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0:00I'm not harping, Bill. I'm being
0:01completely honest with you.
0:01>> Well, I'm being completely honest, too.
0:03>> Do you have any Do you have any reason
0:05to believe that I would lie? Why would I
0:07be shar at this point?
0:09>> I don't know why you would, but I told
0:11you the truth, so
0:13I'm sticking to my story.
0:20>> In April of 2021, Deianne Warner
0:22disappeared from Lena County, Michigan.
0:25She was a wife, a mother, and a
0:27businesswoman. But by that weekend, her
0:30marriage to Dale Warner was under
0:32serious strain. And according to public
0:34case records, she had been planning to
0:36discuss the future of their
0:37relationship. When D was reported
0:40missing, investigators were left with a
0:42narrow window of time, unanswered
0:44questions, and a husband who was now
0:46central to understanding what happened.
0:49Early conversations with Dale focused on
0:51the problems in the marriage. The night
0:53before D vanished, and the timeline
0:55investigators were trying to build. At
0:58first, this was a missing person case.
1:00But as detectives looked closer, every
1:03detail began to matter. What was said,
1:06what was left out, and whether the story
1:08matched the evidence. Now, investigators
1:11sit down with Dale Warner as they try to
1:13separate explanation from truth. This is
1:16the interrogation of Dale Warner.
1:19>> You'll figure supplies then. So, you
1:21start all over again. It's
1:23>> here before you know it.
1:31the car. Oh, thank you. Yep. Now we're
1:34dealing with all the
1:36circuits going on again. You know, I'm
1:39now posting pictures of minor.
1:43>> Oh, I know.
1:44>> Oh, they're posting them on Christmas
1:45trees with me and now they're using a
1:48website to exploit her and raise money
1:52and get pictures.
1:56So,
1:56>> do you watch the podcast still?
1:58>> I don't watch either.
1:59>> No, I guess I was the most recent focus
2:01of attention. Not
2:03>> They said they were trashing guys. They
2:05trashed. I mean,
2:05>> they've got the uh
2:07>> if you don't if you don't agree.
2:09>> It's just an email I sent to uh her uh
2:13guardian delight.
2:15>> Okay. I said, "Listen, you're the
2:17guardian delight. You
2:20got to try to take these people and take
2:21care of them. They're represented by an
2:22attorney. I can't contact them. But
2:26yeah, I mean now they're trying great is
2:28trying to raise money
2:31for my daughter posting pictures all
2:33over the internet.
2:39>> Anyway, oh yeah, you and I have been
2:40focusing on podcast, all this other
2:42stuff. It's just a mess.
2:44>> The only about as much stream as I am
2:48actually zero.
2:49>> No, that's what I mean. That's what I
2:50mean. You and I both in the same boat
2:52there, I think.
2:53>> Come on, guys. Really?
2:55>> Yeah.
2:56>> And I I don't I've dug into this guy's
2:58background is Bill Little. He's a
3:00weirdo.
3:01>> He is. I mean, he's never been in a case
3:04where he actually got insanity.
3:06>> Yeah.
3:07>> And his his real motive operetic is to
3:09come into town, stir things up to create
3:12these,
3:13>> you know, circumstances that are just
3:16total baloney. just total. It's all
3:19about raising money for this podcast and
3:21this guy.
3:24>> What's that guy's name?
3:27>> Which it's all to raise money for their
3:29podcast.
3:30>> Yeah. I'm I'm happy to hear you guys
3:32speaking this way. I told you initially
3:34we couldn't be further from them. We're
3:36not a part of that. We don't buy into
3:38it. We don't feed you nothing. It's I
3:41was almost happy in a way his most
3:43recent episode spoke of me so
3:44negatively. So it's that's not some show
3:46we're putting on like I don't like them,
3:48they don't like me, you know, and I want
3:50that to be clear. We're not fueling this
3:52brigade against you publicly.
3:53>> No, it it it feels different to me
3:56sometimes, but that's just because of
3:58the circumstance that they're creating.
4:00You know,
4:00>> I understand that. So we have I can't be
4:02more clear with you. We have nothing to
4:03do with that. We we were told point
4:06blankly by them that when we took it
4:09over that was a concern of ours that you
4:10know the the show they put on I mean
4:13literally and metaphorically they we
4:15were told it was going to stop and
4:17unfortunately they didn't keep their
4:18word and there's nothing he's probably
4:20explained to you we have no control over
4:21that.
4:22>> That's a freedom of speech thing. They
4:23can do whatever they want. I can't stop
4:24that unfortunately.
4:25>> I couldn't get away with saying a lot of
4:27things that they're saying.
4:29>> Well and and you know Dan like he would
4:32love to respond. He would love to say,
4:34you know, whatever.
4:36>> Wasn't doing any good.
4:37>> Wasn't doing any good.
4:38>> No,
4:40when they attacked our apartment,
4:41wouldn't do us any good, you know.
4:43>> Then you stoop to their level and then
4:45you're wondering.
4:46>> Yeah.
4:47>> But it just it hurts.
4:49>> Yep. Completely. Well, I've never been
4:52in your shoes, but I could I could
4:53empathize with that. Yes. It's
4:56>> until you're in a person's shoes like
4:58myself, you never understand.
5:00>> I'm sure. You know, that's what always
5:02goes through my head is uh you know what
5:05D always told me about her brother
5:12and I could never understand how she
5:14could tell me things like that.
5:18>> I understand you 100% now.
5:20>> Yeah. No, you've seen the other side.
5:22>> Yeah.
5:22>> Cuz I was the one that always pushed her
5:24to bite them down for Christmas,
5:26Thanksgiving.
5:28you know, she wanted to sue him because
5:29her parents passed away. He changed, he
5:31was the, you know, guardian over the
5:34power of attorney. He changed all the
5:35paperwork. So, she got nothing.
5:38>> Oh, wow. I got
5:39>> nothing. She got not one penny.
5:42>> Was Was there a lot of money there?
5:44>> You go a million dollar farming
5:46>> operation down the road and she was
5:47supposed to get a percentage of a
5:49portion of it.
5:50>> She was promised property. And
5:52>> I told her, you know, I feel horrible
5:54now. I told her, "It's not worth it. Why
5:56destroy the family over money and land?
6:00>> Yeah.
6:00>> But I didn't understand
6:05until later,
6:08you know, and
6:11it's unbelievable.
6:15I feel horrible now because,
6:18you know, after the fact, I feel
6:20responsible because I invited him down
6:22to the house and I could never
6:23understand.
6:25She started drinking and act just what
6:28the hell's going on? Why you acting like
6:30this, Keith?
6:32Makes sense now.
6:34You know, she got to the point where she
6:36did not trust men.
6:41You know, I I feel guilty as hell for
6:46not your fault. You didn't know. Yeah.
6:48>> But that doesn't help. It doesn't.
6:52>> Did you learn that?
6:57He won't flat out tell me stuff. There's
7:00plenty of privilege, but you know, he'll
7:02point me in directions and I'll look
7:04back and think, you know, what went on,
7:06you know, and he's he said, "You need to
7:09go get the book Walking on Eggshells
7:10eggshells and read his book." And I went
7:13and got it. I'm like, "Oh my god, this
7:15is my wife 100%."
7:18>> He says, "Yeah,
7:20your wife is a high functioning
7:22borderline personality."
7:26You didn't know she was slowly
7:28destroying you and you didn't know cuz
7:30she was having control and you look at
7:32that you read it and you go
7:34>> oh my god this is
7:38>> but it's just
7:40>> yeah you the the whole circumstance with
7:43um your family and
7:47the whole thing is unfortunate this
7:49incident happened and now everything
7:50after that is not necessary you Yeah.
7:53Well, I I I kind of blame some of this
7:57justice for D and that on law
7:58enforcement just because of the tactics
8:01and the things you guys do to try and
8:03get the truth.
8:04>> I mean, having lied to a lot of people
8:06at first, which law enforcement you can
8:08to get information you need and he lied
8:10to a lot of the family members.
8:12>> Oh, what uh can you tell me
8:13specifically? I'm here.
8:14>> Well, he told family members that he
8:16knew that I did something to D. Ah,
8:19>> so when you tell my stepkids that you
8:22know that Dale did something to his
8:24wife, who they going to believe? They
8:26going to believe Dale anymore? Are they
8:27going to believe Kevin Grea?
8:29>> Right?
8:30>> That was the turning point. They all
8:32turned against me. This was like 6
8:34months after the fact.
8:35>> I mean, we we'd been getting along,
8:38tolerating each other,
8:40>> was able to see him, you know, and we
8:42were just biting our tongues and trying
8:45to get through, waiting for mom to come
8:46home.
8:47>> Yeah. And soon as he went around and
8:49started saying that, it was over.
8:52>> So, I mean, I blame a lot of that on
8:53him, but he's doing his job, you know.
8:56>> Well, um, based on how things ended with
8:58the sheriff's department. Unfortunately,
9:00a lot of our questioning today are
9:02things that you've answered and things
9:04that because you've already answered, we
9:05know that the answers to them, but it's
9:07important that we're asking them because
9:08we need to remove the sheriff's
9:10department. Does that make sense? So,
9:12>> so we need to hear firsthand from Dale.
9:14So,
9:14>> I mean there's I don't I mean I'll do
9:16the best I can to answer questions, but
9:18I mean
9:18>> I get it.
9:18>> We're almost 2 years after the fact.
9:20>> Yeah. And some of the specifics because
9:22we've been able to watch we watch all
9:24the videos numerous times of you
9:26specifically in audio. We can prompt you
9:28and said, "Well, you said this before
9:30XYZ." Does that make sense?
9:31>> Uh and along those lines, it's you can
9:34appreciate. I just want to be clear.
9:36>> Totally.
9:36>> Yeah. We need to hear it from Dale. So,
9:38if at some point you want us to leave,
9:39you can talk. Just say that. But, um I
9:41just don't want to be adversarial with
9:42you today. I I will just I then we you
9:46know from the minute I began to
9:48represent Dale I said listen you got a
9:52decision to make.
9:56I said
9:58my position is
10:01be as transparent as possible. Offer up
10:03everything that you have
10:05>> so that they can conduct their
10:06investigation and do it properly. And
10:09then you got your conscience is free and
10:11you're good. So everything that we've
10:14done, every interview we've done, every
10:16meeting we've had with law enforcement
10:18has always been Dale's free to speak.
10:21You know, I I and I'm not going to
10:23interrupt him. I'm not going to get
10:24involved. But
10:25>> I appreciate that. And the reason why I
10:26say that up front is I don't want us to
10:28become adversarial in the end of it.
10:29That's all.
10:30>> I had I you know, I believe him. I
10:32believe everything he's told me. I've
10:34been doing this almost 30 years. I've
10:36had clients who've lied to me as you
10:38know most lawyers,
10:40but I I think I I I mean I've been in
10:43I've been in this for quite a long time
10:45now and I've seen the facts and you know
10:50unfortunately for these families facts
10:52are stubborn things and
10:54he's an innocent guy. He's just a good
10:57person who cares a lot about his family
10:59and has done all the right things. And
11:01I'm like Dale I I've been through this.
11:04it will be over at some point and you
11:07know hopefully with you know with
11:09meeting with you guys and having this
11:11cleared the air and you know maybe you
11:14guys can come out and make a statement
11:15and say hey we've done everything we can
11:17do right now it's a missing person case
11:20Dale's no longer a person of interest
11:22and um we're just going to you know
11:24until we find something or hear about
11:26something or know something
11:28we're going to put this to bed until we
11:30do and and I think that he and I and
11:33everybody would feel a lot more
11:34comfortable if we could accomplish that.
11:36I think it would be really good.
11:38>> Yeah. The the the rest of the family
11:40we've um so what we essentially have
11:42done we started interviewing people um
11:45that were there that day and so really
11:48when people we made contact are the
11:50adult children in LU. Um, and there's
11:52reasons for that, but um, the reason I
11:55bring that up is they've asked us to do
11:56similar things, but the opposite. And
11:58our explanation is always as a
12:00department, we don't make public
12:02statements regarding a person of
12:04interest or a suspect or a person that's
12:06believed missing or deceased. We just
12:08investigate. So, the Billy Little clan
12:10and other people can do what they want.
12:12But if if you were to contact, we have a
12:14a public information officer, a
12:16lieutenant in charge of making public
12:17statements. If you were to call them
12:18right now and ask them for a statement,
12:20they would probably say something to the
12:21effect of the investigative team is
12:23working diligently and right
12:24>> the results just speak for themselves.
12:26We just don't make statements like that
12:27unfortunately. I can appreciate your
12:28sentiment, but um because then it
12:31becomes political and then well you said
12:33this a week ago and now you're saying so
12:35as a rule of thumb we just don't do it.
12:37>> We we we would just like to be able to
12:39put this thing to bed at least. No,
12:40>> you and we both. Absolutely.
12:42>> I mean I I I would like to be able to
12:44shut down Billy Little and those guys
12:45and say hello to us.
12:48Good luck.
12:48>> Yeah, they love it. So, we try.
12:52>> As far as our team goes, um the
12:54department the state police have put
12:55myself and my partner, Detective
12:57Sergeant Singleton, on this case
12:59full-time. We have a a third detective
13:01that's on it full-time and then we have
13:03a number of other people that are
13:04working depending on their specialty in
13:06and out essentially. So, um the
13:09resources and time we put forth are um
13:12tremendous. I'm not saying that to
13:13boast. I'm saying that we're just taking
13:15it very seriously. Um Scott has a lot of
13:18time on. He's been on for almost 25
13:20years.
13:21>> And in his time, he he can only recall
13:23one other instance where he allocated
13:25resources like just to one specific
13:26case. So when I say that we're on this
13:28full time, I mean this sounds corny, but
13:31I've been ordered. This is all I'm
13:32allowed to work on. He's been ordered.
13:34This is all he's allowed to work on.
13:35Does that make sense? So you can
13:37obviously you have our information.
13:39You're free to interface with us as much
13:40as you like. The third detective we have
13:42on um he's not going to be accessible to
13:44the public and that's intentionally. We
13:46can kind of leave him behind the curtain
13:48and he can just work on whatever he's
13:50working on. Uh that isn't in any way to
13:52be secretive intentionally. That's just
13:53so he can be focused on his assignments
13:55essentially. So
13:56>> I I know too you've talked who is
13:59>> my partner has. Yeah.
14:00>> Okay.
14:02>> Fill you in on some of the financial
14:04stuff that that maybe Dale or I may not
14:06be able to fill you in at free talk too.
14:10>> Okay. great.
14:11>> He is uh he's a transparent guy. You
14:15probably know his history. I can tell
14:16you all about it because I represented
14:18him years ago. It was nothing about
14:20anything that you're reading.
14:22>> 99% of the time that my guess is that
14:26it's going to be overturned by the court
14:27of appeals.
14:28>> Uh his case is pending right now.
14:30Michigan Court of Appeals and they're
14:31going to overturn it. Open County
14:32Prosecutor's Office has basically mailed
14:35it in. So,
14:36>> okay.
14:36>> There's I I can tell you he's an
14:38innocent guy. There's nothing.
14:40Basically, what happened was he was the
14:42CFO of a company that went into some
14:44financial trouble and the owner of the
14:47company blamed
14:49a couple of things that went wrong. And
14:52when you're the CFO and you're holding
14:54the bag, it doesn't look good to your
14:56investors.
14:57And there was some stuff that was
15:01manipulated in order to bring that case
15:04to trial. But he was acquitted on
15:06everything except one count that was
15:09completely unreasonable and the jury
15:11shouldn't have had it anyway. And
15:14anyway, it was a big misunderstanding.
15:16Unfortunately, is now brought out to
15:18this massive buck. I will say this,
15:22>> good guy. He was down to earth. He's
15:23very knowledgeable. He certainly knows
15:25what's going on with the with the books
15:28and records here. He's been pretty
15:32um comfortable talking to anybody that
15:33that asks questions and um you know he's
15:38provided all the information that I've
15:40needed in order to respond to some of
15:42these things that the conservator has.
15:44>> Okay.
15:44>> He's the one that actually found all the
15:46stuff on, you know, to misappropriate
15:51funds and move stuff around and
15:54he's got all that information. So I the
15:57only reason I'm saying that is feel free
15:58to talk
16:00>> is a very competent down to earth guy.
16:06>> Okay.
16:07>> And D and I both were aware
16:11of recording the first time.
16:13>> Okay.
16:14>> So what's that like was it was the same.
16:17>> Okay.
16:20>> There are a few topics we want to cover
16:22with you today. kind of the basis
16:23overall um your relationship with DE
16:26things that happened that day. So we
16:27might be jumping around a little bit but
16:29um to kind of start from the beginning
16:31um just to learn a little bit more about
16:34you. Uh can you tell me about how you
16:35became involved in farming and uh
16:39>> okay kind of what your history is.
16:41>> Okay. How did that begin? Was because
16:43your father's a farmer too, right?
16:45>> Yeah, I farmed with my father for
16:47several years and my brother and my
16:49grandfather. Okay. milk cows. That's how
16:53it started.
16:54>> And then um when you had met D, you were
16:56working for a company, right?
16:58>> Yeah, I was worked for crop production
16:59service.
17:00>> I know you changed your name. Is it
17:01nutrient now?
17:02>> Nutrient now.
17:02>> Okay. And so how did you go from farming
17:04with that to working there? Can you
17:06describe that a little bit?
17:07>> I was farming with my father. We was uh
17:09milking cows and crop farming. Um I was
17:13married to my first wife time and uh we
17:18were just having differences of opinion
17:20how to manage our own farming operation.
17:23My brother wanted to uh you know come
17:26into the farming operation. He was
17:27working with us. Um he did not want to
17:30take on any of the financial
17:32responsibilities
17:34um far as having a debt put in his name.
17:36He just wanted to f say yeah let's buy
17:38this. Let's do this um
17:40>> okay
17:40>> and we'd be okay with that. I didn't
17:42agree with that at all. I mean, if you
17:43want to have a say in what's going on,
17:45you got to have some sweet in the game.
17:47>> Absolutely.
17:48>> And uh he didn't want to and dad didn't.
17:51Uh,
17:53you know, agree with my the way I looked
17:56at it. So, we split it. Dad bought me
17:59out. I left and kept farming what I had,
18:03you know, previously been farming the
18:04ground I had that I own. And before
18:06that, I I moved to another house. Uh we
18:10moved over to that city across from her
18:11parents house and we were living there
18:13in farming and when I was with dad I was
18:16looking for more I was always the one
18:18that was looking for more business
18:19opportunities things to grow or to do.
18:22Um we tried doing some trucking. Um dad
18:26brother did really wasn't doing that
18:27just taking my time. They fell away from
18:29the cab operation.
18:31>> Okay.
18:31>> Um but uh so the trucking didn't go over
18:35well. I was looking I did all the
18:36spraying and everything on farm so I was
18:39very uh knowledgeable the spraying and
18:42application. Um I was doing some
18:44spraying for other people with sprayer
18:46equipment that we had. Um I left dad and
18:49started farming u on my own basically
18:51and was living in Anstead and was
18:53looking at uh you know doing more ground
18:56and doing more things. to another
18:58gentleman I do start my life as manager
19:01of nutrient and he was the manager on SC
19:04production and uh he approached me and
19:07asked me if I be interested and you know
19:09if I'm going to work for them I says I
19:11not really I'm going to buy spray and do
19:14my own thing well they started passing
19:16around some numbers and stuff and what
19:18they come back with is they tell us what
19:20you want have it so I threw my number
19:23and I thought was way high and they took
19:27says, "The only thing is you're going to
19:28have to work with Seline because I don't
19:29need you in listing." So, I started
19:32working in Selen at crop production and
19:35I did all my farming on the side and um
19:39I was set up to do sales and application
19:42and so salary
19:45and uh they would uh I would work 100
19:48hours a week salary and then the first
19:52season rolls around slow time they lay
19:54me off. I'm thinking you're laying me
19:55off. What the I started I just put in
19:57$100 a week for the last four months and
20:00now you're laying me off.
20:02>> So that didn't go over real well with
20:04me. But I stuck it out.
20:06>> I learned a business and I didn't like
20:08the way they treated people. I mean,
20:11you're just a number. You know, go sell
20:13this to him whether he needs it or not
20:15because their mentality was if you don't
20:18sell this, we're not going to stay in
20:19business. And if the farmer goes out of
20:21business, it's gone. Who cares? there'll
20:23be somebody else that takes a stock.
20:25Well, I didn't really like that at all.
20:27You know, I'm here to help you make
20:29money and if you make money tonight in
20:31return, we'll make money,
20:32>> right? So, you know, I I stuck it out,
20:34stayed there,
20:36>> working part time and doing different
20:38things. You had four kids and D was my
20:41competition. She worked at Royster
20:43Clark, which was on Stein Road there in
20:48>> So, we had pretty much a rival rivalry
20:51between the two of us. Had you known
20:52each other prior?
20:53>> We knew each other prior because growing
20:55up we had dairy cows. She I mean her
20:57parents had cows, milk cows, had cows
21:00and we showed at the fair. So it was a
21:02competition thing, you know, our whole
21:04lives competition with us.
21:06>> Um so she was working at Roster Clark. I
21:10was doing my farming and uh with crop
21:13production
21:15and what was it here we as we went along
21:17it was it was the thing is you know I'd
21:19go around take all of her customers and
21:21she'd be pissed from you know jump up
21:23and down and uh I was raising seed corn
21:26at the time and they had a machine that
21:28we didn't have at crop production I
21:30couldn't spray the corn because machine
21:32wasn't tall enough and it worked there
21:35all giving me a hard time you'll never
21:36go I says I'm going to go over there and
21:37have them go spray my field they're like
21:39you won't do that. You know, I had balls
21:40left on her. So, I went in there and
21:42she's at the counter and I walked up and
21:43I says, "Hey, I got a field over here.
21:45See, I need you to spray." She didn't
21:46recognize me cuz she had seen me in so
21:48long. She didn't know who I was.
21:50So, we're standing at the counter and
21:52I'm like, "I need to spray over here."
21:54Okay. She's writing it all down and she
21:57was trying the hardest to figure out who
21:58the hell I was. And she couldn't do it.
22:00She didn't know. All the guys in the
22:02office knew who I was, but she didn't
22:04know. So it was kind of a real comical
22:07thing as I was staying there and she's
22:08writing up a spray order to come spray
22:10the competition's corn.
22:13So when I left there then you know I had
22:16the orders she come they sprayed it and
22:18uh uh we kind of hit it off talking and
22:21doing different things and you know and
22:23I had were having some problems mar time
22:26and her were having some problems and I
22:30don't know we kind of hit it off and we
22:31was at the fair you know auction night
22:34buying cattle stuff I was buying for
22:35crop production myself and she was
22:37buying for Royster Clark and I don't
22:39know we kind of just hit it off and
22:41started talking back and forth And the
22:43rest is history. And then uh my company,
22:46which is Crop Production, bought hers
22:48out. Bought Rice Republic out. Well, she
22:51didn't know, but my company bought them
22:52out. And the whole plans was they were
22:54going to fire everybody after they got
22:55everything to get milk out of the
22:57company.
22:57>> Mhm.
22:58>> So, she came to work on board with us
23:01and I kept my mouth shut as long as I
23:03could that, you know, they're just using
23:05they're going to figure it as soon as
23:07they got what they want.
23:09And you know, it's in the back of my
23:11mind I didn't like, like I said, how
23:13they're treating people and all the
23:15stuff. Well, I've been there for three
23:16years now. So, I've learned basically
23:18the business of what to do, what
23:20licensed.
23:22>> Mhm.
23:23>> They trained their next competition. So,
23:26from there, we split off and started our
23:28own
23:29and we did very well the first five, six
23:31years, you know, and we made a long way.
23:36You're referring to uh spraying for your
23:39own customer base.
23:40>> Yeah. Okay.
23:41>> Yeah. We started our own fertilizer and
23:42chemical company out.
23:44>> Okay.
23:45>> And we were still farming and um from
23:48the relationships that I built at crop
23:51production and over the years with
23:53spring and you know you do a good job
23:56they remember it. So you don't get you
23:57call back. So we build a lot of
23:59relationships and there's a gentleman
24:01that uh we did a lot of stuff with him
24:03and I knew him well too.
24:06He got cancer and he was farming 78,000
24:09acres and um I just went over I didn't
24:13charge him. I just whatever I got to
24:15>> Mhm.
24:15>> when he passed away he left me also.
24:18>> Oh, okay.
24:19>> That's how we gained all our acreage
24:21that we gained.
24:22>> Okay.
24:23>> Early on. I mean, he just let he told
24:25his wife that they only need to take
24:27over all the contracts that we had for
24:28the land. So, I mean, that was a big
24:30boost in the arm. So, okay.
24:32>> Gain a lot of ground. If if I could back
24:34up a little bit just more towards the
24:36beginning, you and D get together and
24:38there was some property at Munger. She
24:40had that property from her dad, right?
24:42>> She Well, it didn't come from her dad.
24:44She bought it in an auction. The farm
24:46had been bought by a school teacher.
24:48>> Okay.
24:49>> And I guess he lost it mentally or did
24:52something. Well, the farm went for
24:54auction.
24:54>> Oh, okay. and D went over there to the
24:56auction and unbeknownsted to she buys it
25:00and he comes home and finds out well be
25:03bought a farm today. So he was not real
25:05happy but she just spent3 $400,000
25:09I'll pay for this.
