 31:43also on the other side if you have a
- 31:45class-based movement you are basically
- 31:47locked to one party that's more leftist
- 31:50so this is an example of how you can
- 31:52kind of
- 31:53use that characterization in a debate i
- 31:55hope this makes sense if anyone has any
- 31:57questions on this
- 31:58uh but in the chat
- 32:01is there a way to communicate a sense of
- 32:03urgency in terms of the opportunity
- 32:05window
- 32:06so uh if i understand it correctly
- 32:10so yes there is for example
- 32:13if you need to prop that some change
- 32:16or something needs to be done by the
- 32:18movement right now
- 32:20you can do a characterization explaining
- 32:22that maybe the political opportunity
- 32:24window tends to be closed in the
- 32:25majority of cases
- 32:27but right now for xyz
- 32:30factors it's open so this is often the
- 32:33case in autoit and regimes so maybe you
- 32:35can point out like look
- 32:36um i don't know saudi arabia right now
- 32:39has issues
- 32:39economically because of like i don't
- 32:41know oil prices and covet
- 32:43and there is some extra other factors
- 32:46meaning that
- 32:47in an otherwise very close political
- 32:48opportunity it now became quite open
- 32:51meaning that now it's the chance of you
- 32:53know social movements to come
- 32:54and do some sort of change i don't know
- 32:56if that was what you asked
- 32:58um or if i missed interpreting
- 33:02the the question yeah that's it cool
- 33:05great yeah so yeah that's a very good
- 33:06question yeah sorry and if i could add
- 33:08on that i think like uh to
- 33:10i think summarize basically three cheat
- 33:13ways of
- 33:14like communicating a sense of urgency in
- 33:16terms of opportunity window
- 33:18tends to be always like three things so
- 33:19it's either um emerging trends so for
- 33:22example a growing discontentment for
- 33:23example in saudi arabia
- 33:24people who maybe want to liberalize the
- 33:26administration so it could be emerging
- 33:28social trends
- 33:29um it could also be secondly
- 33:31administration so for example
- 33:32if it's a specific administration that's
- 33:34constrained to maybe a four year term
- 33:35just be like hey
- 33:36we only have a four year time window in
- 33:38which you do this um and so we should
- 33:39take the opportunity now or something
- 33:41like that
- 33:41um or the finally it's just a specific
- 33:44event
- 33:44um so for example if it's something like
- 33:46the shooting of brianna taylor just say
- 33:48that
- 33:48you know social awareness about things
- 33:50like police brutality
- 33:51is so unusually high and it's likely
- 33:53going to fade over time
- 33:55as the news cycle has no incentive to
- 33:57continue pandering to this
- 33:58and so just say because of the specific
- 34:00event localized in time this is our
- 34:03prime opportunity window we cannot let
- 34:04it go to waste
- 34:05so it's either administration event or
- 34:07emerging trends
- 34:09yeah uh yeah i think that's that's good
- 34:11so hopefully that helps
- 34:12um so unless there are any other
- 34:13questions i'm just gonna
- 34:15go to the next one so the next one is
- 34:18why people join social movements
- 34:20so the common mistake that sometimes
- 34:22people make is that they assume that
- 34:23once they explain that there's some sort
- 34:25of collective
- 34:26grievance or some sort of discontent it
- 34:28automatically means mobilization
- 34:30that is not the case uh because like i
- 34:33can be discontent about many things
- 34:36it doesn't mean i'm also going to go
- 34:37tomorrow and like protest on a square
- 34:39right
- 34:40given that there is a opportunity cost
- 34:44of joining a social movement so you have
- 34:46to give your time you sometimes
- 34:47do your money you sometimes have to risk
- 34:50your
- 34:50health because sometimes protests are
- 34:52being cracked down upon
- 34:54people need more than just being
- 34:56discontent about something
- 34:58to be able to join so there are a couple
- 35:00of things that you can
- 35:02or a couple of reasons that people might
- 35:04have to join social movements that you
- 35:05can use
- 35:06again um to to justify maybe your choice
- 35:09of messaging
- 35:10so the first one i think basic is sort
- 35:12of cost benefit analysis
