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0:19[Music]
0:28for
0:30[Music]
0:36this young Minister has been accused of
0:38child sexual abuse he's an outstanding
0:41member of the community widely respected
0:44and well-liked he has no criminal record
0:47of any sort is he guilty you decide I
0:52was a youth Minister and assistant
0:54Minister um it was a rather small
0:57congregation for our community around
0:59around 200 to 300 people at best 300 and
1:04um I I feel the needs of an of an
1:07assistant pastor uh an associate
1:09Minister a deacon uh and the highest
1:12being Elder Pastor uh and working with
1:15the with the Youth of the
1:18congregation he was a kid at church
1:22underprivileged he came in with a group
1:25of uh of other
1:26children and I reached out and tried to
1:29help him as no one else would and just
1:32like the kids that normally uh that
1:34normally are under privileged they try
1:36to take advantage of people who who who
1:39help him uh obviously he has a lot of
1:42disturbances mental problems I think he
1:44if you'll look in his records he was
1:46even uhu in a mental institution for
1:48three years before uh before um coming
1:51to church he's before being in the boy's
1:53home he has a criminal record anyway yes
1:56I think ministers are victimized by
1:58false reports the they have a very
2:01sensitive job um they are out there
2:05working with people constantly on a
2:07they're alone many times
2:09unsupervised uh the only
2:12person uh with them of course would be
2:14the minister and the child or the
2:15minister and the uh accusing victim if
2:18you will uh so who's to who's to say
2:21that the minister didn't do it most most
2:2420 80% of the time I would say uh the
2:28victim is believed more than the
2:29minister
2:31and it's because of all the heightened
2:35heightened hoopla over victims and all
2:38that stuff it's ridiculous ministers uh
2:42too much are are victimized themselves
2:44for their kind Deeds people want to get
2:47money out of them if they're a little
2:49bit successful then their entire
2:51reputation is shot they go back into the
2:52ministry and no one may they may say
2:55that they trust them and they're never
2:57totally trusted
2:58again their entire uh education work
3:03whatever they've gone through for years
3:04has gone down the drain never to be
3:06fully restored never to be fully
3:15recapacitar discouraging I have uh I
3:18have spent two years in
3:20seminary I am the youngest uh Deacon of
3:24the Methodist
3:26Church in the in in the state
3:30and it's Absolut all of that prior
3:33effort and work my entire life dream the
3:35hopes of my
3:37parents is now being
3:40questioned I only hope God deals
3:42mercifully with
3:44them what's the truth was he falsely
3:47accused as he claims you have told I had
3:50uh 53 Hands-On definite victims uh and
3:54there are uh 40 uh 42 other ones that
3:58can be questioned questioned as far as
4:01uh age and so forth is concerned they I
4:05have 53 minor victims okay um there's
4:09been a tremendous increase in child
4:11sexual abuse reports in the last decade
4:14some of the accused have been highly
4:15respected members of the community many
4:18people wonder whether such respectable
4:20citizens could be child abusers this
4:23film will explore this whole issue can
4:25you tell if someone is a child molester
4:27by their standing in the community how
4:30well you know them or how aggressively
4:32they deny it in fact did you molest
4:35Mikey yes I did I molested yes I
4:39molested Mikey uh on um numerous
4:43occasions throughout a three-year period
4:46from the time beginning at 9 until he
4:48was 12 years old um Mike um I knew
4:53Michael before he began coming to the
4:55congregation where I attended um he was
4:59I worked
5:00many times with the uh people in his
5:02area uh with with problem children um as
5:05a younger as an older teenager I would
5:08go out and uh and assist people um in
5:12the in the boys homes and so forth that
5:14for little small things like uh baseball
5:17games softball Games Etc and as a matter
5:20of fact I chose him because he was as a
5:23victim because he was a problem child
5:26because uh people neglected him and
5:29often times pushed him mide and I knew
5:30it would be easy for me to to get close
5:33to him uh to
5:36uh be his friend if you will and then
5:40again I also knew if he told that there
5:43would be little or
5:45uh small amounts of belief in him no one
5:48would believe him basically if he was if
5:50he told and in fact they didn't uh when
5:53when when he did tell and uh when it
5:56became um a bigger issue uh when I was
5:59in investigated the uh the the head of
