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Shocking Testimony!! Rebel Leader Prince Johnson Explains Samuel Doe Video & Liberia Civil War - 02 — Transcript

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0:00the story fighting started
0:02and though was president was wounded in
0:06the leg
0:07and harassing penang and others
0:11were killed
0:12in the battle
0:15and though was taken to my base
0:19to face questions
0:22by this time
0:25the interim government
0:27on national unity has already been
0:30organized in the gambia
0:32[Music]
0:35those captured september 9
0:37the interim government was put together
0:39before that
0:42time and they had left gambia and they
0:46came to surveillance to avoid the
0:48dismissal
0:50because there was no way for that echoes
0:52back internal government
0:54led by emissary
0:56there are no way that government would
0:58have taken seat
0:59in monrovia
1:00had do not be removed
1:02the eye was an instrument
1:04that they used
1:12the
1:13interfaith mediation committee
1:15in their search for peace went to sierra
1:17leone on several occasions they went to
1:19many other african countries yamashiker
1:22other places
1:23with a hope of bringing peace to liberia
1:27but i wonder where along the route
1:30i wonder where along the route
1:34did they make
1:35a visit to gambia to front government
1:39i wonder which how how did they manage
1:42to form government as an alternative
1:46being trust people be self
1:49political bishops of course they did
1:51this
1:54though commander-in-chief
1:56was on the throne
1:57[Music]
1:58and the church
2:00that supposed to be preachers of the
2:03gospel of jesus
2:05were the one in the background
2:06conspiring against a constitutional
2:08order
2:11and they saw that order
2:14their new order as an alternative as the
2:16best way
2:18the
2:19implant and i
2:23had no responsibility to build a
2:25constitution
2:27because we felt that the constitution
2:28had been even breached by the president
2:30commander-in-chief by killing our people
2:32by entering diplomatic enclaves and
2:34massacring people
2:37all we had in mind was to remove that
2:39government violently as it is believed
2:42in violence
2:46and so
2:48the government was put together before
2:52september 9.
2:55i would like for dr sawyer
2:57my former president of the interim
2:59[Music]
3:01the mayor i most admired for his
3:04philosophical ideas
3:07to come here
3:10because i heard him once when he took
3:12power when we gave him power on a
3:14platter of gold
3:16i heard him so he came as a child of
3:19necessity when don had died
3:23he did not say
3:25he phoned
3:26him
3:27he was made president of the interim
3:29while god was alive
3:31before those debts
3:32i want him to clarify this and i want
3:34the commissioners to to when he come to
3:36ask him that because it's on the record
3:38the book i gave you the days are all day
3:45and so
3:47though was taken to my base
3:51and the internal government was so
3:53brother
3:54so brother
3:56before those captured when i signed the
3:58truth summer though the interim
4:00government was disturbed
4:04because equalized countries
4:07i think excluding togo was not involved
4:10equalized countries
4:11only hospitals of nigeria put so much
4:13money in the bank in the gambia
4:16i don't know the exact amount but people
4:1830 million like that dollars
4:20that could have put so much money in the
4:22bank for the internal government to pick
4:24up
4:25and that interim government sorry i did
4:27not make rules did not pay sarah did not
4:29do anything i don't know why the money
4:30disappeared
4:34you have to account for that you might
4:36explain
4:38and
4:41that money was in the bank in the gambia
4:44and so
4:45they were very disturbed
4:47every time they were saying leave us
4:48anger
4:50that delivers and i would come to my
4:51base for several years
4:53he would come from sierra leone mandela
4:55i said they say he's moving from room to
4:57room like short distance how do some
4:59people do i some people do you betray us
5:02if you try across and say wait and see
5:05they were not satisfied until i really
5:07grabbed though
5:09then they came with a big drone and
5:11laughing laughing
5:16we all
5:17are involved in it don't matter
5:24there should not be
5:26blame on one person
5:29we all fear we want to change
5:32and that we do not need throw any longer
5:34in our nest
5:38in the gambia
5:41though that gerard the president of the
5:43gambia at the time
5:44who controlled ecommerce at the time
5:46encouraged the liberian to fund
5:48government
5:50i want you to know this it was in the
5:52gambia the aircraft chairperson at that
5:55time was a gerard
5:57it was in his country the interim
5:59government was formed labor fire
6:07and
6:09before they found our government
6:12the leaders of the west african courts a
6:14few of them met
6:16and decided
6:18on the proposal presented to them by the
6:20africa by the libyan council of churches
6:22by other people political parties all of
6:24these people
6:25what are the me and alternative
6:27government so they held the house of
6:29state deliberated and at the
6:31upon that time in august agreed
6:36that they should follow the government
6:39the arab washington
6:41of uganda
6:43president muhammed he was the only
6:45chairman
6:46he endorsed the equal decision for the
6:49liberian to form government in essa
6:52when that endorsement was given by au
6:55or oau it was taken to the united
6:58nations security council by parent decor
7:06endorsed the decision of the african
7:08leaders to have liberian former
7:10government to replace though as an
7:11authority because door was brutal
7:14oppressive suppressive and he was
7:16deterrent
7:18that is what he said
7:22and so
7:24let in august when they formed our
7:25government a you have approved
7:28you had a proof
7:31to form government as an alternative
7:34so when they were organized they they
7:36came to go to to savannah to await the
7:38dismiss of do
7:41every day every two three days
7:44helicopter we're flying people here
7:45they're here they're here they're here
7:47there
7:51whether i have betrayed aircraft
7:53peace plan what are betrayed
7:56this and that but all the the meeting
7:59the voting that took place the churches
8:01back the surroundings
8:04the churches
8:06mr margaret francis was there too
8:10[Music]
8:14all of them
8:16and my last vote
8:18cast message the winner
8:24so they came to liberia
8:27after the dismaster do
8:29an inauguration was planned
8:31sarah was inaugurated
8:34and during the inauguration we provided
8:36food
8:37we provided the imperial youth wing the
8:40dance the sun
8:41it was complete merryman
8:43complete the fast food that that the
8:46soya ever ate in the first water when he
8:47entered this country from ezra it was my
8:50house
8:52a few weeks later they come in rooted
8:55i went on a regular eating whether that
8:56fire me
9:05so we had another program
9:07a silent
9:08doing another program
9:11i presented to dr sawyer and his
9:13government
9:17documents
9:19documents containing
9:21ship the gun boats weapons and things
9:24millions of dollars that don't use to
9:25order those things to persecute the war
9:27and we're not thinking it's stopping
9:28synagogue
9:31and
9:32i tell the documents to him
9:34[Music]
9:35i turn over to that sawyer a document
9:38concerning 8.7 million american dollars
9:41that door had in the bank which he said
9:44we should divide refuse
9:46[Music]
9:49i thought it was to him
9:51in the presence of natan petraeus and
9:54the governor of the bank where he
9:57knew that governor
9:59vincent vinton
10:01and the woman who had a key to the war
10:03we never entered that bank we saw one on
10:05the bank we secured it and the money was
10:08in that bank and i thought we cannot
10:09divide this money to buy a weapon when
10:11the liberal return you will need the
10:13money
10:14that money that destroyer took it he did
10:17not have any resources on his control
10:20he was just a president in trump for
10:22maria
10:24and he took huge sums of that money to
10:27back the printing of the liberty note
10:388.7 million to print the new money then
10:41we use one dollar librarian dollar or
10:42five dollars
10:46[Applause]
10:49and then he allegedly went to america
10:50and bought a house
10:51[Music]
10:55so they need to account for that money
10:57also and you must also study librarian
11:00people
11:01there was a legislation in place
11:04the nation only the interim government
11:05was operating so i wonder why baron did
11:08not go there to be to be confirmed
11:11valentine was not confirmed honest
11:14a good government today for whom for
11:16which he is now
11:17good governor committed commission
11:19chairperson
11:21valentine was not confirmed
11:24yet he signed a legal tender note
11:26isn't that corruption
11:29and they share that money among
11:31themselves working for ezra they give
11:32your eyes are looking lee all right
11:47and
11:49we were good friends after that
11:51the interim government and our good
11:53friends
12:00mr witness i beg your indulgence so
12:03please give us one minute
12:05[Music]
12:08ladies and gentlemen
12:12ladies and gentlemen in this world
12:15especially those up there
12:24if the noise and the disturbance
12:26continues
12:27we are joined and resumed in private
12:30[Music]
12:32if the noise and disturbance continues
12:34we are joined for one hour and will
12:37resume in private there will be no
12:39public attendance
12:42we have opened it up so all of us can
12:44benefit from the knowledge of the past
12:47and now you are disrespecting your
12:49witness
12:50you are disrespecting your fellow
12:51citizens here and you are disrespecting
12:53the commission because we did that
12:56if that continues we will join
12:58enhancement these series will be by
13:01invitation only
13:03so we beg you please
13:06for the sake of the purpose for which we
13:08are here
13:09behave yourself properly and respect us
13:11all
13:14we begin you for the last time peace
13:18this is a free civil open process that's
13:21why we're going to bring troops all
13:22around here to stop some of you from
13:25coming or to arrest people or do other
13:26things
13:28we have to respect ourselves
13:31if the witness is interrupted again
13:33we'll join immediately after one hour we
13:35resume in private
13:37thank you mr witness thank you mr
13:39chairman
13:41so
13:44what is that
13:48okay we're good friends
13:50who are very good friends
13:52okay so
13:54we need to travel abroad and come back
13:57very good friends indeed
13:59but then
14:00the political parties in monrovia were
14:02not satisfied
14:03the the same people that went to gambia
14:06and minnesota president turned around
14:08and saw more than imported government or
14:10doctor orders
14:14and true enough
14:15ninety percent of the minister of social
14:17phd if i called a new year allowed to
14:19hear
14:21so-so phd
14:24doctor club
14:26so they were not clamoring for an
14:28all-liberal conference
14:30[Music]
14:32so
14:33at last another librarian conference was
14:36agreed upon it was held at
14:39hot africa
14:42before
14:46the votes could be cast
14:49a nomination could be made
14:52dr sawyer called me israel to israel i
14:54said come
14:55see masha
14:59i went there to see him
15:01he said i want to still maintain the
15:03pattern that i brought from
15:05gambia
15:06i said which pattern
15:08he said i am the interim president on
15:11this the bishop is a vast friend to me
15:13so i want you to nominate him
15:16if you nominate him
15:18you brought us here
15:21we believe in your sincerity you
15:23cooperated fully with the aqua's peace
15:25plan
15:26so you will be the defending minister
15:30you got a speaker position another
15:32position but you will be the defend
15:33minister
15:34if you should nominate
15:36one of this
15:38so i agree
15:41i came out
15:43when i came out during the nomination
15:46i told you this it was in your church
15:48they must come and people from neighbor
15:51so god will try and
15:57[Music]
16:06the relationship between me and sarah
16:08then he started getting sour saying he
16:10wanted this and i took naga
16:13even
16:14in a
16:15book martial
16:17many things that that song was doing was
16:19done by a
16:23he never
16:24never ever allowed peter naga to come
16:27narrow to what he was doing
16:29simply because i nominated him
16:48intro government has initiated
16:51our instigators
16:52to execute connectivity
16:55so i was the next target
16:58so they were trying to find enemy
17:00to assassinate me
17:07and so i started taking precautions
17:10but one day
17:12i received a call from dr sawyer
17:18to come to the duke or to meet with him
17:21so i said okay so i was going to educate
17:24when i got to
17:26victor
17:28citizen began to run for monrovia that
17:30is in 1990 none of them never moved this
17:33291 that war
17:3591
17:36because sarah had put him to play a
17:38strategic plan
17:40to charge him for british cease-fire
17:43to have a cause to kill me
17:46because they have a domino arrow
17:49so i saw people running from there
17:50coming
17:52they said general i said yeah what
17:54happened what's happening
17:56they said don't go to town they have put
17:58certain group of soldiers ever
18:02celebrated
18:03[Music]
18:05as about everyone supposed to be in the
18:07camp without when you came
18:09in
18:10i won't be going dead today
18:27duke or please tell sauria that he sent
18:29for me
18:30but i hear that saudis are taking
18:32position on broad street so what could
18:35be happening
18:38song camaro left he didn't come back
18:41they are saying one squad
18:43we are
18:47we were in
18:48the sun so i said was one squad
18:52and they opened fire on the squad
18:55i said one platoon
18:56fatigue started there i said three
18:58battalions
18:59in town
19:00[Music]
19:03my men were in time when the american
19:05ambassador called me say
19:07tell your men to this arm we understand
