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Shocking Testimony!! Rebel Leader Prince Johnson Explains Samuel Doe Video & Liberia Civil War - 03 — Transcript

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0:00please and you i think had them for two
0:02weeks
0:03because of
0:05your discontentment with them at a time
0:09can you tell us
0:10who they were
0:12and then also is it true that while they
0:14were there you made them drink you in
0:17no no nobody managed to drink i couldn't
0:19do that
0:20to that i made it into a dream but
0:22driving
0:24because
0:25you know
0:26used to drinking anyway
0:28so i just gave them
0:40so
0:41[Music]
0:51in
0:54in 19
0:56sometime in 1992
0:58the newspaper the scorpion i think was
1:00late 1991 1992 you had a newspaper
1:03called the scorpion
1:05the scorpion carried
1:07um as his headline
1:10prince johnson explains executions
1:13and it was making reference
1:16to the killing of one moses barney and
1:18his girlfriend
1:20on your base allegedly by you
1:24and in that
1:25newspaper the story quoted you as saying
1:29that moses van was executed he took his
1:32own grave can you please come in
1:35is that what i said in history moses
1:37vani was the brother of general samuel
1:40funny
1:42and he caught moses money
1:44had praised so many he was on the base
1:47you assigned him to the mansion nobody
1:50knows they were known before
1:52they were capture
1:54they were long before they were captured
1:55i guess so and he was caught by his own
1:58brother by the intelligence people who
2:00brought him and then came to my house he
2:02sent to me i went they were
2:03investigating him he assigned himself to
2:06the nation they were deploying troops
2:09by group by group on the base
2:12and
2:13they caught him
2:14there were arms that would then issue
2:16him they were in his house to attack
2:18from there
2:20his own brother was general funny
2:23who caught him
2:24i only took my team recorder to record
2:26what was being said
2:27and when that was done the investigation
2:29by the error was done this man did not
2:31deny he said he just went there to just
2:34be
2:35familiar with planning against us but
2:37we'll assign you there he could not say
2:40so
2:41if i had been the one
2:42that caught this man maybe he would say
2:45we have some small problem between all
2:46this that's why i did this i said it was
2:48you you investigated let me know the
2:50result
2:52so i went to my house and they
2:53investigated it and then vernon decided
2:55that they mentioned that by fire squad
2:57so his own brother was killed by fire
2:59squad by his whole others
3:01and his
3:03i don't know about a girlfriend
3:07i know but i was also executed by vani
3:10for betraying us and bringing more
3:12people on the bridge that were not part
3:13of us
3:14and for seeing more weapons in his house
3:16they were not issued to him
3:19was moses barney and other and moses
3:22barney and samuel finally also brought
3:24us to other brothers
3:26our brothers black brothers
3:28funny oliver vanier
3:34they all die in combat all of them are
3:36dead all die in combat
3:40also in 1991
3:43two liberal journalists isaac bantu who
3:47was the local stringer for the bbc
3:50and dan brown
3:51who at the time was a newscaster at elbc
3:55or lbs
3:57visited your base at cardwell
4:00and they allegedly got in trouble and
4:02they were made to drink dirty water can
4:04you come in i'm not aware of that
4:06we protected journalists including
4:08azerbaitu
4:10the only man that i wanted to deal with
4:13and i thought that there was someone
4:14releasing as ubuntu
4:16because there was a
4:18there was something that was wrong they
4:20were taking people from uh don bosco and
4:22send their children to trinidad as you
4:23lay more so when i got the information i
4:26called press conference as a bandwagon
4:28earlier a big game beautiful gown which
4:31he requested for the news in america
4:32against some money you know until he
4:34wanted assistance
4:36but he
4:37suppressed my release when i called a
4:39journalist international when he came
4:41and i told them
4:42what i wanted to say what happened and
4:44so forth or other matters when they got
4:46all of my presence he surprised him
4:48tonight the publish because he was the
4:49price price union president
4:51he refused he refused the publishing oh
4:53you refused my money you told my
4:55beautiful girl
4:57okay so the next day he came in my mind
5:00when he came you surprised my release
5:02you took my money to my car
5:07why is
5:14not so annoyable
5:16was it during the town he drank dried
5:18water
5:19no no they didn't drink dirty water i
5:21said i'm gonna tell the man on the in
5:23the time he was just sitting in my
5:24sitting room
5:25for serving our star
5:29okay
5:31okay
5:34because you see you see these people
5:36have no
5:37you see a man you are wrong
5:40you come he receives you he gave you
5:42gift he take care of you
5:44you need a press to explain your power
5:47position when something goes wrong
5:49and you turn the
5:51to plane
5:51publish it and you may need to give you
5:53two hundred dollar u.s for the press for
5:55that day
6:00so when he came back
6:08okay
6:12please can we
6:14please
6:20please audience thank you very much
6:23you say madam i like depressed people
6:26though they have their own shortcomings
6:28i am the one who opened the first press
6:31in this country during the
6:33they touch like i finance it
6:36so i could not be the same person
6:37against the press but
6:39that may offend me seriously
6:42so i show you my anger
6:44okay
6:45also
6:46mr witness
6:48around
6:491991
6:51early 1992
6:53there was a wave of grenade attacks in
6:56monrovia people were throwing grenades
6:58into people's homes into shops and other
7:00places
7:01and one popular incident was the
7:03incident of grenada attack that led to
7:06the death of
7:08larry milton
7:09and people were
7:11um
7:12saying that it was the inpfl
7:16madam that was made propaganda
7:19perpetrator against the iron pfl
7:22by the serious muslim group
7:24let me tell you something i met larry
7:27martin was a good guy
7:28i'm making my business when i said come
7:30to join me
7:31come and join me and he did he obey me
7:34all his father's property that were
7:36encountered with honorable control all
7:37in tight
7:38bears everything was in tight he came
7:40and opened everything wasn't
7:43but tight
7:43and martin started having problems after
7:46that not with me
7:48whenever larry mentioned was with me
7:49anybody offended us broke they were how
7:51to stay narrow my daughter would say
7:52don't do this don't do it
7:54so he was a man breaking you know
7:56intercity for people that would know
7:59but he had a problem with the asl
8:02he told me that george brown used to
8:03tell him
8:04he met me on
8:06the
8:07president's street business street by my
8:10mother
8:12when he came to see me
8:14he saw my car you can see you have been
8:16killed
8:17by george grew up in a group
8:18i said what happened
8:20then you know you have been killed they
8:21come back to the base the war is not
8:23over here
8:25and before they used to go chemistry you
8:26know
8:27you left the afl
8:29you were the trinity
8:30g3 in honor you left them you think they
8:33would be happy
8:34they won't be happy you left them they
8:36will capture their leaders today a
8:38question
8:39you think would be happening with you to
8:41be as personal you said that you don't
8:42know but i know nothing
8:44he explained to me he had a problem i
8:46asked him what was it
8:47and he told me
8:49he got some properties unknown dressing
8:51room his father and the aisle was
8:55occupying those properties
8:57and he took them to court
9:00to ask them out of those houses
9:03when the world was not over here when
9:04this summer had not taken place
9:07going to say this is why he probably
9:09came
9:10he had no problem with me but i was
9:12shocked
9:13when they said lebanese born
9:16lebanese striker
9:19ordered
9:21that he's the one who bombed
9:23er
9:24larry metal
9:26i would have bought a meter even the man
9:28was facing my my mercedes-benz mr miller
9:31was the laramie
9:33what did i remember
9:34to me
9:38but we were firstly accused
9:40and when this boy was arrested and put
9:42in the police cell
9:43they started the director of police and
9:45started picking them up to confess money
9:47corporate doesn't need copying doesn't
9:54that's what they were doing
9:56so the report came to me
9:58i wrote it on the ecomo i appealed to
10:01them to take striker in the group and
10:03the two men had their jail that they
10:05were beating their consonants to lie on
10:07me
10:08so let the economy take these people to
10:10themselves
10:11that i got no covenant in the senate
10:15they were looking for a way to
10:16incriminate me
10:18so they were in children in the
10:20economy for so long
10:23nobody can prove nobody it was not true
10:27they mean i came out with judgment
10:29that's the name i know today
10:31with a group of people that were living
10:33in his father's house those who talked
10:34to court
10:36[Music]
10:39so when there were no evidence against
10:40these guys
10:42philip banks under federal banks
10:43minister called me to go six o'clock in
10:46the night to the gesture ministry
10:47because
10:48they were working throughout the day and
10:49throughout that evening to go and stand
10:51for striker in her group
10:53now what happened
10:55these politicians
10:57look i'm facing problems with god
11:09[Music]
11:12do a print jersey in your government
11:15many people are among them
11:16[Music]
11:18some people will not come here
11:20within democratic disposition i am a
11:22senator
11:24representing the biggest countries
11:26second to mastering the biggest country
11:28the richest country we are going down
11:30the mountain
11:32i am the most senior senator
11:35you are appointee
11:36if you got any constitution saying why
11:38the poor can't let you everything won't
11:39be in government you are chairman
11:41president tell me
11:42if you're not interpreting the hell
11:44there you you you don't worry
11:47me i went to my people and they left me
11:50you see how much i am not by my people
11:52why why are there constituencies can
11:55there go and be elected
11:57then they tell the president don't
11:58travel with a man bro
12:00that is are you without the president i
12:02want a brother are you kidding me why
12:04i'm proud are you kidding me
12:06so they might just stop the dirty
12:07propaganda
12:09the trc
12:11because like joe wally rightly said
12:13there are thousands of people in africa
12:15there who got guns deadly weapons and
12:18those guys are not coming here tomorrow
12:20to ask you for a job
12:22but if you take care of the soldiers
12:24that refuse to me who have this arm to
12:26you
12:27if you help them to provide jobs you
12:29will defuse whatever they may be
12:31planning back then
12:33you can pay for the bhagavad-gita
12:36that does not stop him from keeping them
12:39there
12:39he will keep them there for his own
12:41protection
12:42and he will never know when to come here
12:44he will keep them there because he wants
12:46to be president
12:47he won the contest they are there
12:51so the politicians were joining wagon or
12:54they all literally that god had to say
12:56they may not write this boat as they
12:58ride their own boat
13:02because the internal government was
13:04competent according to a degree
13:08[Music]
13:09then there would be no need to change
13:11him to put the republican
13:13if the opponent were all right
13:15there will be no need to put
13:18the senator
13:26that came after that
13:28nobody is perfect
13:30but you tempered with people's lives
13:31with lies
13:34it's not good
13:35that's why when i meant to the to the
13:38that commission governor commission
13:40difficulty when you blast that they
13:42almost go for it you own that you can't
13:44go teach or you can't go to reform
13:46you won't be on the parade because here
13:47right now with george
13:51here's the fact
13:52that when somebody go to a brother and
13:54say why do you pray johnson so he told
13:55us he was elected
13:57[Music]
13:59to tell you that a woman is not
14:02okay mr witness before i proceed with my
14:05questionings um i would just like you to
14:08understand that we will ask certain
14:10questions because of clarification no i
14:12know how else are you okay thank you
14:14very much um
14:20is it true
14:21also that
14:23one of the reasons you
14:25have problem with dr sawyer
14:28is because when the war happened you
14:31came across a lot of money and then when
14:33he changed the currency from
14:35jj to liberty you lost
14:39what morning did i come across
14:42what money which bring the fabric
14:44if our agreed up for money all the banks
14:47if our mother spending the central bank
14:49with the 8.7 million dollars we had a
14:51key
14:52aqua entertainment taking the money what
14:54are you doing to me
14:55the morning destroyer
15:04he was just extraordinarily wicked the
15:06after was lost with western blood to
15:08bring that kind of man that he was able
15:10to pray money thinking that we are
15:11thieves
15:12as i started taking my boys and money
15:15from this much my participating money
15:17when somebody take 500 like a librarian
15:19when you go to the band of children
15:20because everybody was using the body
15:22they were sitting from there and put it
15:24in a container he was using air
15:26conditioning my man
15:28and that's why they went to town bro
15:29octopus because i could not control it
15:32and i became victim
15:34house divided against the second nasty
15:36so i had a right to air coming for
15:37everybody
15:40are going to find my own boy i train and
15:42i couldn't look at that killing me or
15:43any of my family
15:45so i wonder here come on
15:48missing witness but i didn't come across
15:50any money
15:50[Music]
15:52the bank dying banger agricultural brand
15:55when i heard one night there was a blast
15:56on that building and they scored out of
15:58my home and sending rpg to me who to
16:00enter we executed that man
16:03we didn't come to steal money
16:04[Music]
16:06we did not come to steal your money
16:12mr witness when you were on the current
16:14world base
16:17there were a lot of women who lived on
16:18the base allegedly
16:21your women or your wife
16:23um can you please tell us
16:25the circumstances surrounding those
16:27women on the beach how one how many of
16:29them were there
16:30were you married to all of them
16:33were they
16:34forcibly taking their
16:35you get a consensus before they went
16:37there to live with you and what was the
16:39general living condition
16:42i would without respect well i got 50
16:45waves of this that's my privacy
16:49i didn't take any money but force
16:53so uh peacekeepers were in town if i had
16:56forced anybody
16:58and the peacekeeper were always on my
17:00base
17:02and diplomatic institutions were always
17:04coming on my base
17:06and they were not tired of chicken or
17:08goats
17:09they would have gone away
17:12but it was not the case
17:14conditions were perfect we have food we
17:18have international contact no
17:19revolutionary stage without supporters
17:23the uniforms you saw me wearing the
17:25shoulder hat all the different handsets
17:28didn't come from heavy and dry
17:31there are issues but people who believe
17:32in our struggle and i cannot call their
17:34names
17:36so these
17:37these women uh can you give us an
17:39estimate of how many of them were there
17:42on the base parliament can you give us
17:44an estimate of how many women were there
17:46on the basis are a battalion of
17:47commandos compressed or women
17:50the civilian women no civilian
17:53no civilians over three in commando
17:55taxes
17:57including mrs amy collins who were
17:59saying who was johnny collins was a
18:00volunteer because imprv established
18:02volunteer service to clean the street
18:04they body to provide food for the public
18:06in other things
18:07and to take care of our documents and we
18:10had to communicate to communicate with
18:12international institutions that were
18:14monitoring the affairs in liberia so she
18:16was a volunteer
18:18she was not my wife only a secretary
18:22not even a girlfriend it's surprising
18:24for you to know that
18:26okay
18:27um
18:29mr johnson you also had
18:32children on the base
18:34yeah i got two children my own children
18:37before the war and i'm after the war and
18:39now
18:41i'm increasing and that's god's blessing
18:46okay besides your own children they two
18:48have
18:49some children there who have three
18:52thousand children abandoned
18:54with children or the children that were
18:56brought to my base for feeding because
18:57we had all the facilities we registered
19:00they took the orphanage with the unicef
19:03and so they were taking care through and
19:04i make sure that across their own is
19:06suppressive sustained fire during the
19:08octopus and an aluminum boat or to a
19:11unicef that's a record i may save all
19:14the children nobody got wounded
19:22i beg your indulgence but i will come
19:24back again to
19:25the situation of the women i know you
19:27said it's your private matter
19:29but uh i'm just curious and i would just
19:32like some clarification no because you
19:34see madame
19:35we all honor the respect no woman has
19:38come here to say preacher ain't talking
19:39about force
19:42nobody has complained that i told him
19:43about force
19:44so if you ask a general question
19:47or a speculation then i cannot answer
19:49speculation
19:51okay
19:56these women who
19:58these women
20:00view on
20:01your car world base
20:03they have
20:05their own rooms did they have doors to
20:07their rooms where they had some privacy
20:09or they had clothes tied to their doors
20:11commandos lived on bombards they were
20:13all on bombards
20:15i thought they were soldiers okay these
20:17are people who among men and women
20:19decided to join the struggle the
20:21revolution
20:22and they were trained in military
20:24tactics
20:26okay
20:27at the time of
20:29the late president those captured
20:31there was a fleet of vehicles
20:34presidential motorcade
20:36those vehicles were government
20:37properties and we turned them all over
20:39to that soil along with the 8.7 million
20:42dollar document that we that show you
20:44that the money in the bank will turn
20:45everything over so how many vehicles you
20:48thought i can't remember today but as
20:50many as were captured
20:51the ss vehicle the escort v the escort
20:54vehicle the the lamborghini official car
20:56door were given to sire and i'm turning
20:58solid to nigerian they took it to
21:00nigeria
21:03okay
21:10um
21:12please audience can we
21:14get some quiet okay
21:16mr witness you were
21:18you were bodyguard so they laid thomas
21:21during the time of well most people say
21:22so you may be with my cousin so i often
21:24go there and
21:26follow my own desire post myself for a
21:29day or two
21:30so i could get this smart thing for
21:32going by that's why
21:33i was now officially son you are now
21:35officially a son no okay
21:37but were you
21:39with him
21:40in 1981 during the time of
21:43thomas wesson's execution
21:48what do you think about that
21:50incident it was a saga that i won't
21:52believe it was a phantom cool
21:54designed by the junta itself and
21:56i regretted working how to endorse that
22:01okay you uh my colleague
22:03was
22:04talking to you about scorpions is it