6:02the Department of of my County told me
6:05he say you have nothing to worry about
6:06he said we can tell from the very
6:08beginning that this is all you know a
6:10big scheme and it was it was dropped
6:11almost as quickly as it came about I was
6:14caught twice before I was incar
6:17incarcerated
6:18um really it wasn't um being caught it
6:22was I was told on twice before being
6:24incarcerated they were not believe the
6:26first two times uh I had I had many
6:28people uh coun uh counselors um church
6:33leaders leaders of the community to come
6:36up and stand in my defense several times
6:39in uh in those occasions um and it was
6:43it was simply just totally disbelieved
6:45even the even the second time it was it
6:47was more stood out against him the first
6:49time because they thought well here he
6:50goes again this this this young man
6:52trying to help unfortunate children and
6:55they're turning against him and I was
6:57even told as much to say I had a I had a
7:00minister come to me and tell me he said
7:02he said uh Patrick what's going
7:05on is you'll run across it many times
7:08people you try to help will stab you in
7:10the back he said roll with the punches
7:12stick with it you're doing a good job he
7:14said uh and in the end you'll be blessed
7:16for
7:18it what about this next man is he in
7:21denial or is he an innocent man accused
7:23of adult rape to back up his claim of
7:27Innocence Roger took and passed a
7:30polygraph no I didn't do this I did a
7:33job at this lady's house a couple of
7:35months ago and during the process of
7:38working she came out and served us
7:40drinks she was friendly uh she was
7:43wearing really short shorts and well I I
7:47thought she looked nice she smiled a lot
7:50and uh I thought she even winked at me
7:52once and uh we talked some and she had a
7:57there was a motorcycle at the house for
7:58sale and I went to look at it and this
8:00is like a couple of months after the job
8:03and she remembered me she was alone
8:05except for her baby and uh he was in bed
8:09and uh we talked a little we talked
8:12about the
8:13motorcycle uh I came on to her but she
8:16didn't say no uh I kissed her we made
8:19out a little bit and one thing led to
8:21another and we were in the bedroom we
8:22had sex her next door neighbor came in
8:24the house and uh I guess he wanted to
8:28know who was there and on my car out
8:30front uh I understand that they're
8:32friends but she panicked at that point
8:35when he came in I guess she thought he
8:36would tell her husband and she screamed
8:38rape I didn't know what else to do but
8:40run I was scared Roger eventually
8:43confessed that what really happened was
8:46very different from what you just heard
8:48here is what actually
8:51transpired the victim was 23 years old
8:55she was a
8:57housewife um I gained access to the home
9:00knowing that there was a motorcycle
9:01there for sale so I went there during
9:04the daytime knowing she would be home
9:07the husband would be at work I had done
9:09a job there two months
9:13prior and knowing that I knew a lot
9:16about them doing the job for them I
9:19knocked on the front
9:21door she answered the door and I said I
9:24came to see about the motorcycle for
9:26sale uh I looked for signs of
9:29recognition she didn't seem to recognize
9:31me I had had a beard before and I was
9:33shaved and she told me to step around
9:37back on the patio that was around there
9:39and I walked around there and she met me
9:42out there and the back door was open and
9:45she turned around turned her back to me
9:47to take the cover off the motorcycle and
9:50that's when I I grabbed her well I
9:52grabbed her from behind and in my haste
9:55I dropped the knife that I had in my
9:57hand I was going to use that as a SC
9:59scare tactic because it didn't fit
10:02my it didn't fit my Mo I I had convinced
10:07myself that as long as I don't harm this
10:08person there's no real harm done and so
10:13she backed against me kicked back
10:15against me and I fell and but I wouldn't
10:18let her go and I held on to her and I
10:20threw her down with me and we fell
10:22through the back door into the living
10:23room and that's when I I got on top of
10:27her I wrestled her down put my hand over
10:29her mouth and told her not to scream
10:31that I was going to let her up but if
10:33she did scream I'd kill
10:35her I used fear as a weapon I all I just
10:39I knew already that as long as she was
10:41afraid that I would kill her even though
10:44I wouldn't she would do what I told her
10:45to and she did and I then forced her
10:49into her
10:51bedroom uh I raped her in the in the
10:56vagina three times three different