19:09what is going on we are told both party
19:12to see fire
19:13we are told sorry to start with two
19:15dominators to stop
19:18tell all your men to bring their guns
19:20here those are you you can control so we
19:22submitted our arms to the american
19:25embassy and they gave everything to
19:26ecumen
19:27the ones that went to bdc ecommerce
19:30killed all of them
19:32the group that they caught separate here
19:36they put them in a container this new
19:38market the president opened right across
19:40the bridge the container was there that
19:42was a there was a
19:44car park for the trucks they put them in
19:47a container one night during through the
19:49hurricane
19:50he got his own record on a patrick he
19:53put my man in the container and set our
19:55rpg and burned him to death
19:59within that time he miraculously
20:00defended minister
20:02because i didn't do what he told me
20:04america's minister
20:06we made from our complaint the american
20:08ambassador or her sorrow killed our
20:09people and down there on the sea and
20:11their bodies are floating to west point
20:18and
20:19that the sawyer
20:20appointed
20:22casterly may still rest in peace and uh
20:25gabriel also may serve rest in peace to
20:27investigate the massacre of our people
20:29our people brought sawyer and he ordered
20:32peacekeeping of kill them
20:35your mother is saying commander in chief
20:39i'm sorry i don't have another today
20:44but they point them to death there after
20:47selling european only on a container
20:50the investigation we come from was never
20:52held they grabbed my men they put her in
20:55jail
20:56humiliated them
20:58i read the american ambassador again who
21:00appeared to the our sea
21:02to tell ecclemon to release them from
21:04jail
21:05my chief of staff always enjoyed
21:08we did not break this fire
21:10that fire was designed
21:13as phantom crews are designed to
21:15eliminate people you don't want to see
21:17so that you would have ceased fire that
21:19british assistant was designed by a
21:20messiah to kill my people and get rid of
21:22me but after as i speak to you they have
21:26blocked the car will bridge the car will
21:28breach the block everywhere no way for
21:30me to go all the way in town
21:33but sorry i don't know god god is great
21:36how i left monrovia to build my brace i
21:37call it my base
21:40everywhere were black with thanks
21:42but i called
21:47because the tree was stationed right to
21:49kawai bridge
21:50they don't know
21:53you don't know
21:57so i thought i wanted to stop
21:59there's not a war against me
22:01and i'm on a base
22:03and release all my people
22:07so that investigation
22:0917 commissioners distinguished ladies
22:12and gentlemen
22:14was never held because gabriel finally
22:16declined he said it's time for me to
22:19come and my own son preached i'm saying
22:20you making trouble he's telling you that
22:22you care people i'm gonna investigate
22:25so gareth and allah declined
22:28they went back to the states
22:34then
22:38sarah had in a so-called documentary
22:41the watchman committee
22:44a group of all men
22:45phd voters
22:47they called wise men
22:50he got a cabinet ministers there was a
22:52group of a group of people called
22:53watchmen
22:54that report no planning a book
22:57plenty of wisdom
22:58so i wrote them a letter
23:0112 counts point
23:04i said
23:06we pour you here with our blood to bring
23:07peace you created many factions you were
23:10here for cesma if it says morphine
23:13revert to the another conference to get
23:15a new monday but you're just creating
23:17trouble here trouble there just for you
23:18to stay
23:21and my understanding is he tell our
23:22having many things from us i saw on the
23:25paper he was secretary general of the
23:26mpf that didn't show up or barbara no
23:29haram money about showing that people in
23:31civilians why i saw names
23:35who was supporting taylor
23:37tell you if it was true that you were
23:39supporting teller from what i saw then i
23:41would not succumb to you to surrender to
23:42you
23:44you must come down sorry let us say are
23:45you coming for treason as you can catch
23:47your own peace
23:50i'm telling you richard
23:51because you were tell a boy
23:54or a a partner
23:56he cannot describe to you if you remain
23:58interim president because i agree for
24:00power that is free you ran for a second
24:02mayor cuckoo
24:06[Applause]
24:17the wise man committee came to visit my
24:19base
24:22when i wrote the letter the roman body
24:24said two weeks in two weeks time
24:27the president will reply you
24:29will bring you and the president
24:30together they must have together and
24:32this issue would be resolved amicably i
24:35was glad
24:38but two weeks time
24:40at the end of the two weeks
24:42the so-called wise men collected one
24:44another they came to my base
24:46and he said the president is now
24:48prepared to receive you
24:51regardless
24:52i saw that the messiah and wrote two
24:55seats
24:57i saw emma
24:59moving back forward and went up in a
25:01room he never sat with us
25:03what the wise men did was
25:05all the 11 counts
25:07and never against the sawyer they had
25:10their learning answers
25:11already prepared
25:13and given to them
25:14well if you already answered these
25:16questions these allegations these are a
25:18a
25:19complaint
25:20uh 12 complaint try answer then why did
25:23you have to call me to come to dukkha
25:25why didn't i stay on the bench he said
25:26to me
25:28they asked me to leave my bed to go to
25:30duke
25:32uh
25:33jesse you're complaining
25:38you're complaining
25:39yes
25:56very good people
25:58i mean for sure to take his time to
26:00answer all my questions i never expected
26:02oh god bless you you're coming back to
26:04the beast
26:06they were not worse
26:07if they were wise as they claim to be
26:09they will not take me to my business
26:10[Music]
26:12and we got to the base
26:19we got to the base
26:21i call them in my big office
26:23while in my big office i told my
26:25business commander prepared me a platoon
26:27plus of men
26:30and i offered them food pan butter rice
26:33gb
26:34with it
26:36and i just called you commander i said
26:38all the brokers
26:47started
26:54[Applause]
27:00i'm sorry god forgive me
27:03and i told the person you made yourself
27:04ask me or who may say that i saw me
27:06that's okay
27:07you're good so i locked them up
27:10and locked them up you know
27:13this was my one cartoon
27:16this was my one cartoon
27:18i said i would drink that you are you
27:19bitter you got two you have a drink
27:35i said you have a dream because you are
27:37rascal
27:39we suffer in this country we lost men
27:42my mother was killed in the combat
27:45my whole footage were going down
27:49i mean we will get your job sweet your
27:52power is free we get it around there i
27:54got four yeah
27:56you have a dream
27:58if i don't drink i will kill all of you
28:02so after two days i went many of them
28:04tried to drink so i was okay so i told
28:07you basically i dig big grave match
28:08breathe
28:09let them see you digging your grief if
28:10you don't drink one mafia over there
28:15so decided to drink
28:18but i forgive them because i don't want
28:19the wise men to overtime i care i just
28:21want to shake that other corruption
28:26and i don't don't play with soldiers
28:28don't play with soldiers
28:30so i shook them all very fine
28:33and they were winking
28:36then after a week
28:38they took two weeks
28:40there was a football game
28:41at the entrance of my stadium
28:45i saw dr peter naga coming with a
28:48jay cavanaugh what do you mean
28:52caballo
28:54jabaru caron
28:57i said that
28:58i'm referring to peter martin what are
29:00you doing here he said that the cologne
29:02says i see you
29:04so i was thinking in my mind that callum
29:06was coming to beg me for his school for
29:08the people in jail because the minister
29:10is youth sport i mean truly if you come
29:13to beg me i would think twice and
29:14release enough a particular day but he
29:16came to tell me that there were football
29:18game that was being played i returned my
29:20studio and he wanted me to go there
29:22so i said oh but are you are you aware
29:25that the wise men committed
29:27is in jail the people in jail you say
29:29yeah they are based now they don't
29:31concern you now football game to take me
29:33to state state and so you can capture me
29:35because the football game the football
29:36field near the airfare
29:38so i'm going to capture me
29:40so since you're not concerned about the
29:43wise men in jericho
30:05[Applause]
30:07[Music]
30:09and detained for two weeks
30:11[Music]
30:12and
30:13at the end of the day
30:15the
30:17peacekeepers try to beg me i refuse
30:20because
30:22but what can you do to them until the
30:26american embassy intervened and i had to
30:28free them
30:30and i told them
30:31never again
30:34to play with several men who suffer for
30:35the country
30:36he can't fool me like that
30:39people die and they gave him the matter
30:41to investigate was never done i referred
30:43matter to you not to trick me this kind
30:45of way so those people were detained
30:47after two weeks
30:50they were set free
30:53then we started doing our normal work
30:57we had
30:59thousands and thousands and thousands of
31:01bags of rice
31:02though had brought in consignment for
31:05his troops
31:06and when we took the freeport those
31:08rights could feed the public
31:10so as we are dividing the rights with
31:12instruction specific instruction
31:15no sale
31:17not for sale
31:18can you sell to make money i must tell
31:20you
31:21you die
31:23it's free
31:25if i wanted to be rich i would say that
31:26i'll be millionaire but it's free
31:31and so
31:33one day
31:34i came from out i saw a crowd right
31:37before their lifeforce building where we
31:40need to use together
31:41my deputy my histories in peace
31:43literally
31:44was there a group of people with the
31:46apron red cross apron iclc i did red
31:49cross apron
31:51and there was a fellow there they called
31:54[Music]
31:55the castle robbers
31:58and a white guy they have come earlier
32:02and taking one trunk of food out
32:05to unknown destination we're fighting
32:07gorilla rafi
32:08and i know that the red cross in liberia
32:11had closed long before they were
32:12entering russia so where they see where
32:15the uh rear cross comes from real quick
32:18her clothes i see rsc was not in marina
32:21when we enter
32:23so they were saying the food
32:26so while farming was questioning him how
32:28i just arrived
32:29then he saw blood coming from the man
32:31but
32:34he said i turn across
32:36whatever the man and he was writing you
32:38know they say he was a homosexualist
32:41so vanessa sat him he was funny who shot
32:44the council robbers
32:46and i put the white man in my car and
32:48took him to the u.s embassy and turned
32:51him over
32:52nobody killed me
32:54it was gerald funny
32:55who shot him it was public
32:58there's a fellow who wrote the book he
33:00was referred
33:01on some occasions
33:03your booty
33:06your booty
33:06[Music]
33:08he purchase one bullet the other time
33:11james booty yeah he was he was there
33:14he saw that
33:16so i democrated the council robbers
33:19but we we rescued so many
33:22government officials
33:24because our aim was to remove the system
33:27and not to go on killing people
33:30so we gave safe haven to fairly
33:34we get serving to rest of our service
33:38peter naga
33:40pillar naga was arrested by some of my
33:43soldiers
33:44who would join us from immoravia from
33:46monrovia they had lay peter naga down on
33:49the on the background to cut his throat
33:52because he said well minister opted that
33:53we came
33:54and then once said i said no
33:57if you shoot this man they call this
33:58gonna try to tell pepe
34:00because i told her any american
34:02government official with all rising he's
34:04not brilliant to me so piranha was saved
34:08because
34:09of the instructions i gave don't care
34:11god no fishes they can come to us except
34:14for those who betray us
34:15so that the afrikula
34:18serena fault
34:20there are so many
34:23that's running to us
34:26uh during vinton the governor
34:28nathan petrae
34:30josh green james gray
34:32if i named her
34:34it's a book
34:36they were with me
34:37[Music]
34:40and
34:40[Music]
34:42friendly was giving hot africa to stay
34:46including service
34:50at that time are not being captured
34:53because this is where i left i jumped to
34:54do capture
34:55so i'm coming back to it
34:57so he was caught
35:00communicating with though family and
35:02service
35:05that was two weeks
35:07after we get a safe haven
35:09when they brought them to me
35:11as evidence the motorola small shot like
35:15this it was on the same channel they did
35:17not
35:18remove it from china
35:20so the brother said
35:22please
35:23we caught fire playing the service
35:24communicating with you located our
35:27position discussing yeah the radio so i
35:30took the radio from them and then do
35:33answer do i call him family i said
35:35commander-in-chief it is not friendly it
35:37is free martial presidency
35:41those people have been captured
35:44[Music]
35:45so i said family
35:48i admire you you are softly a
35:50disciplinarian you are standing well
35:52then there were very strict people very
35:54correct
35:55that is why when they brought you
35:57frontend to me i said go
35:59i gave food i gave you car
36:03but
36:05the doorstep you are defending you in my
36:08area go on answer
36:10and you communicate in your door and
36:11it's evident by this god i don't need
36:15so you betray my revolution execution
36:21we are here to tell the truth
36:23so i took them to a new crew town
36:25i caught some people
36:27flapping people are saying why i feel
36:28the man you need to see the movie here
36:30she has a betrayal
36:33that is how they were executed
36:36mario brother
36:38he is
36:4274.