22:06true that you kept live scorpions in a
22:08jar
22:09scorpion is my friend here's my emblem
22:13from the libyan desert i slept in the
22:15desert full of scorpions
22:18it is my humbling
22:21so you had the scorpion red scorpion
22:23belong to commandos special forces
22:28and mr witness you're also a religious
22:31man
22:32you're also a religious man i'm ordained
22:35evangelist you are unknown you're
22:36involvement in your church
22:41it's true
22:55and yo
22:57is your is your favorite song
23:00his eyes are on the sparrow yes can you
23:02tell us a little bit about the song and
23:05his possession can keep his eyes on the
23:08spiral he wouldn't fail to keep his eyes
23:11on me
23:13that's your favorite song
23:24you mentioned that the late president
23:26duel was embalmed for 25 years yes
23:29was there any specific reason why you
23:32wanted him well we wanted to keep him
23:35embalm like that and for generations to
23:38come to see this beautiful grave
23:40but you know i i mentioned it briefly i
23:42didn't end with that but when i went to
23:44nigeria it was okay we when he said i
23:46was kalama i was eating so there was no
23:48way to keep him but they busted the vote
23:51and the the foreign journalists saw that
23:54took the photograph as i earlier said
23:55and my deputy decided because he was not
23:58only mandatory but he was also my big
23:59brother he was older than i am
24:02so whatever he said as an advice most i
24:05took others and discretionary who was
24:07this was my own who was you referring to
24:09your deputy
24:11oh okay he was a great man
24:14but could you have re-bury
24:16the cops of those
24:18so that uh you said you committed the
24:21body yeah you did it finally you did it
24:24funny
24:25i said you don't want two more grades
24:27you can have two grapes
24:30where was um samuel doe berry originally
24:34follow me
24:36hello my my general and in fact when i
24:39left to go to nigeria as i said
24:41i said one thing happened here that's a
24:43criminal and the other one when i left
24:46the same government of solar city are
24:48hidden so much weapon in the grave
24:50and they want to dock everything and use
24:52the bulldozer to remove everything they
24:54see anything
24:57they said broke the boost of my
24:58commanding general home
25:03you mean originally or after you
25:06cremated the body there were two groups
25:08there though
25:10which part of all your base
25:16when you're going to cut the song you
25:18won't know i would say
25:25they said you said true that you kept
25:27his call as a trophy you used to show
25:29people samuel score
25:30i was amazed when i saw what i saw
25:33in magazines
25:34they gathered so many scores looking
25:37they were wrong
25:39battle among forces between forces
25:42till the people attacked me for not
25:43joining them
25:45and you limo came in and laura came in
25:47and
25:50what was it is it lpc blackburn kidney
25:54and their bodies were all on our base
25:57soldiers our king were left on berry
26:00and they decay
26:01so somebody went and took a
26:04head scrolls of those people and parked
26:06there and said prince johnson based are
26:07you insinuating that these are natural
26:10skills
26:11they don't report my troops care whether
26:12surveillance brutally kills
26:15innocent people or he said combat
26:18because in combat of the car we fought
26:20there were bodies all over so there's
26:22soldier
26:28to go by shooting them too
26:31the boys were all over there
26:33it was after we had left the country
26:35that uh ecomo on sawyer administration
26:38when i started parking scores parking
26:40scores but this cause when i see on the
26:42days before when you were there eating
26:43my food
26:46decided parking score to damage my name
26:48internationally and to promote their own
26:50gains for what
26:54the scholars you saw they were the
26:55scores of soldiers
26:58or they may have been the scores of
26:59innocent people that the bullet straight
27:01bullet killed and anybody buried them
27:03but there were none people that were
27:04massacred
27:06no
27:07if i got your car today they put me in
27:09the air i'm well known well respected
27:11even were no guns that meant when i was
27:13there they were
27:15okay you um
27:17you spoke about the michael du incident
27:20but i wasn't too clear
27:22as to where exactly he said he was
27:23killed was he killed you said hotel
27:25africa hotel africa we were on a serious
27:28attack by taylor forces starting from
27:31banjo a
27:32banjo and wasn't killed in the hotel
27:34itself or outside the grounds of the
27:36house he was killed in africa wherever
27:37he was killed it was anger that killed
27:40him believing that he actually brought
27:41to the people
27:44because the one that was taking place
27:45they are going
27:47he had it to take
27:47hotel
27:49how was he killed who pulled a shaker
27:51i can't say he was killed he was killed
27:53thinking he was a traitor
27:55he was betrayed by his own employee anna
27:58bradley
27:59if you are in a position where
28:03and somebody said that person was
28:04brother and we know very well that god's
28:06being the strong supporter of taylor of
28:08course
28:09michael don't won't be exceptional but
28:11the truth true is though it could be
28:13that he was supporting tonight with god
28:15when he wasn't part of this invasion
28:17that he brought to banjo bridge
28:19she lied on him because he wanted a job
28:21okay mr witness you just explained to us
28:23that
28:24of the circumstances surrounding mr dos
28:27killing was an accident it was um
28:31it was not something that was intended
28:33to kill him or did one of your men kill
28:35him
28:36i can tell you we are facing combat
28:39the important thing to know is to the
28:41acceptance of a cable my
28:43only the suspicion that he brought to
28:45the people
28:46but that was not the case
28:48he was killed by your troops in the
28:49hotel africa building well when the
28:51gunfire started and the annam brothers
28:53reported that he had brought other
28:54people and we saw the wounded coming and
28:56we saw the action on the battlefield and
28:59they are ordered to go there to him and
29:01he got shot in there because they
29:02thought they were hiding their struggles
29:03seemed very true when we were told
29:06they were later on the employees or the
29:07very hot africa beginning to say they
29:09have been thrown between macarthur and
29:11his roommate for job
29:13then my ear began to drop closer to here
29:15and i ordered that they should bring the
29:17woman that when the delivers are not
29:18rescued how quickly they take her to uh
29:22down the air to go to nigeria
29:29military operation
29:31we don't have time to investigate gun
29:32shooting people die
29:34and they said this person is a
29:35collaborator what do you do
29:38sometimes things go wrong before you get
29:39to know it's late
29:42it's like the the ecommerce alpha jet
29:45after taking free time
29:47when a group of families came out to
29:49dance in jubilation or they re-captured
29:51a frittata the aircraft dropped the
29:53crashed up bomb and killed all the
29:54people there
29:57who were responsible
29:59it's missing target it may stop the
30:01people from enemy
30:02but the intelligence on the branches
30:04told them that no animals were in town
30:06they produced that civilians
30:09they will inform them before they got
30:10across the bomb
30:12so you know what mistakes happen
30:16sometimes some american
30:18school to start with people and they
30:19would like to say their passing
30:29we regret the incident definitely we
30:31told the family
30:33because it was not involved in what they
30:34said was involving
30:39you met his family already well they got
30:41a fruit from america and came to dr
30:43silly
30:43my son was in peace and they invited me
30:45i went there he told me i explained to
30:47her what happened
30:49and i think that
30:54other people i know i told
30:56the family
30:57but i wonder why the girl didn't tell
30:59the mother or the woman who said
31:09what do you know about
31:11the killing of nathaniel monkey kerper
31:14and his son
31:16grungry kremper i don't know
31:20what about concrete creeper he was we
31:22don't know kevin no
31:25okay
31:26thank you very much mr witness
31:42thank you very much uh mr witness
31:46all senator johnson
31:49who's that
31:50that's right
31:54how are you
31:55i'm fine are you
31:56very
31:58good uh before i uh go into my main body
32:02of questions uh
32:04i perhaps would just want to follow up
32:06on two things
32:07one on uh
32:10the devil mr michael though but before
32:12that
32:14i would
32:16uh
32:17talk about
32:18some comments
32:20that you may
32:21listen to me before coming to trc and
32:23your own statements the other day
32:26[Music]
32:27as i listen to you very closely
32:32talking about your encounter with the
32:34late general kurinba
32:37and the uh
32:38failed invasion of 1985 or abortive
32:41school attempt whatever
32:43i ever want to call it
32:46you narrated quite a great deal
32:51but nowhere in your statement or in your
32:53testimony
32:55did you give any indication
32:58that you were with uh general quinbar
33:00around the vicinity of the mansion
33:03i was not at the mansion i was on a
33:05registration with the in the vicinity of
33:07the mansion
33:10that means that from the police station
33:12university foreign ministry no i don't
33:14know i don't know i talked about the
33:16female drive that early morning when
33:19these bloody fires began to
33:22take place at a mansion
33:24and then the coming coming an entire
33:26bear came to my house
33:28right behind the city hall and we had to
33:30go to the station that's what i began to
33:32say
33:34yeah but if you can recall
33:37that prior to your coming you raised
33:39quite some controversy
33:41when uh it was announced that the trc
33:43had expected or was expecting you to
33:45come
33:46and erase uh quite some controversy
33:49by
33:50declaring that
33:52the chairman of the commission
33:54was impartial because you met him on the
33:57day commissioner
34:01i'm coming sir
34:02you see a different senator johnson here
34:04today
34:05i came here i took an hour to explain
34:07before bringing
34:09into perspective what i had earlier said
34:11so we can say than that
34:13i don't come to that that is not
34:14important another question
34:16so can we conclude
34:21but i dropped that
34:23i said here earlier when i started
34:24speaking i said that people before who
34:26would sit or stand to speak to tell our
34:28story how they're going to return
34:31and to hold they tell the story
34:36[Applause]
35:01sir
35:16hello audiences
35:39order please silence please
35:47please
35:48silence
35:51as i was saying sir
35:56silence please
35:58ladies and gentlemen
36:02do not disrupt the proceedings
36:07please
36:10we begging you you're forcing our hands
36:12to do what we don't want to do
36:15and these hearings will go on for a good
36:17while we don't want to deprive the
36:19public
36:20we don't want to discriminate and decide
36:22who should come here we shouldn't come
36:23in we don't want the supervisor to come
36:25by invitation only
36:28we beg you you force us to do all we
36:30don't want to do
36:31[Music]
36:35mr witness sorry for the
36:38interruption yes as i was saying
36:42as i was saying
36:43[Music]
36:45i was in bangkok i moved to bangla 1984
36:48i did not leave there until
36:51april 1998 but i'm
36:59that you restrict your question to what
37:01my narration have been
37:04i hope because we go into what you are
37:06talking is an argument that will destroy
37:08the process
37:16we're not in an
37:20illuminate because argument did not say
37:22it doesn't mean that i don't know my
37:23right we are trying to illuminate
37:25aspects of our history
37:27for the benefit of our posterity
37:44if you don't have questions go ask
38:23can we have a moment of silence in here
38:32can we have a moment of silence in here
38:40ladies and gentlemen
38:42these theories are meant for our benefit
38:46your only participation is to sit and
38:49listen
38:50you are not part of the argument in fact
38:52we don't intend to be an argument
38:56like i said you are stretching the
38:58commission to adopt stringent measures
39:00to ensure that inserience
39:03are conducted inquire to
39:06indignity
39:07with respect for the process and witness
39:10understand
39:13we beg your indulgence please
39:17please
39:18keep your opinions to yourself
39:21when we are out of here are you out
39:22there not in the hall
39:24[Music]
39:26this attitude is disruptive
39:28and it shows disrespect for the witness
39:30understand
39:32and for all of us who have gathered here
39:34for a very genuine national purpose
39:37we begin you again please
39:40you are all of your experiences
39:42overcrowded we should have shut the door
39:45after we had a ccf field
39:47but because you show enthusiasm and
39:49interest it's scary voicing for peace
39:52let everybody come and now you have come
39:54and you are disrupting
39:56your very presence over here is stretch
39:58is threatening to us but we can do it
40:00because you are interested and now you
40:02go into the extra you are disrupting you
40:05don't want the process to flow smoothly
40:09we're begging you
40:10respect yourself and respect us and
40:12respect the witness
40:14[Music]
40:16we're begging you
40:19don't make us do what we don't want to
40:20do
40:25sorry mr witness
40:28thank you
40:29i'm sorry mr witness for the
40:30interruption
40:33this is not intended to be an argument
40:37now if i should move on
40:41there was a time
40:43somewhere in
40:45late 1990 early 1991
40:50when the president of burkina faso bless
40:52campaore
40:54in an interview with jonah freak
40:56magazine
40:58confirmed that
41:00he has sent a battalion of bokonabe
41:04para commandos
41:06to assist the mp avail
41:08as a matter of fact in that particular
41:10publication
41:13there was a picture
41:16of an armored vehicle and standing by
41:17the armored vehicle where some people
41:20who look like
41:22what
41:24uh
41:25we call tuarex like arab looking like
41:28people
41:29in that particular article
41:31were you aware at the time that
41:34begunable troops
41:35had been dispatched to assist mr taylor
41:37at that time
41:39on the commissioner i had broken away
41:41long
41:42before then
41:43so i have no idea
41:47were you aware at any point
41:49in time
41:51where
41:53according to uh
41:56some witnesses
41:57who have come before us
42:00that
42:03that uh mr sirleaf
42:06was present at military parades were you
42:08aware of any any point at a time
42:10engagement with the mps
42:13commissioner
42:15i don't know
42:17our president to be
42:20a revolutionary
42:22a tough
42:24woman
42:25referred to as iron lady
42:28there's truth and reconciliation are you
42:30called dramatic
42:32institutional
42:34public hearings
42:36requires that individuals come to
42:38explain their story
42:40i cannot explain for anybody
42:43but the other letter has a meaning
42:46and that meaning must be told
42:49my name is
42:52means
42:53the man is unfortunate
42:55the man is ready the man is not sleeping
42:59the man is dressed
43:01so whatever we are going to do to that
43:02man is away
43:04that's the meaning of her name
43:06so
43:06our mother comes and i'm so glad
43:10that
43:11she has consented to come before the trc
43:15and those who are talking all the detail
43:16on the radio they know plenty of good
43:18what they are talking
43:20the good thing is the old masses should
43:21come
43:22so liberians are waiting to hear
43:25her story
43:26but in my opinion
43:29there is nothing wrong
43:32that i believe that mr sullivan had done
43:35to this country or in this country to
43:37anyone
43:38she is a revolutionary who for
43:39dictatorship
43:41i fought dictatorship she fought into
43:44the ship all of us including you still
43:46on communist tour
43:48we fought into the ship
43:49and all of us are on board right now in
43:52this garment we should make it right
43:54i cannot be angry with anybody when
43:57anything would offend me because we are
43:59all in one book we wanted to see fair
44:02play justice equality peace and
44:04stability
44:05so
44:06those who people even told me they call
44:09me i receive more than more more every
44:11day my god call your money hold that
44:14prince will god tell the truth
44:16look here
44:18i talk restricting
44:20my narration to my involvement
44:23the old man will come
44:24she will explain
44:26i also pray that the harry greens will
44:28come
44:31but i have no knowledge
44:34over mr silly's military involvement
44:38i don't know how to be a strong
44:40political figure
44:41who fought every dictator in this
44:43country at home in abroad
44:45and at the peak
44:47of the revolution where male political
44:51activities could not help the system
44:53could not have removed the dictatorship
44:55if at the peak of the making of the
44:58decision for military option whether she
45:00was party and pastor part and parcel of
45:02it she has to explain
45:05how can i explain for her
45:07thank you
45:08thank you very much
45:09uh now uh in this statement
45:12in reacting to statements by mr herman
45:15cohen
45:17that at one point
45:18he tried to negotiate the exit of mr
45:21taylor i'm sorry of president dough
45:24toss earlier
45:25and that mr taylor were providing the
45:27corridor
45:28but upon seizing the bhuja island you
45:30closed that corridor
45:32and in attempts to discuss the matter
45:34with you
45:36you appeared incoherent
45:38and and confused
45:40at what point in time
45:43did you encounter the emergency did you
45:45encounter
45:46the americans or american officials let
45:48me put it that way
45:49was it before that meeting with mr
45:52herman cohen or was was it i have been
45:55in contact before that time
45:57can you give us some details of that
45:58contact i think i did
46:01the americans have
46:04always contacted doing the crisis tiller
46:08afl and prince johnson
46:10now our evil motives were to control
46:13like i told you be in contact with me
46:16safe situation when i took my missile on
46:18druka palace to bomb the mansion i was
46:20told don't do that
46:22so the surveillance over there was said
46:24so that your contact at the time you
46:26were coming to monrovia or it was upon
46:29arrival all the americans in the bombers
46:31have used the radio company radio to let
46:34them know that i have broken away from
46:36castella and this is my name independent
46:38nice computer from prince jeremy johnson
46:40and i was coming to cease power and
46:42start internal government until i was
46:44coming to see the vote
46:46now mr taylor had on previous occasions
46:48i think uh
46:50if i recall correctly
46:52can we have a quiet up there please
46:56if i recall correctly
46:59mr taylor i think uh mr roy you at one
47:01point has said that the americans are
47:03airlifted to you
47:04and brought you into monrovia and
47:06providing you with arms and ammunition
47:09is there any truth to that assertion
47:11well when thought will you come to
47:12asking to confirm it
47:14from your side
47:16oh thank you
47:18that's why i said you asked for him too
47:21now you mentioned
47:24that you went into an agreement
47:27with president do
47:28yes sir and this agreement was
47:31clearly as you stated
47:34intended
47:35to provide
47:36an alliance to
47:38fight against echo mark because
47:40according to
47:41president do at the time he saw echo
47:43mode as a creation of the american cia
47:47yes sir
47:48now