25:10>> Yeah. This is what D told me after the
25:12fact. I didn't know this at the time.
25:14>> Okay. And outside of that land was there
25:16any You said you were doing some farming
25:18on your own. What did your property look
25:19like prior to inheriting property?
25:23>> I mean acre wise. Yeah. What what was
25:25your
25:26>> I was farming close to probably 1500
25:28acres.
25:28>> Okay.
25:29>> Picked up. I was I was farming my
25:31basically my partner or my uh person
25:34that was helping me at the time.
25:36>> Okay.
25:37>> You know, he basically was trying to do
25:38everything by himself. I was doing
25:40everything by myself. So, we went
25:43together and it worked great. He's an
25:47older guy. He's in his 70s. Um I still
25:50work his property today. He's retired
25:52basically.
25:53just comes out and dries around.
25:56>> Good job. You don't go straight. So,
25:58>> small disclaimer, we slow down a couple
26:00times. Scott and I grew up in the city,
26:02so most time we come, we have no idea
26:04what you're talking about. So, if I slow
26:05you down for a park, I'm not insulting
26:07you. It's I'm making fun of myself.
26:08>> It's like the Neil Young this old man.
26:12>> No, that's No, that's you know, was
26:13craft farming, raising corn, soybeans.
26:15>> Okay. is what we do. And uh you know D
26:18and I seen the niche that when they're
26:21telling me to sell something to somebody
26:23that they don't need it, I mean I'm here
26:25to help you make money. In return, I'll
26:27make money. And that's basically
26:30how I got where I'm at today. I mean, I
26:33have not as many guys now, but
26:36>> you know, they just say, "Dale, don't do
26:38it. We don't care. We don't want to know
26:39what the price is. Just do it because
26:40you know, they know that I'm going to
26:42make them."
26:43>> Yeah. You're going to do what needs to
26:44be done, right? I'm going to treat they
26:46says we know you're going to treat our
26:48property just like you treat your own.
26:50>> That's why you're here.
26:52>> That's a good feeling.
26:53>> Absolutely.
26:55>> Or it's the competitors would try to
26:56like I guess upsell them things that
26:58they don't need is
26:59>> Well, they're there to make money and I
27:01mean we all got to make money. It's just
27:04>> I can only sell you what you can afford
27:07because I want you there the next year,
27:08>> right?
27:09>> Where the competition don't care because
27:10they look at it just like somebody else
27:11is going to take your ground and they'll
27:12sell to them.
27:13>> Yeah. So do what you got. When the
27:16>> president of Prop Production come out
27:18and told me that, I'm like,
27:19>> I'm all done with you, man. This is not
27:22me.
27:23>> You know, I'm an old school guy. I don't
27:25need a contract. Your word, handshake,
27:28that's gold, you know, and it's burned
27:31me a lot of times, but you know what?
27:33Them people weren worth dealing with
27:35because if their word was no good,
27:37that'll keep me open.
27:39>> Okay. So,
27:40>> I appreciate that. But, you know, we
27:42just kept moving forward. Um, there
27:44wasn't anything that D and I couldn't
27:47accomplish if we I mean, you work hard.
27:50If you're struggling, you work harder
27:52and we get through it. Um, so we built
27:55our empire basically together.
27:58Um, we bought two Russell's vegetable
28:01farm. That was the biggest mistake in
28:03our lives.
28:05>> Can you talk us a little more about
28:06that?
28:07>> We uh we're looking at buying ground. We
28:09were gaining ground. This parcel came up
28:11for well for sales. They were not
28:14publicly telling people but behind the
28:15scenes they were wanting to get rid of
28:17it and it was around 2,000 acres. It was
28:201,500 acres of the main farm and plus
28:22additional ground. We went up talked to
28:24them and I pencled everything out and we
28:25could make money.
28:27So we talked to him on a uh into a land
28:30contract.
28:32Um, they uh were supposed to stay on for
28:34three years and work with us to help us
28:36get transition because I didn't be like
28:38you guys running vegetable farm. I had
28:40no freaking idea.
28:41>> I'm sure you'd be doing a little better
28:42off than us, but I mean I mean that all
28:45make it doing corn and soybeans. So, you
28:48know, and she said, "Oh, we got to do
28:49vegetables." And she talked me into the
28:51vegetable side, keeping all the people
28:52on it, which, you know, after the turned
28:55into a nightmare, but I mean, we tried,
28:57we sunk millions of dollars this place
29:00to get it going. And Drew Russell's I
29:03mean, we should have done better with
29:04our contracts and different things far
29:06as making sure they would stay on
29:11quit like two, three months after we got
29:12started. He's the one that did all the
29:14trunking and selling to the market.
29:18about 9 months after the first harvest.
29:20Passed up stuck around with for about a
29:21year and a half and he quit and it's
29:23like I don't know how to do.
29:25>> Mhm.
29:26>> So we tried and it was a big fail. Um
29:29but uh now hindsight I look back is why
29:33it failed. There's I mean you can always
29:35look back and point the finger at
29:38everyone else why it failed. Ultimately
29:40it was my fault. I made a poor decision
29:42when I bought it and it all falls back
29:45on me. But the problem it is is, you
29:48know, my my business partner that worked
29:50with me, unbeknownst to me, was
29:53funneling money out at astonishing pace
29:57and she was getting hungrier and hungry
29:59and bolder and boulder and I didn't even
30:01I was my wife, I trust her 100%.
30:04>> Right?
30:04>> You know, and I look back now and there
30:08was we went to Detroit Detroit market
30:11where they sell produce and stuff over
30:13there. I guess I'm talking about over in
30:15Detroit where they sell all the produce.
30:16Yeah.
30:16>> It's all cash money.
30:17>> Like the farmers market here.
30:18>> Yeah. Yeah.
30:18>> It's all cash money.
30:21>> I don't have any necessarily any cash
30:22money put into any of my accounts.
30:25>> Where money all go?
30:27>> I see.
30:29>> Yeah, we we definitely want to get into
30:30the the financial stuff. Um
30:33>> some questions there. But
30:34>> I mean there's I mean there's a point in
30:36time how far do you go back and we're
30:38not going to get any of the money back.
30:40It's gone,
30:41>> you know. But I mean, how much more
30:43money did you throw at money? It's gone.
30:45Okay. Yeah, they took it. It's gone.
30:48Let's go forward.
30:49>> If I could back you up just a little
30:51bit, when uh you had separated from your
30:53dad and your your brother, however you
30:55want to phrase that. Uh was there any
30:57love loss there or was your
30:58relationship?
31:00>> Yeah. What what did that relationship
31:02like moving forward? Were you on good
31:03terms with your dad in a short amount of
31:05time or how did that look?
31:06>> We didn't do any business with them for
31:07years and years. I mean, we we talked
31:10got together for Christmas, but it was
31:12it was bad. I mean, I think my dad still
31:14has resentment toward me for leaving,
31:16>> but you know, hindsight, it was the
31:18hardest thing I ever did in my life. You
31:20know, I worked there, put my whole 25
31:23years of my life in before I left,
31:24everything into it, and I had to walk
31:26away.
31:28And, you know, I didn't get anything for
31:30a sweat equity or anything I put in to
31:32build the place.
31:33>> I mean, I go over there today in a
31:34milking parlor and all this stuff. I
31:36built all that 20 some years ago.
31:38>> Yeah.
31:39>> You know, I did it. Did I get anything?
31:40I mean, all the building equipment was a
31:42vinyl left. It was all leased. Did I get
31:44it? No. It's there, but it's my family.
31:48So,
31:49>> what was your relationship like overall
31:50with with your parents? Was your dad
31:52someone you admired growing up?
31:53>> My dad was my best buddy at my wedding.
31:57>> My dad was my best friend. It was the
31:59hardest thing I did in LA.
32:00>> I see.
32:02And and in contrast, how was your
32:03relationship with him now in comparison
32:05to how it was then?
32:06>> He was the best man in my second
32:08wedding, too.
32:09>> Okay. So, I mean, we we made amends.
32:12It's just you got to be able to separate
32:15business and family. It's hard to do,
32:17but we did. Um
32:20they um
32:23De was a hard person to get along with
32:26business-wise
32:28>> and be like you do with Greg.
32:30>> You know that's how she is.
32:36My dad and I we talk about every day you
32:38know what's far going on. He's getting
32:41up in age and I know I don't have him
32:43forever and
32:44>> yeah,
32:45>> you know, I'm very concerned on what's
32:47going to happen there if he's gone. My
32:49brother,
32:50>> why do you say this?
32:51>> He's not My brother's a worker. He's not
32:54a financial uh manager. He does not know
32:58how to manage people. Well, he just will
33:02say the wrong word. I mean, like go do
33:05that job. It's like can you I mean the
33:08wording I mean you guys it's all in the
33:10wording on people.
33:12>> Yeah. Especially when you're managing
33:13people here.
33:13>> Yeah. I mean he he is a damn good worker
33:17>> but he does not unmanage people in the
33:19dairy business.
33:20>> You should see him if I don't manage him
33:21right.
33:23You know you know what I'm saying. It's
33:25everybody is good at something
33:28you know and they're poor at other
33:29things. Well my brother's damn good at
33:31working and getting things done. I mean,
33:34my dad, my brother, and myself, we could
33:35do the work with probably 15, 20 people
33:37because we know he knows what I'm
33:39thinking. He knows what I'm thinking.
33:41>> Yeah.
33:41>> We're there. It's a fine tuned machine.
33:44>> Yeah.
33:45>> So, you know, and I It was a hard thing
33:47to leave. And
33:49>> but I'm worried about how things are
33:51going to
33:52go over there when dad's gone. My dad
33:55and brother and I have talked about
33:58merging back together, but it's it's not
33:59easy work with family.
34:01>> Yeah. You know, you got to be able to
34:03separate out my brother and I know
34:06there's times we rolled around the field
34:07beating each other up fighting and next
34:10day we're working together side by side
34:12all day long. But it's hard.
34:15>> Mhm. And u so we're kind of in limbo
34:20because with the leaving and everything
34:23that's going on that's put a strain on
34:25us doing anything together. Putting the
34:28businesses back together moving towards
34:30the future cuz he shows up tomorrow.
34:33What's that going to do to you? What's
34:35going to happen? If he doesn't show up,
34:37what's going to happen? You know, it's
34:40the unknown. It's just like is mom
34:43coming home tonight? I don't know.
34:45You know,
34:48>> so what do you tell me? What do I do?
34:51>> It's very difficult, I'm sure.
34:52>> Yeah. And that's what I have to deal
34:54with every day.
34:57And that's I keep saying if the justice
35:00could be here, but just leave this [ __ ]
35:02alone from day one.
35:04>> Mhm.
35:04>> She could call or she could back. It's
35:07so It's so toxic here. She's not going
35:10back.
35:16um
35:18when you left when you left the farm. So
35:21you I just want to kind of read that
35:22make sure I understand you get a job
35:23with uh your nutrients first name crop
35:27production
35:27>> crop production. Okay. So you worked
35:28there for a while then essentially you
35:30and you get together you start forming
35:31on your own. Um
35:34now you're on good terms essentially
35:36with dad and brother for the most part.
35:38>> Mostly still there's still trust issues
35:41I guess.
35:42>> My dad
35:44Okay.
35:44>> But that's what it is.
35:47>> And how's your relationship with your
35:48mother?
35:50>> Mom is she's still help me. She's living
35:53at the house with me 3 4 days a week
35:55helping me.
35:56>> Okay.
35:57>> It's stressful. Mom lives in the past.
35:59She's got four four houses. You'd think
36:02they'd be rental houses. They're not.
36:05>> She won't let anybody live in them
36:06because she's afraid they'll mess
36:08something up. So the one house is her
36:10uncle lived in. This is going to be this
36:12historical house here. The house on 50
36:15she's got, that's where her sisters and
36:17brothers all grew up. So that's going to
36:19be the historical one here. And then the
36:22mansion house that she has over in
36:24Brooklyn, it's probably 25 30,000 ft. I
36:28don't know if you guys It's
36:29unbelievable.
36:30>> No kidding. Where's that?
36:31>> She married It's on Beach Road in
36:34Brooklyn.
36:35>> She married the gentleman that owned Ann
36:37Arbor Welding Supply and Mitchell Home.
36:40Okay.
36:41>> And um he sold it to his boys. It took
36:44him 18 years to build this house. It's
36:46all it's all mason. The walls are 2,
36:48three ft thick. I mean, it's a fortress.
36:51It's got a pool inside. It was not
36:53finished, but I mean, it's a courtyard.
36:54You walk in there, you go, "Oh my god."
36:57>> It's almost like a hotel inside.
36:59>> It's all brick.
37:00>> Oh, been by it. Help it drive by
37:01sometimes.
37:01>> It's It's off the road.
37:03>> You wouldn't know it.
37:04>> You wouldn't know it.
37:05>> It looks the outside was they were
37:07stuckling it. you know, they put the
37:09chicken wire stuff on. They were going
37:10to stuck on. It's only half done because
37:12he came down with a really weird
37:14disease. It was like Parkinson's where
37:17it affects your eyes and they they stuck
37:19your head and just uh glands and stuff
37:21to where you couldn't swallow. So, I
37:22mean, it was a really horrible death.
37:24>> Oh, wow.
37:24>> But my mom took care of him and he left
37:27everything to her. They got married, you
37:30know. So, but she took care of him till
37:32the end.
37:32>> What she do with that house?
37:34>> I was going to say she got four houses.
37:36She Well, fine. Now, she lives with me,
37:38so she she won't.
37:40>> That's a good problem to have.
37:41>> I mean, she just, you know, I says,
37:44"Mom, why are you killing yourself?" She
37:45does She mows the grass at all these
37:47houses, does all the keep everything
37:48herself, right? Mom, you're killing
37:50yourself. This is stupid.
37:52>> Oh, wow.
37:53>> Well, I don't want them to have this.
37:54And this I remember my family here. And
37:56this one here is where my uncle lived.
37:58And she bought another house. The fourth
38:00house is on the corner across from where
38:02we used to live, where we grew up. A
38:04brick house. She's restoring that. Says,
38:06"What are you going to do with them?"
38:07"Well, I'm going to live in it." God,
38:10she's already got 300 houses. That's
38:12mom. She lives in the past.
38:14>> It's all It's all historical. It's all
38:16>> historical. It's all memories. So, every
38:18day I get to hear the same story three
38:20and four times. You know what mom did,
38:22what grandpa did? It's
38:24>> Here's a real question. Do you think
38:25you're more like your mom or more like
38:26your dad?
38:29>> I think I'm a combination of both.
38:31>> In which way? I think I got my work
38:33ethics and everything from my father and
38:36I have my compassion, everything from my
38:38mom.
38:39>> Okay. I think I've only spoken to your
38:41mom one time, so I've never spoken to
38:42you bad so I don't know, but I'll ask.
38:45>> Um, overall, what's going what's going
38:48good for you in your life right now?
38:50>> My daughter,
38:52>> she's doing well in school, keeping her
38:54on the right path.
38:56>> Um,
38:57that's probably pretty much it. I mean,
39:00my businesses have all been destroyed,
39:02destroyed by law enforcement and the
39:05neighbor down the road.
39:07>> So, I mean, I'm in limbo. I need you
39:10guys to release me from this hell so I
39:13can take the blows off and go back to
39:14doing what I do.
39:16>> Okay. And uh this sounds like a silly
39:18question. From a scale of 1 to 10, 10
39:20being the best, how would you rate your
39:21life right now? One to 10.
39:23>> Probably five.
39:25>> Okay. And why you say that?
39:26>> Cuz my daughter is the only thing that's
39:28keeping me sane.
39:30Okay.
39:32Do you have anyone else um uh close to
39:35you? Like who would you think your Who
39:37is your best friend if you had to save
39:38someone at this point? I know it's
39:40tough.
39:41>> No one.
39:44>> Okay.
39:44>> I mean, I can't trust You can't trust
39:46>> That's why I asked. It's probably tough
39:48right now.
39:48>> You can't trust anyone.
39:49>> Yeah. You know, my I would say my
39:51brother, well, I say my dad, but he's
39:53getting up in age and he can't ride with
39:56heights, you know, so he's just he's
39:58old,
40:00>> he's 75,
40:02>> okay,
40:02>> but he's got, you know, he's worth the
40:04life. He's probably about 200 years old
40:06for the work he's ever done.
40:07>> Yeah.
40:08>> You know, that's all he knows is work.
40:10That's all he's ever done. Never take
40:11vacations, just like my grandpa. All he
40:13does is work. You know, how they deal
40:16with stress, he does work. Well, I say
40:18my brother, but you know,
40:20>> I mean,
40:22I blame
40:29how else to say, you know, for someone
40:32that's wants to look out for you
40:36supposedly and being close to my
40:38brother, I just can't I don't trust her
40:40at all.
40:41>> I was probably put some strain on your
40:43relationship with your brother.
40:44>> A lot.
40:45>> Yeah. How is he handling that you think?
40:49>> Trying to figure out what directions. He
40:51was married and divorced. He doesn't
40:52want to go through that again. He's not
40:53married now, obviously, but he's afraid
40:56that she's going to go back to her
40:57parents and take his daughter away from
40:58him.
40:59>> She's about the same age, right?
41:02>> Well, yet she's two years younger than
41:06>> But you know, that was the thing. That
41:08was her best friend. They played
41:09together and well, that's where she was
41:10at when her mom left. You know, she was
41:12over with my friends.
41:15So,
41:16I don't know. I just don't have I don't
41:18have anything I don't want to say
41:19anything bad about the lady, but I don't
41:21have anything good to say either. My
41:24grandp told me if you don't have
41:25anything good to say, don't say nothing
41:26about.
41:27>> Okay.
41:28>> But that's put a big strain on it.
41:31>> Okay.
41:31>> Probably my best friend is really don't.
41:33That's a good question.
41:34>> If you'd ask me before all this, I'd say
41:36I got a lot of friends, but
41:38>> no.
41:39>> Okay. And um do you do you use tobacco?
41:42No. Do you uh use any drugs? No.
41:45Anything prescribed to you?
41:47>> No. How about alcohol? Consuming
41:48alcohol?
41:49>> No.
41:49>> Even socially? Not nothing?
41:51>> I don't think I've had to drink twice in
41:53my life. Three times?
41:54>> No. Really? Particular reason or just
41:56not?
41:56>> Weddings?
41:57>> Oh, okay.
41:58>> Most.
41:58>> Okay.
41:59>> But no, I've never had any interest in
42:01it.
42:02>> Yeah. How did you feel about coming in
42:03here today?
42:04>> I'm hoping that I can clear the air and
42:06you can basically be done with me.
42:09>> Okay.
42:10>> That's my reason I'm here.
42:11>> Okay. I mean, I think I've told you and
42:13Kevin and them I've never had anything
42:14to hide. I mean, come out and openly
42:18talk to you and show you anything you
42:19want to see, but I don't want you to be
42:21deceptive in proceeding. I want to trust
42:24you. I want you to trust me.
42:25>> I I mean,
42:26>> I don't want you to lie to people.
42:28>> I I should have open with this. Uh I
42:31will not lie to you. I will never lie to
42:33you. I will
42:33>> Well, you lie to anyone else to get
42:34information on.
42:36>> No.
42:36>> Okay. That's That's what I expect. It'll
42:39be 100% truthful with you and I expect
42:40the same in return.
42:41>> That's what you get.
42:42>> Perfect. My handshakes, you know, if
42:45you're going through that door, I'll
42:46have your back.
42:47>> Okay. I'm going to eat you also.
42:50>> I mean, that's that's how I am.
42:53>> And and along those lines uh and when we
42:55get further into the interview, there's
42:56going to be some specific questions uh
42:58that we ask you and we'll get there, I
42:59promise. But um sometimes it's natural
43:02in response you'd want to say, well,
43:04show me how you know that. For instance,
43:06right? Um, the important thing is
43:09getting information from you. There's
43:10some things we just can't share with
43:11you. And I'll explain more of that as we
43:13get to the interview. Okay. I just I
43:14forgot to mention that earlier. So, um,
43:17have you ever been, um, wrongfully
43:19accused of something?
43:22>> Not to think of.
43:23>> Okay.
43:24>> I mean, other than, you know, doing so
43:26to my wife. You talking prior to this?
43:27You mean?
43:28>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
43:30>> Nothing you can think of.
43:31>> Nothing pops into my head, though.
43:33>> Okay.
43:34And how do you feel about being accused
43:36now?
43:38>> It's unbelievable the hurtful things
43:40that people have said.
43:41>> I mean, that's true.
43:44>> I think my I have a theory about that if
43:46I can share with you. Okay.
43:47>> And people have become braver the last
43:4915 years behind a keyboard. You know, if
43:51you the things they'll say about you
43:52online, they'd never save you if they
43:54saw you at a party. And I think it's a
43:56problem with our society to be honest.
43:57>> The name that comes to my mind.
44:00H.
44:01>> What do you mean specifically about him?
44:03>> Keyboard cowboy.
44:04>> Oh, is that right?
44:07>> Toughest man in the room. Long as he's
44:08on the keyboard.
44:09>> I see. Okay.
44:10>> Face to face. He's a little close.
44:12>> Now, um, correct me, but I at the end
44:14the interpation, you guys had an okay
44:15relationship before everything had
44:17happened. Is that not accurate?
44:19>> Yeah. You specifically?
44:20>> We did, but I guess I found out how he
44:22feels about me. I
44:23>> see. Okay. Okay. Just kind of brought
44:25things to life. But it's just
44:29before we had no relationship with them.
44:32I mean, we'd see them once or twice a
44:34year
44:35>> or if they needed chemicals or
44:36fertilizer, I was their man. I was their
44:38best friend.
44:39>> That was it.
44:40>> Yeah.
44:41>> And not specifically with them, but um
44:43within the community, people have kind
44:45of described you in that way. If they
44:46need something, they could call you and
44:47you'd be there without asking for any
44:50but basically you need help, I'm just
44:51there if I have a time.
44:53>> Yeah. So it was a similar relationship
44:54with them is what you're saying. Is that
44:56right? Okay.
44:58And um
45:04why uh why wouldn't you do something to
45:06me?
45:08She's my wife.
45:12She's my wife. I mean that's I married
45:15her. She's my soulmate. I love her.
45:17>> Okay. And what do you think should
45:20happen to someone that did do something
45:21there?
45:24I'm not so sure that someone did
45:26anything to her. I'm still I think she
45:28just left. She is with someone. I mean,
45:30she she obviously had had a good plan.
45:34>> Okay.
45:34>> She left with someone. If they did
45:36something to her, I hope they didn't,
45:38but
45:39I don't
45:42know.
45:44>> Okay.
45:46Um, can you um
45:50kind of in your own words, can you
45:52describe D to me as a person?
45:55The most beautiful woman in the world.
45:59How about her personality? What can you
46:00tell me about her as a person?
46:01>> She can be hot and cold.
46:05>> What do you mean by that? She could be
46:08sweet and
46:10seductive and just the nicest person in
46:12the world. She can be s
46:15It's all for two seconds.
46:19>> How would you describe your marriage
46:20overall?
46:23>> Describe our marriage as a normal
46:24marriage. I mean,
46:27>> we had a lot of arguments and
46:28disagreements, but I mean, look at the
46:31businesses and things we were running.
46:32You're going to have disagreements on
46:34things.
46:35>> And they had a hard time leaving
46:37business in the office. She would bring
46:39it home. If you didn't agree with her,
46:41what would you think? And then she keep
46:43arguing until she convinced you of what
46:45she was saying was right.
46:47>> Okay. And um how would you describe kind
46:50of a normal uh argument with her? What
46:53is that like
46:55the two would be you and her?
46:56>> A normal argument?
46:58>> Yeah. What's what's a typical argument
46:59like for you two?
47:03would start out she would say I accuse
47:06her of doing something or if I catch her
47:08if she I catch her doing something you
47:11know she told me she was going to go
47:12pick something up and she didn't do it
47:14cuz she went shopping I say how come you
47:16didn't get this part you know I had to
47:17have it well you know that's busy and I
47:19had to go do this and she by the end of
47:21the argument she'd have it completely so
47:23far away from the part it'd be my fault
47:25I'd walk away go
47:28>> you're apologizing at the end
47:30>> I'm apologizing I mean she's is massive
47:31and manipulating her own.
47:32>> Are you sure you're not married to my
47:33wife? What's going on here? I got the
47:35same treatment. I think I think they're
47:36all that's why I've been divorced for 13
47:38years.
47:38>> I think they're all sistered in the I
47:40mean, you know, that was that was my
47:42biggest thing going,
47:45you know, after the fact,
47:48you know, she's she left. I told him
47:50once after he's going, Dale, no, she
47:52left because you were getting better.
47:55you were understanding how to talk to
47:57her when you had an argument and you
48:00have to, you know, say, "Okay, honey."
48:03And before you I would be in the middle
48:05of something that you want to argue. He
48:06says, "Dale, you have to stop. You have
48:08to sit down and say, "Okay, what's
48:11bothering you? Let's talk about it." And
48:13I would never do that until close to the
48:15before she left. And that's when I was
48:17finally boom, the light goes on. This is
48:20what I got to do. Men are from what is
48:22Men are from Mars, women are from Venus
48:24or whatever.
48:25>> Mhm.