10:59different times I raped her in the mouth
11:01with my penis once I raped her in the
11:02anus with my finger uh
11:05once and
11:08afterward I gave I asked her if she had
11:10a knife and she said yes and she was
11:12real scared at that point I I could see
11:15that she thought I was probably going to
11:16kill her she had a child in the house
11:1818-month old boy I had her I made her
11:21put him to bed prior to all of this in
11:24his bedroom uh and he
11:27slept uh
11:29I forced her in the kitchen made her get
11:31out the butcher knife and she handed it
11:33to me and I said no it's not for me
11:35that's for that's for you I want you to
11:36stabbed me with that knife and I grabbed
11:39the blade and put the point of it right
11:42in my solar plexus my sternum I said I
11:44want you to push it real hard and when I
11:46close my eyes and uh so she started
11:50crying and she said that she couldn't do
11:52that she couldn't kill me she just it
11:54wasn't in her to kill someone and then I
11:57got angry uh because cuz I had planned
11:59on suicide that day and I was angry
12:02because she wouldn't do it and I didn't
12:04have the courage to do it myself and so
12:07I screamed at her and I told her well
12:09you'd better do it because if you don't
12:10I'm going to use it on you and I thought
12:12I could scare her into doing it she
12:14still wouldn't do it her baby started
12:17crying she left went and got him came
12:20back in the room and and then I broke
12:23down and cried I was crying for myself I
12:25was feeling sorry for me I didn't weren
12:27even thinking about her
12:31I would do kind and generous things for
12:36people um I would give uh families money
12:40that did not have uh any money that was
12:42not from the church treasury it was from
12:44my own personal uh bank accounts I would
12:47uh support them in all the ways that I
12:49could uh talk to them encourage them I
12:52would go to nursing homes uh talk with
12:56the elderly pray with the elderly I
12:59would uh do community service projects
13:01pick up litter off the side of the road
13:04um I would mow the mow The Lawns for
13:07elderly and handicapped people go
13:09grocery shopping for them um I would do
13:14activities that were centered around the
13:16things that young people like to do not
13:18the things that t tend to happen in
13:20churches which are boring and dull it
13:22was actually very exciting for them and
13:24they enjoyed it and our youth group grew
13:26it was definitely to cover up what I had
13:29uh what I had been doing the it seemed
13:31the more I would get into my deviancy
13:33the more I would try to do that was good
13:35in the eyes of everyone else and indeed
13:37in the eyes of everyone else I was a
13:39good kid um grew up making good grades
13:42in school went to a nice College um all
13:45of that just added to to the double
13:47life the double life like so many sex
13:51offenders Patrick worked hard at making
13:53people think he was not the kind of
13:56person who would commit a sexual offense
13:58the church was not an accidental choice
14:00of a place to hide Patrick felt that
14:03people in the church were very generous
14:05in their opinions of others and to use
14:08that to his
14:10Advantage I consider people that go to
14:12church glal uh because they have a trust
14:16that comes from being Christians um and
14:18other
14:19people they tend to be better folks all
14:23around and um they seem to want to
14:26believe in the good that exists in all
14:29people I consider people
14:33uh wanting to believe that these kind of
14:36things don't happen that children don't
14:38be the children shouldn't be molested
14:41and that it doesn't happen and it really
14:43doesn't happen in my community and in my
14:45church and because of that it was easy
14:48for me to convince them all the more
14:51with my uh Good Deeds that I had done
14:55with the uh actions that I had Pres
14:58presented the members of the
15:00congregation um I think that
15:05um that that they want to
15:08believe in in people and because of that
15:13you can easily convince uh with with or
15:16without convincing words they said well
15:20we know this young man he has been in
15:22our community all of his life we know
15:24his parents his grandparents his aunts
15:27his uncles this is not something that he
15:29would do this is not something that goes
15:31along with behavior that we see him in
15:34day in and day out and that was true
15:37because I was very careful that they did
15:39not see that behavior day in and day out
15:42most of my uh deviant Behavior happened
15:44at nighttime uh and behind the scenes
