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0:00Hi
0:01there.
0:02Are you Nicole?
0:07Agent Greg Zeller with Colorado Bureau
0:08of Investigation.
0:10I just talked to you on the phone a few
0:11minutes ago.
0:13We go down to the little conference room
0:14on the end here and
0:16talk. I'd appreciate that.
0:28How do you like the weather?
0:30It's raining like crazy.
0:58All right.
1:14It is N I C H O L.
1:18It's spelled K O L E.
1:21And I'm sorry, what did you say your
1:22last name was again?
1:23Do you want my married one that happened
1:25a month ago or cuz it hasn't changed yet
1:27or the one that's on my driver's
1:28license?
1:29What's on your driver's license?
1:30Right now Youtoft, but
1:32Youtoft, but that should change tomorrow
1:35hopefully.
1:35Okay. Do you have Atkinson?
1:37Yeah, A T K I N S O N.
1:39Okay.
1:43And that 970 number, that's what I
1:45called you on. It's that's the number
1:47for you. Okay.
1:48And what's your home address?
1:50229
1:52Forest Avenue.
1:54Forest?
1:55Firestone.
2:04805-20
2:07And what's your date of birth?
2:086-4-81
2:12Okay.
2:14All right, so I understand that you are
2:16pretty good friends with his Is it
2:18Shannan or Shanan?
2:19It's Shannan and you pronounce it like
2:21Shannon again. So everybody calls her
2:23everything else but that, but it's
2:24Shannan. Took me like 2 years to get it
2:26down.
2:26Okay, I've heard Shannon, I've heard
2:27this, that and the other. So Shannan,
2:29okay.
2:30So I understand you and Shannan are
2:31pretty friends. Is that
2:33I mean, yeah.
2:33Correct.
2:34out a lot. We have kids the same age.
2:36Okay.
2:36I met her because her mom started
2:38working for me when I was running
2:40a whole bunch of salons and decided to
2:42change professions and now I'm here, but
2:44Okay.
2:44that's not important.
2:45All right. So how long have you known
2:46How long have you known Shannan?
2:47Um 3 to 4 years I would say.
2:50It was when Bella was little and then
2:52she was pregnant with CC and CC just
2:54turned 3.
2:55Okay.
2:56So So Bella is the older one, right?
2:59Yeah, Bella's 4.
3:00Bella's 4.
3:01And then is it Celeste? Okay.
3:03and she goes by CC, yeah.
3:05Or they call her CC.
3:07She's 3.
3:08Yeah, she just turned 3 in July.
3:10Okay.
3:12Okay.
3:13And okay, let's go. You guys have kids
3:16that are close in age.
3:17Yeah, my youngest is Madison. She's 2
3:20and will be 3 in October. So they
3:22We go to their house or they always ask,
3:24"When's Madison?" So you know, if I go
3:25by myself they're there, so
3:28So since you've known Shannan for about
3:303 to 4 years, um when did you meet
3:32Chris?
3:33Um the same time I met Shannan. I
3:35actually got invited by her mom, Sandy,
3:37over for a for CC's first birthday
3:39party.
3:40Okay.
3:40Um I mean, I like talked to her in
3:42passing, but to actually like say I got
3:44to know her and stuff like that. I met
3:46her before, but not like where we
3:48developed a friendship, so
3:50Um CC's first birthday party around
3:52then. I went over and I met the whole
3:54family and spent some time with them.
3:55So, ever since then, because we have the
3:57same kids in age, we
3:59that and she got me doing Thrive with
4:02her, so.
4:02Okay. What is Thrive? I've heard about
4:04that.
4:05So, it's
4:06it's these patches that we wear and it's
4:08um,
4:09a nutritional supplement.
4:11Okay.
4:11So, it's not just patches, but that's
4:14the gist of it.
4:15Okay.
4:15Unless you want more information.
4:17I just heard of it, I didn't know what
4:19it was.
4:20Yeah, it's a nutritional supplement. It
4:21just time releases vitamins and minerals
4:23into your body all day long, so it gives
4:25you like mental clarity and
4:26Okay.
4:26um, energy.
4:28All right.
4:29You actually stop craving stuff that you
4:31normally would want, like ice cream. I
4:32don't crave ice cream anymore. I drink
4:34you soda, I don't drink coffee.
4:35No.
4:36All right.
4:36Yeah.
4:38Okay.
4:39Um,
4:40so,
4:41were you were you and
4:43Arizona.
4:44Shanna, Shannan.
4:45Shannan.
4:47Um, so now you got me wanting to say
4:48Shannan again.
4:49Right.
4:50Um,
4:51so were you guys together within the
4:52Thrive?
4:53Mhm.
4:54Part of this is is that like a
4:56uh,
4:56It's a home-based business. It's kind of
4:58like Mary Kay or it's a direct sales
4:59thing. So, she actually, when I went to
5:02Cece's birthday party 2 years ago, gave
5:03me a sample and then
5:05I went over to her house and we had play
5:07dates and whatnot for a year. We'd go to
5:09lunch or here or there like girlfriends
5:11do and then a year ago I finally decided
5:14to try it after the sample she gave me
5:16sitting there and I was like, okay, I
5:17can text her and I was like, I'm going
5:19to try it and she said, okay. And then
5:20like by day two I went over and signed
5:22up to be a promoter cuz I
5:24I actually felt what it was doing for
5:25me. So, I was like, I like she's like,
5:27you can just be a customer and I'm like,
5:29no, I'm going to talk about it. I want
5:30to make money out of it, so.
5:32Okay.
5:32Yeah.
5:32So, you guys wrapped up wrapped up in
5:34the Thrive thing together?
5:35Yes. We left together we flew out
5:37together and we flew back together.
5:38Okay. So, you guys was there a like a
5:40Thrive convention this last weekend?
5:42a training in Arizona that some of the
5:45top leaders of the company were putting
5:47on.
5:47Okay.
5:48Where was it in Arizona?
5:49Scottsdale.
5:50At the Embassy Suites.
5:52Okay.
6:00And so you guys went there When did you
6:03guys go?
6:03Um we I left here at 4:00 on Thur- Well,
6:07Friday morning.
6:08So, that was Thursday night. Friday
6:10morning, and I drove from here to her
6:11house and picked her up, and then we
6:13drove to the airport.
6:14Okay. Do you remember what time you
6:15picked
6:16It was around 4:30.
6:17In the morning?
6:18Mhm.
6:18Okay.
6:19Do you guys have a really early flight,
6:20I assume?
6:21Yeah, we flew out at
6:227:00.
6:23Do you know
6:24I can pull it up. It was Southwest.
6:26Southwest?
6:26Yeah, I'm sure you have the boarding
6:27passes anyway.
6:29They're on my phone.
6:32And you flew from here to you
6:33Scottsdale?
6:34To Phoenix.
6:34Phoenix, okay.
6:35It's about 20
6:36Sky Harbor, sorry.
6:37Yeah.
6:42Okay, so you picked her up on That was
6:45Thursday you said? So, what day was
6:46Thursday? The 9th, is that right?
6:49Well, it was Friday morning, so it would
6:50have been the 10th.
6:52Oh, I got you. Okay, August 10th
6:55at 4:30 a.m.
6:57Mhm.
6:58Okay.
6:59And you Your flight was at what time?
7:017:10 you said, something like that?
7:02We flew at 7:00.
7:037:00, okay.
7:04We got to the airport like right around
7:065:00.
7:07Sure.
7:07Yeah.
7:10So, you picked her up from her house.
7:11Mhm.
7:12Is that the one on um
7:152825
7:16Yeah, what's her address? 2825
7:182825
7:21It just takes me a couple seconds.
7:22Saratoga
7:23Oh, here you go.
7:24I was like
7:24Saratoga Trail, is that right?
7:25Yeah.
7:31Okay.
7:33And did you go inside?
7:35Nope. Cuz the kids were sleeping. She
7:36said, "Just text me when you get here."
7:38She was actually waiting on the front
7:39porch.
7:39Oh, she was. Okay.
7:41So, you didn't see any of the
7:42you didn't see Chris.
7:43No.
7:44Um she was just on the front porch with
7:46a a bag suitcase?
7:48She had a carry-on suitcase and a purse.
7:50Okay. You remember what color her
7:51carry-on was?
7:52It's black. It's It's in the house
7:55sitting right by the stairs.
7:56Is that Okay. I've been in there.
7:58So, carry-on
8:00It was sitting there. Yeah.
8:01Okay.
8:02Like your regular carry-on?
8:04Yeah, I think it's like a
8:05I don't know. It was black and had some
8:07patent leather on it.
8:08Okay.
8:08It was sitting in the I Well, cuz I've
8:11been in the house the last few days. It
8:12was sitting right by the stairs
8:14Okay.
8:14when we went in yesterday.
8:20Okay. So, you
8:22pick her up 4:30
8:24at her house. She's got the carry-on and
8:25her purse.
8:26Mhm.
8:27What kind of purse did she have?
8:28It was a Dolce and Gabbana like beige
8:30colored. It's in the house, too.
8:32Beige
8:34I found it in her office when we went
8:36through the house.
8:37So, it's in the office?
8:39Yeah, it was in her office. Like right
8:41inside the door. I don't know how I
8:42walked past it as many times as I did
8:44cuz I was
8:45When we went in, I was I was concerned
8:47about Shanann
8:48Mhm.
8:48cuz I don't know. I can let you ask your
8:50questions and tell the story as you ask
8:51them or I can just tell you. I don't
8:52know.
8:53Well, kind of just kind of metal through
8:55this. So, just keep going ahead. I'll
8:56I'll interrupt you if I have a question.
8:58So, I was concerned because normally
9:00when we come back from these
9:02she harasses me and I don't want to say
9:04harass me, but she harasses me the next
9:06day. Like, "Come on, let's call people.
9:07Let's get things going. Let's work
9:09business."
9:10And
9:12she didn't call or she didn't text that
9:13morning. Like, usually I have a text
9:14message between 6:30 and 7:30 from her
9:16if she wants to do business or wants to
9:18get together or whatever and I had
9:19signed up a new promoter over the
9:21weekend. So, we had plans to go to lunch
9:22with her at 1:30.
9:24And um
9:26I woke up at like 7:45 that morning and
9:29I didn't hear anything from her. I
9:30thought it was odd, but I know we were
9:31both tired. So, I rolled over and went
9:33back to sleep and then I woke up and I
9:36still hadn't heard anything from her, so
9:37I texted her.
9:39Um like I said, I can show you the text.
9:41Yeah.
9:43Um
9:46I just have to skim through them.
9:49She's usually on the top.
9:54Um
9:55I texted her on
9:57yesterday morning
9:59at
10:018:43 a.m. asking her, "How are you?"
10:048:43?
10:05Yeah.
10:11And then I texted again at 8:55 and
10:14said, "Just wanted to see if you were
10:15okay.
10:17I know you were hurting a lot last
10:18night. I hope you're okay." She's 15
10:21weeks pregnant and
10:23she was having a lot of migraines over
10:24the weekend.
10:26And she um
10:28was real She was tired. She wasn't
10:29eating cuz of what was what like we were
10:31pushing food on her and water cuz she
10:33was dehydrated and not eating like she
10:35normally does and I presume it had to do
10:37with what was going on with Chris.
10:39So
10:40um
10:40All right. Hey, let me
10:42let me catch up with you real quick.
10:43Yeah, you're fine.
10:43Okay.
10:46Okay, so migraines.
10:48I'll make few notes so I can come back.
10:49Yeah.
11:00Sorry, I've got only part of the story,
11:01so I may not be able
11:02Yeah, no, you're fine. I can go back to
11:04your questions if you want. I can jump
11:05back.
11:05Okay, let me let me let me go back to
11:08the beige purse.
11:10Okay.
11:11So that that was the beige beige purse
11:13that she took with her on the trip and
11:15it was in the office
11:16Yes.
11:16where you found it.
11:17Yes.
11:18Is that an unusual place for that to be?
11:20I mean, no. I mean, I don't like I don't
11:22pay attention to where she puts her
11:23purse or whatever, so no, I don't think
11:25so, but I
11:27usually she has it on the counter when
11:30I'm there cuz we're getting ready to
11:31leave, so I don't know.
11:33So, did you move it at all, or did you
11:34leave it where it was?
11:35Um I told them I found it, and then they
11:39asked me to get it, the police officer
11:40did, and Chris, I went and grabbed it,
11:42and I gave it to Chris. I didn't go
11:43through it. I gave it to him, and then
11:44he went through it.
11:46Okay, let's go um
11:50So, I'll let you
11:52I'll let you tell me
11:53your story.
11:54Okay.
11:55And then we'll go back through and I'll
11:56ask you questions after that. Okay.
11:57So,
11:58So, let's start with
11:59you go to the conference and
12:01We came home.
12:02Came home.
12:03We came home.
12:04What time What time did you come home?
12:05Let's start there.
12:05Um so, our flight was delayed. We were
12:07supposed to fly out at 8:45, I believe.
12:10I'd have to look at the boarding pass
12:11and get here at um 11:25.
12:15And our flight got delayed, and we
12:16didn't actually take off and want to say
12:18it was 10:20 is when we boarded the
12:20plane, and we didn't get here until
12:2212:45 in the morning.
12:2412:45, okay.
12:28And then
12:29I dropped her off between I thought it
12:32was around 1:45, cuz I got home a little
12:34after
12:352:00,
12:37but the neighbor's
12:39security system has me dropping her off
12:40at 1:48.
12:45Okay.
