SIKORSKI CHWYCIŁ ZA MIKROFON I POGRĄŻYŁ NAWROCKIEGO W SEJMIE! — Transcript
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- 0:01It is better to be in debt than occupied
- 0:02.
- 0:08Who said that?
- 0:09You said that, Mr. Chairman Kaczyński.
- 0:15But one must be a patriot not only when
- 0:17in power.
- 0:20This means we cannot lose a single day
- 0:22in rearming the Polish military.
- 0:28Crazy Antek, where are they, where are
- 0:30the Caracals?
- 0:32Where are they, where are the Mistrals
- 0:34for 1 €?
- 0:37Where is the evidence for the Smoleńsk
- 0:39attack?
- 0:44I would be very pleased if you left a
- 0:46like.
- 0:47It is a great support for my channel.
- 0:49Thanks in advance. Mr.
- 0:50>> Speaker,
- 0:53distinguished chamber,
- 0:58barely two weeks ago I stood at this
- 1:00rostrum, delivering the annual
- 1:02exposition of the Minister of Foreign
- 1:04Affairs.
- 1:08Even then, I described the situation
- 1:10around our borders and in the world as
- 1:12serious.
- 1:18The United Nations system is wilting,
- 1:20the world of norms and international law
- 1:23is collapsing, and within the West, we
- 1:25have serious cracks.
- 1:33Since then, in just two weeks, the
- 1:35situation has become not just serious,
- 1:37but critical.
- 1:42We have another war.
- 1:45in which soldiers of our most important
- 1:47ally, the United States, are dying.
- 1:52We have a war in which the territory of
- 1:55our treaty allies is being attacked.
- 2:01Missiles and drones are flying into the
- 2:03territory of Turkey and Cyprus.
- 2:09The ammunition stockpiles of our
- 2:10greatest ally are being depleted.
- 2:17At the same time, the war in Ukraine
- 2:19continues and we still do not know who
- 2:21will win, but we know it poses a threat
- 2:23to Poland because Russian drones are
- 2:26flying over Polish skies.
- 2:33Russia is blowing up our railway tracks
- 2:35, and if Russia wins, it will reach our
- 2:38border.
- 2:44>> And by the end of the decade, some
- 2:46experts and military officials worry
- 2:48about the possibility of a confrontation
- 2:50between the United States and the
- 2:52People's Republic of China over Taiwan.
- 2:59If that were to happen, the resources of
- 3:01our greatest ally would be diverted
- 3:03there, and there would be even less here
- 3:05.
- 3:08What does this mean?
- 3:12It means we cannot lose a single day in
- 3:14rearming the Polish military.
- 3:22Not starting next year or the year after
- 3:24, but today.
- 3:27Just, just acts
- 3:29>> are being adopted
- 3:32>> on what we do, perhaps the future, the
- 3:34future fate of our country depends
- 3:40agreed.
- 3:42On this
- 3:45history will judge us by the decisions
- 3:47we make.
- 3:51back when my predecessor
- 3:55>> Could you calm these people down?
- 3:57>> I am afraid not.
- 4:01>> Crazy Antek, where are they, where are
- 4:03the Caracals?
- 4:05Where are they, where are the Mistrals
- 4:07for 1 EUR?
- 4:11Where is the evidence for the Smoleńsk
- 4:12attack?
- 4:20My predecessor
- 4:23Minister Józef Beck,
- 4:26when
- 4:31he concluded a treaty with Great Britain
- 4:33in 1939, he went to London and also
- 4:35negotiated a British military loan for
- 4:37Poland there.
- 4:43It was not in zlotys; it was in pounds.
- 4:50I do not know what the interest rate was
- 4:51, but I know that he did not want to
- 4:53destroy Poland's sovereignty with this
- 4:55loan, but to save it.
- 5:05And the problem with that loan was not
- 5:07that it was in pounds and had interest,
- 5:09but that the equipment purchased with
- 5:10that money did not reach Poland.
- 5:19And today the dilemmas are similar.
- 5:24Italy, governed by the right, is
- 5:26entering the Sejf program.
- 5:31Does Ms. Giorgia Meloni want to put
- 5:33Italy under the German boot?
- 5:36Do you really believe that?
- 5:40Does Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, your
- 5:42ideological ally, want to put Hungary
- 5:44under the German boot?
- 5:47Do you really believe that?
