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0:00I'm a busy mom of two.
0:03I don't think enough has been really
0:05said about who she is and and how
0:07amazing she was. It is hard to be in
0:10this world without her in it. And we
0:12miss her greatly. His husband has
0:14confessed to killing his family and he
0:17is now detained. He is amazing. I can't
0:20tell you how wonderful he is. How could
0:22he have done something like that to her?
0:25She told me, "What if he has another
0:28woman?
0:30Okay. So, while you're doing that, let
0:32me ask you about
0:35the text with you in Charlotte. Yes. You
0:38talk about
0:41children and he's got his own kids and
0:44that makes you kind of uncomfortable
0:45because you'd like to have your own
0:46family.
0:48Put that in context for me. He didn't
0:50have a wedding ring on his finger and
0:52every time I talked to him, he didn't
0:54tell me that he was in a relationship.
0:56He said, "Well, I don't I don't want to
0:57get the police involved." They say, "Get
0:59the police involved in what?" To me,
1:01this case was definitely one of the most
1:03difficult cases I've ever worked. Right
1:05before the polygraph, I tell Chris,
1:07right now, there's only one person in
1:09this room that knows what the truth is.
1:11And in about 5 minutes, there's going to
1:12be two of them. Do you truly know
1:16everybody as well as you think you know
1:17them? This video is going to review some
1:20of the interviews with law enforcement
1:22between Shannan Watt's friends and law
1:24enforcement. Particularly, we are going
1:27to listen to her best friend Christina
1:30Meechum's interview as well as her
1:33friend and Thrive co-orker and well,
1:36Addie Maloney is Shannan's Thrive
1:38upline, Addie Maloney. Addie Maloney is
1:42currently a Thrive Lavel millionaire.
1:46some of the things that both Christina
1:47and Addy Maloney tell investigators
1:51about the days and weeks prior to
1:55Shannan and her girls Bella and Celeste
1:57going missing are very interesting. If
2:00you have not yet heard these interviews
2:01or if you haven't heard them in a while,
2:03take a listen. You're going to pick up
2:05some very interesting facts.
2:17Hello. Hi. Is this Christina?
2:20Yes. Hi, Christina. This is Officer
2:22James Frederick, Colorado PD. How are
2:24you?
2:26How are you doing, sir? I'm doing well.
2:29I'm calling in reference to Shenan
2:33and I was wondering if you had any
2:35information that you could give me.
2:40So hold on just a second. Let me hold
2:43on. Maybe where
3:04Okay. Sorry about that. No, you're fine.
3:06So,
3:08so Chanel and Chris um so Chanel went on
3:11vacation
3:13um last,
3:18you know, she went on vacation for like
3:19six weeks uh to North Carolina and um uh
3:25everything
3:26was okay
3:28between them until he came back um on
3:32the fifth week.
3:35Okay. Come be with them to go be be with
3:39them for a week and um
3:44he was different with her.
3:48Um
3:50he was cold to her.
3:54They normally he at least I mean cuz I
3:57stayed with them last year for two
3:59months while she was in surgery. I had
4:01to have surgery and uh you had them
4:04work. You had to have surgery or she
4:05did?
4:07I'm sorry. You had to have surgery or
4:10she did? She did. Okay. She didn't. She
4:13had to have surgery. So, I flew from
4:15Hawaii and stay with her for two months.
4:19Okay. Helping her with the kids and
4:21everything in the house and whatnot. Um,
4:24so, um, they were normally loving,
4:27caring. the first time that I really got
4:29to meet, you know, uh Chris. Um and um
4:35um they they seem to have a good
4:37relationship. Uh but fast forward to
4:41when he went back to North Carolina, she
4:44started calling me, telling me I don't
4:47recognize him.
4:49He's um not talking to me. He's not
4:52touching me. He's not kissing me. He's
4:54pushing me away. um he doesn't want
4:57anything to do with me. Um little by
5:00little they spoke.
5:02Little by little they spoke and um
5:05things started coming out and he said
5:07that he didn't want the baby.
5:10She She's pregnant. She's 16 months
5:12pregnant, right? One sec. She She was
5:16telling you all this stuff? Yes. Okay.
5:20Um she she confided on me. We're We've
5:23been friends for 14 years. Okay. She
5:25confided on me a lot and she could call
5:27me in the middle of the night because
5:29I'm 6 hours different from North
5:31Carolina. Yep. Um he uh Chris didn't
5:35want the baby.
5:38Yes, that's what she said that Chris did
5:41not wanted the baby. Okay. That he was
5:43scared that didn't want another baby
5:45that just wanted to stay with the two
5:46girls. Um, and uh, but things just
5:51started developing from there, like you
5:54know, he he was not compatible. She she
5:58texted me and she's like, he's saying
5:59we're not compatible anymore. I don't
6:02understand what that means, you know,
6:03cuz they were fine before she left. And
6:07she was alone for five weeks and then he
6:09comes back and saying these things,
6:11right? Yeah. um he said that um that he
6:16couldn't couldn't do this anymore. Like
6:18he wanted pretty much like he would say,
6:21"No, I I I want to work on this and I
6:23want to make things work." And um and
6:25then other days he's like, "I'm done. I
6:27can't do this." You know? Um so she was
6:30struggling a lot and that's something
6:32that she's not she she was really really
6:35really struggling with everything that
6:37was going on. But the last time that I
6:39spoke with her, they have talked. They
6:42have found out the sex of the baby,
6:44which was a a a boy, and she was super
6:47excited about it because he said, "If I
6:50ever have a child, I just want a boy. I
6:51don't want another girl." So, he thought
6:53that this was going to be good for them.