12:48And then I went home, and I didn't talk
12:49to her again that night.
12:50Okay. And what time did you get home?
12:52Um I got home a little after 2:00. Like
12:54it was like 2:01 or 2:03.
12:56Okay.
12:57It wasn't like we live really close
12:58together.
12:59How How far do you live away?
13:01Um
13:03from her house to my house, I would say
13:05like 5 or 6 miles.
13:06Okay.
13:07It's on the other side of I-25, so.
13:09Okay.
13:10It wasn't far, so.
13:11Okay. All right. Okay. Okay, so go
13:13ahead. I'm sorry.
13:15So, then that morning I woke up and I
13:17texted her,
13:18Mhm.
13:18and I like I said, I asked her how she
13:21if she was okay,
13:22and then I said I and then at 8:55 I
13:24texted and said, "Just wanted to see if
13:25you're okay. I know you were hurting a
13:27lot last night. I hope you're okay
13:29because she was in a lot of pain on the
13:31plane. She last year in August, she had
13:33a neck surgery and had to have a
13:35degenerative disc fixed.
13:39So, her neck was really body bothering
13:41her because we sat in the airport extra
13:43long. She was sitting for extra long and
13:45she just she was in a lot of pain.
13:47Um I don't know if it was that and then
13:49she had a headache on top of it and so
13:51um
13:52so that's why I texted her that morning
13:53cuz like I said, it's not normal for her
13:55not to text me in the morning usually.
13:57Does she have medication that she
13:58generally takes for the uh
13:59Yeah, she had I don't know what it is,
14:02but she did have migraine medicine with
14:03her and then she also had um anti-nausea
14:05medicine with her that she was taking
14:07over the weekend.
14:08Okay.
14:09And I believe
14:09Migraines give her make her sick?
14:12Yeah.
14:12Like nauseated?
14:13Yeah.
14:13Okay.
14:14Well, that and she's pregnant, too. So,
14:15I don't know if she's taking the
14:16anti-nausea for the migraine or if she's
14:18pregnant.
14:18right.
14:20So, yeah.
14:22So, then I didn't hear anything and I
14:25knew she had a doctor's appointment at
14:269:00 a.m. That was the other thing. On
14:27the way home,
14:28she was saying that in the car, she said
14:31um it's going to really suck to get up
14:33in 3 hours. And I was like, "That's only
14:345:30. Why are you getting up in 3
14:36hours?"
14:37And she's like, "Cuz Cece will be up,
14:39the baby." She's like, "She's still on
14:40North Carolina time cuz they had just
14:42the week prior come back from being in
14:44North Carolina for 6 weeks."
14:45Okay.
14:47Um
14:48Who all was in North Carolina?
14:49Cece, Bella, and Shannon all went out.
14:53Um
14:54I could look on the calendar and tell
14:55you the dates.
14:56Um
14:57at the end of June.
14:59And then Chris went out the last week
15:00and then flew back with them. They were
15:02there
15:05Um
15:13Let's see. We came back
15:15from San Diego on the 25th. So, she flew
15:18out on the 26th
15:20of June and then they came back
15:23and then Chris flew out flew out there
15:24on the 31st
15:27of
15:28and then they all flew back on the 7th
15:30of August.
15:32Okay.
15:34Um
15:36So
15:37the doctor's appointment was at
15:40prenatal
15:40Yeah, it was a prenatal appointment.
15:42Okay.
15:43And um
15:45so I asked her I texted her and said how
15:46her appointment went asked her how it
15:48went.
15:529:00 again?
15:59I texted her and again at 9:21 and said
16:01let me know how your appointment goes.
16:03And then at 11:46 cuz I thought she
16:06might be busy out running errands or
16:08whatever and then it wasn't like her but
16:10Is it unusual for her not to return
16:12texts?
16:12Yes, very unusual because of her
16:14business that's how she like
16:16communicates with everybody. She's
16:18constantly on Facebook and that was the
16:20other thing she didn't post on social
16:21media that morning.
16:22And if you go back and look at her
16:23Facebook she has posts anywhere from
16:255:30 to 7:00 in the morning every single
16:28morning. Every morning it's very
16:30unlikely.
16:31And she didn't on the
16:3312th.
16:34Correct.
16:35Then that's unusual.
16:36Yes, so when I looked on Facebook cuz I
16:38hadn't been on Facebook either I was
16:40um
16:42I was actually in I drove to Longmont
16:45around 10:00 to go look at a house for
16:47the other gal that was with us in
16:49Arizona. Her name is Cassie.
16:51Um
16:52I went to they're supposed to be moving
16:53out here so I went to go look at a house
16:56for them and after I did that I was like
16:58I haven't heard from Shannan have you?
17:00And she was like no I haven't either.
17:01She's not returning my phone calls or
17:02texts like we both have called and
17:03texted her.
17:05Um so at 11:46 I said I'm very worried
17:08about you I'm coming to your house. And
17:11the reason I decided to go to her house
17:13was because I had watched the dog the
17:15dog Dieter
17:17the week before
17:18and I didn't bother Chris cuz I knew he
17:20figured he was at work, but I figured
17:21like, "Well, maybe after he left for
17:22work she passed out or something. She's
17:24pregnant. She wasn't feeling well.
17:26Something." So, I was like, "I'll just
17:27go to the house and see if she's there."
17:28And if like if her car's there, but she
17:31doesn't answer, then I'll use their code
17:33to go in.
17:34So,
17:35um
17:37I had my son with me, my 16-year-old and
17:38my 2-year-old, and we go to their house,
17:41and I knocked on the door, and I rang
17:42the doorbell, and her shoes that she had
17:44on the night before were right inside
17:45the door.
17:46Um and those shoes she wears everywhere.
17:49It doesn't matter if there's like unless
17:51it snows 3 ft, she won't put on tennis
17:53shoes, but they're flip-flops. She wears
17:55them everywhere. So, I was like, "Well,
17:56that's odd if she's not here."
17:58Um and she buys the same damn flip-flops
18:01every year cuz she likes them that much.
18:03Like
18:03Do you know what kind of brand name they
18:05are?
18:05Um I don't. I have a picture of them.
18:07Can you send me some of this stuff?
18:09Yeah.
18:10Can you If you have a picture of the of
18:11the flip-flops, that'd be great. And can
18:13you Do you know how to uh
18:16Yeah. Screenshots. Can you send me
18:18My text?
18:18this text that also that'd be perfect.
18:21If you could send them to that phone
18:22number I called you on, that'd be great.
18:27Um what color are these flip-flops?
18:28They're black.
18:32Are they like regular between the toe
18:34flip-flops?
18:34Yeah.
18:35Okay.
18:38And those were inside the door, and you
18:40could see them.
18:41Yeah, I could see them cuz they're the
18:42way their door is it's a door and then
18:43there's two glass panels on each side.
18:45Okay.
18:46So, I knocked, I rang the doorbell,
18:48And she always wears those.
18:50All the time.
18:50Nothing else.
18:51I mean, she wears other shoes like if
18:52she goes out on a date or something to
18:54wear other shoes, but she's always in
18:55those flip-flops.
18:56Okay.
18:57Like we went to Arizona, and that's the
18:59only shoes she brought with her.
19:01Um
19:03and then
19:08Uh so, she didn't answer. I knocked. She
19:11I rang the doorbell, she didn't answer,
19:12and then I tried the code. I didn't even
19:16think to look for the car yet, but I
19:17tried the code, and then when I went to
19:19open the door,
19:20they have one of those locks like you
19:22have in a hotel room up top.
19:24Oh, yeah. The
19:24So, that was
19:25thing that flip over.
19:26That was flipped. So, I couldn't get in,
19:28but I mean you could stick your arm in,
19:29but you couldn't get in.
19:30Right.
19:31So, you have the code for the door.
19:33I do have the code for the door, but I
19:35couldn't Yeah, I couldn't drink.
19:36Okay.
19:37So, then I was like, "Why would they
19:38flip this lock?" The only time I know of
19:40them flipping that lock is when CeCe,
19:42their 3-year-old, tries to escape.
19:44Or I mean, I don't know if they flip it
19:46at night cuz I'm never there when they
19:47go to bed, but the only time I've seen
19:48them use it is when they're on the
19:49inside of the house
19:50Mhm.
19:51um to keep CeCe from going outside cuz
19:53she'll She's at that age where she can
19:55open the door and she escapes. So,
19:57um So, the lock was flipped, and I was
20:00like I yelled through the door, nobody
20:01answered me, um and then I told
20:05Nicholas, my son, I was like, "Cuz the
20:06garage panels where you can see in, it
20:08was too high for me." I'm like, "Can you
20:10see her car's in the garage?" And he
20:12couldn't, so then I backed my car up and
20:14pulled it up closer to the garage, and
20:15he stood on my hood to look and see, and
20:17her car was in the garage, and I'm like,
20:19"Why would like in the back door was
20:21They have a uh sliding glass door to the
20:23You can see from the front door, and
20:24they have one of those things that comes
20:25down."
20:26That was locked, too. Yeah.
20:28That was locked, too. And I'm like, "And
20:30the dog was put up."
20:31And
20:32I don't know if they cage him all the
20:34time, but as far as I know, they only do
20:36it when they leave the house, so I don't
20:39know.
20:40Um and then
20:42I don't remember at what point I I mean,
20:44I could look at my phone, but I did call
20:46Chris and said I was like, "Chris, I'm
20:48worried about Shannan.
20:49She's not at home. Or I mean, I said her
20:52car's here, but she's not at home,
20:55and um
20:58do you know where she's at? Like, it's
20:59not I like I haven't heard from her this
21:01morning."
21:02He then told me that she did not
21:05take the girls to daycare, and they were
21:06going on a playdate. And then I turned
21:08around and I was like, "Well, if they
21:09went on a playdate, why doesn't she have
21:10her car?"
21:11And then he proceeded to tell me, he's
21:13like, "I don't know what Shannan's told
21:15you or hasn't told you, or if you know
21:18any of this, but um he's like, "And I'm
21:20not trying to bring you into our
21:21personal stuff, but me and Shannan are
21:22separating, and we're going to sell the
21:24house." And at which point I said,
21:25"Chris, your personal stuff is none of
21:27my business. That's not my concern right
21:29now. Either your wife and you will work
21:30things out, or you won't. But where is
21:32your wife?"
21:34Because she doesn't like she goes
21:36everywhere in that car. It's she paid
21:39for by the company, like
21:41It was just odd to me that the car was
21:43there.
21:44Does she have any other mode of
21:45transportation?
21:46No, that's her only vehicle. The only
21:48other vehicle they have is his work
21:49truck, and he's not allowed to drive
21:51anybody in it but him.
21:53Okay.
21:54Like he will drive home from work, drop
21:56off the truck, and pick up the other car
21:57to go get the kids from school if he has
21:59to.
21:59Okay.
22:00What time did you call Chris?
22:02Um
22:10I'm sorry.
22:15What was the timing?
22:23Um I called him at 12:27.
22:30And I called him twice. He didn't
22:31answer, and then I called again.
22:36Okay.
22:37And that I mean we had that conversation
22:39when he said that they were going on a
22:40playdate.
22:40a playdate, and I was like,
22:42Then I was like, "Okay, but like if
22:44they're on a playdate, how'd she get
22:46them there?" Cuz they're both in car
22:47seats.
22:48Right.
22:48He's like, "Well, a friend must have
22:49picked them up or something." He's like,
22:50"I don't know." He's like, "I'm busy,
22:51and I'm at work." He's like, "And
22:53because I was messing with the door, I
22:56set off the alarm system, so they called
22:58him at work." And he's like, "Are you
22:59messing with the door?" I said, "Yeah, I
23:01tried to get in your house cuz I'm
23:02worried about your wife."
23:04And he was like, she's He's like, she's
23:05on a playdate and he goes, "Well, I'm at
23:07work." He's like, "I'll try and contact
23:08her." And he hung up.
23:11So, then I went and locked the front
23:12door and my son was messing with the
23:14garage door and I told him to stop it
23:16and he set the alarm off again and then
23:17Chris called again and said, "Are you
23:19still at my house?" And I told him no
23:20cuz we were leaving, but
23:22um
23:23we left because I'm like, okay, well,
23:25let's go see if she went to her doctor's
23:26appointment cuz I'm trying to like like
23:28maybe I don't know, maybe she had gone
23:30on a playdate, who knows.
23:32Um so, I drove to the doctor's office
23:34cuz I doctor there too and I know
23:36they're not supposed to give out
23:37personal And they didn't give out
23:38personal information. Like I I'm seeing
23:40it I know the whole HIPAA laws and all
23:41of that. I just walked up to him and I
23:43said, "I know you're not supposed to
23:43tell me this. I get it. I don't need
23:46other information. I just need to know
23:47if Shannan walked showed up for her
23:48doctor's appointment."
23:50And the lady looked at me and I was
23:52like, "Please, I just need to know if I
23:55need to be concerned and if she didn't
23:57show up for that appointment, I know I
23:59need to be concerned."
24:01And she told me she didn't show up for
24:02the appointment.
24:03Okay. What time were you at the doctor's
24:05office? Do you remember?
24:06Well, if I called
24:08Chris at
24:1211:00 or 12:27, it's probably like 15
24:15minutes from their house. I can give you
24:17the address of the doctor's office.
24:18Yeah, if you you know it?
24:19It's 6 Yeah, cuz I go there all the
24:21time. It's 651 Mitchell Way.
24:28And it's in Murray, Colorado.
24:36Do you think you were there
24:381:00-ish maybe?