48:25>> You know, I have to sit down and talk to
48:28her. As soon as I started doing that,
48:30she didn't know how to argue anymore.
48:32It's like, oh, I'm screwed because I was
48:36sitting down. Okay, do you tell me what
48:38you're doing, what you need to do, and
48:40how we can fix it. And she didn't know
48:42how to hand it. And she just get pissed
48:45and take off and walk away or leave.
48:47>> How often would that happen?
48:50Oh, it was once or twice a week we'd had
48:52an a good argument over something. Okay.
48:55I mean, I shouldn't say an argument. We
48:56disagree on how to do things or, you
48:58know, where where this truck is going or
49:02who this guy's going to get done. It was
49:03always a disagreement on on things are
49:06getting done for the business.
49:08>> Okay. And how often would she uh to my
49:10understanding, it wasn't uncommon for
49:12her to leave for a night and go stay
49:13somewhere. How often would that happen?
49:16>> That was random. I don't know. If you
49:18had to guess how many times a month,
49:20>> probably once or twice.
49:22>> Okay. And that was consist and it
49:24wouldn't be, you know, she would just
49:26she would get pissed off and leave and
49:27she'd just go to town, go shopping for
49:29the day and won't answer your phone or
49:32if she's really pissed off, she'd take
49:33off and go house and stay for a day or
49:36two or you didn't know. I mean, you
49:39never knew how long
49:41>> before she'd be back.
49:44>> Okay.
49:45>> So that I mean, that's why I never was
49:47worried.
49:48until Walter or someone abided it and he
49:51was wrong because just took off and come
49:54back.
49:56>> And uh before I I have a few questions
49:58for you and again before I ask these uh
50:00some of these uh are just reports we
50:02have from other people. So me asking it
50:03does not mean that I think it's true. I
50:05want you to understand that. Okay?
50:06>> And I mean that sincerely. Uh so we have
50:09uh reports from different people
50:12regarding there being violence in your
50:13household historically between you and
50:15D. Uh, can you describe that to us?
50:17>> There's no violence.
50:19>> Not at all.
50:21You know, having a highly leveled
50:24conversation back and forth with each
50:25other.
50:26>> Can you describe what you mean by high
50:27levels?
50:28>> Just hollering at each other. You know,
50:30we would be saying deaf. Mom would
50:32scream and holler tongs at me and I be
50:35hollering back at her,
50:38but there was never any violence.
50:42And how often would those types of
50:44discussions occur?
50:47>> No, a couple times a month probably. It
50:48just been depend on if a truck got
50:50rolled over that day or if somebody
50:52smashed something up or what went wrong
50:54in the business.
50:55>> I see. Okay. So, what would you say if
50:57the person that had given us that
50:59information regarding violence in the
51:00household was here? What would you say
51:02to them?
51:03>> You don't know what he's talking about.
51:05He's probably going by hearsay from what
51:07someone else told him.
51:09>> Okay.
51:12Um,
51:13what can you tell us specifically about
51:15the um device that was installed on De's
51:18car on her Escalade? Some people refer
51:20to it as a tracking device. What can you
51:22tell us about that?
51:23>> Installed on the Escalade.
51:26>> Okay. So, we had received information
51:28that there was a a device installed in
51:30the Escalade and that um she had
51:32discovered it and it resulted in an
51:34argument between the two of you.
51:35>> There's number anything. I've never
51:37argued over the Escalade device in
51:39there.
51:40>> Okay. Do you know anything about a
51:41device in general that she felt was
51:43tracking her or something on a vehicle?
51:45Was that
51:45>> She thought I put one in the Hummer.
51:47>> Okay. Can you tell us a little bit about
51:48that?
51:48>> I put a um diagnostic device you plug
51:51into it
51:52>> to see how it's running, if run or
51:55change anything. And I She figured it
51:57was a tracking device and I could tell
51:59where she was at.
52:00>> Oh, okay. And why do you think she would
52:02feel that way?
52:04>> She was paranoid. She didn't want anyone
52:06to know where she was at, what she was
52:08doing. I mean, this is me finding out
52:10after the fact.
52:11>> Okay.
52:12>> And the Escalade had OnStar on, so I
52:14could tell where the Escalade was at any
52:16time and every time.
52:17>> Okay.
52:19>> The last Escalade, not the first one,
52:21just the second one.
52:22>> Okay. And um what about there being
52:24rumors of
52:27>> you say to that?
52:29>> At the time when she left, I would say
52:32no. But now I really don't know how to
52:37answer that question.
52:38>> Okay. Um, you've had a lot of time to
52:41think about it. Do you think it was
52:42possible? You think it was true?
52:45>> I am leaning towards that it was true,
52:47but in my mind, I still only think that
52:50my life, my wife was true to me.
52:52>> Okay.
52:53>> What else?
52:55I don't know. until she's here before I
52:57can ask and confront her. I guess I'm
52:59going to say she's innocent until she
53:01tells me otherwise or there's proof.
53:03>> Okay. Had that been a suspicion of yours
53:05in the past? Something you had
53:06confronted her on prior to this?
53:09>> Never.
53:12>> Um, looking back, were there any
53:14indicators that may have been the case
53:15back then?
53:17>> Looking back, yeah, there's a lot of
53:18things that would have been any
53:20question. I guess I am.
53:22>> What? What things? Can you describe them
53:24to me?
53:26being gone for hours at a time with the
53:28vehicle and being gone. I mean, not
53:31being able to account for where you've
53:33been or not wanting to tell me where
53:34you've been.
53:36>> Okay.
53:37>> So,
53:37>> anything else?
53:39>> Okay.
53:41>> I mean, this is all stuff that I found
53:43out in the last
53:463 4 months, you know, and and a lot of
53:49it maybe is all just there's so many
53:51rumors and so much going on.
53:53>> I'm sure. Like I say, I'm not going to
53:55believe any of it till she's in front of
53:56me. I ask her.
54:00>> Um, several people have reported
54:01instances where um, you would show up to
54:03where D was unannounced without having
54:06knowledge of direct knowledge from
54:07wherever she was. Can you just explain
54:09that to us a little bit?
54:12>> That's news to me.
54:13>> Okay. So, I can think um correct me if
54:14I'm wrong, partner, but one specific
54:16example was uh she was out to lunch with
54:18someone and um she had made a statement
54:21about not wanting to be around you.
54:23You're having some um argument or
54:26disagreement on that specific day and
54:28you had shown up to where that lunch was
54:30occurring.
54:31>> That's complete.
54:32>> Okay. And again, these are I'm just
54:34asking what's been reported to us. I'm
54:35not saying there's any truth to it.
54:36Okay. And that's there's a lot of things
54:38like that that it's important we hear
54:40your side because when you're only
54:41getting one side everything to look
54:42horrible, right? So I we want your
54:44input.
54:45>> Yeah. Um can you think of a reason why
54:48other than it's obvious, but can you
54:50think of a reason why someone would say
54:51that about you?
54:52>> Not a clue. I mean unless she was saying
54:54something negative about that person.
54:57>> Okay.
55:04>> I'm sorry I missed that part. Well, my
55:07wife I figured her diagnosis
55:11that's what they do.
55:12>> Okay. Is they put the other person down
55:15to everyone around.
55:17>> Okay.
55:18>> The characteristics are
55:21>> um in some previous interviews and to
55:23other people you had stated that you
55:25were not going to get divorced
55:28but that has been a topic of discussion.
55:30Can you explain that a little bit to us?
55:32>> I know what you mean as topic of
55:34discussion. Uh well that was something
55:37that uh De had um made sentiments and
55:40remarks to other people that that was an
55:41interest of hers and that you two had
55:43argued or discussed. I don't want to use
55:45the wrong word. Uh can you describe that
55:46to us a little bit? Mhm.
55:48>> Divorce was a word that we didn't bring
55:50up between each other because that was
55:54a lot of things going on. And that was
55:56one of the things that we told each
55:57other we're never going to say to each
55:58other is divorce because that's not what
56:01neither one of us wanted because the end
56:03result. And once you say the word
56:06divorce, then you just start throwing.
56:09>> It's like a word that you can't take
56:10back. I say I hate you. Well, that's in
56:13your mind now. You can't never take that
56:15back. You know,
56:16>> if you say, "I I want a divorce." Just
56:19because you're pissed,
56:20>> it's in that person's mind now forever.
56:22>> Yeah. You can't get out. There's there's
56:24certain things that you don't want to
56:25cross the line and say because you can't
56:28never take them back. And that's one of
56:29those things that D and I
56:32had in between each other. We're never
56:34going to tell each other that. and did.
56:36Yeah, it came out once in a while, but
56:41you know, you can't there's words that
56:43you can't say because you can't take
56:44them back. That's the understanding
56:47where we're at.
56:48>> Okay.
56:51Um,
56:53a couple things I need to cover with the
56:54business. I'm sorry. Um,
56:57can you kind of briefly describe the
57:00business entities you currently have? I
57:01know there's a few different ones.
57:04I guess can you clarify?
57:06>> So I know you have the the essentially
57:07the farming business and you've got you
57:09know buyback which owns some property
57:11and then you do some agriculture work
57:13and spraying and then there's a trucking
57:14company. Can you just describe kind of
57:16the empire in its entirety? Um there was
57:20there was Warick Farms LLC was our
57:22farming team. War Farms Services LLC was
57:26the spraying fertilizer customification
57:28business.
57:30There is um buyback which is the entity
57:34that has all the property in it. Um,
57:37Cedar Creek Express is the company that
57:40owns all of the trucks and trailers
57:44>> for the trucking company. Trucking
57:45company leased all the trucks and
57:47trailers from Cedar Creek.
57:50Um,
57:57so think of what what do you what do you
58:00want to know?
58:02I just want to make sure I had a good
58:03understanding of what I know you had a
58:05lot of
58:05>> things essentially. That's all. So, and
58:07I wasn't clear on we were familiar with
58:09buyback and then I know that the other
58:11company owned trucks and I'm not in the
58:14farming so I couldn't tell you.
58:17>> DDW Investments that's the biggest, you
58:19know, they keep claiming that I sold all
58:21the assets of DDW Investments. DDW
58:23Investments didn't own anything other
58:25than the Cadillac and Dots pickup.
58:27That's the only two things they're
58:28going. I see.
58:30>> Can I just interject for one second? You
58:32should tell them about your
58:35war egg firms
58:38>> and your DBA because that that's that is
58:41something that has become I think for
58:44the conservative an issue now because
58:46they were never aware that Dale Dale
58:48Warner
58:50>> I've always had I've always had Dale
58:51Warner deviate more at farms from the
58:53beginning.
58:54>> Okay. And I've still have well this last
58:57the last year and previous year
58:58everything is farmed in my DBA now. The
59:00LLC's are not being used. They're all
59:02still there but everything's mil.
59:04>> May I ask why?
59:06>> I'm not going to deal with a
59:07conservator. I'm not going to work my
59:08ass off
59:1120 hours a day to pay him.
59:14>> Okay.
59:14>> And as far as I'm concerned, them
59:16companies are all dead without me. So I
59:19there's nothing there
59:21>> as far as uh I'll say day-to-day
59:23responsibilities for lack of a better
59:24term. Can you describe kind of your
59:27responsibilities and de's
59:28responsibilities when it came to
59:29business?
59:30>> They ran in the office, library,
59:32everything else.
59:33>> Okay. D's responsibility was to make
59:35sure all the bills and payments were
59:36made and everybody was paid and mine was
59:40to make sure all the work got done.
59:42Everybody got what they need to be made.
59:43Trucks were on the road. Things got
59:45planted, things got sprayed. I mean that
59:47is my job.
59:50>> Okay. Um
59:53uh so our understanding de had expressed
59:55the interest in being done with the
59:57trucking business. Can you talk to us a
59:59little about that? Describe it to us.
1:00:00>> That was I was confused on what she was
1:00:02talking about on being done with the
1:00:03trucking business and I understand it
1:00:05clearly now
1:00:07is she took so much money on the account
1:00:10on the company that there was no way it
1:00:11could survive.
1:00:13Can you um kind of tell us what she had
1:00:15told you back then about being done, so
1:00:17to speak?
1:00:18>> She just kept telling me the truck we're
1:00:20done. We're done. The trucking company,
1:00:21we're done. So, she kept saying and I
1:00:23didn't understand what the hell she was
1:00:24talking about. And I never knew until
1:00:28a couple months ago or we figured out 6
1:00:30months after she left what she was
1:00:33talking about because I had no clue what
1:00:35she was talking about. She's saying
1:00:36we're done. I mean, we got a couple
1:00:38notices that, you know, delinquent
1:00:41taxes. They're going to garnish away,
1:00:42you know, take money out of something. I
1:00:44tell them they call it uh I'm going to
1:00:45take your money out of the account.
1:00:48>> Yeah,
1:00:48>> they're going to do that. The account
1:00:50question, I go, "What is this?" Don't
1:00:53worry, it's just they missed the check.
1:00:55It didn't get to them on time. We got a
1:00:59little hindsight, looking back, when you
1:01:00get one of these, it's more than just a
1:01:02missed the check.
1:01:03>> It's just flat out not being.
1:01:06So they would scramble around, pay the
1:01:08pay that one that was delinquent with
1:01:10that moment so that you'd be off the
1:01:12collection list again. And I'm thinking
1:01:14everything is fine and dandy. Well, it
1:01:16wasn't fine and dandy. Her been taken
1:01:19and scamming so much money out of the
1:01:20accounts,
1:01:22you know, and it was a godsend once she
1:01:24got the PPP money because that gave them
1:01:26another shot in the arm that they could
1:01:27cover things up for another five, six
1:01:29months and it was down to the point
1:01:32where they couldn't be covered up
1:01:33anymore.
1:01:34>> I see. Okay. and I was going to find it
1:01:38because they were going to have to come
1:01:39clean.
1:01:42And that was her how how how trucking
1:01:44company's done. How am I going to deal
1:01:45with it? How am I going to how am I
1:01:47going to tell Dale this? I mean, she was
1:01:49at my daughter's soccer game when she
1:01:51called, told me, "We're all done. We're
1:01:52all done." Thinking
1:01:5510 minutes ago, everything was fine.
1:01:57>> The day before we just had pizza in the
1:01:59field, everything was great. What has
1:02:01changed? What's happened? H
1:02:05>> tell us more about that conversation.
1:02:07>> Which one?
1:02:07>> When she was at the soccer game and
1:02:09called you.
1:02:10>> She she called me it was 9 or 10 in the
1:02:12morning. She was at the soccer game and
1:02:14I says
1:02:16I think we're tying on the field in
1:02:18Tipton and my phone rings and and I says
1:02:21I got to take this deep cuz I figured
1:02:23she's calling tell me how was doing
1:02:25soccer game and she was very upset and
1:02:28she says we're all done. We're all done.
1:02:30I got into it Todd. We're all done. She
1:02:32hang up. That's it. And she wouldn't
1:02:34answer my calls all day long.
1:02:38So, I'm in complete limbo thinking what
1:02:40in the hell's going on?
1:02:42>> Okay. Um, we'll come back. I have a
1:02:45couple other questions for you. Burning
1:02:47business. Um,
1:02:49when what year
1:02:52um did things go negative with the
1:02:53vegetable farm? Was that in
1:02:56>> It was the year after we bought it. We
1:02:59went through I think 14 is when we
1:03:01bought it. So it was like in 15.
1:03:03>> Okay.
1:03:03>> And a lot of things went bad there
1:03:06because when we purchased it, D Russell,
1:03:08the people we purchased from told us
1:03:10they had contracts for potatoes and
1:03:12different things for the next year
1:03:15>> and they didn't.
1:03:16>> So we grow all the stuff and there's no
1:03:17contracts.
1:03:18>> Oh, okay. And then um talk to us a
1:03:22little about your finances leaving that.
1:03:23What did that look like?
1:03:25>> Financing when we left.
1:03:27>> Yeah. your overall the company and your
1:03:29business finances.
1:03:30>> Oh, business finances were in turmoil. I
1:03:32mean, we lost oh god
1:03:35close to probably $20 million up there.
1:03:39I mean, we put hundreds of thousands of
1:03:41dollars in redoing the buildings and
1:03:43redoing all the stuff and bought
1:03:44equipment for up there um because we
1:03:47couldn't pay different. We were rolling
1:03:49the John Deere equipment which you get a
1:03:50new piece every year. And since we
1:03:53couldn't do that in our dealership here
1:03:55in in Tacoma,
1:03:57we were rolling 30 pieces every year. So
1:03:59he would get 30 pieces and it had just
1:04:01very few hours on it and he could sell
1:04:03it at a competitive edge over everybody
1:04:05else around. Well, he was getting, you
1:04:08know, the economy was slowing down,
1:04:09things were slowing down. The pieces
1:04:10weren't selling. His lots are getting
1:04:12fuller and fuller machinery that I'm
1:04:13trading every year. We did this seven
1:04:15years. So, he's got 210 pieces of
1:04:18equipment that he's got in the last
1:04:19seven years from us and can't sell it.
1:04:22Well, the deal was I pay the rental
1:04:24payment or lease, whatever you want to
1:04:26call it. He pays the note off. Well,
1:04:28they talked me into signing a note with
1:04:30deer, just a one-year note. So, every
1:04:32year with deer, I'm supposed to pay that
1:04:34piece off. Well, I don't pay it off. The
1:04:36dealership pays it off. I pay the
1:04:37rental.
1:04:39Well, they had so much machinery, they
1:04:41didn't want to pay the notes off. So
1:04:43Dale's stuck having to pay all these
1:04:45notes off. $5 million I'm supposed to
1:04:46come up with. Well, I can't. So now all
1:04:49my notes are due.
1:04:52The other my million dollar operating
1:04:54line at the bank is due.
1:04:57My other half million dollar line at the
1:04:59other bank is due. Well, there's this
1:05:01little clause in the bank's thing. Even
1:05:03though you've got all your money in the
1:05:04bank, you make the payments to them. If
1:05:06they feel threatened in any way, they
1:05:09can take all the money out of your
1:05:10account, pay all their debts off.
1:05:12>> Nonstate bank
1:05:14>> clear cleans out of my accounts $800,000
1:05:16that was set up to pay everybody else.
1:05:19They took it off.
1:05:22>> They paid themselves off for free clear.
1:05:26>> They bounced 35 payroll checks. They
1:05:29bounced a couple hundred other checks
1:05:32that we sent out to make all these
1:05:33payments. So where do you think that
1:05:35left me financially?
1:05:36>> I see
1:05:38>> in turmoil.
1:05:39>> We had heard that uh notes were being
1:05:41called back but we didn't know that
1:05:42those pieces of information how it was
1:05:44specifically played out.
1:05:45>> Yeah. All the role program that we had
1:05:47set up with deer and it was my own
1:05:50fault. I should have never let him talk
1:05:52me into doing it. But I was paying
1:05:56a quarter of the amount I would pay on
1:05:59the normal market. I mean John your
1:06:01combine payment would be $50,000. I was
1:06:03paying 20, same $30,000. Who wouldn't do
1:06:07that?
1:06:07>> Yeah.
1:06:08>> And that was the same on all these
1:06:10pieces. Well, the dealership instead of
1:06:12them saying, "Hey, we can't take these
1:06:13in a trade. Let's keep these pieces
1:06:16another year. We'll roll them back in
1:06:18and go through it." They didn't do that.
1:06:20They just didn't. Hey, John.
1:06:21>> Just thought you holding a bag at the
1:06:22end.
1:06:22>> Yeah. They let people in the back.
1:06:25>> Correct. But a lot of it was the manager
1:06:27at the dealership was not telling the
1:06:28owner Paul Bader what was going on
1:06:31because Paul Bader and I have a great
1:06:33relationship right now. I mean I would
1:06:37$56 million right now we know with him.
1:06:41So if he didn't know what was going on
1:06:43none of this other would have happened.
1:06:45But this all goes back to communication.
1:06:49You know there was a failure in
1:06:50communication. I assumed the dealer
1:06:53dealership's manager was doing his job
1:06:55and he wasn't. He was covering his own
1:06:56ass. So they threw me to the wolves and
1:06:59by the time me and Paul Bader got
1:07:01together talking about what was going
1:07:02over
1:07:06anyway and coming out of the financially
1:07:08um well I had to what I had to do to
1:07:13survive is we sold all the property we
1:07:15had in Manchester to series Farms. They
1:07:18wrote a check, bought that. I had to
1:07:19sell another
1:07:21oh 3 400 acres I had written to pay off
1:07:24the bank to get him off. Well, I didn't
1:07:26pay him off to get him satisfied to me
1:07:29all and you know he was in in this deal
1:07:33because you know he's this greating guy.
1:07:36He's negotiating this deal to help me
1:07:38which I'd been better off not had him
1:07:40involved.
1:07:41He ends up with 100 acres of mine that
1:07:43he negotiated the deal that they needed
1:07:46another $500,000 to keep me from losing
1:07:50everything. Negotiating this deal, you
1:07:54only got two weeks to come up with this
1:07:55money.
1:07:57You know what? I'm such a I'm just a
1:07:59good guy. I'll I'll buy that piece of
1:08:01ground from you, but I'm only going to
1:08:04give you this much money. Even though
1:08:05it's worth this much money. He set up
1:08:09the deal in co his own pocket. Cost me
1:08:11over 100 grand.
1:08:13>> Okay.
1:08:13>> But he set the deal up. I only had two
1:08:15weeks. Where are you going to come up
1:08:16with millions of dollars in two weeks
1:08:18with no one? He set me up to fail.
1:08:23>> So he negotiated this deal directly with
1:08:25the bank for you to have whatever
1:08:27extension they come up with X amount and
1:08:28then gave you X amount for that property
1:08:30basically. Right.
1:08:31>> I see. Sure.
1:08:32>> Okay. So
1:08:34>> he's me in the deal.
1:08:35>> Not not this is
1:08:36>> I'm still here. I still was
1:08:38>> I'm not saying this to make you mad, but
1:08:39it was explained to us that you two
1:08:41meaning you and D were in turmoil and
1:08:44I'm being dramatic, but ran down the
1:08:46street the house. Please save us. And
1:08:48that's what was essentially told to us
1:08:50before. So that makes a little bit more
1:08:52sense.
1:08:52>> No, that's not good at all. He's like
1:08:55him and his he was trying to come across
1:08:57that he's going to be the savior. Well,
1:08:59his whole mastering plan was to us out
1:09:02of something and he did.
1:09:03>> Which piece of property was that? baby
1:09:05hing 100 acres there I own it links
1:09:10got about a 300 acre chunk there now
1:09:12because of my 100
1:09:14>> okay and how much would that have been
1:09:15worth at the time on the open market do
1:09:17you think
1:09:18>> we should have been able to get probably
1:09:196 or 7,000 an acre for it only gave me
1:09:21four
1:09:22>> I see okay
1:09:25yeah that would leave a sour taste in my
1:09:26mouth also I don't blame you
1:09:28>> well it did at the time but you know I'm
1:09:30one that doesn't hold a grudge that much
1:09:33but uh I looked at this way saving me
1:09:36all the other properties I had. So, it
1:09:38was a cost of doing business.
1:09:41>> Well, it leaves a sour taste in your
1:09:42mouth that you wasn't there to help
1:09:46like he was trying to come across. He
1:09:48was very screw her again.
1:09:50>> Yeah.
1:09:51>> And she was very bitter over it, too.
1:09:53But she I convinced her to keep her
1:09:55mouth shut and just be still on it.
1:09:58We're here. We'll get through it.
1:10:00>> Sometimes, unfortunately, there's a
1:10:01price to pay to reveal someone's true
1:10:02colors, too. But you you paid a hefty
1:10:04fine, your real
1:10:06>> I a lot of hefty fines, you know, to do
1:10:10it also cost me
1:10:12>> I figure 20 million. But you know, up
1:10:15until we bought that vegetable farm,
1:10:17there wasn't anything that we couldn't
1:10:19do. You know, you feel this uh sense of
1:10:23invincibility.
1:10:25You know, if you work hard and you go at
1:10:27it, there's nothing you can't do. I
1:10:28mean, kind of American way.
1:10:30>> You know, if you work hard, you'll do
1:10:31well. You'll
1:10:32>> profit. And up until then there was
1:10:35nothing we could overcome.
1:10:38But out there we dealt with we had 150
1:10:40Mexicans working for
1:10:44lying steal and cheating.
1:10:47You know I should not say much more but
1:10:51give you an example is burned in mying
1:10:54brain forever. We're we're growing
1:10:56cabbage up there. There's 40 acre field
1:10:58of cabbage and we send the Mex. It's all
1:11:00hand weed hand. There's about 25
1:11:03Mexicans in the crew that are supposed
1:11:05to all go out and we just descends them
1:11:08out to weed and I'm up there spraying
1:11:10and while spraying there's only five or
1:11:12six people in the steel weeding and I
1:11:13says I called the when we had the next
1:11:16call. I'm like gee, there's five or six
1:11:19people out here in the cabbage weeding.
1:11:20Are they supposed to be here? And she's
1:11:21like no I sent the whole crew out there.
1:11:23I says well how many is there supposed
1:11:24to be? She says around 20 25. I says
1:11:28there's five people here. She says,
1:11:30"I'll call and I'll go check." Yeah,
1:11:32there's 25 people punched in.
1:11:36>> You Russell's the propertyy's so big up
1:11:38there. They all jump in their cars. They
1:11:40go back to the lane way to the thing.
