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0:00[Music]
0:02this is a global tail link prepaid call
0:06[Music]
0:08from an inmate at a Maryland
0:11Correctional Facility it's from This
0:14American Life in wbe Chicago it's serial
0:17one story told week by week I'm Sarah
0:20[Music]
0:25kanig for the last year I've spent every
0:28working day trying to figure out where a
0:30high school kid was for an hour after
0:32school one day in 1999 or if you want to
0:35get technical about it and apparently I
0:36do where a high school kid was for 21
0:39minutes after school one day in
0:411999 this search sometimes feels
0:44undignified on my part I've had to ask
0:46about teenagers sex lives where how
0:48often with whom about notes they passed
0:51in class about their drug habits their
0:52relationships with their parents and I
0:54am not a detective or a private
0:56investigator not even a crime reporter
0:59but yes every every day this year I've
1:00tried to figure out The Alibi of a
1:0217-year-old boy before I get into why
1:05I've been doing this I just want to
1:06point out something I'd never really
1:08thought about before I started working
1:09on this story and that is it's really
1:12hard to account for your time in a
1:13detailed way I mean how'd you get to
1:15work last Wednesday for instance Drive
1:18walk bike was it raining are you sure
1:22did you go to any stores that day if so
1:24what did you buy who did you talk to the
1:26entire day name every person you talk to
1:30it's hard now imagine you have to
1:32account for a day that happened 6 weeks
1:34back cuz that's a situation in the story
1:36I'm working on in which a bunch of
1:38teenagers had to recall a day 6 weeks
1:40earlier and it was 1999 so they had to
1:42do it without the benefit of texts or
1:44Facebook or Instagram just for a lark I
1:47asked some teenagers to try it do you
1:48remember what you did on that Friday
1:51no not not at all I can't remember
1:55anything Wait nothing no I can't
1:58remember anything that far back
2:01I'm pretty I'm pretty I'm pretty sure I
2:02was in school I think no that's Tyler
2:06he's 18 I asked my nephew Sam he's 18
2:10too not clue uh in school probably I
2:13would be in school
2:16um actually I think I worked that day no
2:19yeah I worked that day and I went to
2:21school I was about it actually on second
2:24thought I don't think I went to school
2:25that day you don't think you went yeah
2:28no I didn't I definitely didn't here's
2:30Sam's friend Elliot he seemed to have
2:32better recall actually I may have gone
2:34to the movies that night later do you
2:37remember what you saw I'm thinking I'm
2:39sorry yeah I think I saw 22 jum Street
2:41okay and what did you go with friends
2:44yes I went with Sam and kid Sean Carter
2:49a bunch of people wait you Sam my my
2:52nephew Sam yeah yeah oh okay so Sam says
2:56he was at work oh then it wasn't that
2:58night then
3:01one kid did actually remember pretty
3:03well because it was the last day of
3:04State Testing at his school and he'd
3:06saved up to go to a nightclub that's the
3:09main thing I learned from this exercise
3:11which was no big shocker I guess is that
3:13if some significant event happened that
3:15day you remember that plus you remember
3:17the entire day much better if nothing
3:20significant happened then the answers
3:22get very general I most likely did this
3:24or I most likely did that these are
3:26words I've heard a lot
3:28lately here's here the case I've been
3:30working on almost 15 years ago on
3:33January 13th 1999 a girl named hymon Lee
3:37disappeared she was a senior at Woodland
3:39High School in Baltimore County in
3:40Maryland she was Korean she was smart
3:43and beautiful and cheerful and a great
3:44athlete she played field hockey in
3:46Lacrosse and she was responsible right
3:49after school she was supposed to pick up
3:51her little cousin from kindergarten and
3:53drop her home but she didn't show that's
3:56when Haley's family knew something was
3:57up when the cousin school called
4:00about a month later on February 9th
4:02Hay's body was found in a big Park in
4:04Baltimore really a rambling Forest a
4:07maintenance guy who said he'd stopped to
4:09take a leak on his way to work
4:10discovered her there he'd notice a bit
4:12of her black hair poking out of a
4:13shallow
4:15grave the cause of death was manual
4:17strangulation meaning someone did it
4:19with their
4:20hands a couple weeks after that so 6
4:23weeks after she first went missing Hay's
4:25ex-boyfriend a guy named Adnan Sayed was
4:28arrested for her murder
4:30he's been in prison ever
4:37since I first heard about this story
4:39more than a year ago when I got an email
4:40from a woman named Robia chowri Robia
4:43knows Adnan pretty well her younger
4:45brother sad is adan's best friend and
4:48they believe he's innocent Robbie was
4:50writing to me because way back when I
4:52used to be a reporter for the Baltimore
4:53son and she'd come across some stories
4:55I'd written about a well-known defense
4:57attorney in Baltimore who'd been
4:59disbarred for mishandling client money
5:02that attorney was the same person who
5:04defended Adan her last major trial in
5:06fact Robia told me she thought the
5:09attorney botched the case not just
5:11botched it actually but threw the case
5:12on purpose so she could get more money
5:14for the appeal the lawyer had died a few
5:16years later she'd been sick Robbie asked
5:19if I would please just take a look at
5:21adan's case I don't get emails like this
5:24every day so I thought sure why not I
5:26read a few newspaper clips about the
5:27case looked up a few trial records and
5:29on paper the case was like a
5:31Shakespearean mashup young lovers from
5:34different worlds thwarting their
5:35families secret assignations jealousy
5:38suspicion and honor B smirched the
5:40villain not a Moore exactly but a Muslim
5:42all the same and a final Act of
5:45murderous revenge in the main stage a
5:47regular old high school across the
5:49street from a
5:517-Eleven hi are you Robia hi am I saying
5:54your name correctly Robia okay I went to
5:57go see Robia she was surrounded by paper
6:00files loose Stacks binders some crappy
6:02looking boxes all court documents and
6:04attorney's files from adan's case some
6:07of the papers were warped and discolored
6:09why do they look wet they look wet these
6:11have been yeah these have been damaged
6:12because these she explained that it was
6:13because the boxes had been in her car on
6:15and off for 15 years Robbie is a lawyer
6:19herself she mostly does immigration
6:20stuff her office takes up the corner of
6:22a much larger open space that I think is
6:25a Pakistani travel agency though it's
6:27hard to tell it's in this little strip
6:29mall across a parking lot there's a new
6:31Pakistani restaurant an African
6:33Evangelical Church an Indian clothing
6:35shop a convenience store on the sidewalk