- 35:14so you've been aggrieved so much that
- 35:16it's worth it over the alternative
- 35:18so like you are just being oppressed
- 35:21enough that you are willing to risk
- 35:23things
- 35:23uh to to change it because otherwise you
- 35:26just can't suffer through it
- 35:27um second uh i think the other ones are
- 35:30more
- 35:30uh maybe less less intuitive
- 35:34uh in terms of identity construction so
- 35:36very often people
- 35:38don't join social movement just because
- 35:39they are discontent about something but
- 35:41because they want to feel like they are
- 35:42being part of something
- 35:44so they want to kind of construct the
- 35:47identity
- 35:48around fighting for a thing so you want
- 35:50to feel
- 35:51like you are saving the planet because
- 35:53you're an environmentalist so you get
- 35:54the catharsis from kind of knowing that
- 35:56you are like a big part of the thing
- 35:58and you have a proximity to a
- 36:00like-minded social group so like also
- 36:02like social movement
- 36:03is like people perceive a social
- 36:04movement in a same way they would
- 36:06perceive any other community or any
- 36:08other group of um
- 36:10you know friends so you go there because
- 36:12you want to be with people that you like
- 36:13that you feel like you can relate to et
- 36:15cetera et cetera
- 36:16so this is also a reason why people join
- 36:18social movements not just because they
- 36:19are angry
- 36:20um thirdly it can be empathy so let's
- 36:23for example if you are explaining
- 36:24involvement of allies um sometimes
- 36:28people tend to be quite cynical about it
- 36:29but i think it's true
- 36:30that people just are often empathetic
- 36:33and if they see
- 36:34that a group is suffering and is being
- 36:36oppressed and they can relate to the
- 36:37pain
- 36:38often especially they can see the pain
- 36:40very viscerally
- 36:41so that can be also like a like a spark
- 36:44that forces people to join
- 36:46or i think the more cynical one is the
- 36:48kind of virtue signaling
- 36:49um so people joining because they want
- 36:51to make themselves look better um
- 36:54this is obviously probably not the best
- 36:56reason but you can also still capitalize
- 36:58on it and explain why even people
- 37:00doing good things for the reason of
- 37:02virtue signalling can be
- 37:03a good thing because you know at least
- 37:06they are not being
- 37:06like at least they are contributing to
- 37:08some way so those are things broadly
- 37:11the four um four reasons you can join
- 37:14the where it matters is often for
- 37:16example choices of messaging so
- 37:20the uh the motion that
- 37:23um we debated i'm not sure where it was
- 37:26i think it was dog's bridge
- 37:27last before before summer was this house
- 37:30supports the shaming of individuals as a
- 37:32tactic for social movements to catalyze
- 37:34change
- 37:34so uh even opening up and in addition to
- 37:38the
- 37:39to the characterization of how society
- 37:41looks like previously
- 37:43we explained why if on our side we are
- 37:46going to do
- 37:46more of a positive encouragement so do
- 37:48like positive sort of messaging
- 37:51you are more likely to pander to people
- 37:53who are joining
- 37:54movements because of the identity
- 37:56construction so we
- 37:57claimed that people joined movements as
- 38:00because of identity construction mainly
- 38:02um and we said look uh people want to
- 38:05feel like they are the heroes or
- 38:06something like they want to
- 38:08have that feeling and if you give them
- 38:10this
- 38:11as a as a sort of encouragement sort of
- 38:12incentive you're more likely to join
- 38:14um rather than if you're going to make
- 38:16them feel bad about themselves at the
- 38:17start
- 38:18um yeah which is how they are then going
- 38:20to get the cohesive et cetera
- 38:21um and it kind of did work so um yeah so
- 38:24that's that's
- 38:25for example one way i hope this makes
- 38:27sense as well uh again
- 38:29drop a message in the chat if you need
- 38:31more to explain
- 38:35cool if nothing let's go to change of
- 38:38action
- 38:39so how can movements affect change again
- 38:42common mistake people focus on electoral
- 38:45change
- 38:46and assume that nothing can be done
- 38:48without like being a voting bloc
