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0:00Disclaimer,
0:01this video is for commentary and
0:02educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:06proven guilty in a court of law.
0:08>> [snorts]
0:08>> Any footage used in this video is
0:10obtained through public records and
0:12falls under fair use for the purpose of
0:13reporting, analysis, and public
0:15interest.
0:17Well, like so
0:19if you weren't there and you weren't
0:20anywhere near the scene when it
0:22happened, why are you scared? In January
0:242017, Savannah police were called to an
0:27apartment on Mercy Boulevard after
0:29concerns were raised about a young woman
0:31who had stopped responding [music] to
0:32friends and family.
0:34Inside, officers found 26-year-old
0:36Wineisha Medley dead on the floor of her
0:38home. She had been killed by
0:39strangulation. The scene showed [music]
0:42clear signs of violence and
0:43investigators began piecing together her
0:45final hours, examining physical evidence
0:48left behind [music]
0:49and digital records that could place
0:51someone at the scene. Attention soon
0:53turned to [music] a man who had been
0:54closely involved in Medley's life and
0:56had recently fallen out of it. As the
0:58investigation [music] moved forward,
1:00those details would become central to
1:01the case that followed. This is the
1:03interrogation of John Paget Jr.
1:06This is the deal, man. Joey Joey's hurt.
1:09Pretty bad, man.
1:11She's pretty hurt.
1:15And y'all think I did it? I I'm not I'm
1:18not accusing you, but what I do know is
1:20you're not being
1:21completely honest with me about
1:24your whereabouts from from what
1:26from what I've been told by other people
1:28and from what I've been able to kind of
1:30track down.
1:31Um
1:32and the day I'm talking about is is um
1:34Monday afternoon.
1:37How come?
1:39Some some timelines and and places I
1:42know you were just just ain't lining up.
1:44And like I said, I I can't hardly
1:45remember what I did yesterday. I can
1:47remember what I did 2 weeks ago,
1:49but if you ask me where I was at 5:00
1:51yesterday
1:53so I couldn't tell you.
1:54Um and maybe that's what's going on with
1:57Monday. I mean, you've been asked a
1:59bunch of questions. Um you're sitting
2:01here with two detectives. You're
2:02obviously You're You're probably
2:04nervous. You're not completely sure
2:06what's going on. You probably feel like
2:07you're being accused of something that
2:10that you don't know what it is. Um I I
2:13just want you to take a minute, man.
2:15Think real hard about Monday.
2:18And and try to put together an accurate
2:21timeline of
2:22where you were, who you were with, where
2:24you stopped by, what you did, what time
2:27you got home, okay? And um
2:29I did We'll give that one more shot. I
2:32did everything.
2:34Cuz like, you know, I mean,
2:36I know we're asking you questions, we're
2:37not giving you a lot of information cuz
2:38we kind of can't do that. That's just
2:40part of the way it is. But
2:43you know, you're giving us the
2:45information, we got to check it out.
2:46Someone that he's probably already
2:48checked out. I don't I don't know, but
2:50you know, at this point, we're just
2:52asking to account for where you were and
2:55stuff like that. Cuz if she's saying one
2:56thing and we can prove you were
2:58somewhere else or you were doing
2:59something else, otherwise, that's why
3:00we're asking those questions about like
3:02where were you at? Like do you have
3:04contact with her, all this kind of
3:05stuff? Like it's not because we're
3:06trying to say, "Hey, man, you did
3:08something wrong." It's because when we
3:10do investigations, we don't want to just
3:11like jump to conclusions. Like when
3:13somebody tells somebody something, we
3:15don't just say, "Oh, well, that's what
3:16they said." Like
3:18let's just go out and act on that
3:19information. No, that's not how we work.
3:21We We want to talk to you. We want to
3:23figure out what you got to say. And then
3:25we we check out what everybody says and
3:28at some point we're going to figure it
3:29out. And like I said, the main thing is
3:33like no doubt about it, she's hurt.
3:36And I mean, I'm going to tell you this
3:38flat out. She's not saying anything.
3:41She's like hurt so bad that she's
3:44she's gone, man.
3:46She is she's deceased. She's dead.
3:49So
3:51what we're trying to figure out
3:53is if there's any reason
3:57why you'd have been over there, what you
3:59were doing over there, anything like
4:01that. And when these things happen
4:03between two people, man and woman,
4:05there's always two sides to a story,
4:07man. And if something happened
4:11when you were there, if you were there
4:14now's the time to say it because
4:16obviously things look one way
4:19but
4:20that's why we're coming to you for an
4:22explanation. If you weren't there, you
4:24weren't there. If we can prove you
4:25weren't there, we'll prove you weren't
4:26there. But if you were there and
4:27something happened, man, like
4:31she got physical with you and whatever,
4:34you're a big guy, like something
4:36happened, like that's what we need to
4:38know.
4:40Well, what do I know? Like
4:44you mean tell me that
4:45Joey
4:49ain't
4:50Look She's dead, man.
4:53And how did this happen?
4:55When did it happen?
4:56>> We can't tell you all that.
4:59We can't tell you all that, man, cuz
5:01that information is known only to people
5:04who were there.
5:06And that's why we're asking some of
5:08these questions. But I will tell you
5:10that she did tell people
5:12prior to her passing that something was
5:15going on between you two. No, we didn't.
5:17And that's like there's some
5:19documentation of it, man. Like not lying
5:21to you about that. Police report. Like
5:24paragraphs of documentation. Well, I'm
5:26telling my So why why No, which police
5:29officer came and have to talk to me? No,
5:32some sometimes, depending, we're not
5:35going we're not going to come talk to
5:36you. You know what I mean? It's it's a
5:37report. It's there for documentation.
5:39>> what you're saying. Um
5:41since then I've
5:43you know, the last few days I've spoken
5:45to
5:46co-workers, family members,
5:49people who live in the apartment
5:50complex,
5:51people that uh
5:53remember seeing you there back during
5:54the hurricane, people that are familiar
5:57with what you look like.
5:58You know.
6:01And here's the thing with the breaker,
6:02man. Like she she told the police about
6:04the breaker.
6:06Like she told them that you were cutting
6:08the breaker off and killing her power.
6:10What?
6:12Like no one else would know that, man,
6:14cuz no one else would even know which
6:18No one would know that but you.
6:20I'm not lying. Like I just want you to
6:22understand like
6:25the magnitude of what's going on and
6:27like I I just got this feeling like the
6:29whole like I I wasn't there like that
6:31that might not fly with you anymore.
6:33This This is what I don't want to
6:34happen, man. Um
6:36You know, let's say for instance that
6:38you guys have something going on. She
6:41may have something going on with
6:42somebody else that that wanted them
6:44caused them to harm her, okay?
6:46You may not have known nothing about it,
6:47but however
6:49you're being the typical guy, pissed
6:51off. Um you're turning her breaker off.
6:54Just just a
6:55Okay?
6:56And that's occurring at the same time
6:58this other guy is
6:59doing what
7:00because you know, she's He said she's
7:02dating other people. You're dating other
7:03people.
7:05What I don't want to happen, man, is
7:07All right. We collected evidence from
7:10the breaker, from that area.
7:12Um
7:14I don't I would hate to put you on scene
7:17Monday or early
7:19Monday morning, late Sunday night
7:21and
7:23be able to physically put you there and
7:25and and you're telling me you weren't
7:27there.
7:28How do you think that's going to look to
7:30to a jury of 12 people that you've never
7:32seen before that are there to judge you?
7:35I wasn't there. You weren't there. I'm
7:38trying to see how you can say you can
7:39put me there, though. I
7:41If you weren't there, I can't put you
7:44there.
7:45But if you were there,
7:47you're going to be put there. And I
7:50I just need an explanation on if you
7:52were there, why you were there. I'm not
7:54accusing you of of harming Joey, but if
7:56you were there, I need to be able to
7:58dispel why like I need to be able to
8:00explain
8:02why you were there. You know what I
8:04mean? No. What he's saying is if like
8:06there was something else going on and
8:08like you guys were having an issue or
8:09whatever, but you you
8:12didn't hurt her but you did some of
8:14these other things that she was saying
8:16before she passed away, then like you
8:18need to be honest about that stuff
8:20because otherwise
8:22it for us, we might be looking at two
8:25different things when really it or we
8:28might be looking at one thing when it's
8:29really two different things. You
8:30understand what I'm saying?
8:32Like cuz it's common sense like she
8:35tells people that you guys were having
8:37issues and you were calling her and you
8:39did this to her breaker box and all this
8:41kind of stuff, which is pretty specific.
8:43No, no call logs, man. I ain't never
8:45called that girl.
8:47Never called her.
8:48You never messaged her, contacted her
8:50any kind of way over the in January of
8:522017. You've never messaged her, you've
8:55never had any kind of contact with her
8:56whatsoever over over social media, any
8:58of these other apps, text, anything.
9:02So uh what it was, New Year's uh around
9:05Christmas, I text Merry Christmas.
9:08And uh New Year's, Happy New Year's.
9:11That was it.
9:12And I seen her at work Saturday.
9:15And we just briefly talked in the break
9:18room.
9:19And that was it.
9:21That was it.
9:22So no other contact at all?
9:26So I don't know.
9:28You can pull logs, you know. I'm pretty
9:30sure you
9:31>> We're We're going to do that all We're
9:32going to do all that stuff. Yeah, a lot
9:34of it a lot of it's already been done,
9:35man. That's That's That's how I That's
9:37why you're here right now, man. Yeah, so
9:39I'm saying like you already seen that. I
9:42haven't called her.
9:44All right.
9:44I haven't called her. I haven't texted
9:46her.
9:47Last time I'm telling you it was around
9:49like
9:50January this year. Facebook?
9:53No. You haven't contacted her at all on
9:55Facebook?