36:44so when i saw you i was happy
36:47but i don't know that harry potter had
36:49played before
36:50when he brought professor the medicine
36:51people
36:52that's over here
36:55but when i embrace him again vehicle
36:57food and then he hired his own
36:59bodyguards
37:01he started having secret meeting in the
37:02night because he ran my boat i said the
37:05gun liberation rule that i don't want to
37:07be president and he saw that i said yes
37:08occasionally to become president by by
37:11moving a group from my mama group to
37:12stay another revolution within my group
37:15[Music]
37:16that was one month after we are
37:18embracing and we are moving free
37:21so we have no place for traitor
37:23so he was trapped by the tribunal
37:25established
37:26he was executed
37:37so
37:39we left here
37:41man people could not go to greater
37:43liberia but great liberal will come to
37:46us
37:47and we accommodate them
37:49we try to make peace with killer people
37:52with whoever
37:54we got millions of people from that side
37:55and their parents were there
37:57oftentimes when they went there when
37:58these sovereignness were between me
38:00until they would kill them
38:02so i tried to modify myself by making
38:04peace
38:07so
38:10the ecomo came
38:12to me they took me to a boy and they
38:14brought point to me and they brought afl
38:17and they took some of our people to tell
38:19us that was the peace i'm talking about
38:20trying to make peace from all
38:22uncles
38:23so that situation was prevailing
38:26but what i want to touch here is that
38:29dr sawyer was very ungrateful to us
38:33very ungrateful
38:35when he printed a libertarian money
38:38when all girls go to
38:39when you know they had all tested they
38:41used to drive around when they make the
38:43money to go teacher to the new note they
38:45will see her from there and say why were
38:47you working before bringing your
38:48addictor
38:49you are a killer here
38:51that i used to see afs so they are
38:53working freely in the street without
38:55guns you won't take anything from there
38:57as far as my men come to town with
39:00uniform no gun then he would order the
39:02ecommerce they would grab there and put
39:03them in the container
39:05suffered them
39:06they were suffering my boys
39:10so one day i saw the group in front of
39:12my house on the beach
39:15la by general funny
39:17they say we have come to tell you
39:19that you're
39:21you know shocked people get back that's
39:23why you brought
39:24if you don't want to be president today
39:27then we'll fight you
39:29they brought one brother to me and said
39:30today today declares a president
39:33i said ah
39:34but you're saying sorry about i can see
39:36him i say but
39:37we already put him there
39:39and when i power the ball the ground and
39:41liberation rule
39:43and we support the earthquake peace plan
39:45i told the whole world i don't want to
39:47be president
39:49they always good to wait for your time
39:52and nobody i can be president if you go
39:54through ballot box
39:56no broken should determine the two here
39:58because the most part according to
40:02the two should be determined by the
40:03elect electricity
40:05when you vote you are president that's
40:06all that's what we're looking for here
40:09so when that time comes in the future
40:11when god desires it
40:13i can take it
40:15but not now
40:18they impress on me as okay
40:20no cannot
40:22we get 21 goes around to start right
40:24here you are free
40:27the fire firefighter gonna go i stand at
40:29me i present now
40:31so i stood
40:32i stood
40:33so they were giving me twenty one saluta
40:36because the whole the whole barracks
40:38were against me if i don't become
40:40president
40:41i should become president of god to
40:42replace fire
40:44that's right not good
40:47if i want to get on the bill
40:52to greet me one occasion they left us a
40:55vanity led one battalion they were
40:56shooting the black they all rolled they
40:58wanted to catch her
41:00and i said don't bring it up to me i
41:02sent people to bring fun in my force and
41:04with this bossy crowd
41:05so you come against it yeah a one dollar
41:07for you if you don't decrease your
41:09presence today that trouble that's okay
41:10yeah
41:13they fire the gun they fire they're
41:14going to fire the god 21 refuse
41:17they try everything away
41:21so i said okay
41:22now
41:24as i'm standing you fire 21 off one
41:27refuse now let me move when i move you
41:30to pow
41:31and they go on 40.
41:33it's not time
41:34[Music]
41:37so please let sawyer be the president
41:40they say but he's giving us her time eh
41:43i want he's selling ecommerce they see
41:45nobody
41:46they want to go to the band to train
41:47that's my money he'd do this he printed
41:50money and total he's thinking that we
41:52stole money now we keep the bank we're
41:54getting 8.7 million dollars he's not
41:56using about house america he enjoy
41:58himself the american drive and looking
41:59at fun on the bamboo
42:12he was forced upon them by uh
42:17you know you know most politicians
42:19politics is an act of governance but
42:22some people they get power conditioning
42:24and they don't know how to rule
42:26you know allen lima
42:29when rollins took over and said three
42:31months i turned over he turned over
42:33hallelujah never rested until he pulled
42:35rolling into the back because he was not
42:37comfortable with him
42:39when i moved through and pulled sawyer
42:41she was not commenting on me he created
43:04so that was a kind of condition
43:08we
43:09fought like i said for reasons
43:13and
43:15but
43:16for you to look at us
43:19as a troll maker
43:22and for me to move from here
43:24if i don't want to go to nigeria if i
43:26wanted to stay i want to stay
43:29because
43:31they were not fighting me your lima were
43:33not fighting me before your lima was
43:34organized in several whatever the name
43:36the other day
43:38peter
43:43[Music]
43:44they came to my office on british island
43:47peter naga and
43:49alejandra kruman he's listening to me
43:52they came to my office he said johnson
43:54i'm organizing you later to fight tell
43:57us not you
43:59he said because retire rewarding the man
44:01perpetuating this world
44:03he informed me
44:05hey if i were not interested in fighting
44:07again with me
44:10lpc were not fighting me they wanted to
44:12get the law out
44:13so
44:14lpc fights for receipt to get the
44:16dictator out
44:18julian fought for rishi to get out and
44:20when the politicians saw the powerful
44:22force that you limit they brought the
44:23vision among them you name okay
44:27we should stop that propaganda in the
44:29country
44:34we should stop
44:39those people
44:40who are here this country
44:43is so sweet though we don't have money
44:44but we are we we are rich with resources
44:48the world we fought what we've been
44:50through
44:51we don't want to see it happy here
44:54anymore
44:57so we need to reconcile
45:00but in our ability to reconcile every
45:02secret agenda is to establish a military
45:04a tribunal warcraft tribunal then you
45:07will point the nation by into cures
45:09because no one of you free
45:12not referee
45:14you start casting one two three four on
45:16the ground south africa did it
45:18successfully after a class very massacre
45:21soweto you see anywhere i may enjoy for
45:23crying there
45:27sorry
45:28apart from it you ain't good
45:31you only have
45:32trc install you look at rc
45:36i wanna arm and then put the trunk
45:37beside those
45:38who are facing the
45:40the un coat
45:44somebody free
45:47so for people to begin calling people
45:49that i treat each other with respect and
45:51dignity
45:53[Music]
45:56gave drugs to the person who practically
45:58mother job now holding degree everybody
46:01gonna see the cv
46:05people buying degrees
46:08during the campaign in in
46:10in guantanamo two master holders for
46:12party face me in debate i found them
46:18i fought them
46:20in a man itself
46:22a particular vision a mechanical
46:24engineer
46:25give it to you
46:34who is responsible for educating people
46:35here
46:38in the past governments treated our
46:40people that for which the electricity
46:42rate is so high
46:44then those of our onboard today should
46:46not
46:47prioritize cv
46:49as a means to improve people
46:52if a driver can drive very well
46:55have been driving 30 years 20 years
46:56getting a job helping the guy listen
46:59[Music]
47:04and let us create more jobs
47:08because a jobless nation
47:12a nation when half of its people get no
47:14jobs
47:18is difficult to survive
47:23is it difficult to survive how will you
47:24feed your children
47:26how will you take care of your own needs
47:30there's something that has been drawn to
47:31my attention
47:32that we've always been against
47:35for which
47:37that matter constitutive reasons were
47:40one of the reasons why we had to fight
47:43apart from
47:44that is also part of suppression
47:47[Music]
47:52people
47:56sucking people
47:58under that new
47:59brand design technology
48:03that's us then what are you obsessing
48:11we should promote this government
48:14by encouraging the president
48:16holding on
48:18with her
48:20to provide more jobs
48:23when some ministers i appointed they got
48:25to the minister they started who were
48:27there before
48:28[Music]
48:30say that qualifier
48:33if you move the people from that
48:34ministry if you do not if you're not
48:36replacing that or you'll never replace
48:38them then there should be dividends
48:40muslims require any more money
48:43the thousands of people that were
48:45downsized or
48:47and we do not replace them with people
48:49who we believe supported us to get to
48:51where we are there should be difference
48:56why aren't they require money no money
48:59and they
49:01we should encourage the
49:03the person has a positive idea
49:06but those who are around are blocking
49:08things from happening they for instance
49:10the rest market is not open the semi
49:12market is not open
49:15the gasoline market is not open
49:20in nigeria after a civil war they
49:22barefront guards and they control
49:23electronics they control many things
49:25they want to build houses on their own
49:27they
49:28have decent families they can feed their
49:30families if us ex-audience can see his
49:33family three times a day if he can have
49:36some money easily and get it from from
49:38from the far from where he's doing
49:41you have no problem
49:43we have no problem
49:46but the mentality that when america has
49:48no job he got nothing but his feeble he
49:51we he can't do nothing that's a better
49:54weaker way
49:56we should stop it
49:59i'm talking about
50:01i'm finished myself so i'm talking about
50:02the way forward but if there is any
50:04question regarding what i did not talk i
50:06came here purposely not to
50:09to waste your time
50:11but to state my role
50:13and you can notice that all of what i
50:15have said here was written in my memoir
50:18which couple i
50:19i i saw to people when i was telling
50:21them those days
50:22so
50:23everything i said
50:25orally it's all there but there's
50:27anything that i left out
50:29that i did not touch that you know you
50:31need to ask you are free i didn't
50:32comment on other people to start talking
50:34about our boring goal my play
50:3619 this one my my wife is also no i
50:39can't hear the point
50:42and
50:44so
50:46those are the things that i see
50:48can move us forward
50:50concerning the last thing is i know you
50:52want to ask about though
50:54i'll tell you already all what about the
50:56capture do
50:57you want to know what do is
51:00that is a question
51:01that need answer
51:03and i think everybody who want to know
51:05where to do is after the many years of
51:08war and peace start now
51:10i don't think i'll be having to
51:12kept in the cover
51:15i don't think that there will be
51:16somewhere nearby hit it somewhere
51:19after the dismaster do he was buried
51:26on the base
51:28and we had the inscription
51:30samikaya dude
51:33that's also so and alongside my command
51:35in general
51:38i
51:39took two things happened
51:42when i was here
51:43what happened when i left the country it
51:45never happened
51:48there's a high door somewhere like a
51:49highest secure i would have told justin
51:52dude let's go there because if the main
51:54one is whatever would you keep it what
51:56we do with the body
51:58the one who are here
52:00that the sorrow and your group
52:03a major propagandist
52:06propaganda
52:08group
52:10they were
52:11telling
52:12writing all sort of papers
52:14i'm a carnival
52:30and asked me all these questions
52:34and i called my base commander to tell
52:35the caterpillar to take them to the
52:37grave
52:39they wanted their grave they took the
52:41picture
52:42but they were not setting you could hide
52:44differently in the grill in different
52:45description
52:46so i asked that you burst the grave and
52:49to bring the
52:50body up the body of door was as high
52:54as a rock door was in barn for 25 years
52:58that's
52:59all the chemicals you had as a protein
53:08and they bought the grain and they dug
53:09it
53:10and we brought the body down and they
53:12took the picture
53:15so i asked that they should take him and
53:17bury him back
53:18and general vania mandeville said no
53:20one may can get to grief
53:22so they criminated him
53:24they bore him
53:25brought the body to arches and training
53:27in the river
53:46so to this end
53:49i
53:51have come to the end of my narration
53:55i was not in politics so i will not i
53:58never delve into
53:59political issues
54:02i dive into
54:04the crisis and my involvement
54:07i touch what i consider major issues
54:12and i would like to say
54:15in closing
54:18as i started earlier it's good to
54:20reconcile
54:22liberia is the only country we have