24:39Um let's see, Cassie called me at when I
24:43was leaving there and I was heading
24:45back.
24:50At
24:5112:40.
24:57So, yeah, I would say around 12:30,
24:5812:40.
24:59Okay. 12:40.
25:00Cuz I got two phone calls from our
25:02friends cuz they both wanted to know
25:03what was going on.
25:04Okay.
25:05So, you you think it's about 15 minutes
25:06between their house and the doctor's
25:08office? So, we call it 12:45.
25:13Would that be accurate, you think?
25:14Possibly, yeah.
25:15I'll call it about 12:40 to 12:45.
25:17Okay.
25:18Does that sound
25:19Okay.
25:20accurate to you?
25:21Yeah, cuz well, I left the house I when
25:23I called Chris is when I left the house
25:24shortly thereafter and that was at
25:2512:27, so.
25:26Okay.
25:28I don't want to put words in your mouth.
25:29No, I know.
25:31So, then after I left the doctor's
25:32office, I was like, "Okay, something
25:33seriously wrong." So, cuz I've been in
25:36contact with Cassie and Christina all
25:37morning cuz these are people that we
25:38normally talk to her every day.
25:41Um
25:42I called them. I'm like, "What do I do?
25:44Chris said she's with a friend." And
25:45they were both like, "Go back to the
25:46house and call the cops." So, then I
25:48did. I drove back to the house and I
25:50called Chris again. I said, "I'm going
25:51back to Well, I texted Shannan
25:53again.
25:56I'm Don't mean to jump around.
25:58That's okay.
25:59I'm with you.
26:02There's just I don't I don't get it.
26:16Sunday, Monday
26:21I texted her This is when I left the
26:23doctor's office at 12:47. I texted her.
26:25I said, "I've been to your house. You
26:27won't open the door. Your alarm's set.
26:29Your shoes are sitting inside. Your
26:31car's home. I'm very concerned about you
26:33right now. I need you to text me or call
26:35me. I just want to know you're okay. If
26:37you don't want to talk to nobody,
26:39you don't want to be around anybody, I
26:41get it. It's fine. I just need to know
26:43you're okay."
26:44And she didn't respond. So, I was
26:46driving back to her house at that point.
26:48Okay.
26:50Um and then Cassie had called Chris and
26:53told Chris that he needed to go to his
26:54house.
26:55And who's Cassie?
26:56She's one of the other Thrive promoters,
26:58but we're all friends. She was in
26:59Arizona with us.
27:00Okay.
27:01She lives in Arizona.
27:02Oh, she does. Okay.
27:02Yeah.
27:03And who is Christina?
27:05Christina's also another friend, but she
27:07lived with Chris She lived with Chris
27:09and Shannan for 6 weeks when she had her
27:11neck surgery. She lives in Hawaii and
27:12she flew out here with her daughter and
27:14lived with Shannan for the 6 weeks when
27:15she had her neck surgery.
27:16Okay. But neither of them were actually
27:17here.
27:18No.
27:18Okay.
27:19That's why they were on the phone with
27:20me because I called one of them and was
27:21like, "Did Did Have you either one of
27:23you heard from Shannan?" because I
27:25hadn't heard from her either. So, I
27:26started reaching out to people like,
27:27"Okay, somebody's heard from her, at
27:28least then I don't have to worry."
27:29Right.
27:30Okay. So, you text
27:33her at 12:47 and and you're going to her
27:35house.
27:36Right.
27:36What happens now?
27:37So, then I'm talking to
27:41Within all of this time frame, I'm
27:42talking I talked to Chris I think I
27:44called Chris again.
27:47I talked to Cassie and she said that she
27:49had talked to Chris and he was supposed
27:50to be at his house in there in 30
27:51minutes and I was like, "I'm on my way
27:53back." So, I called
27:55uh Chris
28:01at
28:0412:41.
28:0812:49 you said?
28:0912:41.
28:1012:41.
28:13I called him at 12:41.
28:15Okay.
28:16Did you talk to him at that point?
28:17I can't remember if I talked to him or
28:19he didn't answer.
28:20Okay.
28:20I don't remember cuz I called him again
28:22at 1:31 cuz at by this time I'd already
28:24been back to the house.
28:25Okay.
28:26And Cassie had said that he was coming
28:27back and he'd be there in 30 minutes.
28:31So,
28:33that was in the time frame that I was
28:34driving back to the house. So, I I don't
28:36remember if
28:38I don't remember if I talked to him to
28:39be honest with you at the 12:41.
28:41Okay.
28:41But I did talk to him at 1:31 because he
28:44wasn't home yet and he should have been
28:46there if it was only going to take him
28:4730 minutes.
28:48Right.
28:48So, and by that time I called the
28:54Um I called the Frederick Police
28:56Department at 1:31 cuz I called Chris at
28:591:00 or 1:31 I called Chris and said,
29:03"Chris, where are you? You said you were
29:04going to be here in 30 minutes." He's
29:05like, "I'm on my way. I'm on now 70. I'm
29:0745 minutes out." I said, "Well, I'm
29:08calling the police
29:10to do a welfare mom's check."
29:12And I honestly couldn't tell you at that
29:14point what he said or didn't say.
29:15Okay.
29:16The phone call was
29:18I don't know if I'll tell you details.
29:33I had an incoming call at 12:41 and it
29:36lasted for 42 seconds. I think that was
29:38him calling me to ask me if I was still
29:40at the house messing with the door.
29:42At 12:41?
29:43Yeah.
29:43Okay.
29:45And then at
29:481:31
29:50I called him and that's when I told him
29:52that like you're not here.
29:54And then he still wasn't at the house.
29:57By 1:52 I called again
30:00and was like, "Where are you?" But I had
30:02already called the police then and they
30:03were on their
30:03What What time did you call the police?
30:0512:00 or 1:33.
30:07Did you call 911 or the regular line?
30:09I called them on emergency line cuz I
30:11didn't know whether they would consider
30:12that an emergency or not. So, I looked
30:14up the non-emergency line and called it.
30:19Okay.
30:20And then um
30:21So, then 1:52 you said you got another
30:23phone call or you called him or
30:24I called him again and I was like,
30:26"Where are you?" Cuz the police were
30:26there and they wanted to know how far
30:28out he was cuz we couldn't get in the
30:29house. The police couldn't even get in
30:30the house.
30:30Yeah.
30:31He's like, "Well, I don't want to
30:35break down the door if she's not in
30:36there." didn't. So, he was checking
30:37windows and stuff and trying to figure
30:39out how he could get in.
30:41And then he said I he was like 10 or 15
30:43minutes out or whatnot. I don't like I
30:45really don't remember.
30:47Okay.
30:48It was a very short conversation. I
30:49don't know how long it lasted.
30:54Um it was I was on the phone with him
30:55for 17 seconds, so if that tells you.
30:57Sure. That's short.
30:58Yeah.
31:00Um
31:01So then Chris gets there
31:03and
31:04the police officer was like, "Do you
31:06know where your wife is?" And he was
31:07like, "No." He's like, "Well, can you
31:08open your door so we can go inside?" And
31:10oh, he wasn't there yet. And then I
31:11called his mom her mom because I thought
31:13because her mom had lived there, too. So
31:14I called
31:16Cassie cuz Cassie stayed with her and
31:17then her mom stayed with her. So I was
31:19trying to get anybody to give us a code
31:20cuz of the garage cuz that was the only
31:21way to get in. So I let Chris go and
31:23then I called her mom and her mom didn't
31:25know what was going on. And I was like,
31:26"Sandy, do you have a code to Shannon
31:28Chris's
31:29garage door?" And she was like
31:31she started giving me numbers, but none
31:32of them worked. And then I of course had
31:34to tell her what was going on and I
31:36didn't call her before that cuz I didn't
31:37want to upset her if there was nothing
31:38to upset her about.
31:41Um
31:42so, and then Chris showed up and let us
31:44in.
31:45Okay. How did he let you in?
31:47He opened the garage door.
31:48Okay. So
31:50And it didn't dawn on
31:51I'm sorry. There's There's a front door
31:53and then a a back sliding glass door.
31:55Yeah.
31:55And then is there a door through the
31:57garage as well?
31:58Yeah.
31:58Okay.
31:59Sorry, go ahead.
32:00No, you're okay.
32:01It didn't dawn on me at the time because
32:04he went to open the front door so he
32:07could come inside, but when we walked
32:09into the garage or when the garage door
32:10opened, he immediately opened the car
32:12door
32:13and then bolted for the house. Like the
32:15more like I've been trying to play this
32:17through my head so many times in the
32:19last 2 days.
32:21Okay, let me see if I've got this
32:22straight. So he opens the garage door
32:25and it's you and Chris
32:28the police officer
32:29officer
32:31my 2-year-old I think was playing in the
32:33front seat of the car still at that
32:34point. And the neighbor might have been
32:36there by that point. The neighbor came
32:37over at some point.
32:39the garage door goes up.
32:40Uh-huh.
32:40And is Chris in first?
32:42Yeah.
32:43Who's behind him?
32:44Um I think it was the police officer and
32:46then me and my son.
32:47Okay, so as Chris walks by, what what
32:50car is in the garage?
32:51It's a white Lexus.
32:52Okay, is it one of the SUV type uh
32:55It yeah.
32:56vehicles I don't know.
32:57Like a Ford Explorer type version. Yeah.
32:59And that So, he walks along the
33:01passenger side. I'm sorry, he starts on
33:03the driver's side.
33:04passenger's side.
33:04Passenger's side.
33:05And he opens the door.
33:06And it didn't
33:07Front front door?
33:08Front front passenger door.
33:10Front passenger door.
33:11And I don't know why that's sticking out
33:12of my head, but it like distracted all
33:14of us because I started looking at the
33:16car and then I looked to see if the
33:17girls' car seats were in there and
33:18whatever. And then he went and opened
33:20the front door and it like I didn't even
33:23dawn to go on the front door. We all
33:24went through the garage, but he went
33:25around and opened the front door, did
33:27whatever he did.
33:30And I'm not trying to incriminate the
33:32man. I just I don't know why I'm
33:33bringing it
33:33That's unusual.
33:34And it doesn't explain things.
33:36Okay.
33:37So, let's see. So, in the garage
33:43opens front front passenger door.
33:46Mhm.
33:53You think that was an effort to delay?
33:55I don't know. I'm just And it could just
33:56be me like my mind, do you know what I
33:58mean? Like I'm just trying to like
34:00replay the events of what happened.
34:02It just was odd to me. Like if we're
34:03looking for them in the house, why did
34:05you open the car door?
34:06Yeah.
34:08It was odd.
34:09unusual.
34:10Okay, so I assume that that delay wasn't
34:13very long.
34:14No, it was probably like 30 seconds, 45
34:16seconds. I don't even know. It wasn't
34:18that long, but we went in the house, but
34:19I know I was like cuz I looked in the
34:21car seats were in there. I'm like if
34:23she's with friends, why are the car
34:24seats here?
34:24Mhm.
34:25Like how many friends do you know carry
34:26around extra car seats?
34:27Yeah, none.
34:28So, yeah. So, that's where like at the
34:30more I thought about it since yesterday,
34:32I'm like, "Why did he open the car
34:33door?" Like that's something you do
34:35after the fact, I think. Like I'd go
34:36inside and see if somebody was in there
34:38or if they were okay.
34:41So.
34:42So then you go you're inside.
34:44We're inside.
34:44Okay.
34:45You can go ahead and
34:46And everybody kind of split. The police
34:48officer and him like everybody kind of
34:50split cuz we were looking for CeCe and
34:51Bella and Shannan. Like everybody just
34:53kind of split up cuz at this point I
34:54don't I don't know what you guys are
34:56considering this or not considering
34:57this, but at this point we all split up
34:59and we're just looking in to see if we
35:00can find them.
35:01Um downstairs, upstairs, everywhere.
35:03Every room, everywhere. We're just
35:05looking and they're nowhere in the
35:06house. They're nowhere. Like
35:09Okay.
35:09Nowhere.
35:10Can you describe the house inside the
35:12house for me? I mean is it in shambles?
35:14Is it messy? Is it neat?
35:15clean. It's neat.
35:16It's always that way?
35:17For the most part. I mean the girls
35:19might have a couple toys out here or
35:20there, but no, it was really clean. Like
35:22in Shannan's like if you I'm sure you're
35:24going to go in her house at some point.
35:26She's very OCD. Everything's labeled. It
35:28has its spot.
35:29Okay.
35:30It doesn't move from that spot. If it
35:31does, it gets put back in that spot.
35:33Like yeah.
35:34Okay.
35:35Do you notice anything unusual? Um
35:38Does it smell weird? Um
35:40No, it just
35:42I mean I could say it felt weird, but
35:43weird?
35:44It felt weird.
35:44What's Talk about feeling weird.
35:47I don't know. By that point it felt like
35:48it had an eerie feeling to it. I just my
35:50mind wasn't in a good place.
35:51Okay.
35:53Cuz
35:54it didn't She never leaves that car.
35:57Like that car goes everywhere with her.
35:59I mean unless she's out of town and
36:01Chris needs the car cuz he has the
36:02girls, they always have that. She's
36:04always in that car.
36:06So.
36:07I don't know. It was just weird to me
36:08that the car was there. Her shoes were
36:10by the front door.
36:11Okay.
36:12So.
36:12So would it be fair to say
36:14that
36:16for her to leave the house without her
36:18shoes and that car
36:21It's out of character.
36:22It's very unusual for her.