9:57Is it because she blocked you?
10:00No,
10:01I wouldn't know if she blocked me to be
10:02honest.
10:04I wouldn't know. Haven't been checking.
10:10So we know you were uh
10:12yesterday evening you were riding around
10:14and you just happened to ride by
10:16Chelsea's Landing. So so we got that
10:18too, is that okay?
10:21So Monday
10:23Hold on hold on hold on. I'm still
10:24trying to process this.
10:28Enjoy is dead. She's dead, man. She's
10:31gone. Ain't no coming back.
10:34When did this happen? Well, I'm not
10:37going to tell you all that. That's the
10:38word That's what we're That's what we're
10:40here, man. We're trying to try We can't
10:41tell you all that.
10:42>> But it's like Because if we tell you
10:44that, then that information's out there.
10:46And the only one that is going to know
10:49when it happened is the person that was
10:51there.
10:52Or persons who were there. But you know
10:54what y'all asked me like, "Have you
10:55watched the news?"
10:57You know, and in the back of my mind I'm
10:59sitting I'm like
11:01"Okay, what could possibly happen? An
11:02apartment fire?"
11:04You know, then I'm sitting back I'm like
11:06when I rolled past I
11:09didn't really like
11:11"Oh, what's going on over there?" It was
11:13just like I'm leaving Drive Time and I'm
11:15making my way back on the other side of
11:16town. I was there, man. I was there and
11:19then
11:20there's no way that you drove past
11:24and then I look over
11:26and see the 2 mi of yellow crime scene
11:28tape
11:29and
11:30a dozen police cars and the tigers
11:32standing around. It was nothing on Mercy
11:35Boulevard. You're right. It was all in
11:37the parking lot. I didn't look over
11:39there. Like I didn't have no intentions
11:41of
11:43of even No.
11:46Where's the paperwork for your recall?
11:49The paperwork for my recall? It's at my
11:51grandma's house.
11:52Cuz I left there and I think I went
11:54right back to grandma's house.
11:58Wait a minute.
12:00Say that again. When I when I left Drive
12:02Time I went right back to my grandma's
12:05house. You went to Drive Time What I'm
12:07sorry, he wrote it down. What day did he
12:08go to Drive Time? And then yesterday I
12:10went Yesterday. So you went to Drive
12:11Time yesterday and then you went
12:14So you you didn't go to your grandma's
12:15house yesterday. You said you went to
12:17your grandma's house on Monday.
12:19No. No. I went to grandma's house
12:21yesterday. Yesterday after I left there.
12:24After I left where? After I left Drive
12:26Time.
12:27Monday when I went there I didn't have
12:29my key. Right. And I couldn't get in.
12:32But you didn't mention grandma's house
12:33yesterday until just now.
12:35Huh?
12:36You didn't mention going to your
12:37grandma's house yesterday until just now
12:41when you said you went to your grandma's
12:42house after Drive Time, right? You
12:44didn't say anything about that before,
12:46did you? No, I Yesterday was an
12:47interview with Parker. Hold up hold up
12:49hold up. I did. Hold on hold on hold on.
12:51Yeah, he went he went to grandma's after
12:53the interview.
12:55Okay, so you went to grandma's after the
12:57interview and then and then you went to
12:59Drive Time and then you went back to
13:00grandma's house.
13:04But you never mentioned you went back to
13:05grandma's house.
13:08Right?
13:09Until just now.
13:11I'm I'm being I'm being totally honest
13:14like
13:15I I respect y'all. Y'all doing y'all's
13:16job. Thank you for that. Like literally
13:18thank you for that. I'm not trying to be
13:20a smart ass. I know that like that.
13:24Well, man, it it really sound like I
13:26need to talk to a lawyer or have legal
13:29assistance. You can do whatever you want
13:31to do, man. We're just asking questions.
13:33But you talking about someone dead.
13:37Yeah. You know, like that's like death
13:39penalty. It ain't It ain't no coming
13:41>> You ever put your hands on her? No. I
13:43never Me me and Joy never got in no
13:46fight.
13:46>> You've never struck her. You've never
13:48grabbed her. You've never scratched her.
13:50She's never grabbed you. She's never
13:52struck you. She's never scratched you.
13:55No.
13:56No I asked that.
13:59Okay. What's the last time you
14:01you punched something a wall or
14:02container or dashboard steering wheel?
14:06I don't do that often. Punching stuff?
14:10So there there shouldn't be any injuries
14:11to your knuckles. No no scratches no
14:13lacerations.
14:15No, there's going to be nothing on me
14:16nothing but right here. And this is how
14:19this happened at work. Like I'm helping
14:22a lady with um with her sales well. And
14:25when I pulled back to put my finger got
14:27nicked and I had to get a band-aid.
14:29And that happened at work? Yeah, that
14:31happened What day did that happen? Uh
14:33Monday.
14:35Cuz I I had to go in the warehouse to
14:37talk to Neek about getting band-aids.
14:39Like it was bleeding Like you're talking
14:42Neek. His name is Neek. I don't know if
14:44it's n e e k or
14:46n e a k.
14:48And um
14:50because there wasn't no band-aids. And
14:52this was cut like you can look at it. It
14:54was cut all the way to white meat. Like
14:56it just kept bleeding all day. It nearly
14:59stopped like yesterday. And you haven't
15:02been doing any yard work or walking
15:04through any brush or sticker bushes or
15:06anything, right?
15:07No. So you shouldn't have any scrapes or
15:09any other scrapes or blood lacerations
15:12on your arms.
15:12Well,
15:13let me see. I can point out everything
15:15that happened to me. I can't see that
15:16though. Let me see Right here. This
15:18happened on a container. That happened
15:21right there on the container cuz it got
15:22like somebody took like a coat hanger.
15:25And then when I opened the container
15:26that was that. And it just scratched me.
15:28Hold on hold on hold on.
15:30You want me to take my whole shirt off?
15:32Like I can I can look, man. It's
15:36You better not throw them or punch
15:37nobody. You want to see my knuckles or
15:39Was there any damage to her apartment
15:40the last time you were in it like holes
15:42in the wall stains on the ground and
15:45anything knocked over like any damage at
15:47all?
15:48That was last year. I'm asking when you
15:51were there last year, was there any
15:53damage to the apartment?
15:55The last time you were there was there
15:56any damage to the apartment?
15:59Okay.
16:09So like am I under arrest or something?
16:11You're not under arrest. You're not
16:12being charged. You're not under arrest.
16:13We're just trying to trying to figure
16:15out
16:16what happened and like I said I
16:18You're not being completely honest with
16:20me and and it kind of worries me why why
16:22you're trying to be dishonest. I mean
16:23it's scary. You have a reason to be
16:25nervous. It's a big deal.
16:27What I would don't want you to do is is
16:29paint a bad name for yourself
16:32trying to protect yourself for something
16:33that you didn't do if you if you had
16:35nothing to do with it, you know what I
16:36mean?
16:37I ain't got nothing to do with nobody
16:40dying
16:41and Joy.
16:42I don't know.
16:44Like if if you met her you would like
16:46her.
16:47She was cool. Let's Let's Let's talk
16:49about Let's talk about Monday again,
16:52man.
16:55Let's start from Monday morning.
16:57Man, listen. What was her What's her
17:00name again? Morris. Detective Morris.
17:02You're I'm saying that right, right?
17:03Yes.
17:04Detective Morris, I already had told you
17:06about Monday. If I keep going over it
17:09it's going
17:10It's like I'm going to be trying to like
17:12paint a picture. Like I'm trying to
17:15Everything that I say
17:16>> if you be completely honest with you
17:17what you just said painting a picture,
17:19that that's what I'm trying to do. I'm
17:20I'm I'm trying to understand
17:23your day
17:24like just Monday, Sunday, Monday,
17:26Tuesday, Wednesday, but you know, this
17:28whole week.
17:32I kind of have an idea where you were at
17:34through through certain investigative
17:35techniques.
17:37And
17:38Okay. And and you're being dishonest
17:40about certain time frames.
17:43That's what I'm asking you. I can't tell
17:44you where you were. You have to tell me,
17:46man.
17:47He's not He's not just going to tell
17:48you, man. Yeah, I So like here's like
17:51what he's trying to get at I think is
17:53that like so
17:55We got our investigation, right? You've
17:57given statements about where you were
17:59and that's cool. If it checks out it
18:01checks out. But what's going to happen
18:03is when we end up getting
18:05results from our
18:06forensic evidence and all this kind of
18:08stuff cuz there's going to be some.
18:10Okay.
18:11And
18:13your
18:14DNA whatever comes back
18:18that's going to be a problem.
18:19That's going to be a huge huge problem.
18:21So what we're saying is like if
18:23something happened, man, and like it's
18:25not what it looks like
18:28then you got to be honest because the
18:29forensic evidence is going to tell us
18:30the truth about what happened
18:32no matter what you say.
18:34If it's if it's there it's there. And
18:37then that's going to be a huge problem
18:38cuz you're sitting here saying I'm not
18:39there. Well, if if your if your DNA your
18:43hair whatever comes back
18:45skin cells anything
18:47Mhm. at the crime scene
18:50that's a wrap, man. Like
18:53So I'm saying I don't Because you're
18:54saying I'm not there. So what's that
18:55look like? That looks like you're saying
18:57I'm not there. But if you were there and
18:59like something happened
19:00and if something catastrophic that you
19:02didn't mean for it to happen like that
19:05now is an important time, man, like for
19:07you to tell us what happened because
19:09it might not be like that. There may not
19:11be a next time. I mean I may not ever be
19:13able to talk to you again. You may not
19:15ever be able to come in and explain
19:16yourself to us again.