6:37outside I found a teeny weeny bag of
6:39marijuana Baltimore county is like this
6:42at least on the west side it's where a
6:43lot of middle class and workingclass
6:45people go many immigrants included to
6:47get their kids out of the badass City
6:49though the badass city is close by
6:51Robbie is 40 she's short and she's got a
6:53beautiful round face framed by hijab
6:56she's adorable looking but you
6:57definitely shouldn't mess with her she's
6:59very very smart and very tough and she
7:01could crush you her brother sad was at
7:03Robbie's office too the first time I
7:05went He's 33 mortgage broker more
7:07laidback than Ria they told me about
7:10Adnan Sayed their friend not just a good
7:13kid but an especially good kid smart
7:16kind goofy handsome so that when he's
7:18arrested for murder so many people who
7:21knew him were stunned he was like The
7:23community's Golden Child oh really talk
7:25more about that um he was an honor rooll
7:27student volunteer EMT he was like on the
7:30football team he was a star star uh
7:34runner on the track team he was uh the
7:37homecoming King he led prayers at the
7:40mosque uh so he was yeah he everybody
7:44knew Adan to be you know somebody who's
7:47going to do something really big I later
7:48fact checked all these accolades of
7:50course and learned that Robia was mostly
7:52right though she sometimes gets a little
7:53Loosey Goosey with the details Adnan was
7:56an EMT but he didn't volunteer he was
7:58paid for it he was on the track team but
8:00he wasn't a star he did play football
8:02and he did lead prayers on occasion he
8:05wasn't homecoming King but he was Prince
8:07of his Junior Prom and this at a high
8:09school that was majority black they
8:10picked the Pakistani Muslim kid so you
8:12get the picture he was incredibly
8:14likable and well-liked
8:16kid this conversation with Rabia and sad
8:19this is what launched me on this
8:21year-long obsession is maybe too strong
8:24a word let's say fascination with this
8:26case by the end of this hour you're
8:28going to hear different people different
8:29versions of what happened the day Haley
8:31was killed but let's start with the most
8:33important version of the story The One
8:35Robia told me first and that's the one
8:37that was presented at
8:38trial the state's case against Adan went
8:41like this he and hay had been going out
8:43since junior prom but Adan wasn't
8:45supposed to be dating at all Anan was
8:48born in the US but his parents are from
8:49Pakistan and they're conservative
8:51Muslims no drinking no smoking no girls
8:53all that sad and Robbie's parents are
8:56the same way their families are friends
8:58but even though Adnan and and sad and
8:59their buddies were Muslims they were
9:01also shall we say healthy American
9:03teenagers who were going to do what
9:04teenagers do so long as they didn't get
9:06caught so Adnan had to keep his
9:08relationship with hay secret the state
9:11used this against him in two ways first
9:14they argued he'd put everything on the
9:16line his family his relationships at the
9:18mosque to run around with this girl so
9:21that when she broke up with him 8 months
9:22later he was left with nothing and he
9:24was outraged he couldn't take it and he
9:26killed her and the second way they used
9:28it is they said look at what a liar he
9:30is how duplicitous he plays the good
9:32Muslim son at home and at the mosque but
9:34look what he was up to sad remembers the
9:37prosecutor's closing argument at trial
9:39his family didn't know that he actually
9:40drank he smoked he was having sex this
9:44was proof of bad character someone who
9:46could be a murderer but sad says if it
9:49n's guilty of anything it's of being a
9:50normal kid with immigrant parents so
9:53like the
9:54prosecution had painted aan as a totally
9:57like a bipolar or like a maniacal dual
10:01personality we all grew up with that
10:02dual personality it was forced I mean
10:04I'm the same way I was like they could
10:06paint the same thing because I was
10:08actually homecoming King which I don't
10:09know if my sister even knows she did not
10:12know so I mean I was dating a girl that
10:15was and why is homecoming King bad is
10:17that like a good thing we don't go to
10:19homecoming because it's a dance it's a
10:22dance it's a mixed gender so so I was in
10:24the same boat my parents my sister they
10:28didn't know about this at all I mean and
10:31right now 10 years more than 10 years
10:33later she's finding out you know I know
10:35I mean you know I'll admit you know on
10:38one side like my family thinks I'm a
10:39virgin but on the other hand I play you
10:41know but it's
10:43the see that like that right there I
10:46mean it's kind of making her feel
10:47uncomfortable you know she's like whoa
10:48whoa whoa so just on motive alone sad
10:51and Robbie have found the whole thing
10:53ridiculous as for physical evidence
10:55there was none nothing apart from some
10:58fingerprints in ha's car which Adan had
11:00been in many times there was nothing
11:02linking him to the crime no DNA no
11:04fibers no hairs no matching soil from
11:06the bottom of his boots instead what
11:09they had on Adan was one guy's story a
11:11guy named Jay he's the third person you
11:14need to remember in this crime story
11:15besides hey and Adnan Jay was a friend
11:18of Adnan they'd been in school together
11:20since middle school they weren't super
11:21close but they had mutual friends Jay
11:24sold weed and he had a nonm smoke
11:26together the story Jay told police had
11:28problems
11:29because it kept changing from telling to
11:31telling but they were able to bolster
11:34the main plot points using cell records
11:36from adnan's
11:37phone by the time I left Robbie's office
11:39that first day I understood only one
11:41thing clearly though maybe not the thing
11:43Robbie andad wanted me to understand but
11:46what I took away from the visit was
11:48somebody is lying here maybe Adnan
11:50really is Innocent but what if he isn't
11:53what if he did do it and he's got all
11:54these good people thinking he didn't so
11:57either it's Jay or it's Anan but someone
12:00is lying and I really wanted to figure
12:02out
12:02[Music]
12:10who in the early morning of February
12:1328th 1999 Adnan was arrested by
12:15Baltimore City detectives he was asleep
12:18in his bed when they showed up at his
12:19house they took him straight from his
12:21untidy bedroom to an interrogation room
12:23at homicide
12:24downtown what Adan didn't know is that
12:26just hours before they picked him up the
12:28cop had interviewed his friend Jay this
12:31is a taped interview of Jay black male
12:3419 years of age where at the offices of
12:37homicide specifically the Colonel's
12:39conference room the police recorded two
12:42taped interviews with Jay and I'm going
12:43to play you the second one from a couple