- 38:50i think there are a few other abilities
- 38:52that you can use
- 38:53that don't necessitate the ability to
- 38:55like have a big voting role that can
- 38:57vote the politician out or like
- 38:58etc so the first one is sort of cultural
- 39:00change there's the winning hearts and
- 39:02minds
- 39:03but note that this is not important just
- 39:05because then you can vote
- 39:06um just changing people's hearts and
- 39:09minds can be good
- 39:10because you for example can make can get
- 39:13them to
- 39:14have behavior change so for example in
- 39:17case of like
- 39:17feminism or lgbt movement they maybe
- 39:19they will be doing less microaggressions
- 39:21they just go treating people around them
- 39:23better
- 39:24or you can create further pressure so
- 39:26think about as like an immunity
- 39:28so once enough people buy into something
- 39:30they are more likely to kind of pressure
- 39:32or judge people for not buying into it
- 39:34so it becomes harder say to be sexist on
- 39:36twitter
- 39:37if more people have their mind changed
- 39:40they're more likely to counsel you
- 39:41so even like the sexist will just be
- 39:42less likely to be awful because they
- 39:44don't want to get canceled
- 39:46so that's one way to kind of impact
- 39:47cultural change outside of electoral
- 39:50um direct action for example
- 39:52volunteering a lot of stuff can be done
- 39:54by i don't know the activists going and
- 39:56i don't know setting up a
- 39:58homeless shelter etc again you don't
- 40:00need politics
- 40:02um to be able to do that effectively or
- 40:04um
- 40:05affecting cooperation sometimes this
- 40:08requires somewhat less people than
- 40:09politicians because maybe corporations
- 40:11have smaller
- 40:12um you know markets meaning that even
- 40:14just part of their market might be
- 40:16pushing on them
- 40:17they might be willing to change behavior
- 40:18and then you can just explain why
- 40:20corporations have a lot of power
- 40:22as well um so that's another way to
- 40:24avoid political action
- 40:25but if it comes to political action i
- 40:27think there are again a couple things
- 40:29you can use
- 40:30outside of just the voting bloc which is
- 40:32the first way but the second
- 40:34you can you can talk about
- 40:37uh forcing politicians out of silence so
- 40:40sometimes
- 40:40it is enough to make politicians make a
- 40:43statement
- 40:43so for example politicians don't want to
- 40:45talk about issues like race because they
- 40:47are scared
- 40:48it's going to um alienate their like
- 40:51more conservative or like the white
- 40:53electorate but they are also not willing
- 40:55to say something explicitly racist
- 40:57so they are just silent and they're
- 40:58hoping to get away with it now if you
- 41:00push them to make a statement
- 41:02they are much more likely to have to
- 41:03commit to something positive
- 41:05because they actually don't want to say
- 41:08anything racist so like if they if they
- 41:09don't have the choice to be silent
- 41:11they might be they might be forced to do
- 41:13something positive about it so again you
- 41:15don't need that many people about it you
- 41:16just need someone to push them
- 41:18uh or lobbying um again um
- 41:22not all politicians are lizards so like
- 41:24there are probably some good politicians
- 41:26that you can approach
- 41:27and that then can kind of use the agenda
- 41:29setting power
- 41:30within the parliament to push your
- 41:32things through or push other politicians
- 41:34out of silence
- 41:35uh or maybe in specific constituencies
- 41:37you have more loving
- 41:38power than in others so it's not always
- 41:40like on the big national spectrum
- 41:42uh that like the fifty percent of
- 41:43population has to be in favor of you
- 41:45um uh to to get any change done or
- 41:48lastly courts
- 41:49um sometimes you can achieve a lot with
- 41:52a small number of people
- 41:53who can really efficiently lobby a court
- 41:56like very often for example in the us a
- 41:58lot of social movement progress is done
- 42:00by the supreme court making that change
- 42:02um
- 42:03outside of the electoral system at all
- 42:05so those are the broad possibilities
- 42:07um that you can use to kind of propping
- 42:10something that doesn't necessarily allow
