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0:00She appears to be a regular mom on
0:02social media, but looks can be
0:04deceiving. This woman, her sister, and
0:07their friend are now accused of hacking
0:10another mom to death in broad daylight
0:13on a [music] street. And I'll show you
0:14the video. Her good citizen on YouTube
0:17that shows one of these alleged killers
0:20flashing a smile to the camera as she is
0:23being taken off to jail for allegedly a
0:26bloody and horrific murder. We're on the
0:29case presented by Law and Crime. I'm
0:32Chris Stewart.
0:40We are talking about a bloody crime
0:42here. Truly horrific. And it was
0:44allegedly done in the middle of the day,
0:45taking the life of a mom of five on a
0:49street in Texas. And to make things even
0:50more disturbing, the alleged killers,
0:53frankly, don't seem fased by the
0:55possibility of spending the rest of
0:57their lives in a prison. And in just a
0:59moment, you will hear what one of the
1:01suspects reportedly said to a camera as
1:04police took them into custody.
1:08War.
1:10>> But this is the woman we need to be
1:11talking about, the victim in this case,
1:14Caroline Pena. Her friends called her
1:17Caro. the woman who lost her life on
1:19Thursday last week. This is video that
1:21she posted earlier this month appearing
1:23to show her heading for a day on the
1:25water with her family.
1:30[screaming]
1:30Carl was 32 years old, mom to five, a
1:33friend to many, and it's unclear at this
1:36point what was going on in her life at
1:40the time of her murder. And it's unclear
1:43how she came across the three women now
1:46accused of killing her. And we're going
1:48to walk through what police say
1:50allegedly happened to Pena on a busy
1:53Texas street in broad daylight. But
1:56before we get to that, I want to talk
1:57about these suspects. So, look at this
2:00Tik Tok here. This was posted by one of
2:02the girls accused of hacking Pena to
2:05death. Her name is Kitty Mia Diaz. She's
2:0921 years old and she posted this video
2:11only a couple weeks ago on June 9th.
2:14It's of her and her four-year-old son
2:16and she is talking about how much she
2:18loves and lives for her son. She also
2:20posted this days after that where she
2:22says, quote, "I've always wondered what
2:24it felt like to be loved
2:25unconditionally. Now I know what it
2:27feels like." And she shows images of her
2:29son. In the caption, it says, quote, "My
2:31Gigi, the one who saved my life in ways
2:33he'll never fully understand. The day he
2:36came into my world, he gave me a reason
2:37to be stronger, better, and keep pushing
2:39forward. Every smile, every hug, every
2:42mom reminds me how blessed I am. He is
2:45my greatest accomplishment, my biggest
2:47motivation, and the piece of my heart
2:49that walks outside my body every day, no
2:51matter how hard life gets. One look at
2:54him makes everything worth it. I love
2:56you more than words could ever explain.
2:59my sweet baby boy, my GG. Thank you for
3:01saving me, giving me purpose, and
3:03showing me a love so pure and
3:04unconditional. You will always be my
3:06greatest blessing." End quote. And you
3:08hear that and you just wonder how in the
3:10world is the person that you see on that
3:12Tik Tok the same person in the mugsh
3:15shot now being held for a brutal murder.
3:19And here she is alongside her sister and
3:22their friend. Now, Kitty Diaz's sister
3:25goes by Cookie Diaz. Officially, her
3:28name is Amaya Cookie Diaz. She is 19, so
3:32she's the younger sister. And then their
3:33friend who's also arrested in this case
3:35is Kandra Renee Faz. She's 21. So, I'm
3:39laying out who they are before we get to
3:41the details of what allegedly happened
3:43because you just find it so hard to
3:45believe that they would be accused of
3:46this crime and one as horrific as police
3:49say took place in Del Rio, Texas last
3:52week. Now, Del Rio, it's a border town
3:53and if you have heard it before, that's
3:55probably because of immigration news.