12:45weeks later only because the sound
12:46quality is much better just a warning
12:49that the tape is a little upsetting to
12:50hear in
12:51Parts why don't you go ahead and tell
12:54us what you know about the death of Hale
12:58okay
13:00um had uh left out went shopping with a
13:05friend of mine an ex-friend of mine ad
13:09on we had had a conversation um during
13:13the conversation he stated um that he
13:17was going to kill that [ __ ] referring
13:18to
13:19Haley
13:21uh I didn't
13:23I took it with context it didn't stand
13:26out my head any uh Jay says didn't take
13:29it too seriously the cops have him start
13:32again from the top on the morning of the
13:3413th Jay says Adan had left school and
13:36driven to Jay's house Jay had graduated
13:39from school the year before and was
13:40working but not on that day January 13th
13:43happens to be the birthday of Jay's
13:45girlfriend Stephanie and Jay who didn't
13:47have his own car needed to go buy
13:49something for her so Adan comes over
13:51according to Jay they go shopping at the
13:53mall what did you do that um he left the
13:57mall I took him to school I dropped him
14:00off in the back of the
14:02school he went up to class he left his
14:04cell phone and car with me told me he'd
14:06call me um I went back to my friend
14:10Jen's house and waited for him to call
14:12okay now at this point you know why he's
14:15leaving the car with you yes and why is
14:18that cuz he said he was going to kill
14:20Haye and the reason you have the car and
14:23the cell phone was why to pick him up
14:26from wherever he was going to do this
14:28there
14:29okay and you had talked about this while
14:33you were
14:34shopping that day the details of uh the
14:38car and all the events how they were
14:40going to plan out he he did the that day
14:43he told me yes he told me um I'm going
14:45to leave you with my cell phone and my
14:47car I need you to come get me yes after
14:51after he killed hey yes okay later that
14:53afternoon the Call Comes you receive a
14:56phone call from Adon yes on his cell
14:58phone yes which is in your possession
15:00yes and the conversation was
15:04what um that [ __ ] is dead come and get
15:08me I'm at Best Buy Jay drives to Best
15:11Buy and sees a Naan in the parking lot I
15:14notic he wasn't with him um I park next
15:16to him he asked me to get out the car I
15:18get out the car he asked me am I ready
15:20for this um and I say ready for what and
15:25he uh takes the keys he opens the trunk
15:27and all I can see is uh like his lips
15:32are all blue and she's like pretzel up
15:34in the back of the trunk and she's dead
15:36they leave the parking lot adnan's
15:38driving Hayes car with her body in the
15:40trunk Jay is driving adnan's car they
15:42ditch Hayes car at the I70 parking ride
15:45and then to hear Jay tell it they just
15:46kind of tool around Baltimore County
15:48together for a while as if nothing had
15:49happened buy some weed cruise around
15:52make some calls after a while Jay drives
15:54Adan back to woodlon high school why did
15:57you take him back to school he told me
15:59that I had to take him back to school
16:00because he needed to be seen there so he
16:05was he going to a certain event I it's
16:06practice track practice track practice
16:08yeah so he wanted an Albi yeah he wanted
16:11to be seen by the people at track yeah
16:14and you guys had discuss that he just
16:17told me that he need to be seen yeah he
16:19told me that he needed to be seen at
16:21track practice he took him back yes are
16:24you having any conversation with Adnan
16:27at time um
16:30to the effect yes don't tell
16:32anyone um he said that he couldn't
16:35believe he killed somebody with his bare
16:36hands that all the other mother
16:38[ __ ] referring to like hoods
16:40and Thugs and stuff think they're
16:41hardcore but he just killed a person
16:43with his bare hands so at this point
16:45he's bragging about it
16:49basically he was proud of
16:52it
16:54yes after track practice Jay picks a na
16:57up again they drive around more by this
17:00time ha's family was worried and they'
17:02called the police who in turn called a
17:04couple of ha's friends including Adan
17:07the call comes in on his cell the cops
17:08ask if he's seen hay or knows where she
17:10is Jay says after the call they drive to
17:13Jay's to get some shovels go retrieve
17:15ha's car from the parking ride they
17:17drive around some more and finally end
17:19up at lean Park where Adan proceeds to
17:22bury hay it's evening by now maybe 7 or
17:258 p.m. and uh he asked me if I was going
17:30to help and I told him [ __ ] no and he
17:32starts just shoveling dirt on top of
17:35him I believe leave there
17:39um
17:41uh let me stop a minute
17:44yes you helped him dig the hole
17:48yes how long did it take you both uhuh
17:52to dig the
17:53hole 20 25 minutes how deep did you make
17:56the hole oh maybe
18:006 in at the
18:01most it wasn't very deep at all who did
18:04most of the digging
18:07uh it
18:09was both of you yeah equal work I
18:13wouldn't say that but yeah okay so those
18:16are the key points Adan told Jay in
18:18advance he was going to do it he did it
18:20they buried her Jay's story wasn't just
18:23the foundation of the state's case
18:25against Adan it was the state's case
18:27against Adan and the picture Jay Drew
18:30it's cold I mean he's not describing a
18:32crime of passion here this is something
18:34much darker to methodically map out the
18:36death of your friend to strangle her
18:38with your own hands so close up like
18:40that that would mean a nan wasn't just a
18:43killer but a master liar and manipulator
18:45a psychopath
18:49[Music]
18:53probably adan's in a Maximum Security
18:56Prison in Western Maryland he calls me
18:58at my Quest about twice a week he talks
19:00to me from a Bank Of Eight payones in
19:02the wreck Hall a pretty large room where
19:04other guys are sitting at tables with
19:05metal seats attached to them playing
19:07chess or cards or using the microwave or
19:09watching TV and get a little loud
19:11sometimes once I asked if all eight
19:13phones were always occupied and he said
19:14usually not because guys who've been in
19:16for a long time often they have no one
19:18to call when I first met Adan in person
19:21I was struck by two things he was way
19:23bigger than I expected Barrel chested
19:25and tall in the photos I'd seen he was
19:27still a lanky teenager with struggling
19:29facial hair and sagging Jeans by now he
19:31was 32 he'd spent nearly half his life
19:34in prison becoming larger and properly
19:36bearded and the second thing which you
19:38can't miss about Adnan is that he has
19:40giant brown eyes like a dairy cow that's
19:43what prompts my most idiotic lines of
19:45inquiry could someone who looks like
19:47that really strangle his girlfriend
19:49idiotic I
19:50know when he first heard Jay's story of