19:17This may be the only opportunity we ever
19:19have to talk. And and I may have to go
19:22to court in front of a jury and try to
19:23convince the jury that
19:25you are not the person that was
19:27responsible for this incident.
19:30And I'm not going to be able to do that
19:32when I can feel that that you were in
19:34that area
19:36when this you know when this stuff was
19:38going on.
19:42And I
19:46Did you love her?
19:50It was all so short lived.
19:53It was all so short lived like we said
19:55it to each other.
19:57We we we said it countless times. So you
19:59don't mean it?
20:01I can't say I didn't mean it.
20:03Yeah, I care for Joy. Just due to the
20:06fact that y'all telling me she's no
20:08longer here, man.
20:10Man, when I get by myself, I'm about to
20:11break down.
20:13Well, I'm wondering why I've seen none
20:15of that. Like you just kind of sitting
20:17>> Because I'm sitting right here
20:19>> I mean, if there was something that I
20:20somebody I cared about, man, like
20:24that's heavy. I'm a little heavy, man.
20:27It is.
20:28I'm sitting right here.
20:30I'm scared for my freedom right now.
20:33Because you're saying that Joy's dead.
20:37And y'all like, "Well, we can put you in
20:38this area at this time. You're not being
20:41honest." And I'm sitting there like
20:46I'm about to go get pinned for a murder
20:49or something like that if that's what it
20:51is. Well, like so
20:54if you weren't there and you weren't
20:55anywhere near the scene when it
20:57happened, then why are you scared?
20:59That's what I'm saying. telling me when
21:01it happened.
21:02One thing y'all keep asking me about
21:04Sandra. Dude, think about it though.
21:06You're saying you give us a good
21:08timeline of events, right? And nowhere
21:09in that timeline did you say, "I was at
21:11Joy's and something bad happened and she
21:14was dead." Like that was nowhere in that
21:16timeline. So like Cuz that didn't
21:18happen. So
21:19what are you scared for then? The reason
21:22why I'm scared for, okay, let's let's
21:24let's
21:25Y'all every question you ask me from my
21:28name to what car I drive, I never told
21:31you what rims I have on my car. You
21:33already know I got rims on my car. And
21:35you made that statement and you was
21:36like, "Yeah, them fancy rims." And I'm
21:37like, "I never told
21:39>> We were at your house, man.
21:41Seen the car sitting in front of your
21:42apartment, dude.
21:44You was there?
21:46You only him and two other officers
21:48there.
21:49So I'm saying like you ask me questions
21:51you already know. And I'm sitting and
21:53I'm just, you know, I'm like
21:55>> know what a rapport is?
21:57A what?
21:57>> A rapport.
21:59A rapport?
21:59>> Relationship building.
22:02I asked you questions to see how you're
22:03going to answer them. And and for the
22:05most part you've been honest and
22:06straightforward.
22:08Except for the fact that you're
22:10omitting certain time frames.
22:14And and and that's that worries me, man.
22:18I don't know why, though, man. Like it's
22:20only I can recall Monday to the best of
22:22my ability. Actually, it's not just
22:24Monday, man. It's Sunday and a little
22:26bit of Tuesday. Like you can't tell us
22:28even an area of the city you're driving
22:30around in like I get you might not say,
22:33"Oh yeah, like I remember going to like
22:36201 Abercorn Street." But like I can
22:39tell you if I was on Wilmington Island
22:40or if I was on the south side.
22:42You know what I mean? Like that's I can
22:44definitely tell you if I was at
22:46Abercorn, anywhere on Abercorn on the
22:49south side or not.
22:51Monday. And I was telling you about
22:53traffic just by virtue of the traffic I
22:54have I can tell you if I was on the
22:56south side or not. That sucks.
22:59No, I wasn't
23:01That's what I can tell you. I wasn't
23:03over there. So the only time you're on
23:04the south side was yesterday?
23:09To go to drive through.
23:10How about on Sunday?
23:12No.
23:16No. And nobody else drove your vehicle?
23:21Nobody else drove my vehicle. Saturday,
23:23Sunday, Monday, you never went on the
23:25south side.
23:31Does anyone else use your phone?
23:33Anyone else use my phone?
23:36Um
23:41what it was on.
23:48I don't know. You know, like where I
23:49work at I work with like halfway house
23:51guys. You get what I'm saying? Come on.
23:53Do you let anybody use your phone, man?
23:55Like I did
23:56>> Like I don't let anybody Nobody uses my
23:57phone.
23:58>> No. No. Okay. No. Nobody else uses your
24:01phone? No. Okay.
24:02>> somebody walked up and asked me, "Hey,
24:04can I borrow your phone?" Yeah, but
24:07nobody just use it blatantly like Like
24:10if they're using it, you're right there
24:11with them.
24:13Yeah. Okay.
24:22You ever had like problems in any of
24:24your prior relationships before?
24:26Um
24:29It was one. Um we were supposed to be
24:32like engaged.
24:34And that was with Don Don.
24:36And um
24:38Now, I loved her. Mhm. I'm talking about
24:40I we Oh, we wanted to get
24:42>> marry her? And you know, I would still
24:44marry her like And it was just
24:47my first time ever dealing with a female
24:50and it was just some things that I
24:51wasn't used to seeing, some things I
24:53didn't know the female would already do.
24:55Yeah. And you know, it just shut me off,
24:57but
24:57>> Yeah.
24:58And you know, that didn't end That
25:00didn't go
25:01too well or what not. I mean, it was
25:03like a kind of bad breakup. Was anything
25:05like physical between you two? No, it
25:08wasn't nothing physical.
25:09>> Now, when I ask that question, man,
25:10don't think I'm accusing you because we
25:12work these types of things all the time,
25:15men and women. And like I know the whole
25:19idea in people's minds is that the
25:21police just always think the guy is
25:22guilty. Like we don't think that, man.
25:24Like we know that like half the time the
25:25woman is the primary aggressor. So like
25:28I'm just asking like one way or the
25:29other. So when I ask you that, don't
25:31think I'm just saying you beating on
25:32her. I'm saying is she abusive to you
25:34and you abusive to her? Like like did
25:36she hit you, you hit her back? Like any
25:38police reports, any domestic violence
25:40arrests, anything like that? No, but um
25:44You know, I know with that scenario like
25:46there with Don
25:48you know, I did end up getting locked
25:50up, but everything is dropped or
25:52whatever. What happened with it?
25:54It just it it had got dropped. You know,
25:57I had to
25:57>> No, what I mean like with the incident,
25:58like what happened? It was just It was a
26:01bad breakup. Um I gave her the money to
26:03put down on the car.
26:05And um
26:07you know, throughout the relationship it
26:09was just
26:11like
26:12I guess she just thought I was using her
26:14cuz she was in the military. You know
26:15what I'm saying?
26:16And I left Savannah to go stay with her.
26:20And I guess she just thought I was like
26:22smooching off her cuz I couldn't find a
26:24job like a suitable job. Yeah. I'm
26:27talking about a job that I felt good
26:29where I could take pride in stuff and
26:31like I didn't have that type of job. It
26:32was like a little job at Metro PCS.
26:35Yeah. But I liked the work. Yeah. And I
26:37like I'm not just going to sit around. I
26:39need to do something. And I was in
26:40college at the time.
26:42Where was that at? That was in
26:44Kingsland. I mean
26:45I moved from Savannah cuz she stayed on
26:47the navy base. Oh, all right. In
26:49Kingsland? Yeah.
26:52How long ago was that?
26:53That was like 2014. 2014.
26:56Um you said the charges got dropped.
26:58What what kind of charges did Um
27:00what was it? It was a
27:03What theft by taking?
27:06Because the car was in her name.
27:08Oh.
27:08>> And you know, like after she seen me
27:10around Savannah like cuz she would come
27:12here cuz her family here. She seen me
27:13with different females. And that's the
27:15car you gave her the money for or
27:17whatever. Yeah. And I'm making the
27:19payments for it and I'm paying my half
27:21of that insurance. And when she see me
27:22in the car She got pissed and said
27:24you're not allowed to
27:25>> Yeah, she see another female, she be
27:26like, "No, I want the car back." And I'm
27:28like, "Well, you should have said that
27:29before I even gave you 3 months worth of
27:30payment."
27:33And that's how that happened and
27:34everything was able to be proved through
27:36text message. Like
27:39I had the text messages still. Okay,
27:41that's understandable.
27:42Have you been arrested for anything
27:44else?
27:45No.
27:46Never? No, I'm talking about Y'all
27:49already know I got a record. Y'all Come
27:51on. I honestly haven't looked at your
27:52record, man. I don't I don't I don't I
27:54haven't.
27:56He might have. I haven't.
27:57>> Tell me uh tell me what happened with
27:58the kidnapping thing.
28:00Kidnapping? Never been arrested for
28:02kidnapping?
28:03Uh that was when I was like You talking
28:05about 2002, right? I I I just I I I
28:08looked at I know it is old and may even
28:10be juvenile. I just I'm just asking.
28:11>> No, like that was that was 2002, man,
28:14and it was an armed robbery. Armed
28:15robbery? And it was an armed robbery.
28:17And uh you know, armed robbery,
28:18kidnapping. And the kidnapping got
28:21dropped down to false imprisonment.
28:23Everything dropped down to juvenile
28:24court and I ended up doing time for it.
28:26Where where did that happen at? Was that
28:28local or
28:29>> Statesboro. Statesboro? Yeah. Okay. But
28:32it was never like
28:33>> 16, 17, something like that.
28:35No, it was like 15. What? You know.
28:42Um we're going to go get some some
28:44paperwork together real quick.
28:48I'll be right back one second. Do you
28:50need some more water, man?
28:52Yeah, I'll take some more water. Do you
28:53like flavored or just plain regular
28:55water? No,
28:56water. Yeah. Be right back. All right.
29:11You want
29:13Give me some of that water, man.