36:23Yes. And it got worse as we went on. So
36:27we all split up and we're looking for
36:28things.
36:30And then I'm not sure how we all ended
36:32upstairs, but we all ended upstairs at
36:34one point and
36:37Shannan makes her daughters beds every
36:38day. Like I've been upstairs with her
36:40they have a playroom upstairs. I've seen
36:42their rooms. Those beds were not made.
36:44Beds were not made.
36:45The beds the little girls beds were not
36:46made. Shannan's and Chris's bed was
36:48stripped.
36:50Okay.
36:51All of the bedding was and I don't know
36:53if all of the bedding but the bedding
36:54was all over in the corners of the room.
36:59I didn't touch it. I didn't go through
37:00it. I don't know like if she's were
37:01missing or anything like that, but all
37:03of the bedding was stripped off the bed
37:04which I thought was weird.
37:20And then the police officer had asked if
37:22she had her phone on her and we didn't
37:24know at that point. And then like 5
37:26minutes later my son was like rummaging
37:28through the pillows on the sofa and he
37:30found her phone shoved down in the
37:31cushions on the sofa.
37:35Okay.
37:38All right. Let me let me back up to the
37:40bed real quick.
37:40Okay.
37:41Okay. So the So
37:43just I'm clear so the girls beds were
37:45not made and that's unusual.
37:46Yes.
37:47Okay. And then the bedding for their bed
37:50which I would I would say was in the
37:51master bedroom.
37:52Yeah. You can see it from the stairs.
37:54Okay. And it was all stripped off and
37:56then like piled in the corner or
37:58Yeah, there was a pile over in like if
38:00you were facing the room this way and
38:02the beds right here there was piles in
38:04the corner both of these corners.
38:05Okay. So it's in two corners.
38:12Okay. So there was just a bare mattress
38:14that you saw?
38:14Yeah, there was a mattress cover on it
38:16but like I don't know I don't know if it
38:17was a mattress pad or just a mattress
38:19cover but there weren't any sheets or
38:20blankets or pillows on it.
38:21Okay.
38:23They were all on the floor.
38:25Which I thought was odd because
38:29Shannan usually doesn't start a project
38:30unless she's going to finish her project
38:32because of her OCD-ness.
38:34If that makes sense.
38:35Yeah.
38:36But Chris does all the laundry, too. So,
38:39if Chris left for work, why was the bed
38:40stripped?
38:44Right.
38:44And he says he does takes care of all
38:46the laundry, does all the laundry. So,
38:48that was the other thing.
38:49And that They're silly little things,
38:50but like why did he Why Why would he
38:52strip the bed before he went to work if
38:54Shannan was still there sleeping in it?
38:57Okay.
38:58You said the pillows were on the ground,
38:59too?
39:00Yes.
39:03Did you happen to notice if the covers
39:05were on the pillows?
39:06I didn't.
39:07Okay.
39:10What color sheets were on the bed or
39:11were laying in the pile?
39:13Um they were white.
39:22Um
39:23any blankets or anything like that you
39:24noticed?
39:25Yeah, there was blankets. I I couldn't
39:26tell if the Like I said, there was There
39:28was They have like a down comforter or a
39:29duvet.
39:31Okay.
39:31That was on the floor. I don't know if
39:33it had an actual cover on them or not or
39:35if it was there.
39:36Like I said, I didn't touch I tried to
39:39touch as little as possible.
39:42Okay.
39:52Cuz well, at that point bad thoughts
39:54were going through my head.
40:03Okay, so after you leave the master
40:05Anything else in the master bedroom that
40:06you noticed?
40:06We weren't in the master bedroom. I just
40:07saw that from the Like I peeked in the
40:09door and saw it. I didn't actually go in
40:10yet. So, then I turned around and the
40:13police officer had asked if she had her
40:15phone. And then Chris comes out of the
40:17master bedroom and says she left her
40:19wedding ring on the nightstand.
40:21I didn't see it on the nightstand, but
40:23he brought it out and had it in his
40:24hand.
40:38Did she have it with her in Arizona?
40:40Mhm.
40:41It was on her hand.
40:44She wore her I mean I don't I don't
40:45think I've The only time I've ever seen
40:46her take it off was when she had her
40:47neck surgery.
40:50Cuz she can't have jewelry on when you
40:51have surgery.
40:56All right. Tell me more about the phone.
40:58So my son, like I said, he was rummaging
41:00through the pillows cuz we were trying
41:01to see if her phone was there cuz if it
41:03was, you know, it's usually where people
41:05normally put phones or whatever by the
41:06bed or whatever.
41:08I don't know why he chose to look in the
41:09sofa, but he did. He's like 16 years
41:11old. He's I don't know. So
41:13Where where is the sofa?
41:14It's right outside. They have like a So
41:16you have um Chris's and Shannan's room
41:19are right here. Then there's a playroom
41:21over here and a
41:23bathroom, and then there's a laundry
41:24room right outside their bedroom.
41:26And then there's like a family room, and
41:27then across the hall is the girls'
41:29rooms. Like not a hall, but like the
41:31corridor or whatever you want to call
41:32it, the family room. The girls' rooms
41:34are right across there.
41:36Um
41:37And is this a two-story home? Okay.
41:39It's well three. It's got a basement,
41:40too.
41:41Okay.
41:42Um so my son found the phone, and it was
41:44stuffed down in the
41:45Yeah, I'm sorry. Where is the couch
41:46again?
41:47Like
41:47So it's in the family room?
41:48Yeah, it's right outside their bedroom.
41:49Like maybe 5 10 ft from the bedroom.
41:52Okay.
41:54Like 10 ft, I guess, cuz it's like you
41:56have to walk around the corner and over
41:57to it.
42:01Okay, he he just starts taking off the
42:04um
42:05cushions?
42:05Yeah. He was just cuz there's one of
42:07those couches that has the base
42:08cushions, and then it's got a whole
42:09bunch of like throw pillows on it.
42:11So he picked up her phone and it wasn't
42:13on.
42:15Okay.
42:18And then I at that point, cuz I called
42:21her mom and I called Cassie. We were all
42:22on the phone together and they were on
42:23speaker.
42:24So, they heard everything that was going
42:25on and everything that was being said.
42:27And the police
42:28As as you're walking through the house?
42:29Yeah, cuz her mom was saying like, "Look
42:31here. Like, see if this is here." And
42:32I'm like, "Sandy, calm down. Let's first
42:34see if she's in the house."
42:36So, um
42:37we found her phone and Chris turned it
42:40on. The police officer asked him to turn
42:42it on. So, they turned it on and then it
42:44needed a code. I didn't know the code,
42:46but Cassie knew the code. It was the
42:48baby's um due date.
42:50Okay.
42:51So, we put that in and then the last
42:53text and call that she had made was to
42:56Chris.
42:57Cuz they I don't know. They popped on
42:59it. He started doing stuff to it, Chris
43:01did.
43:02Shannan's phone is an iPhone. I can't
43:03run iPhones. Like, I just Yeah.
43:05Did Did you happen to see what time that
43:06last text was?
43:08I don't. I didn't I mean, then I don't
43:10know if it was a text it was just like
43:11on the call log or whatever. I'm pretty
43:13sure it said I don't know even if it
43:15said Chris. I just know it started to
43:16see it could have said Cassie. Whoever
43:18texted her last, I don't know.
43:22Um
43:24So, then
43:27I walked away from the phone. I went
43:29downstairs because Sandy was like,
43:30"Nikki, go look and see if the girls'
43:32meds are there." Because Cece, the
43:343-year-old, well, Bella, too, but not as
43:35bad as Cece.
43:37They both have asthma.
43:38But, Cece's allergic really allergic
43:40like EpiPen anaphylactic shock allergic
43:43to tree nuts. So, Shannan always carries
43:46those stuff on her like their inhalers,
43:48their EpiPens, and stuff like that.
43:50So, her mom said, "Go see if you can
43:52find the girls' medicine."
43:54So, I went downstairs and I looked in
43:56the cupboard where I knew the medicine
43:57was
43:58and I didn't see it and I didn't even
43:59notice it till like a couple times
44:01passing or whatever. The thing that she
44:03carries them in it was on the counter,
44:05but it was under the cupboard and it was
44:06like back in the corner and I just like
44:08I don't know.
44:09Franticness wasn't paying attention, but
44:11it was there. So, she did not have the
44:13girls' meds with her.
44:15And then, because we found the phone,
44:17she was like, "Is her purse there?" And
44:18I'm like, "I don't see it anywhere." So,
44:19then I started rummaging through the
44:21house trying to find her purse and I
44:22didn't find it, didn't find it.
44:25Um and I'm like, "No, her purse isn't
44:26here." I was like, "So, maybe she did go
44:28somewhere with the girls." Like thinking
44:29that she did. And then
44:32um
44:33it was odd to me because there was two
44:35there's a pair of Cece shoes right there
44:37set outside their shoe closet.
44:39And then there was a pair of shoes right
44:41by the back door. I think they were
44:43Bella's. And then for whatever reason,
44:45there was two pairs of shoes of the
44:46girls' shoes out on the back porch
44:50on a chair.
44:51And I mean, Shannan
44:54the girls have a blanket out and she's a
44:56dirty and picks up after them. I mean,
44:58they very rarely have stuff scattered
45:00everywhere.
45:02Uh so, I found that to be odd, but I'm
45:03like, "Oh, maybe
45:05Cece wouldn't pick what shoe she was on
45:06and she was in a hurry cuz she needed to
45:08get up and go. I don't know."
45:10So, those were out and then
45:12we went over to the neighbor's house
45:15because he said
45:18the cop had asked questions. I couldn't
45:19tell you like at that point I wasn't
45:21really paying attention. I was trying to
45:22like look for things that her mom was
45:24asking me to look for.
45:26Um she asked me to check the knives. I'm
45:28like, "No, all the knives are here on
45:30the counter like the butcher block or
45:31whatever."
45:33Um she asked me to go down in the
45:35basement and look just to make sure. I
45:37went downstairs.
45:38Um stuff like I mean, she was like
45:40telling me cuz she lived there. She's
45:42like, "Did you check her shoe closet?"
45:43She has this amazing shoe closet in her
45:45office that her dad built her. Sorry.
45:48Um but I was like, "I Sandy, like
45:51they're not here. I don't know what to
45:52say. They're not here."
45:55Then the At some point the neighbor said
45:57he has security cameras that face the
45:59driveway.
46:02And he said there's that only picks up
46:04motion.
46:05So, he has a time clocked of when I
46:07dropped her off and when I left.
46:10But it doesn't show Sh- Sh- Shannan
46:11getting out of my car and she got out of
46:13my car and got her luggage and then went
46:15up to the house. And I backed up but I
46:17sat there for a second to make sure she
46:19made it in the house and shut the door
46:21and everything was fine. I can confirm
46:22she was in the house.
46:24Um
46:24And she went in through the front door.
46:26Mhm.
46:26Okay.
46:27So, yeah. And I don't know if she
46:28flipped the lock after I don't know. But
46:30she did go through the front door.
46:32And then
46:33um
46:35he has he had security camera of that
46:37and then he had security camera of
46:39Chris
46:41backing up his work truck to their
46:42garage at 5:18 in the morning and
46:45loading something up in it.
46:49And that's when my mind went bad, like
46:51really bad because
46:53what would he be loading up at 5:18 in
46:55the morning and Shannan yells at him and
46:57he doesn't go out the garage because the
46:58garage is right below the the girls'
47:01bedroom and it would wake them up.
47:04He always went to and from the front
47:06door as far as I know.
47:10Okay.
47:11I assume the police took that video.
47:14I think they got it today. I went back
47:16over cuz I talked to Fox 31 just doing a
47:19plea like if you're out there, please
47:21come home. Please contact somebody.
47:24Um and they were there about the the
47:26neighbors said they asked him for the
47:27surveillance if they could call he could
47:29call his for whatever and it's not
47:31insurance. Security system but I sent it
47:33the video so they were doing.
47:35And they were there with a canine unit,
47:37too. So.
47:38Okay.
47:39Um
47:39I mean in this whole time I'm trying to
47:41be as cordial to Chris as possible but I
47:44like
47:46I don't know.
47:47I think you said several times that you
47:48your mind went to a bad place or
47:50something to that effect.
47:51Because her purse Well, then we found
47:53her purse. So, then after we saw the
47:54videos we go back in the house and I
47:56found her purse right inside the door of
47:57her office. And I had went in her office
47:59several times. I just It was like tucked
48:01right there by the door. I just walked
48:03past
48:03Was it behind the door?
48:04No, it was like right next to the door,
48:06like
48:07door was open, and then on the opposite
48:09side, it was sitting right inside the
48:10door.
48:12So, did it appear like somebody was
48:13trying to hide it, or you just didn't
48:15No, I think she just like somebody set
48:16it right inside the door as they were
48:18walking by or whatever.
48:20So,
48:24like I don't know. He's never made me
48:27think that he would do anything bad or
48:29done anything to make me assume that,
48:31but
48:32Shanann wouldn't leave her phone. She
48:34wouldn't leave her car. She wouldn't
48:35leave without the kids' meds. Like, and
48:37I'm just like, "Chris, you were the last
48:39one to saw her. Where is she?"
48:42That was one thing I was going to ask
48:43you about. So, that this EpiPen that she
48:45carries for Cece, does she go anywhere
48:47without that?
48:48That I don't know, but I mean, I'm sure
48:50the school has them, and but she had
48:52like I I don't know how I just know that
48:55she carries it on her if she's going to
48:56go somewhere where
48:58there might be an issue.