15:47away and Far From Any important people
15:51uh who could make those kinds of of
15:55judgments that yes indeed Patrick is the
15:58kind of person person who would go
15:59around molesting
16:01children Roger too felt that he had led
16:04a double
16:05life I think people are very easy to
16:09fool the government's been doing it
16:13forever what why do you think they're so
16:15easy to
16:17fool because people want to believe in
16:22something
16:24and they want to Hope and they want to
16:27believe
16:29they want to there's something inside of
16:31people that makes them want to believe
16:32or want to believe the best in things
16:35and the best in others because the
16:38alternative is not very
16:40nice if I wanted to fool people what
16:43advice would you give me how what's the
16:45best way to do it how how do I act what
16:48do I do to be
16:51polite um to be kind to show
16:56kindness uh especially in in public and
17:00where there are more than one
17:02present uh put this facade on constantly
17:05you wear it like clothes every
17:09day and you smile even when you don't
17:12want to smile you don't feel like
17:16smiling when you're hurting inside you
17:18you push that down and you smile anyway
17:22and you're polite you're kind and you
17:24say the right things you say the things
17:26that you think people want to hear
17:30that you would like to
17:32[Music]
17:33hear you exercise that
17:37sympathy the men in this film are all
17:40incarcerated sex offenders and
17:42interviewing men for this project over
17:44and over I heard the same stories they
17:47each had numerous victims they were
17:49often caught many times before the
17:51offense for which they were finally
17:53incarcerated and their victims had not
17:55been believed most ended up in prison
17:58only because some corroborating evidence
18:00was found such as pornographic pictures
18:02of a child or because they eventually
18:04confessed routinely these sex offenders
18:07talked about how they set up and lived a
18:09double life a life that covered up their
18:12deviate activities when caught they
18:14often denied aggressively and often they
18:17found it surprisingly easy to fool
18:20people Wayne has been incarcerated twice
18:23for child molestation the first
18:25incarceration was for raping an
18:278-year-old girl he tore her vagina so
18:31severely she had to be taken to the
18:33hospital how many victims do I have
18:36total I believe it's 12 okay and I have
18:41to really sit down and and and think
18:42about
18:43that most of my victims are
18:46girlfriend children okay why did nothing
18:50come of it when the children
18:52told well
18:54um like one of my victims she was she
18:57was rather Wild
18:59and it's a to have a victim like that
19:01it's very easy to make Liars out of them
19:03because they don't want to tell what
19:04they've been doing to start with you
19:06know it's kind of like if you tell on me
19:07I'll tell on
19:10you did you find people easy or hard to
19:14fool it depends on whether they care or
19:16not you know if if people in general
19:20they're going to think what they want to
19:22think and that's just basically all
19:25there is to it I mean if they want to
19:27think bad you they're going to think bad
19:29of you if they hear something bad of you
19:30and they kind of believe it they're
19:32going to believe it and if they don't
19:33they
19:34don't and something like that it's hard
19:37to believe in the business I was in you
19:40know uh this guy works around children
19:42all the time if he was molesting
19:44children you
19:45know there's no way you couldn't get
19:47caught what was your business I was
19:50night manager of grocery store I was in
19:52a public lot I led a double life I mean
19:56the store was I was entirely different
19:57person
19:59the
20:01U maybe not so much an attitude of the
20:03way I acted but I can honestly be me you
20:07know I could be a a a productive person
20:11and a a decent person in the community
20:14it was a place where I could say I'm a
20:15decent person you know when I went home
20:17I had to face this again you know I'm
20:19not a decent person I'm an indecent
20:21person I do in moral
20:23things it was like you know and you get
20:26at work for me if I got at work you know
20:28I loved work I loved to stay at work
20:30because I didn't have to go back home
20:31and face my real self when I was first
20:36asked the question when she first asked
20:38me the question if I did molest her and
20:42it was like electricity running through
20:44my body you know it's like being really
20:46I just really got nervous so basically
20:49was to get over the nervousness because