29:28Just be honest with me, man. Like it's
29:32It's not looking good.
29:38So I'm about to go to jail. I'm not
29:41saying that. You're You're not You're
29:43not being charged. You're not nervous.
29:45What I'm saying is this.
29:50If something happened,
29:53you got to explain it, man. Like, you
29:55got you got to. Because Nothing happened
29:59between me and Joy.
30:01That for fact I know is untrue.
30:04Because, man, like, there's no reason
30:07absolutely no reason
30:09why she
30:11would call the police
30:15and tell them that you were cutting the
30:17power off to her apartment using the
30:19breaker.
30:20Which only you would know how to do, by
30:22the way, because of what you just
30:23explained.
30:25Why she would say that? Not only that,
30:27but like, the calls and the fact you
30:29weren't leaving her alone.
30:31And the fact that she was so scared of
30:33you, bro,
30:34that she went to safe shelter
30:37to see if she could get a protective
30:38order against you.
30:40The day before she got killed, man.
30:43Do you understand that? I didn't do
30:45anything to Joy for her to go to those
30:49length of measurements.
30:50I did nothing. No contact, no nothing. I
30:54want you to tell me
30:56what it felt like in those last moments.
30:58I want you to tell me what it felt like
31:00when she was breathing her last breath,
31:02man.
31:03Man, how it Think about it. Just I want
31:05you to not I want you to think about
31:07that.
31:09I want you to think about the noises she
31:12was making.
31:13Why Why is you even trying to do this
31:16to me? I'm not trying to do anything to
31:18you. I'm trying to get you to see that
31:20you need to tell the truth.
31:22I'm telling you the truth and you trying
31:24to alter the truth. No. We don't want to
31:26alter nothing, man.
31:28We work off facts.
31:30Man,
31:32I didn't kill no Joy.
31:34I wasn't nowhere around Joy.
31:36Why she's going to a safe shelter? Why
31:39she's
31:40documenting all of this stuff?
31:43I don't know. Am I the only John in the
31:45world? No.
31:47John Padgett.
31:5011/14/1986.
31:52Phone number 777, whatever it is. She
31:55gave us all this information, man. John,
31:57if you hadn't talked to her other than
32:00like, just
32:01back and forth on Saturday about a
32:03little joke here or there.
32:05And then you had no contact with her. No
32:07contact. She would have no reason in the
32:09world to make that up. Like, she would
32:11like, you've you've said that your
32:12relationship with her is good right now.
32:15There's no reason for her to sit here
32:17and make an accusation against you like
32:18that.
32:19There's no reason for her to go to the
32:21extent If she was just making this up,
32:23bro, she wouldn't go to safe shelter.
32:27I Like, that's like going in You have
32:28realized you have to like go and like,
32:31do things in order to make like
32:33>> Not only that, that's the gravest, man.
32:34That's You know how hard it is for a
32:35woman to go to safe shelter and ask for
32:37help. We work together.
32:40You can ask Khalif, you can ask the
32:42people I work with. Me and her we don't
32:45talk. We see each other and we don't see
32:47each other. You told me she had to go to
32:49safe shelter?
32:51We work together. When you think I would
32:53have lost my job first? It ain't nothing
32:55to go to the courthouse and take out a
32:57good behavior warrant.
32:59She know where I stay at. She know where
33:01I work at. So, you talking about safe
33:03shelter and everything. I'm like, she
33:05was dealing with other people. I'm
33:07dealing with other people.
33:08>> talking about other people, man. Like,
33:10at this point,
33:12we're not talking about anybody else but
33:14you.
33:17We already kind of covered that. We said
33:19she's seeing anybody else, she had
33:20problems with anybody else. You know the
33:22only person she was having problems
33:23with, according to her, before she died
33:25was you.
33:27That's it. I We We wasn't having no
33:29problems.
33:31I know you took good care of her. Did
33:32Did Did she Did she see Did she see me
33:35turn the power off? Did anybody see me
33:37turn the power off? No. I think right
33:39now, I think I don't know. I'm just
33:41assuming that my fingerprints are there
33:44and y'all just going off that bunch and
33:46be like, "Oh, you did it." So, you You
33:48wouldn't be surprised if your
33:49fingerprints were on it? I just told
33:51you. I told you that
33:52>> Let me explain something. I'll I'll go
33:53ahead and tell you, okay? But your
33:55fingerprints are on the breaker box.
33:58The Those breaker boxes are They're
33:59painted
34:00to to protect aluminum from oxidizing.
34:03Well, that paint itself oxidizes and it
34:05turns into kind of a a powdery residue.
34:08What happens with that is anything that
34:09gets on it washes off with rain,
34:12moisture, fingerprints are gone.
34:15Okay?
34:16So, if the last time you touched that
34:17breaker box is October,
34:19there's there's no way in [ __ ] hell
34:20your fingerprints would be on that box.
34:22Your fingerprints were on that box so
34:24good, I could see the fingerprints
34:25without even putting black powder on
34:27them. I mean, that's how good your
34:28fingerprints were on that box. And there
34:30was no other no other fingerprints on
34:32that box.
34:34Except for the maintenance guy that
34:36turned the power back on.
34:37That was the last time
34:40I would be near that breaker box. It's
34:42not like the breaker box is in no hiding
34:44place. It's right there.
34:46>> I know exactly where it is. It's right
34:49there. All right. Now, if you can say
34:51the length of the time a fingerprint can
34:53stay
34:54>> I can tell you the length of time. I'll
34:55bring it into the courtroom and
34:56demonstrate the length of time. What's
34:57the weather been like recently?
35:00Rainy, wet.
35:03And you just said it's only outside of
35:04the building. It's not It's not
35:06protected. It gets wet, which would wash
35:08off your fingerprints.
35:10Okay, then. There's no way in hell your
35:11fingerprints would have stayed there
35:13since October.
35:18I haven't had no explanation
35:20>> on why
35:22you were there.
35:24If you were just [ __ ] with her, I
35:25need to know that, man.
35:27I need to know that I was convinced you
35:29were seeing this other dude. Your
35:30[ __ ] manager. Like, I mean, that's
35:32disrespectful, man. Like, whatever the
35:34case is, dude, like
35:35Listen, whatever she had going on, I
35:38told the people about it, you know,
35:40because everybody was asking me
35:42questions. Right. They was like, man,
35:44you know, you started messing with Joy
35:46and now I see her all buddy-buddy with
35:48this person and that. I'm like, man, I
35:50ain't got nothing to do with it. I'm
35:51like, you know,
35:54it is what it is. Did it upset you at
35:56all?
35:57No.
35:58>> [snorts]
35:59>> I'm seeing other people. How could it
36:01upset me? And it was so short-lived.
36:04It's not like we was on each other every
36:06day, 24/7, living with each other,
36:08trying to get it that have kids, start a
36:12family. No.
36:14We just like, short-lived.
36:17Like, other people
36:18>> the last time you bought you bought Joy
36:20flowers, man?
36:21Last time I bought her flowers
36:23He never brought Joy flowers. Never
36:25bought flowers?
36:26Nope. You ever had flowers in your
36:28vehicle?
36:29Nope.
36:31Nobody else drives your vehicle?
36:33Nope.
36:46I believe you were telling the truth
36:47about something, man.
36:50I believe that you were telling the
36:52truth when you told us the last time you
36:54ever saw Joy was from behind.
36:59At work.
37:02At work.
37:03Nope.
37:04And that's
37:09Man, it's to to to even
37:12like, man,
37:14Did she fight back? No.
37:15Why Why Why is y'all even trying to say
37:17this to me? Did she fight back?
37:22Listen to what y'all saying to me. Y'all
37:24accusing me of something. Y'all keep
37:25saying, "Oh, yeah, we're not accusing
37:27you of anything." Y'all is accusing me
37:29of taking a person's life.
37:32I'm not raised like that. I I didn't do
37:34anything like that. I never done
37:36anything like that. Mistakes happen,
37:38man. Like, emotions are called emotions
37:40for a reason. Like, emotions aren't
37:42reasonable, right? Like, they're not
37:44rational. Like, when when people do
37:47things
37:48out of out of love or out of fear or out
37:50of anger, there's no reason to it. It
37:52don't matter how you're raised, how
37:54smart you are. I've seen medical doctors
37:57lose their careers over domestic because
38:00he was upset at his wife over something
38:02she did.
38:03>> Nothing domestic ever happened I'm not
38:05between me and Joy. Look, I'm I'm Just
38:07hear me out what I'm saying to you.
38:09Okay? I've been hearing y'all for the
38:11last three days. I'm not I'm not not
38:13accusing you of anything, but I do What
38:16I am saying is that you're involved in
38:18what happened. You just asked me did How
38:20was it when you looked at her from the
38:21back?
38:21>> Yeah, I did. What was it? What was the
38:23sound? You're right. That's exactly what
38:25I asked.
38:26>> do something to somebody? I hope it does
38:28do something to you, man. But you got to
38:29understand what I'm not doing is
38:30accusing you because what I'm asking is
38:32for is an explanation. Do I think you
38:34were there? Yeah. Do I think you know
38:36what happened? Yes. I'm not accusing
38:38you. What I'm saying is, what happened,
38:40man? Like, just because it happened,
38:43doesn't mean it's the worst thing in the
38:45world, okay? Are you a
38:47stone cold killer, man, or or did you
38:49make a mistake?
38:50That's That's what we're trying to
38:51figure out, man. I didn't kill
38:53>> Wasn't an accident? Did
38:54things get out of control? Did she start
38:58it off?
38:59I didn't kill no one.
39:02I ain't killed no one. I ain't killed no
39:04insect. I ain't killed no dog. I ain't
39:05killed nothing.
39:08Nothing.