19:53the crime Adnan didn't say well it
19:55didn't happen like that or I didn't mean
19:57for it to happen like that he said it
19:59didn't happen none of this is true at
20:02all he says he had nothing to do with
20:04Hayes murder and he doesn't know who
20:06did hey was a Nan's first serious
20:08relationship with a girl he says he
20:10loved her in the way of high school love
20:11but then also in the way of high school
20:13got over her so that when they broke up
20:15for good sometime before Christmas break
20:17of senior year he says he was sad for
20:19sure but not obsessed or anything I just
20:22sometimes wish like they could like look
20:23into my brain and see how I really felt
20:26about her and no matter what else
20:27someone would say they would see man
20:29this guy had no had no ill will towards
20:32it whatever the motivation is to kill
20:33someone I had absolutely it didn't exist
20:35in me you know what I mean no one can
20:38ever say why people can say why oh man
20:41he was mad this that or the other but no
20:42one can ever come with any type of proof
20:44or anecdote or anything to ever say that
20:48I was ever mad at her that I was ever
20:51angry with her that I ever threatened
20:53her you know that's the only thing I can
20:54really hold on to that is like my only
20:56firm handhold in this whole thing is
20:58that no one's ever been able to prove it
20:59no one ever's been able to provide any
21:01Shredder evidence that it had it had
21:03anything but friendship towards her like
21:05love and respect for her that's at the
21:07end of the day man the only thing I can
21:09ever say is man I had no reason to kill
21:11it he's adamant about this you can hear
21:13it right he's staunch the problem is
21:16when you ask Adan to go back and tell
21:18his version of what happened that day to
21:19refute Jay's story everything becomes a
21:23lot mushier yes he hung out with Jay on
21:25the 13th both during and after school
21:28but he doesn't remember exactly where
21:29they went or what they did or what time
21:31it was here's what he's got January 13th
21:35unfolded like any other day a normal
21:37mostly uneventful day he says there are
21:40a couple of things that do stand out
21:41though that day was Stephanie's birthday
21:44Stephanie was one of adan's best friends
21:46and also Jay's girlfriend Adan had
21:49gotten Stephanie a birthday present
21:51stuffed reindeer which he'd given to her
21:52in second period Miss Efron's English
21:54class and um uh one of uh it occurred to
21:59me that day that I was going to ask her
22:01boyfriend Jay did he get her a gift so
22:04sometime during the day uh before noon
22:08um wait and then just hold up for a
22:10second why sure why did you care whether
22:13Jay got Stephanie a a present like
22:15what's it to you well uh Stephanie was a
22:18very close friend of mine as I mentioned
22:20and it was just uh I just kind of wanted
22:23to make sure that she also got a gift
22:26from him you know she had mentioned to
22:27me that um she was looking forward to
22:29getting a gift from him she mentioned
22:31she was really happy to get the gift
22:33that I gave her so it just as I would
22:35with any friend I just kind of uh we
22:39know went to check on that I kind of had
22:40a feeling that maybe he didn't get her a
22:42gift and I had free periods during
22:45school so it wasn't like you know it it
22:47was not abnormal for me to leave school
22:49to go do something and then come
22:52back so I went to his house and I and I
22:56asked him you know did you happen to get
22:59a present for a Stephanie he said no so
23:01I said if you want to you can you can
23:03drop me back off to school you can
23:05borrow my car and uh you can go to the
23:07mall get her a gift or whatever and just
23:09come uh pick me up after track practice
23:12that day so then what
23:14happened well then uh when school was
23:18over I would have went to the library I
23:20know that I usually check well I didn't
23:22usually check but if I was going to
23:23check my email it would be at the using
23:25the library computer you know sometimes
23:27I would go there
23:29because um track practice didn't start
23:31until around maybe 3:00 or 3:30ish so it
23:35didn't start right after school so there
23:37was a period of time of almost like an
23:39hour hour and a change um you know that
23:42was kind of free
23:43time this hour and change after school
23:46this is the crucial window this is the
23:49time when the state says hay was killed
23:52school got out at 2:15 people remember
23:54seeing her after her last class heading
23:56to her car according to J's story and
23:59the cell phone records she was dead by
24:012:36
24:02p.m. so sometime in those 21 minutes
24:05between 2:15 and 236 she was
24:08strangled so that's obviously the same
24:10window Adnan needed to account for to
24:13quote Adnan my case lived and died in
24:15those 21
24:16minutes so where does itan say he was
24:20well maybe the library but nobody
24:22testify to that at trial then to track
24:24practice he does remember being at track
24:26one day when it was snowing which might
24:28have been that day the coach testified
24:30that Anan probably was there but he
24:31can't be 100% sure cuz as a rule he
24:33didn't take
24:34attendance after school is when his
24:36memories become
24:38non-specific usually we did this or we
24:40probably would have done that probably
24:42track practice would ended like I say
24:444:30 Jay did come to pick up Adan after
24:47track that part Adan seems to more or
24:48less remember it was Ramadan so Adnan
24:51would have been fasting all day and
24:52hungry it probably would have been close
24:54to time for me to break fast um he would
24:57have came and picked me up and we would
24:59have went to go get something to eat and
25:00we would have smok some weed after right
25:02and then I would have had to have gone
25:03uh been home by like around 7 8:00
25:07right or usually like the last 10 nights
25:10of Ramadan my father would spend a night
25:11at the mosque so a lot of times I would
25:13take him food other my mother would make
25:15food for him and I would take it like
25:17usually before 8:00 right because that's
25:18the last evening prayer did you ever
25:22leave the campus before the end of track
25:25practice did you
25:27ever okay
25:29no you're
25:31sure uh I want to say that I'm 99% sure
25:35okay the reason why I can't say 100 is
25:37because I mean I do kind of understand
25:39that it comes across as I don't know if
25:41it does or it doesn't but it seems like
25:42I remember things that are beneficial to
25:44me with things that aren't beneficial to
25:45me I can't remember it's just that I
25:47don't I don't really know what to say
25:49you know beyond the fact that a lot of
25:50the day that I do remember it's bits and
25:53pieces that comes from what other people