- 42:12you
- 42:12to talk about electoral change um so
- 42:15this is ways how to avoid it
- 42:16uh cool any questions about this
- 42:22no cool so on terms of violence
- 42:27so um i think there are a couple
- 42:30mechanisms
- 42:32how there's one lizard politicians but
- 42:35they're
- 42:35back venture and they don't i don't get
- 42:39that
- 42:39but that's fine cool okay
- 42:42so mechanisms somehow you can use uh
- 42:45explain why why would we be in favor of
- 42:47violence
- 42:48so number one um you can talk about the
- 42:51fact that it
- 42:52can force regimes to surrender so maybe
- 42:54police force or military in like say
- 42:56authoritarian regimes are more likely to
- 42:58desert
- 42:59when you have a violent movement it can
- 43:02challenge the state's strongman
- 43:04appearance so
- 43:06it can create a political opportunity
- 43:07window so for example
- 43:09um you can say that if you have a
- 43:13very authoritarian regime where it just
- 43:16looks like that
- 43:17nothing can be ever done if you then get
- 43:20a
- 43:20violent movement that is able to
- 43:22somewhat deal and somewhat challenge at
- 43:24the really strong man appearance of it
- 43:27people can then become much more
- 43:28optimistic and they can feel like look
- 43:31if this happened we can maybe do more um
- 43:33thirdly
- 43:34more international media attention that
- 43:37can spark more
- 43:38international lobbying if you are
- 43:40violent if you are
- 43:41obviously more visible um that can help
- 43:44to get attention
- 43:45of media that you wouldn't maybe get a
- 43:47peaceful protest
- 43:48um lastly no not lastly
- 43:51one before lastly uh moderate wings can
- 43:54look better
- 43:55um so if the state is afraid of you of
- 43:58the violent wing
- 43:59they might be willing to appease the
- 44:00more moderate wing
- 44:02um so if you're scared of like the
- 44:04really radical communist
- 44:06you might be want to appeal to like the
- 44:08more moderate socialists and give them
- 44:10something to prevent them from sliding
- 44:13into more radicalism
- 44:15and lastly it's just the catharsis so
- 44:19people can express their grievances
- 44:22maybe more especially given that
- 44:25especially in cases where they were
- 44:26very oppressed and they were subjected
- 44:28to violence themselves
- 44:30um so that's more of maybe a principle
- 44:32claim cool
- 44:33um on the opposite side if you want to
- 44:35explain why
- 44:36why uh peaceful protests can be better
- 44:38and why violence is bad
- 44:40you can talk about a violence alienates
- 44:41many people because it's too radical
- 44:43but also because maybe access issues so
- 44:45maybe women and elderly children
- 44:48are unable to join us but as much and
- 44:50then you can impact why
- 44:51a broad and inclusive movement will be
- 44:53better by the stock that we've already
- 44:54discussed
- 44:55um you can talk about peaceful movements
- 44:57have higher sympathy from police forces
- 44:59or military
- 45:01uh because you are not like actively
- 45:02attacking them you can talk about why
- 45:04violence would encourage
- 45:06collective punishment so state is can
- 45:09feel justified
- 45:10about for example using force or like
- 45:11using stricter assembly laws
- 45:13and then nothing can be done anymore um
- 45:16as a result of this so not even peaceful
- 45:17protests can happen when the state has a
- 45:19legitimacy to kind of crack down on
- 45:21everything
- 45:22um and um similarly even internationally
- 45:24the state can legitimize
- 45:26excessive use of force because they say
- 45:27okay they started now we have to
- 45:29crack down on them as well and then
- 45:31other states
- 45:32are less likely to to to intervene um
- 45:36yeah so those are the mechanisms um
- 45:39and when it comes to debatable specific
- 45:41movements you can try to characterize
- 45:42the context in such way that
- 45:44violence will seem more and less
- 45:45efficient so for example if you need to
- 45:48prop violence
- 45:49you can talk about the fact that the
- 45:50movement operates in a context where
- 45:53um you have some already some stable
- 45:55membership base so no one is likely to
- 45:57get alienated as a result and you don't
- 45:59even need allies
- 46:00you already have some sort of
- 46:02non-legitimate state