6:56Um, and uh he said that he was willing
7:00to go into therapy
7:03uh with her. and she even told me that
7:07she had plans to go to Aspen uh for the
7:11weekend this next weekend on Friday um
7:14with him to try to reconnect and um try
7:18to make things work and find a common
7:20ground. Um if not then she was she was
7:23done like she she couldn't fight if he
7:26was not going to fight for for their
7:27marriage.
7:29Um,
7:32it was very weird because this this just
7:34came out of the blue to all of us. Like
7:36when she told me the first time, I was
7:38like, "What are you talking about?
7:39That's not Chris. That's not who he is."
7:41He said that just started doing things
7:43that didn't make no sense to me. When
7:45When was the last time you spoke with
7:47her?
7:49I spoke with her on Friday.
7:53Friday. Saturday. Hold on. Let me look
7:55at the time.
8:00We're going to go look.
8:18Yeah, it was
8:23it was the
8:28Yeah, it was Friday
8:30the last time I talked to her because
8:32she was in Arizona
8:34and uh she had just actually just landed
8:36from Arizona and she wanted me to she
8:38wanted me to know the news of the sex of
8:41the baby and that she have talked to
8:43Chris and that they were going to try to
8:44work things out and wanted to tell me
8:47about the plans that she has. Okay.
8:51The last time because she was traveling
8:53after that so I didn't bother her. How
8:55how often would you speak with her?
8:58Every day.
9:01And you just you haven't spoke with her
9:03since Friday because she was on her
9:04trip. Yeah. Yeah. She was in training.
9:12How would you describe their
9:13relationship?
9:18Um she
9:20she was in charge. Okay.
9:24um she was the person in charge. Um and
9:28he followed through. She did what she
9:31wanted. Um but they seemed to be loving
9:34and caring and they used to, you know,
9:38be very loveydvey. So that's why when
9:40she started expressing herself that he
9:42wasn't anymore, that was kind of weird
9:44to me because that's not him. He did
9:47mention to her that he was tired of not
9:51being able to even hang something on the
9:53wall
9:55that he opinion didn't matter.
9:58Um that um he wanted a stay in the
10:03things that will happen or what not like
10:06cuz she normally is in charge. She
10:08normally is the one that keeps
10:09everything going if that makes sense.
10:11Yeah.
10:13So he was he expressed that that's one
10:15of the reasons that you know he didn't
10:17think that things were working out that
10:19he was tired of that that he didn't have
10:22any say
10:26and has she
10:28so would you describe her was she your
10:31best friend
10:33yes she's like my sister
10:36okay I mean I wouldn't have never
10:38stopped my life for two months for
10:40someone I didn't love I I took my
10:42daughter with me. I took my daughter
10:45with me last year and I went and took
10:47care of her baby girls, took them to
10:49school. I was her right-hand person
10:53until she was healthy enough and I left
10:56in October. Is there
10:59do you think she would she would
11:01withhold information from you?
11:05No, I think I was one of the first
11:07person that she spoke to about what was
11:10going on between Chris and her. Okay.
11:12She confined on me a lot. So, she just
11:16started telling you this stuff within
11:17the last couple weeks or has it been a
11:19couple months?
11:21No, this just happened when he when he
11:24went to North Carolina. He she was
11:25blindsided completely. She's like, I
11:27don't understand what's going on. And I
11:29was like, I don't either because you
11:30guys were just fine.
11:35And did she ever say that
11:38uh
11:40they had any other issues in their
11:42marriage prior to this?
11:45No. No. Did she say if they fought a lot
11:48or argued or if every anything ever was
11:51physical? Anything like that?
11:54Nothing.
11:56They never went physical into each
11:58other. I mean, every marriage fights,
12:01right? That's just part of human nature.
12:03Um but they pretty much keep it very
12:07simple because of the kids. Okay. Um and
12:11um I I just it makes no sense everything
12:15that is going on right now.
12:19Um because I've he was always very like
12:23he put them first all the time. Um he
12:27put the kids first. pass all of them
12:30like they were their their world, you
12:32know. Um he put them all first. Um he
12:37was hanging hand and feet for all of
12:38them and all of a sudden he was
12:41aggravated by the kids playing around
12:44him. He was getting, you know, fussy
12:48with everyone. He didn't want to talk.
12:50He didn't want to touch her. He didn't
12:52want to like he she would text me and
12:54she would send me a picture thing like
12:56there's where he's at. He's in the other
12:57side of the couch. Like he's on on
12:59another couch. Like he's not even
13:00touching me. He haven't even asked me
13:02how the baby's doing. He didn't want to
13:04know anything about it.
13:07And this is all recent, huh? Yes. Yeah.
13:11This just happened like like whatever
13:14happened in those five weeks that we he
13:16was by himself, he came back to her
13:18another man.