20:50that's the first Telltale sign you know
20:52is being really nervous and perspiring
20:55and such as that uh Quivers in my voice
20:58as is right now wouldn't be you know I
21:01would have worked through that already
21:04it was basically you know if the guy
21:06really didn't care it was kind of like
21:07an adult conversation you know like you
21:10know come on guy you know I'm not going
21:11to do anything like that you know me if
21:13I was talking to somebody I
21:15knew and uh I would use my job you know
21:18look I've been around children all my
21:20life you know
21:24uh if I was going to molest a child
21:26don't you think I'd pick a child outside
21:27my home and not have it in my home with
21:31me all the
21:32time how do I fool
21:35people hard one you know I
21:37I I guess I
21:41don't don't really know how F just stare
21:44them straight in the eye and just tell
21:46them just answer their questions when
21:48they ask you basically is not to be
21:50nervous and to look someone in the eye
21:53if you can get to grasp to look someone
21:55in the eye because that's you know you
21:56that's something that's driven in your
21:57head head all your life if somebody
21:59looks in your eye you know they're
22:00telling you the truth so if you can
22:03stare someone in the eye and tell them a
22:04lie they'll they're going to say you
22:06know the guy didn't even blink he didn't
22:08look away he he's pretty straight here
22:11plus you know he's he's pretty good in
22:13the community he's uh worked at this
22:16store 12 15 years or he's worked at his
22:19business 12 15 years and you
22:22know basically if you can stay calm and
22:26look whoever it is in the eye and
22:28especially if the mother of the victim
22:29or the or the victim there if the victim
22:32is anywhere that you can look at her and
22:35make her nervous or him whichever one it
22:37might be the more nervous that you make
22:40them the more it makes it seem like
22:41they're L if they're around you know
22:44most of the time they're not just a
22:47simple look to a child is traumatizing
22:50you believe it or not it really is
22:52especially if the adult is molesting the
22:56child if this one had gone G to court do
22:58you believe you would have been
22:59convicted or do you believe that a jury
23:02would have taken your word over the
23:04child's in my mind in my mind I probably
23:08would think that uh I would have gotten
23:11away with it because I could sit there
23:14and if she was in the courtroom which
23:16sometimes they do you know they do bring
23:18them in sometimes and sometimes they
23:19don't and I know when we went to the U
23:22the hearing she wouldn't even come in
23:24the courtroom and when she did come in
23:26when she looked at me I just look back
23:28at her and I really didn't even give her
23:30any kind of insinuation with my look you
23:33know I just just basically looked at
23:35her and uh she went right back out of
23:38the
23:39courtroom and if we had went to the
23:41court you know if we had went to court
23:43and we both had been in the courtroom at
23:44the same time then I could have made her
23:47nervous enough to make her lie or make
23:49her stumble to make people think she was
23:52lying sometimes the sex offenders
23:55themselves are taken aback by the denial
23:57of other people
23:58the next offender was a sadistic sex
24:00offender who was sexually aroused by
24:02pain and suffering he often severely
24:04beat his stepson as well as molested him
24:07even he was surprised by the reaction of
24:10a nurse at the emergency room when his
24:12son tried to blow the whistle on him uh
24:15I took him to the hospital on a number
24:17of different occasions uh recall one
24:20occasions I I beat him up very
24:22bad and uh I took him to the hospital
24:25and they asked me what happened and I
24:26told him that he fell down a FL of
24:28stairs and my wife was with me and we
24:31didn't have no stairs in the house uh my
24:35wife stood there and looked at me like
24:36are you crazy
24:39uh my son said we don't have stairs and
24:43the nurse told my son to be quiet that
24:46she's not talking to him she's talking
24:48to me and she asked me to just go ahead
24:51and continue relay giving her the
24:53information and I continued to tell her
24:55that he had fallen down a flight of
24:57stairs at home uh bumped into the wall
25:00and hit the rail uh she asked how many
25:02stairs it was I told her about 10 or 12
25:04stairs that he had fallen down and
25:07that's how he got himself hurt and
25:08bruised up and she said okay and that's
25:11the way the hospital report went it was
25:14reported only to my wife uh six or seven