39:12Nothing, man. Like, I ain't I ain't done
39:14nothing. This is what's going to happen.
39:18What's going to happen is
39:22you're giving us this thing that's
39:24saying you're not there.
39:26We've got physical evidence that puts
39:27you there
39:29already.
39:31We're going to get more physical
39:32evidence when the rest of it comes back.
39:36You think you can
39:37do that to somebody and not leave
39:40sweat, skin, DNA all over it. No, you
39:43can't.
39:45You can't, man. Like it's it's And
39:46that's going to happen. And then
39:50people are going to read this report
39:51that she made the day before she died
39:53saying that you wouldn't leave her
39:54alone, that you were cutting the power
39:56off. Then they're going to hear that you
39:59knew which one the breaker was. And then
40:02people are going to think that you're a
40:04monster, dude. We don't think you're a
40:06monster, man.
40:07That's what I'm trying to say to you.
40:09>> Just because I was over there with the
40:10hurricane. And I went out there and I
40:13tried
40:13>> past the hurricane, man. We're a month
40:14past the hurricane.
40:15>> No, I'm saying that that's how it's all
40:17involved. That's the only time I touched
40:18the breaker box.
40:20And y'all sitting there saying, "Oh,
40:21your fingerprint would have been washed
40:23off." And
40:24>> [snorts]
40:24>> I'm like
40:28And now I'm being accused of taking
40:30Joy's life.
40:32And I have nothing to do with it.
40:35What happens when the evidence come
40:37back?
40:38And
40:40A lot of people are going to say that.
40:42>> what Okay, then. Then if the evidence is
40:45already in, you already know what y'all
40:46need to know. And that's why we're here
40:48talking to you.
40:49If y'all knew that what y'all said, I'm
40:51not under arrest? You're not
40:53>> Because dude, what did I tell you at the
40:54beginning? When we get things back and
40:57we get information, we don't just go We
41:00can't judge a book by its cover, man.
41:02Maybe something happened that that we
41:03don't know about. Cuz here's the deal,
41:05right? Things happen. Like just like you
41:07said. So, say I just hypothetically I
41:09was called to a shooting scene, right?
41:11And you've got one guy dead on the
41:12ground and you got another guy. And then
41:15the other guy's not there. We get the
41:17gun. The guy The DNA of the other guy's
41:19on the gun. So, then we're like, "Oh,
41:21well,
41:22Billy, his DNA was on the gun. You think
41:24we're just going to go out charge that
41:26guy with murder?" That's not how that
41:27works. Because then we go talk to Billy
41:29and Billy says, "No, man, this dude
41:30tried to rob me. I was defending myself,
41:32man. I got [ __ ] scared and I ran
41:33away."
41:34>> Or I passed the gun off to
41:36to Rob just just before that happened.
41:39He says
41:40You can't just You can't just judge
41:43something on its face value alone. You
41:45have to get context. And we don't Like
41:48how fair would that be to you if we just
41:49came to you and and charged you with
41:51something without at least talking you
41:53about it. Because maybe it's not as
41:55clear-cut as that. Maybe you can tell us
41:58something that that is important about
42:00what happened.
42:02That changes the dynamic. It may It
42:04doesn't change the fact that Joy's dead.
42:05Nothing's going to change that, dude.
42:07Nothing in the world is going to change
42:08that. She ain't coming back. She ain't
42:10going to have a [ __ ] Christmas. She's
42:13done.
42:14She's never coming back.
42:16But what does change
42:19with a full understanding of the truth
42:22is closure.
42:24And it changes the dynamic of how people
42:26are going to look at this situation. Cuz
42:28right now people are looking at it one
42:29way and it You look like a a monster,
42:32man.
42:33>> Like an [ __ ] man.
42:35And we We doing our job as long as we've
42:38both been doing it, we know that's not
42:39the case, man. I've had very good people
42:42in that chair that you're sitting in
42:43right now that have done
42:46a terrible thing, made a mistake.
42:51Got out of control. Something happened.
42:53It doesn't make them a bad person. It
42:55doesn't make them a monster. I'm trying
42:59to tell you straight up and down. I did
43:01not kill Joy.
43:04I had nothing to do with it.
43:10I didn't kill Joy and I have nothing to
43:12do with it.
43:15I came up here
43:17good spirit, answering the questions and
43:20everything.
43:20>> Mhm.
43:22And now it's like, "Oh, how did you What
43:24was the last breath? Oh, did you do
43:25this?" No. Come on, man.
43:28At any time I could sit here and just
43:30say, "I don't want to answer no more
43:32questions." That's right. You can.
43:33>> That's your right, man. And then what's
43:35next? I go to jail? And I have to battle
43:37it out in the court?
43:39Y'all already said you got to present
43:41stuff to the to the jury
43:43about me?
43:45Not just about you, man. The whole case.
43:48And I'm being I thought my she took out
43:51a statement or something like that.
43:54That's what this girl Y'all can check
43:56the whole law.
43:57>> Then why would she make that up, dude?
43:59There's no reason she'd make that up.
44:00Not only her, man. Well
44:02>> There's people who live in that complex
44:05that they remember you.
44:07They can put you there, man. They have
44:08nothing to do with her. Don't even know
44:10her goddamn name. They're saying
44:14Man, I'm Detective Morris. I'm
44:15investigating an incident. Have you
44:16observed
44:18such and such activity? Do you recall
44:19seeing anyone around? They
44:22And they start describing you.
44:24Then we come back and we figure out
44:27They're describing John to you.
44:31What Why would they put you on the
44:33phone, man? They is not describing no
44:34John. They describing someone, but not
44:37John.
44:37>> These people don't know you. They don't
44:39know your name. They don't know her. All
44:41they know is she moved in a few months
44:42ago.
44:43>> How they describe John?
44:46Your Your height, your weight, your body
44:48build.
44:51Dude, you're jacked, dude. You're like
44:54three times the size of me.
44:56Like your your arm is as big as my quad.
44:59But here's my biggest thing, John.
45:01Listen.
45:03If All right.
45:05You say your relationship your break
45:07with Joy was fine, right? Like no big
45:09issues. She started seeing other people.
45:11You started seeing other people.
45:13No issue. You've had no falling out. You
45:16were just cordial just the other day.
45:18Why
45:20Why would she make a police report
45:22saying something otherwise? That doesn't
45:24make any sense to me. That makes no
45:26sense to me.
45:26>> That's true to what I'm saying. And
45:28y'all saying somebody You saying the
45:30police report was made after the power.
45:33That's what you said. That's what you
45:35said.
45:36I'm not the only person she's talking
45:38to. Have you talked to any of the other
45:40guys?
45:40>> Talked to a lot of people. I spent the
45:41whole day there.
45:42>> Well, who
45:43Who else is she seeing? You How do you
45:45know?
45:46How do you know she was
45:47talking to a lot of other guys? Well, we
45:49spoke in the break room. I said, "Well,
45:51how's everything going for you?" She was
45:53like, "I got a couple of candidates."
45:54That's all she said. Okay.
45:57And she And she And she took her wallet
45:59back.
46:00So
46:00>> And it's not like I took it from her. I
46:01just picked it up off the table.
46:04Have you asked her for money recently?
46:09Recently? Or or at all since since like
46:12October or since y'all been together?
46:14Have you ever asked her for money for
46:15anything?
46:16What was um
46:20What was I had a
46:24What was it?
46:25I remember I was messing with her one
46:27time. She told me she had to get her a
46:29windshield fixed. And that's because I
46:31seen the owner cat walk.
46:33And she was saying something about, "Do
46:35I know anybody good that can fix
46:37windows?" And I told her to text me. I
46:39said, "Well, text me. I got a trade on
46:40my back. Text me." This lady called me
46:42for it. She said, "All right." And she
46:44text me and asked me, "Do I know anybody
46:46that fix windows?" And I said, "Well,
46:48no, not really." And then
46:50I don't know if it was that day or the
46:52next day. I just be like, "Let me borrow
46:54this." And she said, "No." Okay. That
46:57was it.
46:59When When was that? Do you recall when
47:01that was? I don't know. That was last
47:02year. Last year?
47:04Yeah, it was last year.
47:06I'm telling you, man, I haven't been in
47:07no contact with her. Does anybody else
47:09live in the apartment with you?
47:11With who? With you. No, it's just me.
47:14You live by yourself?
47:14>> It's just me.
47:19I can't that I can't get over why she
47:21would make a report like that.
47:24Strange.
47:25Like you guys weren't dis According to
47:27you, you guys had no disagreement. You
47:30guys had no bad blood. You guys had no
47:32poor relationship.
47:33>> We were We were just in the break room
47:35Saturday.
47:37That's what I'm saying. Like according
47:38to you, there was no problems. No
47:41problems. She would have no
47:42No Oh, I want you to come by my house.
47:44No Oh, I'm going to come by your house.
47:47None of that. So, she would have no
47:49reason She wouldn't be upset with you.
47:51She wouldn't be mad with you. She would
47:53have no good reason why she would make a
47:57false police report about the things
47:58that you were doing. I wasn't doing
48:01anything.
48:02I wasn't doing anything. When she asked
48:04me how the dating life, I said, "Man, I
48:07said I got a I'm seeing a couple of
48:08people."
48:10And that was You think that Go ahead.
48:12I'm sorry. No, I'm saying that was that.
48:16Do you think that we're making this up
48:18about the police report? I I don't know.
48:20>> think we're just lying to you about
48:21that? I don't I don't know. No, do I
48:24think y'all lying? No. This girl is dead
48:26right now. Yeah. She She She's dead. She
48:30is. And the only fact is right now is
48:32that listen, John, everything's pointing
48:34at you.
48:36Let's call it what it really is, man.
48:37Not only is she dead, she was she was
48:39murdered, man.