54:25we must try to swallow better pills
54:28clearly
54:29because it can help you to kill your
54:31malaria
54:34let us
54:35not
54:38open wounds
54:42what i said today i never told jackson
54:44though
54:46i just been judging what happened to do
54:50but as you come to the truth and
54:51reconciliation commission
54:54you must say exactly what you know
54:57and that's what i have done
54:59i'm on an oath
55:01i'm not like before i'm an evangelist
55:04i'm administrator
55:06yeah certainly
55:08yes
55:09you know you know sometimes people
55:10people laugh but you know paul
55:13paul
55:14you know who he was he persecuted the
55:16church
55:18and you know moses was a murderer
55:21when you fight while you kill
55:23moses was a murderer but he became
55:26a leader
55:28so don't take people by the past
55:31from the day i knew god fully in nigeria
55:34and agarodine as an evangelist my past
55:36is over
55:39and to the extent that people who
55:40thought i will stay a week or month in
55:42the liberal senate i will be aggressive
55:45they are disappointed
55:47and and when you when you read rubbish
55:50in the paper bring everyone to be his
55:51colleague the man was telling me that he
55:54opened the book i said with your degree
55:55i can beat you don't go for test then
55:58you start writing different things you
55:59don't do that
56:01so i want to say to all of you
56:04your commissioners
56:05distinguished police ladies and
56:07gentlemen fellow librarians all the
56:09nimba people who left last night in this
56:11morning
56:13the commissioner the paramount chiefs
56:16former members of the disbander in pfl
56:18and all great revolutionaries la model
56:21lpc who made this day possible for us to
56:23live to stand here god first second you
56:26if you hadn't moved the monster the
56:28devil from here the man who wanted me to
56:30stay in ezra and die i won't stand
56:32before you to speak
56:33i'll come to the end of my narration
56:34thank you
56:56what's your favorite
57:07silence
57:18shall we have it
57:21shall we have it choir please
57:27mr witness we want to
57:30want to thank you very much
57:34for coming before this commission
57:39and speaking to matters
57:42that lie within your setting knowledge
57:46in respect to your role
57:48your experiences
57:50and what transpired
57:51during our conflict period
57:54from 1985 to 1992
58:00we thank you very much for your
58:01presentation
58:04we take note of your recommendations to
58:06the commission
58:08and the series of events that occurred
58:11during that period
58:13in your narration of how they have been
58:16why they have been
58:18constituting the truth
58:21of what transpired
58:24we are convinced you have
58:26added value to our work
58:29and at this time commissioners will ask
58:31some questions
58:33so that maybe there are things they want
58:35clarification on or there are other
58:37events and matters
58:39you didn't touch on the cool bring it up
58:43so thank you very much thank you
58:44chairman
58:48commissioner
58:59[Music]
59:01senator
59:02prince will johnson
59:07for appearance before us today
59:11to give you a testimony
59:14[Music]
59:15in a very kind atmosphere
59:19so as to give us the opportunity
59:23[Music]
59:25to hear and know
59:27what really took
59:30place during the war
59:34and we want also perhaps on behalf of
59:37the trc
59:39to express our thanks
59:42and appreciation to the chiefs the
59:44others
59:46and citizens
59:49who thought it was to be present
59:53here today
59:56in hearing their son
59:58their brothers
1:00:00and their father
1:00:04we know from here
1:00:07each and every one of you were served
1:00:10as goodwill ambassador
1:00:12for the trc
1:00:15that the work of the trc is to fetch the
1:00:17truth
1:00:20and when the truth is fetch
1:00:23to decide
1:00:24how to reconcile it
1:00:27reconciliation
1:00:29can either be
1:00:33restorative justice
1:00:35a retributive justice
1:00:38depending the condition
1:00:41of the situation
1:00:43so this commission is not here
1:00:46to haunt anybody
1:00:48but is here to listen to people
1:00:52and to hear any new
1:00:53citizens of liberia and even foreign
1:00:56friends who are here
1:00:57please take this message
1:01:00to the other people
1:01:03mr witness
1:01:06in your testimony
1:01:08you give out
1:01:10a land out how you people
1:01:13[Music]
1:01:14left
1:01:15here to live here
1:01:18and you call many names
1:01:23my question was
1:01:25benjamin yetin
1:01:27among
1:01:29the first group or the group that went
1:01:31to live here
1:01:33was he part of it
1:01:35yes he was
1:01:37give us
1:01:40and he also said
1:01:43that before
1:01:45you enter
1:01:46on a territorial story of liberia
1:01:51he drew up
1:01:52[Music]
1:01:53in your own language you say we drew up
1:01:56guidelines
1:01:57[Music]
1:01:59that were governed controlled
1:02:02the activities of the soils
1:02:04both in the bushes
1:02:07and the towns
1:02:10now the question
1:02:11is who is the we
1:02:14[Music]
1:02:15he said in the revolution you don't say
1:02:17aye
1:02:18so we
1:02:20the leaders of the
1:02:22revolution drew out
1:02:23guidelines to govern the activity of a
1:02:25man in combat
1:02:26i didn't do it by myself
1:02:29he has to be a consensus by the
1:02:30leadership and all other you know the
1:02:32leadership includes the camaro himself
1:02:34that's me and
1:02:36other subcommanders but were you part
1:02:38and parcel of that i was
1:02:40okay
1:02:41at the time i had broken away
1:02:43i had to draw these
1:02:45galas in consultation with the
1:02:47leadership
1:02:48of my revolution
1:02:50so that we all agreed upon it and then
1:02:53not
1:02:54to be imposed but something that was
1:02:56generally acceptable
1:02:58by all of us
1:03:00who led
1:03:02the group the troop to liberia
1:03:05well we
1:03:06allowed it bamboo to add it
1:03:09and interplay i broke away so i had a
1:03:12separate group from kaplan
1:03:16you know what i'm talking about
1:03:18you you talk about the rules we
1:03:20understand that
1:03:21but the group that entered the
1:03:24territorial jurisdiction of libya
1:03:26actually i said earlier that uh
1:03:30route
1:03:31was black because of uh
1:03:34president mahmoud's behavior after
1:03:36having beaten order to to be beating mr
1:03:39taylor
1:03:40we decided on another option to pass
1:03:42through kureva
1:03:43[Music]
1:03:46that
1:03:47he had dispatched weapons across the
1:03:49border and when we crossed as one unit
1:03:51that we were all one npfl when we
1:03:54crossed we couldn't find weapons
1:03:56so the rest of the guys went back and if
1:03:58you wanted to follow me follow me it is
1:04:00that few that follow me
1:04:02and myself that carry on more
1:04:04recruitment of librarians on the side
1:04:07and i let them
1:04:10say that i was now
1:04:17did your rule
1:04:19provide
1:04:22any provision that in case of
1:04:24disagreement discontent
1:04:27how
1:04:28such disagreement discontent can be
1:04:31reserved you mean this contentment about
1:04:35the troops online
1:04:38before the formation of independent
1:04:40national patriotic party oh before then
1:04:43when we were one we make sure that we
1:04:45refer mana to the leadership we ever did
1:04:47what and did what we fought in
1:04:49leadership we never took a
1:04:51natural action on our own
1:04:54it was not until i became
1:04:57a leader of my own group
1:05:00what
1:05:01why
1:05:02that's entirely
1:05:04nice
1:05:06now let me conclude my question
1:05:08i'm asking when
1:05:11where
1:05:12and why
1:05:14an independent
1:05:16national patriotic
1:05:18front was established
1:05:26where we decided to break away from the
1:05:28the main group of mpfl
1:05:31and
1:05:32we broke away in top lane we
1:05:35named our group the independent national
1:05:37patrol front of liberia because we
1:05:39didn't want to completely do away with
1:05:41the name calling by brought
1:05:44we wanted to still maintain the name but
1:05:46mpf owner taylor
1:05:49i had to change
1:05:50i had to modify a little bit by putting
1:05:52the eye
1:05:53so they can know the difference between
1:05:54mpv and taylor and my group
1:05:58what was
1:06:01the leadership structure
1:06:03of the inpfl look like well we had
1:06:06the commander-in-chief as principal
1:06:09we had
1:06:11some funny deputy
1:06:14we had
1:06:16along the line battalion commanders
1:06:18combined commanders are captains platoon
1:06:20leaders
1:06:21uh liebtonans
1:06:23and of course the fourth
1:06:25fourth platoon leader who was
1:06:28first lieutenant
1:06:30and so forth
1:06:31we are the g2 the g3
1:06:33the g1 for
1:06:36personnel
1:06:37the g2 for intelligence g3 for training
1:06:39and planning
1:06:40and so forth
1:06:43you also talk about
1:06:46your contact with
1:06:49the late president do
1:06:52and you mentioned the name of one silly
1:06:54thompson
1:06:57who was this
1:06:59saliva transition how did you get to
1:07:01know him
1:07:03when
1:07:04did you know him
1:07:06well i didn't know sardines seemed much
1:07:08before the war
1:07:10but he's coming to meet me in 1993 when
1:07:13i had taken over bushva island
1:07:15was in that meeting was initiated by a
1:07:17diplomatic institution
1:07:19now i got to know him
1:07:31during your general testimony you talk
1:07:33about
1:07:36uh
1:07:37flabberga
1:07:38family and
1:07:41kodia
1:07:44we know these people to be
1:07:46of military oriented
1:07:49and he said that
1:07:52they were tried by
1:07:55uh a tribunal set up
1:07:57by
1:07:58iron pfl
1:08:00can you tell us how
1:08:04i mean what was the composition of this
1:08:06uh tribunal
1:08:07and who were the presiding chairmen
1:08:10okay
1:08:12we had a president chairperson
1:08:14and
1:08:16you know saw these these people in
1:08:18question
1:08:19when military men
1:08:21who were not
1:08:23part and parcel of our group but we
1:08:26extend our early leave to them who later
1:08:28betray us and when you betray a
1:08:30revolution then you must face a penalty
1:08:33and so they will get facing penalty
1:08:36so as to what the composition was
1:08:39uh it consisted of the the judge
1:08:42and and other relevant officers to carry
1:08:44out a co-master
1:08:47who was the presiding person
1:08:49he's dead now
1:08:52but can you give for history
1:08:56i was always to the front
1:08:58so he presided over with his deputy
1:09:01a court of officer school martial
1:09:08talking about the formation of ignore
1:09:14you said
1:09:16you were instrumental
1:09:20in the formation
1:09:23or
1:09:25the arrival of the interim government
1:09:28into liberia
1:09:30can you tell us how you were
1:09:32instrumental in both the formation
1:09:35and the arrival of the ignore here so i
1:09:38had to be you know in the first place
1:09:42i controlled central monrovia
1:09:45including duco
1:09:46there was no way for that government to
1:09:49have come here if i didn't get my
1:09:52indulgence if i didn't participate
1:09:54you know in gambia we were there in full
1:09:57and
1:09:59we
1:10:00went purposely in support of data sawyer
1:10:03and our last vote brought into power
1:10:05so even casting our vote for him
1:10:07he's been very much pro-voter in getting
1:10:10him here that's the role we play
1:10:14yeah you have talked about the arrival
1:10:16but i'm talking about the formation were
1:10:18you your organization even fully
1:10:21represented
1:10:22at the banjo and they participated
1:10:25in the formation they interact with
1:10:27myself yeah oh yeah i i was given a
1:10:30speakership position
1:10:32in fact i i sent noah butler to be the
1:10:36speaker
1:10:37and
1:10:39dr peter naga became the vice president
1:10:42i was given the youth and sports
1:10:44ministry and so forth
1:10:48i'm talking about representation those
1:10:50are the end results of the formation but
1:10:54before forming the interim government
1:10:57what that inpfl was represented at banjo
1:11:01that's why i'm so sir yeah we were in
1:11:03the banjo
1:11:04i sent
1:11:06my spokesman noah butler with specific
1:11:09instruction to vote for sire and we were
1:11:12fully represented we sent other
1:11:14colleagues of hours from our group we
1:11:16were there
1:11:18so
1:11:18it means
1:11:20you were part and parcel of the
1:11:23formation
1:11:24of the
1:11:26interim government and therefore if
1:11:28there's any credit
1:11:30or debit
1:11:32you are equally
1:11:33you have equal share in that
1:11:36well i i i better differ from that you
1:11:39have a leader stopper who could not
1:11:40listen
1:11:41and that's why i would prove an
1:11:42interview all of the interim government
1:11:44though i was part and parcel of this
1:11:46formation but the latter day that the
1:11:48circle would not listen in fact he began
1:11:50to marginalize us
1:11:51and then
1:11:53printing money with all our the nation's
1:11:55approval the money was not approved by
1:11:57the national legislation
1:11:59and the the signature to the money on
1:12:01the money was was was was put there by
1:12:04dr barantar who was not confirmed by the
1:12:07legislation so i think it's economic
1:12:09crime
1:12:11so i asked my people to pull out
1:12:14[Music]
1:12:15yeah that was disagreement that was very
1:12:17disagreement after the formation of the
1:12:20yes sir okay
1:12:23did you also take part in the
1:12:26national conference
1:12:28yes sir the old librarian conference i
1:12:30said that in my narration i took part at
1:12:33a time when i had it during the time
1:12:35when dr sawyer had appealed to me to
1:12:37nominate to re-nominate
1:12:39bishop ronaldis
1:12:41and i i agree with him but on the
1:12:43contrary i did different things by
1:12:45nominating peter naga which annoy him
1:12:48[Music]
1:12:50you talk about the wise man committed
1:12:55was this wise man committed
1:12:58part and parcel of the
1:13:01tla
1:13:02or were they
1:13:04ordinary citizens
1:13:06that get together