13:21And that worries me because that's not
13:23that's not him. Even even what like
13:28I mean like when Nikki went by the house
13:31things didn't make sense to me at all
13:33because it just
13:36he she she said routine. She said
13:38routine like she's OCD. She had
13:42everything in order. She um she
13:45literally has a plan for everything. um
13:49she's not a person to derive from those
13:52plans, right? This is what she's going
13:54to do. This is what's going to happen.
13:55The kids have times they go to take
13:57naps. They, you know, things go a
13:59certain way. You know, she she has a
14:02routine. Even what she wears, even the
14:05flipflops that she wears um is a routine
14:08for her. Um the door is never that lash
14:12on the door. Two months that I was
14:14living there, that was never on.
14:17only when they went to sleep. Like
14:19literally went to sleep. Um that was
14:23you're talking about on the front door.
14:25Yes. Yes. Because when Nikki got there,
14:28she was on the phone like she was on the
14:30phone with me when she got there and
14:32couldn't really access the house and
14:33couldn't get a hold of Shannan. And she
14:35said, "Christina, I know you talk all
14:36the time with her. Have you heard from
14:38her?" I was like, "No, because it was
14:39the morning for me." Right. Right. and I
14:41was going to catch up with her today
14:42because I knew she had just come back at
14:452:00 in the morning, you know, from her
14:47trip. And uh um I
14:52literally like, "Okay, well, open the
14:54door because it's a keypad and you know,
14:57she normally has the same keypad, you
14:59know, number on it. Just open the door.
15:00You go check it out." And she tried and
15:03the latch was on
15:06and that latch is never on. her flip
15:09flops were right beside her her door
15:11which she never leaves without like
15:13that's that's her flip-flops unless she
15:15wants to dress up that is what she wears
15:18and um and the latch was on which
15:20doesn't make any sense to me because she
15:22comes in and out of that door every day
15:25and I mean even I I just don't
15:28understand I don't understand everything
15:29that's going on because nothing adds up
15:32the routine was completely off
15:36and that's not normal in two months that
15:38I stay with her, the routine never
15:40changed.
15:43Was always the same. And I tell you
15:46this, it's out of character for her to
15:48leave the house without her phone,
15:52without telling anyone anything
15:55um
15:57with the kids, without their important
16:00medicine, which is scared of. And if you
16:03ever go to her Facebook account, you'll
16:04notice that there was an issue back home
16:06about the kids safety because
16:09um of allergies and that they were not
16:12being taken care of properly. Um
16:15there was a I mean she is she is
16:18protective of those kids and for her to
16:22leave the house without no security, no
16:25nothing, it's just completely completely
16:27out of character.
16:29Did she ever did she ever say if they're
16:33having any financial trouble or anything
16:35like that? Um, you know, she uh she
16:39always commented that, you know, that
16:41they had, you know, that they struggle
16:43sometimes. You know, she was working
16:45really hard on her business. Um, and he
16:48was also working. She spent a lot
16:51because she went kept giving into the
16:53business to be able to to continue to
16:57grow which she was. Uh but I know that
17:00they they they struggle a little bit but
17:03I don't know to what point. Okay. But I
17:05do know that they were struggling.
17:08Did she ever say she had a plan on
17:10leaving him or anything like that or was
17:13she wanting to work on the marriage?
17:16She wanted the marriage to work. like I
17:19was, you know, like she really did not
17:22understand what was going on and I was
17:24the one telling her like, "Listen, you
17:25know, it's the first really big issue
17:28that you guys have ever had because I've
17:30not, you know, never heard anything else
17:32from them before." Um, and I told her, I
17:35said, "You just need to talk to him. You
17:36need to give him space. You need to, you
17:38know, work things out. This is your
17:40marriage. This is your family." Um, so
17:42we talked a lot about that because I
17:44mean, she she's she's Italian. she, you
17:47know, she immediately would have said,
17:48you know, something out of the blue, you
17:50know, but she was more like if if he's
17:54not willing to work um you with with our
17:58marriage, then our marriage is over. I
17:59can't fight for him without him. And the
18:03last time I talked to him to her, she
18:06said he is willing to go to, you know,
18:09therapy because I I told him it's like
18:11therapy might be able to help you guys.
18:13Um, you know, to try to get things out
18:15of the chef because Chris is very very
18:17quiet and he doesn't express his
18:19emotions like you don't steam any
18:21emotions from Chris. And um,
18:25you know, maybe that will help him out.
18:27And he said that he had agreed, but I
18:29haven't talked to Chris. I've never been
18:30close to Chris like that, you know. So,
18:32right.
18:34Um, but I just know that that if they if
18:39they had a fight
18:41while she was there, when she got there
18:43at 2:00 in the morning, the girls were
18:45woken up. I mean, you couldn't you
18:48couldn't make a noise uh in that house.
18:51I mean, at night because the girls are
18:52so light sleeper even during the day.
18:55Um, like when I stayed there, I had to
18:58go on tippy toes to the bathroom. So I
19:01would crick the floor or the stairs or
19:04nothing. And uh um I mean forget about
19:07opening a garage in in you know early in
19:10the morning. We always had to kind of
19:11like go around the the side. I will go
19:14downstairs. Sometimes Chris was there
19:15you know getting his foot ready so he
19:18can get out the door and he will go
19:19through the front door.