25:19well I take it back it was reported to
25:20my wife and my
25:22parents uh probably six seven different
25:25times uh and there was actually one
25:28instance where I went to the police
25:29station myself to turn my turn myself in
25:33and the police day the officer at the
25:35desk told me to go home and sleep off my
25:37drunk and I left uh if it wasn't for the
25:40fact that they had found my landlord had
25:42found some pornographic pictures of my
25:44son in the Attic of the home where we
25:47were living I would probably still be
25:51molesting why wasn't your son
25:56believed I made up stories about him uh
26:01and there was a lot
26:03of belief that the adults were to be
26:07believed and stepchildren weren't that
26:10this was a problem with uh him and I not
26:13getting
26:15along and that's a lot of the reason
26:18that people didn't believe what was
26:19happening didn't believe
26:21him I think General Society is easy to
26:25form uh
26:28extremely easy to fool and I would say
26:31that I say that because of how long I
26:33have fooled society and how long I've
26:35fooled
26:36people I've been fooling people for well
26:38over 25 years and people have believed
26:41what I told them in this period of time
26:45when you were when you said you were a
26:47molesting monster at home what were you
26:50like in terms of
26:51control controlling people in terms of
26:54violence what was really going on in
26:56your house that people didn't know all
26:57about
27:02uh what people didn't know about going
27:04on in my home was uh a lot of extreme
27:07violence beating my son up uh beating my
27:11wife up if my wife wouldn't have sex
27:13with me when I wanted it where I or how
27:15I wanted it I would beat her up and then
27:18rape her after I'd beat her I had beat
27:20my son into
27:22unconsciousness a number of times
27:25uh and then I would keep your sometimes
27:28kept locked up in the house until his
27:30bruises healed up keeping him away from
27:33school keeping him away from his
27:35friends nobody around me
27:38knew what I was doing nobody around my
27:42community knew that I was such a violent
27:44individual in the home if they did they
27:46never said anything but I don't believe
27:48they ever knew because I was completely
27:51in totally different outside of the
27:53house once I left the
27:56home there There Is No
27:59Boundaries let me rephrase that there
28:01was no boundaries for
28:03me no place was off
28:07limits no time was off
28:09limits and no set of circumstances was
28:12off
28:14limits at any time that I saw an
28:17opportunity to get what I wanted which
28:19was to rape or
28:21molest I took advantage of that there
28:24were times that I raped in in a car with
28:28the parents in the front seat me in the
28:30back seat with the children the child
28:35would would feel such a bond of trust
28:39that the child would decide okay I'd
28:42like to go to sleep I'd manipulate the
28:45child in Laying across the seat and
28:48molest the child with my hand on his
28:50penis by forcing my hand on his penis
28:53while the uh parents were in the front
28:56seat
28:58um there were other times that I
29:00molested and raped while at work where I
29:04simply manipulated the child into coming
29:07into my
29:08office and I just very simply locked the
29:12door
29:14and and proceeded to do what I wanted to
29:17do which was to rap the
29:19child um my my
29:23nephew I raped him for a period of n
29:27years raped and molest him for a period
29:29of over 9
29:31years and very few
29:35cases did I rape him in which no one was
29:38in the
29:40house I
29:41have 11 male rape victims I have one m
29:46one female rape victim and I have
29:51approximately
29:52and
29:541,250 male molest victims
29:59there is a myth in this culture and a
30:01powerful one the people can tell if
30:03other people are lying by the way they
30:05act Liars people think act nervous they
30:09can't look people in the eye sex
30:11offenders know better they make it their
30:13business to trade on other people's
30:15myths they look people in the eye they
30:18use fluid hand gestures they deny
30:20vigorously and
30:22aggressively and what's more they often
30:24do kind and generous things for others
30:26as a cover for the Deviant activities
30:29there were many children these people in
30:32this film molested who reported them but
30:35they were simply not believed we will
30:38never deal effectively with the problem
30:40of sexual aggression if we do not first
30:43find examine and deal with the myths we
30:46use to make ourselves feel
30:54[Music]
30:56safe
30:59[Music]
31:12[Music]
31:56for

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