1:13:08as wise men well no i really can't say
1:13:11why he kept his many years in the
1:13:13mansion and called them wise men he gave
1:13:15them the name
1:13:17he gave them the name and i think they
1:13:19were doing some specific juices for him
1:13:21and that's why he called them wise men i
1:13:22never heard of a group in this country
1:13:24senator was born called wise men
1:13:26exclusive group in the presidency that
1:13:28the president consulted doing whatever
1:13:30he wanted to do they were there
1:13:34today you as senator
1:13:37responsible
1:13:39for making rules and regulations
1:13:42to promote fostered
1:13:45nurtured and sustained democracy
1:13:48and human rights
1:13:51well what will you see today
1:13:54from where you sit
1:13:56as to the way you treated
1:13:58the wise mail committee
1:14:00was within the scope of human rights and
1:14:04democracy
1:14:05where is caesar
1:14:07life was
1:14:10taken
1:14:12by people who should be keeping peace
1:14:15my men were slaughtered in cold blood by
1:14:17peacekeepers under the order of that
1:14:19desire
1:14:21hundreds of men were packed up in the
1:14:22container and point to death
1:14:25and the wise men then didn't move they
1:14:27right on the on the right footing
1:14:29so what i did i had no remorse
1:14:34and they removed
1:14:36if they had document to give me answers
1:14:38to my allegations or complaints they
1:14:41were sending to me on the base
1:14:43rather than moving me from amber to the
1:14:45martial to commercial to whom they begin
1:14:47to read answer
1:14:49and anything
1:14:50so i punished anyway i thought it would
1:14:51be better
1:14:52thank god that even less
1:14:56with the dead or my great men in combat
1:14:59i was confused
1:15:00i would have done anything to them
1:15:03but i come and sat down and i said well
1:15:05the only thing they would do is to drink
1:15:07to get more water
1:15:10as a well-trained
1:15:13military
1:15:15personnel
1:15:18what was the rationale behind
1:15:21you
1:15:23deciding or allowing
1:15:26[Music]
1:15:28the capture
1:15:30the trial
1:15:32and the death of the late president do
1:15:35to be on camera
1:15:37sir
1:15:38i have
1:15:39i forgot to bring it
1:15:41i have a video clip
1:15:43it used to be all on the market here
1:15:46when turbo was brutally used by germans
1:15:48it was televised
1:15:50that's why it's untipped
1:15:52when combat was adapted the sun appears
1:15:55i don't think they kill him whatever
1:15:56happened
1:15:57the exhibitor come back cutting him to
1:16:00pieces
1:16:02and sharing the paths
1:16:04so
1:16:05what they did to turbo
1:16:07uh the day they come by what did they
1:16:08come back up in the door
1:16:10everything that happened tomorrow was on
1:16:12camera
1:16:13when they put the titan people all
1:16:15people all people like that killed them
1:16:17and put a master it was on camera if you
1:16:19did it i have it
1:16:21i thought it wasn't my bear i was going
1:16:22to give it to you because i'm ready to
1:16:24as an exhibit to give you
1:16:26it's wrong
1:16:28when they say you'll leave your country
1:16:29i will finish everybody i will tell nemo
1:16:32to trust i could not allow that to
1:16:35happen with my childhood training in me
1:16:39i couldn't
1:16:47you start taking you back
1:16:50that
1:16:52you people travel to libya
1:16:54for training
1:16:56how long did you
1:16:59remain in libya
1:17:01while underground training
1:17:03fire was almost two years almost two
1:17:05years
1:17:07entire camp almost three years
1:17:11it is generally
1:17:13presumed
1:17:16that the rationale behind
1:17:18npfl declaring war against
1:17:22australia
1:17:23was because it hosts
1:17:25hosted
1:17:27ecomo
1:17:28and also actively participated
1:17:32in the formation of ecomo
1:17:34but in your statement
1:17:37you made us to understand
1:17:39that
1:17:40npfl vowed
1:17:42to fight
1:17:44[Music]
1:17:45the moment
1:17:47because he jailed mr taylor so that
1:17:51public
1:17:52presumption
1:17:54seemed to be the
1:17:56root cause
1:17:57of attacking celery
1:18:00please please repeat the statement
1:18:03so i can get the right answer
1:18:05you said
1:18:07when
1:18:09you people after your training
1:18:11i'm refreshing your man yes
1:18:14you decided to pass through sailing yes
1:18:18and
1:18:20momo said before
1:18:22you people come here
1:18:24my men that died in 1985
1:18:27incident
1:18:28you have to give something to the family
1:18:30that's correct fifty thousand dollars
1:18:32worth that's correct and the promise was
1:18:34made even houses were identified yes
1:18:38where the men will be that's correct for
1:18:40a short time
1:18:42and when he left
1:18:44taylor gave him money to do the
1:18:46repairing and renovation of the
1:18:48buildings
1:18:49later on he called him that come and
1:18:51inspect
1:18:53and when he came instead of inspecting
1:18:55the area he was arrested and detained
1:18:58that's correct and flunked every morning
1:19:00that's correct
1:19:01there were he met for the sunken that's
1:19:03correct there were certain samples
1:19:05decided
1:19:07to replace him
1:19:08in time of punishment that's correct all
1:19:11right
1:19:11when mr taylor returned back to libya he
1:19:14showed you his bike
1:19:17and how he was treated that's correct
1:19:20now it was from there that you people
1:19:23vowed
1:19:24that when you come to liberia you will
1:19:27fight
1:19:28ceremonies
1:19:29from a more true cereal
1:19:32that's correct yeah so my question now
1:19:34is it is not
1:19:37the perception that cerulean was
1:19:39attacked
1:19:40because
1:19:42it's hosted
1:19:43ecomo headquarters
1:19:45and participated but rather
1:19:49the mistreatment
1:19:50of mr taylor was there you see you see
1:19:53the honorary day
1:19:54the ecommerce
1:19:56being hosted in surrey that was
1:19:58later
1:20:00when terra was beaten
1:20:02they would never attack there were no
1:20:04national peacekeeping force on the
1:20:05ground
1:20:06so they attacked on surrendering i'm not
1:20:09going to justify
1:20:10but the attack would not have meant
1:20:12because could i have been still because
1:20:15of economic being on the ground no
1:20:17it was it was it was not the intention
1:20:20before i broke away
1:20:21because when i broke away i went to
1:20:23several rooms and told president mohamed
1:20:25every detail about the attack on his
1:20:26government and he asked me to go to
1:20:28nigeria to tell my guide he gave me a
1:20:30note
1:20:31so i was not in favor of attack on
1:20:32civilian but it was stellar being beaten
1:20:35by momo who decided that some momo his
1:20:38friend could take money for him and then
1:20:40put him to jail and flock him he would
1:20:42support the son of sullivan to attack
1:20:43somebody to get more out it was not
1:20:46ma'am
1:20:48but as at the time i was there this is
1:20:51what happened
1:20:52so when i broke away
1:20:55i had to go to saline to inform
1:20:58president mumu
1:20:59who
1:21:00requested of me
1:21:04[Music]
1:21:05to go to
1:21:06on my way to
1:21:08to
1:21:09nigeria i should tell mama
1:21:11and that's what i did
1:21:13and for that i
1:21:15in the bed to help momo i organized two
1:21:18battalions of strikeforce highly trained
1:21:21guys
1:21:22to go to
1:21:24to help
1:21:25but he said it was okay
1:21:28so
1:21:29that's the answer i can give
1:21:31is it true that you did not wounded
1:21:37lead
1:21:38inpfl
1:21:41as administrative leader but as military
1:21:44leader
1:21:45who
1:21:46was in a battlefront
1:21:49in carrying out the activities
1:21:52or the prosecution of the war
1:21:56if he is in in revolution
1:21:59the leader of the revolution doesn't
1:22:01step back and say people cheering
1:22:03sheikh rivera delisted because some
1:22:05people
1:22:07they were in the forefront you always
1:22:08say
1:22:09follow me
1:22:11and they follow you
1:22:12leaders true leaders true military
1:22:14leaders there are patterns they don't
1:22:16they don't step by the same people when
1:22:18they started their military careers
1:22:21the captain won't sit by the send people
1:22:23you're always there you're always there
1:22:25i said move on
1:22:27follow me
1:22:28so i never stayed behind i was always in
1:22:31the front it is when you are dead
1:22:33leading them that you see them by your
1:22:35side taking positions in strategic areas
1:22:38if you if you if you stay in the back
1:22:41just stay in the back
1:22:42if you are deployed then go along with
1:22:44them
1:22:46so i said one who leading
1:22:50your men
1:22:52and women in arm in the battlefront
1:22:56you are also charged with the
1:22:58responsibility
1:23:00of not only monitoring
1:23:03but also of instilling discipline that's
1:23:06correct that's all right
1:23:09my my men were not very large
1:23:12very small but effective
1:23:14very proficient
1:23:16and i had command and control over them
1:23:21the organization has been accused
1:23:25of killing
1:23:26one popular afl singer called robert two
1:23:32what is your defense that's not my
1:23:34knowledge roberto will know no single
1:23:36like that
1:23:38because afl
1:23:40came to me in the thousands
1:23:43many of them brought
1:23:45dilapidated weapons malfunction weapons
1:23:47also
1:23:48and we gave them new aks new m16s
1:23:51without fear that we shoot our backs and
1:23:53they were packed up behind my base the
1:23:55police director
1:23:56all of them somehow now retired so many
1:23:59of them
1:24:01they were merely based
1:24:02so we could not see ourselves
1:24:06uh being host to
1:24:08afs soldiers on my base they are the
1:24:10center killing a singer
1:24:13i think myself
1:24:14i had a band on my base when i come on
1:24:17battlefront i
1:24:19take the band and play and was singing
1:24:21so i would love to have him
1:24:23why would he kill a singer
1:24:27if i put if i ever sing and play guitar
1:24:30say yes though i'm still i'm getting old
1:24:32bastard sing so i would love to have him
1:24:36it is also alleged
1:24:39that
1:24:41a deputy
1:24:42director of police
1:24:44by the name of
1:24:46peter thomas
1:24:48[Music]
1:24:50and
1:24:50commissioner of custom
1:24:53by the name sam toody
1:24:56we're all killed
1:24:59by you
1:25:00i mean when i say your npfl
1:25:03well if they happen it may have happened
1:25:05when they come back at the freeport
1:25:07i think they were they were withdraw
1:25:10i'm sure we do but nobody asked police
1:25:13so there anyway soldiers who came to the
1:25:15base directly came those police who also
1:25:18surrendered they came in but i report a
1:25:20lot of people die
1:25:22and that was the world they caught me i
1:25:24won't be leaving today what about james
1:25:27jones of health eliza styles
1:25:32yeah specifically i won't say i don't
1:25:34know
1:25:36but those who died in combat
1:25:38either they were soldiers or they were
1:25:43they were traitors
1:25:45i really can't see
1:25:47my memory concerning that
1:25:49i can't remember
1:25:51those names
1:25:53i can't
1:25:55because you never asked me about fred
1:25:56blair other people are narrated have
1:25:58ever had come in contact with these
1:26:00people i will tell you
1:26:02or if i had any information
1:26:04anywhere i will tell you
1:26:06but that cannot be true
1:26:09what about senator
1:26:10barlow davis
1:26:12who sir senator barlow davis who
1:26:16was allegedly killed in looking town
1:26:20on a cotton tree
1:26:23i know of a pregnant woman that was
1:26:26accused by the soldier
1:26:27of selling rice he shot the woman and i
1:26:30executed him right there when i came
1:26:32it was public so i don't know about
1:26:33senator
1:26:36was
1:26:37a senator
1:26:38from well i don't i don't know that son
1:26:41officials or government you minister
1:26:43your senator whoever you are you come to
1:26:45the business and let us know who you are
1:26:47will secure you that's what other people
1:26:49did that's what bishop africa did that
1:26:51the afrikula did that's what piranha
1:26:53they serenade food did they develop they
1:26:55were over and raid
1:26:57of of of of officials
1:27:00so if he did not because at that time
1:27:03people were looking for people to set
1:27:05their own school's weight
1:27:06so if you did not come for safety if you
1:27:08are in an area
1:27:11that controlled by a specific fashion
1:27:13you make yourself available
1:27:15for secured for your own security if you
1:27:18did not do so and you got killed well
1:27:20and i have no knowledge of that what can
1:27:22i say because we went after soldiers we
1:27:24tried to settle schools
1:27:26we tried to settle all schools we said
1:27:28that's not what we're here for
1:27:30with the mpf briefly in uh their play
1:27:33they killed someone dingoes and i
1:27:34executed them remember i broke away
1:27:38so now i was able to tell you i freed a
1:27:40lot of my jingles that was not my issue
1:27:42to kill them i wrote a letter with my
1:27:45bloody hair
1:27:46to hold for boundary across the the
1:27:49shannon bridge and they were given try
1:27:51to go
1:27:52we were not here to kill people
1:27:54you you continue to make mention of
1:27:56family and
1:27:58a la roberta
1:28:01and you said that
1:28:03they were tried by tribunals
1:28:06what was the decision of the tribunal
1:28:08guilty
1:28:10with evidence the the motor was on china
1:28:13was doing communicating and though was
1:28:14talking to him when i interrupted
1:28:17his revolution
1:28:20in the revolutionaries if any of them
1:28:22betray
1:28:23their opponent measures set
1:28:26by that institution
1:28:27agreeable by all
1:28:30now anyone who comes in you know very
1:28:32well even the military if you if you if
1:28:35you
1:28:36you are the information giver to your
1:28:39processor you are as good as the enemy
1:28:41you are fighting
1:28:43because i i i had thought that fred
1:28:45blair would be like peter naga would be
1:28:47the cooler would be that food would be
1:28:49that many others