1:11:41Five of them jump out. They drive around
1:11:43the back side of it over to the camp cuz
1:11:45we had housing up there. They drive
1:11:47around. They all go to housing. So, five
1:11:48people work. The 15 went home. We're
1:11:51hanging out in the cabin. And I says,
1:11:53"When it's time to punch out, they'll
1:11:54load back up. They go back this way.
1:11:57We're going to pick the five up, come up
1:11:59to camp, and I'll punch out.
1:12:00>> So, who drew the short straws? Which
1:12:02five will work? Are you saying the
1:12:03rotation or how do you get how they did
1:12:06it? But that was unbelievable. So, yeah,
1:12:11they all seen the wrath of that day, but
1:12:14any you had to watch everything they
1:12:16did.
1:12:18They're growing there. That was back in
1:12:19marijuana. They were growing marijuana.
1:12:20It was all muck grown black. They grow
1:12:22marijuana in all the ditches and all
1:12:24over. And come to find out after the
1:12:27fact after we lost it and sold it that
1:12:29uh when they were taking the um stuff
1:12:31into Myers and Kroger's that we were
1:12:34hauling all their pot in the truck that
1:12:36had distribution at Meyers and Kroger's
1:12:38where they were selling it. They were
1:12:39taking it off the trucks.
1:12:41>> Oh wow.
1:12:46>> So you get out of that financial
1:12:48trouble. Can you describe what your
1:12:49financial situation was like, you know,
1:12:52April 1st, 2021? What was it like then?
1:12:55>> We were struggling.
1:12:58I didn't think well we were struggling.
1:13:00We had been struggling since D Russell
1:13:02to get operating loans and you know it's
1:13:04it's a challenge but the prices where
1:13:06they were and we finally got hooked up
1:13:07with a with a group that
1:13:09>> I have to stop. You got to talk
1:13:10stupidly. You say the prices where they
1:13:11were. What what do you mean
1:13:12>> corn prices? Okay. I mean
1:13:15>> back when things were rolling good was
1:13:17$67 a bushel for corn $15 for beans.
1:13:20Well corn was back down to four. beans
1:13:23were down to nine or eight. So I mean
1:13:25>> probably with the same operating cost.
1:13:27So
1:13:28>> we're operating a loss.
1:13:30>> Okay.
1:13:31>> So it was it was tough, you know, and uh
1:13:35it was hard because we're paying off a
1:13:36lot of bad debt. We're still paying bad
1:13:38debt.
1:13:38>> If if the farming is shrugging that
1:13:40much, what was keeping you afloat?
1:13:43>> Work harder, do more.
1:13:46>> In in which way can you describe that to
1:13:47me?
1:13:48>> Instead of working 10 hours a day,
1:13:49you're working 18 to 20. You're farming
1:13:51more ground. You're trying to do more
1:13:53custom spraying.
1:13:54>> Todd's being pushed to send the trucks
1:13:56out more loads. More loads.
1:13:59>> Okay.
1:13:59>> Um but unbeknownst uh you know
1:14:04after the fact we look back the farming
1:14:06side wasn't losing money. It was making
1:14:08money. But the problem was is when we've
1:14:11got you've got 10 guys driving truck,
1:14:15five of those guys are on farms payroll.
1:14:20the trucking company isn't paying farms
1:14:22back for the five guys on the payroll.
1:14:24>> I see.
1:14:27>> So, it's pretty easy to make a trucking
1:14:29company look very profitable when half
1:14:32the employees are on the farm side. All
1:14:35the maintenance that are coming from the
1:14:36auto parts store or the trucking store
1:14:39is being built to War Farms. You just
1:14:42got $10,000 worth of parts for that
1:14:43truck and brakes, it's all built to War
1:14:45Farms. War Farms pays for it. The
1:14:49trucking company's using the truck free
1:14:50and clear, not paying for any parts, not
1:14:52paying for the drivers. Farms is paying
1:14:54the insurance.
1:14:55>> Okay.
1:14:56>> See where I'm going with this?
1:14:58>> Mhm.
1:14:58>> I see.
1:14:59>> And you want to buy a lakehouse
1:15:01unbeknownst to your husband and you're
1:15:03trying to get it refinanced. So,
1:15:06you give them the financials from the
1:15:08trucking company, which looks like
1:15:10you're making a lot of money, 30%.
1:15:15>> Yeah.
1:15:16>> Yeah. There's no overhead. who's who's
1:15:17not making money over,
1:15:18>> right? Well, then you got, you know,
1:15:21different places. She tried to sell the
1:15:23trucking company in 2018 under announced
1:15:26Mark found the paperwork and they're
1:15:27like,
1:15:28>> uh, no, no. The industry standard for
1:15:32profitability and trucking is only like
1:15:335 to 6%. And you're making 30% D.
1:15:39What's going on here? How
1:15:40>> how did this uh deal come up with Laid
1:15:42Law? Can you describe that to us a
1:15:44little bit? the deal with laid law.
1:15:48You know, you guys talking law
1:15:50enforcement, all these people after the
1:15:52fact, you guys crippled me. My ability
1:15:55to pay bills and stuff was
1:15:58crippled after you guys come in, took
1:16:00phones, took systems out, did what you
1:16:02did. I mean, it was a struggle before.
1:16:04It was more challenging. Then you take
1:16:07into place fuel cost just doubled. A
1:16:10tire that used to cost me 800 bucks now
1:16:12cost me 1,600.
1:16:15I can't pay that. How am I going to keep
1:16:18making the payments on all this stuff?
1:16:20You know, Todd's Todd sees this. He's
1:16:22dispatcher and he knows all these guys
1:16:24laid out. They've been talking to him.
1:16:26Hey, Todd. Come work for us. Why don't
1:16:27you guys do this? It's like, "No, I'm
1:16:29not leaving. We're not leaving." Well,
1:16:32how about we buy him?
1:16:34Bring him down, Todd. We'll talk to him.
1:16:37They made us an offer.
1:16:40We paid off the trucks and debt.
1:16:44I had to take a n a five-year
1:16:45non-compete.
1:16:47I've got an agreement with them that I
1:16:49do a lot of maintenance and stuff for
1:16:50them. The rent facilities, all my
1:16:53employees are protected. They've all got
1:16:55jobs. Todd moved over. It was a deal. I
1:16:59did I want to do that? No. Was it a good
1:17:02deal? Yeah. I just eliminated couple
1:17:05million dollars in debt on trucks. I had
1:17:07to give non-compete for five years.
1:17:10Todd's got a job.
1:17:13I'm still getting rental income. I can
1:17:14make my house payment. I keep moving
1:17:17forward five years. Am I going to be
1:17:19back? Todd and I will decide, will every
1:17:22one of the guys come back if I ask them
1:17:23to? Yes, they will.
1:17:26And we have a good relationship with
1:17:27them. And they know there's not a single
1:17:30thing I'll ask them to do that I
1:17:31wouldn't do myself. I had the time to do
1:17:33it.
1:17:34>> Okay. I just want to ask you something,
1:17:36make sure I understand. So, you agree to
1:17:38a purchase price and then you sign a
1:17:41contract saying, "Hey, I won't do any
1:17:42more trucking work basically." And
1:17:44they're paying you X amount monthly for
1:17:46facility rental essentially.
1:17:48>> Okay.
1:17:49>> And that is that facility rental. Is
1:17:51that also a 5-year contract?
1:17:53>> No, that's
1:17:54>> just the non-competitas.
1:17:55>> Just the non-competes. The facility
1:17:56rental is month. So, if they choose to
1:17:59leave, they can leave whenever they
1:18:00want.
1:18:01>> Okay. And then is there a maintenance
1:18:02contract in place for you to maintain
1:18:04the vehicles or they're just paying you?
1:18:06They just pay us whatever we whatever it
1:18:07takes to keep fixed.
1:18:08>> Okay.
1:18:09>> So,
1:18:10>> okay.
1:18:12Um specific uh recently you submitted an
1:18:15um uh some documentation for an SBA
1:18:17loan. You know which one I'm talking.
1:18:19Can you describe that to us?
1:18:21>> Which one? There two.
1:18:24>> Both. I didn't know there I don't know
1:18:25if we knew. There's two of them.
1:18:27>> Yeah, there's two
1:18:27>> for one for each company or
1:18:30>> No, there's there's a $500,000 SBA loan
1:18:32that we took out.
1:18:34Oh, it was I don't remember that was
1:18:36first. We took that out to pay off uh a
1:18:39lot of the debts that was occurred, you
1:18:41know, without D there. We're going so we
1:18:43keep going. And the second one we took
1:18:45out, it was a no-brainer. I mean, our
1:18:48operating loan at the time was uh we had
1:18:51a 700 $800,000 operating loan and it was
1:18:54at 9%.
1:18:56SBA loan we took out was only 3%. They
1:18:59don't have to pay anything back for two
1:19:01years and after that's over 30-year
1:19:02payback. So was that the EIDL one?
1:19:05>> No. Well, I don't know the SBA though.
1:19:08That's one. I don't know what the hell.
1:19:09>> See, this is stuff can probably help.
1:19:11>> Yeah, that's all go. But I mean, from
1:19:14the accounting side, accounts, this is
1:19:16no brainer. You got to do this. You're
1:19:19going to pay 9% on an operating loan to
1:19:22these guys and you get this loan here
1:19:25for 3%. You don't have to pay anything
1:19:27for two years. This is a no-brainer. So
1:19:29that's
1:19:29>> I'm sorry. Who said that?
1:19:31>> The accountants. Okay.
1:19:33>> One of them in our earlier towns we
1:19:34talked to our tax ones and different
1:19:36ones. I mean, you're running by the
1:19:38numbers and I go, why would you not do
1:19:40this?
1:19:41>> Even I can tell nine three versus nine.
1:19:44>> Yeah.
1:19:46Number
1:19:47>> this is this is huge. I mean this to the
1:19:50bottom cash flow. It's all about the
1:19:51cash flow. So that was a no-brainer. I
1:19:54mean there's nothing shady, nothing
1:19:56illegal. The money's all went I mean
1:19:58every penny of it. You guys can come
1:19:59look and see where it's went. It's all
1:20:00went to pay bills on the farm. I mean,
1:20:02you know, the conservator was put into
1:20:04place to protect and conserve these
1:20:06assets. I've done more to do that than
1:20:08anybody else has done. Every bill's to
1:20:10pay.
1:20:11>> Yeah. I I haven't spoken directly to
1:20:13conservator about this more or less to
1:20:14the grape vine, but I think one of the
1:20:16concerns was um a copy of the driver's
1:20:19license and passport was submitted with
1:20:21the application. Seems
1:20:23>> So, we got that on the file. Every
1:20:24business has copies of their employees,
1:20:26their my passports in a file. My license
1:20:29is in a file. My restricted use license
1:20:32is in a file. Every employees license is
1:20:34in a file.
1:20:35>> Where where is where is that stuff
1:20:37stored?
1:20:38>> It's all in the file cabinets. You guys
1:20:39went through all
1:20:40>> in the manual physical file cabinets.
1:20:43Okay. And again, these are questions
1:20:44that I'm not saying you did anything
1:20:47wrong, but we just asked based off what
1:20:48was wrong.
1:20:49>> You guys should have I want you to
1:20:51understand me. I'm not accusing of
1:20:52nothing. They're just
1:20:53>> No, that's old. That's
1:20:56>> Why would you have a copy? Standard
1:20:58procedure any place you go. You go to
1:20:59>> You go to the medical office. The first
1:21:01thing you got to get is your driver's
1:21:02license and your medical card. They copy
1:21:04it for the file.
1:21:05>> Yeah. I'm I'm not running a million
1:21:06dollar business and I have my stuff
1:21:08saved electronically, you know, on my on
1:21:10my Google Drive cuz I need it for this
1:21:11or that. So, I I understand completely.
1:21:13Um
1:21:15there was also some questions raised
1:21:17about uh a power of attorney. Uh do you
1:21:20had signed? Can you talk to us about
1:21:21that? What do you know about it? That
1:21:23means
1:21:24>> uh when were those when were those made
1:21:26or when were those signed? Do you know?
1:21:27>> I don't remember what the date the dates
1:21:29on the power of attorney. I think it was
1:21:3112 or four that 12 or 12 or 14.
1:21:36>> I think I mean I've got we've got power
1:21:38of attorneys on lots of things. I mean
1:21:39I've got them at Farm Service Agency.
1:21:41I've got them for
1:21:44was Tom Nortly at the time, Matt Luck at
1:21:45the time, Rob Frisky at the time, D
1:21:48myself. She had same heart attorneys for
1:21:50me. I mean it's the normal business
1:21:54operating paper that we had.
1:21:57>> Okay. Do you remember when though uh
1:21:59when or where those were signed
1:22:01specifically?
1:22:03>> I know they were all notorized and sign
1:22:05witnessed the same ones. The one in the
1:22:07farm service agency. I think I think Dan
1:22:11was in the office at the time. He
1:22:12notorized them or Stephanie was a
1:22:13notary. Stephanie did it too.
1:22:16>> Okay.
1:22:17>> Or before we had notaries at our own
1:22:19office. We went over to Briskies and he
1:22:21had an order not in his office. They
1:22:22would notoriize it or we'd run into the
1:22:24bank.
1:22:26>> Okay. We have an order there. Okay. Um
1:22:33do you have any question about the
1:22:34business?
1:22:36>> There there was uh some questions that
1:22:37there were two operating agreements
1:22:39there. There really is only one
1:22:40operating agreement
1:22:44other than the one that they
1:22:46manufactured afterwards. Well, yeah. The
1:22:48ones she fabricated up for DDW
1:22:49investment, she made one up with just
1:22:51her name on it, but the other there was
1:22:53always there's been addendums done to
1:22:55the operating agreements. Then the first
1:22:57addendum that she did, you know, D wrote
1:23:00them up. She was under the understanding
1:23:01that she had to retype the whole
1:23:02operating agreement. So the one that
1:23:05they're questioning her putting on
1:23:06YouTube that is a fake or something cuz
1:23:08she retyped the whole operating
1:23:09agreement and put the addendum as page
1:23:11one she made. So it was like 14 or 15
1:23:14pages. So she copied the whole agreement
1:23:17with the addendum and we signed it. But
1:23:20you don't have to do that. All you have
1:23:21to do is type up the addendum and sign
1:23:22and it put with the original. She was
1:23:24under the understanding that she had to
1:23:26redo it every time. So she's like,
1:23:28>> "This is a pain in the ass. I don't have
1:23:30to retype this every time." And that's
1:23:31when she emailed Jim Doo and he was kind
1:23:34of chucking just no, you don't have to
1:23:36do that. She just got to do page one. So
1:23:39it was kind of at the time.
1:23:44business questions again.
1:23:46>> Uh, no. I think I'm good.
1:23:47>> Okay.
1:23:48>> But I mean, whenever you guys got
1:23:49questions, just come out. If you guys
1:23:51don't come out to the office, it's it's
1:23:52an open door.
1:23:54>> Okay. Nothing to hide. We're not doing
1:23:56anything that's shady. It's
1:23:58>> I I don't do that at all. No.
1:23:59>> It's unfortunate that a lot of questions
1:24:01we have to ask are just because of the
1:24:03circus.
1:24:04>> That's what makes That's what makes me
1:24:06feel like you guys are being led around
1:24:08because it's all that they it's
1:24:10fabricated by them. So, once it's
1:24:12fabricated, you got to ask Yep.
1:24:14>> That's why we joke with you.
1:24:17It's It's a joke between you and me. So,
1:24:20don't take
1:24:21>> I am not getting a Christmas card. I
1:24:23promise you.
1:24:25>> You might get one before me. How about
1:24:27that?
1:24:31>> Um,
1:24:32what can you tell me about De and her
1:24:34migraines?
1:24:37>> They're bad.
1:24:39>> Take her to the hospital several times
1:24:41because
1:24:43She'll get a migraine. She'll lose
1:24:45vision. Um, her voice will start
1:24:47slurring. Her face will sag. It looks
1:24:49just like a stroke. It's scary.
1:24:52I took her to the hospital several
1:24:53times. You go to the hospital, it's very
1:24:55frustrating because they don't do
1:24:56anything. They put you in a room. They
1:24:58just leave you there. You know, she's
1:24:59there in pain and I'm feeling helpless.
1:25:02>> They finally do give her something. It's
1:25:04like, what can we do?
1:25:06>> There's nothing we can do. I could I
1:25:08could just kept her home and done this,
1:25:11you know?
1:25:13And where were the kids when any of this
1:25:14[ __ ] went on? Not a [ __ ] long.
1:25:17She called. They didn't come.
1:25:20They didn't come. They would never come.
1:25:24>> How long had she been having you? When
1:25:25did we start?
1:25:26>> I mother. She had them. I think she had
1:25:28them back when she was married. I think
1:25:30she had
1:25:32she had one with she said they thought
1:25:34it was a stroke and she lost her face
1:25:36sang. I think that was the worst one she
1:25:38had. That's what they call like a mini
1:25:39stroke.
1:25:41I did had to ask that first few was but
1:25:44I didn't remember but she had them
1:25:49they were getting more and more frequent
1:25:52but she had
1:25:58so we were going up to Chelsea to the
1:26:02pain pain clinic
1:26:05>> okay
1:26:06>> for the pain and um
1:26:10before. I didn't know.
1:26:16>> That's scary.
1:26:17>> Yeah. And well, you guys seen all the
1:26:20bottles of stuff I found in the house.
1:26:21Did you Did you see those or
1:26:23>> I I could tell you how much I'm familiar
1:26:25with what you mean. Yeah.
1:26:26>> Yeah. There was I mean there's piles and
1:26:28piles. I found them everywhere. And I'm
1:26:29still finding stuff stuffed in the
1:26:31camper. There was a little pillow bag.
1:26:33It's just
1:26:34>> Were you ever concerned she may have
1:26:36been getting them elsewhere?
1:26:39>> Hindsight? Yeah, now I am, but I was
1:26:41oblivious to the time.
1:26:43>> That was always someone else's problem.
1:26:44That's not my wife's not here
1:26:47>> and
1:26:47>> blind to it.
1:26:48>> I'm telling you, that's what everyone
1:26:50feels that way.
1:26:51>> It's never there, kid. It's never there.
1:26:52It's never
1:26:53>> I know exactly what where they're coming
1:26:56from now because I look back and I go,
1:26:58"Oh my god."
1:26:59>> You know, there's 10 bottles of
1:27:00oxycodone. I could go get you 10 bottles
1:27:02of them right now at my house.
1:27:05They're in the drawers. And now I'm
1:27:07talking to think you guys I need to get
1:27:09out of there cuz I got a 10-year-old dog
1:27:10in the house.
1:27:11>> Yeah. It was scary to have her around.
1:27:12>> Yeah.
1:27:14>> Yeah.
1:27:16>> But I just I don't know what else she
1:27:19was doing and I don't and I was
1:27:21oblivious too.
1:27:22>> Did you um aside from the oxycodone, do
1:27:25you know what other pills she may have
1:27:26been taking that were prescribed to her?
1:27:28>> I don't know what they are. I mean
1:27:30there's a bunch of machine
1:27:35>> I'm sorry I need to back you up one
1:27:37second now. How often did she have a
1:27:38migraine? Would you say
1:27:41>> she'd have a bad one at least once a
1:27:43month or more?
1:27:44>> Okay. And can you describe what that was
1:27:46like for her?
1:27:48>> Um just
1:27:50unbearable pain in her head.
1:27:54And
1:27:56it got to a point where she would always
1:27:57talk about the pain and you just get
1:28:00hard to because you heard it so much you
1:28:02didn't believe it anymore. I mean like a
1:28:04kid crying woof, you know, sometimes you
1:28:08feel like she's just using that as a
1:28:09crutch to I got a I got a migraine. I'm
1:28:12going back to the house to get away from
1:28:14you.
1:28:15>> But the pain level was unbearable.
1:28:17Um, and I could tell when she was having
1:28:20one that was bad because her face would
1:28:21start sagging a little bit and her
1:28:25vision, she would she would have blurred
1:28:26vision. She'd be talking to you. You
1:28:28know, if you're talking to somebody
1:28:29where have eye contact, she'd be talking
1:28:30to me and she'd be looking off over here
1:28:32because she couldn't see me.
1:28:35>> And what was
1:28:36>> and her voice start getting slurred a
1:28:38little bit and that's when I knew it was
1:28:39bad.
1:28:40>> Okay. And what was her behavior like
1:28:42when that was occurring? What would she
1:28:44do?
1:28:46She would still try to be she would try
1:28:48to fake it and be normal,
1:28:51>> but she just couldn't function. Her
1:28:52voice would be slurred and she just
1:28:54would not be acting right. I'm like,
1:28:56"Honey, you just need to lay down." So,
1:28:59we just get her to lay down or just her
1:29:01calm down. She would at first when it
1:29:04was first going on, we'd get her a beer
1:29:05or some alcohol to thin her blood
1:29:08>> was what the theory was. It would help.
1:29:10And that helped at first, but after a
1:29:12while, it didn't help anymore. and she
1:29:14had some uh the one doctor that she was
1:29:16going to had some pills that they had
1:29:18made. It was a combination of three
1:29:20three different drugs and she'd take
1:29:23them and it was for migraines.
1:29:25>> Okay.
1:29:26>> And that helped and the the one pharmacy
1:29:28there's only one pharmacy was up by
1:29:30Chelsea that I guess they had to custom
1:29:32make them there and that's where she got
1:29:34those and that seemed to help the most.
1:29:36>> Okay.
1:29:36>> It would do away. I mean, she would
1:29:37still some of the pills you take like
1:29:41then she'd just be a zombie. But this
1:29:43here, she would still function. She'd
1:29:44talk and it'd be more like the normal D.
1:29:47She'd just be slowed down version.
1:29:51>> And aside from your, you said looking
1:29:53back you could see things with the
1:29:54pills. Did you have any suspicion then
1:29:56or see her taking pills that you thought
1:29:58were an excess?
1:30:00>> I always thought I don't take any pills.
1:30:02So, I always thought it's an excess. If
1:30:03she's taking anything, why are you
1:30:05taking those? But I guess I'm just a
1:30:07freak that doesn't have I mean I don't
1:30:10drink and I don't smoke. So I'm already
1:30:11a freaking freak because I don't drink
1:30:13alcohol. But
1:30:14>> okay. What's wrong with you?
1:30:16>> I don't know. All I know how to do is
1:30:18work. You know
1:30:19>> it's a good problem to have.
1:30:20>> Well, yeah. I didn't spend any time with
1:30:23my first four kids cuz all they did is
1:30:25work. So
1:30:26>> I'm making it up.
1:30:33um initially um when this happened you
1:30:36and and I don't want to misquote you so
1:30:38please correct me but if I'm saying
1:30:39something that you said I want you to
1:30:40correct me if I'm wrong sincerely okay
1:30:44>> you had made a statement about uh she's
1:30:46in Jamaica
1:30:48>> and what made you think that
1:30:50>> she loved it there she was fascinated
1:30:52with it down there and what makes me
1:30:55think and I I still
1:30:58I will find her she's I will find her
1:31:01eventually
1:31:02she's in Jamaica or she's in Mexico. And
1:31:05the reason I say she's in Jamaica and
1:31:08when we're down there, she was
1:31:10fascinated with it. She was always off
1:31:12with the
1:31:14what would you call it? The person
1:31:15that's in charge of the resort that you
1:31:17know gives you all the information, can
1:31:19get you anything you want while you're
1:31:21there, take you wherever. And she's
1:31:23always fascinating when you're in
1:31:23Jamaica worth resorts and you look up on
1:31:25the hill, there's all these mansions way
1:31:27up on the mountain hill and like who are
1:31:30those up there? I want to go up there.
1:31:32That's all the drug cartels. That's all
1:31:34the people that you don't want to go up
1:31:36there.
1:31:36>> She's fascinated with that stuff. She's
1:31:38there.
1:31:39>> I guarantee you.
1:31:41>> You tell my wife she can't do something,
1:31:43she's going to prove you wrong. She's
1:31:44going to go there, she's going to do it.
1:31:46She was on that cruise ship
1:31:51about three years ago when she
1:31:54found somebody on that ship that
1:31:57hooked her up or they hit it off like
1:31:59her and I did years ago.
1:32:02and they told each other some dreams of
1:32:04what they wanted to be here, what they
1:32:05wanted to do, and
1:32:08she's in Jamaica and the mansions or
1:32:11she's in Mexico and some of the places
1:32:13you don't want to go to.
1:32:15>> This person she had an offer with. Can
1:32:16you describe that to me? I was hearing
1:32:19he was a he was a guy on the boat. He
1:32:21was one of the directors or one of the
1:32:23top guys there. And it was either him or
1:32:26an associate of his that was on the boat
1:32:28that was very well off but very well to
1:32:30do. and she was hanging with them a lot
1:32:33on the boat. This is according to my
1:32:34brother and just the things that D would
1:32:38tell me, you know, we did this and
1:32:40actually tell me she like you can see it
1:32:42back. I should have told that I mean
1:32:47they left
1:32:51which is a worker in the office.
1:32:53>> Yep.
1:32:54>> And D went on this cruise that one boat.
1:32:56I don't like boats. I don't want a boat.