19:21Um because we didn't want to wake up the
19:23kids.
19:26So he didn't usually go out the garage
19:28in the mornings. No,
19:36he will come home and sometimes we'll
19:38come through the he will come through
19:39the garage but normally in the morning
19:41he will go to the front door.
19:50Okay. Because I mean just opening the
19:52garage door or even turning the car like
19:55for me turning in the car like one day
19:57we we um while I was there we went to
20:01Vegas to a training together and um you
20:06know we we had to leave like at we hours
20:08like at 3:00 in the morning even turning
20:11on that car in the morning we were
20:13afraid that the kids were going to wake
20:15up right um and it wasn't in the garage
20:18it was right outside the garage So it's
20:21like right on top so they will hear
20:24everything right.
20:29It just this doesn't make any sense.
20:31It's completely I know for sure she will
20:34not leave
20:37like that. So I just stopped and she
20:39would have never she she would have
20:42never left like that. It's just
20:44something doesn't add up to me. From all
20:46the years that I know her, she's always
20:48been
20:53you could rely on what she was gonna do,
20:55if that makes sense, right?
20:59Um
21:02I I mean I I don't think Chris has that
21:04on him, you know, like I I think Chris
21:06is a good guy, so it's kind of hard for
21:08me to even imagine that he will hurt his
21:12family, right? you know, um, especially
21:16especially those girls.
21:18So, he was an active father. Good.
21:22Definitely. Yes. Very active father. Um,
21:27very caring, very loving, uh, very
21:30attentive
21:32um, to them. He even took care of my
21:34daughter. All right, I'll give him a
21:35call. Um, when I was gone for a couple
21:38of days. Um, he's very very in that
21:42part. He was a good husband. He was a
21:44good father. That's why this change into
21:47the kids not even wanting to be around
21:49him, you know, um wanting money and him
21:54getting upset just by the kids playing.
21:56That's not him. That all started that
21:59all started with
22:01the marriage problems as well. Yes.
22:05Good. That all started all together when
22:06he went back to North Carolina after
22:09five weeks of being away from each
22:10other. I do not know what happened on
22:13those five weeks, but something changed
22:15in him because that was not him. When he
22:18was telling me about everything that he
22:19was doing and the things he was saying,
22:21it just doesn't make any sense. What's
22:23his name?
22:25That was not him. Okay, that's a
22:27different Chris.
22:29And he even he even deleted his Facebook
22:33page. Why would you delete your Facebook
22:35page? When did he do that?
22:38Well, I just find out today and one of
22:40the other girls said, "Oh, that's been
22:42like a week ago or so that he deleted
22:44his Facebook page." So, you're friends
22:46with Nikki?
22:49I'm friends with Nikki and Cassie and
22:51Addie and Sam and we are all a group of
22:54friends. Yes. And do you guys all do
22:58this the
23:00Laval thing together? Yeah. Uhhuh. Okay.
23:05You got to remember your your
23:10Is there anything that is there anything
23:13else that you can think of?
23:17That I should know about
23:21some
23:25Is there is there anything else you can
23:27think of that I should know about?
23:31Um you said what he was in. I can't
23:33think of anything. There will be
23:35speculation. Did he go? I can't say
23:37that. Some people have come and said,
23:39"Well, did he have someone else?" I I've
23:41never saw anything like that, you know.
23:43Do you know where she would go?
23:46She will go to one of us. If she was
23:49ever going to leave, she will contact
23:52one of us. And I have called and contact
23:56everyone that I know in Colorado. Yeah.
23:58And not Colorado. and no one has heard
24:01from her
24:04or know nothing of her. This is not her.
24:07She will plan things. She's not a person
24:09to just pick up things and go. This is a
24:12person that is meticulous and she plans
24:14everything.
24:17She just doesn't go. And she knows that
24:22my house is always open
24:25always. Cuz I told her it's like if you
24:27ever need a break, you know, you can
24:29come over here. It's just hard to start
24:30all over here because you know it's it's
24:34it's expensive you know right to live in
24:36Hawaii. Um but she would have never
24:41leave not like that ever. That is not
24:45her.
24:48Doesn't matter how bad things were.
24:51She has she has rules, you know. She she
24:55has a way of doing things, right? So, if
24:58you hear from her or anything,
25:01obviously her and Chris, there's
25:04something going on in their marriage.
25:07Um, if you come into contact her with
25:09her for any reason or you hear anything,
25:13please have her contact us. We we just
25:17want to make sure that she's safe.
25:19And you know, we're we're not let her
25:24know that we're not worried that uh
25:27she's gone or she's what she's doing. We
25:30just want to make sure that she's safe.
25:32As long as we can we can guarantee her
25:35safety. That's what our most important
25:39thing that we're looking out for is is
25:41that she's safe. So if you hear from
25:44her,
25:45doesn't matter the time of day, I'll
25:47give you a phone number to call.
25:50and have her contact us or if you hear
25:53from her, you can contact us. Would you
25:56do that for me? Of course. Okay. And so
25:59when you're when you're ready, I'll give
26:01you a phone number. Okay. What's the
26:03phone number? 720
26:07652
26:114222.