1:28:51that took refuge on my base charles
1:28:53green james green all these people
1:28:55natalia and petrie there were so many if
1:28:56i opened the body there's so many there
1:28:58you have the procedure people
1:29:00now
1:29:01if we give you this preference
1:29:04don't forget that we were trained to
1:29:06kill
1:29:07if we're not trying to kill him from the
1:29:09government when you fight when you kill
1:29:12and when we give you a ladies
1:29:15one man don't take too much
1:29:17that's what happened
1:29:18you would have thought better the people
1:29:21brought your revolution even if you
1:29:24why don't you stay in the mansion
1:29:27we'll give you some heavy water africa
1:29:29then you still decide to do
1:29:30communication secretly
1:29:33and the people broke you they brushed
1:29:34the door they took they took them
1:29:35whatever for you and brought you what do
1:29:37i do
1:29:39if we wanted to kill friend blade
1:29:42because we are blood tested the day are
1:29:45sewing and they finish
1:29:47but we saved the man two months after he
1:29:49were caught
1:29:52so what can we do a traitor
1:29:54we know that
1:29:57the reason why you set up the tribunal
1:30:00was to make sure that nobody
1:30:04is judged
1:30:05without due process
1:30:08and
1:30:09having
1:30:12contact
1:30:13with enemy
1:30:15in military language
1:30:17is one thing and the content the content
1:30:20of the contact is another thing whether
1:30:22it was in good faith
1:30:24like how
1:30:26a time was made to bring about
1:30:29a
1:30:32peace between you and though
1:30:35or what i was
1:30:37to identify
1:30:39your weak point to do
1:30:42can only be determined or could have
1:30:44gonna be determined
1:30:46if
1:30:47that fair trial was given
1:30:50so my question is was these
1:30:53people as military personnels as they
1:30:55were were giving those due process under
1:30:59the military there are who determines
1:31:02fair trial
1:31:04the lord
1:31:05we are the ones in betrayed
1:31:08we are the ones who have instituted this
1:31:10tribunal to investigate him to try him
1:31:13so who determines who greater
1:31:18you asking me i have to
1:31:20yeah the lord decides because you are
1:31:23alive
1:31:24when that the door was said as president
1:31:26commanding chief when he used to do that
1:31:42an institution called tribunal
1:31:45or the government determines
1:31:47because at the end of the day the man
1:31:49who the tribunal chairman will send it
1:31:50recommendations
1:31:52if the founder
1:31:53is a government
1:31:55okay so we don't have a further nomadic
1:31:59guerrilla role we don't have a j house
1:32:01to put people
1:32:04then a j house
1:32:06so we tried
1:32:08a criminal the one
1:32:10who we thought as a friend who will
1:32:12betray us and then we set up the
1:32:14tribunal
1:32:15to try for
1:32:18for being a trainer
1:32:20that's what happened
1:32:21so now when we saturday
1:32:23who now determine what is went through
1:32:25the investigation and when he ever the
1:32:27motorola on hand stay on the scene
1:32:29channel
1:32:30the owners don't want to start talking
1:32:31when i interrupted the conversation
1:32:34so that the tribunal man decided
1:32:37by virtue of the
1:32:38trial and the accumulated evidence he
1:32:41was brought
1:32:42what can you say
1:32:45about the killing of michael doe
1:32:48well michael doe is very pathetic very
1:32:50unfortunate
1:32:52there was a coincidence there was a big
1:32:54attack on our troops from banjo beach
1:32:57that's what i forgot to touch and thank
1:32:58you for the question there was a big
1:33:00attack on us at bantu beach where the
1:33:02few of our soldiers were caught in the
1:33:04surprise fire by the taylor group they
1:33:06have crossed from one side to the banjo
1:33:08beach to talk about opposition
1:33:10and there was a battle going on there at
1:33:12that time we did not know there was a
1:33:14a torso over drop by barcado and anna
1:33:18bradley anna bradley felt that the
1:33:20position she was holding that the mark
1:33:22that the ghost left her in it was it was
1:33:25the one
1:33:26that was that position was to leave her
1:33:28to take africa but unfortunately
1:33:31margaret took over so she kept
1:33:33complaining that she said to
1:33:35i better own now she said
1:33:37they had a call about themselves to
1:33:38africa she said margaret was not
1:33:40supposed to be the team personal manager
1:33:43or so she was supposed to be so that
1:33:45problem that was assessed between them
1:33:46and when the world that just was with
1:33:48the world
1:33:53[Music]
1:34:03and saw their bodies and wonderful
1:34:04civilians we were confused so margaret
1:34:07was shot we believed that he was
1:34:10involved but later on information also
1:34:12came that they were fighting over
1:34:13position
1:34:14so when i went into investigation
1:34:16who called himself
1:34:21[Music]
1:34:31doing when let's run away
1:34:35because rely on this man
1:34:38he said that's about war
1:34:39you face the world we don't have time to
1:34:41investigate gun shooting everywhere
1:34:43bazooka firing and you see that this man
1:34:45brought in this man
1:34:47not knowing that the man did not bring
1:34:48anybody everywhere because the position
1:34:50you only got you want the position you
1:34:52think where you are is is the one that's
1:34:55supposed to guarantee where you're
1:34:56supposed to be do you know her what
1:34:58about now she was in nigeria i don't
1:35:00know
1:35:01she was taken to nigeria
1:35:04what is her full name
1:35:06anna bradley she was a queen for
1:35:08liberals
1:35:09[Music]
1:35:12what about edwin v
1:35:14who came from freighter no anyway yeah
1:35:18was your journey yeah
1:35:20no the everyday was killed
1:35:22alongside joining me by
1:35:24very much
1:35:26i
1:35:28i come from nigeria but i was still in
1:35:29nigeria i still know i'm talking about
1:35:31the edwin v
1:35:34was in sierra leone everybody was one of
1:35:36the groups one of the the person in the
1:35:38group that was treating libya by my
1:35:40family roman family trained these guys
1:35:43in libya with an intent to reveal
1:35:44liberia and they were doing her weapons
1:35:47they were difficult to come because we
1:35:49were already here so he sent three guys
1:35:51to members of civilians who were trained
1:35:54in
1:35:55in military factories in liberia and
1:35:57they came to members to
1:35:59move sufficiently territory to take over
1:36:01so they were arrested and tried and i
1:36:03would we ask them that the hours are
1:36:05myself we're answering
1:36:07liberals
1:36:14don't you know that there's a leader
1:36:16here
1:36:17one formula did not address illegal to
1:36:19me
1:36:20you know i said why family did not
1:36:22address a letter to me that he sent you
1:36:24you found me a formula for a different
1:36:25kind you guys grew through libya i got
1:36:28my own group so for you to come if you
1:36:30were transparent you had written me a
1:36:31note and said brother we are one from
1:36:34the revolutionary uh
1:36:36era i mean cam you know when monrovia
1:36:39you
1:36:39you are there i'm on another side there
1:36:41is no way to come i was telling you your
1:36:43brothers
1:36:44that letter of introduction would have
1:36:46been better it did not they are called
1:36:48at the start
1:36:49and i asked you if you knew about these
1:36:51people he said the number
1:36:53so i said okay
1:36:55you added me from here now and go back
1:36:59to where you come from or in
1:37:02the first phase of crime when you are
1:37:03caught here you'll be there with
1:37:06so before
1:37:08nobody know where they were they might
1:37:09say they were saying the beast
1:37:11so what they were doing
1:37:13this is a military base we are fighting
1:37:15war
1:37:16you are three in libya and gorillas are
1:37:19trained to be sensitive
1:37:21and you come to my voice we're on with
1:37:23all enemy people from formula and even
1:37:25everyone are not from families i would
1:37:27be very skeptical
1:37:29because the intent would be stay here
1:37:31and attack inside and invite me
1:37:35so what i did for we ought to respond to
1:37:38him messiah i told him that they were
1:37:40portraying libya and they come here to
1:37:42the base without talking about anything
1:37:44you know family can you find out do you
1:37:46know about this person don't know so we
1:37:48died with them the next one was going
1:37:50straight from there
1:37:52i have nothing to hide
1:37:54there are three ingredients
1:37:58okay you said
1:38:02in your previous statement
1:38:05that when you got to
1:38:07mutual
1:38:09it was during the alimony hour
1:38:11and there was a muslim
1:38:14who was going to the mouth
1:38:17and you're sent for him he came to you
1:38:19he's one of the signing children the
1:38:21woman in brutal reconciling yeah one of
1:38:23the children i think they are still
1:38:24there they're still there
1:38:26yeah just do that
1:38:28but
1:38:29where is he now they're still there you
1:38:31go to ask him they're still there
1:38:33nobody's done anything to him he didn't
1:38:35trick us he even better get more arms
1:38:38here's more even
1:38:40but we make sure that we got rid of them
1:38:42from the camp mutual
1:39:00and let me let me just
1:39:03conclude a question i forgot i want you
1:39:05to know that the adrian verdes they were
1:39:07all militants
1:39:08these were not civilians
1:39:10they were all militants trained in
1:39:12military attackers to survive any
1:39:14government to survive any institution
1:39:16dismantle people organization
1:39:18so such general character if you sleep
1:39:20on my behalf see i don't know why you're
1:39:22there i'll give you
1:39:25mr witness
1:39:28i want to say to you thank you very much
1:39:30for coming
1:39:32to participate in this process
1:39:36as strong is my confession that
1:39:40citing individuals
1:39:42organizations and groups
1:39:45are very important
1:39:47to this process which
1:39:50we are trying to put together as a
1:39:52result of the same
1:39:54group of people
1:39:56who met in accra
1:39:58as a way forward
1:40:01he said you came here in obedience
1:40:04to your conscience
1:40:16thank you very much
1:40:18for
1:40:19listening to the call of your people
1:40:22you also said that you did not know many
1:40:25years back
1:40:26that there would be a trc
1:40:30you came here not to contend
1:40:33but to make amendments
1:40:35you confirm that
1:40:36[Music]
1:40:38i read the amendment already you've made
1:40:40amendments i made a memory in the
1:40:42explanation the narrative by
1:40:45dr formula he did not say
1:40:48whether there was a cool guitar in the
1:40:49cool day brought a gas though ah clarify
1:40:52that yeah so there was that moment away
1:40:54to me
1:40:55okay are you enjoying this explanation
1:40:57their memory is that he didn't tell you
1:40:59he starts just behind the back
1:41:01but he did
1:41:03all right okay
1:41:04that's the amendment you were talking
1:41:06about what the people left out
1:41:08i thought also
1:41:11that
1:41:12you would want to make amendments for
1:41:14instance you apologize to citing people
1:41:17for
1:41:18what you did to them
1:41:20you said 1985 prince johnson was an
1:41:23online soldier
1:41:262008
1:41:27between 200
1:41:291985
1:41:31to present
1:41:32christians it happened many things
1:41:35including an evangelist
1:41:37and so forth
1:41:39you
1:41:40talk about uh
1:41:47i became ordained in nigeria after the
1:41:50crisis
1:41:51you think i haven't gone through
1:41:52theological similarity since you came to
1:41:56liberia i was not an evangelist before
1:41:59the war okay all right after the war
1:42:06one thing you said
1:42:09that the revolution began to eat its own
1:42:12babies
1:42:14so those who came and and thank you for
1:42:16clarifying because from what we see
1:42:20that although you all came on this
1:42:22expedition with this hope
1:42:24but it was just through the intervention
1:42:25of god and fit in chance because you all
1:42:28didn't really have weapons so to speak
1:42:31so we got that facts known clear
1:42:35you talk about sawyer and the interim
1:42:38government and
1:42:39many times you talk about it so you can
1:42:42see
1:42:42that about the interim government being
1:42:45formed before do die
1:42:48but
1:42:49we can see that you cannot avoid
1:42:51yourself from this interim government
1:42:53because
1:42:55or in a speech delivered on october 20
1:42:581990 by dr sawyer
1:43:01and i will quote forbidden from this
1:43:03speech
1:43:04he said
1:43:06all the political parties of liberia and
1:43:09other others
1:43:10representing professional organizations
1:43:14an array of liberian interest group and
1:43:16concerned citizens of liberia
1:43:19from around the world
1:43:21as well as an eight-man delegation
1:43:24consisting of senior representatives of
1:43:27the independent national patriotic front
1:43:30of mr prince roy johnson are present
1:43:33unhcr stellar national patriotic fund
1:43:37to attend this all-important meeting to
1:43:40decide the future of liberia
1:43:43conference
1:43:45that was when he spoke
1:43:47october 20
1:43:491990 in a speech
1:43:52why would i speak the liver
1:43:54tiller in bonjour
1:43:58did you have an eight-man when you all
1:44:00went to that conference in yeah
1:44:03did you have an eight-man delegation
1:44:05then yes
1:44:07okay so uh he impressed you there i may
1:44:10went further to see there was a lot of
1:44:11manipulation too maneuvering to even get
1:44:15him
1:44:17elected
1:44:19and i think they also at the same time
1:44:21they constituted the government and gave
1:44:23uh
1:44:24taylor sees which he didn't appear and
1:44:27he gave you deputy
1:44:28speaker
1:44:30so they also gave you voice chairman
1:44:32vice president or but they came from
1:44:34deputy speaker no they gave me the
1:44:36speakership
1:44:37the speech