- 5:53>> Ukraine, fighting for its freedom, has a
- 5:55similar dilemma.
- 5:58The Minister said it is good that we are
- 6:00supporting Ukraine.
- 6:02But how are we supporting it?
- 6:04So, Ukraine has the following dilemma:
- 6:09is it better to go into debt, or is it
- 6:11better to have weapons?
- 6:15And the answer to this question was
- 6:17already given in this chamber.
- 6:21It was given on June 21st,
- 6:272022, during the debate on the Homeland
- 6:29Defense Act, under our competitors '
- 6:32administration.
- 6:37Back then, there was also talk about
- 6:39whether a foreign currency loan to buy
- 6:41Korean tanks was too expensive.
- 6:45And the answer was given.
- 6:50An important politician wisely said—and
- 6:53I agree with him—I quote: "It is better
- 6:55to be in debt than to be occupied."
- 7:05Who said that?
- 7:06You said that, Mr. Chairman Kaczyński.
- 7:12But you have to be a patriot not only
- 7:14when you are in power. Thank you.
- 7:18>> Mr. Speaker, wait a moment.
- 7:20You will be able to shout in a moment.
- 7:22It will be about you, too.
- 7:25After the speech by Deputy Prime
- 7:26Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz, let
- 7:28us now talk briefly about civil
- 7:30protection and civil defense.
- 7:33About what we managed to do in three
- 7:34years and what we managed to improve
- 7:36after the mess, after the wasteland you
- 7:38left us.
- 7:41But we will start with this, because the
- 7:43same arguments keep coming up here: why
- 7:45were SMS alerts not sent regarding the
- 7:47emerging threat?
- 7:49So, I will repeat it once more: it is
- 7:51the experts at the RGC who decide which
- 7:53notification tool should be used for
- 7:55danger. Why?
- 7:58Because they know exactly what the
- 7:59dynamics of that event are.
- 8:03And yes, the siren system we are
- 8:05building—more on what you did in this
- 8:07regard in a moment—is the fastest way to
- 8:09inform people.
- 8:12From the moment information appeared
- 8:14that a threat was coming, it took about
- 8:166 minutes to activate the sirens in the
- 8:18districts.
- 8:22Compare these numbers with the
- 8:23equivalents in other European countries
- 8:25and you will understand how quickly and
- 8:27efficiently this system worked.
- 8:31Did everything work as
- 8:33>> perfectly as possible? Of course not.
- 8:37And we have said many times that this is
- 8:39the difference between us and you: we
- 8:41will draw conclusions.
- 8:46Every such situation, every such
- 8:48incident will lead to the modification
- 8:50of procedures, including the
- 8:52modification of the SPO 13 procedure.
- 8:57You, Minister Błaszczak, you, Minister
- 9:00Ociepa, should know this procedure.
- 9:04You know exactly, and you should also
- 9:06know what it looked like during your
- 9:07time.
- 9:09In your time, even if a missile flew
- 9:11across the entire country, not a single
- 9:13siren in Poland would have wailed.
- 9:16Do you know that?
- 9:18>> Please do not insult the soldiers of the
- 9:20Polish Army.
- 9:20>> But I am talking now about
- 9:22>> they were tracking this missile.
- 9:24>> And now, Minister, I mean, because I
- 9:26don't know if you all heard, the former
- 9:28Minister of National Defense in the PiS
- 9:30government.
- 9:32How many years were you that minister?
- 9:36For some six years, he hasn't been able
- 9:38to distinguish the civil component of
- 9:40public protection from what the military
- 9:42does. Shame. Don't embarrass yourself
- 9:44any further.
- 9:48>> And now let's talk a bit about what has
- 9:50been achieved regarding public
- 9:51protection and what we inherited.
- 9:54So, first, a brief diagnosis of the
- 9:56situation.
- 9:58What did public protection look like
- 9:59under the PiS government?
- 10:02Actions taken by PiS.
- 10:04Erasing public protection and civil
- 10:06defense from the Polish legal order.
- 10:09That is a fact.
- 10:12You voted for it, you prepared such a
- 10:13draft bill, and you removed the head of
- 10:15civil defense from Polish legislation.
- 10:20>> I don't know if you did it out of
- 10:22stupidity, ignorance, or if you simply
- 10:23forgot about it.