47:50what was the motivating reason
47:54for you entering into the alliance
47:57with mr taylor with i'm sorry with mr do
48:01with whom you had declared from the
48:03onset
48:04you are going to unseat him was it
48:06because
48:08your military position was precarious at
48:10the time were you running shot of
48:12ammunition and thus forcing you to enter
48:14such an agreement with president duo
48:17to secure your own safety and perhaps
48:20maintain yourself for another day or was
48:22it for other reasons why i'm a national
48:25guarantee i don't know why would
48:26ammunition's belonging to my truth be
48:29getting shocked when i came from the
48:30border to morovia we have sufficient
48:32ammunition we have collected
48:35abundance of arms and ammunition from
48:37banger
48:38but as a one i entered truth withdrawal
48:40that was encouraged by
48:42doing himself
48:44being a countryman like myself
48:46he decided to enter into the truth and
48:48went through the diplomatic institution
48:49to make contact with me and i agree i
48:51saw the idea of a truth to be in place
48:54but as to whether that truth would be
48:56implemented or not or follow obey i
48:59don't know
49:00okay i will go back before that before
49:02that uh agreement
49:04what was your military situation at the
49:06time echo mark blended
49:08because according to all the reports
49:10and accounts
49:12that we have
49:13or let me say i have that the butcher
49:17island was on the verge of being overrun
49:19by uh nps forces and it was only the
49:22learning of ecomod
49:23that saved the day
49:26and that you were in a desperate
49:27situation
49:38yeah what was the reason that led you to
49:40that point was it desperation which
49:42point
49:43the point to go out to get echo more was
49:45it the fear of being overwhelmed
49:47i say no
49:49i have cooperated from initial stage
49:52where the equals
49:54peace in his future for liberia
49:56the aqua peace initiative required that
49:58the troops come to the valley fighting
50:00parties
50:01and somebody somewhere had to accept
50:03that i had to do that
50:05not that i was sort of ammunition but
50:08one the airways in the country i put
50:11together their children to come and tell
50:12laborers stop killing yourself because
50:14when barefoot was broken in nigeria
50:17thought more had to make peace so that
50:18was their way of making peace among us
50:21so i have to agree until i said no you
50:23wanted to dominate
50:25monetarily by seizing power by stopping
50:28us from
50:29making sure that echo was landed
50:32he did everything bypass our checkpoints
50:35and
50:36cross the river
50:37in the morning early morning and at that
50:39report
50:41but we were prepared to retaliate
50:44and so
50:45we have manpower we have the
50:48needed
50:49organic equipment to deal with the
50:52situation at that particular time and we
50:54did there were bombardments on our side
50:56where commanding jerry died
50:58in a process and lost men until not so
51:00many men especially those who were
51:02retreating running away crossing the
51:03river they died and when we took full
51:05control of the
51:07light being noted the eco mode troop did
51:09not come by helping us we took full
51:11control of the port
51:13four control we mentioned we pushed it
51:15all the way back behind us and we took
51:17the devil before
51:19a car today then i had to tell funny let
51:22us go on the rc and bring this to me
51:24because they were afraid i was receiving
51:26signal from other side because they were
51:28in contact with everybody institution
51:29and they were also in contact with me
51:31that people mattered institution was in
51:33contact with me they were going come on
51:36and i said we are in complete control
51:38report now let's see when i signaled
51:40them they were afraid so when we went
51:42for them
51:44they said that we had put
51:46entrapment in place to trap the troops
51:48and i said why you may be afraid of us
51:51we too have been afraid of you because
51:53if you capture fanny and myself right
51:55here we'll finish because the two of us
51:57are on the rc in your ship
51:59surrounded by a great generous
52:01but we are coming goofy because we are
52:02killing ourselves
52:04the aircraft's control standing for
52:05peace so they're in our area we were not
52:07afraid
52:09we had the equipment would you agree
52:11that at that particular time
52:13the government of president obama had
52:15lost the ability to effectively govern
52:19but of course though lost their ability
52:20to govern when he ministered everybody
52:22fled there was no government in place
52:24when the troopers ran away from the
52:25whole army in the iran duba and that
52:28monroeville was in a deadlock with
52:30opposing forces and civilians trapped in
52:33between those opposing forces
52:35would you agree that this was a
52:36situation at a time where there was
52:38state of anarchy so uh
52:41why what happened happy
52:43okay
52:44now against that backdrop that you
52:46welcome echo mark
52:48one hour in high school took the risk
52:50what is it then
52:52was your perception at the time you
52:54signed an agreement
52:56with somebody against whom he had been
52:58fighting to ask somebody who some
53:01institution or some group that come to
53:03your aid and try to stabilize the
53:05situation because as you said civilians
53:07are dying you tired
53:08fighting and you wanted some
53:10intervention then why is it do you
53:13agreement
53:15was not signed before the arrival
53:18[Music]
53:19i don't think of that i don't know
53:22after the arrival they were signed when
53:23they had arrived
53:25and that was signed they had to take it
53:26to them
53:28to send habit to them
53:30but then
53:31how can one explain
53:34that in the fight to push the npm out of
53:36monrovia
53:39your
53:40organization the impsvl
53:42ecomorph
53:43and afl
53:45collaborated in combined operations to
53:47push the npa out of monrovia with young
53:49men fighting side by side alongside
53:51their development with whom he has
53:52signed an agreement to our second walk
53:55well we had one common
53:58enemy we classified as such data
54:01the enemy to peace
54:03was then identified standard the afl and
54:06also
54:07afl was not though
54:09don't forget that
54:11afl was not though
54:13so asl started operating with us with
54:17ecumu
54:21when
54:22we saw the need to do so to push the lab
54:24back because i accept a piece
54:27but yet you know yet you make the
54:29argument
54:30that you make the argument that
54:32um
54:34an interim government has been agreed on
54:36in banjo
54:37when a second government was still
54:39sitting in monrovia given the
54:42giving given
54:46and lpp your people were present in the
54:50game
54:51lpp was fully present
54:54so was it are you telling me are you not
54:56aware
54:57as a bonafide executive or lpp that went
55:00to
55:01candidates from government are you not
55:02aware
55:19my mom declined for help people instead
55:20bonnie found a member the the
55:22impeachment was uh
55:24and their truth and reconciliation
55:25should be non-partisan the ipfl
55:28the imperial are you serving my rpp
55:31no sir when the eurozone upon my
55:34nomination to serve it was required that
55:36all those with affirmations the
55:37political parties otherwise resigned
55:39they said because now that you resigned
55:40and you are here that you're asking
55:42pretending
55:44but you were in the banjo
55:46you were there you signed the agreement
55:48i saw your people that's what i'm saying
55:49i signed the agreement i had no let's
55:51say
55:52i know what i'm saying
55:54in agreement i have no constitutional
55:56responsibility to obey the constitution
55:58but you the political parties will feel
56:00the free work of the constitution you
56:02should not have gone to gambia to form
56:04an illegal government but your
56:06representatives participated in the
56:07process i have no responsibility
56:09constitutionally because i was a rebel
56:10leader
56:12okay
56:36now
56:46show everybody please
57:04now uh
57:07coming back
57:07[Music]
57:10coming back to september
57:13information the government
57:15and
57:16which was done in august
57:18if i recall correctly
57:20on september 9th
57:21[Music]
57:23mr doe or president do went to the
57:25freeport
57:26[Music]
57:29and
57:30was captured by a man
57:32but i do recall
57:36that shortly afterwards
57:38there was a video tape
57:40of you at the as he regularly said you
57:42were at the island clinic
57:45when mr do was captured
57:48our
57:50former president was captured
57:52but you were seeing on a videotape
57:54calling
57:55sunshine sunshine
57:58who are you referring to our sunshine
57:59was it your man or who
58:01well
58:03anyone who happened to
58:06to think to make their own judgment
58:09like what was it americans i was just
58:11calling sunshine was it americans no i
58:13didn't say americans
58:15i said sunshine
58:16who were you referring to our sunshine
58:18the americans cannot be sunshine it
58:20could be anybody
58:25[Music]
58:31and many of them have different code
58:33names
58:34all right
58:36now
58:46in your
58:51you mentioned
58:55you mentioned that
58:57in your training camp in libya
59:01you
59:02thought your men
59:05the ucmj the uniform court the uniform
59:08code of military justice yes we did that
59:12and i suppose
59:13that the uniform the uniform code of
59:16military justice
59:18is based on universally
59:22the universal the uniform code of
59:24military justice is based on
59:27universally applicable
59:29standards of justice
59:31am i right or wrong that's correct
59:34so in your opinion and on reflection
59:37would you consider the tribunals the
59:39various tribunals that you refer to that
59:41sentence and execute people
59:44that those trabinos operate in
59:46conformity
59:47with standard
59:49rules
59:51and laws
59:52concerning the treatment of
59:54non-combatants and combatants
59:57and that they had access to fairly
1:00:02uh you say
1:00:04fairly equitable
1:00:06chances
1:00:09legal representation or representation
1:00:11adequate representation is not legal
1:00:14where though though we taught our men
1:00:17in tripoli
1:00:19the universal military justice was not
1:00:21followed
1:00:22because remember court or military
1:00:24justice
1:00:26that doctrine is taught
1:00:28is taught in
1:00:30conventional institutions
1:00:32and we were dealing with
1:00:33non-conventional
1:00:35matters
1:00:36and so that was not followed by
1:00:38by the mpv actually that's why i had to
1:00:40draw out another sop
1:00:42center operation proceeded to govern the
1:00:44to guardian
1:00:46in combat now were those sops uh in
1:00:49keeping in consonance with uh
1:00:52like i said standards of uh
1:01:00[Music]
1:01:02which normally in the country is a
1:01:04capital crime
1:01:05depending on the degree
1:01:08okay
1:01:08i can be first degree you know you know
1:01:10what it is
1:01:11so we have to put this down don't wreck
1:01:14people's children if you rape execution
1:01:17immediately so you better choose life by
1:01:20avoiding raping
1:01:21or choose the graves by ripping
1:01:24are you very loved
1:01:26then the gorilla movement we had to put
1:01:27the law in place if nothing would have
1:01:29gone off here
1:01:31now there are reports
1:01:33that late mr michael doe
1:01:36was shot to death on the fifth floor of
1:01:38the hotel africa
1:01:40in full view of an assembly of people
1:01:42and that you commanded him to stand up
1:01:46and he shouted is there any proof to
1:01:48that was he sitting down according to a
1:01:50report well according in the reports you
1:01:51said
1:01:52i could michael stand up let me kill you
1:01:56and he stood i gave you the fake views
1:01:59and you shot him in the head
1:02:01was not shot in the head
1:02:04marco was shot in the chest
1:02:06whatever the situation marco was killed
1:02:10by my
1:02:11troops
1:02:13upon misinformation
1:02:15given to us by his own deputy anna
1:02:18bradley i have explained it here
1:02:21questions have been posed of answer
1:02:23so at that time maybe you were not
1:02:25paying attention
1:02:27now moving forward
1:02:30the
1:02:31the death of a former president though
1:02:34you are shown on a video
1:02:37with president former president
1:02:39wounded sitting
1:02:41and the late the director of police
1:02:43johnny army interrogating him
1:02:45on reflection would you say that he was
1:02:47treated fairly in consonance with the
1:02:49ucmj or any other standards of uh
1:02:53national troops behavior ucmj is for
1:02:56conventional troops who are fought in
1:02:58guerilla war with guerrilla taxes so did
1:03:00that deny him and the ryan
1:03:03and tried in accordance with uh keeping
1:03:05with with uh with law let me tell you
1:03:07something one corner johnny was arrested
1:03:11on the ninth street
1:03:13when charles
1:03:15with a paper with a camera and pen
1:03:20and they paraded him on television here
1:03:22and they took him to the marshall ground
1:03:24and pushed him after shooting him
1:03:27when the government was asked they said
1:03:29that he brought his own gun and while
1:03:31they were trying to take the girlfriend
1:03:32he shot himself
1:03:33then you have you heard that before
1:03:35where that ah
1:03:37now
1:03:39why would you talk about treatment
1:03:42the treatment given to my people in the
1:03:44literature was that okay it was not when
1:03:46i i heard from the survivor that daw
1:03:49president don and chad were there with
1:03:51the truth they mastered my people in
1:03:53cold night
1:03:54and you are talking about good treatment
1:03:55for a moderate
1:04:07and you took our children from nimba and
1:04:09brought them in the truck and put them
1:04:11upside down
1:04:13and you are telling me diplomatic people
1:04:14should be accurate
1:04:16you see okay
1:04:17we we know that these unfortunately when
1:04:19you turn your deadline
1:04:21to nimble and bomb the place and bring
1:04:23out our villages and brought our mother
1:04:25before their husbands and they tell the
1:04:27children
1:04:28to
1:04:29to manchester with their own mothers
1:04:32is that diplomatic treatment
1:04:35i would say it was wrong
1:04:36but
1:04:37can that justify then the male treatment
1:04:40of mr do even though he had been accused
1:04:41of all of this well i'm just thinking
1:04:43you are more on defensive side although
1:04:45than the people that were killed in the
1:04:47lutheran church i think you are more
1:04:49concerned about dora than the three
1:04:51honored people that were brought i think
1:04:53you are more concerned about door than
1:04:55the seizure or nema country during which
1:04:57time our people lost their lives in cold
1:04:59blood
1:05:00i don't understand that
1:05:02well that's a perception wish me
1:05:03necessarily because that's the truth i'm
1:05:05saying
1:05:06because i listen to every commissioner
1:05:08and i answer them very well but you are
1:05:10specific
1:05:12you're very specific because
1:05:14the 300 children you have referenced
1:05:16though
1:05:19it still
1:05:21has not been established but i can
1:05:23recall i can tell you what honorable
1:05:25commissioner just a minute just a minute
1:05:27yes i can recall
1:05:29in april
1:05:31of 1990
1:05:33i
1:05:34was in april of 1990
1:05:38that story that story came about in 1990
1:05:40another story it's real i can see the
1:05:42mars bridge just a minute i know where
1:05:44that story came about in 1990 and in
1:05:471990
1:05:48as a member of the red cross and working
1:05:50with the red cross at the time
1:05:52i went along with others to nimba
1:05:56to ganta
1:05:57it was reported that the children were
1:05:59held in an orphanage at the ganta
1:06:02hospital
1:06:03we went there
1:06:04there were no children there
1:06:06so
1:06:08whether the children had been taken out
1:06:09earlier or not but it was based on a
1:06:12report that children were trapped
1:06:15in there and that's why we went there
1:06:17and there were no children there
1:06:19who had accounts that they were killed
1:06:20otherwise in there
1:06:22this is the information this is a real
1:06:24story and i'm i'm saying to you if you
1:06:28understand cannot remember when our
1:06:31children were paraded here in army
1:06:33trucks and put in the in the mass grave
1:06:37then i don't know how i can position
1:06:40myself to answer you but as i told you
1:06:57no
1:06:59this is so that's the story
1:07:01okay let's move on
1:07:03now
1:07:05on the
1:07:07arrangements
1:07:10that may have that may have led
1:07:12president doe to the freeport
1:07:15you see that this arrangement was done
1:07:16to an intermediary
1:07:19mr sally dick thompson
1:07:21what was the relationship between you
1:07:23and mr thompson nothing
1:07:26it was not anything to me was some of
1:07:28those spokesman
1:07:30and and even going to report
1:07:33if i had
1:07:34no
1:07:35i will advise against it because you and
1:07:38i have signed a truce in which we agreed
1:07:41to attack ecomo
1:07:43so what are you going to do to the beast
1:07:44but did you have any further subsequent
1:07:46dealings with uh mr thompson television
1:07:49i don't know he told me he sent
1:07:50something to let me know he was coming
1:07:52to see me and to visit a common base and
1:07:54something never came because thompson
1:07:56presumably had already arranged his own
1:07:58exit from a river to ecoma
1:08:00but in november
1:08:021990
1:08:04i was at your base
1:08:06you can recall that you're always coming
1:08:08there
1:08:10mr silly about 7 about 7 30 in the
1:08:13evening going to 8 o'clock
1:08:15our vehicle drove as i was leaving your
1:08:17base
1:08:19mr tom camare myself
1:08:21avigor drove on to your base
1:08:25and the door opened
1:08:27and i'll keep mr salim dick something in
1:08:29a you know in in a gun dressed in a long
1:08:31flowing rope
1:08:33along with general douglas arrow dressed
1:08:35in a long front rope
1:08:36what was the purpose of that meeting
1:08:38well disgust he came with donald error i
1:08:41don't know
1:08:42domino was probably coming to see me and
1:08:44he managed to bring solitude like i told
1:08:46you something i already arranged with
1:08:48echo mode to take him away and that that
1:08:50command i was talking about dumbledore
1:08:52it was done here in fact who talks and
1:08:54it comes into nigeria
1:09:01okay uh if we should move on
1:09:08now uh
1:09:13they
1:09:14one one of my uh
1:09:16colleagues mentioned
1:09:18and perhaps
1:09:20i will come back to that but before that
1:09:22mention about the change of the currency
1:09:24i'll come back with that but before that
1:09:27in 1990 there were some caucasians at
1:09:29your base
1:09:30white people
1:09:32and i remember seeing them at the time
1:09:33testing and firing weapons what were
1:09:35they doing there
1:09:36who were they which nationality did they
1:09:38belong i don't know why people might be
1:09:40firing weapons i don't know are you not
1:09:42convinced you are showing me photographs
1:09:45i don't know there was also some
1:09:47lebanese
1:09:49who were
1:09:50combatants in the imp as well can you
1:09:52explain the role how they got there
1:09:55i had no lebanese with me in my army
1:09:58i had special forces commandos
1:10:01trained in libya and burkina faso
1:10:04and they consisted of cruz grebel gilman
1:10:08basser pele and all conglomerational
1:10:10traps
1:10:11but the striker you mentioned the name
1:10:12striker he was he was one of those at
1:10:14your base striker struggle is lebanese
1:10:16born he's a monarch liberian and he was