1:44:39president sawyer did i mean taylor
1:44:41didn't appear so they gave you
1:44:44speakership
1:44:45who was a speaker who did nora butler
1:44:49who
1:44:49noah butler was in the united states now
1:44:52okay
1:44:54so
1:44:55i want to say that maybe perhaps that
1:44:58the the
1:44:59interim government did not comply with
1:45:02what is of internal objective was on
1:45:04that time because there were four things
1:45:06they were supposed to do
1:45:08bring abroad and enter the hostility
1:45:12and destruction initialize and property
1:45:15restore law and order and create
1:45:17conditions for the return to civil life
1:45:20uh lawyer the foundation for a new
1:45:22political social and economic order in
1:45:25liberia and to conduct free and fair
1:45:28election honor the international
1:45:30supervision within 12 months of course
1:45:33the state 12 they didn't understand four
1:45:35years yes
1:45:37government
1:45:39objectives
1:45:40that's what i'm saying that was the four
1:45:42things along the wall they gave to do
1:45:44within one year to remain in power but
1:45:46they stayed for four years and they made
1:45:49more money they stretched
1:45:51a new currency and you spoke up on that
1:45:54the only thing i want to ask you
1:45:57you started naming names of people who
1:46:00people asked that were killed that have
1:46:02been controversy
1:46:04and also
1:46:05she just asked about
1:46:07michael drew and you gave the
1:46:09explanation
1:46:10about how margaret was killed so i'm
1:46:13sure the family members endured his
1:46:15daughter came here from the us yeah the
1:46:17daughter came here and met me with uh dr
1:46:20saleef in fact i was in town when doctor
1:46:22salive
1:46:23may still rest in peace he called me and
1:46:24said he wanted to see me and i met this
1:46:27young girl from the u.s and she began to
1:46:29cry and told me
1:46:30i thought
1:46:32all alone i blame you but it's not you
1:46:34it's somebody who let my father into the
1:46:36trap
1:46:37and that's the fact
1:46:39i just got a letter august 26 at 1 20
1:46:43jess and you saw me opening dear pearl i
1:46:46asked you to please let me know when
1:46:48prince johnson would be appearing i need
1:46:51to know if i can come and ask him just
1:46:53one question thanks clara to
1:46:56her last name m-u-d-g concerning the
1:46:59scene though yes but i'm sure before i
1:47:01could even ask you when chick asked you
1:47:03clarify that so
1:47:05i'm sure thank you how about can you
1:47:08tell us about cleveland garden and the
1:47:10former police director tillman and a
1:47:13light skinned fella no chad mcgardner
1:47:15was caught in a crossfire drupal okay
1:47:19because that's how he made it
1:47:21yes he was calling us in the crossfire
1:47:23okay
1:47:24thank god
1:47:25you were caught in a street bullet
1:47:28thank you very much uh also
1:47:30did i understand you are serving as a
1:47:34member of parliament of ecuadors
1:47:36i am a member of the political affairs
1:47:38peace and security committee and also
1:47:40chairman of the universal service direct
1:47:43elections of air quotes parliament this
1:47:45this committee
1:47:47is
1:47:48comprised of 15 14 persons including
1:47:51liberia 15 and we are responsible for
1:47:54direct elections into aqueous parliament
1:47:56so i'm the chairman
1:47:59thank you very much mr johnson
1:48:02the world to peace and democratic
1:48:04election in liberia was significantly
1:48:07obstructed by factional
1:48:09disagreements suspicions
1:48:11and non-cooperative spirit
1:48:15we can see that through your testimony
1:48:18that happened what you have been able to
1:48:20bring for
1:48:21but we thank god at africa we have the
1:48:24african charter on human rights
1:48:26human people rights
1:48:29which reality
1:48:31it's a new way
1:48:32new medium through which different from
1:48:34our approach in this chapter is
1:48:37different from international instruments
1:48:40because they rarely talk about rights
1:48:42and inseparable with duties
1:48:45thank you very much
1:48:47i have no more questions to ask
1:48:49thank you commissioner
1:49:05so
1:49:18please
1:49:28god
1:49:29thank you
1:49:30for your father
1:49:34speaking to me
1:49:38as i speak
1:49:44can we have it a little bit quiet please
1:49:53[Music]
1:50:00thank you very much senator johnson
1:50:04thank you very much
1:50:10some of the issues actually regard to
1:50:12our save our conflict
1:50:17my question would be based on
1:50:21because knowing that there are a lot of
1:50:22made a misconception concerning some of
1:50:25the issues that actually went on during
1:50:27the course of our conflict
1:50:28i will be asking you some questions so
1:50:30that you'll be able to clarify them for
1:50:33me
1:50:35initially you talk about
1:50:37the 300 children that will come in the
1:50:40way
1:50:41i guess this is something that happened
1:50:43during the nema read
1:50:45is that correct no the name of ray was
1:50:48in 1983
1:50:49okay so the 300 children have been
1:50:51helping
1:50:53before the invasion before the invasion
1:50:55yeah
1:50:57who are responsible for that the regime
1:50:59those people
1:51:01okay
1:51:02[Music]
1:51:04and do you know what happened to the
1:51:07mother you need to talk about the
1:51:08children
1:51:09these ruthless soldiers got into neymar
1:51:11county and just grabbed the children
1:51:13from their mother's bosom and parked and
1:51:14they tried to run to morovia
1:51:16using monetary force excessive force
1:51:19what would the mother do
1:51:21they were left helpless and crying
1:51:27thank you very much for that
1:51:28clarification thank you
1:51:31do you have any ideas so what really the
1:51:33number on the number rate though you
1:51:34didn't testify on anything concerning
1:51:36the number rate
1:51:38can you well the name i read you know
1:51:40one conqueror was
1:51:43asked to leave his commanding general
1:51:45position to the secretary general
1:51:47if not he will be fired
1:51:50and he refused
1:51:52because
1:51:54when the 17 men plotted to remove
1:51:57trouble
1:51:59though was the only highest ranking
1:52:00person
1:52:02meaning he would be the leader of the
1:52:04the head of state but when they went to
1:52:06execute the plan
1:52:09though when had him sent a flower bush
1:52:12so they could have failed though did not
1:52:14ever be part empowered people
1:52:17so before going to execute a plan they
1:52:19choose what they wanted they all agreed
1:52:21to make those day the president come
1:52:23back with the command in general
1:52:25so though i know even though there's a
1:52:27rather true so i see no reason why do i
1:52:30have to remove him from your commander's
1:52:32position to the other secretary general
1:52:34so one person no you didn't give me my i
1:52:37made you president
1:52:38when was saying harry johnson other
1:52:40people refuse
1:52:42and you should not be the head of still
1:52:44because you you weren't hiding yourself
1:52:46in the bush in the flower bush you would
1:52:48have failed will be executed you will be
1:52:50free
1:52:51now you want to remove them for you i
1:52:52will not take
1:52:53if you prefer dismiss me
1:52:55so when he got the space
1:52:57and he went to bc we were there that
1:52:59night we gathered one about throughout
1:53:01the night
1:53:02and some other
1:53:05disgruntled soldiers felt that quampa
1:53:07was being too diplomatic and that the
1:53:10only time there was
1:53:13so these guys don't need the money they
1:53:14want to compare support cash and guns he
1:53:18refused so they went to lambcor to cut
1:53:20away
1:53:21the money
1:53:22to mobilize forces to do what he wanted
1:53:25to do but my what my thinking is if you
1:53:28want to drop the monrovia if you see the
1:53:31government why go to alamku so i just
1:53:34assumed that they went to steal money
1:53:36there were rocks
1:53:38and the main
1:53:44[Applause]
1:53:45the few who launched the november raid
1:53:48were gotten rid of but others who didn't
1:53:50know any marie
1:53:51were killed in cold blood by
1:53:57you can't want you can't want to stage
1:53:59your crew by going to neighbor your
1:54:01hometown
1:54:02why don't you go here if you die your
1:54:03dive is a seat
1:54:07so that's it
1:54:08thank you very much for that
1:54:09clarification thank you
1:54:16and during that time
1:54:19one general rubber city former
1:54:21superintendent of nimba
1:54:23and a close friend of bo and koam party
1:54:26your honor madam i would like to
1:54:28restrict myself to what i explained so
1:54:31you ask questions irrespective of what
1:54:33i've said
1:54:34thank you very much
1:54:36[Music]
1:54:39okay now going back to
1:54:41your testimony
1:54:44you talk about the truth
1:54:48that was signed and then you said that
1:54:50salive drafted it and you did some
1:54:52amendment
1:54:54and in the truth
1:54:56you agreed that both of you agree that
1:54:58ecomorph should be i mean you should
1:55:01rather get rid of ecomorph
1:55:03yes that was a consensus yes
1:55:08it's evident by the fact that daw also
1:55:11accused eccomo of being a cia creation
1:55:15it's always a record for that
1:55:18but yet after that and
1:55:23we noticed that september 9
1:55:25though drove
1:55:27to
1:55:29the port
1:55:30and from information when he entered the
1:55:32port he never carried any arm he was
1:55:35disarmed at the gate
1:55:37and then on entering later on you came
1:55:40and that time you will still honor the
1:55:42truth that the truth said that those
1:55:45shouldn't visit
1:55:47your area you should visit but with the
1:55:51with the acquisitions of the commander
1:55:54in the area
1:55:56if i wanted to go to bc i should let him
1:55:58know
1:56:00if he wanted to come to me i should be
1:56:02informed
1:56:04other people also testified before this
1:56:06commission
1:56:07telling us that
1:56:09during it at the diaspora hearing that
1:56:10there was an agreement
1:56:12between taylor i am pfl and do to
1:56:16provide a corridor for those who depart
1:56:18for those departure can you comment i
1:56:21i have no idea of
1:56:24a meeting where it was discussed about
1:56:28discussions took place about opening
1:56:30corridor i only heard that rubbish from
1:56:32a cohen
1:56:33i was in the battlefront i'm sorry to
1:56:35say rob because nonsense
1:56:37he came into the u.s embassy and told me
1:56:39before you came here we have agreed with
1:56:41charles taylor to open corridor for
1:56:43go to power with his family and he
1:56:45troops
1:56:46now you came and blocked the whole rule
1:56:48so we're asking you to please open
1:56:50i asked him what happened to my faith he
1:56:52said when taylor shall become president
1:56:54with this kind of faith that one left
1:56:55his presence
1:56:57with anger and left because there were
1:56:58gun firing there was going on at a
1:57:02a clear era there
1:57:04and i heard my men were there so i had
1:57:07to go to reinforce the strength so that
1:57:10i told you i said you don't know what
1:57:11you're coming for i'm an open corridor
1:57:14let the dog go then terror can't take
1:57:15over
1:57:16as president then he began to compromise
1:57:19my future with taylor
1:57:21i got all the talent machine guns i
1:57:23can't use it i'm gonna dash it to you
1:57:24then you arrange my future i can't do it
1:57:28that's when i left
1:57:31so the meeting took place in the united
1:57:32states i was not part of it but i was
1:57:35informed by kohen and peter divorce
1:57:38[Music]
1:57:39irrational male or incoherent men
1:57:42we agreed to compromise the future
1:57:44i was never coherent
1:57:47incoherent i was coherent if i were
1:57:49inquiring as charged by as our child
1:57:52back
1:57:53going i will compromise my tomorrow
1:57:56but i refused i mean i guess
1:58:03now you talk about former president do
1:58:07how he was captured and killed by the
1:58:10people that are accompanying him to the
1:58:11put can you tell us what's happened to
1:58:13them
1:58:16people that are accompanying duel to
1:58:17their puts
1:58:20madame
1:58:21i i don't know where thomas guampa and
1:58:24the civil unions and the liberians that
1:58:25came
1:58:26i don't know where they are
1:58:28those who went to report and there was a
1:58:30state of combat
1:58:32i cannot count
1:58:40i cannot account
1:58:43for the other side in combat
1:58:46in combat when
1:58:48when when
1:58:49when when there is a combat and after
1:58:52that you account for your men
1:58:55missing action dying action
1:58:57and a wonder action
1:58:59like an other capture or so but i cannot
1:59:02be accountable for the rest of the
1:59:03soldiers that went
1:59:05they were left there with the ecommerce
1:59:06soldiers
1:59:08so you also they
1:59:10when vietnam who comes here anytime or
1:59:12when arab workers are asking what
1:59:14happened to the story that were there
1:59:17how can i come for them i can only come
1:59:19from my mind
1:59:21that was wrong
1:59:24and some people say they did this and
1:59:28i'm not aware of that if they disarmed
1:59:30though they don't know where the guns
1:59:31they are came from
1:59:33into this arm though maybe that's a true
1:59:35story because the truth said we should
1:59:37join to fight
1:59:38and when dory entered with guns the
1:59:40fight he came to fight them
1:59:42maybe they disarmed them with the other
1:59:44heavy weapon and left the light weapons
1:59:47if they left the light weapon would then
1:59:49piss stuff into 45 caliber pistol and
1:59:51other weapons then uh that's it they had
1:59:54guns
1:59:57and the ecommerce
1:59:59the akuma had all the military capacity
2:00:03to protect though
2:00:04and his men
2:00:06and then
2:00:07whose question to answer
2:00:11everything
2:00:12you are here
2:00:13as an honorable commissioner you move
2:00:16very well
2:00:17there back to someone here
2:00:20was president in gambia
2:00:22where the echoes came in was the one
2:00:24controlling