3:57Police say last week on Thursday they
4:00received a call at 2:10 in the afternoon
4:02and it was because they needed to get to
4:03a local hospital. A stabbing victim had
4:06arrived and when officers responded that
4:08is when they found Caro Pena and she had
4:11been stabbed multiple times and her
4:12injuries were so severe that she had to
4:15be sent to San Antonio for treatment to
4:18try and save her life. So as she is
4:20going to San Antonio, police begin
4:22investigating this case and trying to
4:25figure out what happened. And police say
4:27they determined that Pena had been
4:28allegedly stabbed on the 800 block of
4:3110th Street in Del Rio. We put that into
4:33Google Earth. Here is the image that
4:35came out. Just gives you kind of an idea
4:37of the type of street where this crime
4:39allegedly took place. Pena's friends
4:41tell Ke television that there were
4:45images circulating on social media. They
4:47were going viral locally showing Pena
4:50allegedly in this altercation with her
4:52attackers. They say the picture showed a
4:55bloodstained pink shirt and she was
4:57surrounded by three women. Now, those
4:59images we haven't been able to see them
5:00because they have been taken down from
5:02social media, but within 2 hours of Pena
5:04arriving at that hospital and police
5:07being called in to investigate, and it's
5:09unclear how Pena got to the hospital.
5:11Police made arrests in this case. They
5:14arrested Kitty and Cookie Diaz. There's
5:16a YouTube account titled Good Citizen in
5:18Del Rio, and they captured video of
5:21their arrest. This is Kitty Diaz being
5:23put into the cruiser.
5:29>> And there is Cookie Diaz smiling. She
5:31even makes a comment to the camera. This
5:34was around 4 in the afternoon. Carl
5:36Pñena about 5 hours later lost her life.
5:39She died around 9:00 in San Antonio. So
5:41this is the third person who has been
5:43arrested allegedly a friend of Cookie
5:44and Kitty. Her name is Kandra Faz.
5:46Police have been tight lipped about this
5:48case to this point. They're not giving
5:49us much more than what I have been able
5:50to tell you. We don't know at this point
5:52what sparked the confrontation between
5:54Pena and her alleged attackers, if she
5:56knew them before the alleged attack.
5:59Police have yet to give any sort of
6:00possible motive in this case. It is also
6:02shocking that this case took place in
6:04the middle of the day and where it took
6:06place in the middle of the day. Quote,
6:07"This wasn't something that happened in
6:09a back alley. This happened at the
6:11corner near Sonic on one of our busiest
6:13roads in broad daylight." That was one
6:15of Pena's friends talking to Keen
6:18Television. Now, according to Fox News,
6:20police say that Pena had been stabbed
6:22twice in the back and a third time in
6:24the stomach. It is unclear which girl
6:27allegedly did the stabbing and if only
6:30one of them had a weapon. According to
6:31Fox News, the three suspects are
6:33currently at a correctional facility in
6:35Del Rio. Police say they are still
6:36gathering evidence. More charges are
6:38pending and they're quote trying to
6:39determine the full circumstances
6:42surrounding this incident. Now, we spoke
6:44to the local clerk and they told us that
6:46the suspects at this point, they don't
6:47have court dates yet because they
6:49haven't been indicted and that will come
6:50from the DA. There's no word yet on a
6:53timeline there. Another friend of Pyas
6:55told Fox News this about that image
6:58allegedly circulating online showing
7:00this altercation between Pena and her
7:02alleged attackers. Quote, "That girl,
7:04she was a fighter. She was still
7:06standing her ground." This friend also
7:09posted this on Facebook, saying that
7:12Caro tried to call her shortly before
7:15that alleged attack took place. Quote,
7:17"The last picture we took a few days
7:19ago. I miss you so much. I'm mad at
7:21myself for not being able to answer your
7:23last call today at work. God knows why
7:26he does things. But I know if I would
7:27have been there, none of this would have
7:29happened. I love you, Be, and you will
7:32always be a sister I never had. I'm
7:34going to miss calling you at 5:30 a.m.