25:55have said you know that they remember
25:56right and they kind of JS my
25:59memory yeah I really know what to say
26:02and I completely understand how that
26:03comes across I mean the only thing I can
26:05say is man it was just a normal day to
26:07me there was absolutely nothing abnormal
26:09about that day to me aan knows better
26:11than anyone how unhelpful this all is
26:14how problematic because it plays both
26:16ways if he's innocent right it's any
26:18other day of course he doesn't remember
26:20but you can also read it as how
26:22convenient he doesn't remember the day
26:25so no one can fact check him or poke
26:26holes in his story because has no story
26:29and I definitely understand that someone
26:32could look at this and say oh man you
26:33know he must be lying it's so
26:34coincidental that he doesn't remember
26:36what he did at this particular time I
26:38mean I completely understand that and I
26:40get that that's you know like I said
26:42that's the you know the biggest the
26:43hardest thing I've dealt with for these
26:44past 15 years is that I don't if there
26:48there's nothing tangible I can do to
26:51remember that day it's the truth there's
26:53nothing I can do you know to Make Me
26:55Remember You know I poured through the
26:57trans scripts I've looked through the um
27:00telephone records um you know I mean
27:03this just what what else can I do
27:04there's nothing I can do so it's just
27:06you know perhaps I'll never be able to
27:08explain it and it is what it is if
27:10someone believes me or not you know I
27:12have no control over
27:18it adan's trial was a long ordeal Jay
27:21was on the stand for something like 5
27:23days a cell phone expert testified for 2
27:25days a lifetime when you're discussing
27:27cel to technology there were absences
27:30and some bad weather closed the courts
27:32so it was 6 weeks before both sides
27:34rested but the jury they moved like
27:36lightning after just a few hours
27:38including a lunch break they convicted a
27:41nan of first-degree
27:42murder Robbie a chalry was there in the
27:44courtroom when it happened she says his
27:46mother was crying she was crying Robia
27:49hadn't set through the whole trial so
27:51the first time she fully understood that
27:52the case came down to those 21 minutes
27:55was during closing arguments when the
27:57prosecutor brought out a dummy's head
27:58and strangled it in front of the jury
28:01that evening after the verdict Robbie
28:02went to see Adnan in lock up and so I
28:05went to go see him so this is the same
28:06day he's been convicted and this is the
28:08first time I actually had a conversation
28:09with him about you know what's going on
28:12and and I was like you know ad the whole
28:13thing is turning on these 20 25 minutes
28:16like you know where were you and he's
28:17like she disappeared in January you know
28:20in March you're asking me like where
28:21were you after school for 20 minutes on
28:23a specific day like no all the days are
28:25the same to me you know U he's but then
28:28he mentions that there was this one girl
28:31an alibi girl uh he's like the only
28:33thing um I could offer is he's like I
28:35remember he's like there's a girl I go
28:37to school with who uh her name is Asia
28:39mlan um he's like right after I got
28:41arrested she wrote me um a couple of
28:44letters and she said she also wanted to
28:46see my family and she said she
28:48specifically remembers me being um at
28:50the library at the public library right
28:52after school the woodon public library
28:54is just across the parking lot from
28:56woodon high school it's not techn part
28:58of the campus but it might as well be he
29:00said I gave those letters to Christina
29:02Gutierrez to my attorney he's like but
29:04you know apparently it didn't really
29:05check out so he's like I don't know so
29:07they're not helpful to us so this is the
29:10first time I heard of this girl um Asia
29:13mlan I had never heard of her before
29:14nobody had mentioned her before were you
29:16like floor like wait wait wait wait what
29:19I mean what like I wasn't Flor at the
29:21time because I thought I thought if he
29:24if this girl wrote and the attorney what
29:27criminal defense attorney is not going
29:28to check out a potential
29:30Alibi so I asked him I said do you have
29:32a copy of those letters he said yeah I
29:33have a copy I said send me a copy a nan
29:36sends the letters to Ria and here's what
29:37she reads the first letter the first of
29:40two is dated March 1st 1999 that is one
29:43day after Anan was arrested at the top
29:45of the letter she notes I just came from
29:47your house an hour ago dear Adan I hope
29:51I spelled it right I'm not sure if you
29:53remember talking to me in the library on
29:55January 13th but I remember chatting
29:57with you
29:58she says qu we aren't really close
30:00friends but I want you to look into my
30:02eyes and tell me of your innocence if I
30:04ever find otherwise I will hunt you down
30:06and whip your ass okay friend at the
30:08bottom she added a little note my
30:10boyfriend and his best friend remember
30:11seeing you there too that's letter
30:14number one then the next day on March
30:162nd she writes it on another letter this
30:18one's typed it's chattier she talks
30:20about the gossip in school the bits and
30:22pieces of evidence about the crime that
30:23are circulating what the students are
30:25saying what the teachers are saying
30:27about her visit to house quote your
30:29brothers are nice I don't think I Met
30:30Your Mother I think I met your dad does
30:32he have a big gray beard they gave me in
30:34Justin soda and Cake there's a whole
30:36bunch of people at your house I didn't
30:38know who they were I also didn't know
30:39that Muslims take their shoes off in the
30:41house thank God they didn't make me take
30:42mine off my stinky feet probably would
30:44have knocked everyone out cold why
30:46haven't you told anyone about talking to
30:48me in the library she asks him did you
30:50think it was unimportant you didn't
30:52think that I would remember or did you
30:54just totally forget
30:55yourself Adan says now that he does in
30:58fact remember seeing Asia in the library
31:00the thing he remembers about it is so
31:02high
31:03school Asia used to go out with a non's
31:05friend Justin and Justin had confided
31:07that Asia was a proper young lady in
31:10other words Justin wasn't getting any so
31:13Adan remembers thinking he would now get
31:14to tease Justin about seeing Asia with
31:16her new boyfriend maybe the new guy was
31:18getting lucky haha anyway Robia calls
31:22Asia up it's been a year since she wrote
31:24the letters but she agrees to meet and
31:25she told me uh that day after school I
31:29went to the LI public library and Adan
31:31was sitting at a computer checking email
31:33or something and I sat down next to him