48:59Yeah.
49:00I don't know if they have one in the
49:01car. Like, I don't know to that extent,
49:03but I know like when she travels, she
49:05has a little case that has all of their
49:07inhalers and an EpiPen and all of that
49:08in it.
49:10So, and she just got back from North
49:12Carolina. So, in her office, on her
49:13desk, there's bags of all different
49:15kinds of medications that the girls
49:17take, like, you know, Tylenol,
49:18ibuprofen, Motrin,
49:21allergy medicine, and whatever I don't
49:23know what they're prescribed to. So,
49:24whatever it was, it was all still in
49:25baggies.
49:26Okay.
49:27So, my thought is if you were going to
49:29leave your husband,
49:30why not pick up the baggies that are
49:32already packed and take them with you?
49:34But all of their luggage was there, too.
49:36That was the other thing. She bought the
49:37girls special luggage to go to North
49:39Carolina. Like, if you were going to
49:40leave, why wouldn't you pack up the
49:41clothes and take it?
49:44Okay. So, did Shanann ever say anything
49:47to you about their relationship?
49:50So, the week they were in North Carolina
49:53and I can show you texts that she sent
49:55me.
49:55She said
49:57I think it was the second or third week
50:00she was there and there's posts all over
50:02Facebook about it, too. She got in a
50:04fight with Chris's mom
50:06because she went to Chris's mom's house
50:08to visit and um
50:11the grand I think her name is Cindy.
50:13The other grandkids were there and they
50:15were older. Cindy bought ice cream that
50:17has everything Cece's allergic to in it.
50:20So, Shanann asked and this is just
50:23hearsay, I don't know. Shanann asked
50:25Cindy, "Please do not give this to the
50:27other grandkids until I get Cece to bed
50:30because she's not going to understand
50:31and she cannot have it."
50:33And she took it and put it back in the
50:35fridge and then I guess Cece went and
50:37got it and then Shanann like put it took
50:39her to bed because I mean she's so sick
50:41like you eat peanut or not peanuts but
50:43cashews and kiss her, she could go into
50:44shock. That's how severe it is.
50:47So, um
50:50they argued or whatever. Shanann went
50:52back to her parents' house the next day
50:54and as far as I know, she did not go
50:55back and see his parents. But they
50:57celebrated Cece's birthday while they
50:59were down there cuz she turned three in
51:00July and the parents did not come to
51:02Cece's birthday. Okay.
51:06So, I know there was like a falling out
51:08between Shanann and Chris's parents and
51:10then
51:11she called Chris and told Chris what was
51:13going on. So, apparently there was
51:15some issues with her and Chris.
51:17Um
51:21and the whole thing, I don't know. And
51:22then I was told that Chris went and saw
51:23his mom and dad while he was there and
51:25spent the whole day there. And
51:28Shanann's mom, Sandy, and Shanann both
51:30said that Chris was not himself when he
51:32came back.
51:34And then like I knew something was up
51:37because of Facebook.
51:38I didn't ask. I figured she'd tell me
51:40when she got back or whatever. I mean,
51:41we texted a couple of times, but she was
51:43on vacation spending time with her
51:44family.
51:45Um
51:47she didn't post pictures of her and
51:48Chris that week. Like, I don't know,
51:50they hadn't seen each other for 5 weeks,
51:52so
51:53it was a little odd that they weren't in
51:54pictures together or being lovey-dovey
51:56or whatever.
51:58So, I didn't say anything. I just found
52:00it to be odd. There wasn't any pictures
52:01of Shannan, either, and Shannan takes
52:03selfies all the time.
52:05Okay.
52:06Like, it's an every morning ritual of
52:08the selfie and you point to your DFT cuz
52:10you're trying to promote it type thing.
52:12There wasn't pictures of her very much
52:14that week, either.
52:15So, and my gut She texted me in I don't
52:19know She texted me I'd have to look back
52:20at them. She either texted me or she I'm
52:22pretty sure she called texted me. I
52:24don't She called me I think like once,
52:25but she really couldn't talk. She was
52:27not herself all the time.
52:28And
52:30I can pull it back up if you want me to.
52:32I mean, it was a couple weeks ago, but I
52:33save all my texts.
52:35I put them in my heart cuz they were
52:36some important texts that were
52:37important.
52:38Um
52:40she's basically just said that things
52:42weren't she didn't know what's going on.
52:43He was acting weird. She hadn't seen him
52:45in 5 weeks. He wasn't touching her. He
52:47wasn't They weren't cuddling. He wasn't
52:49holding her hand. Like, he wasn't
52:51sleeping in the same bed with her, which
52:53I find that really odd. You know.
52:55So, is that all of that
52:57That was prior Yeah.
52:58All that's new. So, so prior to this
53:01Well, before before prior to North
53:02Carolina, like not to give you intimate
53:05details, she said that they were like
53:07screwing like rabbits and he couldn't
53:09get enough of her and
53:10they were doing it in the pantry where
53:13the girls were in the other room. So, to
53:14go from that extreme to I don't want to
53:16touch you
53:18is odd.
53:19Okay.
53:19So, prior to the North Carolina trip
53:22there was no indication from
53:24No, I went on a trip with them.
53:26that their relationship was on the rocks
53:28or anything like that.
53:29No.
53:30Right before she left for North
53:32Carolina, I was in San Diego with her
53:34and Chris for we won a trip through
53:36Le-Vel.
53:37We were all on a trip, a paid trip by
53:40them to just enjoy San Diego. So, I was
53:42with them for 4 days right before she
53:43left for North Carolina.
53:46So.
53:46And how were they then?
53:47Lovey-dovey, taking pictures together. I
53:49have tons of pictures of them together
53:51on my phone, so I mean
53:54Yeah.
53:54Yeah.
53:56Um
53:57I don't even know where I was in the
53:58conversation of what you asked me last.
54:02Um
54:04Oh, so they had the falling out. So,
54:06Chris was acting weird and then she
54:08texted me and said things were bad and
54:10that she didn't know what she did or or
54:13what was going on with Chris and she
54:14thought it that it was his parents and
54:17the only other time he's ever acted like
54:18this in the marriage was right after
54:20they got married
54:21and it was because his parents didn't go
54:23to their wedding.
54:26And that he
54:26So, his parents not like her?
54:28No, they do not like her. Yeah, they do
54:30not like her. His parents do not.
54:32Do you know the reason for that?
54:33Um I don't per se. Like I've met the
54:37parents like in passing. I've never
54:38spent time with them. I just I don't
54:40know.
54:41She can be bossy.
54:43I but in a good way.
54:45I mean, it's not like I've teased her
54:47because I'm like, "You're so bossy." But
54:48it's she's trying to like push you to do
54:51good things and like motivate you. It's
54:53not like a
54:55[ __ ] bossy. I don't know.
54:57I mean, I don't know what she's like
54:58with Chris Chris when I'm not there, so.
55:01Um but yeah, she told me through text.
55:03She's like, "Girl, I'm going to need you
55:04more than ever when I get home." She's
55:06like, "I don't know I don't know what's
55:07going on wrong. I don't know what I did.
55:09I don't know what I didn't do."
55:10basically.
55:12And I was like, "Okay, like I'll come
55:13over. We can talk. Whatever."
55:15Um
55:16and
55:18I was supposed to watch the girls when
55:19they got back because they had the
55:21ultrasound
55:22video of the baby to find out what they
55:25were having cuz the next weekend when we
55:26got back from Arizona, which would be
55:28this weekend, we were supposed to do a
55:29gender reveal party for them.
55:32Um
55:33so, they flew in Tuesday night late and
55:36I was over at their house um
55:38Wednesday night before we left.
55:42Um I went over and watched the girls
55:43play with them, paint their nails, that
55:46kind of thing. Hung out with them while
55:47my mom and dad went But Chris was really
55:49weird when he came home that night. He
55:50did not say hi to me. He did not
55:52acknowledge me at all, which is not
55:53normal for him. He'll like give a hug or
55:56he'll acknowledge that you're there.
55:57He'll say, "Hey, how you doing?"
55:58whatever and then he'll go on and his
55:59merry way and do whatever. He did not
56:01talk to me at all that night.
56:02That was Wednesday night?
56:03Yeah.
56:04Okay, that would have been
56:05the And I mean they were they were in a
56:06hurry or whatnot, but
56:09cuz they had to he was running late, so
56:11I literally got there when he got there
56:12and we like bypassed, but he didn't say
56:14anything and he seemed really like
56:17uh uptight.
56:18Would be a good way to put it.
56:19Good.
56:20So they leave and go to the doctor's
56:21appointment and then they come back and
56:23she gives me the envelope to of what the
56:26baby was going to be.
56:28And I said, "Okay, I will
56:31we'll find out in a week." Like and she
56:32was like and then I started Oh, she's
56:34like, "Don't open it in my house." And I
56:36was like, "Fine, I'll wait till I get to
56:37my car."
56:40So I go home and then she texts me that
56:43night and she said
56:50Um
56:52People are calling on my phone.
56:56I can tell you I have not had so many
56:58text messages, phone calls, and
57:00messengers on Facebook ever in my life.
57:02I'm sure.
57:05I can not want to be a celebrity at all.
57:09I left a job because my phone blew up
57:11all the time.
57:14Um let's see. Since I was with her most
57:17of the weekend
57:24And how did she seem over the weekend?
57:25Did she seem
57:27fine?
57:27She was no, this week last weekend she
57:29was not her normal self. She was very
57:31down. She's constantly like
57:33second-guessing how she was talking to
57:35people because she didn't want to be
57:39I guess [ __ ] I'm not sure. Chris and
57:41her had a conversation I guess Thursday
57:43night. I I guess I'll get to that in a
57:44second.
57:45Um
57:46Sorry to interrupt.
57:47No, you're okay.
57:48Um
57:52So
58:03So they go and come back and while they
58:05were gone they asked how she was doing
58:07and I showed pictures of her pictures of
58:08the girls.
58:10And I was like, "Oh my god, this is
58:12going to be so hard not to like tell her
58:15what it was once I found out."
58:18And then she text me that night at um
58:21I text her at 9:46 and cuz I knew by
58:23then. I said, "Oh my god, this is going
58:25to be so hard." She text me at 9:55 or
58:27yeah, 9:55 on Wednesday
58:30and said,
58:31"Chris said we're not compatible
58:32anymore. He refuses to hug me. Said he
58:34thought another baby would fix the his
58:36feelings. Said he refused couples
58:38counseling."
58:41So no gender reveal.
58:44So she canceled the gender reveal the
58:46party.
58:47Yeah, so that's
58:48Wednesday night.
58:49Wednesday.
58:50So that would have been the
58:5115th night.
58:53I think so. It would have been the 8th.
58:558th.
59:09So then I text him back and said,
59:12"Um
59:15what? I don't understand. What What What
59:18does he want to do then?" And she said,
59:19"No gender reveal." She's like, "I'm
59:21putting my friends thoughts. I don't
59:23want to fake a happy Chris."
59:27I was like or I'm putting my friends
59:29I'm not putting my friends through a
59:31fake happy Chris.
59:33And then again I said cuz it wasn't
59:34coming out. It says con gender reveal. I
59:36was like, is she trying to say no gender
59:37reveal? So I was like, so no gender
59:39reveal question mark? And she said no.
59:41And then me and another girl was doing
59:42it. I said, do you want me to tell
59:43Taylor? Do you want to? And she asked me
59:45to tell Taylor. So then I later texted
59:47Taylor.
59:48And then I said, okay.
59:49And she's all, he doesn't care that he's
59:51hurting me.
59:53And I said, what does he want you guys
59:55to do? And she's like, he's done. He
59:57said he will work it out. How do you
59:59work that out? I was like, what does
1:00:01that mean? Cuz I didn't know. I was
1:00:03like, what does that mean? I'll work it
1:00:04out. That's what Chris said to her.
1:00:06I said, you don't
1:00:09you don't work that out if you're not
1:00:10willing to work on it.
1:00:12And then she said, can you tell me what
1:00:14I'm having? I need some happy news,
1:00:16please. And I said, yes, I can. Are you
1:00:18sure? She was like, yes.
1:00:20And uh she's like, I'm not telling
1:00:21anyone though, not even Chris. I said,
1:00:23can I come tell you in the morning? I
1:00:24really like to tell you this kind of
1:00:25news in person and not through text.
1:00:29I didn't say not through text, but I
1:00:30said I'd really like to tell you in
1:00:31person. And she said, sure. I said, or I
1:00:32can come tonight and tell you like right
1:00:34now. And she's like, no, it's okay.
1:00:36I said, are you sure? I will.
1:00:38Cuz by this time I was texting it's a
1:00:39little after 10:00.
1:00:41And then
1:00:43I was like, I just want to see your
1:00:44face. She's like, it's okay. I'm still
1:00:46crying right now. So I'll wait until
1:00:49a.m.
1:00:51And I said, I can come over now. She's
1:00:52like, no, it's okay. I'll wait.
1:00:54And I don't know if you want to know the
1:00:55next message, but she said I might go
1:00:57masturbate to relieve stress.
1:01:01So um you know.
1:01:04And then
1:01:06she I talked to her by that point cuz
1:01:09this next isn't till Thursday afternoon.