1:32:58She was pissed. I'll show you. I'm going
1:33:00to go anyway. So, she took
1:33:03her daughter. So, then my brother went
1:33:07their daughter and my sister went and
1:33:11cancer. That was her last trip before
1:33:13she passed away.
1:33:14>> Um, so my brother and them left the
1:33:18girls out with tea
1:33:20for the night.
1:33:23D put the girls in the room, put a movie
1:33:25in. They go out bar hopping all night.
1:33:28leave the kids in the room all by
1:33:30themselves on a boat with 8,000 [ __ ]
1:33:32people on it. I find this out after the
1:33:34fact. My brother says, you know, I
1:33:36really don't want to say this to you,
1:33:38but I'm going to tell you because my
1:33:40daughter was left alone in the room
1:33:42while our house called me in the middle
1:33:45of the night scared because no one was
1:33:48in the room with them and my brother
1:33:50then were furious that they left her in
1:33:53the room. Why did you just have come
1:33:54back to our room? Well, why they're out
1:33:56bar hopping at night? had sponges with
1:33:59these guys on the ship.
1:34:02>> And you're learning about this after the
1:34:03fact?
1:34:03>> I learned this. I've got bits and pieces
1:34:06of this now for four years, three years.
1:34:08>> Okay.
1:34:09>> I'm trying to put back together in my
1:34:11mind. And I'm thinking, okay, she's on
1:34:13this cruise ship. She's on the cruise
1:34:15ship. She bought $10,000 ring. She
1:34:18brought another $5,000 worth of jewelry
1:34:20here that I found the receipts in the
1:34:21mail.
1:34:24You know,
1:34:26you we're in Jamaica. She's buying
1:34:27jewelry. I find out after the fact I get
1:34:30home, she's fascinated with these places
1:34:33up on the hill wanting to take off and
1:34:35go to town by herself. I'm like, "No,
1:34:37you can't." Well, then she goes and
1:34:39you'll have to send the arm guard with
1:34:40her everywhere she go. So, she's there.
1:34:44She's in Mexico, one of these places.
1:34:46>> And and I just want to be clear u
1:34:48specific with you.
1:34:49>> No, that's that's my gut.
1:34:50>> Yeah, that that's going to ask you
1:34:51specific with the guy that she met on a
1:34:53cruise ship. That's something that
1:34:54you're thinking hindsight or you have
1:34:56something to
1:34:57>> I don't have anything backed up other
1:34:59than what she's told me and different.
1:35:00It's all speculation.
1:35:01>> Okay. And the reason why I asked
1:35:03>> I mean I'm leaving the the kids in the
1:35:05room. I had my brother to back it up.
1:35:07Amy
1:35:08>> I think we heard that before.
1:35:10>> That'll all back up. But far as anything
1:35:11else is speculation, but that's
1:35:15I'm her husband. That's that's my gut
1:35:16feeling. I mean that's I know my wife.
1:35:19>> Okay.
1:35:21uh you have this this um gut feeling
1:35:23that she's in Jamaica or Mexico and can
1:35:25you describe how she would have gotten
1:35:27there with without a passport or without
1:35:29crossing a border?
1:35:30>> You don't need a passport to get in
1:35:32Mexico. You don't need to get in Jamaica
1:35:33either. If you guys think you had that
1:35:36one,
1:35:37>> you guys are really
1:35:42the most common way to get there, right?
1:35:43So yeah, I mean if you were her, how
1:35:45would you have gotten there without one?
1:35:46Can you describe that to me? She's going
1:35:48to get down get driven down to Florida.
1:35:52She's going to get on a boat. She's
1:35:53going to go over.
1:35:55You don't need a passport to get
1:35:57Jamaican. You give them 50 bucks.
1:35:59Mexico, you give them 10 bucks. I've
1:36:01seen that coming back from Mexico. Our
1:36:04guys lost their paperwork. We took a
1:36:06group down there. Didn't have nothing.
1:36:08Went in the back. Gave the guy 10 bucks
1:36:10on the plane. We're gone. We're home.
1:36:14>> Okay. When was that?
1:36:16I can tell you the year was few years
1:36:18ago and when we were D and I just went
1:36:20down to uh Jamaica
1:36:24was it 6 months for street point missing
1:36:27or wasn't too long before that nothing's
1:36:29changed you know I mean the guy that
1:36:31works over dad's Aussie the black guy
1:36:33works over there he's from Jamaica
1:36:36his brother's a detective down there you
1:36:38know it's all money you have some money
1:36:41you can spend anything you want it's
1:36:43unbelievable
1:36:44>> okay Um, specifically on on the money
1:36:47topic, where would she have um gotten
1:36:49this money to do this? Because now it's
1:36:51been a long time to have survived on
1:36:52this money. Where she where she got?
1:36:54>> Still ting up how much money she got.
1:36:56We're still puzzled on where she could
1:36:58have funneled it or how she's got the
1:36:59money to where she can get it. I
1:37:01hypothetically just
1:37:03>> Okay. And you had previously made
1:37:05statements about money missing from the
1:37:07safe.
1:37:08>> Can you describe that to us?
1:37:10>> I think there was money in the safe was
1:37:12gone.
1:37:14uh h how how much money was in the safe?
1:37:17>> There was approximately close to
1:37:21>> not for sure. There was between $75 to
1:37:23$100,000 of cash in the safe.
1:37:25>> Okay. And um can you describe how
1:37:29>> how that money was collected or how it
1:37:31came to be?
1:37:32It was uh we sold different pieces of
1:37:34machinery and you know over the time we
1:37:38you take your paycheck, you put $100
1:37:40aside, you put in safe and it's just
1:37:42accumulated over years.
1:37:44>> Okay. And then how much was missing when
1:37:47she left?
1:37:49>> Um I don't remember for sure without I
1:37:52mean Kevin would know because we went
1:37:54down there and looked and it seemed like
1:37:57there was only like 18 or 20,000. I mean
1:37:59don't quote me. I'd have to ask Kevin
1:38:00because I think we looked or counted or
1:38:02did some at the time. Seemed like
1:38:04there's only like 18 or 20,000 left.
1:38:06>> When you say Kevin, you're referring to
1:38:07Grea. Make sure I'm clear. Okay. And can
1:38:09you if I was leaving forever, I would
1:38:11leave anything behind. Can you explain
1:38:13that?
1:38:14>> I don't She knows that that I I figured
1:38:17she left that because that was the
1:38:18amount of money that she figured I'd
1:38:20been putting in there for my paychecks
1:38:22and what I saved
1:38:24since forever. So, I guess she had a
1:38:27little guilt that she left. I a lot of
1:38:29things she did I don't understand.
1:38:32>> Okay.
1:38:32>> But
1:38:34like you said it would have been just as
1:38:35easy to take it all but she left the one
1:38:37bag that the money that I put in. So
1:38:40>> she had it off a bank account the TCF
1:38:43account.
1:38:44>> Yeah. TLC
1:38:46that was um that she was using to file
1:38:49money into that from DJW investments and
1:38:52some other stuff.
1:38:55But the most of the money was from when
1:38:57we had an auction, sold different piece
1:38:59of machinery to her stuff. Some guys
1:39:02paid cash she put in there.
1:39:06I know she said that was her money. I
1:39:08thought back. Why did she say that was
1:39:10her money though? She thought it was
1:39:11hers. And a lot of those financial
1:39:14questions were awaiting a financial
1:39:15forensic audit. So a lot of those
1:39:17questions are going to be answered. We
1:39:18just don't have them right now
1:39:19essentially. But specifically with cash,
1:39:22um it's sometimes hard to show where
1:39:25from it was where
1:39:26>> well it was acquired over years. It's
1:39:28how you go see.
1:39:29>> Yeah. A lot of it we're going to
1:39:31discover, but that's a large sum of
1:39:32money to have in a house. So I was
1:39:33interested
1:39:35if you had a specific thing like we sold
1:39:36this tractor, it's worth X or you know
1:39:38something large, but nothing like that
1:39:40comes to mind.
1:39:42>> Okay.
1:39:43>> Okay.
1:39:44I mean that might be a large amount of
1:39:46money for
1:39:48some of it's not for it wasn't for us. I
1:39:51mean we'd have $100,000 in safe at all
1:39:53times. I mean you know two other riskies
1:39:57had a million dollars in saf
1:40:00size the volume in business.
1:40:02>> How long had you had money like that of
1:40:03that amount in the safe?
1:40:05>> Oh we've always had $50 to $100,000 in
1:40:08the safe even when we're giving you
1:40:09bankruptcy. I mean you you're that's
1:40:11your cash reserve. What are you going to
1:40:12do? you know, if everything goes to
1:40:14hell, you have money to live on.
1:40:16>> Okay?
1:40:17>> That's not money that you're going to
1:40:18use to make a house payment or other
1:40:20payments. That's the money that you have
1:40:22to have to put on the table, you know,
1:40:25to live on.
1:40:29>> Okay.
1:40:30>> I imagine at home in your house, you
1:40:31probably have some cash stuffed away
1:40:33somewhere that your wife you got for
1:40:35your kids and you're not going to
1:40:38>> I'm assuming that
1:40:39>> my wife isn't trusting me with our
1:40:40money, so I
1:40:41>> Excuse me. You're in my shoes if you
1:40:43don't want your wife.
1:40:44>> I'm telling you.
1:40:44>> I'm telling you. I made that comment
1:40:46earlier. I wasn't kidding. Um
1:40:48>> I can tell you why you do not have
1:40:49100,000.
1:40:54>> Okay. Um you have to forgive me. We got
1:40:56to get a couple more parts here, but I
1:40:58have to stop the restroom. Can I get you
1:40:59another water while I'm out?
1:41:00>> No, I'm going to use the restroom, too.
1:41:03>> Okay. Do you guys know where that one
1:41:04is? I just go one at a time. Is that all
1:41:06right? I'm going to There's another one
1:41:07around the corner I'm going to use.
1:41:08>> Sure.
1:41:10You want to drink water? You got some
1:41:11more sauce.
1:41:18Am I saying anything? I'm
1:41:18>> not supposed to say drink.
1:41:22>> Transparency is king. You're doing well.
1:41:24>> I mean, my wife said,
1:41:38>> how would you Oh, yeah. They didn't they
1:41:41didn't have a lot of
1:41:43um they merged with DCL
1:41:47like after I graduated like 96 or seven
1:41:52just about the time they so DCL used to
1:41:55be where America Park is now.
1:41:57>> Oh yeah.
1:41:57>> And they knew they were going to tear
1:41:59the school down to build a stadium.
1:42:02>> So and Michigan State didn't have a law
1:42:03school. So they had sort of a
1:42:05professional relationship for a while
1:42:08and then basically Michigan State
1:42:11absorbed them and they became Michigan
1:42:13State Law School.
1:42:14>> Oh, nice.
1:42:15>> So
1:42:15>> that
1:42:17I was going to I actually wor was
1:42:19working in Washington at the time and
1:42:22was going to stay there and go to law
1:42:23school, but I decided to come home and
1:42:24go to law school in Detroit stay with
1:42:26family. But I had a had a unique
1:42:29opportunity to be singing with the time.
1:42:31So
1:42:32>> didn't want to be in that fishbowl.
1:42:34Didn't want to stay there.
1:42:35>> So I was happy to get out.
1:42:37>> Particular in little chunks.
1:42:39>> I was it was well it was it was in the
1:42:4180s. I mean I was there when President
1:42:43Bag was there. That was pretty
1:42:45experienced
1:42:46and uh
1:42:47>> I don't know if that was like the 80s
1:42:49said before you were
1:42:52>> we do it.
1:42:53>> I had to get it in.
1:42:56So, I'm driving down
1:42:58>> driving down here this morning. I'm
1:43:00listening to the ticket, right? And like
1:43:02everybody, I'm kind of excited about the
1:43:04Lions and what's going on. I mean, you
1:43:06know,
1:43:07>> but I actually remember the Lions used
1:43:09to be sort of good back in the, you
1:43:12know, late 80s, early 90s. My dad was
1:43:14Wayne Fence. We were really good
1:43:16friends.
1:43:17>> Oh, yeah. So, we used to spend a lot of
1:43:19time going to Lions games and stuff.
1:43:22And then after that, the wheels fell off
1:43:24for 20 years. And uh yeah, I went to the
1:43:27NFC Championship in 1991.
1:43:31They lost to the Redskins
1:43:34and the Redskins ended up going with
1:43:35Mark Riv Super Bowl. They won. It was
1:43:39that was the last time the Lions really
1:43:41were in
1:43:42>> the last time I won a playoff game is
1:43:4391.
1:43:44>> Y they beat the Cowboys at the Sils at
1:43:47that game. Couple years after that,
1:43:50maybe 92 or 93,
1:43:53they they were in the playoffs against
1:43:55Green Bay and Sterling Sharp went into
1:43:58overtime. The very first play from
1:44:00scrimmage, prepar Sterling Sharp on a
1:44:03long bomb, the Lions lost. It was like
1:44:05literally the first play
1:44:09and and I don't know, I think the Lions
1:44:11maybe made the playoffs one more time
1:44:13after that until 2016,
1:44:15>> right? They were just so bad for so many
1:44:17years.
1:44:19>> I I still found myself Sunday watching
1:44:21and going, "Oh, they're gonna blow. Oh,
1:44:23they're they're gone. See, same old
1:44:25line." And then they came through. So,
1:44:27>> so this guy was on the radio this
1:44:29morning. He goes, "The Lions could win a
1:44:30playoff game for the first time in my
1:44:33life."
1:44:34>> And I'm going, "You aren't old enough to
1:44:36remember that anybody."
1:44:41If I could ask you a generic farming
1:44:43question, Dale, could you in 30 seconds
1:44:46if it's possible describe like the
1:44:48seasons of a farmer? So, winter, spring,
1:44:51summer. What are you doing through those
1:44:53seasons?
1:44:54>> What am I doing? I asked him the same
1:44:56question.
1:44:57Right now, we're still, you know,
1:44:59marketing our crop from this year.
1:45:03>> When you say marketing, literally
1:45:04selling.
1:45:05>> Yeah, marketing. Okay. Selling. Um, I'm
1:45:08looking at u purchasing the inputs far
1:45:11as chemicals and fertilizers and seed
1:45:13for next year.
1:45:14>> Okay.
1:45:14>> We're getting machinery in and getting
1:45:16it retoled, redone for next year.
1:45:20Um, we'll be taking, you know, as we're
1:45:22going through here February, we'll be
1:45:24getting orders of hopefully what
1:45:26application jobs we're going to do for
1:45:28someone else or what their needs are
1:45:30going to be so we can get it into the
1:45:31buildings. U, our seed corner will be
1:45:34coming. They call here the other day
1:45:35want to bring seed and I'm like I don't
1:45:37want seed yet. I'm going to wait till
1:45:38after first year they start bringing
1:45:40seed in. We start putting it in
1:45:41inventory.
1:45:42>> Okay.
1:45:42>> And they'll start bringing out soybean
1:45:44seed. We'll put it in our bulk tanks. Um
1:45:47basically we're getting machinery around
1:45:49up until
1:45:51you know February March
1:45:53>> and and what happens then February
1:45:55>> March is you know depends on what mother
1:45:57nature does but March you'll be the time
1:45:59when you can start putting some hydroon
1:46:02or you'll be putting on some fertilizer
1:46:03liquid fertilizers or dries just depends
1:46:06on what crops you're growing um you'll
1:46:09be top dressing wheat.
1:46:11>> What does that mean?
1:46:12>> Putting fertilizer on wheat. You got the
1:46:14you got wheat winter wheat that was
1:46:15planted, you know, here month or two
1:46:17ago.
1:46:18>> Okay,
1:46:18>> you'll be out putting the fertilizer on
1:46:19it. You want to put it on once either
1:46:21>> uh while the wheat's still dormant. It
1:46:23doesn't come out of dormcancy till you
1:46:25know weather starts warming up and your
1:46:26yard starts turning rain. The wheat's
1:46:28coming out of dormcy. So, you want to
1:46:29get the fertilizer on. So, when it comes
1:46:30out of dormcancy, the fertilizer is
1:46:32there, the nitrogen there. It takes a
1:46:34lot of nitrogen for wheat. So, it's
1:46:35there to get growing. Um you're going to
1:46:37be scalping for weeds or weeds and bugs.
1:46:40Your first application a week you spray
1:46:43four times. So you'll be out there, you
1:46:45putting your fertilizer on. The first
1:46:46application probably in February, March.
1:46:49Second application you'll be out, you'll
1:46:50be putting more fertilizer on and
1:46:52probably an insecticide
1:46:55um or herbicide. Third one you'll be
1:46:57doing for fungus
1:46:59and the fourth one will be for fungus
1:47:00and insects and that'll be right up in
1:47:04probably May will be your last
1:47:06application in the week unless you get
1:47:10It depends on if you get a lot of
1:47:12moisture. You know, fungus will grow
1:47:14from molds and stuff. You'll have to
1:47:16spray for for mold in the wheat and then
1:47:18you'll get some weevils or different
1:47:20insects will come in. You got to spray
1:47:22for those. And uh same time you're
1:47:25you're doing burndown, which is spraying
1:47:27like two 240 to kill weeds are in the
1:47:30field, you know. So when you go through
1:47:32the tillage equipment, it's not balling
1:47:33up and making a mess. Um, and you
1:47:36putting on fertilizer then getting ready
1:47:39for seed and you go out and you plant
1:47:41your seed with the planters. You put
1:47:42more fertilizer on. Um, then you're
1:47:45going to go out spray an application of
1:47:47Roundup and some for post emergent
1:47:49spraying which going to be like atrizine
1:47:52metallic
1:47:54which is all to keep the weeds from
1:47:56coming up. and you can go back out again
1:47:59and probably middle of June top dress,
1:48:02which is putting in more fertilizer for
1:48:04the corn. Um, you're going to be looking
1:48:06for insects and weeds. You got to spray
1:48:08and you're getting towards the middle to
1:48:10end of July. You're getting close to
1:48:12tassel where it's going to be
1:48:13pollinating. Um, we've got a thing that
1:48:16they call
1:48:18it's soot, black soot. And there's
1:48:20different diseases that are coming in
1:48:21the corn right now. wear out spray with
1:48:24airplanes to stop the black smut and
1:48:26stuff from coming in. Um, and then
1:48:29you're going to start your harvesting
1:48:30with the beans. I mean, you're going to
1:48:31be scouting the beans in June and July
1:48:33for Chinese beetles and different
1:48:36insects and spraying. So, it never it
1:48:39never ends.
1:48:41>> Do you just keep track of all the stuff
1:48:42in your head or do you have a schedule
1:48:43formal schedule for everything?
1:48:44>> A lot of it's in my head. I mean, you
1:48:46know, by the seasons just
1:48:49>> and even I mean your body your body
1:48:51knows when this is coming or I mean the
1:48:53weather
1:48:53>> that's what say the weather I mean you
1:48:55can't predict like it's been
1:48:58>> unreasonably warm and so coming up right
1:49:00now you know not that things be planned
1:49:03I've known this my whole life so it's
1:49:04just
1:49:06>> you know used to farmers dominate
1:49:08>> you know lot of it's hard to find them
1:49:10anymore
1:49:11>> it's hard to get them anymore but you
1:49:13know you do there's a lot of truth to
1:49:15it. Grandpa, what do I say? The what is
1:49:17it? The frogs croak so many times before
1:49:20a hard frost. And there's so many
1:49:22different sayings. The locust, you know,
1:49:24you hear sounds like the frogs at night,
1:49:26you hear all the locust chirping. So
1:49:28many times they chirp at night, you're
1:49:30going to get frost. So many times they
1:49:32chirp at night, it's going to rain.
1:49:34These guys had [ __ ] down, let me tell
1:49:36you.
1:49:37>> And then different ones, you know, with
1:49:39the cattle, cuz you dehorn cattle, you
1:49:40got to cut their horns off. Otherwise,
1:49:42you know, they'll gore each other when
1:49:44they get older, bigger. And uh there's
1:49:46sayings out that you don't want to
1:49:49dehorn cattle after a half moon. You
1:49:52want to do it after a full moon and
1:49:53they'll bleed less. And goddamn son.
1:49:57It's true. I mean, you dehorn them and
1:49:59they're bleeding. You go in a room and
1:50:00there's blood sprayed everywhere because
1:50:02you know the arteries are right up
1:50:03there.
1:50:05Next time you do it after full moon,
1:50:07they didn't bleed at all. There's some
1:50:09truth to this stuff, but bad luck to
1:50:12draw.
1:50:13>> It affects the tides. So, I don't know.
1:50:17>> There's so many so many things.
1:50:19>> Sure.
1:50:21>> But there's so many things so many
1:50:23things that
1:50:26>> there's so many things that I
1:50:26>> He's in charge of psychics.
1:50:29>> There's so many things that I would
1:50:31remember to tell you because it's all
1:50:32like second nature now. I mean, I just
1:50:34>> Yeah.
1:50:34>> When you I say go plant corn. Well, I
1:50:37already know what it all is. You're
1:50:38going to look at me like, "Well, what do
1:50:39I have to do?" Which that's what my son
1:50:42used to tell. Dad, you need to tell me
1:50:44everything you're assuming that I know
1:50:46what you're talking about.
1:50:49But it is you just do it your whole life
1:50:50cuz you're second nature. It's like
1:50:52breathing.
1:50:53>> And outside of your when I say your
1:50:55farming, I'm referring to the land that
1:50:56you own. When it comes to um please
1:50:59correct me, my vernacular is going to be
1:51:01wrong. When it comes to lands you were
1:51:03contracted to spray or fertilize, do you
1:51:06have a formal schedule for that or how
1:51:08does that work? So, let's say I own 100
1:51:10acres and I'm going to hire you to
1:51:12spray.
1:51:13Do you schedule a specific day with me
1:51:15or how does that work? You're going to
1:51:16call me and say, I've got 100 acres of
1:51:18corn. I want you to spray it. I'm going
1:51:19to ask you when did you plant it? You
1:51:22know, how big is the corn now? What
1:51:24fertilizer do you have on? What do you
1:51:25have on? Do you have any chemicals? Have
1:51:27you done anything? Did you till it or is
1:51:29it no till? No till means you just went
1:51:31out and planted it. You didn't till the
1:51:32ground. So you didn't kill any of the
1:51:34weeds or strain the ground.
1:51:36Um I'm going to ask you those questions
1:51:39and then I'm going to come out and look
1:51:40at it. I'm going to go out. Okay, you
1:51:43planted it the other day. So I know you
1:51:44planted it on Monday. Well, okay, I've
1:51:46got two weeks before I really got to be
1:51:48concerned about it cuz that's be like
1:51:50this. If I run over it, it'll pop back
1:51:51up. It gets over this tall, you run over
1:51:53it, it's dead. That's cool. So I'm going
1:51:55to come out and look at it and I'm going
1:51:57to ask you what weeds you have. Do you
1:51:58have a lot of thistles? Do you have
1:52:00broadleaf weeds? Grasses. So I know what
1:52:03chemistry I have to use to keep it
1:52:04clean. Did you plant a Roundup Ready
1:52:06corn?
1:52:07>> Did you print Liberty Link? Do you have
1:52:10>> Are those brands or what is that?
1:52:12>> That's resistance to different
1:52:13herbicides.
1:52:14>> Okay.
1:52:14>> Round up ready. You can spray Round Up
1:52:15on it. Won't kill it. Liberty Link will
1:52:17be you can spray Liberty on it won't
1:52:19kill it. Um there's different ones. Is
1:52:22it BT corn resistant where the bugs eat
1:52:25it, they die? Um, is it riporm
1:52:27resistant? Am I going to need to put
1:52:29like chlorophos on or something for
1:52:30insecticides?
1:52:32And you're going to answer all those
1:52:33questions. I'm going to come out and
1:52:34look at it and go, "Okay, yeah, looks
1:52:36decent. This is what we're going to
1:52:37use." And I'm going to come back to a
1:52:39sprayer. And it's going to be determined
1:52:41by, you know, if we had rain today, I'm
1:52:43not going to come out here tomorrow
1:52:44because I'm not going to sink in and mud
1:52:45your field up. I'm going to wait till
1:52:46it's dry. You know, schedule by they're
1:52:49calling for rain tomorrow. Well, no. I
1:52:51don't want to spray it tomorrow because
1:52:52the stuff I'm spraying takes four hours.
1:52:54you know, it's got to be on the plan or
1:52:56be there four hours before it can work.
1:52:58So, I will spray in the spray an hour
1:53:00later. Well, we just wasted 30 40 bucks
1:53:02an acre. So, after we determine all
1:53:05that, I'll just come and get it done.
1:53:06Then, you got to make sure the wind
1:53:08can't be blowing. If you're in a
1:53:09subdivision, I don't want this stuff
1:53:11blowing over on the neighbors, killing
1:53:12their grass, or if their kids are out
1:53:14there, they're going to be turn me in
1:53:15that I'm drifting on them. So, I mean,
1:53:18far as me schedule, I'm going to be
1:53:19there Monday to spray it at 9:00. No,
1:53:21that don't happen.
1:53:23>> Okay. going to be when the weather is
1:53:25right and you have faith in me that
1:53:27>> within a window of the appropriate time
1:53:29for that plant essentially. Right.
1:53:30>> Right.
1:53:30>> Okay. You know you have you look at it,
1:53:32you know you have 5 days. You're going
1:53:33to be there within that 5day period, but
1:53:35it's never I'm going to be here this
1:53:36morning or that morning.