31:34we started chatting and um Adon was a
31:37very popular boy in school he's handsome
31:39and you know popular with the ladies so
31:42she was speaking to him and her
31:43boyfriend shows up a little bit later
31:44with a friend and um she said her
31:47boyfriend was really angry at her cuz
31:48he's like why are you talking to him you
31:50know his high school kids you know why
31:51are you talking to him is he hitting on
31:53you um and she remembered very
31:55specifically that that day she went home
31:57with her she went to her boyfriend's
31:58house with him um and they got snowed in
32:02and that snowed really heavily that
32:03night and um she remembered that for the
32:06following two days school was closed so
32:09she had very specific details about um
32:11why she remembered that day Asia wrote
32:13out an affidavit on the spot in it she
32:16says she and aan spoke for about 15 to
32:1820 minutes while she was waiting for her
32:19boyfriend to give her a ride quote we
32:21left around 240 unquote remember he is
32:25supposed to be dead by
32:26236 and then the kicker no attorney has
32:30ever contacted me about January 13th
32:321999 and the above
32:35information so benefit of the doubt for
32:38a second maybe Adnan never actually
32:40showed the letters to Christina
32:41Gutierrez his attorney sure he said he
32:44did but who knows well I know deep
32:47inside gutierrez's notes on the case I
32:49have boxes and boxes of such stuff
32:51there's this in her handwriting Asia
32:54plus boyfriend saw him in library 215 to
32:5735 15 then there's another note dated
33:00July 13th it's more than 4 months after
33:03adan's arrest this is written by one of
33:05gutierrez's law clerks who visited Anan
33:07in jail quote Asia mlan saw him in the
33:10library at 3 Asia boyfriend saw him too
33:14Library may have
33:16cameras why oh why was this person never
33:19heard from a trial a solid non-crazy
33:22detail oriented Alibi witness in a case
33:24that so sorely needed Alibi Witnesses I
33:28can't ask Christina Gutierrez because
33:29she died in 2004 so I put that question
33:32to a few defense attorneys and they
33:34saidwell Alibi witnesses can be tricky
33:36especially if it's just one person
33:38because then it becomes one person's
33:39word over another a single witness like
33:41that can backfire under
33:42cross-examination or they might take the
33:44jury's Focus away from the weaknesses in
33:46the states case so there are conceivable
33:49strategic reasons why Christina
33:51Gutierrez might not have wanted to put
33:52Asia mlan on the stand but what is
33:55inconceivable they all said is to not
33:58ever contact Asia mlan to never make the
34:01call never check it out never find out
34:03if her story helps or hurts your case
34:05that makes no sense whatsoever that is
34:07not a strategy that is a [ __ ] up when I
34:11first heard about the long lost Asia
34:12letters and the lawyer mistake I thought
34:14well their fight is over right they've
34:16got an alibi witness who was never heard
34:18from it's such a slam dunk they're done
34:21ad non's Family hired a new attorney who
34:23filed a petition in court based on the
34:25Asia affidavit his argument was that
34:27anan's trial could have turned out
34:29differently if Gutierrez had checked out
34:31Asia's story and so Adan should get some
34:33form of what's called postconviction
34:36relief the new lawyer figures he'll get
34:38Asia to come to the hearing she'll vouch
34:39for her story by this time Asia had
34:42finished school and moved away he finds
34:43an address on the west coast tries
34:45calling sending messages nothing finally
34:48he writes a letter to her and gives it
34:49to a private investigator who goes out
34:51to Asia's house and hopes of delivering
34:53it Asia's fiance comes to the door opens
34:56it partway tells investigator that she
34:58cannot speak to Asia but that from what
35:01he knows of adnan's case Adnan is guilty
35:03and deserve the punishment he got later
35:05the investigator gets a call from the
35:07fiance we don't have to talk to you
35:09leave us
35:10alone so adan's lawyer calls off the
35:13search for Asia figuring once a witness
35:15turns on you like that it's too risky to
35:17keep pushing and then at anan's hearing
35:20on the new petition it comes out that
35:22Asia had done the very thing they
35:23dreaded Asia had called one of the
35:26prosecutors in a non's case a guy named
35:28Kevin urick and undermined her own
35:30statement this is from a recording of
35:32the hearing Mr urick is testifying on
35:34the witness stand how did you learn that
35:38the defendant this
35:40position a young lady named Asia called
35:44me and U what did she say she was
35:47concerned because she was being asked
35:49questions about an affidavit she'd
35:51written back at the time of the trial
35:53she told me that she'd only written it
35:55because she was getting pressure from
35:57the family and she basically wrote it to
35:59pleasee them and get them off her
36:01back it was it's I don't know what
36:04happened to her and why she would do
36:06this here's Robia again she says it's
36:09not true that Asia was bullied into
36:10writing that statement 15 years ago and
36:12she can't fathom why Asia would
36:14discredit her own statement like that I
36:15don't know why though they were the
36:17affidavit was written voluntarily I mean
36:20I I'm an attorney I'm a licensed
36:22attorney I work on homeland security ISS
36:24like I have no reason to make something
36:26like this up you know I didn't even know
36:28she existed until um until after the
36:32conviction so what do you think happened
36:34why why would they have this sort of
36:35violent reaction to helping out a na now
36:40I don't know uh it was just really odd
36:46so who knows what would have happened if
36:47Asia had shown up maybe it wouldn't have
36:49made a difference after all they had the
36:51original letters and the affidavit
36:53that's all that should have mattered but
36:55it didn't look good it'd be natural for
36:57the Jud to wonder why can't the defense
36:59produce this Asia person why is she
37:01making this call to a prosecutor I mean
37:04anyone would wonder I wondered I
37:06wondered if maybe she was pressured into
37:07writing that affidavit and I wondered if
37:09she was hiding something like maybe
37:11she'd lied in those 1999 letters maybe
37:14she didn't really see Adnan at the
37:16library that day and I just wanted to
37:17insert herself into something exciting
37:20and maybe now that she was grown up she
37:21wanted nothing to do with any of
37:23it so 3 4 months after I'd first sat
37:26down with Robia I'd be I'm fixated on
37:28finding Asia I'm like a blood hound on
37:30this thing because the whole case seemed
37:33to me to be teetering on her memories of
37:35that afternoon I have to know if Adnan
37:37really was in the library at 2:36 p.m.