1:01:12So
1:01:13I did go over the next morning. Um
1:01:15we were supposed to leave well obviously
1:01:17the next day, so everything was
1:01:18whatever. But I went to Walmart and I
1:01:20got some stuff for the baby and I got
1:01:22him these champagne poppers. So they if
1:01:24they did decide to do it, like they'd be
1:01:26exciting for whoever did it, whether it
1:01:28was her and the girls or her and Chris
1:01:29or whatever. There was, you know,
1:01:31they're going to have a baby.
1:01:33Um
1:01:34and they were having a little boy.
1:01:36They are having a little boy.
1:01:40Um
1:01:42and she asked him if and I took her to
1:01:44her house and said like it was in a
1:01:46little bag or whatever and I said here,
1:01:48if Chris wants to do this with you or
1:01:50whatever and she said he wanted to wait
1:01:52to find out with her that night.
1:01:55So I gave her the bag and I stayed for a
1:01:57little bit and then because she was
1:01:59trying to like appease him or make him
1:02:01feel better or whatever, she wanted me
1:02:03to put the ball in the backyard and I
1:02:04was like, "Shannon, you're not mowing
1:02:05the backyard. It's like 80° outside."
1:02:07She's like, "I just need you to help me
1:02:08get it down the rocks or whatever." So I
1:02:10ended up mowing her backyard for her
1:02:11before I left because I'm like, "I'm not
1:02:13going to let you mow the damn backyard.
1:02:16I'm just not."
1:02:18Um
1:02:19so
1:02:20I mowed her yard and then I went home
1:02:22and did my stuff and I talked to her.
1:02:25Um she said what if cuz her anniversary
1:02:27with him, like their dating anniversary,
1:02:29I think was the next day
1:02:31on Thursday.
1:02:33So she's like, "Do you think
1:02:35I should ask him to go away so we can
1:02:37work on things while I was there?" And I
1:02:38was like, "I mean, you could. I mean, I
1:02:41I don't know what he's willing to do."
1:02:43So she did text him and
1:02:48um
1:02:50she texted him and asked him if he was
1:02:52willing to go away. So then she started
1:02:53sending me all these Groupon's and asked
1:02:55me like where they could go and I'm
1:02:56like, "Well, you could go up to Glenwood
1:02:57cuz it not far you want to drive." So we
1:02:59were discussing that.
1:03:01Um so she's texting me all those
1:03:03Groupon's
1:03:04and stuff.
1:03:06Um
1:03:10And then she asked me about when I
1:03:11worked because she was trying to find
1:03:12someone to watch the girls so they could
1:03:13go.
1:03:16Um
1:03:18and then we stopped texting at like
1:03:2011:00 that night cuz I was here at work
1:03:23and she asked if I worked on the 17th
1:03:25and I said yes.
1:03:27And then I was like {question mark} and
1:03:28she said nothing and I was like it's not
1:03:29nothing if you're asking what's up. Like
1:03:31she usually doesn't ask if when I'm
1:03:33working cuz there's usually just
1:03:33something, you know.
1:03:35And then she texted me
1:03:38at 3:29 and said she was up and showered
1:03:40and I said I was counting down the
1:03:41minutes and wishing that I had a shower
1:03:44cuz I've been here all night.
1:03:46Um and then she said text me when you
1:03:47leave
1:03:49and
1:03:50I said I'll well when I get out to the
1:03:52parking lot I have to change.
1:03:54And then I texted her I was on my way
1:03:56and then I picked her up I mean and then
1:03:57we went to the airport.
1:03:59So.
1:04:01And I didn't see Chris that morning. I
1:04:02didn't see the girls. But she was off
1:04:05all weekend. I mean we were constantly
1:04:06telling her like eat Shannan. I carried
1:04:08a bottle of water bottle with me all
1:04:10weekend and I was constantly giving it
1:04:11to her telling her to drink cuz she kept
1:04:13saying she had a headache.
1:04:14And Nancy that was with us was a nurse.
1:04:16So we're both like you know taking care
1:04:19of her cuz that's our nature and
1:04:21she would take a couple bites of food
1:04:23and wouldn't eat them and then normally
1:04:25like I mean and I know she's 15 weeks
1:04:27pregnant but normally we'd like go and
1:04:28do something. We didn't go out. We
1:04:29stayed at the hotel the whole weekend. I
1:04:31mean except for going to dinner. We'd go
1:04:32to dinner and come back.
1:04:34So.
1:04:35I mean even the whole last day we were
1:04:37there the whole point of us staying
1:04:39there the last day was to like go see
1:04:41Arizona or explore in Scottsdale. We I
1:04:44sat in the hotel room.
1:04:45Not the hotel room but in the hotel
1:04:47lobby
1:04:48cuz we had to be out of our room by
1:04:4911:00 and our flight wasn't till 8:45
1:04:51that night. So
1:04:52we didn't go we sat there cuz Shannan
1:04:55was
1:04:56on the way there she got Chris a book to
1:04:59try and help. She ordered a book and
1:05:01then she downloaded it on her phone so
1:05:02she could listen to it. We listened to
1:05:04it on the plane together on the way
1:05:05there and then she was listening to it
1:05:06the majority of the weekend and she was
1:05:09picking out like how the book related to
1:05:11her and Chris and how could change these
1:05:13things or that things and
1:05:15What was the book name? Do you remember?
1:05:16Um
1:05:18I don't but I can find out for you. I
1:05:19know the friend that referred her to it.
1:05:25Do you want me to text her real quick?
1:05:26Yeah. Yeah, if you know it.
1:05:28So actually I was going to have you have
1:05:29you text a bunch of stuff to me.
1:05:31If you would, I would appreciate it.
1:05:34Can I have a separate piece of paper for
1:05:36this?
1:05:36Yeah.
1:05:41And I know I asked the detective what
1:05:43his name was but I don't remember it. I
1:05:45wasn't trying to be nonchalant or
1:05:46whatever. I just I've talked to so many
1:05:49people.
1:05:50I'm sure.
1:05:50I was like I just I need to go to work.
1:05:52Sure.
1:05:53You just got to be for a little bit.
1:05:55Okay. So what did you want?
1:05:56All right. So let's see. Let's start
1:05:57Let's go in reverse order. So the text
1:05:59string that you had with her on the 8th
1:06:02of August starting at about 9:55 where
1:06:04she talks about him he he says he's not
1:06:07compatible and he's done.
1:06:09Okay.
1:06:09Will you send me that that text string?
1:06:11Yeah.
1:06:16Um let's see.
1:06:18And then
1:06:19I'll give you other people's information
1:06:21cuz like Cassie I don't know if they
1:06:22were in text messages or not but Chris
1:06:23told her she didn't want the baby.
1:06:26He did?
1:06:27Mhm.
1:06:27Yeah. If you'll put them
1:06:30I can write down everybody's
1:06:31information.
1:06:31Yeah. So you write down Cassie and uh
1:06:34and uh Christina as well.
1:06:38And if you'll do the photograph of these
1:06:40shoes.
1:06:42Okay.
1:06:46And I don't know why I took a picture of
1:06:47the shoes. I really don't. It's just
1:06:50like when I was walking through the
1:06:51house I'm like well that's odd. That's
1:06:53odd because like to me like I don't
1:06:55understand why the police officer let us
1:06:57go in the house.
1:06:58Yeah. Well I mean at that point it's
1:07:01still at this point where it's still a
1:07:03missing person.
1:07:04Right. But like he let us touch things
1:07:06and go through things and that's where
1:07:07I'm like, I don't know. I've watched a
1:07:09lot of crime shows.
1:07:11Right. I understand.
1:07:21Um if you could do the the few texts
1:07:23that you sent her on
1:07:25The day of?
1:07:25The morning. Yeah, the morning that she
1:07:27was supposed to go to the doctor's
1:07:28office.
1:07:29Which is the 12th?
1:07:30The 12th, yeah.
1:07:31Okay.
1:07:31Like you said, you sent um
1:07:33several texts that morning. If you could
1:07:35do the Could you send me screenshots of
1:07:36those, too?
1:07:49And Chris is in corresponding like with
1:07:51all of us over the week. Like, there's
1:07:53like five or six of us, but
1:07:54Has been?
1:07:55Yeah. So, I'll give you all of their
1:07:57numbers.
1:07:58Yeah, if you would, that would be great.
1:07:59Well, he wasn't really corresponding
1:08:00with me, but I he talks Cassie's
1:08:02husband, Josh. I'll just put Cassie and
1:08:04Josh. He confides in Josh.
1:08:06Okay.
1:08:07Are they good friends?
1:08:09They met through Thrive, but like on all
1:08:11the trips we go on, they hang out
1:08:12together, and then Cassie came out to
1:08:14visit and they stayed at their house.
1:08:15Okay.
1:08:16I mean, they're bros.
1:08:17Okay.
1:08:19Okay.
1:08:43So, is she still considered a missing
1:08:45person?
1:08:45At this point,
1:08:47I don't know if anything's happened
1:08:48since I've been talking to you, but
1:08:49Well, cuz the lady that called me, she's
1:08:51like, we have some more evidence. We
1:08:53need to talk to you. And I was like,
1:08:55okay.
1:08:56Yeah, well, that was just a
1:08:57clarification thing.
1:09:07Do you need to know where they're at so
1:09:08when you call they're up?
1:09:12Oh, some of them are in Hawaii, you
1:09:13mean?
1:09:14Yeah, like Kristina's in Hawaii and
1:09:16Abby's on the East Coast.
1:09:20Eastern and she's in Arizona.
1:09:35Did you happen to take pictures anywhere
1:09:36else on the inside of the house?
1:09:38look. I I just I don't know why these
1:09:39shoes stick out to me. Probably cuz she
1:09:41wore them a lot of times.
1:09:42She's like, "You should buy these
1:09:44shoes."
1:09:45Do you You have your mom's number?
1:09:47Uh go ahead and give it to me. I'm sure
1:09:48we got it somewhere, but
1:09:50I'm sure we got that.
1:10:10Why can I ask a question?
1:10:12She's a missing person and she has two
1:10:14children.
1:10:15Why haven't they issued Amber Alerts for
1:10:17them?
1:10:18Well, with an Amber Alert, there has to
1:10:20be
1:10:21um specific actionable re- information
1:10:25like uh they were seen with this person
1:10:27and that person and presents a uh
1:10:29um
1:10:30possibility of bodily injury or death to
1:10:32them.
1:10:33And since we don't have any at this
1:10:36point an indication that they've been
1:10:38actually kidnapped or anything like
1:10:39that, that's the reason there hasn't
1:10:41been an actual Amber Alert. It doesn't
1:10:43mean that we It doesn't It can't evolve
1:10:45into that,
1:10:47but um
1:10:48if we just If we just issue Amber on
1:10:51missing people all the time,
1:10:52Right.
1:10:53it loses its effectiveness.
1:10:57Okay. Then then you want
1:11:01I was going to ask you any indication of
1:11:03infidelity on either part either party?
1:11:06So,
1:11:07this weekend, this is one of the things
1:11:08that happened this weekend. Chris said
1:11:11he went to a Rockies game on Saturday
1:11:13night.
1:11:14Who'd he go with, you know?
1:11:15People from his work, I have no idea.
1:11:17That's just he works there.
1:11:19He went to a Rockies game on Saturday
1:11:20night. So, um they got a babysitter
1:11:24for the girls and Shannon was texting
1:11:26with the babysitter to check on the
1:11:28girls throughout the night.
1:11:29Um
1:11:31but we were in Arizona, so they're an
1:11:32hour It's an hour difference, right?
1:11:34Mhm.
1:11:35An hour later.
1:11:36Um
1:11:37Chris wasn't home
1:11:38by like 9:00, which she thought was odd
1:11:40cuz it was an afternoon ballgame.
1:11:42And then she checked her bank statement
1:11:44and he'd went out to dinner, which
1:11:45that's not odd, but the total was $67.
1:11:49And she's like,
1:11:50"Why would he spend $67 at dinner?" And
1:11:52I'm like, "Maybe he had some beers, I
1:11:53don't know."
1:11:54Do you remember where that was?
1:11:55The Lazy Dog in Westminster.
1:11:58Off of 144th and
1:12:01I-25.
1:12:03It's um
1:12:04in that Orchard Shopping Center.
1:12:08Okay.
1:12:08Um
1:12:09so,
1:12:10What kind of
1:12:11restaurant is that?
1:12:13It's like a bar and grill type thing.
1:12:14So, you'd have to work at it to get 65
1:12:16bucks.
1:12:17Yeah. Well, that's what we were talking
1:12:19about cuz I'm like, "Well, we went out
1:12:20to dinner tonight and it was a Mexican
1:12:22restaurant, but it was a bar and grill
1:12:23type thing and I mean, I had some
1:12:26drinks. So, I was like, "Well, my bill
1:12:27was $47 tonight." She's like, "Nikki,
1:12:29$63, yours was 47." And it was one
1:12:32person. I'm like, "Well, yeah, but we
1:12:33didn't have appetizer and dessert." It
1:12:35was like, "So, maybe he like was
1:12:36treating himself." Trying to I don't
1:12:38know, trying to make her feel better cuz
1:12:40she was
1:12:41And then she called him. I don't know if
1:12:43she called him or texted him. I think
1:12:45she called him cuz me and Cassie went
1:12:46down to the pool and she said she called
1:12:48him. She said she was going to call him.
1:12:49So, I I know whether she actually talked
1:12:50to him cuz we weren't in the room. But
1:12:52she said that he um
1:12:55he wasn't home yet either. He didn't get
1:12:57home until 10:30, which she found that
1:12:59to be odd because it was well after
1:13:01dinner.