48:41Innocent, tax-paying, contributing
48:43member of society was was murdered.
48:46She didn't die of natural causes. She
48:50didn't die in a car accident. She was
48:51[ __ ] murdered, bro.
48:54There's a difference.
48:57So, this is the reason why police told
48:59me not to come in to work today.
49:02I I don't know who police is.
49:08Can't believe this, man.
49:11Can't believe this.
49:14That's I don't even think that's related
49:16to us.
49:17We never even got to your workplace at
49:20this point.
49:21Well, I'm just saying it's just
49:25Something was Something was off when I
49:27talked down yesterday. That's all I'm
49:29saying. I'm not pointing fingers at
49:30nobody. I'm just saying something was
49:31off.
49:32Something was off for him to tell me to
49:34come in at 9:00 to 6:00 when I normally
49:37get there whenever like I get there.
49:40I get there early.
49:44Cuz I even called around and asked the
49:46other guys. I said, "Did he change your
49:48schedule? Did he change your schedule?"
49:50Everybody said no.
49:51No, he ain't change. I'm like, "Why he
49:53change my schedule?"
49:55When you went to DriveTime, you said you
49:56were in and out. What I mean, what was
49:57that about?
50:01Come on, man. I just told you it was
50:02about the recall. Yeah, but like I mean,
50:04did you get the recall? What did they
50:06Did they do anything or what?
50:07>> to take it to four.
50:09Okay.
50:10>> he said not to us. He said, "You got to
50:11take it to four." Okay. He said that's
50:13>> you remember who you talked to on that?
50:15It was It was a It was a It was just a
50:18store guy. Like I said, I didn't get his
50:20name.
50:21I told you that we were right. I said I
50:22didn't
50:23>> Was it a white guy or a black guy?
50:24>> No, he was a black guy with glasses.
50:26Black glasses?
50:27How long has it been since you bought
50:28that car, then?
50:30It was like
50:31August. August? August, September. 2017
50:35September, August.
50:36It's It was either on a September or
50:38August, man.
50:44I don't know.
50:45Just
50:47You know the other issue I got, I'm just
50:48going to be honest with you, man.
50:51Like, it kind of bothers me a little bit
50:55that we're sitting here talking about
50:57this girl who you said you loved. You
51:00told her you loved her and you told us
51:01that you mean it when you said it.
51:04And
51:05so far
51:07it doesn't really seem to upset you very
51:08much. The thing that you're upset about
51:10is that we're asking questions about
51:11your involvement.
51:12>> No. No. That's what I kind of bothers
51:14me, man. That's not a normal reaction
51:16people have, especially people that have
51:17nothing to do with what happened.
51:19No.
51:20No, you can You can You can assume it
51:22what whatever you want to assume it.
51:24You're not wrong for that. You know your
51:26job.
51:28But what you was assuming waiting right
51:29now about me thinking that, "Oh, he did
51:32it. He's not showing a bit of remorse."
51:35I'm You can ask my family. They'll "Oh,
51:37dude, he crying in front of you?"
51:40Only person that can ever say they ever
51:41seen me cry was my grandma.
51:45And that's fine, man. But like even
51:47before we told you that she passed away,
51:48we told you she was hurt and you didn't
51:50even ask about her.
51:52Let's be Let's be honest, man. You said
51:54a person dead. What I'm supposed to do?
51:55Y'all said You knew before I told you
51:57she was dead before you came here, man.
51:59You You You knew she was dead before you
52:01got in here. No. Did you go to work
52:03today?
52:04Yes, I did.
52:06You worked yesterday? Yes, I worked
52:07yesterday. There's no way out there that
52:09you knew she was dead. There's no way
52:11that you didn't know she was dead, man.
52:12How
52:13Yesterday?
52:15Yesterday? Yesterday. Man, yesterday was
52:18a smooth day at work.
52:20Everybody sat back, chilled, did their
52:23job.
52:24So, if they knew something I didn't know
52:27that's on them.
52:31And yesterday was Tuesday.
52:33And if you saying that everybody at work
52:34knew that whatever whatever like
52:38that ain't got nothing to do with me.
52:42What's going to happen when
52:44So
52:45the crime scene is what we would
52:48in our line of work would would probably
52:49classify as chaotic.
52:52So
52:54chaotic crime scenes
52:56usually have have a substantial amount
52:58of
52:59evidence that's collected from them.
53:01So
53:02my question is what's going to happen
53:05Like you can
53:06You can tell us whatever you want to
53:07tell us. It's up to you. I mean, that's
53:09totally your call. But what I'm saying
53:11is what's going to happen when your DNA
53:13comes back off of her?
53:16My DNA not going to come back off of
53:18her. It's not? No way, no how?
53:22Ever? No. How can my DNA come back if
53:25I'm not there?
53:27That's my question.
53:28That's what I'm saying.
53:31>> Y'all saying I'm dead, man.
53:33No. So, you'll give us your DNA?
53:36Y'all want my DNA? Yeah.
53:39You You You'll give it to us? You'll
53:40consent to give us your DNA to compare?
53:42I'm I'm I'm just being totally honest.
53:44Don't take this in a Don't take this in
53:45a negative way.
53:47It's It's painless, bro. It's just a
53:49painless process, man. I know y'all
53:51saying Y'all saying it's painless. But
53:53y'all sitting here telling me I did
53:55this.
53:56Y'all want a conviction. Y'all want a
53:58closure on this.
53:59>> No, no, no, no, no. We want We want
54:00facts. We want the truth. And we want to
54:03put the right We I want to put a
54:04murderer in jail. I don't want to put an
54:05innocent dude in jail. We don't get
54:07stats. I don't get [ __ ] bonuses to
54:09put people in jail.
54:11I want to put a murderer in jail. In
54:13fact, the last thing we ever want to do
54:15is get the wrong guy. You think I would
54:17be able to sleep at night if I put
54:18somebody away for life? Okay, then what
54:20happened when you did the DNA and when
54:22it don't come back? Well, then that's
54:25good for you.
54:26You said to me you can't take that back.
54:30>> It's good for you if your DNA is not
54:31there. But I'm saying like you don't see
54:33>> That's going to benefit you. If it's not
54:35there, it can only benefit you. I hope
54:37it's not. I hope your DNA don't come
54:39back for your sake and you can talk
54:41about me and Sergeant Santoro and and
54:42talk about you.
54:44If we're wrong, if we're wrong, we're
54:45wrong, man. And we'll we'll eat that
54:47mistake. We've been wrong before. We'll
54:49be wrong again in the future.
54:51But But we seem to be right a lot, too.
54:59I'm saying I ain't got no problem with
55:01doing this DNA.
55:02Will you Will you consent to the search
55:04of your vehicle? Hell, yeah.
55:06Okay.
55:11I'll do the search search of your
55:12vehicle. Yeah.
55:20This is a
55:22swab on the inside of your mouth.
55:24You already knew a lot of information.
55:25You already knew you weren't telling the
55:27full truth about some stuff.
55:31We already know where you were Sunday
55:32and Monday.
55:38And we got problems.
55:41So, like how do you explain that?
55:43I don't know what y'all problems are,
55:45but I wasn't over there.
55:48That's what you're going to go with?
55:49I wasn't there.
55:52You're going to go with that and just
55:53roll the dice and see what happens?
55:55There ain't no roll no dice.
55:58All right.
55:59They gamble, man.
56:01Excuse me, boy.
56:04That's why I'm not rolling dice and
56:06everything. If If If that was the fact
56:09right now, it'll be we don't even need
56:11to talk to you anymore. We We do want to
56:13talk, man. As I explained, we're not
56:15animals. We don't get commissions for
56:16for putting people in jail.
56:19It don't make me feel good to go home
56:21and and and and lock people up.
56:25There's only two families affected by by
56:27this this homicide, man. Her family's
56:29messed up already. I've been on the
56:31phone all night. I haven't been asleep
56:32since 5:30 yesterday morning.
56:35Going on the phone with her brother.
56:38Her grown ass daddy on the phone crying
56:39so hard he can't even talk to me.
56:43Her mom crying so bad that I I I don't
56:45even know what we talked about. I
56:46couldn't understand anything she said.
56:49Her sister.
56:52Couldn't even get a word out on the
56:53phone with them.
56:55Her uncle.
56:57Her aunt.
56:59Her sister again. Her brother again.
57:04Her family's messed up.
57:05And and then we got And then we got the
57:07person that did this to her.
57:11Somebody's getting ready to lose a a son
57:12or a daughter.
57:14Maybe a dad.
57:15A aunt, uncle, cousin.
57:17Someone that's going to have a second
57:18family.
57:21I'm saying, man, I ain't have nothing to
57:23do with it.
57:26Maybe you didn't.
57:28But I I need to know
57:31why why you were over there, man.
57:34I wasn't over there.
57:45Yeah, I mean
57:48we're beyond that, man. Like so, I mean,
57:50if that's what you're going to stick
57:51with, then that's your statement and
57:54we'll just continue on and that's fine.
57:56But
57:58that's going to make you look terrible
58:00later on, dude. Like a like a like an
58:02animal, dude. Because or or or or just a
58:06liar, dude. When when I can prove that
58:08you were there at a certain time
58:12within a certain number of feet to be
58:14exact of a certain location. And I can
58:17prove this scientifically.
58:21And then you're going to take the stand
58:22in front of 12 people that have no idea
58:24who you are and say, "I wasn't there."
58:28You can't prove you were there.
58:31Can't prove that you were there.
58:33Well, you already said You already said
58:34somebody drives your car.
58:37Yeah. So, someone were lying. Somebody's
58:39lying. So So So, maybe he did kill this
58:42girl.
58:44Why would he lie about being there? Why
58:46would he lie about being there if he
58:47didn't If he didn't kill this girl?