37:41because if he was well Library equals
37:43innocent it's so maddeningly simple and
37:46maybe I can crack it if I can just talk
37:48to Asia I write her a long gentle
37:51pleading letter and send it off to an
37:52address I find online I'm calling people
37:55who know her or who I think might know
37:57her I'm checking the same Loop of
37:59Facebook my life LinkedIn sites over and
38:01over trolling for clues about where she
38:03might be or how she might think if
38:06you're wondering why I went so nuts on
38:07this story versus some other murder case
38:10the best I can explain is this is the
38:12one that came to me it wasn't halfway
38:14across the world or even next door it
38:17came right to my lap and if I could help
38:19get to the bottom of it shouldn't I
38:22try I start running down all the other
38:24information in Asia's 1999 letters
38:28she mentioned there were security
38:29cameras inside the Library so my
38:31producer and I went to see the very nice
38:33manager there Michelle ham was there a
38:35security system back in 99 that could
38:37have been checked at the time probably
38:40yes I'm going to say yes okay and what
38:43system was it I have no
38:45idea it was a old system so but you
38:49think probably video it was video okay
38:51and that was part of setup every morning
38:53you put a videotape in so that's and
38:55were you guys recycling the vide tapes
38:57yes okay I think it ran for you know a
39:00week so you had a Monday tape a Tuesday
39:02tape a Wednesday tape and so forth so so
39:05even if on the very day that Asia had
39:07written her first letter adan's lawyer
39:09had run out to find the security tape it
39:11probably would have been non-existent by
39:13then asked me but what about the
39:14computer Adnan was supposedly using to
39:16check his email um to use a computer did
39:19people have to sign in like write their
39:21name down they did and what was the
39:24system then um piece of paper and pencil
39:28and those by any chance weren't logged
39:30meticulously and kept for 15 years were
39:32they
39:34no bummer all right we got nothing then
39:39there was the mystery of Asia's
39:41boyfriend Derek and his friend Gerard
39:43all winter and spring every time I went
39:45to Baltimore I went to dereck's Mom's
39:47house looking for him and to Gerard's
39:49window tinting business and then finally
39:52all right so you are gerro Johnson yes I
39:54am you don't know how excited we are to
39:57be talking I've been looking for you for
39:58like four months you didn't do anything
40:01but we were hoping maybe you remembered
40:03this
40:04moment on January 13th
40:091999 do you H have any memory by any
40:14miracle that you went to woodlon public
40:19library branch near woodon high school
40:22to pick up Asia mlan with your friend
40:25Derek I have no idea de asiia mlan is
40:29that a person or a
40:32book it's a person no no recollection of
40:37it scratch Gerard Derek was my last hope
40:41eventually I caught him at home
40:42considering I woke him up he was
40:44exceedingly courteous he showed me a
40:46photo of asan him all dressed up they
40:48dated most of senior year what's up here
40:50this is our Senor PR yeah you guys both
40:53look really beautiful mhm yeah that's my
40:56uh that's Asia yeah but Derek couldn't
40:59remember that day either shocking I know
41:02he used to pick Asia up from school
41:04almost every day back then either from
41:05the library or from the front of the
41:07school and he says he spoke to a lot of
41:09her friends just to be polite and um
41:12it's uh it's very possible that um we I
41:15could have spoken to the gentleman and
41:16her on that day um but it's very hard to
41:20remember you know 15 years later but it
41:23it it sounds you know very uh it sounds
41:26like this definitely could have happened
41:28yeah I don't think AIA Asia's not the
41:29type of person that would lie just to
41:31you that's what I'm wondering she's
41:32definitely not that type of person you
41:34know to get involved with a lie you know
41:37she's not that type of person so she uh
41:41it it it seems pretty credible to
41:44[Music]
41:48me one day I get a call on my cell phone
41:51from a blocked number you guessed it
41:54Asia I wish I could say that my charming
41:57persuasive letter is what prompted Asia
41:59to call but the truth is she never got
42:01my letter I had the wrong address but
42:03she was calling because I'd followed up
42:04weeks later with a on line email and she
42:06was responding to that a little confused
42:09this is crazy
42:13um I mean I have a couple minutes if you
42:16want to chat about it I recorded our
42:19conversation on the cell which is why
42:21the sound quality is so bad sorry about
42:23that Asia is now a 33-year-old
42:25stay-at-home mother and she has not
42:27spent the last 15 years worrying about
42:29Adnan and whether he's guilty I trust
42:32the court systems to do their due
42:34diligence and I because I I mean I was
42:39never I was never questioned I was never
42:42informed of anything pertaining to the
42:45case I don't know why he was
42:48convicted Asia said she was spooked when
42:51the private investigator came to her
42:52house I don't know if that's why she
42:54didn't testify at the hearing or why she
42:56made the call to the process secutor but
42:57she told me that when she got the knock
42:59at the door that was not cool because to
43:02her if Adnan did do it the last thing
43:04you want is a murderer being pissed off
43:06at you knowing where you live but she
43:09had a remarkably clear memory of what
43:11happened on January 13th 1999 she had an
43:14internship at the time and so she got
43:16out of school much earlier than everyone
43:17else Derek was supposed to come get her
43:19at the library along with gerro but they
43:21were very late she rememb seeing Adnan
43:23come in after woodlon let out for the
43:25day ad came in and he sat at the table
43:28and like we weren't like really close
43:31friends or anything like that but you
43:33know um we I you know we knew each other
43:38and you know we just he chatted or
43:41whatever and I can't
43:45remember I think I must have asked him
43:48how he was doing or whatever and he said
43:50fine and you know he told me that him
43:52and hey I broke up and and I was like oh
43:56look that that's a and and I was like
43:58what happened and he was like oh well
44:01she was seeing this other guy some some
44:05white dude
44:07and you know but he was pretty chill
44:10about it he just he was just like you
44:13know well if you know she doesn't want
44:15to be with me then that's fine I you
44:17know I just wish the best for her and
44:19that kind of attitude and I'm not sure
44:22why Asia's memory of this interaction is
44:23so clear all these years later my best
44:26guess is that because she wrote it down
44:27at the time in those letters and then
44:29the affidavit that the details somehow
44:31stuck do you remember what time you were
44:34talking this would have happened in the
44:36library do you remember what time that
44:38conversation would have
44:43happened I don't because I know school
44:46let out around 2:15 so it was probably
44:50around