7:36and telling you, "Be, I need someone to
7:37talk to." Your exact words were always,
7:40"Talk to me, B." I'm going to miss you
7:43telling me, "Nah, no, no, you don't
7:45settle. You're a boss. A b- word." I
7:48know that if I would have gotten out of
7:50work a few minutes earlier, I wouldn't
7:52have let you gone down alone. You know
7:54that. My heart hurts. B, my kids hurt.
7:57You're gone, but not for God. Joining us
8:00now to talk more about this
8:00investigation, retired NYPD detective
8:02David Sarnney. always great to have you
8:04here on Law and Crime. So, the victim,
8:07this mom of five, you just feel for her
8:09family, for her kids. Uh it was around
8:112:00 in the afternoon that police get
8:14the call that she's at the hospital. The
8:16arrests that we see in this video now
8:18circulating on social media, those
8:20happen around 4:00. So, it's like a
8:23roughly two hours between the
8:24investigation beginning to the arrest
8:26being made. What does that tell you uh
8:29as someone who's done these types of
8:30investigations?
8:31>> Well, thanks for having me. comes back
8:33to these these cases move fast and very
8:35fluid especially an incident like that
8:36you have a stabbing you go back to the
8:38crime scene where it happened apparently
8:40near that sonic location or another
8:42complex way you're going to get
8:43interviews video cameras the thing is
8:46that area seems to be you can't get
8:47around there without vehicles so there's
8:49going to be some sort of uh video
8:51surveillance or video cameras that may
8:53have caught a license plate and then
8:55they work from there it's a very fluid
8:57detectives move very quickly because
8:59you're going to have someone go to the
9:00hospital to find out about the uh the
9:02victim Then you have detectives go to
9:03the crime scene to look for witnesses,
9:05evidence, video, and it moved very
9:09quickly to all of a sudden you have a
9:11stabbing and then an arrest within two
9:12hours. It's really good work by them,
9:14but this is only part of the of the
9:17case. Just because you have an arrest
9:18doesn't necessarily mean that the case
9:19is over. You still have to do a lot of
9:21work afterwards.
9:23>> The video that's circulating online of
9:25uh Cookie and Kitty being arrested, uh
9:28it's certainly shocking. You can see why
9:30it's making headlines. It's like the New
9:32York Post has it, you know, front and
9:33center is like, you know, look at these
9:34smiling smiling girls doing this. But as
9:37far as like the investigation part of
9:39it, like when you have a suspect and
9:41it's Cookie is the one who jokes like
9:43stop recording and she's smiling in this
9:45video allegedly as she's being taken
9:47away. Like how does that impact the case
9:50that you're building that a prosecutor
9:52eventually is going to try? Well, when
9:54we have these calls we call perp walks
9:56in a sense this is almost happen stance
9:58where the off detect the cops get there
10:00and they apprehend the individuals walk
10:01them out and sometimes that per walk is
10:04is important because if the defense
10:06attorney says they were sorry they
10:08didn't make it they didn't do this they
10:09seem very jovial they thought it wasn't
10:11a big deal that's something that helps
10:13you as an investigator because that's
10:16another piece to the puzzle
10:17>> that you still have to add everything up
10:20which means you do a victimology to find
10:21out if there's any relationship between
10:23the victims and the perpetrators
10:24involved. And again, you have to prove
10:26him guilty in the court of law, but
10:27there was enough problem caused by the
10:29investigators to make these these
10:30apprehensions. And it comes back to the
10:33same thing. Her walks are essential
10:35because it's sometimes you might get
10:37something come out, you might have a
10:39conversation come out or they blurt
10:41something out. the emotional attitudes
10:43that they showed and what they said is
10:47so you know if you're getting arrested
10:49and you act that way that's not you
10:52don't usually see that happen especially
10:54something like this cops went to your
10:55house picked you up and had you walk out
10:58and you act that way that's that's
11:00damning in the sense that this is you
11:02can't just say they were sorry they're
11:04apologetic you know whatever defense