26:13And that's to our dispatch center. And
26:15that's answered 24 hours a day, seven
26:17days a week.
26:19and just ask to speak with a Frederick
26:21officer
26:23and one will call you.
26:28Okay. Our main concern is her safety. So
26:31652 4222. Say it again.
26:35720
26:37652 4222. That's correct.
26:43So,
26:44if you hear anything from her or uh are
26:48able to talk to her, either you call us
26:51or have her call us. We just want to
26:52make sure that she's safe. Okay.
26:55Okay. And if there's anything that you
26:57can think of, uh this phone number that
26:59I called you from is our police
27:01department. During business hours, it's
27:03answered. So, that's 8 to 5 Colorado
27:05time.
27:07Outside of that, it may not be answered.
27:09You can try to call it. Otherwise,
27:11you'll have to contact that dispatch
27:13number um and an officer will contact
27:15you. Okay. Okay. And if you think of is
27:20that this is not this is not her, right?
27:24Never leave like this. And she will
27:26never leave the kids like this. Like it
27:29just won't happen. It's not her.
27:33If if you think of anything else that
27:35comes to mind, please don't hesitate to
27:37call us. Okay. We'll do. All right.
27:40Thank you so much.
27:42Bye.
27:50Hello. Hi, Addie. It's Officer James.
27:53Hi. Hi. Hi.
27:56Um,
27:57so I was just calling to see if there's
27:59any information you can provide me that
28:02you think would be beneficial.
28:06Um,
28:09what I know, um, Shannan and I are
28:13really close friends, so she's confided
28:16in me a lot that things have been not so
28:20good between her and Chris. Okay.
28:23Um, last night we were I I'm sorry,
28:27night before last, it's all blurring to
28:30me because we've been traveling and I'm
28:32in different time zones, right? So,
28:34forgive me, but it was um
28:38it was I think Saturday evening.
28:44Um
28:46Sunday, Sunday evening,
28:48she shared that um she was and she
28:53thought he might
28:56I'm sorry, your phone's breaking up.
28:59Okay, sorry about that. Um he she
29:02expressed on Sunday night that she was
29:06concerned that he was having an affair.
29:08Okay.
29:10Was this just to you that she told you
29:12that to?
29:14Um me and
29:18Nikki
29:20and Cindy was there also
29:24and we all kind of thought no, you know,
29:27there's there's no way that Chris would
29:29do that. you know, they seemed like just
29:31such a perfect couple. But I also knew
29:35over the past couple of weeks she's been
29:39really just trying to save her marriage
29:42because he's been saying things like he
29:44didn't want the baby.
29:47Um
29:49he didn't
29:52she had cancelled their um
29:56baby their gender reveal party. they
29:59were, you know, getting a lot of friends
30:01together to reveal the g the gender of
30:04the baby and she canled that because he
30:08was just not there. He just was not
30:12wanting this baby.
30:16Um, I mean, these are all just red flags
30:19for me right now. I
30:22I don't I She told you this personally.
30:27I'm sorry. She told you this personally?
30:30Yes. Okay. So, I know that all you girls
30:33have been talking, so if you
30:38heard it from someone else, just kind of
30:40clue me into that so I don't write down
30:42in my report that
30:47she told you when in fact does that does
30:49that make sense? That she told you when
30:51someone else made hearsay? Yeah. Yeah.
30:54Um, and and a lot of the a lot of what
30:58she told me, we were in a we were in a
31:00group this weekend. Okay. We were all
31:02together in Arizona. So, we were in it.
31:06Cindy, it was um Cassie, Cindy, Nikki,
31:11and I Okay. Were all together. Makes
31:13sense. Um there's a there's a lot of
31:15things that I told Sam. I'm trying to
31:19think who you've spoken to. those
31:21Samina.
31:23But yeah, Sam, Christina,
31:26Cindy,
31:28trying to think who else. Yeah, she was
31:32getting to the point where she was
31:33telling, you know, she had she hadn't
31:35really told
31:37anybody except for me and Nikki and
31:41Cassie prior to this weekend. And then
31:44this weekend she shared with um
31:49with Cindy and Sam wasn't there. I Cindy
31:53and I clued Sam in on what was going on.
31:56When did she tell you that they're
31:58having started having struggles with
32:00their marriage?
32:02This was about two weeks ago. Um, if you
32:05have her phone, our entire conversation,
32:08I mean, we have a a huge text string
32:13about it.
32:15Um, if you have her phone, you can
32:17pretty much see everything that she told
32:19me. I mean, there were things that we
32:21talked about oneon-one, too, but pretty
32:23much everything is in the the messages.
32:25So, when you guys would communicate, was
32:27it usually through text messages or over
32:29the phone?
32:31text messages mostly and over the phone
32:34and then we saw each other this weekend
32:36in person. Okay. Did she tell you
32:39anything in person that she didn't tell
32:40you over to the text messages?
32:44Um,
32:49let me think. Yeah, about the about him
32:52cheating.
32:54This was last this was on Sunday night.
32:57um my flight got cancelled. So I ended
33:00up we ended up being there an extra
33:02night in Arizona. Um we went out to
33:05dinner and as soon as she walked in to
33:09meet me, she just looked very sad
33:13and she said, "All right, tell me what
33:15you think of this." I found um she said
33:18Chris went to a he went to the baseball
33:20game with friends. Was that the Rockies
33:23game? I told her the Rockies game. Yeah.