1:10:19living there factory but he wasn't
1:10:21military he was working
1:10:23on your base along with several other
1:10:24lebanese military uniform commissioner
1:10:26this is a liberian
1:10:33it's a liberian
1:10:35okay we should move on
1:10:37the
1:10:37december
1:10:39attack on avl
1:10:41the december
1:10:43shootout in monrovia between the
1:10:44imperial and afl
1:10:49it can be recalled
1:10:52that
1:10:54during that period you usually came from
1:10:56your cover base
1:10:59and went to mama point
1:11:01by way of the old bridge through mama
1:11:03when i came to town that was your
1:11:05regular route
1:11:07[Music]
1:11:08and that route had not changed up to
1:11:11the point when the fighting broke out in
1:11:13monroeville and december between
1:11:15the imperial and the afl
1:11:18and i remember clearly
1:11:20on the day that the mps marched across
1:11:23the new bridge
1:11:25leading that attack was a jeep a
1:11:27tactical jeep
1:11:29with a 50 caliber mounted on top
1:11:32advancing across the bridge encountering
1:11:34no resistance at all
1:11:37something that i saw and witnessed
1:11:40what was the motivation then
1:11:43for that attack on the btc you see there
1:11:46were actually just a minute there were
1:11:47arguments that
1:11:48an ambush had been set for you by the
1:11:50nfl
1:11:52but i was wondering where was this
1:11:54ambrose set since
1:11:56your route to monrovia was through the
1:11:58old bridge and through mapping point
1:12:00and area there was nowhere remember
1:12:01point so where exactly was this ambush
1:12:03set and how often were you in the habit
1:12:07of passing to where this ambush had been
1:12:08said such that it was designed to entrap
1:12:10you you see
1:12:12you are biased you're not telling me
1:12:14there was no resistance
1:12:16you are biased because you will not tell
1:12:17the true story you're not putting the
1:12:19question correctly you are getting me
1:12:21questions you are saying there was no
1:12:22resistance at all if there were no
1:12:24resistance how come i met sustained
1:12:25injuries for which i said reinforcement
1:12:27that's something that i saw
1:12:29i saw you eventually bridge you know
1:12:31there was no lcp group left by sawyer
1:12:33who invited me and honored the attack on
1:12:35me to accuse me of of us or breaking a
1:12:37ceasefire that's why you are backing
1:12:40you crossed the bridge you're not asking
1:12:42definitely you are saying there were no
1:12:43resistance there was resistance but i'm
1:12:45not saying eyewitness is
1:13:00i tried to make my movement the way i
1:13:02wanted to for security are you
1:13:03monitoring me where i wish which i
1:13:04mentioned and now they're attacking on
1:13:06me
1:13:07and when i sent drunk i'm out to tell
1:13:08you that they were happening when i came
1:13:10back
1:13:12say that again please
1:13:13say that's why i saw trump camara and i
1:13:15asked him to tell you i said you're
1:13:16going to the duke to search our honor
1:13:18attack and i received injuries he saw
1:13:20the people that were there but he was
1:13:21telling the truth because that attack
1:13:23was was all about the lpp commander
1:13:27on whose command
1:13:29ecommerce was operating and you cannot
1:13:31sit here publicly and
1:13:33and and condemn fire narrator because
1:13:35these are the most important group i was
1:13:37with mr tom camera on that very day
1:13:39i'm saying
1:13:41across the bridge
1:13:42i was a fighter
1:13:44with some
1:13:47[Music]
1:13:49dynamite
1:13:50and you said
1:13:51that you have been threatened
1:13:53with attack
1:13:55and had you been attacked i was not
1:13:57driving up the bridges honorable i was
1:13:59not i could not build break break the
1:14:01bridge that i protected if i wanted to
1:14:04break the bridge i would have broke it
1:14:06with the bazookas i had with the
1:14:07equipment i had sufficient er er
1:14:10dynamites but would you teleport me to
1:14:12cross when
1:14:23you see i would never have been you
1:14:24never stumbled upon this with a dynamite
1:14:26song
1:14:41i don't know of any lebanese being
1:14:43recruited the german army
1:14:45these people are recruited were all
1:14:47liberians that are brought to join me
1:14:50but if you are withdrawn commander that
1:14:52day because sooner than i saw he started
1:14:54wounded with me they wouldn't
1:14:56want it
1:14:57and you can tell me that there were no
1:14:58resistance meaning nobody nobody
1:15:00resisted it there was no injury then you
1:15:02are biased but that was not the daily
1:15:04attack started that was the day you saw
1:15:06me i was on my way to the duke when they
1:15:08told me don't go because the army of afl
1:15:11is questioning there's something
1:15:12happening when i send the first part on
1:15:14the jeep you stay talking about i never
1:15:16heard the kochie
1:15:17i did not have the military territory i
1:15:20had trucks
1:15:22and i had this together
1:15:24uh corolla toyota
1:15:26um
1:15:28uh
1:15:29full runner i didn't have a metallic
1:15:31jeep
1:15:34you see
1:15:35i know we are doing something in some
1:15:37regard when i came i hate your men so
1:15:38you're very high
1:15:40i hate him
1:15:42so it breaks your heart you know
1:15:44you see
1:15:45so you see you see that
1:15:47so important
1:15:54okay
1:16:09all right
1:16:12if we should move on
1:16:19we talked about
1:16:23you talked about
1:16:28about turning over about eight eight
1:16:30eight point something million eight
1:16:33million dollars
1:16:35i remember at the time
1:16:38that you had the council of advices as
1:16:39you had said yeah
1:16:41which included a lot of prominent
1:16:43figures
1:16:44mr david winton mr charles breit mr
1:16:47jonathan mason
1:16:49professor of the late serenis iv
1:16:51uh
1:16:52dr peter niagara
1:16:54and and several others
1:16:57who constituted your council of advisors
1:17:02mr petra of course including mr petry
1:17:05now there were reports
1:17:08that
1:17:10money had been taken from the bank who
1:17:12took it
1:17:14that you are taking money from the bank
1:17:16can that be true
1:17:17is this true or not
1:17:18that cannot be true because i thought
1:17:20sorry there's a seven million dollar
1:17:22documents yes victim the governor that
1:17:24was there is the same governor and they
1:17:26opened the bank when he took full
1:17:28control of the navigation
1:17:43them nobody
1:17:47they took the money and used that money
1:17:49to print local money and then use the
1:17:51local money to suffer the rest of the
1:17:52money for the bank to buy a house in
1:17:54america where the money now they come
1:17:55back here now
1:17:58there are reports
1:17:59that because
1:18:01the currency was changed
1:18:03it left you with a very large amount of
1:18:05junior notes
1:18:07to the amount of several million i don't
1:18:09know and this was the main reason that
1:18:11drew your anger is this true it cannot
1:18:13be you see you know
1:18:15if i have so much money talking about
1:18:17with you until the line because our
1:18:18people were going by
1:18:19agricultural products and bring it yeah
1:18:21that was not the case they were just
1:18:23being cruel that you were premonitor
1:18:36then you can now come to monrovia and
1:18:38print money and tell the people say
1:18:40these are things
1:18:41that are money they should not they
1:18:42should not have so don't bring new money
1:18:44the new money you pay what was the
1:18:45resource you had about it
1:18:48you got it
1:18:50you wouldn't have a river here
1:18:52what was the resource that was there for
1:18:54seven million dollars
1:18:56from fondue and the morning that the the
1:18:59nigerian government gave on behalf of
1:19:01aircraft to the gambia bank for liberia
1:19:02over 30 million
1:19:04the guy got rid of this
1:19:17onto
1:19:23on to uh
1:19:25octopus
1:19:28now prior to
1:19:30october 15th i think
1:19:33if i remember correctly the date of the
1:19:35attack on monrovia
1:19:37but immediately prior to
1:19:40the octopus attack on monrovia
1:19:42there were reports that there were quite
1:19:44a large number of npfl
1:19:47soldiers as a matter of fact
1:19:49there was
1:19:50a witness who testified before this trc
1:19:54that he was among those
1:19:56mpfl soldiers who were on your base
1:20:02whom mr taylor had dispatched
1:20:05[Music]
1:20:06on the agreement
1:20:08that together
1:20:10monroeville would be attacked
1:20:13and then at some point
1:20:17you suddenly became
1:20:20aware that
1:20:21perhaps mr taylor had ulterior motives
1:20:24to take your prisoner
1:20:25and eliminate you
1:20:28and you took several of them
1:20:30and locked them in a container
1:20:32and i plan to eliminate them
1:20:35and it was because
1:20:37of the cries
1:20:39that mr
1:20:40cooper miller
1:20:42and
1:20:44one uh alice nail law
1:20:48commonly referred to as two for five
1:20:51revolt it against you
1:20:53and open a container and set them free
1:20:57what is the real
1:20:58story that isn't true
1:21:01the the true story here is that
1:21:07the
1:21:08octopus
1:21:09was planned by castilla
1:21:13and my men most of my men had to join
1:21:16their journey in the mpfl to launch
1:21:19attack on monroe was enacted by sawyers
1:21:21mal administration
1:21:23so what role did you play in this you
1:21:25first did you play a fight
1:21:26in a row i refuse and i order copa
1:21:28miller
1:21:30to
1:21:30tell this man i have come
1:21:32to stop the arms and let her take
1:21:35jogging let's do jogging
1:21:37every day dragging from my house to the
1:21:40to the iron gate and i left other behind
1:21:42the scenes all the iron put in my house
1:21:45so by the time they saw their job with
1:21:46me i came out there i was six from them
1:21:49there were those arms that i kept and i
1:21:51said they should find a way to go i
1:21:52don't want to see them
1:21:54and they left so the next attack that
1:21:56came
1:21:58i did not know some i did i knew my men
1:22:00were involved i don't know who were all
1:22:01involved
1:22:02so the next attack that came on and took
1:22:04the very arms for i took from the mpf
1:22:07soldiers to issue my men as i issued a
1:22:09goal and i issued a gun again so what
1:22:11caused the defection of your principal
1:22:13lieutenant summer vanity to the npfl
1:22:18samurai for all indications
1:22:21on one of the peace missions i crossed
1:22:24carpet earlier
1:22:25and i didn't know
1:22:28and
1:22:28copper miller
1:22:31was given to
1:22:33more drinks
1:22:34he would go to bangalore to represent me
1:22:37and he would be on the other side
1:22:38drinking and they were putting or he
1:22:39would not know what he discussing
1:22:41and
1:22:44so on the day of the octopus
1:22:46somebody went to his house knocked his
1:22:48house
1:22:49and said the general is waiting for you
1:22:51at a life force building
1:22:53and when he got there and they said he
1:22:55said where's the general that's been
1:22:56prince johnson
1:22:57and he said he's not here we're gonna
1:22:58call you to ask you to join us
1:23:01after all when we were prince johnson
1:23:03where were you
1:23:04did i lock you up in the burkina faso
1:23:07there and then you came to joy you
1:23:08become chief of staff over us we'll kill
1:23:10you if you refuse to join us
1:23:12so it was
1:23:14one fellow that sat coppertea in the
1:23:16head cover miller in the head and took
1:23:18his cap the two for fire you're talking
1:23:20about
1:23:21i plan to kill me along with the people
1:23:23he came to my house i was sitting right
1:23:25in front of my door
1:23:27sitting right there and she couldn't see
1:23:28me
1:23:29darkness covered me
1:23:31and she was saying to the 50 50-caliber
1:23:33man right ahead of me to gain weight so
1:23:35he could come and kill me i was sitting
1:23:36there right there
1:23:38so it was not because truly those people
1:23:41are disarmed when they refuse to go up
1:23:43ask them to stay in the
1:23:45there's a one big compound big company
1:23:47very big company said that she stood
1:23:49there at the old school
1:23:51and then i would like to know from
1:23:52taylor
1:23:55many things
1:23:56so my wish
1:23:57where
1:23:59if
1:24:00you want us to join to find a rover
1:24:02truly
1:24:04where does he expect me to put all the
1:24:06often children
1:24:08because i cannot have the orphan
1:24:09children here and entire economy here
1:24:13where does he expect me to put my own
1:24:15children
1:24:18there's probably a bombardment area
1:24:21and many of my soldiers are already
1:24:23being promoted after their training and
1:24:25different fields of
1:24:28qualifications
1:24:31taylor has his own government in bangkok
1:24:33he has his own generous colonels
1:24:35lieutenants if we want to go into his
1:24:38government to join what would be my role
1:24:41[Music]
1:24:43and what would be the role of my man
1:24:45and when the two forces joined to form a
1:24:47rovia who test
1:24:49total command of the troops
1:24:51he said i or who
1:24:53so gentlemen you are still here
1:24:56until i send letter to taylor to find
1:24:57out
1:24:59what he intends to do with the combined
1:25:01forces who takes control
1:25:04and while the man who told the letter
1:25:06was gone and these soldiers had disarmed
1:25:08intelligently were waiting in a school
1:25:10compound with different rooms so many
1:25:12rooms
1:25:13i sent for an army i mean ecomo
1:25:17to come and have all the day rest there
1:25:19and take the guns
1:25:21that command did not come because they
1:25:22had been receiving reports that they
1:25:24were put up on the bed to launch so
1:25:25anybody who said when i can't they were
1:25:27afraid of being captured
1:25:29they would tell me what they would tell
1:25:31me wait determine wait
1:25:33ross marty and cathy smart came to see
1:25:36me unicef
1:25:37and express concern about the children
1:25:40but they said they could not take the
1:25:41terrorist whereas okay god will protect
1:25:43them
1:25:44if i do cross and survive from here i'm
1:25:47going to make sure that i send the
1:25:48children all of them to you
1:25:51ecommerce never came because the
1:25:54bombardment at taylor was was was
1:25:56launched launching bombardment from
1:25:58mount bagley on eccomo and launching
1:26:00even missing ecommerce and duca and
1:26:01dropping the sea that the syria was
1:26:03telling eccomo the hour bombing
1:26:08he tried to get everyone to attack me to
1:26:10eliminate me
1:26:11as an eliminator connected
1:26:15that was sawyer instrumentality
1:26:19so
1:26:21the
1:26:22ecommerce look at their bodies listen to
1:26:25prince johnson doesn't have this kind of
1:26:26range of weapon
1:26:30because
1:26:32the thing was drumming
1:26:33so it must be higher
1:26:37and he told so you have to stop a victor
1:26:39maluto sawyer to stop announcing money
1:26:42on the radio you got my new one ready
1:26:48the launcher is from man bagley
1:26:50passing over and the people are missing
1:26:52target not pretty jersey
1:26:56so
1:26:58the only one my men
1:27:00many of them joined taylor to fight
1:27:03sarah by internal government because he
1:27:06expected the imperfect members
1:27:09okay
1:27:10and he wanted to to get him down
1:27:14i know where to play
1:27:16all the role i played was to defend
1:27:18myself
1:27:19that's why i had to go to ecommerce
1:27:20to show them that i will not be there no
1:27:22here am i even when i surround her to
1:27:24ecomo i surrounded for two reasons one i
1:27:27didn't want one anymore
1:27:29two
1:27:30here in my ecommerce with my family
1:27:33they say i'm not watching you or he said
1:27:35tell her according to the truth
1:27:38contrary to sorry pronouncement on radio
1:27:41so when i surrounded ecommerce the
1:27:42bombardment was still going on so that
1:27:44was he knew
1:27:45that one big politician here was not
1:27:47correct you're talking
1:27:49but uh just looking back you think uh
1:27:51your position will have been overrun
1:27:52have you not surrendered the economic
1:27:55well my position could have been
1:27:56overwhelmed but there's something that
1:27:57where the position of that were run one
1:27:59reason god two i had that recommend and
1:28:02three this men
1:28:03this man that left me and john tell that
1:28:05truly they didn't want to fight me they
1:28:07sorry for me
1:28:08because i trained them over the years
1:28:11and i've been good to them their
1:28:13concerns were man concerned
1:28:15i don't nothing wrong for widows to not
1:28:17fight me because of the new alliance
1:28:19with ella
1:28:20if they wanted to run that bill they
1:28:22were overrun
1:28:23and they tell us men could not were
1:28:24around the baby because they are all
1:28:26indigenes that are treating libya and
1:28:27booking a facial
1:28:29so and there will represent two groups
1:28:30of people arms representing the
1:28:32intelligence and third representative
1:28:34american liberian
1:28:35they are killed all their country people
1:28:37in the interior
1:28:47but they didn't want to kill me because
1:28:49they had lost two minutes they are
1:28:50wasted too many of their own people
1:28:51blood
1:28:54so some americans told me said paper
1:28:55leave the base we don't want it for you
1:28:58leave we hear blackberry coming we heard
1:29:00afl coming and when the fighters start
1:29:03we don't know who will kill you papi
1:29:04please leave the children
1:29:06so they open the corridor
1:29:08so all the weapons i had the ammunition
1:29:10it was useless shooting did they shoot
1:29:12me i didn't shoot them because i'm a
1:29:13typical countryman
1:29:15and do you want to kill me for
1:29:17character issue
1:29:20okay that was why thank you
1:29:22um what would you say were the
1:29:24circumstances surrounding the death of
1:29:26former maritime commissioner phil born
1:29:29i don't know fred brown i don't know why
1:29:31did he die
1:29:36well the information that i have is that
1:29:38uh he was arrested by a man
1:29:42and was thinking to your base and was
1:29:43killed not people that were arrested
1:29:45were all killed no nobody arrested
1:29:47somebody let me tell you many things
1:29:49were happening when we read moreover
1:29:50that
1:29:55[Music]
1:29:57i was patrolling the base
1:29:59when i looked in the pressing in the
1:30:01empty quarter i saw a man they were
1:30:03wiped here right in the corner they are
1:30:05taking around your clothes
1:30:07i didn't know i didn't order such a rest
1:30:10and i said but i know that man
1:30:12from cwa they may use to play basketball
1:30:15i remember me
1:30:16i said come here he came i
1:30:25we were not interested in gender racing
1:30:27people and killing people look at the
1:30:29number of people you call and say and
1:30:31many others those government officials
1:30:33around me
1:30:36i would have opened that bank because i
1:30:38had a key
1:30:39i was taking all the millions somewhere
1:30:41and killed victor
1:30:43they think
1:30:44i came
1:30:45and can't remember
1:30:52[Music]
1:31:00no goodie
1:31:03but i kept the money for elaborate
1:31:04people
1:31:05[Music]
1:31:06so i took william russell from the jail
1:31:10he had been there two weeks and they
1:31:11were okay nothing like
1:31:14go for an order for me
1:31:17i brought into my house i told my wife
1:31:20mrs johnson to make water for him to buy
1:31:24he bought in my bathroom i said yes now
1:31:26close up my personal clothes go that
1:31:27technology underwear he about his body
1:31:30and i sent him on his way home
1:31:33william wrestled yesterday
1:31:36i was attending the story earlier
1:31:38when they were in jail
1:31:40i don't even know