11:06attorney is going to try to throw that's
11:08going to be a good thing to weigh in
11:09when you when it goes to trial if it
11:11does go to trial
11:12Well, and you know, before we get back
11:14to like the details of the case, I just
11:15always like have these moments and maybe
11:16it's from like covering this stuff all
11:18the time where it's like you're looking
11:20at someone who, you know, Cookie Diaz,
11:22she's 19 years old. If this is a murder
11:25case and she is found guilty of murder
11:27and she's going to at least spend the
11:28rest of her life in prison, obviously
11:30Texas has the death penalty. We can talk
11:32about that. But like, you just think of
11:34the things. It's like you're going to be
11:35eating prison food for the rest of your
11:37life if you're found guilty. And yet
11:39there's kind of this like, you know, and
11:40I'm sure you've seen it before. I mean,
11:42it's more like, you know, it's not
11:44potentially uncommon that people just
11:46don't have this like realization that
11:48like it's like whatever you like doing
11:50in your life is done other than what's
11:52going to be inside of that prison cell
11:54if someone like Cookie Diaz is found
11:56guilty of murder.
11:57>> Yeah. I mean, the disconnect people have
12:00is amazing. And we're talking about
12:02people who are younger and we're seeing
12:04youth crime has been on the rise. We've
12:06seen 15 to 17 and 20 year olds for some
12:08reason. I I I continually say this,
12:10there's a moral there's a broken
12:11compass, a broken morality into these in
12:14these younger people because they don't
12:15understand they they get fixed on social
12:19media. They get fixed on likes and
12:21things like that and they get a social
12:23disconnect where they don't understand
12:24the like what life's about. You know,
12:26what's right and what's wrong and they
12:28kind of like that blurs the lines
12:30immensely. You know when I talk about
12:32when you deal with kids you want to
12:33teach them structure discipline right
12:36and wrong morality and somewhere along
12:38the line that's gets fractured. I don't
12:39know where it's coming from but you
12:42involve yourself in a fight and this is
12:44what it's going to be. Apparently it is
12:45because there's some video of footage
12:47where the the victim is being assaulted
12:50and you're okay with that. And not only
12:52that you there is a weapon involved
12:54where this victim is stabbed not just
12:56once, not twice but apparently three
12:58times. We don't know who the who the
13:00perpetrator is stabbing him, stabbing
13:02the girl. But everyone is acting in
13:04concert. So that's going to be part of
13:05the investigation is who is the actual
13:08person stabbed. And if there is, maybe
13:10there's more than one. We'll determine
13:11that based on the circumstances because
13:14the injuries may be stab wounds. Were
13:16there more was there more than one knife
13:18involved? Was there more than one
13:20perpetrator doing the stabbing? So
13:22that's all going to come out with that
13:24surveillance video. You're going to
13:25conduct search warrants at the
13:26locations. are going to do search
13:28warrants on their cell phones, on
13:30computers, just to see where they are
13:32and if there's any connection between
13:34the victim and the perpetrators.
13:36>> So, there was apparently a picture going
13:38around social media that's that's been
13:39taken down that like showed part of this
13:41dispute that was going on. Apparently,
13:43there's a Sonic restaurant kind of
13:45involved and you know, there's
13:46surveillance cameras there. This is a
13:47busy part of, you know, Del Rio is kind
13:49of a small town. I think like 35,000
13:51people, but like still like you're going
13:52to have surveillance cameras, things
13:53like that that are going to see. So,
13:54we'll see how all of that comes into
13:56play in the investigation. The fact that
13:58you have three suspects at this point,
14:00and there is going to be an image
14:02allegedly showing the three of them
14:04surrounding this victim, how much does
14:06it matter if there's only one murder
14:08weapon, and we don't know if they have
14:09the murder weapon, but who's doing the
14:12stabbing and who's just there? Like, how
14:13does that impact what the charges could
14:15look like?