33:26So Chris told her he went to the
33:27Rockies,
33:29correct? With friends, a group of guys.
33:33Okay.
33:34And then he he was out late and she knew
33:39this because she was communicating with
33:41the babysitter that he had hired to go
33:44out while, you know, she was away. So
33:49she was checking in with the babysitter.
33:50So she knew his timeline and when he got
33:52home and everything. So what he told her
33:54was that he went to eat. He went to get
33:58something to eat after and he said he
34:02specifically told her that he had a beer
34:06and a salmon dinner, but the bill was
34:10$62.
34:12And she was very she thought that that
34:15was a little suspicious. So she asked us
34:17what we thought. Do we did we think that
34:20salmon dinner and a beer could have
34:23could have been $62 or was he with
34:25somebody and she saw that on their bank
34:29accounts?
34:30I'm sorry. She saw that on their bank
34:32statements.
34:34Um, no, he actually told her what he
34:37what he spent.
34:40And you know, I think they just
34:43communicate like that about money
34:45because she handle everything in the
34:47money. Because that's what I I I was
34:49like, why? They said, well, it's kind of
34:51weird that he would just tell you
34:52exactly what he what he bought. And
34:55she's like, no, he does that all the
34:57time. Like I kind of thought he was
34:58maybe justifying his what he had, you
35:02know, trying to cover up something. and
35:04she said, "No, it's not unusual for him
35:06to tell me because she just handles all
35:09the money and they're, you know, trying
35:10to watch their spending is how she
35:12explained it to Nikki and I." Um, and I
35:16said, "Well, I guess maybe he bought
35:18maybe he bought one of the guys in a
35:20beer because yeah, that $62
35:23seems a little high for salmon and a
35:25beer. So maybe he bought somebody
35:27something."
35:29But she thought she was suspicious that
35:31he was out with with somebody. Okay. Up
35:34until then, she's been like, we've all
35:36been like, there's no way. She said,
35:39because you'll, if you look through the
35:40text messages,
35:42she I when she first started telling me
35:44this, I was like, when she first started
35:46telling me about him not wanting the
35:47baby and him being weird to her, and
35:50something's wrong. She couldn't figure
35:51it out. He wouldn't tell her what was
35:53going on except for it's nothing that
35:55you did. It's me. Um, and I said, "You
35:59go through his phone." I'm like, "Go
36:01through his phone and see if he's
36:02talking to somebody."
36:05Um, and she said he's he's been deleting
36:10messages.
36:12Um, she said he was deleting she told me
36:14in via she told me through a text that
36:17he was even deleting text messages with
36:19his dad because she had had a falling
36:23out with his parents while she was in
36:27North Carolina.
36:29Yes. What was the falling out about? The
36:33falling out was about um she was out
36:35there visiting for four weeks. Both of
36:38their families are in North Carolina.
36:39She went and took the two kids out there
36:43um and Chris stayed home in Colorado.
36:46Um, there was an issue with her her
36:49youngest daughter has a severe tree nut
36:51allergy and Chris's mom had
36:57essentially exposed her to the tree nut
36:59allergy. um nothing happened, but she
37:02was very upset that she had put her in
37:06the position where, you know, she could
37:08have
37:10um it was it was pistachio ice cream and
37:14she and the the Chris's mother gave
37:19the other one of the cousins pistachio
37:21ice cream and CeCe was crying for it
37:24because she wanted it too. And they had
37:27a falling out over that because, you
37:29know, Shannan felt that she should have,
37:31you know, chosen another flavor of ice
37:33cream to bring home to the house to to
37:36feed these kids. So, she had a falling
37:40out with mom or dad. Well, that was with
37:42mom. I don't She loved her Chris's dad.
37:47Um, but I think I think the whole thing
37:50just escalated to both of the parents.
37:53um both of Chris's parents just
37:57being upset with Shannan and they didn't
38:00come to her birth they didn't come to
38:01Cece's birthday party which was in North
38:05Carolina
38:06which was in North Carolina Shenan threw
38:08a birthday party and Chris's parents did
38:10not come because they were upset with
38:12Shannan
38:14and they also be unfriended them on
38:19Facebook
38:20both of them Chris and Shannan and I
38:23think Chris was upset and this is I
38:25don't know this for a fact. These are
38:26all things I was like well maybe he's
38:28upset with you because of the falling
38:30out with your parents and she said that
38:33he did feel that she caused the problem
38:35between him and his dad and his dad is
38:37his hero.
38:41Dad is Chris's hero.
38:43Yes. And Chris felt Shenan caused a
38:47problem.
38:49I I believe so. Yeah, that's what
38:50Shannan felt.
38:53Shannan felt Chris thought
38:56Yes. Shannan felt that Chris felt that
38:59Shannan caused a problem between his
39:02dad. He specifically said his dad, but
39:04really, you know, both of his parents,
39:06but he's closer with his dad. I think he
39:09and his mom, you know, had had some
39:11issues along the way, too. But he was
39:13always close with his dad. And then
39:15Chris deleted his Facebook last
39:17Thursday. Were you friends with him on
39:20Facebook?