1:31:42how
1:31:55everybody
1:32:00then i want to speak to the rebel leader
1:32:03to say thank you
1:32:06me they say you kill people but if it's
1:32:08okay they come back then they can't be
1:32:10clear
1:32:11so i came to pay my career circle he
1:32:13said
1:32:15general he said you don't know me bro i
1:32:17know you you set me free from pressing
1:32:19infinite
1:32:21he began to share tears
1:32:25i understand madringos i didn't know
1:32:27that i was uh
1:32:29the material corner
1:32:31so for people to come and fabricate
1:32:37to say okay this
1:32:42this cannot be true so how would you uh
1:32:44describe
1:32:46the human rights record of the imp evil
1:32:48including yourself as its leader the
1:32:50human rights record was not very perfect
1:32:54like in the case i joined national but
1:32:55though it was a mistake
1:32:59but i improved that did well
1:33:02i am people with fighting force
1:33:04i impeach them with the food
1:33:05distributors i will not
1:33:12we supply clinics with medical
1:33:15pharmaceutical drugs
1:33:18we are expensive drugs
1:33:21and nobody can ask me where i got those
1:33:22drugs from to save lives but you can
1:33:25only call me a looter you know what i
1:33:27knew what lucky is
1:33:29don't you take food from a particular
1:33:31place and feel the problem is that luty
1:33:34[Music]
1:33:41librarians became part and parcel of it
1:33:43at least we failed lives
1:33:45we did our best
1:33:47we may have fallen short along the way
1:33:50to revolutionize our country
1:33:53maybe all our men suspicious intense
1:33:55come back within our time to investigate
1:33:57or i may have lost our lives
1:33:59to those people who say make us so
1:34:00recipes and servants of the family
1:34:03so uh would you accept responsibility
1:34:05for the extrajudicial actions of your
1:34:07men why extract judaism
1:34:10whether or not you will charge ecommerce
1:34:12for dropping cluster bombing for people
1:34:13or jubilee that is recaptured by the
1:34:17carry the whole family will you charge
1:34:19them for extra did you kill it
1:34:20well you understand i'm asking about it
1:34:24i don't know
1:34:25graduate the professor
1:34:27a truth and reconciliation commissioner
1:34:29well if that is that situation should
1:34:31arise then we can address that but
1:34:33currently
1:34:34we can address that also
1:34:36so uh
1:34:38again
1:34:39so that means that you would or would
1:34:41not accept responsibility for the
1:34:42actions of your men why
1:34:44not
1:34:46extra judicial action these men were put
1:34:48in combat in defense of the country in
1:34:50the country
1:34:53against a regime that killed their
1:34:54people
1:34:57and i'll tell you something
1:34:58when i first came to liberia i stood up
1:35:01there apart from taking learn model and
1:35:03lpc all those groups
1:35:05i said sorry to the door family
1:35:08i said sorry to the crown people
1:35:10have you ever heard with your ears that
1:35:12they ever said story to them at work
1:35:15no
1:35:17there's a reconciliation one with
1:35:18traffic no
1:35:23am i i want to say sorry no
1:35:27my question tells me to do so for a good
1:35:29or tomorrow
1:35:30by those people i'm sorry talking now
1:35:33sorry why do we draw the line
1:35:39so uh are you prepared to reconcile
1:35:42with them we reconcile in the church of
1:35:44god
1:35:46out of liberia
1:35:48but a relative came out and said that
1:35:49yeah
1:35:50not related to the wife or don't come
1:35:52and say not true that remember so
1:35:54powerful you manipulate how can you
1:35:55manipulate
1:35:56how can you
1:35:58but where do i stand now i care less if
1:36:00you do accept reconciliation
1:36:02i represent nimble a virgin library
1:36:04senator
1:36:05i fought in defense among people that
1:36:07were that were on a siege that was
1:36:09slaughtered the goats
1:36:11if i said sorry to you
1:36:13you look sorry to us then where do we go
1:36:17so i'm i'm a coward now i feel dead
1:36:22you're sorry for what
1:36:26my last question
1:36:27[Music]
1:36:31has there ever been a time in your life
1:36:33when you
1:36:34have been ill
1:36:36and suffered
1:36:37and i'll be taking up country for
1:36:39treatment
1:36:40[Music]
1:36:41i wonder if you are a supernatural being
1:36:45you never get sick
1:36:46[Music]
1:36:48i wonder if you are one i mean mental
1:36:50illness human being will never see
1:36:52sickness have you ever before suffered
1:36:54mental illness in any way
1:36:57i think it's an insult to me
1:37:00i think you are going to that stream
1:37:02no
1:37:03a mentally ill person cannot be a senior
1:37:06in this country
1:37:07i never been sick
1:37:09and never been sick there is no record
1:37:12in your medical book in this country or
1:37:13anywhere that was taken up for
1:37:15psychiatric treatment
1:37:17thank you very much god bless you
1:37:35testing testing one two three
1:37:38testing testing one two
1:37:44no it's okay
1:37:49is
1:38:17ladies and gentlemen
1:38:24ladies and gentlemen please
1:38:44can we be quiet please
1:39:10what can you put
1:39:14thank you
1:39:17honorable witness
1:39:19we express our deepest gratitude at
1:39:22least i do
1:39:24that you have seen fit to join us today
1:39:28for you stand in a position representing
1:39:31the people of this country
1:39:33and your love for this nation has
1:39:36allowed you to come forth and honestly
1:39:38share with us this commission
1:39:41what happened during this investigative
1:39:43period
1:39:44and we will always remember this
1:39:47thank you
1:39:48particularly
1:39:50i see you in a dual position and
1:39:52therefore i would if you don't mind i
1:39:54would like to start my presentation by
1:39:56referring to a biblical quotation
1:39:59since you have moved from a position
1:40:02of someone who revolutionized the past
1:40:05of our country and now stand as a
1:40:07religious leader
1:40:11in the book of matthews there's a story
1:40:13there
1:40:14in 11th
1:40:16chapter 11 section 11 12 it says verily
1:40:19i say unto you amongst them that are
1:40:21born of women
1:40:22there has not risen greater than john
1:40:25the baptist notwithstanding he that is
1:40:28least in the kingdom of heaven is
1:40:30greater than he
1:40:31and from the day of john the baptist
1:40:33until now the kingdom of heaven suffers
1:40:36violence
1:40:37and the violent take it by force
1:40:41later on the lord went on to explain
1:40:43what he meant by
1:40:45least in the kingdom of heaven when he
1:40:47said in the book of matthew 5 19
1:40:49whosoever therefore shall break one of
1:40:51these least of my commandments and shall
1:40:54teach men to do so he shall be called
1:40:57the least in the kingdom of heaven
1:40:59so when you put these two chapters
1:41:01together you can see that history shows
1:41:03a man who came to this world to build a
1:41:06good nation for god he was misunderstood
1:41:09and betrayed by those who he loved and
1:41:11respected and so he left a prophecy
1:41:14behind
1:41:15saying that from now on people who want
1:41:17to establish goodness and god's kingdom
1:41:20will have to come forth with violence to
1:41:23do so
1:41:24and we see our nation's history falls in
1:41:26that we call ourselves a nation that's
1:41:28supposed to have been built on christian
1:41:30principles but yet we were not able to
1:41:32implement those principles with fair
1:41:34justice for all so at the end men and
1:41:37women of violence had to come to strive
1:41:39to rebuild this country by force
1:41:43so with that introduction my first
1:41:45question then to you will be
1:41:48you once said that the cause of the
1:41:50liberian war was bad governance
1:41:53you also said do
1:41:55who you captured and later we hear was
1:41:58killed
1:41:59was corrupted by the same political
1:42:01power to perpetuate the same bad
1:42:03governance that he had killed talbot and
1:42:06other turi party members for earlier
1:42:09today many of you meaning those who have
1:42:12this revolutionary heart for change
1:42:15are put into position as our current
1:42:17leaders and have pleaded with the
1:42:19liberian people to trust you and give
1:42:21you political power again since election
1:42:24205
1:42:25but we continue to read the newspapers
1:42:27every day and see the same trail of bad
1:42:30governance
1:42:31what are we to assume from all of this
1:42:33in light of your theory that the gun
1:42:35that liberates should not rule
1:42:38have you changed your theory
1:42:40should the gun that liberated be allowed
1:42:42to rule so as to protect those liberated
1:42:46please tell us why you have changed your
1:42:48philosophy
1:42:49and how will this change really seek to
1:42:52bring peace to us
1:42:54please i don't say anything to
1:42:56personally attack anyone so i hope you
1:42:58can understand my heart and just to
1:42:59understand things you're only reverent
1:43:02as my philosopher changed
1:43:05the gums that liberate should not rule i
1:43:08wonder if you know the true meaning of
1:43:09it
1:43:10but could you help me educate no no i
1:43:12want to know from you because you said
1:43:13it has changed and he began to say
1:43:15sustained by governance what what what
1:43:18have you seen in it that has changed
1:43:20what what what activities have you seen
1:43:22on our part that that
1:43:24show
1:43:25that uh
1:43:27things are not right okay then what i'll
1:43:29do to answer that let me give you my
1:43:31next two questions and then you can put
1:43:32it all together to answer because my
1:43:34next two questions entails that i would
1:43:36like to declare on that yeah that's what
1:43:37i wanted the guns that liberation should
1:43:40not rule okay i was talking in terms of
1:43:43military rule
1:43:44taking guns and killing the president
1:43:47and taking over power by force or arms i
1:43:49was not talking about when they saw
1:43:51their disarm and go for election and is
1:43:53elected as a senator or president i see
1:43:56okay
1:43:58to confront yeah i understand what
1:44:00you're saying now your clarity
1:44:03okay so then my next question would be
1:44:07do you believe that the revolution by
1:44:10arms
1:44:11against bad governors has or can achieve
1:44:15its objective in this case i would like
1:44:17a simple answer because the third
1:44:18question is more deeper yes or no
1:44:20meaning do you think it's possible or
1:44:22can they do it
1:44:23let me let me answer you about seeing
1:44:25this
1:44:26there were times in this country
1:44:29pastors and reverends were flocked
1:44:33there were time in this country
1:44:36by the regime though
1:44:39my understanding is that
1:44:41mother duke was also flock yes
1:44:46there was no peaceful
1:44:48means by which such
1:44:50diabolical detector system could be
1:44:52changed
1:44:55[Music]
1:44:56a parent
1:44:58is not removed from power
1:45:00by male political activities peace was
1:45:06for a real dictator or tarrant to be
1:45:08removed
1:45:10you must speak the language he believes
1:45:14and that's what gave rise to the peak of
1:45:16arms as the last result
1:45:20but other than that the citizens are the
1:45:23right constitutionally to demonstrate
1:45:26the demonstration of seriousness against
1:45:27the regime may not serve about you are
1:45:29doing and that is enough for you to
1:45:31change your your style of leadership
1:45:34but if you continue to abide by the same
1:45:36old way
1:45:37that you have
1:45:38suppression repression
1:45:41and and what have you
1:45:43er depriving other people
1:45:45of their
1:45:47entirements
1:45:49of incentives of life
1:45:53they will have no child because when
1:45:54they demonstrate peacefully you tell
1:45:56jesus ministry you your police flock
1:45:58then put it in this person they put tear
1:46:00gas and tear gas people then you get our
1:46:03complaint now
1:46:05as many times they try that they crush
1:46:07it
1:46:07when a people cannot express their
1:46:10democratic
1:46:11true peaceful demonstration why you
1:46:13gotta go to police to go get permission
1:46:15from the same government who don't want
1:46:16to demonstrate
1:46:19when every peaceful means for change
1:46:22is applied
1:46:27and it's impossible
1:46:30that you make
1:46:31peaceful change impossible
1:46:34you invite
1:46:37men of violence violence okay thank you
1:46:41okay next question is um we have all
1:46:44learned now that a revolutionary change
1:46:47of government by guns does not guarantee
1:46:50good governance
1:46:52it only leads to a change of leadership
1:46:55without the rise of goodness that's
1:46:57correct so it appears that where a
1:47:00nation lacks righteous leaders
1:47:02who have the true heart of god meaning
1:47:04willing to die for the sake of others
1:47:06defense instead of killing others in
1:47:08defense of themselves
1:47:10such a nation
1:47:11will experience revolutionary change of
1:47:14leadership with perpetual bad governance
1:47:17like the domino effect
1:47:19as one righteous unrighteous group of
1:47:22leaders fight against another
1:47:24unrighteous group of leaders
1:47:26we saw this happening in liberia and the
1:47:28region from 1970 to 2003 for example
1:47:33every 10 years from 1970 we saw tugman
1:47:36die strangely in a hospital when
1:47:37somebody may have pulled a plug on his
1:47:39cable
1:47:401980 we saw torbert killed
1:47:43by doe 1990 we saw door killed by your
1:47:47honorable self
1:47:48and 2000 we saw an attempt on taylor but
1:47:51dougaly had to say this place and then
1:47:53taylor had to go face the court
1:47:55so how
1:47:57can we prevent 2010
1:48:00from repeating the same sad history in
1:48:03your opinion
1:48:05you see
1:48:07when a a a richest man a godly man
1:48:11it's only true
1:48:14[Music]
1:48:15that would be the only way you enjoy
1:48:17peace okay thank you
1:48:20but when you have people in this country
1:48:21for example let me tell you reverend
1:48:24and you're sitting here i don't i don't
1:48:25know whether you're advising people
1:48:28when dr joe became president his name
1:48:30was turned on
1:48:33when he became person
1:48:35he chose an ethanol
1:48:38what is the meaning
1:48:41i would like to know that
1:48:43when joe left
1:48:44the office
1:48:46and taylor came
1:48:49he adopted a name dark manner
1:48:55why is he meaning
1:48:56something he forgot god going to show
1:48:58bush
1:48:59they get initiated
1:49:04when our mother was elected she was
1:49:06never
1:49:07given the name she has now
1:49:09almost said
1:49:12her name is
1:49:22where have they left god i was in the
1:49:24middle of this church during the
1:49:26intercessory program just before the
1:49:28inauguration
1:49:30and a group of bishops came from america
1:49:33and gave
1:49:34our mother a golden bible
1:49:37to take the word of god as a light onto
1:49:39our feet in the moment to apply it
1:49:41after the bow was given and she had said
1:49:43that in good faith these people came and
1:49:45gave up this whole quest
1:49:47[Music]
1:49:49and then the traditional rulers now so
1:49:51people
1:49:53where are we living god
1:49:58this is our problem
1:50:00when you carry a hell of a massage
1:50:04do you all kind of think
1:50:07do i have to be there to let no
1:50:10[Music]
1:50:14think about it
1:50:15thank you very much
1:50:17next
1:50:18tell us
1:50:20now i will ask you some basic questions
1:50:21for history
1:50:22tell us uh why
1:50:24did you break away
1:50:26from no sorry not why when because you
1:50:28already did give us an idea why but i
1:50:31would like to know the exact date when
1:50:32you broke away from
1:50:34npfl my memory may not be so well known
1:50:37and not gonna forget you said it was
1:50:39something it was somewhere complete this
1:50:42summer the ninth january february march
1:50:46okay i broke away match what year was
1:50:48that place i played 1990 1990 yeah march
1:50:52thank you
1:50:54and one two three four march april may
1:50:57june july four months of monrovia okay i
1:51:00work
1:51:00[Music]
1:51:01thank you very much also
1:51:04please shed some light on the founding
1:51:06of the mpfl who would you say are the
1:51:09five core founders of this national
1:51:12patriotic group and then who funded the
1:51:15mpfl
1:51:16what was its major mission and its goal
1:51:21for the mpf on our
1:51:24power were founded by
1:51:26harry grieves james water
1:51:29philip
1:51:30ralph phillips
1:51:32and many others
1:51:34i
1:51:35do not know of madame sally being
1:51:37involved but i've been told many times
1:51:41tell her taylor's wife that she was
1:51:44involved in contacting her to let it to
1:51:46let go but i'm not sure that story
1:51:48but these are the people but the man
1:51:50said the emperor and taylor were
1:51:52financed by those various countries you
1:51:54may have heard about i don't need to
1:51:55over emphasize you know them all right
1:51:58and do we know what their main mission
1:52:00was their main mission just to get rid
1:52:01of dough or was there me mission
1:52:03something more you can't get rid of that
1:52:05organic power
1:52:06power so you cannot get though out
1:52:08okay i i broke away to fight taylor and
1:52:10get down to install to restore democracy
1:52:13through an interim arrangement i see
1:52:16okay
1:52:18next we understand your motivation for
1:52:21overthrowing those government that
1:52:23you've explained but in light of history
1:52:26do you believe that the pal
1:52:28was justified in staging a revolution
1:52:31against the talbot-led turret party
1:52:33government considering that it was that
1:52:36event that led you and other males
1:52:38we may not accept the fact
1:52:40but the
1:52:41indigenous people that make up the
1:52:44larger population in this country who
1:52:46are tired with one party system okay
1:52:49and they need not to change it all right
1:52:51so you thought it was justifiable then
1:52:53for doors
1:52:54why would the minority people want to
1:52:56rule the majority for so many years okay
1:52:58you can step out with them
1:53:00during that time i heard you a million
1:53:02you were in the military were you not no
1:53:03i was not okay sorry
1:53:05why are you
1:53:06okay so you joined later 85. john 1974
1:53:11yeah oh but if you are in 74 i mean 1980
1:53:14you were in it
1:53:16yeah that's why so what i wanted to know
1:53:18is was that revolution abroad based
1:53:20military supported revolution or was it
1:53:22just a few people doing their own thing
1:53:24like well what you see the whole plan
1:53:27was to
1:53:28get though out and bring all liberians
1:53:31that were delivering those governments
1:53:33they weren't for talbot itself
1:53:35they won that duel led due and his group
1:53:37led was that a broad base
1:53:40i will pray that you invite a
1:53:44prc member
1:53:46alberto
1:53:48talbot they will explain whatever for
1:53:49broadband i don't know
1:53:51okay let me ask you another question i
1:53:53thought you brought that up there was a
1:53:54constitutional clause that was put in by
1:53:57the legislature at that time that said
1:53:59nobody should even inquire into the
1:54:02issues of that coup now in light of
1:54:06trc's present mandate and you being a
1:54:08member of the senate
1:54:10how do you think we should go about
1:54:11something like that is it possible to
1:54:13bring such a person i'm not familiar
1:54:14with our clause in the constitution but
1:54:16we're still researching the constitution
1:54:18we said something to see what will come
1:54:20across and what is is it's important to
1:54:22change them we're still looking into it
1:54:24okay
1:54:25all right um going along
1:54:30during the period of 1991 to 1997.