1:13:04And she knows when he gets home because
1:13:06her security system tells you when you
1:13:07open the door. All right. So, um
1:13:11she asked him what he had for dinner.
1:13:13And again, she's trying not to accuse or
1:13:15be snarky. So, he said, "Oh, I had some
1:13:16salmon and a beer." And she's like, "Oh,
1:13:17okay. Well, save the receipt cuz I need
1:13:19it for taxes." Cuz
1:13:21Sorry if she writes off anything.
1:13:23Um
1:13:24so, then she gets off the phone with him
1:13:26or whatever. When we come back, she's
1:13:28upset and she was like, "What did you
1:13:30spend that on?" And we were like, "I
1:13:32don't know." And she looked up the menu
1:13:33and he said he had salmon and a beer.
1:13:35And she's like, "That's only like 30
1:13:36bucks. Where's the other $40?" I'm like,
1:13:38"I I don't know, Shannon.
1:13:40Like, if you asked Chris to save the
1:13:42receipt, we'll have to look at the
1:13:43receipt." I was like, "Maybe he bought
1:13:44one of the guys dinner cuz they bought
1:13:46him something at the ballgame." I'm
1:13:47like, "Who knows?"
1:13:49So, then she started going through their
1:13:50bank statement to see if there was other
1:13:52any high charges while she was gone cuz
1:13:53they don't have that relationship where
1:13:55he spends whatever he wants, she spends
1:13:57whatever they want, the bills get paid,
1:13:58you know.
1:13:59It's like, you want something, go buy it
1:14:01type thing.
1:14:02So, there was that. And then he the
1:14:04conversations the phone call
1:14:06conversations were very small. Usually
1:14:08when she's on trips like that, they talk
1:14:09for 20, 30 minutes. She'd talk to the
1:14:11girls sometimes. They'll FaceTime. They
1:14:14weren't doing any of that. They sent
1:14:16pictures back and forth. There was no
1:14:17pictures. And there wasn't or at least I
1:14:19don't think there was cuz she would
1:14:20usually show her be like, "Oh, look at
1:14:21Cece or Bella doing whatever." There was
1:14:23none of that.
1:14:25And then
1:14:26um
1:14:27he let her go because he said he wanted
1:14:29to work out or something at
1:14:31whenever she talked to him last.
1:14:34So, she let him go. And then the next
1:14:37um
1:14:38the next day, I can't remember where she
1:14:40talked to him that morning or not, but
1:14:42it was very sparse throughout the day.
1:14:44He was going to take them to a birthday
1:14:45party of the girl that babysit, I think
1:14:47the brother or something. And through
1:14:49people commenting on Facebook and all
1:14:51the stuff that I've seen, he was at the
1:14:53birthday party.
1:14:54The The guy said he was at my house.
1:14:57And I don't even remember his name or
1:14:58where I saw it, but I did see that on
1:14:59Facebook.
1:15:01Um
1:15:02And then she texts or she called him
1:15:05that night when we were at the airport.
1:15:07And I figured she talked to him for a
1:15:08little bit, but it was a very short
1:15:09conversation. She wasn't talking. She
1:15:10like walked off. She's like, "Will you
1:15:12watch my stuff? I'm going to go talk to
1:15:13Chris real quick."
1:15:14And she came back and it couldn't have
1:15:15been more than 5 minutes. I was like,
1:15:16"Are you okay?" And she's like, "No."
1:15:18She's like, "I didn't talk to him all
1:15:20day or hardly all this weekend, and he
1:15:22wants to work out. He started working
1:15:24out while he was on the phone with me.
1:15:26So, I just let him go. And Chris used to
1:15:29work out like this all the time. I mean
1:15:32with Thrive, he's lost
1:15:3470, 80 lbs and he's gotten really fit in
1:15:37the last like really fit in the last 6
1:15:40months.
1:15:42Where does he work out at?
1:15:43In their basement.
1:15:45They have a
1:15:47Is her mom calling me?
1:15:52I'll call her back.
1:15:53Okay.
1:15:57So,
1:15:59and then we came home and she she was
1:16:02upset cuz she's like, "He didn't even
1:16:03want to talk to me." And then
1:16:05I did remember seeing a text from him
1:16:07because she texted him and told him our
1:16:08plane wasn't going to get in until about
1:16:101:32 in the morning cuz of the delay.
1:16:13We weren't sure cuz at that time we
1:16:15weren't sure. They were estimating. We
1:16:17were waiting for the flight for her to
1:16:17get there.
1:16:18And he said holy crap, that's late.
1:16:21And something else, but I remember the
1:16:23holy crap, that's late. And I don't I
1:16:25didn't see any texts after that. And I
1:16:27just I know Shanna was in a lot of pain
1:16:28on the plane in pain and a lot in the
1:16:30plane cuz she wouldn't sit still. She
1:16:31kept moving and readjusting and trying
1:16:34to
1:16:35Trying to get comfortable?
1:16:36Yeah.
1:16:37Um
1:16:38Do you have any knowledge about their
1:16:39finances? I mean, are they in debt up to
1:16:42their eyeballs? Were they rolling in it?
1:16:44Were they
1:16:45I would say I mean, I don't know. I
1:16:46collected their mail while they were in
1:16:48North Carolina and there was a lot of
1:16:50mail. I didn't go through it or
1:16:51whatever, but I mean, yeah, I think they
1:16:53were having financial issues cuz it was
1:16:56always
1:16:57she makes enough money that their
1:17:00daughters go to a really high-end
1:17:02preschool and stuff, like private
1:17:04school.
1:17:04what I just wrote down?
1:17:06What?
1:17:06Vister Ridge? Is that where they go?
1:17:08Okay.
1:17:09Vister Ridge, yeah. They go to Primrose
1:17:11Vister Ridge and
1:17:13I mean, that saved by her being in North
1:17:15Carolina, that was the $2,500 savings
1:17:17that month, so if that tells you
1:17:19anything. Like I work nights, so my
1:17:21children go to daycare 2 days a week.
1:17:25So.
1:17:26But, I mean, he works in the oil fields.
1:17:28He's got to make good money.
1:17:30I mean, I don't know. We don't talk
1:17:31about finances or anything, but
1:17:33Okay.
1:17:34But, your impression was that they were
1:17:36they had
1:17:38a significant amount of debt. Would that
1:17:39be an accurate statement?
1:17:41Yeah, because I know they filed
1:17:42bankruptcy before. She's made that
1:17:44statement. And I know that
1:17:47they have like cuz she's always very
1:17:50like meticulous. Not like that we don't
1:17:52go out to lunch several times a week or
1:17:53whatever, but she's like, "Well, I need
1:17:56to go here because it's cheaper." Or
1:17:58like she thinks about how she's going to
1:18:00make her money.
1:18:06So, do they go to Vister Ridge like
1:18:08full-time?
1:18:09Uh-huh.
1:18:11She works from home and she takes them
1:18:12full-time.
1:18:14She takes them?
1:18:15Mhm.
1:18:15Every day?
1:18:16Yeah, she and Nanny usually takes them
1:18:17every day.
1:18:18Okay.
1:18:19And is that the one in Yulee?
1:18:21Mhm.
1:18:21Okay.
1:18:23That was the other thing I was going to
1:18:24call the school and see if the girls
1:18:25were there. And I actually got a text
1:18:27message this evening from one of the
1:18:29parents at the school that does thrive
1:18:30with us. She was in Arizona with us.
1:18:33Um she didn't fly in and fly out the
1:18:35same time, but
1:18:36but texted me to There's so many people
1:18:39who text me. It's ridiculous. Um and she
1:18:41said that one of the other moms I have
1:18:43that, too. One of the other moms at the
1:18:44school said that
1:18:46they heard Chris call yesterday morning
1:18:48and say the girls weren't going to be
1:18:49there.
1:18:55I'm sorry. Say that again.
1:18:56So, Chris called the school yesterday
1:18:58morning.
1:18:58Chris called the school.
1:18:59And said the girls were not going to be
1:19:00there that day and then told them that
1:19:02they were separating and they were going
1:19:04to sell the house.
1:19:07Do you remember who that was?
1:19:08I don't have a name. I have a Max's mom,
1:19:10but I can give you Karen's number and
1:19:12call her.
1:19:13Yeah.
1:19:31Um
1:19:32I'm going to put friend of girls school.
1:19:34Okay.
1:19:52Okay.
1:19:54All right.
1:19:57Um
1:19:59anything that we haven't talked about
1:20:00you think we need to?
1:20:03Um
1:20:06It's funny.
1:20:07I was talking to Cassie on the way to
1:20:08work and I was like, I'm losing my mind.
1:20:10I don't want to forget anything. I don't
1:20:12want to
1:20:13I think she texted me and told me to
1:20:16list.
1:20:17I know that sounds horrible.
1:20:19I just I thought she did.
1:20:21Wait, you were going to check for
1:20:22pictures, other pictures.
1:20:23Oh, yeah.
1:20:30Oh, he told me to leave the house and
1:20:32everything was fine even though the car
1:20:34and things were still there.
1:20:36He did tell Yeah, he did tell me to
1:20:37leave the house.
1:20:38When was that?
1:20:39That was when I called him the first
1:20:40time. He's like, "Would you please leave
1:20:41and quit messing with my doors cuz I
1:20:42kept setting off his alarm system."
1:20:49He I this is hearsay, but he told Cassie
1:20:52to not get the police involved when he
1:20:53talked to her.
1:20:57Um
1:20:59Oh, he mixed up his stories with
1:21:00everybody. So, he told me that the girls
1:21:03and Shannan were on a play date.
1:21:05And then he told her mom his mom her mom
1:21:08something different. And then he also
1:21:10told Addy, which I gave you her number,
1:21:13he texted Addy something different, too.
1:21:15I think one of them was that she left in
1:21:17the middle of the night and the other
1:21:18one was she left that morning
1:21:20with the girls.
1:21:21Okay.
1:21:22Um
1:21:26And she said he told the girls' school
1:21:28that they weren't going to be there.
1:21:29They were separating and moving out of
1:21:31the house.
1:21:33Um Shannan wouldn't leave anything
1:21:35without anything, especially meds.
1:21:40And the other thing the house was locked
1:21:41up. Like, the more I think about it,
1:21:43there's no way she could have left that
1:21:44house without somebody seeing her.
1:21:47Like
1:21:48the way it was locked from the inside,
1:21:50if she was in that house when Chris
1:21:52left,
1:21:54she would have had to go out the garage.
1:21:55Mhm.
1:21:56Do you know what I'm saying?
1:21:57Yeah.
1:21:57So, if Chris didn't lock that house up
1:21:59like that before he left,
1:22:02she would have been noticed on the
1:22:04neighbor's camera.
1:22:06Like I
1:22:10Um
1:22:14She said Chris is being cold, not
1:22:16himself at all, yelling at the kids more
1:22:19often, and just not himself.
1:22:21Oh, and there because of the company he
1:22:23works for and he has to go to what oil
1:22:25wells, there's a GPS tracker on his
1:22:27truck.
1:22:27Yep.
1:22:28So.
1:22:28Where were that?
1:22:30Yeah, I already told him that yesterday,
1:22:31so.
1:22:32Okay.
1:22:33All right.
1:22:35So.
1:22:36Shoes, sorry.
1:22:37Yeah, shoes.
1:22:38Other pictures on
1:22:39the flight tracked?
1:22:40Other pictures on screen?
1:22:41Um, you're the
1:22:4438957890.
1:22:46That's
1:22:479303895
1:22:49584
1:22:505846, yep.
1:23:08I have a picture of a car in the garage
1:23:10that my son took.
1:23:11Okay.
1:23:12Yeah, that'd be good, too.
1:23:18Before we opened the garage.
1:23:21Um.
1:23:24Let's see. Our texts.
1:23:37Let me see if I do it.
1:23:43Oh, and I do have a screenshot of the
1:23:45guy who had said he was at his house.
1:23:47Do you want that?
1:23:49The guy that said he was there?
1:23:50Yeah.
1:23:50Who's that?
1:23:51His name's Jeremy. I can't see it, but
1:23:53I'll send you a picture of it.
1:23:55Jeremy Landstrom. He said, "Yes, I have
1:23:58the cops. My daughter watched the kids
1:24:00Saturday night and the girls were at
1:24:03Oh, my phone's going crazy.
1:24:10Um.
1:24:12And I don't know why, but I sent you a
1:24:13picture of a screenshot of a update that
1:24:15Amanda had sent.
1:24:18Um, let's see.
1:24:19And then you wanted to know my some
1:24:23You sent you the ones from
1:24:25that one.
1:24:27Which you want the ones from the day
1:24:28before, right?
1:24:29Um
1:24:30Or
1:24:30the day before we left?
1:24:31Yeah.
1:24:32The one where you talked about that they
1:24:33weren't compatible.
1:24:34Yeah.
1:24:35Yeah, that'd be great.
1:24:37If you would.
1:24:40Let me see.
1:24:53Oh, I'll redo that one. Someone just
1:24:55texted me.
1:25:39Okay.
1:25:42And then the book, I'll have to text
1:25:44Sharon and ask her about it.
1:25:46Okay.
1:25:47Yeah, that's fine.
1:25:49Not a big deal.
1:25:51Did Did she actually have it sent to
1:25:53him, the book?
1:25:54Yeah, so she downloaded it on her phone
1:25:56and then she had it sent by Amazon
1:25:58Prime. It was supposed to be delivered
1:25:59to the house on Friday or to the mailbox
1:26:01or whatever.
1:26:02All right. Did she ever say it was it
1:26:03was delivered?