44:51230 cuz you had said you you got out of
44:54school earlier than other people so were
44:57you there were you at the library before
45:002:15 oh yeah I have been at the library
45:02for a few hours oh
45:04wow yeah I was pretty piss when Derek
45:07showed up and and and you know and he
45:10asked me who who Adon was and you know
45:13you know jealous teenager white language
45:17he's like you know who the hell is
45:19that and I said don't even start with me
45:21because you you know you're a few hours
45:23late don't worry about who that is you
45:26know
45:29I remember that day because that was the
45:32the um day that it snowed were there
45:37snow days after that do you
45:40remember I I want to say there was
45:42because that was I think that was like
45:44the first snow of the
45:47year I wouldn't have even remembered if
45:50it hadn't been for the snow and the
45:53whole you know I just remember being so
45:57pissed about Derek being late and then
46:00getting snowed in at his house and it
46:02was the first snow of that year the snow
46:05is important he disappeared on a
46:07Wednesday that night there was a huge
46:09ice storm which is unusual in Maryland
46:11it ended up being a state emergency and
46:13school was closed for the rest of the
46:15week Asia started asking me questions
46:17about the case wasn't there DNA evidence
46:20and what exactly was Jay's part in the
46:21whole thing she wasn't sure Adnan was
46:24guilty she said things I've now heard
46:26from from so many people since he seemed
46:29like he cared about hay he didn't seem
46:31angry or upset I thought there was more
46:33proof even that day it did you know I
46:36didn't walk away like oh I just started
46:39something you know what I mean yeah if
46:42you want to R his innocent off of his
46:44composure at that moment I would say
46:47he's innocent
46:48but I mean I'm 32 years old now and I
46:52know that you know there's people out
46:55there capable of hanging
46:57acts that can keep a calm demeanor you
47:00know yeah and I know that there are
47:03people who flip out on a moment's notice
47:06and do something that you know they
47:09regret for the rest of their Liv so I
47:12you know don't really yeah even now it
47:16would be nice if there was some
47:17technicality something that would prove
47:19his innocence great you know one less
47:23evil person I've met in my life you know
47:26but but I think I think Asia like you
47:29might be that technicality do you see
47:31what I mean like you're if you're saying
47:34you saw him on this day at that time
47:37that means the states timeline for their
47:40this whole their whole theory of the
47:42case doesn't make any
47:44sense it's a
47:46possibility because they're saying he
47:49was in the car with her at the very time
47:53that you're saying no I saw him at the
47:54library and we were talking do you know
47:57what I mean like that's exactly the
47:58window where they're saying she was
48:04murdered in case you couldn't hear that
48:06it was a sigh and I completely
48:09understand that sigh it's how I feel a
48:11lot of the time because I talk to it non
48:13regularly and he just doesn't seem like
48:16a
48:17[Music]
48:22murderer few minutes after I hung up
48:24with Asia Adnan called on schedule hey
48:27Sarah how you doing um I'm good I'm good
48:31um I so I was just talking to asiia
48:36mlan
48:39okay you don't sound very
48:43excited I had a well I mean I really you
48:48know this was not the reaction I
48:50expected I felt like I just interviewed
48:52an ivory build woodpecker but when I
48:55told a nonan what Asia remembered
48:57instead of being excited a non said it
48:59was heartbreaking I mean on a personal
49:01level I'm happy because in a sense it's
49:05you know that I'm not making this up and
49:07at least it's nothing else and kind of
49:08like at least someone other than Ria
49:11knows that you know this did take place
49:14anything that can kind of support what
49:15I'm saying to be the truth that I didn't
49:17do this is great but from a legal
49:20perspective it's like I wish she would
49:21have came to this realization maybe like
49:24a year and a half ago you know what I
49:25mean because it's kind of like you
49:28know I mean it's too
49:31late I'm sorry I mean I I definitely
49:34appreciate it you know I definitely kind
49:36of hear the Elation of your voice but
49:37now I feel like I punctured your balloon
49:39no no I mean I I see I totally I see I
49:42see what you're saying I I hadn't
49:43thought about it in that
49:48way when I told Robbie I'd talk to Asia
49:51she immediately burst into tears because
49:53they were all correct it was too late
49:56the Jud ruled on ad Nan's petition a few
49:58weeks before I spoke to Asia denied the
50:01judge wrote in his opinion that
50:03Christina gz's decision not to use Asia
50:05mlan as an alibi witness was strategic
50:09after all Asia's original letters didn't
50:11specify an exact time and Gutierrez
50:13could have reasonably concluded that
50:15Asia was offering to lie in order to
50:17help Anan and finally he wrote Asia's
50:20letter contradicted adan's own Alibi
50:22Asia said she saw him at the public
50:24library but Adnan said he was on the
50:26school camp the whole afternoon maybe
50:28the judge didn't understand that
50:30Woodland library is basically part of
50:31the campus but
50:33anyway Asia's story then is legally
50:36worthless a witness who says she saw you
50:39at the exact moment when the state
50:41contends you were strangling a young
50:42woman in a car is
50:45worthless a few days after I spoke to
50:47Asia she wrote me an email I've been
50:50thinking a lot about Adnan she wrote all
50:52this time I thought the courts proved it
50:53was Adnan that killed her I thought he
50:55was where he deserved to be now I'm not
50:58so sure hey was our friend too and it
51:00sucks feeling like you don't know who
51:02really killed your friend hey was the
51:04sweetest person ever if he didn't kill
51:06hay we owe it to him to try to make that
51:08clear and if he did kill her then we
51:11need to put this to rest I just hope
51:13that Anan isn't some sick bastard just
51:15trying to manipulate his way out of jail
51:18I wrote back believe me I'm on exactly
51:22the same
51:25page
51:27[Laughter]
51:30coming up this season on
51:31cereal I think that there are other
51:34people involved like maybe I think maybe
51:36he was set up I think he was set up
51:37somehow clearly you could tell something
51:40was going on that wasn't good I mean it
51:42was just strange behavior for anybody
51:44basically threaten me like you know what
51:46happened to hey this is what's going to
51:47happen to you that's how I felt that day
51:50what are you thinking right now you have
51:51the same smile I do I'm literally
51:53thinking like could like could he have
51:55gone crazy
51:57Jay told me he was being blackmailed by
51:59adnot cuz adnot knew that Jay couldn't
52:02go to the police like if this works and
52:04he I mean every question we've had for
52:07the past 8 months he knows it yeah I
52:13mean who else did it you know there's
52:15like running out of
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