58:49If he didn't
58:50Why would she make a police report and
58:52then call Safe Shelter about a
58:53protective order because she was afraid
58:55for her life the day before she was
58:57murdered?
58:57>> the neighbors describing a muscular
58:59built guy in the area sometimes late at
59:02night? Why are they describing the damn
59:03struggle that happened and the the
59:05vehicle that that that
59:08that's found parked outside your
59:10apartment in the area sometimes? So, you
59:12mean to tell me
59:15just like what you just said
59:17you said describing a struggle. You just
59:20said that, right? Right.
59:23And nobody want to call the police. If I
59:25hear something going on with my
59:26neighbors
59:27How do you know nobody called the
59:28police?
59:30Apparently not. You would have whatever
59:32it is that y'all trying to have. What
59:34are you talking about?
59:36I don't understand what the point you're
59:38trying to make. You saying
59:41just what you just said.
59:42>> Yeah. Neighbors heard
59:46the struggle, whatever. Mhm.
59:49Nobody called the police. Don't the
59:51police come and check that out? How do
59:52you know nobody called the police is
59:54what I'm asking you. How do I How do I
59:56know?
59:57Apparently, they would have have the
59:59person.
1:00:00I mean, you're just hanging out, like
1:00:02staying there just to see what happens?
1:00:04Is that what happened? I mean
1:00:06What? What What
1:00:07>> How do you know nobody called the police
1:00:09is my question. You just said neighbors
1:00:11heard that. You damn right I said that.
1:00:13And then you said nobody called the
1:00:14police.
1:00:15>> would show up. The police would be able
1:00:16to catch the person. How do you know the
1:00:18police didn't show up then? Then they
1:00:20got the person. Then what y'all talking
1:00:21to me about it for? You're right. They
1:00:23got him.
1:00:24I think he's sitting right here, dude.
1:00:25That makes no sense to me. Listen to
1:00:27what you said. If the police were
1:00:29called, they would have got that person
1:00:30that night.
1:00:32Police get pretty quick. Police Police
1:00:35get to every area pretty quick. Come on,
1:00:37man. Are you kidding me?
1:00:39I don't care. You
1:00:40>> Are you kidding me? You think we get
1:00:41there in a second? You think when a
1:00:44murder happens the person is just
1:00:45sitting there? You just got to drive
1:00:46through traffic.
1:00:47What traffic? What traffic? On the south
1:00:50side. There's no traffic. We talked
1:00:51about that.
1:00:53You had to take Mercy Boulevard cuz the
1:00:55traffic was backed up and all that [ __ ]
1:00:56yesterday.
1:00:59Well, yeah, that was yesterday. It's
1:01:00like coming from drive time heading
1:01:02towards Abercorn going north. It's cars
1:01:06right now, like I can't just
1:01:07>> John
1:01:09How do you know nobody called the
1:01:10police?
1:01:11I I said somebody If they would have
1:01:13called the police the police would have
1:01:15came. I'm just saying this is how I'm
1:01:17thinking.
1:01:18Okay, go ahead and explain it.
1:01:19How I'm thinking is if the police were
1:01:21called, if it's a struggle going on
1:01:24What you think? The police don't take
1:01:26that lightly? If somebody calls and say,
1:01:28"Hey, uh something's really bad going on
1:01:31next door, upstairs, downstairs."
1:01:34You think the police are going to be
1:01:35like, "Uh we'll we'll get to it later."
1:01:37No.
1:01:39Police is in that area.
1:01:42>> So you're saying that like every time
1:01:43the police are called we're there
1:01:44instantly and if there's a suspect the
1:01:46suspect's going to be on scene when we
1:01:48get there. Is that what you think?
1:01:49I'm saying if
1:01:50>> Why Why don't we arrest every murderer,
1:01:52every shooting?
1:01:54People call about shooting all the time
1:01:56right off the rip. Why aren't we Why
1:01:57don't we have all of our shooters and
1:01:59all of our murderers
1:01:59>> If they're able to hear all of that, you
1:02:02mean to tell me nobody just standing out
1:02:04there, though?
1:02:05Like they they had to see the person.
1:02:08They have to see the
1:02:09>> People have seen the person and they've
1:02:10described the person. They didn't
1:02:12describe me. I don't think so. You
1:02:14don't?
1:02:15No, not at all. They didn't describe
1:02:17your vehicle leaving that scene? No.
1:02:20You sure?
1:02:21I wasn't there.
1:02:23Was somebody else driving your car? No.
1:02:26You really messed up just there, man. I
1:02:29did not mess up.
1:02:30>> up when you said
1:02:31somebody would have called the police.
1:02:34What?
1:02:37What?
1:02:38What you mean, "What?"
1:02:40How do you know nobody called the
1:02:41police? Hold on. Hold on. Let Let me Let
1:02:43me Let me change my tone for Because
1:02:45because
1:02:47I
1:02:48Maybe they did and maybe they didn't,
1:02:49but what makes you say that they didn't?
1:02:52Listen, everything you said You said
1:02:54they
1:02:54>> I said that that that they heard the
1:02:56struggle is what I said.
1:02:58>> they heard the struggle. Right. Then I'm
1:03:00not sure if you said maybe they did or
1:03:02they did call the police.
1:03:04That's That's what you
1:03:04>> say anything about calling the police. I
1:03:06said they heard the struggle and you
1:03:07said nobody Then somebody would have
1:03:09called the police. Why didn't anybody
1:03:10call the police? You introduced that.
1:03:12You introduced that, not me.
1:03:14>> You said they heard the struggle. I did.
1:03:16All right. If you hear a struggle next
1:03:18door
1:03:19you home. You're not a detective. You're
1:03:21not armed or you could be armed. I don't
1:03:24know. Yeah.
1:03:25What What are you going to do?
1:03:27I don't know.
1:03:29Maybe I will. Maybe I won't.
1:03:31What makes you think that I would ask
1:03:33that question? What you mean, "Why?" And
1:03:35how you I mean I mean
1:03:37Maybe police were called maybe they
1:03:38weren't, but
1:03:39>> the question because you said they heard
1:03:42whatever Joy got going on.
1:03:44>> Yeah, and then you said why didn't
1:03:45anybody call the police?
1:03:47What you mean?
1:03:49That's a question like Like just like I
1:03:52said, man. Like you're trying to get me
1:03:53caught up in your words.
1:03:54>> I'm trying No, I'm I'm asking you a very
1:03:56direct question because
1:03:58you said how do you know they didn't
1:03:59call the police and respond right then
1:04:01and there and that's when we found her.
1:04:02How do you Cuz you don't Cuz you know
1:04:04what happened.
1:04:05You know what happened, man. All right.
1:04:07You messed up. No No, I didn't mess up.
1:04:10>> up. You did.
1:04:11You did. No, I didn't mess up. How do I
1:04:14mess up? How can I mess up if there's
1:04:15nothing to mess up on? There's no way
1:04:18there's no way
1:04:20you would ask that.
1:04:22That's not a normal question. I clearly
1:04:24said if they hear a struggle
1:04:27anybody if they can give this statement
1:04:29now. "Oh, yeah, I heard a struggle."
1:04:31"Oh, well, what What What did you do
1:04:33next?" "I just went back to sleep."
1:04:35>> How do you know they didn't call the
1:04:36police? John, I'm asking you that. That
1:04:39was a question. I said "Did they call
1:04:41the police?" No, you said why didn't
1:04:42nobody call the police.
1:04:44You said why didn't they call the
1:04:46police? And that was the question and
1:04:47you said why did they ask Why Yeah, and
1:04:49why would you ask that question? Because
1:04:51if they would have called the police the
1:04:53police would have got there. So So how
1:04:55do you know that's not How do you know
1:04:56they didn't just call the police and the
1:04:58police got there, found her?
1:05:00How do you know that didn't happen? I
1:05:01don't know.
1:05:03Yeah, you
1:05:03>> Because y'all talking to me and y'all
1:05:05accusing me right now.
1:05:06Man Y'all accusing me right now.
1:05:10You You accusing me.
1:05:12Whereupon We're We're past accusing,
1:05:14man. We're We're We're seeking answers,
1:05:16man. We're trying to keep you from
1:05:18looking like a a stone cold killer,
1:05:20dude. No, that that DNA going to do
1:05:22that.
1:05:24So So did you I mean, did you just stay
1:05:26in the apartment after it happened then?
1:05:30Or what did you do afterwards?
1:05:37Really, man? You're just going to pace
1:05:38back and forth and just continue to tell
1:05:40me that I did this?
1:05:42You pretty much just told me you did
1:05:44when you just said what you said.
1:05:46Why didn't anybody call the police?
1:05:49There's no way
1:05:51you would know or come to any kind of
1:05:53conclusion about somebody calling the
1:05:55police or not calling the police
1:05:57unless you were there.
1:05:59Unless you were there
1:06:00Yeah. No, man. Because that's not
1:06:03something to somebody would ask. Think
1:06:05about what you asked. I said they heard
1:06:07the struggle and you said why didn't
1:06:09anybody call the police?
1:06:12Police get there. How do you know nobody
1:06:14called the police and the police didn't
1:06:16just get there?
1:06:18Man, listen. First things first.
1:06:22I didn't do it.
1:06:25So ready for the DNA to come back. Y'all
1:06:27saying y'all past accusing. Y'all just
1:06:29want to listen. You've been locked up
1:06:31before?
1:06:33Most Everything you asking me y'all
1:06:36>> fingerprinted?
1:06:37Yeah, I don't get fingerprinted. You
1:06:38remember giving samples of your DNA?
1:06:41Yeah, and you taking it again?
1:06:43That's just to see what you were going
1:06:45to do.
1:06:46We already have your DNA, man.
1:06:51And it's in her house.
1:06:55How do you explain your DNA inside her
1:06:56house? We've had sex.