1:53:37>> Right. You're going to be there when
1:53:40>> I mean there's mornings when it's real
1:53:42calm out and there's no wind. Great.
1:53:43Let's go spray. And there's days that it
1:53:46doesn't stop blowing and you can't spray
1:53:49at all. I mean you'll have the
1:53:50competition out spraying still.
1:53:53I'm not going to do that because it
1:53:54ain't worth the risk, you know.
1:53:56>> And is what you just described as far as
1:53:58your schedule, I don't think so. Is that
1:54:00Dale or the like kind of the generic
1:54:02farmer? I'll say is kind of everyone
1:54:05operate that way or is that just
1:54:06>> everyone should but everyone don't
1:54:09>> I mean as far as scheduling is that um
1:54:11>> well if you go to the nutrients of the
1:54:13world they're going to schedule we're
1:54:14going to be we're going to be at your
1:54:16farm on Monday. You don't know what time
1:54:17they're going to be there Monday.
1:54:19They're going to be Tuesday and what
1:54:20they're going to do if the wind's
1:54:21blowing. They're going to put a drift
1:54:22agent in the tank. It's going to cost
1:54:24you about 10 12 bucks an acre or they're
1:54:26going to tweak. There's different
1:54:28chemistries you can do. We're going to
1:54:30put on more gallons. So, we're putting
1:54:31on more volume so the wind won't blow
1:54:33it. Or we're going to put on less. We'll
1:54:35cover more acres because our you got 100
1:54:38acres. We can only carry 80 acres in our
1:54:40tanks where we can cut back. Instead of
1:54:41putting 15 gallons on, we're going to
1:54:43put 10 so we can get in one job. So,
1:54:45we're putting less less product on. So,
1:54:48in my eyes, you're going to get poor
1:54:50control. So, I mean, there's a lot of
1:54:52things you can change. So, they can make
1:54:54the schedule.
1:54:55>> They got young guys in it that don't
1:54:57have the experience. They're just going
1:54:58to run.
1:55:00>> Okay.
1:55:00>> So, they don't care if they get a fine
1:55:03from MDA comes out, you spray the wind
1:55:05because they find the operator, not the
1:55:08company. So, you lose your license, get
1:55:11somebody else put in there.
1:55:12>> Oh, okay.
1:55:13>> So, I mean, the company probably gets a
1:55:15fine. No, no. But it goes on. You you
1:55:18have to make the determination of doing
1:55:20the job. It's just like driving a car.
1:55:22When you get in there, you're
1:55:23responsible for you hit someone, you do
1:55:25something, you're responsible for it,
1:55:27>> right? Where Dale does a little bit
1:55:28different than everybody else. So that's
1:55:30like in the morning, I try to get up
1:55:32early because that's when the wind isn't
1:55:33blowing. So I mean the de the day de
1:55:36left, for example, that was a calm day.
1:55:38Dave was scrambling like hell to get out
1:55:39there because I had a full day that I
1:55:41had to go and I knew the wind was going
1:55:43to pick up. So I got to get this done.
1:55:45So I got I mean I got to go go go go go
1:55:46go and like you can set away.
1:55:49>> Okay. And um as far as chemicals go for
1:55:52you uh
1:55:55owning and selling chemicals, is there a
1:55:58state license for that? Can you tell me
1:55:59about that?
1:56:00>> Yeah, we got a license from the state.
1:56:01>> Okay. And is that governed by Laura or
1:56:03somebody else?
1:56:04>> I think it's Laura and MDA.
1:56:06>> Okay. And uh what sort of chemicals do
1:56:08you have on hand at the farm?
1:56:11Um, I couldn't tell you for sure without
1:56:13looking intimidator right now, but
1:56:14usually Round Up, atrizine, you know,
1:56:16your normal herbicides.
1:56:18>> Okay. Anything else?
1:56:20>> Insecticides. There's no no I mean, what
1:56:23do you mean? Anything else? I guess I
1:56:25don't understand.
1:56:25>> I don't know cuz I'm not a farmer. Oh,
1:56:27you just tell me a list of stuff.
1:56:29>> Common. You're going to have Roundup.
1:56:31>> Okay.
1:56:32>> You're going to have an atrizine or
1:56:33metallic chloride, which is a a chemical
1:56:35you put down that that stays there for
1:56:3730, 40 days.
1:56:38>> Mhm. You're going to have some kind of
1:56:40an insecticide,
1:56:42you know, to kill the bugs. You're going
1:56:44to have some surfactants to make it
1:56:45stick to the plant so it'll go in
1:56:48um
1:56:50ammonium sulfate, which is dry, which
1:56:52softens the water to make it slipperier,
1:56:53so it the chemicals work better.
1:56:56>> Okay.
1:56:56>> Far as you're not going to have a lot of
1:56:59stuff sitting there. I mean, this is the
1:57:01time of year that we'd be taking orders,
1:57:03so we get a lot of stuff in in the
1:57:04spring so you have it there. But
1:57:07>> like now there's hardly anything in the
1:57:09barn because you don't want to carry
1:57:10inventory because you're paying money on
1:57:12it or you don't interest on it.
1:57:14>> Right. You don't want to buy it till you
1:57:15need it.
1:57:15>> Right.
1:57:15>> Right. Okay. Okay. Do you have a more
1:57:18question on that stuff? It's not about
1:57:19move into the weekend.
1:57:20>> No, I like So
1:57:21>> Okay. Um tell us uh what you remember
1:57:24and I'm referring to the weekend that um
1:57:27the weekend of April 24th and 25th,
1:57:29right? That weekend. So tell us what you
1:57:31remember from Saturday.
1:57:35Saturday.
1:57:39Saturday I think is the day that
1:57:42de called me all upset that she uh was
1:57:44done was done that we're putting tile
1:57:47in. The night before I was putting tile
1:57:48in. She brought pizza to the field which
1:57:50been Friday night I think it was. She
1:57:53brought pizza to the field. We all were
1:57:54tiling. We're talking about what we're
1:57:56going to do the next morning. I was
1:57:57going to go over try and finish that
1:57:58field of tile for cartridges.
1:58:02Um she was going to take the game. She
1:58:04wanted me to know if I was going to go,
1:58:05but I says, "No, I got to get this
1:58:07done." So, I was there putting the tile
1:58:09in. She took her to the game.
1:58:13And then when she called and said,
1:58:14"We're done. We're done." I was confused
1:58:16and she didn't talk to me the rest of
1:58:17the day. I think that day, Saturday,
1:58:23I think that's the day Todd and I went
1:58:24down to Parisburg or to pick a truck up
1:58:28and bring back on Saturday. We brought
1:58:30the truck back home.
1:58:33I think I was
1:58:35can't if I was spraying or spreading
1:58:37fertilizer what else I went over to
1:58:39towns and check the cattle that night
1:58:46stay
1:58:54Saturday night. Oh yeah, last night that
1:58:56the she was we were talking about what
1:59:01she meant by I'm done. done. And that's
1:59:03when I asked her what she wanted to do,
1:59:05if she just wanted to stay and watch the
1:59:07kids or what she wanted to do. And
1:59:09that's when she started getting a
1:59:10migraine.
1:59:17Well, she got some of her meds out of
1:59:19the cupboard, took them. She had a she
1:59:23got so I think she said she got
1:59:26pizza or no subs or something or no
1:59:29breakfast burritos. I think it was from
1:59:31the stand in to come that day. So I got
1:59:35them out of the cooler, warmed it up,
1:59:37had to eat.
1:59:41We laid down, had a movie in
1:59:44sleep in the living room.
1:59:46I got up the next morning. I think it
1:59:48was around 6 or a little before.
1:59:52Ran outside.
1:59:54I get I think I got the K Cabota around.
1:59:58I got some chemical at the barn. I got
1:59:59the JCB out.
2:00:02Hold up. So I get the trash out of the
2:00:04building when I was load sprayer out.
2:00:10I wanted to spray the weed. I think I
2:00:12sprayed Yeah, sprayed weed first down
2:00:16the road. Come back. I think I had to
2:00:17rinse out.
2:00:19I loaded up with a herbicide for
2:00:23I think it was burn down. burn down
2:00:25text. So it was around 240 volume
2:00:28sulfate. I headed up bystead.
2:00:32Yes.
2:00:36I went to Brooklyn.
2:00:40I think that's called
2:00:44Yeah, I was in Brooklyn. I think they
2:00:46want to know where D was at. I said
2:00:49she's at home on the couch sleeping.
2:00:52I was puzzled why. was calling me
2:00:54instead of she said called her looking
2:00:57for her mom.
2:00:59So I hang up and I called her I think I
2:01:03called her three
2:01:05three or four times before she answered
2:01:07and she said I couldn't find mom and I'm
2:01:10like well she's on the couch. I just
2:01:12left her probably an hour or two ago.
2:01:14She says no she's not here. I says okay
2:01:17well I'm spraying but I'll be home about
2:01:20half an hour and I'll be back. So that's
2:01:22when I um Finish spraying up the
2:01:24sprayer, come back here.
2:01:27I think I I don't remember if I pulled
2:01:28up to the office or pulled it behind.
2:01:30Seemed like I pulled it behind the house
2:01:32and went in went in the house and he
2:01:34wasn't there. She was in the house
2:01:35anywhere. I walked in the bedroom,
2:01:38looked around. That's when I noticed
2:01:40that her bags at the end of the bed were
2:01:42gone and her makeup bag and stuff in the
2:01:45bathroom was gone. And I says, "Bags are
2:01:48gone." She
2:01:52here. She's not there. Like, are you
2:01:54sure? She hadn't picked him up. She
2:01:55says, "No, the car's here." And I says,
2:01:56"Well, the number's here, too." I said,
2:01:58"No, no, I didn't." Then in the
2:02:02bathroom, looked around and she she
2:02:04agreed with me because she said, "Well,
2:02:05mom's hairsprays." No, popped the
2:02:07counter off. Hell, I didn't I wouldn't
2:02:09know much hairspray she worked out,
2:02:11picked out. She took her hairspray. She
2:02:13didn't take hair cuz hers was uncom.
2:02:17So then um I think I went out pulled out
2:02:21from to the office and I hindsight now
2:02:24looking back this is weirder than weird
2:02:27to me. De's been gone an hour
2:02:30to two hours and the kids are here all
2:02:33in a panic and she's left countless
2:02:35times.
2:02:37This is weird. And then in the office
2:02:40going through the security cameras
2:02:42trying to figure out where his mom's at.
2:02:45He wasn't going through security
2:02:46cameras. He was deleting off the cameras
2:02:48because he picked his mom up and he
2:02:50wanted no track as
2:02:54>> if I can I'm sorry can I go off on a
2:02:56tang I appreciate the information but
2:02:58specifically the Saturday
2:03:00>> um can you describe the the source of
2:03:04D's anger? What caused her to upset that
2:03:06to Can you talk to us about that? I
2:03:08guess she got into it with one of our
2:03:10drivers.
2:03:11>> Mhm.
2:03:12>> Over uh something his girlfriend or his
2:03:15wife or ex-wife or to be ex-wife had
2:03:17done. I guess they had a big argument
2:03:19when he quit it.
2:03:21And then she got into an argument with
2:03:22Todd that day over dispatching or
2:03:29who knows what else they were arguing
2:03:30over. He just said he called her out and
2:03:33said, "I know what you've been doing.
2:03:35You've been taking this money. didn't
2:03:36know you were doing this.
2:03:38And uh I think she was she had she
2:03:42couldn't hide it anymore.
2:03:45>> There was uh it's been um told to us
2:03:47that um you had informed some of the
2:03:50employees however that had happened that
2:03:53she was taking Xanax and she didn't take
2:03:55kindly to that. Can you describe that to
2:03:56us?
2:03:57>> I did what now? So we were told that you
2:04:00had informed whether it was Todd both of
2:04:02them that uh D was taking Xanax and that
2:04:05was a source a portion of her being
2:04:08upset that day.
2:04:09>> I've never told employees that she was
2:04:11taking Xanax anything like that.
2:04:13>> Okay. The way it was presented to us was
2:04:15um and I'm paraphrasing you know Dale
2:04:18went behind her back and told employees
2:04:19she's taking Xanax and that really hurt
2:04:21her because she didn't want people to
2:04:23know essentially. No,
2:04:24>> I never told anybody that they all knew
2:04:27it.
2:04:29That was I never told he's taking the
2:04:31same action that stuff.
2:04:34>> Okay.
2:04:35So, outside of the phone call you had
2:04:37with her at the soccer game, can you go
2:04:38back to that? What happened from that?
2:04:41>> I didn't talk to her the rest. She She
2:04:43would answer. I tried calling her
2:04:44several times, but she wouldn't answer
2:04:46her phone. Um I just finished uh
2:04:50can't remember. We finished putting Tile
2:04:52in. I can't remember if I went to the
2:04:53sprayer and sprayed more, but I know I
2:04:56had to take Todd down to uh
2:04:59pretty sure that was the day I took Todd
2:05:01down to Parisburg to get one of the
2:05:02trucks and bring back home. And I asked
2:05:05Todd on the way and he said, "Yeah, him
2:05:07and D got into it, but he didn't really
2:05:08say much other than I called her out,
2:05:12you know, today.
2:05:15What the hell am I going to do? My best
2:05:17driver's coming." Um,
2:05:19>> what was your instinct then? Do you
2:05:21think you this was going to resolve
2:05:23itself or what did you think at the
2:05:24time? Is this spat kind of common on
2:05:26what you see?
2:05:26>> I figured I figured, you know, I'm going
2:05:28to have to go out, talk, get back to
2:05:30work on Monday. This will all blow over
2:05:31and we'll be gone.
2:05:33>> Okay.
2:05:34>> I mean, I'm going to I'm going to go in
2:05:35the house tonight, you know, thinking
2:05:37this. I'm going to go in the house
2:05:38tonight. I'm going to get my ass chewed
2:05:39for something that I didn't I know
2:05:42nothing that went down. I'm going to get
2:05:43chewed up because I didn't stick up for
2:05:45her with argument.
2:05:48So, I know I'm going to lose this battle
2:05:49already, even though she's 100% wrong.
2:05:52So, I'm just going to have to bite my
2:05:53tongue. She argued with Todd. I'm
2:05:55thinking, well, the last thing I need to
2:05:57do is have Todd quit, too, because then
2:05:59we'll really be screwed. So, I'm
2:06:01thinking, yeah, she's going to argue,
2:06:02scream, and holler at me tomorrow. I'm
2:06:04going to have to go
2:06:06get him to come back to work and sing
2:06:09with Todd. It's going to bring up all
2:06:10would be tomorrow because that's sat
2:06:12Saturday. So, Monday
2:06:16talk to her, get them back and
2:06:18get it figured out. Another normal week,
2:06:20she'll be gone for a couple days and
2:06:21she'll be back.
2:06:22>> And and at that time, thinking about
2:06:24Saturday with how upset she was over
2:06:26this argument with her employees
2:06:28essentially,
2:06:29what do you think her mindset was like?
2:06:32>> I don't know. I mean, I don't I don't
2:06:34know any ignoring what she was thinking.
2:06:37Some of the statements you had made in
2:06:39the past were that um you were concerned
2:06:41she was abusing her pills and that she
2:06:43may be depressed. Is that accurate?
2:06:46>> Yeah, I think she was depressed. She I
2:06:47think she was wow she was uh upset,
2:06:50depressed cuz she didn't know what she
2:06:52was going to do now because you know her
2:06:54best driver quit. Todd's probably going
2:06:55to quit. So now what the hell's going to
2:06:57happen with the trucking company? She
2:06:59can't do it. That's why she's saying
2:07:01we're done. We're done. unbeknownst to
2:07:04me. I didn't know that a lot of was
2:07:06going on.
2:07:08>> Okay.
2:07:08>> Because I'm still in planting corn or
2:07:11getting crops in because you know April
2:07:1425th we're go day.
2:07:16>> Say it's a busy time of year in general.
2:07:18>> Oh, that's the busiest time of the year.
2:07:20>> April 25th is when I
2:07:22>> on a calendar pretty much every year I
2:07:23start planting corn. April 25th.
2:07:26>> Okay. Barring weather or whatever.
2:07:29>> Yeah. Barring weather. This is the day I
2:07:31started before. This is too early. This
2:07:33is the day we started.
2:07:34>> Okay. Expired.
2:07:36>> And you come home on Saturday and what
2:07:38happens then?
2:07:39>> I come home on Saturday. Um
2:07:44I see she's at the house and I call my
2:07:47son. He's still spraying fertilizer.
2:07:50So I go in the house to see D. And she
2:07:52said, she's questioning me about or I
2:07:54asked her what's going on with
2:07:57and she says going to my brother's house
2:07:59tonight. I'm like why? It's like 8:00 at
2:08:02night. Why is she going over there now?
2:08:05Because she's going over there. Okay. I
2:08:08got to go do chores, check the cattle.
2:08:12No, I want to get her. Okay. So I go
2:08:15over and uh
2:08:18check the cattle, feed them, talk and
2:08:22stuff. I think I had a son over there
2:08:24was doing it. Come back. Come in the
2:08:26house and seems like a at the door. She
2:08:28was coming. I can't remember if she was
2:08:30there when I left or when I came back
2:08:33there. She didn't say nothing. She's I
2:08:36went in the house
2:08:39talking to D and she's all upset and I
2:08:42says, "Okay, sit down. We'll talk about
2:08:44things." She says, "We're all done.
2:08:45We're all done." It's like, "I know
2:08:46you've told me this." Um, I quit. I was
2:08:50like, "Yeah, I heard
2:08:52quit." Todd's upset with me. I says,
2:08:55"Well, what do you want to do? What do
2:08:57you want to do? Do you want to just stay
2:08:59home and take care of the kids?
2:09:02What do you want to do?" She at first
2:09:03she tried screaming, starting the big
2:09:04fight. And that's when I trying to sit
2:09:07down talking to her. And then she got
2:09:09pissed. She says, "You're using this
2:09:10counselor on me. I'm just not to say
2:09:15anything sical because it'll make it
2:09:17even worse. And uh I'm like, "No, honey.
2:09:20Just sit down. We'll talk it out and
2:09:22figure it out." And she's talking to me.
2:09:24She's still mad about she's going on.
2:09:26Tell me how your girlfriend did this or
2:09:29did that. I'm like, "Honey,
2:09:32it's not ours. You won't back me up on
2:09:35what I do." I says, "Honey, I can't back
2:09:37you up on something wrong. I can't I
2:09:40can't tell what to do with his own
2:09:42life." And I could see that she was
2:09:45starting to get a migraine because she's
2:09:47I'm over you're here and she's looking
2:09:49over here talking like she's talking to
2:09:51me. I says you're getting the migraine.
2:09:53Yeah. I says you can't see very good,
2:09:55can you? No. Did you eat? No. You ate
2:09:59anything today? No. I says you have to
2:10:02eat. That's why you're getting migraine.
2:10:04So I went over and got some stuff out of
2:10:06the vision. I was going to start
2:10:06cooking. That's when she said, "I got
2:10:08some breakfast burritos at Tecumpsy at
2:10:12the They had stand or something set up."
2:10:15So, she got those out. She got over and
2:10:16she started to cut it and I think she
2:10:18cut her finger cuz she was doing I says,
2:10:20"Stop. Stop." I cut it, warmed it up and
2:10:24we ate some breakfast. She ate a little
2:10:26bit. I says, "Are you feeling any
2:10:27better?" "Yeah." And I could tell she
2:10:29wasn't because her face was sagged just
2:10:32a little bit and her words were a little
2:10:33bit slurp. She said, "I got to take one
2:10:35of my pills.
2:10:36So she went over to the counter, went
2:10:38through her pill bottles and got one,
2:10:39took it and we went in, sat down. We're
2:10:42talking, she's still eating one. Says,
2:10:43"You got to drink something, too,
2:10:44because you're getting dehydrated.
2:10:46That's why you're having this problem."
2:10:49And she's like, "No." And she's just
2:10:51crying. I I just don't know what to do.
2:10:52I I don't know what to do. I said, "Just
2:10:55lay down, rest, we'll watch a movie."
2:10:59You know, that's what we did. We laid
2:11:01down. She just I rubbed her back a
2:11:03little bit. She always wants me to put
2:11:05pressure on her head to make her feel a
2:11:06little better. Rubbed her back her neck
2:11:09and she seemed to be getting better. She
2:11:10was talking a little bit and I thought
2:11:11things were getting better. You know, we
2:11:14went to sleep and I got up in the
2:11:16morning. She's there and I just sneak
2:11:18out because, you know, she's been out
2:11:21struggling and I went to work.
2:11:23>> You had previously described this as one
2:11:25of the worst arguments you had had. Can
2:11:27you describe that to us?
2:11:29It was one of the worst arguments that
2:11:31we've had in a in a in a way that she's
2:11:33never said we're all done and I was
2:11:35confused at what she's talking about.
2:11:38>> And then after, you know, I get into it
2:11:40more. We're all done. And now a year and
2:11:43a half later,
2:11:45you know, she knew she couldn't cover
2:11:47the lie anymore.
2:11:49>> You know, the money that she took, the
2:11:51stuff they done in the computer, the
2:11:53deleting stuff, they know it's all to be
2:11:55found now.
2:11:56>> She can't hide it. You had previously
2:11:58stated that you gave her some medicine.
2:12:00Can you
2:12:00>> No, I never gave her any medicine.
2:12:02>> Okay. Any idea why you might have said
2:12:04that then?
2:12:05>> Yeah, I don't recall saying that cuz she
2:12:07always got her own medicine out.
2:12:09>> Okay. No, no idea why you might have
2:12:12been mistaken about a different day or
2:12:13something.
2:12:14>> Maybe I went and picked medicine out for
2:12:16her at the pharmacy.
2:12:18>> Okay. That specific day or another time?
2:12:20>> Would probably would have been another
2:12:21time because I didn't get anything for
2:12:22her that day.
2:12:23>> Okay. So, I want to be clear. You did
2:12:26not physically give her any medicine.
2:12:27The medicine she took, she obtained
2:12:29herself from wherever.
2:12:30>> Yeah.
2:12:31>> Okay. And you only saw her take, you saw
2:12:33her take.
2:12:34>> I didn't see what she took. Okay.
2:12:35>> No. Living rooms here. The medicine
2:12:37she's got in her counter. She went over
2:12:38there, got what she was doing. I was
2:12:40>> You're referring to the counter with the
2:12:41wood over kind of by the dining room
2:12:43table.
2:12:44>> The bar that's off to, you know, it's
2:12:46got the wine rack in it.
2:12:47>> That cover.
2:12:48>> You and I stood there together on the
2:12:49phone over there. Okay.
2:12:51>> Yeah. That covered right there is where
2:12:52she had all her medicine. Her medicine
2:12:53was in there and the rest of the
2:12:54medicine like for the aspirins and
2:12:57normal household stuff was all over in
2:12:59the kitchen.
2:12:59>> Okay.
2:13:00>> Cabinet over there. She kept all hers
2:13:01separate over there. So
2:13:03>> away from everything, but she I was over
2:13:05by the kitchen part getting, you know,
2:13:07the food warmed up and she said, "I'm
2:13:09going to get a a pill or whatever she's
2:13:11getting." She went over there, got some
2:13:13out of the cupboard, took it, took it,
2:13:14come back in, sat down, give her the
2:13:16food she didn't eat.
2:13:17>> Okay. And then what time do you and her
2:13:20fall asleep?
2:13:22God, I was thinking it was
2:13:2511 12:00 for at least
2:13:29I was thinking it was later. I think it
2:13:30was around 11 12:00.
2:13:32>> Okay. And describe that.
2:13:35>> Just right now.
2:13:38>> Where?
2:13:39>> Sorry.
2:13:39>> In the living room.
2:13:40>> Both of you?
2:13:41>> Yeah.
2:13:41>> Okay. Specifically, where? On the
2:13:43>> on the floor.
2:13:44>> Okay. Is that common?
2:13:45>> Yeah.
2:13:46>> Okay. How often do you sleep on the
2:13:48living room floor?
2:13:50I sleep about every day.
2:13:52>> Oh, really? Okay. Why is that?
2:13:54>> We always did in our old house, we
2:13:55always used to like throw the TV and
2:13:57watch TV and lay down on the floor and
2:13:58sle.
2:13:59>> Okay. And you slept there all night,
2:14:01each of you?
2:14:02>> Yeah.
2:14:03>> Okay. And then uh what time did you wake
2:14:05up?
2:14:05>> It was around 6:00.
2:14:07>> And what's what's a normal morning for
2:14:09you? What do you as great a detail as
2:14:12you can tell? What do you do when you
2:14:13wake up? When I get up, I'll get my
2:14:15clothes on. Usually brush my teeth, grab
2:14:18my watch, my phone. Um, get dressed and
2:14:21take my pill. I take my pill every
2:14:24morning and I head off and off.
2:14:27>> Okay. Now, that is in general, or that's
2:14:29what happened that Sunday morning?
2:14:31>> That should have been what happened that
2:14:32day, too? So, every morning,
2:14:34>> you know, and how long does that process
2:14:36take you?
2:14:38>> 10. All that morning I think I had to I
2:14:40went downstairs because
2:14:43I just put them transplants. We did up
2:14:46all the remember seeing the transplants
2:14:48downstairs or not. You guys weren't
2:14:50there.