- 10:25Mr. Błaszczak, you can address this,
- 10:27because you were the one who prepared
- 10:29the law that did this.
- 10:30You erased it completely.
- 10:32What were your next ideas?
- 10:34Today you scream that there were no RCB
- 10:36text alerts, but you wanted to,
- 10:39>> you wanted to liquidate the RCB. You
- 10:41said that the RCB was unnecessary. And
- 10:43what was the alternative to the RCB
- 10:45supposed to be?
- 10:47Transferring the positions to Prime
- 10:48Minister Morawiecki's office. Directly
- 10:50to the Chancellery. What for?
- 10:54To hire a few cronies there who don't
- 10:56have the faintest idea what crisis
- 10:57management is.
- 11:02Well, now, another issue.
- 11:06The alarm siren system.
- 11:09Do you realize?
- 11:11Maybe you don't know, maybe no one told
- 11:14you, that if a situation analogous to
- 11:16yesterday's had occurred 3 years ago,
- 11:18nationwide there were roughly 2,000
- 11:19sirens ready to be activated in a
- 11:21digital version.
- 11:24You led to such a collapse.
- 11:28We are building this system so that
- 11:29within the coming months, all sirens in
- 11:31Poland will be integrated into one
- 11:33comprehensive system.
- 11:35And we have already done so. I answer
- 11:38you: four times as many sirens
- 11:39integrated in digital version compared
- 11:41to your times. We did that, we succeeded
- 11:44in that.
- 11:45If you think that's little, I sincerely
- 11:47congratulate you.
- 11:51Um, we can also talk, because you talk a
- 11:53lot about how smoothly information must
- 11:55flow.
- 11:58Only in your time, and this is not a
- 12:00politician of the current ruling
- 12:01coalition saying this, but the Supreme
- 12:03Audit Office when assessing your
- 12:05government.
- 12:09>> You caused, you led to a situation where
- 12:11most district police headquarters, fire
- 12:14stations, or crisis management centers
- 12:16at the provincial level were not
- 12:18connected to
- 12:22special communications. Are you
- 12:23surprised? I was also surprised when I
- 12:26saw it.
- 12:27These are the conclusions of the Supreme
- 12:29Audit Office's inspection and that is a
- 12:31fact.
- 12:33We will make sure it happens.
- 12:35Coverage is already over 60%, and all
- 12:37county fire department and police
- 12:39headquarters have access to secure
- 12:41government communication, but we will
- 12:44ensure 100%coverage, and it will remain
- 12:46with the RCB—the one you wanted to
- 12:48dismantle—and we will ensure that 100%
- 12:51of the country's territory is covered by
- 12:53special communications.
- 12:56I will tell you more, we will not only
- 12:58have communications
- 13:02based on radio, but we will also build a
- 13:04Polish Iris Square constellation that
- 13:06will provide satellite communications.
- 13:10These are the things we are actually
- 13:12doing.
- 13:14Yesterday, the SPO-13 procedure worked.
- 13:19All its features, all its designated
- 13:21criteria were met.
- 13:25However, obviously, obviously, Mr.
- 13:27Błaszczak, Mr., Mr. Błaszczak, if you
- 13:30want to talk about, if you want to
- 13:32discuss missiles flying over Poland, I
- 13:34would be a little more careful if I were
- 13:37you.
- 13:40You didn't notice a missile for half a
- 13:42year because you couldn't even read a
- 13:44classified memo.
- 13:47Are you aware of that?
- 13:48>> Why wasn't it shot down?
- 13:50I provided the appropriate weapons
- 13:52>> and now, let's talk about what you
- 13:54provided. A few months ago in this
- 13:56chamber, we also had the opportunity to
- 13:58discuss the development of systems for
- 14:00services under the Ministry of the
- 14:01Interior and Administration. Minister
- 14:03Mroczek spoke about this from this
- 14:05podium.
- 14:07He spoke about anti-drone systems,
- 14:09systems integrated with military systems
- 14:12, and systems for warning of
- 14:13low-altitude violations of our border.
- 14:18We said that this system, the first
- 14:20cluster of such a system, had already
- 14:22been launched from savings we managed to
- 14:24generate in the ministry, but that we
- 14:26needed additional funds under the SAFE
- 14:28program.
- 14:31We said then that we want to secure our
- 14:33border 100%.
- 14:34How did you vote on SAFE?