1:07:01We We We've We've had sex.
1:07:04Okay, look. This year? No. Okay.
1:07:07Let Let me explain DNA to you a little
1:07:09bit. When I say DNA most people think
1:07:10semen, bodily fluids.
1:07:13And what you No, no. Your Your DNA is on
1:07:15that drink right now, man. Your DNA is
1:07:16there.
1:07:17Your skin cells are on that drink and
1:07:19that's what we're talking That's the
1:07:19kind of DNA we're talking about. That's
1:07:21just like if you was to come to my house
1:07:23right now
1:07:24and
1:07:24>> I would leave DNA all over your house.
1:07:26No.
1:07:27Joy don't been in my house before.
1:07:29I'm saying if y'all was to do my house
1:07:30and y'all be like, "Oh, well Well, well,
1:07:32we we did find a Joy's DNA."
1:07:36So how can I say my DNA is not there?
1:07:39Yeah. I'm talking about like DNA don't
1:07:40sit around forever, man. It's very
1:07:42fragile evidence. It goes away quick. I
1:07:44don't know. It washes out. It rubs off.
1:07:47>> know. Last Last Last time we had sex was
1:07:49in December. All right? I I was I was I
1:07:52was I was over there. And that's the
1:07:54last time you were there. That's what
1:07:55I'm telling Touching doorknobs,
1:07:58um
1:08:01touching her
1:08:04maybe some clothing
1:08:08grabbing hair.
1:08:11That's what I'm telling you.
1:08:12>> Grabbing her arms.
1:08:14I'm sure she's had a bath since October.
1:08:18But yet your DNA is on her.
1:08:29Still.
1:08:33Maybe you didn't kill her, man.
1:08:35Maybe somebody else killed her. Maybe
1:08:37you were just there.
1:08:38Or maybe you were there before it
1:08:39happened.
1:08:41Maybe you came over there to see her
1:08:43after this happened, found her
1:08:45and freaked out and left.
1:08:49That's the story we're trying to put
1:08:50together, man.
1:08:53If not, we have to paint our picture
1:08:55with what we have.
1:08:58I wasn't there, man.
1:09:00Why didn't anybody call the police?
1:09:04Man That That statement question alone
1:09:08indicates to me you understand or know
1:09:10have knowledge of when this actually
1:09:11happened. I don't.
1:09:13You have to. I don't. You have to. All
1:09:17right, hold on. What What's your name? I
1:09:18want to make sure I know I'm talking to
1:09:20John Moss. Yes. M- Moss.
1:09:22>> That's That's That's the name. I'm sorry
1:09:24to say Coral.
1:09:25Robert Sand Coral.
1:09:28You want me to write it on this phone?
1:09:30No, I got it.
1:09:34Oh, you told me his name, yeah.
1:09:47Thank you.
1:09:55I mean, you got knowledge of what
1:09:56happened. That's by you asking that
1:09:57question.
1:09:58>> I I don't have knowledge of when it
1:10:00happened.
1:10:01And I'm being honest, like she ain't
1:10:03even being accused of taking life.
1:10:05Which is punishable by death or
1:10:08whatever.
1:10:10Like
1:10:11it ain't nothing more I can say. Y'all
1:10:14saying
1:10:14>> more you can say, man. We got a We got a
1:10:16lot of explaining to do. Y'all saying
1:10:18that my DNA is there, and it ain't
1:10:21nothing else I got to say, man.
1:10:23Y'all Like when I came in here, I gave a
1:10:25statement. I I talked to y'all freely.
1:10:27There There is a lot you can say.
1:10:29I I I came in here willingly. I came in
1:10:32here to talk to to talk to you. What Is
1:10:35there a warrant for my arrest? There's
1:10:36not. I told you that when you came in
1:10:38here. There's not a warrant. There's not
1:10:39a warrant for my arrest. I wasn't
1:10:41sitting here read Miranda rights or
1:10:43anything. You don't need your rights.
1:10:44You can get up and walk out that door
1:10:46anytime you want to. How am I going to
1:10:47How am I going to get home? Y'all just
1:10:49get here, right? You get here, right?
1:10:51You get here. If you want to go, we'll
1:10:52go.
1:10:53Y'all know I'm
1:10:54I I I
1:10:56I I respect both of y'all doing y'all
1:10:57jobs.
1:10:58But like I said, that's going to prove
1:11:00that I wasn't there.
1:11:03Right now, you can
1:11:04>> Well, unless there was a mix-up in
1:11:05prison, and your DNA was mixed up with
1:11:08somebody else's that went over there and
1:11:11killed Joy,
1:11:13then
1:11:14then this This ain't going to help you
1:11:16out very much, man.
1:11:19What else ain't going to help you out is
1:11:20the fact that your DNA is under her
1:11:22fingernails.
1:11:24When she struggled. My DNA is on her
1:11:27fingernails.
1:11:33Like I said, last time I seen her was
1:11:36Saturday.
1:11:37We in the break room, joking around.
1:11:40That was that.
1:11:43Did I touch her? She touched me. I
1:11:45touched her. That was that. Saturday.
1:11:47How How was the touching?
1:11:50Describe it to me.
1:11:53Like this girl was a female. Like we
1:11:55just
1:11:57joking around, laughing around.
1:11:59She reach in her wallet, and I'm like,
1:12:01"Buy me some chips. Buy me a drink.
1:12:03Take me to lunch." Right. I'm like, "You
1:12:05making money just like I'm making. I can
1:12:07read cash, everything on there."
1:12:19Can't help you.
1:12:27I just want
1:12:28I just got a lot of explaining to do,
1:12:30man. Like Like I know
1:12:32that that there's things in her house
1:12:36that can prove that you were there. I I
1:12:37don't want to to paint you to be an
1:12:39animal.
1:12:40>> I'm trying to tell If there was another
1:12:41reason you were there, man, that's what
1:12:42we need to know. I'm trying to tell you
1:12:44there's no reason I was there. Last time
1:12:46I was there If you can't explain why you
1:12:47were there, there's only one reason you
1:12:49were there.
1:12:50Only time Last time I was over at this
1:12:53girl's apartment was last year.
1:12:56And dude, when I go in there, do I just
1:12:58sit in a corner? No. Right.
1:13:02You You've been to her apartment? Right.
1:13:04You know, I don't know if she's
1:13:06accumulate furniture by now, but at that
1:13:09time, she didn't have furniture.
1:13:11What What What What What we did, we just
1:13:13sat there, played around. It's carpet
1:13:15everywhere.
1:13:17Mhm. I'm a hairy person.
1:13:20That's That's not a fact. Look at my
1:13:21arms. Look at Look at everything. You
1:13:24saying my DNA is under her fingernails.
1:13:27Do you see any scratches on them? You
1:13:29don't understand how how sensitive DNA
1:13:31is. Like I said, it You can't see DNA,
1:13:33man. Just you touched that bottle. Yeah,
1:13:36you left fingerprints. Yeah, you left
1:13:38DNA.
1:13:39Your DNA is on the handle of that chair
1:13:41right now. Yeah.
1:13:43But I'm saying
1:13:45>> I'm I'm I'm just saying, just think
1:13:46about it like this. If I was at her
1:13:48house in December,
1:13:50this is January. Then the DNA wouldn't
1:13:53the trace DNA wouldn't be there, man.
1:13:55It wouldn't be there. The hair sound
1:13:58When your hair is in your arms, it's
1:14:00alive, right? It's It's It's part of
1:14:02your body.
1:14:03Once it's removed from the hair
1:14:05follicle, what do you think happens to
1:14:07it?
1:14:09It dies, right?
1:14:10>> I was there in that area. It It dies. I
1:14:12I'm not no expert on the I'm just
1:14:13telling you what [clears throat]
1:14:14what I know we use to to prove things.
1:14:17When the hair dies, it goes through a
1:14:18process of breaking down, and that
1:14:20process can be
1:14:22She's able to use it
1:14:23to see how long that hair was there. And
1:14:25from December to to now, there's there's
1:14:27going to be a
1:14:28a big difference.
1:14:29>> Morning. Um I'll I'll I'll tell you the
1:14:32deal, okay? I I do have a a search
1:14:34warrant to collect DNA from your person,
1:14:37okay? Um I have that already started.
1:14:40Yeah, go grab it.
1:14:41This is a
1:14:43investigative officer. She's going to
1:14:44take some photographs of you. I'll
1:14:46probably going to get you to take your
1:14:47shirt off, and um maybe your shoes or
1:14:49your pants legs, something like that.
1:14:50And um
1:14:51we're going to take another a good solid
1:14:53sample of DNA and things. I'll go get
1:14:55your copy of the search warrant. Right
1:14:56back.
1:14:59You need
1:15:00more water or anything, man? I don't
1:15:02need anything. Or the bathroom? All
1:15:04right.
1:15:05Okay.
1:15:11After the interrogation, the case
1:15:13against John Padgett Jr. moved forward
1:15:15through the courts.
1:15:17Prosecutors presented forensic evidence,
1:15:19digital location data, and testimony
1:15:22tying [music] him to Winesha Medley's
1:15:23killing.
1:15:24In May 2021, a jury found him guilty of
1:15:27malice murder and related charges.
1:15:30Padgett was sentenced to life in prison
1:15:31without the possibility of parole, the
1:15:33maximum penalty [music] allowed under
1:15:35Georgia law. His conviction and sentence
1:15:37were later upheld on appeal, bringing
1:15:39the [music] case to a close within the
1:15:41state court system.
1:15:42Winesha Medley was 26 years [music] old
1:15:44when her life was taken. Her death
1:15:47remains the central, irreversible fact
1:15:49of this case, [music]
1:15:50and the sentence reflects the jury's
1:15:52determination of responsibility for that
1:15:54loss.
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