2:14:50>> What's the transplant? Sorry.
2:14:52>> We started vegetables and you know
2:14:55we had some trays downstairs and I think
2:14:56the day before I just put the seeds in.
2:14:58I think I went down that morning I had
2:15:00to water before I left.
2:15:02>> So I would have ran downstairs put water
2:15:03in the transplants. I probably went
2:15:05downstairs twice carrying a can of water
2:15:08down, water to transplants, come up,
2:15:10grab my stuff, put my clothes on, and
2:15:12out I went.
2:15:13>> Okay. So, I want to start over really
2:15:16slow. So, you wake up, you're on the
2:15:17floor, and what's the first thing you
2:15:18do?
2:15:19>> I'll get up and walk over, take my pill,
2:15:23and start getting my clothes on because
2:15:24my uniforms are in the garage.
2:15:26>> Okay.
2:15:27>> So, I'll get up. I'll go over, get a
2:15:29glass of water. I try to do it every
2:15:31every morning. First thing I do is take
2:15:33pill or you forget. Get that out. Take
2:15:35my pill. Go in the garage. Pick the
2:15:37uniforms up off the floor cuz the ones I
2:15:39took off the night before on the floor.
2:15:40Pick them up. Carry them out the garage.
2:15:42Get my new uniforms out. Come in, put
2:15:45them on before I go in the bedroom,
2:15:46brush my teeth, go back out. And so I
2:15:49have to grab my phones and my watch.
2:15:51This is my routine I do every day.
2:15:53>> Okay.
2:15:53>> And then uh on the counter if I make I
2:15:56always make myself notes of what I need
2:15:57to do for the day. Um, I don't have my
2:16:01paper, but that day I'm sure I had to
2:16:03know where I was supposed to go spray
2:16:04and what I needed to do so that I didn't
2:16:06forget anything. I only been sitting
2:16:08right in that corner before we talked
2:16:09the phone. Um, I looked at that quick. I
2:16:12would have went out uh the back door,
2:16:14got in the Kabota or the gator. Um,
2:16:17usually I make a circle around the back
2:16:20of the farm. Then what I'm doing is I go
2:16:22out and I'm looking at the grass. If
2:16:23there's a lot of dew on the grass while
2:16:24I'm driving, I'll stick my hand out. My
2:16:25hands all wet. I know I got to put
2:16:27different stuff in the tank.
2:16:29If it's dry, I don't have to put so many
2:16:31different additives in. You know, just
2:16:34something I do. I'll drive around, get
2:16:36the sprayer started. I'll go back, I'll
2:16:37go get JCB out of the barn. Um, if I
2:16:41have a cooler for lunch, I'll run back
2:16:43in the house, grab it out of the the
2:16:44walk-in, take it with me. Um,
2:16:49then I'll go out, start loading up the
2:16:51sprayer. Do you typically shower in the
2:16:53morning?
2:16:54>> No.
2:16:54>> No. We shower in the evening and then
2:16:56presume
2:16:56>> usually night before I go to bed.
2:16:58>> Okay. So, um, I want to make sure I'm
2:17:00clear. You wake up, take a grab your
2:17:03clothes in the grab a glass of water,
2:17:04grab your clothes in the garage. Um,
2:17:07come into the bedroom, maybe the
2:17:08bathroom, and brush your teeth in or get
2:17:09dressed.
2:17:10>> I get dressed all over or out in the
2:17:12kitchen party.
2:17:13>> Okay. Get dressed and we're just in the
2:17:15house. I guess it's irrelevant. And then
2:17:16you grab your phone, your watch, and
2:17:18then do you eat any breakfast in the
2:17:20morning or you ready to leave?
2:17:20>> No, I'm ready to eat breakfast.
2:17:22>> Okay. So, spec specifically on that
2:17:24Sunday morning, uh, what what happens
2:17:26from then? You're dressed. You've taken.
2:17:28You have your phone or your watch. What
2:17:30do you do next?
2:17:34>> If I haven't brushed my teeth, I got my
2:17:35phone. I'll go out the door and I got to
2:17:38go check the dogs.
2:17:40>> Which which I know you got a bunch of
2:17:41doors back there. Which door is common
2:17:43for you?
2:17:44>> I go whichever one to me.
2:17:47>> Okay.
2:17:47>> So, sometimes I go out the back sliding
2:17:49door. Sometimes I go upsually I try to
2:17:51go up through the through the
2:17:53garage.
2:17:54>> Okay.
2:17:55>> Or the laundry room. I mean, it just
2:17:57wherever I park the commoder where, you
2:18:00know, if I've got to feed the dogs first
2:18:01thing, they'll go through the garage
2:18:02because I got to grab two dog two cans
2:18:04of dog food. Um or if I don't have any
2:18:07dog food, I got to go out to other shop
2:18:09to get it to take it. So, I mean, it's
2:18:11just
2:18:11>> Okay. And I apologize. So, you you leave
2:18:14out through whatever door and what's the
2:18:15first thing you do?
2:18:16>> First thing I'll do is I'll go right now
2:18:19let the dogs out, feed them, then I'll
2:18:21get into them that day after they catch
2:18:23over on me and see if there's any dew on
2:18:26went out, start the sprayer up, you
2:18:29know, check the oil stuff on it. Then
2:18:32hopefully I remember to take my list
2:18:34that was on the counter. If I don't, I
2:18:36go grab the list where I'm going to
2:18:38spray
2:18:39um to see what chemistry I put in where
2:18:41I got to go.
2:18:42>> Okay.
2:18:43>> So that day, you know, I had I had to
2:18:45finish the week on my list. I had
2:18:47>> And how many acres how many she sprayed?
2:18:50>> Uh I have to look at my book to sure,
2:18:52but I think it was only 10. It wasn't.
2:18:54It took me more time to get around, get
2:18:55down there than it did to the field.
2:18:57>> Okay. How long does 10 acres take you?
2:19:00>> 10 minutes.
2:19:02>> Okay.
2:19:02>> Something takes me longer to unfold
2:19:04there than
2:19:07I drive in. Then we come back. Seemed
2:19:10like I had a flush and rinse. So I got
2:19:11to go down the bottom three times with
2:19:13water. Pull out back. Unload, you know,
2:19:15spray it through the boom. Rinse the
2:19:16boom towel three times. I go back in
2:19:20look and see if I got to have any other
2:19:22chemistry. And that'll take the either
2:19:23the loader, the JCB or the comb, the
2:19:27front building where we keep the chem
2:19:28chemicals in the barn. I keep some back
2:19:31where I load, but all the small stuff
2:19:33that's in little jugs or little things
2:19:34we keep up by the office. So if somebody
2:19:36shows up to buy some, you know, we just
2:19:38the girls can go by the barn and just
2:19:40get a jug out. So I have to come out to
2:19:41the bar.
2:19:42>> Okay. So, I'll go up there and get what
2:19:43I need for all my jobs, put them in the
2:19:46back of the Kabota, drive back to the
2:19:47barn, or if it's more than within the
2:19:49Kabota, I'll take the JCB up there,
2:19:51forklift, and bring a whole pallet out.
2:19:53So, that morning, I think I made two or
2:19:55three trips with a Kabota, getting
2:19:56different jugs because different
2:19:59batches,
2:20:00>> it's all on my [ __ ] I write everything
2:20:02down on my sheets.
2:20:03>> Oh, okay. So my log sheets have to ask
2:20:06what time I went I mean go get my sheet
2:20:09and it tells what time I load in the
2:20:11barn what time I got to when I'm back
2:20:14because I'm loading the next one up and
2:20:15I write down the gels and everything
2:20:17tank in the barn and that's and then
2:20:20when I do in the sprayer I write down
2:20:23the sprayer when I leave the field I try
2:20:25to write down you know the acres I did
2:20:27whose name it is. So there's I'm trying
2:20:29to double up so I don't miss anything
2:20:31right. So then I've got those two.
2:20:34>> Okay. So you walk out of the house, you
2:20:36go to feed the dogs, and what's the next
2:20:38thing you do?
2:20:39>> I already got in the Kabota and drove
2:20:40her home out sprayer.
2:20:42>> And you had a talk city to me. When you
2:20:44say Kabota, what are you referring to?
2:20:45>> The four-wheel little uh what would you
2:20:49call it? A little ATV.
2:20:50>> Okay. With the
2:20:51>> like a side by side with a little cargo
2:20:53area.
2:20:54>> Yeah. Kabota.
2:20:55>> And where is that normally parked?
2:20:56>> It's usually parked out by the dogs or
2:20:58right behind the garage.
2:20:59>> Okay. depends on where it that night
2:21:03>> and you're getting that and where do you
2:21:04go from there?
2:21:05>> That morning I would have drove around
2:21:07because I was spraying wheat. I would
2:21:08have drove around the boundary of the
2:21:09farm and I stick my hand out and the
2:21:12grass is up. So I'll feel the grass to
2:21:14see if there's dew on it or what it is.
2:21:16>> Okay. And then what?
2:21:17>> Then I go to the sprayer and I start it
2:21:20and I'll check the oil and start it up.
2:21:21So it's warming up, building air.
2:21:23>> Okay.
2:21:23>> And that's when I'll look at my list of
2:21:25when I've got a load.
2:21:27>> Okay. And what happened from there?
2:21:30>> I lowered it up and went to spray that
2:21:34and I come back and I had to rinse out.
2:21:36I load it up again. Went up sprayed
2:21:39that.
2:21:40>> Okay.
2:21:40>> And then I loaded up enough to do I load
2:21:42up 100 acre batch so I had enough to do
2:21:44mine and then I went up and did
2:21:47I had a sprayer in Brooklyn.
2:21:49>> Okay.
2:21:50>> And um can you describe to us what you
2:21:52did with the JCB that morning?
2:21:54I would have pulled up that was uh I
2:21:57pulled it out of the barn. I pulled it
2:21:58out by the house.
2:22:01Oh, I think I was it was used just for
2:22:04trash that day. And I Well, now I had to
2:22:06put the forks on when I pulled out back
2:22:08and I had to move there was a pallet
2:22:09that I had to move ammonium sulfate into
2:22:11the barn. I think it was
2:22:12>> Okay.
2:22:13>> But usually I use the bucket I'm dumping
2:22:15two and a half gallon jugs. So all that
2:22:18trash goes in the bucket. I take it out
2:22:20to the burn pot.
2:22:21>> Okay. You said you pulled it up to the
2:22:22house. Did you describe that to us?
2:22:24>> I think I pulled up behind the house. I
2:22:26think I had to run in and grab my damn
2:22:27sheet, my load sheet. I don't remember
2:22:29for sure, but I got I know I took the
2:22:31Kabota around. It was out. Dry sprayer
2:22:33started. I come and got the the JCB, the
2:22:36loader, pulled around by the house, and
2:22:38I run in. I had to grab something out of
2:22:39the house and I run back out, got the
2:22:41loader, packed back up,
2:22:43>> went around, put the forks on it.
2:22:44>> And And what did you see in the house
2:22:46when you had run back in there?
2:22:48>> What did Jason do?
2:22:49>> Didn't see anything other than house.
2:22:51They were still sleeping. Okay. She's
2:22:53still asleep. And at this point, this
2:22:54seems like a silly question. Was anyone
2:22:55else on the property or in the house?
2:22:57>> Not that I'm aware of.
2:22:58>> Okay. And this is still probably about
2:23:01600 6:30.
2:23:02>> That was my next question. How long had
2:23:03it been?
2:23:04>> About 6:30 probably when I finally get
2:23:07to that point. I mean, maybe close 6:37.
2:23:10I mean, you got time running around
2:23:12moving. Had to start the sprayer up.
2:23:14Mhm.
2:23:15>> You know, when it's running and getting
2:23:17chemical out, then go grab the other
2:23:19loader, pull her out there, move a
2:23:20pallet with forks.
2:23:22>> Okay. Do you have that um I gave you?
2:23:25>> Yeah.
2:23:33>> This is mainly to help me just because I
2:23:34don't talk farm talk. When you say um
2:23:39you leave the house, you go and just
2:23:41show me. I think I know, but show me
2:23:43where the dogs are. Dogs are here.
2:23:45>> Okay. And then you you jump in Kabota.
2:23:47>> Kabota is usually sitting over here by
2:23:49the house.
2:23:50>> Okay.
2:23:50>> I jump in back there and pull around
2:23:52this way.
2:23:52>> I usually drive around through here and
2:23:54feel the grass come.
2:23:55>> That was going to ask you which field
2:23:56you're referring to.
2:23:57>> I usually come around through here to
2:23:58get through the grass for Okay.
2:23:59>> In the morning or come around through
2:24:00here, wherever. Just
2:24:02>> Okay.
2:24:03>> See how wet it is.
2:24:04>> Okay. And is that common for the farmers
2:24:06to check the grass each morning or
2:24:07that's just part of what you do? So you
2:24:08know what you got to do?
2:24:09>> That's for me. That's my routine.
2:24:11>> Ah, okay. Okay. And then where was the
2:24:14sprayer parked? Is that right?
2:24:15>> Sprayer being a load bar.
2:24:16>> Okay. And you start it and leave it
2:24:19there while you're loading everything
2:24:20else up. You said it builds up air. Is
2:24:21that so loopy? Wait a little air to
2:24:23spray literally.
2:24:24>> Well, suspension suspension goes up
2:24:25builds air.
2:24:26>> Uh once you start it. Okay. And where
2:24:28was the JCB part?
2:24:30>> JCB is inside the barn here.
2:24:31>> Okay. And you said you pulled up to the
2:24:33house. Can you show them what pull
2:24:34pulled out here and pulled around this
2:24:35way and pulled up over here went to grab
2:24:37what I need in the house. Come back out.
2:24:39Went back down through and out here. get
2:24:40stuff out of the barn to move it over
2:24:42here.
2:24:42>> Okay. Do you mind make some notes on
2:24:44here with you? Is that okay?
2:24:44>> Yeah, fine.
2:24:46>> Um, so she said this is the Kabota.
2:24:48>> Yep.
2:24:49>> Could you just draw an X for the Kabota
2:24:50bus?
2:24:51>> I think the Kabota's in here.
2:24:55>> You got a better pen there?
2:24:57>> Maybe it's blue.
2:24:58>> If you scribble that one, it might work.
2:25:04>> We're failing on all fronts here.
2:25:06>> Maybe it's the paper. That's the paper.
2:25:08It's the ink. I don't let it go.
2:25:10>> There we go. And then um where is the if
2:25:15you can mark the sprayer. Is it not on
2:25:16this paper? That
2:25:17>> mark the paper.
2:25:18>> Okay. Over here.
2:25:19>> And where is the JCB parked in?
2:25:21>> JCB's in here.
2:25:22>> And then could you just draw an X on
2:25:23there for me? I just want to make sure I
2:25:24understand. Different people call the
2:25:26buildings different things. So I
2:25:28>> barn.
2:25:29>> Okay. What do they call the dry barn?
2:25:31What is that?
2:25:31>> This is the dry fertilizer barn.
2:25:33>> Oh, okay. And there's a wet barn. Does
2:25:34that make sense to you?
2:25:36>> The load bar's over here. That's See,
2:25:37that's what I mean. Different people see
2:25:39because all the dy tanks are here.
2:25:41>> Okay. And then you pull out of the JCB
2:25:43and can you show me where you parked it
2:25:45behind the house?
2:25:46>> I would have pulled up here.
2:25:49>> Okay. Um, can you mark that for me?
2:25:51>> Yeah. I'll pull up probably about here.
2:25:54>> Okay. And then, uh, where do you go from
2:25:56there?
2:25:58>> Where do I go from here?
2:25:59>> Yeah.
2:25:59>> Then I'll come back around here to get
2:26:01stuff out of the barn. Take that stuff
2:26:04out.
2:26:05>> Okay.
2:26:07Um,
2:26:09and then what happens after that?
2:26:12>> What do you mean?
2:26:12>> You drive the JCB over there and you're
2:26:14hearing the JCB and then what happens?
2:26:16>> Spray spray.
2:26:18>> Okay. Um, and when you How many minutes
2:26:23you think from when you were in the
2:26:24house to when you got over here and left
2:26:27in the sprayer? How many minutes is that
2:26:28if you had to guess? Sunday morning
2:26:31>> before I left with the sprayer.
2:26:32>> Correct.
2:26:37Boy,
2:26:39>> if you look at my book, it'll tell me
2:26:41when I was loading, what time?
2:26:42>> If you had to guess, do you think it's
2:26:44is it is this an hour process?
2:26:46>> Half an hour, 45 minutes.
2:26:47>> Okay. And
2:26:48>> I don't I'm trying to remember if I had
2:26:50to rinse before I loaded the weed spray
2:26:53out or if I rinsed I don't remember
2:26:56without looking at book because you have
2:26:58copies of what I had in my book.
2:26:59>> Not with me. No, I don't believe so.
2:27:01>> See, cuz I keep that book in there on
2:27:04the shelf. So if I sprayed atrizine say
2:27:08with it yesterday, now I'm going out
2:27:09there and I got to spray weed. I'm going
2:27:11to look at that. Well, I had atrizine.
2:27:12Oh, I cannot spray weed with atrizine.
2:27:15>> Oh, I see.
2:27:15>> So now I'm going to have to rinse out.
2:27:16So now I got to rinse.
2:27:18>> Those are the papers that you gave me.
2:27:19>> Yeah, we were out there one day.
2:27:21>> Yeah. Then when we ran the Hummer,
2:27:24>> I was took the wood.
2:27:27>> So you guess what his nickname is now?
2:27:29>> Hummer.
2:27:31>> You still haven't got that fixed fix.
2:27:33>> Oh, really? conservator took it. They
2:27:35won't let me have to fix it.
2:27:38>> That's a whole another story. But
2:27:40>> I mean, without looking at the book, I
2:27:41can't tell you if I had to come out and
2:27:43rinse. If I had to rinse, it'd be an
2:27:44hour. If I didn't rinse out, I'm
2:27:46probably looking at half an hour, 45
2:27:47minutes. I might get all the chem cuz
2:27:50the sprayer's in here. JCB's here. I
2:27:53come up here, got some stuff out of the
2:27:54building up front here, took back,
2:27:58measured it out cuz it's in ounces, so
2:27:59it's a little bottle. So, you got to
2:28:01really measure it out, right? the
2:28:03sprayer and I would have pulled out. So,
2:28:06>> okay.
2:28:06>> So, I mean it should be on the camera
2:28:07too because the camera on the corner of
2:28:08the barn will show you pulling in the
2:28:10sprayer.
2:28:10>> Okay. And um specifically with the JCB
2:28:14um
2:28:16I think the smallest question I have to
2:28:17ask out there. So the the Justice for D
2:28:21crew um I should say that at the time I
2:28:24think the adult children perhaps Parker
2:28:26had seen the JCB tracks and that's why
2:28:27they had asked you why you pulled up to
2:28:28the house. Is that accurate?
2:28:30>> They didn't ask me. No.
2:28:33Did they ask me?
2:28:34>> Correct.
2:28:34>> They didn't ask me when I pulled the
2:28:36house.
2:28:37>> Okay.
2:28:38>> Okay. That was understanding because the
2:28:39JCP tracks were uh where the Hummer's
2:28:42parked.
2:28:43>> Is that news to you?
2:28:44>> News to me. The Hummer was parked out
2:28:46front.
2:28:48>> Yeah.
2:28:48>> Well, then I pulled the Hummer back
2:28:50around behind the house later that day
2:28:51and I pulled it up next to the grass
2:28:53where I always park it.
2:28:55>> Right. So the when they had seen the
2:28:57Hummer, you already moved it back to the
2:28:58house and the JCP tracks were underneath
2:29:00it.
2:29:01Oh, probably.
2:29:02>> Okay.
2:29:03>> Probably.
2:29:04>> And that's from when you pulled up to
2:29:05the house.
2:29:05>> Yeah.
2:29:06>> Okay. I pulled up in the JCB.
2:29:07>> Yeah, the JCB. I pulled up there. The
2:29:08home was out front. I never leave
2:29:10anything out front because I don't want
2:29:11somebody messing with the keys and
2:29:13everything.
2:29:13>> Yeah.
2:29:14>> So, I jumped in the Hummer, pulled it
2:29:15back around to the house, and I pulled
2:29:16it over next to the grass and park it
2:29:18>> in the normal spot essentially.
2:29:19>> Well, normal spots in the garage, but
2:29:22we'd been parking it outside because I
2:29:24think she had something else in the
2:29:25garage with her caddy or she parked in
2:29:27the middle with her caddy. So I just
2:29:29pull it over next to the grass so it's
2:29:30out of the way because the rest of the
2:29:32the area there is where the rest of us
2:29:34parked parked my pickups there. Whoever
2:29:37pulls in, that's where they park.
2:29:39>> Okay. So you can pull in pull down the
2:29:43JCB, pull back up to the house cuz you
2:29:45forgot your sheet or something and you
2:29:47get back in it and you go back to the
2:29:48barn and load up the sprayer. Right.
2:29:50>> And when you're in the house, she's
2:29:51sleeping. Mhm.
2:29:52>> Right. Okay. So how did the Hummer get
2:29:54from behind the house to the office?
2:29:56>> I don't know.
2:29:59You mean that morning?
2:30:00>> Yeah.
2:30:01>> I don't know. It was there when I came
2:30:02back. That's where Kell was seen up
2:30:04front.
2:30:05>> Okay. Where was it when you left?
2:30:07>> When I left, it was out by my house,
2:30:09>> I think. Was it out front? I don't
2:30:11remember. I don't remember.
2:30:13>> Okay.
2:30:13>> Seeing the Hummer. I mean, it's locked.
2:30:14I don't Okay.
2:30:16>> Remember, I do remember having it from
2:30:18the front of the office and parking it
2:30:19back behind the house cuz we never leave
2:30:21anything out by the room.
2:30:23>> Okay. So, it was So, it was behind the
2:30:25house when you left. I don't I don't
2:30:28remember. I don't I mean
2:30:30>> Okay.
2:30:31>> Well, I guess easier when you left to go
2:30:33to or whatever. Um was it parked in
2:30:36front of the
2:30:38>> I don't remember seeing it up there. I
2:30:40don't
2:30:41>> Okay.
2:30:41>> I mean, I don't remember sitting up
2:30:42there. It's one of those things. I
2:30:44didn't look that way. I mean, I could
2:30:45tell you where a piece of farm machinery
2:30:47is, but I can't tell you where the
2:30:48home's at. It's just not something that
2:30:51I'm paying attention to.
2:30:54>> Okay. So then you um get in a sprayer
2:30:56and you go and you spray. You said my
2:30:59name. I'm sorry. How many acres said 10?
2:31:01>> I think it was 10.
2:31:01>> 10 acres.
2:31:02>> I mean look at both.
2:31:04>> Okay. And you come back and then what
2:31:06happens?
2:31:08>> I think I had to flush out to go to the
2:31:10next spray shop. So then I would
2:31:12probably jumped in the Kabote again and
2:31:13pulled out front or if I had enough I
2:31:16don't remember if I had the chemistry in
2:31:17the barn or not.
2:31:18>> Okay.
2:31:19>> I would load it up. If I had to rinse
2:31:21out, I pull out back three times and
2:31:22rinsed out. Pull back in, loaded.
2:31:25What's the next job?
2:31:26>> And the next job, remind me. I'm sorry.
2:31:28You were going to was it towards
2:31:29Brooklyn?
2:31:31>> I'm sorry. Okay. Uh, and then where do
2:31:33you go from there?
2:31:34>> Then I went to Brooklyn.
2:31:36>> Okay. And then what happens then?
2:31:39>> That's when they asked me where do you
2:31:42live?
2:31:42>> Okay. And uh what do you do after that?
2:31:46>> I head back to the house.
2:31:49>> Okay. And uh who's there when you get
2:31:50home?
2:31:51>> Uh the kids were there.
2:31:54>> The kids meeting. I'm sorry.
2:32:03>> I think that was it.
2:32:08>> Okay. And um and you said they're in the
2:32:11office and what are they doing?
2:32:13>> They're going through the computers
2:32:16through security
2:32:17tapes or cameras. Okay.
2:32:19>> Which I was which I was dumbfounded that
2:32:21they even had the codes to get into it.
2:32:23>> Yeah,
2:32:23>> they did.
2:32:24>> And And when you access the cameras,
2:32:26what were you looking for?
2:32:28>> I never access them in the office. I
2:32:30didn't have the code to get into it.
2:32:31>> Yeah. When when you did access the
2:32:32cameras, what were you looking for? I
2:32:34know it's a silly question, but
2:32:35>> I was looking to see, you know, what was
2:32:37going on that morning or where
2:32:38everything I didn't look at anything
2:32:41other than there because they had me
2:32:43locked down. I couldn't get into it.
2:32:45>> Okay. Well, there's actually no doubt
2:32:46you access the cameras that morning. I'm
2:32:48just asking you what you were looking
2:32:49for. It's a silly I just again we're
2:32:51trying to remove the sheriff's
2:32:52department. So we just need you to
2:32:53explain everything as silly as it
2:32:55sounds, you know.
2:32:55>> No, I mean they were looking to see if
2:32:57what cars went by that would have picked
2:32:59you up.
2:32:59>> Okay. And that's what you did when you
2:33:01access them?
2:33:01>> I didn't access them.
2:33:03>> I already had them on the screen.