39:21Yes.
39:25And the way I know that he deleted his
39:27Facebook is because she texted me on
39:29Thursday
39:31um last Thursday and said that she had
39:36suggested that they do a weekend
39:39together to help to you know center and
39:43work on things. And he and he said no at
39:47first, but then when they found out that
39:49the baby was a boy, he seemed to come
39:51around a little bit because he said he
39:54told she told me that he told her the
39:56only reason he wanted to get pregnant is
39:58cuz he really wanted a boy. Um when they
40:01ended up finding out it was a boy, he
40:03seemed to like he was opening up with
40:05her a little bit. Um things were getting
40:07a little bit better. Um so they were
40:10going to go away on a weekend together.
40:14So her I remember her texting me and
40:18saying one minute he's saying we're
40:21going to go on the weekend away
40:22together. The next minute he's shutting
40:24down his Facebook.
40:26And I was kind of I didn't ask this. I
40:30wish I would have but I was kind of
40:31thinking well what's the correlation in
40:33that? But I think what she meant was,
40:35you know, one minute he seems to be
40:38normal Chris and then the next minute
40:40he's shutting down his Facebook, which
40:42which is a strange thing to do
40:44particularly
40:45in our in our business. Um, our social
40:49media is a huge part of what we do and
40:51Chris is a part of that as well as far
40:54as our business goes. Yeah.
40:58So, it's it's a very strange thing to to
41:01go off of, you know, it it might not
41:03seem that way, you know, to some people,
41:07but just because of how relevant face
41:09Facebook and social media is to our
41:11business. So, when I asked when I said,
41:14"Well, why did he delete Facebook?" She
41:17said he just said he needed a break from
41:19it, which is, you know,
41:22not a it's not the strangest thing, but
41:26it he's never done that before. I've
41:29been friends with them for
41:32um about three years.
41:37And you know know her through her
41:39business? Is that how you guys met? I
41:42Yeah, we met. She's she's part of my
41:45she's part of my team in our company. Um
41:48and we've become really close friends.
41:51We've been on multiple trips together
41:53with him with her and Chris.
41:56Um, hearing that he had been acting this
41:59way and that things were not good
42:02between them was a huge, huge shock to
42:05me two weeks ago when she shared that
42:09because they just seemed like
42:12the perfect couple and it seemed that he
42:14adored her.
42:16But the things that he was saying like
42:18he didn't want the baby um and that they
42:22you know they ju he he he
42:25said to her that they just don't
42:29communicate well anymore
42:34and that it wasn't really anything
42:36specific that she did because we were
42:38trying to figure out because she's a
42:39really really hard worker and she we
42:42thought maybe it was because she was
42:44giving more attention
42:46to our our business than to the
42:51relationship. And we thought maybe that
42:52was it. And he said, "No, it's not
42:54that." He just But he wouldn't say what
42:57it was. She couldn't get it out of him.
43:01Chris wouldn't tell her what was wrong
43:03with the relationship
43:05as far as what she told me. That's
43:07right.
43:15She definitely seemed um she was very
43:19anxious to get home because she really
43:22wanted to get home and and see how
43:27he was doing because before she left for
43:29Arizona was when he started to come
43:32around a little and seemed like maybe he
43:34was willing to work things out.
43:37And she told him that she didn't want to
43:39go to Arizona. she wanted to stay home
43:41and work things out with him. And he
43:42said, "No, just go because she had the,
43:46you know, the kids by herself for six
43:49weeks." So, he said, "Go ahead and get
43:52away." Um, plus it was a it was a a
43:55business training, too. But, you know,
43:58it was just something he was saying, you
43:59know, go ahead and go and enjoy yourself
44:01and the training and we'll talk when you
44:03get back. So, she was really anxious to
44:07get back when all the bad weather was
44:08happening with the flights and
44:09everything. She was super nervous that
44:11she wasn't going to get back to to be
44:14able to talk with him and work things
44:15out. And she was looking forward to this
44:18coming weekend when they were supposed
44:19to go away. Do you know where they were
44:21going to go?
44:23I don't I I don't think she ever
44:25specifically told me where they were
44:27going. And if she did, I I just don't
44:29remember. She may have pulled one of the
44:30other girls. Okay.
44:41Did they say did she say what they're
44:42going to do with the kids?
44:46Um I I believe Nikki was going to watch
44:50the kids.
44:58Okay. Is there anything? I'm not 100% on
45:01that. Okay.
45:04Is there anything else that stands out
45:06to you that you think I should know
45:08about?
45:10Um, I mean that's the major stuff. I'm
45:13Is there anything that you
45:16like is there any has Do you guys have
45:19any idea what could have happened to
45:21her? Uh, as of right now, we don't.
45:27It just doesn't make any sense. Oh, I
45:30know what's really relevant. She never
45:32would have left the kids car seat, the
45:35kids, the Cece's medicine that she takes
45:38every day. She would never have gone off
45:43without it or her phone. But I the
45:46phone, you know, maybe she needed to
45:47disconnect from the world. You could say
45:48that. But she would never ever take
45:50those kids without everything that they
45:52needed. She's the best mom that I know.