14:16>> Well, that would be up to the prosecutor
14:17what they're going to pursue. And this
14:18is a benefit. This would help the
14:20detectives in the interrogation if they
14:21have some video footage of this incident
14:24and if there's one or two or three
14:26perpetrators involved in the stabbing
14:27because there is sometimes the weakest
14:29link the person who would be considered
14:31the least culpable um then they're going
14:33to work on that person to say if they
14:35could say what happened because you know
14:38when you deal with these situations they
14:40are in New York State with they're
14:41acting concert so if one person is
14:43involved in that three rounds that's why
14:45it's it's valuable to have that video
14:48because they can't just say they're are
14:49standing around. If they're engaged and
14:51and assaulting her, they're part and
14:53parcel to the murder of of this of this
14:54girl, too.
14:56>> And I think of, you know, and it's
14:58unclear what their defense is going to
15:00be. We don't know the circumstances that
15:01led into this altercation, you know, and
15:04how it happened and whatever it may be,
15:06but according to Fox News, the injuries
15:09to Carl Pñena, she was stabbed twice in
15:11the back and once in the stomach. How
15:13does that impact the narrative that
15:15you're putting together if you're a
15:16detective in this case that those were
15:18the injuries that ended up taking her
15:20life?
15:20>> Well, that's where you're going to look
15:21at the the surveillance video and during
15:24uh the interrogations of these girls
15:26because you have to see what happened
15:27and that's why you know it comes back to
15:29the surveillance video and what they're
15:31going to say and what you look at also
15:34the perpetrator's hands because when you
15:35do with the stabbing is there a chance
15:37that there was an injury sustained by
15:39the perpetrator or perpetrators
15:40involved. So these things are all coming
15:42into play. detective is going to sit
15:43there. You have them arrested. You're
15:45now going to follow up with Now the
15:48clock kind of slows a little bit because
15:49now you have them in custody. You do
15:51your interrogations and if they lawyer
15:54up, then you're going to work on the
15:55other facts of the evidence. Anything
15:56physical that you could find? And also
15:59search warrants. If they what vehicle
16:01they transport themselves to and from
16:03that location, was there more than one
16:05vehicle? Those are going to get the
16:06search warrants. They're going to seize
16:07those cars. They search on the locations
16:09to see if there's a murder weapon that's
16:10recovered because we don't know what's
16:12recovered at the [clears throat] scene.
16:13We just know there was a scene where
16:14there, you know, did they dispose of the
16:16knife? Okay, they dispose of the knife,
16:18but we still have good video of that and
16:19other and if there's witnesses because
16:21it's a small town, so maybe there was
16:23people who knew them and said this is
16:25what these are the ones who were
16:26involved and they had things to to um
16:29confirm that information with the video
16:32and the witness identical witnesses that
16:34might have been available there.
16:36>> Yeah. And and that can be huge because I
16:38also think of like you have these three
16:39people involved. It was lightning quick
16:40that they were taken into into custody.
16:42But say you have one suspect who's
16:44decides, you know, whichever one it may
16:46be decides that they're going to start
16:48saying that the other two were the ones
16:49that really did it and I just happen to
16:51be there. We don't know what the
16:52surveillance video shows. But if you
16:55have witnesses in surveillance video,
16:57how does that change kind of the
16:59leverage you have on someone who says,
17:00"Hey, I want to talk. I want to
17:02cooperate the investigation." Because it
17:03sounds like if you're police like you
17:04wouldn't really need that person
17:06anymore. If you want to put all three to
17:09be able to be found guilty of murder,
17:10>> you still want to get all the pieces of
17:12the puzzle because one thing which take
17:13you can't always depend on one piece of
17:15evidence. I've seen that before. We have
17:17I've had DNA evidence which has been
17:19refuted and prosecutor would not pursue
17:21a case because of just that. We've had
17:23one ID shootings where the the uh
17:26prosecutor wouldn't pursue it because
17:28only one witness. So you have to doesn't
17:30matter what you think it is, you have to
17:32build that case, that investigation to
17:34determine who was involved. Even the
17:36video that's there, you know, we that's
17:38part of it. So if they you get it, you
17:40get statements made that adds to it and
17:42that's the whole thing because then you
17:44hand it to the prosecutor and then they
17:45can make the determination because this
17:47might be the prosecutor may be in the
17:48interrogation room with them. We don't
17:50really know how they don't know how they
17:51work in Texas. But as far as the
17:53detectives, we're going to do all the
17:55work up first before we walk into that
17:57room. And if we already know who's
18:00involved or who knew that person was the
18:02stabber, we usually go to the weakest
18:03link. We'll find out who the weakest
18:05link is and we'll talk to them first.