2:33:04>> Yeah. We promised to be honest with each
2:33:06other. There's
2:33:06>> I didn't look.
2:33:07>> There's just here. Just listen. There's
2:33:08absolutely no doubt you access the
2:33:10cameras. If you were just looking for
2:33:11your wife, then just say you're just
2:33:13looking for your wife. I don't
2:33:13understand. I was looking for my wife,
2:33:14but I didn't access the security cameras
2:33:17that morning.
2:33:18>> You you have access to them on your
2:33:20phone. Correct.
2:33:21>> Yes. If it'll work and it would not
2:33:23work.
2:33:24>> Okay. So, when you tried to access the
2:33:26cameras, what were you doing?
2:33:27>> I was looking to see who was in the
2:33:29office. If D was on the cameras.
2:33:31>> Okay. See, just looking for D. That's
2:33:33all I was trying to get to.
2:33:34>> Looking for D, you know, see where she's
2:33:36at. But I already figured she's house.
2:33:39>> Okay. And um that's specifically from
2:33:41your phone. That's what you're
2:33:42attempting to do, right? Right.
2:33:43>> Okay. And is that um I think it's called
2:33:46Milestone.
2:33:47>> Milestone. Is that an app you typically
2:33:49have problems with? I'm not familiar
2:33:51with it. Is it?
2:33:51>> Yeah, it's horrible.
2:33:52>> Okay. What What are you supposed to be
2:33:54able to do from the app?
2:33:55>> We're supposed to be able to see the
2:33:56cameras and see what's going on in all
2:33:58the cameras.
2:33:59>> Okay. And is how how often would you try
2:34:01to use it?
2:34:04>> I would try to look at it all on and
2:34:06off.
2:34:08>> Oh, every other day or once a week or
2:34:10something. I look at it. And what
2:34:11percentage of the time do you think it
2:34:12works?
2:34:14>> Maybe 5 10%.
2:34:16>> It's not a too too good of a track
2:34:18record.
2:34:18>> No. I mean, if you if you're if you're
2:34:20in the office and you want to look at
2:34:22the camera system when you're in the
2:34:23office, it'll work. If you're in the
2:34:25house, it'll work. If you're anywhere
2:34:26else, it don't work.
2:34:28>> Okay.
2:34:28>> Because you got to have internet access,
2:34:29I guess. But with your phone, you
2:34:31shouldn't have to. And it it don't work.
2:34:33>> And do you do you have any other issues
2:34:35with your phone or specifically with
2:34:36that app? Do you think it's the
2:34:37application itself?
2:34:41I don't know. Your phones always have a
2:34:43glitch in them. Like a lot of stuff
2:34:44don't work. But
2:34:46>> but by and large, it's this application
2:34:48that gives you issues.
2:34:49>> Okay. Um, do you pretty much carry your
2:34:52phone with you at all times?
2:34:54>> Most of the time.
2:34:55>> Okay. Specifically at Sunday, you had
2:34:57your phone with you all day.
2:34:59>> I'm pretty sure I had it with me all
2:35:01day.
2:35:01>> Okay.
2:35:02>> The only time you know is if you drop it
2:35:03somewhere or you're backtracking trying
2:35:05to find it.
2:35:06>> Yeah. You and me both. And um that
2:35:08Sunday, do you remember um about what
2:35:11time um all you to ask for D was?
2:35:17>> I was thinking it was around 9:00 or
2:35:199:30.
2:35:20>> Okay. And until that point, as far as
2:35:23you knew, she was at home,
2:35:25>> right? Okay.
2:35:26>> I think I texted her telling her that I
2:35:27was spraying so that she would know
2:35:29where I was at.
2:35:29>> Okay. But until then, things are normal.
2:35:31You don't know any different, right?
2:35:33Essentially. Okay. And then um
2:35:37um what were you doing? Um
2:35:41why did you access the Cadillac that
2:35:42morning? What did you go into the
2:35:43Cadillac for in the garage?
2:35:47Access the Cadillac for
2:35:56>> Cadillac.
2:36:03in Cadillac.
2:36:05>> Uh you you access the Cadillac. Do you
2:36:06have any idea why you would have done
2:36:08that?
2:36:09>> No, I didn't get in the Cadillac. What
2:36:12would I get in it for?
2:36:13>> I'm not sure.
2:36:14>> There's something I had to get out of
2:36:15the car.
2:36:16>> I'm I'm not
2:36:16>> sure. If I open the door and got it out,
2:36:18but I didn't I only got in it for
2:36:20anything. She's got the key. I don't
2:36:21even have the key.
2:36:22>> I'm not saying you drove it. I'm just
2:36:24saying you you access it for some
2:36:25reason. You don't recall why?
2:36:29>> I don't access it mean I got in it. You
2:36:31mean
2:36:32>> or did I look at it on my app on my
2:36:34phone?
2:36:34>> Uh it um you uh I'm not certain what you
2:36:37did physically with the vehicle, but you
2:36:39had access to the car.
2:36:40>> No, cuz I probably looked on my phone to
2:36:42see where it was at.
2:36:43>> Okay.
2:36:44>> That would be accessing it.
2:36:45>> Ah, okay. I'm not familiar with what you
2:36:46can do with that.
2:36:47>> Onstar. I mean, I hit the OnStar button
2:36:49on my phone that tells me where it's at.
2:36:50>> Okay.
2:36:51>> Tell us about that.
2:36:52>> Yeah, tell us about that. I'm not
2:36:53familiar with that.
2:36:54>> Just the OnStar. I mean, you got the
2:36:56OnStar app on your phone. You can start
2:36:57your car. You can lock it. You can do it
2:36:59with your your phone.
2:37:01>> Oh, okay. Um,
2:37:03>> I just look and hit the button and tell
2:37:04me where the car is at. It's in the
2:37:06garage.
2:37:07>> Okay. And for what purpose were you
2:37:09doing that that morning?
2:37:10>> Well, they told me mom's not there. I'm
2:37:11going to see if the car's there.
2:37:13>> Okay. So, you would have accessed that
2:37:15app and it tells you where the car is
2:37:16and that's why you would have done it to
2:37:17see where she was.
2:37:18>> Yeah. See if the car's If the car's
2:37:20almost she got to be home.
2:37:21>> Okay. And um what about when you tried
2:37:24to locate her iPhone for what purpose
2:37:27was that? see where she's at.
2:37:29>> Same thing. I
2:37:29>> think everybody was trying to find her
2:37:31iPhone.
2:37:31>> Ah, okay.
2:37:33>> Okay. And um it had been described to us
2:37:36that when things weren't comfortable
2:37:37with the TV, she didn't like you knowing
2:37:39where she was. Did she know you had
2:37:41access to those things at the time?
2:37:43>> Mhm. I think so.
2:37:44>> Was that ever a point of contention in
2:37:46recent times? We know overall there had
2:37:48been um disagreements about that. What
2:37:50about leading up to this incident?
2:37:51>> No,
2:37:53I don't really.
2:37:54>> Okay. I mean, she knew where I was at. I
2:37:56mean, she could access my phone.
2:37:58>> Okay.
2:38:00>> Safety. If I don't, she can't get a hold
2:38:02of me, she can find my phone to see
2:38:03where I'm at. If I'm hurt, you know, in
2:38:04the field. Same with her. Find her.
2:38:07>> Okay.
2:38:08Um, do you have any more questions about
2:38:10Sunday?
2:38:13>> Um,
2:38:15no. I don't think so. I think you
2:38:17covered it.
2:38:18>> Okay.
2:38:21>> Okay. All right. Dale, there's actually
2:38:23no doubt that he said absolutely no
2:38:25doubt. Okay. And for me personally, I
2:38:27think it's challenging because the
2:38:29justice for D crew,
2:38:33they all want everybody to believe that
2:38:34she killed her, right? And and I'm I
2:38:37don't think that's the case. I don't I
2:38:39don't know if she was too depressed to
2:38:42carry on. The scene was going to crush
2:38:43her. I don't know if she overdosed on
2:38:45pills. I don't know if she had a heart
2:38:46attack and died. I'm not sure. You're
2:38:48the only person that can fill that in.
2:38:50There's absolutely no doubt that she
2:38:51died that day at the farm. What happened
2:38:53that morning? Just hear me out. Just
2:38:54hear me out. Well, you know what? What
2:38:56happened that morning? You're the only
2:38:57person that can paint that picture. You
2:38:59know what I mean? And what I don't want
2:39:00to happen, I don't want people to think
2:39:02that you're this big monster. You're the
2:39:04only person that can fill in the story.
2:39:05And we're at a point where
2:39:08when we find the body, there's going to
2:39:10be no forensics there. We're not going
2:39:11to be able to tell what's in your
2:39:12system. We're not going to be able to
2:39:13look at her bone structure. We're not
2:39:15going to be able to determine a cause of
2:39:16death. You know what I mean? You're the
2:39:18only person that can fill that in. So, I
2:39:20think personally, no one cares my
2:39:22opinion, but I don't think you killed
2:39:24your wife, but there's no doubt that
2:39:25she's dead and you're the only person
2:39:27that can tell us what happened that
2:39:28morning. So, I can understand that if
2:39:30your wife was coming home on Saturday to
2:39:32tell you that things were over and
2:39:33everyone, you know, people knew she's
2:39:35coming over to tell you that and you
2:39:36wake up and she's dead. I can understand
2:39:38why that would be frightening. You might
2:39:39do something, right? But I don't think
2:39:41you killed her. But you are the only
2:39:42person that can tell us what happened on
2:39:44Sunday morning.
2:39:47>> I've told you everything happened on
2:39:48Sunday morning. That's not the truth.
2:39:50There's actually no doubt that she's
2:39:51dead. There's actually no doubt she died
2:39:53at the farm. There's no doubt.
2:39:54>> I won't believe that.
2:39:56>> There's actually no doubt. This is a
2:39:58situation where you can tell us what
2:40:00happened that morning. If you were
2:40:01scared and moved her somewhere, if if
2:40:03she overdosed, if she had a heart
2:40:04attack, you're the only person that can
2:40:05tell us that information. No one else
2:40:07can provide us that. And at this point,
2:40:09I think you're back to dual corner
2:40:11because you did something perhaps
2:40:12because you were scared, didn't want to
2:40:13do it at that time. But now you've got
2:40:15the conservators
2:40:17after you. Well, well, now revealing
2:40:19what really happened is going to make
2:40:20them go away. And once we show that she
2:40:23died of whatever, because I don't think
2:40:24it's murder. I really don't. Once you
2:40:26showed whatever, all that stuff stops,
2:40:30right? I don't think it's
2:40:32>> she shows up, the thing stops.
2:40:33>> That's not You and I both know it's not
2:40:34the truth. You and I both know it's not
2:40:36the truth. There's actually
2:40:37>> I'm not giving up on my wife, so what
2:40:39you want.
2:40:39>> Well, here's the kicker, Dale. The
2:40:41reason we're asking a lot of these
2:40:42questions about when you accessed what
2:40:44on your phone and and did things um and
2:40:47you're telling us it's looking for your
2:40:48wife, correct?
2:40:50>> Correct.
2:40:50>> Okay. You did all of those things before
2:40:54you even learned that she was missing.
2:40:57>> Before she's missing.
2:40:58>> Yes. That you learned she's missing. So
2:41:00all these things you're accessing on
2:41:02your phone to look for your wife.
2:41:04>> Mhm. occurred
2:41:06before.
2:41:08>> So if I look,
2:41:09>> you would have even learned that she
2:41:10>> So if I look at my phone to see if the
2:41:12car is still home and I'm in the
2:41:14sprayer.
2:41:15Whoopde-doo. I'm seeing if my wife is
2:41:17still home. Yeah. So
2:41:22if I look at the camera system to see if
2:41:23anybody's in the office and if it works
2:41:25that time. So
2:41:29>> why? Well, the timing tells us and like
2:41:31he said, I mean, he said to you
2:41:33initially, we're not going to lie to
2:41:35you. Okay,
2:41:36>> I'm being
2:41:38there's 100% we know without a doubt
2:41:40100% she died in that house. That she
2:41:42was dead in that house. What caused that
2:41:44death?
2:41:44>> I don't agree with that. So,
2:41:46>> well, it's
2:41:47>> Yeah, you promise not to lie to me. I'm
2:41:48not lying to you.
2:41:48>> I'm not lying to you.
2:41:49>> Okay. There's actually no doubt she was
2:41:51dead in that house. There is actually no
2:41:52doubt. No doubt whatsoever.
2:41:54>> I disagree that I'm I'm very sorry for
2:41:56being honest with me. There is no doubt
2:41:58that she was in that house. You're the
2:42:00only person I can tell us what happens
2:42:01that morning.
2:42:02>> I told you what happened that morning.
2:42:04>> You have not. I'm sorry. As I said, I
2:42:06don't know if she overdosed on pills, if
2:42:08she was depressed and killed herself on
2:42:10purpose, if it was an accident. I have
2:42:11no idea. Those are just my theories. I I
2:42:14can't say that happened because I wasn't
2:42:16there. I don't know what was going
2:42:17through her mind. I have no idea.
2:42:19There's absolutely no doubt that she was
2:42:20dead in that house that day that she
2:42:21died there. No doubt there. That's not
2:42:23up for question.
2:42:25>> Well, that's that's true. So, Say what
2:42:27you want. That sounds true.
2:42:32>> I'm not saying this is something you
2:42:34planned on. It wasn't. I think you woke
2:42:35up and discovered this. But I don't
2:42:36know. I wasn't there.
2:42:38>> And I've told you.
2:42:39>> The challenge the challenge we have now
2:42:41is the people with the loudest voice are
2:42:43going to be the ones that are heard. And
2:42:44I I don't want that.
2:42:46>> Right. I mean, ultimately, you have
2:42:49unfortunately what's left of your
2:42:50business and your daughter to look
2:42:51after. And they're not going to make
2:42:52that any easier on you. And I'm sorry
2:42:54that's happening. I don't have any
2:42:55control of them. I've been forced that
2:42:56with you. I wish that wasn't occurring,
2:42:58but as soon as we clear this up, all
2:42:59that stuff goes away.
2:43:04>> You can you can look at me, ask me over
2:43:05here. My wife did not die in the house
2:43:08that day. She's alive. Whatever. She's
2:43:09>> That's not the truth. There's absolutely
2:43:10no doubt. There's absolutely no doubt
2:43:12she died in the house that night
2:43:13>> until you're blew in the face.
2:43:14>> You want to share? We're obviously not
2:43:15sharing all the evidence we have
2:43:18>> with you at this time, but that we
2:43:20wouldn't make a bold statement like we
2:43:22know
2:43:23>> that she died in that house.
2:43:26She didn't die in the house and she's
2:43:27not dead. So I don't know what you're
2:43:29you keep harping up. But
2:43:31>> I'm not harping. I'm being completely
2:43:33honest with you.
2:43:33>> Well, I'm being completely honest, too.
2:43:35>> Do you have any
2:43:36do you have any reason to believe that I
2:43:38would lie? Why would I be
2:43:40>> sharing that at this point?
2:43:41>> I don't know why you would, but I told
2:43:43you the truth, so
2:43:45I'm sticking to my story cuz that's what
2:43:47happened.
2:43:48>> There's actually no doubt, Dale. There
2:43:49is no doubt.
2:43:51>> You had done something to hide the body
2:43:53because you're afraid it's going to
2:43:54happen. I can understand that. We can
2:43:55work with that. But the alternative is
2:43:57that she's dead and that you're the only
2:43:58person that's there. I don't think you
2:44:00killed your wife, but you were the only
2:44:01person that can tell me that story.
2:44:02>> You killed my wife cuz she's not dead.
2:44:08>> How do you guys How do you guys know
2:44:10she's dead?
2:44:11>> I'm I'm not going to discuss our
2:44:12evidence, sir.
2:44:13>> He He and I both know that that she's
2:44:15dead. I'm giving him an opportunity
2:44:17where we can we can essentially we can
2:44:19clear all this up today.
2:44:20>> But you can basically write the story
2:44:23how you want.
2:44:23>> Okay. I mean, it's I mean, seriously,
2:44:25>> you you were the only one there and she
2:44:27was there and she's not going to be
2:44:29telling her story.
2:44:29>> You could drive me to the body right now
2:44:31and wherever she is, I'm I'm not going
2:44:34to get an ounce of forensic evidence
2:44:35from her. I can't tell what she took. I
2:44:37can't tell if there's any bone. None of
2:44:39that evidence is there. You're the only
2:44:40person that can tell us what happened
2:44:42that morning.
2:44:43>> It's a lot different
2:44:45freaking out and disposing of a body
2:44:48than it is to murder somebody. It's two
2:44:51totally different things. Okay. If we
2:44:53continue down this road, if you keep
2:44:55continue doing this, it it's painting
2:44:57the picture that when we know what we
2:45:00know and of the evidence that we have,
2:45:03if if you're not understanding that
2:45:07letting telling us actually what
2:45:09happened, then the picture gets painted
2:45:12a lot worse, you know, because now it
2:45:14looks like you're intentionally
2:45:16being dishonest. And why would you
2:45:18intentionally be dishonest?
2:45:22because maybe something worse happened.
2:45:24And if that's the case, like that's
2:45:25fine. But we're we're telling you here
2:45:28that uh there's a simpler road to go.
2:45:34And if you listen, if you dispose of I
2:45:39could I couldn't imagine waking up and
2:45:41having my my wife deceased. I couldn't
2:45:44imagine that. Had everybody known that
2:45:47she was saying, "That's it. I'm getting
2:45:49divorced." all that stuff. No one's
2:45:51going to believe you. I We understand
2:45:52that. No one's going to believe that.
2:45:55Uh, you know, oh no, she just happened
2:45:58to die from an overdose or something
2:45:59like that. I probably freak out. Okay,
2:46:04that's
2:46:05what we believe happened. We've talked,
2:46:07we've been dealing with this case for a
2:46:09long time. That's what we believe
2:46:11happened. Only you can tell us what the
2:46:13truth is. Otherwise, this picture of you
2:46:16as the murderous monster that
2:46:18everybody's painting, you know, appears
2:46:21to be true. Do you understand what I'm
2:46:23saying?
2:46:24>> All we're looking for.
2:46:25>> I hear what you're saying, but I didn't
2:46:28do anything about my
2:46:28>> You You came in here today with with the
2:46:30same plan I did, and that was to clear
2:46:31this up.
2:46:32>> Yeah.
2:46:32>> Wait, we want to put an end to all of
2:46:34us.
2:46:34>> That's
2:46:34>> You want us to say that you didn't kill
2:46:36her,
2:46:37>> right?
2:46:37>> You didn't kill her, and I don't know
2:46:38where her body's at.
2:46:39>> You want us to say You want us to say
2:46:41you didn't kill her, right? No one cares
2:46:44about my opinion. They only care what I
2:46:45can prove.
2:46:46>> The only way to show that you didn't
2:46:48kill her is to show that she did die of
2:46:50natural causes or overdose or whatever
2:46:51happened that morning. You're the only
2:46:52person that can tell me. You're the only
2:46:53person that can tell me that. The only
2:46:55way I can say that is if you help us.
2:46:57You are the only way we're going to put
2:46:58this to rest.
2:46:59>> And that's why I was here. I'm here
2:47:01today.
2:47:02>> Then then all I'm asking for is your
2:47:03cooperation.
2:47:04>> I told you because
2:47:05>> clearing it up today is going to get rid
2:47:07of all the other nonsense and all the
2:47:08other noise. They're making you out to
2:47:10be this monster that I don't think you
2:47:12are. But at the end of the day, you
2:47:13still have a daughter to look out for
2:47:14and you still have what's really what's
2:47:16left of your business, which is which is
2:47:18sad that you
2:47:20I couldn't agree with you more.
2:47:22>> But this is how we put it all to end.
2:47:25>> This is it. This is your chance to
2:47:28explain whatever you did out of whatever
2:47:30it was fear, if it was concern, whatever
2:47:32whatever it was that Sunday morning.
2:47:33>> What do I do, Larry? I told him
2:47:35everything I know. So
2:47:36>> that's not the truth. This This is his
2:47:38chance to paint what the picture what
2:47:39happened Sunday morning.
2:47:41>> Says he didn't do it.
2:47:42>> You You're not being I know you didn't
2:47:44kill her.
2:47:44>> I didn't kill her. I didn't do anything
2:47:46to her, guys. I didn't
2:47:47>> I'm not saying I didn't do anything. So,
2:47:49>> well, D, that's not the truth.
2:47:51>> It is the truth.
2:47:52>> There's absolutely no doubt that you did
2:47:53something with her that morning.
2:47:55Absolutely no doubt.
2:47:56>> Alternative, is it?
2:47:57>> Absolutely no doubt.
2:47:58>> You're the only person that can paint
2:48:00the picture of what happened that
2:48:01morning. No one else holds that picture.
2:48:03>> The alternative is that is that the
2:48:04world and everyone else thinks it cuz no
2:48:05one cares what I think.
2:48:07I don't care what the world thinks
2:48:08because deep inside I know the truth.
2:48:10>> And if you want to listen to the truth,
2:48:12that's fine. If you don't, that's fine,
2:48:13too. But I have done nothing to
2:48:16>> You are the only person that knows 100%
2:48:17of the truth.
2:48:18>> We're only 80% of the way there, and
2:48:20you're the only person that gave us the
2:48:21other 20%.
2:48:24You're the only one that can provide
2:48:25that to us.
2:48:25>> You're looking in the wrong place.
2:48:28>> I'm not saying you did anything wrong,
2:48:29Bill. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm
2:48:30saying the opposite.
2:48:31>> No, you're trying to say that I did
2:48:33something to my wife and I did not. I I
2:48:35think he woke up and whatever was done
2:48:36was gone.
2:48:37>> No,
2:48:38>> that's what I think. But you're the only
2:48:39person that can bribe us for that.
2:48:40>> No, I did not.
2:48:41>> Do you think she overdosed
2:48:43intentionally? Was it an overdose?
2:48:45>> Do you think it was done on accident?
2:48:47>> She's not dead.
2:48:50>> She's not dead. She's sitting back
2:48:52somewhere watching us and laughing at
2:48:54me.
2:48:54>> That's not the truth, Dale. You're being
2:48:56dishonest.
2:48:56>> I'm not being dishonest.
2:48:57>> There's absolutely no doubt that she's
2:48:58dead. You and I both know that. No,
2:49:02>> I won't accept that. But she's dead.
2:49:07She's
2:49:08>> Dale, this is your opportunity to tell
2:49:10us what happened on Sunday when when you
2:49:12call us in 6 weeks or two whatever two
2:49:15month 3 4 months on the road. This is
2:49:17your time to set the record straight.
2:49:18>> Guys, I told you. I guess Larry's we're
2:49:21done. I guess what else to say?
2:49:22>> Must be. I mean, there's nothing else to
2:49:24say, guys. She's not dead. You're
2:49:27looking at the wrong place and you're
2:49:28looking at the wrong guy.
2:49:30The guy you need looking at is down the
2:49:32road. her brother
2:49:34Dave.
2:49:36>> That's not the truth.
2:49:37>> No one wishes death.
2:49:38>> That's not the truth.
2:49:42>> I really wish you would help me clear
2:49:43this up daily.
2:49:44>> I really wish you guys would start
2:49:46looking for such training points to
2:49:48figure me cuz I didn't.
2:49:49>> I'm not saying anything wrong. I'm
2:49:51saying the opposite.
2:49:51>> I heard you saying I did something with
2:49:53my wife. I'm saying I'm saying it's not
2:49:55it's not right to dispose of something
2:49:58that had already murder. But it's not
2:50:00murder.
2:50:00>> It's definitely not murder.
2:50:04I guess we're done, Larry.
2:50:06>> Okay,
2:50:08>> okay,
2:50:12>> all right, guys. Any anything else? And
2:50:15if
2:50:16>> he's done, he's done.
2:50:17>> Yeah.
2:50:24>> You guys have a good Christmas. Thank
2:50:26you. You, too.
2:50:32D. Warner disappeared in Lenoi County
2:50:34between the evening of April 24th and
2:50:37the morning of April 25th, 2021 after
2:50:40prosecutors said she planned to talk
2:50:42with Dale Warner about divorce and
2:50:43selling the family businesses.
2:50:46Investigators spent years reviewing
2:50:47property searches, phone and vehicle
2:50:50data, surveillance, financial records,
2:50:53and body camera contacts. Michigan State
2:50:56Police arrested Dale in November of 2023
2:50:59before D had been found. In August of
2:51:022024, her remains were discovered inside
2:51:04a sealed fertilizer tank on Warner
2:51:06property. She was identified through
2:51:09dental records and her death was ruled a
2:51:11homicide. At trial, prosecutors said D
2:51:14had been found in pajamas wrapped in a
2:51:16tarp with duct tape over her face and
2:51:18neck. They argued the medical evidence
2:51:20showed strangulation and blunt force
2:51:23trauma and that the tank had been
2:51:24rewelded to hide her body. The defense
2:51:27said the case relied on assumptions and
2:51:29lacked direct proof that Dale killed D.
2:51:32But the jury found him guilty of
2:51:34secondderee murder and tampering with
2:51:36evidence. In May of 2026, Dale Warner
2:51:39received 31 to 60 years for murder plus
2:51:4217 months to 10 years for tampering
2:51:44served consecutively. The sentence could
2:51:47not undo De's death, but it ended the
2:51:49case with accountability.
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