45:56She's literally the most organized.
46:00You'll if you were in her house, you I'm
46:03If you were in there, you know what I'm
46:04talking about. The most organized
46:07um plan planning everything. There's no
46:12way that she would not have taken the
46:15car seats, the medicine,
46:18and
46:20you know, packed for them if they were
46:22just going to if she just was trying to
46:24get away. Okay. because I think that's
46:26what you know the other I don't I don't
46:29know what the alter what the different
46:31possibilities are but one would be that
46:33she just left and that and I and I I
46:37just can't see that being anything that
46:40she would do. Um cuz I sure you can tell
46:44how many people love her. Um but I don't
46:48think that that's I know that she
46:49wouldn't leave their the kids the
46:51children's things. I just know. There's
46:54no way.
46:56Best mom. Best freaking mom. And he's,
47:00you know, he's been always been a great
47:02dad. Like, this is why this is just so
47:06um it's just so alarming. I I don't even
47:11know.
47:12I don't even know what to say. I just
47:15hope that we find her.
47:18Well, we're doing everything we can to
47:21locate her.
47:23Okay. So, has she officially been I know
47:25that there was like the talk of it needs
47:27to be 24 hours of being missing. Are we
47:30are we past that and actually filing a
47:33missing person's and so we've we've been
47:36investigating it since we got the call.
47:39Uhhuh. So, um and we're going to
47:41continue to investigate it. So it the 24
47:46hours is kind of irrelevant because we
47:48are investigating it. Um Okay. We're
47:51just trying to track down she you have
47:53no idea where she may
47:57go to.
48:00No, because the only place that I would
48:02the the only person that she really
48:05confided
48:07in was that lives there. I live in
48:09Maryland. Um the only person that's
48:12local that she confided confided in that
48:15I know of is Nikki. Okay. So if and
48:19Nikki was the one that dropped her off
48:20from the airport. So if she was if she
48:23was needing to get out, she wouldn't go
48:26call anybody else at 2 3 4 in the
48:29morning other than Nikki because Nikki's
48:31already up, right? So the but and and
48:35other than that, I mean, I I don't know
48:37where she would go because do you know
48:40if she had a lot of Do you know if she
48:43has a lot of friends outside of your
48:45guys's business here?
48:48She does not. Um
48:53she has the thing about it is she
48:56they've lived in Colorado for a while
48:59but not a super long time to where
49:01they've created a lot of friends. So
49:05most of the people that she is friends
49:08with has been
49:10um through our
49:14business. Okay.
49:17So, I'm not sure how long they've lived
49:19in Colorado. She They're definitely not
49:21like new to Colorado or anything, but I
49:23know when we were planning she and I
49:25planned a big um event there for our
49:28company and the I I remember her saying
49:33like, "I just don't
49:36have a lot of people here." Like, her
49:38people are back in North Carolina where
49:40she's, you know, originally from. She
49:42knows people through the school. She's
49:44got a friend, Amanda.
49:46um who used to be the um director at the
49:51kids school. Um she's friends, she does
49:54a lot of playdates with different moms,
49:57but it's no it's not close friendships.
50:01It's just um you know, playdates and
50:04that kind of thing. And then there's um
50:07another friend, Karen. Um Karen
50:12Karen actually was with us in Arizona,
50:14too, but she's not one of our close
50:16friends. So, we didn't really talk about
50:18we didn't not we didn't talk about the
50:20Chris situation at all with Karen
50:23because she she just didn't know. Okay.
50:27She lives in Colorado, too. I'm sorry,
50:30in Arizona with us. But yes, Karen lives
50:32in Colorado.
50:35Um but no close friendships. Um,
50:37Christina is one of Shannan's best
50:40friends, but she lives in Hawaii. Okay.
50:49If you hear from Shannan at all, um,
50:55try and figure out where she's at, let
50:56her know that we're looking for her and
50:58for her to call us and that she's not in
51:00any trouble or anything. Um, and if you
51:03do hear from her, I want you to call us
51:04as well. Well, you can just call that
51:06number that uh you've been calling that
51:08we plan phone tag on that dispatch
51:11number. Um you can just call that cuz
51:15that that number is answered 24/7.
51:18Okay. So, uh just continue to call that
51:21number with any information.
51:23Um okay. If anything else comes to mind,
51:27give us a call. Um something does come
51:29to mind. Um Chris told me that the
51:32neighbor has a uh security camera that
51:37is pointed like to their house.
51:41Okay. So that security camera he Chris
51:44had said that he that they I don't know
51:46who he meant by they. I don't know if he
51:47meant you guys or he and the neighbor,
51:50but he said that there was no sign of
51:53her coming or going
51:56per that video surveillance. So there
51:58could be, you know, something that's on
52:01there that's definitely important and
52:03relevant if you don't have that already.
52:05Okay.
52:10All right. If you can think of anything
52:12else, just give us a give us a call.
52:15Okay. Thank you for um Thank you so much
52:19for being on top of this. If you need
52:22anything, give me a call. Okay, we'll
52:24do. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Bye
52:26bye. Hey, Addy, spell your last name for
52:29me. It's It's Maloney. M O L O N Y.
52:35Okie dokie. I appreciate it. And this is
52:38your cell phone number,

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