1:54:34can you tell us i mean you've already
1:54:36given us a lot of information but i just
1:54:37want a quick overview when did you sort
1:54:40of get out of the system and what time
1:54:42did you leave the country okay
1:54:44i'm your people i got out in 1992
1:54:48are you
1:54:50did you disarm your men before you left
1:54:52or did they just filter into the new mps
1:54:55turn over to eccomo the peacekeepers all
1:54:58my world implements
1:55:02and they took receipt of them all
1:55:06and i left the men the the disarmed men
1:55:08in the king of eccomo and they were
1:55:10rehabilitated and reintegrated
1:55:12wow so you left all the armed men with
1:55:14your weapons everything in eckemore's
1:55:16hand 1992. yeah before octopus or after
1:55:19after octopus
1:55:29uh next
1:55:31were you a supporter in any way of the
1:55:33incursion by lord or model during the
1:55:351997. i just told you i don't come i
1:55:38won't be here
1:55:40there was a system on the ground
1:55:42guns were everywhere
1:55:44intimidating people anyone who mentioned
1:55:47my name you do very intelligent you are
1:55:49dead
1:55:50so god used life to come here to bring
1:55:53us back home
1:55:54how did allah hadn't come you get
1:55:56democracy
1:55:58he will not get democracy
1:56:00you will not let it be fair
1:56:02okay i said there's a nimble among the
1:56:04taylor people planned to there now we
1:56:06are defeated no more anymore the baniers
1:56:08and embankments working
1:56:11in the democratic dispensation fully
1:56:13committed to the peace process
1:56:14supporting our mother
1:56:17nobody about taylor again neighbor
1:56:19everybody is interested in moving his
1:56:21life from left forward
1:56:24so you believe that the election of 1997
1:56:26was really a big mistake for this
1:56:28country
1:56:30that election was starting that echo was
1:56:32pushed on liberia and imposed stella
1:56:35because the echo ekuma was terror
1:56:36fighting they didn't know about jungle
1:56:38warfare they were being killed and
1:56:40taylor has sent a battalion plus in
1:56:42civilian to wait there so if anyone will
1:56:44come out to create hover
1:56:50so they they just gave it to him
1:56:53with a hope that he would change you
1:56:54know sometimes positions can harm more
1:56:56people and make it a change
1:56:59like our mother now our mother used to
1:57:00be thought when she was fighting
1:57:01dictator
1:57:02my grandma is very quiet
1:57:05cool
1:57:08you see
1:57:11thank you
1:57:13okay um
1:57:14next
1:57:15another sensitive question but i know
1:57:17you were answered properly uh why was it
1:57:20necessary in your opinion
1:57:22to
1:57:23excuse the words but brutally murder the
1:57:26late president sk do instead of just
1:57:29capturing him and turning him over to
1:57:31the hate like they did with taylor let
1:57:33me finish please
1:57:34giving away giving way for the so-called
1:57:37interim government which was already
1:57:39established and waiting to come in to
1:57:41take control
1:57:42are we to believe that you were an
1:57:44innocent accidental tool of faith or
1:57:47could there have been another plan to
1:57:49remove dough had you not acted the way
1:57:52you did please help us to understand
1:57:55reverend
1:57:56you sat there and you heard me over the
1:57:58past
1:58:00five to six hours now
1:58:03though regime did not favor my people
1:58:06okay that's what i want to verify he
1:58:08killed them like chickens we had no
1:58:10protection under the law
1:58:13our people were being haunted at night
1:58:16senator regime gave the people never
1:58:18asleep last night
1:58:20he drove off from the capital nowhere to
1:58:22go
1:58:23he pursued us in nimba
1:58:25and did to us what they did
1:58:28we shall now become history
1:58:30thank you calculating all of that
1:58:35here's a massacre of one tribe
1:58:38and having this message before me
1:58:42what do you expect a man
1:58:45reflecting my mind on the atrocities
1:58:47committed by his regime himself against
1:58:50our people
1:58:51he should not have done that because
1:58:53many children that's another born he
1:58:55brought him and neiman with me
1:58:59we call each other
1:59:08you should have a limit
1:59:09don't go to nimba and kill people
1:59:12when you lie always say okay i said
1:59:14right now
1:59:25that's why i was thinking where was
1:59:26honourable still was when those great
1:59:28men and women were trapped by they cut a
1:59:30kangaroo tribunal and executed here i
1:59:33wonder why they're going to imagine
1:59:34asking why he did that
1:59:38and
1:59:40what would you expect
1:59:41i understand when my people begin to cry
1:59:47i should
1:59:48get diplomatic treatment
1:59:51i will pursue legality
1:59:56i'm a little room for human rapper to
1:59:57cut in and start another issue that i
2:00:00would like to sit down
2:00:04when rubber country where i steal your
2:00:06team when you graduate the human races
2:00:08you see
2:00:10so we were
2:00:15so let all of us in liberia
2:00:18remember that deaths occur on all sides
2:00:22everybody did something somewhere
2:00:26no politician in this country
2:00:29nobody in this country who is in power
2:00:32or out of power or before there now will
2:00:35tell me they were never involved in any
2:00:37crisis all of them
2:00:41businesses are always involved
2:00:44they found government answer
2:00:46i remember when lord king i am too
2:00:48concrete by somebody very substantial
2:00:51that our father marco had to go to the
2:00:54cold war to pray for the lord and get
2:00:56him virtually stay as his son
2:00:59to continue
2:01:02he want to pour our bridge and pray for
2:01:04the people to come and shoot bazooka it
2:01:06is sugar that brought victory because
2:01:08the bishop pray
2:01:13thank you
2:01:14thank you very much i understand you
2:01:16were sort of overwhelmed by the love for
2:01:18your people similar to moses i guess
2:01:20when he killed the egyptian lord from
2:01:22nimbanian's love for liberia because
2:01:24there was not only the throne in the
2:01:26flesh of nimbanus he was also
2:01:29they thrown in the flesh of liberians
2:01:31the the family that were butchered on
2:01:33aurora were they neymar people
2:01:36in that family
2:01:37no
2:01:39somebody broadcasted were they
2:01:41interested in ruining the whole family
2:01:43what the hell from the earth
2:01:45is that good
2:01:47and they're living here
2:01:49you see the just the other day tries to
2:01:51look into my office
2:01:53he sat there before me
2:01:58he i said he went earlier to ask him for
2:02:00help when he was in jail
2:02:03though i didn't get diet
2:02:05i would have done it i didn't have money
2:02:08of course not to give money to a man
2:02:10wherever in four days or that he had to
2:02:12be proven before i don't want to get
2:02:14trouble he came to me
2:02:16they a man who killed you killer okay my
2:02:19uncle my mother brother
2:02:23who were never involved in my raid
2:02:28took them to sacramento valley and
2:02:30drummed them in the beauty valley
2:02:33and render and fight a children
2:02:35fatherless
2:02:36the wife no husband
2:02:39they can pass through nimba quietly
2:02:41nobody
2:02:43they pass through total and they know
2:02:46that that originally came nothing to
2:02:48harry johnson they passed through total
2:02:50and no crime people would come and say
2:02:52you killed our son don't pass here they
2:02:54don't say that
2:02:56they told family nursing to family have
2:02:58forgotten
2:02:59the people listening to are forgotten
2:03:01why can't we forget
2:03:03what happened to do
2:03:06i saw the video last night before coming
2:03:07here when they pushed a tugboat in your
2:03:10pajamas
2:03:13and left in a pool of blood
2:03:15blood draining out of his own body
2:03:23[Music]
2:03:25he didn't testify
2:03:33[Music]
2:03:35and cut him to pieces
2:03:37you are talking about score
2:03:39that's called you see what not was gone
2:03:42there were a score problem of one victim
2:03:44that he put just on coward base there
2:03:46was one day everybody found worthy
2:03:52and some people should learn to forget
2:03:54this
2:03:56i thought i said young boy look
2:03:58you are protein
2:04:00god put you here and brought me i seen
2:04:02you saying that you said that they will
2:04:03vote for you to be protein i voted for
2:04:06you against what i see
2:04:08so that you and i the both people in
2:04:10government can help unite the two tribes
2:04:13[Music]
2:04:14let's bring peace
2:04:20i gave him the last vote
2:04:23sorry time to he became protest against
2:04:26him against watashi
2:04:28expecting to do more
2:04:32and i was advised by my police
2:04:35to vie for a leadership
2:04:37committee
2:04:38in a senior to be a chairman
2:04:40and i said no i will leave my faith
2:04:43with younimbo
2:04:48so they said but you are a secure man
2:04:50and your number makes you chairman
2:04:52senate committee on national security a
2:04:54few months when empire will remove you
2:04:55when you get started i said that's what
2:04:57i want to see
2:05:00and truly enough
2:05:01he brought a ground to that wall and
2:05:03neymar went back into the senate when he
2:05:06got stabilized he removed me from the
2:05:08chairmanship
2:05:10i referred to jacksonville prince the
2:05:12door i referred to the superintendent of
2:05:14granting a country i refer to many
2:05:16people
2:05:17and they failed to prevail on him every
2:05:19day the animal refused to succumb to the
2:05:22advice
2:05:24he took four committees and gave it to
2:05:26laharlasana from bombing
2:05:28and mary
2:05:30honor
2:05:31when i went to london of he became the
2:05:33cool against animal
2:05:35to remove him
2:05:37and the
2:05:38document menopause
2:05:41came to me and said hello we want to
2:05:42move the protein
2:05:44sign the people say bring outside my
2:05:46boss man
2:05:47in the anime we are trying to obey our
2:05:49beloved soul i will bear you break it
2:05:53so now
2:05:54i brought the people
2:05:56and the heart will remove putin
2:05:58i could not protect him because he
2:05:59didn't protect me
2:06:01[Music]
2:06:03now
2:06:04he tried to bring ground to the world
2:06:06because either his uncle or a brother or
2:06:08a father
2:06:09were killed in the army with a great
2:06:12group as i was explaining earlier
2:06:14all this is not necessary the people are
2:06:17granted there the people in the
2:06:18mechanics must unite for good if you
2:06:20don't do it i'll regret because
2:06:23no one of us will ever take political
2:06:24power in this country
2:06:26when you want to be a president become a
2:06:28candidate the politician will come and
2:06:30say a girl man there we don't do the
2:06:33government be careful
2:06:36if i want to be president of mine they
2:06:37will tell the crime position
2:06:39he will finish
2:06:40this is how they will keep us
2:06:42apart so let us allow the dead to rest
2:06:46in peace
2:06:48those who are alive today let us unite
2:06:50gonna forge our hair
2:06:53and prepare our political tools
2:06:54missionaries
2:06:56to take power one day in this country
2:06:58too
2:06:58what is good for anybody is good for
2:07:00others
2:07:01but will be done democratically
2:07:04nobody is better than the other in this
2:07:05country
2:07:06your education we understand many people
2:07:08brought degrees for
2:07:11and they use the foreign as a means to
2:07:12deprive people who are clever and gifted
2:07:15but the other people to determine who
2:07:17become president are the electrics
2:07:19that are john hence for the president
2:07:21who was against election reagan
2:07:24i'm glad when she went to egypt and told
2:07:25the people
2:07:26there that
2:07:28it's a warning for zimbabwe what brought
2:07:30trouble to librarian was a regulation
2:07:32and she was giving advice to zimbabwe
2:07:33then she saw the mother there peacefully
2:07:35so he says she sat in this country on
2:07:37course
2:07:39so you have both people up here at your
2:07:40club
2:07:41there are other students like you but
2:07:43are very smart can do your job
2:07:47thank you very much
2:07:48thank you
2:07:49for your dissertation on that question
2:07:52uh next um
2:07:54was there a link between the mpf of
2:07:57kuampa and the mpfl of taylor
2:08:01well uh
2:08:02i i i will i will i will differ from
2:08:05that you got going back
2:08:09[Music]
2:08:20the enemy not to even have a phd if you
2:08:24got pid you got mastered until they
2:08:26might bring yourself down he must step
2:08:27on your back
2:08:28and so
2:08:29they initiated homosexuality
2:08:33the secret society
2:08:35so
2:08:36i stopped there
2:08:39so in essence they started off together
2:08:42the same but then the leadership changed
2:08:44the quality of the two yeah that's your
2:08:46principle
2:08:49[Music]
2:08:51instituted a situation where many of the
2:08:54colleagues became wise
2:08:56so you can dominate them when you
2:08:58thought you don't talk
2:08:59you were not in favor that's why you may
2:09:01fit
2:09:04interesting
2:09:06okay
2:09:07thank you i'll leave that leave it at
2:09:09that for now
2:09:10please
2:09:11tell us what do you know about the death
2:09:14of the late douglas vp who you said was
2:09:17with you in
2:09:19the uh jail in libya is that was that
2:09:21the same douglas you're referring to
2:09:24well i don't know about how he died
2:09:28the story
2:09:30regarding how you died i
2:09:32sometimes reading the newspaper i was in
2:09:34nigeria at the time okay so i have no
2:09:36idea
2:09:38thank you but he was the same one that
2:09:40you were talking about that's the same
2:09:41one okay he was electrocuted
2:09:46okay help us with at least three names
2:09:48if possible of those
2:09:50um you said mentions about america
2:09:53liberian who assisted with taylor's
2:09:55release or those who should know about
2:09:58it
2:09:58you mentioned about some organization
2:10:00called acld or something i don't know
2:10:02that organization was in america and
2:10:04that consists of so many people
2:10:05including thomas
2:10:07[Music]
2:10:11so woe way was one of them oh yeah okay
2:10:14so he would be able to help us to know
2:10:16he would be the best to explain he would
2:10:18give more details because he was the
2:10:20political wing leader
2:10:23and uh
2:10:24the what teller did was
2:10:26we were the military guys the stupid
2:10:28guys you know was are caused by wise men
2:10:30fought by fools
2:10:32so we were the military guard they were
2:10:33using the kamudo then they currently
2:10:35power so telangana concealed the list of
2:10:38political leaders that he will bring on
2:10:39board if we have succeeded so thought
2:10:42when you knew everybody
2:10:44okay you know so he will tell you
2:10:47everything because those who could not
2:10:49come to libya were meeting in burkina
2:10:50faso or to to avocados with tuna king
2:10:55so you got all the records and many
2:10:57people who will want to hide them
2:10:58saturday
2:10:59for the record for tomorrow they had
2:11:01some photographs because we took so many
2:11:03photographs so many photographs with
2:11:05some people who were the financiers and
2:11:07all because some financial would pay
2:11:09money they want a photographer to be
2:11:10brought to libya so we can know that the
2:11:11good guy was supporting us you know for
2:11:13a position
2:11:14other than the end of it i'll see so all
2:11:16of them may eventually come so your
2:11:18request to extend a detailed efficiency
2:11:21we can lobby our code to make it pass
2:11:24because when men want to kind of hear
2:11:25mystery
2:11:27uh thank you uh for your support for
2:11:30that but a question that came to my mind
2:11:32is there one other person because this
2:11:34person i think you're talking about not
2:11:35in the country at the time right is
2:11:36there someone local who could be another
2:11:38reference point for the aac um
2:11:45harry greece okay
2:11:47from about that group our loving support
2:11:49to
2:11:53thank you very much next um
2:11:56when did you mention about tila meeting
2:11:58senko in prison yes that being the
2:12:01turning point for the regional expansion
2:12:04of this whole uh problem
2:12:07but could i tell you what what year that
2:12:09happened or month or even the past that
2:12:10was 1989
2:12:13almost everywhere coming to whatever
2:12:15[Music]
2:12:17yes
2:12:18okay thank you that's the beginning
2:12:22i have been told to stay by the security
2:12:25to remain at the airport and go back to
2:12:26where you came from you will not have
2:12:27messed with god um i see but maybe it
2:12:31was that stream for him to make for this
2:12:32also
2:12:33they wrote him in jail why he murders me
2:12:42okay um
2:12:43next
2:12:44i'm gonna at least begin this question
2:12:46with uh another bible quote
2:12:49just to
2:12:50interest you a bit romans 12 17 to 19
2:12:54says recompense to no man evil for evil
2:12:58provide things honest in the sight of
2:13:00all men if it is possible as much as
2:13:03lies in you live peacefully with all men
2:13:06dear beloved avenge not yourselves but
2:13:09rather give place unto wrath for it is
2:13:11written vengeance is mine i will repay
2:13:14said the lord
2:13:16as we look into this thing about this
2:13:18chapter and we look at liberia's
2:13:20period of suffering we see so much
2:13:23revenge and anger and repayment of debts
2:13:27and and painfulness
2:13:29[Music]
2:13:31as you felt
2:13:32righteous in defending your people
2:13:35against dole don't you think door felt
2:13:37righteous in defending himself against
2:13:40asari for putting it like this your
2:13:42people in november 1985 doing the
2:13:45kawampa invasion in hindsight and as an
2:13:48evangelist if any attack on your people
2:13:51were to return do you think this kind of
2:13:54strategy would be the optimal one that
2:13:55we should be using or is it that we can
2:13:58now transcend into a new era as we have
2:14:01entered this 21st century what do you
2:14:02mean though defend himself because he
2:14:04was under attack well he may have felt
2:14:06that way in his mind well uh there was
2:14:08nothing wrong with dorothy saying
2:14:09himself
2:14:10even the devil when he made war with god
2:14:13and the world started he was defending
2:14:15himself he's arriving to the throne
2:14:17okay and god said no you're not the
2:14:18representative go down you have to fight
2:14:21and turn down so ellen brother will
2:14:23defend himself because the first mother
2:14:25nature being self-preservation you will
2:14:28face upon that somebody can override you
2:14:30and knock you down
2:14:31you must do something in defense
2:14:34but when you defend yourself against
2:14:36your colleague who together with you
2:14:37took power in 1980 i am saying what
2:14:40happened to the people in him what did
2:14:41they do
2:14:44what the nimbanus do
2:14:47maybe he felt that they betrayed him by
2:14:49coming to have a coup on him in 1985.