18:07>> What's your reaction to the fact that I
18:09mean I I think of a stabbing murder is
18:11just such a any any murder is a brutal
18:13murder. You know, it's kind of a cliche
18:15term people use, but like close stabbing
18:19to do it in broad daylight on a street
18:21where you're not hiding it like in a
18:23house. I mean, it's just whenever we see
18:25these types of cases, just what stands
18:28out to you when it's just something
18:29that's done so literally out in the
18:31open.
18:32>> It the violence is just amaz It it it's
18:35saddening. It's tragic. You can see
18:37these this you would see this happen and
18:40we're and they go back to it. We're
18:41seeing younger and younger people doing
18:43these things and I don't know, you know,
18:47the are they broken? Is there is there
18:49something broken in their head that that
18:50they think it's okay to do? Um, but as a
18:54law enforce perspective, we're dealing
18:55with the the crime itself. So, it's a
18:57violent crime. We're going to deal with
18:59it that way. On on the social aspect of
19:01it, I don't understand. And sometimes we
19:03deal with groups. Maybe one person
19:05wouldn't have done it, but a group of
19:07two or three would do it. We've seen
19:08that with robberies and shootings where
19:10one person wouldn't do it. Be a group
19:12with them. Um, was that what fueled
19:15them? And that's why that in that the
19:17evidence that you have prior to walking
19:20into the room to speak to one to all
19:22those uh individuals is important to
19:24have because you don't walk in cold. You
19:26have to make sure you have every all
19:27your ducks in a row before you walk in
19:28the room because you want to hear what
19:30they have to say, their side of the
19:31story because video doesn't always
19:33capture audio. So that way you have what
19:35they said because like I said, I'm kind
19:37of crazy. I need to know what what they
19:39was in their head when they did what
19:40they did. Because like on that note with
19:44you know jury's going to want to know
19:45like why they did this allegedly you
19:47know if it if it even gets to that
19:49point. Um but at the same time if
19:51there's video evidence showing the act
19:54of stabbing someone with a knife twice
19:57in the back once in the stomach like do
20:00you actually need that motive? I'm sure
20:02there I feel like they're going to find
20:03a motive. It just seems like it's one of
20:04those cases where like something had to
20:06have happened here for as quickly as it
20:07did. But is that something you actually
20:09need as you're putting the case
20:10together?
20:11>> Not [clears throat] you don't always
20:12need a motive because the crime itself
20:14is that action. You know, if there's
20:16some sort of emot emotional disturbance,
20:19that's the reason why detectives have
20:20to, you know, look to deal with the
20:22defense, the possible defenses that a
20:24perpetrator would have. So, we want to
20:26certify that through that investigation.
20:28That's why the video surveillance. Now,
20:30we know that she was stabbed twice in
20:31the back, once in the stomach. Was she
20:33stabbed in the stomach first? Stabbed
20:34the back twice. That may come out in the
20:36video. that also they came out during
20:37the interviews. So, we can't just depend
20:40on that. And I and I I always go back to
20:42this. Even though you think you have
20:44what you have, there's always a jury
20:47that may may not believe what you're
20:48saying because we have to support
20:50everything. We call the totality of
20:52circumstances. It doesn't always get to
20:54a motive. I mean, sometimes you get to
20:56that why. It's not always there. But
20:59with the building of the case, you may
21:01get to that why.