1:26:06What?
1:26:06Did she ever say it was delivered?
1:26:08She didn't.
1:26:09Okay.
1:26:09And she said she was going to wait to
1:26:11ask him if he read it because she didn't
1:26:12want to be pushy and be like, "Have you
1:26:14read
1:26:15it?"
1:26:16And she told us she going to write him a
1:26:18letter
1:26:20over the weekend. Whether she did or
1:26:21not, there's a book that was in her
1:26:24purse. It's a green book and it It says
1:26:26like something quote on the front of it.
1:26:28Um
1:26:29so I don't know if there was a letter in
1:26:31there that she started to write in or if
1:26:33she was writing stuff down or like
1:26:35things she could change or she'd done
1:26:36wrong or whatnot, but she had that book
1:26:38with her all weekend. It was a notebook,
1:26:40like a binded notebook. It's like a mint
1:26:42green.
1:26:44And for the life of me, I can't remember
1:26:46what it says on it on the front of it.
1:26:48But she had that the whole weekend and
1:26:49she was writing in it off and on.
1:26:52So, I don't know if that
1:26:54But that was at the house with him, so.
1:26:56Okay.
1:27:01Like is it normal for people to do this?
1:27:04Nope.
1:27:04Okay.
1:27:05So, I'm not crazy to think badly.
1:27:08No, and and
1:27:13the circumstances kind of it It's hard
1:27:15to not go to that place.
1:27:16Yeah.
1:27:17You know, with with especially with you
1:27:19know, the keys, the phone, medications,
1:27:22the kids,
1:27:24um the car, you know, the kind of You
1:27:26kind of look at the totality of
1:27:27everything and it kind of starts to add
1:27:28up to a little bit of suspicion and
1:27:30that's why we're involved, the FBI is
1:27:32involved.
1:27:33So, um it's
1:27:36um
1:27:37it's definitely got our attention.
1:27:39And we're doing the best we can to see
1:27:40if we can find her and the kids.
1:27:42I mean, oh, today I when I was at the
1:27:44house, I
1:27:45um
1:27:48Give me a second.
1:27:50I know what I want to say. It's just not
1:27:51coming out.
1:27:52I Chris was out cuz the neighbor came
1:27:54over to me when I was after we talked to
1:27:56the reporter. He came over to me cuz it
1:27:58was in front of their house, like off to
1:27:59the side of it. Um
1:28:02and Chris and I actually like came out
1:28:03and saw the canine dogs were going in
1:28:05and we were going to go in the house
1:28:07just to check on him. Like I'm trying to
1:28:08be cordial cuz I don't want to think
1:28:10that, but in the same token
1:28:12I'm
1:28:13thinking that. Um but he's got no family
1:28:16here either and like I just I really
1:28:19don't want to think that of this person
1:28:20cuz I really really cared about
1:28:24my friend
1:28:26and those girls. Um
1:28:28but I checked on him. I was like, "Are
1:28:30you okay?" And the neighbor pulled me
1:28:32aside and said, "When you get a chance,
1:28:33come talk to me." And I was like,
1:28:34"Okay." He's like, "Why do you want to
1:28:35talk to me again?" And he's like, "This
1:28:37is weird and things are bad." I'm like,
1:28:39"Obviously, dude." Like,
1:28:40I don't know what you want me to say.
1:28:42So then I went back over to Chris and he
1:28:43said, "Hey, do you know anything? Has
1:28:45anything hit the checking account? Like
1:28:47her credit cards? Did you take any
1:28:48credit cards?" Like I'm still on my mind
1:28:51trying to process.
1:28:52And he said, "No." I said, "Chris, did
1:28:54she cuz we get paid every Tuesday on
1:28:55Le-Vel?"
1:28:57And you have to set it up either for a
1:28:59like a prepaid credit card type thing
1:29:02or you have to set it up for direct
1:29:04deposit into your checking account. So I
1:29:05was like, "Do you know the login? Login
1:29:07and see if she had her money transferred
1:29:09today."
1:29:10And he logged into it and he didn't like
1:29:13it hadn't been transferred for the last
1:29:152 weeks what she got paid from Le-Vel.
1:29:17So I was like, "Transfer it." He was
1:29:18like, "Why would I transfer that?" And I
1:29:20was like, "Because if it doesn't hit
1:29:21your account, it's going to hit some
1:29:22account."
1:29:24I mean, I don't know if that was smart
1:29:26or not smart, but if it doesn't hit
1:29:27their personal checking account then
1:29:29it's got to go somewhere.
1:29:31And who's paying that?
1:29:33Le-Vel.
1:29:33Le-Vel? What is that?
1:29:35It's the Thrive company. Yeah.
1:29:37L L A V E L?
1:29:39Mhm.
1:29:40And I can give you um
1:29:43I don't have Paul Gravette's number, but
1:29:45Addie Malone would have his number and
1:29:46they might actually be able to look and
1:29:48see if Chris says it doesn't hit the
1:29:50account.
1:29:51Paul Gravette's is the CEO of the
1:29:53company.
1:29:54How do you spell Paul's last name?
1:29:55I don't know. I can look it up though.
1:30:04How How funny. He just posted 22 minutes
1:30:06ago. J or G G R A V E T T E.
1:30:30Okay.
1:30:31Anything else you can think of?
1:30:34No, but I've had several media sources
1:30:36reaching out to me wanting to talk to me
1:30:37cuz it's the last one that technically
1:30:39saw her besides her husband. What do you
1:30:41suggest there?
1:30:45And I I can't tell you what to do.
1:30:46Right.
1:30:47Um from from an investigative
1:30:50perspective,
1:30:51we would prefer that you don't talk to
1:30:53them right now right yet.
1:30:54Okay.
1:30:55Um we do we do have a PIO that will
1:30:58person
1:30:59Private investigator?
1:31:00I'm sorry, uh public information
1:31:01officer.
1:31:02Okay.
1:31:03Great word.
1:31:04Public information officer who who
1:31:06handles all of our media relations and
1:31:08and what we put out to the media.
1:31:10Okay.
1:31:10Um you know, we like to try to
1:31:13regulate that as much as we can.
1:31:14Okay.
1:31:15And you know, and again, I I I can't
1:31:17tell you what to do and what not to do.
1:31:19Um use your best judgment.
1:31:20Right.
1:31:20We would prefer that you don't talk to
1:31:22people at this point.
1:31:23Okay.
1:31:24Um
1:31:25that's kind of our stand.
1:31:27Okay.
1:31:27So,
1:31:29I'll let you use your best judgment.
1:31:31Okay.
1:31:32But uh like I said, we prefer that you
1:31:33don't right at the moment. Um the time
1:31:36there will be a time and a place for
1:31:37that.
1:31:38Okay.
1:31:39So,
1:31:41What do I do?
1:31:43You can you can either let them go to um
1:31:45voicemail or you can tell them no
1:31:46comment.
1:31:47text I don't know how they're getting my
1:31:48phone number. I'm sorry.
1:31:49Yeah.
1:31:50They've texted me, they've messaged me
1:31:51on Facebook, they've called and left
1:31:53messages. And I'm like, how in the hell
1:31:54did you get my phone number?
1:31:55Yeah, they're
1:31:56they're good at what they do.
1:31:57Yeah.
1:31:58One of them called my aunt. And I'm
1:31:59like, how did Do know she was my aunt?
1:32:01Yeah.
1:32:02Right. So, so I mean you can let them go
1:32:05to voicemail, not answer them. You can
1:32:07answer them and say I've no comment
1:32:08right now.
1:32:11Whatever you think.
1:32:12Okay.
1:32:12So.
1:32:14And if you think of anything further,
1:32:16please
1:32:17send me an email.
1:32:19So, that's my desk line on there. You
1:32:21You got my my email and cell number,
1:32:22yeah.
1:32:23Okay.
1:32:24So, or send me a text, it's fine, too.
1:32:25Okay.
1:32:27So.
1:32:27Would you stay away from Chris?
1:32:31At this point
1:32:32that there's no reason for me to go over
1:32:33there, but then everybody I'm the only
1:32:35one here, so they're like, "Well, what's
1:32:36Chris doing?" I'm like, "I don't know.
1:32:38I'm not sitting in his house 24/7 with
1:32:40him."
1:32:41So, I mean then I understand your desire
1:32:43to want to be involved and try to try to
1:32:45help.
1:32:46in that sense. I just
1:32:48I don't understand.
1:32:49Yeah. No, I I get it.
1:32:52Oh, yeah. That's right.
1:32:52Takes this.
1:32:53And then we'll You want the Yeah, you
1:32:54want that.
1:32:57So, um
1:33:00you know
1:33:02I I would recommend that you probably
1:33:04not contact Chris.
1:33:05Okay. And if he contacts me, leave him?
1:33:07Yeah, probably for the time being.
1:33:09Okay.
1:33:12So.
1:33:14Is it wrong to ask if he's a suspect?
1:33:17Um
1:33:19since it's technically a missing person,
1:33:21there's not technically a suspect, but
1:33:23he is somebody that we definitely would
1:33:25like to talk to further.
1:33:27Right.
1:33:28So.
1:33:29You know, you watch the Dateline stuff
1:33:31and you know that stuff goes.
1:33:33Yeah.
1:33:33So.
1:33:34No, wait.
1:33:35People that are involved tend to draw a
1:33:37little bit of the spotlight more.
1:33:41And
1:33:44like if it was a crime of passion
1:33:46I honestly think he got a head
1:33:47strangler.
1:33:50Only because she already has the neck
1:33:51issue.
1:33:52I mean I don't
1:33:53What was that from?
1:33:55She had a I don't know if it was a I
1:33:57don't know if it started out as a
1:33:58slipped disc or if it was a degenerative
1:34:01disc and they went in and fused some
1:34:03stuff in her neck. She's got a scar on
1:34:05the front part of her neck.
1:34:06Okay.
1:34:08They're in most of the pictures.
1:34:10Did she have a car accident recently?
1:34:12No, she had a car accident in
1:34:14I want to say it was 2007 and then she
1:34:16got some neck and back issues due to it.
1:34:18Okay.
1:34:18Why?
1:34:19She didn't she did they have a Ford
1:34:20Explorer?
1:34:21They did.
1:34:22What happened to that?
1:34:22Um
1:34:25I can't remember if they owned it and
1:34:26sold it or if it was on lease and the
1:34:28lease was up and they didn't
1:34:30resign the lease.
1:34:31Okay.
1:34:31But they got rid of that about 6 months
1:34:33ago.
1:34:343 to 6 months ago cuz um
1:34:37they both earn so through Le-Vel you can
1:34:39earn a car
1:34:40and if you hit certain criteria and you
1:34:42go and purchase and lease a car of their
1:34:45like their their car list then they'll
1:34:47pay you $800 a month or $1600 a month
1:34:50for your car payment.
1:34:51Woah.
1:34:52Yeah, so it's worth it to go get the car
1:34:54here.
1:34:55Yeah, that's perfect.
1:34:55So that's why they have the Lexus. The
1:34:57Lexus is through Le-Vel tech not like
1:34:59through Le-Vel like one if she quit
1:35:01earning that amount of money she'd have
1:35:02to pay for it out of pocket but they
1:35:05pay you every month on the second month
1:35:07of second Tuesday of the month and you
1:35:08get $800
1:35:10depending on what bracket you're in.
1:35:12Okay.
1:35:12To go pick out a luxury car.
1:35:13So technically it's a company car.
1:35:15Technically. Yeah.
1:35:16That's interesting.
1:35:17But I mean you have to sign the lease
1:35:19and if they don't end up paying you
1:35:20you're still responsible. Yeah.
1:35:22Yeah. So.
1:35:24So they gotten rid of the Ford because
1:35:26they were talking about getting another
1:35:27car.
1:35:30So.
1:35:31Got you.
1:35:32But then she said that they were because
1:35:33of money issues
1:35:35they were not getting another car
1:35:36because they were using if you don't
1:35:38have the
1:35:39if you don't go purchase the car then
1:35:41you still get a car payment but it's
1:35:42only $300 so they were just using the
1:35:45$300 for whatever.
1:35:47Okay.
1:35:48So.
1:35:50Yeah.
1:35:50All right.
1:35:52Okay. Yeah, if you think of anything
1:35:54else just me a text or send me an email.
1:35:56Okay.
1:35:57Or give me a call whichever.
1:35:58Okay.
1:36:00Do you need anything else from me?
1:36:01Not that I can think of off the top of
1:36:02my head.
1:36:03Okay.
1:36:03So you're here till 6:00 a.m. is that
1:36:05right?
1:36:05Yeah, and my 16-year-old was there too
1:36:07so.
1:36:08Okay.
1:36:09I don't know if he'll want to talk to
1:36:10you or not
1:36:11he was there with me but your girl
1:36:13probably won't tell you much.
1:36:16So.
1:36:18Yeah, I just wanted to say
1:36:20Okay.
1:36:21Unfortunately
1:36:22Yeah.
1:36:23I traded shifts this week so I could
1:36:24have Saturday off so I could go to
1:36:26Arizona with Shannon.
1:36:28I
1:36:28this is my trade.
1:36:30Now you're going to pay the price huh?
1:36:32Yeah.
1:36:33I'm always the one
1:36:37All right.
1:36:40Well thanks for sitting down with me I
1:36:41appreciate that.
1:36:42You're welcome.
1:36:49Goodnight.
1:36:50Have a nice night.
1:41:39Mhm.
1:43:34Mhm.
1:43:38Mhm.

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