- 46:04um and there are a lot of other options
- 46:07so violence is usually the last resort
- 46:10so you just want to point like you just
- 46:12want to explain it there's nothing else
- 46:13and you already have enough people
- 46:15that like even if you look kind of
- 46:17radical it really doesn't matter so for
- 46:18example revolutionary movements like
- 46:20arab spring
- 46:21that's an example of it on the opposite
- 46:23side you want to describe
- 46:24the membership base is kind of unstable
- 46:26so you need allies you can't illuminate
- 46:28people
- 46:28the state is generally seen as a
- 46:30legitimate so people will be fine with
- 46:31them cracking down on you
- 46:33and there are mother many other
- 46:35potential avenues of change
- 46:37um so this is the way how you can
- 46:39describe the context so that the
- 46:41violence looks better or worse
- 46:42um yeah example of the against violence
- 46:44and the extension extinction rebellion
- 46:47is a way uh is an example of where um it
- 46:49would work to
- 46:50to point out where violence maybe did
- 46:52not work as well
- 46:54cool any questions on this
- 46:58no cool so lastly um
- 47:02on the hierarchical versus horizontal
- 47:04structure
- 47:05so the one thing i would note is that
- 47:08how the movement is organized doesn't
- 47:10just happen
- 47:10by accident so it's a strategic choice
- 47:13in and of itself
- 47:14this is usually because of a signaling
- 47:16effect so
- 47:18um for example movements who are very
- 47:19decentralized for example say extension
- 47:22rebellion
- 47:23they do not do it just randomly they do
- 47:25it because they want to signal something
- 47:27so very often especially if it's a
- 47:29movement that is anti-establishment
- 47:31or they want to point out and show that
- 47:34they are the ones who are different who
- 47:36are radically different in the way they
- 47:37organize
- 47:38they are not like the establishment who
- 47:39is hierarchical and bureaucratic
- 47:41they are actually giving opportunities
- 47:44to everyone involving everyone equally
- 47:46so often this is the reason why they
- 47:49organize themselves in a way that they
- 47:50do
- 47:51in terms of arguments you can run on
- 47:53either side
- 47:54if you need to argue in favor of a
- 47:56concrete leader and a hierarchical
- 47:58movement
- 47:59you can do a explain why it's easier to
- 48:02put forward a clear coherent message
- 48:04i think we discussed this before about
- 48:06the committed movement so for example
- 48:08pointing out you cannot able to speak
- 48:10against violent subgroups because you
- 48:11have a clear face
- 48:12that can say okay this is the stance of
- 48:14the movement whoever is being violent we
- 48:16disagree
- 48:17and people are giving them the authority
- 48:19you can't do it in a more dispersed
- 48:20movement because you're not sure who
- 48:22actually is correct
- 48:23um second easier to be represented right
- 48:26so you can establish personal
- 48:28connections with politicians
- 48:29lobby access to media this often depends
- 48:32on trust right like if like your
- 48:33neighbor joe can't just like show up to
- 48:35the parliament and like talk to a
- 48:37politician uh
- 48:38because there is no trust between them
- 48:40two but like if you have one leader
- 48:42who's that constantly that
- 48:45probably make them to listen to you um
- 48:48thirdly
- 48:48uh you can mobilize the hierarchy easier
- 48:50because you kind of can get the commands
- 48:52through
- 48:53um full fleet respectability politics if
- 48:55you have a bureaucracy you might be more
- 48:57likely to receive funding because you're
- 48:58peer professional
- 48:59you can hire professionals um and
- 49:03just like politicians tend to like you
- 49:05more because you just look like a
- 49:06respectable organization to work with
- 49:08and economies of scale so you have
- 49:10know-how you have resources you can
- 49:12share across
- 49:13you can't do it as well and say like
- 49:14more decentralized movement
- 49:16where every like local bubble operates
- 49:18by itself on the opposite side
- 49:20you can talk about the fact that the
- 49:22leader is in risk of being easily
- 49:24decapitated or co-opted
- 49:25so either they can be just thrown to
- 49:27jail and then your movement is kind of