2:14:52no
2:14:53the good thing to have done was when you
2:14:56crush the rebellion it is crushed
2:14:58the poor people in nimble who are no
2:15:00guns they will not stop eviction
2:15:03then you enter the village where your
2:15:05group now
2:15:06those villagers out of fear will feed
2:15:08you
2:15:09all the fear there was there was succumb
2:15:11they got no choice
2:15:13and if you if you left sorry if you left
2:15:15the village
2:15:17and i came in
2:15:18i should know better that gun scary
2:15:21can get a lot from the citizens
2:15:24who are on a
2:15:25threat
2:15:26with all your asking they will begin to
2:15:28give you what you never asked for out of
2:15:30here
2:15:31so based upon that i will not get to the
2:15:33time and say because you were there you
2:15:34ate food or you started arrested so i
2:15:36started crew they are killing people no
2:15:38but that's what many npf boys were doing
2:15:41when i entered the town and i passed
2:15:42they would come and kill the people and
2:15:43say that they didn't want to have a
2:15:45prince johnson
2:15:46i'm your trainer
2:15:48i'm a battle group commander
2:15:50i'm your planning officer
2:15:53the teacher can teach all you will kiss
2:15:54on to save yourself tomorrow
2:15:57okay
2:15:58thank you my last uh question in this
2:16:02sense first of all two parts to the last
2:16:05question one there was an incident that
2:16:07happened i just want you to please shed
2:16:08light on it maybe i'm mistaken but there
2:16:12was a fella named uh one roosevelt logan
2:16:15who worked with lec years back
2:16:19and there was a rumor of some sort that
2:16:22he may have been killed by either your
2:16:24honorable self or someone in your group
2:16:27what does he do
2:16:28well that's the whole point that he was
2:16:31[Applause]
2:16:41[Music]
2:16:44so many territories not only in monrovia
2:16:47wherever we pass go to banga
2:16:50the other time when we got to bangalore
2:16:52the president and i
2:16:53on our way from nimba
2:16:55and she was to hold the program there
2:16:57and she introduced her entrance
2:17:00and when it came to me when she
2:17:02introduced no appliances once she
2:17:04entered drilling the whole place 10
2:17:06minutes of the process
2:17:08she never knew i was removing that i'm
2:17:10that popular i'm that popular because of
2:17:12the work i did in bangal in one country
2:17:15everywhere i passed
2:17:17we did not go to the hammocking people
2:17:19we did not
2:17:22so you would say that in essence that
2:17:24your group basically did not commit i
2:17:26have no knowledge of any uh acts against
2:17:29the international humanitarian law with
2:17:31regards to innocent killing of civilians
2:17:34we did not go killing civilians children
2:17:38because all my brothers i have six
2:17:40thousand often children and i i already
2:17:43started with unicef and when the
2:17:45unicycle and we had a registration done
2:17:47men and parents came to the bay to claim
2:17:49their children through unisa until three
2:17:51thousand was left as a three thousand i
2:17:53turned over to
2:17:54the very
2:17:55in 1992
2:17:58okay thank you very much sir
2:18:01the politicians they all breed
2:18:04they never speak good of people
2:18:06they call us killers the attributes to
2:18:09all that we did not do that we never
2:18:11were involved in
2:18:12but i'm glad to be alive to be here
2:18:14today with the help of all of you who
2:18:16have made this day possible to answer
2:18:17questions and to explain myself
2:18:20it's not true
2:18:21thank you
2:18:46thank you
2:18:52thank you mr witness
2:18:54for coming to share your experience with
2:18:56us
2:18:57and for at least having opportunity to
2:19:00explain
2:19:01some of what took place during a period
2:19:03of review
2:19:04i have a few questions
2:19:07and
2:19:08i hope we make it short so that we all
2:19:11can be able to live on time
2:19:14my first question is
2:19:16you said during your explanation that
2:19:18there was a leader of a group of men who
2:19:21were taken to libya
2:19:23who was given money to go and recruit
2:19:26and then he went and opened a
2:19:28supermarket in friton who was our leader
2:19:31he's a guinea i don't know his name
2:19:33but we met we met those guineas on the
2:19:35base
2:19:36and they told us their leader was giving
2:19:37money to go bring more of their
2:19:39colleagues but they never came back
2:19:41oh so hey men were fun guinea they're
2:19:43forgetting oh okay i thought they were
2:19:45lapping no okay thank you the librarians
2:19:48were abandoned by joe wally and uh that
2:19:50formula
2:19:52and uh we are stopped into the impfl
2:19:54into the npfl okay during your time in
2:19:57um labia thank you for any chance meet
2:20:00katavi many times many times we did and
2:20:03what were some of the things you
2:20:05discussed
2:20:06uh we'll talk about redemption of africa
2:20:08in areas that were still on
2:20:12new colonialism
2:20:14you know community was dismantled
2:20:17but the very blacks that advocated
2:20:19changed
2:20:20against the colonialists when they
2:20:21became president they became neocolonies
2:20:25and became oppressor of their own people
2:20:28and qadhafi believed in freedom
2:20:31as a pan-africanist
2:20:33and he was he was he was he was above
2:20:36religion
2:20:37we are christians but we were giving all
2:20:39the best treatments
2:20:41to come and effect change in our own
2:20:42life while people call in terrorists is
2:20:45a redeemer it's a true revolutionary
2:20:48you got a qadhafi not giving us the
2:20:50training
2:20:51the maximum military training and equip
2:20:53us
2:20:54what will happen today who are being
2:20:56they want to move though
2:20:58and that's impossible someone came here
2:21:00and testified that gaddafi was trying to
2:21:05bring up a
2:21:07situation where
2:21:08he had people going from one country to
2:21:11another in the western and
2:21:13in a uh he said the western year i think
2:21:16the western part of africa
2:21:19to bring about this history
2:21:22that he preached about is it true who's
2:21:25daughter
2:21:27um the touching of okay i can't remember
2:21:34i think it's the same panel
2:21:36african-american
2:21:38where he wanted each country to be free
2:21:40or something to be a part of africa is
2:21:42not a bad thing
2:21:44if you are a pan-africanist
2:21:46your problem as a leader is my problem
2:21:49but i should also be in a position to
2:21:51advise you when you're doing one of your
2:21:52own people
2:21:55not to bring trouble to your people
2:21:56because if you start doing things that
2:21:58will suppress your people and i'm
2:22:00helping you
2:22:01man people who look at me good they
2:22:03won't be good for their own people how
2:22:04do you look at me
2:22:05so can i feel how the way you are the
2:22:07leadership star where when you get
2:22:09training and you graduate to
2:22:11revolutionize your country
2:22:13more revolutionaries can change
2:22:15instead of revolution which means a
2:22:17change for the people for the betterment
2:22:18of the people of the country you become
2:22:20a change for yourself from poor to to
2:22:23power from poverty to to riches
2:22:26from grass to power you know like that
2:22:28so the people suffer so when you are
2:22:30advocating yesterday people support you
2:22:32now you can't hear and say you forget
2:22:33people so you treat another group again
2:22:36to knock you down if you try to deviate
2:22:39so it was claimed that most of the
2:22:41revolution that happened during that
2:22:43period the 79
2:22:45up to the 80s
2:22:46were groups that he had trained
2:22:49in his own torturing that he believed
2:22:50well i don't know
2:22:52much about that but i will
2:22:54i would i would say yes because when we
2:22:56were there we saw guineans ghanians and
2:22:59other places so many people even the
2:23:01ghanaians or some people for training
2:23:02they're all army not not for convict
2:23:05operation but they were saying that i
2:23:07made them for training
2:23:09and even general roland where he was
2:23:10where he was trained tajira willa's base
2:23:14okay coming to pong mines um
2:23:17one of my colleagues measured a massacre
2:23:20there
2:23:21and then you answered that you did not
2:23:24perform a
2:23:25massacre in pomade
2:23:27but rather you went there
2:23:29and then
2:23:30had some fight with
2:23:33some fighters there
2:23:34who were there with their girlfriends
2:23:37these fighters were killed
2:23:40am i right
2:23:43[Music]
2:23:45you overcome
2:23:46human rights groups all over the world
2:23:51if you call yourself a freedom fighter
2:23:54a revolutionary
2:23:57and you want to effect
2:23:59positive change in your country through
2:24:01military means
2:24:02please try to differentiate your men
2:24:04from the civilians
2:24:07you answer me
2:24:08tell us men were not uniform we were
2:24:10uniform
2:24:12and other machine guns
2:24:14when we attack them and they are tackled
2:24:16and we'll conquer them and leave the
2:24:17bodies of their bodies and pick up the
2:24:19rafters if you step there after we allow
2:24:21you within us when people kill
2:24:24so it's always good to identify your
2:24:26truth
2:24:27and differentiate them from the civilian
2:24:29by uniform in there
2:24:31tell us never uniform
2:24:34he will have a whole battalion no in the
2:24:36phone a platoon no in the phone a squad
2:24:38no uniform
2:24:39if you attack the case so many out there
2:24:41all you need to do take the rafter there
2:24:43that's what we take and leave the devil
2:24:44there with our civilian clothes
2:24:46so you kill these men who are tailor man
2:24:49we attack them those who are attackers
2:24:50that will kill those who who were able
2:24:52to get okay but they're not going to
2:24:53kill surveillance what happened to their
2:24:55girlfriends
2:24:57where their girlfriends they were they
2:24:59were having merry men in the place
2:25:01overnight we were told
2:25:03and we attacked and they left their
2:25:05girlfriend their girlfriend then all of
2:25:06them ran away
2:25:08the owner left the raffles we picked
2:25:09them in the morning
2:25:11because whenever you have your
2:25:12girlfriend in your room you don't know
2:25:14as you know that's uh as a musa room and
2:25:16will bomb the player and they go for
2:25:17them is that my responsibility
2:25:23the huh man i'm fighting to remember
2:25:25and you got girlfriend in the room and
2:25:27my reconnaissance tell me that whatever
2:25:29you're living here and i blast a play
2:25:30with whatever you see again and your
2:25:32daddy that i'm a business
2:25:36um
2:25:39can we have a choir please
2:25:41kelly somebody is now laughing mata
2:25:56so
2:26:09the reason why i asked this question is
2:26:10because during the bomb counter hearings
2:26:13we had someone to come and say
2:26:16including the one that
2:26:18you killed
2:26:19they claimed you killed and the people
2:26:22from nima who came to negotiate or to
2:26:24to talk between you and taylor
2:26:27excuse me let me end they claim
2:26:31that um when you attack these saudis
2:26:34who according to you and mary making
2:26:36with their girlfriends
2:26:38you kill all of them and then brought a
2:26:40tongue truck
2:26:41that you use or a
2:26:43high quality
2:26:45and producer
2:26:46yeah or producer
2:26:48to take the body and then bury it and
2:26:51this is why i asked this question where
2:26:53i got bulldozer from i entered bone
2:26:55marrow tonight
2:26:57after fighting the next morning i was
2:26:59saying wait why i gotta go to the phone
2:27:03so those people who fabricate
2:27:06they cannot show their senses
2:27:10i see you so that you clarify let me
2:27:12tell you something so now we clear our
2:27:13minds let me tell you something there
2:27:15was a day here
2:27:17last year
2:27:19when
2:27:20they're going to sometimes blame people
2:27:21face to face there was a time when uh
2:27:25protagonist he was reporting
2:27:27he went to the present liberia now the
2:27:30old start of the old regime where he
2:27:32played
2:27:33he thought they always said
2:27:36every snow want to overthrow a group
2:27:39they are plotted over throw you
2:27:41the problem
2:27:42okay
2:27:47investigate
2:27:48so we received sakura
2:27:50to go to the evacuation house one one
2:27:52one evening seven o'clock
2:27:53all of us were there the senators then
2:27:56put himself there but he didn't know
2:27:56what he could ask for he went inside he
2:27:59saw every snow but he didn't know why
2:28:01this was therefore until his vibration
2:28:02broke the world the guy was thinking
2:28:05kicking
2:28:06that's my girl tougher
2:28:09so smells like one coming from
2:28:12did they oh my reveal was not good i
2:28:14will be finished
2:28:16why are you lying on the man
2:28:19you are protein speaker what do you want
2:28:20for him
2:28:23i'm talking there to tell you that
2:28:25that's the only reason we will move for
2:28:28administrative attitude
2:28:36the president on liberia is going over
2:28:38and want to leave good legacy
2:28:40should i want people damaging our
2:28:42government with lies
2:28:46oh you can see so the people can tell
2:28:48you there was no massacre in the
2:28:50in that place what were you carrying for
2:28:53oh you were here in burma when you asked
2:28:55all the kids it is the member dividing
2:28:57fool yeah
2:28:59okay thank you for clarifying that point
2:29:01yes another another alleged
2:29:04perpetration by you
2:29:06um was said here
2:29:09also before the trc
2:29:11that you also killed
2:29:14a sogan cattle
2:29:17on september 29 1991 where a base
2:29:22and then you were heard on bbc a legend
2:29:25that that particular person
2:29:27was a illumiki fighter or a universe
2:29:29fighter
2:29:34when does my
2:29:35september 29 1991 on your piece
2:29:39was he a member of magruder or what no
2:29:42he was a civilian according to that
2:29:44maybe once
2:29:46i don't know where he was you need to
2:29:47add more details are you coming okay
2:29:50that is not true
2:29:52um
2:29:54most of you you said most of the killing
2:29:57that you did
2:29:58you detail members of your own troops
2:30:02am i right who violated with our later
2:30:04crimes and who violated um most of your
2:30:07rules yes
2:30:10you raised somebody to spare you
2:30:14so what were some of the crimes that
2:30:15they committed that they were killed for
2:30:17what
2:30:19they're ripping raped if we break burn
2:30:22the game bangladesh and use our rpg to
2:30:25to blow the bank so he can open for him
2:30:27to enter and we talk about the enemy
2:30:29we'll go load up the metro and enter the
2:30:30bank
2:30:32i was sitting stealing
2:30:34[Music]
2:30:35have you smoked narcotics
2:30:38folks
2:30:39you finished
2:30:41uh-huh
2:30:42yes
2:30:44your enumeratory why anything that is
2:30:47incompatible and that that that is is
2:30:50forbidden by our revolutionary laws
2:30:53what were those things that were
2:30:54incomplete
2:30:55again these are enough to build on it
2:30:59these are enough to be on it okay you're
2:31:01also talking about the children your
2:31:02decision
2:31:07in in peace time when a soldier leaves
2:31:10to go anywhere without permission it's a
2:31:12war
2:31:12but if you did that during water a
2:31:15disaster i don't know the minute you
2:31:16stay away where you been to maybe you
2:31:18are leading our position so don't spare
2:31:20you
2:31:23okay because deception in terms of war
2:31:25is punishable by death's perspiring
2:31:27squad
2:31:30you know ucmj
2:31:31you say yeah that many children
2:31:35were snatched away from their parents in
2:31:37lima county
2:31:38and brought to monrovia
2:31:41and they were killed yes madam
2:31:43do you know where they were buried
2:31:47i
2:31:47went to the spot inside dupuyra they end
2:31:51and they had the
2:31:53the peacekeeper were taken there one
2:31:54point in time they put their the the
2:31:57grave for children taken from nimba
2:31:59because they tried to belong to he's
2:32:01there today
2:32:04can you at the end what is said a long
2:32:06long post
2:32:07that doesn't seem roundable
2:32:16okay
2:32:17um you said during your time
2:32:21you had
2:32:22[Music]
2:32:23children you talk food
2:32:26from wherever you talking from from the
2:32:28port and you distributed
2:32:31the food plus medicine
2:32:34you distributed the food
2:32:36to citizens and medicines to hospitals
2:32:39and clinics
2:32:41can you please name some of the areas
2:32:44that distributed food
2:32:46and then some of the clinics and
2:32:48hospitals that you provided with
2:32:49medicine and drugs
2:32:52first
2:32:53snapper here
2:32:54snap on here
2:32:56oh doctor selling the lid
2:32:58snapper hair community snap on your
2:33:00clinic snap on here
2:33:08[Music]
2:33:17redemption hospital
2:33:26and any food distribution
2:33:28all over central monrovia we divided
2:33:30certainly soon we'll get started to 500
2:33:32because
2:33:39we gave west point we get clown down we
2:33:41get neutral town we get central monrovia
2:33:47we get displaced centers that uh
2:33:50jamaica royal school d2 nand detroit
2:33:53boston chief boston the display people
2:33:55when they will get a food in the
2:33:57hundreds of back arrests and we get
2:33:59detroit people's food because they were
2:34:01all there and refugees
2:34:03all over
2:34:06okay you also said here that you were
2:34:08great at the internal commentary
2:34:11follow me
2:34:18okay thank you for lying
2:34:35to your estimation um you said that you
2:34:39you had just watched
2:34:41the film of torah being killed in his
2:34:43pajamas last night yes do you have that
2:34:46film i have it can we help you
2:34:49all right i will say to you yeah please
2:34:50send it to us
2:34:54okay thank you so much i will depend on
2:34:56you for that certainly you will get it
2:34:58okay my last question is that um
2:35:02today you've come here
2:35:04and taken an oath
2:35:06and even told us that you are dean
2:35:08minister yeah
2:35:10and we are here to find out the truth
2:35:15about what happened
2:35:17we know that
2:35:18some people
2:35:20feeling wrong
2:35:22took the gun to correct that wrong and
2:35:26through that wrong people died
2:35:29but according to you you only killed
2:35:32your soldiers
2:35:34are you testifying today to us
2:35:37the trc
2:35:38that you did not kill
2:35:40any civilian
2:35:42only soldiers you killed
2:35:46madame
2:35:47honor god look at group of civilians and
2:35:50kill them for what reason did i come
2:35:53i came to remove the oppressor then i
2:35:55should have been the oppressor
2:35:58i came to redeem them to live for the
2:36:00people of liberia to leave their own
2:36:02country free
2:36:04there should have been one kelly
2:36:07these very people know
2:36:09there is no mass growth wherever i pass
2:36:12all our born country everywhere i pass i
2:36:15did not go on killing civilians
2:36:17but a few incidences as i mentioned that
2:36:19they don't
2:36:20issue that's one of those
2:36:23and we regret the incident because
2:36:26this man was lied all
2:36:28he did not bring mpf troops to vangia
2:36:32somebody lied on him and because of the
2:36:33tense situation combat situation in
2:36:36which gun was firing and
2:36:38forces were fighting each other we
2:36:40assumed that what an embroidery who were
2:36:42a queen or liberal before say were true
2:36:44they were after that were discovered
2:36:45were not true because the people in the
2:36:47hotel told the truth
2:36:49when i honor how to be arrested she fled
2:36:53okay thank you so we did not go
2:36:54intentionally killing people
2:36:57now the sovereign man from a group that
2:36:59killed a pregnant woman for certain
2:37:00rights
2:37:01i had to execute him right there
2:37:02accounting tree
2:37:05the case that the cancer rather which i
2:37:07mentioned that my general debt
2:37:10these are few incidences but it's not
2:37:13something you go on rampage killing then
2:37:15if we are just killing the people right
2:37:16then we have to secure large territories
2:37:19everywhere we fire people live
2:37:20comfortably
2:37:23so that's it
2:37:25thank you very much thank you
2:37:28well thank you very much
2:37:32witness for
2:37:33taking up your time and
2:37:36honoring the invitation of the
2:37:37commission
2:37:40this is our first encounter
2:37:43and from all that you have said it's
2:37:46possible that we may have subsequent
2:37:48encounters yeah just in case if there's
2:37:51anything else you remember you think
2:37:52it's important for the work of the
2:37:54commission we appreciate it
2:37:56and in the same view if there's anything
2:37:58else you want to do maybe clarify
2:38:00and true lightning will be contacting
2:38:02you yes
2:38:03um
2:38:05the death of thermal gardner
2:38:08i recall you saying he was caught up in
2:38:11a
2:38:11dubai was a contested
2:38:16was a contested ground i was not there
2:38:18in fact during that same time the npfl