21:03And then when it comes to I know where
21:05you worked in New York there's no death
21:07penalty but in Texas there certainly is.
21:09Um and you look at this case I mean a
21:11stabbing middle of the day broad
21:13daylight all of that mother of five. I
21:16mean this is a brutal brutal crime for
21:18sure. Um they're young. I mean I don't
21:21know how much that actually factors into
21:22the decision of whether you go for a
21:24death penalty. But when you look at a
21:25case like this and what is alleged at
21:27this point there's a lot still that we
21:29don't know. You know is this something
21:31that qualifies? typically in states like
21:34Texas where that's something that's on
21:35the table.
21:36>> Well, that would be up to the prosecutor
21:37to make a determination and then if they
21:39want to make this a death penalty case
21:41um and that would be based on the
21:43evidence they have to show if this was
21:45an ongoing dispute that ended that way
21:47or was it a happen stance moment in
21:49their lives that all three that they all
21:51just met up and [clears throat] did
21:52that. That's why the detectives have to
21:55do that because that way we can
21:56determine whether or not and we don't do
21:58as as an investigator. I don't do that.
22:01That's up to the prosecute make that
22:02determination where they want to go
22:03death penalty case. But we've seen, you
22:06know, in Texas sentencing is very harsh.
22:08It isn't like New York where you may not
22:11get what you think you should be getting
22:12as punishment. This is a serious crime.
22:15And not just a serious crime. The
22:17attitudes of the during the per walk are
22:23mindbending. It's just mindboggling to
22:25think this is that you would walk out in
22:27[snorts] handcuffs by police at your
22:29house and act that way. It really says a
22:33lot.
22:34>> It it makes zero sense. And you know,
22:36the only context to it is that um Carl
22:40uh Pñena didn't die until hours after
22:43that video was shot. But still, I mean,
22:45if you allegedly, you know, you are
22:46accused of stabbing someone, you are
22:48being taken away in handcuffs. And even
22:51in that moment, um, and I'm unclear, you
22:54know, it's un, you know, the background
22:55check that I did, I didn't see any sort
22:57of previous criminal history on them.
22:59Like, who knows if they have a juvenile
23:00record that's still sealed or something
23:01like that. But still, like to even be in
23:04that moment and to not recognize the
23:07weight of the moment or just laugh in
23:08the face of the weight in that moment
23:10and the impact it could have on your
23:11life, it just never makes sense when we
23:13see when we see these. And
23:14unfortunately, we have seen um people
23:18accused of terrible crimes act like this
23:20during per walks um before. It just will
23:22never make sense.
23:23>> Yeah,
23:23>> it doesn't. It never makes sense. But
23:25you know what it is? I I'm not a I'm a
23:28I'm a I'm an investigator. I'm not a
23:30hack psychologist. And that's the thing.
23:31I could do what I do as that. If there's
23:33going to be a psych psychological
23:35evaluation, let them do it on that end.
23:37But you know, that defense is going to
23:40be refuted by what the investigators
23:42bring to the table to that case. And
23:44that's why it's important because the
23:45prosecutor will be a part of the case,
23:47but the detectives are the ones who have
23:49to get the evidence because that's what
23:51it comes down to. The facts matter. It's
23:53not my what I feel, what I think. It's
23:55what I can prove by what the the
23:57evidence that I recover from a scene.
23:59Um, video and the like. Anything like
24:01that?
24:03>> Yeah. And we'll see what happens next.
24:04We'll see what their side of the story
24:05is uh eventually if and when that comes
24:07out. Retired NYPD detective David
24:09Sarnney, always great to have you on
24:11Long Crime. Thanks for being here. Thank
24:12you very much and stay safe.
24:14>> That will do it for On the Case
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24:21Stewart. We'll see you next time.

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