- 49:28without a leader
- 49:30or um i think this is the flip side of
- 49:32establishing the personal connections
- 49:34so um the fact that the leader has a
- 49:38personal connections of trust with
- 49:40politicians also means that politicians
- 49:41can do something to
- 49:42a piece just the leader to let them kind
- 49:44of drop the issues of the movement
- 49:46so that can be a way to cope the leader
- 49:48that can be problematic
- 49:50um second decentralized movements can
- 49:53probably more effectively represent
- 49:55specific local needs so um especially
- 49:58like say if you have something some
- 50:00divisions based on like like i don't
- 50:02know
- 50:02areas of socio-economic backgrounds each
- 50:05of the bubbles of the movement can have
- 50:07different tactics based on
- 50:08who they are representing and also you
- 50:11can also question who tends to be on the
- 50:13top of hierarchies
- 50:14so often if you have a hierarchy whoever
- 50:16is on the top tends to be the most
- 50:18privileged the most educated
- 50:19and especially it's respectability
- 50:21politics you're trying to look
- 50:22respectable
- 50:23often the places being given to the most
- 50:25privileged group because they are the
- 50:26ones who
- 50:27will look rational if they talk um so
- 50:30that can also be a bad thing that you
- 50:32want to avoid and lastly
- 50:35the decentralized movements of an appeal
- 50:36to your appetite against the system
- 50:38among activists
- 50:39so people want to join a movement that
- 50:42shows
- 50:42that is different than the system
- 50:44because they hate the system
- 50:46they want to go for something that is
- 50:48clearly different
- 50:49okay uh hopefully this makes sense as
- 50:52well
- 50:54good okay so just the key takeaways
- 50:57as the and the end i know this was a lot
- 51:00of lots of lot of matter
- 51:01i am sorry i hope that was somewhat
- 51:03helps the reason why i think this was
- 51:06fine to do a lot of mata dumping is
- 51:08because you tend to reuse it all the
- 51:09time
- 51:10um so if you remember all of these
- 51:12things in any social movement debate you
- 51:14will have something to say
- 51:15um so in terms of the very key takeaways
- 51:17the social moon debates are predictable
- 51:20they are centered around the same core
- 51:21clash take advantage of it
- 51:23learn how to run the stocking mechanisms
- 51:25use them over and over and you're going
- 51:27to be winning debates
- 51:28two characterization matter so top room
- 51:30debates
- 51:31will be worn on those characterizations
- 51:33always characterize
- 51:34if you see it's needed what the movement
- 51:36looks like what the society looks like
- 51:38how it currently perceives the movement
- 51:40in a such way that supports your
- 51:42mechanism tweak it in a way as i told
- 51:44you
- 51:44uh you can use different kinds of
- 51:46characterization depending on what you
- 51:47have to
- 51:48defend and thirdly remember that moments
- 51:51are not monoliths be nuanced in
- 51:53describing them
- 51:54so read about the most prominent social
- 51:56movements and come up with some sort of
- 51:57sticky characterizations and reasoning
- 51:59for those characterizations for both
- 52:01sides
- 52:01so for example like in half debates i've
- 52:05been describing feminist movement that's
- 52:06like really french and really powerless
- 52:08and then
- 52:09on the other half of debates i would
- 52:11just be like look like feminist movement
- 52:12is really mainstream and it can't afford
- 52:13to ask radical changes
- 52:15and for each of these i would have like
- 52:16three reasons to justify why it's the
- 52:18case
- 52:19so have the same for yourselves kind of
- 52:21try to come up with
- 52:23those oppositional characterizations and
- 52:25try to use them
- 52:26to make sure that you are both nuanced
- 52:29and kind of
- 52:30are able to utilize um tweak the motion
- 52:32to your side
- 52:33i hope all this made sense i think this
- 52:34is the end of the presentation so if
- 52:36there are any questions
- 52:38about anything that happened in it uh
- 52:40just
- 52:41put it in the chat right now
- 52:47um if not then i think we can stop the
- 52:49recording
- 52:50and jaclyn
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