2:00:32[Music]
2:00:35[Applause]
2:00:38those
2:00:41[Music]
2:00:42not to intervene
2:00:44and let me tell you also the president
2:00:47of cereal who became the host of ecomo
2:00:50before coming here
2:00:52the three people in this country in
2:00:54ecuador to go to mumu
2:00:56and when they were shooting at the state
2:00:58house
2:00:59and asked the ecommerce for help
2:01:03akuma said
2:01:05this is internal matter
2:01:08we will not intervene but what we can do
2:01:11for you
2:01:11is here is a helicopter get inside
2:01:15no more say oh so i roasted y'all
2:01:18and i'm only attacked by a valentine's
2:01:20stressor that my father appears they're
2:01:22going to shoot you in again the
2:01:23helicopter quickly
2:01:24so he carried him guinea
2:01:26they restored valentine's
2:01:28stressor
2:01:33of the regime on nigeria at that time
2:01:36you answered
2:01:38the government at that time
2:01:40favored a remover
2:01:42they said no intervention
2:01:44you were yesterday crisis
2:01:47then
2:01:47while they were dead there was a foreign
2:01:49conference i think in canada or
2:01:50somewhere and after two century was
2:01:53against nigeria under a bachelor machine
2:01:56and valentine's translator didn't play
2:01:58his game where he spoke in favor of
2:01:59central against his maker
2:02:02so he came
2:02:03got angry and throw a dominated album
2:02:25[Music]
2:02:33so the question around they did not
2:02:34intervene in liberia i would say because
2:02:36they had
2:02:37sando off the book
2:02:40they have signed though off the boat
2:02:43scratched his name off the midst
2:02:46and the women now were interested in
2:02:47that destroyer and the new interim
2:02:49government okay
2:02:52thank you for that information god bless
2:02:54you
2:02:55okay my next question will be based on
2:02:57how the civilian were treated in your
2:02:59control area who
2:03:01the civilian how they were treated
2:03:03fantastic there were lights there were
2:03:05water
2:03:06new brutal west point clariton central
2:03:09monrovia everywhere fender
2:03:11feed that camper were way down there we
2:03:13carry food we did everything for them we
2:03:15provided trucks to bring into monrovia
2:03:17but i understand that one paul k william
2:03:20former principal of well has some high
2:03:22school was on your base and he was shot
2:03:26by him
2:03:27[Music]
2:03:32he was my friend
2:03:33in fact paul williams in 1969
2:03:36came along with a group of white and
2:03:39black americans on the the the team gave
2:03:42god a chance campaign it was a doctor
2:03:45our baptist in the pavilion when they
2:03:46had a crusade
2:03:48and we we when they left to go to
2:03:49america we opened the gas station on
2:03:51sunday street here as i was telling that
2:03:53small outside house before we brought
2:03:55back in street from the towers
2:03:56she was my best friend a good pastor but
2:03:58he had his own fault with his own people
2:04:01he was loving the wrong girls
2:04:05there was another father andrew maya who
2:04:07worked for paul and didn't pay him
2:04:09and i was uptight when paul when the guy
2:04:11wanted to pull the toilet but he pulled
2:04:13dragging with the voicemail he had put
2:04:15him on his own problem and when i
2:04:16received power on the base and trying to
2:04:18leave monrovia and he told me he
2:04:20probably was after him to leave my river
2:04:22to go to hot africa again food again car
2:04:25another problem that happened with it i
2:04:27don't want to remain where he was if he
2:04:28wanted to see me i would go there he
2:04:30should call me he had escort
2:04:32but i was told he came to the base to
2:04:35see me and stop him for seeing me
2:04:37probably those who offended fell i was
2:04:39giving him to my courtesy too much honor
2:04:42so you might have seen this
2:04:44this uh andrew myers
2:04:46he got no job he wanted a job from the
2:04:48same trash he went there to make himself
2:04:50go he told the people that preached he
2:04:52killed me but paul williams did not do
2:04:54anything to me that will i was not a
2:04:56soldier but will he never drag me we
2:04:58have no call in my left hand
2:05:00andrew what matter i want to do a
2:05:02powerpoint will then drag are you answer
2:05:04me other students will join us in the
2:05:06revolution and their girlfriend were a
2:05:08girlfriend using money from the church
2:05:11okay
2:05:12so he said i don't know
2:05:14i had to go to the chat to explain
2:05:16i had to call the elder to tell and say
2:05:18maher in public because you're going to
2:05:20tell the truth the man was a pastor but
2:05:22why would i kill the pastor
2:05:26thank you for that clarification
2:05:30during the course of the conflict
2:05:32you will agree with me that
2:05:35fools are the traditional leaders
2:05:38to try to prepare their children in
2:05:40terms of protecting them
2:05:43so that maybe
2:05:45they can withstand the bullet and other
2:05:47things
2:05:48but they are information that
2:05:52the medicine made that work with lnpfl
2:05:57was killed for protecting them after you
2:06:00receive your protection you are pro
2:06:02medicine ninth and you are protected
2:06:04nine times
2:06:05but the other people couldn't receive
2:06:07their large protections can you comment
2:06:09on that
2:06:11god is the best protection i saw people
2:06:14receive dying by my side i don't trust
2:06:16it
2:06:18so i don't know what you're talking
2:06:19about
2:06:48so
2:07:08next question mr witness maybe this
2:07:10would be my last question okay
2:07:16in 1991
2:07:20mpeta was removed from bomb mines
2:07:25why prince prince ui and pfl went obama
2:07:30and a group of nimba citizens want to
2:07:32appeal
2:07:33to the leader to reconnect himself with
2:07:36child sailors so that they could
2:07:38fight the war this investigation carried
2:07:41chicken as a son of clear heart
2:07:44for mr johnson
2:07:46johnson was the leader of infl break
2:07:48away fracturing from charleston are
2:07:49quite angry with this nimba citizen who
2:07:52are requesting him to john taylor to
2:07:54fight the war
2:07:56against former president doom as a
2:07:58result of his anger he johnson collected
2:08:01all of these his troubled men
2:08:03lined them up and killed them every one
2:08:05of them
2:08:06can you comment on that
2:08:08madam
2:08:10there was no such thing like neymar
2:08:12people bring him in chicken
2:08:15we were far away a person coming towards
2:08:19bombers
2:08:21bulma was fully operating
2:08:24unless ismar was in berman
2:08:27as a musa was in burma
2:08:31there were all involvements
2:08:32there was a place of merrimack
2:08:35so with some reconnaissance
2:08:37they have set ambush all on the road
2:08:40so that if we came in contact with any
2:08:42other men they would be prepared in time
2:08:44to set up the heavy machine guns
2:08:46so with some reconnaissance with
2:08:48specific instructions to know for where
2:08:50the generator was
2:08:52to know for where i said musa he was
2:08:53sleeping and everything
2:08:55don't forget that these people were not
2:08:57in uniform the course
2:08:59they were in civilian club with ak
2:09:03they were not they were not dressed as
2:09:05soldiers
2:09:06in some revolutionary groups they are in
2:09:08uniforms
2:09:09the external group he decided to put his
2:09:11men in playing clueless civilians so
2:09:13when government to remove terror people
2:09:15they will begin to suspect since
2:09:17him for nothing that was not in our case
2:09:20so we came that night we bypassed the
2:09:22checkpoint the very champion i was able
2:09:24to notice or to fire before they get
2:09:26ready in time with that person i came
2:09:28straight with a brutal heart
2:09:30we send people to the house where musa
2:09:32have broken
2:09:33we send people to the generator and we
2:09:35send people to the all light to when you
2:09:37know when bombers
2:09:39will close that place
2:09:41by the time they get the light with the
2:09:43rpg they have musa please fighting
2:09:45started that whole man we thought and
2:09:47there were there were girlfriends plenty
2:09:49of girlfriends
2:09:50and i would just foot the body when you
2:09:52were attacked surprised at night they
2:09:54ran away about they thought in the
2:09:56morning and started picking acres and
2:09:58the anti-aircraft weapon 18.
2:10:01and the next thing i remember was going
2:10:03to the
2:10:04citizens of bomberman you go down the
2:10:06investigation call them and ask them
2:10:08the city obama came out
2:10:10and they were hungry no food
2:10:12many of them are not going to farm for
2:10:14weeks
2:10:16so i told the manager the white man i
2:10:19said you did because i was told that
2:10:23honest isma went there for money and for
2:10:25supply and they gave him to carry the
2:10:27trailer in
2:10:28in bangkok and so you must give the city
2:10:31give me food now
2:10:32the citizens are hundreds
2:10:34i want 500 back of rice
2:10:37and he gave me the banana rest and i
2:10:39stood in the middle of burma
2:10:50reinforcement came to recapture
2:10:53obama i didn't want to stay there much
2:10:55longer to raise my ammunition because i
2:10:57knew the heavy battle from there to
2:10:59moravia we had to fight
2:11:01so i didn't waste my time after i shared
2:11:03the fluorite we passed i don't know
2:11:04where i started moving so where did the
2:11:06massacre come from were there any
2:11:08massacre in a bombers by me i saw
2:11:11millionaire madrid multiple houses a
2:11:12terrible wrote on the empire many people
2:11:14once lived here
2:11:16we did not go on rampaging people
2:11:19the manager of bombers though they're
2:11:21gone now but the citizens obama left
2:11:23them
2:11:26there was a teller people who started
2:11:28killing fighting when he referenced left
2:11:30they said that they never found people
2:11:31who support their affair we don't do
2:11:33that
2:11:34so i'm very shocked when i hear people
2:11:35say your master is
2:11:50we do not massacre there was no there's
2:11:53no massacre anywhere so helping god
2:11:56nobody must incriminate us and say with
2:11:58massacre no massacre did anybody join
2:12:02and trick us and fool us and honor your
2:12:04execution i will say if i forget you
2:12:06mentioned i'll say that too
2:12:09much
2:12:10can i say
2:12:11yeah i remember
2:12:12that one i remember because in libya
2:12:15there are militants they're not
2:12:16civilians
2:12:19there are more massacres in brahmins
2:12:22no massacre
2:12:25i don't think fellow people massacre
2:12:27there i'm not sure though this is a
2:12:29bridge they use for merriment
2:12:31we went to the supermarket and used
2:12:33money to buy guaranteeing and baptism
2:12:35for people to make a surprise why would
2:12:37we have about to spend money
2:12:41we're not seeing we are clean
2:12:44but we now also see that we just go on
2:12:46killing anybody
2:13:12new weapons
2:13:14and will trust him to go to the world
2:13:17okay
2:13:18and if i deal with you i said i did with
2:13:20you
2:13:20because one of the men that i forgot to
2:13:22mention there foreign
2:13:36one evening for inspection
2:13:38he was coming from the opposite
2:13:39direction with two vehicles he stopped
2:13:40me i stopped
2:13:42gather for your car i said you don't
2:13:44know me i'm
2:13:45your best friend
2:13:49i told you okay you get down to be
2:13:51identified he refused the money again
2:13:54and i shot him
2:13:55that was insubordination
2:13:57if i wrestle you shoot me i don't know
2:13:59his mind
2:14:00will fight the world
2:14:02if i surrender sorry that you get heavy
2:14:04too will tell the person that you know
2:14:06my voice you see me
2:14:09now i thought
2:14:15when you tell your brother break down
2:14:17from the cow get down the bus say yeah
2:14:20i'm praying jesus
2:14:21who are you bring yourself
2:14:24is
2:14:27[Music]
2:14:29so that's what happened
2:14:30[Music]
2:14:33thank you very much
2:14:34thank you madam commissioner
2:14:38but
2:14:38before
2:14:40i take my leave you said you never
2:14:42believe in traditional medicine
2:14:44as a believer they never work it never
2:14:46works you're hanging on you
2:14:48you don't solve your problem
2:14:50god is a permanent solution to your
2:14:52problems
2:14:53i saw people's against thinking why for
2:14:55you and they died i saw it
2:14:58let me tell you madam but why were you
2:15:00why let me tell you interior please just
2:15:03before i came to sir
2:15:05there was a man who caught the coffee
2:15:08tree and put it down and wrap it with it
2:15:10and put the the black strawberries and
2:15:12tape away and wrap it and put gamma he
2:15:14was selling that for fifteen dollars and
2:15:16i brought another
2:15:18piece
2:15:18and i warned him we did not come here
2:15:20making money from the fiasco thing you
2:15:22are doing we came here to revolutionize
2:15:24this country to move the system and
2:15:25bring good system
2:15:27i don't know whether the new government
2:15:28will probably bring a good system but i
2:15:29don't want to be president they are
2:15:31asleep but stop making medicine
2:15:35and stop
2:15:35kept making it and i asked him to leave
2:15:37chaplain and go his way but the next
2:15:40time he grabbed me and bring it to me he
2:15:41would not leave
2:15:42after one month they brought him with
2:15:44two bags of medicine
2:15:46they there was so much money
2:15:48for making the medicine
2:15:57[Music]
2:16:04can you comment on the scorpion that is
2:16:07believed that you had the living
2:16:09scrubbing
2:16:10the scorpion is my emblem commandments
2:16:13pleasure first of all scorpion
2:16:16a living scrub here
2:16:18i can play with you
2:16:20it will not hurt me
2:16:21that's my signal you know me better
2:16:24give me after today
2:16:28thank you very much
2:16:38silence please
2:17:21we are waiting on you to be quiet please

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