2:38:20killed a nigerian man his wife they had
2:38:23shut they
2:38:24and they born they born
2:38:26a week baby they cut their finger
2:38:30and my soldier brought the ball to me
2:38:33and i named the boy imagine where
2:38:35the boy is a big man very big now even
2:38:38me
2:38:40so i was told that my gardener was
2:38:42killing the crossfire
2:38:45fire between three forces
2:38:47my group teller group and afl
2:38:50they had come from a team where they
2:38:52came from they came from so clean away
2:38:54and they penetrated so there was a heavy
2:38:56battery
2:38:58i was not there
2:39:01but you turned garnet very well without
2:39:03the at the mansion
2:39:06so he died in combat he's available in
2:39:08crossfire
2:39:11thank you very much he was not
2:39:13deliberate
2:39:14or anything somebody intended to do just
2:39:17like that
2:39:19it has been widely documented that
2:39:22fighters during the liberian conflict
2:39:25were susceptible to different substances
2:39:28drugs and all of that
2:39:31i was wondering if i heard you clearly
2:39:32that members of your unit
2:39:35did not at all use the sodium return and
2:39:38the soldiers in my group you know it's
2:39:40difficult to control people
2:39:42no matter how much you try
2:39:44there will be people that are going to
2:39:45be saying they're going to tolerate or
2:39:47journey or do anything
2:39:49but
2:39:49for me to make
2:39:53smoking of marijuana or any ginger
2:39:55substance and official matter no
2:39:59because in my deputy house general
2:40:01valley house there was a girl that was
2:40:03there smoking cocaine they called
2:40:05docking
2:40:06mr duncan she went into after before
2:40:08a beautiful girl and she was smoking
2:40:10cocaine and i broke her leg ready before
2:40:13fighting
2:40:15in vanilla broke her leg right there
2:40:17because when you smoke you knock on
2:40:19yourself
2:40:20and if you look at me i may be like
2:40:22enemy to you
2:40:24even there to extend that if you have a
2:40:26woman and you go and lord another man
2:40:28woman we will not kill you but that
2:40:31penis will be paralyzed
2:40:34because if you love to general wealth or
2:40:36capital instead of going to war to face
2:40:39one common enemy you'll start facing
2:40:40each other
2:40:44so you don't do that when you're in a
2:40:45group
2:40:46there are many women going to make love
2:40:47anyway
2:40:49if you choose organ woman and they're
2:40:50meant to fire woman you won't go not
2:40:52you are in trouble
2:40:54because i must keep the unity of my
2:40:56group
2:40:57and the mission success was my objective
2:41:02so these are some of the things i put
2:41:03down
2:41:04two things were
2:41:07popularized during
2:41:09the arrival of the impf virto monrovia
2:41:13the music by the river of babylon
2:41:18and then budweiser drake
2:41:20is there and then
2:41:21history
2:41:23linked to it and the whole movement of
2:41:25well you know you know
2:41:27my drinking powers at the time became an
2:41:29issue to many people
2:41:31american soldiers drink the smoke
2:41:33cigarettes cigar
2:41:35and in fact a rare man with a indian
2:41:38indian head and tobacco
2:41:41that remains even more dangerous when
2:41:43you tell rare man just small tobacco in
2:41:45your mouth you don't have to storage
2:41:46your space they control your whole body
2:41:49but they drink they drink all
2:41:52kinds of drinks
2:41:53and at that time i was drinking browasa
2:41:56but i was very composed i was not a
2:41:57drunkard like elizabeth would tell me a
2:42:00drunkard i would save her
2:42:02she called me a drunkard
2:42:05i was i was drinking beer i was not
2:42:08drunk
2:42:10a drunkard cannot be able to plan his
2:42:13military strategy and execute properly
2:42:15that i was doing
2:42:17i was leading my men who respected me
2:42:20and honor me for what i stand for and i
2:42:23was fighting two folks at the same time
2:42:25i would never have been drunk
2:42:28so when they say i'm a drunkard here i
2:42:30laugh
2:42:32you know i love because
2:42:34sometimes i try to
2:42:36compose myself well and not to listen to
2:42:38people people sometimes people's
2:42:41opinions tend to provoke you to anger to
2:42:43dance the devil's drunk i will not dress
2:42:45the two on the devil drum
2:42:48i will always tell people over the many
2:42:50years transformations are taking place
2:42:52in my life
2:42:55so i don't mind what people say
2:42:58that's why i from my house to offer
2:43:01offer to my house i don't visit senate i
2:43:03don't visit minister with me in the
2:43:04office
2:43:06when you start visiting people start
2:43:08taking word from you that you never said
2:43:11so that's it possibly famous
2:43:13music by the river of babylon i love
2:43:15that i love that when we were here like
2:43:17the israelis were in exactly in babylon
2:43:21of course the people there in wherever
2:43:23we were they didn't force them to sing
2:43:24but i just love that song
2:43:27as a
2:43:28religious person
2:43:29i love it and i also see many other
2:43:31songs
2:43:33and
2:43:34that encouraged my resolve to go narrow
2:43:38to christ
2:43:40and i think
2:43:42things are much better now than before
2:43:46when the lead president was captured at
2:43:48freeport were there other
2:43:51officials of members of the security
2:43:54forces who were captured along with no
2:43:55no no we didn't bring another one
2:43:58we didn't bring anyone with us on board
2:44:01the bus
2:44:02or the jeep when the door was brought
2:44:05all others either die at the freeport or
2:44:07escape
2:44:10or germany
2:44:12was there a serious resistance to the
2:44:14impf
2:44:16there was not much resistance because we
2:44:18have
2:44:19a thousand troops and they had less
2:44:21number
2:44:23less than one hundred about about a
2:44:25hundred every hundred yes they were not
2:44:27that many
2:44:28and we were provoked by assembly
2:44:31who was sitting in a car talking to me
2:44:33and trying to disarm me
2:44:36he provoked the issue
2:44:41you mentioned in your testimony that
2:44:44the imp effort was used as an instrument
2:44:47for the sitting of the ignore
2:44:51and you explain a lot of circumstances
2:44:52surrounding your actions and other can
2:44:54you connect yeah but
2:44:57honestly these people
2:44:59made my work much easier
2:45:02when they formed the government he asked
2:45:03her to replace dough
2:45:05how did they want this government to
2:45:07come
2:45:10they were not going to use the
2:45:11peacekeepers
2:45:14peacekeepers cannot go and remove
2:45:15president for another illegal government
2:45:17to be to be seated
2:45:20they were not going to depend on
2:45:22ecommerce
2:45:24because all that was a
2:45:26deliberation that what they had and
2:45:28could not conclude to say that we are
2:45:31coming was not here to catch the
2:45:32president and put another president
2:45:34so they were very happy they were not
2:45:36even comfortable with taylor who who
2:45:38refused to recognize them
2:45:40so i would recognize that and put my
2:45:42my last vote for evan sawyer they
2:45:44believe in me so i was an instrument now
2:45:46i said
2:45:47if i hadn't moved though
2:45:50the intro game will not come
2:45:53the purpose of forming the central
2:45:54government in ezra with the help of the
2:45:57sub-regional leaders excluding togo
2:45:59was to visit monrovia
2:46:02that it was a a clear indication that a
2:46:05south regional leader did not want to do
2:46:06any longer in the circle
2:46:11so it was a coincidence of history
2:46:14that the imperial was in monrovia at
2:46:16that time then i was in monrovia yeah
2:46:19then i was in monrovia you see if i was
2:46:21not in monrovia they would have had a
2:46:22conference
2:46:24yeah so there was no formal request from
2:46:27the authorities
2:46:28for your assistance to make sure that
2:46:31dough was out of the picture
2:46:33you may
2:46:34evict er evacuated yeah well we we did
2:46:39all we could do
2:46:41if you you heard me on the if you saw
2:46:43the video calling uh sunshine and this
2:46:46and they closed up it was out of there
2:46:48already together and
2:46:50for that moment they didn't want to hear
2:46:52anything about him anymore he is
2:46:53capturing what he wanted to do
2:46:55and the banjo crew are telling me hey
2:46:57man shouldn't go he refused to go too
2:46:58high already
2:47:00they don't want him to go you are going
2:47:01around and offer help
2:47:03you know all this kind of thing
2:47:06that reminds me you said uh
2:47:08[Music]
2:47:09a mission near monroeville gave you the
2:47:11motorola
2:47:12oh yeah
2:47:13it was not secret they gave mother
2:47:15brother to the three groups to be able
2:47:17to monitor but they had interest in one
2:47:18group according to gohan
2:47:21gohan was able to say clearly to the
2:47:22world that they are interested in taylor
2:47:24and when he met me he told me yes i had
2:47:26interest my country got in trying to
2:47:27bring into that be president to women
2:47:29negotiate your future intelligence
2:47:32i couldn't accept that so the mission
2:47:34was the american mission
2:47:36parliament are you saying the american
2:47:38mission gave the motorola oh yeah they
2:47:40did it
2:47:42[Music]
2:47:44man was different they programmed me on
2:47:45the channel with three groups
2:47:48for the purpose of controlling
2:47:50the city so that much destruction cannot
2:47:52come
2:47:54you know whenever i wanted to make a
2:47:55move they said no
2:47:57two minutes to valencia you know
2:47:58guardian the two of the three groups
2:48:04i'd like to ask about prisoner of war
2:48:07and the recruitment of child soldiers
2:48:10take the impfl take prisoners of war we
2:48:13we have no three house we were nomadic
2:48:15fighters
2:48:16moving from place to place we had no
2:48:18prisoner war
2:48:20the personal award that we caught was in
2:48:22a place called surgery
2:48:25that behind bound there's about
2:48:2710 minutes walk from bound where we were
2:48:31already cleaning our guns in fact we had
2:48:33just completed cleaning our gun to
2:48:35attack down
2:48:37when taylor forces attack us
2:48:39for three days three never fought
2:48:41and we conquered them and they fled and
2:48:43we captured three
2:48:45and those three they conducted their
2:48:46working outside and appealed to me to
2:48:48let them go
2:48:49so i captured i undertook their weapons
2:48:51and wrote to zobra
2:48:53i gave it to the soldiers i said i'm
2:48:55free you
2:48:56but tell them
2:49:11so wherever there was intervention i'll
2:49:12tell you well there was nothing like
2:49:13that i wanted to implicate myself
2:49:15so we let the three men go with the
2:49:17letter for me
2:49:18then i took the raffles but do you
2:49:20remember out of us
2:49:22we caught 23 men
2:49:31before
2:49:32and i'll let you go
2:49:35now you come again you follow me on my
2:49:36face to kill me i'll grab you i'ma play
2:49:39you
2:49:40no
2:49:42why you be harming to put me in the
2:49:44dress
2:49:45i spare you you don't go you come by
2:49:47again
2:49:50so that was it
2:49:53you spoke when asked
2:49:55of the leadership structure of the imp
2:49:57affair he spoke of the military
2:49:59structure was there a civilian structure
2:50:01we heard there were some borders
2:50:04we had a g5
2:50:06the g5 that was uh
2:50:08uh
2:50:09[Music]
2:50:11what about moses
2:50:13they brought iran who wanted me to banjo
2:50:17steven toy
2:50:18steven steven
2:50:19civitor
2:50:20was a g5 because it was reverend
2:50:23and so he was a
2:50:25coordinator between the civilian
2:50:26population in our area and the military
2:50:31so you have no board of advisors
2:50:49there was somebody on the bed as a
2:50:51versus commissioner knows that very well
2:51:00i like to ask about the drabino
2:51:03it a stainless structure within the
2:51:05input or it was always an ad hoc
2:51:08tribunal established for particular
2:51:10purposes now the tribunal was
2:51:11established
2:51:13as long as we're operating for anybody
2:51:15that would violate the crime
2:51:18for any soldier that will violate the
2:51:20tribunal was not for civilians but
2:51:23civilians who want to be sparred for
2:51:25taylor was powerful yeah
2:51:28then you are
2:51:29you are a rebel
2:51:37during the tribunal sessions did the
2:51:39accused students had anybody to
2:51:41represent them
2:51:43we did not have
2:51:45lawyers
2:51:48we did not have lawyers
2:51:50the tribunal
2:51:52we gather first the way they want to do
2:51:55and
2:51:57they go through the investigation to the
2:51:58trial we ain't got a lawyer from
2:52:00anywhere cannot understand the defense
2:52:02anybody who was accused or something
2:52:04[Music]
2:52:06you otherwise it was not a conventional
2:52:09court
2:52:10even in conventional court
2:52:13uh
2:52:14there are sometimes people they
2:52:16authority manipulate
2:52:18cases in their favor against the accused
2:52:21they have been always judicial system
2:52:24even in liberia now we're going to find
2:52:25her to study on course
2:52:27we have been corrupt in the past and we
2:52:28still fighting to straighten it
2:52:30we cannot boast of a correct judicial
2:52:32system right now
2:52:35we are losing cases because we when
2:52:37people lie on people we'll go through
2:52:39them we put lawyer we put this nothing
2:52:41can cover all of that kids
2:52:43you got thousands of people in jail for
2:52:45months for years they opted to nurse i
2:52:47speak to you before trial
2:52:49their rights have been violated we
2:52:51should concentrate on our presence or
2:52:53immoral group even a trc2 should loan
2:52:56them because someone who can they cannot
2:52:58come they are injured for no reason
2:53:02if a controlling reconstitution
2:53:04under the rule of law can have so many
2:53:07people in africa in your library
2:53:10nothing what would you think about
2:53:12a a rebel group in the bush
2:53:16can you remember the name of the
2:53:18training base in libya
2:53:19tajira tachira yeah that's it that's the
2:53:22area but the training base itself is
2:53:24called willas
2:53:26willard b was used by american troops
2:53:28during the world war one or two
2:53:35wheelers
2:53:36village
2:53:43sorry just put me out
2:53:48you broke away from the mpfl
2:53:51and survive for 2-4 years
2:53:54can you tell us the source of the
2:53:57resources of the imp affair military
2:53:59hardware finances
2:54:08we were trained
2:54:10highly trained
2:54:12we used to launch attacks at night on
2:54:15military garrisons
2:54:18and we were successful
2:54:20because of proper execution of strategic
2:54:23military plan
2:54:30most times we attack at night
2:54:33employing heavy machine guns
2:54:37perhaps on a poorly equipped
2:54:40battalion
2:54:41or company
2:54:43and was successful
2:54:45if i told if i should tell anybody now
2:54:48that
2:54:49we were self-supported you won't believe
2:54:51it
2:54:52and some countries that did not help or
2:54:54would take the glory
2:54:55because that's the kind of thing they
2:54:56let it do you know
2:54:59but we were very sophisticated
2:55:02see the barrage in banga we attack at
2:55:04five o'clock in the morning five fighter
2:55:06in the morning
2:55:08and we took all the supplies they
2:55:09brought it why we couldn't take a bunny
2:55:13you see
2:55:15so
2:55:17to say this country gave us help that
2:55:19country gave us help
2:55:22i cannot say
2:55:25maybe one or two persons are along the
2:55:27way
2:55:29mission donations maybe
2:55:31but we cannot call the pool give our
2:55:33donation
2:55:36i will make it to all
2:55:48honorable prince why johnson
2:55:51we want to thank you very much for
2:55:52coming to the commission god bless you
2:55:54chairman
2:55:55and we appreciate that you remain
2:55:57committed
2:55:58and that the commission can refer to you
2:56:00at any point in time in the future i
2:56:02will do commissioner
2:56:04the testimony before the commission has
2:56:05just ended
2:56:07and would like to ask you if you have
2:56:09any final word
2:56:11for the commission
2:56:12or the people of liberia
2:56:15well what i would like to say i said it
2:56:17before and i will say in closing
2:56:22let us not live our life as a nation
2:56:25depending on foreign truth to always
2:56:26come to intervene
2:56:29let us not know our national level as a
2:56:31people as a nation depending on defense
2:56:34pathway nigeria with any country
2:56:39let us
2:56:41not make mercury
2:56:43of the poverty alleviation program
2:56:45because it is not constructive rules
2:56:47alone
2:56:49it is creation of jobs
2:56:51after war create jobs
2:56:56and
2:56:57make sure
2:56:59that you've opened the market
2:57:01the market is not open
2:57:03everything there was a queue order
2:57:05concerning this it still be happening
2:57:08let us open the market let more rice
2:57:11dealers come so the price can go down
2:57:13then most cement people can't open more
2:57:15factories we can help the government to
2:57:17do that because we are in the first
2:57:19branch
2:57:20after one i'm capable to travel i have
2:57:22influence i have contact
2:57:24but our effort to help government
2:57:27sometimes get stolen by people like
2:57:29harry grieves
2:57:30[Music]
2:57:32when i offer to bring
2:57:345
2:57:35million metal tonnes
2:57:37of gasoline for kuwait we will spend the
2:57:39money and bring it he said again now
2:57:41convenient governments are going to not
2:57:44now your business
2:57:48so these are the kind of things our
2:57:50former study has no job
2:57:53we don't expect government to employ
2:57:54everybody no but we can help the
2:57:57government
2:57:58but the people the only reporting power
2:58:00they are stopping us from bringing
2:58:01investors
2:58:04it should not be soup
2:58:06the idea that whenever get money
2:58:09you will do melody evil why you think so
2:58:11you are weaker in your heart why you
2:58:13think you can you can build a house i
2:58:15can't bear a house why you think you can
2:58:16eat three meals that i cannot eat why
2:58:18you want to for me to be moving job
2:58:20lessons
2:58:22i seen a case of other people today
2:58:24looking for joyconfer
2:58:26we should create jobs which will help
2:58:28them already to create jobs
2:58:30we should open the market
2:58:33and we should have these men
2:58:36but i'm not surprised why the hell is
2:58:38not coming to them
2:58:40because if harry greece would bring
2:58:42combat to liberia and then he died and
2:58:44he went vegetarian suffering and he
2:58:46helped me i see money daughter eating
2:58:48all the money i cannot help the family
2:58:50there you cannot have any
2:58:54not provide jobs
2:58:56we do not want war in this country
2:58:57anymore
2:59:04[Music]
2:59:08i believe him
2:59:09because different groups of liberians
2:59:11are in different groups of factions in
2:59:13kuriwa
2:59:14the america itself has said that liberal
2:59:16peace is on cause by his fragile your no
2:59:19book what i mean fragile it means
2:59:21something breakable
2:59:23[Music]
2:59:25something breakable
2:59:28we don't want anything to break we want
2:59:30our peace to be
2:59:32permanent
2:59:34now we're fragile not correct from
2:59:36peacekeeper
2:59:37excuse me why they said they know that
2:59:39they are not
2:59:44so like create jobs
2:59:46the ruling party cannot do it all
2:59:50those people that grieve the others in
2:59:52the party in monrovia as ministers
2:59:54you are stopped dance asking people
2:59:58you dance thousand people sucking people
3:00:00all night new language you bring here
3:00:01[Music]
3:00:03you are creating insecurity in the
3:00:05country
3:00:07including let us do our best
3:00:10to help our president
3:00:12because
3:00:13god forbid that there is any problem at
3:00:16the border from the border in the future
3:00:18but those men that have gone there you
3:00:19know what happened when he sees all the
3:00:21bushes the jungles all the police say
3:00:23whose job they were doing there
3:00:26they would not come to help us in
3:00:28morovian they would tell us
3:00:29that you already enjoyed it we're going
3:00:34so now try to create more jobs even talk
3:00:36to mental state or other companies that
3:00:38will come from maybe bone marrows maybe
3:00:41western crosses let former soldiers
3:00:44former combatants be employed so that
3:00:47they can be laid in railways the
3:00:49railways it's also a job itself
3:00:53first something for them to do
3:00:56may god bless liberia
3:00:58prosper our beloved land
3:01:00may god bless all of you
3:01:03we took part in the world to defend our
3:01:05people in number to defend liberia
3:01:08if on the course of our liberation
3:01:10duties
3:01:11we stop our enemy tools we'll offend any
3:01:14family may god forgive me may those
3:01:16people rest in peace
3:01:18and may you also forgive us god bless
3:01:20you all
3:01:25thank you sir

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