- 14:36Why did you block SAFE money for Polish
- 14:39police officers, the Polish Border Guard
- 14:41, and the Polish SOP? Why? Why did you
- 14:44rob Polish officers of this?
- 14:46There is a European anti-ra.
- 14:50This is the whole truth about what we
- 14:52inherited from you.
- 14:55>> Calmly, day by day, regardless of your
- 14:58crying,
- 15:01regardless of your lies, we will build a
- 15:03civil protection system.
- 15:08Yes, it will take at least a few more
- 15:10years to complete all modules of this
- 15:12system, because these modules also
- 15:15include places of protection, shelters,
- 15:17bunkers—things you had no, no clue about
- 15:20.
- 15:22You completely erased it from Polish
- 15:24legislation, and we brought it back and
- 15:26are now implementing it. 34 billion
- 15:28zlotys for civil protection over two
- 15:31years, and another five-year program is
- 15:33coming soon. We did that.
- 15:35Not you, because you liquidated civil
- 15:37protection, and that is the brutal truth
- 15:40about it.
- 15:43So today, if you have the nerve to say
- 15:45that something regarding civil
- 15:46protection didn't work yesterday, I want
- 15:48to tell you that in your time, there
- 15:50would have been absolutely nothing there
- 15:52.
- 15:55We will draw conclusions, and to be
- 15:57clear, I want to say this with full
- 15:59responsibility.
- 16:02Even though the alarm system is designed
- 16:05so that the same method triggers an
- 16:07alarm as cancels it, we have already
- 16:09decided that after every cancelled alarm
- 16:11, RCB text messages will be sent out.
- 16:17Within the next few months, we will
- 16:19launch systems you didn't even think
- 16:21about.
- 16:23We will launch broadcast systems for
- 16:25notification purposes. We will launch
- 16:28notifications in the mObywatel app, and
- 16:29it’s not that we’re doing it because of
- 16:32yesterday's event, but because we have
- 16:33been working on it for many months.
- 16:36We want to do it right, we want to do it
- 16:38wisely, and I want it to be integrated
- 16:40with military systems so that it simply
- 16:42functions well. Why are we doing this?
- 16:45Because you didn’t do it.
- 16:48And now
- 16:51Mr. Macierewicz, bad,
- 16:53>> Mr. Macierewicz, you should deal with
- 16:55those tankers for a dollar. And now, at
- 16:57the very end, ladies and gentlemen,
- 17:00because
- 17:01it also came up today, especially in the
- 17:04statement by Mr. Fogiel.
- 17:06Yes, today we sent a link to the guide
- 17:08via an RCB alert, and I would do it
- 17:10again if anyone has doubts about whose
- 17:13decision it was.
- 17:14It was my decision.
- 17:17Yes, it was my decision. Do you know how
- 17:19we differ from you?
- 17:23It's that we have something to send via
- 17:26those RCB alerts, because we prepared
- 17:28this guide, because we developed this
- 17:30guide, and because we sent this guide in
- 17:32a printed version to every Polish home.
- 17:40And I am very glad, I am very glad that
- 17:42the response to this text message is so
- 17:44much interest.
- 17:50Yes, I am very glad that there is such
- 17:52interest in this text message, because I
- 17:55am glad that yesterday's tragic
- 17:56situation is a reason for the
- 17:58information contained in this guide to
- 18:00reach the public.
- 18:06And to be clear, ladies and gentlemen,
- 18:08to be clear, ladies and gentlemen, the
- 18:10role of a responsible opposition should
- 18:13be calling for basic information
- 18:14regarding security issues, information
- 18:17contained in this guide, to be available
- 18:19to the public.
- 18:22You, however, have been criticizing this
- 18:24guide from the very first day. There
- 18:26were those who burned it, there were
- 18:28those who tore it up in public. You are
- 18:30completely irresponsible. Completely
- 18:32irresponsible. exercising power. Poland
- 18:35is threatened under our rule.
- 18:37>> And once again, Mr. Minister Błaszczak,
- 18:40this is for you.
- 18:43>> You are personally responsible for the
- 18:45fact that civil protection was removed
- 18:47from the legal system, so today, you
- 18:49should remain silent.
- 18:52>> Thank you very much.
- 18:54>> Thank you. We return to the
- 18:55consideration of the third item on the
- 18:57agenda regarding
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